Snowe: Quimby’s ‘welfare state’ comments do not reflect reality of Maine

Roxanne Quimby during a public meeting at the Northern Maine Timber Cruisers snowmobile club in Millinocket in May 2011.
Roxanne Quimby during a public meeting at the Northern Maine Timber Cruisers snowmobile club in Millinocket in May 2011. Buy Photo
Posted Oct. 11, 2011, at 2:06 p.m.
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Environmentalist Roxanne Quimby’s recent statements calling Maine “a welfare state” that has a large population of obese and elderly people “do not reflect the reality and true nature of Maine,” U.S. Sen. Olympia Snowe said Tuesday.

Responding to comments by Quimby published at forbes.com last week, Snowe said through a spokesman that she opposes a National Park Service feasibility study of Quimby’s plan to give the service 70,000 acres she owns adjoining Baxter State Park for a new national park. The senator also reiterated her opposition to a park.

“Mainers have a legendary work ethic and the skills and commitment to get the job done,” Snowe said in a separate statement. “Just consider how the Maine workers at Kittery-Portsmouth Naval Shipyard and the DFAS [Defense Finance and Accounting Service] center in Limestone saved their facilities by making them into the gold standard for innovation and efficiency, and how Bath-built ships are renowned in the Navy for their unparalleled quality.”

In the forbes.com interview, Quimby criticized Mainers for not supporting her plan to give her land to the federal government in 2016. But Snowe said Mainers possess “a can-do spirit that is unmatched.”

The successes of shipyard workers and DFAS employees “are but a sampling of the myriad examples that underscore the deep dedication of Mainers,” Snowe said.

In the interview, Quimby said Mainers remain committed to a forest products industry and a small group of tight-knit landowners who have “aggressively harvested those forests for the last hundred years to the point where the mills in the area have been unable to stay competitive.”

“A hundred years later, there isn’t enough to make a living. They’ve all fragmented … sold off rights and easements … just to stay alive. But they still have not accepted that the old paradigm isn’t working,” Quimby said. “They’re in complete denial.”

“We have the most aged population in the country. … I believe we have one of the highest adult obesity rates in New England,” Quimby added. “We have… oxycontin abuse… [and] Maine’s the largest net receiver of Federal funds, even though we supposedly hate the Feds … it’s a welfare state.”

In her statement Tuesday, Snowe said she has “long believed that Maine, not the federal government, should be firmly in control over land-use policies for our hunters, fishermen and forest-based economy” and that a federal park “would cause a region of the state to be dictated by decisions made unilaterally in Washington.”

“Ultimately, it is up to the local people of the region whether the idea for a park is embraced,” Snowe said.

A feasibility study, Snowe added through a spokesman, would be a misdirection.

“A feasibility study is not an assessment of whether a federal park is best for the region’s economy and community, but rather whether this land is suitable to be a part of the National Park System,” the spokesman said. “The focus now should be on assessing how we grow the Katahdin region’s economy and increase jobs, not for Washington bureaucrats to assess whether the land tract is suitable to be” a national park.

Fellow Republican U.S. Sen. Susan Collins said she too had misgivings about creating more federal land management in Maine. According to her communications director, Kevin Kelley, Collins “believes a new national park in northern Maine would likely spell the end to the working forest that has provided thousands of good jobs.”

“She has always believed that the real opportunity for conserving and maintaining lands for outdoor recreation such as fishing, hiking, hunting, paddling and snowmobiling is in working closely with private landowners,” Kelley said.

At least one of the senators would have to agree to a feasibility study, which also would require congressional approval.

Quimby has an unlisted telephone number and did not respond to an email request for comment. In an apparently automated response to an email sent to her Tuesday, Quimby said she would be away until Oct. 17 and was “unable to read your message.”

Meanwhile Tuesday, a group called the Friends of Baxter State Park announced its support of a feasibility study. Also, Brownville Snowmobile Club President Dave Ramsey said members voted during a club meeting last week that they would not write letters of support for a feasibility study, as Quimby requested, until the snowmobile trails they groom and use on Quimby’s land were permanently deeded for snowmobile use.

Ralph Pope, a member of the Friends of Baxter State Park board of directors, said having “a conservation buffer” to Baxter would be beneficial to the state park, and Brownville club President Dave Ramsey said his club would not support a park feasibility study unless the trails on Quimby’s land were deeded permanently for snowmobile use.

“We feel that there may be strong benefits for the region, and for Baxter State Park,” Pope said in a statement. “A conservation buffer on any border of BSP has great potential benefit, and the creation of this National Park on the Park’s eastern boundary is likely to provide a major ecological and social buffer protecting the wilderness character of BSP.”

Brownville club members sought a permanent deeding in response to an offer from Quimby of five years of club use on her trails in exchange for letters of support for a study and for a park. That came as part of an effort that some clubs felt was coercive, as it at least implied that access to the trails would be denied unless clubs would support Quimby’s initiatives.

“Ms. Quimby has stated that ‘only through permanently deeded trails can the economic stability of the small businesses near them be guaranteed.’ We recognize that also. And that is all we ask,” Ramsey said in a statement. “We also feel that threatening our membership with trail closure in order to secure support for Ms. Quimby’s goal is an improper tactic during these trying economic times.”

Park proponents believe that the park could provide economic benefits to its neighboring communities and the state, while proponents of a study maintain that it would be the best way of determining whether the land would make a good park.

Park opponents resist extending national authority over the proposed park land and believe that a feasibility study is unnecessary because they don’t support a park and that a study would be biased in favor of one.

CORRECTION:

An earlier version of this story said the Brownville Snowmobile Club opposed a feasibility study of Roxanne Quimby's proposed national park. Club President Dave Ramsey said members voted during a club meeting last week that they would not write letters of support for a feasibility study, as Quimby requested, until the snowmobile trails they groom and use on Quimby's land were permanently deeded for snowmobile use.

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  • Anonymous

    Ban Roxanne

  • poormaniac

    BAN ROXANNE !

  • Anonymous

    Roxanne has lied about her park, blackmailed snowmobile clubs, bought Obama & Ken Salazar, called Mainers old fat welfare cases—- and yet,,,, she can’t see why people loath the very mention of her name….

    Take the hint Roxanne, Leave Maine…!

     

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  • Anonymous

    Quimby is giving land to the people of Maine, which in perpetuity will provide job security, and tourism  while preserving Maine’s heritage.  This is an absolutely wonderful deal for the people of Maine–and yet a vocal minority keeps railing against the idea. 

    Have any of you people saying “Ban Roxanne” got anything deeper or more intelligent to say?  Do you ever wonder how much worse things will be for you if she turns it over to a private conservation organization with an extreme liberal agenda? 

  • Anonymous

    She is “giving” it to the federal government, not the people of Maine. If she cared about the people of Maine, she would keep it and make it into her own recreational park that would be funded by her. That is caring and giving. Threatening, blackmailing, and extorting are not giving, and talking trash about Maine and Mainers is not caring. 

  • Anonymous

    This is an evil woman Its all lies about it being only 61,000 acres they park supporters can not be trusted and her last statement shows the arrogance of these people. Ban Roxanne !

  • Anonymous

    Crazy Woman!! If she wouldn’t have the money to do what she is doing to Maine Land and its People how far would she push it!! NOT FAR!!!

  • Anonymous

    If she didn’t care about the people of Maine, she could make things far worse for us.  Here’s this person with all this land, doing something productive and positive, and all you can do is vilify her. 

    This is a great deal — jobs in perpetuity.  Preservation of a very valuable and special part of  Maine, in perpetuity.  It really doesn’t matter if Quimby is a devil or an angel–what’s important are the reasonable arguments for and against the Park. 

    You want to hand it all over to timber companies and paper mills?  Do you think they will protect the land’s beauty?  They’ll fire all their workers as soon as they are expendable.

    A National Park is a permanent source of jobs and beauty.

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t you try presenting an argument.  Some rational evidence, maybe.  As it is, you sound like a ranter in a mob.
     

  • Anonymous

    her comments last week confirmed she is a classic limo liberal that thinks we are are all fat, stupid and looking for handouts.. she is different than a liberal politician because she says what she thinks and does not lie about her motives.she is wealthy and can do and say what she wants….now that people see what she really thinks, hopefully they can see thru the left wing politicians who think they have to manage and control our lives cause they have their nest egg and really don’t care about others… it is too bad she cannot channel her giving into other productive things instead of hoarding land .

  • Anonymous

    Good one Brownville.  I’ll be interested in how she handles her own words.

  • Anonymous

      Just where do you think the money for the staff, maintainance and management for this “park” will come from. TAXES!! From the taxes that I pay to the government out of what I work hard to earn. This just makes for bigger government, something that this country really can’t afford.

      Roxanne has been quoted as saying” this is the first step towards turning the Northwestern part of Maine into a federal park”.

      What happens to all the jobs in the lumber industry when that happens. Her agenda is not that of a truely generous and caring person. Look at her record in the not so distant past. As my mother would say” A leopard can’t change it’s spots.

  • Anonymous

    And ,might I add Ms. Quimby, your chances of getting a seat at the big table with a guy like Baxter are dwindling at a pretty good clip.  Looks like the card table with the kids is the best you’re gonna do.

  • Anonymous

    Roxanne Quimby states she is attempting to get a federal park going in northern Maine to promote economic development.  She had (according to her) 45 ladies employed in the Guilford area and grew the business to approximately 3 million dollars a year.  Then she packed it up lock, stock and barrel and moved to North Carolina.  That apparently in her mind made better economic sense for jobs and other spin off economic growth in North Carolina, when she loves Maine and its people.  Talk about tone deaf people. In addition the federal park is to protect Maine environment (the Maine woods) when a recent report from the Sewall Company states there are more trees now then ever before and there is extremely little chance they will all be harvested.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ESPPGEF27Q2SKPSY7DQSNXHWPA SWEETSAL
  • Anonymous

    The National Park that Ms. Quimby is proposing to give to our State & Country is one of the most generous gifts since Baxter gave us the State Park.  I am absolutely supportive of this plan and will happily be part of making it a reality.  Thank you Ms. Quimby!!!

  • Anonymous

    Somebody should probably tell the Brownville Snowmobile club that they don’t have 10% of the clout that they think they have.  If you guys want guaranteed access to land on which you can ride your toys around, you should pool your money and buy some land.  Ms. Quimby owes you nothing.

  • Anonymous

    Well considering this is all ex timber and paper land I would say they protected the beauty quite well, in fact more so than Roxy. People had the ability and access for recreation, camps, 4 wheel, and snowmobile, as well as hunt and fish. Quimby takes these things away from Mainers, maybe not all right now or at once, but eventually. Now people have lost recreational uses from this land, hardly preserving it for Mainers to enjoy. Maybe some Northern Massachusetts Mainers, but not all as the paper and timber companies ensured. 

    As far as money from a national park… we already have Baxter, I wouldn’t expect more people to start coming to a national Baxter jr.

  • Anonymous

    You should stay in Bangor !!

  • Anonymous

    This newspaper is full of dismal news about the contraction of the economy and subsequent loss of jobs afflicting the State and still opposition to a positive  proposal that  likely will alleviate some of this long term loss is excoriated and castigated with undiminished fury. I confess I don’t understand how shooting yourself in the foot will make this this dismal situation bettter.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Fan of Roxanne.

  • kkmousse

    I agree,  Quimby has a different gaol then helping Maine people prospers. She wants them all gone so that the Unpopulated Maine can florish .

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    What did the conglomerates leave you? Unemployment, rusty non modernized mills, no deer yards, slashpiles, peckerpole jungles, miles of whips, and a stubborn mind set that thinks the world will return to the past when the gift horse is trying real hard to give something to the local economy. Lies come from the Mary Adams freakshow concerning the proposal; the stubborn self destruction is of epic proportion.
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Crazy woman? What adjective to you apply to all those corporate boardroom members from the evil away who plotted perfectly for profit, abandoned modernization, and flushed all you Quimby haters down the toilet?

  • Anonymous

    I want to snowmobile on your private property forever, for free. Equals. Handout.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Must have took a while to count all those peckerpoles and whips.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    You should think.

  • Anonymous

    You have personnal issues with your presumptio0ns and are blaming Ms. Quimby for your anger.  How about some substantive criticism instead of comming on like an irate drunk?

  • kkmousse

    read her fine print!  She is not really out to help the people.

  • Anonymous

    Cecil, I like the coherent comments you post.  I’ve never seen you resort to vituperation and anger.   I respect you for your well thought out comments.  I wish other posters would emulate you.  :-)

  • Anonymous

    Prior to her recent dump on all Mainers I was kind of neutral on her. No more. She is a liar and thinks she is better than everyone else. I wouldn’t trust her as far as I can spit. Take a hike, Roxy!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the link. It’s hard to even find anything controversial in her comments when they are read in context. It’s sad that so many vocal citizens of northern Maine want to pigeonhole themselves and their towns as only compatible with paper mills and snowmobiling. Northern Maine is one of the least diverse places in the country and it is hard to understand why so many people want to keep it that way.

  • Anonymous

    Umm, conservative people on this board call Mainers fat, stupid and looking for handouts every single day. It is usually the liberal minded people speaking up for those in our society who need help.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s the argument:  a Park provides economic security and jobs in perpetuity, bringing tourism and preserving a vastly beautiful area, which will become even more beautiful over time. 

    There is no good alternative for jobs in the region.  Paper is on its way out–look at the Verso closing in Bucksport.  

    The jobs brought include federal jobs, tourism based jobs and support jobs — like electricians and carpenters to repair and maintain businesses.

    These are good jobs protecting Maine’s environment.  And the cost will be spread out over the whole United States, because it’s a federal park.  A GREAT deal for the people of Maine.

  • Anonymous

    National Parks are popular destinations for Americans and for foreign tourists.  I’m sorry about losing your 4 wheel and snowmobile in the Park area, but honestly you can still camp, hike and do other things your ancestors did for hundreds of years before gasoline.  Not only that, the price of the Park is paid for by all citizens of the United States, not just Mainers.

  • Anonymous

    The cost of the park is spread out over the entire United States, not just Mainers paying for it.  If the whole NW becomes a Park, there should be all kinds of jobs available–permanent secure ones with benefits, plus tourism-based jobs like restaurants.

    Honestly, I don’t think the whole NW is going to become a Park.  Seriously …

    We’re taking secure jobs in perpetuity that preserve a beautiful area that will only get more beautiful and rare as humanity keeps gobbling and destroying its resources.

  • Anonymous

    We need this park.  It will be good for Maine.  Thank you for your generosity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Hosebeast/100002095287763 Regina Hosebeast

    I think the folks of the Millinocket area are making a grave error in not at least exploring the economic potential of a National Park. Once again, you are putting all your eggs in one basket. Where will you be if the mills fail (again) in a few years? Back to square one (again).

    However, looking at the economic nightmare this country is enduring right now, I would hope the Feds would have the good sense not to dump any funding into a new National Park feasibility study. There are countless things more important now than another National Park.

  • Anonymous

    P_Dizzle, You act like responable adult ,let me use your land, then we will talk…Just going by your post, I know that won’t happen. She is willing to post and gate land that has been free for decades to thousands. Now we can not use it. Come to my neck of the woods and I’ll take you by the hand and show what has been taken from us. Some of these woods were free to use by landowners that showed the same repect we did…..Jump off your stump, or go back to boston….

  • Anonymous

    Ban the town council. They are anti business for Millinocket

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JMMAV2NKMREUGHDGAA3TGDCEAY rocklandborn

    Significant numbers of tourists are not going to flock to Maine to walk around the wilds of Maine.  Giving the land over to the state is great; however, in the long run it will only be a drain on the Maine budget and will only benefit an extremely small number of people in the way of employment and ultimately offer little to the overall economy of Maine.  

  • Anonymous

    You can’t really believe anything you write do you?

    I mean honestly, jobs in perpetuity???? Good jobs??? At $7/ hour????

    It’s mind numbing how shortsighted your are.

    BAN ROXANNE!!

  • Anonymous

    If Baxter can barely attract mainers why would a “national” park attract anyone else?

  • Anonymous

    You can’t hunt/fish/snowmobile/ATV/drink beer/or go skinny dipping in a NP.

    Doesn’t sound like such a great destination to me!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JMMAV2NKMREUGHDGAA3TGDCEAY rocklandborn

    Rather than the Maine budget I should have made reference to the national budget seeing as it will be national park land — which by the way, the national park system is slowly going broke and that means more of our tax dollars will need to be diverted to the park system.

  • Anonymous

    You should enter the 21st century! Lots of luck to you!

  • Anonymous

    Horrah!

  • Anonymous

    Let me see.

    A job in the mill that pays $22/hr or a job waiting tables or selling trinkets that pays $7/hr.

    Your argument is falling short. You better have something better to sell than trinket jobs.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JMMAV2NKMREUGHDGAA3TGDCEAY rocklandborn

    Well it would appear that the lumber industry will have to move back over the border into Canada — everything else is leaving so why not the lumber industry.  Perhaps we should consider turning all of central and northwestern and northeastern Maine into nothing but park land!

  • Anonymous

    We are all mostly fat, looking for “federal” relief at every turn…too bad only that she misspoke…her intentions, nor her frustration at the irrational opposition she has encountered, are pure.

  • Anonymous

    As usual, just stirring the pot. Nobody in their right mind would support this park.

    Keep it up, you’re doing a good job though.

  • Anonymous

    We’ve got the mills right now. If they fail, then maybe we’ll look at the park.

    Quimby won’t be letting her land go anytime soon.

  • Anonymous

    Sewall, by the way, is also the principal strategist and advisor for Quimby.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not for or against this park, i’m still quite uninformed,  and it was good to read some of her words.  But,  this was a very biased article.  Guess i’m still on the fence.

  • Anonymous

    Haven’t you heard the country is broke . The last thing we need right now is another national park to pay for.

  • Anonymous

    (Not that I matter.)

  • Anonymous

    We dont need more parks that take land off the tax rolls and less wood supply to support peoples needs, here in Maine it means we the people lose the resources that now belong to us and places more restrictions and access nothing good having the Feds in our back yard!!

  • Anonymous

    Maybe  in a few years,  when there is no money left for the upkeep of a park,  the sportsmen will get the land back through lack of enforcement.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think calling Mainers basically ”fat welfare cases” was well thought out or intelligent. How about this: according to healthymainepartnerships.org, the obesity rate in Maine just mirrors the national average. Obesity by county doesn’t show the katahdin region to be any different than anywhere else. Maine is also not in the top ten states for being rated as the poorest. The Katahdin region has for decades until more recently had among the highest standard of living in Maine. OK, industry is down here and nationally-but do you think trinket selling jobs are going to allow any decent standard of living? My guess is that the only people that might consider going to a national park that has nothing distinct would be the overflow from Baxter State Park. The less threatening thing to do would be to give it to the state of Maine to add to Baxter state park. This is all about her and her legacy, and she knows it. Just too bad she has such a lack of class. I don’t hear anything intelligent coming out of her.

  • Anonymous

    Can we get another picture of Roxy?
    This one is gettin’ old.

  • AionNV

    It was never yours to begin with, your use of it was a favor granted to you by the former owner.

    25 years ago we treated these trails with respect, I don’t blame her one bit for closing trails, I’ve seen how people with ATV’s just tear stuff up with no regard.

  • AionNV

    Baxter doesn’t cost the state a penny.  Why does this land need to cost anyone anything ?

    Do you have any actual figures, so far as all these jobs you imagine a federally operated park is going to somehow magically create ?

  • Anonymous

    No kidding!

  • Anonymous

    Wait Girl!! Who do you think was the former owner??? And please be specific when you start babbling about who was here first….Your god??? My god?? Or the people that journeyed across the Bering straits….If your road that you use is bumpy, deal with it!!! you’re the one that drives on it and makes it hard to maintain!!!

  • Anonymous

    What?

  • Anonymous

    You NEVER owned it or had any claim to it! Get that straight! The “man” owned it, sold it, and now you can’t go there no more! Understand?

  • Anonymous

    Right on, brother!

  • Anonymous

    Wunnerful, wunnerful, wunnerful! Right to the bulls eye! You nailed it!

  • Anonymous

    Damn good idea for all of humanity!

  • Anonymous

    Dude! Do you have any other transferable skills? Could you own your own business? Milk those stupid tourists out of thousands of bucks a year? Go to Florida in the off-season? You could be hiring all of those $7/hr seasonal people. Think about it…all winter when you are still out of work and only the “good guys” get hired back at the mill.

  • Anonymous

    LOL!!! Yeah!!! The Dolby landfill!!! Then the moved it to bangor, called it divas, then closed it down!!! Must be progress, Huh??

  • Anonymous

    And ignorant rednecks.

  • Anonymous

    Roxanne should have left that stuff out.

    But damn! I feel so much better after reading and commenting on this stimulating article by Sambides… I’ll sleep better tonight! Thanks for all of the stimulation!

  • Anonymous

    I am not for or against a NP at this time, but if it were to pass, would Baxter be swallowed up into the National Park?  I feel the only way to make this a “real” park would be to have a crown jewel such as Baxter and Katahdin.  Other then that I am not sure what the draw is to this proposed NP?  I mean the area she has bought is for the most part flat and lacks any real draw such as large mountains, massive rivers, gorges, hot springs, waterfalls, etc.  Am I wrong on this?  Are there some nice natural features?  Seems to me this would work better as a National Forest rather then a Park.  Heck, White Mountain National Forest seems to have worked out well, and that area has some real tourist trap features.

  • Anonymous

    I think you need to reflect on just who is being shortsighted.

  • Anonymous

    Ban Rednecks

  • Anonymous

      “The cost is spread out over the entire United States.” And that makes it OK for you? Let’s just keep adding a few more dollars here and a few more there and before you know it we ALL are spending more than we can afford.

      I take it you are not an accounting major.

      ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!

  • Anonymous

    …….whining only has one “n”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LKQ4IGJDRLL2GCWJUF4VVGCXVY Becca

    QUESTION FOR THE MASSES:  Of all the people who like to comment on the dealings going on in the Millinocket/East Millinocket area, how many of you actually live up there? I grew up in that area and you can not tell me that just because someone wants to make a national park in that area that it is going to bring in the huge amounts of tourists that say Acadia does or any other national park. Look at what hunting season brings in or say how many people go to northern maine in the winter. For someone who grew up in that area and still have family there, trust me this park isnt going to make a great change to the area. You want to make change, get the mills restarted and get jobs going.

  • Anonymous

    You are making the false assumption that there will be a mill, and that if there is, it will pay what it paid years ago.  Have you not forgotten what things looked like 3 months ago?  Or what things look like in Bucksport?  Or what is about to be announced in Madawaska?   Are you capable of learning anything?   A National Park is your only ticket out.

  • Anonymous

    Actually – I intend to, until there is a National Park and then I’ll be there.  If you are smart, you’ll figure out a way to take some of the money that I will spend there.  If you’re not, you’ll keep all of your eggs in the paper mill basket.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t care how you live in the woods.  In fact I don’t care where you live or how you live at all.  But I’m still going to do everything that I can to help the people who are going to put a National park there.

  • Anonymous

    I wouln’t expect any less from someone that would put a “Do not walk on my grass” sign…I’ll still post mine with a sign that reads: ” You can use my land, But if you gate yours,get off mine!!” You and roxanne have the same ego….Sorry about that……You can still ride your bike on my land…

  • Anonymous

    Funny how the media wags the dog, huh??

  • Anonymous

    The Fact is tha the Federal government does not have the resources to take care of the parks they have now. No proof that a park would give any economic security. Fact we loose the tax (although she pays little) And a park is not a good alternative. We will loose forest land that they want to preserve, and  don’t be fooled that it will be just her 61,000 acrews.

  • Anonymous

    Why because they will not bow down like Medway before the all knowing Roxanne Quimby.

  • Anonymous

    Hear, hear! darn rednecks
     

  • Jollyroger

    It’s tough to look in the mirror and realize we’re old and we’re fat. The truth hurts.

  • Anonymous

    She is giving the land to the Federal Govenment.  And yes, we have been following her for almost 20 years, and she has not changed her tune. Other than to get a few converts mesmmorized by her.

  • Anonymous

    Get a new line. In NO WAY can you compare her to Baxter.

  • Anonymous

    The Feds have no money now

  • Anonymous

    According to their theory it will bring HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS flocking to a national park at the end of the road?

  • Anonymous

    Your right, they can for 5 years if they meet her  extortion demands and support her LOL

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t you turn  southern Maine into a park and leave northern Maine alone?

  • Anonymous

    The Federal Government cannot even afford to run what they have… How are they going to afford another Park… Raise taxes more on us working people so there can be a gamble on what a park my do for the State… The last thing we need is the Federal Government taking more control of this state!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    How have you determined who is the majority or the minority???? Last I knew Snowe and Collins were against a Park.. so the people who oppose the Park are the Minority.. You must know alot more than most I guess?????

  • Shiretowner

    thesaurus user.

  • Shiretowner

    Please list your “all kinds of jobs available–permanent secure ones with benefits” Give me statistics and an economic projection that supports your claim. Then tell me who will be filling those jobs. Northern mainers? or out of staters/southern mainers? Just curious.

  • Anonymous

    Typical Republican: “I’m going to agree with Snowe this time, but only because she is right off my opposition. Otherwise, she is a RHINO with a bad dye job and stuff.”

  • Anonymous

    She grew up with out a pot to p in or a window to throw it out, she falls into money and turns in to a snob, bashing us  in Forbes because those ignorant Mainers will never read Forbes,thats above them.(I read it before it even hit the BDN)Hey Roxy you aint gettin your NP because you aint gettin support from either of our senators which is a requirment !! Love it!! Go Snowe and Collins. Take a hike Roxy.

  • Anonymous

    Do you really understand that Gov. Baxter gave this to MAINE PEOPLE?? You say bangorian, but you act flat….spend your time on stillwater, when it was all fields……Walk towards the brooks that used to feed the Kenduskeag..I remember when outer broadway was out of town…….Do you??? Your little rants are still here, but the bangor daily censors took out mine.And I realize now there is no sense in trying to find anyone from your area that can fathom the loss we are taking…….why would you???yours is already gone… 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

    I am by no means a RQ supporter. That said while many of us work hard pay our own way there is a huge amount of folks mooching off the gov. This state has great welfare people come here for exactly that reason. This state gives free money like water comming over the falls. Food stamps, housing, insurance, home repaires, day care, oil, car reapir, doors and windows, insulation, refirdgators and many many more. These are all provided by those of us who work hard pay our bills and sometimes go without to do so. All the while there are places like Washington Hancock community agency who’s sole reason for being is to find people to give things to who do nto work for them. I am not talking about those who NEED help. I am talking about those who refuse to work but could. Lets look at Machias there are whole appt complexes dedacated to house those who will not support there own life. All the while rising properity taxes and  oil costs are making those who worked there whole life and now live on a budget are loosing there homes but cant get help. Those who do nothing get things handed to them all day. This is reality in Maine. Anybody who says Maine is not a welfare state has not looked around and is living somewhere other then reality. When The state house gets rid of the programs and implments a welfare to work program then they can talk. Washington county had a ton of openings for blueberry rakers but not many takers? Expain that Colling and Snow!!

  • Anonymous

    Who’s going to come to Millinocket to visit a national park?  It doesn’t make any business sense!  I’m sure that Maine businesses will sell a lot more bug dope than they do now, but I don’t see the Northern Maine woods as being attractive to many people as a great place to visit.  I think that Quimby is blowing a ton of her money in buying this land, and is only serving to upset Maine sportsmen, loggers, and snowmobilers for limiting their use of this area.

  • Anonymous

    No one will visit it.  Sorry.

  • Anonymous

    You’re probably the only one who will visit the park, if it ever materializes.  Once people experience the black flies and mosquitoes, they’ll head on down to Acadia.

  • Anonymous

    This land should be used for logging, hunting, and snowmobiling!  Wasting money on creating a national park will ultimately prove to be a poor decision.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Explain how starting and growing a successful business is falling into money?

  • Anonymous

    Your assessment might be right, but there’s already a park in that part of the state. Why add on to it and take away land for private use forever? Besides, there’s a lot of local opposition to the park concept.

  • Anonymous

    Go Roxanne, keep at it. Your doing the right thing.

  • Anonymous

    Ban an idea if you will. But please don’t ban people simply because you disagree with them. There’s more than enough hatred to go around these days to start a full-scale war.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KOT6D3WPE37NQ6XY733XX355BQ E A

    She bought a bunch of land so she could call the shots. Did she buy the land because she loves Maine and the culture? I think not. This is about power and control. I think ….maybe she suffers from SDS. 

  • Anonymous

    Snowe: Quimby statements do not reflect reality of Maine
    Gabor Degre | BDN
    Roxanne Quimby during a public meeting at the Northern Maine Timber Cruisers snowmobile club in Millinocket in May 2011. Buy Photo
    By Nick Sambides Jr., BDN Staff Posted Oct. 11, 2011, at 2:06 p.m.Last modified Oct. 11, 2011, at 8:03 p.m.

    Environmentalist Roxanne Quimby’s recent statements calling Maine “a welfare state” that has a large population of obese and elderly people “do not reflect the reality and true nature of Maine,” U.S. Sen. Olympia Snowe said Tuesday.
    Responding to comments by Quimby published at forbes.com last week, Snowe said through a spokesman that she opposes a National Park Service feasibility study of Quimby’s plan to give the service 70,000 acres she owns adjoining Baxter State Park for a new national park. The senator also reiterated her opposition to a park.
    “Mainers have a legendary work ethic and the skills and commitment to get the job done,” Snowe said in a separate statement. “Just consider how the Maine workers at Kittery-Portsmouth Naval Shipyard and the DFAS [Defense Finance and Accounting Service] center in Limestone saved their facilities by making them into the gold standard for innovation and efficiency, and how Bath-built ships are renowned in the Navy for their unparalleled quality.”
    In the forbes.com interview, Quimby criticized Mainers for not supporting her plan to give her land to the federal government in 2016. But Snowe said Mainers possess “a can-do spirit that is unmatched.”
    The successes of shipyard workers and DFAS employees “are but a sampling of the myriad examples that underscore the deep dedication of Mainers,” Snowe said.
    In the interview, Quimby said Mainers remain committed to a forest products industry and a small group of tight-knit landowners who have “aggressively harvested those forests for the last hundred years to the point where the mills in the area have been unable to stay competitive.”
    “A hundred years later, there isn’t enough to make a living. They’ve all fragmented … sold off rights and easements … just to stay alive. But they still have not accepted that the old paradigm isn’t working,” Quimby said. “They’re in complete denial.”
    “We have the most aged population in the country. … I believe we have one of the highest adult obesity rates in New England,” Quimby added. “We have… oxycontin abuse… [and] Maine’s the largest net receiver of Federal funds, even though we supposedly hate the Feds … it’s a welfare state.”
    In her statement Tuesday, Snowe said she has “long believed that Maine, not the federal government, should be firmly in control over land-use policies for our hunters, fishermen and forest-based economy” and that a federal park “would cause a region of the state to be dictated by decisions made unilaterally in Washington.”
    “Ultimately, it is up to the local people of the region whether the idea for a park is embraced,” Snowe said.
    A feasibility study, Snowe added through a spokesman, would be a misdirection.
    “A feasibility study is not an assessment of whether a federal park is best for the region’s economy and community, but rather whether this land is suitable to be a part of the National Park System,” the spokesman said. “The focus now should be on assessing how we grow the Katahdin region’s economy and increase jobs, not for Washington bureaucrats to assess whether the land tract is suitable to be” a national park.
    Fellow Republican U.S. Sen. Susan Collins said she too had misgivings about creating more federal land management in Maine. According to her communications director, Kevin Kelley, Collins “believes a new national park in northern Maine would likely spell the end to the working forest that has provided thousands of good jobs.”
    “She has always believed that the real opportunity for conserving and maintaining lands for outdoor recreation such as fishing, hiking, hunting, paddling and snowmobiling is in working closely with private landowners,” Kelley said.
    At least one of the senators would have to agree to a feasibility study, which also would require congressional approval.
    Quimby has an unlisted telephone number and did not respond to an email request for comment. In an apparently automated response to an email sent to her Tuesday, Quimby said she would be away until Oct. 17 and was “unable to read your message.”
    Meanwhile Tuesday, a group called the Friends of Baxter State Park announced its support of a feasibility study and the Brownville Snowmobile Club said its members oppose such a study.
    Ralph Pope, a member of the Friends of Baxter State Park board of directors, said having “a conservation buffer” to Baxter would be beneficial to the state park, and Brownville club President Dave Ramsey said his club would not support a park feasibility study unless the trails on Quimby’s land were deeded permanently for snowmobile use.
    “We feel that there may be strong benefits for the region, and for Baxter State Park,” Pope said in a statement. “A conservation buffer on any border of BSP has great potential benefit, and the creation of this National Park on the Park’s eastern boundary is likely to provide a major ecological and social buffer protecting the wilderness character of BSP.”
    Brownville club members sought a permanent deeding in response to an offer from Quimby of five years of club use on her trails in exchange for letters of support for a study and for a park. That came as part of an effort that some clubs felt was coercive, as it at least implied that access to the trails would be denied unless clubs would support Quimby’s initiatives.
    “Ms. Quimby has stated that ‘only through permanently deeded trails can the economic stability of the small businesses near them be guaranteed.’ We recognize that also. And that is all we ask,” Ramsey said in a statement. “We also feel that threatening our membership with trail closure in order to secure support for Ms. Quimby’s goal is an improper tactic during these trying economic times.”
    Park proponents believe that the park could provide economic benefits to its neighboring communities and the state, while proponents of a study maintain that it would be the best way of determining whether the land would make a good park.
    Park opponents resist extending national authority over the proposed park land and believe that a feasibility study is unnecessary because they don’t support a park and that a study would be biased in favor of one.Similar articles:East Millinocket school leaders deadlock on park feasibility study

    Quimby should launch her national park privately, councilor says

    Quimby adds more than 11,000 acres to land holdings

    Quimby’s idea for a national park gathering momentum, supporters say

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  • Anonymous

    Well,Quimby can go to H E double L for all I care ! Even if I do resemble her “recent statements” ….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    I think she hit the nail right on the head…..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    no, because their words show that they are…

  • Anonymous

    Actually I believe she is planning on endowing the park to the turn of $20 million and has pledged to raise an additional $20 ,million on top of that. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/joyce.m.harris Joyce M. Harris

    Thank you Olympia Snowe for apologizing for Roxanne, but she should speak for herself and make a public apology to the people of Maine.  Come on Roxanne—-man up!!!!

  • Anonymous

    “her comments last week confirmed she is a classic limo liberal”….”now that people see what she really thinks, hopefully they can see thru the left wing politicians who think they have to manage and control our lives”…….sounds just like another conspiracy theory from rush limbaugh’s right wing land of make believe.

  • Anonymous

    simple her ex did all the work she shysted  him out then got lucky when some corp bought it.

  • Moose

    I would would rather be obese then have a face only a mother could love.

  • Moose

    She is one ugly beast and maybe she is that unknown thing running wild in the Maine woods. Its Roxanne the ugly queen.What a bi*ch that ulgy queen is.

  • Anonymous

    Seems to me they bend over backwards for a lot of businesses, and at times at the taxpayers expense. It is funny this is the most anti-business rhetoric, just because they do not believe Quimby National Park serves the towns best interest.

  • Anonymous

    You are pro-park and anti park in one comment.  A feasibility study (if you read the article at all) does not explore economic impact, it only determines if the land is suitable for a park. It is not a Market Study. Got it??

  • Anonymous

    Spell check, spell check, spell check!  Please!!

  • Anonymous

    If i use Bert’s Bees would i look like her?  I HOPE NOT i would be ugly.

  • Anonymous

    I believe he did state fact….she’s done all of these things. She is an elitist with a personal agenda that she wants to shove down everyone else’s throat and force us to live what she believes in. 

  • Anonymous

    If you really believe this you better go take an economics class. She tears out the infrastructure from these properties once she gains ownership and then restricts access. Someone needs to re-build and maintain the infrastructure and guess what Skippy…it’s your tax dollars that will be used. She’s a liar and a detrement to the state of Maine.

  • Anonymous

    So being called a welfare state of lazy people isn’t hateful…..really…wow…it’s people like you that attract people liker her to our state.

  • Anonymous

    more hatefulness….now be a good socialist and say your sorry

  • Anonymous

    Ban socialists with an anti Maine agenda.   How about coming up with some good solutions to create jobs and stimulate the economy instead of posting stupd rhetoric

  • Anonymous

    Too bad it’s not this simple

  • Anonymous

    And for many years, there were many people that earned above aveage wages. Her way is not the answer. Maine needs jobs, and not someone that  would make the entire state a park for people to look at.  ATV trails, snowmobile trails, hunters and fishermen spend multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars in this region, she wants to take that away.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S2R7GWMLQFQNUYFLAY2BIVBYDM Winston Calhoun

    She is wrong!!!their is more forest now then 100 years ago,because when they clear cut they re plant new ones.And every state has welfare and fat people and old people. Ms ugly face should shut up.!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Spruce Dweller are you serious?
    1. Roxanne lied- How about telling in one breath its only 70,000 acres and in another talking up how it is jump starting RESTORES 3.2 million acre vision. Do I need to cut and paste those quotes, articles and sources??
    2. Blackmailed Snowmobile clubs- again do we need to cut and paste BDN artilcles that describe her giving access in exchange for letters of support???  Maybe that should just be called unfreindly coercion instead of blackmail.
    3. Ken Salazar a Federal official shows up to talk up a feasibility study AFTER the congressional delegation says no, our legislature overwhelmingly says no (Republican and Democrat) and the governor says no.
    4. Calling Mainers names-read above.

    RQ could do a lot of good for this state if she chose to but she only seems concerned with having her name in some kind of legacy on par with Percival Baxter. EGO plain and simple. Now she has become  all worried about the economy of Maine and telling us how this will be such a benifit. Where is that same concern when it comes to those who make a living off the  snowmobile industry? Do people realize how many ’tourists’ already come from southern maine and out of state to snowmobile these trails in the winter? Where is that same concern when she shuts off land to hunting and access roads for fishing. Where do you suppose those ‘tourists’ go. They choose other parts of the state that have more access. That has already affected hunting camps, campgrounds and local business.

    But then again this is the same woman that moved her business out of  Maine probably because old fat women in Dover Foxcroft wanted insurance or better pay. Move it out of state where you can find someone to work for less. Do you see any contradictions?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S2R7GWMLQFQNUYFLAY2BIVBYDM Winston Calhoun

    THE REASON SHE HAS A UNLISTED NUMBER ,BECAUSE SHE IS A COWARD

  • Anonymous

    YES I live here. YES the East Millinocket Mill will re-start beginning Friday. YES you are correct there will be no jobs created because there is nothing there to build jobs around. The only ” use” for that land that would create and sustain jobs is logging the land, replanting and repeat.  And YES you have to lay the sole blame for this entire fiasco on the people, corporations, LLC’S that sold her each and every acre in this State.  YES it is time to run Quimby out of Maine, and those who sold her the land right with her!!!

  • AionNV

    We get it, you can’t support your position because it’s hypocritical, girl.

  • Anonymous

    Can the BDN please send Nick up to take a picture of a tree on her land and STOP putting her picture up there? Oh better yet come on up Nick bring your camera and we’ll go take a picture of one of her PADLOCKS!! You can use that picture instead of her… some of us do eat dinner at the computer once in a while… have a heart!!

  • Anonymous

    Although I’m not a fan of Quimby , I find nothing inaccurate in her statement describing Maine as a welfare state  that has a large population of obese and elderly people.  As for Snowe’s comments on Maine’s stellar work ethic, sorry Olympia, that ship sailed a long time ago. 

  • Anonymous

    I was flippin’ through the channels last night and stopped on some marijuana show.  Did you know that 80% of the crop is grown on National Park Land. I kid you not that is what the show said. Makes ya wonder what she and her wierdo conservationist friends are really up to behind all her padlocked land in Maine?  Maybe we should check and see if that tall blonde goofey actor from St. Elsewhere show Ed Begley is one of her ” close friends”. 

  • Anonymous

    Ms. Quimby wants to provide tourism jobs for Maine, but moved her manufacturing jobs to North Carolina and then sold out to a huge corporation for profits.  Burt’s Bees “all natural” products are a division of Clorox.

    It appears the Forbes interview is only a small part of the hypocrisy.

  • Anonymous

    One of these days, you may make a statement I actually agree with, even a little bit, but I won’t  count on it , Cecil. When someone craps all over our State and it’s citizens because thy don’t all bow to her wishes …ideas that will ultimately impact many communities and people…it’s hard to maintain respect for them… unless you tend to have no self- respect, of course.

  • Anonymous

    She should be the first to know you catch more flies with honey then vinegar.
    Ask for a vote on a park then vote no, the government shouldn’t be owning land anyway. 

  • Anonymous

    Just how many jobs do you think will be created so people can go walking in the woods?  Do you REALLY think that people are going to flock to walk in her particular area of woods when there is already a sizeable park right next door that they can hike in?  If she really wants to create jobs in the area, she should locate a business here and pay employees and pay taxes. Instead, she wants to take her land off the tax roles and NOT create any jobs, and force the federal government to be responsible for it. Also, in case you somehow haven’t heard, the federal government isn’t exactly flush with money and in a big hiring mode and the last thing it needs is another place that will cost it money and require more employees to administer and care for it.

  • Anonymous

    i am an independant and hate both parties and the games they play..if you want to label me call me a realist ….it is too bad people have to get labeled and pigeon holed while you cannot even comment on the point i was making..

  • Anonymous

    And you are making the false assumption that the government will actually hire local people to administer and care for this park. The very last thing the government needs right now is more land to care for  and to have to hire and pay more employees.

    Also, just how much additional infrastructure will be needed when there is already a sizeable park nearby where people already can take part in all the same activities as in Quimby’s proposed park?  Possibly a very few more people might make the drive to check out this park, but mostly it would be the same people who already use Baxter.  

  • Anonymous

    There was a time that I supported Roxanne.  I awaken now to see that she is not a supporter of Maine, but in it solely for the money.  Her devious plan has come to light.  There may be people in Maine who are as she describes but they are in the minority.

  • Anonymous

    There are plenty of hard working people out there that put a lot of time and effort into their work.  There will always be those that are lazy and un-motivated, but you show me a state that has nothing but those individuals than I might believe that the ship has sailed.

  • Anonymous

    Ive said it before ill say it again, Roxy is starting to get a double chin by the looks of it and she is looking a little aged, thankfully she isnt skewing our” state stats”Its good that some people are from away !~

  • Anonymous

    Snowe and Collins are political hacks playing to what they think their redneck followers want to hear. 

    Anyone who’s against a simple feasability study because it’s misdirected is short sighted and confused. This study will look at one thing – the natural environment as park, and perhaps the next study will look at what they think is important – economic impact. 

    If they were real leaders they would propose a 2nd study and find funding for it.

  • Anonymous

    Figures.

  • Anonymous

    Maine has, statistically , the 2nd highest percentage of welfare recipients, and the oldest population, in the US. She’s incorrect about the obesity, 47 states are fatter. I found these stats in 5 minutes, while the rest of you were calling each other names.

  • Anonymous

    I would hope that Baxter doesn’t get drawn into a National park.  It has been fine the way it has been and draws many people to it without being a national park.  It has it’s own governing board made up of Maine individuals and that in it self makes it better than a national park that would be subject to federal oversight.  Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke.

  • Anonymous

    That could explain everything!  It doesn’t make any sense economically any other way!

  • Anonymous

    Nonsense, we spend more in Iraq and Afghanistan in 10 days than we do for all the National Parks in a year. End the two wars and the money will freed up. Or how about a 1% tax on all Wall Street transactions? Your no money argument is hollow. 

  • Anonymous

    It is difficult to write when I am laughing so hard from reading your statement.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TJYZV7JWWJCPG7BX65EM6UOHZ4 Skowhegan Resident

    Roxanne Quimby is the Steve Jobs of Maine. And we dump on her because the people in this state do not know what constructive criticism is

  • Anonymous

    Nobody has said ONLY papermills and snowmobiling, but snowmobiling is a popular activity in Maine and there’s nothing wrong with that.  You may be right that Maine is not very diverse, but there’s nothing wrong (or right) about that either. Just because YOU can’t seem to understand why people in this area are happy the way they are, doesn’t mean that they should change to conform to the way you think they should be. You need to learn to respect the choices people make in their own areas and stop expecting everyone to conform to your way of thinking. Live and let live.

  • Anonymous

    These small minds only care about their ‘camps’ and snowmobile trails on land they don’t own. Super selfish dolts. 

  • Anonymous

    If you actually intended to visit this park, you currently could have the exact same experience by visiting Baxter.

  • Anonymous

    If that’s what was going on, it would be pretty stupid. So, you can assume that all the local people who are against this are stupid, OR you can look into it more and attempt to understand the issues and subtleties that lead them to feel the way they do. Your choice.  I suggest you start with the fact that this proposed park would prevent local people from using this land in the same way they have enjoyed using it for generations, and it’s unlikely to create any significant numbers of good paying jobs.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TJYZV7JWWJCPG7BX65EM6UOHZ4 Skowhegan Resident

    LLbean took their paper orders out of Maine paper mills for out of state paper mills

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad you are enjoying yourself.  I’m sure the people in Bucksport appreciate your sense of humor.

  • Anonymous

    No – I’m making the assumption that the government won’t hire locals to run the park, because, based on what I’ve read here, I don’t think the locals are capable of doing so.  I’m making the assumption that locals will figure out ways to make money off of the tourist stream that will be generated by a National Park.  I realize that may be generous of me, giving what we’re working with.

  • Anonymous

    Actually – you’ve got it backwards.  Quimby does not take away your ability to hunt and snowmobile on her land… she has given you permission to hunt and snowmobile on her land.  Because it’s HER land, she can do that.  She doesn’t owe you, or anyone else, a thing.  By making the assumption that she does, you come off like a freeloader.

  • Anonymous

    we might be fat old and poor , but she /he still looks like grampa , brahaha.

  • Anonymous

    How can people make a good decision about this park idea without a feasibility study?

  • Anonymous

    I do believe Roxanne may have met her match!

  • Anonymous

    If you go to the Forbes site and read the original piece,  the article does everything but knieel & kiss her boots. Looks like something you’d PAY to have printed. She may know how to make money, but obviously missed that thing in Kindergarten about how to be a good person.

  • Anonymous

    Like I’ve said before, we neither want, nor need you, Roxanne Quimby. Go buy land in some other state and force your crap down their throats! Leave Maine alone….

  • Anonymous

    ““do not reflect the reality and true nature of Maine,” U.S. Sen. Olympia Snowe said Tuesday.”

    Uh, maybe you should spend a little more time with the common folk, Snowe.  Roxanne hit the nail on the head.

  • Anonymous

    ” “Just consider how the Maine workers at Kittery-Portsmouth Naval
    Shipyard and the DFAS [Defense Finance and Accounting Service] center in
    Limestone saved their facilities by making them into the gold standard
    for innovation and efficiency, and how Bath-built ships are renowned in
    the Navy for their unparalleled quality.””

    -All facilities which would be closed if not for Government contracts a.k.a WELFARE!!!!  Nice job Snoweball you just confirmed what Roxanne said…ahahahahahaaaa!!!!

  • Anonymous

    whawell must be an out-of-stater that moved to Maine. They support anything!

  • Anonymous

    From the BSP website…Baxter Park (200,000+acres) has 22 year
    round employees and 39 seasonal.   How
    many employees will a 70,000 acre park, which doesn’t have the attractions of
    BSP, employ? Just be logical.  Please, don’t
    use “…a feasibility study needs to be done” comments.  Or the “Maine needs diverse commerce…” because
    selling trinkets may help a few artisans/craftspeople but it will not support a
    state economy in a substantial way.

    And for the record I am not against R. Quimby.  She has the right to do what she wants with
    her land, but I shouldn’t have to pay for it.

  • Anonymous

    As with any debate, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.  To say Maine is a “welfare state” is harsh.  True…but harsh.  There’s way too many people on Welfare and far too much drug use and the two typically go hand in hand.  Unemployment – also too high.  Why?  Because Maine doesnt have much to offer by way of jobs, and what IS out there would mean people take a pay cut from unemployment to get a job making minimun wage.  Does that make sense to anyone? Too much obesity and elderly?  Try going to Mississippi, it’ll make Maine look like an anorexic population. Wait, did I just compare Maine to the most obese state in the nation?  Hmmmmm….

    That being said – there are many hard workers as well. Many communities that take pride in thier small towns, and enjoy the beauty and way of life Maine has to offer.

    I would like to see these two women point out the issues they are going to attack and FIX , rather then play the Uh-huh – Nu-Uh game.

  • Anonymous

    RQ for guv.  She understands the people of Maine

  • Anonymous

    “If Baxter can barely attract Mainers?” What are you implying? More than 50% of its users are Mainers.

  • Anonymous

    You’re addressing Quimby’s character.  I really don’t care if she has character flaws.  Are you really surprised that billionaires break scruples when trying to get their way?

    What’s important is whether the Park will be a good thing.  One big benefit is that whatever jobs it provides will be there for many generations.  Real stability.  Not having to worry about when the latest corporation is going to leave.  Once you set up your restaurant, and it starts making money, partially from tourism, you can have some confidence that your situation is stable.  Park Ranger jobs and other Park jobs are really nice.

    I hear your concerns about hunting, snowmobiling, and so on–but Maine is a big place, and other venues remain.  If you can afford a snowgo, you certainly have the means to transport it.  The deeper issue is jobs and economics.  Another issue is protecting the land from future industrialization.

    As far as Quimby’s character, though it is secondary, here are some plausible alternatives to your conclusions

    1.  Lying involves intent to deceive.  Quimby might have mis-spoke or changed her views.  If you have no evidence of intent to deceive, you don’t have lying–you have someone who is working on a complex project and facing attacks, and I would guess death threats, because she has a vision.

    2. I don’t see how blackmail or extortion apply when you own the land and you are deciding — and, yes, maybe changing your mind — about who gets access.  In the USA, private ownership of land is sacrosanct. If she wanted to shut everyone out and give the land to the most extreme nature organiztion, she could–but she hasn’t, so be greatful. 

    3. I don’t think the majority of the people in Maine are against a Park.  I think a recent poll showed a majority in support.  I don’t see any evidence of Quimby bribing or tampering with the democratic process.  I see a billionaire with a vision.  All billionaires have visions and they fight for them.  A lot of people approve of her vision.

    4. Calling Mainers names–I wish I had a dollar for every name Quimby has been called.  I am guessing she has received death threats. 

  • Anonymous

    This is what billionaires do.  There are 400 of them and they own as much wealth as 50% of all Americans.  The agendas of many other billionaires are far less noble than  Quimby’s–you just don’t see what they are up to.

    I have said over and over that her character is not the issue.  The arguments for the Park are good.  Even the Wall Street Journal gave a neutral or even favorable view of the Park.  A poll showed the majority of Mainers in favor of the Park.  I’m willing to put it to a vote of the People, are you?

  • Anonymous

    Rick Perry said Social Security is a ponzi scheme–so he said all of America is a welfare state.  Are you upset with him?

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the info.  Preserving the land is also an investment in our future.

  • Anonymous

    The federal government has a lot of problems, yes.  Once we end the foolish wars we are locked into, especially Afghanistan, it will free up trillions.   The Park will generate more money than it costs to maintain.

  • Anonymous

    One point that Ms. Quimby refers to that I think we do need to be concerned about is the fact that Maine has the highest percentage of elderly citizens in the U.S. This would appear to be the result of the decline of Maine’s economy. Not only are we losing our young people, we are losing our appeal to companies that may want to move to Maine. I don’t see how the Quimby proposal would help this, in any major way, however.

  • Anonymous

     Humanity is going to continue to develop the planet.  As time goes on, the natural areas that remain are going to skyrocket in importance.  Another Park just means more green gold in terms of tourism.  The jobs provided will be stable–not like when a private business pulls in and pulls out–a boom and bust chaos.

    Peace, stability, beauty, jobs. 

  • Anonymous

    If so, shame on them, but they haven’t moved their entire operation out of Maine like Burt’s Bees has.

  • Anonymous

    Ending the wars would save trillions.  Taxing billionaires like Quimby would generate trillions over the next decade.

    The Federal government can support another Park–creating jobs in the process.

  • Anonymous

    A National Park would be a wilderness area, and wouldn’t need the infrastructure of urban, suburban, industrial or heavy timber areas.  Some timbering would continue.

  • Anonymous

    In addition to “selling trinkets” how about lodging, food, retail, outfitters, guide services, shuttle services/transportation, rafting, flight-seeing services, eco tourism, etc., etc.  I’m not left wing nor liberal, but the numbers speak for themselves.The National Park System generates at least four dollars in
    value to the public for every tax dollar appropriated for its budget….The park
    system is responsible for $13.3 billion of local private-sector economic
    activity, supporting 267,000 private-sector jobs. Truthfully, I think the Millinocket/Katahdin area could use some extra private sector jobs that are not all tied to a mill.

  • MianeExile

    Just plain sick and tired of her.She sucks.Period

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who believes that the federal government, overseeing 310 million souls from one location on the Potomic River. is the most appropriate entity to rely on for job creation is undoubtedtly among the rolls of shortsighted Americans.  And invoking the term ‘perpetuity’ in the same sentence as government pretty much sums up the entirety of SpuceDwellers commentary on the BDN pages:  completely ignorant of reality and rooted in a fantastical, idealistic utopian mindset that is about as dangerous and radical as ideologies come these days.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby’s deal with the Snowmobile Association is not blackmail.  It is a negotiation.

    “In common usage, blackmail is a crime involving threats to reveal substantially true and/or false information about a person to the public, a family member, or associates unless a demand is met.[1][2] ”

    “Negotiation is a dialogue between two or more people or parties, intended to reach an understanding, resolve point of difference, or gain advantage in outcome of dialogue, to produce an agreement upon courses of action, to bargain for individual or collective advantage, to craft outcomes to satisfy various interests of two people/parties involved in negotiation process. Negotiation is a process where each party involved in negotiating tries to gain an advantage for themselves by the end of the process. Negotiation is intended to aim at compromise.”

  • MianeExile

    Plain sick and tired of her, she just sucks for Maine. Please go away and take the rest of the “we moved in from somewhere else and want to change our town and state bunch with you “

  • Anonymous

    Paper on the way out? Tell that to Sappi.

  • Anonymous

     Anyone see the Crawford’s, Hanington’s and Haynes roll in all of this?

  • Anonymous

    LOL…more of this perpetual government nonsense.  Hey Sprucey, name for us one government that has lasted for ‘perpetuity’….just one Sprucey….c’mon

  • Anonymous

    “The cost of the park is spread out over the entire United States, not just Mainers paying for it.”

    We already have Acadia that the rest of the U.S. pays for.  Why should someone in Nebraska be asked to foot a portion of the bill for another National Park in Maine?  It is of no benefit to them but they will be reuired to pay for it.  Where is your moral justification for such a plan?  how can you demand someone pay for something they may never use, simply so YOU can benefit from it?  And furthermore, in our current economic climate, what makes you think you will convince the reps and senators from the remaining 49 states to go along with creating this park when it will cost their constituents money? 

  • Anonymous

    Um, what tourist is going to pay to wade through spruce-fir thickets without any roads or amenities? There is a reason why more people go to Acadia than Baxter, and it’s not just the coast or the distance from Mass.: people don’t want to get out of their cars. They’re happy to drive the loop road in AC. Personally–and granted, it’s selfish–I don’t want to look down from Katahdin and see a big ‘ol tar road lined with SUVs.

  • Anonymous

    And Nat’l Parks don’t allow timber harvests.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, now that’s the way to win over an audience you are trying to convince…call them selfish dolts!  LOL, go get ‘em treehugger.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and in the morning Ms. Quimby, you will still be fat and ugly.

  • Anonymous

    I never said there would be no infrastructure in a Park.  It’s different than urban, suburban, industrial or timber infrastructure.

  • Anonymous

    We have no guarentee that those Nat’l Park jobs will go to Mainers–if you work for the Park service, you go where they send you for 5-6 years, and I would expect many of the rangers would come from out of state. And even though tourism is one of Maine’s biggest money makers, it is not a sure source of income–when the economy plummets and the price of oil goes up, people aren’t driving to northern Maine. Heck, they won’t even drive to Ogunquit–any local will tell you that it was a VERY slow summer on the southern coast, and that’s their livelihood.

  • Anonymous

    LOL…the Steve jobs of Maine, that really takes the cake!

    I just held up a tube of Burt’s Bees chapstick next to my iPhone and I really can’t decide which one has had a greater impact on my life…

  • Anonymous

    You’re right.  I was thinking of Nat’l Forests.  However, there would be maintenance of the wilderness area, which would include selective cutting to maximize the health and strength of the ecosystem.

  • Anonymous

    Government stimulus, when done well, generates more than it costs.  A National Park will generate more than it costs.

  • Anonymous

    You are flat out wrong with the work ethic comment.  I imagine it is because you don’t travel much and/or have spent much time living in other states.  Ignorance os bliss I guess.  But you’re still wrong.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a french canadian mecca, my friend. Katahdin is like, a bad mamajama on the Eastern seaboard.

  • Anonymous

    That must explain why so many people don’t like her.  I guess LePage really understands the people of Maine too!

  • Anonymous

    Again, look at Verso in Bucksport.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, Senator Snowe, quit pandering because it’s an election year.  You sent a statement on this?  How about the Jobs Act?  What have you done for Mainers lately? 

  • Anonymous

    here’s what i would like to see in Millinocket to stimulate their economy.

    the problem:  who knew there was a downtown Millinocket other than Katahdin motors, Hannaford and MacD’s?

    not me.  and i have been to baxter countless times.

    the solution:  1. create a ‘Shadow of Katahdin’ biz district logo.  2. produce some street sign flags, hang them along the main drag (156?/11?) and also along the two (2) main streets (since they are one way).  3.  make sure there is ample parking.  4.  make some events on the weekend  5. promote, promote, promote.  6.  look towards Eastport.  they made a lot out of nothing in the last 20 years.  

    there are information signs if you are coming from the Golden Road, but everyone coming from that direction already knows where Pelletier’s restaurant is. (duh)

    there is an Information building on the main drag, but no one is ever parked there.  and that is not how people get information these days, anyway. (duh)

    yes, the businesses need to work together  (like a bunch of socialists).  or maybe the snowmobile clubs could work together for an easement or to buy land cooperatively (another socialist idea).

    :)
    the marketing guru

  • Anonymous

    Ms Snow. Wake up call for you. Maine is laying off more workers then they are hiring.  This will be a walfare state. But what do you care  as long as it doesn’t effect your income.  How about you donating some of your millions  to the needy here in  Maine. 

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like people are changing their tune about Roxanne… Oh my..
    Dont see too many people supporting her by the looks of the comments below..

  • Anonymous

    Wow.  Refreshing to hear someone speak the truth. 

  • Anonymous

    Yes I am upset with Perry and don’t plan on voting for him! Her character has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT. She is biting the hand that she wants to feed her!
     
    To think a park will bring lasting jobs is just ignorant. Have you been to Bar Harbor lately? If you have, you would know just about every business is for sale and the only jobs are seasonal minimum wage jobs. On top of that, the people who might work those jobs can’t afford to live there because rent is so high and you can’t commute 30 – 45 minutes for a minimum wage job because the cost of gas alone will eat up your paycheck! Those folks that do live there are having a difficult  time because their property taxes are so high most of them have their homes for sale as well. It isn’t a place that has avoided the recession at all, in fact, it’s pretty much all for sale. Maybe she should buy it and add it to Acadia! Oh wait, it wouldn’t have her name on it then, would it?
     
    RQ should go back to Berkley where she came from. If she truly liked Maine and Mainers she wouldn’t call them names, she wouldn’t have moved her business elsewhere, and she would respect what the locals want, not what she thinks should be. And aside from being one of those summer visitors, does she actually LIVE in Maine?
     
    Do you really think locals care what the WSJ or any other newspaper writes? The only people that need to be voting on this are the locals that will be affected, and I’m all for them voting on it. I am not for all of Maine voting for it as Southern Maine won’t be affected like the locals will be and shouldn’t have a say in what isn’t in their backyard. Sort of like the Casino the Passamaquoddy’s want in Washington County that Southern Maine won’t allow them to have. What affect is it to them? NONE!
     
    RQ doesn’t “get” Mainers nor does she care about Maine. Her ego only cares about one thing and that is herself. How dumb can you be to not see that after reading the Forbes article?

  • Anonymous

    a realist does not confirm that she is a classic limo liberal based on a few comments.  your label does nothing to further your supposed point.

  • Anonymous

    Yes I am upset with Perry and don’t plan on voting for him! Her character has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT. She is biting the hand that she wants to feed her!
     
    To think a park will bring lasting jobs is just ignorant. Have you been to Bar Harbor lately? If you have, you would know just about every business is for sale and the only jobs are seasonal minimum wage jobs. On top of that, the people who might work those jobs can’t afford to live there because rent is so high and you can’t commute 30 – 45 minutes for a minimum wage job because the cost of gas alone will eat up your paycheck! Those folks that do live there are having a difficult  time because their property taxes are so high most of them have their homes for sale as well. It isn’t a place that has avoided the recession at all, in fact, it’s pretty much all for sale. Maybe she should buy it and add it to Acadia! Oh wait, it wouldn’t have her name on it then, would it?
     
    RQ should go back to Berkley where she came from. If she truly liked Maine and Mainers she wouldn’t call them names, she wouldn’t have moved her business elsewhere, and she would respect what the locals want, not what she thinks should be. And aside from being one of those summer visitors, does she actually LIVE in Maine?
     
    Do you really think locals care what the WSJ or any other newspaper writes? The only people that need to be voting on this are the locals that will be affected, and I’m all for them voting on it. I am not for all of Maine voting for it as Southern Maine won’t be affected like the locals will be and shouldn’t have a say in what isn’t in their backyard. Sort of like the Casino the Passamaquoddy’s want in Washington County that Southern Maine won’t allow them to have. What affect is it to them? NONE!
     
    RQ doesn’t “get” Mainers nor does she care about Maine. Her ego only cares about one thing and that is herself. How dumb can you be to not see that after reading the Forbes article?

  • Anonymous

    Brilliant just brilliant !!!!!!!!  She’ll bring jobs like Steve Jobs hahahaha !!!!!!!!!  Good paying jobs ??? Oh boy where do I sign the agreement with Roxy ???  ha ha ha  !!!!!! F ‘ in NOT :-/

  • Anonymous

    To hard to read, bad grammar.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_APVY6G6ITCLZCM2P6GM7UZIIY4 Douglas

    This thread has degenerated into an opinionated bashing session that is not addressing the real issue.  Here is how I see it (pun intended).  RQ may perhaps have good intentions in her belief and I will not judge that as I will not judge the views of the opposition.  But I can judge the position each side is taking and how I believe that will benefit myself and the people of this great State.  There has and always will be large scale land owners and that is what being wealthy means.  Check.  All good so far.  There has and always will be those that choose to use that land they privately own to their own intent.  Check.  Still good so far as this is private purchased land.  Here’s where it is not so good.  The land is intended to be added as a conservation buffer to the Baxter State Park as a National Park.  Does that mean the Federal government now incurs the cost of management, maintenance and control of the NP?  If so, then where is the funding coming from to do this?  Oh wait….my federal taxes.  Not good.  Secondly, I can’t say for sure but have read the BDN articles in the past how some of this land was “obtained” without true willing consent; forced sales of camps, forced movement of homes, etc.  There is a clause called emminent domain but that is for state and federal jurisdiction but it sure sounds like a hard press of people to me.  Not good.  I would have to see a true indepth business plan for someone to prove to me that this will create long-term employment opportunities in the tourism based environment that is very seasonal related.  I don’t remember seeing alot of tourism based business around BSP the last time I was there.  Most of the peripheral tourism based businesses have dried up. 

    Point is, I will not judge the people involved; both pros and cons.  But I will judge what is right for the state based on true, clear, and concise facts provided.  That is what is missing in intent and proof for me to believe any of this.

  • Anonymous

    I think your dismissal of the economic possibilities inherent in this proposal is deeply flawed.  It will impact the way people have traditionally used the paper company lands, no doubt.  But those circumstances are in the process of rapid and irrevocable change.  Changing circumstances require new ideas.  Given the limited alternatives open to the area at this time I feel this negative outlook is most unwise.  The R Q  plan can only augment in value on multiple levels with the passage of time, that much seems clear.  One way or another the old ways are dying.  The only thing in question is how people will adapt to changed circumstances.  Everyone wants the best for the region. I just cannot see clinging to the economic status quo as leading anywhere good, traditional land squatting practices notwithstanding.

  • Anonymous

    Hard to believe she used to buy her coffee at Evelyn’s in Guilford with food stamps huh?

  • Anonymous

    Roxanne Quimby is just an old woman who looks like an ugly gorilla. She has always tried to screw over Northern Maine, that’s her sole agenda. She’s got a bunch of money so she thinks she has some sort of right to act how she wants. Calling the people of Maine nasty names probably isn’t the best way to gain support either. She should take the hint from the comments below, most people are against her park and against HER in general. Listen to the people Roxanne Quimby and get the heck out of our state. We don’t need you here, and we don’t want you here.

  • Anonymous

    that’s why it’s time for Olympia to step down. She doesn’t face reality and obviously doesn’t know the state of Maine.  Stats show that Maine is very obese and yes, with no jobs……….we are a welfare state.

  • Anonymous

    the country isn’t broke…….the working class is broke. How about we focus on the rich paying their share of taxes and that should hold us up. If the working middle class could hold the country up on their tax base for years, then seems the rich should be able to do the same. GOP likes us to focus on other small stuff instead of focusing on their GREED

  • Anonymous

    First of all, as I’ve said over and over, it doesn’t matter if Qumby has a big ego, or if she says things that hurt people’s feelings.  What is important are the arguments, for and against, the Park. 

    If we evaluated every proposal by every politician or business person based on their personalities and faults, nothing would ever get done.  Because we’re all highly flawed beings–so I hazard to guess.

    You say that only locals should get to decide this issue.  First of all, the land in question doesn’t belong to the locals.  If the locals vote down Quimby’s Park, and she turns around and fences it all off and gives it to a radical liberal organization–well, the locals will have made their own bed.

    My question for you is:  Why doesn’t the landowner get to decide the issue? 

    Secondly, the issue affects everyone, not just the locals.  I think it fair that all Mainers have a say.  Thirdly, the beauty and preservation of the land is an ethical imperative that transcends the self-interest of locals.

    Your analogy with Bar Harbor is interesting, but the economy will always fluctuate in free market capitalism, due to boom and bust cycles.  During a bust, corporations fire everyone and go away.  A National Park provides great stability in perpetuity.  Even in tough times, people like to get away into nature.

    Honestly, my experience is that most people are very selfish.  They don’t care about future generations, or preserving the beauty of land.  What they want is money, power and toys.  That is my opinion of humanity in general–and the miraculous majesty of nature needs to be protected from that animal instinct of humans to take, expand and consume.

    The rational arguments transcend the prejudices of the locals.  It’s not like Quimby is forcing closure of factories.  The factories are already dying out.

    The future is one where humans will basically overdevelop most of the planet–any wilderness areas left will be a source of pride and income.  Green gold. 

  • clamcove

    Nice political comments. Who could expect more?

  • Anonymous

    You want substance

    Why would anyone believe “Anything” Quimby or her minions
    spew, they lie… http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=135873

    Their own base says National Parks are in danger
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejO6c3iw3bg

    And most of all, there are very few in Northern Maine that trust Washington not
    to skrew us
    http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm

    Quimby began this project and her minion lied that it was even happening-
    Her original intension was more than a million acres, then it was 70,000, now
    its 100,000-
    When it came out, her minion chastised anyone that questioned it-
    since Quimby’s visit this summer, she has blackmailed the snowmobilers, had her supporters hound town officials and even got Ken Salazar to lie about not being invited….

    Yup, I’d say Quimby has proven she can’t be trusted…!

  • Anonymous

    First of all i don’t think that being concern about Ms Quimby’s character flaws should have anything to do with this issue because we all have character flaws. What we should be concern about is what she has to offer the state of Me and it’s people and whether or not it would be benificial to the state. And i think that if this is handly in the right way and not like a bunch of politicians there could be some good in this proposel. So all i am saying is before we start throwing stongs at each other lets try working with each other.

  • http://twitter.com/DangYankee1969 Arthur Nickerson

    Why can’t Ms. Quimby get it through her head that the people of Maine don’t want another national park here. Maine residents have been people of the land for generations and we don’t want her kind of people here just blocking the use of our natural resources and stopping access to areas that people have hunted, fished, hiked, picnicked, and just rode across to look at nature. So Ms. Quimby, if you feel that people here in Maine are so bad why don’t you just sell your land and GET OUT!!!

  • Anonymous

    Too hard to read, bad grammar?

  • Anonymous

    We as taxpayers cannot afford another unfunded burden…!

    It will remove more jobs than it creates-
    The few jobs it will create will not even pay a livable wage-
    It will remove access to hunters, atv use, snowmobiles, and logging-
    It has been proven that this will become an ongoing cost on the backs of the taxpayers-

    .

  • Anonymous

    Sorry Charlie, no sale

  • Anonymous

    Well then tell your buddy Obama to end it. The Federal Gov, can not support another park.Have you read the reports on the shape of the National Park system? It is dismal to say the least.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christopherwperry Chris Perry

    How about putting those acres into the National Forest system, instead, with a permanent protection for recreational vehicles on certain, designated trails? The Forest Service would oversee logging operations and the woods would continue to serve their dual purpose while being protected for conservation.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_APVY6G6ITCLZCM2P6GM7UZIIY4 Douglas

    Even though I don’t necessarily agree with your view on her character, you did bring up an excellent point.  I can choose to vote or not vote for a person running for public office; Perry, Snowe, or Collins.  But there is no voting for Quimbly.  Those that chose to sell land to her have to ask the question now is what did they help create here?  I will say that if she was indeed running for a public office, then her comments would definitely help the campaign–for her oponent of course.

  • Anonymous

    If I used the same tactics on a politician I’d be going to jail…..!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_APVY6G6ITCLZCM2P6GM7UZIIY4 Douglas

    “Calling the people of Maine nasty names probably is the the best way to gain support either.”  Really???  I suggest you look at your opening comment concerning the part of ugly gorilla….ayuh, that part.  I’m just saying….

  • kkmousse

    This is like baiting a fishhook. The positive being a national park and enviornmental protections for all wildlife. (the worm). The bad is limiting access to and giving contol to Washington (the hook). 
    But that giving of any of the State of Maine to the Federal Governement may be good in a short term. But just looking at the history of there control over other National Treasure may not be good.  They assess which are the best and those at the bottom of the list are treated differently when it comes to lack of funds.  Then there is the issue of leasing Federal Lands for exploritation of resources at the peril of the enviornment (wildlife or all types).
    Depending on who is in power.  so it is the liberals now and the conservatives do not like it.  But then they get into control the exploitation will begin like the Artice Wildlfe Reserve (for oil exploration ).  It makes no difference whose foot the shoe is on. Both sides have a plan it neither benefit the people of Maine in the long term.

  • Anonymous

    1) Quimby lied about the park on more than one occasion,,, let’s face it, She lies, And she even got Ken Salazar to lie about coming here

    2) If I used the same tactics on a politician I’d go to jail

    3) You think the majority of people support this— your right, you don’t think…

    4) As far as name calling, she is the fat cow that is calling us fat welfare cases

    .

  • Anonymous

    Can you name a reason as to why you would come to this area.  Other than a beautiful steam(Wassataquoik) and a bunch of tote roads.  There is no reason for you to come to this area.  You would have a better time snowmobiling, hunting for partridge and fishing for trout with a young child.  You could also watch men and women harvest the wood, to supply the LOCAL mills. 

    But you’d rather it seems have all the great people of this area become minimum wage earners.  If you want to see minimum wage earners go to the mall and ask how great it is to cater to tourist and the like.

    If you did come this area to hike, you’d never come back to it.  Because you wouldn’t appreciated it like those of us who grew up loving that area.

  • Anonymous

    Ever heard of “an eye for an eye” ? I know i’m not the only Mainer who believes in it…

  • Anonymous

    That’s awesome, I wish there was some proof of this… Just to throw it right back in her face would be amazing

  • Anonymous

    Is She Willing To Put It To A Vote Of Area Residents….?

  • http://twitter.com/DangYankee1969 Arthur Nickerson

    How is Ms. Quimby preserving the land? The only thing I am seeing is that she is cutting off all access to her property to all those who have actually preserved the land for generations. By doing so she is hurting the land more then helping it. For example: by cutting off access to hunters, the wild game population will rise in the short term, but in long term it has been proven that it will lead to disease and the complete devastation of the animal populations. Also the stopping the harvest of trees leads to loads of undergrowth and disease. Plus have you seen the forest fires in the news? That was caused by failed policies of stopping the controlled cutting of wood. 
      As far as the jobs issue, yes there would be maybe 25 Park ranger jobs created, but these are only Part-time for the most part, the same as in Acadia. We all would be better off if a strong industrial facility would come into our area. The paper industry is struggling to compete thanks to the federal government and the failed policies they have adopted in recent years. Our former governor wanted Maine to be a tourist destination, But can’t people see that tourism related jobs come and go with the economy? All you need to do is sit beside the toll plaza in York on Labor day and you can see all the tourism dollars go home. So why would any “sane” person want to base our entire existence on this type of economy? If Ms. Quimby is a “billionaire”, and wants to help the Maine economy, why doesn’t she start investing in an industry here that will preserve the land and the people who live here on it?  

  • Anonymous

    Right

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Keep dreaming

  • kkmousse

    I presented an argument above CantAfford2Retire, I feel that is the concern in a nutshell.  Roxanne seems to think that the people are ignorant of anything but thenselves. so she can talk about them, and down to them believing that they are just to stupid to know they are being insulted. 
    Well all her insults are heard loudly and I for one am discussed with her high attitude about the people of Maine.   I am not a Native Mainer but came here to retire.  I see some of Roxannes Concern. But her longterm goal is not to benefit the PEOPLE at all.
    Maine is a State full of potential and the people work hard to make a living. Sure costs of living here is high and resources are far away most of the time.  The people do their best to survive and still love the State they live in. 
    They have no problem with people from away coming to share in the beauties of this State.  But buying a chunk and using blackmail tactics to get your way.  Not listening to the voices of the people. 
    I have seen the moto “my way or the highway” in action for many many years and it is not based at all on working togather for a any common goal.  It is selfish and one sided!

  • Anonymous

    There is no “H” in RINO.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-LaFosse/100002856444136 John LaFosse

    I respect booth Quimby and Snowe. Maine as a welfare state isn’t far off nor is it insulting to ask for assistance when you need it. Welfare isn’t something to look down upon. Aside from the arguments, the old status quo isn’t functioning and a healthy change is needed and it at least being debated. The very nature of what we call “work” or “employment” in a computer revolution is being challenged. It is hard to predict a future when technology upgrades are happening every other day. Getting people back to work is a matter of listing what needs doing and setting up a fund to accomplish those goals even if it means an alternative currency that is local. As a gardener, I could think of 1,000 of jobs that need doing in the state that aren’t being done. Maine needs to invest in green jobs with the goal of zero emissions. If we take a look at the department of energy’s web site, a list of new technologies are within reach and if Maine obtains funding we can easily foresee a future of considerable less dependence on fossil fuels resulting in more time and energy spent on what we desire to do instead of working tirelessly simply to heat our homes and pay a mortgage.   Maine might be broke but a large public works effort could fuel green conservation jobs both in parks and local municipalities for the long term if the commodities and resources are accounted for and protected in an intelligent manner. I think dropping the us versus them football mentality is a step in making a situation win-win. I think a national park will in many ways add to Maine as a tourist spot and in the very least create a few jobs.

  • Anonymous

    Ban Liberals

  • Anonymous

    Explain the difference between a federal park and the current state park. Don’t get me wrong, Baxter does help with the regions economy but not at a level that even comes close to industry. Why would the same area only as a federal park generate more visitors? Katahdin is the main attraction in that area. Driving around in a federal park on the outskirts of Baxter doesn’t seem that appealing. Repeat visitors would be an issue.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KRFCVCJNGB7CHUXUY4ZJWQRTQI Ole Grizz

    Let’s talk about a few things Roxanne stated….
    (1)  Mainers gained weight along with the nation, as its self-reported obesity rate rose from 15-20 percent in 2000 to nearly 30 percent as of 2009, stated by the Maine CDC. Maine seeing the largest increase in a decade. Nine other states are in the same category but Maine is leading…
    The obesity rate is important because people who are obese have medical costs that average $1,429 more than those of normal weight, the CDC said. In 2008 dollars, medical costs associated with obesity were estimated at $147 billion.

    (2) Federal assistance: True…Maine has 47% of it’s people on some sort of Federal assistance with federal dolllars being used to take care of them and their families….The rest of us (53%) are paying their way….but yet Maine is the biggest whiner of Federal dollars being spent…..but 47% of them are right there the end of the month with their hands out….Thank You!

    (3) She is right that we along with the Canadians have depleted our natural resources by clear cutting practices and etc. in the past years…and now we don’t have a lot of the natural resources to take care of some of our mills and also keep our people working….which effect many ma and pop stores in rural Maine which is the back bone of our counties.

    Everything Quimby talked about is true….we should be talking about voting to have a national park or not too instead of getting on here is ridicuing people who don’t agree with us or who don’t agree with her ideas….put it to a Maine referendum and move on….Growing up is not easy in Maine….you have to have a work hard ethic, be sulfficient, creative, and work as a family and a team to make ends meet.

    What does Olympia Snowe know about Maine’s hard working people…she and her husband Jock are millioniers. Than she quotes Bath Iron Works as a substainable industry….well Olympia…not all Mainers work and travel from one of the largest counties east of the Mississippi (Aroostook County) Get real Olympia…that’s one county….what about the other 15 counties….Always some millioniare trying to tell us hard working people leaving in the ”REAL WORLD” here how to live our lives….Stay in Washington Olympia and keep rubbing noses with your rich friends…..Good Day! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6Q5B2HKBAM6MMYPBTWUJFDBNEA Lilham

    I am not one to leave negative comments, but, if this is what she thinks of “us,” then go back to where she came from. Also, let us consider the tax dollars that we lose for every property that goes into a park or into the land trusts that are now everywhere. This is costing the rest of us more than we already have. I am not against preserving land, owning land and doing what you want with it, but most of the time it is to get out of paying taxes. The rich get richer as usual.

  • Anonymous

    The more you talk, the more noble Quimby looks.  You’re an example of what she has to put up with.  

  • kkmousse

    I see what you are saying about if you own the land you can do what you like with it.  But she owns the land and wants to give it to the Federal Government with stipulations as to its future use.  Sure there are other venues for hunting and snowmobiling.  but they are shrinking up fast with posted signs. 
    RESTORE is of no benefit at all to PEOPLE and jobs for park rangers can dissappear when the money is tight and the park is closed. (It does happen alot lately).
    By allowing small areas to be placed in some type of protections and the ultimate goal is to interconnect all these small protected tracts of land.  That posses a concern to PEOPLE that LIVE in those areas.  Before you know it the fear I have heard voiced since moving here is that they want to turn Maine in to a Park (no stipulation as to the type that makes no difference.  People do not live in parks).  I thought they were just paranoid.  Well apparently they were telling the trueth and even though were have not fully approved the UN plan (it was signed by Bush I but has not been retified by Congress ei Global Warming). That plan is not just about Global Warming but a Earth Biosphere and Maine is to be a protected area like most of the Northeast and manyother states. 
    So even tho we have not signed off on this plan. There have been forces at work to impliment the goal to RESTORE Maine back to before people, Through many organizations that you do not think are connected (so you do not notice what is going on)
    Very interesting series in the Lincoln News the past month on Quimby vs Maine a 7 part series.  You should read it.

  • kkmousse

    No compomise here the decision is made and offered up, but there is no real effort at all to reach a joint dicision.  No discussion is listened to or even taken into consideration. 
    Is that a Negotiation?

  • kkmousse

    I just wonder where the polling was taken from Kennybunkport or Portland?

  • http://twitter.com/DangYankee1969 Arthur Nickerson

    How is a government contract “welfare” as you put it? Those men and women work hard to produce and rebuild items that Maine is known for world wide. Using your mentality, all people in Maine are welfare addicts. I would have to strongly disagree with you. I worked hard for over 25 years mostly in various parts of the construction industry. During these years I became totally disabled. I am on social security now, which by the way I paid into during those years. So it is definitively NOT welfare. So “afreeradical” I don’t know who you are or where you actually live, but until you get a clue why don’t you just join Ms.Quimby and leave. 
    ” Skowhegan Resident” I want to know what piece of technology or intellectual prowess that Ms. Quimby has created or helped in the creation of? So far all she has done is steal a company and sell it to an out of state company. Steve Jobs was a leader in multiple industries including FILM-PIXAR, and the compuret giant APPLE. When she does something to compare with this it WILL be news. Until then don’t compare her to that giant in industry. God Rest His Soul.

  • Anonymous

    I was trying to capture the right’s spirit, frequent spelling errors and all.

  • kkmousse

    I’m an Out Stater that moved here and I do not support this plan at all.  I am a Moderate Liberal with a conservative twist! 
    Even I see the low requard that Roxanne has for the people of Maine. she really must think they are stupid.
    Really why did she move Burt Bees from Maine in the first place.  That did not help the people of Maine when she did that.
    Sprucedweller keeps mentioning that she is a billonaire and that is how they are.  Well we do not need that attitude at all.  It stinks

  • kkmousse

    Only a fool would even listen to Rick Perry at all. He is a flim-flam artist!

  • Anonymous

    “How is a government contract “welfare” as you put it?”

    -Government money is welfare money.  Stolen from one person and given to another.  If these entities had to rely on private money then they would go under.  They are parasitic in nature by relying on government for their very existence.

    “Using your mentality, all people in Maine are welfare addicts”

    -And where did I state that?  A majority of them are.  It’s a statistical fact that Half of American households rely on some form of government money to survive.

    “I worked hard for over 25 years mostly in various parts of the
    construction industry. During these years I became totally disabled. I
    am on social security now, which by the way I paid into during those
    years. So it is definitively NOT welfare.”

    -Yeah and I’ve worked hard for 20 years and I’m not on the dole, besides you paid into it?  Wrong… you didn’t have a choice.  The money was stolen from you and spent somewhere else.  You can say you paid into it but that is semantics.  The government stole your money and spent it on other things, now you live off of money earned by someone else.  If that someone else stopped working you would get zilch…zero…nothing.  So sorry to say you got robbed and now live off of the backs of someone else.  You can try and pretend like it’s the money you “paid in” but it isn’t….it’s welfare.

    “So “afreeradical” I don’t know who you are or where you actually live,
    but until you get a clue why don’t you just join Ms.Quimby and leave. ”

    -Why do I have to leave?  Why don’t you leave and take the rest of the public dolers with you?  I want to stay here and turn Maine back into what it used to be a free, industrial rich place. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry, can you remind me who owns the land? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IKH3FE7I3EN7QUNWAMDMXF6WDI Asfas Asfassfd

    Maine is fat and out of shape!  Look at Roxanne.  At least she’s not lying.

  • Anonymous

    Umm…seems to me like they describe Maine pretty well…older and rounder…

  • Anonymous

    You obviously have a twisted concept of nobility, but you have that right in a free society to follow whatever fat cow you want— until it becomes a liberal socialistic nirvana.

    Beyond Quimby’s obvious bloated profile, my objection is not with her politics, not with her lies or blackmail—- my objection is the “fact” that this self immortalization is nothing more than “yet another” unfunded anchor of the liberal tax and spend administration.

    Oh yes, your answer is gut the military, like Clinton did to balance the budget— yeah, that worked real well…

    Or how about ObamaCare,,,, forced medical care, whether they like it or not-

    Or tax the rich,,, better include Quimby in that one, and yes I’d love to see her sweat-out an IRS audit

     

    .

  • Anonymous

    I don’t call Maine a welfare state even though I find there are way too many people on welfare or dependent on some kind of government handout. Also, I disagree with Roxanne Quimby’s proposal to convert more private land to government ownership. I don’t dislike her however for it. Instead of condemning people (i.e., “Ban Roxanne”) for expressing their ideas with sincerity we should be thankful for the free exchange of ideas that exists in our country. Why can’t we all get along?

  • Anonymous

    You really do not get how things work.  It is not just up to part of Maine to decide this issue. It affects more than the people in that area.  It is people like you who like to try and continue the “2 Maines” idea who are at the root of some of the problems.

  • Anonymous

    And not very smart.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, that was a good one!!!

  • Anonymous

    Yes, the comments have been there, and often, but some conveniently overlook those!

  • Anonymous

    Cecil is clever and smart……his comments never fail to be of interest.  He also has a way with words.

  • Anonymous

    that just goes to show you why Snowe must go …she doesn’t know what’s happening in Maine…plus her and her husband have allegedly  stolen millions from the US Government Dept of Education…and you want her representing Maine in the US Senate…Snowe is part of the problem in Washington-term limits for all-no special retirement packages

  • Anonymous

    Your crude language is immature and directly violates the code of this forum.  It also speaks to the quality of your arguments.

    It’s painful to hear you speak–and it embarrasses me, as a citizen of Maine, to hear you drag the discussion down so low.

  • Anonymous

    So Maine is dominated by healthy, young, thin working people?

  • Anonymous

    As far as crude, Quimby opened Pandora’s box, and before that her minion, including you, have done no different.

  • Anonymous

    He won’t……. but will ask you to list yours

  • Anonymous

    ther is a national wildlife refuge around loring afb. can’t fish, hunt, do anything .it employs 1 person …..

  • Anonymous

    same with the national wildlife refuge they put around loring afb..it employs 1 person seasonal

  • Anonymous

    if it sound too good to be true ……

  • Anonymous

    if it sound too good to be true ……

  • Anonymous

    they are suppose to print some more friday

  • Anonymous

    “She is right that we along with the Canadians have depleted our natural resources by clear cutting practices and etc. in the past years…”

    That is simply not true. The amount of trees in the state has increased over the decades. And the funny thing about clearcuts is that trees grow back in them.

  • me in me

    You are very demeaning to the people of this area.Why are you so ga-ga for Quimby ?. Is there something in this for you? Will you be visiting the Maine National Park on a regular basis? Will you get all of your friends to come visit the Maine National Park four or five times a year and drop their hard earned money on our trinkets?Do you even visit the area now? Yeah you’re generous you are!

  • me in me

    You are very demeaning to the people of this area.Why are you so ga-ga for Quimby ?. Is there something in this for you? Will you be visiting the Maine National Park on a regular basis? Will you get all of your friends to come visit the Maine National Park four or five times a year and drop their hard earned money on our trinkets?Do you even visit the area now? Yeah you’re generous you are!

  • me in me

    I think he just likes to see his rudeness in print. If he really thinks there will be a tourism stream, well, let him think so…..

  • me in me

    I think he just likes to see his rudeness in print. If he really thinks there will be a tourism stream, well, let him think so…..

  • Anonymous

    How many people visit Baxter each year, divide by two… barely attracts Mainers.

  • Anonymous

    How many people visit Baxter each year, divide by two… barely attracts Mainers.

  • Anonymous

    I think you are misreading my comments old chap. Someone said paper and timber companies were terrible and blah blah blah, I said that paper and timber allowed great access to their land and managed the forests properly. I also believe that property ownership is fine and well but beyond a certain point I do believe at will access should be mandatory. There is no reason someone should own 70k+ acres and be able to post it all. Especially so when they don’t even have a residence on the land. Beyond a certain point it is excessive and personal property isn’t personal. There is nothing ‘personal’ with that property to her. It belongs to her but it is so much land that it should belong to the people of Maine for use, without restriction beyond the first… 10000 acres to be generous.

  • Anonymous

    I resent that remark!

  • Anonymous

    Ah yes, that’s right – Roxanne Quimby does!

  • me in me

    BAN(gorian) ROXANNE !!

  • Anonymous

    Just because Quimby is negative and bitter towards her countrymen does not give us the right to take her land away.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not trying to win them over. The really closed minded never change thier minds on anything. They’ll never support a park, no matter what. Northern Maine has changed in the past 30 years and is changing even faster.  A park is just one small part of what northern Maine needs to thrive…. it’s not everything, but just a part of bigger whole. But those who think a couple of paper mills is all that area needs are simply confused, it’s a dying industry here.  

  • Anonymous

    RQ thinks Mom & Pop stores will flourish with a National Park. Exactly how do fat, drug using, welfare people run a business? I am sure the outa’ staters will shop at Cabelas or LL Bean on their way through to visit a National Park versus spending their dollars at the base of the Mountain.

  • Anonymous

    Nothing is a sure ‘source of income, this is capitalism afterall…….. – but Park Rangers rent homes, buy homes, food, gas, clothes ande cars just like real people. They spend their paychecks where they live.  How can that hurt the local economy?

  • Anonymous

    You are dead right on this one….neither she nor Collins are representing us in Congress. .both of them are out of touch.

  • Anonymous

    You got that right, pure hypocrasy. RQ gives then their own words back and they scream bloody murder. too funny

  • Anonymous

    Damn, Ole Grizz that was one fantastic piece…Kudos to you.

  • Anonymous

    The people of the State of Maine do want a park and when it is all said and done, it will be clear that the region doesn’t speak for the rest of us, and we will have another grand national park.

  • Anonymous

    What needs to be done to restore a robust, environmentally-sustainable, profitable, fair-wage forest products industry in Maine? Let’s do that. I just don’t see how a park is going to sustain the families in the area where it is intended to be located.

  • Anonymous

    We were once, before the school system got a hold on our kids.

  • Anonymous

    What does Baxter State Park have to offer? Been to Acadia many, many times and never tire of it.

  • Anonymous

    That certainty doesn’t describe Quimby

  • Shiretowner

    By YOUR definition :  get everyone OUT of the military, cause ALL military are paid with Government money and get government benefits, and government retirements all ‘stolen’ from your tax dollars to support a military supported by the government that you consider a welfare contractor.

  • Anonymous

    exactly this. This region offers nothing that is unique. Trees, dirt, some rivers and lakes. Every state on the Northeast, Southeast, Northwest and Midwest have some variation of this.

  • Anonymous

     Rags to Riches the American Dream

  • Shiretowner

    Hard, seasonal work for a handful of weeks isn’t what most Mainer’s want. I knew people from Northern Maine who would drive clear down to Cherryfield to rake berries -crazy- but good money since he was unemployed “for the season” from his primary work. There are no job perks, no personal benefits, etc that most working class people need and want. People want long term, gainful employment that gives them chances to expand into careers or at least a better standard of living. If you truly feel seasonal employment is so great, why aren’t you drifting thru the country hitting each state’s seasonal work periods and living the high life like the rest of the drifters that do so?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KRFCVCJNGB7CHUXUY4ZJWQRTQI Ole Grizz

    Josey_Wales….Your got about as much knowledge on this subject as the role Clint Eastwood did when he played Josey….Yest the amount of trees has increased….but these are planted trees in the clear cuts you speak of…..plus  it takes over 4o years in order for trees to grow enough before they can be tree harvested in Maine with the short growing season….not like down south where they grown year around…….40 years my friend….what do we do in the mean time whistle dixie….why has all the mills in Aroostook county closed and only a few are operating only half the time than they did in the past…plus look at the Millnocket Mills. Only a few are going to be started up….about the layoffs in the mills in Bucksport and Jay Maine…come on my friend…this is Ole Grizz who spends over 300 days in the woods guiding and see first hand how our forests have been decimated….Good Day!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KRFCVCJNGB7CHUXUY4ZJWQRTQI Ole Grizz

    Well my friend….your wrong…CDC nationally says there is only nine states that are more obese than Maine…..The nine states with obesity rates of 30 percent or more are Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Tennessee and West Virginia.
    This was a full page documnet recently in the Bangor Daily News my friend…and I found this out while I wasn’t calling anybody names….So have a nice day my friend…..

  • Anonymous

    ummmm….guess again….there is – you were correct fwteagles:

    rhi·no1    /ˈraɪnoʊ/ Show Spelled[rahy-noh] Show IPA
    noun, plural -nos, ( especially collectively ) -no. a rhinoceros.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, Ole Grizz, but you my friend are the misinformed one. It takes spruce and fir 20 to 25 years to become a useable pulp wood size. And as I stated before, there are far more trees now than 100 years ago.

    Unlike you, I will give you a source, not just my opinion.

    http://evergreenmagazine.com/magazine/article/Condition_and_Outlook_for_Maine_s_Spruce_fir_Forests_Aftermath_of_the_Spruce_Budworm_Epidemic.html

  • Anonymous

    Looks like someone has been getting censored

    I guess we are held to a different set of rules that Quimby is—-
    *She can call us fat old welfare cases, but we cannot state the obvious about her features
    *We cannot blackmail people, but she can
    *If we lie about a federal topic, we go to jail, but she doesn’t
    *Lets fact it, we don’t have the money to buy a sitting president, but she does

    Roxanne, you have a lot of money, and that might mean a lot to you, but if you took a poll in Northern Maine today, most would rather have a root cannel than have you as a neighbor….

    .     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q255WQVJTDKGY5HNDL5ZUCDFQI Rusty

    I agree……she pisses people off.     But……she does own the land, as I have said….what happens if she places a 20 foot high electric fence around all of her land?…..she can do it, she can afford it?…   Work with her, don’t call her names and demand her departure, that’s sophomoric at best.  As far as Senator Snowe’s office’s comment?…..what has she (the senator) offered in assistance?  Other than rhetoric, political promises, and no hope for the region…..I think Ms Quimby, though despised, should be addressed fairly.  I’m not a park advocate, nor am I an enviormentalist, but    it is what it is folks….get over yourselves. I find it interesting that the Bangor Daily News has emailed me indicating that their recent poll question is their attempt to get opinions on her proposal, when the question is “do you agree with Roxanne Quimby’s saying that Maine is a welfare state?”……..how in the lord’s name is that question going to provide information regarding her proposal;??? sheesh.

  • Anonymous

    With all due respect,  Ms. Quimby talks in cricles. One day she claims how much she wants to do this for the state. The next she is mad because she is not getting her way, and calls Mainers old, fat, and welfare cases. My father was a business man for over 60 years. He lived by a simple code in dealing with the many, many people he dealt with in his business. “Give a person enough time, and they will show you what they are really all about.” I think Ms. Quimby has shown us what she is really all about with her comments, and that doesn’t settle well with people. The park might be a good idea, so are a lot of other ideas, but if it’s not received well, it’s not going to fly.

  • Anonymous

    SpruceDweller,

    I understand your point of view and respect anyone’s opinion. I do have to say I don’t agree with the park and here is why. There is already a State park that houses a true gem (Mt Katahdin). This state park does create jobs on the state level and yes there are benefits to the local economy but not to the extent of other major national parks. Other than Katahdin and the surrounding smaller mountains there is not any additional draw. Her land doesn’t have some secret grand canyon or niagara falls to get the draw needed. In addition, that region experiences winter weather from October thru May. I do appreciate Baxter Park but I truly feel the draw to that park is limited because of the narrow woods roads,the continuous scenery isn’t there and it’s no more than a 4 month attraction. Another piece of land with rambling roads without much scenery will be that and I truly feel it wouldn’t get the repeat visitors like Acadia does for example. The park requires a complete package and it would never achieve that status. Land in this area is already open to public to roam the woods roads.   If she wants to preserve her land or donate it to part of Baxter so be it. A national park would not sustain itself.

  • Anonymous

    According to the CDC, Maine’s rate of obesity in 2010 was 26.8% (http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/trends.html) and the percent of people on Food Stamps was 18.2% (http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/02/02/some-43-million-americans-use-food-stamps/). Face the facts, Mainers are on average 29% more food insecure than the national average and about average for obesity.

  • Anonymous

    The jobs provided will be stable–not like when a private business pulls in and pulls out–a boom and bust chaos.********************************************
    The only jobs that fit your above description are those within the park perimeter….part-time seasonal rangers and maintenance staff, with a few permanent support staff for good measure.  Exactly how many “stable jobs” do you think a park will support?   Oh, wait, “stable jobs”…raking hay, cleaning stalls, shoeing….

  • Anonymous

    when you go to the bathroom, do you use paper or plastic?

  • yowsayowsa1

    NO PARK FOR Me.

  • yowsayowsa1

     You really don’t get how things work.
    I would have liked to have had a say on the new Bangor arena, because it will impact me up here in northern Maine.
     It’s not just up to part of Maine to decide THIS issue.
     It affects more than the people in YOUR area.

     There are two Maines.
     We’re glad you’re in Southern Maine.

     (Understand?)
     

  • yowsayowsa1

    NO PARK FOR Me.

  • Anonymous

    I’m making the assumption that locals will figure out ways to make money off of the tourist stream that will be generated by a National Park.
    **************************************************
    oh, right…$8. part-time seasonal TOURISM jobs—YAYYYYYYY!

  • Anonymous

    A park is just one small part of what northern Maine needs to thrive…. it’s not everything, but just a part of bigger whole.
    *****************************************************
    …a “bigger whole”…WHAT?

  • Anonymous

    Yeah that’s right, and take the cops with you too on your way out.

  • Anonymous

    Nothing is a sure ‘source of income, this is capitalism afterall…….. – but Park Rangers rent homes, buy homes, food, gas, clothes ande cars just like real people. They spend their paychecks where they live. How can that hurt the local economy?     
    ****************************************************
    …when they get laid off due to the poor economy, just like the private sector workers whose livelihoods will suffer if government takes another million acres of land out of production.

  • Anonymous

    The snowmobile club wants to use her land FOREVER in exchange for them to agree that a feasibility study is a good idea???? Who’s zoomin’ who?

    Here is the interview Quimby’s quotes were taken from:
    Maine vs Thoreau: The Roxanne Quimby Question? – Forbes

  • Anonymous

    Cecil is clever and smart……his comments never fail to be of interest. He also has a way with words.     
    ************************************************
    rah! rah! rah!   sis! boom! bah! 
    …so when in YOUR book does calling Mary Adams a “freakshow” suddenly become “a way with words”?  I would think that falls under “name-calling” and personal insults.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DTKESEJXAHGWJYWWMLONGTJTDM JohnM

    Of course she doesn’t!

  • Anonymous

    (Not that I matter.)
    *****************************
    awwwww…I think your significant other would disagree  ;-)

  • Anonymous

    If you actually intended to visit this park, you currently could have the exact same experience by visiting Baxter.     
    ***********************************************
    now, now,now….Bangorian says that this “new Federal Park” would have…..

                                        GLOSSY BROCHURES! 

  • Anonymous

    Who brought up the deal— It Was Quimby, not the club

    Quimby lies-
    Quimby browbeats-
    Quimby blackmails-
    Quimby calls Mainers fat & old,,,, she should talk-

    But Quimby can’t understand why we don’t like her,,,, I wonder why

    .

  • Anonymous

    I am told that the boycott is picking up more supporters

  • Anonymous

    Yes people are rude.

  • Anonymous

    lol…pot kettle (I have read some of your comments)
    Maybe Cecil could have expressed that a bit differently.
    But where are you when your conservative cohorts use insulting words (and often.)
    In fact (and sure you have not seen it….but of course if you did, you would pass right over it , no problem.) on a thread tonight, one of your conservative pals is referring to some demonstrators in Bangor today as a “freakshow”.
    Hmmm,,,,,that would be ok to you . Hypocrisy alive and well….

  • Anonymous

    I say let’s can Biden and put in RQ for VP.

  • Anonymous

     the fact that Maine has the highest percentage of elderly citizens in the U.S.
    ************************************************
    actually, the census determined Maine to be the “oldest” state in that our median age is 41 as opposed to other states whose median age is about 39.  You are correct in that it is due to our young adults leaving in droves for better employment elsewhere.  The state withthe highest percentage of elderly citizens is, by far, Florida with approx. 17% of their citizens being 65+.  In Maine, approx. 14% of our citizens are 65+.

  • Anonymous

    lol…pot kettle (I have read some of your comments)Maybe Cecil could have expressed that a bit differently.But where are you when your conservative cohorts use insulting words (and often.)In fact (and sure you have not seen it….but of course if you did, you would pass right over it , no problem.) on a thread tonight, one of your conservative pals is referring to some demonstrators in Bangor today as a “freakshow”.Hmmm,,,,,that would be ok to you . Hypocrisy alive and well….     
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    cher, YOU constantly harp on people who post rants and insults like Cecil Gray did, and now you are cheering him on!  That I point your actions out to you is HARDLY me (the pot) calling the kettle (you) black.  Also, seeing that I am not a “conservative”, I have no “conservative cohorts” to agree or disagree with.  In light of that fact, you should also realize that I don’t go around policing posters—I’m not a moderator nor a cheerleader.  Been busy working today—so I only had time to read this particular article.  I have yet to see anyone calling someone a “freakshow” with the exception of this particular article which is about Roxy, Olympia and Susan, not about a private citizen, Mary Adams.

  • Anonymous

    How about putting those acres into the National Forest system, instead, with a permanent protection for recreational vehicles on certain, designated trails? The Forest Service would oversee logging operations and the woods would continue to serve their dual purpose while being protected for conservation.     
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    Yes, if your REAL purpose is conservation of the land.  But she wants a legacy—it’s ALL about Roxy, now, ya know. Now, for all those who want to bash me—Roxy ADMITS she wants a NP to be HER LEGACY.

  • Anonymous

    Just because Quimby is negative and bitter towards her countrymen does not give us the right to take her land away.
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    ahhhh, no one is trying to take her land away….

  • Anonymous

    if selling land to roxanne quimby is bad for the lumber industry why do lumber companies keep selling her land?  

  • Anonymous

    that place is pretty busy in the winter.  i know people from florida who traveled up here to make the summit in winter (i thought they were crazy…but they hired a local guide to get them to the top).  also, have you been to the golden road in January?  the parking lot people use to access Baxter is full, albeit not like in the summer.

    i am not sure a national park is what we need, but we could spend better attention to market what we have already.

  • Anonymous

    I have a serious friendly amendment to Roxanne Quimby’s proposal to give land to the National Park Service. I propose she give the land to a cooperative trust comprised exclusively of Maine citizens. Under this proposal Quimby and the citizens of Maine would have a lot more say over how the land is used. The cooperative trust would be overseen by representatives elected from all groups of stake holders, but only those stake holders who are citizens of the State of Maine. Roxanne, you can put out that red light and give me the land. We’ll set up the incorporation such that I would provide final clarification of deadlocked or serious interests.

  • Anonymous

    Right…..the whole picture, the entire economic picture ….. a State park a national park, a paper mill, some lumber mills, etc….etc.  Millinocket’s downfall happened because it was dependent on the mills. Diversity is the key.

  • Anonymous

    Their livelihoods are hurting now with 99% of Northern Maine IN production. Your argument is emptyheaded and negative. 

  • http://twitter.com/DangYankee1969 Arthur Nickerson

    Because the other buyers of the lumber have been closed by the bad economy and the people who in years past would have bought the land are also suffering from the poor economy. The landowners that sell to Ms. Quimby don’t care who they sell to as long as they get their money.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t get it.

  • http://twitter.com/DangYankee1969 Arthur Nickerson

    I guess it will go to a vote of the people and when you “pro-parkers” lose you will see how the people of Maine feel. Like all Left winger though your side will just cry foul and say someone was unfair to your cause and keep bringing it up year after year.

  • http://twitter.com/DangYankee1969 Arthur Nickerson

    By the sound of what you say your not a “freeradical” your just another anarchist that has had too many run ins with hard working Americans. If you feel your tax dollars are “stolen” from you then just stop paying them. Oh yeah, if you do that you will be on “welfare” stamping out license plates in the federal pen. My tax dollars were not “stolen” they were freely given to pay for all the things that make America the country we all love. Yes, it does help pay welfare for those who need it. I don’t have any hard feelings about that. Many hard working people that fall onto hard times NEED the help. Plus many of those who use the DHS system get help to learn a trade through going to collage. Then they pay their share of the taxes. If you want an anarchist state then why don’t you just move to one.  Besides that, “welfare” is given to those who can’t or won’t work for one reason or another. Our military, those who work at the shipyards, and our police are not “welfare” recipients. They work hard and put their lives on the line for our(your’s and mine) lives. So that we can speak our minds( the first amendment). In an anarchist state your opinion may just cost you your life. In conclusion, if you don’t like the way you are living here, leave. It is just another right you have by being an American. 

  • Anonymous

    The context in which you are using RHINO is the wrong spelling for RINO. ( I assume you already know that RINO is really an acronym.) I will leave it to you to explain it to maginethat.  Look how maginethat went to the bother of explaining to me how rhino is spelled when it refers to the animal. Isn’t that special…..giving me a dictionary lesson? If you are trying to capture the “right’s” proclivity for spelling errors…..spelling RINO as RHINO isn’t an example of a spelling error. If you truly don’t know, when referring to a moderate Republican as a RHINO is actually spelled RINO….then go to google and type in the letters RINO and you will see how and why it’s an acronym.      

  • Anonymous

    That was tongue in cheek, did not say anyone was trying. Make something out of that.

  • Anonymous

    “By the sound of what you say your not a “freeradical” your just another
    anarchist that has had too many run ins with hard working Americans.”

    -What would you know about hard work?  You admit you are living off of the backs of us who actually do work…oh that’s right…you got “hurt” so that’s your ticket to easy street. 

    ” Oh yeah, if you do that you will be on “welfare” stamping out license
    plates in the federal pen. My tax dollars were not “stolen” they were
    freely given to pay for all the things that make America the country we
    all love.”

    -Love?  Like a police state welfare state?  Yeah keep waving the red, white and blue…Americas days are numbered and I can’t wait for the collapse.

    ” Yes, it does help pay welfare for those who need it. I don’t have any
    hard feelings about that. Many hard working people that fall onto hard
    times NEED the help. Plus many of those who use the DHS system get help
    to learn a trade through going to collage.”

    -Then you go ahead and pay away.  I’ll keep my money and give it the charity of my choice.  Deal?

    “If you want an anarchist state then why don’t you just move to one.”

    -Please tell me where there is one.  If you want a police/welfare state there are plenty already set up.  Iran?  Cuba?  Pack your bags statist and hit the bricks!  Later!  I’ll stay here and keep trying to turn America back into a free country.

    “”welfare” is given to those who can’t or won’t work for one reason or another”

    -hahahahaha!  You are a joke.  Welfare is stolen from someone who earned it and given to a layabout baby factory in a trailer park somewhere.

    “Our military, those who work at the shipyards, and our police are not
    “welfare” recipients. They work hard and put their lives on the line for
    our(your’s and mine) lives.”

    -That is nothing but propaganda garbage.  No soldier or cop has ever put their life on the line for me.  That is war mongering propaganda and statist lies.  They don’t fight for freedom.  Cops and soldiers are hired thugs who fight for their government and mindlessly obey all orders given to them without thought to morality.  They are no different than the strong men in the mafia.

    “In an anarchist state your opinion may just cost you your life. In
    conclusion, if you don’t like the way you are living here, leave. It is
    just another right you have by being an American.”

    You know nothing about anarchy or freedom.  You have been brainwashed.  If you want a statist society then take a hike to Iran.  YOU leave.  I’ll stay behind and try to turn this country back to what our founders intended.  A free society….

  • Anonymous

    LOL, we’re going to pretend now that misspelling an acronym doesn’t constitute a spelling error? You’re really capturing the right’s spirit by spouting falsehoods. Great job!

  • Anonymous

    You absolutely can use it, you just cant hunt or ride your ATV on it. 

  • Anonymous

    She don’t want to take that away, She has stated many times that she is willing to deed land to the state for  ATV and and Snowmobile use that can never be taken away and that all clubs wouldn’t have to worry where the trail is from year to year. 

    She has also stated in public that she would purchase another 70,000 acres on the east side of the river for traditional use and sound forestry practice. 

    Roxanne has not installed many gates, most if not all of these gates were there when the former owners were cutting it, many days these were closed to the general public, Prior to the Gardner and Haynes company buying these lands the vast majority of it had no access to it at all. The road was open from Mattagamon down to Whetstone for a few short years when it was connected through logging, but that had gates also. As far as the road being torn up, most of it was washed out and she chose not to repair it, you can ask anybody that knows that section of road that it was in sad shape.

    The proposed NP is a very small area, doesn’t anyone think that the NP status would only enhance the snowmobiling, ATV, hunting and other opportunities of the area?  

  • Anonymous

    Parts of it are posted to no hunting, no atvs and no snowmobiles, other than that it is open to whoever wants to use it. Hec she even allows you to ride through allot of it in your vehicle. People don’t realize that about 80% of the land she has bought has not had any roads on it for the last 60 years, up until about 10 to 12 years ago you could only walk or possibly take an ATV or a sled down some old trail that was all grown in, and very few did that.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s your quote: “Otherwise, she is a RHINO with a bad dye job and stuff.” 
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     If you mean to describe Olympia Snowe as a massive horned animal, then your spelling of RHINO is correct.  If your intention to label her in the political genre as a RINO….then you need to “omit” the “H”. If you truly were describing her as a massive horned animal…then you include the “H” = Rhino. The political label…RINO….means Republican In Name Only. I somehow knew I would have to SPELL (pun intended) it out for you.

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    Olympia dyes her hair (I guess) but it wouldn’t be considered a “bad” dye job. And what do you mean by stuff?  What is her “stuff” …. in your opinion? 

  • Anonymous

    Here some news for ya, The Nature Conservancy pays no tax on their land, Roxanne legally doesn’t have to pay any tax on hers either but she does. Land that is set aside for conservation is exempt. By the way her tax bill last year was 92,000. 

  • Anonymous

    The same way we pay for all the other parks in other states, some states have multiple.

  • Anonymous

    It did up until 10 years ago.

  • Anonymous

    I was told 7 years ago by some very powerful people in Washington that with in 10 years the mills will be on there way out and a NP will be well on its way. And no It wasn’t any of the for that represents us.

  • Anonymous

    I think he was referring to entrepreneurs that would be hiring the 8 to 10 dollar an hour people.

  • Anonymous

    Their livelihoods are hurting now with 99% of Northern Maine IN production. Your argument is emptyheaded and negative.     
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    Actually, their livelihoods aren’t “hurting”…they are still in their homes, still have their modes of transportation, etc.  But YOUR “solution” of turning up to 3 million acres of this productive forest over to the federal govt. to ‘preserve’ for a couple dozen Park Rangers to rent out homes, because by golly, THAT will absolutely SAVE Maine—-THAT argument is emptyheaded and negative.

  • Anonymous

    I think he was referring to entrepreneurs that would be hiring the 8 to 10 dollar an hour people.     
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    ….and would that be YOU or one of the 1%’ers?  I guess the Pelletiers could open another restaurant…or Matt Polstein could expand River Drivers or the camps….

  • Anonymous

    Medway has voted, The other two towns wont, because the minority is scared of what the majority will say.

  • Anonymous

    my apologies—I thought about that after I posted…she IS negative and bitter though, isn’t she?

  • Anonymous

    if you think so

  • Anonymous

    If the rich pay their fair share, huh 50% of Americans pay no taxes. In fact they get back more than they paid in.

  • Anonymous

    More like the people that used to by it don’t want it know because it has been liquidated of all its marketable lumber, and they have already done to there land the same thing, and they all know soon enough it will  all be done.

  • Anonymous

    Right…..the whole picture, the entire economic picture ….. a State park a national park, a paper mill, some lumber mills, etc….etc. Millinocket’s downfall happened because it was dependent on the mills. Diversity is the key.     
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    ahhhh, Millinocket is dependant upon manufacturing AND tourism.  When manufacturing drops, they only have tourism to rely on.  Tourism is a service-based industry.  It doesn’t pay that “liveable wage” you and people like you are always whining about.  A government job produces nothing and is not self-sustaining.  Manufacturing (including farming) takes a land-based commodity that costs little, and produces a product that people need or want, and the sale of that product produces a profit to the manufacturer.  To have true economic prosperity, we need to increase our manufacturing base.  Tourism does not produce a profit—it just passes the same amount of money around from one place to another and eventually to the govt.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not spouting falsehoods.(what falsehoods?)  I’m merely trying to educate you on the meaning of contextual circumstances concerning RHINO or RINO. Aren’t you a fan of “learning something new everyday”?

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