Federal official says Mainers would determine scope of Quimby’s national park

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Interior Secretary Ken Salazar takes question from people gathered at Stearns High School in Millinocket on Thursday, Aug. 18, 2011 concerning the proposed national park in the north woods of Maine.
Interior Secretary Ken Salazar takes question from people gathered at Stearns High School in Millinocket on Thursday, Aug. 18, 2011 concerning the proposed national park in the north woods of Maine.
Mike Mayhew of Boothbay Harbor, right, argues the merits of having a national park in northern Maine with Millinocket resident Jim Busque, left, in front of Stearns High School in Millinocket on Thursday, Aug. 18, 2011 before Interior Secretary Ken Salazar was to hear public comment on the proposed park.
Mike Mayhew of Boothbay Harbor, right, argues the merits of having a national park in northern Maine with Millinocket resident Jim Busque, left, in front of Stearns High School in Millinocket on Thursday, Aug. 18, 2011 before Interior Secretary Ken Salazar was to hear public comment on the proposed park.

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MILLINOCKET, Maine — Federal feasibility studies recommend against 50 percent of the proposed parks they study, and the dimensions of Roxanne Quimby’s proposed North Woods National Park would be controlled by laws and legislatures, not bureaucrats bent on controlling northern Maine, the federal government’s top land manager said Thursday.

Speaking occasionally and more often listening to more than 300 people at Stearns High School’s auditorium, U.S. Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar refuted criticisms that Quimby’s proposal would grow beyond 70,000 acres if it became a reality and that a park feasibility study would be guaranteed to find in favor of a park.

Salazar promised that Mainers would be the primary arbiters deciding the shape and size of any park they might opt to pursue. Maine’s federal delegation and other legislators, among others, would not allow it to be otherwise, he said.

“We,” he reminded the audience, “are a nation of laws.”

Quimby’s proposal was the subject of two lively meetings Thursday. About 70 people attended a town meeting at Medway Middle School about 2½ hours after the Stearns gathering in which residents voted 46-6 to support a feasibility study of Quimby’s proposal.

Medway residents join their Board of Selectmen, School Committee, and several Katahdin region civic and business organizations in supporting a study. Maine’s two Republican senators, the state Legislature, the Millinocket Town Council, Maine Snowmobile Association, Maine Woods Coalition and the Millinocket Fin and Feather Club oppose or are skeptical about Quimby’s plan.

Salazar visited Stearns as part of his multiday tour of Maine and New England to discuss and gather feedback on Quimby’s proposed gift to the federal government of 70,000 acres she owns adjoining Baxter State Park. He came to town, he said, to hear directly from people who might be affected if a national park was created.

The meeting was a feisty give-and-take session, with Salazar and National Park Service Director Jon Jarvis seeking statements and questions from park proponents and opponents alternately. Salazar also fielded direct challenges from residents, including Town Councilor David Cyr, a leading opponent of the parks initiative.

Cyr told Salazar that he would want “to have the federal government leave the area,” describing Millinocket “under attack by the threat of a national park” for 10 years.

Cyr said that years ago, a federal agency meddling in Millinocket paper mill operations cost it financing for a rebuild of its No. 11 paper machine and eventually led to or contributed to the loss of mill owners’ possession of the 19 hydroelectric dams.

Salazar didn’t answer Cyr’s claims about federal agency meddling, but said he came to the meeting out of respect for all opinions, including Cyr’s.

“If there is something that we can do in partnership then I want to take a genuine look at it,” Salazar said, drawing applause from the audience.

Earlier in the meeting, responding to criticism that he or the federal government had been ignoring Millinocket or local residents, he said: “I invited myself. Nobody invited me.”

“It was my decision to come here because I wanted to listen to the people of this area,” Salazar said. “My being here is to be a part of whatever process we ultimately undertake.”

“There will be nothing done with this process that does not include the people in this region,” he added.

He said repeatedly that as a member of President Barack Obama’s cabinet and as a private citizen raised in one of Colorado’s poorest communities, local communities, their desires and cultural heritage are very important to him.

The federal government, Salazar said, could do two types of studies of the park proposal. A reconnaissance study would do a basic appreciation of the park landscape and cost $25,000. Salazar could order it himself. The other, what is referred to as a feasibility study, would require congressional approval and take many years to complete, he said.

Like Salazar, Quimby, who attended the Medway meeting, took some direct challenges from residents. She said that she opted to offer her land to the federal government because the parks service has the best track record.

“In spite of the fact that they keep taking budget cuts every year, you still get a great experience,” Quimby said, adding that the parks service “has withstood the test of time. It certainly has changed, but you can still get [a good experience] from visits to parks.”

An elderly man who stood up to address her from the middle school’s gymnasium stands said he simply didn’t trust Quimby to keep the park at 70,000 acres.

“I watch the news, I read the newspapers, and I don’t know why anybody would want to give anything to the federal government,” the man said.

“I am going to stand up for America,” Quimby answered. “We live here and we are the federal government. We are Americans. This is our country and I believe that if there are problems, let’s fix them. Let’s not sit on the sidelines grousing about them.”

Cheryl Russell, president of the Lincoln Lakes Region Chamber of Commerce and a Millinocket native, challenged Salazar’s assertion that a Colorado national park had co-existed well with that state’s forest products industry.

A member of a three-generation logging family, Russell described the logging permitting process within national parks as “insurmountable, undependable. To say that a logging community can coexist with a national park, that was not my experience.”

“We have the talent to do that with the talent of this room without a national park. We just have to work together,” Russell added.

Many national parks, Salazar said, feature mixed uses, such as hunting, snowmobiling, logging and ATV riding, not seen in the stereotypical park. A feasibility study and subsequent work would allow residents near the park to shape the park’s offerings to provide their communities with the greatest economic benefits, he said.

Several residents at the Medway and Millinocket meetings said it was ludicrous to not support a feasibility study, as the study would provide answers to important questions.

“What,” said Buzz Caverly, retired director of Baxter State Park, “are you people afraid of? To ask a question, to get an answer that it will be feasible or not?”

They also said that with the area’s unemployment rate hovering at 21.8 percent and the East Millinocket and Millinocket mills shuttered, Quimby’s gift was priceless and should be seized as an economic lifeline.

State Sen. Doug Thomas, R-Ripley, strode to the microphone during the Medway meeting and challenged assertions made by Quimby and her land manager, Mark Leathers. He accused both of vastly underestimating the economic impact of taking land out of forestry use. He said of her 70,000 acres, “There is nothing special about this land.”

“There is no Grand Canyon, no Mount Katahdin on it,” Thomas said, adding that he suspected that the park would draw few visitors given the millions of acres around it that private owners already allow residents to use.

“I don’t buy the economic benefits” of a national park, Thomas said. “I think at the very least we should wait until we know what is going to happen with the mills in Millinocket.”

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  • Anonymous

    Not sure where he was counted, but opponets of the park seemed to outnumber proponets by a fairly good margin. I guess we should of taken a head count. The Interior Secretary gave a great meeting though, and was informative. Though one comment in particular said she was giving it to the residents of the State of Maine, when she is giving it to the control of the Federal Government.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I said it before, but anyone who lives in Steven King country ought to know better than to invite a vampire into the house.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I said it before, but anyone who lives in Steven King country ought to know better than to invite a vampire into the house.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I said it before, but anyone who lives in Steven King country ought to know better than to invite a vampire into the house.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I said it before, but anyone who lives in Steven King country ought to know better than to invite a vampire into the house.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I said it before, but anyone who lives in Steven King country ought to know better than to invite a vampire into the house.

  • Anonymous

    “Many residents remain fearful that the federal government’s ownership of land would hurt the local economy by placing restrictions on logging and other industries.”

    What economy are these residents referring to?  Always the questions but never the answers. I think the natsayers need a new arguement. Twenty plus percent unemployment is not a thriving economy a park would hurt.

  • Anonymous

    Well to those that are still believing the story that you can’t have a mill within 100 miles of a National Park.  I guess that story doesn’t hold water anymore since there are regulations on the books since the 1990′s REGULATING THE PAPER MILLS WITHIN NATIONAL PARKS! Since BDN frowns upon putting links in here just google  Regional Haze Rule! It took me about 10 mins to find it. 

  • Anonymous

    “Cheryl Russell of Chester told Salazar that she worked for a logging company in Montana and said the industry was devastated by the proximity to Glacier National Park.”

    Was Ms. Russell really alive and working for a Montana logging company in 1910 when Glacier was created? If so she has got to be one of the oldest people on earth. I hope she didn’t tell anyone at the meeting she was from out of state!!!

  • Anonymous

    “Cheryl Russell of Chester told Salazar that she worked for a logging company in Montana and said the industry was devastated by the proximity to Glacier National Park.”

    Was Ms. Russell really alive and working for a Montana logging company in 1910 when Glacier was created? If so she has got to be one of the oldest people on earth. I hope she didn’t tell anyone at the meeting she was from out of state!!!

  • Anonymous

    I’d suggest any camp owners or snowmobilers, hunters ect… against the idea to email mr. Salazar and let your feeling be known. The more letters the better. Also an email to Collins and Snow opposing it may be a good idea as well.

  • Anonymous

    I already beat you to it. I’ve already wrote Collins and Snowe, thanks for reminding me to write Ken  Salazar. Cannot wait for the new park’s creation. I think you to will be pleasantly surprized as well.

  • Anonymous

    It appears that the opponents were locals, while the proponents were from places such as Boothbay Harbor. Telling. 

  • Anonymous

    Got a question maybe somebody can answer for me.  This land that Quimby has boarders Baxter State Park correct?   If this goes through and a National Park is created will Baxter become part of it?  If not I don’t see what the draw will be that will draw people to the NP.  Most parks have a crown jewel.  Don’t get me wrong the Penobscot is nice and all, but small rivers don’t draw people.  I love the woods, but the tourist necessary to make a go of it won’t be impressed.

  • Anonymous

    If ” foxy roxy” wants us to believe her then give the snowbile clubs,hunters and fisherman uninhibited  and permanent access in writing. 

  • Anonymous

    Not all proponents are from away. There were a lot of business owners from the towns there as well as other residents that support doing the study.

  • Anonymous

    Senator Thomas made a point of introducing all the council members from Millinocket along with Gene Conologue, Herbie Clark, Steve Stanley and Mark Marston to Mr Salazar and Mr Jarvis….Yet didn’t bother to introduce them to the Chairman of the board of selectmen, Bruce Cox, of Medway or Phil Perkins who is a selectman in Medway or Greg Stanley who is Chairman of the Medway School Board. Why is that? Because Medway SUPPORTS the park while the others don’t? That was my impression and others felt that way too in talking with them after the meeting.

    Then Councilman Madore told Salazar that not one political body, federal, state or local supports this park. Yet Medway’s selectmen and school board have both voted in favor of a feasibility study. I also wanted to as Mr Madore if we should close the US Postal service because they hemorrhage money by the bucket load.

    Then David Cyr stood up and said that the whole National Park thing is why the schools couldn’t consolidate when we were going through the AOS process!!! WHAT??? I went to the AOS meetings in East and Medway and not once did anything about a national park come up then. It wasn’t even a blip on the radar at that time!

    It is those kinds of ‘facts’ that are NOT FACTS at all. They need to stop spreading untruths. I can’t believe that elected officials would put things out there that can be proved false. I thought they and a few others in the audience were extremely disrespectful. It was not the way to represent the area to these people!

  • yowsayowsa1

     The draw wil be the enormity of a 3.2 million acre eco-preserve that WILL be created from this “anchor park”.

     NO PARK FOR ME.

  • Anonymous

    There were many of us Millinocket Town residents in the building along with Mr. Salazar. many of us were also at the Medway meeting where we herd David Dickie chastize the Millinocket councilors for attempting to speak for everybody in the area. David Dickie  stated that the Medway selectmen were in favor of a feasibility study. Then we saw the residence of Medway vote 4o in favor of a feasibility study. While there were only six votes against the feasibility study. I wonder who the Millinocket Town councilors are getting their local information from. The women speaking for the Forestry association who admitted she was living in Colorado her statement was ” we have the talent to promote the area all we have to do is work together. My question to her and the town council is. When it comes to promoting the area recreation possibilities that you claim can be done without the National Park branding. Where have you been for the last forty years. I’ll tell you. You have fought river rafting you have fought Baxter park. you even fought cleaning up the air in town. You have fought cleaning up the rivers below the mills. All this while your local three generations of logging families were off fighting for their logging interest in Colorado    

  • Anonymous

    You know that will never happen.  It’ll be the same old argument(s).   Someone commented that they didn’t want low paying jobs in the area.  It seems to me that any job, whether lower paying or not, would be better than no job or having to drive to Bangor and beyond for work.  With no guarantees that the pay would be any higher.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget they fought Matt Polstein and his Hamond ridge project too! For tourism? I think not!

  • Anonymous

    Thank you Secretary Salazar for traveling all the way to northern Maine to hear our voices. You are a remarkable, caring and decent person. Some of us may have been rude, please forgive us. We are honored by your attention and open minded discourse.

  • Anonymous

    I would love to hear Steven King’s thought on the proposed National Park.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FUZCZRE3ELLG2BJSR32LNHHZDY Ralph

    I remember some of Quimby’s earlier remarks regarding her “gift” and her plan then was much larger. This is no gift. This is all about her desire to leave a mark and be remembered. Baxter gave us a gift. Roxanne is simply lying about her motives and using us to achieve her personal goals.

  • Anonymous

    Given a chance, Obama and the Feds will stick their nose just as far into this as they can. Give them an inch and they will take a mile.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Hosebeast/100002095287763 Regina Hosebeast

    You folks in Millinocket have your heads up where the sun doesn’t shine. The mills are DEAD. You have no manufacturing. You failed to lure Chinese students to your high school. David Cyr is not helping you; he can’t because you have nothing to offer to anyone and will become even more of a liability to the rest of us working taxpayers. You resist Quimby’s proposals and demonize her, yet she made the her fortune HERE and had the good sense to leave.

    Epic fail on your part. The only thing you have is being the southern gateway to Baxter. Maybe you can start yet another  reality series to survive but I doubt it. You just don’t matter anymore.

  • Anonymous

    Old babbling boomers,,,  Councilmen with protest signs,  That always looks so professional. Leave the national debt clock at home. Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions. Albert Einstein

  • Anonymous

    No, their were some that were from the area, and quite a few imports.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe because they were not in the same area. A school board in general does not hold weight on theses issues. They should be more concerned with school issues. They are closing some post offices and stamps no doubt willb e going up. How did you know Medway supports the part, prior to the meeting,  because the school board said so?

  • Anonymous

    46 wow that is the whole town of Medway. Where did Millinocket say they were speaking for the area. Information is coming the NPS and several conservation sites. Fought  Baxter Park for what? You know if it had not been for one particular fight, Maine residents would be paying to go for a ride in the park. Have you ever read Gov. Baxters Deeds of Trust,if not you should. Who know is spouting accusations that are not true!

  • Anonymous

    40 residents wow Medway sure has grown.

  • Anonymous

    I do not think  I will be around when it happens.

  • Anonymous

    Leave the National Debt Clock at home? No wondere we are in the mess we are.

  • Anonymous

    Buzz Caverly, just look what he destroyed in the park,

  • Anonymous

    because the selectmen voted on it! They usually listen to their constituents and do as directed by townspeople who attend meetings or make a point of contacting them.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been very involved in Baxter Park in the past. Attended their meetings in the Park, read the history of Gov Baxter. His park was not well received when it was first being done either and now look at it.

  • Anonymous

    That is the big question isnt it. There is no huge draw other than some views of Khatadhin and the Travelers which are in another park. The East Branch is beautiful but it is not going to draw millions of visitors. Over and over we hear it wont grow beyond 70,000 acres but then the views and attractions that are described are outside of this specific area.

    If she wants it protected why not give it to BSP. She says she see’s the federal government as being the best option. WHY! Why not add it to Baxter? Are they destroying the wildlife and forest on the other side of the line? Better yet put it into the experimental forest and let it make money, attract tourist and sportsmen. RQ can use her 40 Million to advertise the area.

    Oh thats right how would you then expand to 3.2 million acres. Foolish me.

  • Anonymous

    I as well wrote to them all. And the parks NEVER happening.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve never been INVOLVED with anything in your life. I took the time to check your credentials this week. You have NONE.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve never been INVOLVED with anything in your life. I took the time to check your credentials this week. You have NONE.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Ya.

     Another Hollywood “expert” to listen to.

  • Anonymous

    If you didnt like the way it was handled then stay then move here and run for office yourself. I’m no so sure what you say holds much weight up here. Unfortunatly people know you.

  • Anonymous

    If you didnt like the way it was handled then stay then move here and run for office yourself. I’m no so sure what you say holds much weight up here. Unfortunatly people know you.

  • Anonymous

    Does Snow and Collins know about the threats of blocking snowmobile trails that Miss Queen Bee made against the Maine Snowmobilers Association? Maybe it’s time all the snowmobile enthusiest email her and let her know. Heavy handed tactics by a  ruthless, bigheaded, know whats good for us person shouldnt sit to well with our senators.

  • Anonymous

    Slazar claims he wasnt invited up here by Quimby is a LIE. He’d never heard of Millinocket until he ment her. Typical Washington attitude. Lie through your teeth they’ll never know. And for Buzz if your reading. You were hated b y your employees, you ran the park like it was your own, and NO ONE here misses you.

  • Anonymous

    I think any form of employment is better than none as well. Are the opponents to the park mostly retirees who just want to keep the status quo? I suppose there are a few higher ups from the mill as well hoping to get another “well paying job” when the mills make their hopeful return. It is sad that they want to give everyone else the short end of the stick. From what I’ve read though 70% of all Mainers want a park, I don’t think a portion of one small town can ruin it for everyone else in the region and state. 

  • Anonymous

    I think any form of employment is better than none as well. Are the opponents to the park mostly retirees who just want to keep the status quo? I suppose there are a few higher ups from the mill as well hoping to get another “well paying job” when the mills make their hopeful return. It is sad that they want to give everyone else the short end of the stick. From what I’ve read though 70% of all Mainers want a park, I don’t think a portion of one small town can ruin it for everyone else in the region and state. 

  • Anonymous

    I think any form of employment is better than none as well. Are the opponents to the park mostly retirees who just want to keep the status quo? I suppose there are a few higher ups from the mill as well hoping to get another “well paying job” when the mills make their hopeful return. It is sad that they want to give everyone else the short end of the stick. From what I’ve read though 70% of all Mainers want a park, I don’t think a portion of one small town can ruin it for everyone else in the region and state. 

  • Anonymous

    I think any form of employment is better than none as well. Are the opponents to the park mostly retirees who just want to keep the status quo? I suppose there are a few higher ups from the mill as well hoping to get another “well paying job” when the mills make their hopeful return. It is sad that they want to give everyone else the short end of the stick. From what I’ve read though 70% of all Mainers want a park, I don’t think a portion of one small town can ruin it for everyone else in the region and state. 

  • Anonymous

    I think any form of employment is better than none as well. Are the opponents to the park mostly retirees who just want to keep the status quo? I suppose there are a few higher ups from the mill as well hoping to get another “well paying job” when the mills make their hopeful return. It is sad that they want to give everyone else the short end of the stick. From what I’ve read though 70% of all Mainers want a park, I don’t think a portion of one small town can ruin it for everyone else in the region and state. 

  • Anonymous

    Thanks SassyJenn. It is great to hear those kind of facts you don’t read about in the article. It is sad how the naysayers are trying too hush up all other voices of reason who don’t agree with them. Like the phantomgourmet said be sure to write to our senators and Mr. Salazar! I know I will be writing today.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks SassyJenn. It is great to hear those kind of facts you don’t read about in the article. It is sad how the naysayers are trying too hush up all other voices of reason who don’t agree with them. Like the phantomgourmet said be sure to write to our senators and Mr. Salazar! I know I will be writing today.

  • Anonymous

    i agree with regina, although i might have said it a bit differently.

    times, they are a changing.  the new economy is about a life time of learning and an attitude of adaptability.  this applies to people, businesses and governments.  

  • Anonymous

    i agree with regina, although i might have said it a bit differently.

    times, they are a changing.  the new economy is about a life time of learning and an attitude of adaptability.  this applies to people, businesses and governments.  

  • Anonymous

    i agree with regina, although i might have said it a bit differently.

    times, they are a changing.  the new economy is about a life time of learning and an attitude of adaptability.  this applies to people, businesses and governments.  

  • Anonymous

    i agree with regina, although i might have said it a bit differently.

    times, they are a changing.  the new economy is about a life time of learning and an attitude of adaptability.  this applies to people, businesses and governments.  

  • Anonymous

    The  councilman brought up the national debt! Man ‘O man, that is rich. Twenty plus percent unemployment which I am sure is really actually higher when you get down to it. How many of the town has had to resort to applying for TANF, food stamps and LIHEAP? I don’t begrudge them for this. These are tough times but saying you can’t afford a park that is donated is insane.  Quimby is giving an extra 40 million to run it. When so many are creating national debt by their unemployment this is unconscionable. I am not being mean here but the last man to speak out against the park on the video didn’t look like he even took the time to sober up for the meeting.  His arguement about traditional uses was out there. He just wants her land, which she bought with money she made, so he and his sons can hunt…that is more socialist in principle than donating a park.  I’m sorry even if the land was given just for tradition local fun use, what money would any of Millinocket have to enjoy it? Well I am sure there are a few retirees and some loggers who would. I guess you would say to hell with everyone else.

  • Anonymous

    Very good point.  BTW, what is the status of the mills?  Wasn’t July 29th the deadline?  I have not seen anything in the news or missed it.  What, if anything, is happening?

  • Anonymous

    There, now you can go on about your day feeling like the “big” person you think you are because you have personally attacked someone else and you feel so good about yourself.

  • Anonymous

    How exactly do you have the ability to check up on SassyJenn’s credentials? I would like to know the phantomgourmet—I sure hope you are not in law enforcement, you could get yourself into trouble. Big trouble. You really have nothing better to do than to vet people on the BDN message board? You think that is an Ok thing to do because you disagree with them? It is not in case you were not sure.

  • Anonymous

    I see instead of wheaties for breakfast you belittle people…… I am pretty sure that nobody from here would miss you if you stopped posting your ridiculous personal attacks online. You give honest people with honest opinions a bad name by the rhetoric you spew here daily. 

  • Anonymous

    I see….now that you have bullied a few people online you are feeling so “big” that you believe you have enough influence to make a statement like that.

  • Anonymous

    Nick Simbides must love negative controversy as he writes precious little about those who were in favor of gathering the facts –which were most in Medway and at least half in Millinocket.  Horribly, horribly one sided story –this from someone who attended both meetings.  The vote in Medway from Medway citizens in support of a study was nothing short of  historic.  Poor reporting, Nick!  Focus on both sides of the story — it’s your job!

  • Anonymous

    when did King move to Hollywood?

  • Anonymous

    How exactly do you have the ability to check up on SassyJenn’s credentials? I would like to know the phantomgourmet—I sure hope you are not in law enforcement, you could get yourself into trouble. Big trouble. You really have nothing better to do than to vet people on the BDN message board? You think that is an Ok thing to do because you disagree with them? It is not in case you were not sure.

  • Anonymous

    How exactly do you have the ability to check up on SassyJenn’s credentials? I would like to know the phantomgourmet—I sure hope you are not in law enforcement, you could get yourself into trouble. Big trouble. You really have nothing better to do than to vet people on the BDN message board? You think that is an Ok thing to do because you disagree with them? It is not in case you were not sure.

  • Anonymous

    How exactly do you have the ability to check up on SassyJenn’s credentials? I would like to know the phantomgourmet—I sure hope you are not in law enforcement, you could get yourself into trouble. Big trouble. You really have nothing better to do than to vet people on the BDN message board? You think that is an Ok thing to do because you disagree with them? It is not in case you were not sure.

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t heard anything on the news either. Time is running out- (ran out?). I think there is a good reason why the Governor LePage hasn’t come out against the park. With no deal for the mill in the works what choice do many of the residents of the region have? Even if the mills do get working how many families will they be able to support? I think the park is the best/only offer on the table.

  • Anonymous

    I like the idea of a feasibility study. There are several studies that have been conducted and published about the economic impact of the parks, but the BDN won’t allow the links to be posted. Just Google “economic impact of national parks” and you will some info. It’s worth taking the time to peruse some of the info that is available.

  • Anonymous

    You have said so many things about Jenn that have proven time and again you have no idea who she really is.

    You brought up a family situation that you had no clue about. That had absolutely nothing to do with the issues at hand.

    You made reference that her opinion doesn’t hold as much weight as Kim Marston, yes I’ll put the name out there, because Kim does so much for the community. Does she really? Doesn’t she get a stipend for all or most of what she does? Jenn volunteered tirelessly, putting her own funds into music boosters all year along with others. Jenn was at every function they had. I saw her at every dance they put on. She was outback helping with costumes and hair every time they had a performance. She did it because it needed to be done. She also does a lot for others in the community and doesn’t get a stipend to do it. She has volunteered in Millinocket for the performing arts boosters. She has donated to their auction.  I can’t tell you how many times she gives from her own pantry to those in need. Her opinion is valued by many in this community.

    You are one of the rudest posters on here. Everything is a personal attack on a woman you don’t even know. She cares about the town she grew up in and the community she currently lives in.

  • Anonymous

    So did ours. Yes they do, the whole down of Medway, how many voted 46. 40 voted for it? Wow, they sure listened.

  • Anonymous

    So did ours. Yes they do, the whole down of Medway, how many voted 46. 40 voted for it? Wow, they sure listened.

  • Anonymous

    So did ours. Yes they do, the whole down of Medway, how many voted 46. 40 voted for it? Wow, they sure listened.

  • Anonymous

    So did ours. Yes they do, the whole down of Medway, how many voted 46. 40 voted for it? Wow, they sure listened.

  • Anonymous

    So did ours. Yes they do, the whole down of Medway, how many voted 46. 40 voted for it? Wow, they sure listened.

  • Anonymous

    No one has to demonize her, or has. Read her writings, just because people in Millinocket are not blinded by her, does not mean she is right.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Oh too, Medway does not speak for the whole region.

  • Anonymous

    Because he did not want the Federal Government involved, as we do not. He did not want his family involved, he was clear on that. Baxter believed in balance.

  • Anonymous

    I think “foxy roxy” should walk away and enjoy her land and deny access. 

  • Anonymous

    I think “foxy roxy” should walk away and enjoy her land and deny access. 

  • Anonymous

    I think “foxy roxy” should walk away and enjoy her land and deny access. 

  • Anonymous

    I think “foxy roxy” should walk away and enjoy her land and deny access. 

  • Anonymous

    I think “foxy roxy” should walk away and enjoy her land and deny access. 

  • Anonymous

    I think “foxy roxy” should walk away and enjoy her land and deny access. 

  • Anonymous

    Nobody said they were speaking for the region…. They are speaking up for themselves!

  • Anonymous

    Nobody said they were speaking for the region…. They are speaking up for themselves!

  • Anonymous

    Nobody said they were speaking for the region…. They are speaking up for themselves!

  • Anonymous

    Nobody said they were speaking for the region…. They are speaking up for themselves!

  • Anonymous

    Nobody said they were speaking for the region…. They are speaking up for themselves!

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go back and read the articles, that will “virtually pay for it”. Yea, right. Like the lady said she ws giving this to the State of Maine? or the guy from Friends of Acadia, he had a lot to offer. This is not Acadia National Park, so get over it.Though I am sure you like Quimby want to see a park, 3.2, 5 or 10 million acres.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t blame Quimby. The Great Northern spoiled the Millinocket area with allowing  the intire region almost unlimited access to all their woodlands. So unlimited that the residents began to act like it was truly theirs. Well it’s not. It has been sold and no you can’t just go there and enjoy it now without a national park anymore then someone can come onto your property and set up camp without your permission. Don’t be upset at Quimby being wealthy enough to buy it. It was for sale and someone was going to. Just be glad she wants  people to use it . Would you feel better if some other people bought it and turned it into huge private playgrounds complete with no trespassing signs? 

  • Anonymous

    What credentials does she need to post on the BDN?

    What are your credentials? Put your name out here so we can personally attack you. You are a very sick individual that I hope Jenn protects herself from. That is really scary that you have taken a sick interest in someone on
    the internet that you don’t even know.

    Jenn you should consider getting a
    protection order from this sicko. Subpoena information from discus and fine out
    who they are so you can protect yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Well some here are always saying Millinocket is speaking for the region! She has come to Medway twice, interesting she did not have a meeting in East Millinocket. I guess like some if it is opposite of what Millinocket thinks, it must be good!

  • Anonymous

    Don’t blame Quimby. The Great Northern spoiled the Millinocket area with allowing  the intire region almost unlimited access to all their woodlands. So unlimited that the residents began to act like it was truly theirs. Well it’s not. It has been sold and no you can’t just go there and enjoy it now without a national park anymore then someone can come onto your property and set up camp without your permission. Don’t be upset at Quimby being wealthy enough to buy it. It was for sale and someone was going to. Just be glad she wants  people to use it . Would you feel better if some other people bought it and turned it into huge private playgrounds complete with no trespassing signs? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    The entire paper industry and conglomerate cleaner uppers are imports.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby has said that she believes the downfall of the US began with private property ownership.

    Why does that not alarm more people??

    Why does no one ask her about her hypocrisy?
    She owns multiple properties besides the land she’s purchased here in ME.
    Her plan all along was to hand this property over to the federal government.
    Like the gentleman said, why would anyone want to give anything to the federal government?

  • Anonymous

    She doesn’t want any motorized anything on that land.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a key point. How the media can put out such a one sided neanderthal message is repugnent. The video shows three people bleating the same old traditional myth and downright assertions that the land is basically theirs. It is embarrassing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a key point. How the media can put out such a one sided neanderthal message is repugnent. The video shows three people bleating the same old traditional myth and downright assertions that the land is basically theirs. It is embarrassing.

  • Anonymous

    Well they are gone too.

  • Anonymous

    Well they are gone too.

  • Anonymous

    Well they are gone too.

  • Anonymous

    Well they are gone too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Great point and do not expect any answers from the everything is mine crowd. Strange how the private land hate the government crowd turns on itself when private landowners refuse committal to them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Sir the ongoing destruction of the future and past rests with you.

  • Anonymous

    Considering the deep division between the towns, Quimby has managed to make it much worse.

    This is now starting to get personal on small business levels; there have been many that won’t do business with those that support the park—- I hope the winter serves them well….!

    Maybe they can ask Roxanne for some oil money…!
     

    .

  • Anonymous

    Quimby planned all along to hand the property over to the fed govt. She believes the downfall of the US began with private property ownership.

  • Anonymous

    Although I appreciate the thoughts behind this post I would like to ask that at the very least the name be removed….. that person has nothing to do with this and it would be nice if the post was removed entirely. This isn’t a p***ing contest!!!! I don’t need people to know what I do and don’t do for the community…..

    I don’t mind if you want to just leave the last little comment…..about being the rudest poster LOL but the rest really doesn’t belong on here…..thank you for taking the time to try and defend me…again it is truly appreciated….

  • Anonymous

    70 people at the Medway meeting Nick? There were 60 chairs on the floor and they where all full. The bleachers where 7/8 full. I think if you do your math that would bring you to 150-200 people if not more. Please take some time and do your home work.

  • Anonymous

    My only problem with this is that Mr. Salazar is just a bureaucrat that will most probably be gone in a year and a half.  What the next bureaucrat does is unknown, which is the problem with giving control of anything to Washingtion.   And don’t think your elected representatives will save you in the future.  These federal agencies just ignore them and, eventually, whatever they want gets implemented.

  • Anonymous

    My only problem with this is that Mr. Salazar is just a bureaucrat that will most probably be gone in a year and a half.  What the next bureaucrat does is unknown, which is the problem with giving control of anything to Washingtion.   And don’t think your elected representatives will save you in the future.  These federal agencies just ignore them and, eventually, whatever they want gets implemented.

  • Anonymous

    My only problem with this is that Mr. Salazar is just a bureaucrat that will most probably be gone in a year and a half.  What the next bureaucrat does is unknown, which is the problem with giving control of anything to Washingtion.   And don’t think your elected representatives will save you in the future.  These federal agencies just ignore them and, eventually, whatever they want gets implemented.

  • Anonymous
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  • Anonymous

    plenty of “locals” from both here and “away” who own businesses here in town want the study at the very least. Not one of the councilors is a “real” business owner except Bubba Davis. And please don’t tell me DC is a business owner. No one uses his services as they know how he has done business over the years, within the mill etc…

  • Anonymous

    plenty of “locals” from both here and “away” who own businesses here in town want the study at the very least. Not one of the councilors is a “real” business owner except Bubba Davis. And please don’t tell me DC is a business owner. No one uses his services as they know how he has done business over the years, within the mill etc…

  • Anonymous

    plenty of “locals” from both here and “away” who own businesses here in town want the study at the very least. Not one of the councilors is a “real” business owner except Bubba Davis. And please don’t tell me DC is a business owner. No one uses his services as they know how he has done business over the years, within the mill etc…

  • Anonymous

    plenty of “locals” from both here and “away” who own businesses here in town want the study at the very least. Not one of the councilors is a “real” business owner except Bubba Davis. And please don’t tell me DC is a business owner. No one uses his services as they know how he has done business over the years, within the mill etc…

  • Anonymous

    plenty of “locals” from both here and “away” who own businesses here in town want the study at the very least. Not one of the councilors is a “real” business owner except Bubba Davis. And please don’t tell me DC is a business owner. No one uses his services as they know how he has done business over the years, within the mill etc…

  • Anonymous

    plenty of “locals” from both here and “away” who own businesses here in town want the study at the very least. Not one of the councilors is a “real” business owner except Bubba Davis. And please don’t tell me DC is a business owner. No one uses his services as they know how he has done business over the years, within the mill etc…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    I am pretty sure the logging industry is doing better in western states with mostly federally owned forestland…

  • Anonymous

    You just can’t admit that Slazar lied and that his decision to back Quimby is a foregone conclusion….  The People “will” have a say in this, even if it means a million years of
    injunctions…!

     

    .

  • Anonymous

    Its what she does….

  • Anonymous

    My post is directed at the phantomgourmet’s inability to post competent facts and opinions and instead resorts to personal attacks to compensate for their clear lack of factual information and moral aptitude. I believe in political discourse and the sharing of information in the form of intelligent debate. It belittles everyone when someone like that attacks others instead of sticking with the topic.

  • Anonymous

    and just remember that Roxanne has carrots up her sleeve!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    hmm, I thought Millinocket was in Maine, and the land that Quimby is donating was in Maine.  Where were the ‘imports’ from?  Italy?

  • Anonymous

    Historically the paper companies have been given a huge tax break for keeping timberland and not developing it.  Part of the reasoning for this was a trade for allowing the public access to their lands.  The Maine woods have always been in effect a state park due to this access.  As landowners restrict this access, perhaps they should pay higher taxes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    and neither does Millinocket

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    and you know this how?

  • Anonymous

    Apples and Oranges, that was then and this is now.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    as far as I know he still lived in Maine….do you know something the rest of us don’t?

  • Anonymous

    “FOR THE GOOD OF ALL” is a PBS “Frontline” documentary about land acquisition in the Cuyahoga Valley National Recreation Area in Ohio by the National Park Service. If you want to see the damage done to a community by land acquisition and condemnation (eminent domain), this is the film for you. http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm  While “For the Good of All” examines the National Park Service, it is just as applicable to Forest Service, BLM and Fish and Wildlife Service areas. The techniques and tools the Federal agents use are the same.Experts have acclaimed “For The Good Of All” as a landmark media investigation of a runaway Federal bureaucracy. You can watch as the film documents a four-year struggle for survival by a community in Ohio facing land acquisition and condemnation. Follow as real people are nterviewed throughout their fight to keep their homes over the four years. See what finally happens to them, their families and their homes.Watch the movie, all of it,,,, and then ask yourself, can we really trust Quimby, let alone our government..!

    Government Gone Wild
    http://www.youtube.com/embed/VtVbUmcQSuk
     
    Trust who,,,,? Roxanne,,,, the feds…?

    .

  • Anonymous

    it will no longer be her land after she sells it for $1 to the Feds.

  • Anonymous

    No, one was from Cape Elizabeth (Little Marthas Vineyard). State Senator Cynthia Dill. Apparently she knows more about what to do up there then the locals do.

  • Anonymous

    It is going to get alot bigger when the park goes in and it is ”Medway the Gateway”

  • Anonymous

    “wait until we know what is going to happen with the mills in Millinocket”. 

    The answer is nothing.  That is the reality of the situation at hand, I am by no means a “tree hugger” I am a citizen that looks to the opportunity that is being presented.  Let the study proceed and at least get the answers.  Then move from there.  Quimby is an outstanding citizen that has made her fortune and is looking to give back to the society that provided her the opportunity.  Don’t look down on it, look at it with open arms and at least give it a chance. 

  • Anonymous

    From your own post you said Medway voted for “it”, meaning the study. That in no way means they support the park.

    Just to be clear.

  • Anonymous

    Have you ever heard of North Maine Woods Inc.? No park needed to continue access, just cooperation between landowners, the state and companies.

  • Anonymous

    Who got bullied and how? Are you scared of thephantomgourmet?

  • Anonymous

     I’m certainly not!!!!! I love the show, am a fan on facebook and visit the website frequently!

  • Anonymous

    That is correct Josey_Wales they want more information before making a decision on whether to support the park or not.

  • Anonymous

    If you have no vested interest in this subject, ignore it and move on.  Your unsolicited vitriol indicates only that you live to be mean spirited, regardless of the subject. You get some secret jollies when your repressed anger vomits onto the comment section. Find another hobby because your comments are never insightful and only intended to incite.  You are spiteful and obviously a very unhappy person so maybe you could wander off and find some other community to belittle and condemn. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    is the National Park in Millinocket?  It is in the MAINE woods, right? 

  • Anonymous

    Well then why didn’t he stop in Portland, Augusta and Presque Isle? That is why Sen. Dill was up there, she don’t care about the people and the area as long as it doesn’t affect her. Let’s turn Cape into a Nat. park.

  • Anonymous

    Then you need to edit your original post:

    “Because Medway SUPPORTS the park while the others don’t?”

  • Anonymous

    Boothbay, Cape Elizabeth, Portland, etc.. Cynthia Dill, the new Senator from Cape is a big proponent and attended the meeting I believe. She has even started a facebook page “friends of the northwoods”.  There is a great cultural divide between us and the other Maine below Augusta, and they just can’t seem to fathom why people in town might be opposed to this plan. It’s amusing when card carrying diehard liberals as Dill and her crowd call themselves, become as myopic and inflexible as the staunchest Teapartier, unwilling to consider another point of view.  There can be blatant arrogance on both sides of the aisle, that’s for sure.

  • Anonymous

    You mean trying to save what we have from extemist.

  • Anonymous

    It is Roxanne Quimby’s land and she can darn well do what she wants with it. That is a constitutionally protected right. These same opponents would howl in rage if you told them what they could do with their land.

  • Anonymous

    It is Roxanne Quimby’s land and she can darn well do what she wants with it. That is a constitutionally protected right. These same opponents would howl in rage if you told them what they could do with their land.

  • Anonymous

    Well, Medway seems to feeding pretty well.

  • Anonymous

    At lease we are not being led by a carrot dangling in front of us.

  • Anonymous

    Regina, Roxy did not make her money here. She started here and moved to North Carolina and sold the company. She made her millions (350) when she sold the company.

    “….and had the good sense to leave”. So you are supporting someone who moved a company out of Maine and left Mainers out of work? Brilliant.

    Regina, one question. Have you ever been to this land they are discussing?

  • Anonymous

    No, if you have been reading we are talking about people from MA, NY, CT and other places changing things.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting, a lot say the locals do not know what they are doing, that means she knows less.

  • Benevolent Despot

    The federal government is in no shape to take on a NP. It would cost the govt. a lot to prepare for a NP and the infrastructure of such a place.
    Keep the feds out they can’t afford to put a NP in place. How about those with disabilities that would visit such a place, how much would that cost to put in place viewing areas designed for those in wheelchairs. Too costly!

    Let her precious forest fall down around her by leaving it alone and see how beautiful it will be.

  • Anonymous

    You are right about her, though I strongly disagree with her, I talked to her and had a short conversation with her. Like anyone on either side of the issue we have the right to our opinion. She is very personable, and easy to talk with, even if she did not agree with my opinion. She can talk in a calm respective way.

  • Anonymous

    You are right about her, though I strongly disagree with her, I talked to her and had a short conversation with her. Like anyone on either side of the issue we have the right to our opinion. She is very personable, and easy to talk with, even if she did not agree with my opinion. She can talk in a calm respective way.

  • Anonymous

    St. Pierre was awfully quiet?

  • Anonymous

    St. Pierre was awfully quiet?

  • Anonymous

    St. Pierre was awfully quiet?

  • Anonymous

    St. Pierre was awfully quiet?

  • Anonymous

    St. Pierre was awfully quiet?

  • Anonymous

    OH really then why do the people for a park keep bringing Gov. Baxter into the equation.  The proponets brought it up again last evening.

  • Anonymous

    OH really then why do the people for a park keep bringing Gov. Baxter into the equation.  The proponets brought it up again last evening.

  • Anonymous

    OH really then why do the people for a park keep bringing Gov. Baxter into the equation.  The proponets brought it up again last evening.

  • Anonymous

    keep dreaming.

  • Anonymous

    keep dreaming.

  • Anonymous

    keep dreaming.

  • Anonymous

    keep dreaming.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    did you read my post?  Did you talk to her?    Good one turniong Cape into a national park, it shows how ignorant you are….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    did you read my post?  Did you talk to her?    Good one turniong Cape into a national park, it shows how ignorant you are….

  • Benevolent Despot

    That was not bullying. 

  • Benevolent Despot

    That was not bullying. 

  • Benevolent Despot

    That was not bullying. 

  • Benevolent Despot

    That was not bullying. 

  • Benevolent Despot

    That was not bullying. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    hmm, you can say that people that oppose the national park are just as myopic and inflexible…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    hmm, you can say that people that oppose the national park are just as myopic and inflexible…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    hmm, you can say that people that oppose the national park are just as myopic and inflexible…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    hmm, you can say that people that oppose the national park are just as myopic and inflexible…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    hmm, you can say that people that oppose the national park are just as myopic and inflexible…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    hmm, you can say that people that oppose the national park are just as myopic and inflexible…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    hmm, you can say that people that oppose the national park are just as myopic and inflexible…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    hmm, you can say that people that oppose the national park are just as myopic and inflexible…

  • Anonymous

    wow,  watched the video.  what a bunch of hicks

  • Anonymous

    wow,  watched the video.  what a bunch of hicks

  • Anonymous

    wow,  watched the video.  what a bunch of hicks

  • Anonymous

    wow,  watched the video.  what a bunch of hicks

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    when I asked where the ‘imports’ came from the response was Cape Elizabeth.  I was responding to that.  Were there people from those states at the meeting?

  • Benevolent Despot

    She and some others don’t want noise that was never there on her land.

  • Anonymous

    really…..

    Responding to your comment.

  • Benevolent Despot

    Probably because she has stated on many occasions that this ‘gift’ will be her legacy.
    That’s just part of her agenda.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t get why people would be against a feasibility study?  Aren’t you suppose to be for a feasibility study and then for or against the results?  Also why does a town or towns have to be asked for permission for a feasibility study?

  • Anonymous

    I think it is small change in the eyes of the federal Government.

    If not this project they will spend it somewhere else.

     Look at what we give to other countries.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You haven’t been around here long enough…

  • Benevolent Despot

    You haven’t been around here long enough…

  • Benevolent Despot

    You haven’t been around here long enough…

  • Anonymous

    trying to save what we have from subdivision and development.  the paper industry is dieing in the region and there is a huge financial incentive for large land owners to carve up their property and sell of thousands of lake-front second-home lots.

  • Anonymous

    trying to save what we have from subdivision and development.  the paper industry is dieing in the region and there is a huge financial incentive for large land owners to carve up their property and sell of thousands of lake-front second-home lots.

  • Benevolent Despot

    Again, you have not been here long and if you think you are going to educate people here about discourse, moral aptitude and what you believe is wrong with people, you are in the wrong place.

    Why do you keep attacking the phantom, give it a rest and start posting what you are preaching about.

  • Benevolent Despot

    Again, you have not been here long and if you think you are going to educate people here about discourse, moral aptitude and what you believe is wrong with people, you are in the wrong place.

    Why do you keep attacking the phantom, give it a rest and start posting what you are preaching about.

  • Anonymous

    Lets vote on that.

  • Anonymous

    Lets vote on that.

  • Anonymous

    Lets vote on that.

  • Anonymous

    Lets vote on that.

  • Anonymous

    time for some new material bruce

  • Anonymous

    time for some new material bruce

  • Anonymous

    time for some new material bruce

  • Anonymous

    time for some new material bruce

  • Anonymous

    time for some new material bruce

  • Anonymous

    yes they are….

    now if the citizens of Millinocket could vote we could clear up what it is they want, one way or the other

  • Anonymous

    originally

  • Anonymous

    Factually, yes

  • Anonymous

    Factually, yes

  • Anonymous

    Good reply JayC, questions and then a denograting comment. Brilliant

    Again, if it is a Maine issue (which it really is a national issue) then why didn’t he stop in other areas of the state?? And did I say the park was in Millinocket?

    I may be one of the few on here who actaully know where this land is and have actually been there. There is NOTHING there that would make someone from Boston drive 6 hours or someone from Portland to drive 4 hours when you can be in Bar Harbor in the same amount of time and have more to do.

  • Anonymous

    You are one that would say it is Roxann’s land, and say Plum Creek should not do what they want with there land I guess. The only financial incentative is for RQ not to pay any taxes in giving up the land

  • Anonymous

    how about a  survey of all the residents between here and Patten? Maybe Quimby can pay or RESTORE.

  • Anonymous

    watch brucie boy

  • Anonymous

    watch brucie boy

  • Anonymous

    watch brucie boy

  • Anonymous

    watch brucie boy

  • Anonymous

    watch brucie boy

  • Anonymous

    the gate swings both way. Oh wait Roxanne has locked the gate lol

  • Anonymous

    Well, I was in Medwaay yesterday and a lady said she liked my shirt “No Park for ME”

  • Anonymous

    This is not about the federal government coming in and taking land for anything. It is about a gift to the federal government and the people of Millinockett to accept or reject after finding out what it all means to them from a study. The govt. is not going †o come in and take over your part of the state. This is a gift of private land. Yes, there will be rules but that doesn’t mean that they will all be against the “traditions” of the area. Frankly after being on land that is open, first come first serve, and witnessing the disrespect people have for it (diapers in the fire pits etc.) I am all for rules. In the parks where one has to sign in I have very rarely witnessed that.

  • Anonymous

    This is not about the federal government coming in and taking land for anything. It is about a gift to the federal government and the people of Millinockett to accept or reject after finding out what it all means to them from a study. The govt. is not going †o come in and take over your part of the state. This is a gift of private land. Yes, there will be rules but that doesn’t mean that they will all be against the “traditions” of the area. Frankly after being on land that is open, first come first serve, and witnessing the disrespect people have for it (diapers in the fire pits etc.) I am all for rules. In the parks where one has to sign in I have very rarely witnessed that.

  • Anonymous

    This is not about the federal government coming in and taking land for anything. It is about a gift to the federal government and the people of Millinockett to accept or reject after finding out what it all means to them from a study. The govt. is not going †o come in and take over your part of the state. This is a gift of private land. Yes, there will be rules but that doesn’t mean that they will all be against the “traditions” of the area. Frankly after being on land that is open, first come first serve, and witnessing the disrespect people have for it (diapers in the fire pits etc.) I am all for rules. In the parks where one has to sign in I have very rarely witnessed that.

  • Anonymous

    try enjoying the land when it is owned by thousands of out of state wealthy people to use for a few weeks a year rather than a few corporate landowners. They will have no incentive to allow public access. As far as public access and enjoyment goes, the worst thing that can happen is for this land to get developed.

  • Anonymous

    try enjoying the land when it is owned by thousands of out of state wealthy people to use for a few weeks a year rather than a few corporate landowners. They will have no incentive to allow public access. As far as public access and enjoyment goes, the worst thing that can happen is for this land to get developed.

  • Anonymous

    try enjoying the land when it is owned by thousands of out of state wealthy people to use for a few weeks a year rather than a few corporate landowners. They will have no incentive to allow public access. As far as public access and enjoyment goes, the worst thing that can happen is for this land to get developed.

  • Anonymous

    Well after listening closely to the Interior Secretary and all views both pro’s and con’s, I will not see it in my lifetime. Neither will the Medway School Board.

  • Anonymous

    Well after listening closely to the Interior Secretary and all views both pro’s and con’s, I will not see it in my lifetime. Neither will the Medway School Board.

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  • Anonymous

    Another bad thing is if the Federal Government takes the land. Come to think of it she is pretty wealthy herself. Why does not she give it to the State of Maine hmmm I wonder if it is because she wants more and more restrictions.

  • Anonymous

    which one is jethro?

  • Anonymous

    which one is jethro?

  • Anonymous

    The phantomgourmet has a history on this site for posting personal attacks on people instead of sticking to the topics. Not just on issues local to the Katahdin region but you can find their posts elsewhere across the BDN site that employ the same pathetic attacks instead of facts. It is sad really, that this is their only way of trying to make their point. It speaks to the phrase “one bad apple can destroy the bunch”.  I would like to think that posters on any website would be able to rise above the immaturity and use social media as a tool for sharing information and not a way to interject their morally bankrupt agenda on the rest of society. 

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t mind the federal government managing the land.
    I’ve enjoyed plenty of federal land (National Forests and National Parks). Maybe you should leave Millinocket once in a while.

  • Anonymous

    I was not disputing what other people said at the meeting. I was commenting on what you said.

  • Anonymous

    Go get yourself some carrots.

  • Anonymous

    How many voted in Millinocket?

  • Anonymous

    I have been around. When I get a chance I stop in here to read articles that interest me and I glance at the comments to see what people are saying about news that is important to the people of Maine. It is a shame when instead of reading posts that are on topic you have to sort through the excrement that is posted.  It would just be nice to see people act like the adults they are and be good examples for the young adults that are reading these articles. 

  • Anonymous

    “Yes it is” about the federal government, and the mussel they use to come into an area and bypass any object from the local communities.  Salazar made it very clear “he has the power” and with only the possibility to participate in “discussions” this would go to DC for approval.

    Most that went to last night’s meeting in Millinocket disapproved, and felt that Salazar’s comments were little more than an affirmation of a decision already made.

    .

  • Anonymous

    “Yes it is” about the federal government, and the mussel they use to come into an area and bypass any object from the local communities.  Salazar made it very clear “he has the power” and with only the possibility to participate in “discussions” this would go to DC for approval.

    Most that went to last night’s meeting in Millinocket disapproved, and felt that Salazar’s comments were little more than an affirmation of a decision already made.

    .

  • Anonymous

    “Yes it is” about the federal government, and the mussel they use to come into an area and bypass any object from the local communities.  Salazar made it very clear “he has the power” and with only the possibility to participate in “discussions” this would go to DC for approval.

    Most that went to last night’s meeting in Millinocket disapproved, and felt that Salazar’s comments were little more than an affirmation of a decision already made.

    .

  • Anonymous

    Well pardon me, though to let you know some facts. I have been several places. One of the greatest places I have been is to Gettsburg twice. A National Forest, and even out of the country even though it was Canada. That was Vancouver though. Maybe I am not a world travler but I have seen a plenty of the country through the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Great Smokey Mountains. Federal Parks mean Federal Restrictions and rights taken away from Maine residents. They do not manage they dictate what you can and can not do

  • Anonymous

    Well pardon me, though to let you know some facts. I have been several places. One of the greatest places I have been is to Gettsburg twice. A National Forest, and even out of the country even though it was Canada. That was Vancouver though. Maybe I am not a world travler but I have seen a plenty of the country through the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Great Smokey Mountains. Federal Parks mean Federal Restrictions and rights taken away from Maine residents. They do not manage they dictate what you can and can not do

  • Anonymous

    Well pardon me, though to let you know some facts. I have been several places. One of the greatest places I have been is to Gettsburg twice. A National Forest, and even out of the country even though it was Canada. That was Vancouver though. Maybe I am not a world travler but I have seen a plenty of the country through the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Great Smokey Mountains. Federal Parks mean Federal Restrictions and rights taken away from Maine residents. They do not manage they dictate what you can and can not do

  • Anonymous

    Well pardon me, though to let you know some facts. I have been several places. One of the greatest places I have been is to Gettsburg twice. A National Forest, and even out of the country even though it was Canada. That was Vancouver though. Maybe I am not a world travler but I have seen a plenty of the country through the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Great Smokey Mountains. Federal Parks mean Federal Restrictions and rights taken away from Maine residents. They do not manage they dictate what you can and can not do

  • Anonymous

    Well pardon me, though to let you know some facts. I have been several places. One of the greatest places I have been is to Gettsburg twice. A National Forest, and even out of the country even though it was Canada. That was Vancouver though. Maybe I am not a world travler but I have seen a plenty of the country through the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Great Smokey Mountains. Federal Parks mean Federal Restrictions and rights taken away from Maine residents. They do not manage they dictate what you can and can not do

  • Anonymous

    Well pardon me, though to let you know some facts. I have been several places. One of the greatest places I have been is to Gettsburg twice. A National Forest, and even out of the country even though it was Canada. That was Vancouver though. Maybe I am not a world travler but I have seen a plenty of the country through the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Great Smokey Mountains. Federal Parks mean Federal Restrictions and rights taken away from Maine residents. They do not manage they dictate what you can and can not do

  • Anonymous

    Well pardon me, though to let you know some facts. I have been several places. One of the greatest places I have been is to Gettsburg twice. A National Forest, and even out of the country even though it was Canada. That was Vancouver though. Maybe I am not a world travler but I have seen a plenty of the country through the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Great Smokey Mountains. Federal Parks mean Federal Restrictions and rights taken away from Maine residents. They do not manage they dictate what you can and can not do

  • Anonymous

    Well pardon me, though to let you know some facts. I have been several places. One of the greatest places I have been is to Gettsburg twice. A National Forest, and even out of the country even though it was Canada. That was Vancouver though. Maybe I am not a world travler but I have seen a plenty of the country through the Blue Ridge Mountains and the Great Smokey Mountains. Federal Parks mean Federal Restrictions and rights taken away from Maine residents. They do not manage they dictate what you can and can not do

  • Anonymous

    I do not need to be led around like Quimby is doing to Medway. I have my own opinions.

  • Anonymous

    I do not need to be led around like Quimby is doing to Medway. I have my own opinions.

  • Anonymous

    I do not need to be led around like Quimby is doing to Medway. I have my own opinions.

  • Anonymous

    I do not need to be led around like Quimby is doing to Medway. I have my own opinions.

  • Anonymous

    A unanimous Vote. Unlike Medway lol

  • Anonymous

    A unanimous Vote. Unlike Medway lol

  • Anonymous

    A unanimous Vote. Unlike Medway lol

  • Anonymous

    A unanimous Vote. Unlike Medway lol

  • Anonymous

    A unanimous Vote. Unlike Medway lol

  • Anonymous

    A unanimous Vote. Unlike Medway lol

  • Anonymous

    A unanimous Vote. Unlike Medway lol

  • Anonymous

    A unanimous Vote. Unlike Medway lol

  • Anonymous

    A unanimous Vote. Unlike Medway lol

  • Anonymous

    A unanimous Vote. Unlike Medway lol

  • Anonymous

    an acute observation for sure…..

  • Anonymous

    and you have? I haven’t seen you post here before….certainly not under any of the articles about the park.

  • Anonymous

    and you have? I haven’t seen you post here before….certainly not under any of the articles about the park.

  • Anonymous

    and you have? I haven’t seen you post here before….certainly not under any of the articles about the park.

  • Anonymous

    and you have? I haven’t seen you post here before….certainly not under any of the articles about the park.

  • Anonymous

    and you have? I haven’t seen you post here before….certainly not under any of the articles about the park.

  • Anonymous

    what rights do you or anyone else have (other than Quimby) regarding this land now??

  • Anonymous

    That’s exactly what I meant. You won’t hear much from the ambivalent crowd of which I am one. This is more Medway’s issue than Millinocket’s. No one going to a national park is going to drive 12 miles out of their way just to say hi before they go look for Yogi bear via Medway/Grindstone.

  • Anonymous

    Even if the mills reopen this time there will ultimately be a next time. The global market for paper isn’t what it used to be. How long do people really think these mills are going to be here??

  • Anonymous

    Even if the mills reopen this time there will ultimately be a next time. The global market for paper isn’t what it used to be. How long do people really think these mills are going to be here??

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    Well, she can do whatever she likes as long as her likes align with the progressive liberals of which she is one … so, yes, she can do whatever she likes with it.

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    Actually, those wood businesses that rely on federal cutting are not doing well. Those that use private timber are doing much better even though the whole industry is in deep agony right now.

  • Anonymous

    I have already said it a few times, is it necessary to repeat myself.

  • Anonymous

    You do realize that Gettysburg is administered by the National Park Service? The land was obtained and preserved by the NPS purchasing or eminent domain. How would you like a Wal Mart in the middle of the battlefield? Good thing people have been working to put it into government protection for over 100 years, or that may very well be a reality. There are historic battlefields all over that are threatened by development.

    you don’t think private owners can’t dictate what you can and can’t do? This isn’t your land. It is someone else’s and they can take your access away in a blink of an eye. National park or national forest land is OUR land to enjoy for perpetuity.

    National Forests and National Parks offer some amazing recreational opportunities all across the country. As you have observed, the NPS also preserves historic battlefields that could have been lost to development.

  • Anonymous

    I certainly do, that is why I stated it. I am well aware of the history of it. They can dictate except in one respect to their land, which is the Great Ponds Act.
    I just have a diffence of opinion to this proposal, which is also my Constitutionl Right; as is yours to be for a park. I can respect your opinion and do, at the same time do not dismiss mine because it is not yours. Although she has alloted 20 million and hopefully can get another 20 million from others, they say this would VIRTUALLY pay for it. Have you looked what shape the Federal Park system is in financially?

  • Anonymous

    I certainly do, that is why I stated it. I am well aware of the history of it. They can dictate except in one respect to their land, which is the Great Ponds Act.
    I just have a diffence of opinion to this proposal, which is also my Constitutionl Right; as is yours to be for a park. I can respect your opinion and do, at the same time do not dismiss mine because it is not yours. Although she has alloted 20 million and hopefully can get another 20 million from others, they say this would VIRTUALLY pay for it. Have you looked what shape the Federal Park system is in financially?

  • Anonymous

    the whole town did not vote

    LOL

  • Benevolent Despot

    It would seem our paths have never crossed, but I have been around posting for a while. That includes posting about the park and my opinion of.

  • Benevolent Despot

    It would seem our paths have never crossed, but I have been around posting for a while. That includes posting about the park and my opinion of.

  • yowsayowsa1

     The propaganda machine of the NPS is legendary.

     Without checking some of the latter pages of a google search, one will find very little in the way of anything negative about this bureaucracy.

  • yowsayowsa1

     The propaganda machine of the NPS is legendary.

     Without checking some of the latter pages of a google search, one will find very little in the way of anything negative about this bureaucracy.

  • yowsayowsa1

     The propaganda machine of the NPS is legendary.

     Without checking some of the latter pages of a google search, one will find very little in the way of anything negative about this bureaucracy.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Sorry.

     Hollywood TYPE “expert to listen to.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Sorry.

     Hollywood TYPE “expert to listen to.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Sorry.

     Hollywood TYPE “expert to listen to.

  • Anonymous

    We were talking about Millinocket.

  • Anonymous

    We were talking about Millinocket.

  • Anonymous

    We were talking about Millinocket.

  • Anonymous

    We were talking about Millinocket.

  • Anonymous

    We were talking about Millinocket.

  • Anonymous

    We were talking about Millinocket.

  • Anonymous

    We were talking about Millinocket.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That would be a wonderful thing but people are bolder on a message board. Some days are worse than others depending on the topic.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That would be a wonderful thing but people are bolder on a message board. Some days are worse than others depending on the topic.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That would be a wonderful thing but people are bolder on a message board. Some days are worse than others depending on the topic.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Once the results are in for the feasability study, it’s all over except the gates, cute smokie bear hats, and tacky trinket shops selling chinese garbage to the tourists.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Once the results are in for the feasability study, it’s all over except the gates, cute smokie bear hats, and tacky trinket shops selling chinese garbage to the tourists.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Once the results are in for the feasability study, it’s all over except the gates, cute smokie bear hats, and tacky trinket shops selling chinese garbage to the tourists.

  • Anonymous

    Except if us serfs want to cooperate until she gets what she wants then she will cut us off! :)

  • Anonymous

    Very true 80 % of those who spoke for the park were from the other Maine .

  • Anonymous

    Because we are the ones effected by it and have to live with it every day and suffer the outcome ,we do not tell them in southern Maine what to do with there land dont tell us whats best for us.

  • Anonymous

    Because we are the ones effected by it and have to live with it every day and suffer the outcome ,we do not tell them in southern Maine what to do with there land dont tell us whats best for us.

  • Anonymous

    St Pierre the cockroach was there because he know this is not about the 70,000 acres its about millions of acres .

  • Anonymous

    St Pierre the cockroach was there because he know this is not about the 70,000 acres its about millions of acres .

  • Anonymous

    Dream on its going to be the Sherman exit, but then again its not going to happen.

  • Anonymous

    How many people lost their leases because of Quimby, in particular on that 70,000 acre parcel?

  • Anonymous

    This issue is all about TRUST nothing more, nothing less. It is impossible to trust elected officials that appear to be bent on destroying what jobs and ecomomic base Millinocket has left. Their behavior is so far off the charts it is inconceivable they were elected to begin with. They are an embarrassment to all of us and to themselves. And, Senetor Thomas, the next time you want to come to Millinocket and make a fool of yourself please make sure you are the one that is invited. Your comments did nothing to help this comunity. 

  • Anonymous

    This issue is all about TRUST nothing more, nothing less. It is impossible to trust elected officials that appear to be bent on destroying what jobs and ecomomic base Millinocket has left. Their behavior is so far off the charts it is inconceivable they were elected to begin with. They are an embarrassment to all of us and to themselves. And, Senetor Thomas, the next time you want to come to Millinocket and make a fool of yourself please make sure you are the one that is invited. Your comments did nothing to help this comunity. 

  • Anonymous

    This issue is all about TRUST nothing more, nothing less. It is impossible to trust elected officials that appear to be bent on destroying what jobs and ecomomic base Millinocket has left. Their behavior is so far off the charts it is inconceivable they were elected to begin with. They are an embarrassment to all of us and to themselves. And, Senetor Thomas, the next time you want to come to Millinocket and make a fool of yourself please make sure you are the one that is invited. Your comments did nothing to help this comunity. 

  • Anonymous

    This issue is all about TRUST nothing more, nothing less. It is impossible to trust elected officials that appear to be bent on destroying what jobs and ecomomic base Millinocket has left. Their behavior is so far off the charts it is inconceivable they were elected to begin with. They are an embarrassment to all of us and to themselves. And, Senetor Thomas, the next time you want to come to Millinocket and make a fool of yourself please make sure you are the one that is invited. Your comments did nothing to help this comunity. 

  • Anonymous

    Spoken like a true leader, thank you councilman.

  • Anonymous

    Spoken like a true leader, thank you councilman.

  • Anonymous

    Bingo…. they wont get through the Staceyville road. It used to be nice to spend  a  few days a Wetstone….

  • Anonymous

    Bingo…. they wont get through the Staceyville road. It used to be nice to spend  a  few days a Wetstone….

  • Anonymous

    Don’t you know, it is the blame game. Invented in Millinocket.

  • Anonymous

    How many people lost their lease because of Quimby, and in particular how many lost their lease in the 70,000 acres she wants to donate?  Does anybody know?

  • Anonymous

    Civility is important.

  • Anonymous

    We keep on getting extensions.  The last one that I knew about ended on August 15 or 16.  Other than that, everybody is mum on the subject……If you don’t count rumor and conjecture.

  • Anonymous

    We keep on getting extensions.  The last one that I knew about ended on August 15 or 16.  Other than that, everybody is mum on the subject……If you don’t count rumor and conjecture.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, so you do not want to see how the whole town of Medway wants?

  • Anonymous

    Wow, again!   That’s two things I actually agree with you on!  Holy crap!  ;{)

  • Anonymous

    Well, we could probably get jobs as caretakers for their “cottages”.

  • Anonymous

    I told you I was not so difficult to get along with lol

  • Anonymous

    I told you I was not so difficult to get along with lol

  • Anonymous

    The Federal Gov, does not even have loose change. That thinking is why the country is in such a mess. Take the Mike Michaud walking trail (PLEASE DO TAKE IT), over 600,000 dollars of wasted (and I said wasted and that is my opinion). Well, if we do not spend it someone else will. No wonder the country is broke, everyone is saying well if I do not, someone else will. Oh a million here a million there,small change my foot.

  • Anonymous

    The Federal Gov, does not even have loose change. That thinking is why the country is in such a mess. Take the Mike Michaud walking trail (PLEASE DO TAKE IT), over 600,000 dollars of wasted (and I said wasted and that is my opinion). Well, if we do not spend it someone else will. No wonder the country is broke, everyone is saying well if I do not, someone else will. Oh a million here a million there,small change my foot.

  • Anonymous

    The Federal Gov, does not even have loose change. That thinking is why the country is in such a mess. Take the Mike Michaud walking trail (PLEASE DO TAKE IT), over 600,000 dollars of wasted (and I said wasted and that is my opinion). Well, if we do not spend it someone else will. No wonder the country is broke, everyone is saying well if I do not, someone else will. Oh a million here a million there,small change my foot.

  • Anonymous

    The Federal Gov, does not even have loose change. That thinking is why the country is in such a mess. Take the Mike Michaud walking trail (PLEASE DO TAKE IT), over 600,000 dollars of wasted (and I said wasted and that is my opinion). Well, if we do not spend it someone else will. No wonder the country is broke, everyone is saying well if I do not, someone else will. Oh a million here a million there,small change my foot.

  • Anonymous

    The Federal Gov, does not even have loose change. That thinking is why the country is in such a mess. Take the Mike Michaud walking trail (PLEASE DO TAKE IT), over 600,000 dollars of wasted (and I said wasted and that is my opinion). Well, if we do not spend it someone else will. No wonder the country is broke, everyone is saying well if I do not, someone else will. Oh a million here a million there,small change my foot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Sambides-Jr/704934370 Nick Sambides Jr

    A response also to medwayone and Cecil Gray:

    Nobody can say for a fact how the crowds felt at the Medway or Millinocket meetings. As the story makes clear, Secretary Salazar took comments alternately from park proponents and opponents in Millinocket, making it impossible to tell exactly how much of the crowd was for or against a park feasibility study. He didn’t seek a hand count or voice vote. Nor was there a hand or voice vote taken of the entire crowd in Medway. Medway’s was a town meeting in which only Medway residents were allowed to vote on whether to support a park feasibility study, and that vote result, 46-6, is in the story.

    “Poor reporting” would have been me presuming that those 46 spoke for the majority of people at the meeting — or even, perhaps, the majority of Medway residents, given that as of July 2009, the town’s population totaled 1,458. And even if everyone at the Medway and Millinocket meetings was in favor of a park feasibility study, which was clearly NOT the case, what would those approximately 600 votes mean, in a Katahdin region of at least 7,000 people and a state with a population of 1.31 million?

    I have no love of “negative controversy” and I do not regard any side of this as “Neanderthal,” so it is a constant regret of mine that commentators here cannot give the opinions of others the same respect they give their own thoughts.

  • Anonymous

    who would be mostly effected by this if it flies? the Millinocket regional people..not some guy from boothbay…let them figure it out

  • Anonymous

    Those from away referred to us as backward fools with no common sense— Well; we have enough common sense not to be bullied, brow-beaten or threatened.

    We are ready for a long fight, and after this last meeting, we are less likely to be as polite…!

    .

  • Anonymous

    Those from away referred to us as backward fools with no common sense— Well; we have enough common sense not to be bullied, brow-beaten or threatened.

    We are ready for a long fight, and after this last meeting, we are less likely to be as polite…!

    .

  • Anonymous

    Those from away referred to us as backward fools with no common sense— Well; we have enough common sense not to be bullied, brow-beaten or threatened.

    We are ready for a long fight, and after this last meeting, we are less likely to be as polite…!

    .

  • Anonymous

    Those from away referred to us as backward fools with no common sense— Well; we have enough common sense not to be bullied, brow-beaten or threatened.

    We are ready for a long fight, and after this last meeting, we are less likely to be as polite…!

    .

  • Anonymous

    Those from away referred to us as backward fools with no common sense— Well; we have enough common sense not to be bullied, brow-beaten or threatened.

    We are ready for a long fight, and after this last meeting, we are less likely to be as polite…!

    .

  • Anonymous

    Those from away referred to us as backward fools with no common sense— Well; we have enough common sense not to be bullied, brow-beaten or threatened.

    We are ready for a long fight, and after this last meeting, we are less likely to be as polite…!

    .

  • Anonymous

    Ban Roxanne’s Backers

    I use to like to go to IGA, but after its owner said what he did to one of our councilors I am done with them. I am also done with a few other businesses that had a hand in a couple of nasty emails to town hall. Recently I found out that Pelletier’s supports this mess, and just when they started to get it right, oh well.

    It’s interesting that some ultra rich liberal treehugger that is so bent on self immortalization can
    deepen 100 year old divides.
     

    .

  • Anonymous

    don’t confuse yourself or twist my words

  • Anonymous

    Guess you’ll be burning up the highway to run to Lincoln to buy everything from toilet paper to groceries….don’t forget to buy your gas there too!

    You can spend you money where ever you want on whatever you want. Don’t cry though when downtown is shut up tight as a drum except for the town hall and post office. Way to improve your town!

  • Anonymous

    ….and you are so understated

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t ask him to explain the Great Ponds Act again…..we can’t take it anymore.

    He really has no right to her land, he is sort of like a broken record.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t ask him to explain the Great Ponds Act again…..we can’t take it anymore.

    He really has no right to her land, he is sort of like a broken record.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t ask him to explain the Great Ponds Act again…..we can’t take it anymore.

    He really has no right to her land, he is sort of like a broken record.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t ask him to explain the Great Ponds Act again…..we can’t take it anymore.

    He really has no right to her land, he is sort of like a broken record.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t ask him to explain the Great Ponds Act again…..we can’t take it anymore.

    He really has no right to her land, he is sort of like a broken record.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t ask him to explain the Great Ponds Act again…..we can’t take it anymore.

    He really has no right to her land, he is sort of like a broken record.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t ask him to explain the Great Ponds Act again…..we can’t take it anymore.

    He really has no right to her land, he is sort of like a broken record.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t ask him to explain the Great Ponds Act again…..we can’t take it anymore.

    He really has no right to her land, he is sort of like a broken record.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t ask him to explain the Great Ponds Act again…..we can’t take it anymore.

    He really has no right to her land, he is sort of like a broken record.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for an intelligent post.

  • Anonymous

    It is called Investing in Our Future.

    What sorts of changes do you suggest to make the area prosperous and what kind of ideas do you have for job creation?

  • Anonymous

    Salazar seems gung ho on the offshore wind turbines. I hope he has enough sense to see that no park or wild country in Maine will be worth visiting if ugly, underperforming, made in China wind turbines are cluttering every ridge and hill in the state. The big landowners are not acting like they did traditionally. Many are content to lease their land for huge industrial blight and have no regard for the campowners who bought their shoreland for the Maine scenery and pay dearly their higher taxes, or the outdoors people who enjoy the wild lands and come from far away to experience Maine’s countryside. One would think that with tree growth tax breaks, which shifts the tax burden back on everyone else, the landowners(like Haynes and Gardners) would have some consideration for the people who USED to support them. I bet if the Quimby deal had not gone thru, Katahdin Lake would be subdivided all around the shore by now. Regardless if one supports a park of any kind, that was a great move by RQ to save K.Lake from the Gardners’ developments. There are plenty of shoreland properties for sale and there should be a moratorium on any more development before every lake has camps all around it. Then again, it may not matter. If the wind industry is not stopped  they will have the entire state plastered with turbines and criscrossed with trans. lines and sprayed to prevent tree regrowth. That would have an impact on the forest products industry too. Where is the outrage over that?Maine somehow has to preserve/protect/conserve the lakes and mtns. from greedy developers and wind scammers or our kids and grandkids will wonder why we let the profiteers make such a mess of the state. Maine deserves better.

  • Anonymous

    Salazar seems gung ho on the offshore wind turbines. I hope he has enough sense to see that no park or wild country in Maine will be worth visiting if ugly, underperforming, made in China wind turbines are cluttering every ridge and hill in the state. The big landowners are not acting like they did traditionally. Many are content to lease their land for huge industrial blight and have no regard for the campowners who bought their shoreland for the Maine scenery and pay dearly their higher taxes, or the outdoors people who enjoy the wild lands and come from far away to experience Maine’s countryside. One would think that with tree growth tax breaks, which shifts the tax burden back on everyone else, the landowners(like Haynes and Gardners) would have some consideration for the people who USED to support them. I bet if the Quimby deal had not gone thru, Katahdin Lake would be subdivided all around the shore by now. Regardless if one supports a park of any kind, that was a great move by RQ to save K.Lake from the Gardners’ developments. There are plenty of shoreland properties for sale and there should be a moratorium on any more development before every lake has camps all around it. Then again, it may not matter. If the wind industry is not stopped  they will have the entire state plastered with turbines and criscrossed with trans. lines and sprayed to prevent tree regrowth. That would have an impact on the forest products industry too. Where is the outrage over that?Maine somehow has to preserve/protect/conserve the lakes and mtns. from greedy developers and wind scammers or our kids and grandkids will wonder why we let the profiteers make such a mess of the state. Maine deserves better.

  • MaineMountainLover

    The close-minded, naysaying Town Councilors from Millinocket look like a group of out of shape, out of touch guys on the Titanic, the water already up to their waists, yelling at the rest of us to go down to the bottom of the sea with them. They have demonstrated for years that they have nothing to offer… nothing but failure and a lack of results for the region. Though the Millincoket political tag team have the cowardly political leaders on their side for now, that is changing, as the economic situation in Northern Maine continues to go nowhere fast. The truth is that a majority of Mainers in the North and South support a Maine Woods National Park. Remember the recent on-line survey in this newspaper? Out of 500 or so responders, approx.  70% were pro-park! And other state-wide polls, by WCSH TV and other reputable groups find majority support among Maine people for a new national park here. The pro-park majority will prevail, as a growing number of supposed leaders will follow our lead in the near future. Just as the town leaders in Medway last night publicly told the town leaders of Millinocket that Medway has found its own voice and is no longer allowing Millinocket to speak for them, the rest of us who are open minded and forward thinking will step up and make sure that our side prevails. We will create a better future for the people of Northern Maine and for all Mainers. A Maine Woods National Park is not the only answer to the region’s problems but it is absolutely part of the solution for what ails us. Acadia generates $135 million per year, every year, along with 3,000 Maine jobs. Maine needs and deserves this new North Woods park and it is coming.

  • Anonymous

    Just watch

  • MaineMountainLover

    Thanks very much for your great post!

  • MaineMountainLover

    Excellent, SassyJenn!

    The close-minded, naysaying Town Councilors from Millinocket look like a
    group of out of shape, out of touch guys on the Titanic, the water
    already up to their waists, yelling at the rest of us to go down to the
    bottom of the sea with them. They have demonstrated for years that they
    have nothing to offer… nothing but failure and a lack of results for
    the region. Though the Millincoket political tag team have the cowardly
    political leaders on their side for now, that is changing, as the
    economic situation in Northern Maine continues to go nowhere fast. The
    truth is that a majority of Mainers in the North and South support a
    Maine Woods National Park. Remember the recent on-line survey in this
    newspaper? Out of 500 or so responders, approx.  70% were pro-park! And
    other state-wide polls, by WCSH TV and other reputable groups find
    majority support among Maine people for a new national park here. The
    pro-park majority will prevail, as growing number of supposed leaders
    will follow our lead in the near future. Just as the town leaders in
    Medway last night publicly told the town leaders of Millinocket that
    Medway has found its own voice and is no longer allowing Millinocket to
    speak for them, the rest of us who are open minded and forward thinking
    will step up and make sure that our side prevails. We will create a
    better future for the people of Northern Maine and for all Mainers. A
    Maine Woods National Park is not the only answer to the region’s
    problems but it is absolutely part of the solution for what ails us.
    Acadia generates $135 million per year, every year, along with 3,000
    Maine jobs. Maine needs and deserves this new North Woods park and it is
    coming.

  • MaineMountainLover

    Yeh and certainly the same applies to the stuck in the past town leaders of Millinocket who have a long record of failure to accomplish anything for the people of their town or region.  The rest of us refuse to remain on the Millinocket Titanic, we prefer not to go down to the bottom of the sea with them anymore. It’s time for the common sense majority who support a North Woods National Park to prevail and we will.

  • Anonymous

    The explanation for why people are against a government “feasibility study” is not hard to understand.  It is because it is a phony tactic to build political momentum for a preconceived agenda: a politically self-serving “study” by a government agency on behalf of its own expansion “studying” a preconceived outcome.

    National Park Service New Area Studies are designed to plan on how to control an area and to find ways to promote it with poetic imagery and rhetoric.  The National Park Service and its pressure groups have been doing these “studies” and similar “Management Plan” updates for decades.  They have all the templates on how to go about it and how to manipulate public perception in a media campaign, knowing that their victims don’t have that kind of access to fight them.

    Maine has already been through several of these politically motivated studies in which the activists tried to control the outcome — starting with the infamous Northern Forests Lands Study — and they tore the state apart for years.  The pressure groups want another one completely controlled by the National Park Service and themselves.

    This is further not an unbiased, objective “study” because the National Park Service has been involved in this campaign from the beginning. The National Park System Plan targeting millions of acres of private property in Maine as a stragic top priority to be taken over was produced and then released and promoted beginning in 1988 by the National Park Service’s private lobby arm, the National Parks and Conservation Association, in collaboration with the agency itself and big national pressure goups like the Wilderness Society. 

    They already know what they want — millions of acres of other people’s private property across Maine and beyond, with wilderness replacing industry and traditional popular recreation.  None of this is new.  It is a political takeover.  Federal control through a National Park Service takeover has been systematically rejected for decades for good reason. 

    It’s not as if people haven’t already looked into this and it’s not as if there hasn’t already been a long history of abuse from the National Park Service and its pressure groups pushing people around in Maine and elsewhere across the country. That is why the state legislature just overwhelmingly resolved to reject the Quimby plan again in the face of renewed activist pressure.  It is also why two top officials in the Obama administration seeking more Federal power thumbed their noses at the state and traveled all the way to Maine to promote themselves while posing as folksy ordinary people you are supposed to trust.  There is a lot of money and inside political maneuvers behind this from the highest levels, and has been for a long time.  Don’t be duped.

  • Anonymous

    If you knew nothing about the history of government control and the destructive history of the National Park Service in particular, the last few years alone should tell you that “hopey changey” from big government is not “job creation”.

    We’ve heard more than stale rhetoric about “investing in the future” from these power seekers who always want “wider powers” to allegedly solve the problems they have themselves caused. “What changes do you suggest?” — get them out of the way.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby’s ownership of land does not give her the right to impose Federal control over a portion of Maine through the device of “giving” land and money to the Federal government.  No one has such a “right” to change our form of government towards more dictatorial control, not in morality and not under the “Constitution”.  That is not what “property rights” mean.

    Quimby and Restore are political radicals from the 60s “counterculture” seeking to obliterate private property rights on principle.  They want to exploit the raw power of the National Park Service to “take away the whole issue of ownership” and they want to do it over millions of acres, not her 70,000 acre “seed” as she calls it.

    Quimby: “To me, ownership and private property were the beginning of the end in this country. Once the Europeans came in, drawing lines and dividing things up, things started getting exploited and overconsumed. But a park takes away the whole issue of ownership. It’s off the table; we all own it and we all share it. It’s so democratic.”  Quimby and Restore want to impose this over tens of millions of acres.  They have no “right” to do that.
     

  • Anonymous

    It most certainly is about the government taking private property and some of the activists have openly acknowledged that even recently.  The power of the National Park Service to interfere extends beyond its boundaries and Quimby has made it clear that this is a “seed” and a “down payment” for much, much more.  The National Park System Plan, which is where this campaign came from, makes it very clear that they want to eliminate industry and individual private ownership over millions of acres across rural Maine, not just Quimby’s land and not just the 3.2 million acre Restore target.  Federal control is not a “gift”.

  • Anonymous

    That is not true.  The big park and wilderness pressure groups have for decades been shutting down logging throughout Federal lands and turning mill towns into ghost towns.  They do this through Federal regulations and a constant barrage of law suits harassing and blocking logging plans, exploiting such devices as the Endangered Species Act.  Obama’s controversial Interior Secretary has further been invoking radical plans to impose Wilderness policies on Federal lands, bypassing Congress. 

    It is sad that people here in the east know almost nothing about the controversies over the rural devastation caused by environmentalism in the west — both because of what they did to those people and because they are out to repeat it here.

    This is why Restore board member Brock Evans said in his infamous “take it all” speech when he was Audubon VP:

    “I don’t agree that it shouldn’t all be in the public domain. In fact I think it all should be in the public domain… As Michael [Kellet, now director of Restore] said, there are some very distinct similarities between the emerging, what I’ll call the Northern Forests Lands Campaign — which is happening in northern New England right now and if I have anything to say about it from my national perspective, it will be an even bigger campaign in the next few years and the ancient forest campaign we’re just going through right now in the Pacific northwest… The differences obviously are that it’s private land, not public land, which means that if we’re gonna get it back, and I’ll use that term advisedly, it has to be purchased rather than just change the law on how it’s gonna be managed… It should be all of it….Be unreasonable. You can do it. Yesterday’s heresy is today’s common wisdom.”

  • Anonymous

    Salazar is much worse than “just a bureaucrat”.  He is a slick politician — a former US Senator (D) from Colorado — who knows how to manipulate people in a meeting with smooth reassurances evading the threat they pose.  He came to Maine — thumbing his nose at the state legislature telling him to butt out with his Federal plans — posing as a folksy ‘ordinary’ person in a baseball cap that you can ‘trust’.  Nothing could be farther from the truth.  Salazar is a very powerful official in the Obama administration and a controversial radical in his policies in Washington.  A lot of people here have been duped.

  • Anonymous

     She has also boasted that this is just a “seed” and a “down payment” for millions of acres more of other people’s private property planned to be taken over by the Federal government.

  • Anonymous

     She has also boasted that this is just a “seed” and a “down payment” for millions of acres more of other people’s private property planned to be taken over by the Federal government.

  • Anonymous

    Aside from the Quimby’s political agenda, which is fundamental to assessing everything she does by her own admission, Cecil Gray, who is anti-private property rights himself, continues to misrepresent the objections to Quimby’s own management of the land she is accumulating. 

    Quimby’s property rights — which she is cynically exploiting in order to politically destroy property rights on principle — do not give her the right to impose Federal control over a portion of Maine.  Further, her right to shut her land down does not preclude rational judgment under freedom of speech by more sensible people to denounce her for what she is doing:  She is deliberately buying up as much as she can get her hands on for the express purpose of turning it into pure wilderness on a huge scale, preventing human use beyond primitive hiking that few can do. 

    One could understand if she were closing off some area because she wanted to use it herself for her own purpose, but she is deliberately killing traditional access across a huge area for no reason other than her nihilistic, fanatical wilderness agenda.  The woman is crazy. She has a right to be crazy on her own land, but the rest of us have right to denounce her for her insane eco-ideology.

  • Anonymous

    Salazar is a smooth and powerful politician — a former US Senator who knows how to manipulate people — in the Obama administration who came to Maine because he wants Federal control.  He is not a remarkable person, he is a power seeker who is duping a lot of people who don’t know the terrible record of the National Park Service and the controversy in the rural west over Salazar’s policies of imposing wilderness on Federal lands while bypassing Congress.

  • Anonymous

    But you are missing a very minor point. It isn’t your land and you are trying to tell the legal owner what to do. 

  • Anonymous

    How is she using you?

  • Anonymous

    No one is telling her what she has to do with her land.  Her eco-wilderness fanaticism deliberately preventing traditional use on as much land she can accumulate is nuts, and people are certainly furious at that — we all have a right to criticize that under freedom of speech without violating her property rights.

    But she does not have the right to use her land and money in order to impose Federal control over a portion of the state.  No one has a right to change the form of government into more dictatorial control.  She owns the land, not the government in whose jurisdiction it is, and she has no right to change that.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is trying to manipulate people into supporting her political agenda for Federal control.  If she could have unilaterally flipped the land to the National Park Service, as she appears to have expected to be able to do in the beginning, she would have done it by now.  She needs an appearance of popular support in order to obtain Congressional authorization for the National Park Service to begin a New Area Study planning how it would “feasibly” control and promote the area to obtain further Congressional authorization to take it over. 

    Quimby has political ambitions to change the form of government over a portion of Maine in which she wants to eliminate the very possibility of private property rights on principle in perpetuity through Federal control.  She has no right to do that, and no means by which to do it without political support within the state — unless she pulls a stunt like getting Obama to unilaterally declare it to be a National Monument, which presidents have done in the past through abuse of power under the Antiquities Act to bypass the requirement for Congressional authorization.

    She has arrogantly been trying to buy government control and public policy through a “gift” of land and money to the Federal government.  People naturally resent that and feel used that she is trying to manipulate and push them into giving her the support she needs for her personal political power play.

  • Anonymous

    The majority do not support a Federal takeover.  This radical scheme has been rejected in Maine for decades.  The activists (including BDN) do the equivalent of push polling, trying to sell the agenda as if it meant a permanent, year round scenic vacation with money falling from the sky.  That is not reality.  When sensible people realize that the agenda is Federal control from Washington with no local accountability, the further removal of and restriction on industry by preservationists, and the trampling of private property rights through devices like eminent domain — for which the national Park Service is notorious in Maine and elsewhere — they do not want it.   That is why it has been rejected since it was first promoted in 1988 by the viro lobby based on a plan developed in Wasington DC by the National Park Service and its pressure groups.

  • Anonymous

    The tree growth tax classification does not “shift the tax burden back on everyone else”.  It is a current use assessment that prevents owners of woodlands from being forced to pay virtually all the costs of government, including schools, in the UT.  Large landowners are already paying for most of it and without the tree growth tax assessment ownership of land would be impossible under the burden discriminating against landowners.

    There is no excuse for a “moratorium” preventing a property owner from building on his own land.  That is Greenlining. 

  • Anonymous

    I do not need to twist your words.

  • Anonymous

    It is a certainly  a start.

  • Anonymous

    Their is plenty of information on a National Park out there. One only has to look, and also read and listen to what she has said.

  • Anonymous

    Invest what? Please tell me? To give our children and grandchildren a bigger deficit?

  • Anonymous

    Who are you kidding, Medway has always had mind of their own. Time will tell on a National Park, I am sure I will not be around if it happens.

  • Anonymous

    One of our town councilors want to develop Jerry Pond.

  • Anonymous

    Here are the questions I have regarding a National Park…
    1.) does it have National significance?
    2.) is it a National Treasure?
    3.)Will it diminish the already stressed resources of the National Park service, where hundreds of Historical sites lie in disrepair and hundreds of visitor facilities are in desperate need of maintenance?
    4.) How many permanent jobs will it create?
    5.) will it create mostly seasonal jobs approx 2 months?
    6.) many parks are run by mostly volunteers, will this be?
    7.) Can the country afford to spend more money on another National Park?
    8.) What will the long term cost to taxpayers be?
    9.) When Congress mandates preservation of the people’s culture, do federal regulations surmount the culture and diminish it?
    10)Do the bureaucrats actually care and can they be trusted?
    11.)Will it imposed another layer of bureaucracy in the decision making process of the State and Municipalities?

    My answer…No National Park…we can’t afford it!

  • Anonymous

    No it is not! Where is all the money coming from once Quimby’s donation runs out…China!

  • Anonymous

    No it is not! Where is all the money coming from once Quimby’s donation runs out…China!

  • Anonymous

    No it is not! Where is all the money coming from once Quimby’s donation runs out…China!

  • Anonymous

    Nick what do you expect? You have a story in the BDN every day about this NP and the same wackoos show up spewing. This is exactly why there should be NO comments allowed on any stories!!! 

  • Anonymous

    I say Medway can and better speak up for the whole region which I see as the whole Penobscot watershed, before Millinocket demands the right to vote on how everyone gets to use thier own land.  

    If Millinocket hates it so, I say Bangor might as well start saying it’s the real gateway to The Great North Woods. 
    It was long before Millinocket existed, so it is historically valid.

  • Anonymous

    “I don’t buy the economic benefits” of a national park, Thomas said. “I think at the very least we should wait until we know what is going to happen with the mills in Millinocket.”
     
    Good morning, Senator Thomas. ” What is going to happen with the mills in Millinocket” is what has happened with the mills in Millinocket!  Time to wake up and smell the coffee!! :)

  • Anonymous

    Keep it up and the ole gal will change her will , leaving the whole kit and kabboodle to PETA,
    just to return all your spitefulness.
     
     
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/cynthia.dill Cynthia Ann Dill

    Thank you Secretary Salazar for traveling all the way to northern Maine to hear our voices. You are a remarkable, caring and decent person. Some of us may have been rude, please forgive us. We are honored by your attention and open minded discourse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cynthia.dill Cynthia Ann Dill

    Thank you Secretary Salazar for traveling all the way to northern Maine to hear our voices. You are a remarkable, caring and decent person. Some of us may have been rude, please forgive us. We are honored by your attention and open minded discourse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cynthia.dill Cynthia Ann Dill

    It would have been nice if Senator Thomas mentioned that one of his colleagues from the Maine Senate was also in the audience, but then again, I support the park.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cynthia.dill Cynthia Ann Dill

    It would have been nice if Senator Thomas mentioned that one of his colleagues from the Maine Senate was also in the audience, but then again, I support the park.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cynthia.dill Cynthia Ann Dill

    It would have been nice if Senator Thomas mentioned that one of his colleagues from the Maine Senate was also in the audience, but then again, I support the park.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cynthia.dill Cynthia Ann Dill

    It would have been nice if Senator Thomas mentioned that one of his colleagues from the Maine Senate was also in the audience, but then again, I support the park.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cynthia.dill Cynthia Ann Dill

    It would have been nice if Senator Thomas mentioned that one of his colleagues from the Maine Senate was also in the audience, but then again, I support the park.

  • Anonymous

    paraniod much?!

  • Anonymous

    Interesting Fiction

  • MaineMountainLover

    EWV. you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to make up your own facts. OK, your friends don’t want a park and that is YOUR private majority. But the fact is that when Mainers around the state have been polled on this question, including in this paper a couple of months ago (70% pro-park!) the majority of Maine citizens North and South, say YES to a North Woods National Park. Your side has prevailed until now and this state, especially the North is one big mess because of your unimaginative, stuck-in-the-past leadership. A growing majority of citizens  simply no longer accepts your continuous failures that have hurt so many people for so long. The park is needed, for the benefit of the majority. We will own it together and Mainers will henefit the most from it. And the truth is: Maine has the land to accommodate both a new national park and a sustainable forest products industry.

  • MaineMountainLover

    EWV. you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to make up your own facts. OK, your friends don’t want a park and that is YOUR private majority. But the fact is that when Mainers around the state have been polled on this question, including in this paper a couple of months ago (70% pro-park!) the majority of Maine citizens North and South, say YES to a North Woods National Park. Your side has prevailed until now and this state, especially the North is one big mess because of your unimaginative, stuck-in-the-past leadership. A growing majority of citizens  simply no longer accepts your continuous failures that have hurt so many people for so long. The park is needed, for the benefit of the majority. We will own it together and Mainers will henefit the most from it. And the truth is: Maine has the land to accommodate both a new national park and a sustainable forest products industry.

  • Anonymous

    We didn’t start this-
    We were not the ones that had planned this for years-
    We were not the ones that browbeat town officials-

    But many are saying that it has changed who they do business with…!
     

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  • Anonymous

    We didn’t start this-
    We were not the ones that had planned this for years-
    We were not the ones that browbeat town officials-

    But many are saying that it has changed who they do business with…!
     

    .

  • Anonymous

    We didn’t start this-
    We were not the ones that had planned this for years-
    We were not the ones that browbeat town officials-

    But many are saying that it has changed who they do business with…!
     

    .

  • Anonymous

    We didn’t start this-
    We were not the ones that had planned this for years-
    We were not the ones that browbeat town officials-

    But many are saying that it has changed who they do business with…!
     

    .

  • Anonymous

    We didn’t start this-
    We were not the ones that had planned this for years-
    We were not the ones that browbeat town officials-

    But many are saying that it has changed who they do business with…!
     

    .

  • Anonymous

    We didn’t start this-
    We were not the ones that had planned this for years-
    We were not the ones that browbeat town officials-

    But many are saying that it has changed who they do business with…!
     

    .

  • Anonymous

    We didn’t start this-
    We were not the ones that had planned this for years-
    We were not the ones that browbeat town officials-

    But many are saying that it has changed who they do business with…!
     

    .

  • Anonymous

    No, ewv is omniscient. He knows everything about anything. I wouldn’t question him, he may blow something!

  • Anonymous

    It won’t matter because soon there won’t be businesses there to do business with.

    Sure isn’t what it was like when I grew up there! Back in the good old days…..there weren’t empty stores on Main St….people had the disposable income to spend on whatever they wanted. Businesses flourished. Now a lot of people can barely afford to buy groceries.

    I hope this park goes through for no other reason than to bring back those days when we didn’t have to leave town for anything and going to Bangor a few times a year was a big deal and a real treat!  When schools didn’t have to cut needed positions and the kids had plenty of electives to chose from.

    Times have changed and we need to figure out how to bring the towns to what they were through diversifying the economy. I’ve paid attention when Millinocket went through the BrimmNess stuff along with all the other snake oil salesmen that have wanted grant money and funding….gave everyone hope and left them high and dry.

    What would you suggest happen to do that? Any ideas how to get this started? I’ve heard we don’t need a national park, we can do it here on our own. WHEN? When are we going to do it on our own? No one can agree on anything! I really would hate to see the area gone in 50 years because that is seriously what I see happening if we don’t do something NOW! We can’t wait any longer…..

  • MaineMountainLover

    Bob, I suspect that most of the anti-park posters here have not set foot in a national park, so there is lots of words with no knowledge behind it. They are writing out of pure anti-American, we-can’t-do-anything-right nonsense. This country has made a ton of mistakes, but we do alot of things right. The National Park Service is one of the things that our country does right, along with winning WWII, landing a man on the moon, building a great interstate highway system, taking care of seniors with Medicare and Social Security, keeping the unemployed afloat with federal unemployment benefits, trying to provide clean air and clean water for all of us, on and on. What a bunch of selfish and close minded people to repeatedly tell us what incompetent losers the whole country is, except for the complainers who obviously must be perfect. And these unimaginative complainers want us to continue going down with them on the Millinocket Titanic! I prefer to move forward into the 21st century and stop the whining about paper mill glory days that are gone forever. Maine needs both the North Woods National Park and a sustainable forest products industry. Let’s do them both now.

  • Anonymous

    Now because someone doesn’t share your personal view on a park they are trying to take a constitutional right away from you. I don’t think anyone told you that you could not speak your piece. But I know I have been told by you to cease writing and I have seen you tell others via post to do the same. If you really believe that all the naysayers  are just a group of courteous folks who politely say they don’t want a park then a reality check is needed.

  • Anonymous

    If it was a park it would be in the governments hands what is allowed and what is not. Quimby would have zero input. They go by public opinion of what the park goers want. They allow snowmobile in Yellowstone. The park system has recently reduced the number allowed from 720 a day to 300(?) a day. That is what the visitors of the park wanted. They also allow 78 snow coaches (vans set up for driving on snow) per a day to drive throughout the park in winter. Quimby loses her say when she hands over her deed.

  • Anonymous

    You forget Millinocket no longer has a functioning mill.  Will it cease to be a mill town if the Governor cannot find a buyer and is decommissioned by the owners? Your knowledge and insights into all things is impressive. Keep up the books on tape!

  • Anonymous

    Glad you are here to set all us chumps straight. 

  • Anonymous

    Maine has been under the control of the progressives and the viros for decades.  They have destroyed the economy.  They are the ones who are hurting people.  The viros are the ones who hate logging and who have been harassing and destroying industry. 

    The viro pressure groups are the ones who collaborated with the National Park Service to harass the Saddleback Ski Area for twenty years to try to shut it down — because wilderness hikers don’t want to have to “see” the ski trails and want the whole Mountain.  The viros and the National Park Service are the ones who push people around at Acadia with eminent domain to seize their land — while Quimby snatches up their land that they can’t use and can’t sell to anyone else, so that Quimby can flip it to the National Park Service.  The viros and the National Park Service are the ones who trampled the civil rights of people downeast, trying to grab control of the land with their “National Landmark” scams in an ugly assault sustained for years that had to be stopped by George Mitchell. 

    The National Park Service is a top-down agency that does what it wants to in the name of “national significance”, which means that local people don’t matter.  The park and wilderness Federal takeover activists have been pushing this for decades based on plans developed in Washington, DC.  They want the land and they want wilderness for themselves — millions of acres destroying private property rights and the economy.  They have been thoroughly rejected across the state for good reason.  Push polls misrepresenting Federal control as though it meant living in a year-round scenic vacation with money falling from the sky for “the economy” are dishonest.  The stale rhetoric and imagery of Federal control activists has been pushed on us for years.  Get out of our lives and stay out.

  • Anonymous

    Maine has been under the control of the progressives and the viros for decades.  They have destroyed the economy.  They are the ones who are hurting people.  The viros are the ones who hate logging and who have been harassing and destroying industry. 

    The viro pressure groups are the ones who collaborated with the National Park Service to harass the Saddleback Ski Area for twenty years to try to shut it down — because wilderness hikers don’t want to have to “see” the ski trails and want the whole Mountain.  The viros and the National Park Service are the ones who push people around at Acadia with eminent domain to seize their land — while Quimby snatches up their land that they can’t use and can’t sell to anyone else, so that Quimby can flip it to the National Park Service.  The viros and the National Park Service are the ones who trampled the civil rights of people downeast, trying to grab control of the land with their “National Landmark” scams in an ugly assault sustained for years that had to be stopped by George Mitchell. 

    The National Park Service is a top-down agency that does what it wants to in the name of “national significance”, which means that local people don’t matter.  The park and wilderness Federal takeover activists have been pushing this for decades based on plans developed in Washington, DC.  They want the land and they want wilderness for themselves — millions of acres destroying private property rights and the economy.  They have been thoroughly rejected across the state for good reason.  Push polls misrepresenting Federal control as though it meant living in a year-round scenic vacation with money falling from the sky for “the economy” are dishonest.  The stale rhetoric and imagery of Federal control activists has been pushed on us for years.  Get out of our lives and stay out.

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t just the monetary costs taken from the economy that we can’t afford.  We can’t afford the loss of civil rights and freedom under Federal control demanded by the park and wilderness lobby.  

  • Anonymous

    We are not “honored” by a professional politician from Washington — formerly a US Senator (D) from  Colorado — barging into Maine to promote a Federal takeover.

    Cynthia Dill is a radical progressive state Senator from southern Maine who likes schmoozing with big shots while pretending she represents rural people.  If you want to see “rudeness” read her radical, sneering Huffington Post style blog.  She wants other people’s land in rural Maine taken away and used as a playground for the wealthy in southern Maine and Washington DC. She is one of only 3 southern Maine politicians who opposed the resolution in the state legislature reaffirming rejection of the Federal takeover and telling Salazar to butt out..

  • Anonymous

    CantAfford2Retire, I don’t think anyone should be harassed in any shape or form whether they are for or against the park. That is wrong. By the same token you cannot sit there and say that the folks who don’t want the park have always acted civilly and disagreed with other opposing views respectfully. People can write/call their town halls  and be upset with them, I’ve done it over property taxes. The folks in the town hall shouldn’t be treated ill but you should be able to speak your piece.  If I had a business in Millinocket I would be upset with the town manager/councilmen for a decision they made that would hurt my livelihood. I am sure you would be angry too.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is already “doing it on her own” — with a lot of help from her Washington DC connections.  She is buying as much land as she can get her hands on to prevent human use.  She already has a park — on land where she has closed access except for wilderness hiking.  It sure hasn’t helped the economy.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed.The reactions are so extreme and politicized. How can educating oneself about what a park actually means for the area in any way be a bad thing?

  • Anonymous

    Almost everyone has “set foot” in a National Park.  Some of those who oppose the Federal takeover have also had the National Park Service “set foot” with its boot on our necks as it tries to grab our property.  There is more “knowledge” behind opposition to that than anyone should have to be subjected to through personal experience.  We know the kind of power and corruption the National Park Service represents as it hides behind the scenery.

    None of us “repeatedly tell [him] what incompetent losers the whole country is”.  No one has said anything remotely like that.  Mountainlover is a radical preservationist and big government statist who smears anyone opposed to his power grab as “closed minded” — he wants us to have a passive mind “open” to whatever garbage he wants to put into it, without regard to prior knowledge and experience of what is wrong with his failed agenda.  Progressives always want their victims to be “open” to accepting progressively more and more social controls.  They denounce individualism as “selfish” and demand human sacrifice to the state, completely contrary to what this country is supposed to mean.

    If you want to see what unselfish sacrifice for “the good of all” means in practice under the National Park Service watch the PBS Frontlines documentary For the Good of All on what the National Park Service did at the Cuyahoga National Park in Ohio.  http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm

  • Anonymous

    Almost everyone has “set foot” in a National Park.  Some of those who oppose the Federal takeover have also had the National Park Service “set foot” with its boot on our necks as it tries to grab our property.  There is more “knowledge” behind opposition to that than anyone should have to be subjected to through personal experience.  We know the kind of power and corruption the National Park Service represents as it hides behind the scenery.

    None of us “repeatedly tell [him] what incompetent losers the whole country is”.  No one has said anything remotely like that.  Mountainlover is a radical preservationist and big government statist who smears anyone opposed to his power grab as “closed minded” — he wants us to have a passive mind “open” to whatever garbage he wants to put into it, without regard to prior knowledge and experience of what is wrong with his failed agenda.  Progressives always want their victims to be “open” to accepting progressively more and more social controls.  They denounce individualism as “selfish” and demand human sacrifice to the state, completely contrary to what this country is supposed to mean.

    If you want to see what unselfish sacrifice for “the good of all” means in practice under the National Park Service watch the PBS Frontlines documentary For the Good of All on what the National Park Service did at the Cuyahoga National Park in Ohio.  http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm

  • Anonymous

    Cecil Gray’s repetitive smearing and name-calling is what is “repugnant”, but that is a side show.

  • Anonymous

    Roxanne Quimby wants to donate 100,000 acres of her land to be used by the people of Maine and elsewhere in a variety of ways which include all of the traditional uses of the North Maine woods. Roxanne Quimby, could have just as well shut off those 100,000 acres so that ethical hunters, snowmobilers, woodcutters, etc would not have use of the land simply because the land is posted, Of course there are a lot of unethical people who think they can do whatever they want on the land no matter what. Yet, they insist it is her land and she can do what she wants with it but will trespass anyway. Not only will many people benefit from her generosity but the surrounding area may have an economic boom. I don’t get why some people in the area are so afraid to have a study, get educated about the real pros and cons and then let the chips fall where they may. The idea that the US Government has the millions of acres of Maine’s North woods on their radar screen in some huge subversive plot is preposterous. This issue is politicized just like everything else these days and it gets tiresome and ugly.

  • Anonymous

    All good questions. Get the study done!

  • Anonymous

    What in that statement do they deny? That Salazar is a sophisticated former US Senator?  That he wants Federal control in Maine?  That he is a powerful top official in the Obama administration (not just a ‘nice guy in a baseball cap’)?  That he doesn’t want people talking about the record of abuse and corruption by the National Park Service?  That he is bypassing Congress in imposing controversial wilderness policies on Federal land in the west?  — He is being sued for that by Utah and the House appropriations committee is threatening to withhold funds for him to implement his policies.

    The Quimby pressure group doesn’t want people to know the meaning and background of their own campaign and its activists — dare to discuss it and you are smeared as “paranoid”.  Knowledge contradicting the campaign imagery is not permitted.

  • Anonymous

    FYI: the USPS is not funded by the federal government

  • Anonymous

    FYI: the USPS is not funded by the federal government

  • Anonymous

    If you show me where I told anyone they could not write their opinion I certainly wish you would show me? If that is the case that I did, I would appoligize in no uncertain terms. I know some on this side of the issue have  too strongly said or worded their comments and I have said to others I do not believe they should of said it that way. Though, I will not say some of the verbage that has been side on your side of the issue also, what I would not repeat.
    As I said I want you to show me the post where I have told someone to stop writing?

  • Anonymous

    Interesting that you use the choice of “broken record”. You  are correct though I do no have any right to her “land”.

  • Anonymous

    “he wants Federal control of Maine.”  Really? Hmmm… Paranoid much? 

  • Anonymous

    I was using that as an illustration. If you want a more closer one, look at the shape the National Parks are in now. I compliment you for at least not correcting my spelling :).

  • Anonymous

    Maybe if they all had sat in the same area, he would of.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe if they all had sat in the same area, he would of.

  • Anonymous

    She does not own all the land we the people of Maine own all the great ponds and the land under those great ponds !

  • Anonymous

    She does not own all the land we the people of Maine own all the great ponds and the land under those great ponds !

  • Anonymous

    I have been watching and listening for over 1o yrs, maybe more.

  • Anonymous

    I have been watching and listening for over 1o yrs, maybe more.

  • Anonymous

    LOL!!!  Don’t you think if the feds were looking for some sort of a rural New England takeover they’d start with Vermont?!  Progressive, liberal, with a socialist Senator Vermont?

  • Anonymous

    Then how come only 46 voted.

  • Anonymous

    So you believe in communism where no one has an opinion.

  • Anonymous

    Comming from a Liberal preservationist or should we say a communist !

  • Anonymous

    Salazar and the National Park Service want Federal control of millions of acres in Maine as described in the National Park System Plan produced in Washington by NPS planners and their lobbyists. The ability to read and understand that is not “paranoia”, and neither does it require “omniscience”. Activists jeering at fabricated quotes is dishonest. Sensible people reading these comments understand that. This plan has been promoted and rejected in Maine for decades. It has been promoted in a major media campaign and to Congress. Ignorance of that is not an excuse to call other people “paranoid”.

  • Anonymous

    Salazar and the National Park Service want Federal control of millions of acres in Maine as described in the National Park System Plan produced in Washington by NPS planners and their lobbyists. The ability to read and understand that is not “paranoia”, and neither does it require “omniscience”. Activists jeering at fabricated quotes is dishonest. Sensible people reading these comments understand that. This plan has been promoted and rejected in Maine for decades. It has been promoted in a major media campaign and to Congress. Ignorance of that is not an excuse to call other people “paranoid”.

  • Anonymous

    Salazar and the National Park Service want Federal control of millions of acres in Maine as described in the National Park System Plan produced in Washington by NPS planners and their lobbyists. The ability to read and understand that is not “paranoia”, and neither does it require “omniscience”. Activists jeering at fabricated quotes is dishonest. Sensible people reading these comments understand that. This plan has been promoted and rejected in Maine for decades. It has been promoted in a major media campaign and to Congress. Ignorance of that is not an excuse to call other people “paranoid”.

  • Anonymous

    Salazar and the National Park Service want Federal control of millions of acres in Maine as described in the National Park System Plan produced in Washington by NPS planners and their lobbyists. The ability to read and understand that is not “paranoia”, and neither does it require “omniscience”. Activists jeering at fabricated quotes is dishonest. Sensible people reading these comments understand that. This plan has been promoted and rejected in Maine for decades. It has been promoted in a major media campaign and to Congress. Ignorance of that is not an excuse to call other people “paranoid”.

  • Anonymous

    Salazar and the National Park Service want Federal control of millions of acres in Maine as described in the National Park System Plan produced in Washington by NPS planners and their lobbyists. The ability to read and understand that is not “paranoia”, and neither does it require “omniscience”. Activists jeering at fabricated quotes is dishonest. Sensible people reading these comments understand that. This plan has been promoted and rejected in Maine for decades. It has been promoted in a major media campaign and to Congress. Ignorance of that is not an excuse to call other people “paranoid”.

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