Maine Snowmobile Association slams Quimby’s park effort

Roxanne Quimby talks about her plans for her land  in Millinocket recently.
Gabor Degre | BDN
Roxanne Quimby talks about her plans for her land in Millinocket recently.
Posted Aug. 17, 2011, at 8:15 p.m.
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AUGUSTA, Maine — The state’s largest snowmobiling organization accused environmentalist Roxanne Quimby’s land manager on Wednesday of using coercive tactics to get support for a federal feasibility study of her proposed national park.

Bob Meyers, executive director of the Maine Snowmobile Association, said that at meetings at snowsledding clubs in Brownville on Aug. 1 and Medway on Aug. 2, land manager Mark Leathers told club members that in exchange for letters supporting a study, they would be allowed to use trails on Quimby’s land for another year.

Implied but never stated was the idea that club opposition to a study, or to Quimby’s proposal to give 70,000 acres she owns to the federal government for a park, could force the partial closure or relocation of a snowmobile trail, Meyers said.

“It puts the clubs in a terrible position because it is a huge job to relocate one of those trails,” Meyers said Wednesday. “She has the right to do this. What we are taking exception to is her using it as a wedge to force people to do something that they didn’t necessarily want to do.”

Leathers did not deny Meyers’ claims when interviewed briefly on Wednesday. Nor would he say whether any clubs had lost access to trails that ran across Quimby lands, or whether any would.

“I don’t want to say anything that would jeopardize our efforts to find a solution for the trail needs of the local snowmobile clubs,” said Leathers, an employee of the James W. Sewall Co. of Old Town who often acts as Quimby’s spokesman on the national park plan.

Meyers’ statements followed a meeting on Tuesday in Dixmont in which the Maine Snowmobile Association’s board of directors voted unanimously to reaffirm their opposition to a national park on Quimby’s land between the Penobscot River’s east branch and Baxter State Park.

The directors cited the loss of local and state control of the area to the federal government, the loss of traditional recreational activities and the intrusions on abutting private landowners within the confines of a national park. The directors passed a similar resolution in 2001.

Created in 1968, the Maine Snowmobile Association claims more than 26,000 members, including volunteers from more than 285 Maine snowmobile clubs that maintain trails and relations with landowners who accommodate trails. More than 2,200 businesses support the association, according to its Website, mesnow.com.

The directors’ stance aligns them with Maine’s two Republican senators, the state Legislature, the Millinocket Town Council, Maine Woods Coalition and the Millinocket Fin and Feather Club in opposing or expressing skepticism about Quimby’s plan.

Democratic Rep. Chellie Pingree, Medway’s school board and Board of Selectmen, and several Katahdin region civic and business groups have supported a feasibility study, with Medway selectmen forming a committee that is leading a statewide push for the study.

Gov. Paul LePage has said he won’t yet take sides on the issue, although he has publicly expressed skepticism about it.

Access to snowmobile trails has been among the most contentious issues between Quimby, clubs and residents of northern Maine since she began buying large swaths of the North Woods more than a decade ago.

Recreation enthusiasts, many of them champions for the rights of private landowners, have condemned Quimby for the loss of access, saying it threatens livelihoods and local economies, particularly with a snowmobiling industry that generates $300 million to $350 million for Maine annually.

Quimby has responded that as a private landowner, she has the right to determine who uses her lands and is liable for damage done to those lands.

Interconnected Trail System 85, an important snowmobile conduit linking Aroostook County to southern Maine, has been relocated twice from or on Quimby property in accordance with her wishes, though not during the snowmobile season, Meyers said.

“That’s the most important trail on her lands,” Meyers said.

For snowmobilers, loss of that trail’s use during winter because of a sudden relocation “would be like shutting down the Interstate from Medway to Houlton and saying we can’t use it for a year,” Meyers said.

Meyers and his board of directors slammed Quimby and Leathers in a press statement issued Wednesday.

“We’re disappointed that Ms. Quimby and her land managers feel the need to threaten the volunteers of these snowmobile clubs with a loss of access in order to advance their agenda,” Meyers said. “Our members have the highest respect for the rights of private landowners, but to hold a gun to the heads of these volunteers is disgraceful.”

“We believe it speaks volumes to the level of support that is really out there for Quimby’s park proposal,” Meyers added. “It’s ironic that while Ms. Quimby speaks of her desire to spark economic activity in the region at public meetings, behind the scenes she and her representatives are threatening the livelihoods of dozens of small family-owned businesses in towns like Medway, Mount Chase, Patten and Brownville.”

Meyers said he emailed Quimby the day after the Medway meeting to complain about Leathers’ statements. He said he never heard back. He said he found Leathers’ approach and Quimby’s nonresponse troubling, given the history between snowmobilers and Quimby.

“That’s the other thing that really bothered me. During the past 10 years in which she has owned land up there the clubs have just been uniformly respectful of her and accommodating to her,” Meyers said. “That’s why I felt that this was a real slap in the face.”

Quimby is due to attend a town meeting at 7 p.m. Thursday at Medway Middle School to discuss her proposal. That is 2½ hours after U.S. Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar and National Park Service Director Jon Jarvis will visit Stearns High School in Millinocket to hear about that plan.

Meyers said he will not attend the meetings.

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  • Anonymous

    I don’t like coercion in any form.  She has the right to shut down the trail, she should just do it if she wants.  No need to twist arms.

    It’s worth noting that MSA has never seemed to have a problem when the large landowners threatened to shut down trails if they didn’t march in step.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t like coercion in any form.  She has the right to shut down the trail, she should just do it if she wants.  No need to twist arms.

    It’s worth noting that MSA has never seemed to have a problem when the large landowners threatened to shut down trails if they didn’t march in step.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t like coercion in any form.  She has the right to shut down the trail, she should just do it if she wants.  No need to twist arms.

    It’s worth noting that MSA has never seemed to have a problem when the large landowners threatened to shut down trails if they didn’t march in step.

  • Anonymous

    Good job Maine Snowmobile Association that why i am a member and always will !

  • Anonymous

    A wedge or a bargaining tool?……..Depends which side you’re on.

  • Anonymous

    good for you….I hope you like the membership fee increase to pay for bob’s pension! Why doesnt the BDN interview the local clubs that have to do all the work? I’m surprized of his efforts because the issue is north of Bangor!

  • Anonymous

    National Parks are for people to enjoy.She has taken out bridges and blocked roads.What about elderly and disabled?

  • Anonymous

    National Parks are for people to enjoy.She has taken out bridges and blocked roads.What about elderly and disabled?

  • Anonymous

    Snowmobilers bring in a chunk of change for the ENTIRE state. The Maine snowmobile is a great Association that help bring in millions of dollars to area’s that depend on it. Miss QueenBee need’s to pack up her dog and pony show and go back to where she came from. God Bless MSA.

  • Anonymous

    Snowmobilers bring in a chunk of change for the ENTIRE state. The Maine snowmobile is a great Association that help bring in millions of dollars to area’s that depend on it. Miss QueenBee need’s to pack up her dog and pony show and go back to where she came from. God Bless MSA.

  • Anonymous

    Snowmobilers bring in a chunk of change for the ENTIRE state. The Maine snowmobile is a great Association that help bring in millions of dollars to area’s that depend on it. Miss QueenBee need’s to pack up her dog and pony show and go back to where she came from. God Bless MSA.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FUZCZRE3ELLG2BJSR32LNHHZDY Ralph

    Roxanne, let’s change everyone’s way of life so you can leave a legacy. Pardon us if we know a megalomaniac when we see one. Your lands can be laid waste by a single person with a twelve-pak and a 5 gallon can of diesel fuel. Any reasonable person would be more careful about tinkering with the heritage of a region. You’re making enemies, not supporters out of proud people with a proud heritage

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FUZCZRE3ELLG2BJSR32LNHHZDY Ralph

    Roxanne, let’s change everyone’s way of life so you can leave a legacy. Pardon us if we know a megalomaniac when we see one. Your lands can be laid waste by a single person with a twelve-pak and a 5 gallon can of diesel fuel. Any reasonable person would be more careful about tinkering with the heritage of a region. You’re making enemies, not supporters out of proud people with a proud heritage

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FUZCZRE3ELLG2BJSR32LNHHZDY Ralph

    Roxanne, let’s change everyone’s way of life so you can leave a legacy. Pardon us if we know a megalomaniac when we see one. Your lands can be laid waste by a single person with a twelve-pak and a 5 gallon can of diesel fuel. Any reasonable person would be more careful about tinkering with the heritage of a region. You’re making enemies, not supporters out of proud people with a proud heritage

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristen-Nicholson/1218480030 Kristen Nicholson

    I would rather pay to use the trails than to let Quimby control a State she wasn’t born or raised in. Its very disappointing that she feels the need to threaten. If she is going to shut down the trails she should just do it and get it over with instead of putting people in this position. Fundraisers should be started so the association can make new trails since it is obviously going to have to happen in the future.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristen-Nicholson/1218480030 Kristen Nicholson

    I would rather pay to use the trails than to let Quimby control a State she wasn’t born or raised in. Its very disappointing that she feels the need to threaten. If she is going to shut down the trails she should just do it and get it over with instead of putting people in this position. Fundraisers should be started so the association can make new trails since it is obviously going to have to happen in the future.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristen-Nicholson/1218480030 Kristen Nicholson

    I would rather pay to use the trails than to let Quimby control a State she wasn’t born or raised in. Its very disappointing that she feels the need to threaten. If she is going to shut down the trails she should just do it and get it over with instead of putting people in this position. Fundraisers should be started so the association can make new trails since it is obviously going to have to happen in the future.

  • Anonymous

    This story has to be read to Mr. Salazar when he come’s to Millincket. And sent to Snow and Collins as well.

  • Anonymous

    This story has to be read to Mr. Salazar when he come’s to Millincket. And sent to Snow and Collins as well.

  • Anonymous

    This story has to be read to Mr. Salazar when he come’s to Millincket. And sent to Snow and Collins as well.

  • Anonymous

    Her true colors are now starting to show..

  • Jollyroger

    Oh gee. There aren’t enough places to snowmobile? Wah.

    Wah.
    Wah.
    Wah.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, something is fishy here. Suspect the local clubs are not thrilled about the state organizations position. Some things are not always as they appear on the surface.

  • Matt

    She says that she is responsible for the damage on the land, why hasn’t she pointed out that she has burned camps that were on the land and left what didnt burn where it sat? Why hasn’t she pointed out that the land in the Brownville area had camps on them and she burried them, asphalt shingles and all to pollute the ground? She does this to her land but yet she is worried about snowmobile tracks in the snow that will melt in the spring. I think she needs a reality check. I would say the next time she buys land and wants it in tree growth to save her tax money, the state should tell her no unless people are allowed to use her land. Her shutting down the land in these area results in money lost for the state and the local communities.

  • Anonymous

    All you spoiled John hippies  running around playing games.   What you done on to other land owners she will do on to you.   We are NOT a socialist country and land owners still some rights over their own land!

  • Anonymous

    All you spoiled John hippies  running around playing games.   What you done on to other land owners she will do on to you.   We are NOT a socialist country and land owners still some rights over their own land!

  • Anonymous

    All you spoiled John hippies  running around playing games.   What you done on to other land owners she will do on to you.   We are NOT a socialist country and land owners still some rights over their own land!

  • Anonymous

    All you spoiled John hippies  running around playing games.   What you done on to other land owners she will do on to you.   We are NOT a socialist country and land owners still some rights over their own land!

  • Anonymous

    All you spoiled John hippies  running around playing games.   What you done on to other land owners she will do on to you.   We are NOT a socialist country and land owners still some rights over their own land!

  • Anonymous

    All you spoiled John hippies  running around playing games.   What you done on to other land owners she will do on to you.   We are NOT a socialist country and land owners still some rights over their own land!

  • Anonymous

    All you spoiled John hippies  running around playing games.   What you done on to other land owners she will do on to you.   We are NOT a socialist country and land owners still some rights over their own land!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Davida-Willette/100000655412147 Davida Willette

    glad they are standing up to her just like obama and the congress should make the rich like her pay out for a change 

  • Anonymous

    “Meyers said he will not attend the meetings” Sorry Bob, but the MSA needs new leadership….Are you sure you are not from Millinocket??

  • Anonymous

    “Meyers said he will not attend the meetings” Sorry Bob, but the MSA needs new leadership….Are you sure you are not from Millinocket??

  • Anonymous

    “Meyers said he will not attend the meetings” Sorry Bob, but the MSA needs new leadership….Are you sure you are not from Millinocket??

  • Anonymous

    “Meyers said he will not attend the meetings” Sorry Bob, but the MSA needs new leadership….Are you sure you are not from Millinocket??

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Maine has over 16,000,000 acres of productive forest land. How is it that taking 70,000 acres out of the mix is going to have such a huge impact?

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Maine has over 16,000,000 acres of productive forest land. How is it that taking 70,000 acres out of the mix is going to have such a huge impact?

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Maine has over 16,000,000 acres of productive forest land. How is it that taking 70,000 acres out of the mix is going to have such a huge impact?

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Maine has over 16,000,000 acres of productive forest land. How is it that taking 70,000 acres out of the mix is going to have such a huge impact?

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Maine has over 16,000,000 acres of productive forest land. How is it that taking 70,000 acres out of the mix is going to have such a huge impact?

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Maine has over 16,000,000 acres of productive forest land. How is it that taking 70,000 acres out of the mix is going to have such a huge impact?

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Maine has over 16,000,000 acres of productive forest land. How is it that taking 70,000 acres out of the mix is going to have such a huge impact?

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Maine has over 16,000,000 acres of productive forest land. How is it that taking 70,000 acres out of the mix is going to have such a huge impact?

  • Anonymous

    The Truth of this is starting to come out!

  • Anonymous

    “Isolationists” will ultimately end up isolated…Alone in the woods can be scary Kristen…Do you own a flashlight??….

  • Anonymous

    That is just the start, this has been going on for over 10 years.

  • Anonymous

    Why should he, it is the same old rhetoric Quimby has been spewing.

  • Anonymous

    She has already done it, just look at the land she has stopped access too.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you Maine Snowmobile Association!  Quimby chose this time when the people of the area feel desperate for some kind of hope for the area.  When most people want to propose an idea, they have a plan, but she doesn’t even know the land she owns.  She’s NOT being honest about her proposal.  70,000 arcres WILL turn into millions of acres.  And what exactly will this bring to the area?  The entrances to this “park” won’t likely go through to Millinocket, if we’re lucky it would go through Grindstone road… so what kind of business will this really bring?  The tourist, as well as the people that live here, visit and live here for a reason… to enjoy our North Maine Woods!  Snowmobiling, hunting, fishing are what many come here for and why many of us live here.  Don’t forget the Great Ponds and Waters Act.  If we give up our land and tax base to a national park, we will no longer be able to hunt, fish, and fowl on the waters that our forefathers put into act as a law. 
     
    She needs to find her legacy in another state, leave our North Maine Woods to those that truly appreciate it for what it is!

  • Anonymous

    This committee was not formed by the Medway board of selectman.

  • Anonymous

    This committee was not formed by the Medway board of selectman.

  • Anonymous

    Did it ever occur to you that deeded access is more favorable to local clubs. Perhaps the best interest of the local clubs is not playing out in the state organization. Why do you think the local clubs are negotiating their own deals as opposed to working through the state organization or even the local town government. I would suggest they have lost all faith in their elected and appointed officials. Bob Meyers can spin this any way he wants to but the reality is what is best for the the local clubs and hense the local enconomy may not be the same as it is for others. Ask your constituents what they want and represent them first.

  • Anonymous

    I wish you were a member of a school!! Your life would have a brighter future, and your posts would make sense…I read your posts and admire your passion, but sometimes you have to act like a diplomat to get some of what you want in order to not get anything at all. Compromising is not losing, it is a fact of life like it or not. Your pride is not diminished through compromise. Please spread the word “proud one”.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby has offered a gift.  Why anyone refuses this gift
    is baffling.  Timber?  – lots of that out there despite any gift
    (even if the park were 3.2 million acres).   Mills? Trucking?
    Harvesting? Recreation? Hunting? – All these things are diminished or improved
    by political decisions.  Decisions like
    freewheeling wood fiber importation.  The
    “wrong” is the lack of political will to equalize the playing field when the
    relatively small population of rural Maine is matched against Brazil and China.  This is the solvable problem.  Quimby only offers to diversify the wood
    economy not replace or eliminate it.  So
    then, why aren’t there meetings with Maine’s US Congresspersons and Senators
    explaining what they have already allowed to be taken vs. Quimby’s giving? 

    The real challenge isn’t the park; it’s Quimby’s status as an
    outsider.  Fact is, born and raised-in-town
    Mainers are wary of out-of-towners.  Roxanne,
    the battle isn’t what’s the right thing or the best thing.  Your success depends on nudging a protective
    culture born of necessity and hardship to an imaginative population willing to
    become involved in controlling the construction of a future.

  • Anonymous

    Here are some tourist numbers to think about.  The number of visitors is about half of what Ms. Quimby is hoping for. 

    2010 Average Amount Spent per Maine VisitorOvernight VisitorsDaytime Visitors  x $880.00 x $195.00 YearEst. # of Visitors% Overnight VisitorsTotal Amt of Revenue% Daytime VisitorsTotatl Amt of RevenueYearly Total201620,0008,200$7,216,00011,800$2,301,000$9,517,000201722,0009,020$7,937,60012,980$2,531,100$10,468,700201824,2009,922$8,731,36014,278$2,784,210$11,515,570201926,62010,914$9,604,49615,706$3,062,631$12,667,127202029,28212,006$10,564,94617,276$3,368,894$13,933,840202132,21013,206$11,621,44019,004$3,705,784$15,327,224202235,43114,527$12,783,58420,904$4,076,362$16,859,946202338,97415,979$14,061,94322,995$4,483,998$18,545,941202442,87217,577$15,468,13725,294$4,932,398$20,400,535202547,15919,335$17,014,95127,824$5,425,638$22,440,588202651,87521,269$18,716,44630,606$5,968,201$24,684,647202757,06223,396$20,588,09033,667$6,565,022$27,153,112202862,76925,735$22,646,89937,033$7,221,524$29,868,423202969,04528,309$24,911,58940,737$7,943,676$32,855,265203075,95031,139$27,402,74844,810$8,738,044$36,140,792203183,54534,253$30,143,02349,292$9,611,848$39,754,871203291,89937,679$33,157,32554,221$10,573,033$43,730,3582033101,08941,447$36,473,05859,643$11,630,336$48,103,3942034111,19845,591$40,120,36365,607$12,793,370$52,913,7332035122,31850,150$44,132,40072,168$14,072,707$58,205,1062036134,55055,165$48,545,64079,384$15,479,977$64,025,617Also remember, if the National Park doesn’t go through, do you think Ms. Quimby will open up her 70,000 acres to any forestry operations?

  • Anonymous

    Too bad…Bob is loosing his grip on his constituents and has to slam Quimby in a desperate attempt try and hang on to some shred of control.

  • Anonymous

    Gas-guzzling noise-spreading  snowgoers would rather trample the wilds than preserve them.  Who’d a thought?

  • Anonymous

    Why is it that when the State or feds want to enforce environmental rules on landowners to protect all of us, people cry about private property rights?  But then when a private landowner makes property decisions that affect other people’s access to those lands for recreational purposes, that landowner is now the villain??? Just fyi, I don’t really care one way or the other.  It just seems very hypocritical.

  • Anonymous

    Federal control is not a “gift”.  Imposing wilderness under the control of the National Park Service to obliterate private property rights and industry is not “diversifying” an economy, it is an attempt to destroy it on behalf of wilderness “ecosystem restoration”.  Psychologizing about the local population ignores the reasons why sensible people have been opposing this failed political agenda for decades.

  • Anonymous

    Federal control is not a “gift”.  Imposing wilderness under the control of the National Park Service to obliterate private property rights and industry is not “diversifying” an economy, it is an attempt to destroy it on behalf of wilderness “ecosystem restoration”.  Psychologizing about the local population ignores the reasons why sensible people have been opposing this failed political agenda for decades.

  • Anonymous

    “Meyers’ statements followed a meeting on Tuesday in Dixmont in which the
    Maine Snowmobile Association’s board of directors voted unanimously to
    reaffirm their opposition to a national park on Quimby’s land between
    the Penobscot River’s east branch and Baxter State Park”.

  • Anonymous

    yes membership fees did increase but that was mainly to offset fuel costs, and equipment costs. i am a groomer for eastern maine snowmobilers and these things dont run on water and they do break down. this is a great mistake to allow this park to happen mark my words we will regret it.

  • Anonymous

    Members all over the state are furious at Quimby’s threats made to manipulate people into supporting her radical wilderness politics.

  • Anonymous

    i dont care what state she is from, i only know of  her hatred of the people of maine, and this is not just my opinion this is fact i sure some of you keyboard cowboys can find this info. she has a personal agenda and it is not about helping us, at some point it will come out she has been laying low lately but guess what shes back. already starting to see the bumperstickers starting to show up on vehicles again.

  • Anonymous

    The title of the press release was “MSA Reaffirms Opposition to National Park, Condemns Coercive Tactics by Quimby Operatives”. This was a proper response to Quimby’s unethical attempt to change the association’s position.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristen-Nicholson/1218480030 Kristen Nicholson

    Yup I do! :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristen-Nicholson/1218480030 Kristen Nicholson

    Yup I do! :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristen-Nicholson/1218480030 Kristen Nicholson

    Yup I do! :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kristen-Nicholson/1218480030 Kristen Nicholson

    Yup I do! :)

  • Anonymous

    it’s her land though.  if i buy 10 acres or 10,000 acres, i can tell people not to snowmobile on it, can’t I?

  • Anonymous

    it’s her land though.  if i buy 10 acres or 10,000 acres, i can tell people not to snowmobile on it, can’t I?

  • Anonymous

    it’s her land though.  if i buy 10 acres or 10,000 acres, i can tell people not to snowmobile on it, can’t I?

  • Anonymous

    it’s her land though.  if i buy 10 acres or 10,000 acres, i can tell people not to snowmobile on it, can’t I?

  • Anonymous

    it’s her land though.  if i buy 10 acres or 10,000 acres, i can tell people not to snowmobile on it, can’t I?

  • Anonymous

    it’s her land though.  if i buy 10 acres or 10,000 acres, i can tell people not to snowmobile on it, can’t I?

  • Anonymous

    This is the typical arrogant, condescending attitude of preservationists towards people who enjoy themselves in nature without worshiping it.

  • Anonymous

    This is the typical arrogant, condescending attitude of preservationists towards people who enjoy themselves in nature without worshiping it.

  • Anonymous

    Is that like all 4500 residents of Millinocket are opposed to a National Park. I am a member and I am not furious.

  • Anonymous

    Is that like all 4500 residents of Millinocket are opposed to a National Park. I am a member and I am not furious.

  • Anonymous

    Is that like all 4500 residents of Millinocket are opposed to a National Park. I am a member and I am not furious.

  • Anonymous

    Is that like all 4500 residents of Millinocket are opposed to a National Park. I am a member and I am not furious.

  • Anonymous

    Is that like all 4500 residents of Millinocket are opposed to a National Park. I am a member and I am not furious.

  • Anonymous

    You have misunderstood what this is about. 

    Forced preservationism on other people’s private property is not “protecting all of us” – the viro pressure groups hijacking the power of government to seize control of other people’s private property, like for example the infamous ‘bird habitat’ or other Greenline land use prohibitions, or eminent to take property for a National Park, isn’t about preventing dangerous pollutants to protect people. 

    Quimby has a right to use or not use her own land as she wants, but that doesn’t mean that people aren’t rightfully angry at her for needlessly banning traditional uses based on her crazy wilderness agenda, and she does not have a right to impose Federal control, which is not the meaning of property rights.

  • Anonymous

    Yes of course.  But needlessly banning traditional camps and access on behalf of a wilderness agenda is crazy.  People are understandably angry even though they recognize her legal rights.

  • Anonymous

    People are standing up to her but Obama is not.  He appointed her to the board of the government-created National Parks Foundation to promote the National Park Service and its agenda for bureaucratic expansion.  They want hundreds of millions of acres of private property across the country.  Quimby is well-connected with that lobby.

  • Anonymous

    She is doing a lot of crazy things, but aside from her attempt to establish Federal control she has the right to do crazy things on her own property.  The state cannot require granting public access on land that is in tree growth — that ‘current use’ tax assessment classification does not remove the owner’s property rights.

  • Anonymous

    Playgrounds for the rich, to be sustained with poor people’s tax dollars.
    Aaaah, the “party of the little man”….where have you gone, Democratic Party??

  • Anonymous

    Playgrounds for the rich, to be sustained with poor people’s tax dollars.
    Aaaah, the “party of the little man”….where have you gone, Democratic Party??

  • Anonymous

    Playgrounds for the rich, to be sustained with poor people’s tax dollars.
    Aaaah, the “party of the little man”….where have you gone, Democratic Party??

  • Anonymous

    Playgrounds for the rich, to be sustained with poor people’s tax dollars.
    Aaaah, the “party of the little man”….where have you gone, Democratic Party??

  • Anonymous

    Playgrounds for the rich, to be sustained with poor people’s tax dollars.
    Aaaah, the “party of the little man”….where have you gone, Democratic Party??

  • Anonymous

    Playgrounds for the rich, to be sustained with poor people’s tax dollars.
    Aaaah, the “party of the little man”….where have you gone, Democratic Party??

  • Anonymous

    Understanding usually quashes anger.  What part of this is her land don’t they understand?

  • Anonymous

    It is time that the we all realize that Roxanne Quimby cares not one grain of dust what anyone thinks of her plans.She will do what she wants after all it is her land and her money. She will in the end attempt to destroy what have been traditional uses of land in the Northern part of Maine to achieve her vision of some misguided idealism. Do us all a favor and take your money and yourself elsewhere.

  • Anonymous

    People do understand.  They understand that massively buying up as much land as she can with her tens of millions of dollars in order to disrupt traditional access and a private economy on behalf of her wilderness agenda is crazy.  People have a right to do crazy things on their own property, but others have a right to denounce them for it.  Quimby exacerbates that with the massive scale of her acquisitions.

  • Anonymous

    for me, the jury is still out as it relates to a national park.  but given some of the name calling, it seems more like a personality issue than a land issue.

    i dunno.

    when i grew up  here, you could cut a christmas tree down on the side of the road, go tipping where ever.  my favorite camp site, on paper land, was recently closed.  what am i going to do about it?  nothing to do.  i live near the stud mill road – lots of yellow gates around there, none of them Quimby’s. 

    i love snowmobiling. but i also love hiking where i won’t be run over by an ATV.  can’t we find a way to all get along?  it seems to me Ms. Quimby is working hard to provide the region’s people with a voice in her plan.  

    i dunno.  her land, her dream.  

    i was just in millinocket a few hours ago.  all that town does is argue about its future.  Quimby seems to argue less and do more.  i admire her for that.

    thanks for taking the time to respond.  good night.

  • Anonymous

    I have not read any comments on this issue, however I do have a solution for this land that is rather unique. Ms Quimby desires to protect  this 70,000 acres, the simple solution is that she sell this land to the Houlton Band of Maliseet Indians for 1 dollar and the land will be taken in trust by the United States Department of the Interior pursuant to federal law and Ms Quimby could reach a condition with the Tribe as to how this land will be managed. I am sure the Tribe would be interested in saving these lands to it’s natural state. The Tribe can purchase land to be taked into trust anywhere in Maine
    without State or local involvement. Once taken in trust the lands cannot  be taken by the State or local government for any reason without the ok from the Tribes and I am dead certain the tribe would never  ok  any taken.

    I am sure those who oppose this solution would swear on a stack law books this this could not be done.
    Just check the law 25 usc PL 96-420 would be a good start.

    Just thought I would share my comment…. 

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t even credit her with misguided “idealism”.  Her wilderness “ideals” are misanthropic and thoroughly corrupt.  The problem with telling her to go “elsewhere” is that “elsewhere” would then have to put up with her.  Better that she just stop.   You’re too easy on her!

  • Anonymous

    No method she employs for Federal control is good for the rest of us.  She might also flip it to some government agency that doesn’t require Congressional approval, after which Obama could unilaterally declare it to be a National Monument in order to further bypass Congress.

    Quimby and Restore want National Park Service control because they regard that as the ultimate form of top down control on behalf of wilderness which is most immune from being overthrown in the future.  They want to control the land from the grave forever.  They also regard the 70,000 acres as a “seed” (a cancer) that they expect to grow to millions of acres with further Federal control and acquisition, which Quimby can’t afford to do on her own.  

  • Anonymous

    No method she employs for Federal control is good for the rest of us.  She might also flip it to some government agency that doesn’t require Congressional approval, after which Obama could unilaterally declare it to be a National Monument in order to further bypass Congress.

    Quimby and Restore want National Park Service control because they regard that as the ultimate form of top down control on behalf of wilderness which is most immune from being overthrown in the future.  They want to control the land from the grave forever.  They also regard the 70,000 acres as a “seed” (a cancer) that they expect to grow to millions of acres with further Federal control and acquisition, which Quimby can’t afford to do on her own.  

  • Anonymous

    No method she employs for Federal control is good for the rest of us.  She might also flip it to some government agency that doesn’t require Congressional approval, after which Obama could unilaterally declare it to be a National Monument in order to further bypass Congress.

    Quimby and Restore want National Park Service control because they regard that as the ultimate form of top down control on behalf of wilderness which is most immune from being overthrown in the future.  They want to control the land from the grave forever.  They also regard the 70,000 acres as a “seed” (a cancer) that they expect to grow to millions of acres with further Federal control and acquisition, which Quimby can’t afford to do on her own.  

  • Anonymous

    I think (and hope) that if you knew more about the record of abuse from National Park Service control that your jury would no longer be out.  Quimby has certainly “annoyed” a lot of people, to say the least, but the issue of Federal control by the National Park Service is a real threat and is a matter of civil and economic rights and public policy, not a personality issue.  You can’t “get along” with the kind of power the National Park Service wields.  Quimby will say anything to get the Federal control that she wants — and that goes far beyond the matter of her right to use her land the way she wants to while she owns it.  Her “dream”, our nightmare.

  • Anonymous

    yep and you can pay taxes on your 10 to 10,000 acres.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe you’re not a Mainer so you don’t get it.  Snowmobilers bring in big money for the state.  There are people from out of state and Canada that like the trails here.  The problem is, the more trails she shuts down, the less people we have come here to sled.  The less people, the less money being spent!  Snowmobiling is a huge income for a lot of businesses for Maine in the winter.  What Quimby represents threatens the livelyhood of a lot of Mainers.  But I’m sure you would love to see this state turn into Quimbyville, as it is well on it’s way.

  • Anonymous

    Just out of curiosity do you agree with letting Plum Creek do with their land what they will or is this different? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJEUWEYRHIPWV3PTTWWNUZ2CTQ mcmaineacjam

    It’s her land, I understand why you are so upset she might decide not to let you use it. Shame on her, we should not have to pay to use others stuff.

  • Anonymous

    Being in the wildernwss off the Great State of Maine or out on her lakes,ponds, and ocean I find it impossible Not to worship it..maybe its time to slow down and think .

  • Anonymous

    OH so true, though she was making nicey, nicey in order to get people to back her. Now seems some of their true colors are starting to show up.

  • Anonymous

    How about you stop doing my thinking for me. Do you live in this area?

  • Anonymous

    Are you reading this Matt Polstein? Do you not rent snowmobiles sir?

  • Anonymous

    Sorry no snow this year.

  • Anonymous

    I understand your perspective. Sleds are indeed noisy and somewhat obnoxious (and i enjoy sledding), however what is the point of preserving land we can’t enjoy it. There is absolutely no way to access many remote areas of Maine in winter other than by snowmobile. There are many who just use the sled as an access for other recreation like moose shed hunting, snowshoeing, fishing etc. in places you could not otherwise go reasonably, not just to ride around aimlessly. People in Maine are interested in traditional and utilitarian values of their forest rather than the dreamy intrinsic value of out of staters and southern mainers who don’t ACTUALLY visit those places, but just like to think about wilderness; and believe it has to be a park to be “wild” and support wildlife.

    A snowmobile drifting on packed snow in a remote area (EVEN THE BUSIEST TRAIL) likely has less impact than the sheer volume of people, infrastructure and ammenities required to support most national parks.

    Conservation YES, preservation NO!

  • Anonymous

    ‘Its just 70,000 acres’

    1.    Bangor Daily News  July 10 2001- ‘ The land she has bought so far generally will be left alone so it can recover from heavy logging, she said. In the future, campgrounds and visitor centers could be built on some parcels. She hopes ultimately to donate the land she buys to the federal government for inclusion in the proposed national park.
     
    2.    Bangor Daily News  July 10 2001   ‘Quimby, 50, is a member of RESTORE’s board of directors. Like a modern-day Percival Baxter, she hopes to nudge the park from dream to reality by buying up the land herself.
     
    3.    Bangor Daily News  July 10 2001  In fact, she said, ‘very few people derive a living from the woods. She says most people do as she did before she became a wealthy businesswoman: They cut some wood, farm some vegetables, make some crafts to sell at fairs’.
     
     
    4.    Americans for a Maine Woods National Park and Preserve Announced 2003- Formation of a new group of national leaders called “Americans for a Maine Woods National Park” has been announced by its Co-Chairs Will LaPage and Roxanne Quimby. To date, 110 distinguished Americans from many walks of life have joined this national advisory committee in order to promote the proposed Maine Woods National Park and Preserve
     
    5.    Yankee magzine 2008  ‘At the time, Roxanne was on the board of RESTORE: “People up there hate RESTORE, so I put some distance between us at that point. I didn’t need that.”     *  As of July 2011 she is still listed on Restore website as calling for a 3.2 million acre park.
     
    6.    Yankee magzine 2008   ‘There is nothing more real than real estate, and Roxanne has repeatedly said she would like to see the lands she has acquired become the seeds of a new national park. What she owns now would be a very credible beginning’                         *  RQ did nothing to refute this comment in the article.
     
    7.    Sun Journal May 2011  – I still love the vision of a 3.2-million-acre national park in Maine,” said Quimby, “but I know it’s not going to happen in my lifetime. This is what I can do now.
     
    8.    Keep Maine Beautiful Website – EPI’s ongoing land acquisition efforts, communication with local recreational users to identify their needs, and collaboration with the National Park Service has led Roxanne and her foundation to conclude that federal protection is the best management option for EPI’s lands and the public.
    9.    RESTORES WEBSITE JULY 2011   “American people love their national parks.”Ms. Quimby, 56, hopes Mr. Spalding and Restore’s [Maine] director, Mr. St. Pierre, are right. The idea of a park, she said, “floats my boat.” She prefers that her 75,000 acres become a base on which Restore’s 3.2-million acre park could be built.
     
    *   http://www.restore.org/Maine/nytimes_park.html
     

  • Anonymous

    You  suppose that was just a taste of what will happen if she and her Park come to be?

  • Anonymous

    You  suppose that was just a taste of what will happen if she and her Park come to be?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joe-Solomon/100001908192040 Joe Solomon

    “land manager Mark Leathers told club members that in exchange for letters supporting a study, they would be allowed to use trails on Quimby’s land for another year.” And then as soon as she gets her park, its no more snowmobiling, or any thing to so with an engine, I’ll bet, just hope anyone that gets hurt on her park land doesn’t mind having to be carried out ( on a stretcher by park wardens) the ten or twenty miles to where an ambulance can get …LOL

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JFBKOI7EXRX7MUJFO4JAI3LTQ4 James

    At the heart of it all, it’s her land and her choice to allow access or not as she sees fit.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JFBKOI7EXRX7MUJFO4JAI3LTQ4 James

    At the heart of it all, it’s her land and her choice to allow access or not as she sees fit.

  • Anonymous

    Dont be so baffled. And please dont tell us how we feel about people from away. You can say people from any small town in any state dont like people from away. I dont agree with it because most people are open minded and welcome anyone to a town providing their not rift raft. The problem isnt where she’s from. The problem is her coming in here and turning people’s lifes upside down with her self- righteous idea’s on how this place should be for the next 100 years. Look it is her land. And she can do what she wants with it to a point. But as far as a making it a National Park that is where we do have some say.

  • Anonymous

    1) It’s her land. 2) It’s just a feasability study! 3) It’s her land. 4) It’s her land!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_66ZAIIT2G52RMJ2WGCIFREBVZ4 Joe

    Your one word handle sums up  a thousand words.
    Once again, the good people of Maine should be more gracious that we have out of state guests as you Maasshole.

  • Anonymous

    If the park happens, as it should,  she will no longer have any say.

  • Anonymous

    If the park happens, as it should,  she will no longer have any say.

  • Anonymous

    If the park happens, as it should,  she will no longer have any say.

  • Anonymous

    A park would bring in more money.  There are plenty of places for people to go snowmobiling. BTW. I’m a Mainer!

  • Anonymous

    A park would bring in more money.  There are plenty of places for people to go snowmobiling. BTW. I’m a Mainer!

  • Anonymous

    A park would bring in more money.  There are plenty of places for people to go snowmobiling. BTW. I’m a Mainer!

  • Anonymous

    A park would bring in more money.  There are plenty of places for people to go snowmobiling. BTW. I’m a Mainer!

  • Anonymous

    A park would bring in more money.  There are plenty of places for people to go snowmobiling. BTW. I’m a Mainer!

  • Anonymous

    A park would bring in more money.  There are plenty of places for people to go snowmobiling. BTW. I’m a Mainer!

  • Anonymous

    A park would bring in more money.  There are plenty of places for people to go snowmobiling. BTW. I’m a Mainer!

  • Anonymous

    A park would bring in more money.  There are plenty of places for people to go snowmobiling. BTW. I’m a Mainer!

  • Anonymous

    A park would bring in more money.  There are plenty of places for people to go snowmobiling. BTW. I’m a Mainer!

  • Anonymous

    The land was for sale.  She bought it.  It’s her land.

  • Anonymous

    “…control a State she wasn’t born or raised in.”  ???  Irving, Plum Creek, Wagner, John Malone, the Pingree heirs – on and on goes the list of individuals and corporations who have considerable control over those parts of Maine so dear to snowmobilers. Aren’t you being overly selective in your contempt?   

  • Anonymous

    It’s her land and she should keep it………………….and pay taxes on it.

  • Anonymous

    You arent gonna see that money help your club! That money was to pay for MSA!!!!! Your fund come from the Dept. of Conservation. BTW I agree No Park forME. I just dont like MSA….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    They ARE desperate….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    They ARE desperate….

  • Anonymous

    so much angst, so little time.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    not all residents of Millinocket are against this proposal.

  • Anonymous

    And we pay her taxes so the people have a vested interest on that land !

  • Anonymous

    HOW about Landowner RIghts?  I for one am Tired of ‘Associations’ and their Augusta allies telling who and how and what people can or can’t  do with their land.    The more property you own the more entitled these people are.   Quimby could turn her land into what ever it’s her business.

  • Anonymous

    HOW about Landowner RIghts?  I for one am Tired of ‘Associations’ and their Augusta allies telling who and how and what people can or can’t  do with their land.    The more property you own the more entitled these people are.   Quimby could turn her land into what ever it’s her business.

  • Anonymous

    HOW about Landowner RIghts?  I for one am Tired of ‘Associations’ and their Augusta allies telling who and how and what people can or can’t  do with their land.    The more property you own the more entitled these people are.   Quimby could turn her land into what ever it’s her business.

  • Anonymous

    HOW about Landowner RIghts?  I for one am Tired of ‘Associations’ and their Augusta allies telling who and how and what people can or can’t  do with their land.    The more property you own the more entitled these people are.   Quimby could turn her land into what ever it’s her business.

  • Anonymous

    HOW about Landowner RIghts?  I for one am Tired of ‘Associations’ and their Augusta allies telling who and how and what people can or can’t  do with their land.    The more property you own the more entitled these people are.   Quimby could turn her land into what ever it’s her business.

  • Anonymous

    HOW about Landowner RIghts?  I for one am Tired of ‘Associations’ and their Augusta allies telling who and how and what people can or can’t  do with their land.    The more property you own the more entitled these people are.   Quimby could turn her land into what ever it’s her business.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and maybe you should start thinking for yourself. Seeing the forest for the trees is a tough job, not everyone is cut out for it.

  • Anonymous

    Arrogant is believing that you are entitled to drive motorized transportation anywhere you please, to not recognize that there are people who like to enjoy areas without having to hear the noise, nor breathe the fumes.

  • Anonymous

    Arrogant is believing that you are entitled to drive motorized transportation anywhere you please, to not recognize that there are people who like to enjoy areas without having to hear the noise, nor breathe the fumes.

  • Anonymous

    Arrogant is believing that you are entitled to drive motorized transportation anywhere you please, to not recognize that there are people who like to enjoy areas without having to hear the noise, nor breathe the fumes.

  • Anonymous

    Arrogant is believing that you are entitled to drive motorized transportation anywhere you please, to not recognize that there are people who like to enjoy areas without having to hear the noise, nor breathe the fumes.

  • Anonymous

    Arrogant is believing that you are entitled to drive motorized transportation anywhere you please, to not recognize that there are people who like to enjoy areas without having to hear the noise, nor breathe the fumes.

  • Anonymous

    Arrogant is believing that you are entitled to drive motorized transportation anywhere you please, to not recognize that there are people who like to enjoy areas without having to hear the noise, nor breathe the fumes.

  • Anonymous

    If I own land I can post it no tresspassing, no hunting, hunting by permission only or whatever I want, Its my land. Pehaps she should just keep it and post it.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Nothing to be scared of in the Maine woods.

     Now, Boston…….. that’s another matter altogether.

    NO PARK FOR ME.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Nothing to be scared of in the Maine woods.

     Now, Boston…….. that’s another matter altogether.

    NO PARK FOR ME.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Nothing to be scared of in the Maine woods.

     Now, Boston…….. that’s another matter altogether.

    NO PARK FOR ME.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Nothing to be scared of in the Maine woods.

     Now, Boston…….. that’s another matter altogether.

    NO PARK FOR ME.

  • Anonymous

    So, If she should go to another state, who are “those”, she should leave the land to?

  • Anonymous

    So, If she should go to another state, who are “those”, she should leave the land to?

  • Anonymous

    So, If she should go to another state, who are “those”, she should leave the land to?

  • Anonymous

    i havent studied their site plan, so I am not sure.  but conceptually, yes, I support Plum Creeks ownership rights.

  • Anonymous

    Many people are dsperate for work and in comes Quimby promising the world (jobs). People in that part of the State will sell there sole to the devil for work and who can blame them? I’m not for her proposal but think about those people who need to feed there families, pay billes etc. It just goes to show you how Quimby works to get what she wants. Hopefullypeople in that area will have someone purchase the paper mills and put people back to work. The milss have never been profitable however.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Mr. Nick Sambides…..cub reporter.

     I was at the Katahdin area meeting.

     Where were YOU?

     Mark Leathers DID NOT imply there would be no usage.

     He emphatically said there would be no usage of the River road portion of ITS 85 if the area snowmobile clubs didn’t show supoport for her plans, even going as far as offering to send out a template letter for them to sign.

  • Anonymous

    Hopefully everyone will also remember to never buy any of her Burt’s Bees products.

  • Anonymous

    Its hers, she can do whatever she wants. Maybe, just maybe it would be better as a national park.
    How many other groups beside snowmobilers want to use her land, 4 wheelers, mud slinging 4x4s, campers, hikers, off road motorcycles, etc.. How does she choose? Where is the FAIR line? Who can she say no too?

  • Anonymous

    A key ITS trail runs through her property. If she shuts it down, she chokes off access to Aroostook county trails. It’s not like it’s a couple of little side trails. Would you shut down I95 between Millinocket and Houlton to create a national park? 

  • Anonymous

    This is a very xenophobic mentality.  It’s unfortunate.

  • Anonymous

    This is a very xenophobic mentality.  It’s unfortunate.

  • Anonymous

    This is a very xenophobic mentality.  It’s unfortunate.

  • Anonymous

    This is a very xenophobic mentality.  It’s unfortunate.

  • Anonymous

    This is a very xenophobic mentality.  It’s unfortunate.

  • Anonymous

    This is a very xenophobic mentality.  It’s unfortunate.

  • Anonymous

    This is a very xenophobic mentality.  It’s unfortunate.

  • Anonymous

    Be careful where your support goes–sounds like very real coercive tactics on the part of Quimby’s spokesperson.  Do not trust anything that Quimby is behind.

  • Anonymous

    Be careful where your support goes–sounds like very real coercive tactics on the part of Quimby’s spokesperson.  Do not trust anything that Quimby is behind.

  • Anonymous

    Be careful where your support goes–sounds like very real coercive tactics on the part of Quimby’s spokesperson.  Do not trust anything that Quimby is behind.

  • Anonymous

    Be careful where your support goes–sounds like very real coercive tactics on the part of Quimby’s spokesperson.  Do not trust anything that Quimby is behind.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Mark Leathers grew a little hot under the collar when a gentleman from the Katahdin region showed him a snowmobile and atv access agreement signed by none other than RQ herself a few months before.

     He then proceeded to tell them that he was at this meeting (that HE called) to “cooperate” with the local ss clubs.

     I guess in his vocabulry, it’s a fine  line between cooperation and coercion.

  • Anonymous

    what is Rep Michael  Michaud’s stand on the park plan?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1027429683 Jason Heidi N’ Johnson

    I hike.
    I enjoy going to national parks.
    I geocache.
    I snowmobile.
    I ATV.

    What I cannot understand is why some folks have an “all or nothing” philosophy . . . it seems to me that there is room in the great outdoors for everyone and every activity as long as it is planned and thought through. Just arbitrarily closing off a long time snowmobile trail that is a direct connection to a major snowmobile destination is not very forward thinking . . . nor is threatening to close trails.

    The old adage that you can get more flies with honey really applies here . . . less stick, more carrot and in time I suspect many folks who now oppose Quimby and her plans might at the very least be more receptive to what she has to say.

  • yowsayowsa1

     They should be.

    NO PARK FOR MR.

  • Anonymous

    are you referring to the tree growth tax exception?  because many mainers enjoy that privilege.  no one seems eager to tell the rest of them what to do.

  • yowsayowsa1

     There is no such thing as a feasability study on this issue.

  • Anonymous

    People of Central Maine including the I95 corridor from Augusta to Millinocket will benefit from the establishment of a national park adjacent to Baxter SP. Snowmobiling and other traditional uses will  continue to be accommodated.  Maine can offer a unique tourism experience and the spin-off economic benefit to businesses will be substantial. 

  • Anonymous

    We know it is her land, it does not have to repeated 1000 times.  A national will take  priviledges away, even ones SHE can not stop whether her land or not.

  • Anonymous

    We know it is her land, it does not have to repeated 1000 times.  A national will take  priviledges away, even ones SHE can not stop whether her land or not.

  • Anonymous

    Where’s Mike Michaud in this?  As far as I know, he doesn’t support Quimby either.  Will he be at today’s meeting in Millinocket? 

  • yowsayowsa1

    This just in from the AMG blog;

     On another note, it has been reported to me by our “backwoods spies”, that the retreat of the elite has begun on RQ’s land.
    Someone was spotted staying at Roxy’s Riter’s Retreat near Haskell Deadwater for the last few weeks, ATVing to some of the better fishing spots on the East Branch and generally enjoying the fruits of his past associations in the north woods.

    The scuttlebut is that he will be at Lunkasoos Camp next.I wonder………How much is a former SAM executive director going for these days??????

  • yowsayowsa1

    This just in from the AMG blog;

     On another note, it has been reported to me by our “backwoods spies”, that the retreat of the elite has begun on RQ’s land.
    Someone was spotted staying at Roxy’s Riter’s Retreat near Haskell Deadwater for the last few weeks, ATVing to some of the better fishing spots on the East Branch and generally enjoying the fruits of his past associations in the north woods.

    The scuttlebut is that he will be at Lunkasoos Camp next.I wonder………How much is a former SAM executive director going for these days??????

  • yowsayowsa1

    This just in from the AMG blog;

     On another note, it has been reported to me by our “backwoods spies”, that the retreat of the elite has begun on RQ’s land.
    Someone was spotted staying at Roxy’s Riter’s Retreat near Haskell Deadwater for the last few weeks, ATVing to some of the better fishing spots on the East Branch and generally enjoying the fruits of his past associations in the north woods.

    The scuttlebut is that he will be at Lunkasoos Camp next.I wonder………How much is a former SAM executive director going for these days??????

  • yowsayowsa1

    This just in from the AMG blog;

     On another note, it has been reported to me by our “backwoods spies”, that the retreat of the elite has begun on RQ’s land.
    Someone was spotted staying at Roxy’s Riter’s Retreat near Haskell Deadwater for the last few weeks, ATVing to some of the better fishing spots on the East Branch and generally enjoying the fruits of his past associations in the north woods.

    The scuttlebut is that he will be at Lunkasoos Camp next.I wonder………How much is a former SAM executive director going for these days??????

  • yowsayowsa1

    This just in from the AMG blog;

     On another note, it has been reported to me by our “backwoods spies”, that the retreat of the elite has begun on RQ’s land.
    Someone was spotted staying at Roxy’s Riter’s Retreat near Haskell Deadwater for the last few weeks, ATVing to some of the better fishing spots on the East Branch and generally enjoying the fruits of his past associations in the north woods.

    The scuttlebut is that he will be at Lunkasoos Camp next.I wonder………How much is a former SAM executive director going for these days??????

  • yowsayowsa1

    This just in from the AMG blog;

     On another note, it has been reported to me by our “backwoods spies”, that the retreat of the elite has begun on RQ’s land.
    Someone was spotted staying at Roxy’s Riter’s Retreat near Haskell Deadwater for the last few weeks, ATVing to some of the better fishing spots on the East Branch and generally enjoying the fruits of his past associations in the north woods.

    The scuttlebut is that he will be at Lunkasoos Camp next.I wonder………How much is a former SAM executive director going for these days??????

  • yowsayowsa1

    This just in from the AMG blog;

     On another note, it has been reported to me by our “backwoods spies”, that the retreat of the elite has begun on RQ’s land.
    Someone was spotted staying at Roxy’s Riter’s Retreat near Haskell Deadwater for the last few weeks, ATVing to some of the better fishing spots on the East Branch and generally enjoying the fruits of his past associations in the north woods.

    The scuttlebut is that he will be at Lunkasoos Camp next.I wonder………How much is a former SAM executive director going for these days??????

  • yowsayowsa1

    This just in from the AMG blog;

     On another note, it has been reported to me by our “backwoods spies”, that the retreat of the elite has begun on RQ’s land.
    Someone was spotted staying at Roxy’s Riter’s Retreat near Haskell Deadwater for the last few weeks, ATVing to some of the better fishing spots on the East Branch and generally enjoying the fruits of his past associations in the north woods.

    The scuttlebut is that he will be at Lunkasoos Camp next.I wonder………How much is a former SAM executive director going for these days??????

  • Anonymous

    That is a brilliant concept.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Her BBee company has been bought out by the dreaded chemical manufacturer Clorox Company.

     Just goes to show how philanthropic she really is.

  • Anonymous

    It would seem to me that there is a a lot of wringing of hands over anything proposed by Ms. Quimby. I honestly believe that it would not matter what she proposed, there would be a segment of the population who would scream at the top of their lungs that she’s out to ruin their lives. Additionally, there is a basic differing of views on how the land should/could be used. There are those who believe in conservation and the wilderness land ethic, versus those who believe that the land should be used for whatever it can in order to gain some economic benefit (or “traditional” use, which is a term that seems to have different meaning to different people). My question is, if this land were held by some other large land owner, what guarantees do you have that it would be maintained for the type of access you seek? If it’s owned by a company such as Plum Creek, they could use it to develop vacation homes, sell off the lots, etc., which would parse these tracts of land, then you would be stuck with a patchwork of land owners, each of whom will have different perspectives on access. It could be used for timber, yet again, what guarantees do you have regarding access and/or economic development (I would say iffy at best)? The bottom line is that she owns the land, and is obviously a strong believer in preserving these tracts of land. Personal attacks and across the board rejection of anything she proposes would not seem to be the way to gain concessions in terms of access and usage.

  • Anonymous

    A ridiculous comparison.  Snowmobiling is recreational, not intrastate commerce.  Also it’s HER land.  If the Association wanted to protect it, they should have bought it.

  • Anonymous

    Wow!  Maybe you could pay my taxes too!  I doubt that you pay her taxes.

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to pay to play, baby…Either pony up support or get shut down.

  • Anonymous

    Well, we are left with the inescapable conclusion that the entire Maine wilderness  and its future development will be left hostage to the rights in perpetuity of the snow machine association and their lobbyists. The tail is wagging the dog.  There needs to be some fundamental rethinking of what the economic prospects of northern tier of the state will be in the future and what it will take to bring about positive results.

  • Anonymous

    A park will bring in more money?  Have any of you seen the sprawl that is built around a national park?   I grew up a couple of hours from the most visited national park in the country, the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.  The jobs that will be created will be low paying service jobs, period.  You can look for strip malls, and outlet malls to abound in the area.  The jobs created will pay less than half of the mill jobs they will be replacing.  In that part of Maine, people will have to work 2-3 jobs at minimum wage just to get by.  Housing costs will increase dramatically as people with large amounts of disposable income will buy up everything in the area.  Google “Pigeon Forge” and tell me you would like a town like that to spring up in northern Maine.   Plus the roads within 50 miles of the park will become parking lots.  Jammed 18 hours a day with cars, RV’s and trucks to supply the needs of the area.

    I love the national parks, but at this time, we don’t even have the money to keep the existing parks up, why add another one?  Plus with all the parks downsizing, who do you think will get the new jobs created here— NPS employees transferring from the parks that are experiencing budget cuts.  Believe me, I have been there, seen it, and I don’t think it is in the best interest of the people of Maine or even the whole New England area. 

    I admit with the creation of a park construction jobs will abound, but only TEMPORARILY, because when the construction is finished those jobs will vanish within a couple of months.

  • Anonymous

    Shame on you MSA and your backwoods thinking. It is not your land, she has always been willing to talk and come to the table on snowmobiling and land use and now you’ve stabbed her in the back. Typical right wing tea party republican rednecks! Where are my skis!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    TwoClaws: Could you tell me  the name of the supposed ocean, Quimby owns?

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    What in hael does this have to do with your phobia of middle Americans??

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a sad power pull demonstration that completely unfurls the banner of ignorance that so often enacts any paranoid fear mongering strategy in order to maintain  the ball and chain around mechanized woods travel, bear baiting territories, assumptions of traditional accesses (which are actually granted only by PRIVATE landowners), and the suicidal love affair with a woods industry that is dying in the hands of large conglomerate investors as it is currently operated. There is only one way to fight this malignancy and that is to show up IN MAJOR PASSIONATE NUMBERS because in reality the people who understand logic, fairness, and BUSINESS, OUTNUMBER the Mary Adams/Millinocket Town Council crowd of conspiracy theorists on steroids. It is an honor and a grand opportunity to have Salazar come and speak. It is thusly a chance to actually have something good come to the moonscape around Millinocket. Snowmobiling is not threatened here at all and the purveyors of that nonsense know it. It is no different than the NRA constantly calling my house to tell me someone will have all my guns next week if I do not contribute to the lunatic droolings of Ted Nugent, another shining example of stubborn saturation standing before a higher learned curve. The acreage involved in the woods industry dwarfs the Park Lands. The acreage involved in Snowmobiling does the same and this small reservation for the sake of reservation and BUSINESS MAINTENANCE is a God send.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a sad power pull demonstration that completely unfurls the banner of ignorance that so often enacts any paranoid fear mongering strategy in order to maintain  the ball and chain around mechanized woods travel, bear baiting territories, assumptions of traditional accesses (which are actually granted only by PRIVATE landowners), and the suicidal love affair with a woods industry that is dying in the hands of large conglomerate investors as it is currently operated. There is only one way to fight this malignancy and that is to show up IN MAJOR PASSIONATE NUMBERS because in reality the people who understand logic, fairness, and BUSINESS, OUTNUMBER the Mary Adams/Millinocket Town Council crowd of conspiracy theorists on steroids. It is an honor and a grand opportunity to have Salazar come and speak. It is thusly a chance to actually have something good come to the moonscape around Millinocket. Snowmobiling is not threatened here at all and the purveyors of that nonsense know it. It is no different than the NRA constantly calling my house to tell me someone will have all my guns next week if I do not contribute to the lunatic droolings of Ted Nugent, another shining example of stubborn saturation standing before a higher learned curve. The acreage involved in the woods industry dwarfs the Park Lands. The acreage involved in Snowmobiling does the same and this small reservation for the sake of reservation and BUSINESS MAINTENANCE is a God send.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a sad power pull demonstration that completely unfurls the banner of ignorance that so often enacts any paranoid fear mongering strategy in order to maintain  the ball and chain around mechanized woods travel, bear baiting territories, assumptions of traditional accesses (which are actually granted only by PRIVATE landowners), and the suicidal love affair with a woods industry that is dying in the hands of large conglomerate investors as it is currently operated. There is only one way to fight this malignancy and that is to show up IN MAJOR PASSIONATE NUMBERS because in reality the people who understand logic, fairness, and BUSINESS, OUTNUMBER the Mary Adams/Millinocket Town Council crowd of conspiracy theorists on steroids. It is an honor and a grand opportunity to have Salazar come and speak. It is thusly a chance to actually have something good come to the moonscape around Millinocket. Snowmobiling is not threatened here at all and the purveyors of that nonsense know it. It is no different than the NRA constantly calling my house to tell me someone will have all my guns next week if I do not contribute to the lunatic droolings of Ted Nugent, another shining example of stubborn saturation standing before a higher learned curve. The acreage involved in the woods industry dwarfs the Park Lands. The acreage involved in Snowmobiling does the same and this small reservation for the sake of reservation and BUSINESS MAINTENANCE is a God send.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a sad power pull demonstration that completely unfurls the banner of ignorance that so often enacts any paranoid fear mongering strategy in order to maintain  the ball and chain around mechanized woods travel, bear baiting territories, assumptions of traditional accesses (which are actually granted only by PRIVATE landowners), and the suicidal love affair with a woods industry that is dying in the hands of large conglomerate investors as it is currently operated. There is only one way to fight this malignancy and that is to show up IN MAJOR PASSIONATE NUMBERS because in reality the people who understand logic, fairness, and BUSINESS, OUTNUMBER the Mary Adams/Millinocket Town Council crowd of conspiracy theorists on steroids. It is an honor and a grand opportunity to have Salazar come and speak. It is thusly a chance to actually have something good come to the moonscape around Millinocket. Snowmobiling is not threatened here at all and the purveyors of that nonsense know it. It is no different than the NRA constantly calling my house to tell me someone will have all my guns next week if I do not contribute to the lunatic droolings of Ted Nugent, another shining example of stubborn saturation standing before a higher learned curve. The acreage involved in the woods industry dwarfs the Park Lands. The acreage involved in Snowmobiling does the same and this small reservation for the sake of reservation and BUSINESS MAINTENANCE is a God send.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a sad power pull demonstration that completely unfurls the banner of ignorance that so often enacts any paranoid fear mongering strategy in order to maintain  the ball and chain around mechanized woods travel, bear baiting territories, assumptions of traditional accesses (which are actually granted only by PRIVATE landowners), and the suicidal love affair with a woods industry that is dying in the hands of large conglomerate investors as it is currently operated. There is only one way to fight this malignancy and that is to show up IN MAJOR PASSIONATE NUMBERS because in reality the people who understand logic, fairness, and BUSINESS, OUTNUMBER the Mary Adams/Millinocket Town Council crowd of conspiracy theorists on steroids. It is an honor and a grand opportunity to have Salazar come and speak. It is thusly a chance to actually have something good come to the moonscape around Millinocket. Snowmobiling is not threatened here at all and the purveyors of that nonsense know it. It is no different than the NRA constantly calling my house to tell me someone will have all my guns next week if I do not contribute to the lunatic droolings of Ted Nugent, another shining example of stubborn saturation standing before a higher learned curve. The acreage involved in the woods industry dwarfs the Park Lands. The acreage involved in Snowmobiling does the same and this small reservation for the sake of reservation and BUSINESS MAINTENANCE is a God send.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a sad power pull demonstration that completely unfurls the banner of ignorance that so often enacts any paranoid fear mongering strategy in order to maintain  the ball and chain around mechanized woods travel, bear baiting territories, assumptions of traditional accesses (which are actually granted only by PRIVATE landowners), and the suicidal love affair with a woods industry that is dying in the hands of large conglomerate investors as it is currently operated. There is only one way to fight this malignancy and that is to show up IN MAJOR PASSIONATE NUMBERS because in reality the people who understand logic, fairness, and BUSINESS, OUTNUMBER the Mary Adams/Millinocket Town Council crowd of conspiracy theorists on steroids. It is an honor and a grand opportunity to have Salazar come and speak. It is thusly a chance to actually have something good come to the moonscape around Millinocket. Snowmobiling is not threatened here at all and the purveyors of that nonsense know it. It is no different than the NRA constantly calling my house to tell me someone will have all my guns next week if I do not contribute to the lunatic droolings of Ted Nugent, another shining example of stubborn saturation standing before a higher learned curve. The acreage involved in the woods industry dwarfs the Park Lands. The acreage involved in Snowmobiling does the same and this small reservation for the sake of reservation and BUSINESS MAINTENANCE is a God send.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a sad power pull demonstration that completely unfurls the banner of ignorance that so often enacts any paranoid fear mongering strategy in order to maintain  the ball and chain around mechanized woods travel, bear baiting territories, assumptions of traditional accesses (which are actually granted only by PRIVATE landowners), and the suicidal love affair with a woods industry that is dying in the hands of large conglomerate investors as it is currently operated. There is only one way to fight this malignancy and that is to show up IN MAJOR PASSIONATE NUMBERS because in reality the people who understand logic, fairness, and BUSINESS, OUTNUMBER the Mary Adams/Millinocket Town Council crowd of conspiracy theorists on steroids. It is an honor and a grand opportunity to have Salazar come and speak. It is thusly a chance to actually have something good come to the moonscape around Millinocket. Snowmobiling is not threatened here at all and the purveyors of that nonsense know it. It is no different than the NRA constantly calling my house to tell me someone will have all my guns next week if I do not contribute to the lunatic droolings of Ted Nugent, another shining example of stubborn saturation standing before a higher learned curve. The acreage involved in the woods industry dwarfs the Park Lands. The acreage involved in Snowmobiling does the same and this small reservation for the sake of reservation and BUSINESS MAINTENANCE is a God send.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a sad power pull demonstration that completely unfurls the banner of ignorance that so often enacts any paranoid fear mongering strategy in order to maintain  the ball and chain around mechanized woods travel, bear baiting territories, assumptions of traditional accesses (which are actually granted only by PRIVATE landowners), and the suicidal love affair with a woods industry that is dying in the hands of large conglomerate investors as it is currently operated. There is only one way to fight this malignancy and that is to show up IN MAJOR PASSIONATE NUMBERS because in reality the people who understand logic, fairness, and BUSINESS, OUTNUMBER the Mary Adams/Millinocket Town Council crowd of conspiracy theorists on steroids. It is an honor and a grand opportunity to have Salazar come and speak. It is thusly a chance to actually have something good come to the moonscape around Millinocket. Snowmobiling is not threatened here at all and the purveyors of that nonsense know it. It is no different than the NRA constantly calling my house to tell me someone will have all my guns next week if I do not contribute to the lunatic droolings of Ted Nugent, another shining example of stubborn saturation standing before a higher learned curve. The acreage involved in the woods industry dwarfs the Park Lands. The acreage involved in Snowmobiling does the same and this small reservation for the sake of reservation and BUSINESS MAINTENANCE is a God send.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a sad power pull demonstration that completely unfurls the banner of ignorance that so often enacts any paranoid fear mongering strategy in order to maintain  the ball and chain around mechanized woods travel, bear baiting territories, assumptions of traditional accesses (which are actually granted only by PRIVATE landowners), and the suicidal love affair with a woods industry that is dying in the hands of large conglomerate investors as it is currently operated. There is only one way to fight this malignancy and that is to show up IN MAJOR PASSIONATE NUMBERS because in reality the people who understand logic, fairness, and BUSINESS, OUTNUMBER the Mary Adams/Millinocket Town Council crowd of conspiracy theorists on steroids. It is an honor and a grand opportunity to have Salazar come and speak. It is thusly a chance to actually have something good come to the moonscape around Millinocket. Snowmobiling is not threatened here at all and the purveyors of that nonsense know it. It is no different than the NRA constantly calling my house to tell me someone will have all my guns next week if I do not contribute to the lunatic droolings of Ted Nugent, another shining example of stubborn saturation standing before a higher learned curve. The acreage involved in the woods industry dwarfs the Park Lands. The acreage involved in Snowmobiling does the same and this small reservation for the sake of reservation and BUSINESS MAINTENANCE is a God send.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a sad power pull demonstration that completely unfurls the banner of ignorance that so often enacts any paranoid fear mongering strategy in order to maintain  the ball and chain around mechanized woods travel, bear baiting territories, assumptions of traditional accesses (which are actually granted only by PRIVATE landowners), and the suicidal love affair with a woods industry that is dying in the hands of large conglomerate investors as it is currently operated. There is only one way to fight this malignancy and that is to show up IN MAJOR PASSIONATE NUMBERS because in reality the people who understand logic, fairness, and BUSINESS, OUTNUMBER the Mary Adams/Millinocket Town Council crowd of conspiracy theorists on steroids. It is an honor and a grand opportunity to have Salazar come and speak. It is thusly a chance to actually have something good come to the moonscape around Millinocket. Snowmobiling is not threatened here at all and the purveyors of that nonsense know it. It is no different than the NRA constantly calling my house to tell me someone will have all my guns next week if I do not contribute to the lunatic droolings of Ted Nugent, another shining example of stubborn saturation standing before a higher learned curve. The acreage involved in the woods industry dwarfs the Park Lands. The acreage involved in Snowmobiling does the same and this small reservation for the sake of reservation and BUSINESS MAINTENANCE is a God send.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This is a sad power pull demonstration that completely unfurls the banner of ignorance that so often enacts any paranoid fear mongering strategy in order to maintain  the ball and chain around mechanized woods travel, bear baiting territories, assumptions of traditional accesses (which are actually granted only by PRIVATE landowners), and the suicidal love affair with a woods industry that is dying in the hands of large conglomerate investors as it is currently operated. There is only one way to fight this malignancy and that is to show up IN MAJOR PASSIONATE NUMBERS because in reality the people who understand logic, fairness, and BUSINESS, OUTNUMBER the Mary Adams/Millinocket Town Council crowd of conspiracy theorists on steroids. It is an honor and a grand opportunity to have Salazar come and speak. It is thusly a chance to actually have something good come to the moonscape around Millinocket. Snowmobiling is not threatened here at all and the purveyors of that nonsense know it. It is no different than the NRA constantly calling my house to tell me someone will have all my guns next week if I do not contribute to the lunatic droolings of Ted Nugent, another shining example of stubborn saturation standing before a higher learned curve. The acreage involved in the woods industry dwarfs the Park Lands. The acreage involved in Snowmobiling does the same and this small reservation for the sake of reservation and BUSINESS MAINTENANCE is a God send.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    More paranoia. No one knows what will happen to the million acres you guys wave around like the fake fear tirade it is. Millinocket has a favorable patriotic lot to say about private land owner rights (except in Quimby”s Case) and free enterprise. By that same token they will have nothing of impact to say about who eventually buys said lands once the rest of the deer yards are scalped. If the MSA thinks that their “plan” will influence all of them then maybe they should change their tune. Maybe a positive negotiation with Quimby will result in a beautiful trail somewhere and who knows, as the free capital system works, it might someday be the only one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Sure can.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    So allowing “traditional access” on behalf of slaying deeryards and leaving a moonscape in Northern Maine is not crazy? You need to enforce the duty of a Town Council to represent ALL of the town.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    She is an anthill to the conglomerates who care nothing about your council.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Like the Tea Baggers there is NO COMPROMISE in this mindset.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    The record of abuse from Great Northern through the Plum Creek legacy is again a mountain of lobbied for deceit compared to this Federal Government paranoia.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Bingo. The no tax crowd comes unglued when their “socialist” agenda gets turned on them.

  • Anonymous

    Been to Bar Harbor lately?  I don’t hear anyone there complaining about the amount of money the park brings into the local economy, nor do I hear any of the other communities surrounding national parks complaining.

  • Anonymous

    Been to Bar Harbor lately?  I don’t hear anyone there complaining about the amount of money the park brings into the local economy, nor do I hear any of the other communities surrounding national parks complaining.

  • Anonymous

    Been to Bar Harbor lately?  I don’t hear anyone there complaining about the amount of money the park brings into the local economy, nor do I hear any of the other communities surrounding national parks complaining.

  • Anonymous

    Been to Bar Harbor lately?  I don’t hear anyone there complaining about the amount of money the park brings into the local economy, nor do I hear any of the other communities surrounding national parks complaining.

  • Anonymous

    Been to Bar Harbor lately?  I don’t hear anyone there complaining about the amount of money the park brings into the local economy, nor do I hear any of the other communities surrounding national parks complaining.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Stale rhetoric and suicidal business themes live in the Council rooms involved here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Stale rhetoric and suicidal business themes live in the Council rooms involved here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    You find that formula up here and you will go down in history.

  • Anonymous

    More than paranoia, it is the ugly head of hypocrisy that fuels a lot of the debate.
    We won’t let the state tell us what we  can do on our property, but maybe they can tell Roxanne that she has to open her’s up to riders. I hope she fences the whole parcel off and throws fundraisers for the fringe lefties in the woods.

    Just because corporations gave millions to elect LePage, doesn’t mean he is beholden to them. (Right!) Rick Perry signed a bill making the Pap virus shots mandatory in TX after the drug maker gave his campaign a pile of loot, but he is a hero. Now he says it was a mistake, after the money is spent. But if Roxanne asks for a signature on paper before she gives you something, well, that is unconscionable! Maybe Roxanne will also say “Just kidding!” and the right wingers will all get on their ATVs and go tear another trail up and feel good about it.

  • https://openid.aol.com/opaque/2384bbe8-ab17-11e0-985e-000bcdca4d7a PAFI

    70,000 ACRE GIFT???? THATWOULD BE 70,000 ACRES OUT OF THE TAX BASE!!! WHO WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO USE THE PARK? SNOWMOBILERS ARE BECOMING FEWER AND FARTHER BETWEEN. AT 10K PER MACHINE, THERE AREN’T MANY FOLKS LEFT USING ITS. BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR JIM ST.PIERRE ALONG WITH ROXANNE-HE’S THE ONE BEHIND THE ORIGINAL PARK-HELLO “RESTORE” REMEMBER? AND GOD FORBID THAT THE MSA SHOULD TAKE A HARD LINE HERE. MR MEYERS AND HIS  WIFE AT THE MSA HAVE ABOUT THE SAME SALARIES AND BENEFITS AS THE PEOPLE IN CONGRESS!!!! HOW A HUSBAND AND WIFE TEAM WERE ALLOWED TO RUN AN UOTFIT LIKE THE MSA IS BEYOND ME. THIS IS PRETTY MUCH A SITUATION FOR THE ELITE TO DEAL WITH, AS WE THE PEOPLE HAVE VERY LITTLE VOICE ANY MORE.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Pyschoanalyzation of the town council’s devotion to a ship on the bottom of Millinocket Lake is more apt for study. The decades you refer too have saw to it that devotion to an out of state harvest plan, with no future investment and loyalty ONLY TO ITS DIVIDEND OWNER BASE, has brought Millinocket to this desperate cliff. It is your admitted path that has led to here and now.

  • Anonymous

    All of this name-calling and arguing would be unnecessary if we had real democracy where we, the people, made the decisions that affect our lives.

    We ought to be having this discussion publicly at official public hearings, then we, the people, should be voting on this and other important decisions.  The Maine Woods are too important to be left to one person or corporations – - even if they “own” the land.

    The Commons, that which is “owned” by all and needed for us to exist – the air, water, woods, land, should be managed publicly so that citizens have a real voice in decision-making regarding their use.

    Nevertheless, Quimby has made herself available in public meetings to ask what people think and explain her plans.  This is a whole lot more than the wildly destructive paper corporations ever did or will do. 

    She’s a lightening rod for all the hatred of “people from away” that’s stored in local people’s hearts – as they view their own lives with discontent as if that’s her fault. 

    There are 15,000 miles of snowmobile trails already in Maine, according to http://www.mainesnowmobiling.com .  Seems peculiar to me that people couldn’t find a good place to snowmobile within 15,000 miles of snowmobiling trails – plus local trails not part of the official count.

    I don’t understand the entitlement attitude of snowmobilers – as if they should be able to go anywhere in the State without any restrictions, including on other people’s lands where they wreak havoc.

     I speak as a farmer whose lands and fences have been torn up by free-wheeling ATV’s and snowmobiles with no respect for my livelihood.  I no longer allow them on my land, out of self-defense. 

  • Anonymous

    Yup, that will be the stuff at Quimby’s meeting this evening.

  • Anonymous

    Yup, that will be the stuff at Quimby’s meeting this evening.

  • Anonymous

    Yup, that will be the stuff at Quimby’s meeting this evening.

  • Anonymous

    Yup, that will be the stuff at Quimby’s meeting this evening.

  • Anonymous

    Yup, that will be the stuff at Quimby’s meeting this evening.

  • Anonymous

    Yup, that will be the stuff at Quimby’s meeting this evening.

  • Anonymous

    Please! You write ” The jobs created will pay less than half of the mill jobs they will be replacing.” Please, where are the present mill jobs that the park will end and replace with low paying jobs? If the jobs are already gone, they cannot be thought of as being replaced. Sort of like, my grandpa died, and he will be replaced by a 16 year old? Because if grandpa is gone, the next person who lives in his house is not his replacement.

    So what you say is that it is better for the people in that area to await the next mill jobs and live on welfare than to take a chance on having a crassy tourist trap emerge from the wreckage of the North Maine Woods? And, no, I can’t imagine a Pigeon Forge rising in the woods. Ever been in those woods when the wind dies? Mamma used to put a brick in our diapers to keep the black flies from carrying us off. Tourists won’t stay long.

  • http://twitter.com/PamelaPerkins1 Pamela Perkins

    Roxanne will continue to use any and all tactics to move forward her North Woods National Park. She is a radical environmentalist who will stop at nothing to trample over those who oppose her. She has deep pockets and is willing to hire cadres of smooth faced lawyers and line the pockets of politicians to achieve her perceived legacy. Roxanne is not going away until the people of Maine either give in or rise up and counter her overbearing ways. Make no mistake, she is capable and willing to use all avenues to achieve her goal.    

  • Anonymous

    Ban Roxanne—

    Watch the video
    http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm

    Millionaire and muther of the Nature Conservancy Roxanne Quimby
    seeks to establish her own National Park. While this endeavor is
    quite appealing to her liberal base, it will place a serious
    and ongoing burden on the backs of every US taxpayer, and
    significantly hurt Northern Maine’s woods industry. President
    Obama has appointed Mrs. Quimby to the board of directors of the
    National Park Foundation. Quimby has been buying tens of
    thousands of acres of land in Maine to flip to the Federal
    government in order to eliminate private property rights. This
    political appointment puts Quimby into an influential position
    along with other environmentalists in the Obama administration
    to promote the agenda for a Federal takeover of rural Maine to
    replace private ownership and local government with Federal
    forced wilderness preservation.

    Quimby Opposition
    Republicans, Democrats and Independents,,, all Conservatives
    http://www.mainewoodscoalition.org/

    Quimby Lies
    http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=135873

    We as taxpayers cannot afford another unfunded burden…!

    It will remove more jobs than it creates-
    The few jobs it will create will not even pay a livable wage-
    It will remove access to hunters, atv use, snowmobiles, and
    logging-
    It has been proven that this will become an ongoing cost on the
    backs of the taxpayers-

    Even liberal actor Sam Waterston is rallying for additional
    money to keep what we have from crumbling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejO6c3iw3bg

    .

  • Anonymous

    Same place when the mills got sacked. Probably could’nt find his forktruck.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe a unique solution, but do you know what most of the First Nations (Canadian term, but it fits) do with their woodlands? Yup, stumpage sold to paper companies. And First Nations also don’t want trespassers. Those are the rest of the people without the magical ID card. Why would anybody interested in preservation give more land up to see it get clear cut?  Good thought, but not likely to appeal to anybody off the res.

    Edit: How many of the homes on the Foxcroft Rd. Maliseet property are rented to non-Indians? Just wondering.

  • Anonymous

    Snowmobile the people of the Katahdin region out of existance! Good for you Ms. Nicholson! Now I guess Quimby the non-native can keep you off her land, fundraise away. If she donated the land for a park it would no longer be in her control. Do you really not understand that? Also, if your believe your chosen recreation is more important than families being able to support themselves I feel very sorry for you. I don’t want to hear the arguement about the 350 million dollars snowmobiling generates. Only a small fraction of a fraction finds its way into the Katahdin region’s economy. Nothing that creates a liveable wage for more than a tiny few.

  • Anonymous

    quimby is only trying to find her self…she wants poersonal recognition for her wealth..keep it quimby..we don’t need you.

  • Anonymous

    quimby is only trying to find her self…she wants poersonal recognition for her wealth..keep it quimby..we don’t need you.

  • Anonymous

    quimby is only trying to find her self…she wants poersonal recognition for her wealth..keep it quimby..we don’t need you.

  • Anonymous

    quimby is only trying to find her self…she wants poersonal recognition for her wealth..keep it quimby..we don’t need you.

  • Anonymous

    quimby is only trying to find her self…she wants poersonal recognition for her wealth..keep it quimby..we don’t need you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    You know, Paranoia and constantly seeing conspiracies are signs of possible mental illness, or you took too many hits off the bong.

    Remember,
    Puff, Puff, Pass…

  • Anonymous

    Hope to see you soon!

  • Anonymous

    Are the snowmobilers going to fundraise so that the locals of the Katahdin region can keep their homes and eat? I sure hope so.

  • Anonymous

    Why do you assume there are no snowmobiles in a national park? Can you name one National Park where there is a total ban on snowmobilers?  Yes, there are some restrictions, like at Yellowstone, because snowmobilers have to share the land with those who want to hike without the whine of engine noises. Not allowing snowmobiles in a National Park is what the opponents of Roxanne say, but like a lot of things, this assumption is not based on a single fact.

  • Anonymous

    What colors would those be? 

  • Anonymous

    They do understand but they don’t like Quimby because she is from out of state and worse an environmentalist. To the snowmobilers and anti-federal nuts that means she really shouldn’t have rights like they do. It is sad and doesn’t make sense to most but that is their mentality.

  • Anonymous

    Great points about timber company owned land campgrounds being closed off to the public.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RHNBZKPADOWB6RDJEIMRZBFQGU BOB

    First of all I am a tea party member and have never tea bagged anyone , your derogatory comment is typical left wing .  Call names and spew mindless liberal talking points to distract from the real conversation. Compromise is something beneficial to both parties involved. Turning control of our forest over to the feds is not  a benefit to the people of Maine.

  • Anonymous

    A few anti-federal government publications and websites do not give you the monoply on understanding the National Park system. Quimby will not have federal control over land she donates, the 70,000 acres will cease to be hers. It maybe Quimby’s dream but it is your self imposed nightmare.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. If the Plum Creek developers follow the proper procedures they should not be stopped. It doesn’t matter if they are not locals(this seems to be a big issue with the anti-Park crowd). As long as they stay within the bounds of zoning and environmental laws, it is their land and they can do what they wish with it.  

  • Anonymous

    Yes the land is her land.  So she can do as she wishes.  Yet Plum Creek owns there land and cant do what they wish with it.  Why is one different than the other?

  • Anonymous

    That’s the best you can come with-

  • Anonymous
  • Benevolent Despot

    land manager Mark Leathers told club members that in exchange for
    letters supporting a study, they would be allowed to use trails on
    Quimby’s land for another year.
    - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - –
    That statement does sound like a bribe, go along with us and you can use the trails for one more year. What happens after that year.

    She is making way too much noise on her own behalf, take your land Rox, shut it off and pay taxes on it from now on and leave it in tree growth if it means so much. Let the forest remain uncut until the trees blow down and change the landscape for years to come. Let the forest rot and fall and keep folks off of land they have used for a long time.
    No park for you.

  • Benevolent Despot

    land manager Mark Leathers told club members that in exchange for
    letters supporting a study, they would be allowed to use trails on
    Quimby’s land for another year.
    - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - –
    That statement does sound like a bribe, go along with us and you can use the trails for one more year. What happens after that year.

    She is making way too much noise on her own behalf, take your land Rox, shut it off and pay taxes on it from now on and leave it in tree growth if it means so much. Let the forest remain uncut until the trees blow down and change the landscape for years to come. Let the forest rot and fall and keep folks off of land they have used for a long time.
    No park for you.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t have a lot of use for snowmobiles or ATV’s, which I have to say upfront.  Ms. Quimby owns the land and can do what she wants with it.  I’d never let them cross my land.  If a developer bought the land, the first thing they’d do is move all that noise as far away from the property as they could.  So, at the very least the recreational vehicle groups have the possibility of keeping a limited trail going through her property.  That might be a better way of looking at it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PDQ3VCI3TK54VCM544C623CLAE tiny

    The state of Maine should not listin to Miss. Quimby . She did not grow up there and has no vested intrest in the state other than to cause drama. When i grew up in Maine we road our snowmobiles when and where we wanted becouse they do not hurt the land we ride on snow. I still own land in monson. and when i come home i will ride all over my 350 ackers . I do not see the problem with it. The people that ride need to stand up and say hay This is bull and vote those that wish to stop you from riding out of office. Amen.

  • Benevolent Despot

    I don’t think that would be a solution.

  • Benevolent Despot

    Do you enjoy anything in life? You can’t be a native of Maine and if you are you have such a small perspective of life in Maine. Snowmobiles have been around for a long time, they can be fun and make winter enjoyable.

  • Benevolent Despot

    She isn’t liked and that will never stop. She has made a bad first impression on Mainers and will continue to make bad impressions just because of who she is.

  • Benevolent Despot

    I have ATV’s and I am not a right winger. I enjoy riding and don’t tear up the trails or land.
    I oppose what she wants and I’m a gun-toting liberal who likes to enjoy the outdoors, hunting, fishing, camping and snowmobiling.

    I don’t think we are all right wingers if we own ATV’s or snowmobiles.

  • Anonymous

    I  guess people just didn’t know how to enjoy the wilderness until the combustion engine came along. Thank the oil companies for making life worthwhile!

  • Anonymous

    I  guess people just didn’t know how to enjoy the wilderness until the combustion engine came along. Thank the oil companies for making life worthwhile!

  • Anonymous

    Snowgos have been around a long time?  How long have the moose been there? 

    I guess people just can’t have fun in the winter without gasoline.  What did our ancestors possibly do?  

  • Anonymous

    Snowgos have been around a long time?  How long have the moose been there? 

    I guess people just can’t have fun in the winter without gasoline.  What did our ancestors possibly do?  

  • Anonymous

    Snowgos have been around a long time?  How long have the moose been there? 

    I guess people just can’t have fun in the winter without gasoline.  What did our ancestors possibly do?  

  • Anonymous

    Snowgos have been around a long time?  How long have the moose been there? 

    I guess people just can’t have fun in the winter without gasoline.  What did our ancestors possibly do?  

  • Anonymous

    Snowgos have been around a long time?  How long have the moose been there? 

    I guess people just can’t have fun in the winter without gasoline.  What did our ancestors possibly do?  

  • Anonymous

    Snowgos have been around a long time?  How long have the moose been there? 

    I guess people just can’t have fun in the winter without gasoline.  What did our ancestors possibly do?  

  • Anonymous

    Snowgos have been around a long time?  How long have the moose been there? 

    I guess people just can’t have fun in the winter without gasoline.  What did our ancestors possibly do?  

  • Anonymous

    Snowgos have been around a long time?  How long have the moose been there? 

    I guess people just can’t have fun in the winter without gasoline.  What did our ancestors possibly do?  

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You are now living up to your name with your advice on how Mainer’s should do things the right way.

  • Anonymous

    Funny how arrogant people like to accuse others of the trait.  When did enjoyment become synonymous with buying Arab and Nigerian oil?

  • Anonymous

    Makes the big corporations like Clorox look worse.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think all ATV’s are respectful just because you are.  A lot of them are teenagers, and we all know what we were like as teenagers.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for admitting that Quimby can do what she wants with her land.

    Are you trying to argue against the importance of the right to private property?

  • Anonymous

    National Parks were created in the first place to protect against the abuse of big corporations.

  • Benevolent Despot

    You’re against everything.

  • Anonymous

    It is private land now and doesn’t need access by the masses/ADA compliance.

    All National Parks have to be ADA compliant that means access for the elderly and disabled IF it becomes a National Park.

  • Benevolent Despot

    Mine worked like dogs until they died and didn’t have much in life to enjoy. I don’t have to live that way.

    Gas is another thing you don’t like. Have you ever taken a ride through the woods in winter? It’s beautiful and some of it you will never see any other way.

    I get your point about the moose, personally I think it tastes great! As a couple we have taken 3 and there are plenty of moose these days.

    People have been here for ages, does that mean we have to still live like that?
    My mother and grandmother had to haul water to the house, everyday from a well. When they installed a hand pump in the old slate sink it was the greatest thing, nevermind when a well was drilled and my mother could turn on a faucet and have water, cold only. Then on bath nights the water had to be heated. Oh yes those days were great…

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t I95 now is it? They have deeded access/bought the land that the interstate is on.

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t I95 now is it? They have deeded access/bought the land that the interstate is on.

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t I95 now is it? They have deeded access/bought the land that the interstate is on.

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t I95 now is it? They have deeded access/bought the land that the interstate is on.

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t I95 now is it? They have deeded access/bought the land that the interstate is on.

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t I95 now is it? They have deeded access/bought the land that the interstate is on.

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t I95 now is it? They have deeded access/bought the land that the interstate is on.

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t I95 now is it? They have deeded access/bought the land that the interstate is on.

  • Anonymous

    and most of those jobs in Bar Harbor pay much more than min. wage!

  • Anonymous

    and most of those jobs in Bar Harbor pay much more than min. wage!

  • Anonymous

    and most of those jobs in Bar Harbor pay much more than min. wage!

  • Anonymous

    and most of those jobs in Bar Harbor pay much more than min. wage!

  • Anonymous

    and most of those jobs in Bar Harbor pay much more than min. wage!

  • Anonymous

    and most of those jobs in Bar Harbor pay much more than min. wage!

  • Anonymous

    and most of those jobs in Bar Harbor pay much more than min. wage!

  • Anonymous

    and most of those jobs in Bar Harbor pay much more than min. wage!

  • Anonymous

    and most of those jobs in Bar Harbor pay much more than min. wage!

  • yowsayowsa1

     That’s weak.

     I would expect more from you.

  • yowsayowsa1

     That’s weak.

     I would expect more from you.

  • yowsayowsa1

    Yes that’s the answer. Take it all and divvey it up so everybody can feel good about themselves while they sit on their butts and collect their “social justice” checks.

    Go sell crazy somewhere else!!

  • Anonymous

    You have no clue how many other people have land in tree growth….are they willing to give up their property rights too to keep it in tree growth? You can’t take away from one landowner and not the others. I know people in Brownville who would not be happy to have people showing up to traipse through their property just because it is in tree growth!

  • Anonymous

    there is an article on fox news about spreading the wealth. Are you in college or have kids in college? How would you feel if they asked you or your children to ‘share’ their GPA points with others not so fortunate as they are? Is that ok? Your child works hard for an A only to have to give up a few points to someone who didn’t work as hard? That isn’t fair now is it?

  • Anonymous

    Conspiracy theorists abound in this neck of the woods….they forget it takes an act of congress to move the boundaries of a National Park.

  • Anonymous

    Conspiracy theorists abound in this neck of the woods….they forget it takes an act of congress to move the boundaries of a National Park.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/XW5MTSBXQ7F3NTWCXN6QITQIVY gerald

    well i think that our government shouldnt be doing any studies at this time it will cost us tax payers way to much money if she wants a study done then she should pay for it and by the way with the mills in the area shut down maybe they should up her property taxes to help make up the differance in money the town is looseing sence she bought all that land up in that area shes been a big pain in the azz to all of the sportsmen anyways and why have more federal land up here the feds own enuff land already i think if she really wanted to do something then give it to the state and have it be part of baxter state park only reason she wants a federal park is so the government can buy it from her and she can make some money from it and then it comes off the property tx rolls so then the state looses more money

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/XW5MTSBXQ7F3NTWCXN6QITQIVY gerald

    well i think that our government shouldnt be doing any studies at this time it will cost us tax payers way to much money if she wants a study done then she should pay for it and by the way with the mills in the area shut down maybe they should up her property taxes to help make up the differance in money the town is looseing sence she bought all that land up in that area shes been a big pain in the azz to all of the sportsmen anyways and why have more federal land up here the feds own enuff land already i think if she really wanted to do something then give it to the state and have it be part of baxter state park only reason she wants a federal park is so the government can buy it from her and she can make some money from it and then it comes off the property tx rolls so then the state looses more money

  • yowsayowsa1

     Very similar to the “pahk” economy.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Very similar to the “pahk” economy.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Speak for yourself and your teenagers or future teenagers.

     Some of us were raised to respect other people’s land.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Speak for yourself and your teenagers or future teenagers.

     Some of us were raised to respect other people’s land.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Speak for yourself and your teenagers or future teenagers.

     Some of us were raised to respect other people’s land.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Speak for yourself and your teenagers or future teenagers.

     Some of us were raised to respect other people’s land.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Speak for yourself and your teenagers or future teenagers.

     Some of us were raised to respect other people’s land.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Any land that abuts to a national park can be annexed.

     The boundaries are NOT fixed.

  • yowsayowsa1

     But nobody can afford to live there for that “more than minimum wage” you speak of.

     Get into the ratrace from Bangor to Bah Habbah some morning if you doubt me.

  • Anonymous

    Where’s Burt’s bees when you need ‘em?

  • Anonymous

    well you could always move over near the studmill road–isn’t that where Walton mountain is?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Thank you George for showing the deception.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    It’s taken 10 years to even discuss 70,000 acres owned by an individual and her wishes???

  • yowsayowsa1

     Membership fees increased to cover the cost of the MSA expenses.

     Not one penny went towards offsetting the losses incurred by the ss clubs that actually do the work of grooming.
     
     None. Nada. Nothing.

     FYI;
     The money alotted to the clubs to do thier trail maintenance comes from the fees that your snowmobile registrations generate.
     Those fees are divided up between IF& W (for trail safety enforcement and registration administration), Bureau of Public Lands Offroad Program(administering the funds), the general fund(not sure what for except they always get their cut), and finally, snowmobile clubs for trail grooming and equipment purchase subsidy.

     This system is SELF funded from these registration fees.

     Bob Meyers has not successfully lobbied for an increase for nearly four years.

     The last increase the clubs recieved was two years ago and was a result of one of the club presidents in the Katahdin region going, himself, to the legislature and successfully recieving a small increase for the clubs.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Membership fees increased to cover the cost of the MSA expenses.

     Not one penny went towards offsetting the losses incurred by the ss clubs that actually do the work of grooming.
     
     None. Nada. Nothing.

     FYI;
     The money alotted to the clubs to do thier trail maintenance comes from the fees that your snowmobile registrations generate.
     Those fees are divided up between IF& W (for trail safety enforcement and registration administration), Bureau of Public Lands Offroad Program(administering the funds), the general fund(not sure what for except they always get their cut), and finally, snowmobile clubs for trail grooming and equipment purchase subsidy.

     This system is SELF funded from these registration fees.

     Bob Meyers has not successfully lobbied for an increase for nearly four years.

     The last increase the clubs recieved was two years ago and was a result of one of the club presidents in the Katahdin region going, himself, to the legislature and successfully recieving a small increase for the clubs.

  • Anonymous

    is Pushaw an ocean ,or just a small sea ?

  • Anonymous

    is Pushaw an ocean ,or just a small sea ?

  • yowsayowsa1

     The snowmobile clubs of northern Maine are fully behind the MSA position about this park.
     Other issues, not so much.

  • yowsayowsa1

     The snowmobile clubs of northern Maine are fully behind the MSA position about this park.
     Other issues, not so much.

  • Anonymous

    they probably would have used snowmobiles if they had them –and chainsaws .

  • Anonymous

    they probably would have used snowmobiles if they had them –and chainsaws .

  • Anonymous

    they probably would have used snowmobiles if they had them –and chainsaws .

  • Anonymous

    they probably would have used snowmobiles if they had them –and chainsaws .

  • Anonymous

    they probably would have used snowmobiles if they had them –and chainsaws .

  • Anonymous

    they probably would have used snowmobiles if they had them –and chainsaws .

  • yowsayowsa1

     Simple answer?

     Faaaaaaar left.

  • Anonymous

    No, because she has tried to force feed a National Park to us before, and now she is trying to be very nice about it. Though I see the snowmobile association has seen through the mist.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOATUGTPRQGCBZHQU6XZ4M4X2E page5girl

    If you want land to ride your snowmobile on, then buy some. It’s that easy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    I have to be in Augusta this afternoon at 4:30 and I am not happy about it; I have no choice. I will be there in spirit and I hope for great numbers in support of the common sense initiative that the park is. LARGE NUMBERS is the best alternative to the naysayers. Good luck and see you soon.

  • yowsayowsa1

     That is some of the worst BS i’ve seen on this forum in a while.

     Tacky trinkets to the tourists!!!

     What an economy!

  • Anonymous

    And she knows a lot of people I am sure. It does not take much when they use the guise of enviormental issues to get something pushed through.

  • Anonymous

    And she knows a lot of people I am sure. It does not take much when they use the guise of enviormental issues to get something pushed through.

  • Anonymous

    And she knows a lot of people I am sure. It does not take much when they use the guise of enviormental issues to get something pushed through.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452684179 Jason Simonds

    I think you need a history lesson. Go rent the DVD documentaries about how the National Parks were formed.

    And while we are at it, let’s ask Bar Harbor how ineffective having a National Park is at boosting an economy??

    We could ask the folks int he Yellowstone are if having a National Park is good for the economy.

    Where does the MSA get the arrogance to challenge what a private land owner does with the land they own. If we flipped the issue, these same people would be screaming about an outside special interest group dictating what a private land owner can do.

    Perhaps a little more respect from the MSA to the land owners who are nice enough to let their land be used would gain them more than whining about how a private land owner chooses to exercise their property rights.

    Would this same group turn back time and undo what Gov Baxter did?

    Would the gift of Acadia be turned down?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452684179 Jason Simonds

    I think you need a history lesson. Go rent the DVD documentaries about how the National Parks were formed.

    And while we are at it, let’s ask Bar Harbor how ineffective having a National Park is at boosting an economy??

    We could ask the folks int he Yellowstone are if having a National Park is good for the economy.

    Where does the MSA get the arrogance to challenge what a private land owner does with the land they own. If we flipped the issue, these same people would be screaming about an outside special interest group dictating what a private land owner can do.

    Perhaps a little more respect from the MSA to the land owners who are nice enough to let their land be used would gain them more than whining about how a private land owner chooses to exercise their property rights.

    Would this same group turn back time and undo what Gov Baxter did?

    Would the gift of Acadia be turned down?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452684179 Jason Simonds

    I think you need a history lesson. Go rent the DVD documentaries about how the National Parks were formed.

    And while we are at it, let’s ask Bar Harbor how ineffective having a National Park is at boosting an economy??

    We could ask the folks int he Yellowstone are if having a National Park is good for the economy.

    Where does the MSA get the arrogance to challenge what a private land owner does with the land they own. If we flipped the issue, these same people would be screaming about an outside special interest group dictating what a private land owner can do.

    Perhaps a little more respect from the MSA to the land owners who are nice enough to let their land be used would gain them more than whining about how a private land owner chooses to exercise their property rights.

    Would this same group turn back time and undo what Gov Baxter did?

    Would the gift of Acadia be turned down?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452684179 Jason Simonds

    I think you need a history lesson. Go rent the DVD documentaries about how the National Parks were formed.

    And while we are at it, let’s ask Bar Harbor how ineffective having a National Park is at boosting an economy??

    We could ask the folks int he Yellowstone are if having a National Park is good for the economy.

    Where does the MSA get the arrogance to challenge what a private land owner does with the land they own. If we flipped the issue, these same people would be screaming about an outside special interest group dictating what a private land owner can do.

    Perhaps a little more respect from the MSA to the land owners who are nice enough to let their land be used would gain them more than whining about how a private land owner chooses to exercise their property rights.

    Would this same group turn back time and undo what Gov Baxter did?

    Would the gift of Acadia be turned down?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452684179 Jason Simonds

    I think you need a history lesson. Go rent the DVD documentaries about how the National Parks were formed.

    And while we are at it, let’s ask Bar Harbor how ineffective having a National Park is at boosting an economy??

    We could ask the folks int he Yellowstone are if having a National Park is good for the economy.

    Where does the MSA get the arrogance to challenge what a private land owner does with the land they own. If we flipped the issue, these same people would be screaming about an outside special interest group dictating what a private land owner can do.

    Perhaps a little more respect from the MSA to the land owners who are nice enough to let their land be used would gain them more than whining about how a private land owner chooses to exercise their property rights.

    Would this same group turn back time and undo what Gov Baxter did?

    Would the gift of Acadia be turned down?

  • yowsayowsa1

     You must be salivating over the prospect of all those SEIU park jobs that you HOPE will be created with this monstrosity.

  • yowsayowsa1

     You must be salivating over the prospect of all those SEIU park jobs that you HOPE will be created with this monstrosity.

  • yowsayowsa1

     You must be salivating over the prospect of all those SEIU park jobs that you HOPE will be created with this monstrosity.

  • Anonymous

    What do you think those gates she put up does, let people in?

  • Anonymous

    What do you think those gates she put up does, let people in?

  • Anonymous

    What do you think those gates she put up does, let people in?

  • Anonymous

    What do you think those gates she put up does, let people in?

  • Anonymous

    What do you think those gates she put up does, let people in?

  • yowsayowsa1

    FAIL

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ron-Blanchard/1723676121 Ron Blanchard

    If Quimby wants to Help Maine/Mainers,  tell her to move her Business back……

  • Anonymous

    This land is your land …this land is my land. do a little jig now.

  • Anonymous

    A national park would allow for more than just than the winter season to be capitalized on. Snowmobilers, for the most part, don’t put money into the economy aside from gas stations also they are comprised of  mainly Mainers. The park would also bring in out of state money, I know outside tourist are frowned upon but they do put in lots of money into local businesses. 

  • Anonymous

    They do?  What jobs in Bar Harbor during the tourist season pay more than minimum wage?  I guess I’m surprised by that.  

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    First 70,000 acres, then another 2,930,000 and you’re there!

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Please define “tradition.”

  • Anonymous

    There is no likelihood that federal government annexing anything. This park would be asset to the region both recreationally and economically. The feds will never go into this region and purchase any land by annexation or any other means. Do you want these towns to be depopulated so you can snowmobile in a true wilderness? That appears to be your interest.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Your statement:

    “There is absolutely no way to access many remote areas of Maine in winter other than by snowmobile.”

    Is simply not correct. Any where a snowmobile can go so can someone on XC skis or snowshoes.

    If you meant to write “speedily access” or “easily access” then I would agree with you.

    Let me ask you this, and I mean it seriously: If the trail that is part of Interconnected Trail System 85 that runs through the park were preserved, but only for through traffic with no spurs, would you be more inclined to favor a national park? This is important, since most users of a proposed park will do so during the late spring, summer, and early fall.

    Two groups of users can live together.

  • Anonymous

    Teenagers get in trouble–admit it.  C’mon.  It won’t hurt you to say it. We all know it’s true.

  • Anonymous

    Step it up.

  • Anonymous

    A totally different scenario.

  • Anonymous

    Equating your ancestors to dogs who didn’t enjoy anything — because they didn’t have snowmobiles — is crazy.

    We’re talking about snowmobiles, remember?

  • Anonymous

    Chainsaws make you chubby.  Axes make you strong.

    Snowshoeing and skiiing develop stamina and coordination.  Snowmobiles allow you to bring your donuts along for the ride — and annoy nature with noises that didn’t exist for billions of years.

  • Benevolent Despot

    They would have loved snowmobiles!

  • Benevolent Despot

    How high?

  • Anonymous

    I guess it is okay to let Wal-Mart control our State, even though it is based in Bentonville Arkansas, and the profits go right out of our State to the South–Quimby, on the other hand, is giving up control, not controlling us.

  • Anonymous

    I guess it is okay to let Wal-Mart control our State, even though it is based in Bentonville Arkansas, and the profits go right out of our State to the South–Quimby, on the other hand, is giving up control, not controlling us.

  • Anonymous

    Not if they snarled by their house and ruined the peace and majesty they loved. 

    People used to choose horses over cars.

  • Anonymous

    Not if they snarled by their house and ruined the peace and majesty they loved. 

    People used to choose horses over cars.

  • Anonymous

    Not if they snarled by their house and ruined the peace and majesty they loved. 

    People used to choose horses over cars.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby does not want to help Maine/Mainers.  She wants Federally imposed wilderness. She represents 60s counter culture radical politics and the anti-industrial revolution.  She hates industry and she hates private property rights.

  • Anonymous

    There has been a long tradition of multiple use of private timberland for both industry and recreation that worked very well through common understanding.  Quimby isn’t prohibiting use of her land out of a desire to use it for something else — she is deliberately buying up as much as she can to displace everything else. She wants to overthrow traditional land use and private property rights.  She hates industry, she hates snowmobiles and she hates private property rights.  She wants a National Park Service takeover for Federal control throughout millions of acres of rural Maine to impose wilderness preservation and to keep people out.  It’s no wonder that people resent her so much.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby and Restore’s way of “looking at it” is to impose as much Federal wilderness as they can get away with over millions of acres.  They hate industry, private property rights and motorized recreation, all of which they are trying to obliterate through any manipulation they can.  Quimby isn’t eliminating noise from where people want to live, which would be understandable,  she is eliminating all human presence.  The way to “look at it” is by identifying what Quimby and Restore are doing politically and ideologically to wreck the state, not looking at one small aspect at a time as if it were isolated in a vacuum.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby and Restore’s way of “looking at it” is to impose as much Federal wilderness as they can get away with over millions of acres.  They hate industry, private property rights and motorized recreation, all of which they are trying to obliterate through any manipulation they can.  Quimby isn’t eliminating noise from where people want to live, which would be understandable,  she is eliminating all human presence.  The way to “look at it” is by identifying what Quimby and Restore are doing politically and ideologically to wreck the state, not looking at one small aspect at a time as if it were isolated in a vacuum.

  • Anonymous

     What “paranoia”?  Be specific. What in the Quimby/Restore/NPCA announced agenda do you deny they are doing?  What in the long record of the National Park Service abuse pushing people around do you deny?

  • Anonymous

    Cecil Gray is a radical leftist preservationist and apologist for the National Park Service’s long record of abuse.  Cecil Gray has a record of smearing his enemies as “paranoid” and the rest of his gratuitous insults.

    Salazar intruding in Maine from Washington, DC to promote an agenda of Federal control over private property is not an “honor”; it is a pure political maneuver.  They want power.  Salazar is hated in the west where he has been bypassing Congressional authorization and imposing wilderness areas on his own.  The Obama Interior Dept. is filled with viro lobbyists running government policy.  They have been collaborating with viro activists in Maine to take over millions of acres of private property.  As Executive Directory of the Natural Resources Council of Maine, Brownie Carson was caught boasting about this in an email to the Interior Dept. obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.  Cecil Gray wants you to believe it is only “paranoia” and “ignorance”.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby has been deliberately shutting down snowmobile trails on tens of thousands of acres.  She only “talks” to con and threaten people into supporting her agenda for Federal control and wilderness.  These arrogant, condescending preservationists are constantly demeaning Maine people as “backwards” and “ignorant” for not going along with the political demands for progressively more government control.

  • Anonymous

    Snowmobilers are only one part of the opposition to a Federal takeover to impose wilderness through the National Park Service.  These pressure groups for Federal control have torn the state apart for years at a time over their takeover attempts and various maneuvers to get it for decades.

  • Anonymous

     A Federal takeover of millions of acres of private property in Maine has been oppposed for decades.  It did not originate with Quimby.  It came from the National Park Service and its Washington lobby collaborating with big pressure groups like the Wilderness Society and wealthy insiders like the Maine Coast Heritage Trust.  Sensible people were opposing these political power grabs before anyone had heard of Quimby.  Quimby is properly reviled now because she has been trying to revive this skunk by throwing her money around to try to buy government control and public policy on behalf of the same readical wilderness agenda.  Quimby has not been “attacked”; Quimby declared war on Maine and people are properly defending themselves and fighting back.

  • Benevolent Despot

    Sounds like you have had a personal problem with snowmobiles. I love my horses ride them all the time, but they can’t get me to where I need to go everyday. I think the same would be true for the vast majority of people today.

    People chose horses over cars because there were no cars, or cars were a luxury they couldn’t afford until years later.

  • Anonymous

    It’s the standard line they use.  Some of them don’t seem to realize that we have already been through that propaganda and people have caught on to the false promises of tooth fairy economics while the parkies ignore the terrible record of National Park Service abuse in Maine and elsewhere over a very long period, hoping that people don’t remember.

  • Anonymous

    It’s the standard line they use.  Some of them don’t seem to realize that we have already been through that propaganda and people have caught on to the false promises of tooth fairy economics while the parkies ignore the terrible record of National Park Service abuse in Maine and elsewhere over a very long period, hoping that people don’t remember.

  • Anonymous

    It’s the standard line they use.  Some of them don’t seem to realize that we have already been through that propaganda and people have caught on to the false promises of tooth fairy economics while the parkies ignore the terrible record of National Park Service abuse in Maine and elsewhere over a very long period, hoping that people don’t remember.

  • Anonymous

    It’s the standard line they use.  Some of them don’t seem to realize that we have already been through that propaganda and people have caught on to the false promises of tooth fairy economics while the parkies ignore the terrible record of National Park Service abuse in Maine and elsewhere over a very long period, hoping that people don’t remember.

  • Anonymous

    It’s the standard line they use.  Some of them don’t seem to realize that we have already been through that propaganda and people have caught on to the false promises of tooth fairy economics while the parkies ignore the terrible record of National Park Service abuse in Maine and elsewhere over a very long period, hoping that people don’t remember.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That’s the best description of her I have read.
    Well stated and correct.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That’s the best description of her I have read.
    Well stated and correct.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That’s the best description of her I have read.
    Well stated and correct.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That’s the best description of her I have read.
    Well stated and correct.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That’s the best description of her I have read.
    Well stated and correct.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That’s the best description of her I have read.
    Well stated and correct.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That’s the best description of her I have read.
    Well stated and correct.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That’s the best description of her I have read.
    Well stated and correct.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That’s the best description of her I have read.
    Well stated and correct.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That’s the best description of her I have read.
    Well stated and correct.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That’s the best description of her I have read.
    Well stated and correct.

  • Benevolent Despot

    That’s the best description of her I have read.
    Well stated and correct.

  • Anonymous

    The National Park Service and its lobby have an “all or nothing philosophy”. When they get the power to rule they trample people.  Quimby has nothing new to say.  We have been through this nonsense promoting Federal control for decades.  It has nothing to do with “carrots” or “the economy”.  They want the land — millions of acres of private property locked up by the government as wilderness and preserationism.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby has been cynically exploiting people’s fears of the economy.  She is repackaging a decades-old anti-people, anti-economy wilderness agenda, now dishonestly marketed as if it were for “the economy”.

  • Benevolent Despot

    Chainsaws do not make a man chubby.
    My adult son carries one around with him all day long; a 440 Stihl saw and a cable skidder. He is 6’4″ has abs of steel and a chest and arms that weren’t created by working out in a gym. His resting pulse is 42, the nurses often hit the machine to see if it’s right, it is. He is as fit as an Olympic athlete not the least bit chubby.

    Axes however have killed many a man, a long ago relative of mine was cutting wood with a double edge axe, before chainsaws, he hit his leg with the blade and died right there axe still in hand. His horses still standing by him, what a life!

  • Anonymous

    No one is telling Quimby what she has to do with her land.  Landowner rights do not include imposing Federal control.  Regardless of her actual rights, people do have the right to object to the stupidity of her crazy no-use wilderness ideology.   Quimby is destructive on principle.  Within limits people have a right to do crazy things on their own property; that does not preclude others from identifying the craziness of a woman deliberately buying massive amounts of land so that it cannot be used.  Quimby’s attempt to strong-arm support for her radical politics and attempt to buy government control and public policy are inexcusable.

  • Anonymous

    “Landowner rights” do give Quimby a “right” to impose Federal control.  She is trying to destroy property rights.  Quimby: “To me, ownership and private property were the beginning of the end in this country. Once the Europeans came in, drawing lines and dividing things up, things started getting exploited and overconsumed. But a park takes away the whole issue of ownership. It’s off the table; we all own it and we all share it. It’s so democratic.

  • Anonymous

    if you want a  road to ride on buy your own ,now go check your trust fund and eat some veggies !

  • Anonymous

    wrong, she want none why do you think we have relocated them twice already

  • Anonymous

    She has the legal right to prohibit use of her land.  The rest of us have the right to identify the shear destructiveness in her buying massive amounts of land to deliberately prevent human use. 

    She has no right to buy government controls enforcing permanent no-use wilderness and the obliteration of property rights forever. 

    The National Park Service does not do objective studies.  It plans for how to control land and promotes the expansion of its own empire.  The so-called “feasibility study” is intended to build political momentum for a preconceived agenda.

  • Anonymous

    She has the legal right to prohibit use of her land.  The rest of us have the right to identify the shear destructiveness in her buying massive amounts of land to deliberately prevent human use. 

    She has no right to buy government controls enforcing permanent no-use wilderness and the obliteration of property rights forever. 

    The National Park Service does not do objective studies.  It plans for how to control land and promotes the expansion of its own empire.  The so-called “feasibility study” is intended to build political momentum for a preconceived agenda.

  • Anonymous

    And don’t let snowmobiles rescue anyone out there in the winter either…..might as well take ‘em away from the Wardens too…The snowmobile trails and clubs have been around for a long time and they should be able to use the trails they’ve made over the years……..sounds like a plan is in place to convert the sled trails into walking trails………it’s just tough having to change because of people from away; wanting to be from here; forgetting to leave their luggage back to where they came from…………. 

  • Anonymous

    And don’t let snowmobiles rescue anyone out there in the winter either…..might as well take ‘em away from the Wardens too…The snowmobile trails and clubs have been around for a long time and they should be able to use the trails they’ve made over the years……..sounds like a plan is in place to convert the sled trails into walking trails………it’s just tough having to change because of people from away; wanting to be from here; forgetting to leave their luggage back to where they came from…………. 

  • Anonymous

    You obviously are clueless she has already shut numerous trails down.

  • Anonymous

    You obviously are clueless she has already shut numerous trails down.

  • Anonymous

    And others have the right to denounce her destructive policies buying as much land as she can to obliterate human use.

    Using her land as she sees fit does not include imposing Federal control through the National Park Service to permanently obliterate private property rights and impose no-use wilderness.  She has no right to buy government control and public policy.

     

  • Anonymous

    And others have the right to denounce her destructive policies buying as much land as she can to obliterate human use.

    Using her land as she sees fit does not include imposing Federal control through the National Park Service to permanently obliterate private property rights and impose no-use wilderness.  She has no right to buy government control and public policy.

     

  • Anonymous

    She can take  a HIKE WE WILL RELOCATE TO LAND THAT ISNT HERS !

  • Anonymous

    She can take  a HIKE WE WILL RELOCATE TO LAND THAT ISNT HERS !

  • Anonymous

    She is a back stabber we have done nothing but cooperate with her and it has gotten us no where,she even told us we were the the only ones that respected her enough to talk to her .Its time to take off the gloves, kudos to Bob Myers for finally saying enough is enough.Take a hike roxy baby !!!   

  • Anonymous

    She is a back stabber we have done nothing but cooperate with her and it has gotten us no where,she even told us we were the the only ones that respected her enough to talk to her .Its time to take off the gloves, kudos to Bob Myers for finally saying enough is enough.Take a hike roxy baby !!!   

  • Anonymous

    She is a back stabber we have done nothing but cooperate with her and it has gotten us no where,she even told us we were the the only ones that respected her enough to talk to her .Its time to take off the gloves, kudos to Bob Myers for finally saying enough is enough.Take a hike roxy baby !!!   

  • Anonymous

    Snowmobiles are being progressively prohibited at Yellowstone and elsewhere because the National Park Service and its pressure groups want wilderness preservationism at the expense of recreation.  They are getting rid of as much snowmobiling as they can.

    The goal of Restore and Quimby is wilderness “eco system restoration”.  That is why they want Federal control through the National Park Service.  If they were to not get complete wilderness imposition at the beginning, the same pressure groups would progressively impose it over time.
     

  • Anonymous

    Which is why the tactic has to be to negotiate a long-term commitment from her to use a tiny slice of her property (the least amount possible) so that the snowmobile and atv community can continue to do what they want to do.  I know she doesn’t like them.  I don’t like them.  But, you have to play the long game with her and not oppose her at every turn.  Politically, I don’t think she can totally ban these recreational activities from her land and still get what she wants.  Take advantage of that.

  • Anonymous

    So much ignorant, sneering sarcasm that does not address what has been said and the reasons for rejecting Federal control.

  • Anonymous

    So much ignorant, sneering sarcasm that does not address what has been said and the reasons for rejecting Federal control.

  • Anonymous

    So much ignorant, sneering sarcasm that does not address what has been said and the reasons for rejecting Federal control.

  • Anonymous

    So much ignorant, sneering sarcasm that does not address what has been said and the reasons for rejecting Federal control.

  • Anonymous

    So much ignorant, sneering sarcasm that does not address what has been said and the reasons for rejecting Federal control.

  • Anonymous

    Where did you get this idea from?  Do you think all snowmobilers pack a lunch before they head out?  When ever I go for a ride I buy fuel, food, and lodging.  That is money right into the economy.  Not only do we buy more than gas, we pay the extra taxes in gas that go to the roads.  We dont use the roads but we are helping out.  Also if you think its only Mainers that snowmobile maybe you should drive by a hotel sometime this winter and check out some license plates.

  • Anonymous

    This isn’t true at all.  She is exerting HER private property rights and people don’t like it.  I don’t disagree with your view on her strict environmentalist perspective, but she does own this land and doesn’t have to justify her feeling about motorized recreation to anyone.  I can name a couple rivers in Maine where public access is restricted by sporting camps.  Why aren’t people complaining about that?  Those are public rivers?  Why don’t we have access to them?

    That being said, you don’t have to agree with her to get what you want.  And to be fair to her, she has allowed these vehicles through her land even though she hates them.  She’s doing that because she can’t POLITICALLY do otherwise. 

    Just out of curiosity, is there a law that says snowmobiles and atv’s can’t access federal land?  If not,what makes you think it wouldn’t be better is the feds took the land over (which I don’t support)?

  • Anonymous

    No group can live peacefully under the raw, top-own power of the National Park Service and its pressure groups.

  • Anonymous

    The industrial revolution, including the discovery of the use of oil and the internal combustion engine, have made human life far better than the previous millennia of primitivism.  People have a right to appreciate that and make use of it regardless of the arrogant preservationists trying to impose primitivism.  Snowmobilers enjoy nature through the use of modern technology.  The viro movement is the anti industrial revolution.

  • Anonymous

    The industrial revolution, including the discovery of the use of oil and the internal combustion engine, have made human life far better than the previous millennia of primitivism.  People have a right to appreciate that and make use of it regardless of the arrogant preservationists trying to impose primitivism.  Snowmobilers enjoy nature through the use of modern technology.  The viro movement is the anti industrial revolution.

  • Anonymous

    Yes …Clorox makes hidden valley dressing for facial peels toooo.

  • Anonymous

    Yes …Clorox makes hidden valley dressing for facial peels toooo.

  • Anonymous

    Preservationism has become a religion filled with nonsensical semi-poetic rhetoric and imagery.

  • Anonymous

    Arrogant is believing that the government should lock up enormous areas of land for the exclusive use of the few who have time and strength to get to it by hiking.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZK3HWRXHKZ2R6KXRXDQNA2ZIHM JEAN

    Something about this whole thing does not smell right.  First it is 70,000 acres, then under the Restore site it is 3.2 million acres.  One outfit says not to worry, trust us, we won’t shut off snowmobiling, fishing, hunting, or touch your camps, we will just extend your lease at a much higher cost, etc., etc., yet the other has taken away camps under eminent domain and restricted use. “ Trust us”, they say.  Hummm.  How many times have we bought in to that statement. only to come up on the short end of the stick. 

    Let us purchase the land we have been leasing and give us all an exclusion like you have other business owers and some camp owners.  Put everything into writing for all to understand.  No restrictions on the usage of all of the land at all.

    Please do your homework people.  Check out the Restore Website, the Nature Conservency Site and then compare everything to what Quimby says.  Where is the entrance to this entity going to be?  Is it going through Medway, East Millinocket and Millinocket?  Who is going to pay the taxes on this land?  The F3ederal Government is broke, the State of Maine is broke.  Your representatives are not for it.  There must be a very good reason.

  • Anonymous

     Industry does not deliberately destroy its own assets.  State controls and taxes have been driving business and investment out of Maine for decades.  The viro pressure groups hate industry and have been especially maneuvering to kill logging in any way they can through threats, harassment and government control.

    Cecil Gray is a socialist and radical preservationist who is constantly bashing industry as an excuse for a Federal takeover of millions of acres of private property.

  • Anonymous

    The small towns outside of Yellowstone are economically dying due to the suppression of the snowmobiles by the National Park Service and its preservationist pressure groups.

  • Anonymous

    So you think that all areas should be open to motorized vehicles? Care to compare the size of areas that are versus those that aren’t used for foot travel only? Currently, there are relatively few areas that have been set aside for foot travel only. Seriously, you can drive up Cadillac Mountain, run your car through the middle of most of our national parks (most of which have areas accessible to the elderly and disabled, and some even have specialized wheelchairs and trails for those seeking that experience). I do not think it’s arrogant to want areas that haven’t been over run by motorized vehicles. How is it arrogant to simply want some peace and quiet? My point was that I think it’s arrogant for people to think they should be able to drive anywhere they want. My brother is disabled, and is an avid hunter and fisherman, yet he doesn’t seem to have a problem with areas that are set aside for hikers and outdoor enthusiasts seeking a different experience. It’s not arrogant to want areas set aside where there is not access by motorized vehicles, it’s sane.

  • Anonymous

    Federal control is not  “gift”.

    The Burns “documentary” on the National Parks was not an independent documentary.  It was produced by Burns’ partner Dayton Duncan who started the project when he was appointed by the Clinton administration to the government-created National Parks Foundation.  The “documentary” was an historically inaccurate and biased whitewash produced to promote the National Park Service.

    The National Park Service did not create Cadillac Mountain on the ocean or the local economy.

    Acadia National Park was not a “gift” and was never intended to be.

    Read The Story of Acadia National Park, an autobiographical account by the leader George Dorr, who in an intended favorable account of himself nevertheless revealed quite a bit.  The publisher described it (1985 edition) as “a forest of political intrigues, favors called in, land speculation, the rebellion of the ‘locals’, an the unlimited use of reputations, power and money“. Dorr’s campaign took him “into the parlors and dining rooms of America’s elite, through the halls of Congress, and finally right into the Oval Office itself.”  

    Dorr openly acknowledged that their intent had never been for the wealthy backers of the land trust to give up the land.  Due to a revolt of local citizens after years of being pushed around (including by eminent domain) Dorr and his cronies turned to the Federal government to take control because they were afraid of losing their charter in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    This is more of Cecil Gray’s smearing his enemies for alleged “paranoia” and “fake fear tirades”.  He systematically ignores the reasons why Federal control have been rejected in Maine for decades.  He ignores the goals and meaning of the campaign for Greenlining and National Park acquisition of private property, and he ignores the terrible record of abuse by National Park Service power in Maine and across the country.  He doesn’t want people to know about this.

  • Anonymous

    NEVER TRUST A TREE HUGGER, THEY’LL PUT THE SCREWS TO YA IF THEY GET A CHANCE!!!

  • Anonymous

    Federally imposed wilderness restrictions are not an “economic” or “recreational” asset.  They want to keep people out.  They don’t want an economy; they want wilderness and have said so for decades.  

    The National Park Service is expansionary by its nature.  Inholders and adjacent lands are always under a threat.  No one should have to live like that.

    Local landowners don’t have any say in what Congress authorizes, especially when the well-heeled, politically sophisticated pressure groups are running one of their high profile, misleading media campaigns to “save” someone else’s property.  Ask the people who lost their land to eminent domain in the 1982 and 1986 “compromises” at Acadia.  Quimby boasts that she has been buying land at Acadia to flip to the National Park Service — they are under the threat of condemnation if they try to build on their own property and can’t sell to anyone else.

    This is what happens when these things are opened up in Congress by the pressure groups.  It is a constant threat.  Tens of thousands of people all over the country have been wiped out this way by the National Park Service and its pressure groups.  The National Park Service has a long record of this abuse.

  • Anonymous

    This is a complete misrepresentation.

  • Anonymous

    “Rezoning” is required for General Management Areas because likely uses could not be anticipated when they were established.  The viro pressure groups do everything they can to block it.

  • Anonymous

    She has no right to flip it to the National Park Service and establish Federal control.  She can use it privately the way she wants to and people can denounce her under freedom of speech for obnoxiously doing crazy things.

  • Anonymous

    I apologize, I forgot they eat at fast food spots-and sometimes stay in motels( forgive me, I most probably leaving something else out, please don’t blow a gasket mudboginmainer) .  Also sorry you have to pay extra taxes for your chosen hobby. But you can’t expect many inhabitants of the Katahdin region to rely on feeding  and gasing up snowmobilers to support themselves for rest of the year on this one activity. Look at it this way, right now Quimby can keep you off her 70,000 acres thus effectively blocking the snowmobile trail. With a park there is a good potential for it to be opened up so these trails can be accessed, it would be out of Quimby’s hands.

  • Anonymous

    Cecil Gray’s accusations are becoming increasingly incoherent.

  • Anonymous

    If the land is for sale and no one else buys it, and she, or anyone else buys it she/they can do with it as they please within the law. What do you mean by “buy government controls”? Whose property rights would this “obliterate”? No one has a right to the property but her. Your comment about the National Park Service sounds paranoid. Thank goodness for National Parks. We should be doing everything in our power to preserve and expand them. I doubt there is any danger of the entire country becoming one big National Park. I really hope that this goes through. I think that it is a case of discomposing a few for the good of many. That’s probably going to be interpreted as a socialistic statement and I guess it is…in the sense that society, in general, will ultimately benefit.

  • Anonymous

    If the land is for sale and no one else buys it, and she, or anyone else buys it she/they can do with it as they please within the law. What do you mean by “buy government controls”? Whose property rights would this “obliterate”? No one has a right to the property but her. Your comment about the National Park Service sounds paranoid. Thank goodness for National Parks. We should be doing everything in our power to preserve and expand them. I doubt there is any danger of the entire country becoming one big National Park. I really hope that this goes through. I think that it is a case of discomposing a few for the good of many. That’s probably going to be interpreted as a socialistic statement and I guess it is…in the sense that society, in general, will ultimately benefit.

  • Anonymous

    National Parks were created for forced preservation.  The National Park Service has since seized land from private corporations and individuals alike, including existing homes, farms and small businesses.  Some of the classic, horrifying travesties in this abuse date back to the early days in the 1920s and 1930s at Shenandoah and the Smoky Mountains.

    Using land is not “abuse”.  Continued bashing of “corporations” is more left wing rhetoric that adds nothing to the discussion.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby wants the National Park Service to control the land because she knows what the National Park Service is.  It has the power that she does not.  Whether or not an initial authorization would include the full wilderness that Quimby and Restore want, they know that the National Park Service and its pressure groups are constantly clamping down with more and more restrictions and wilderness in the drive for preservation over recreation and other uses of government land.

    My own knowledge of the National Park Service and its history is not restricted to what can be learned from a few websites, and began before there was such a thing as a website.  It includes, but is not restricted to, a lot of my own personal experience.  No one should have to go through what I have seen, especially in this country.  There is no monopoly on knowledge, it is open to anyone.  You do not want people to know.
     

  • Anonymous

     This comment is incoherently ignorant and misleading.

  • Anonymous

     This comment is incoherently ignorant and misleading.

  • Anonymous

     This comment is incoherently ignorant and misleading.

  • Anonymous

     This comment is incoherently ignorant and misleading.

  • Anonymous

     This comment is incoherently ignorant and misleading.

  • Anonymous

     This comment is incoherently ignorant and misleading.

  • AionNV

    Bull.

  • Anonymous

    Obama appointed her to a position of some authority, so she is strong arming everybody, along with the Sierra Club and all the other “eco freakos” just one more reason Resident Obama has to go, along with  Roxy 

  • Anonymous

    There is also a history of unbelievable abuse in the creation of that park.  I enjoyed going through there a few times, too, but when I learned how they forcibly removed thousands of people from the mountains it made me sick.  That travesty is better known than similar abuse at many other National Parks, but most people still don’t know about it. It seems to be better known locally in eastern Tennessee where there is still a lot resentment.  NPS and its boosters, have to acknowledge what happened there because enough people know about it, but they still make no apologies, quite the contrary.  The obstinate defense of the abuse makes me sick too, and ought to be warning to everyone.

  • Anonymous

    There is also a history of unbelievable abuse in the creation of that park.  I enjoyed going through there a few times, too, but when I learned how they forcibly removed thousands of people from the mountains it made me sick.  That travesty is better known than similar abuse at many other National Parks, but most people still don’t know about it. It seems to be better known locally in eastern Tennessee where there is still a lot resentment.  NPS and its boosters, have to acknowledge what happened there because enough people know about it, but they still make no apologies, quite the contrary.  The obstinate defense of the abuse makes me sick too, and ought to be warning to everyone.

  • Anonymous

    The National Park Service did not create Cadillac Mountain looking out over the ocean and did not create the local ecconomy.

  • Anonymous

    The National Park Service did not create Cadillac Mountain looking out over the ocean and did not create the local ecconomy.

  • Anonymous

    Wilderness hiking trails are not accessible by the disabled or anyone else without the time or ability to spend days or weeks walking through wilderness.

  • Anonymous

    You need to read the history of the area. Before the park Bar Harbor’s economy was based pretty much only on the presence of wealthy rusticators. The local economy consisted largely service jobs taking care of said wealthy rusticators. Now there are restaurants, shops, whale-watching tours, kayaking companies, hotels, bed and breakfast inns, etc., etc., all the indirect result of the preservation of Acadia. No cellphone towers on Cadillac thanks to the NPS. It is wrong to deny the positive economic impact of that huge draw. The park is busy year-round, even when the mountain roads are closed, and more and more businesses are opening year round as well.

  • Anonymous

    ewv posts about snowmobiles and the local economies around Yellowstone are not really true.  The numbers of snowmachiners in the park has decreased from 720 at its peak to 318 in 2010.  The snowmobile businesses around the area have had to diversify their inventory to include four stroke snowmobiles and snowcoaches. They are not drying up and killing the local economies like ewv would have you believe. And to answer your last question, yes I do think ewv and brucefl56 and their like would say no to Acadia. Sadly I think they make up a vocal minority who drowned out all other voices of reason. On the bright side, around 70% of all Mainers would like a new park though, that is a positive.

  • Anonymous

    It is the most embarrassing thing to see the Ban Roxanne and Ban Park people picketing in front of Stearn’s High School. Most are unemployed Mill workers with no future and want no future for the this area and the rest of us. Young people are leaving and they don’t care. Very small minded, small town folks. History I’m sure will show how sad this event and the behavior of our town leaders contributed to the final end of the Magic City. A new group of section 8 kids just arrived for school year 2012… have fun with that and your 6 Chinese kids. How’s the mill working for you?

    PS it won’t cost the taxpayers money if Ms Quimby pays for the study. Why be scared of information?

  • Anonymous

    It is the most embarrassing thing to see the Ban Roxanne and Ban Park people picketing in front of Stearn’s High School. Most are unemployed Mill workers with no future and want no future for the this area and the rest of us. Young people are leaving and they don’t care. Very small minded, small town folks. History I’m sure will show how sad this event and the behavior of our town leaders contributed to the final end of the Magic City. A new group of section 8 kids just arrived for school year 2012… have fun with that and your 6 Chinese kids. How’s the mill working for you?

    PS it won’t cost the taxpayers money if Ms Quimby pays for the study. Why be scared of information?

  • Anonymous

    It’s not a new plan.  It came from the “National Park System Plan” put together by the National Parks and Conservation Association, the private lobby arm of the National Park Service, in collaboration with the agency itself and other big park and wilderness pressure groups.  The Plan was released and heavily promoted in Congress and in the media in 1988.  It includes millions of acres of private property targeted in Maine as a “top priority” and was thoroughly denouncd, though it took years to beat back all of its tentacles and all their manipulations.  The pressure groups are still after the original goals in a strategic long term, incremental approach, and there are many facets to this — including harassment of industry to try to kill logging and the mills.

    One of the targets in Maine, the 3.2 million acre area pushed by Restore and Quimby, was part of that.  Quimby has been on the board of directors of Restore but left a few years ago to try to moderate her image while retaining the original goals. She has since the 1990s been buying up massive amounts of land which she has boasted she wants to flip to the National Park Service as a “seed” and “down payment” on the rest, realizing that she can’t buy all of it herself and that Federal acquisition will be required.   She has been canceling camp leases and closing roads on her land in anticipation of Federal control imposing permanent wilderness.

    The state legislature just overwhelmingly passed a resolution opposing Quimby’s plan to establish a National Park with 70,000 acres of her land.  There have been many such resolutions at all levels of government over the years.  

    Quimby is now claiming that the wilderness agenda is really for “the economy” in order to create an appearance of public support so that the National Park Service could be authorized to begin planning and promotion in a so-called “feasibility study” — a political device to provide an official sanction of a preconceived agenda and build political momentum for it with a media campaign.
     

  • Anonymous

    Because what Plum Creek wants to do is different than what RQ wants to do, or mostly not do. One want to alter the land dramatically, the other wants to preserve it. Huge difference. 

    It’s the law and LURC regulations. 

  • Anonymous

    Because what Plum Creek wants to do is different than what RQ wants to do, or mostly not do. One want to alter the land dramatically, the other wants to preserve it. Huge difference. 

    It’s the law and LURC regulations. 

  • Anonymous

    Are Cecil Grey’s postings as bad as the federal government ewv? Do you think he is working in tandem with RESTORE to steal everyone’s land? We must remain calm. Let us think what can we do to stop this evil triumvirate and their land thieving machinations… I’ve got nothing ewv. Guess we will have to keep on posting.

  • Anonymous

    Are Cecil Grey’s postings as bad as the federal government ewv? Do you think he is working in tandem with RESTORE to steal everyone’s land? We must remain calm. Let us think what can we do to stop this evil triumvirate and their land thieving machinations… I’ve got nothing ewv. Guess we will have to keep on posting.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby has been collaborating with big shots in the park lobby nationally, and with officials in the National Park Service and the Interior Dept., for some time now. Obama appointed Quimby to the board of the government-created National Parks foundation to promote the National Park Service.  The Obama administration is filled with political appointees from the activist, national pressure groups for parks and wilderness, some of whom have been collaborating with state viro activists such as from the Natural Resources Council of Maine.  Some of these were inside the Baldacci administration where they were advancing plans for several million acres of government preservationism in conjunction with the Obama adminsitration’s national political initiatives.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby has been collaborating with big shots in the park lobby nationally, and with officials in the National Park Service and the Interior Dept., for some time now. Obama appointed Quimby to the board of the government-created National Parks foundation to promote the National Park Service.  The Obama administration is filled with political appointees from the activist, national pressure groups for parks and wilderness, some of whom have been collaborating with state viro activists such as from the Natural Resources Council of Maine.  Some of these were inside the Baldacci administration where they were advancing plans for several million acres of government preservationism in conjunction with the Obama adminsitration’s national political initiatives.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby has been collaborating with big shots in the park lobby nationally, and with officials in the National Park Service and the Interior Dept., for some time now. Obama appointed Quimby to the board of the government-created National Parks foundation to promote the National Park Service.  The Obama administration is filled with political appointees from the activist, national pressure groups for parks and wilderness, some of whom have been collaborating with state viro activists such as from the Natural Resources Council of Maine.  Some of these were inside the Baldacci administration where they were advancing plans for several million acres of government preservationism in conjunction with the Obama adminsitration’s national political initiatives.

  • Anonymous

    For “Acountian” as to how many of the homes on the Foxcroft Rd. Maliseet property are rented
    to non-Indians……none this is a Federal Indian Reservation any non-Indian is only a guest.  The Town of Houlton twice tried to seize our property and the US Courts set the record stright.

    as to the doings of other tribes I think you aught to get your facts in order you could not be more wrong. Besides my comments were directed about Ms quimby land and not what race lives on our property.

  • Anonymous

    “radical”  Ha, good one ………. U.S. National Parks are as unradical can be. Families camping and visiting some of America’s most beautiful natural spots. They are as American as apple pie, actully more, because they literally are America.  Get a clue.  Don’t be such a knee jerk reactionary. Think for yourself. Visit a park somewhere, see for yourself.

  • Diogenes

    “…the clubs have just been uniformly respectful of her and accommodating to her…”
     
    Respectful?  Accommodating?  You mean in how she lets you snowmobile on her private property?  How sweet of you! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Nice try EWV. Same as it ever was in the talking point mis definition of socialism. The industry saw the light many years ago and has moved on to other investment strategies. The conglomerates are trashing what is left in the name of cash flow. The Town Council is nursing a past long gone. You are an illusionist who shows his hole cards.

  • Anonymous

    You want the trail?……. then support the park proposal. If you don’t want the trail, then don’t support the park. What could be simpler.

  • Anonymous

    Pidgen Forge is there because that’s where Dolly Parton was born and has little to do with the GSNP. No connection. Just like there is no connection between mill jobs and jobs associated with a national park. You’re confused about what causes what.

  • AionNV

    It’s her land, use the trails you’re allowed to or use a trailer.

  • AionNV

    It’s deception on the part of the self proclaimed extremist conservatives.

    They don’t want jobs and industry that they can’t directly control/personally profit from.

  • AionNV

    It’s deception on the part of the self proclaimed extremist conservatives.

    They don’t want jobs and industry that they can’t directly control/personally profit from.

  • AionNV

    It’s deception on the part of the self proclaimed extremist conservatives.

    They don’t want jobs and industry that they can’t directly control/personally profit from.

  • Anonymous

    ‘cos it’s in an area that is especially important to the trail system?

  • AionNV

    Tell the whole truth, Yellowstone has only restricted the numbers allowed because of a dramatic INCREASE in the numbers of snowmobiles there.

    You should read up on the history of Yellowstone, obviously you are oblivious, the only reason this problem exists is because Yellowstone has been preserved in the first place.

    This is not the first time people have wanted restrictions on the numbers of snowmobiles in Yellowstone, when the air quality gets so bad that it impacts people’s health, there’s a problem.  Don’t pretend otherwise.

    You know even less about Yellowstone than you do about Maine. 

  • AionNV

    Are you sure you didn’t just describe your own agenda ?

  • AionNV

    Are you sure you didn’t just describe your own agenda ?

  • AionNV

    So ?

  • AionNV

    You’re lying.

  • AionNV

    You’re lying.

  • AionNV

    You’re lying.

  • Anonymous

    She or anyone else will look cute when it is 20 below zero standing guard to keep people out of the  north woods.  I Think we will find their is enough land in Maine so we don’t need hers and she can have her own privite woodland.

  • Anonymous

    The goverment is growing broke and there  sending people up here to listen to this bullcrap

  • http://www.facebook.com/Christopher.Blackwell1945 Christopher Blackwell

    Snowmobiling is okay if you don’t mind the noise.  Have to say it is her land and she has first say over how it is used. People would be a lot healthier if they gave up trying to drive everywhere and get off their butts, and there is nothing wrong giving the local animals their peace and quiet. Come to think of it a lot of people go to the wood to get away from all the noise of civilization. 

    As far as people who might lose money, since when was anyone in business guaranteed a profit no matter what. I run a small business and I know I was never guaranteed a profit for having a business.Bottom line mentality has caused more than a few disasters in this country, including the mess our economy is now in. Business people like to claim all the credit when the economy is healthy, but they never take any responsibility when their decisions  cause a bust. If they want the credit, then let them admit the blame when things go sour.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Christopher.Blackwell1945 Christopher Blackwell

    Snowmobiling is okay if you don’t mind the noise.  Have to say it is her land and she has first say over how it is used. People would be a lot healthier if they gave up trying to drive everywhere and get off their butts, and there is nothing wrong giving the local animals their peace and quiet. Come to think of it a lot of people go to the wood to get away from all the noise of civilization. 

    As far as people who might lose money, since when was anyone in business guaranteed a profit no matter what. I run a small business and I know I was never guaranteed a profit for having a business.Bottom line mentality has caused more than a few disasters in this country, including the mess our economy is now in. Business people like to claim all the credit when the economy is healthy, but they never take any responsibility when their decisions  cause a bust. If they want the credit, then let them admit the blame when things go sour.

  • Anonymous

    Houltonite, you can spin the story any way you want, but to quote Custer, where did all these people come from? The renters are about as Indian as I am (1/32, mother’s grandfather’s mother).

    So far as the rest of the tribes…? Who are they? I think there are 4 federally recognized tribe, 3 got land in the ’87 settlement. Some of the land is rented back to the forest companies who used them for years. Some of the blueberry ground Downeast is managed by native people, but they always sell their berries to the same packer every year.

    So do you have facts that say they don’t rent? Can you supply the names of tribal contractors who go out and cut and manage the forest? Do you think the Passamaquoddy travel to western Maine (where the treaty lands are) to cut, trap and fish? And I know the subject of non-natives renting is sensitive, but facts are facts. So while it is easy to tell somebody to get their facts right, let me see what your facts are.

  • Anonymous

     Thats funny! Read the story again, I would think you could figure it out.

  • Anonymous

     Thats funny! Read the story again, I would think you could figure it out.

  • Anonymous

     Thats funny! Read the story again, I would think you could figure it out.

  • Anonymous

     Thats funny! Read the story again, I would think you could figure it out.

  • Anonymous

     Thats funny! Read the story again, I would think you could figure it out.

  • Anonymous

     Thats funny! Read the story again, I would think you could figure it out.

  • Anonymous

     Thats funny! Read the story again, I would think you could figure it out.

  • Anonymous

    I wanted to write that! (Goes to the side and pouts.)
    Seriously, you have it correct, AionNV.
    I wanted to ask what is “progressively prohibited”. I think prohibition means none.  So progressively prohibited is like getting progressively pregnant.

  • Anonymous

    I wanted to write that! (Goes to the side and pouts.)
    Seriously, you have it correct, AionNV.
    I wanted to ask what is “progressively prohibited”. I think prohibition means none.  So progressively prohibited is like getting progressively pregnant.

  • Anonymous

    I wanted to write that! (Goes to the side and pouts.)
    Seriously, you have it correct, AionNV.
    I wanted to ask what is “progressively prohibited”. I think prohibition means none.  So progressively prohibited is like getting progressively pregnant.

  • Anonymous

    I wanted to write that! (Goes to the side and pouts.)
    Seriously, you have it correct, AionNV.
    I wanted to ask what is “progressively prohibited”. I think prohibition means none.  So progressively prohibited is like getting progressively pregnant.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right. I overgeneralized. I ride sled all the time, don’t hunt anymore but encourage others to. Not against hunting, fishing, trapping (although I gave up my trapping license when I went to college). I used too broad a brush in my post. 

  • Anonymous

    I believe he was referring to the State of Maine’s ocean.

  • Anonymous

    Walmart does not control the state.

    Quimby’s political ambition is to use the National Park Service to impose more Federal control in Maine.  She is playing her land and money as a means to buy government control and public policy for her own purpose. That is not a “gift”.  It’s the closest she can come to keeping control from the grave forever.  The National Park Service is her surrogate.
     

  • Anonymous

    What are you talking about?  Please tell me how you extrapolated your insult from what I said. 

    Better yet, try to contain your nasty streak and come up with genuinely good alternatives to things you don’t like.  
     
    If you don’t like what Quimby is proposing to do with her own land, what would you suggest?

    I’m suggesting democracy where we, the people, make the decisions that affect our lives. 

    Does that equate with us all sitting around watching tv and eating potato chips?   Don’t be foolish – you know better than that.

  • Anonymous

    bdneck in reply to ewv: “This isn’t true at all.  She is exerting HER private property rights and people don’t like it.  I don’t disagree with your view on her strict environmentalist perspective, but she does own this land and doesn’t have to justify her feeling about motorized recreation to anyone.”

    Quimby has a right to restrict use of her land as long as she owns it, however senseless and obnoxious her policies may be as she buys massive amounts of land for the express purpose of preventing human use in principle. 

    But you aren’t distinguishing between that and her political objectives with are fundamental to everything she is doing and which cannot be ignored: She is out to impose Federally enforced wilderness on millions of acres of private property. 

    She boasted from the beginning that she was buying massive amounts of land in order to flip it to the National Park Service and that her land is just a “seed” and a “down payment” towards millions of acres of other people’s private property being acquired by the National Park Service — because she doesn’t have the power or money to buy up all of it herself.  That is the context of the discussion that cannot be dropped.

    The National Park Service is not just another landowner, it is a Federal agency that imposes Federal control over the land and beyond, and eliminates forever property rights over the land it owns.  It is also exploited by the pressure groups to politically impose ever more of the expansion that they want and which ordinary people are much less able to defend against.

    That is a change in the form of government: elimination of rights on principle, imposition of top-down control eliminating local accountability of government, and imposition of a process of government expansion that is far more difficult to contend with.  Owning land does not give anyone the right to do that. 

    Quimby is playing her land and money as a means to buy government control and public policy for her own purpose. That is not a “gift”.  It’s the closest she can come to keeping control from the grave forever, of her land and much more.  The National Park Service is her surrogate.
     

  • Anonymous

     bdneck in reply to ewv: “I can name a couple rivers in Maine where public access is restricted by sporting camps.  Why aren’t people complaining about that?  Those are public rivers?  Why don’t we have access to them?”

    Because you don’t have a right to trespass on private property.  It is understandable when someone wants privacy or peace and quiet on their own land that they don’t allow public access.  But Quimby is deliberately buying up massive amounts of land, traditionally used for recreation, for the express purpose of preventing human use and in an attempt to obliterate private property rights in principle.  That is crazy and people have every right to denounce her for it, even though she has a right to lock up her land if she wants to as long as she owns it.

  • Anonymous

     bdneck in reply to ewv: “I can name a couple rivers in Maine where public access is restricted by sporting camps.  Why aren’t people complaining about that?  Those are public rivers?  Why don’t we have access to them?”

    Because you don’t have a right to trespass on private property.  It is understandable when someone wants privacy or peace and quiet on their own land that they don’t allow public access.  But Quimby is deliberately buying up massive amounts of land, traditionally used for recreation, for the express purpose of preventing human use and in an attempt to obliterate private property rights in principle.  That is crazy and people have every right to denounce her for it, even though she has a right to lock up her land if she wants to as long as she owns it.

  • Anonymous

     bdneck in reply to ewv: “That being said, you don’t have to agree with her to get what you want.  And to be fair to her, she has allowed these vehicles through her land even though she hates them.  She’s doing that because she can’t POLITICALLY do otherwise.

    She has deliberately shut down most of the access, and relented only partially for the reason you gave: “politically”.  She needs an appearance of public support to try to get the Federal takeover she wants.  Quimby, Restore and the rest of them want the National Park Service to ban the snowmobiles forever.  If  they were not to get that in the beginning of a National Park Service takeover they and the national park and wilderness pressure groups together with the National Park Service itself would continue to pressure for it until they did.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is just another arrogant liberal Perra. if this is approved, she will just keep on going on trying to add more land to this .she will never be satisfied. any business that wants to have this feasability study, deserves the Bad that will be coming their way.there is not enough attraction in this area, no national park has ever been a successful  year round economic boost.
    we already have baxter park. does anyone see an economic boom yet????? expanding a park will bring nothing buy further decline. wake up idiots!

  • Anonymous

    I have been fortunate to have lived long enough to have seen and enjoyed the Maine woods before and after snowmobiles and four-wheelers. I think I prefer the earlier version but the cork is out of the bottle… 

  • Anonymous

     bdneck in reply to ewv: “Just out of curiosity, is there a law that says snowmobiles and atv’s can’t access federal land?  If not,what makes you think it wouldn’t be better is the feds took the land over (which I don’t support)?

    Yes there are several laws; they do not apply uniformly to all Federal lands, but the trend has been towards ever more restrictions.  Any area targeted by the pressure groups is especially susceptible.

    The National Wilderness System, now over a hundred million acres nationally, prohibits roads and motorized vehicles of any kind.  They have even blocked access by helicopters trying to fight fires. 

    Such a Federal Wilderness designation requires Congressional authorization, so there are several other similar or equivalent designations.  This includes the power of the National Park Service to impose restrictions through its own management plans.  At Yellowstone, for example, snowmobiling has been under seige for years, clobbering the local towns. 

    The “Roadless Areas” in National Forests instigated by activists inside the Clinton/Gore administration was specifically devised to bypass the need for Congressional approval of Wilderness.  That device has since been expanded to all kinds of Federal lands within the last few years.  

    Salazar is being sued for his radical stance bypassing Congressional authorization and the House appropriations committee has been threatening to block funding to implement his rogue wilderness program.  But the park and wilderness pressure groups in Washington have enormous power and the trend is progressively worsening.  It has been easier for them to clamp down with restrictions in National Parks in comparison with most other areas, but new national legislation under Obama and other initiatives have been expanding preservationism in other Federal areas.  

    At the Rocky Mountain National Park, Obama’s Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009 swept up most of the park in Wilderness after a 30 year battle, prohibiting snowmobiling in all but a short section of the park.  This is especially relevant because Quimby brought a couple of wilderness lobbyists from there to Maine posing as “local” spokesmen on behalf of “the economy”.  (One of them, Judy Burke, was also appointed by Obama to the National Park Service Advisory Board.)

  • Anonymous

    fishing ?  Ha …. if the govm’nt did stock the rivers and lakes there wouldn’t be any fish, Mainers would have over fished it out long ago.  It’s what they do, kill every deer, catch every fish, cut every tree…..destroy ……. destroy…. destroy

  • Anonymous

    delusional …… find a good psychiatrist at once.

  • Anonymous

    delusional …… find a good psychiatrist at once.

  • Anonymous

    The source of “risk” in business in a free economy is not supposed to be from government restrictions and radical wilderness fanatics.  Blackwells’s  comment makes no more sense than Audubon Executive Director Ted Koffman saying that government seizure of control and devaluation of private property in takeovers like his ‘bird habitat’ scam when he ran the Natural Resources Committee is no different than the risk in any kind of investment like the stock market.  Yes he really said that.

  • Anonymous

    The source of “risk” in business in a free economy is not supposed to be from government restrictions and radical wilderness fanatics.  Blackwells’s  comment makes no more sense than Audubon Executive Director Ted Koffman saying that government seizure of control and devaluation of private property in takeovers like his ‘bird habitat’ scam when he ran the Natural Resources Committee is no different than the risk in any kind of investment like the stock market.  Yes he really said that.

  • Anonymous

    The source of “risk” in business in a free economy is not supposed to be from government restrictions and radical wilderness fanatics.  Blackwells’s  comment makes no more sense than Audubon Executive Director Ted Koffman saying that government seizure of control and devaluation of private property in takeovers like his ‘bird habitat’ scam when he ran the Natural Resources Committee is no different than the risk in any kind of investment like the stock market.  Yes he really said that.

  • Anonymous

    The source of “risk” in business in a free economy is not supposed to be from government restrictions and radical wilderness fanatics.  Blackwells’s  comment makes no more sense than Audubon Executive Director Ted Koffman saying that government seizure of control and devaluation of private property in takeovers like his ‘bird habitat’ scam when he ran the Natural Resources Committee is no different than the risk in any kind of investment like the stock market.  Yes he really said that.

  • Anonymous

    The source of “risk” in business in a free economy is not supposed to be from government restrictions and radical wilderness fanatics.  Blackwells’s  comment makes no more sense than Audubon Executive Director Ted Koffman saying that government seizure of control and devaluation of private property in takeovers like his ‘bird habitat’ scam when he ran the Natural Resources Committee is no different than the risk in any kind of investment like the stock market.  Yes he really said that.

  • Anonymous

     A “lot of people” don’t go to the woods at all.  Preservationists have no business telling other people how they should enjoy their lives in the name of “health” and “animals”.  That is not an excuse for a Federal takeover and Quimby does not have a “right” to buy government in the name of her “property rights”.

  • Anonymous

     A “lot of people” don’t go to the woods at all.  Preservationists have no business telling other people how they should enjoy their lives in the name of “health” and “animals”.  That is not an excuse for a Federal takeover and Quimby does not have a “right” to buy government in the name of her “property rights”.

  • Anonymous

    A lot of people prefer the snowmobiles. Some like both. Preference for walking long distances is not an excuse to impose a Federal takeover.

  • Anonymous

    A lot of people prefer the snowmobiles. Some like both. Preference for walking long distances is not an excuse to impose a Federal takeover.

  • Anonymous

    A lot of people prefer the snowmobiles. Some like both. Preference for walking long distances is not an excuse to impose a Federal takeover.

  • Anonymous

    I actually hope she doesn’t do this to another state.. and she can do whatever she wants with the 70k acres she has now.  There really is no point in trying to fight with her about that land, it won’t change anything.  What we DON’T want is for this land to become millions of acres, which it will if it becomes a national park.  Before we know it the North Maine Woods will no longer be. 

  • Anonymous

    70k acres isn’t the issue, that’s gone either way… it’s that it will turn into those millions of acres!

  • Anonymous

     The objection is to letting Quimby buy a “study” for a preconceived outcome from a Federal agency planning on its own behalf.  These constant insults from condescending progressives who claim to be “embarrassed” by “small minded” people “scared of information” are reprehensible.  This agenda for Federal control in a National Park Service takeover has been “studied” for decades since it was first promoted in a national campaign intended to steamroll the victims.  It has torn up the state for years at a time with one ‘utopian’ forced preservationist initiative after another.  Stop pretending that the objections stem from a ‘lack of information’.  It is not information you want, but power.

  • Anonymous

    every time i read an article about her i think ‘why does she keep going back for more abuse’ and then i realize what she created (her own company) and then i get it.  Whether one agrees the park idea or not, I give her a lot of respect for her tenacity, passion and courage. those are the same qualities she would have used to succeed in her business.

  • Anonymous

    This is another misrepresentation smearing people who don’t want to be subjected to Federal control, loss of private property rights and the very possibility of a productive private economy from preservationists who hate industry.  The preservationists are the ones who want social controls, that is why they have turned to the National Park Service.

  • Anonymous

    This is another misrepresentation smearing people who don’t want to be subjected to Federal control, loss of private property rights and the very possibility of a productive private economy from preservationists who hate industry.  The preservationists are the ones who want social controls, that is why they have turned to the National Park Service.

  • Anonymous

    This is another misrepresentation smearing people who don’t want to be subjected to Federal control, loss of private property rights and the very possibility of a productive private economy from preservationists who hate industry.  The preservationists are the ones who want social controls, that is why they have turned to the National Park Service.

  • Anonymous

    This is another misrepresentation smearing people who don’t want to be subjected to Federal control, loss of private property rights and the very possibility of a productive private economy from preservationists who hate industry.  The preservationists are the ones who want social controls, that is why they have turned to the National Park Service.

  • Anonymous

    except she wants us to pay for it !

  • Anonymous

    except she wants us to pay for it !

  • Anonymous

    That is a nonsensical statement that is the opposite of what I wrote.  It is Quimby who has embraced the Restore wilderness agenda for decades and who is now pretending it’s for “the economy”.

  • Anonymous

    i don’t know the law well enough to render an opinion on your comment re:  she has no right, but it seems to me she should be able to give the land to the park service if she wants to.  many people donate their land to conservancy for the tax benefit and for the peace of knowing their land will remain wild.  what confuses me, is why she even bothers to ask our opinions?  why doesn’t she just do it?

    i’m pretty sure that’s what will happen.  she will just turn around and give it the Nature Conservancy or a similar nonprofit to administer. 

  • Anonymous

    do you tell that to all Mainers who take advantage of the tree growth tax exception?

  • Anonymous

    do you tell that to all Mainers who take advantage of the tree growth tax exception?

  • Anonymous

    do you tell that to all Mainers who take advantage of the tree growth tax exception?

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who has followed this campaign for decades knows what they want and why it has been repeatedly rejected.  AionNV doesn’t want people to know that and doesn’t want people who haven’t experienced the power of the National Park Service to realize how bad it is.  He can only invoke libelous accusations to try to create a diversion and smear his victims.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who has followed this campaign for decades knows what they want and why it has been repeatedly rejected.  AionNV doesn’t want people to know that and doesn’t want people who haven’t experienced the power of the National Park Service to realize how bad it is.  He can only invoke libelous accusations to try to create a diversion and smear his victims.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who has followed this campaign for decades knows what they want and why it has been repeatedly rejected.  AionNV doesn’t want people to know that and doesn’t want people who haven’t experienced the power of the National Park Service to realize how bad it is.  He can only invoke libelous accusations to try to create a diversion and smear his victims.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who has followed this campaign for decades knows what they want and why it has been repeatedly rejected.  AionNV doesn’t want people to know that and doesn’t want people who haven’t experienced the power of the National Park Service to realize how bad it is.  He can only invoke libelous accusations to try to create a diversion and smear his victims.

  • Anonymous

     No one has a unilateral right to impose a more dictatorial form of government over a region, but the legal issue of her plan with the National Park Service in particular is that the National Park Service cannot start new parks on its own, they require Congressional authorization.  That is why she is pushing for New Area Study, which must also be authorized by Congress.

    She could give it to a non-profit like TNC if she wanted to.

  • Anonymous

     No one has a unilateral right to impose a more dictatorial form of government over a region, but the legal issue of her plan with the National Park Service in particular is that the National Park Service cannot start new parks on its own, they require Congressional authorization.  That is why she is pushing for New Area Study, which must also be authorized by Congress.

    She could give it to a non-profit like TNC if she wanted to.

  • Anonymous

     No one has a unilateral right to impose a more dictatorial form of government over a region, but the legal issue of her plan with the National Park Service in particular is that the National Park Service cannot start new parks on its own, they require Congressional authorization.  That is why she is pushing for New Area Study, which must also be authorized by Congress.

    She could give it to a non-profit like TNC if she wanted to.

  • Anonymous

     No one has a unilateral right to impose a more dictatorial form of government over a region, but the legal issue of her plan with the National Park Service in particular is that the National Park Service cannot start new parks on its own, they require Congressional authorization.  That is why she is pushing for New Area Study, which must also be authorized by Congress.

    She could give it to a non-profit like TNC if she wanted to.

  • Anonymous

     No one has a unilateral right to impose a more dictatorial form of government over a region, but the legal issue of her plan with the National Park Service in particular is that the National Park Service cannot start new parks on its own, they require Congressional authorization.  That is why she is pushing for New Area Study, which must also be authorized by Congress.

    She could give it to a non-profit like TNC if she wanted to.

  • Anonymous

     No one has a unilateral right to impose a more dictatorial form of government over a region, but the legal issue of her plan with the National Park Service in particular is that the National Park Service cannot start new parks on its own, they require Congressional authorization.  That is why she is pushing for New Area Study, which must also be authorized by Congress.

    She could give it to a non-profit like TNC if she wanted to.

  • Anonymous

     No one has a unilateral right to impose a more dictatorial form of government over a region, but the legal issue of her plan with the National Park Service in particular is that the National Park Service cannot start new parks on its own, they require Congressional authorization.  That is why she is pushing for New Area Study, which must also be authorized by Congress.

    She could give it to a non-profit like TNC if she wanted to.

  • Anonymous

     No one has a unilateral right to impose a more dictatorial form of government over a region, but the legal issue of her plan with the National Park Service in particular is that the National Park Service cannot start new parks on its own, they require Congressional authorization.  That is why she is pushing for New Area Study, which must also be authorized by Congress.

    She could give it to a non-profit like TNC if she wanted to.

  • Anonymous

    I think a couple hundred windmills on that land would be the best… Green Power for all the huggers.. Just imagine how awsome it would look from The Lookout!  lol 

  • Anonymous

    i see.  thank you.

  • Anonymous

    i see.  thank you.

  • Anonymous

    The basis of our political system is not voting on everything that affects our lives.  We are supposed to have guaranteed rights and freedoms, and no one — either unilaterally as Quimby has tried to do, or by ‘voting’ with a big enough group to overwhelm a minority — has a moral right to change the form of government towards more dictatorial power as Federal control does.  Ultimately, the mechanism of voting determines the outcome under representative government, but it can be misused to trample people’s rights.

    There are endless possibilities in a free society for what Quimby might do with her land, with no ones approval required whether others like it or not, and several have been suggested, but she does not have the right to buy the imposition of Federal control by “giving” land to the National Park Service.

  • Anonymous

    Opposing the Quimby/Restore/NPCA agenda for a Federal wilderness takeover does not mean that anyone should be able to drive off the road into the woods anywhere he wants or that there should be no ‘peace and quiet’.  There are over 100 million acres of Federal wilderness in this country, plus all the new clones bypassing Congressional authorization, where roads are not permitted. That is on behalf of a relative handful of elitists who are able to and have the time to walk into it — or who just want to imagine it — at the expense of everyone else and the economy. Yes that is arrogant.  But the original comment I responded to was the sneering, condescending preservationist who wrote “Gas-guzzling noise-spreading  snowgoers would rather trample the wilds than preserve them.  Who’d a thought?”

    The National Park takeover activists have been trying to take millions of acres of private property across Maine for decades as a high priority strategic campaign. They tried initially to get it all at once through a sudden,  massive campaign in the media and Congress, and having failed then reverted to the usual incremental approach, of which Quimby’s plan is part.  That is the height of arrogance and there is no excuse for any of it.

  • Anonymous

    Opposing the Quimby/Restore/NPCA agenda for a Federal wilderness takeover does not mean that anyone should be able to drive off the road into the woods anywhere he wants or that there should be no ‘peace and quiet’.  There are over 100 million acres of Federal wilderness in this country, plus all the new clones bypassing Congressional authorization, where roads are not permitted. That is on behalf of a relative handful of elitists who are able to and have the time to walk into it — or who just want to imagine it — at the expense of everyone else and the economy. Yes that is arrogant.  But the original comment I responded to was the sneering, condescending preservationist who wrote “Gas-guzzling noise-spreading  snowgoers would rather trample the wilds than preserve them.  Who’d a thought?”

    The National Park takeover activists have been trying to take millions of acres of private property across Maine for decades as a high priority strategic campaign. They tried initially to get it all at once through a sudden,  massive campaign in the media and Congress, and having failed then reverted to the usual incremental approach, of which Quimby’s plan is part.  That is the height of arrogance and there is no excuse for any of it.

  • Anonymous

    Opposing the Quimby/Restore/NPCA agenda for a Federal wilderness takeover does not mean that anyone should be able to drive off the road into the woods anywhere he wants or that there should be no ‘peace and quiet’.  There are over 100 million acres of Federal wilderness in this country, plus all the new clones bypassing Congressional authorization, where roads are not permitted. That is on behalf of a relative handful of elitists who are able to and have the time to walk into it — or who just want to imagine it — at the expense of everyone else and the economy. Yes that is arrogant.  But the original comment I responded to was the sneering, condescending preservationist who wrote “Gas-guzzling noise-spreading  snowgoers would rather trample the wilds than preserve them.  Who’d a thought?”

    The National Park takeover activists have been trying to take millions of acres of private property across Maine for decades as a high priority strategic campaign. They tried initially to get it all at once through a sudden,  massive campaign in the media and Congress, and having failed then reverted to the usual incremental approach, of which Quimby’s plan is part.  That is the height of arrogance and there is no excuse for any of it.

  • Anonymous

    Opposing the Quimby/Restore/NPCA agenda for a Federal wilderness takeover does not mean that anyone should be able to drive off the road into the woods anywhere he wants or that there should be no ‘peace and quiet’.  There are over 100 million acres of Federal wilderness in this country, plus all the new clones bypassing Congressional authorization, where roads are not permitted. That is on behalf of a relative handful of elitists who are able to and have the time to walk into it — or who just want to imagine it — at the expense of everyone else and the economy. Yes that is arrogant.  But the original comment I responded to was the sneering, condescending preservationist who wrote “Gas-guzzling noise-spreading  snowgoers would rather trample the wilds than preserve them.  Who’d a thought?”

    The National Park takeover activists have been trying to take millions of acres of private property across Maine for decades as a high priority strategic campaign. They tried initially to get it all at once through a sudden,  massive campaign in the media and Congress, and having failed then reverted to the usual incremental approach, of which Quimby’s plan is part.  That is the height of arrogance and there is no excuse for any of it.

  • Anonymous

    Opposing the Quimby/Restore/NPCA agenda for a Federal wilderness takeover does not mean that anyone should be able to drive off the road into the woods anywhere he wants or that there should be no ‘peace and quiet’.  There are over 100 million acres of Federal wilderness in this country, plus all the new clones bypassing Congressional authorization, where roads are not permitted. That is on behalf of a relative handful of elitists who are able to and have the time to walk into it — or who just want to imagine it — at the expense of everyone else and the economy. Yes that is arrogant.  But the original comment I responded to was the sneering, condescending preservationist who wrote “Gas-guzzling noise-spreading  snowgoers would rather trample the wilds than preserve them.  Who’d a thought?”

    The National Park takeover activists have been trying to take millions of acres of private property across Maine for decades as a high priority strategic campaign. They tried initially to get it all at once through a sudden,  massive campaign in the media and Congress, and having failed then reverted to the usual incremental approach, of which Quimby’s plan is part.  That is the height of arrogance and there is no excuse for any of it.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is trying to buy government control by playing her land and a lot of money as a “gift” the National Park Service in order to bring in a Federal presence, which is then planned to expand in the agenda for millions of acres.  She wants to permanently obliterate private property rights throughout that region by means of the Federal takeover.

    The abusive treatment of people by the National Park Service arrogantly exercising its top down dictatorial power all over the country for the last century is morally reprehensible.  Moral people do not “decompose a few for the good of the many”.  That is cannibalistic collectivism illustrated by the National Park Service to the hilt at Cuyahoga in the PBS Frontlines documentary For the Good of All

    The National Park Service has done this all over the country, and exhibits the same arrogant, dictatorial mentality all over the place.  All that is unique about Cuyahoga is that it was caught on film by documentarians.  I have personally seen first hand their mentality of raw power trampling people’s rights for an alleged ‘higher cause’ in both the National park Service and its pressure groups.  It is sickening and disgusting.  Moral revulsion in response is not “paranoia”.  No one, especially in this country, should ever have to go through that.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is trying to buy government control by playing her land and a lot of money as a “gift” the National Park Service in order to bring in a Federal presence, which is then planned to expand in the agenda for millions of acres.  She wants to permanently obliterate private property rights throughout that region by means of the Federal takeover.

    The abusive treatment of people by the National Park Service arrogantly exercising its top down dictatorial power all over the country for the last century is morally reprehensible.  Moral people do not “decompose a few for the good of the many”.  That is cannibalistic collectivism illustrated by the National Park Service to the hilt at Cuyahoga in the PBS Frontlines documentary For the Good of All

    The National Park Service has done this all over the country, and exhibits the same arrogant, dictatorial mentality all over the place.  All that is unique about Cuyahoga is that it was caught on film by documentarians.  I have personally seen first hand their mentality of raw power trampling people’s rights for an alleged ‘higher cause’ in both the National park Service and its pressure groups.  It is sickening and disgusting.  Moral revulsion in response is not “paranoia”.  No one, especially in this country, should ever have to go through that.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is trying to buy government control by playing her land and a lot of money as a “gift” the National Park Service in order to bring in a Federal presence, which is then planned to expand in the agenda for millions of acres.  She wants to permanently obliterate private property rights throughout that region by means of the Federal takeover.

    The abusive treatment of people by the National Park Service arrogantly exercising its top down dictatorial power all over the country for the last century is morally reprehensible.  Moral people do not “decompose a few for the good of the many”.  That is cannibalistic collectivism illustrated by the National Park Service to the hilt at Cuyahoga in the PBS Frontlines documentary For the Good of All

    The National Park Service has done this all over the country, and exhibits the same arrogant, dictatorial mentality all over the place.  All that is unique about Cuyahoga is that it was caught on film by documentarians.  I have personally seen first hand their mentality of raw power trampling people’s rights for an alleged ‘higher cause’ in both the National park Service and its pressure groups.  It is sickening and disgusting.  Moral revulsion in response is not “paranoia”.  No one, especially in this country, should ever have to go through that.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is trying to buy government control by playing her land and a lot of money as a “gift” the National Park Service in order to bring in a Federal presence, which is then planned to expand in the agenda for millions of acres.  She wants to permanently obliterate private property rights throughout that region by means of the Federal takeover.

    The abusive treatment of people by the National Park Service arrogantly exercising its top down dictatorial power all over the country for the last century is morally reprehensible.  Moral people do not “decompose a few for the good of the many”.  That is cannibalistic collectivism illustrated by the National Park Service to the hilt at Cuyahoga in the PBS Frontlines documentary For the Good of All

    The National Park Service has done this all over the country, and exhibits the same arrogant, dictatorial mentality all over the place.  All that is unique about Cuyahoga is that it was caught on film by documentarians.  I have personally seen first hand their mentality of raw power trampling people’s rights for an alleged ‘higher cause’ in both the National park Service and its pressure groups.  It is sickening and disgusting.  Moral revulsion in response is not “paranoia”.  No one, especially in this country, should ever have to go through that.

  • Anonymous

    Local controversy over that has been raging for years.  The apologists for the National Park Service don’t want people to know that.

  • Anonymous

    The sneering sarcasm by apologists for Federal control wrecking people’s lives is morally reprehensible.

  • Anonymous

    The National Park Service did not create the local economy.  When the “wealthy rusticators” started buying up the land in the late 1800s to preserve their view there was a typical rural fishing economy.  In the 21st century more is possible than was in the 1800s.  The National Park Service did not create that.  The major tourist “draw” at Acadia is Cadillac Mountain looking out over the ocean.  The rest of the southern coast does not need the National Park Service either.

    One of the suposed “benefits” of the wealthy preservationists controlling Mt. Desert was the prohibition on roads with automobiles at the time — when the island burned in the 1940s and the “rusticators” lost their mansions there were no fire trucks to fight the fire.
     

  • Anonymous

    Quimby does not represent “middle class families”.  She wants Federally imposed wilderness and “ecosystem restoration”. She represents 60s counter culture radical politics and the anti-industrial revolution.  She hates industry and she hates private property rights.

    This is what Quimby says: “To me, ownership and private property were the beginning of the end in this country. Once the Europeans came in, drawing lines and dividing things up, things started getting exploited and overconsumed. But a park takes away the whole issue of ownership. It’s off the table; we all own it and we all share it. It’s so democratic.

    The NPCA/Restore agenda for a National Park Service takeover of millions of acres of private property in Maine as a strategic “top priority” in the “National Park System Plan” is indeed “radical”.

     

  • Anonymous

    Cecil Gray has frequently revealed himself as a radical progressive socialist and preservationist.  He continues to trash industry and continues to evade that pressure groups like the Natural Resources Council of Maine and supporters of Restore hate industry and have been doing everything they can to get rid of it. They want wilderness, not an economy.  They want the land, millions of acres, and have said so repeatedly.

  • yowsayowsa1

     If it’s possible, it will be done.

     Have you EVER seen a buraucracy that didn’t want to add to it’s power base?

  • yowsayowsa1

     If it’s possible, it will be done.

     Have you EVER seen a buraucracy that didn’t want to add to it’s power base?

  • Anonymous

    The battle over restrictions on snowmobiles at Yellowstone has raged for years. The preservationists and the National Park Service are doing everything they can to suppress and eliminate them.  This has nothing to do with “air quality” and “health”.  The preservationists hate snowmobiles and want to get rid of them, using any excuse they can.

    Temporary relative increases in snowmobile use followed the National Park Service being politically forced to pull back earlier restrictions because the controversy became national.   Rational people do not willingly submit themselves to this kind of power politics in which they are constantly up against overwhelming power.  The park lobby doesn’t tell you this now because they are trying to sell a new Federal takeover.  Once in power they take what they can.

    We saw the same thing in Maine when they went after the Saddleback Ski Area because wilderness hikers could “see” the ski trails from the National Park Service’s Appalachian Trail.  They want the whole mountain and weren’t bashful about pushing for it.  Now they try to pretend to be for “the economy” and hope you don’t remember that.

  • Anonymous

    The battle over restrictions on snowmobiles at Yellowstone has raged for years. The preservationists and the National Park Service are doing everything they can to suppress and eliminate them.  This has nothing to do with “air quality” and “health”.  The preservationists hate snowmobiles and want to get rid of them, using any excuse they can.

    Temporary relative increases in snowmobile use followed the National Park Service being politically forced to pull back earlier restrictions because the controversy became national.   Rational people do not willingly submit themselves to this kind of power politics in which they are constantly up against overwhelming power.  The park lobby doesn’t tell you this now because they are trying to sell a new Federal takeover.  Once in power they take what they can.

    We saw the same thing in Maine when they went after the Saddleback Ski Area because wilderness hikers could “see” the ski trails from the National Park Service’s Appalachian Trail.  They want the whole mountain and weren’t bashful about pushing for it.  Now they try to pretend to be for “the economy” and hope you don’t remember that.

  • Anonymous

    Progressive prohibitions means imposing more and more prohibitions over time.  That is what progressives do.  It means progressive imposition of more and more controls, not “progress”

  • Anonymous

    Progressive prohibitions means imposing more and more prohibitions over time.  That is what progressives do.  It means progressive imposition of more and more controls, not “progress”

  • Anonymous

    I kinda take offense for I am a Republican ‘redneck”.  I no longer own a snowmobile.  I snowshoe, hike, hunt, fish, kayak, canoe, camp, cross country ski and do photographyy.  I think we need to diversify our economy.  I have no problem with doing a study on the viability of a national park.  so, please don’t lump all conservatives into one basket. 

  • Anonymous

    Hassenpheffer is a self-styled ‘moderate’ and ‘pragmatist’. 

    That is an approach that ignores that a National Park Service “study” for a New Area is a political planning and promotional device to give momentum to a preconceived conclusion by a Federal agency seeking expansion of its power and scope, and that government “wilderness” imagined to provide money as a substitute for a private economy is worse than wishful thinking.

    “Pragmatism” is unprincipled on principle, learning nothing from past experience and insisting on starting from scratch on variations of the same fallacies in the name of having an “open mind”, i.e., a passive mind ready to be fed anything without regard to previous knowledge.  There is a long history of this philosophy and its relation to the progressive movement beginning in the late 19th century and leading to progressively more statist controls in the name of anything that allegedly “works” by whatever standard one desires.
     

  • Anonymous

    leave me alone

  • Anonymous

    “……..we all own it we all share it, it’s democratic.”  Yes that’s what a national park is, a place where the average joe without millions to buy one of Plum Creek’s estates to enjoy the wilderness. I’ve been to 50 NPs in the past 65 years and they’re great. Without parks no one would be going to the top of Katahdin or Cadillac mts. ….. they would be in the hands of private property owners cowering in the face of insurance companies and fenced off to all.  

    People hate industry because industry hates people. They only care about consumers dollars and treat workers like desposable parts. Look no farther than the paper mills in Millinocket. Do those owners care about the people of Millinocket? No because if they did they’d open the mills. They only care about the bottom line.

    On the other hand National Parks are there for the people, open so people can use them and have a good time.  God created the land, not corporations.

  • Anonymous

    “……..we all own it we all share it, it’s democratic.”  Yes that’s what a national park is, a place where the average joe without millions to buy one of Plum Creek’s estates to enjoy the wilderness. I’ve been to 50 NPs in the past 65 years and they’re great. Without parks no one would be going to the top of Katahdin or Cadillac mts. ….. they would be in the hands of private property owners cowering in the face of insurance companies and fenced off to all.  

    People hate industry because industry hates people. They only care about consumers dollars and treat workers like desposable parts. Look no farther than the paper mills in Millinocket. Do those owners care about the people of Millinocket? No because if they did they’d open the mills. They only care about the bottom line.

    On the other hand National Parks are there for the people, open so people can use them and have a good time.  God created the land, not corporations.

  • Anonymous

    “……..we all own it we all share it, it’s democratic.”  Yes that’s what a national park is, a place where the average joe without millions to buy one of Plum Creek’s estates to enjoy the wilderness. I’ve been to 50 NPs in the past 65 years and they’re great. Without parks no one would be going to the top of Katahdin or Cadillac mts. ….. they would be in the hands of private property owners cowering in the face of insurance companies and fenced off to all.  

    People hate industry because industry hates people. They only care about consumers dollars and treat workers like desposable parts. Look no farther than the paper mills in Millinocket. Do those owners care about the people of Millinocket? No because if they did they’d open the mills. They only care about the bottom line.

    On the other hand National Parks are there for the people, open so people can use them and have a good time.  God created the land, not corporations.

  • Anonymous

    “……..we all own it we all share it, it’s democratic.”  Yes that’s what a national park is, a place where the average joe without millions to buy one of Plum Creek’s estates to enjoy the wilderness. I’ve been to 50 NPs in the past 65 years and they’re great. Without parks no one would be going to the top of Katahdin or Cadillac mts. ….. they would be in the hands of private property owners cowering in the face of insurance companies and fenced off to all.  

    People hate industry because industry hates people. They only care about consumers dollars and treat workers like desposable parts. Look no farther than the paper mills in Millinocket. Do those owners care about the people of Millinocket? No because if they did they’d open the mills. They only care about the bottom line.

    On the other hand National Parks are there for the people, open so people can use them and have a good time.  God created the land, not corporations.

  • Anonymous

    “……..we all own it we all share it, it’s democratic.”  Yes that’s what a national park is, a place where the average joe without millions to buy one of Plum Creek’s estates to enjoy the wilderness. I’ve been to 50 NPs in the past 65 years and they’re great. Without parks no one would be going to the top of Katahdin or Cadillac mts. ….. they would be in the hands of private property owners cowering in the face of insurance companies and fenced off to all.  

    People hate industry because industry hates people. They only care about consumers dollars and treat workers like desposable parts. Look no farther than the paper mills in Millinocket. Do those owners care about the people of Millinocket? No because if they did they’d open the mills. They only care about the bottom line.

    On the other hand National Parks are there for the people, open so people can use them and have a good time.  God created the land, not corporations.

  • Anonymous

    “……..we all own it we all share it, it’s democratic.”  Yes that’s what a national park is, a place where the average joe without millions to buy one of Plum Creek’s estates to enjoy the wilderness. I’ve been to 50 NPs in the past 65 years and they’re great. Without parks no one would be going to the top of Katahdin or Cadillac mts. ….. they would be in the hands of private property owners cowering in the face of insurance companies and fenced off to all.  

    People hate industry because industry hates people. They only care about consumers dollars and treat workers like desposable parts. Look no farther than the paper mills in Millinocket. Do those owners care about the people of Millinocket? No because if they did they’d open the mills. They only care about the bottom line.

    On the other hand National Parks are there for the people, open so people can use them and have a good time.  God created the land, not corporations.

  • yowsayowsa1

    “The Commons, that which is “owned” by all and needed for us to exist – the air, water, woods, land, should be managed publicly so that citizens have a real voice in decision-making regarding their use.”

     Your socialist agenda is showing!

     That might fly down in Unity at your social justice issues tent, but in the real world, it’s just another nutcase spewing the normal pre-composted manure.

  • Anonymous

    ewv, I am glad Cecil Gray was on the message boardand  not anywhere near you in actuality. You sounded as if you would chase him around with a clever if he had been. When you declared him a socialist I could really see you were fuming. Calm down, really I am not saying this to be condescending. What we write on the BDN message board really doesn’t mean much. It is just us getting up on a soap box. I’m sure this section is almost already done for so no one is reading this now.

  • Anonymous

    Your comment is exactly the type of exploitative and browbeating type of approach that environmentalists would scream about from the mountaintops if a developer said, “you want a national park? Let me develop 1,000 acres next to it.” but somehow when environmentalists do it to snowmobilers, its okay. IOKIYAAE

  • Anonymous

    Your comment is exactly the type of exploitative and browbeating type of approach that environmentalists would scream about from the mountaintops if a developer said, “you want a national park? Let me develop 1,000 acres next to it.” but somehow when environmentalists do it to snowmobilers, its okay. IOKIYAAE

  • Anonymous

    Your comment is exactly the type of exploitative and browbeating type of approach that environmentalists would scream about from the mountaintops if a developer said, “you want a national park? Let me develop 1,000 acres next to it.” but somehow when environmentalists do it to snowmobilers, its okay. IOKIYAAE

  • Anonymous

    Your comment is exactly the type of exploitative and browbeating type of approach that environmentalists would scream about from the mountaintops if a developer said, “you want a national park? Let me develop 1,000 acres next to it.” but somehow when environmentalists do it to snowmobilers, its okay. IOKIYAAE

  • Anonymous

    Your comment is exactly the type of exploitative and browbeating type of approach that environmentalists would scream about from the mountaintops if a developer said, “you want a national park? Let me develop 1,000 acres next to it.” but somehow when environmentalists do it to snowmobilers, its okay. IOKIYAAE

  • Anonymous

    I find your comments paranoid in the extreme. I have no great faith in big G government, but I know a lot about the National Park Service and I think “cannibalistic collectivism” is really over the top. If you want to think abuot it this way: the NPS is preserving lands IN SPITE of what some surrounding landowners want, you can think of it that way. I am fine with it if that’s the case.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t get your point. I am talking about now, not in the past. BTW the fishing industry in MDI was not tremendously significant at the time you mention…it was subsistance fishing for the most part. The point for me is now there ARE firetrucks and a lot of other things: an excellent hospital and a thriving economic community the direct result of the attraction of Acadia, not just Cadillac, by the way, but the whole park.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t get your point. I am talking about now, not in the past. BTW the fishing industry in MDI was not tremendously significant at the time you mention…it was subsistance fishing for the most part. The point for me is now there ARE firetrucks and a lot of other things: an excellent hospital and a thriving economic community the direct result of the attraction of Acadia, not just Cadillac, by the way, but the whole park.

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  • Anonymous

    Not the same. In this case snowmobilers want access to land THEY DON’T OWN !!!  Get it, they want a favor.  Your example makes little sense because you’re talking about two separate pieces of property (i guess). 

    Actually, it’s Plum Creek that uses this tactic. They say: give us the 500 house lots and we’ll put so much acerage into a conservation easements etc, EXCEPT, we still get to clear cut all the trees. 

    Quimby is saying the same thing: support the park and you can ride on the Allen’s Coffee Brandy Guzzelers Trail all you want.

  • Anonymous

    Our tax follars already pay for the roads we ride on (socialism at work) and will pay for your snowmobile playground if you support the park.

  • Anonymous

    That’s pretty much true.  Our overall wealth and the contribution of the combustion engine had a huge part to do with people enjoying wilderness.   But I’m done arguing with the likes of you.  There is no middle ground, only your far fetched ideals are acceptable and must be lived by all.

  • Anonymous

    “Chainsaws make you chubby.” Clearly you’ve never hefted one for a days labor of logging, nore an axe. Keep posting. With each comment it further proves to those of us who “exist in the woods” that you have absolutely no clue what you spew your rhetoric about.  Armchair environmentalist.  You’d find our love for that which surrounds us would have more in common than you thinkg….if you took the time and hopped down off your high horse.

  • Anonymous

    Ybrads’ call to “decompose a few for the good of the many” is in fact cannibalistic collectivism.  It is morally reprehensible.  He acknowledged himself, “That’s probably going to be interpreted as a socialistic statement and I guess it is…”  The rest of us don’t have to “guess”.

    It is illustrated in practice by what the National Park Service has arrogantly done to people pushing them around with Kelo style condemnations all over the country, as illustrated by the documentary For the Good of All http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm  If you want to see in practice what the park pressure groups’ mentality of “decomposing the few” means, watch that documentary.  They mean it.

    Ybrads openly wants more of this: “We should be doing everything in our power to preserve and expand them.”  That means seizing more private property and forcibly removing more people.

    Now he openly adds “NPS is preserving lands IN SPITE of what some surrounding landowners want” — which means it is seizing other people’s property in spite of their property rights to their own property.

    This is what the National Park System Plan targeting millions of acres in Maine aims to  do to more and more people, including in Maine which is targeted as a strategic “top priority”.  It is what it means for the National Park Service to impose its top-down authority from Washington on behalf of what they call “nationally significant”, which inherently excludes accountability to local people and the rights of individuals.

    Decent people have had more than enough of forced human sacrifice from the National Park Service and its pressure groups. Normal people can enjoy scenery without going berserk with forced population removal under dictatorial powers.  These activists are crazy, but they have a lot of power and money behind them.

    Ybrads’ self-revealing comments are representative of the mentality of the National Park Service and its pressure groups, which I have. been subjected to and seen many times.  They are dangerous and disgusting, and so are there arrogant smears of their victims, calling them “paranoid” for not going quietly.

  • Anonymous

    Ybrads’ call to “decompose a few for the good of the many” is in fact cannibalistic collectivism.  It is morally reprehensible.  He acknowledged himself, “That’s probably going to be interpreted as a socialistic statement and I guess it is…”  The rest of us don’t have to “guess”.

    It is illustrated in practice by what the National Park Service has arrogantly done to people pushing them around with Kelo style condemnations all over the country, as illustrated by the documentary For the Good of All http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm  If you want to see in practice what the park pressure groups’ mentality of “decomposing the few” means, watch that documentary.  They mean it.

    Ybrads openly wants more of this: “We should be doing everything in our power to preserve and expand them.”  That means seizing more private property and forcibly removing more people.

    Now he openly adds “NPS is preserving lands IN SPITE of what some surrounding landowners want” — which means it is seizing other people’s property in spite of their property rights to their own property.

    This is what the National Park System Plan targeting millions of acres in Maine aims to  do to more and more people, including in Maine which is targeted as a strategic “top priority”.  It is what it means for the National Park Service to impose its top-down authority from Washington on behalf of what they call “nationally significant”, which inherently excludes accountability to local people and the rights of individuals.

    Decent people have had more than enough of forced human sacrifice from the National Park Service and its pressure groups. Normal people can enjoy scenery without going berserk with forced population removal under dictatorial powers.  These activists are crazy, but they have a lot of power and money behind them.

    Ybrads’ self-revealing comments are representative of the mentality of the National Park Service and its pressure groups, which I have. been subjected to and seen many times.  They are dangerous and disgusting, and so are there arrogant smears of their victims, calling them “paranoid” for not going quietly.

  • Anonymous

    Ah yes, the ole print the money we aint got  trick ROFLMBO!! Sorry, aint falling for it ! Besides she already kicked us off her land twice,the only people ALLOWED ON HER LAND ARE FORMER STATE OFFICIALS WHO ARE ARE PAID OFF BY HER AND CAN STAY AT LUNKSOOS WHICH I HAVE SLEDDED RIGHT BY ,AND TRAVEL IN AND OUT ON ATV,S TO FISH .THE REST OF US?NO WAY ! Not yelling too lazy to change the caps !

  • Anonymous

    You’re right. You can, but most do not have the time or ability to do such a thing.  Should those people’s ability to see things be less important than anothers because you don’t like snowsleds?  I would support that if people were found off of a designated trail within a park boundary that they be fined. That is reasonable. That type of policy would not make me favor the park however. I do not support the park whatsoever.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is opposed to private property on principle.  This is her full statement: “To me, ownership and private property were the beginning of the end in this country. Once the Europeans came in, drawing lines and dividing things up, things started getting exploited and overconsumed. But a park takes away the whole issue of ownership. It’s off the table; we all own it and we all share it. It’s so democratic.”  Quimby and Restore want to impose this over tens of millions of acres. 

    “Treehugger9″ is an open apologist for this anti-private property mentality.  He has revealed his statism and eco-socialism in comments on many different articles on the web, sneering with envy and resentment and misrepresenting private ownership, “the rich” and “industry”, all of which he hates.  He even denounces “the mills” for not engaging in the impossibility of running at a loss.  Only the socialist mindset could come up with that one.   There is no effortless Garden of Eden eco-socialist utopia in which people passively wander around in scenery.  The nature worshiping anti-industrial revolutionaries trying to forcibly impose it are destructive and dangerous. 

  • Anonymous

    Plum Creek has been subjected to land exactions through extortion, not buying the right it already has to develop on its own land.

    Quimby is deliberately buying up massive amounts of land to throw people off it and prevent human use in perpetuity.  She is throwing her money around through her “gifts” trying to buy government control and public policy to impose her fanatical wilderness eco-restoration across millions of acres.

  • Anonymous

    Ybrad was not talking about “now” when he referred to “the history” and comparison with “before the park”.  The National Park Service did not create the modern economy.  The primary draw for tourists at Acadia is Cadillac Mountain overlooking the ocean even though they use other areas of the park.  The National Park Service did not create that either.

    The original conception of preserving the mountain and other features had nothing to do with the National Park Service or the Federal government.  The wealthy land trust intended to keep the land.  They only went to the Federal government decades later because they had so abused the local people by pushing them around (including eminent domain) that they were afraid of losing their state charter. The history of Acadia is indeed interesting and revealing.  The notion that it was “gift to the nation” is a myth.

  • Anonymous

    Lepageman is psychologizing, projecting in his imagination what he subjectively thinks ‘must’ be the state of mind and actions  of other people he knows nothing about — he even claims to “see fuming”.

    Cecil Gray has in fact revealed his socialist ideology many times in comments following articles.  “Socialist” and “statist” are identifications in terms of concepts of political philosophy, not “chasing with a clever”.  His demands for a Federal park takeover with its top-down control are related to his statist ideology.

    Cecil Gray does in fact employ sneering sarcasm, is in fact an apologist for National Park Service abuse,  and repeatedly smears the victims of it and those who morally object to the abuse as “paranoid”.  That is in fact morally reprehensible and has nothing to do with alleged “fuming” or imagined “chasing with a clever”.

  • Anonymous

    Lepageman is psychologizing, projecting in his imagination what he subjectively thinks ‘must’ be the state of mind and actions  of other people he knows nothing about — he even claims to “see fuming”.

    Cecil Gray has in fact revealed his socialist ideology many times in comments following articles.  “Socialist” and “statist” are identifications in terms of concepts of political philosophy, not “chasing with a clever”.  His demands for a Federal park takeover with its top-down control are related to his statist ideology.

    Cecil Gray does in fact employ sneering sarcasm, is in fact an apologist for National Park Service abuse,  and repeatedly smears the victims of it and those who morally object to the abuse as “paranoid”.  That is in fact morally reprehensible and has nothing to do with alleged “fuming” or imagined “chasing with a clever”.

  • Anonymous

    Lepageman is psychologizing, projecting in his imagination what he subjectively thinks ‘must’ be the state of mind and actions  of other people he knows nothing about — he even claims to “see fuming”.

    Cecil Gray has in fact revealed his socialist ideology many times in comments following articles.  “Socialist” and “statist” are identifications in terms of concepts of political philosophy, not “chasing with a clever”.  His demands for a Federal park takeover with its top-down control are related to his statist ideology.

    Cecil Gray does in fact employ sneering sarcasm, is in fact an apologist for National Park Service abuse,  and repeatedly smears the victims of it and those who morally object to the abuse as “paranoid”.  That is in fact morally reprehensible and has nothing to do with alleged “fuming” or imagined “chasing with a clever”.

  • Anonymous

    I really wasn’t trying to be mean or make fun of you with that last post. No one is reading this anymore and I was being frank. You really seemed to be getting really uptight. Sorry I was trying to talk to you as a human being. I apologize and won’t make that mistake again.

  • Anonymous

    Sheesh. You refuse to get my point. It doesn’t mattr now how the park was created or why. My point is that it is a boon to the local economy!
    Over and out. I’m a she, not a he, by the way : )

  • Anonymous

    Easy, champ.

  • Anonymous

    For not liking labels you sure throw them around like soft balls at a little league game. Thanks for the history lesson on the word pragmatic. By the way, you seem very knowledgable on everything, did you by chance pick up a set of books on tape?

  • Anonymous

    You don’t talk to someone as a human being by projecting in your mind what they ‘must’ be doing and feeling with “clevers” and “fuming”.  You are dead wrong.  That was your mistake, not trying to talk as a human being.  Following up with more sarcasm does not help it.  You don’t seem to realize that knowledgeable, intelligent people have good reason to reject and morally repudiate this nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t talk to someone as a human being by projecting in your mind what they ‘must’ be doing and feeling with “clevers” and “fuming”.  You are dead wrong.  That was your mistake, not trying to talk as a human being.  Following up with more sarcasm does not help it.  You don’t seem to realize that knowledgeable, intelligent people have good reason to reject and morally repudiate this nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t talk to someone as a human being by projecting in your mind what they ‘must’ be doing and feeling with “clevers” and “fuming”.  You are dead wrong.  That was your mistake, not trying to talk as a human being.  Following up with more sarcasm does not help it.  You don’t seem to realize that knowledgeable, intelligent people have good reason to reject and morally repudiate this nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    You explicitly referred to the “history” of Bar Harbor and “before the park”.  No one has refused to understand your point.  It is not correct.  You don’t seem to understand that the presence of an economy does not mean that the National Park Service created it or was required.  The actual history of Acadia shows that the National Park Service was not required to preserve Cadillac Mountain at all.  The scenery at Acadia does not justify a Federal agency taking over and pushing people around.

  • Anonymous

    National Parks belong to everyone and are open to the public. You’re a paranoid, seeing the opposite of what is true. Parks open up land to everyone “in perpetuity.”…… they don’t close it off, if you can’t see that well…. there’s no hope for you. I was in Acadia national Park last week and saw 10,000 people there. Hardly a prevention of human use.

  • Anonymous

    Words are for identification.  Knowledge and understanding are good things.  More sneering sarcasm is not an argument.

  • Anonymous

    That does not respond to what I wrote.  Your statements about Plum Creek are incorrect.

    Quimby and Restore want Federal wilderness.  Acadia is not a wilderness area.  Roads and motorized vehicles are not permitted in wilderness areas.

    National Parks are not “owned” by everyone.  They are controlled by the National Park Service.  You can go into a grocery store, too.  That doesn’t mean you own it.

    Repeatedly accusing people of “paranoia” and sneering with sarcasm is not an argument.

  • Anonymous

    That does not respond to what I wrote.  Your statements about Plum Creek are incorrect.

    Quimby and Restore want Federal wilderness.  Acadia is not a wilderness area.  Roads and motorized vehicles are not permitted in wilderness areas.

    National Parks are not “owned” by everyone.  They are controlled by the National Park Service.  You can go into a grocery store, too.  That doesn’t mean you own it.

    Repeatedly accusing people of “paranoia” and sneering with sarcasm is not an argument.

  • Anonymous

    What’s that high pitched screech?   Could be my tinnitus but I doubt it.  Kinda sounds like someone dragging their fingernails across a blackboard.

    Actually this is a better rebuttal: “You dare question the mighty Oz?”

    Only a buffoon would make assumptions about people they don’t know.
    You consistently attach “handles” to everyone who disagrees with your ideology.   Like I iterated before: You know nothing about me, my experiences, my education, my ethics, my history.  You berate, belittle and insult almost everyone disagrees with you.  You’ve threatened to have me taken off a stream because of your offense to my supposed sarcasm.   If what you do on these sites isn’t cyber-bullying , I don’t know what is. 

    So, don’t try to identify people that you know little or nothing about based on your assumptions of what you read on these sites.

  • Anonymous

    What’s that high pitched screech?   Could be my tinnitus but I doubt it.  Kinda sounds like someone dragging their fingernails across a blackboard.

    Actually this is a better rebuttal: “You dare question the mighty Oz?”

    Only a buffoon would make assumptions about people they don’t know.
    You consistently attach “handles” to everyone who disagrees with your ideology.   Like I iterated before: You know nothing about me, my experiences, my education, my ethics, my history.  You berate, belittle and insult almost everyone disagrees with you.  You’ve threatened to have me taken off a stream because of your offense to my supposed sarcasm.   If what you do on these sites isn’t cyber-bullying , I don’t know what is. 

    So, don’t try to identify people that you know little or nothing about based on your assumptions of what you read on these sites.

  • Anonymous

    What’s that high pitched screech?   Could be my tinnitus but I doubt it.  Kinda sounds like someone dragging their fingernails across a blackboard.

    Actually this is a better rebuttal: “You dare question the mighty Oz?”

    Only a buffoon would make assumptions about people they don’t know.
    You consistently attach “handles” to everyone who disagrees with your ideology.   Like I iterated before: You know nothing about me, my experiences, my education, my ethics, my history.  You berate, belittle and insult almost everyone disagrees with you.  You’ve threatened to have me taken off a stream because of your offense to my supposed sarcasm.   If what you do on these sites isn’t cyber-bullying , I don’t know what is. 

    So, don’t try to identify people that you know little or nothing about based on your assumptions of what you read on these sites.

  • Anonymous

    What’s that high pitched screech?   Could be my tinnitus but I doubt it.  Kinda sounds like someone dragging their fingernails across a blackboard.

    Actually this is a better rebuttal: “You dare question the mighty Oz?”

    Only a buffoon would make assumptions about people they don’t know.
    You consistently attach “handles” to everyone who disagrees with your ideology.   Like I iterated before: You know nothing about me, my experiences, my education, my ethics, my history.  You berate, belittle and insult almost everyone disagrees with you.  You’ve threatened to have me taken off a stream because of your offense to my supposed sarcasm.   If what you do on these sites isn’t cyber-bullying , I don’t know what is. 

    So, don’t try to identify people that you know little or nothing about based on your assumptions of what you read on these sites.

  • Anonymous

    What’s that high pitched screech?   Could be my tinnitus but I doubt it.  Kinda sounds like someone dragging their fingernails across a blackboard.

    Actually this is a better rebuttal: “You dare question the mighty Oz?”

    Only a buffoon would make assumptions about people they don’t know.
    You consistently attach “handles” to everyone who disagrees with your ideology.   Like I iterated before: You know nothing about me, my experiences, my education, my ethics, my history.  You berate, belittle and insult almost everyone disagrees with you.  You’ve threatened to have me taken off a stream because of your offense to my supposed sarcasm.   If what you do on these sites isn’t cyber-bullying , I don’t know what is. 

    So, don’t try to identify people that you know little or nothing about based on your assumptions of what you read on these sites.

  • Anonymous

    Hassenpheffer: “What’s that high pitched screech?   Could be my tinnitus but I doubt it.  Kinda sounds like someone dragging their fingernails across a blackboard.

    “Actually this is a better rebuttal: ‘You dare question the mighty Oz?’

    “Only a buffoon would make assumptions about people they don’t know.
    You consistently attach “handles” to everyone who disagrees with your ideology.   Like I iterated before: You know nothing about me, my experiences, my education, my ethics, my history.  You berate, belittle and insult almost everyone disagrees with you.  You’ve threatened to have me taken off a stream because of your offense to my supposed sarcasm.   If what you do on these sites isn’t cyber-bullying , I don’t know what is.

    “So, don’t try to identify people that you know little or nothing about based on your assumptions of what you read on these sites.”

    I respond to what people write.  Hassenpheffer is responsible for what he says.  He has in fact characterized himself as a “pragmatist” with an “open mind” as an alleged justification to go along with politically self-serving government “study”.  No one has said anything about his experiences, education and the rest of it in his litany of what he calls buffoonery. 

    Hassenpheffer has a history of hysterical personal attacks like the one above.  He has demanded that I “shut up” and “get out of the way”, and explodes over all kinds of straw man personal accusations, engaging in sarcastic and personal attacks — like in the post above.  He makes things up and then attacks people for things they never did — like in the post above. 

    But no one ever threatened to have him “taken off”.  He made that up too.  It would be better that he not do these things, but since he does it is better that his posts (which do in fact violate the rules) remain, rather then remove them, so that people can see him for how he portrays himself.  It’s quite a spectacle to watch this coming from someone claiming to be “pragmatic” with an “open mind”.

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