Quimby offer: 5 years of trail access for snowmobile clubs’ park support

Posted Sept. 23, 2011, at 2:19 p.m.
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A snowmobile is parked outside a gate on land owned by Roxanne Quimby in January 2011. Quimby has offered snowmobile clubs five years of access to snowmobile trails on her lands in exchange for support for her national park plan.
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A snowmobile is parked outside a gate on land owned by Roxanne Quimby in January 2011. Quimby has offered snowmobile clubs five years of access to snowmobile trails on her lands in exchange for support for her national park plan.
Roxanne Quimby during a public meeting at the Northern Maine Timber Cruisers snowmobile club in Millinocket in May 2011.
Roxanne Quimby during a public meeting at the Northern Maine Timber Cruisers snowmobile club in Millinocket in May 2011.

MEDWAY, Maine — Environmentalist and conservationist Roxanne Quimby has offered snowmobile clubs five years of access to snowmobile trails on her lands in exchange for support for her national park plan in an offer that plan opponents call coercive and divisive.

At least two of the snowmobile clubs involved are mulling the proposal, which calls for the clubs to write letters supporting Quimby’s national park plan and associated feasibility study in exchange for her allowing them the extended access, said several club members and Bob Meyers, executive director of the Maine Snowmobile Association and a park opponent.

The five years are about double what the present agreement allows.

Quimby pitched her plan to Katahdin and Brownville area clubs at the East Branch Sno-Rovers Snowmobile Club’s clubhouse on Sunday, Sept. 18, Meyers and club members said.

“Either [club members] have made up their minds or they are waiting to have meetings or to see what happens,” Meyers said Friday. “I haven’t talked to one yet that doesn’t resent the way this is being done.”

“There are a dozen clubs affected and some have said no and some have said yes,” he added.

Lisa Schoonmaker, communications director for James W. Sewall Co. of Old Town, declined to comment on the issue Friday. Sewall Co. helps manage Quimby’s land holdings and typically acts as her spokesman in the campaign for a national park. Quimby did not immediately respond to an email request for comment.

Quimby proposes to give about 70,000 acres she owns adjoining Baxter State Park to the National Park Service in 2016 — an act of generosity she said she hopes to be part of her legacy.

The park would be nearly twice the size of Acadia National Park. Sportsmen would get another 30,000 acres north of Dover-Foxcroft to be managed like a state park, with hunting and snowmobiling allowed.

Meyers touched off a firestorm on Aug. 17 when he announced that Quimby’s land manager, Mark Leathers of Sewall Co., told snowmobile club members at meetings in Brownville on Aug. 1 and Medway on Aug. 2 that in exchange for letters supporting a study, they would be allowed to use trails on Quimby’s land for another year.

At least implied was the threat that club access would be denied without the letters.

Several club members who attended the meeting verified that account. Leathers did not deny it, and one study supporter said he doubted that the threat came from Quimby.

Quimby has a right to do with her land what she pleases, opponents said, but the trails on her property near Baxter State Park and Brownville are key connections to networks statewide upon which the state’s $350 million snowmobile industry depends.

The clubs also have honored their agreements with Quimby, and the agreements say nothing about favoring a national park, members said.

After the early August meetings, Quimby wrote an email retracting an announcement from Schoonmaker that the clubs would have another year of access to Quimby’s lands. In her correction, Quimby said she favored a more permanent solution to access issues.

Dave Ramsey, president of the 50-member Brownville Snowmobile Club, said his club’s board of directors will meet on Oct. 11 to discuss Quimby’s latest proposal.

“I would love to say things now but I don’t think I am entitled,” Ramsey said.

An email from Sno-Rovers vice president Brian Wiley sent before last Sunday’s meeting assured club members that Quimby’s proposal was not coercive. It reminded them that no news media or governmental officials were invited to the private meeting, which would be “monitored for confidentiality reasons.”

Rodney Washburn, a member of the Brownville club’s board of directors and past club president, said Quimby had no problems with club members or their use of the trails until she needed support for her park plan.

“We have always had good relations with them,” Washburn said of Quimby’s land managers, calling access to the trails something “she is using as leverage for her park.”

“I am not really in favor of the park,” Washburn added. “I don’t really know what would be a big draw to bring people to this area. We already have a park up there [Baxter]. I am afraid the costs would be prohibitive. It would just be a burden on the state and federal government.”

A plan opponent, Millinocket Town Manager Eugene Conlogue, said Sunday’s meeting was among several held by Quimby or plan proponents recently in which local officials and plan opponents were barred. Meyers agreed.

“This is a typical and expected divide-and-conquer technique that drives wedges between people, organizations and communities,” Conlogue said. “It almost always has a negative impact. Sometimes it creates a backlash against people who perpetrate the division.”

The Millinocket downtown business association’s support for a feasibility study of Quimby’s national parks plan and the association’s announcement of its support before the Millinocket Town Council’s vote opposing the study were among the reasons councilors cited in a meeting last month at which they decided to withdraw funding for the association.

The association has begun soliciting private funding, association members said.

Millinocket’s council was the first local government to oppose the study. Councilors said they felt a park would imperil the region’s forest products industry and efforts to revitalize the region’s two paper mills.

Medway’s school committee and Board of Selectmen are the only government bodies statewide that have publicly declared support for a park study, as has Millinocket’s downtown business association and the Katahdin Region Chamber of Commerce.

U.S. Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins, the Legislature, Gov. Paul LePage, Millinocket’s council, the Fin and Feather Club and state snowmobile association are among the groups that have voted to oppose or expressed skepticism about Quimby’s initiative, through which she hopes to create a Maine Woods National Park.

“The thing with the snowmobile clubs is, she is entitled to put together any meeting she would want to have,” Conlogue said. “I would hope whatever she proposes is taken under advisement and considered very carefully, because it has impact far beyond the clubs.”

Meyers feared that Quimby’s tactics would pit clubs against each other and make the fragile coalition of volunteer trail groomers more difficult to maintain.

“What we take real issue with is this business of trying to coerce clubs into supporting this. We think that’s reprehensible,” Meyers said, referring to his association’s board of directors. “What have these people ever done to her except be incredibly respectful? And this is what they get in return?”

“I think it speaks volumes as to what her motives are,” Meyers said. “If this park is such a great idea, why does she have to do things like this?”

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  • Anonymous

    So if snowmobilers don’t support the land holder’s long term plans,
    I guess they are saying snowmobiling is not an important enough activity that it should be allowed in the Parks with a “s” ( one National and one State) , that she wants to create.

    Okay, we get it.
    Duely noted.  

  • Anonymous

    And continuing with her under-handed bullying ways…

  • jerimiah johnson

    what are negotiating with a land terrorist?

  • Anonymous

    Wow she must have a huge staff … half of them working on screwing the snowmobilers and the other half paying the Conservation Lawyer.

  • Anonymous

    Tell her to stick it!!!! She’s a conniving witch…

  • Anonymous

    Roxanne,,, What don’t you understand, “We Don’t Trust You”

  • Anonymous

    I’ve never understood why people seem to think they have some sort of inherent right to use this woman’s property. It’s HER land.

  • Anonymous

    What is there to negotiate?  The Queen has spoken.  Get on your knees and praise the almighty queen for 5 more years of freedom on the trails?  Hopefully you people can see beyond 5 years.  To hell with Quimby and her offers.  Reject the Quimby park!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    umm, it’s her land.  she can do whatever she wants with it…

  • Anonymous

    We who ?

    As Dave said: “ I’ve never understood why people seem to think they have some sort of inherent right to use this woman’s property. It’s HER land.”      

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    the way people have treated her, she should just shut it down completely.  No access period…

  • Anonymous

    Everybody knew when this chic bought the land she was going to pull the access.

    Now she’s threatening to take food out of peoples mouths unless they support her park initiative.

    She should be tarred and feathered.

    BAN ROXANNE!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    good, now get over it

  • Anonymous

    Just wait until they paint the great big “Q” on the smoke stacks of both mills.

  • Anonymous

    Just wait until they paint the great big “Q” on the smoke stacks of both mills.

  • Anonymous

    Just wait until they paint the great big “Q” on the smoke stacks of both mills.

  • Anonymous

    “She’s a conniving witch…”

    Oh, I see, now.
    It’s those same old, damned, silly witch hunters who are trying to New England a bad name again. 

    LOL 

  • Anonymous

    “She’s a conniving witch…”

    Oh, I see, now.
    It’s those same old, damned, silly witch hunters who are trying to New England a bad name again. 

    LOL 

  • Anonymous

    “She’s a conniving witch…”

    Oh, I see, now.
    It’s those same old, damned, silly witch hunters who are trying to New England a bad name again. 

    LOL 

  • Anonymous

    “Wow she must have a huge staff …”

    See, conservation does so create jobs.

  • Anonymous

    “Wow she must have a huge staff …”

    See, conservation does so create jobs.

  • Anonymous

    “Wow she must have a huge staff …”

    See, conservation does so create jobs.

  • Anonymous

    Well, buy the land yourself then.

  • Anonymous

    You know, now that does it for me.  I was pleased she was working her way thru it all. But to try and extort an agreement letter, no way.  Tell Quimby we have enough parks. Money don’t buy you love.
    Really a sad day. 

  • Anonymous

    Why does everyone say its her land she can do what she wants, but when Plum Creek wants to use there land, the way they want, they cannot?  I think the state should use eminent domain and get the land the trail is on.  This will allow her to keep using her land the way she wants and the snowmobilers to use there trails.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t “Quid Pro Quo” illegal?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t understand why people don’t just go on the land anyway – there is zero enforcement, it’s very remote, it would have to be reported by somebody to be enforced and by the time a warden or sheriff  got there you’d be gone, and if anybody enforced with a ticket, then just contest it and the odds are the cop wouldn’t show in court anyway for such an offense and you’d be pardoned as long as you showed. People trespass on other people’s land all the time anyway without even knowing it. It’s not that hard to drive a sled around her gates.

  • Anonymous

    It won’t be her land if the DOT wanted to by law take it by eminent domain and  use it for a much needed East-West Highway which they have stated in the past.  Even the DOT run by the Baldacci administration had a couple of  highways going east to west through that area.

  • Anonymous

    Why are you veiwing the BDN site from your office in Massachusetts? Shouldn’t you be more concerned with your local politics?
    Please leave the good people of maine alone.

  • Anonymous

    Your absolutely right, it’s her land,,,, until she “attempts” to make it into a national park, then it becomes an issue for area residents. This stipulation is supported by the Governor, our two Senators, and most of Augusta, along with the Millinocket Town Council, the Fin & Feather Club, and,,,,, but not limited to, the majority of hunters and sportsmen in the State of Maine.

  • Anonymous

    Pit. A suggestion. Don’t try holding your breath waiting for the DOT to build an east/west highway. They don’t have the funds to fix the roads we have now.

  • Anonymous

    Its her land, that she wants to turn into a park….which means no taxes paid in to the state, which means a greater burden on the shoulders of the people that do pay taxes. The 5 years of access to snowmobilers, in exchange for her LEGACY. What about the legacy we are leaving our children and grandchildren? We sold out for 5 years of playtime on her land? They will have the burden of the taxes.

    To those that believe that we ( that live in the areas surrounding her property) have no right to  interfere , just who do you think fight the forest fires if her property should catch on fire. I am not implying arson, I am talking about lighting strikes. 

    Let her return to wherever she came from and turn that area into a park! Let that be her legacy….

  • Anonymous

    She’s not treated nearly as bad as the way a legitimate developer & employer such as Plum Creek was treated by nutjob enviro-nazi socialist liberals who don’t care about jobs in Maine when Plum Creek bought a bunch of land and tried to do something constructive with it.   I guess if you’re a land-hoarding tree-hugger then you can’t be criticized. And don’t go telling me that this so-called “great northern park” idea of hers will make any jobs. It might make a handful of state union-jobs, but that’s about it. The upkeep would outweigh the profit.

  • Anonymous

    One correction:  Roxanne does not own all 70,000 acres she wants; she currently only owns about 61,000 acres.  Comment:  I hope the clubs do not give into this pressure tactic.  I was at the August 2 meeting in Medway and the coercion attempt was pathetic and heavy handed.

  • Anonymous

    As a long time Maine resident and taxpayer I would rather have the state take the land and build an East-West Highway. We need the highway badly to improve travel time for freight trucks, cars and to help grow businesses in a the rural areas.  A park only creates low wage government jobs .  We can’t even maintain the parks now and the Liberals want us to spend more on this stupid idea no thanks not in this horrible economy.  Have Quimby take her park back to the Black Hills of North Carolina where it belongs.

  • Anonymous

    Jay

    Do you even own a snowmobile? Have you ever been to that particular gate in the picture?

    You liberal bums trying to buy your way into a historically open working forest for the sake of conservation are nothing more than elitist dunces.

    Roxanne should have left it the way it was, now she’s showing the world what kind of persone she really is. We all knew it anyway.

    BAN ROXANNE!!

  • Anonymous

    So is that a majority of Maine’s or America’s people ?

    But more important, you need to think about what her options WITH HER OWN LAND might be, instead.   

  • Anonymous

    You opponants to private propery rights really should get over yourselves.
    I’m right behind ya.

  • Anonymous

    I think people wouldn’t hate her so much if she hadn’t taken eliminated Maine jobs and relocated them down south.

  • Anonymous

    She’s not being a friendly neighbor and that’s going to get her in trouble.

    How long do you think people are going to put up with this garbage?

    It’s called common courtesy, a notion totally foreign to liberal elitists !!

    BAN ROXANNE!!

  • Anonymous

    I was just wondering when the people who hate her property rights were going to start threatening to start them, too. 

  • Anonymous

    Learn how to spell, then we might care about what you post.

  • Anonymous

    “what are negotiating with a land terrorist? ”

    That makes no sense, it not even a sentence, but it has gotten five likes already ???  
    Are they ironic ?

    ROTFLOL.    

  • Anonymous

    Just donate the land call it done.  As noted it is HER LAND if she wants to donate it, then so be it good for her.  Leave her a lone. 

  • Anonymous

    An idea to turn private property over to public becomes an issue to the proposed stakeholders (taxpayers). She has the right to do with her land whatever she likes. But once it falls to the public domain the people have the final say not her.

  • Anonymous

    actually private business created jobs in this case…  Quimby is able to pay for her staff and other associates because she was fortunate enough to create a business that sold for a multi-million dollar price tag.  That money created the jobs, not conservation.

  • kkmousse

    Well then it becomes a loss of tax money issue.  Does a National Park benefit the State of Maine or become a burden if there is no money from the Federal Government to manage.  In that case the park would be closed to everyone.
    Maybe that is the point to make it inaccessable to people?

  • kkmousse

    It is not for sale to people.  It is going to off limits to people eventually a great Nature Preserve in the future of America.

  • Anonymous

    I really don’t care if she lets people on her land or not, but it is a concern of every area resident when it becomes a yet another taxpayer debt.

    Sleds cross my land every winter, and I even get a good chuckle when they bite it in the snow bank, but that’s me.

    Ban Roxanne…!

     

    .

  • Anonymous

    ????? Someone else said she was where Cate St.. got the money for the mills in another story. Does anyone know if this is true?

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    Just say no to the hag.

  • Anonymous

    Dont use her land or support her park. Use her land and support her park.   Or whine about it for another 10 years.

  • Anonymous

    thats  right her land, but there is no park, and it is not needed. she thinks most residents here are dimwits.her bribing is devious act.  she can keep her land good! no one disputes that. but do not try to control everything, she is a control freak. a liberal that can not be trusted for anything, we have a state park already. re-designating the added land, as a national park will not bring anymore visitors than we have now. we all stand to lose with any dealing that is conducted with this wench

  • Anonymous

    Really? “it not even a sentence?”

    Check yourself before you wreck yourself………

  • Anonymous

    What happens after 5 years….
    1000s of acres of land, that once used to bring people to the area for winter time activity of snowmobiling that helped support the local economy….turns to 1000s of acres of land for people to enjoy by picture taking…. I mean look at Bar Harbor in the WINTER…. nothing a ghost town, and land in northern Maine isn’t going to draw cruise ships with hundreds of people  in the summer to support the economy…

    hmmmm national park = no tax money = no local economy = more lost jobs for the citizens of Maine (more unemployment) and probably a wonderful increase in drug use = more methadone clinics…. what a revolving cycle here in Maine this could be…

  • Anonymous

    Roxanne, we’ll give you all the support you want to just go away.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, Dave it is her land.  Yes, she does have the right to keep sledders off her land, just as I have the right to keep them off mine.  However, I do not promise use (restricted or otherwise) to only those who will agree to my wish to create a national park.  A park that will not bring in a quarter of the moneys that she would have you believe.  A park that she wants overseen by an already nearly bankrupt National Parks System.  A park that is logically not financially feasible in this economic climate.  She is using access as leverage,   it is coercion, blackmail and extortion plain and simple.  Trust me, no matter what she promises, her every agreement comes with conditions that benefit only her.  She has no interest at all in helping people, only controlling “her” little corner of the world.  Remember that her plan is to “save” Maine…not from destruction by overbuilding, but from Mainers…families and individuals that have lived in this state for generations…some since the beginning of human settlement.  She has absolutely no regard or concern for people at all.  She wants her Park.  Nothing more, nothing less.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve heard rumors of a spell checker on Disqus, but how does one turn it on, so I can get the “Guvenah’s” ear ? 

    The “Guvenah” is very fussy about some people’s spelling. 
    Liberals must spell better than he, if he is going to really listen to them, it seems.

    I could use some vocabulary help , too.

    I’m looking for word that means the same as, but is less emotionally loaded and so less inflamatory, but as just accurate, as the word  ”hypocrite”.

    It would be useful to discribe the anti-property rights, but only if it is a liberal’s property, attitude, found here, in general, polite and politically correct terms.

    Any suggestions on what the right word for people like that might be,  Guv ?

  • Anonymous

    No.  It actually is a legal principle.  “something for something” is the essence of a bargain and contract.

  • Anonymous

    But that is not her offer.  The public gets the land with restrictions on its use just like Baxter and his park.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, don’t understand “discribe” or “imflamatory”  please re-phrase……………….

    BAN ROXANNE!!!

  • Anonymous

    Only if doing business in Maine is.

    It is hard enough anyway.

    “Increasing demand and product offerings necessitated a move from Maine headquarters to North Carolina where other personal care product manufacturers were also situated. Burt’s Bees changed its focus to exclusively personal care products. ”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burt's_Bees

  • Anonymous

    Low wage gov”t jobs??? with the benefits wow

  • Anonymous

    Good

  • Anonymous

    That Would Start A War

  • Anonymous

    Amen

  • Anonymous

    We Do… ;-)

  • Anonymous

    It’s actually more than 100k now, and it could get much larger soon….

  • Anonymous

    And change her will, leaving it all to PETA.

  • Anonymous

    I knew you copy/pasted.

    You couldn’t possibly spell all those words right at once!!

    BAN ROXANNE!!!!

  • Anonymous

    What business, besides concervation is she in , now, with all holdings in Maine ?

  • Anonymous

    Preservationist cannot be trusted tell her to take a hike, build the snowmobile trails around her if this park is such a good idea she wound not have to twist peoples arms fact is theirs nothing good about her or her federal park !!

  • Anonymous

    So you’r saying if I have 20k acres, and I wanted to use it for—– mmmm lets say “safe storage of highly radioactive materials” creating a few low paying jobs that I wouldn’t get “any” blow back from the tree huggers…?!?!????

  • Anonymous

    Which one, Roxanne Quimby, Marsha Donahue or Anita Mueller

  • Anonymous

    Ever heard the Burts Bees story, how he was a lonely guy with lots of bees and bees wax and she found a way to use him to get  what she wanted?  Wonder what Burt has to say about this lady…. No wonder her husband left her in the woods of Maine…. now she is trying to punish everyone. And from what I have gathered, she’s well educated. I heard her talk down to us at Medway a few weeks back, you know at the school there. Yep, she sure has a vocabulary and is  proud to show how much smarter she is than all us regular people. Yep!

  • Anonymous

    Careful, you might anger the BDN sensor

  • Anonymous

    But she does own about 100,00o acres, total, so a land trade for the bit in question could be very attactive to it current owners.

    Who are they, BTW ?

  • Anonymous

    I think in the “Good Old Days” this would have been called EXTORTION ……………………

    Yes, this is her land and she can do what ever the heck she wants ………… SO …………The snowmobiles Clubs should be looking at alternate routes, even if is inconvenient to some snowmobilers.

     No matter what, they shouldn’t give her the satisfaction of holding them as hostage to the trails. If the snowmobile Clubs let her do this now, what happens after 5 years or the next land purchase that she does?

    Maybe Clubs should see about buying legal Right of Ways, so even if she bought the land that trails cross she would have too let the trails be used.

  • Anonymous

    But she has support from the very sober, extremely educated, and upstanding Mark Scally

  • Anonymous

    Black Hills of N. Carolina ?

    Sometimes I wonder why to bother arguing with people that ignorant, but the delemmia is that if we don’t the raging ignorance is not  countered, not questioned and so it spreads.

  • Anonymous

    ‘cos they’re hypocrites?

  • Anonymous

    Great ideas can stand on their own, and there’s no need to resort to bribery to get support for them.

  • Anonymous

    Ah’d lack ta have me one o them low age guvmint jobs.   Uh.. what’s a benefit?   

  • Anonymous

    Ms. Quimby – thank you for his generous and flexible offer – I appreciate the work that you are doing to try to win over those who are resistant.   You should know that the vast majority of Mainer’s are appreciative of your efforts and recognize the benefits of what you are trying to accomplish. When it comes time for there to be a vote on this issue, the support for your plan will surely be overwhelming. I’m already looking forward to enjoying the newest National Park!

  • Anonymous

    Actually, it is not a decision that will be left to area residents.  It will be made by the people of Maine and we already know that it will be approved by a large margin.

  • Anonymous

    How about a seven letter word that begins with a and ends with hole?

  • Cuddles O’donovan

    many find  Roxanne intimidating…..i think she is a great example of a successful  business woman and a inspiration… she’s smart….. and you rednecks can’t stand it…. ha…

  • Anonymous

    bribery works

  • Anonymous

    bribery works

  • Anonymous

    just a little bait, dont be tempted or you’ll find yourself in the boat sufficating

  • Anonymous

    A successful businesswoman who doesn’t understand that you can’t force your will upon the masses who don’t agree with you, so you resort to what essentially amounts to bribery to jam it down their throats. She could take a lesson from Governor Baxter. He gave us a park, took the land off the tax rolls, and did it in a palatable way. If we’re rednecks for wanting to maintain our traditions of hunting, fishing, and free access, then so be it – we’re rednecks. I’m 13th generation Mainer, so I’m entitled to speak on the matter. If you wish to resort to name-calling (redneck), I’ll not engage further after this post. As Samuel Clemens (arguably) said, “I’ll not have a battle of wits with an unarmed man”.

  • Anonymous

    I bet the jobs will pay more than 11.00 bucks an hour.

  • Anonymous

    http://www.burtsbees.com/.. she started that business and sold somewhere in the neighborhood of a reported 350 million dollars.

  • Anonymous

    Cute bribe. No thanks. Nice way to divide the people and cause termoil Roxanne. How can someone with this type of mindset have the qualities needed to begin a park. Go back where you came from. We are smarter than you, obviously.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Did she offer them five years’ worth of lip gloss, too?

  • Anonymous

    By the way, item #2 of the guidelines says no name-calling. If the BDN sensors were doing their job, they’d have removed your post. Instead, I suspect they’ll remove this one.

  • yowsayowsa1

     I was there also, and the coercion was NOT implied as these idiots at BDN have been saying.

     It was outright blackmail, with no way to dress it up in any other way.

     Support my agenda, or NO access.

  • Anonymous

    You’re are being a friendly neighbor ?
    Good nieghbors don’t tell you what you should do, Guv.

  • Anonymous

    tell Roxie to stuff her land…….because that’s what she will tell the snowmobilers on year 6……tit for tat…no thanks.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Jobs that she so graciously took to North Carolina for greener pastures.

     So much for her concern for the economic stability in the region.

  • Anonymous

    She has resorted to bribery after the National park was voted down multiple times by the PEOPLE of MAINE. She no longer lives in the state and pays no taxes on the areas she owns because they are in conservation. A 3% tax on her land will wipe out the Maine deficit and ensure programs stay alive. She can own all she wants and direct the use of the land, unless the government does something and listens to the voters the potential for a trickle up effect. She will shut down other towns in Maine just as she did the Millonocket area. 

  • Anonymous

    That’s awesome!

  • Anonymous

    So you don’t know how to turn on spell check either , or is it that you can’t afford to loose  the only advantage, off topic, irrelavent personal attacks, that you have, Guv ?

    BTW, once more, do property rights mean anything to you ? 

    LOL

  • Anonymous

    I am not threatening at all, if that is what you are saying. 

    Mother nature can start a forest fire anywhere! It could be on my land as well as hers…I have actually fought forest fires….as have friends and family. I had family fight the Baxter Fire years ago. I have operated heavy equipment helping to build fire lines….I have drug water hoses….I have had a water tank on my back. Anytime someone is fighting fire, they are risking their life. Tell me, why the hell should I risk my life fighting a fire on HER land if I am not even allowed on it otherwise? Would you?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steve-Tracy/100000881500426 Steve Tracy

    My family and I used to enjoy this area for years prior to her purchasing this property and blocking public access. Any of you ever been to Haskell rock, Grand Pitch? These are some of the most beautiful places in Maine and now the only way you can get there is by canoe and your only option is to keep going down the East Branch of the Penobscot  until you get to one of the spots downriver where you could have another vehicle parked, which could be as far as Medway. How about “The Lookout”? The last time I was there on sled it was a long butt pounding ride on ungroomed trails that we used to just get off ITS 85 and ride a short distance to the “Lookout”. The “public” used to have complete access to this area thanks to the paper companies that weren’t trying to having a National Park named after themselves. What’s next is she going to run for govenor? Good luck with that, I wouldn’t support her on anything. I wish I had the money to buy this land back from her, because I would make it forever free to the residents of Maine and any outa stater that dared to go that far off the hottop.     Quimby National Park????  It’s beautiful the way it is leave it alone and let people have the access that was always there. Poor Don Fendler would have been tresspassing when he made his way down Wassataquoik Stream.

  • Anonymous

    “vast majority ” Yeah Right…..

  • yowsayowsa1

    This process has had so many twists and turns, that it is beginning to make my head spin.

     Bottom line is, clubs send out permission slips for landowners to sign in order to use landowner’s property for ss trails.

     If RQ wants to deny access, why the hell doesn’t she say so and end the stupid games.

     We as snowmobile clubs will get around her property until she buys enough to stop us and then she will be judged in the court of public opinion, where she will SURELY lose.

     This woman needs to learn that she cannot BUY loyalty or create a legacy with her millions.

    NO PARK FOR Me.

  • Anonymous

    AMEN! Go Roxanne

  • yowsayowsa1

    Actually, she needs local support or the Dept of the Interior will NOT consider it.

     The large margin you speak of are the liberal, like minded posters that hang out on the BDN forum all day while drawing a guvment check.

  • yowsayowsa1

    You will never be considered a Mainer with the attitude you have shown here.

    No matter how many years it’s been since you arrived.

  • Anonymous

    Actually it will need the support of our delegation, and the 2nd district doesn’t include Pingree…

    Beyond that, there are a few more potholes, real good project stoppers, that will prevent Quimby Land from getting NP status, and I am eagerly looking forward to watching her team discover them… :-P

  • Anonymous

    Your biting your nose off to spite your face. You all better wake up and be willing to discuss the options. You may find this is a win win. If this is made a park, state or federal the management may be more than willing to allow the trails. Remember, the government is supposed to honor the request of the majority of the people.

  • Anonymous

    Kinda like a mafia shakedown..”Hey, those are some nice trails you’ve used before…it would be a shame for you to lose them.”

  • Anonymous

    I believe the east-west highway you speak of,  is closer to reality than you might think.  Long overdue I might add.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joe-Porada/100000211930223 Joe Porada

    I moved here some 30 years ago, bought a chunk of land and choose never to post it. I allow hunting fishing and trapping ,cause it’s what folks have always done around here, since the Red Paint People, anyway. I know sledding isn’t the same thing. But, Roxanne, let just use the trails without deadlines, but with responsibility. And let us hunt, fish and trap. I’mnot big into trapping but used to do it whan I was in HS. Learned a lot and gained respect for wild life I may not have if I just stayed on the paved way. 

  • yowsayowsa1

    “At least two of the snowmobile clubs involved are mulling the proposal”

     Interesting to note that the two clubs mentioned are not really clubs at all, but for profit businesses, one being owned by Matt Polstein, owner of New England Outdoors Center, and the other owned by Rick Levasseur owner of Five Lakes Lodge.

     Both gentlemen have been colluding with Mz. Quimby for years trying to bring the national park to their doorstep for their own financial gain.

     They have been specutating on this development just as surely as the people that are buying up the northwoods and liquidating the timber inventory in anticipation of a sale to RQ.

     Every meeting about the park has had a sermon preached by Matt Polstein as to the good this “generous” “lady” is trying to do for the poor impoverished Katahdin region.

     I say to these park speculators ” If you want a business that is dependant on having a national park at your doorstep, you should have had the foresight to locate next to one”.

  • Anonymous

    “the way people have treated her…”   Jay, Quimby showed zero compassion in her swift evictions of dozens of camp owners when she made her original land acqusitions. It was “remove and replenish these properties immediately or be billed”.  Those family camps had been there for ages and weren’t harming a thing. Two week notices for removals ? Please….

  • Anonymous

    Actually, all four of our congressional delegates are going to vote with the majority position, which will be overwhelmingly in favor of the park.  A dozen snowmobile clubs is a drop in the pond.

  • Anonymous

    LOL. I think I’ll be OK without your blessing. The ‘attitude’ I’ve shown here is to be appreciative of someone who is trying to do something nice for our State and our Country. If that makes me seem foreign to you, I’m OK with it.

  • Anonymous

    They will break ground on the east-west highway within 3-4 years.  You heard it here first.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joe-Porada/100000211930223 Joe Porada

    Just another thought. Hunting, fishing and trapping are skills. Skills that were necessary for all. Now some do find it necessary. Still, they are skill that we should not loose as humans who may need them again. 

  • Anonymous

    No matter what someone does with that much propertysomeone will get ticked off by it.  The fact that she is making the restricted where no snowmobiles hunting and the like can be done is disappointing.  But hey, it could be worse, they could in fact clear cut all of it, put an underground nuclear test site there.   But they aren’t, she could sell it to a development company, toss up a ton of resorts that will later go out of business. But she’s not.

    Times change, and the future will bring to all in the area the realization that something good can come of this and it will bring business to the area, in time, ATV’s and Snowmobiles will be given access to the area, once a responsible group willing to maintain the area  proposes to those overseeing it a viable business case. 

    The short term, it is tough, and negotiations can be a pain, but it is what it is. 

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    So to be clear, you are OPPOSED to landowners’ rights?

  • Anonymous

    So to be clear, you are OPPOSED to landowners’ rights?

  • Anonymous

    Big deal. So Quimby wants to buy some support. So upper state ME is supposed to be a National Park. They are selling off land in the Grand Canyon for drilling oil . What happens to communities if the Federal Govt. then decides to sell us off. We would have no recourse.

    The Federal Govt. is selling off a lot of national treasures to pay it’s bills. Not an entity I would trust with ME.

  • Anonymous

    Big deal. So Quimby wants to buy some support. So upper state ME is supposed to be a National Park. They are selling off land in the Grand Canyon for drilling oil . What happens to communities if the Federal Govt. then decides to sell us off. We would have no recourse.

    The Federal Govt. is selling off a lot of national treasures to pay it’s bills. Not an entity I would trust with ME.

  • Anonymous

    Oh yes the myth of the liberal elitist is alive and well. If they really exist and they are so powerful why aren’t they getting their message out?

  • Anonymous

    Oh yes the myth of the liberal elitist is alive and well. If they really exist and they are so powerful why aren’t they getting their message out?

  • Anonymous

    Sentence structure? Spelling?

  • Anonymous

    Sentence structure? Spelling?

  • Anonymous

    Wish you wouldn’t call names . I would probably be called a liberal if you knew me. Not the elite part though. BUT I am totally against Roxanne Quimby and what she wants to do here. We win by gaining concensus (sp?), not by name calling. People are all different. Some have conservative beliefs and liberal . WE win when we work together.

  • Anonymous

    Wish you wouldn’t call names . I would probably be called a liberal if you knew me. Not the elite part though. BUT I am totally against Roxanne Quimby and what she wants to do here. We win by gaining concensus (sp?), not by name calling. People are all different. Some have conservative beliefs and liberal . WE win when we work together.

  • Anonymous

    No we don’t . There is a lot of opposition in conservative upper state ME. 

  • Anonymous

    No we don’t . There is a lot of opposition in conservative upper state ME. 

  • Anonymous

    The snowmobile clubs got a donation to like wind farms too. The corporations must have a list of people to pay off.

  • Anonymous

    The snowmobile clubs got a donation to like wind farms too. The corporations must have a list of people to pay off.

  • Anonymous

    There you go. Stop dividing people up  and stereotyping. I used to vote democratic, and do not support a national park here.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to control what is and isn’t allowed on the land in question, buy it. Then you’ll be in charge.  The notion that snowmobiling has been allowed for generations (internal combustion engines have only existed for a few generations) therefore must be allowed forever for free whether the landowner likes it or not is absurd.  

  • Anonymous

    If you want to control what is and isn’t allowed on the land in question, buy it. Then you’ll be in charge.  The notion that snowmobiling has been allowed for generations (internal combustion engines have only existed for a few generations) therefore must be allowed forever for free whether the landowner likes it or not is absurd.  

  • Anonymous

    Dream on. Read the Lincoln News. It is in upper state ME, and the people are not going for the bribes and power plays by ms. Quimby. She doesn’t know how to get people to support her on top of the fact that the park is a bad idea. Steam roller type PR. Men with guns on their hips took out protesters at the  Plum Creek development hearing. 

  • Anonymous

    Money don’t buy you love. Good one. Ms. Quimby hasn’t gotten the message yet. But she will.

  • Anonymous

    Money don’t buy you love. Good one. Ms. Quimby hasn’t gotten the message yet. But she will.

  • Anonymous

    I am a progressive and I am against the park. Please quit dividing. We need to work together to keep her out of ME.

  • Anonymous

    I am a progressive and I am against the park. Please quit dividing. We need to work together to keep her out of ME.

  • yowsayowsa1

    Arithmetic as well as reading comprehension is not one of your strong points, is it?

     Snowe and Collins are adamantly opposed to this fiasco of government bureaucratic control with Collins actually advising Ken Salazar to “stay away from Maine”.

     Michaud is sitting on the fence waiting for someone to tell him which way to step, and Pingree……..well she is a liberal SoMaine whackjob that wants to save everything so that she and her new (multi-millionair) hubby will have places to visit and observe the commoners in their natural habitat.

  • Anonymous

    Read carefully. No threats.

  • Anonymous

    Read carefully. No threats.

  • Anonymous

    Where do you get all the hate?

  • Anonymous

    Where do you get all the hate?

  • Anonymous

    Good points.

  • Anonymous

    Good points.

  • Cuddles O’donovan

    i am armed with hope for the future;…. that  movers and shaker’s like Ms. Q  keep coming to Maine… I have 5 children who want to stay in Maine; I will do what it takes to make this happen…I don’t care what state people they are from…50 stars on the flag…ask any vet..

  • Cuddles O’donovan

    i am armed with hope for the future;…. that  movers and shaker’s like Ms. Q  keep coming to Maine… I have 5 children who want to stay in Maine; I will do what it takes to make this happen…I don’t care what state people they are from…50 stars on the flag…ask any vet..

  • Anonymous

    The people who call names with no facts alienate . They are losing.

  • Anonymous

    The people who call names with no facts alienate . They are losing.

  • Anonymous

    Have we got some paid staff for ms quimby commenting on this article? Hint hint. Don’t be so effusive. Gives you away everytime.

  • Anonymous

    Have we got some paid staff for ms quimby commenting on this article? Hint hint. Don’t be so effusive. Gives you away everytime.

  • Anonymous

    Companies who bribe, corporations which bribe do not have anything to offer Mainers.

  • Anonymous

    Companies who bribe, corporations which bribe do not have anything to offer Mainers.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Five years or five hundred years, it makes no difference.

     If  she is able to flip this land to the feds, all agreements will be null and void.

     Her promises are as empty as her feelings for the good people of the Katahdin region.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Five years or five hundred years, it makes no difference.

     If  she is able to flip this land to the feds, all agreements will be null and void.

     Her promises are as empty as her feelings for the good people of the Katahdin region.

  • Anonymous

    How did she shut down the Millinocket?  And please be specific.  People of Northern Maine would do themselves a huge favor by stopping pretending that the paper companies are going to come back and revive these one-industry towns that are so hurting. Want to blame a wealthy “job creator” for the decline of No. Maine mill towns?  The Koch brothers own Georgia Pacific…

  • Anonymous

    If ms quimby is paying people to write in the comments about her park, she needs to give them a raise and get some people who know something about ME. 

  • Anonymous

    If ms quimby is paying people to write in the comments about her park, she needs to give them a raise and get some people who know something about ME. 

  • Anonymous

    I am a liberal, and do not support ms quimby or the park. Remember, people are all different. When you call names, you alienate. You want concensus. (sp?)

  • Anonymous

    I am a liberal, and do not support ms quimby or the park. Remember, people are all different. When you call names, you alienate. You want concensus. (sp?)

  • Anonymous

    “Remember, the government is supposed to honor the request of the majority of the people.”

    Only prob..they don’t.

  • Anonymous

    “Remember, the government is supposed to honor the request of the majority of the people.”

    Only prob..they don’t.

  • Anonymous

    YES

  • Anonymous

    YES

  • Anonymous

    I share the same mind set.  Not everyone has an appreciation for the outdoors, and any which way they can gain it the better they will be whether it is nature watching, hiking, or hunting and fishing.

  • Anonymous

    I share the same mind set.  Not everyone has an appreciation for the outdoors, and any which way they can gain it the better they will be whether it is nature watching, hiking, or hunting and fishing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cmynewworld Brian Curry

    Perhaps, but it appears Bangorian, that you are overstepping just a bit.  The support for the park is only overwhelming in Southern Maine and Boston.  Not in Northern Maine where the park would  be located – if an act of Congress would approve it – which, they likely wouldn’t.  I think you are not appreciating the important voice of the people that actually LIVE in Brownville like myself.  I think you are comfortable with the idea because it wouldn’t be in your back yard, it would be in OURS!  Please wake up.  You are deluding yourself with this supposed “Overwhelming Support.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/cmynewworld Brian Curry

    Perhaps, but it appears Bangorian, that you are overstepping just a bit.  The support for the park is only overwhelming in Southern Maine and Boston.  Not in Northern Maine where the park would  be located – if an act of Congress would approve it – which, they likely wouldn’t.  I think you are not appreciating the important voice of the people that actually LIVE in Brownville like myself.  I think you are comfortable with the idea because it wouldn’t be in your back yard, it would be in OURS!  Please wake up.  You are deluding yourself with this supposed “Overwhelming Support.”

  • ladybaroque

    Yes, turning one’s property into a national park is quite different than what most property owners do with their land.  Of course, a national park would affect most of the residents of Maine, either negatively or positively.

  • ladybaroque

    Yes, turning one’s property into a national park is quite different than what most property owners do with their land.  Of course, a national park would affect most of the residents of Maine, either negatively or positively.

  • Anonymous

    The Bar Harbor reference is a good one that gets over looked by many people.  Though Bar Harbor is in a much better location and very well known, the majority of people that come in for work only have seasonal jobs.  How many people have tried to make a living off of a seasonal job in an area where costs are high.  Not all the seasonal work is enough to provide the employment a person needs if they want to stay in the state.  It may be a booming town for the summer but it is quite desolate when everything closes up, and unless you have other work to get by, you aren’t going to be staying there.

  • Anonymous

    The Bar Harbor reference is a good one that gets over looked by many people.  Though Bar Harbor is in a much better location and very well known, the majority of people that come in for work only have seasonal jobs.  How many people have tried to make a living off of a seasonal job in an area where costs are high.  Not all the seasonal work is enough to provide the employment a person needs if they want to stay in the state.  It may be a booming town for the summer but it is quite desolate when everything closes up, and unless you have other work to get by, you aren’t going to be staying there.

  • yowsayowsa1

     I wonder if it might be time for you to re-evaluate your beliefs, Marybelle.

  • yowsayowsa1

     I wonder if it might be time for you to re-evaluate your beliefs, Marybelle.

  • Anonymous

    I would say that conservatives are the ones acting like elitists……….

  • Anonymous

    I would say that conservatives are the ones acting like elitists……….

  • Anonymous

    I think it’d actually fit more into the extortion category.

  • yowsayowsa1

     As you raise and educate those five of yours, make sure they are taught to say “you want fries with that”‘ because that’s all they will need in the park economy.

  • yowsayowsa1

     And the rotund Mr. B. Wiley (as in coyote)!

  • Anonymous

    Spell check is simple to access.  Just right-click in the text box on words that are indicated as possible misspellings.

  • Anonymous

    Wow that is a pretty low way to go about things.

  • Anonymous

    How much trail time if I don’t support is my question, oh wait support you and then you kick me out

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

       For somebody who believes in the free enterprise system that gave her, her fortunes she is being awful restrictive to other members of society.

    If she wants to do what ever with her land while she is alive and the current owner so be it!

    If she wants to give it to the people so be it, but don’t put restrictions on it from the grave.

     That is a pathetic denial of human rights for the ones left.

    After all it was society that bought her stinkin bees wax so she could play land baron, not a pack of stinkin Coyotes and Bullwinkle!

  • Anonymous

    Let her do what she wants with her own land, and let Plum Creek do what they want with their land!

  • Anonymous

    We don’t have to make any deals with this corp. Just take huge trail connector corridors through eminent domain laws. Problem solved!

  • Anonymous

    Give it time.  There is no way that an elected politician will vote against the wishes of the majority.  Even if all you gun boys go bananas.

  • Anonymous

    You are wrong.  The political decisions are going to lie where the votes are.  The votes are in Southern Maine.  Southern Maine, not Millinocket will decide this issue, you’ll see.

  • Anonymous

    I did. Won’t vote democratic unless there is a good candidate. Won’t vote for Obama. Do hug a tree occasionally. So would be damaged in the sight of many a republican. Maybe WE should all start looking at what a candidate or law will do to help US and pay no attn. to party.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cmynewworld Brian Curry

    So how am I wrong?  LOL!  Seems to me you are spouting for the sake of spouting.  You have just made my point…..  People in Souther Maine don’t mind it because it will not affect them.  You have just made my point. Thank you for playing.  

  • Anonymous

    Because Quimby is an outsider go back to San Francisco with the rest of them tree huggers Roxanne !!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/laplants Seth Laplant

    I’m not a big Quimby fan but am unsure as to why snowmobile clubs wouldn’t love to have a national park.  Not only would it guarantee access forever it would give federal money for trail grooming and development of trails.  The feds couldn’t sell it off to someone else who would block it off like Quimby has. 
    Here’s a link to a guide service for near yellowstone, there are many more.  They make money. 
    http://www.twotopsnowmobile.com/

  • Anonymous

    re: spellcheck, you might need to update your browser.  

  • Anonymous

    The truly bigoted think  is only one thing worse than a liberal, Mary Belle, thats an uppity independent one.

    Oh !!!
    There is why you’re getting treated just like Quimby, and being told you can’t be for real.  

  • Anonymous

    Read carefully, no accusarions.  ; )

  • Anonymous

    “This is a typical and expected divide-and-conquer technique that drives wedges between people, organizations and communities,” Conlogue said.

    Why isn’t that exactly what Eugene and company do?…

  • Anonymous

    Nice and legal extortion, or should this be called bribery. Yea, like last time support her, and then, POW.

  • Anonymous

    they why is she trying to bribe here way into a National Park.

  • yowsayowsa1

     But what about the poor, exploited bees?

     Who is to speak for the bees?

     Jesse Jackson?

    Rev. Al Sharpton?

    Geraldo Rivera?

  • Anonymous

    ..No matter what the clubs vote…in the end her land will either be closed to the motorized public or turned into a park.

  • Anonymous

    The Federal Government has the final say.

  • Anonymous

    Yea, she has been at this already how long? 10 or 2o years.

  • Anonymous

    You mean extort or blackmail?

  • Anonymous

    Let her pay the taxes on it then!

  • Anonymous

    MaryBelle, I know what you mean, Scary isn’t it. Where the heck or when the heck do we begin to trust our politicians?

  • A.Lincoln

    It’s her land. She can do whatever she wants with it. Don’t like it? Buy your own land.

  • Anonymous

    She has, if you had not noticed.

  • Anonymous

    Have you heard of a wolf in sheeps clothing.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, Kired , that is what people say, but no words are indicated. Nada, nothing.

    For a kid taught sight reading  and a two finger typer, I try real hard, too.

    I sign in though Disqus, if that makes any difference.
    And thanks for offering help.
    I do appreciate it.  

  • Anonymous

    She has been at it for over 1o years already.

  • Anonymous

    eminent domain for a snowmobile trail?

    so, you want the government to take people’s private property because you think snowmobiling is more important than land owner’s rights?

  • Anonymous

    ross perot, where are you?

  • Anonymous

    ??

  • Anonymous

    That may be not her offer but if the state feels they need the land for a more important use then they should take the land by eminent domain.  I hope Governor LePage and Dot does it.  It’s time to put the Liberals in their place they have controlled the way of life for 40 years and they failed miserably.  Their economic agenda has failed this state we are dead last in about everything.  Their sick and twisted social agenda from giving kids birth control in schools, to having people run in the main roads topless creating a huge traffic backup,  to gay marriage.  Their economic agenda and social agenda was defeated in referendums and at the Republican takeover in 2010 and should stay that way.  The claim they want to help our economy but they want this foolishness.  As I stated yesterday in another article on here they should be replaced by the Indian Tribes because they do a better job at promoting economic ideas that will create jobs.  They would do a better job than what Emily Cain, Troy Jackson, Justin Alfond, Cynthia Dill and John Martin has done while leading the Dems in Augusta.

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    since when is blackmail legal?

  • Anonymous

    try a more applicable comparison next time.  nuclear waste is heavily regulated.

  • Anonymous

    So i own 40 acres less then 50 miles from hers can i build a oil drilling and refinary on mine ummmmm no so fair is fair

  • Anonymous

    Not trying to cause any more hate and discontent…..but why should the rest of the state have a say in this it really does not concern them the majority of them will never go to “Quimby Land” but will vote for it anyways. While the folks that live here are going to be stuck with something the majority of us do not want.

  • Anonymous

    IM Not allowed To Cut down to many tree on my property at once or drill or put wind mills or on and on again but she has the right to stop a major artery for travel in maine

  • Anonymous

    sad but true.  and particularly stupid, since moderate voters tend to decide elections.

  • Anonymous

    so if i move next to you i can put a nuclear reactor in my back yard thanks neighbor also yeah that loud cooling fans will be running 24 hours a day

  • Anonymous

    Sad thing about it steve even if you had the money you would of never had the chance to buy the land it was was all back room dealings with the state and the big logging outfits such as HC Haynes and Gardener And Sons  who sold their hard working loggers down the road just ask Jay Haynes How many millions of dollars he has made with the big wind mill projects being constructed in our back yards. This has all been staged from the get go when RESTORE got turned away 15 years ago. This part of maine is nothing but a play land for all the massholes and southern maine which is made up of bunch massachussetts transplants,they’re gonna get their park one way or the other no doubt. End result Northern Maine Loses  we can’t compete sad but true even our local people are selling us out  for example George McLaughlin Head of this feasibility study comittee for Medway too bad he would’nt of put as much of his time in to helping the areas paper mills as he has in supporting Roxanne Quimby. His 40 plus years experience in the papermaking industry could really be helpful for the local people and the economy thanks George …….

  • Anonymous

    to the person who is smarter than Roxanne:

    it is spelled ‘turmoil’ not ‘termoil’

    you’d hate to for people to think you’re not as smart as someone else.

  • Anonymous

    baxter is right next to it and not that many people visit that one why would they visit quimby land

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t the fed gov trying to cut spending right  now

  • Anonymous

    kind of how i feel when i go hiking and can’t get away from atv’s and snowmobiles.

    i love snowmobiling and wish I had an atv, but honestly, it’s not the only from of recreation in town.  try finding a trail that’s not full of diesel smoke and engine noise.

    i always wondered if i would enjoy the view from the top of the mountain if i didn’t have to work to get to the top first.  maybe we weren’t meant to be able to drive everywhere.

  • Anonymous

    also only approx 64000 people went to baxter last year including local residents which made up an overwellming percentage why would they go to quimby land that is right next to it  

  • Anonymous

    um majority of what portland locals don’t want it and the northern district doesn’t want it so Y would they go against there districts ?

  • Anonymous

    so true right

  • Anonymous

    okay, i appreciate your passion, but snowmobiling is not a ‘human right’.

  • Anonymous

    mary you would have a hard time showing numbers that disagree with the stereotype so far you have one vs 3 just on the 5 comments around you

  • Anonymous

    save eminent domain for where it is needed.  we do not need a government take so people can ride snowmobiles.

  • Anonymous

    And let me open a oil field and refinary on my land next to yours

  • Anonymous

    Yeah you could, if you got all the permits and zone taking care of. 

  • Anonymous

    wo wo wo bangorian now wait a second you where argueing the other day that millionaires should have to pay more in taxes and now your letting quimby off the hook because she fallows your agenda can some one say hypocrats

  • Anonymous

    Yeah you could it your got zoning and the permits, Horriable example, You can do anything with your land you just have to jump through the hoops. 

  • Anonymous

    how that gay marriage vote go for you guys in southern maine again i think they won in portland by like 70% but lost over all by over 5% how did that happen ???

  • Anonymous

    well play brian

  • AionNV

    Baxter gets enough traffic to pay for itself, always has.

  • AionNV

    Like you ?

  • Anonymous

    Because it will have modern camping facilities, paved roads, handicapped accessibility, well marked and built hiking trails, glossy pamphlets describing the geography and forest areas, restaurants on the way……..

  • Anonymous

    So why should she even have the option of unloading her land on the American taxpayer so we have to foot the bill for it thereafter?

    It’s her land, she bought it, so she can put on her big girl pants, manage it on her own, and pay the taxes on it on her own.  If she wants to establish a park that bad, she can do it in a private manner if she chooses….that’s the whole idea of PRIVATE PROPERTY. 

  • Anonymous

    which would require what o yeah local support the same thing that she doesn’t have

  • Anonymous

    They munch carrots.

  • Anonymous

    more people go to gun shops in maine then went to baxter

  • Anonymous

    Modern camping facilities that is an oxymoron and if the 64000 people that went to baxtar almost half where from the bangor area so woo the burger king on the way we are making some big money there

  • Anonymous

    It is HER land.  So why does she feel she has some sort of right to unload it onto the American taxpayer?  What have the rest of us done to now become indebted to her in that she will pass the cost of managing that land onto the taxpayer?  She has no right to claim that I, or anyone else owes her anything.  She owns the land.  She can manage it and pay the taxes on it herself…don’t ask me  or my kids to pay for it, we don’t want it.

  • Anonymous

    I think it is called an “agreement”.  She does not have to offer her land.

  • Anonymous

    I really don’t understand what you are saying. But that is ok. We are all different. Being for real to me means being honest about how you feel.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah but you will never get through those hoops unless you have multi-level support

  • Anonymous

    Hate?  It is the truth.

  • Anonymous

    I hope that she installs some spy camera’s, won’t be hard to do.

  • Anonymous

    I hope that she installs some spy camera’s, won’t be hard to do.

  • Anonymous

    don’t forget the bath salts.

  • Anonymous

    don’t forget the bath salts.

  • Anonymous

    Actual she sounds like a middle maine republican if that help marybelle out of that earlier statement. And the only thing we hate more then a regualr liberal is one that can’t come up with a single fact of there own citing some tiny website with 0 crediblity and using polarizing flash words to try to make them selfs look like there above the fray.

  • Anonymous

    Actual she sounds like a middle maine republican if that help marybelle out of that earlier statement. And the only thing we hate more then a regualr liberal is one that can’t come up with a single fact of there own citing some tiny website with 0 crediblity and using polarizing flash words to try to make them selfs look like there above the fray.

  • Anonymous

    but should it be when they have 6 guys standing around looking at a pot hole and scratching there head for 6 out of the 8 hour day it works out to be 44 dollars an hour

  • Anonymous

    but should it be when they have 6 guys standing around looking at a pot hole and scratching there head for 6 out of the 8 hour day it works out to be 44 dollars an hour

  • Anonymous

    my response to that is LNG terminal gov shut it down

  • Anonymous

    further more could i sue her if her land caught fire and then caught my land on fire ?

  • Anonymous

    NO

  • Anonymous

    april4321 have you ever fought a fire before

  • Anonymous

    like in full turn out gear not dumping water on a camp fire

  • Anonymous

    She is able and willing to pay the taxes.

    You missed the bus.

  • Anonymous

    reduce my taxes and i will

  • Anonymous

    Money?

  • Anonymous

    just a bunch of carrots

  • Anonymous

    when you get put out of work because of enviro-nazi’s yeah people get angry

  • Anonymous

    no just land owner rights fairness why should i have to ask permission to build things that will tick everyone off around me if she doesn’t have to.

  • Anonymous

    sorry, i don’t know enough about LNG’s history to comment.  but generally speaking eminent domain is used for things like major roadways, etc.  not recreational trails.

  • Anonymous

    yeah most of jackson lab lives off island because they can’t afford it some a large amount live in areas like holden and franklin cause the commute is cheaper then living on the island

  • Anonymous

    And if people took more math classes instead of writing everyone would be republicans but we all can be perfect.

  • Anonymous

    I guess it is a good thing that all of the roads were built on her land before only foot traffic was welcome.  I guess moving forward if she needs help the forest fairies will maintain them, put out fires, etc…
    I understand the ‘it is her land’ argument by many of you.  What I would like to see are your posts concerning the plight of Plum Creek.  
    If you want to put yourselves in our shoes just imagine if a little company from Ark. purchased some land in your town and one of those great Super Centers starting going up.  The headline reads ‘Wal-Mart Super Center in Freeport, Cape Elizabeth, Southeast Harbor….your post would be fun to read.

  • Anonymous

    Just what I want, someone to kick me off of land and its use, keep hands off, and then make me pay for the land and someone else’s maintenance of the land.

  • Anonymous

    so  all 5 kids are gonna work at the wendy’s out side of quimby land cause right now maine has a mass exodus of 21-27 years olds

  • Anonymous

    or maybe we could fund public education so that we didn’t have to choose between math and reading.

  • Anonymous

    and southern maine wonder Y we don’t like them after they group us as all rednecks

  • Anonymous

    no, but you’ll allow all your neighbors to trespass if they so choose

  • Anonymous

    i was thinking about that it would take a cop like 2 hours just to get there

  • Anonymous

    Snowmobilers  have no respect for others property, I had to use a shotgun to stop them crossing my backyard!!!

  • Anonymous

    its maine But try out in the townships past clifton on route 9 i mean yeah i see them occuasionally which is nice in case i get hurt or what eve but not some much that where is bothering about 1 every 4 hours  and i haven’t seen any diesel atv miss spelling correction :P

  • Anonymous

    She needs to put 20 million windmills on the property to prove she’s thinking “green”.

  • Anonymous

    LMFAO U R-tard     No spelling no sentence structure. Like at all but still makes my point.

  • Anonymous

    As many would like to see an Eastern Trail, a walking and biking trail extending from Florida to Maine, it sounds like people in northern Maine would like to keep and maintain their snowmobile, ATV, skiing, running and hiking trails that allow people to travel off from roads or where there are no roads to get from one place to another.  I understand. 
     
    Five years doesn’t keep the way of travel and tradition open for future generations, and last I knew Baxter State Park was not overloaded with visitors.  Then there is still the issue of getting people to the area to enjoy the park.
     
     
     
    Just what I want, someone to kick me off of land and its use, keep hands off, and then make me pay for the land and someone else’s maintenance of the land.

  • Anonymous

    i used to camp at nicatous, but the atv’s are crawling all over that lake and the trails around alligator lake.  i noticed the new Amherst Public Reserve land but haven’t tried the trails yet.  thanks for the note.  and lol on the spelling correction.  :)

  • Anonymous

    burtgreated the money for the jobs she is just wasting it.

  • Anonymous

    No, I have not. It really concerns me that he would not put out a fire “if” it were her land. I feel like there are animals and trees on it regardless of who owns it.

  • Anonymous

    If they are just going to lose access later why bother, the clubs will be better off getting new trails around now, rather than 5 years later.  Which would they rather have use of trails now in existence, or 5 years later making new ones.  

  • Anonymous

    This poll is not a scientific survey. so they whipped out the portland phone book and asked people would they accept a free gift then show the date from the 20 people called

  • Anonymous

    Also that website is pathetic i can make it in like two seconds maybe you did bangorian i don’t know but i do like the fact that org est year is 2011 thats a history i know i can trust. Also there are 98% more tree now in maine then there was in 1811 so to restore maine like the restore boston idea we would have to clear cut 98% of maine.

  • Anonymous

    Actually yes i have a school trail the runs on my property and a snowmobile trail on the front

  • Anonymous

    well thats sort of grounds to not elect them again

  • Anonymous

    I have a hunch that you do what you want on your land and are most likely making some money from it.

  • Anonymous

    use firefox or google chrome

  • Anonymous

    Seems like many that are for it are afraid to say so.

  • Anonymous

    What a PR disaster for Ms. Quimby!  Should fire whoever is advising her on traditional Maine sportsmen activity issues.

  • Anonymous

    Did not know southern ME called us rednecks. Smartest, kindest, funniest, most innovative people I have ever know live in northern ME.

  • Anonymous

    First off a forest fire is a natural occuring thing. Second off the average fire fighter lives 10 years less then the average person. Also if the fire department is voluentary no one has to show up she could pay for a team of full time fire fighters to stand by for her land and the towns benifit but she doesn’t do that. Instead she is sayng no four wheeler on her land unless its on fire which the lack of upkeep trail will make the fire harder to access. But to put it short you are going to make an enemy and then ask them to risk there live to save your idea not your life but just an idea i think not.

  • Anonymous

    The point is both would have made more money for maine but it was not in the owners hands it was in the states. and the state could make every big trail on the land a low maintence fire access road

  • Anonymous

    That is very nice of you, however, if they have permission it is not trespassing.

  • Anonymous

    I went out there last august for like 3 days and only saw like 8 people outside of my party i was with 2 where rangers i think

  • Anonymous

    No – the Republicans are.

  • Anonymous

     In truth, it is her property. Yet, it was used by sled clubs for many years. Is there any claim that can be made by the clubs for a right to use it based on the number of years it was used? Wheeling and dealing is not the answer for her quest for a park or the snowmobilers right to use the trails they have broken and groomed on property that she acquired long before she acquired it.

    Whether or not the land becomes a national park should be up to those who are most affected by having a national park. That decision is not really up to the rest of the state. It is too easy for those who live a hundred miles away to figure—why not have a national park. Nor should those who live far from the area continue to badger those who live in the area by telling them what their lives should be like.

    Even Roxanne does not live in that area though she bought it up. Why, I wonder, didn’t she buy land in the state in which she resides? Then she could be close to her national park.

    The snowmobile clubs need to proceed with caution.

  • Anonymous

    For some one commenting so much on this you really don’t know much about it.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, but modern camping facilities make reference to areas set up for motor homes.  If Burger King is the only thing you can imagine when you consider the possibilities that will be created by a national park, then sit back and watch your friends and neighbors pass you by.

  • Anonymous

    It’s incongruous to say the least for a self proclaimed conservative to advocate using the power of the state to impose your judgement of the best use of private property on the land owner. A consistently conservative approach Would be to respect the land owners property rights. You’re a suggestion is Undeniably extremely liberal..
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  • Anonymous

    “you’d hate to for people to think you’re not as smart as someone else.”

    Can anyone make sense of what this person is saying?

  • Anonymous

    I understand what you are saying. But i it came down to it I think people would put the fire out.

  • Anonymous

    property rights are not absolute.  i can not dump oil on my own ground, or run an illegal business. 

  • Anonymous

    Roxanne wants a primitive use park. Did the native americans and settlers have motor homes? Nope. So they won’t be in her park either if she has her way.

  • cougar 64

    there is no reason to have another national park here in this state.  national means federal government involvement to which there is too much already.  

  • Anonymous

    You might as well mark all those trails… “  N F G  trails”.. I think all the locals and snowmobilers know what that means. 

  • Anonymous

    me?.. far from it. I do not support her, her ideas, or her businesses

  • Anonymous

    Chrome is the key.  Thanks. Now the spiel check works.    ;  )

  • Anonymous

    we all got our health care wrecked by liberals,that did not listen, mike michaud is one of those filty moronic liberals , they probably will not listen to the resounding NO! that comes from the majority against this land grab by a spoiled little HAG! michaud is a fraud, why will voters not see him for what he is! he would sell anyone out. do not forget it!

  • Anonymous

    Oh brother. What a LOSER she is.

  • Anonymous

    When she first got it didn’t she close off all access to the land and then burned leased cabins.

  • Anonymous

    Hey don’t worry, a lot of people in western maine don’t like the park idea either. This will effect all of Maine but you guys the most.

  • Anonymous

    LOL at least that.

  • Anonymous

    Snowmobiles are mostly banned in national parks.  They are greatly restricted at Yellowstone and the pressure is getting worse.

    Most snowmobilers also have enough common sense and principles not to be bought off with promises of a “piece of the action” in an illicit agenda for Federal control.  Quimby’s attempts to buy public policy by throwing her money around are reprehensible.  There is nothing “generous” about her crass power seeking.  No decent person should have anything to do with her.

  • Anonymous

    That is true, and it would be dangerous precedent worsening the threat of eminent domain for everyone. 

    But, as odd as it may sound initially, there may be a legitimate use of eminent domain here — not for snowmobiles but to stop Quimby from transferring the land to the Federal government and prevent a Federal power grab within Maine.  It would not violate Quimby’s property rights because she rejects that property rights are valid, she wants to abolish them in principle and is playing her land to do that, and she would be improperly giving land to the Federal government in an attempt to exploit her land ownership for an illicit power grab that has nothing to do with legitimate property rights or use of property.

    The issue of the state moving to block Quimby arises because there is a very real threat of Quimby pulling a stunt to get around the law.  There is no legal (or moral) right to “give” land to the National Park Service to establish a new National Park not authorized by Congress, but Quimby and Salazar have threatened what they call “Plan B” as an end run around the law and Congress: they said she would give the land to the government then have Obama unilaterally declare it to be a National Monument, which is a de facto National Park no matter what agency is later authorized and funded to run it.

    This kind of corruption using the ‘National Monument maneuver’ has been employed previously (including the establishment of Acadia!) despite the fact that it was controversial and widely resented as improper.  The technique is an abuse of power by any president employing it because the the designation of National Monuments under the Antiquities Act was originally authorized for relatively small areas containing Indian artifacts on Federal land in the southwest, not for bypassing Congress with conversion of thousands of acres or more, especially private land. 

    There has already been a huge scandal in the west over leaked documents showing that the Obama administration has been planning massive new National Monuments in several states to lock up land.  It is a very real threat against Maine in the hands of unscrupulous power seekers like Quimby, Salazar and Obama acting in collusion.

    Senators Snowe and Collins should be sponsoring legislation in Congress to reform the Antiquities Act to prevent this kind of abuse.  They would have several allies because western states have already tried to do this.
     

  • Anonymous

    I think by human rights he was referring not to “snowmobiling” but to Quimby trying to ban most human uses and private property rights as such by flipping land to the Federal government as her restrictive surrogate from the grave.

  • Anonymous

    Honor the request of the majority of the people. LOL 

  • Anonymous

    No, you’re just not smart enough to understand that it’s her land. Go buy you own trail.

  • Anonymous

    Tic Tac Toe

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t there some other state that she can go bother? Didn’t she move her yuppie business out of Maine? Go bother that state.

  • Anonymous

    Well then quimby can give them permission then problem solved :P

  • Anonymous

    yeah have fun in florida guys (waiving) and there are already motor home place up there all you need in a power plug water hook up and a sewage hook up not that big of a thing and once again i know you love those shine tour cards but Y would they go then when they are not already

  • Anonymous

    this is maine you don’t need to travel more then 30 min out of bangor for that

  • Anonymous

    then Y is obama saying he wants to cut 1.5 trillion which he never would have said in 2008

  • Anonymous

    or save money but same thing not gonna pay thousands a year in taxes just for it to sit there and not grow me atleast some fire wood. i Wish i could get a oil/NG exploration permit up there but that is pretty much impossible with the amount of walls in the way  

  • Anonymous

    Who would risk there live for that its not easy to put out and if she is closing down the trails how to people get to the fire or around the fire to put it out they would more likely just start protecting around it making fire lines etc and let it scorch it self out it would be safer and would protect people more

  • Anonymous

    its not that easy to be open to something when she keeps closing doors

  • Anonymous

    its not that easy to be open to something when she keeps closing doors

  • Anonymous

    so then you agree with my point that she should be forced to re open the trails again?

  • Anonymous

    so then you agree with my point that she should be forced to re open the trails again?

  • Anonymous

    yum tasty animals

  • Anonymous

    yum tasty animals

  • Anonymous

    yup

  • Anonymous

    yup

  • Anonymous

    you would not any one to think that you are dumb?

  • Anonymous

    you would not any one to think that you are dumb?

  • Anonymous

    don’t think funding is the problem. The US pays alot of money in to education and gets the least back

  • Anonymous

    thanks for the assist

  • Anonymous

    Thanks.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life

    Money and ignorance!!

  • Anonymous

    Take a hike! This is one ugly weasel.

  • Anonymous

    Break out your legal dictionary now singletrack, Quid pro quo means essentially “pay to play”. Like when a business donates heavily to a congressman’s election campaign, only to get rewarded with a fat gov’t contract. Or the dubious Goveror of Illinois wants to set a premium on the senate seat vacated by our illustrious president.

  • Anonymous

    Break out your legal dictionary now singletrack, Quid pro quo means essentially “pay to play”. Like when a business donates heavily to a congressman’s election campaign, only to get rewarded with a fat gov’t contract. Or the dubious Goveror of Illinois wants to set a premium on the senate seat vacated by our illustrious president.

  • Anonymous

    Break out your legal dictionary now singletrack, Quid pro quo means essentially “pay to play”. Like when a business donates heavily to a congressman’s election campaign, only to get rewarded with a fat gov’t contract. Or the dubious Goveror of Illinois wants to set a premium on the senate seat vacated by our illustrious president.

  • Anonymous

    i stopped reading your comment when you said to use eminent domain to thwart the power of the government.

    just how inconsistently do you hold those views?  

    sorry.

  • Anonymous

    i stopped reading your comment when you said to use eminent domain to thwart the power of the government.

    just how inconsistently do you hold those views?  

    sorry.

  • Anonymous

    i stopped reading your comment when you said to use eminent domain to thwart the power of the government.

    just how inconsistently do you hold those views?  

    sorry.

  • Anonymous

    why dont you go structure your sentence and quite wasting my email space, dumb a@#

  • Anonymous

    why dont you go structure your sentence and quite wasting my email space, dumb a@#

  • Anonymous

    why dont you go structure your sentence and quite wasting my email space, dumb a@#

  • Anonymous

    no, no i don’t agree in forcing her.  absolutely not. that is beyond the scope of what government and law was meant to do.

  • Anonymous

    no, no i don’t agree in forcing her.  absolutely not. that is beyond the scope of what government and law was meant to do.

  • Anonymous

    no, no i don’t agree in forcing her.  absolutely not. that is beyond the scope of what government and law was meant to do.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Yes, and one of the people she evicted was an elderly widow whose only dream in life was to remain in her cabin that she and her husband built until the time she was taken to be with him.

     This  is only one of the stories of the camps that this witch has burned, saving one of the best, of course, for her newfound friends in the “arts” to retreat to while they “create”.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Yes, and one of the people she evicted was an elderly widow whose only dream in life was to remain in her cabin that she and her husband built until the time she was taken to be with him.

     This  is only one of the stories of the camps that this witch has burned, saving one of the best, of course, for her newfound friends in the “arts” to retreat to while they “create”.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Yes, and one of the people she evicted was an elderly widow whose only dream in life was to remain in her cabin that she and her husband built until the time she was taken to be with him.

     This  is only one of the stories of the camps that this witch has burned, saving one of the best, of course, for her newfound friends in the “arts” to retreat to while they “create”.

  • Anonymous

    no, quid pro quo means ‘one thing in exchange for another’, or more directly from the Latin ‘what for what’.

    In legal usage, quid pro quo indicates that an item or a service has been traded in return for something of value, usually when the propriety or equity of the transaction is in question.

    so…to help you understand the meaning of the phrase, Quid pro quo in politics is illegal because politicians are supposed to represent the people (ie, no vote selling).  In business, if you something at the grocery store, you experienced ‘quid pro quo’.

  • Anonymous

    no, quid pro quo means ‘one thing in exchange for another’, or more directly from the Latin ‘what for what’.

    In legal usage, quid pro quo indicates that an item or a service has been traded in return for something of value, usually when the propriety or equity of the transaction is in question.

    so…to help you understand the meaning of the phrase, Quid pro quo in politics is illegal because politicians are supposed to represent the people (ie, no vote selling).  In business, if you something at the grocery store, you experienced ‘quid pro quo’.

  • Anonymous

    no, quid pro quo means ‘one thing in exchange for another’, or more directly from the Latin ‘what for what’.

    In legal usage, quid pro quo indicates that an item or a service has been traded in return for something of value, usually when the propriety or equity of the transaction is in question.

    so…to help you understand the meaning of the phrase, Quid pro quo in politics is illegal because politicians are supposed to represent the people (ie, no vote selling).  In business, if you something at the grocery store, you experienced ‘quid pro quo’.

  • Anonymous

    nice!

  • Anonymous

    nice!

  • Anonymous

    nice!

  • Anonymous

    she is not banning human uses, but motorized human uses, isn’t that correct?

  • Anonymous

    she is not banning human uses, but motorized human uses, isn’t that correct?

  • yowsayowsa1

     Ya.

     I could use a new one.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Ya.

     I could use a new one.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Ya.

     I could use a new one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1027429683 Jason Heidi N’ Johnson

    Answer: Jerry Seinfeld.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1027429683 Jason Heidi N’ Johnson

    Answer: Jerry Seinfeld.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1027429683 Jason Heidi N’ Johnson

    Answer: Jerry Seinfeld.

  • yowsayowsa1

     DIDJA GIT ANY?

  • yowsayowsa1

     DIDJA GIT ANY?

  • yowsayowsa1

     DIDJA GIT ANY?

  • Anonymous

    She just doesn’t get it that we don’t want her ‘legacy’ with all her stipulations and we sure don’t want another National Park that bleeds red ink. This country is already in debt enough. Why don’t you buy land in some other state and leave us alone!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1027429683 Jason Heidi N’ Johnson

    Maybe I’m being a Pollyanna here . . . or maybe I’m just bucking the current trend of taking an extreme position or view and then steadfastly sticking with it instead of trying to find commonground . . . but as an avid snowmobiler, ATVer, hiker and geocacher (a man who enjoys both motorized and non-motorized outdoor activities) I still maintain there is room in the outdoors for everyone.

    I honestly believe that if Roxanne Quimby truly wanted the support of the snowmobile clubs she could/should set things up so that either the existing trails or a new trail away from any prospective hiking trails could be established in perpetuality. Should she set this up so that the snowmobilers do not have to worry about building a trail only to have her close off access in five years I suspect there are many folks — including myself — that would change their opinion about her park without being “coerced” into doing so just to have a trail for a few more years. It is her land and her right to do whatever she wants with the land . . . but these continued moves on her part are not giving many folks a warm and fuzzy feeling, a feeling that they can trust her.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again . . . there’s a lot of space out there . . . space enough for everyone to do the activity of choice.

  • yowsayowsa1

     I was thinkin maybe Sen.Henry WAXman.

  • Anonymous

    but they can force stopping of mining or oil drilling  or the lng plant that was already all set to go all would have made money why is that different the trails that make money for maine that she is closing down.

  • Anonymous

    but they can force stopping of mining or oil drilling  or the lng plant that was already all set to go all would have made money why is that different the trails that make money for maine that she is closing down.

  • Anonymous

    i mean yeah they do log part of those roads but if you go when the “crop is cut” or in growing season then its pretty calm and way calmer then acadia at any time

  • Anonymous

    super like

  • Anonymous

    I wish you’d have used it on yourself.

  • Anonymous

    I understand what you are saying.  But I think that eminent domain and what happened at LNG are two different aspects of property rights.

    Eminent domain should be used sparingly. We don’t need to wield that stick at folks so that other folks can make money.  That’s just not the standard for ED.

    I am guessing here (a bad idea in a conversation) that LNG was shut down for environmental impact reasons? 

    I think the legal standard at play in the trails vs. property rights idea is that other people’s right to make money do not supersede individual property owner rights.  in LNG, i think the standard is the common good of clean air/water supersedes the property owner rights to pollute.  

  • Anonymous

    Conlogue should be her right hand boy. He’s of the same ilk she is.

  • Anonymous

    The five years proposal was offered to the clubs along with a statement that these trails could be deeded over to the clubs. When Ms. Quimby’s plan to grant the U.S. government this land is made in 2016. The deeds to these trails could at that time belong to the clubs. Why has this deeded rights to the clubs been left out of this article? The reason this has been left out of this article is;  we are only hearing one side of a two sided story. On the other side of the room comes this point of view this  coercive label could be called negotiations. Negotiations is what two parties do when one party wants something that belongs to another party. The court of public opinion is still out and an inform public will have a better view of the issues. 

  • Anonymous

     own land at Schoodic Lake and have for 40 years and it is getting harder and harder for me to do what I want with my land that I pay taxes on. Just this summer I had to get permission to replace a 40 year old rotted set of steps. Then make sure they are no higher or wider or not to close to the road or not to close to the water damm what a deal us low life have compared to the ones who have money and can force us out of what little bit of fun in life.

  • Anonymous

    I may be considered a liberal but the idea that she has to “bribe ‘ groups in order to get support doesn’t sit well.What guarantee will snowmobilers have after 5 years.I support her right to do what she wants with her land.I’m not in favor of this proposal however.I also don’t think being liberal makes one elite any more than being a conservation makes one a “redneck’.

  • Anonymous

    def.  that point at the south end of the lake is amazing.  sandy beaches, that sand bar to swim from.  LOVE!   i don’t mind atv’ers.  most of the guys out there have kids with them.  which always makes me feel safe.   but since i prefer nonmotorized sports (paddle, hike, bike) they do make me nervous.  i have stopped going there since i saw that whole end of the point was *torn up* from tracks.  who would want to tear up that little point when there are so many quarries out there where you can rock n’ roll?  i was disgusted.  

    having said that, i’d love to have an atv!  those guys see more in one day than i will in a year of hiking.  

  • Anonymous

    I do not wonder why she has not bought land in another state.  The land in other states where there is economic diversity cost 5 times more money. Lets do the math. 

  • Anonymous

    Why is not she already paying then. I am not the one that missed the bus.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, that would be nice.

  • Anonymous

    It is time for the state to Emanate Domain the trails or stop making us register our sleds for $42.00/ year.
    $350,000,000 reasons a year why they should do this and put her “Legacy” to rest now. Then tax her land accordingly for her private playground.
    I am calling and emiling all my reps and senators on this matter to let them know my vote on this issue right here and now……………..

    OH and PS…If Quimby wants to create a” legacy” for the area re- locate Burt’s Bees to Maine and create jobs

  • Anonymous

    we are talking about snow mobilers

  • Anonymous

    Your right, but maybe she felt that this was a fair “trade”.

  • Anonymous

    Baxter’s bills are paid from a trust fund, not from traffic.

  • Moose

    Lets tell her to take her land and money and stick where the sun does not shine. Sick of  looking at that mug everytime you turn around in the BND.

  • Moose

    Its a way for her not to pay taxes on her land. That is what the rich do.

  • Anonymous

    Ms. Quimby is trying to pass this whole national park thing off as an “act of generosity”. Are you serioius? Give me a break. She obviously is trying to do nothing more than make a monument to herself. George B. Dorr she ain’t.

  • Anonymous

    I have learned my lesson!  Next time I post I will try to be more scholarly and use primary resources for my submission and hope the geek “hall monitor” does not write my name down on the grammar infraction blotter!

  • Anonymous

    It’s getting to be a no win situation.  The clubs in that area have bent over backwards to keep her happy and she has worked with them.  Now, she needs letters of support for the feasibility study.  If the park does happen, most likely, these clubs will all lose those trails. She’s saying she’ll give permission for the trail for five years because she’s giving it to the Park Service in 2016 if she gets her way. Asking them for letters of support only assures a worse future for trails in that area.  If she could/would, give them written permission for trails in  the park if it happened, this could/ would all go away.  If she really wants support for her Park, tell us what we get when it becomes a park.  If not, most Mainers won’ trust her and her tactics.

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    It’s called ” You Scratch my Back, I scratch yours.”
    It is her land, she paid for it, she is currently is paying for it and wanting to make it self-supportive, let her do it. Heaven forbid someone tries to bring something to Maine to make it better or to try and promote it’s splendor, whether it’s a Nat’l Park, a Yacht Building Company, or a friggin sign at the border.

    You people do not like Change, that is why I work at an electronics store and still have old-timers coming in for replacement parts for an A-Track player, time to update!

  • Anonymous

    Or not….

  • Anonymous

    Ok, how about something that treehuggen liberals would have a problem with, but the majority of area residents would be ok with….

  • Anonymous

    The number of visitors to the Park declined from 75,000 in 2000 to 55,000 in 2005, but since 2005 visitor use has been slowly increasing
    2005, the number of park visitors was the lowest since the 1960s

  • Anonymous

    Where is your majority….?

    Snowe has said no
    Collins has said no
    Michaud has opposed this in
    the past, and has only recently said that he doesn’t see any reason to support it

    And remember, both Snowe & Michaud are up for reelection, and most of Michaud’s supporters are conservative Democrats….

     

    .

  • Anonymous

    I think what he is saying is the same people who say “it’s her land,  let her do what she wants with it”‘  are the same people against Plum Creek.

  • Anonymous

    Drug abuse is not healthy….

  • Anonymous

    It has already been done. 
    I read that the tax rate for all the big land holders is just $1 per acre, anyway.

    It could be covered gathering fiddle-heads   

  • Anonymous

    An “A” track player?????????
    Don’t you mean an 8 track player?  Eight, you know, the number after 7.

  • Anonymous

    Which political party would you guess Ms. Quimby belongs to or has sympathy with? What about her land manager?

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    Honestly; if the snowmobile clubs (I don’t personally snowmobile – but quad all the time) want to anger her or “get around” her…why don’t they just go around the edge of her property LOL

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    the whole thing about motorized access is that for the most part people who use recreational vehicles in the woods aren’t going to destroy anything…this is land that otherwise for years and years will never see another human being. If a park is built I personally plan to boycott it…

  • Anonymous

    It’s not the use of her land that’s at issue. It is the removal of her land from the tax rolls, the pervasive presence, and the fact that a national park affects — adversely in most cases — the use of private property in the vicinity. It is the fact that federal ownership of land has historically cleared out surrounding areas of private enterprise.And now it is the fact that her mimicry of political thugs has irrevocably identified her as a political thug herself.(Follow the bouncing ball here, Disquebites. Find out about BOTH sides and you won’t have to start conversations by agreeing with other people’s confusion and  phrases like, “I nuver understood…”

  • Anonymous

    One thought….Roxy pays taxes on this property now right?  She “gives” it away to a National Park, tax deduction & Feds pay NO Property Tax right?  The town looses.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    I was refering to the exclusion of the rights of the people of the State of Maine and the US to “decide” the uses in a Federal Park that would be held to the wishes of the donor even after the donors expiration at the expense of the future owners, the people of the US and Maine.

    By stipulating conditions of use in giving it to the US Park system, she is creating an infringement on the future generations inalienable right to govern themselves.

    Kind of like buying Texas and giving it back to the US with the stipulation No Cowboy Hats!

  • http://twitter.com/Phoebe6853 Phoebe Figalilly

    Holy cow, never thought I’d see the day there would be snowballs in h*ll but today the day has come, I actually agree with Bangorian.  Yes, I’ve done all the obvious things, checked my temperature, blood pressure, eyes for dilation, breathalyzer etc and I am fine. 

    You’re correct that the Republicans are trying to cut spending while your buddy Harry Reid is willing to close down the govt over his spending bill.

  • Anonymous

    We have a long Depression to go through before anything happens.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t live in this area and I believe this should certainly be up to the folks who do live in the area, but it seems to me that she, like a lot of rich people, wants to do a little self-agrandizing here; ‘Oh look what a wonderful person I am.’, when, in fact, she is attempting to take 70,000 acres off the tax roles, thereby putting more financial pressure on everyone else. Additionally, it seems ridiculous that she gets an enormous tax break intended for tree harvestors, when she won’t allow any harvesting. Yes, it’s her land and she can do as she pleases with it, to an extent, but she should certainly have to pay the appropriate taxes. The park is a bad idea.

  • http://twitter.com/Phoebe6853 Phoebe Figalilly

    Look at it from the other side, why should people in California have to pay for a park they will never visit?  This will affect all taxpayers so all taxpayers should have a say.

  • Anonymous

    Who told this? Even though Baxter may be one of the most popular state parks in Maine, it still struggles to maintain a working budget. If not for DONATIONS, it would probably have to close or severely restrict use. Here is the park report from 2009. Funny how they very quickly skim over the budget segment in this report.
    http://www.baxterstateparkauthority.com/pdf/reports/The2009OperationalReportV.pdf

  • Moose

    That funny LOL Fiddle-heads

  • Anonymous

    Actually – there are about 20 different polls here, each asking a similar question, by different survey groups all over the State, at different periods of time.  There is nothing here to argue about.

  • Anonymous

    First of all, I’m not ‘spouting’ any more than you are, so you can calm down about that.  Secondly, there are far more voters in the urban parts of Maine than there are in towns like Brownville & Millinocket.  I agree the support for the National Park is higher in urban areas (in part because the population in urban areas tends to be more educated than those in rural areas).  Ultimately, the decision to put a National Park on Q’s land will be made by Maine voters.  This will happen.  It is not unlike windmills being installed in Lincoln.  While the small town folks in the area don’t like them, they serve a greater good and the marjority wins.  That’s democracy.

  • Anonymous

    The BDN says snowmobiling is a 350 million dollar a year industry, sounds like a legitimate use of eminent domain to me.

  • Anonymous

    sounds good to me, mind if I drop a couple oil derricks on my land too? I could use the money.

  • Anonymous

    sounds good to me, mind if I drop a couple oil derricks on my land too? I could use the money.

  • Anonymous

    Hey your Wikepedia works!
    That is exactly what I said, Ms Quimby is seeking a political result, national park status, in exchange for favors to the local snowmobile clubs (or retarction of access if they chose to defy her). It is no different than paying people to sign a citizens referendum, that would be rather problematic now, wouldn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    5 years of snowmobiling  in exchange for a lifetime of National Park? That seems a brilliant trade! Suckers @ ppl who fall for that. Don’t settle for crumbs that she is labeling a gift.

  • Anonymous

    “Quimby proposes to give about 70,000 acres she owns to the National Park Service in 2016 — an act of GENEROSITY SHE SAID SHE HOPES to be part of her legacy.”
    “The park would be nearly twice the size of Acadia National Park. Sportsmen would get another 30,000 acres north of Dover-Foxcroft to be managed like a state park, with hunting and snowmobiling allowed.”
    That’s a 100, 000 acre property “gift.”
    What’s in it for Quimby? Generous Legacy?? 
    How about reducing Estate and Gift taxes to the IRS and State based on the property value? Is it a “charitable” contribution to the United States and State of Maine. Oh, a tax deductible contribution?
    A good tax attorney and Real Estate Attorney along with a good Accountant and a Certified Financial Advisor, which of course she has all of, would come up with mucho reasons ($$$$$$$) that she would benefit from her “benevolence”. Both to her now and to any heirs that would have to pay the death tax on any “inheritance.”
    There’s a ton of stuff taxable upon death which can be avoided while living. Life Insurance proceeds  are considered gifts to the beneficiary by the Feds and are taxable income, etc.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t understand Guvnah!!!!

  • Anonymous

    LOL ,maybe you should change your name from Bangorian to BangQuimby,….. troll.

  • Anonymous

    Because this is America. Last i knew the rest of Maine was part of America.

  • Anonymous

    It won’t be her park. It will belong to all Americans to enjoy.

  • Anonymous

    That’s funny I can find them anytime I want to hike, some times you just need to go far  enough away from the tar to not hear the noise.I wonder how many fear getting lost, so never go beyond eye site  of a road.

  • Anonymous

    kids starting out don’t stay in a jobless void  they move out of State .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DTKESEJXAHGWJYWWMLONGTJTDM JohnM

    Hell no

  • Anonymous

    Hey Roxanne, looking over these comments it would appear that your “crush local opposition” plan only added to it….!

    Your minion Polstein, Donahue & Mueller are at the least caustic to your cause, and were a serious contributor to the current area boycott.

    Your project, if it happens or not, has only added to the fractured economic divide and will continue for decades to come.

     

    .

  • Anonymous

     I think it comes down to respect and honesty if she talked plainly without A hidden agenda to the locals before all the power plays and worked with them, she would have gotten further. She’s damned herself in the eyes of the people in the area now. Trust and Respect are earned up here not given.

  • Anonymous

    Put the F****** park in your back yard and shut the F*** up!!!!!!! WACKO

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure they would enjoy hating the dirtbag that sold it to her also, it’s equal oppertunity hate here

  • Anonymous

    Tell the rest of the story. Roxanne is giving the land as a gift to all Americans along with a a 40 million dollar endowment to maintain the park. She is also willing to give 30,ooo acres for hunting, snowmobiling and ATVs.  

  • Anonymous

    We might need them sooner than you think the way the corperate government is going.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like she is preparing for a job in politics… Bribery/Coercion/Blackmail (have I forgotten anything?)

  • Anonymous

    Thanks George for having the ability to see that the future of these towns can’t depend on papermaking alone.That is what got us into this mess in the first place. We can’t keep putting all our eggs in one basket.

  • Anonymous

    So ? 

  • Anonymous

    Federal control is even worse than just a “bad” idea, but the tree growth tax rate is a “current use” tax classification that is not contingent on commercial logging — only on continued tree growth under a private management plan.  Imposing Maine’s “normal” approach to property taxes would make it impossible for almost anyone to own forest land because it discriminates against land owners.  There also other “open space” tax classifications with restrictions more onerous on the property owner but which can result in lower taxes than tree growth for allowing even primitivist “public” access  — it was put in place so land trusts could exempt themselves from almost all taxes.  I don’t know if anyone has confirmed how Quimby has arranged her property taxes, but she sure has caused a lot of resentment against her.

  • Anonymous

    Frack it and your little water well, too ? 

  • Anonymous

     The National Park Service pays almost nothing in lieu of property taxes.

  • Anonymous

     That is what they want — no “human footprint”.

  • Anonymous

     Whether or not someone has a hobby with vintage tape recorders, about which you are apparently ignorant, this has nothing to do with imposing Federal control and obliterating private property rights in Maine. That is not “change”, it is Obama “hopey changey” — progressively imposing more and more social controls, which most people are on to now.

  • Anonymous

    Ya thats why our politician’s are all bought.and richest 5% and corperations don’t pay crap for taxes, why we have unfair trade agreements set against us.This how they could make an american worker train a foriegner to do their jobs, then move their  operation’s oversea’s and put the american,s family on the street.lobyists campaign contribution’s Legal or not I call it TREASON.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby has no authority to promise anything the Federal government would do.  But she will say anything in promises and “suggestions” — that neither she nor anyone else intends to keep — in order to push her political agenda.  The only thing you can trust about her is that she wants power.

  • Anonymous

    Condoning or implying you will commit theft is pretty low class.  That is why many view those in opposition to a  park’s creation rather negatively. Because you dislike someone does not give you a special right to pilfer game cameras.  Also implying that you engage in poaching is not really something one should be proud of doing. These actions are illegal and should not be written about in a positive light.I could be confusing you with another poster who claims to tresspass and poach, so if that is the case please forgive that part of this message.

  • Anonymous

    i agree with you snowsledding is a ton of fun and a way of life in Maine

    but it is a privilege not a right.  there is a big difference there.

    if she doesn’t give the land to the park service, i guarantee you that she will give it to the Nature Conservancy.  

    and as far as future generations, it is perfectly acceptable and legal to stipulate future use of your property.  people and institutions do it all the time.  

    we don’t have an inalienable right to do what we wish with someone else’s property.  

  • yowsayowsa1

     You sure read a lot into what other people post there bunky.

  • Anonymous

    understood.  property rights are property rights.

    the fundamental difference between the two scenarios regards where individual rights end and where common good begins.   Your right to snowmobile ends at her fence.  My right to pollute my property is more difficult to measure since air and water are shared by all of us; ergo, my right to pollute my land ends at your right to breathe clean air and water.

  • Anonymous

    Promoting tresspassing! Good for you. Your parental figures raised you very well improprietous behavior!

  • Anonymous

    look, from a pr level,  i don’t agree with this tactic…this 5  yr trail swap, it seemed pretty cold to me.  but honestly, i don’t even know why she bothers.  the first time somebody called me a nasty name i’d probably just stop talking and do my own thing on a private level.  by going the national park route she has at least given the region a voice.  if she hands it over to the Nature Conservancy, no one even gets a chance to speak.

    i don’t know enough about the law to make a judgement about whether her form of qpq is illegal or not.  i’m just saying quid pro quo is how exchange works, it is only illegal when it comes to political influence.  

    so ya, you might have a point.  is there a lawyer in the house?

  • Anonymous

    vote them out. i’m pretty anti incumbent myself these days.

  • Anonymous

    George Dorr did much the same thing.  Dorr and his land trust run on behalf of the wealthy “rusticators” with mansions on Mt. Desert wanted the land controlled and preserved primarily for themselves.  The notion that he and his cronies made a “generous gift to the American people” is politically self-serving myth promoted by the National Park Service and its lobby.

    In Dorr’s own autobiographical account he acknowledged that the land trust of political insiders he ran had never considered turning the land over to the Federal government until they were afraid of losing their state charter because of the revolt against them by “the locals”.  Dorr’s organization had been pushing people around for years with arm twisting, pressure tactics and eminent domain authorized by their cronies in the state legislature. 

    The local revolt against Dorr and his cronies is why Dorr went to Washington for help in insulating their political agenda from local accountability, and is why they employed a unilateral presidential decree making the land a National Monument to bypass Congress and the objections of the people.  They not only got the control they wanted, they arranged for a phony legacy of “generosity”. 

    The entire history of the National Park Service is full of corruption, raw power plays, and insider connections, all kept hidden behind the scenic props and a massive PR campaign.  It is all very cynical.

    Quimby is herself a Washington insider personally collaborating with Interior Secretary Salazar, NPS Director Jarvis, and the National Park Service lobby to take over private property in Maine under a plan concocted in Washington decades ago as a strategic priority.
     

  • Anonymous

    “If Quimby wants to create a” legacy” for the area re- locate Burt’s Bees to Maine and create jobs.”

    Quimby sold her interests in Burt’s Bees to the Clorox corporation for hundreds of millions of dollars in order to have the money to impose her political agenda on Maine people.   She doesn’t want an economy in Maine, she wants the land under Federally imposed wilderness.  She is a real power seeker and a very sick woman.  That is her “legacy”.

  • Anonymous

    “Could be”?  Quimby wants millions of acres of private property taken over by the Federal government as wilderness.  She hates snowmobiles and so does the National Park Service and its lobby.  BDN has promoting Quimby and Restore for years.  Its advocacy articles “leave out” the history of, and ongoing, insider corruption and the devastating impact of their political “vision” of unaccountable bureaucratic control over people in a massive government imposed conservation area.

  • Anonymous

    There is a lot of space for all kinds of activities but no room for Federal control.   Trying to get the Federal government to carve up the state and promise people who go along a “piece of the action” if they go where they are told in this corrupt, coercive wilderness agenda is not a solution to anything.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, they all do not want any public land yet they want land owners to pay taxes and manage their land for the  public’s (i.e. snowmobilers and ATVers’) use. “Private land for public use,”  seems to be their mantra. The ATVers and snow mobilers (self proclaimed ”real and true sportsmen”) don’t like what Quimby is doing (you can read on this messageboard post after post) and because of this they say the clever saying ”ban Roxanne.” True Americans! If you dislike someone they should be removed from an area and blocked from owning land. It has stated on a number of occasions her land should be compulsory acquired to keep trails open for all terrain vehicles.  It is sad that this article about a snow mobile trail possible closure should attract so many posters. Maybe they should use this topic in public schools here in Maine to get students to write and better their english skills.

  • Anonymous

     Quimby isn’t ignorant.  She knows exactly what she is doing and is getting a lot of political advice from her cronies in Washington DC.  Mistakes of this magnitude are not made innocently.  This is deliberate and carefully planned.

  • Anonymous

    The national park would also have a trust fund or an endowment that would pay the bills too.

  • Anonymous

    And a  ” 40 million dollar endowment to maintain the park “ 

    So let look at the numbers there,   at the current tax rate of $1 per acre,  $ 70,000 per year, is less than 2%  of $40,000, 000 …  

    THEN how much does the State spend on tourism advertisements per year ? 

    I ask because that is needed to even big to value the benefits of the National Park Service suggesting that you can visit the two biggest National Parks east of the Mississippi, with a visit to Maine,  plus  two huge State parks, because Maine really IS different than where you live. 

    C’on Downeast, and go up North, too. 
    Priceless.  

    Now let’s look at it a different way, the big objective is the State losing the tax of $1 per acre per year, on seventy thousands acres… or even 100,000 acres , may-be,  right ? 
    Isn’t that $1 per what the big land holding corporations pay ? 

    So, invested at 5% interest per year, just to keep the math  simple enough for conservatives to follow,  that means if the supporters of a park raised ONLY $2 million, given in trust to the State, the taxes are covered, forever…. especially,  given how conservatives will never raise taxes, again. ROTFLOL. 

    Mickey Rooney says: 
    Hey, Julie Garland,  we could put on a show, or two,  …. in Bangor alone, and raise a quarter of that, easy. 

    How hard would it be to do Nationally ? 

    In light of how easy it is to solve what the anti-park people say is their main (MAINE ???) objection,  I have to think that the grumps and gun nuts need to come clean about how their real issue is that they are habitual trespassers, on the big Paper Plantation, and have been for so long that they their think that their habitual criminal trespass is their God given right. 

    Oh, and BTW don’t  European corporations  still need, carbon tax offset credits ? 
    Can’t they be deed to the State ? There, tax problems solved. What’s the Flat Earther’s second best argument, beside reactionary, anti-individual property rights and some really odd socialist notions  ?

  • Anonymous

    She cannot “do anything she wants with it”.  Owning a gun doesn’t give you the right to shoot someone because the gun is your property.  Quimby has no right to use her land to impose Federal control in Maine.  No one has the right to change the form of government and her land doesn’t give her such a right.  She owns land within a government jurisdiction.  That does not give her a “right” to create her own alien occupation in collusion with the National park Service.

  • Anonymous

    Read the rest of the post.  It would not be a taking of private property rights, only a prevention of Federal control over land that would no longer be hers anyway.  I oppose using eminent domain to take Quimby’s land as long she continues to own it as private property, no matter how stupid her policies.

  • Anonymous

    I’m for the park and it would be much closer to me in East Millinocket then you in Brownville Brian. There are people here that support the park study. You’d be surprised at the amount of support she has in the area right near her land.

  • Anonymous

    LOOK, so your saying that if someone called you a nasty name you would just stop talking??

  • Anonymous

    And it’s the right of every
    taxpayer to object when during a runaway liberal tax and spend administration,
    which just happened to be coming dangerously close to another depression, to
    object to another unfunded taxpayer liability.

     

    Its sooo easy for the current
    administration to say cut social security, let the postal service die, and gut
    the military, all in an attempt to balance the friggen budget….

     

    Got a wake-up call for you—
    Quimby Land isn’t gonna happen,,, its election season, and Democrats, Independents
    and Republicans alike aren’t going to support any candidate that even seems to
    be supporting this…!

     

     

    .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    When  she gives it to the Government it belongs to the people not to her!

    When you die the land claims you!

  • Anonymous

    I think that her agenda is what she says it is.

  • Anonymous

    Literally, yes, walking is “human”. But such a narrow interpretation drops the context.  Restricting access to a relative handful who have the time, resources and inclination to spend days or weeks hiking through wilderness that no one else can get to is not “human use” in any normal meaning of the phrase in civilization.   She is reducing “human use” to its meaning for primitives tens of thousands of years ago.

    Our objection here is not to a property owner’s use of his land in accordance with a desire for a natural landscape, but Quimby’s misanthropic “vision” of millions of acres kept off limits to civilization because it is human civilization.  She started out as a 60s counter culture “back to the lander” living in deliberate poverty for years.  Now that she is wealthy she is buying up as much land as she can get her hands on in order to prevent camps, roads, practical recreation, homes, logging or any kind of industry.  She has said she knows that even with hundreds of thousands of acres she is limited in how much of this she can do herself, and wants the National Park Service to do the rest on “ten million acres” or more — “the sky’s the limit” as she put it.

  • Anonymous

    Who is Julie Garland?

  • Anonymous

    Interesting observation on what these people are who are posing as “ordinary” snowmobilers in a deceptive political campaign.

  • Anonymous

    What town?

  • Anonymous

    Quimby did not personally shut down the mills.  Her mentality did through the actions of the viro pressure groups who share it, constantly harassing industry and progressively imposing more and more controls and taxes that have been driving industry and investment out of Maine for decades.  The viros are the Anti-Industrial Revolution.  The mills are not a ‘dying industry’, they have only been targeted for murder.  The wood products industry and the mills remain a major portion of the Maine economy. It would be great news if the Koch brothers could come in to help fight the viros.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UHD3CCKZKPE2LXE2WCBWJ6CGWM Julie

    So what. Its worthless land. Nobody lives that far north. Plus to many flies.

  • Anonymous

    Judy’s sister from Bangor..  Julie in the sky ? …. think about it Julies are plentiful ,
    but Judy is not a popular name so much any more,  is it ?  Thanks…. 

    So what your opinion on the real points, April ?

  • Anonymous

    This comment is incoherent.  It appears to be trying insinuate great riches bestowed from Federal intrusion while smearing opponents and ignoring all the reasons for rejecting Federal control and the sordid history of abuse by the National Park Service in Maine and all over the country.

  • Anonymous

    If Bruce wants to “gaslight” he should come up with better material.

  • Anonymous

    I thought blackmail is illegal in this country

  • Anonymous

    There is a website that lists and describes her board.

    Roxanne Quinby is a vegetarian and believes in treading lightly on the planet.

  • Anonymous

    People forget that Maine residents get free access for day use only. Camping and nonresidents have to pay

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    I know it is an 8-Track Player, ever hear of sarcasm. I was making a play on words because many Mainers, sorry, I mean Mainahs, come in looking for A-Track Players.

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    “Federal Control and obliterating private property rights…” Exactly, private property, which means she should be able to do with it as she wants. How would you feel if you wanted to sell some of your land to a family down the street, but the people in your neighborhood all huffed and puffed and tried to stop you from doing it.

    Whether she has an ulterior motive or not is not the issue, the issue is that it is her land, not the ATV operators, not the people from the area, not the Forestry Industries, it is hers. She has a plan to develop it into something and make it pretty-much self-sufficient.

    But all you people can do is talk your anti-government bull and not come up with one, truly  viable reason against her plans.

  • Anonymous

    I think the park is a win/win. Land for recreation, which makes money for the state and draws tourism dollars. Conservation for the wild Maine woods and it’s animals. A park for people of this Country and the World to enjoy. Business creation which creates jobs and tax revenue. Real Estate would be sought after. Sort of like a snow ball effect. This would be great.

    I wish some could think outside of the box.

  • Anonymous

    I like your “park hopping” idea.

  • http://katahdin.myopenid.com/ FrankC

    You’re correct – she first increased the long time leaseholders rent significantly, required high amount of  insurance with her as the beneficiary, and several other issues , if I recall.

    My opinion was that the group that sold her the land was at fault, but obviously her deal was with leaseholder grandfathered. If there were more leases I’d expect that they would have sued and probably would have won.  For so few leases, she should have let them have continued.

  • Anonymous

    Bad policies toward business did not start with Quimby. Maine’s poor business climate drove Quimby’s company and jobs from Maine. The problem with Maine’s economy is much deeper than environmental standards.  

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is working with aliens now!!! She has the men in black and alien help, the odds are against you this time ewv. I know you have taken on the national park lobby by yourself before in DC but are you really prepared for the onslaught  of the environmentalist extraterrestrials?

  • http://katahdin.myopenid.com/ FrankC

    I just don’t understand why you can’t understand that SS is bankrupt !!   Then I’d agree with you !! LOL  

  • Anonymous

    Ahyup, facts and reality sure are  incoherent to some. 
    So once the the tax argument is deflated all you have left  is slander and personal attacks. 
    We all are impressed. 

    You go,  girl.  

    LOL 

  • Anonymous

     You wrote, “Ya. I could use a new one.”   in response to april4321 post, that Quimby should install spy cameras on her property. I took that to mean you would take them if she put them out. That would be theft, at least I think it would be. Sorry I misunderstood.  

  • Anonymous

    Finish the story,it is not quite a 40 million endowment, 20 with another 20 coming from others. The 30,000 is just trying to get people to be fooled, which I see a lot are.

  • Anonymous

    I could easily same the same to you. Interesting to see information finally came out of the Medway meeting after what, two weeks? hmmm maybe they like to keep under wraps.

  • Anonymous

    The Federal Government has the final say.     
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    …and so far, the Fed gov hassaid “thanks, but no thanks.”

  • Anonymous

    well she has been at this about 20 years, I think. She has already has some in Medway thinking her way, so maybe she is trying to wittle away.

  • Anonymous

    The national park would also have a trust fund or an endowment that would pay the bills too.     
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    Do you have written evidence of this?  Who is “funding” the trust fund or endowment?  What happens when the interest on the endowment doesn’t pay the operating expenses?

  • Anonymous

    I agree, and having heard, really heard  the concerns of those that that can’t compromise as matter of their personal values, say it is about taxes, have I not address that ? 

    What is the current State and county  tax income from the the Quimby land holdings, to give her land in the unorganized townships,the same respect that  is given to Maine’s own, Prentiss and Carlisle, and all the other out of State corporations, just  like them ? 

    ISN’T  the solution, if the bigots lies are to believed, to  just replace that State income ?  

    Should be.  

    So must I  apologize for being just like the the conservatives ? 

    Is my nastiness, in daring to state it plainly,  not  just a pre-emptive strike, and it shouldn’t it be  taken as a compliment to my conservative brethren in I that should emulate  their approach ? 

    LOL

    So adults, do facts matter any more or not ? 
    If so, how big a  trust fund is required to replace the ALL tax loss, FOREVER, that some pretend is their is their only major concern ?

  • Anonymous

    Because it will have modern camping facilities, paved roads, handicapped accessibility, well marked and built hiking trails, glossy pamphlets describing the geography and forest areas, restaurants on the way……..
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    ooooooohhhh, GLOSSY PAMPHLETS!!  Well, that’ll bring in MILLIONS of people!

  • Anonymous

    You can do anything with your land you just have to jump through the hoops.     
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    …then you REALLY CAN’T do what you want with your land.

  • Anonymous

    Uh, yeah…. there’s sort of a big difference between the traditional act of trespassing (illegally entering residential or commercial property or small patches of posted land) and harmlessly traveling across an existing road or trail on a vast uninhabited expanse of forest that is owned by an enviro-nut – gates or no gates.  If it was a working forest or farm land or if it had some commercial value, then maybe…. but even the paper companies have always allowed full access, and Quimby’s got nothing up there.  She actually hurts the economy in Northern Maine by limiting the options of snowmobilers, fishermen, etc…

  • Anonymous

    did you have an orgasm when you wrote that?

  • Anonymous

    that’s funny!

  • Anonymous

    no r’s allowed or 8′s

  • Anonymous

    Why would anyone believe “Anything” Quimby or her minion spew, they lie…
    http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=135873

    Their own base says National Parks are in danger
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejO6c3iw3bg

    And most of all, there are very few in Northern Maine that trust Washington not to skrew us
    http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm

    Quimby began this project and her minion lied that it was even happening-
    Her orginal intension was more than a million acres, then it was 70,000, now its 100,000-
    When it came out, her minion chastised anyone that questioned it-
    Since Quimby’s visit this summer, she has blackmailed the snowmobilers, had her supporters hound town officials and even got Ken Salazar to lie about not being invited….

    Yup, I’d say Quimby has proven she can’t be trusted…!

     

    .

  • Anonymous

    Depends how much you donated
    to Obama…

  • Anonymous

    Maisoui04765, I can see your point, but if Quimby wants this “wilderness” kind of property with extremely limited use, with the intent to “return it to a non-human interaction forest”, then if Mother Nature ever strikes, shouldn’t she let it burn?  Even National Parks had a long-standing policy on forest fires of  ‘let it burn’.  It’s nature taking it’s course.

  • Anonymous

    She can make it into a park, its her property….that is “HER” Private Park. Just let her keep it and pay taxes on it. If it is private and not used for agriculture….tax her accordingly, she bought it, Now let her share her wealth along with Warren Buffet!

  • Anonymous

    we are talking about snow mobilers     
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    YOU were talking about ACCESS.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder what she does pay in taxes?

  • Anonymous

    Seriously, That would be a great idea, But she won’t…..!

  • Anonymous

    If its in tree growth, not much…

  • Anonymous

    ACESS for
    SNOWMOBILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go argue with someone else. I am not the one, trust me.

  • Anonymous

    I suppose you think your post is different from all other post? All the same stuff over and over just said in different ways, its a joke. no one will ever change your mind on this issue and vice versa! Have you ever seen anyone change their opinion on an issue because of a post or comment on a BDN story? Of course not! Most (Not All) comments on this stuff is from egotistical nuts with nothing to do. Two days and hundreds of comments on this story and for what? Nothing has changed. If you would like to change things put away your keyboard and go get it done and save us all from this embarrassment. I am for no comments at all!!

  • Anonymous

    Hey!  I voted for Ross Perot!

  • Anonymous

    ACESS forSNOWMOBILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!***************************************************
    actually, bangor66 brought up access in order to fight any fires that may  occur on the property, and you responded that you don’t think she wants to deny access.  It’s perfectly natural and acceptable to bring up the fact that Ms. Quimby forbid all access to her land to the leaseholders and also destroyed their real property (buildings) in order to show what her ‘track record’ is.

  • Anonymous

     bet the jobs will pay more than 11.00 bucks an hour.     
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    depends on what kind of jobs are available in the Park.  A Park Ranger is a GS-4, so it pays about $13. an hour.  But, the U.S. govt. wants 6 months experience working as a Ranger or in a related field in another Federal job.  Of course, they will accept 2 years of college in which your major is agriculture, law enforcement, natural sciences and the like.  My Dad is a retired civilian employee within the U.S. Defense Dept., so I know it is difficult getting into a Fed gov. job.  If this Park is built, there is NO guarantee that all the jobs will go to Mainers, let alone residents of that immediate area.  When I worked for the State Prison system and we opened a new prison, we hired 75% of our staff from the other 25 prisons in the state.  You want and NEED experienced staff, rather than all new people.  Oh, and the U.S. Park Service—many of the employees are seasonal, as the turnover rate is extremely low.  The Park Service itself advises potential employees to apply for the seasonal jobs because the full-time permanent positions are rare.  There’s one good thing about the seasonal jobs, though.  It gives you the experience necessary when applying for a full-time permanent position.

  • Anonymous

    Your rambling, incoherent sneering insults, smears and arbitrary claims of the “value” of a National Park takeover are not “facts” and do not address the objections to imposing Federal control — which is intended to engulf millions of acres, not just Quimby’s 70,000 acre “seed”.  That the National Park Service pays almost nothing in lieu of property taxes is not the worst of its problems.  Quimby throwing her money around trying to buy government policy with “endowments” and bribes is disgusting.

  • Anonymous

    Golfah didn’t say anything about landowner’s rights, he/she SAID that Quimby treated the leaseholders poorly when she gave them all two weeks to remove their camps from the leased land.  She could have been compassionate and given them a reasonable amount of time.

    stop jumping to conclusions…all that stress will give you a heart attack.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks George for having the ability to see that the future of these towns can’t depend on papermaking alone.That is what got us into this mess in the first place. We can’t keep putting all our eggs in one basket.     
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    Oh, I agree that Millinocket and East, Medway, Grindstone, etc., can’t depend on papermaking alone—but I’m curious—exactly how many NEW jobs do you think this Park will produce?

  • Anonymous

    These speculations of utopia spun out of your imagination are tooth fairy economics making false promises on behalf of a tyrannical political agenda you have no right to impose on anyone.  Tourism is no replacement for a productive private economy.  Federally restricted “wild woods and animals” and “the World” are not the standard for our choices. None of it is an excuse to impose Federal control, wipe out the natural resources economy and destroy private property rights and a way of life that people happen to like without your intrusion.

  • Anonymous

    “Compromise” does not mean giving you what you want, nor is there any justification  for “compromising” away our rights to your Federal control.

  • Anonymous

    Some people are soooo angry, and some are just nuts!

  • Anonymous

    Your going to have a stroke if you don’t calm yourself down.

  • Anonymous

    Looks like a feasibility study is in order.

    All those that say we don’t need a park, put your money where your mouth is – where is the new business in this business friendly environment?

  • Anonymous

    This scheme to replace private property in Maine with Federal control is not new.  It was contrived in Washington in the 1980s as a strategic priority for the National Park Service.   It has been systematically rejected in Maine for good reason since it was first promoted.  The National Park Service has a record of abuse in Maine and all over the country.  Rational people do not willingly subject themselves to that.  That Giarratano thinks this rejection in defense of private rights is “bull” makes him a dangerous threat.

    Quimby’s “plan” is to bypass the popular rejection of the the Washington agenda by throwing her money around to buy public policy and the imposition of Federal control.   She wants to impose wilderness “eco-system restoration” and eliminate private property rights through the device of a National Park Service takeover.  Politically playing her land is intended as a “seed” and a “down payment” for millions of acres more of other people’s private property.  We don’t have to guess.  She has said so. 

    Quimby’s money and land ownership do not give her the right to change the form of government in Maine to Federal control and permanently eliminate private property rights across millions of acres.  No one has such a “right” and her land ownership does not give her such a “right”.

    If Quimby keeps her land in her own ownership she can do what she wants with it, no matter how batty her and Restore’s misanthropic “vision” of wilderness “eco-system restoration”, but she has no “right” to impose National Park Service control — with or without her planned cancerous expansion of what she calls a “seed”.
     

  • Anonymous

    Well, don’t take out your hate on me.

  • Anonymous

    It’s these arrogant power seeker’s usual contemptuous mocking and taunting of their victims.

  • Anonymous

    so many accusations, so little time

  • Anonymous

    umm, it’s her land. she can do whatever she wants with it…
    ***************************************************
    that’s a fallacy.  Private landowners are constrained by the laws and ordinances enacted in their town, county, state or territory.   Although there may not be statutory laws preventing your desired behavior on your own property, there may be moral laws against it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cmynewworld Brian Curry

    Actually, that is Socialism dressed in Democracies clothing.  :)  In reality, we are a REpublic, and there are certain protocols that are being ignored.  First, you are putting the betterment a one group in front of another.  There is a very fine line in Visitor Use that is either a benefit or a detriment.  That is something that needs to be looked at closely.  Second, there is a bit of a Thug mentality to her approach.  If she is going to try and sway people to her point of view, then perhaps she should who how it will be a betterment to EVERYONE, not just some environmentalists in larger cities that are far away and simply want to feel good about having the IDEA of a park.  It is not a benefit to people, it is simply a benefit to their egos.  Sorry Bangorian, it appears as though YOU are wrong.  ;)  

  • Anonymous

    In truth, it is her property. Yet, it was used by sled clubs for many years. Is there any claim that can be made by the clubs for a right to use it based on the number of years it was used? Wheeling and dealing is not the answer for her quest for a park or the snowmobilers right to use the trails they have broken and groomed on property that she acquired long before she acquired it.
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    research the deed.  search for a R.O.W.  I believe you are thinking of “squatters rights”, but that would apply to those people who had camps on the leased land of the paper co’s before they sold to Ms. Quimby.  I do this type of research now for a living, so if you are looking for actual help, let me know.

  • Anonymous

    This is a non-responsive smear typical of ‘lepageman’.

  • Anonymous

    Well, don’t take out your hate on me.     
    *************************************
    what hate?  You’re not that important  for me to waste time and energy  on”hating”.   Why the accusation?

  • Anonymous

    Viro restrictions, not “standards”, are a major part of the destructive statism of Maine government. The misanthropic ecologism excusing the oppression is the most corrupt in principle of all of it.  But it’s ironic that an anti-private property collectivist like Quimby did in fact take her business out of Maine because of the taxes and controls.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Conalogue has a lot of nerve talking about wedges and division.

  • Anonymous

     What is the status of the other 9,000 acres?  Where is it and who owns it?  Does she have options on it?  Are there inholders?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    By reading through your bitter parcels of burned out nowhere I’d say you are eager to see nothing but the preservation of a dead end. 

  • Anonymous

    Eminent domain has been used extensively by the National Park Service for the Appalachian Trail.  It’s part of the long NPS record of abuse of private property owners.

  • Anonymous

    There are a lot of liberals who oppose National Park Service power.  Any normal person is appalled when learning how that agency has seized homes, lands and businesses and over how it wields power and manipulates people in its attempts to expand its scope and power.

  • Anonymous

    The way she is throwing her money around trying to bribe people and buy public policy it isn’t buying her any respect either.

  • Anonymous

    Your veins are popping out!

  • Anonymous

    But in a way we do – we trust her to be just as destructive as she appears to be and has openly threatened.

  • Anonymous

    Who else can you blame?

    My intrusion? I do not interfere with anyone’s property rights.

  • Anonymous

     The NPCA National Park System Plan also targets the western Maine mountains.

  • Anonymous

    I have noticed that pretty much nobody on this board wastes their time on you.

    Good thing that you think that you are important, ha!

  • Anonymous

    That line is right out of the PBS Frontlines documentary exposing the National Park Service For the Good of All http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm. 

    Sacrificing a minority to the alleged “good” of the collective is morally reprehensible and is not what this country was founded for.  In this country the “public good” consists in the rights of the individual, a principle applying to everyone.

  • Anonymous

    right in your face

  • Cathy Lane

    It is her land until it becomes a state or national park. It doesn’t matter what kind of attempts she makes with it.

  • Cathy Lane

    Welcome to politics. At least this bribe isn’t to gain by being greedy. She is actually giving something in hopes that everyone gains. Unfortunately, people are used to politics where no one gains other than a large corporation or a relatively few that pays to have a politician elected and used as their pawn. It may be coercive but at least it is openly so.

  • Cathy Lane

    You really need to look up your facts.

  • Cathy Lane

    This is not an argument, it is a fallacy. More people go to McD’s than to gun shops, maybe there should be no gun shops.

  • Anonymous

    Restore and the Sierra Club have been hiring political activist consultants to do push polling tied to their campaigns for decades.  They sell their agenda as if a National Park Service takeover were a year round scenic vacation raining money on people in an effortless Garden of Eden utopia.  They don’t tell people about the political reality of the National Park Service record of abuse trampling civil rights and what they intend to do to the people who live and work in the area targeted.  When people know what it means they do not support it. 

    That is why this scheme to take over millions of acres of private property in Maine, hatched in Washington DC 25 years ago as a strategic priority for the National Park Service, has gone nowhere despite all the agitation and big money promotions from the pressure groups and their insider connections.

    The bizarre claim that people support a National Park takeover when they are more “educated” is more insulting, condescending, arrogant nonsense from political elitists with no concern for other people’s rights and values.  The more educated people become about the National Park Service’s own history hiding behind the scenic props the less they like it. 

    If some majority of people wanted a National Park Service takeover of rural Maine it still wouldn’t give them the right to impose it on a minority.  The rights of the individual preclude gangs from “outvoting” him like a pack of wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for dinner.  Viros don’t care about other people’s rights.  They want the land and they want the owners out of their way.

    Viros appeal to urban areas because they know that many urban people do not understand or know much about the rural parts of the state and do not know or care about the abusive restrictions intended to be imposed.  The well-heeled, politically connect viro pressure groups know that an isolated targeted minority has few resources to fight back and contend with the viros’ cynically dishonest PR campaigns.  The pressure groups do this all across the country for everything from National Park takeovers to onerous state land use prohibitions on private property like the infamous Audubon/DEP ‘bird habitat’ scam in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    funny

  • Anonymous

    The National Park Service is certainly not something you want as a trusted participant in your way of life, but they are not selling the Grand Canyon for oil drilling.  There are privately owned mineral mining claims on Federal land miles outside the Grand Canyon area.

  • Anonymous

    This arrogant mentality condoning denying the rights of the minority is oppressive.  As a factual matter National Parks are established by Congressional authorization, not a statewide “vote” to impose Federal control on a minority in the state.

  • Cathy Lane

    You all got your panties bunched over a study? Who cares? Let the study happen. Maybe it will prove her wrong on its own. Maybe it will prove you wrong. I think you are more afraid of being proven wrong than anything. There is nothing in the study that will make it a reality. It may be a step closer to her goal or it may trash it. I think that if you don’t think it is right or feasible you may have just as much to gain from this study.

  • Anonymous

    They ought to be embarrassed to be associated with such an oppressive agenda.  The arrogant activists are pretending to be intellectually superior and occupying some kind of moral high ground.  They are a pack of morally reprehensible power seekers.

  • Anonymous

    This failed political agenda for the National Park Service to take over millions of acres of private property in Maine was concocted in Washington a quarter of a century ago and has gone no where for good reason.

  • Anonymous

    It is not legal for a private individual to give money to the Federal government and tell it what it has to spend it on, nor should it be.  Combining private wealth with government power is fascism.

  • Anonymous

    There are a lot of liberals who oppose National Park Service power.  Any normal person with any concern whatsoever for civil rights is appalled when learning how that agency has seized homes, lands and businesses and about how it wields power and manipulates people in its attempts to expand its scope and power behind the scenic props.

  • Anonymous

    This is a baseless statement.  “Elite” is supposed to mean anyone who is exceptional at what he does, but usage of the term has been extended to cover an opposite meaning of power seekers who think they are superior to and entitled to control others.  In the latter sense it is the NPS lobbyists that are the politically arrogant elitists demanding to impose their political agenda on those who own the land they want for an alleged “superior” purpose they have divined and feel entitled to impose by force.

  • Anonymous

    A National Park Service New Area “feasibility study” by Federal law presumes the political desirability of the agenda and only considers how the National Park Service would manage the area and the desirability to the National Park Service.  The National Park Service already has an agenda to take over millions of acres of privately owned land in Maine.  It is a strategic priority in the The National Park System Plan compiled in the 1980s by the National Park Service’s private lobby arm, the National Parks and Conservation Association, in collaboration with the agency and the big park pressure groups like the Wilderness Society.

    Their agenda for Maine has already been studied to death.  The National Park Service takeover agenda for private property in Maine has been rejected for good reason across the state for decades.  There have already been several government sponsored “studies” with the Northern Forest Lands Study and the Northern Forest Lands Council that tore apart the state and disrupted people’s lives for years at a time.

    The notion that this would be an objective “study” is a farce.  The campaign for a “study” is a strategy intended to build political momentum for a preconceived outcome in a politically self-serving government run “study” on its own behalf. The “study” is itself exploited to manufacture credibility for the agenda in a national media campaign by the well-funded, politically connected park pressure groups, just as they have done previously.  This is nothing more than pressure group activists coming back again and again to try to get what they want despite the opposition of the victims they have targeted. 

  • Anonymous

    This is a personal smear by Cecil Gray, a Big Park activist who frequently engages in such personal attacks in comments on articles.  Eugene Conlogue has a lot of courage for standing up to these activists.  He has correctly identified the “divide and conquer” strategy consistently employed in the cynical new park and park expansion politics by the pressure groups trying to buy off and split up those who resist or might resist them.  Obviously that is exactly what Quimby is doing.  She is throwing around a lot of money for this and is consulting on political strategy with her Washington insider cohorts who have been doing this for decades.

  • Anonymous

    Your imagination running wild about what you claim other people you don’t know anything about are personally doing is just as subjective as the rest of the arrogant viro dismissals of knowledgeable rejection of its oppressive agenda.

  • Anonymous

    Cecil Gray is an avowed statist and arrogant promoter of National Park Service control over other people.  His pattern of argument is to incoherently personally smear his intended victims who dare to speak out against his campaign.  Yet these pressure group activists condescendingly pretend to be intellectually and morally superior.

  • Anonymous

    Your imagination running wild about what you claim other people you don’t know anything about are personally doing and their physiological state is just as subjective as the rest of the arrogant viro dismissals of knowledgeable rejection of the oppressive agenda.

  • Anonymous

    The Federal control by the National Park Service you are trying to impose on other people destroys property rights.  The National Park Service has a long record of eminent domain and population displacement.  Quimby openly acknowledges she is trying to eliminate private property.

  • Anonymous

    April4321 has a wild imagination she repeatedly employs to make things up and to smear people while evading the content of what they write.  These park activists are such anti-intellectual arrogant little tyrants that they think anyone who dares to reject their demands must be “nuts”.  They seem to have difficulty conceiving that the people whose land they covet have the intelligence and right to decide to keep what we already own without their interference.

  • OldWench

    This situation is just sad at this point.  This woman, whose heart is absolutely in the right place, appears to want her legacy, and what she is remembered for to be conservation of land, to ensure that many generations to come get to enjoy the wildlife and nature by being able to observe it and leave it untouched.  There is nothing at all wrong with her wanting to do that.  I can almost see her thinking about her endeavors before all the publicity.  She probably thought she was doing a huge favor for Maine and that the state would thank her, appreciate her efforts and support her.  She probably never imagined she would get such a negative reaction.  She probably didn’t realize the building animosity towards people “from away” who snatch up all the waterfront property and then close it off to locals so that they can no longer access areas all prior generations enjoyed freely and respected.  That angers people from Maine.  People who hunt, fish, hike and snowmobile are justifiably concerned this is now happening with woodlands.  

    Quimby would get support for her national park if she also created a snowmobiling and fishing park and put in a few rustic cabins to rent out.  She could appoint or have the town elect a board or committee to manage the park and maintain trails and cabins using money raised from cabin rentals.  I can understand if she doesn’t want to allow hunting if she is morally opposed to hunting…but she would gain a lot of support if she also wanted to build a park that was more geared towards Mainers than towards people who live in cities and just want to visit the woods once in a blue moon.

  • Anonymous

    ?!

  • Anonymous

    actual ive seen some loggers out there last year maybe thats what they where doing

  • Anonymous

    actaul it was shut down due to a scare ad campaign in maine that caused a vote for maine to decide not to issue the permits. the 98% of the pollution from that plant would have techincally be on the ocean so maine would have zero say in that any ways. but a lng tanker puts a 1000 times less sulfur in the air then a diesel tanker and if you have two ideas that seem on opposite end because opposite mindset want them  

  • Anonymous

    sure

  • Anonymous

    lol right

  • Anonymous

    and mcdonalds are every where just saying the average city gun shop has more people visiting it then baxter now why is just mking it bigger gonna make that much of a difference

  • Anonymous

    right problem solved right there no more angry mainers

  • yowsayowsa1

     Apology accepted.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Apology accepted.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Apology accepted.

  • http://twitter.com/StillPointArt StillPointArtGallery

    Quimby wants her national park to be her legacy, but, should it ever happen, her methods of achieving it will be her legacy. For years she has opposed snowmobiling on her land, but now, when it suits her purpose, she will permit it–under conditions that are insulting and demeaning to the people of Maine. Yes, she can do what she wants with her land, but my hope is that Mainers respectively ignore and decline her wishes. Snowmobile clubs…don’t agree to this…stand up to her.

  • http://twitter.com/StillPointArt StillPointArtGallery

    Quimby wants her national park to be her legacy, but, should it ever happen, her methods of achieving it will be her legacy. For years she has opposed snowmobiling on her land, but now, when it suits her purpose, she will permit it–under conditions that are insulting and demeaning to the people of Maine. Yes, she can do what she wants with her land, but my hope is that Mainers respectively ignore and decline her wishes. Snowmobile clubs…don’t agree to this…stand up to her.

  • http://twitter.com/StillPointArt StillPointArtGallery

    Quimby wants her national park to be her legacy, but, should it ever happen, her methods of achieving it will be her legacy. For years she has opposed snowmobiling on her land, but now, when it suits her purpose, she will permit it–under conditions that are insulting and demeaning to the people of Maine. Yes, she can do what she wants with her land, but my hope is that Mainers respectively ignore and decline her wishes. Snowmobile clubs…don’t agree to this…stand up to her.

  • Anonymous

    Well then, I can see why you paint with a broad brush. I do it too. Would like to stop . Because right now, national polls are showing that congress has an expremely low approval rate..Obama’s approval rates are low too. It is time for US to come together and see that our problems are the system. No single party will fix US. We have to stop accusing and see where WE have commonalities.

    I read the most popular progressive websites. None of them speak well of our democratic leaders or president. It has been said leading the democratic party is like herding cats. I am proud that WE think independently.

    By the way, I have heard one very active progressive say that they liked Pat Buchannan. Which is odd..But I have liked him a lot in the past..it is the commonality. He did not think WE should go to war with Iraq. And has stood for the working man. There was one Ron Paul sign at the occupy wall street  demonstration that I saw. He is another man who is better liked by democrats for his wonderful stand on the Federal Reserve. He could probably win the presidency, but the republicans just hope he would go away.

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    It’s amazing, there is already a National Park and part of a National Forest in Maine. Ever hear of Acadia and the White Mountains?

    These areas are even dependent on these parks, and don’t tell me otherwise. If Bar Harbor didn’t have Acadia, it would fall into disrepair. It’s no different then the people that complain about a college in their town, like where I live in Machias, if it wasn’t for the University here, this town would have died decades ago, no mills, no wood, etc.

    How many resorts and ski areas are in the White Mountains? How many people thrive off the land, “Controlled” by the National Park Service?
    It’s nothing more then a bunch of ignorant, self-centered, stuck in reverse, PARANOID BULL…
    The Government is not trying to take over the state, big brother is not watching your every move, the little old lady down the street isn’t going to steal your identity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    Paranoid?

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    Paranoid?

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    Paranoid?

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    Two phrases for you, Acadia NATIONAL PARK, and the White Mountains NATIONAL FOREST.

  • Anonymous

    The national park in Maine’s north woods started in the 30′s .  Thats why Gov. Baxter worked so  hard to get the state park going was to keep it  from becomeing a national park !!He didnt want the federal goverment owning so much land in Maine !!!                                                                                                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percival_Proctor_Baxter

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    How about we all do this. Instead of arguing like children, let’s put aside our personal feelings and get to the point.
    Can either side here give any “REAL” reasons for/against this?

    No Paranoid, anti-government rhetoric, no personal bashing, jsut true, honest-to-goodness facts. (And not facts taken from Wikipedia or some “UNQUALIFIED” quote on some unknown webpage, just the facts.

  • Anonymous

    That was just the intrest off the 20 million she was  sititting on to use for the park , So in all rights she’s not giving 20 million !!!

  • Anonymous

    You’re one smark cookie think12! I’ve said the same thing in past messages. I guess posting on the BDN messageboard is just a way of blowing off steam. I am aware nobody really cares what we write, it is just entertaining and beats watching TV on down time. Some folks do post a lot, guess they have lots of free time. If they want to spend their time that way I am not going to put them down for it. If you are for no comments on an online paper why do you read them and post replies? Anyways, thank you for being an avid reader of my post even if we do disagree.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby can’t be trusted, she has proven that-
    The feds can’t be trusted, they have proven that-

    Negotiating “anything” with either Quimby, or the Feds is not worth the paper it would be written on, nor establishes a defendable platform.

    “If” Quimby wants to establish a private park, then more power to her, but not a National Park that would be saddled on the backs of the US taxpayer…!

    .     

  • Anonymous

    Then the state needs to give back Baxter and the money that came with it…If it’s good for one it’s good for all.

  • Anonymous

    Avid reader of your post? Like I said “Egotistical Nuts”

  • Anonymous

    Wrong Gumby, the wedges and economic divide is caused by Polstein, Donahue & Mueller, and they are a direct contributor to the current area business boycott. These same people made it real clear “that they have the complete support of everyone in the chamber of commerce” (BS)

    This economic line in the sand was caused the day they attacked town officials. These businesses that were involved have already seen a drop-off in business, and the discomfort to have to travel only means that we will just get a better product selection and price from stores in other communities.

    Quimby’s Park project, if it happens or not, has only added to the fractured economic divide and will continue for decades to come.

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