Controversial Elm Terrace development gets OK at $265K per unit

Posted Dec. 11, 2011, at 5:52 p.m.
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The head of the Maine State Housing Authority has approved plans for a low-income housing complex in Portland for $265,000 per unit, roughly $50,000 below an earlier cost estimate that has sparked a political showdown with state Treasurer Bruce Poliquin.

Dale McCormick, director of MaineHousing, said Sunday evening that she signed a letter of commitment with the developer late last week to construct a 38-unit Elm Terrace complex after the developer managed to lower the costs from $314,000 per unit.

“It has been approved to go forward and that happened because they found the $50,000 in cost savings that we said they had to find,” McCormick said.

McCormick said her agency first demanded the reduction back in September and never agreed to pay the developer, Community Housing of Maine, $314,000 per unit. That figure has become a political lightning rod in recent weeks, however, with Poliquin citing the per-unit cost as proof of irresponsible spending and other problems at the state agency.

Reached Sunday night, Poliquin said he remains concerned about the cost of the project even at $265,000 per unit given the demand for affordable housing in Maine.

“It is my contention that the best way to do that is to be as cost-efficient as possible, to reduce the costs of every apartment to that we can get more people into those apartments,” Poliquin said.

In many ways, the Elm Terrace project has become another front in the battles in Augusta over government spending, affordable housing and political control of powerful positions.

Located at 66-68 High Street in Portland, Elm Terrace would be built in a historic building owned by the University of Southern Maine that would be renovated for the purpose. The complex would feature 38 units available to low-income families, defined as earning between 50 percent and 60 percent of the federal median household income.

The project would be financed primarily with federal tax credits, with MaineHousing awarding the credits to the developer and acting effectively as the underwriting agency.

But the project’s price tag has irked Poliquin and others nonetheless, who argue that even federal tax credits are paid for with taxpayer dollars.

Even at the lower figure of $265,000, each unit at Elm Terrace still far exceeds the $159,000 median sale price for a single-family home in Maine — a point that Poliquin has hammered home in speeches, on talk-radio shows and in his blog.

Consistent with his pledge to be an “activist treasurer,” Poliquin has been sharply critical of MaineHousing and McCormick, in particular, since early November. He also noted Sunday that MaineHousing has approved renovating other historic buildings for affordable housing with per-unit prices of $292,000, $284,000 and $272,000.

“There have been five years of very expensive projects in historic buildings that have been approved,” Poliquin said.

McCormick, other MaineHousing staffers and the agency’s supporters, in turn, have accused Poliquin of repeatedly spreading misinformation or making incorrect analogies to present a distorted picture about the agency, even after being given correct information.

McCormick’s supporters also accuse Poliquin of using his position on the Maine State Housing Authority Board of Commissioners to pursue a political campaign against her. McCormick was appointed by Gov. John Baldacci, a Democrat.

“I welcome the support of the board on cost control,” she said. “I don’t know why animosity has been injected into the debate. I don’t know why MaineHousing has become the target because we have been working on this.”

McCormick said there are reasons why affordable housing complexes cost more to build, and she insisted it is inaccurate for Poliquin or others to compare multi-unit complexes to single-family homes.

For one, these low-income housing complexes must meet a litany of federal code requirements for safety and handicap accessibility — including elevators — that don’t apply to single-family homes. Additionally, McCormick said it is inaccurate to compare the costs of a single-family home in rural Maine to a prices in downtown Portland, where the median home price is nearly $220,000.

Asked why MaineHousing approves projects in comparatively pricey Portland, McCormick said projects are often targeted for areas based on both need and available services to the residents.

But she said MaineHousing has taken numerous steps in recent years to lower per-unit costs. Those steps include capping the amount of tax credits that can be applied to each unit in order to get more units per dollar, imposing stricter per-unit caps on developer fees and lowering the required number of 3-bedroom units.

“All I know is I have been working on cost control since 2005 when I was first appointed,” she said.

In his criticisms of MaineHousing, Poliquin frequently points out that more than 6,500 people are on the waiting list for so-called “Section 8 vouchers” for subsidized housing. But MaineHousing officials countered that Section 8 vouchers are part of an entirely different federal housing program and that those eligible for vouchers would not qualify for placement in complexes like Elm Terrace because of the narrow income requirements.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/laplants Seth Laplant

    What a deal. 

  • Anonymous

    This is INSANE!  How much per square foot are these units costing?  A lot of people lining their pockets if this happens.   Buy raw land  and put up some FEMA trailers and call it good!

  • http://twitter.com/TMacmillanME Tom MacMillan

    As an actual Portland resident and neighbor of the property, I am very excited to see it  finally redeveloped and put to good use. Maine benefits by strengthening Portland and building more affordable downtown housing is a great investment. The 49k savings per unit is even better.

  • Anonymous

    How ridiculous, A tent with a wooden floor at the cost of $200.00 per unit would be plenty sufficient especially when a whole lot of the rest of the world gets nothing to sleep under.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q4AP5EYCYRCGZGIJGWI6TLIUEA Tom

    Dale McCormick…kinda says it all. A liberal, Baldacci regime, out of touch bureaucrat who feeds at the public trough. Classic!

  • Anonymous

    It’s easy to sign a contract when they are wasting taxpayers dollars. You could build each one of them a house for less than 265,000.00!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t even know where to begin… lol

  • Anonymous

    Hey Portland: see the article about using shipping containers: I’m pretty sure they can build for less than $265K/unit!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4UDTWMPKI35IE47KZU6WOMVFFY David

    Im thinking about $50k per unit world work How many sq/ft you can build a basic house for under $100/ sq ft I can’t afford a house worth $265k and work very hard

  • Anonymous

    Is the developer a secret? Why isn’t the developer named?

  • Anonymous

    Lot’s of people getting rich off this scam.

  • Jay Ellingsen

    You’ve got to be kidding me! Oh, social justice advocate. That explains things.

  • Anonymous

    Good work Dale (and everyone at MSHA).  I’m glad to see someone standing up to bully tactics.  The facts on this were sacrificed the moment certain people decided they wanted to make a political point.

  • Anonymous

    The redevelopment authority managing the conversion of Brunswick Naval Air Station is about to release hundreds of units of housing….everything from newly renovated town houses to single and multi-family residences for an estimated price of $149,000.

    Time for LePage to kick some butt over at Maine State Housing and get their priorities straight.

  • Anonymous

    I was thinking the same thing but I am late to the party and you beat me to it.

  • Anonymous

    Its so easy to spend someone elses money. What a joke, 265,000 dollars for what I’ve heard are 1100 sq.ft apartments, you do the math

  • Guest

    My mortgage would be paid off with $65,000, which would help 3 of us, if only Maine Housing could do the job for $200,000 for the needy and pay off my mortgage, I would have $500/month to give to my local businesses.

    By the way a $265,000 mortgage fixed for 30 years at 6.25% is $1631.65 per month(taxes and insurance NOT INCLUDED)

  • Jay Ellingsen

    At least Portland will have a really cool old building renovated, and a few lucky people needing a roof over their heads will get one. Oh and it’s not state dollars. It’s federal “credits”. Whatever federal credit is. Like the federal government has money to burn, and none of us pays federal taxes. Oh yah, 42 percent of us don’t.

  • Anonymous

    Planet Earth calling Tom…..affordable? At $265,000.00 a shot?!?!? That is nothing short of insane! Surely you jest!

  • Anonymous

    Do you have any idea of what maintenance and depreciation is like on a trailer or poorly built building?  Cheap buildings are not cheap in the long run.  Never mind the transportation costs for exporting poor people to the fringes of a community where land is cheap (and I’ll completely ignore the social issues that come with that idea).  Redeveloping in-town is the best choice.  It may cost more upfront, but over a twenty year period it will save us money.

  • Guest

    I did the math see above, how do we fix it?

  • Anonymous

    Who thinks “someone” is lining their pockets? Those pockets are already full…

  • Guest

    I did the math see above, how do we fix it?
    ****************************************
    Hire the same contractor that built a three-unit in downtown Portland with all sustainable products, using renewable energy sources for heat and power, and all high-end energy-star rated appliances—all for $140./sq.ft.

  • Anonymous

    So who foots the bill for the building of these apartments and who foots the bill (mortgage) when people move in?  The reason I ask, even in Portland how is $265,000 low income?  This is subsidized housing correct?  My wife and I make good money (twice the average) and would never ever consider buying a house at $265,000, especially for 1100 sq/ft.

  • Anonymous

    It’s time that just because the government is involved the fee is increased to a ridiculous level. Seriously, $265K for an apartment! I’d love to build these for $100K apiece and still make a hefty profit!  

  • Anonymous

    Where can i get my tax credits

  • Guest

    Don’t forget the repair costs when the “tenant” moves out.  silly me those tenants don’t move from Maine, they call their relatives, from everywhere and tell them to move to Maine, the housing is delightful, downtown, near the ocean, social services, hospital, meth clinic, included cable, cell phone, bus rides, food, the only thing no day at the beach, (YET, keep voting those Liberals in to office, we’ll get there.)

  • Anonymous

    Hey, guess who the first person to fill their pockets with cash will be? Guess again, its you, that is if you’re actually a citizen of this state. The property is currently owned by the Univ. Of Maine and a good chunk of the project’s cost is for the land.  So the first funds made off this deal will go to the Univ, which is ultimately owned by the citizens of this state.

  • Anonymous

    This project is an egregious waste of taxpayer dollars.  It is pure crap that going expensive saves money over the long haul.  I know of an apartment complex that was built to meet condominium standards recently sold for about $100,000 per unit in southern Maine.  Unless the units are made out of concrete, you are going to have normal wear and tear.  I am not advocating cutting this type of funding but using the dollars more thoughtfully.  At $265,000 per unit you could be helping 2-3 times more families find safe and comfortable housing.  What a waste! 

  • Anonymous

    Get rid of them all.
     Totally useless.
    No excuses.

  • Anonymous

    I can appreciate that because of all the government rules it would cost more to build these units than one would expect, but at $265K per unit it is hard to believe we are not being fleeced.

  • Anonymous

    When is our governor going to get rid of Dale McCormick? She wastes more money than we can handle, last one I knew of was subsidizing alternate energy for private apartment owners… get rid of her!!!!

  • Anonymous

    U-Hauls would be a whole bunch cheaper still!  I am having a hard believing that even the new price is affordable.  Maybe my house is a bit old and could use some things, but it is mine, and not one red cent of anyone else’s money is in it.  

  • Guest

    This is wrong. It makes no sense on so many levels. First off after it is built it won’t even be worth a fraction of the building cost. Someone is padding someone’s pocket big time.

    Could have bought 12 single family homes for the price of one apartment in some area’s of Maine for that price.

  • Guest

    ……

  • Anonymous

    I have no idea of where you are from, but I don’t think it’s Maine…..we don’t spend that kind of money on regular housing, and the low income people are getting these….

    You might change your mind once the neighbors of the property actually move in.

  • Anonymous

    “For one, these low-income housing complexes must meet a litany of federal code requirements for safety and handicap accessibility — including elevators — that don’t apply to single-family homes ” BINGO! The federal government is involved, any time that happens the costs go through the roof. Now remember all of the government paper pushers who are involved in this project. Their costs are not even calculated into 265K figure.

  • Anonymous

    Oh Boy! Now I can turn around and pay for it with my Federal taxes!

  • Anonymous

    Well said!  That amount of money could help many more families in need, IF sensibly spent. 

  • Anonymous

    Not to mention that in nearly every section 8 housing complex, the buildings get run down and turn to a ghetto. Why, because the inhabitants don’t give a damn about the structure, they won’t take care of it because they don’t own it and know that when it turns to s**t the state will give them something better.
    I say this is BS. 

  • Anonymous

    No one has said it yet, so I will.  UNION.

  • Anonymous

    As luck would have it, the article below this one deals with converting shipping containers into living quarters. 
    Therein lies the solution. Disband the Maine Housing Authority. Contract with the CEO of Snap Space Solutions and let him build affordable housing for the section 8 crowd. Of course the liberals and nay sayers will claim that type housing is beneath the dignity of the section eighters, which is bunk.
    They want cheap housing, there is the answer.

  • Anonymous

    In Central Maine families & friends are having to move in together because they can’t afford heat or lights for all to stay in their own homes.  Yet there is money like this available for low-income housing? 

    Until common sense rules in state and federal government, what chance has this state and this nation got to recover & prosper?  Oh wait, someone is prospering with the housing deals these past 5 years.

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to Capehart. 

  • Anonymous

    You can never too rich, too thin or too blond. 

  • Anonymous

    Like to moan just to hear yourself moan?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    “All I know is I have been working on cost control since 2005 when I was first appointed,” (McCormick).. said.

    ********

    Judging by the salary increases at MSHA since she took over, it’s clear McCormick needs to review the actual meaning of the phrase “cost control.”

    During fiscal years 2005-2010, MSHA salaries rose at a rate that was TWICE as much as the increases at the MTA during the same time period.

    http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=17315419&msgid=174597&act=QDCN&c=1014540&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fmaineopengov.org%2Fpayrolls%2Fstate-housing-authority%2F
    MSHA Payroll data, obtained by the MHPC via FOAA filing.

    The data shows that in the past five calendar years (2005 – 2010) total payroll and benefits costs of Maine State Housing Authority employees grew 30% — from $7,119,528 in 2005 to $9,370,550 in 2010. Current MSHA Executive Director, Dale McCormick, took over as head of MSHA in 2005.

    http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390266_290743084297852_100000864896496_793679_2008605855_n.jpg
    Graph showing payroll increases at MSHA 2005-2010

    ——————

    Coupled with the other expensive congregate housing projects over the last five years, McCormick’s reign at MSHA has been anything BUT “cost-effective” and spending-controlled.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Unfortunately, Baldacci appointed her to the position, and she isn’t up for replacement or re-appointment until 2014.

    MSHA operates with public money, but the public has very little control over what they do.

  • Anonymous

    This is why the state and country are in such a mess. We are going to spend that much money to provide housing for people that I the tax payer could never afford. They talk about taking from the 1%, they are robbing the middle class to pay for this. I could never afford a house like that even though I work two jobs and my wife works also. This just tells me to sit on my arse and do nothing and let someone pay my way. This is out of control. Do these people not see how people are struggling to make ends meet and then spend our hard earned tax money like this?

    I hope the Governor is seeing this, who are these people, how can they keep a straight face? Can these people be fired?????

    Anyone see the story about the new business in Brewer that makes buildings out of old shipping containers? May be our tax money could go to a new start up business that can produce housing at a much lower price.

    Kind of reminds me when the old water works dam in Bangor was rehabbed for low income housing. Everyone who would kill for a nice river view raise your hand. I thought so…

    Merry Christmas!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    I bet you could find 38 homes in the Portland area for sale at far less than 265,000. Why not boost the real estate market and get some people out of a bad mortgage by puchasing the homes with these federal dollars and making the upgrades needed for the tenants?
    But that is not how government works. Once the government creates a program and funds it, the money can only be used for the narrow purposes of the program. So if the federal government has a program to build more affordable housing, the only way you can get the money is by building new, “affordable” housing that meets all the federal codes. It doesn’t matter if the money could be used elsewhere…

  • Anonymous

    Just did a quick search and found 101 homes for sale in Portland for 250,000 and under….

  • Guest

    No you couldn’t have.  Cost of new home construction is $150.00 per square foot.

  • Tyke

    Unionized businesses are not a requirement and are only involved occasionally in Maine Housing projects.

  • Guest

    And who is going to pay the property taxes on those…people needing low-income housing.  Yeah right.

  • Guest

    I was not talking about new construction, and I do know what I am talking about.

  • Guest

    Yep, did you check what the percentage of increase in the number of people applying for low-income housing since the 2008?  Would you think MSHA would need more people on salary to handle those requests?

  • Guest

    That’s right. MHA does operate with public money…Federal money. So not just Mainers paying for this low-income housing.

  • Guest

    Yeah, right in downtown Portland: where they can walk to work and not need public transportation.

  • Guest

    Try to take into account.  Law across sprawl, historic building, removal of asbestos and lead paint, put in a garage on the bottom floor.  And, oh btw, try $150.00 a square foot to build a house.

  • Anonymous

    expensive might not save money but built well built to appropriately serve a specific purpose yes. because I know someone who got a deal on a used caravan doesn’t mean that’s what we should be buying for our state troopers or game wardens

  • Anonymous

    How come low income gets better housing than middle class, and where is the motivation to get off of the system in these circumstances?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    How many people could have been kept from freezing to death this winter?

  • Anonymous

    at 50k per unit in portland all you got was the dirt, maybe hooking-up the utilities with another 10k now keep on going

  • Anonymous

    if you would have made it to the 4th paragraph “Community Housing of Maine”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    I wonder how many people will freeze to death this winter because government has no idea what they are doing with money. Why doesn’t everyone stand around a trash can burning one dollar bills and take turns shoveling the bills into it to keep warm.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    You can’t use logic in situations like this, it will hurt peoples feelings.

  • Anonymous

    I knew a section 8 neighborhood, where the state made houses for these people. Some get rundown, and others end up loosing their homes anyway because they cannot keep it, and middle to upper middle class started moving in and then started complaining about their low income neighbors and their habits.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    It is getting that cheap?

  • Anonymous

    and it would have cost twice as much in some parts of mass. but its not in either place

  • Anonymous

    That does not sound like a low income price tag

  • Anonymous

    The middle class get shipping containers the welfare get mansions……….. I agree though, why should welfare live better? Where is the motivation to get off of the system?

  • Anonymous

    get use to it, she likes to leave out 2/3′s of the facts

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    There is some state money involved, as well.

    Regardless — it’s public tax dollars. The public has a right to know what MSHA is spending that money on, and whether the money is being used cost-effectively.

    It shouldn’t require a Freedom of Access filing to get salary information for MSHA.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Maine is full of people with no sense of shame at all, these type of things will never end in our lifetime, what is the point in getting angry. We all need to just smile a little bit more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    There is no mandate to use an old building. MSHA could have built new, or sought a different facility to rehab – one that wouldn’t have been as cost-prohibitive.

    You must be an employee.

  • Anonymous

    Wickenheiser repeats the false comparison that Poliquin has used so effectively:

    You cannot compare the cost of new construction to the purchase price of an existing building.

    How many of you bought an existing house (like I did)? How much do you think it would cost to rebuild it, just like it is now, should it happen to burn to the ground?

    Those of you that have insured your house for just the sale price may want to call your broker tomorrow, and ask to increase coverage for replacement cost.

  • Anonymous

    Oh no, there is a sand beach in walking distance on the Eastern Promenade, and there is a nice paved walkway to get there too. They have that too.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, I know engineers that work in the Portland area and cannot afford housingrice that price and many live two to three hours away or more from work.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    It only takes $10,000,000 to buy about 76 votes which is about  $132,500 per vote, good deal for the politicians buying them with the taxpayers money.

  • Anonymous

    “Congratulations to the 35 families who will make this their home,” LePage said.

    Gilman Place is a 35-unit apartment building that was once Waterville High School and has been restored to historic standards.

    The developers submitted plans to the National Parks Service and State Historic Preservation Office, which approved the plans. That triggered release of a $5.8 million equity investment in Low Income Housing Tax Credits by the National Equity Fund, and $2.2 million in State Historic Tax Preservation Credits by Coastal Enterprises.

    The project received $245,000 in Community Development Block Grant money issued to the city and $1.7 million from Maine Housing.

    http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/Gov-LePage-attends-opening-of-affordable-housing-complex_2011-05-11.html

  • Anonymous

    Would you consider putting in a three-stop elevator, sprinkler system, NFPA 101 compliant fire alarm system, make everything ADA compliant, include an office, mail room, trash room, and storage -

    in your house?

    No, I didn’t think so. What about parking for 35 cars, site lighting, etc.?  Two egress stairways serving all floors?

    No?

    How about removal of asbestos? I ask because asbestos mitigation was part of the Elm Terrace project.

    You see, Elm Terrace is not like your house. It is a public building, and so must be built to different standards.

    Lastly, how much do you think it would cost to build your house today?

  • Anonymous

    I understand your  ’rationale’ for buying a ‘Mercedes’, but the fact remains you are asking taxpayers to support housing that most of them cannot afford for themselves. In the end, I believe this hurts the effort to provide clean, safe housing for the poor, elderly, and disabled. (One more example of runaway government spending?) I believe limiting the per unit cost to an amount close to the median home price,  is a reasonable first step in retaining public support for these worthy objectives.

  • Guest

    Subsidized properties need to be cost effective and the cost needs to make sense. This is not the best bang for the buck. That amount of money could have helped many more people.

  • Guest

    Sure, that makes it ok, lets build more at this low cost.

  • Anonymous

    That’s a developer? It sounds like an agency to me!! 

  • Anonymous

     $265,000 per unit..  wow..  i want to become poor so I can upgrade my standard of living….  I’ll take granite counter tops.. with gold faucets on all sinks, oh yes…  two full size bathrooms with hot tubs… and sauna… almost forgot..heated floors too…  let me see..   I must have about $ 140,000 to go…. ummm    how bout a new car to go in the new garage….  down to $100,000…    and you wonder why the rest of us in this state are becoming poor….   looks like the contractor makes about $100,000 per unit……  As a tax payer…  I would like to see the break down for this project….

  • Anonymous

    My question is, why is the state doing this.  I know in small town Hanover/ Lebanon, NH that private companies haven been building condo’s/townhomes/apartment, etc and while doing so also have to have a certain amount of the units they build be available at what is considered low income.  Why wouldn’t you direct these projects to the private sector?  Or is this what is happening here?

  • Anonymous

    Neither does $265,000, does it?

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t they have used a fraction of this money to buy forclosed or for sale homes within and outside city limits?  Are we to assume the people that will live in these apartments have zero transportation?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    There are people that exist in Maine that will not see your point, they have no fiscal responsibilty because they work for the government or depend on the government. Your money means nothing to them because they do not earn it, stop wasting your breath on people that live with self imposed retardation.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    You have to build new expensive dwellings because the people getting this housing would complain if it were not new, they would find it unacceptable and throw a tantrum, being Bipolar. It is only us people with a sound mind that would work for a living that would accept less. Go figure, the people that support this stuff hate people that work hard for a living. We get kicked in the teeth for working and sneered at when we complain. Get back to work and shut up!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Regardless of what you think of Section 8 tenants, this is not Section 8 housing, it is affordable housing. Different income guidelines entirely.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    You have to build new expensive dwellings because the people getting this housing would complain if it were not new, they would find it unacceptable and throw a tantrum, being Bipolar. It is only us people with a sound mind that would work for a living that would accept less. Go figure, the people that support this stuff hate people that work hard for a living. We get kicked in the teeth for working and sneered at when we complain. Get back to work and shut up!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Because our federal government decided a long time ago that preserving our heritage was important, and so we rehabilitate, rather than destroy historic buildings.

    There’s a reason why people go to European cities and find them so beautiful — it’s the old architecture. They think further ahead than we do, I guess. I find it great that these tax credits exist, that we place value in our past, rather than destroying it to put up stale new construction in its place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    A quick use of Google would show otherwise.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    In Piitsfield some tards had there relatives from Balamama come here a dropped them off at the homeless shelter to get them in the system and off their hands. Couldn’t stand them living at their place so they dumped them on the state. Maine the way life should be if you are a lazy bum.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Except their gas tax, payroll tax, cigarette tax, federal excise tax…

  • Anonymous

    but 265k per unit (that mean per apartment) is insane!!! understandably there have to be sprinkler systems, and the new smoke detector/alarm system, as well as ventilation… but these are exorbitatnly expensive!!!! that’s almost twice the cost of my house!!! rediculous!! someone is not pinching pennies building “low income” housing for a quarter million a unit!!! I’d expect that for more of a high end condo, not a low income housing (means bare essentials… 1-3 bedroom apt with1-bathroom, kitchen, and living room.. that’s it!! that’s all my house has!! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJEUWEYRHIPWV3PTTWWNUZ2CTQ mcmaineacjam

    People seem up in arms that this is taxpayers money going out. Maine Housing guarantees loans for the financing. The agency building the units need to pay Maine Housing back. When they rent to low income people, they can only charge so much no matter how much the units cost to build. The more it costs to build, the less apt the agency is to make money off it. Of course, these are non-profits not out to make a buck but to provide a needed service. The State is not building low-income housing, if they were involved, I’ll bet the price tag would be higher. Some one has to do it, and if they are willing to make less money doing it with a more costly building, they might be poor businesspeople, but they are not stealing taxpayers’ money.

  • Jazz11

    Poliquin misrepresented findings, just as he did during the election.

  • Anonymous

    Better yet, the container houses that have a story in this same paper today.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Governor LePage,
      As a duly authorized Sidewalk Superintendent , I request that the under qualified,
    overpaid staffers , McCormick and Poliquin at MAINEHOUSING be fired immediately for completely mismanaging the department and costing the State of Maine untold millions of dollars.
      Their  actions over the last several years are based on deception and misrepresentation and border on theft.
    We can no longer afford to have them on staff.

    Respectfully,
    Joe Sikkspaque

  • Anonymous

    This Is a ridiculous waste of tax payer money. Money I might add we do not have. There surely must be lower cost units that are already available. I can’t afford to live in a 265.K lifestyle home, so why should people that won’t be paying have the right?

  • Anonymous

    What a huge waste of money.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OPAW6MFKY2SIYUQYNRYFVIR3V4 Retiree

    I have never seen such disregard for spending than this.Take the total of that job and how many houses could you buy here in the County? How many mobile homes could you buy? These people are out of CONTRO.L

  • Anonymous

    265,000 for a unit? This is insane…. I wish my Meager home was worth 265,000. Ild sell it to the state and move the hech out if here.

  • Anonymous

    Affordable to who? What would the incom guidelines be? 100,000.annual income?

  • Anonymous

    If you can afford to move into this housing go buy your own house . Why should I finance you home?

  • Anonymous

    Let them buy a single wide Mobile home.

  • Anonymous

    Do the math.

  • Anonymous

    Even at 149,000 .You can Buy and own youself a double wide for 50, less.
    000 

  • StillRelaxin

    Stop drinking from Bruce Poliquin’s cup of fuzzy math and it will all become clear that “this” state agency is actually doing very well with our tax dollars.  Of course nothing would be good enough for people who would just as soon toss the poor and displaced out into the streets or house them in reinforced cardboard boxes that they wouldn’t keep their family pet in but that’s a subject for another story on human decency. Any one who’s followed Mr. Poliquin at all knows he likes to lie with numbers for his own gain. His behavior is even more shameful than those who simply don’t care. We need to rid ourselves of him via our vote, and simply pray for the rest.

  • http://twitter.com/bobmaynes Bob Maynes

    Wish I could afford to build a $265K house, but I’m too busy working for a living. Visited one of these projects a few years ago (Brick Hill near the airport). Beautiful high end apartments, or so I thought. When I learned that they were Section 8, I about fell over… I guess when you’re spending OPM (Other People’s Money), cost is no object. Great that the developer could pull $50K out, just like that. Maybe Maine State Housing should have told them to pull out $150K.

  • http://twitter.com/bobmaynes Bob Maynes

    Exactly, what we achieve too easily, we value naught!

  • Anonymous

    And How log will the feds keep paying before they cut out.

  • Anonymous

    Till they go broke too.

  • http://twitter.com/bobmaynes Bob Maynes

    Yes? And we’ll see that money how? and when?

  • Anonymous

    One of obamas idea’s 

  • Anonymous

    Where they can step out to their Mail box and pick up their welfare checks .oops forgot they get direct deposit.

  • Anonymous

    Sell your home for 265,o00. and move to Mass.

  • Anonymous

    That’s why I like helping out a buddy once in a while when home improvements are being done. It’s always more fun to spend his money. I don’t have to worry about whether or not to buy a 200 or 500 dollar sink. why should I care, not my money.

  • Anonymous

    no shelter, no need for heat.

  • Anonymous

    Just how do they sleep at night ripping us off?

  • Anonymous

    And why not buy a foreclosed house with that 132.500.

  • Anonymous

    Dale, it’s time for you to head down the road and across the Kittery bridge –  and take Trish Riley with you.

  • Anonymous

    You must be on crack. I worked in the moble home field and they are more than sufficient Houseing for far less money.
     

  • Anonymous

    The prices here seem way too high! Why do we need to provide low income, section 8 or affordable housing in the first place. My wife and I wanted a decent home that WE could afford, so WE both WORK to pay for our home. Amazing concept, isn’t it?  If times get tough, we get tougher and cut our spending to make up for it, not stick our hand out for freebies from the state.

  • Anonymous

    I’m assuming this project is bid out, so I have to think it’s the requirements that drove up the cost. I’m all for preserving historical buildings, but why not offer tax credits to private developers for this property, while building low income housing somewhere else (cheaper). Brunswick Naval Air station is a great idea: only a 30 minute commute to Portland.

  • Anonymous

    I own a 3 bedroom home near Portland. If someone offered me $265,000 I’d take the money and run.

  • Guest

    Doing the rehab enables MaineHousing to get tax credits, which were created by legislators, not MaineHousing. 

  • Anonymous

    do what math, is the property owned by the university or not

  • Anonymous

    how about when the sale closes. do you think one way or the other they’ll come knocking at your door

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    Great, another place for the state to store their drug addicts, methadone users, and welfare bums. I will bet they plan to put up a methadone clinic close by like they did in Bangor also. 

  • Anonymous

    cool aid

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Let people on LIHEAP freeeze to death, this is your answer to why granny can’t get her heating oil. Someone that you could ask to see you next Thursday is in charge.

  • Anonymous

    Supposedly your house should cost no more than 3 times your annual income. So, Governor would have to nearly double his daughters salary just so she could afford low income housing. Where is the Governor on this?

  • Anonymous

    What is the cost per square foot for each? The $265,000 sounds like a lot of money the tax payers have to flip. Something isn’t right.

  • Anonymous

    That is absolutely perfect. Land probably $15 to $20k more per unit in Portland, the building costs slightly higher and Lepage is praising this project at what, $285k per unit.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    This lady is a government hack or someone on the government dole, telling us to eat it and shut up. Why thank you missy for putting us working stiff in our places. Maybe you could have fun kicking us in the teeth while we work to pay for this, we deserve it for complaining.

  • Anonymous

    on the surface, to a causal observer maybe. do some real reseach and you’ll find different. if you think its that easy, start your own development company

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    No!!!!!!!!! You must work for a living and use some common sense during your daily activities, stop that and say “Sir, may I have another:.

  • Anonymous

    “ He also noted Sunday that MaineHousing has approved renovating other historic buildings for affordable housing with per-unit prices of $292,000, $284,000 and $272,000.”One of which is Gilman Place,  blessed by the then Mayor of Waterville and now Governor of Maine.

  • Anonymous

    “Additionally, McCormick said it is inaccurate to compare the costs of a
    single-family home in rural Maine to a prices in downtown Portland,
    where the median home price is nearly $220,000.”

    If you can buy for 220K, why are we building @ 265K per unit?  Furthermore, why do these units have to be in downtown Portland?

  • Anonymous

    Here’s the answer:
    Read the article just below this one. 
    Shipping containers turned into living quarters. Perfect solution and I would guess one third the cost.

  • Anonymous

    And where would you put the mobil homes? Get a grip. It’s easy to sound off but until you’ve done the work in this field, your ideas are just an idea that hasn’t been proven.

  • Anonymous

    100K annual income would be in the ball park. A house should be no more than 3 times your annual income. The lowest income should be near 90K.

    Furthermore, it states in the article that the median house in downtown Portland is 220K, so shouldn’t low income housing be less than the median?

  • Anonymous

    Read the story. 
    This is not section 8… its income qualified for folks like most Mainers who are earning less than $50K.  

  • Anonymous

    Because Big Guy.. Most folks who earn $50K cannot afford to get into the real estate market at its current medium price in Portland of $220K. As to why you should help finance affordable housing.. because its the right thing to do or else get your big ego self out and take on the mighty bankers who control the lending industry and drive up the price of real estate.

  • Anonymous

    Again… this is not section 8 housing. Section 8 housing is for renters, and this is whole different conversation about social strata and how we house the very poor. This story is about selling affordable housing to working individuals who qualify and make less than $50K / year. 

  • Anonymous

    Yes, it does seem high, but the truth is, construction costs are high and these projects due have to meet standards. I haven’t seen the drawings of this project, but usually there are some apartment like units and others are more like townhomes with several bedrooms and yards. They usually are very well designed and promote a community concept.   This is called an affordable housing project that is targeting working individuals who qualify to purchase a home. 

  • Anonymous

    “Buy raw land  and put up some FEMA trailers and call it good! ”

    And folks, there you have it. The TeaPublican solution to the housing problem for the poor. They, and their leader Paul LePage have become the embodiment of “Mr. Potter.”

  • Anonymous

    no way this can be justified..appears that Dale McCormick needs to be given the boot….1000 square foot apt should not cost more than 150k…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    You people that work for a living need to shut up and stop complaining, just say “Thank you sir, may I have another”.

  • Anonymous

    Bet those shipping containers don’t cost a quarter of a mil…. I’m just sayin……….

  • Anonymous

    Again, what nonsense. I have yet to see a very poor person, who receives public support, living in a mansion. Also, and again, this project is targeting working individuals who make less than $50K and qualify to purchase their home. Think young adult (couple) living and working in Portland who would like to start building their assets and can’t even get a foothold in the average purchase price of $220K. Most of you who sound off on these comment sections and think of yourselves as superior probably bought your homes at a time when housing cost WERE reasonable. They are not now. Educate yourselves and get off the bandstand that condemns the working poor, which by the way is now the new middle class.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    What a Whiner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Then, my dear, you may qualify to purchase one of these units. Check it out.

  • http://katahdin.myopenid.com/ FrankC

    Around the state there are some VERY nice 3 bedroom homes in the $119-159 range that are move in condition (if you like the colors ;=} )  Significantly less expensive than current new construction, even prefabs!   But probably not in Portland. 

  • Anonymous

    No this is NOT subsidized section 8 rental housing. These are affordable units that people making $50K  and who qualify may PURCHASE. These are well made, community based homes for regular working people to purchase. Young working individuals come to mind.

  • http://katahdin.myopenid.com/ FrankC

    With site prep etal – I’ve seen estimates in the 160-180 range for doublewides/prefabs

  • Anonymous

    Hey you negative, critical folks who comment on this section, trashing the “poor” folks – get a grip. This story is about building housing that is affordable for working people to purchase. Working people who make $50K or less. Its not section 8 and its not rental units. If you make $50K or less in this day and age… You CANNOT buy a home that cost $220K – the median price of a home for sale in Portland today. Many of you smug bozos who already own your own home and sound off probably bought your first home when real estate was affordable. In today’s world it’s completely out of reach…. Not everyone wants to live in a mobil home and frankly, when you add in land and associated costs, including travel to/from work… its not always the best option for folks. 

  • Anonymous

    265000 per unit?  You could build two 3 bedroom houses for that! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Boy, aren’t you cruel to pepole like me that earn way under that amount, I mean way under $50,000, three fifths under. Pretty much everybody in Maine qualifies under what you are stating and I pay taxes for it and you are just kicking sand in my face you big bully. See you next Thursday.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    You have no heart.

  • Guest

    ….

  • Guest

    Don’t assume that I am a casual observer. You do not know my background.

  • Guest

    Section 8 is able to subsidize all the expenses and you should know that. The taxes on a much less costly unit would be much lower.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kathy-Stuart/100000378618564 Kathy Stuart

    Crazy amount of money that. I understand that building is expensive but this builder already has the bare bones standing which should lower the cost. I think someone is gonna make a huge profit on this scam. 

  • Anonymous

    Uh… no intiendo James. What are YOU talking about?

  • Guest

    They can take the bus if needed.

  • Guest

    I have news for you. Each year HUD will put big money into their account for capital improvements, new community programs, jobs programs, etc.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6LTDLSW4TVTH6S4LX7GC5JQ2HY Regina Hosebeast

    Those people are NUTS! $265,000 per unit?  You can buy an entire house in great shape with a garage and a yard for that! This is simply out of control.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Everyone I work with falls into the “poor folks” category and I bet most of these “negative, critical folks” you hate, because your words reflect that (Pot calling the kettle black, huh) will never be allowed to be part of your reindeer game and have over a quarter million dollar residence in their life. You talk a good game, but show your hatred for the rest of us working people. Disgusting.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    That is obvious. Got to go back to work now so I can pay for this stuff while you sit on your duff. Thank you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Scam!!!!!!!!!!! You cruel, negative, critical folks make me siccckkkk. No one is making money off of this, don’t be ridicallous.

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    This is F%^&^%$ insane

  • Tyke

    Actually the legislature did give MSHA the mandate to use existing historic buildings as reduce sprawl to as great a degree as possible. They didn’t just make that requirement up. It is imposed on them.

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    You do not know what in hell you are talking about. A townhouse unit can be built for considerably less than half what the state is being charged.

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    Not even that …

  • Tyke

    Google was an Obama idea?
    Wow – the guy is brilliant, thanks for sharing that!

  • Tyke

    and luckily Lepage will be voted out of office or won’t run because of his poll numbers in 2014!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Tell that to Suzanne Farley, she thinks you are one of the “negative, critical folks”. You are beneath her intellagince as she knows better and she will never allow you into one of these units. I know exactly what her response will be.

  • Tyke

    This housing has nothing to do with section 8. You make claims about being “in the know” yet fail to grasp this fundamental fact about this project? Why would that be?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Yes she does, she is smarter than everyone combined on this forum.

  • Tyke

    No one “in the system” would ever qualify for one of these units. Maybe you could learn about subjects at least a tiny little bit before you comment on them.

  • Tyke

    You comment reflects the worst of Maine.

    … and no, I’m not talking about the disadvantaged people you are viciously smearing — I’m talking about YOU.

  • Tyke

    So your only response to 100% truthful statements is name calling?

    Thanks for so eloquently letting us know you have absolutely no valid points to make!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Military people with families will never be treated this good and this money could be used to keep people from freezing this winter. Government can’t see their own toes, because they it is so fat and bloated.

  • Tyke

    Lepage does not have the authority to fire McCormick or anyone else at Maine Housing. He also cannot fire Poliquin who was elected by the Legislature.

    Your complete lack of understanding is showing.

  • Anonymous

    I was hoping you would respond since the last article. Thank you.

    You forgot to mention the required lead paint abatement and the mold issues.

  • Tyke

    Maine Housing is working under federal mandates to renovate historic downtown buildings. Their costs would be much more in line with other housing without all of the federal mandates. Renovating very old houses involves a very lot of expensive specialty work including asbestos and lead paint removal.

    These are not new mandates, they have been around for years. If you don’t like them write to Collins, Snowe, Pingree and Michaud. No one at Maine Housing has the authority to change the rules under which they MUST operate by law!

  • Guest

    “Narrow income requirements” meaning people who are actually poor.

  • Tyke

    Maine Housing is working under federal mandates to renovate historic
    downtown buildings. Their costs would be much more in line with other
    housing without all of the federal mandates. Renovating very old houses
    involves a very lot of expensive specialty work including asbestos and
    lead paint removal.

    These are not new mandates, they have been around for years. If you
    don’t like them write to Collins, Snowe, Pingree and Michaud. No one at
    Maine Housing has the authority to change the rules under which they
    MUST operate by law!

  • Anonymous

    “ If you make $50K or less in this day and age… You CANNOT buy a home that cost $220K ” – really, REALLY.  I mean, if your credit is that bad, sure, but REALLY?  Even if you couldn’t, that number is still almost 50G over what you yourself claim a house would go for in that area.  Also, if you are truly desperate for shelter for your family, do you really have the right to say I refuse to live in a trailer.  I deserve a house that people making 50,000 a year can’t afford.  I don’t think so.

  • Anonymous

    Housing is affordable now, it not the median price of a home that is the problem.  The problem is that no bank wants to finance them after years of giving out risky mortgages and ending up with so many foreclosed properties they need to unload. 

  • Anonymous

    Imagine the trailer park they could build for that amount and how many more people they could give homes to.  

  • Anonymous

    There is, however, an environmental requirement to clean up the asbestos and lead paint
    - even if this handsome historic building were to be torn down.

    There is no such place as ‘away’ when it comes to environmental poisons.

  • Anonymous

    What’s the per unit cost for a development parcel in downtown Portland that’s capable of siting 20 to 60 units, the utility connections, site improvements, engineering, surveying, land use planning, architectural design, attorney’s fee, lending costs and some type of reasonable profit? Answer that then we can start discussing the costs for the building improvements. 

  • Tyke

    Can you get rid of century old lead paint and asbestos, rewire rotting out wiring that does not meet code  and put in elevators too at that price?

    Nah, didn’t think so.

  • Guest

    flag him

  • Guest

    The article says low income. The building is subsidized. Maybe the article should provide more information. You tell me, since you “know” so much, who is going to pay back this money.

  • Tyke

    Maine Housing is working under federal mandates to renovate historic downtown buildings. Their costs would be much more in line with other housing without all of the federal mandates. Renovating very old houses involves a very lot of expensive specialty work including asbestos and lead paint removal, replacing wiring and plumbing that does not meet code, rotting or damaged wood, etc, etc. Also these building, by federal mandate, must have elevators and many other amenities that a house you or I built would not need to have.

    These are not new mandates, they have been around for years. If you don’t like them write to Collins, Snowe, Pingree and Michaud. No one at Maine Housing has the authority to change the rules under which they MUST operate by law!

  • Guest

    How much is the average purchase price?

  • Anonymous

    Name one.

  • Guest

    A different program, still subsidized.

  • Anonymous

    Or the Governor’s “working papers” either.

    What with him campaigning on governmental transparentcy and all …

    Hypocrisy.

  • Guest

    Go jump in a lake, then we can discuss anything that you like.

    No profit at all, funny.

  • Anonymous

    Are these condominiums or low income apartments??? 

    Taxpayers fleeced again.

  • Anonymous

    A lot of huff and puff but no substance. 

  • Tyke

    I tend to let ugly stuff like that stay by not flagging it.

    It makes it obvious to all what a nasty piece of work the person commenting is.

  • Tyke

    … and of course we all know that the only program HUD ever, ever invests in is this one!

    /sarcasm

  • Tyke

    You cannot remove asbestos and lead paint, rewire because of rotted out wiring not up to code, replumb to meet code and replace all substandard or aged wood that does not meet code in historical buildings for that amount.

    Oh yeah – after you do all that expensive reclamation you will need to put in elevators and other industrial grade safety features.

  • Guest

    That is not the point that the posters are trying to make.

    It is too much money for “affordable housing”, that simple

    Should have done a less expensive project somewhere else.

  • Guest

    Federal dollars are subsidizing this. We are paying.

  • Anonymous

    Bruce Poliquin is not only our state treasurer he is a treasure for the state of Maine.  I think you have fuzzy math,  The rule use to be you bought  a house 2x’s your income , now their saying 3x’s (too much, no wonder everyone is in debt), so we’re  financing homes for people with incomes of $70,000 plus ?  Where can I  get in on this racket?

  • Guest

    Funny, people can justify just about anything if it benefits them.

  • Guest

    Thirtyfive units, you do the math.

    The gift that keeps giving.

  • Anonymous

    If Poliquin or Lepage actually even knew what they were talking about, that would be ”News’!

    …”In his criticisms of MaineHousing, Poliquin frequently points out that
    more than 6,500 people are on the waiting list for so-called “Section 8
    vouchers” for subsidized housing. But MaineHousing officials countered
    that Section 8 vouchers are part of an entirely different federal
    housing program and that those eligible for vouchers would not qualify
    for placement in complexes like Elm Terrace because of the narrow income
    requirements….”

  • Anonymous

    $265,000 per unit?   wow…that’s a lot of money per unit for low income?  How many square feet is this?  I need to sign up for one of these places!

  • Anonymous

    This is outrageous, one of my children and their 2 friends are paying$1200 for a dump  in Portland. I wonder if they could qualify for one of these units?  I bet not, they’re most likely going to the “poor artists” in Portland. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    I think a unit holds more than one apartment?

  • Anonymous

    You are right on this one.

  • Anonymous

    The reason homes aren’t affordable any more is because of greed and the nonsense that everyone should be a homeowner ( even if they can’t keep up the repairs).  People in the 90′s bought their homes as an investment rather than a place to live.  Many people flipped homes making it unaffordable  for so many not to ever buy a home.  

    By the way do you have a vested interest in this project you seem very pleased with it.  When are you moving in to your unit?

  • Anonymous

    thats funny. everyone loved bernie madoff also, until they discovered he was deceitful scum

  • Anonymous

    so it really just comes down to you not liking any subsidized, not just this project

  • Anonymous

    the median home price in this zip code is $258,000 and the average $290,000. For new housing it all of a sudden meets your criteria

  • Anonymous

    Look, I checked the real estate market. Over 100 homes are for sale in Portland for under 250,000. It seems Portland has affordable housing for people willing to buy it. But why buy when  you can get your home subsidized by the taxpayers?

  • Anonymous

    Sad that alot folks on these boards like to rant on about things, but when it comes down to it, they really have very little knowledge about the subject

  • Anonymous

    So my suggestion would be that it is not cost-effective for government to fund the renovation of “historic” buildings for low income housing. THese buildings should be developed by the private sector, or left alone. I admit it is nice to see old buildings rehabilitated, but my desire to restore them should not be funded by the taxpayers.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry but i just can’t get spending over a quarter million dollars to build one apartment through my mind as a good idea. When in he** is this lunacy going to stop. We taxpayers have to revolt to save this country.

  • Guest

    You have spent a lot of time ranting for a self proposed know it all who is lining their own pockets.

  • Guest

    It will be subsidized. Normally they would pay 30 percent of their income. You and I are paying for it.

  • Guest

    Wrong, I never said that and do not believe that. Don’t Assume. I have managed large section 8 subsidized properties.

  • Guest

    the word is do not due

  • Anonymous

    Do you honestly think that these are affordable units?  If they are affordable why must the Gov’t be involved, if they were truly affordable by your target audience those folks would go to the bank and get the money. The only reason they are affordable as you and I pay taxes that are used to make it affordable. Why not truly make them affordable by lowering the cost per unit, maybe not have the bells and whistles so they cost less?

  • Tyke

    Affordable Housing is just ONE goal of this project. In fact it is a by-product of the reclamation.

    If you really truly do not like the rules under which Maine Housing is required to act then contact your Senators and Representative. Demonizing McCormick for something completely outside her control is just nastiness because you did not like her politics back when she was a politician.

  • Anonymous

    You are correct. You would not be able to do so.
    Does it make sense that such a thing be accomplished then?
    Would it be better to construct new buildings rather than renovate?

  • Anonymous

    Just as I thought, another wasteful program.

  • Tyke

    If you do not like the rules set out by Congress then complain to them.

    I’m not saying I think the reclamation nature of these projects is a good idea. I actually have no opinion on that since I have not studied it.

    What I object to is the hyper partisan demonizing of Dale McCormick for doing her job the way  federal law requires her to do it.

    Most of the folks screeching and whining the loudest are just targeting her because they did not like her politics back when she was a politician. They pretending MSHA has done something wrong, unethical or wasteful when it is the Congress who set up the rules!

  • Tyke

    Maybe he could talk to Perry about bringing it up with the 8 Supreme Court Justices :)

  • Anonymous

    And we wonder why we are taxed to death.

  • Anonymous

    $265K homes are not for people that make less than $50K. Ideally a home should cost about 2x your annual income. Max 3x including taxes and insurance. These homes are for $100K earners. But I am sure that you are right, they will find a way to put unqualified people into these homes and it will be a repeat of our current problems.

  • Anonymous

       99% of Maine Tax payers cannot afford to
    live in a $265,000 condo in downtown Portland, nevertheless this article states
    that the Maine Housing director has committed to spend our tax dollars to renovate
    38 of these units at$265,000 each and give them to homeless people. Whether
    these decisions are the results of Federal mandates or the incompetence of the Maine
    Housing director, basic math skills are absent. Excessive waste of our tax
    dollars is rampant at both Federal and State levels because too many folks in
    government have lost touch with reality.

  • Guest

    You are confused. I did not demonize anyone. You don’t even know who your responding to.

  • Anonymous

    No, it does not SEEM high, it IS high. $265K for low income housing is nothing less than absurd.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, we certainly wouldn’t want to inconvience anyone that can afford a quarter million dollar home. Maybe we could subsidize a Mercedes for them also.

  • Anonymous

    I think my math might be off.  It looks like that’s over 10 Million dollars.  That can’t be right.  

  • Anonymous

    You mean my outrageous rant “to a causal observer maybe. do some real research and you’ll find different” You managed to prove your own lack of knowledge.  And once again you assume wrong, I’m not making a nickel off this project or any like it.

  • Tyke

    I have no idea if this makes sense. I do know that Dale McCormick and the MSHA did not decide on their own to renovate historical buildings. Congress made that decision.

    Anger and other negative reactions should be focused at the true perpetrators.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe it is politically motivated, but let’s assume the best and say Treasurer Poliquin is looking out for the financial interests of Mainers. I wonder if the price would have dropped $50,000 per unit if Poliquin had not made it a public issue? After hearing about the excesses at MTA, I think all Mainers have a right to be critical and suspicious of these quasi-governmental agencies.
    Believe me, I think the more politicians such as Poliquin and LePage expose the government waste and silliness, the more people with any sense will speak up and be heard. Congress will get the message only if we do speak loud and clear–with words and actions and votes.

  • Tyke

    The price drop happened long before Poliquin ever got involved.

    He kept quoting the prior higher number either because he is too dumb to realize that or he’s a liar.

    Also – were you aware that a Democratic legislator (Dawn Hall D-York) initiated the review that found the MTA fraud? And the investigation was approved, funded and and began in the last legislature, the one not run by Republicans. Lepage and Poliquin had nothing to do with it.

  • StillRelaxin

    Yes of course you’re right, I smoke crack. It really helps me to avoid making offensive comments toward others here. Another side benefit is that it reduces my spelling errors. Two secrets I thought I should share with someone with your “interesting” abilities.

  • Tyke

    I think he’s proposing we stack mobile homes to create housing in the city. That’s the only way his proposal makes “sense”.

  • gaily

     Just for once I’d like to try one of these new units along with a monthly check (disability), food stamps, free health care, someone that plows my snow and mows my grass. 
    I know some of these people.  Big screen TV’s, smart phones, etc.  I’m sorry but after “working” and scraping by for years and working from paycheck to paycheck, it irks me to see almost half of this Country on the system. 
    I know there are really poor people and ones that really deserve a “hand-up”.  I just don’t believe in “hand-outs”.   

  • Anonymous

    An apologist for a failed system is worse than the failures in the system.
    Dont you agree ,Grumpy Old Man.

  • Anonymous

    So , You ” have no opinion” on spending $ 265,000 , of taxpayers money , for a single apartment?
    Because you ” have not studied”  it??
    Awful simplistic way of saying you dont know what you are talking about , isn’t it ??

  • Tyke

    No fool. I clearly and obviously stated I have no opinion on the pubic value of spending money for rehabilitation of old buildings (the reason the price tag is so high) because I have not studied that subject. Our legislature at the federal level decided we should spend money to bring old buildings up to code and make them habitable, not me.

    Either you cannot read and comprehend, or you are a very dishonest person.

  • Tyke

    Since you have no input beyond an insult, I’d say that proves you have nothing reasonable to say in a counter argument.

    Thanks for reenforcing my point by publicly demonstrating your  inability to refute it!

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