MaineHousing not backing down from questions over spending

Posted Nov. 29, 2011, at 1:42 p.m.
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AUGUSTA, Maine — Bruce Poliquin likes to refer to himself as an “activist treasurer” and he has been more visible and vocal in his role as Maine’s steward of fiscal discipline than any of his recent predecessors.

The state treasurer’s most recent campaign has been to question the practices of the quasi-public Maine State Housing Authority, or MaineHousing.

Poliquin, who as state treasurer is an automatic MaineHousing board member, joins a handful of new members recently appointed by Gov. Paul LePage. Together, the new members are worried that MaineHousing has lacked fiscal oversight and they have cited an affordable housing project in Portland as proof.

MaineHousing officials, however, say Poliquin is continually ignoring facts to push his own agenda and to make life miserable for the agency’s director, Dale McCormick, a longtime Democrat who was state treasurer for eight years when Democrats controlled the State House.

The director of MaineHousing is a gubernatorial appointment. McCormick was appointed by Gov. John Baldacci and then reappointed shortly before Baldacci left office.

Her term runs until 2014 unless she is forced out.

Despite Poliquin’s continued questioning of McCormick about her handling of MaineHousing, McCormick said she has no intention to back down.

“I’m not a quitter,” she said this week. “It’s my responsibility and duty to ensure the protection of MaineHousing’s financial assets for everyone. To walk away from that would be wrong.”

The ongoing debate, initiated by Poliquin, involves a MaineHousing apartment project in Portland known as Elm Terrace. That project, which involves the renovation of a historic building owned by the University of Southern Maine, came in with a per-unit cost of $314,000, well above initial projections and above the state average.

“How can Maine taxpayers be expected to help pay for $314,000 ‘low-income’ apartments when the median single-family home sells for $159,000?” Poliquin wrote in a recent blog post. “Why should our fellow Mainers be asked to subsidize housing which they themselves cannot afford to live in?

Poliquin said he believes Elm Terrace is indicative of a culture at MaineHousing that doesn’t place a high priority on cost containment.

McCormick said the treasurer is wrong and she has told him so publicly.

“Both the treasurer and the board chair [Peter Anastos] keep saying what they want to say and that usually means there is another agenda,” she said. “I’m happy to keep correcting them.”

McCormick said Elm Terrace was selected for funding in 2010 but has yet to be formally approved, largely because developers and MaineHousing are still working to control the costs. She said she personally asked the project developer to rein in costs long before Poliquin began beating his drum. She disputes Poliquin’s assertion that Elm Terrace is indicative of MaineHousing’s work as a whole.

MaineHousing has many responsibilities as the state’s housing authority and one of those charges is to provide affordable housing. The agency does that in one of three ways: by acquiring and rehabilitating existing housing, by building apartments from scratch and by reusing historic buildings.

For acquisition and rehab projects, the average cost has been $127,000 per unit, according to MaineHousing data provided by McCormick. That is well below the $159,000 average price of a single-family home often cited by Poliquin.

New construction comes in at $192,000 per unit, which is close to the market rate, McCormick said. Historic renovation generates the highest cost per unit, at about $240,000, but McCormick said it’s important to stress that those projects involve tax credits specifically for historic preservation.

Poliquin said he’s a numbers guy. The number he cares about right now is the 6,500 Mainers who are on a waiting list for affordable housing. If Elm Terrace is even a little indicative of what’s going on, he said, Mainers are getting a raw deal.

He insists that he has nothing personal against McCormick or MaineHousing, but Poliquin attempted to gain more control of that agency several months ago.

In March, the treasurer submitted legislation that would have expanded his office’s role and would have required voter approval for all bonds created by quasi-state agencies such as MaineHousing. The Republican-controlled Legislature failed to back that idea.

Now that he’s on the board of commissioners, Poliquin hopes to make changes from the inside. Those changes are underway already, even in the face of protest by McCormick.

A proposal is on the table to change the criteria for how MaineHousing distributes an estimated $30 million in federal funds for affordable housing projects.

In years past, nonprofit developers have done the bulk of the work. Poliquin and others want private developers to have a seat at the table.

“There are no incentives to drive down costs; that’s something that needs to change,” Poliquin said.

One of the nonprofit developers that has done numerous projects for MaineHousing is Portland-based Avesta Housing. That company is led by Dana Totman, who was No. 2 at MaineHousing from 1994-2000.

But for-profit firms have not been excluded from the discussion, McCormick said, adding that of the 42 most recent projects approved by MaineHousing, 24 have gone to private developers.

McCormick said she has consistently met with developers, including nonprofit ones, to talk about cost containment. She also said she believes the proposed changes are meant to benefit a few private developers who are sympathetic to Poliquin and the LePage administration.

“We have been talking about cost control and have been working on this for months,” McCormick said. “They want to rewrite years of housing policies overnight.”

Greg Payne with the Maine Affordable Housing Commission said his group has worked with MaineHousing recently to address certain restrictions and guidelines that have driven up construction costs.

“It is fair enough for those who oppose these policies to publicly raise their objections, but it is probably less fair to point fingers at developers for doing precisely what the Legislature has encouraged them to do,” he wrote in a recent OpEd published in the Bangor Daily News.

The next meeting of MaineHousing’s board of directors is Dec. 20. The agenda has not yet been finalized.

Editor’s note: Eric Russell’s father is employed by MaineHousing.

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  • Anonymous

    Public housing should be efficiency apartments or duplex apartments just like Capehart in Bangor, not freaking $200,000 per unit buildings!!  Thanks a lot socialist democrats for not having a clue.  Those awesome homes will surely encourage those “underprivileged” people to get their lives on track real quick, so they can go out into the world and never hope to have a home that nice again.

  • Anonymous

    This pi$$ing contest has politics written all over it.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you Mr. Poliquin….

    Mrs McCormick should be forced to pay for the costs above the average costs per unit out of her own pocket, cause I CANT AFFORD IT!! What kind of person looks around at the average mainer and says “ya, these peole can afford to build public housing at $314,000/unit”
    Either she is just stupid, or she has her own agenda, which involves screwing the rest of us…

  • Anonymous

    Capehart was built for military family housing.  Those units are damned far from being efficiency apartments — many three-bedroom, two bath, hardwood floors, etc.   Bangor Housing only has them because the base closed.  They’d cost a mint to build today.

  • Anonymous

    I’m just saying that public housing should be minimalist and spartan.  Their condition and current value should be around what Capehart is, which is fairly old & crummy and should be something that people strive to get out of, not something that they beg to get into.   Maybe the state needs to look into renovating old existing apartments on the cheap instead of doing these “ultimate makeover home-edition” type jobs they are doing.  Or just don’t do them at all.  I would be delighted if poor people left the state and went to other states for welfare instead of coming into Maine because we are so fast & loose with our taxpayer-funded handouts.

  • Anonymous

    That sounds like a post coming from a local public housing… Obviously free wifi….
    YOUR WELCOME!!

  • newportres

    “For acquisition and rehab projects, the average cost has been $127,000 per unit, according to MaineHousing data provided by McCormick. That is well below the $159,000 average price of a single-family home often cited by Poliquin.”Sp McCormick feels it is acceptable for every apartment in one building to cost more than a family home built from the ground up as a one piece?
    Wow!

  • Anonymous

    Wow, no bias with this article, BDN.   None at all.

  • Anonymous

    politics….. T-party style.

  • Anonymous

    are you okay with paying over $300K?

  • honey777

    Witch hunt.
    The only thing shameful about MSHA is the prime property and location on the Kennebec.  And the open bar Christmas parties.

  • Anonymous

    Again…follow the money……

  • Anonymous

    $ 314,000 per unit, what the hell is costing so much for one unit in a complex? I would say the fit and finish in this place is far superior to anything I have ever lived in, and I pay for my own place. I would say there are not many higher end units that cost that much. Sounds to me, like it is time to do some house cleaning at MaineHousing. Is anyone else seeing a trend here when it comes to what we the tax payers are expected to pay for when it comes to “entitlement” type spending here in the State of Maine? What does the person(s) living in these units have to pay for rent? Or are we the taxpayer footing the whole bill? Affordable housing, affordable for who?

  • chris reid

    Who oversees Bruce ? The man can’t help himself.

  • Anonymous

    300 grand for low income apartments? unbelievable, I’d like to know where that money really went.

  • Anonymous

    Which part was biased? Just out of curiosity.
    -Eric Russell

  • Anonymous

    Use foreclosures for affordable housing

  • Anonymous

    Start with the headline’s use of “relentless”.  Using that word in the headline, in this context, is most……unusual, let’s just say.  Then add a whole bunch of weasel words, qualifiers and adjectives.   But most important is the article’s template: Poliquin unfairly harasses McCormick; McCormick shows guts and courage to not be bullied.  That’s the point of the article, and the specifics have to fit together to make the article advance the template.
    This statement clearly doesn’t belong in anything outside the editorial page: “but it appears Poliquin has coveted more control of that agency for many months.”.
    And finally, additional details would have been more useful than the large number of “spin statements” from McCormick and her supporters.  They would not be too difficult to find.  MSHA was recently forced to release its total job position and salary roster, for example. It was quite eye-opening for many to see.  But details such as that wouldn’t have fit the template.

  • StillRelaxin

    Your presumption here makes you sound like…well, what you sound like. No need for me to say more. Dale McCormick said, “I’m happy to keep correcting them.” Well good luck with that Dale. As we see here every day these folks only know what they’ve already been told by people they want to listen to…or who actually give them money. It’s a difficult task to make some folks consider the realities or needs of anyone who doesn’t happen to be them. Such thinking is generally only found in advanced cultures and good economies. At the moment we don’t seem to have either of those.

  • Anonymous

    I appreciate your response. I’m not sure what you mean when you say “weasel” words but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
    I don’t think the story says Poliquin’s actions have been unfair. If you’re on his side, I think you could argue “Good for him.” But he has been aggressive in his criticism of McCormick and she is responding to that.
    The word “coveted” probably was a loaded word and I have changed that. It is a fact, though, that he has tried to gain some control of what MaineHousing does, so I stand by the inclusion of that fact.
    I don’t think MaineHousing’s salary info. was relevant to this story, so I didn’t include it. I suspect that may come up down the line.
    What other additional info would you have liked. The story was pretty long as it was, so additional details might have further weighed it down.
    This is the business we’re in. I’m not perfect and I welcome the criticism but I wonder if you would have commented if the story was written in a way that you thought favored Poliquin.
    -Eric Russell

  • StillRelaxin

    Poliquin is a numbers guy and we all know how easy it is to make numbers lie.  Just ask Bernie Madoff or if you like go back and review how Poliquin misused 2009 data to make projections on the downfall of retirement pension program for state workers.  As Bernie and Poliquin have shown us the best lies are ones that people want to hear and if you want to make em believe those lies, make em really really big ones!  

  • Anonymous

    Does anyone really believes Poloquin when he says all he really cares about is the 6,500 Mainers who are on a waiting list for affordable housing?

  • Anonymous

    Do you really believe anything that comes out of Poloquin’s mouth?

  • Anonymous

    MSHA may be helping folks who need affordable housing, but its really helping the “well-connected” developers. Even more interesting, how many non-profit groups own major housing developments…like the AFL-CIO and Volunteers of America. Poliquin in on the right track. For too many years; Maine was not. Thank you voters for the sweeping changes in November 2010.

  • Buzlno

    As his job requires him to do, he cares how much it will cost we taxpayers to house that 6,500 waiting list.

  • Anonymous

    so the authors father works 4 maine housing i bet this is a fair and balanced story

  • Anonymous

    “Editor’s note: Eric Russell’s father is employed by MaineHousing.”

     Not saying that this fact influenced your writing, but better judgement on the part of BDN in regards to your relationship to MaineHousing could have been used in assigning the story.

  • Anonymous

    “Relentless”. Please BDN at least try and keep the headlines unbiased. 

  • Anonymous

    Yes. And if you don’t find 300,000k per unit disgusting Id suggest you should pay more taxes then to cover all this government waste.

  • Anonymous

    So if the cost is only $125,000 +/- per unit, is that not an outragous figure for one unit. Think about it $1.25 million for every 10 units built. That is a figure that stinks of waste and potential fraud.

  • Anonymous

    279,000 per unit 4 affordable apps at waterworks in bangor

  • Anonymous

    Beautifully written. This so called article is nothing more than a propaganda piece made to look like the investigation being done is not fair or needed. The BDN doesn’t want open government, just liberal government.
    Adjectives are used in such a way to give an opinion to supposedly “fair” and “balanced” news outlet stories.

  • Anonymous

    You have to be kidding me. Why the heck was he even allowed to write this story. Gee BDN give us all a break for a week at least. I swear this is the first day in a month that you haven’t done two occupier stories and just when I think sanity is taking over, you go and allow a relative of someone who works at MHA to write this hit piece on Paloquin. Ouch.

  • Anonymous

    not attacking you just asking a?if your dad works at maine housing why wouldn’t somebody else write the story .It just makes u wonder when somebody has a dog in the fight weather there is more or less to the story put you self in the skeptical readers place and ill bet you will see the point  

  • Anonymous

    I agree that is a little costly……How many bedrooms does a 127000 apartment unit have? I’m not the biggest fan of section 8 either but at least with that program everyone has an equal shot at an apartment that the average Mainer can afford. I don’t think that is me being selfish, that is me wondering why anyone would work at getting off the system if they have a lower quality of living for working hard you know?

  • Anonymous

    actually they would be alot more affordable than u would think.most private apts are built with the same concept and private developers always have the bottom line in sight

  • Anonymous

    the less u pay per unit the more units get built the more families u help cant get much simpler that 

  • Guest

    They don’t cost $314,000 a unit. Poliquin can keep saying it but that doesn’t make it true.

  • Guest

    But they don’t cost that much. 

  • Guest

    They don’t cost that much. Poliquin keeps getting corrected because he keeps repeating something that’s not true.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Note the article headline — biased much?

    One could just as easily write one saying “Maine State Treasurer Not Backing Down from Saving Taxpayer Dollars.”

  • Anonymous

    Republicans do whatever they can to punish the poor and feed the rich.  Most of us are becoming poor, so the country, especially where they get full control, is returning to a primitive feudal system of lear jets vs serfs:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/us/middle-class-areas-shrink-as-income-gap-grows-report-finds.html

    http://bangordailynews.com/2011/08/28/business/maines-rockefeller-country-home-values-make-the-rich-richer/

  • Anonymous

    The cost of a single family home in Portland is much more than $159,000.  Poliquin should know that, but he has a habit of using his own figures.  We have learned that Poliquin’s figures are not to be trusted.

  • Anonymous

    Well stated.  And the answer to your last thought or speculation would most likely be “no.”

  • Anonymous

    The poor aren’t the problem , it’s the corrupt system that is making more and more of us poor:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/us/middle-class-areas-shrink-as-income-gap-grows-report-finds.html

  • Anonymous

    “Her (McCormick) term runs till 2014 unless she is forced out.”   Hmmmmm……

  • Anonymous

    Poliquin didn’t say that $159,000 was the cost of a single family home in Portland, you are not quoting him correctly.  I believe his average price home is for the State of Maine.  I guess that means your statements are not to be trusted either?

  • Anonymous

    I completely agree.  The governments of this State, this Country and many other countries on this Earth are in serious debt because of runaway spending.  It is about time somebody stands up and says that enough is enough. 

  • Anonymous

    I’ll probably be sorry that I engaged on this level, but despite what some here think, I care about our readers deeply. So, here goes: 
    If people think the story is biased, I will challenge them to point out examples and, if needed, I will explain where I was coming from. If people still are not convinced then I respect their points of view, but I stand by my reporting and writing.
    Addressing the editor’s note about my father working at MaineHousing: we felt it was important to include that information in case people found out and thought we were intentionally hiding that fact.
    I (and my editors) do not believe that my father’s employment should automatically disqualify me from writing about MaineHousing. He works in a division in southern Maine and is not involved in policymaking or policy discussions. It would be like saying I couldn’t write about education policy because my wife is a teacher.
    The reason I wrote this story is because I’m the BDN’s State House reporter. It’s my beat.
    Again, people may disagree, but I’m a professional journalist. I do this for a living. My reporting is not dictated by where my relatives might work.
    I do welcome criticism and I’m happy to debate salient points if people wish. I don’t know if this helps some people or not.
    -Eric Russell

  • Anonymous

    Anyone started a pool yet on who stole the most; Paul Violette, Dale McCormick, Brenda Harvey, or Bob Nutting??

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for describing the techniques used by Fox News so well, and all other of billionaire Rupert Murdoch’s media outlets, like The Wall Street Journal.

  • Anonymous

    Bruce, you are doing a great job and finally we are starting to see a glimmer of accountability in some of our governmental agenices.  Do not stop the fine work you are doing. 

  • Anonymous

    Actually it’s the socialist democrats who desperately need/want more people to be poor so that those people can be dependent on socialist big-government handouts.  What do you think they have been doing to African-Americans all these years, what do you think the “new-deal” was really about? – helping people?!  No, it was about setting people up to be dependent on democrat legislatures to dole out the government-approved ration of welfare and keep them in check, and boy did it work (95% black vote to democrats).  Of course class-warfare and constant racism from the left in the way of implied need for affirmative-action also helps.  Republicans are by-in-large about putting the ability to self-determine one’s own future in his or her hands with the least amount of government interference.  This is what the American dream is all about, not creating a tired socialist welfare state like Greece or Sweden. 

  • Anonymous

    Nothing about this project has changed since the last cited ‘blog article’.

    This historical building rehab is an extensive environmental abatement problem consisting of lead-based paint and asbestos – along with an ongoing mold issue, as well.  Look it up.

    Even if USM tore it down, it would still have to dispose of the hazardous material, but in much larger pieces and additional expense to even new construction.

    As I stated the last time, environmentally speaking, there is no such place as ‘away’ with respect to disposal of deadly poison.

    This is going to cost some bucks, no matter what. There’s 30M of Federal HUD funds involved in the discussion.  ‘Activist treasurer’ Poliquin would have us believe it’s all Maine money or better yet, temporarily ‘his’.

    It’s simply not so.

  • StillRelaxin

    Let’s stick to the correct figures. $127,000 not $125,000 per unit. Poliquin cites a figure of $159.00 for you or I to build the equivalent. That‘s a $32,000 per unit cost savings over private cost. WOW! Who would have ever thought the government could actually work this efficiently? So I have to say, congrats have to go out to Dale McCormick on her work and oversite here.  Cheers to Dale!!!

    Now sure you don’t like the cost but lets face it, most folks taking Poliquin’s point of view here wouldn’t want to spend money to house needy families in oversized cardboard boxes. If the state is going to build housing it simply can’t build crap/cardboard that are below codes. I’d assume the state would retain ownership of it until it’s eventually demolished or sold. So try to think of it as an INVESTMENT that is both financial and societal.  What is your idea of reasonable cost here? 

  • Anonymous

    The adjusted amount of tax that is not paid, and never will be paid is included in that figure.  It is 100% relevant to the total since it is money that the state instantly loses when such a property is created .  Also, the homeowner’s insurance and certain maintenance issues are covered by the state, so there are a lot of intangible costs which go up in line with the higher cost of the home / property value.  It’s a crazy upward spiral of wasteful spending for something that doesn’t need to exist.  They should just renovate cheap apartments which people will strive to get out of and earn their way into a better situation.

  • Anonymous

    Nice, nice.  Want to like this comment 10x times!

  • Anonymous

    Republicans are all about making the rich richer, helping transfer the wealth of America to the ultra-powerful elites, who put that wealth into investments in police states, like China, or simply hoard it. 

    On top of that, Republicans stoke up hatred for the poor, while their core policies of lowering taxes on the rich, exemplified by George W. Bush, have fed a vast sickness of corruption and legalized bribery.   A big segment of the Republican base is conservative Christians who think women belong in subservient positions to their husbands, and that evolution is just a theory.  They attack gay marriage because of their Biblical single-mindedness. They fear non-Christians as servants of Satan. And they attack the consensus of scientists, 97%, who say global warming is primarily human caused.

    Democrats are corrupt too, but the Republican unapologetically bow down and kiss the toes of their corporate masters.  That’s why 400 billionaires currently have as much wealth as the bottom 50% of Americans, and 50 million Americans can’t even afford a doctor.

    It’s sick, vile, and the Empire is going down because of its greed.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right and you’re wrong.  The units don’t have a physical cost that is that much, but all of the intangible costs related to lost taxes over time, and the cost of insurance and upkeep makes them cost that much, and this should be the figure used.  Of course democrats would prefer to use the figure that does not include all of the intangible costs, but that is their game – saying that welfare costs a lot less than it actually does, when in fact it is a self-perpetuation downward spiral of lost money to the state.  And still…. Even without all the intangible costs figured in, the units are still waaaayyyy too expensive, so your point is sort of moot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    I also believe one could make a valid argument that the cost to build a single family home in Maine could be accomplished for far less than $314K, or even $265K.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Did you miss the part where the cost per unit came in at $314K, and McCormick is trying to get the cost down to $265K per unit?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

    “How can Maine taxpayers be expected to help pay for $314,000
    ‘low-income’ apartments when the median single-family home sells for
    $159,000?”

    We help pay for there food there medical there  there kids well just admit it every other part of there life is publicly funded. Why all of a sudden stop at buying them homes?

  • PabMainer

    Well said……

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Sometimes, it’s better to avoid even the perception of a conflict of interest, by passing on certain actions.

    If the story could have been written by someone else, I probably would have said “let them do it,”  and avoided the appearance of a conflict of interest.

    Surely the BDN has provisions in place to allow for such needs, regardless of the beat on which  the story might normally fall.

    If your wife is a teacher, maybe you’d choose to pass on an article that pertained to the exact school where she’s employed. A more general article on education is a different “animal,” if you will.

    However, in this case, your father being employed by MaineHousing presents a far stronger  conflict of interest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Thank you. That would have been the most common-sense manner in which to proceed.

  • Anonymous

    Okay, so let’s build them “on the cheap.”  Very cheap; after all we want the price to be so cheap that in five (5) years the places start to fall apart and then we’d have to start all over again.  So, okay, let’s be penny-wise and pound-foolish.  By that time there will be a new Secretary of the Treasury who will not waste our tax dollars on his elaborate salary while chasing down decent people who take care of spending said dollars wisely.  It is dark reading in other peoples’ books, AgentP, and I am sure you have never been a fly on the wall while the work in Maine Housing takes place.  So, please comment on what you know to be facts. I find your comments disgusting!

  • Anonymous

    You seem to think that just because a place cost the government $200,000 to build, it is worth that much money. The fact of the matter is that if you toured most subsidised housing you would not think it especially nice. For example, the Waterworks project was very pricey and the ‘apts’ are really just one room efficiencies with a bathroom. They are less than 15′x15′, the floors are cheap tile, and they utilise small apt. sized appliances.

  • Anonymous

    You need to stay poor to keep your rants against sucessfull working people on this site 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJEUWEYRHIPWV3PTTWWNUZ2CTQ mcmaineacjam

    Most of what Maine Housing does is LOAN money, sometimes at reduced interest rates enabling a non-profit to obtain the property when other funding would not be available. They do have some “forgivable” portions if the property is properly maintained and used for the purpost it was purchased for at the end of a mortgage. They often require monthly contributions to a bank saving account for “replacement reserve”, money to be only used for major maintenance, how many land lords are doing that? These are not hand outs but strictly monitored loans and grants. I do not work for them but have been involved in some of their projects, and I think this attack is totally uncalled for.

  • Anonymous

    you can buy prefabs for 65,000

  • Anonymous

    Why are they comparing single family homes to apts. We have 32  apts. we have 4 apt units and  some duplex apts and some singles the single 3 bedroom cost the same as duplex which houses 2 2 bedroom apts. We built 2 duplexes from scratch 3 yrs ago for 96,000 ea thats 46,00 per apt.

  • Anonymous

    Eric, thank you for your comments.  In response to all your critics, I have only one thing to say:  “If you want to hit a dog, you can always find a stick.”

  • Anonymous

    There are people in Capehart that are grateful for that housing. There are income guidelines to get into the housing and tenants pay about 30% of their income. Many work or go to school. As they get better paying jobs their rent increases. Often they end up paying more to live in Capehart than they would pay to live in other low rent areas of the city. Consider why someone would choose to stay in a place you consider to be “fairly old & crummy”. I know for many the reason to stay has to do with the neighborhood. The housing authority does criminal background checks on all tenants. If they were paying less rent in one of the cheaper parts of the city they would have all kinds of problem individuals living around them. These are often poor people that are working hard to get ahead. The fact that the state overpays developers to create housing for them does not mean that they are getting really nice houses.

  • StillRelaxin

    Did you miss the part where the average cost per unit of ALL Maine Housing Projects is $127,000? Or are you also wearing a pair of “Poliquin Fuzzy Math Glasses?” You know the pair. They’re the ones that find only THE single highest overrun project as possible from which to make a whole assortment of false claims from. Odd, I don’t usually agree with you but I also wouldn’t expect you to be this easily “fuzzed.”  Perhaps it’s time to clean those glasses or get a new perscription.

  • Anonymous

    First off, are you going to get yourself all in a twist because I used $125,000 +/- instead of $127,000? That kind of sets the tone now doesn’t it? Furthermore if an individual spent their own money to build an apartment house as an investment property they would not make much money if they spent like the State of Maine does to build. The $159,000 figure quoted is for the average cost of a single family home, that is comparing apples and oranges. I do not think that I would be congratulating anybody that can spend $127,000 to build one unit in a large residential apartment complex. I would not condone the state spending my tax dollars to build anything that was not to code and unsafe for its inhabitants. That being said I will not agree to spend that kind of money to build apartments for subsidized housing either. If I am to think of this as an investment, what is my return on investment and when can I expect to see it.

  • Anonymous

    The state average is higher also.  However, the main point here is that Poliquin tends to use figures that fit his position.  Regional costs are very important in housing projections.  Heck, my son found that Chicago was cheater to live in than Portland, Maine.  That is how expensive Portland is to live.  And, specific Portland costs are considered in Section 8 housing, FHA housing, etc. 

  • Anonymous

    So, I guess this is a project that MSHA should have stayed away from. Sounds like the smart bunch here are the trustees at USM, they got this mess off their books. The comment concerning whether it is Federal HUD money or State funds…It is still tax money regardless of its origin.

  • Anonymous

    Spruce, again you are on the wrong side of the issue.  You immediately defend the former democratic administration without considering the merits of Bruce Poliquin’s argument.  The State has residents that for one reason or another need housing assistance and many are on a waiting list.  What you fail to acknowledge is that 3-4 times more people could have been assisted for the same tax dollars if the former administration had employed even the slightest bit of fiscal responsibility with these residential projects.  Really, $300,000+ for a single residential unit.  Absolutely ridiculous!

  • Anonymous

    I know of several 4 unit properties that can be purchased for under $200,000.  Spending over $300,000 in taxpayer dollars for 1 apartment unit is highly irresponsible and possibly criminal.

  • StillRelaxin

    No twist (Is that a Herman Cain kind of comment?) here, just stating the facts. Sorry if my simple correction has caused you any consternation. Poliquin grossly misuses crazy numbers of a single project to degrade an entire program that he doesn’t like and you want to quibble with me about apples to apples and oranges to oranges?

    Now you probably pay property taxes, yes? Or have you managed to avoid such like Mr. Lepage? If you do then you are well aware that the greatest chunk of that money goes towards education. The returns on that investment will come in at about the same rates as you can expect to receive through provision of basic housing for the needy. When will you see it? Well like having an educated public that’s hard to say.

    Consider the alternatives, no education, no housing, just a bunch of people scratching the dirt to make a living and keep warm and dry like a “New Age Dark Ages.” Best option for people in such positions to get ahead, steal from people like you and I. Difficult stuff to measure concretely but I’m happy to do my part for the betterment of my society…and my own safety. One would hope we are a species that is advancing not degrading into a society that builds as many walls as possible to keep others down or for that matter away from OUR stuff.

  • Anonymous

    To my knowledge, Dale McCormick has never been accused of wrongdoing throughout a fairly long career in public service.

    I doubt if she and I vote the same on very many issues – still, even hinting that she is a thief is over the top.  Way over.

  • Anonymous

    http://pinetreewatchdog.org/2010/12/21/shaded-solar-panels-disconnected-wind-turbines-tales-of-a-1-1-million-state-energy-program/

    She only wasted $1.1 million in tax money on this solar boondoggle. We’d have been better off converting it to $1 bills and burning it for energy. What a useless political hack.

  • Anonymous

    Good question … is Bruce Poliquin wasting taxpayers’ money to run a propaganda machine instead of doing the independent job the Legislature (not the governor) elected him to do? http://www.dirigoblue.com/2011/11/29/is-treasurer-poliquin-using-state-resources-for-propaganda-campaign/ 

  • Anonymous

    I do not think that” basic housing” should come with the price tag reported in this article; no matter the number you choose to apply. I am not opposing that the state provide affordable housing for the less fortunate. I am opposed to the costs quoted here. The return on a well educated child is my tax dollars will not have to be spent on affordable housing for that child as an adult. I as well do not mind doing my part in the betterment of my society; I am just tired that our part seems to just keep growing as the entitlement benefits continue to be expanded to support every aspect of recipient’s lives.

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely, I would have. I believe in unbiased, neutral reporting of facts when it comes to news stories about public policy. Full stop.
       From Wikipedia (this works:)  ‘A weasel word (also, anonymous authority) is an informal term[1] for equivocating words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim, or even a refutation has been communicated….The use of weasel words to avoid making an outright assertion is a synonym to tergiversate.[2] Weasel words can imply meaning far beyond the claim actually being made.[3] Some weasel words may also have the effect of softening the force of a potentially loaded or otherwise controversial statement through some form of understatement, for example using detensifiers such as “somewhat” or “in most respects”. ’

      Some examples from the article: “continually”, “make life miserable”, “continual questioning”, “beating his drum”, “even in the face of protest”. The larger point though, again, is the template.  The point of this article is for McCormick to shoot down whatever Poliquin says. That is the overall gist of the story.
       And in fairness, let me say that there are several cases in the article of very useful information and statistics, which are not biased.  I must also say I find no problem with you covering this issue, as a full disclosure was made.

  • Anonymous

    Fat cats like Donald Sussman, who now owns Maine politics?? Do you mean like him?
    You are so stuck in the 60s. I used to believe that Dems were the party of the “little guy” too, back when I was an activist for the party. How times have changed.  Much more Wall Street and billionaire money went to Obama in 2008 than to McCain. You do know that, don’t you??
    How about that billionaire (that’s billion with a b……..do you know how much bigger a billion is than a million?? It’s A LOT bigger) who ran for Prez in as a Republican in 2004? Oh wait, no……that was a Dem. 
     Your party is now the party of the welfare dependent and the 1%.  Just saying.

  • Anonymous

    The issue is much larger than what you say.  Republicans have a strict and harsh ideology, and wherever they get power, expect the unfortunate and downtrodden people to suffer. 

    Everywhere.  And to hide from what they are doing, their lack of compassion and cruelty, they always turn to their shield and their god:  money.

  • Anonymous

    Both parties are corrupt.  But the Democrats are trying, very feebly, to move forward. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Hosebeast/100002095287763 Regina Hosebeast

    “Maine Housing officials, however, say Poliquin is continually ignoring
    facts to push his own agenda and to make life miserable for the agency’s
    director, Dale McCormick, a longtime Democrat who was state treasurer
    for eight years when Democrats controlled the State House.”

    Adios. No more handing out our money for your own political gain.

  • Jazz11

    Her term runs until 2014 unless she is FORCED out. Which is exactly LePage and his minions want.

  • Guest

    Once again, the apartments do NOT cost $314,000.

  • Guest

    Nobody is mentioning the asbestos and lead paint removal at this historic (a whole host of other building restrictions) and the fact that the bottom floor has to be converting to parking.

  • Guest

    The city of Portland didn’t want to tear down the historic building.

  • Guest

    The apartments don’t cost $314,000.  Read the article.  A single family home in dowtown Portland wouldn’t cost $159,000 in downtown Portland either.

  • Anonymous

    Clueless.

  • Anonymous

    Sometimes, actually all the time, it’s better to let people know that you are paid to post here, there, and elsewhere Naran

  • Anonymous

    why don’t you just say they cost 1,000,000 dollars each?

    after all, we’ re telling fish stories here…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OPAW6MFKY2SIYUQYNRYFVIR3V4 Retiree

    Time to dump Dale Mckormic, get her out. It is not fair that most struggling tax payers can barely make ends meet has to pay for her high price apartments. Just in case are there any kickbacks?

  • StillRelaxin

    That’s all very fine, but please remember that what you’re tired of and what you KNOW for sure or interpret to be true are often very different things from what is real. Especially when where Mr. Poliquin is being use as a source of information.  I don’t know what a fair cost should be but based on the information provided here it’s clearly not close to what Mr. Poliquin likes to have us believe and although it isn’t cheap at least it’s not costing us the 3-4-5 times we might expect from a government we all believe is wasteful. Can these housing prices be brought down? Maybe, but I’d say not without doing harm to others and ourselves. Again I’d look to education as an example. It expensive for sure, and probably wasteful, but has anyone or any political party EVER really done anything to cut the cost significantly? Nope, and they never will. Same will continue to occur in housing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_627Z6GPPA2WEIIW3ZBXSZKFMW4 Mike

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    Dale McCormick does a great job as director of Maine State
    Housing. Mr. Poliquin is playing politics.

     

  • DividedWeFall

    I know of several people that went to McCormick directly to report fraud in the system. McCormick totally ignored these people, rather than fixing the abuse problem. McCormick should have been forced to leave years ago! Maine Housing is a great agency, but needs HONEST management.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    He insists that he has nothing personal against McCormick or MaineHousing, but Poliquin attempted to gain more control of that agency several months ago

    This is just another Republican Power Play for total unlimited control by the Pelican!

  • Anonymous

    Which is exactly why the bald one put her there…to keep someone from kicking over the chamber pots of the party faithful.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    This Republican Administration is doing what they do best!

    Spin the truth to continue support from those gulible enough to believe that they are looking out for thier best interest of the public as they dismantle the government that they see as a threat to the whealthy and the buisness community’s profits.

  • Anonymous

    According to the researched and data driven book Left Turn, Fox News is slightly left of center while the New York Times and Nightly News are very left of center in their reporting. I suppose when you live in a liberal media world Sprucy you get acclimated to hearing what you agree with. The shock that comes when a story doesn’t fit your world-view must be truly frightening to you.

  • Anonymous

    Nicely put. I appreciate Mr. Russel’s comments here, but think he erred by doing this article. I think what happened here also highlights a problem with the media at large. They view their actions as pure intent while looking at others with a jaundiced eye. For example, lets say that a politician was part of an investigation of an agency that worked for the state. Lets then assume that the politician had a brother that worked in the agency in question. Do you think that would become part of the story that the press would report. You may even have oblique references in the story that the politician should recuse himself from the investigation due to possible bias. So the media would treat the politician differently than they would treat themselves.

  • midmainer

    The problem here is Poloquin, he is still using the same tactic he and his republican brothers used in the 2010 campaign, that is dredging up lies and half truths to try to push a completely political agenda.
    There is no way to compare new construction, of highly regulated construction of new multi unit handicap accessible construction to existing single older home prices.
    Poloquin was a developer, perhaps this basic misunderstanding explains why he wasn’t a very good developer.

  • Anonymous

    What kind of harm do you think can be expected from bringing the housing costs down to a reasonable cost? Sure, we should be impressed that the cost is only 2 or 3 times what it should be versus 5 times, great logic.

  • Anonymous

    Personally, I appreciate the relatively new opportunity for reporters and the editorial staff to actively respond to the comments section.  It shows a certain interactivity with the public that provides insightful feedback.

    Having said that, I’m hoping the days of hiring those with merely good political connections over those with skills and experience are over.  The fact that you had, for instance, a carpenter become State Treasurer is inconceivable. 

    I’ve also noticed that McCormick has not easily transitioned herself from the elected political world to one of being a non-partisan administrator.  “Going down swinging” isn’t exactly in the DNA of your typical independent agency director.

  • Anonymous

    They don’t cost $314k.  Poliquin make up that number just to upset people.  He know’s it’s wrong and does not care. 

    BTW, what should an apartment complex in Portland cost?  I don’t know, but I know when a developer rehabs an existing building it will cost more and the location will affect the price.

    Before we all go ballistic over this, we should get more facts and not opinions.  Poliquin is telling a lie.

  • Anonymous

    $300,000 plus is an estimate that is on the table, not actually built yet. Just because our governor and his minions like to disguise innuendo as fact, doesn’t mean the rest of us have to.

  • Anonymous

    cool aid

  • Anonymous

    So if it costs more to rehab current structures versus building new, why are they doing rehabs?

  • Anonymous

    That’s not the same as being a thief. 

    We could accuse any politician of wasting money.  At least 30% of us are going to disagree on just about any line item.  That’s the nature of the beast.

    Post about the problem.  It’s your right.  Don’t make unsubstantiated personal attacks, especially insinuating that someone is a criminal.  That is just plain lack of character.

    If you really are an old Mainer, you oughtta know the difference.

  • Anonymous

    Can you explain to me WHY you believe that affordable housing should be “minimalist and spartan?” My guess is you would prefer these people live in a cardboard box since you think “old & crummy (sic)” is okay. You then suggest that the state renovate “old existing apartments” on the cheap. Clearly, you lack any significant knowledge of building materials and “public” housing requirements. On the cheap means more repairs more often. On the cheap means unsafe under any conditions. On the cheap means MORE EXPENSIVE IN THE LONG RUN. And of course, you would support Poliquin in his deamonizing of the poor in order to score political points.

  • Anonymous

    Both parties are corrupt. I agree. Believe it or not. But the Democrats are not trying. The Republicans are not trying either. It is all about special interests. I believe you have some yourself sprucy

  • Anonymous

    Kooooollll – Aiiiiidddd drinker

  • Anonymous

    It was an excellent article. Please don’t back down. Trolls are all around us!

  • Anonymous

    Poliquin cites a purchase price of an existing 2,000 square foot house at $159,000.

    The cost to build that house today, with average materials and finishes? A minimum of $300,000. And that does not include cost of land, utility hookups, etc.

    Poliquin knows he is comparing apples to oranges – he is a real estate developer.

    BTW – those of you that have insured your house for its value, not replacement cost, might want to call your broker.

  • Anonymous

    Poliquin is using State resources to press his attacks against MSHA and Dale McCormick. Oddly, he appears to be ignoring the $121 million shortfall at DHHS.

  • Anonymous

    Bruce Poliqiun, like his hero, the Gov is on line to destroyee anything that helps the poor and needy in this state.  He is not a true mainer, but a poor excuse for one.

  • http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

    More rabid attack dog politics from the LePage admin. Whatever happened to honest, objective governance?

  • Anonymous

    The $159,000 figure that Poliquin cites is the average purchase price of an existing 2,000 square foot home in Maine. This varies, of course – I found one for $32,000 in downtown Calais.

    What Poliquin does not cite – and he is clearly doing so on purpose – is the current cost to build a 2,000 square foot home in Maine, which even with modest materials and finishes, will run $150 a square foot. Mind, that’s just for the building.

  • Anonymous

    You misread dlaurels statement. The cost of a single family home in Portland (or much of southern Maine) is higher than the average $159,000 purchase price cited by Poliquin. A comparable house can be had in Calais for $32,000.

    The important point is that no matter in Maine where you you do it, it will cost more than $159,000 to build one new.

  • Anonymous

    It is a relentless campaign. Poliquin first mentioned the Elm Terrace project in October at the Town Hall in Thorndike. He then posted about it on his blog 10 November, and at the Town Hall held in Ellsworth later that evening, took a question about the Maine Turnpike Authority and twisted his answer to attack Maine State Housing. Since then, he has sent at least five “bulletins” using the State email system to point recipients to news stories he found to be favorable, ignoring ones that took him to task.

  • Anonymous

    There is no question that there is a lot of money to be made in developing low-income housing. That laws and rules have been written to ensure that is another matter that really should be examined.

  • Anonymous

    Hah!  He’s ‘a numbers guy’, alright.

    And we got his… Very funny.

  • chris reid

    LOL.. what a trifecta box…Paul,Bruce and Charlie.( Apologies to Holywood’s OTB parlor)

  • Bangorscab

    How can anyone maintain that a per unit cost of over $314000 is not questionable for public housing?  Thank you Mr. Poliquin for your concern.  Apparantly Ms. McCormic does not care how she spends our money and seems rather indignant that anyone would question her motives.

    Give us the details where Mr. Poliquin’s figures are off.  Even if he were off by $100,000 per unit it is still exhoborant for public housing.

  • Bangorscab

    Exactly!!!

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t worry about it too much Eric. After all it’s not like you hired your daughter for an “entry level” $42,000 dollar/year job or something.

  • Hopier and Changier This Time

    My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often.

  • Hopier and Changier This Time

    My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don’t have that too often.

  • Anonymous

    First, perhaps the group should agree on the definition of ‘quasi-public’ meaning essentially public
    (as in services rendered) although under private ownership or control, as the definition pertains to
    The Maine Housing Authority ie MaineHousing.

    from MaineHousing.org:

    …”MaineHousing is an independent state agency that bridges public and private housing finance, combining them to benefit Maine’s low and moderate-income people. MaineHousing brings millions of new private and federal housing funds to invest in Maine to create safe, affordable, warm housing.

    The mission of the Maine State Housing Authority is to assist Maine people to obtain and
    maintain decent, safe, affordable housing and services suitable to their unique housing needs. In carrying out this mission, MaineHousing will provide leadership, maximize resources, and promote partnerships to develope and implement sound housing policy. MaineHousing works through its many private and public partners to provide programs and services that make decent, safe housing more affordable and accessible to Maine people. Over 90,000 Maine households will benefit from MaineHousing assistance this year. Our policies and priorities make the most of every
    dollar spent on affordable housing.”

  • Bangorscab

    I assume you are a Maine taxpayer as well as I am.  Isn’t Mr. Poliquin acting in all our best interests by trying to find ot why we are spending so much for public housing?  Your story is very biased towards the Maine Housing interest and very biased against any type of questioning of that group on the part of Mr. Poliguin.

  • Bangorscab

    Instead of saying the same thing over and over, give us the facts that support your claim please.

  • Anonymous

    Treasurer Poloquin is quick to talk about the bond debt, but chooses to talk only about the debt and not the assets created by that debt.  He loves to compare the project in Portland to the state’s median home price.  But is that actually valid?  Yes it sounds high, but lets take a quick look at median home prices in a couple of counties.  Aroostook County’s median home price in September of 2010 was $89,500.  Kennebec’s was $135,000.  Cumberland’s was $230,000.  Using a statewide figure to compare projects would indicate any project or single family house in Cumberland county is far to high.  I wonder if Mr. Poloquin can figure out a way to address that issue!

  • Anonymous

    By that logic we should build the apartments out of styrofoam and packing tape, because that would enable us to build more of them and help more people. Sounds crazy, but I guess that’s what some folks actually want, since it would drive the poor out of Maine and to other states.

    I wonder what it’s like to be heartless…

  • Anonymous

    A 4-unit property for $200K? What kind of condition is it in? Does it need a new roof? New siding? Electrical work? What kind of condition is the heating system in? How well insulated is it? Old run-down buildings are notoriously drafty; if you buy it for $200K and do nothing more than slap some paint on it, how much are you and I (the taxpayers) going to have to spend to heat it?

  • Anonymous

    lets not be silly. noone wants these places to be built so cheaply that they fall apart in a few years. however, i can assure you $250,000 to $300,000 is ridiculous. i could have a 3 bedroom HOUSE built on a piece of property for FAR less than that. all homes require annual maintenance anyway. now if i were building dozens of dwellings…the cost per unit should go down.

  • Anonymous

    on the cheap does not have to mean MORE EXPENSIVE IN THE LONG RUN. it simply means there should be some oversight. would you have a home built for yourself without asking any questions about the expense, and then just accept the fact that it is way overbudget when the bill comes due?

  • Anonymous

    EXACTLY!

  • Anonymous

    you speak of logic but then your comment lacks any at all. really…styrofoam and packing tape? how about common sense?

    I wonder what it is like to senseless…

  • Anonymous

    Get rid of the socialist Democrates.

  • Anonymous

    “The return on a well educated child is my tax dollars will not have to be spent on affordable housing for that child as an adult.”

    Oh really? So you’re saying that a person with an education can’t end up disabled or handicapped, or can’t lose their retirement savings in a ponzi scheme, or can’t get cancer and have to sell all their assets in order to pay for medical care that their insurance company denies? Those are all potential reasons that someone might end up in public housing, and having an education has nothing to do with it.

  • Anonymous

    I was speaking of someone else’s “logic,” not my own. Reading comprehension isn’t your forte, is it?

  • Anonymous

    Tell us more about this “New Deal” of which you mentioned please. Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    There are courses offered in reading comprehension, just so you know that.

  • Anonymous

    relentless is as relentless does.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. I prefer formats like Fox “News” where the news actors interview each other.

  • Anonymous

    just so you know, there are courses in reading comprehension available.

  • Anonymous

    unbelievable because it is unbelievable because it’s not true

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like you did..and lost

  • Anonymous

    Clueless.

  • Anonymous

    Misuse of state funds by Poliquin, as he maligns McCormick. Waiting for lawsuit in 3…2…1…

  • Anonymous

    I think he’s long gone …

    Democrates (Greek: Δημοκράτης) a Pythagorean philosopher, concerning whom little is known. A collection of moral maxims, called the Golden Sentences (Greek: γνμαι χρυσα) has come down to us under his name. They are written in the Ionic dialect, from which some writers have inferred, that they were written at a very early period, whereas others think it more probable that they are the production of the age of Julius Caesar. But nothing can be said with certainty, for want of both external and internal evidence. Some of these sentences are quoted by Stobaeus, and are found in some manuscripts under the name of Democritus. Apollonius of Tyana wrote at least one letter to a Democrates, Epistle 88.

  • Sara Farnsworth

    I am all for giving “the poor and needy in this state” a hand-up, not a hand-out.  How is building a 2-bedroom apartment that costs more than most single-family dwellings helping out the poor and needy?  Can I sell my single-family dwelling and then move into one of these new apartments?  I am not saying that Bruce Poliquin is 100% in the right here, but I have great concern over the amount of money that is being put into these apartment buildings as well… there is no reason the state needs to be spending this much money on low-income housing.

  • Anonymous

    Repeating Poliquin’s lies doesn’t make it true, Naran. But when has the truth ever mattered to you or anyone else from AMG?  Tell your out-of-state corporate sponsors that Maine says hi.

  • Anonymous

    yeah that was alogical leap you cant possibly be defending 314k apt. when a 4 plex could easily be built 4 the same money

  • Anonymous

    Again, these are the purchase price of an existing house. The cost to build a new house in each of these locations would be much more equal.

  • Anonymous

    Since states and local governments are barred by law from borrowing money (that is, issuing bonds), quasi-public agencies were created as a work around.

  • Anonymous

    Not really Gerald.  The costs for materials may be the same, but land costs alone are significantly different.  If you want to buy a large parcel in Portland be prepared to pay a large amount.  In Calais, less than a third of the amount per unit.  And, as other have noted, when you are talking larger rehab projects the costs can go sky high because of issues like asbestos removal, lead paint, etc.  I’ve got a 100+ year old home and dealing with asbestos, lead paint, and structural issues has been an ongoing (and expensive) project.  Add in the $6,000/yr property taxes on a home that is just about the median price for the city and tell why it would be the same!

  • Anonymous

    You don’t think that is the plan do you?  Just being facetious. 

  • Anonymous

    This particular historic building also happens to be subject to environmental hazardous waste abatement by law. It’s not simply a matter of tearing down and building new versus rehab.
    They have to get rid of the lead paint and asbestos, either way. Plus there is a mold problem.

    You may disagree, however, there is some logic in preserving old buildings for the materials while maintaining the character of a neighborhood. The University of Southern Maine owned this building, so I assume it’s nice although I’ve never seen it.

  • Anonymous

    So we can buy an existing 4 unit building for $200,000 or we can build a new 4 unit building for $1,200,000.  It seems to me that we could upgrade the existing building, including a high efficiency heating system, for something less than $1,000,000.

  • http://profiles.google.com/narsbars Narsbars UnionMaine.Blogspot.C

    Regina,
    You are right when you say “Adios. No more handing out our money for your own political gain.
    That means it is time to fire the governor and all of his pals. They gave away tax payer dollars, raided pensions, and handed it all out to help the well off buy yacht polish.
    The poor don’t give political donations, the rich do. By your own logic, this Republican crew has to go.l

  • http://profiles.google.com/narsbars Narsbars UnionMaine.Blogspot.C

    I win! I picked the LePage administration.

  • Anonymous

    Could you? Would the units be handicapped accessible? Sprinklered? Interconnected fire and carbon monoxide alarms? A parking space for each unit, including van-accessible handicap spaces? New windows and insulation? (no point in putting in a new heating system if the heat is just going to end up outside) What about lead and asbestos abatement? What if the building is in a historic zone and the town says you have to use a certain paint, a certain style of window, a certain this, a certain that? This stuff all adds up quicker than you can imagine.

  • Anonymous

    As noted elsewhere, I am considering only the cost of a new building. The value of land, like that of an existing house, is determined by – location, location, location.

    Which is my point – Poliquin is comparing the cost of new construction to the purchase price of an existing building. Apples to oranges, and he knows that. He is misleading the people of Maine, trusting that they will not see the difference. I’ve seen him do it in person twice now – it works.

  • Anonymous

    I was the project architect for the adaptive re-use of the old Baxter Library on Congress Street, not far from the location of the Elm Terrace project. The Maine College of Art was the client – not too many organizations could adapt to building to their needs, and yet as a historic structure that adds much character to the neighborhood, it’s a good thing they did.

  • Anonymous

    Like Poliquin, you are making the mistake of comparing the cost of new construction to that of the purchase price of an existing building. The two are not the same.

    Do you own your home? Compare how much you paid for it against how much it would cost to replace it.

  • http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

    Thank you. One of the Golden Sentences fitting for this article:

    “It is hard to be governed by these who are worse than ourselves.”

    Kudos to McCormick for standing up to the ideologues in Maine government… We need more brave souls like her…

  • http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

    That shortfall figure is in dispute. Given the loose attachment this admin seems to have with honesty, I’d like to see just how they figure DHHS’s shortfall.

  • http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

    If you are a struggling tax payer barely making ends meet, I hope you can see that the republican agenda is hurting you, especially if you are a retiree. The cuts this admin wants to make take needed services away from folks like you. They are not your friend…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    McCormick herself has been quoted as saying the $314K figure for Elm Terrace was “too high.” Unless you’re calling her a liar, too, you may want to rethink the statements you made.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Except you’re wrong, and I’m not paid to post on PPH or BDN pages, or anywhere else I comment as an observer.

    Sorry to disappoint you, since I know the lack of point-scoring will be a dismal loss.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry.  I will spell it out.  Poliquin said MHA spent $314K.  MHA did not spend and he knew it, but he is using that number as if it was the final number.  It is misleading and he knows it. 

    A developer can bid any number they want.  That does not mean MHA agreed to it.  McCormick simply did the right thing by rejecting it.  Poliquin should do the right thing and stop telling the lie that it’s what MHA spent. 

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