Quimby adds more than 11,000 acres to land holdings

Roxanne Quimby
Roxanne Quimby
Posted Sept. 28, 2011, at 2:18 p.m.
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Eric Zelz | BDN

Conservationist Roxanne Quimby has purchased another 11,000 acres east of Baxter State Park, expanding her already-sizable land holdings in the Katahdin region and potentially adding another wrinkle to the debate over her national park plan.

Quimby’s nonprofit land conservation foundation, Elliotsville Plantation Inc., announced Wednesday that Quimby had bought 11,291 acres south of Shin Pond in T4 R7 and T5 R7.

The land, which Quimby purchased from the timberland and development company Lakeville Shores Inc., includes substantial acreage on both sides of the Seboeis River as well as Peaked Mountain. A press release from Elliotsville Plantation Inc. said the property is notable for its white-water canoeing, wild brook trout fishery, upland forests and wetlands.

A co-founder of the Burt’s Bees natural beauty products line, Quimby has used her wealth to purchase more than 100,000 acres of forestland in Maine.

The vast majority of Quimby’s land — including the most recent purchase — is located in the Katahdin region north of Millinocket and east of Baxter State Park. And it’s in that region that Quimby has made her boldest and most hotly debated move yet: a proposal to donate 70,000 acres to the federal government for the creation of a new North Woods National Park.

The Seboeis River tract is not part of the 70,000 acres Quimby hopes will become Maine’s second national park — a desire that is far from being fulfilled given the opposition to federal land ownership among some residents. But in the news release announcing the acquisition, Elliotsville Plantation Inc. suggested that the new land south of Shin Pond could play a role as Quimby seeks to build public support for her park plan.

The foundation said Quimby will allow hunting, snowmobiling and other traditional uses on the land for one year.

“Long term, the acquisition will be part of EPI’s larger plan for multiple-use motorized recreation, hunting and sustainable working forest east of the East Branch [of the Penobscot River] to balance EPI’s proposed donation of 70,000 acres west of the East Branch for a national park,” the release stated.

Mark Leathers, a resource consultant at James W. Sewall Co. who works with Quimby, could not be reached for comment on Wednesday. However, Quimby reportedly has offered area snowmobile clubs five years of access to trails on her property in exchange for their support for a feasibility study of her national park proposal.

The Bowlin-Matagammon-Shin Pond Snowmobile Club is among the groups weighing Quimby’s offer. The club grooms several scenic trails within Quimby’s new tract as well as part of the ITS 114 snowmobile trail that extends into the land, according to club secretary Terry Hill, who also runs Shin Pond Village campground and cottages.

Hill declined to comment on Quimby’s new land acquisition before her club’s Oct. 20 meeting during which members will discuss whether to support a park feasibility study in return for five years of guaranteed access to trails on Quimby land.

Bob Meyers, executive director of the Maine Snowmobile Association, said the more land Quimby owns in the region “the more of a wedge she has” to put under local snowmobile clubs.

“It has put them in a terrible situation,” Meyers said.

While there has been talk about a North Woods national park for more than a decade, Quimby’s latest proposal has changed the debate considerably in a region where “Ban Roxanne” bumper stickers once were commonplace.

Quimby has picked up support from business groups, local governments and residents for at least a feasibility study by proposing a 70,000-acre park, a fraction of the size of the 3.2 million-acre park originally put forward by the group RESTORE: The North Woods.

Additionally, Quimby convinced some former naysayers that her proposal is at least worth considering through her offers to donate 30,000 acres to the state for recreational land open to hunting and snowmobiling as well as her promise to create a $20 million endowment for the national park. Only Congress, the White House or the U.S. Department of the Interior can request a park feasibility study, and then only Congress can create a new park.

Others, however, remain staunchly opposed to the federal government owning any land in a region often described as Maine’s “timber basket.” So it was not surprising that some did not welcome the news that Quimby had purchased additional land in the region.

Millinocket Town Manager Eugene Conlogue, a vocal opponent of Quimby’s national park plan, said the latest purchase is just “her expanding her reach into this area.”

“That’s too bad. That’s a real blow,” he added. “Roxanne is trying to impose her vision on how woods should be on an area that is based on the forest products industry. We do not welcome her taking land out of that industry.”

Supporters of Quimby’s proposal, on the other hand, predict that a new national park would bring tourists and economic development to a region that is losing population and has struggled to keep open its two paper mills. They also praise Quimby for her willingness, in recent years, to reach compromises with snowmobile clubs and sportsmen’s organizations on use of her land.

BDN writer Nick Sambides Jr. contributed to this report.

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  • Anonymous

    Typical liberal progressive. People don’t want it but the libs think they know what’s best for you, never mind what you think. Keep buying land Roxanne, we’ll keep telling you we don’t want a National Park.

    BAN ROXANNE!!!!

  • me in me

    GO AWAY

  • Anonymous

    And get a makeover while you’re at it!!!

    SHEESH!!

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is awesome.  She is the essence of the free market dream, and now she is following the American way, doing what she wants with her money–the only difference is that instead of buying planes, mansions, yachts and factories in China, she is protecting the beauty of nature. 

    No one in Maine should be whining about protecting their heritage and the special qualities of this State that make it the envy of many others. 

  • Anonymous

    Looks like she’s bought you too!!! No one in their right mind would talk like that unless they were getting paid!

  • Anonymous

    This  is like a bad dream that keeps recurring night after night.  She has both the money and the right to buy up vast tracts of land, and then do what she wants with it, but what irks me all to heck is her inherent belief that she knows more about what’s good for the ignorant masses than they do themselves, and she will use intimidation or whatever is necessary to achieve her goals.  The more she pushes, the more Mainers need to push back.  Take your land and stick it, Roxanne!  No National Park, and no cheap taxes because of the tree growth program. If it’s not working forest, then it should be taxed accordingly.

  • Anonymous

    I agree completely, SpruceDweller!  Pay not attention to The_Guvnah, probably a LePage supporter.

  • Anonymous

    One of the few posts I agree with you. :)

  • me in me

    OH  PFFT!!!

  • Anonymous

    I’d love to hear your thoughts on Governor Baxter donating thousands of acres which we now know as Baxter State Park.  I’m sure you view him as you do Quimby!

  • Anonymous

    Pretty soon the signs signs now at Maine’s border will read: “Welcome to Quimbyland.”

  • Anonymous

    The EPA protects nature. She is destroying nature in the long term by now allowing it to be used the way it has been for hundreds to even thousands of years. Native Americans practiced cutting and replanting of the forests because even they knew that by allowing nature to control it, you would end up with huge wildfires that destroy everything. Forests are not a static entity, they live, die, and need some tending. She either doesn’t know or doesn’t care.

  • Anonymous

    We will need a hall pass to go fishing. Oopps, no fishing here.

  • Anonymous

    This is nothing like the bad dream that keeps recurring when we see what our current governor has said/done next.  The majority of Maine certainly didn’t vote for him!

  • Anonymous

    This is nothing like the bad dream that keeps recurring when we see what our current governor has said/done next.  The majority of Maine certainly didn’t vote for him!

  • valgal10

    she is not protecting my heritage, my heritage is hunting and fishing and traditional land uses…everything she wants to outlaw….

  • Anonymous

    Dont put Gov. Baxter’s name in the same sentence as Quimby !! Gov. Baxter worked his whole life and made deals that he didnt want to do just to keep that area out of the fed. goverments hands !This thing with a national park has been going on since the 30′s.If you want to know the truth read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percival_Proctor_Baxter

  • Anonymous

    Bad dream??

    Last I read he just brought back hundreds of jobs in the Katahdin region.

    Sounds like cloud nine to me.

    It’s a good thing we’ve got him, or we’d still be up Baldacci creek without a paddle.

  • Anonymous

    Oh please!!!   Has nature been destroyed in Yellowstone?  I think not.  And why would you think her proposed National Park would be any different?

  • Anonymous

    Nothing sets off the right wing fringe like a rich liberal.  Seems they just can’t wrap thier strange little mnds around the concept.

  • Anonymous

    My point is that he ran into opposition as well and Baxter is now viewed as a gem of Maine, rightfully so.   Who is to say Quimby’s attempts will not be viewed as a gem by our future generations.

  • Anonymous

    When a mill is on the market long enough, it will eventually be sold regardless of who is Governor. 

  • Anonymous

    She’s a Socialist pure and simple. I’d trust her as much as I’d trust a goat to tend cabbage. Actually I have more faith in the goat.

  • Anonymous

    A big difference Baxter was saveing the land from the goverment, Quimby wants to give it to them !!

  • Anonymous

    Good Bath Salts today Maine?

  • Anonymous

    I hope she likes her land, but when she wants to make it a federal issue— well then,,, she has never shown us anything but lies, threats and broken promises.

    I really do hope she enjoys “her land”
    Just as long as it stays “her land”….!
     

    .

  • Anonymous

      How about this for an idea.  Create a tax law that taxes all land in excess of 1000 acres  and is restricted for public use, is taxed at a business land use rate.  If someone wants to remove traditional uses of the land from public use, then at least make some money off it.  She owns the land and has the right to do what she wants with it, that ‘s the American way.  It’s also the American way to tax as we deem necessary. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4L63GCXJWMMCZUDDAVEFLEQLRI matt

    why don’t you just buy the rest of the state and ban human life on it. Our beautiful state is getting turned in to a national park.. kicking and screaming.

  • valgal10

    hind sight is 20/20…

  • valgal10

    hind sight is 20/20…

  • Anonymous

    This is wonderful.  Thank you Ms. Quimby for all that you are doing to make the National Park a reality!

  • Anonymous

    This is wonderful.  Thank you Ms. Quimby for all that you are doing to make the National Park a reality!

  • Anonymous

    Obviously she is a capitalist. Do you even know what socialism is?

  • Anonymous

    Obviously she is a capitalist. Do you even know what socialism is?

  • Anonymous

    My heritage is protecting the environment and conservation.  I guess that I effectively cancel you out.

  • Anonymous

    My heritage is protecting the environment and conservation.  I guess that I effectively cancel you out.

  • Anonymous

    She’s dangerous and needs to be stopped. I think it’s way past time to pass laws forcing land owners to either allow traditional uses for large tracts of open land (fees allowed of course) or tax the hell out of them. We don’t need Quimby or anyone else buying up the land and locking it away from the traditional uses. There are Maine laws on the books which pertain to access to open water which Quimby nor any other land baron can argue with.  She and her ilk are ruining the Maine traditions we all grew up with….flatlander.

  • Anonymous

    She’s dangerous and needs to be stopped. I think it’s way past time to pass laws forcing land owners to either allow traditional uses for large tracts of open land (fees allowed of course) or tax the hell out of them. We don’t need Quimby or anyone else buying up the land and locking it away from the traditional uses. There are Maine laws on the books which pertain to access to open water which Quimby nor any other land baron can argue with.  She and her ilk are ruining the Maine traditions we all grew up with….flatlander.

  • Anonymous

    Not when the owners plan to destroy the mills if not sold by a certain date.. anyone that knows the facts of what was faced with finding a buyer for these mills knows it wasn’t an easy task!  Job well done by all involved, including LePage!

  • Anonymous

    Not when the owners plan to destroy the mills if not sold by a certain date.. anyone that knows the facts of what was faced with finding a buyer for these mills knows it wasn’t an easy task!  Job well done by all involved, including LePage!

  • Anonymous

    I agree, she is getting to greedy in trying to prove her point.  While we can’t stop her we can stick to our guns and tax her like all others

  • Anonymous

    I agree, she is getting to greedy in trying to prove her point.  While we can’t stop her we can stick to our guns and tax her like all others

  • Anonymous

    You do realize that the majority of Maine didn’t vote for Baldacci either.

    So what is your next angry stupid arguement?

  • Anonymous

    You do realize that the majority of Maine didn’t vote for Baldacci either.

    So what is your next angry stupid arguement?

  • Anonymous

    Baxter was saving the land from being defaced, and so is Quimby.

  • Anonymous

    Baxter was saving the land from being defaced, and so is Quimby.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1027429683 Jason Heidi N’ Johnson

    I’m sure the folks in Shin Pond Village who survive in no small part thanks to ATVs, snowmobilers, hunters and fishermen will applaud this move . . .

    I’ve said it before . . . and I’ll say it again . . . there is room for everyone and everyone’s favorite outdoor activities whether motorized or non-motorized. However, just coming in and closing off traditional uses of the land will not win Quimby any more supporters and will most likely just drive folks to oppose her and her plans.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1027429683 Jason Heidi N’ Johnson

    I’m sure the folks in Shin Pond Village who survive in no small part thanks to ATVs, snowmobilers, hunters and fishermen will applaud this move . . .

    I’ve said it before . . . and I’ll say it again . . . there is room for everyone and everyone’s favorite outdoor activities whether motorized or non-motorized. However, just coming in and closing off traditional uses of the land will not win Quimby any more supporters and will most likely just drive folks to oppose her and her plans.

  • Anonymous

    National Parks are aware of all this, and do focus on maximizing the health of the ecosystem.  Timber companies maximize their profits and put the health of the land second.  Big difference. 

  • Anonymous

    National Parks are aware of all this, and do focus on maximizing the health of the ecosystem.  Timber companies maximize their profits and put the health of the land second.  Big difference. 

  • Anonymous

    Step up to the plate or put down your bat.

  • Anonymous

    Step up to the plate or put down your bat.

  • Anonymous

    “She is the essence of the free market dream” – Please explain.

    She wants to take a working forest off the tax rolls and turn it into a government run entity. That is hardly the free market dream.

    “No one in Maine should be whining about protecting their heritage and the special qualities of this State that make it the envy of many others.”

    The Maine heritage is based on the outdoors and outdoor recreation, which includes hunting fishing, hiking, snowmobiling, etc. She is actually restricting our heritage (unless you live in Portland). 

  • Anonymous

    “She is the essence of the free market dream” – Please explain.

    She wants to take a working forest off the tax rolls and turn it into a government run entity. That is hardly the free market dream.

    “No one in Maine should be whining about protecting their heritage and the special qualities of this State that make it the envy of many others.”

    The Maine heritage is based on the outdoors and outdoor recreation, which includes hunting fishing, hiking, snowmobiling, etc. She is actually restricting our heritage (unless you live in Portland). 

  • Anonymous

    All that land is  defaced its been defaced a hundred times or more thats whats so great about a working forest it just keeps growing back !!

  • Anonymous

    All that land is  defaced its been defaced a hundred times or more thats whats so great about a working forest it just keeps growing back !!

  • Anonymous

    Ha ha ha. That’s quite a stretch!! Nice try!

  • Anonymous

    Ha ha ha. That’s quite a stretch!! Nice try!

  • Anonymous

    Well since this will never be a national park I don’t think any of that applies. Timber companies don’t just go out and wreck the forest. They replant and renew. Things have come a long ways in the past 100 years.

  • Anonymous

    Well since this will never be a national park I don’t think any of that applies. Timber companies don’t just go out and wreck the forest. They replant and renew. Things have come a long ways in the past 100 years.

  • Anonymous

    Socialists don’t believe in private property.  Quimby is purchasing private property and doing what she wants with it, according to free market American economic principles.

    Conclusion, she is not a socialist, and you are wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Socialists don’t believe in private property.  Quimby is purchasing private property and doing what she wants with it, according to free market American economic principles.

    Conclusion, she is not a socialist, and you are wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Your heritage is living in a beautiful wilderness State.  Once that’s gone, so is Maine’s soul.

  • Anonymous

    Your heritage is living in a beautiful wilderness State.  Once that’s gone, so is Maine’s soul.

  • Anonymous

    THANK YOU  H. C.  HAYNES Family for filling your pockets and supporting her.  Glad to see you care about the all the Neighbors, Families and even employees of yours that have grew up in this area . Your business has been going for years and I figured you would respect those people enough not to sell to this woman…….. Well you can go on a big vacation during Mud Season……….

  • Anonymous

    THANK YOU  H. C.  HAYNES Family for filling your pockets and supporting her.  Glad to see you care about the all the Neighbors, Families and even employees of yours that have grew up in this area . Your business has been going for years and I figured you would respect those people enough not to sell to this woman…….. Well you can go on a big vacation during Mud Season……….

  • Anonymous

    Your view:  let’s keep tearing up the land and seeing how long it can regenerate back to an anemic state, while we focus on money.

    Quimby’s view:  Nature can be majestic, inspiring and full of great miracles, and the more you nurture it, the more spiritual and aesthetic benefits you and the soul of your State get.

  • Anonymous

    Your view:  let’s keep tearing up the land and seeing how long it can regenerate back to an anemic state, while we focus on money.

    Quimby’s view:  Nature can be majestic, inspiring and full of great miracles, and the more you nurture it, the more spiritual and aesthetic benefits you and the soul of your State get.

  • Anonymous

    Timber companies create a very different landscape than a wilderness.  Once a wilderness matures, it is awesome and majestic–far beyond anything a timber company will allow as they strive to maximize profits, treating the land like nothing more than raw materials to exploit.

  • Anonymous

    Timber companies create a very different landscape than a wilderness.  Once a wilderness matures, it is awesome and majestic–far beyond anything a timber company will allow as they strive to maximize profits, treating the land like nothing more than raw materials to exploit.

  • Anonymous

    She became a multi-millionaire in a free market economy.  She grew rich from her own enterprise and ingenuity.  Tell me how that isn’t the American dream?

    What you’re complaining about is what she is going to do with the money she earned.  If she wants to buy something and give it away, so what?  Billionaires do that all the time.  They donate to universities, create things like the Nobel prize, by expensive art that cost 100 million dollars for a single painting. 

    Billionaires all get subsides and handouts from the government all the time.  Rockefeller got all kinds of government benefits.  The Railroad companies in the 19th century got all kinds of free land.

    Quimby has made her millions, now she can do whatever she wants.  That’s the American dream, too.

    As for the heritage of Maine, it is beautiful and vast wilderness, not snowmobiling.  For most of the history of Maine, snowgos didn’t even exist.  How long have they been around, a few decades?

    Take away beautiful wilderness, and you take away the soul of Maine.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks!

  • 525_44

    Where do you live? Where have you been living?
    This is a beautiful state and Roxanne is wrong for it.

    Maine’s soul is not in the land but in the people who have worked it for generations.

    She is not protecting anyone but herself and her own grandiose delusions of what she has decided what is best for the people who live here, just as people from away have been always doing.
    Let her forest rot around her, then we will see how beautiful her land is. I picture her sitting on a rock surrounded by blow downs and starving animals that are overpopulated and sick and no trees for shade. Nice.

    The balance you see as nature cannot be returned. You live in a fantasy world where you think all is peace and harmony in the forest. Nature itself is full of chaos, sex and murder…so lovely isn’t it.

  • Anonymous

    Would you please provide a citation to the law(s) you refer to.  Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    I’d like to know who is on the board of Elliotsville Plantation Inc……somehow the EPI website omits that information…..

  • 525_44

    No not a stretch P has it right.
    Forests are alive and hers will blow down around her.

  • Anonymous

    wow, I sometimes wonder if Quimby might be the answer for governor of our great state??? She is a better, more successful business person than Lepage, and like her or not she’s got her eyes on the prize when it comes to what she wants. I don’t agree with her every move but i admire her for her tenacity and putting her money where her mouth is. If she buys anymore acreage in this state, she might be able to declare herself governor.

  • 525_44

    Then it falls down!
    There is your grand awesome and majestic result!

    The land is a resource that has uses, many uses. I use my land as farmland and a huge woodlot that has been managed for generations, no problems here with cutting it every 10-15 years. At least it is cut before it rots and is useless, cutting the trees makes room for more to grow.

    You don’t get it and never will because you have NEVER LIVED it.

  • Anonymous

    I have no problem with her buying land, what I have a problem with is her giving it to the government so that we get stuck with the bill for managing it. There is currently about 3.5 million acres of Maine forest land being properly manage by North Maine Woods Inc. so that all can use the land. This lady is not looking out for the interests of the Maine heritage.
     
    And just like you said “Take away beautiful wilderness, and you take away the soul of Maine”. Which is what she is doing.
     

  • Anonymous

    She wants to turn it over to the government. That will not be private property.

  • Anonymous

    You know what?  We have no idea what we, the taxpayers of Maine, paid for those jobs.  The only thing we know for sure is that we agreed to become the owners of a toxic dump.  I know that people are desperate, but let’s give it some time before we proclaim sainthood here.

  • Anonymous

    That was just a tactic to get the locals freaked out, and it worked.

  • Anonymous

    She’s purchasing and doing what she wants with private property.  That’s not socialism.

  • Anonymous

    looking at the division in the area it is a little strange to see the dems are the ones screaming they don’t want this and the conservativess and repubs being the ones who do. Things are a bit backwards from what you see on here. I laugh at being called a lib for supporting the park study! I’m a registered republican! Usually, but not always, vote the party line!

  • Anonymous

    I agree that the people are part of the soul of Maine, but so is the beautiful wilderness.  It takes both.  People alone are, let’s face it, greedy and selfish.  They will take and take and take, and could care less about future generations, for the most part.

    I want my great grand kids — and beyond — to enjoy the Maine wilderness in all its vastness.

    Again, a National Park does not just let the forest “rot.”  There’s plenty of management, and the result is a real celebration of the miracle of  the Creation, not money and greed.

  • Anonymous

    Shhhhhhhh… Its a secret !!

  • Anonymous

    So why not be a capitalist about it and run her own park? Charge whatever she wants for access and restrict it however she wants.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah right next to LePage’s “Open for Business” because you won’t be able to hunt, fish or do anything else……Maine the way life USED to be…..UGH.

  • Anonymous

    I’d be willing to bet you’ve never set foot on any of the land Quimby has blocked off.

    I’d put money on it.

  • Anonymous

    Guess what?  You’re subsidizing the activities of every single billionaire in this country, because they all know how to lobby the government and get pork, perks and subsidies.  At least Quimby is doing something noble, instead of harming America and Americans by taking factories to China.

    Land that’s timbered, even sustainably, is land whose beauty is secondary to the profit and greed of a corporation.  Often, that corporation is willing to sacrifice sustainable standards for extra profit, if they can get away with it.

    I saw a timber company clear cut 2000 years old redwood trees, Maxxam in California, and say they were living the American Dream.  I like how Quimby is living it much better.

    A National Park focuses on the health and beauty of great miraculous majestic land.  There’s no way that’s taking away the soul of the land.

    Let’s not forget that a National Park creates jobs:  primary, secondary and tertiary jobs as tourists flock in.  It creates jobs for hundreds of years guaranteed.

    In other words, the benefits far outweigh the costs, even in the economic sense you are taking about.
     

  • Anonymous

    You know nothing about me, you just, arrogantly, think you know.

    Your argument seems to be that land just rots if it isn’t turned into a tree plantation.  Guess what?  Nature has been taking care of the forest a lot longer than you.  And nature was vast and beautiful before humans chopped down all the six foot diameter white pines.

    Step out of the box and try to imagine what nature can be if we help it return to its true greatness.

  • Anonymous

    She will own half the state pretty soon….

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure H.C. Haynes, owner of Lakeville Shores, has cut the area considerably to harvest the timber. And now Roxanne Quimby can restore the land to its natural beauty.  Thank you, Ms. Quimby for your conservation efforts.  Much appreciated.

  • Anonymous

    when was the last time Baxter Park was cut? I’m not talking about the lands bought since the beginning of the park but the actual original park lands?

  • Anonymous

    If I recall Ms Quimby founded her business “Burt’s Bees” in Dover-Foxcroft Maine, but apparently things were not going her way and she beat feet it out of here for North Carolina.  So if she couldn’t make it work here and left us behind, why would we trust her now and in the future?

  • Anonymous

    anyone for the park has to be paid off by Roxanne….they don’t understand how anyone can be for it….How short sighted they are! Thank the Lord that Gov Baxter didn’t listen to the nay sayers back then and hopefully Roxanne won’t listen to them now!

  • Anonymous

    I get your drift, you don’t get be be a legendary folk hero until you are many years safely dead and in the ground.  In the meantime you have to put in your time as the spawn of the devil and quite likely a local antichrist.    Poor Roxanne, reviled and defamed by you and your ilk;  is the fate of  her or anyone with surpassing breath of vision and desire and opportunity to seize the moment to strike a blow for the preservation of our finite natural resources for the benefit of our posterity.  It just goes to show shining vision and twisted stupidity are renewable resources up Maine way!

  • Anonymous

    How about this….No property rights for anyone? Anyone can go any where they want regardless of who owns what! That is what you all seem to want….I’ll just need your addy so I can let everyone know that it is ok for them to use your land. Big landowners have rights just like everyone else. Take theirs away and lose yours too….

  • Anonymous

    they are talking about a law made back in the 1800′s in Mass, when Maine was part of them. It grants access to any body of water more than 10 acres big…..or some such thing….are there any pond on her property that fit the letter of this law?

  • Anonymous

    She could also buy it and simply sit on it, like many ultra-rich do.  The value of that land is going to go up over the decades and even centuries.

    I think she’s doing what she things is good and right.  There is a higher law than capitalism.  A lot of people believe that.  All Christians believe that, for example.

  • Anonymous

    Your arugment:  If I have never been to Baxter or the surrounding area, my arguments are invalid.

    Counter argument:  Arguments are arguments.  Evaluate them on their reasoning

  • Anonymous

    I have hunted on that parcel of land since i was a kid and it was cut a few years ago but not that bad. Glad I can take my son there and look at the trees rather than the traditional hunting that puts food on my table………………….

  • Anonymous

    Enough of her already, starting to get sickening. Though we know the owner of the BDN is certainly in her boat.

  • Anonymous

    Protecting is not the problem. Being an extremist is.

  • Anonymous

    What the heck, You and  spruce Dweller are writing like college professors with your fancy writing!! I see your not from here either!!

  • Anonymous

    Yet another inconvenient truth.

  • Anonymous

    Their is no comparison in her to Gov. Baxter. He actually believe in balance.

  • Anonymous

    Gov. Baxter also believed in hunting. The BSP Authority has made some major messes of what he has created. She does not even want anyone walking on her land. Baxter gave the park to the PEOPLE of the State of Maine to enjoy. NOT quite Quimby’s thoughts.

  • Anonymous

    Doing like the ultra-rich and not paying here share of taxes on it.

  • Anonymous

    I think 1977 the last time there was a major forest fire.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly as I suspected. You got no skin in this game.

  • Anonymous

    Try 1600′s, and yes there is.

  • Anonymous

    If someone wants to camp out or ride snow sled on my land they can have at it !!Oh they do ride sleds on my land

  • Anonymous

    can’t see the forest for the trees?

    maine has been managing its forests for timber production so long that we don’t even know what a mature forest looks like.

  • Anonymous

    fancy writing?  like know the difference between your and you’re?

    have a nice day.

  • Anonymous

    So unless humans manage the forest for their own comfort/profit benefit they will, as you say, “blow down”?   I look forward to your explanation of this theory.  And by theory I mean absurd anthropocentric hypothesis.

  • Anonymous

    I do agree she cares about the enviroment but at the same time she is doing like other super rich are doing… buying land. Land is a very valuable asset to have. Some of the richest in the world always buy land. As we become over populated, land shrinks. To buy land is to, yes protect our nature’s existence, but also to have what is becoming extinct. It can provide a huge return in the future. But that is usually when they sell it to development. I am for growth in a region and north western maine is in need of that, but I also understand why land has become so valuable. Go ahead and cut the trees, they will grow back. But don’t expect that land to never be sold again. That is not the complete game here. The game is to own land. I also want to see growth so I don’t oppose it… just saying.

  • Anonymous

    At least you admit that the masses are ignorant.

  • Anonymous

    hahahaa

  • Anonymous

    BAN THE_GUVNAH!!

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    BAN ROXANNE!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t understand this idea that since something is “traditional” then YOU  have a right to enjoy it for free, forever, regardless of the landowner’s wishes. Are you an anarchist?

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    I think the state should ban large land owners…in fact if I were in charge somewhere I’d push for it…all this will lead to is undermanagement of the wildlife population and forests that will never become properly managed and for hundreds of hunters to never bring economy to maine.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not true, they would have been scrapped had this deal not gone through.  What reason would Brookfield have for keeping them? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

       Maybe Quimby only wants to take it away from everybody else forever and the only way to do that is to give it to the federal government with stipulations to keep the people out!

        Maybe she knows that she is mortal like the rest of us but wants to be able to give the people the finger forever!

       Maybe the Maine Government should pass laws limiting this type of land holding ‘s  hostage taking!

  • Anonymous

    I’m a construction worker I can’t write my grammar on here !

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    But that would be against people’s property rights. If someone or an INC owns land then they can sell it to anyone. and anyone can buy it. That would be like the government telling you, you can only own one property. It’s no different, if people have the money, it is their right to buy land and do with it as they please. Or are you trying to that Property Owners don’t have rights no matter the size of property the buy/own?

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    Maybe she will ahve better success then LePage…

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    Maybe she will ahve better success then LePage…

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    Maybe she will ahve better success then LePage…

  • yowsayowsa1

     I like the way you think.

  • yowsayowsa1

     I like the way you think.

  • yowsayowsa1

     I like the way you think.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Baxters view!

    He said “Man is born to die. His works are short-lived. Buildings crumble, monuments decay, and wealth vanishes, but Katahdin in all it’s glory forever shall remain the mountain of the people of Maine.”

     If Roxanne Quimby wants to give it to the people of Maine to “Use”   GREAT! Thank You Roxanne from myself and all future generations.

       If she wants it to sit as a Monument to her legacy and leave it off limits to the people of Maine through her selfish  private vision as a Park to Wildlife Only, I hope that her ideological Monument  fades and crumbles along with her!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Baxters view!

    He said “Man is born to die. His works are short-lived. Buildings crumble, monuments decay, and wealth vanishes, but Katahdin in all it’s glory forever shall remain the mountain of the people of Maine.”

     If Roxanne Quimby wants to give it to the people of Maine to “Use”   GREAT! Thank You Roxanne from myself and all future generations.

       If she wants it to sit as a Monument to her legacy and leave it off limits to the people of Maine through her selfish  private vision as a Park to Wildlife Only, I hope that her ideological Monument  fades and crumbles along with her!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Baxters view!

    He said “Man is born to die. His works are short-lived. Buildings crumble, monuments decay, and wealth vanishes, but Katahdin in all it’s glory forever shall remain the mountain of the people of Maine.”

     If Roxanne Quimby wants to give it to the people of Maine to “Use”   GREAT! Thank You Roxanne from myself and all future generations.

       If she wants it to sit as a Monument to her legacy and leave it off limits to the people of Maine through her selfish  private vision as a Park to Wildlife Only, I hope that her ideological Monument  fades and crumbles along with her!

  • yowsayowsa1

     All her promises will be totally ignored if the NPS takes over ownership of this land.

     She KNOWS this and that is why she is using this approach to coerce people into supporting her plan.

     If you support the park proposal, expect NOTHING in return, and then you won’t face disappointment later.

  • yowsayowsa1

     All her promises will be totally ignored if the NPS takes over ownership of this land.

     She KNOWS this and that is why she is using this approach to coerce people into supporting her plan.

     If you support the park proposal, expect NOTHING in return, and then you won’t face disappointment later.

  • yowsayowsa1

     All her promises will be totally ignored if the NPS takes over ownership of this land.

     She KNOWS this and that is why she is using this approach to coerce people into supporting her plan.

     If you support the park proposal, expect NOTHING in return, and then you won’t face disappointment later.

  • Anonymous

    HC Haynes is selling out. They made their money now they are taking the woodlands out of production. Way to go.

  • Anonymous

    HC Haynes is selling out. They made their money now they are taking the woodlands out of production. Way to go.

  • Anonymous

    HC Haynes is selling out. They made their money now they are taking the woodlands out of production. Way to go.

  • yowsayowsa1

     The only people on the board of EPI are Roxanne Quimby and Roxanne Quimby’s ego.

     There is no room for anyone else.

  • yowsayowsa1

     The only people on the board of EPI are Roxanne Quimby and Roxanne Quimby’s ego.

     There is no room for anyone else.

  • yowsayowsa1

     The only people on the board of EPI are Roxanne Quimby and Roxanne Quimby’s ego.

     There is no room for anyone else.

  • Anonymous

    You think the land she buys from Haynes is majestic? I know that it is absolutely barbequed, whacked, hammered, bombed. Skidder trails and red maple whips that’s all that’s left.

  • Anonymous

    You think the land she buys from Haynes is majestic? I know that it is absolutely barbequed, whacked, hammered, bombed. Skidder trails and red maple whips that’s all that’s left.

  • Anonymous

    You think the land she buys from Haynes is majestic? I know that it is absolutely barbequed, whacked, hammered, bombed. Skidder trails and red maple whips that’s all that’s left.

  • Anonymous

    She is the cause of this type of cutting practice. Nobody else would buy it but her and they know this.

  • Anonymous

    She is the cause of this type of cutting practice. Nobody else would buy it but her and they know this.

  • Anonymous

    With all that land that no one can go on,  i’d say that would be a great place to build a retirement cabin.  If it were me, id never leave!

  • Anonymous

    With all that land that no one can go on,  i’d say that would be a great place to build a retirement cabin.  If it were me, id never leave!

  • Anonymous

    With all that land that no one can go on,  i’d say that would be a great place to build a retirement cabin.  If it were me, id never leave!

  • Anonymous

    It IS a proven fact that properly managed land with proper selective tree cutting as a healthier safer forest! It IS also a proven FACT that when you let a forest completly go back to nature you have more forest fires! I for one would rather see a nice selective healthy cut lot of land than I would one that sits for many years nothing but a blackened wasteland!

  • Anonymous

    It IS a proven fact that properly managed land with proper selective tree cutting as a healthier safer forest! It IS also a proven FACT that when you let a forest completly go back to nature you have more forest fires! I for one would rather see a nice selective healthy cut lot of land than I would one that sits for many years nothing but a blackened wasteland!

  • Anonymous

    It IS a proven fact that properly managed land with proper selective tree cutting as a healthier safer forest! It IS also a proven FACT that when you let a forest completly go back to nature you have more forest fires! I for one would rather see a nice selective healthy cut lot of land than I would one that sits for many years nothing but a blackened wasteland!

  • Anonymous

    Of course we get the bill for managing our public parks. We also get the bill for managing thousands of acres of  forest in those public lots the people of Maine finally got after decades of having been used as their own by timber companies. Whether public park, preserve or harvested forest, who else should get the bill?   Does North Maine Woods actually manage all that acreage? I thought it was created as a separate entity to handle public access to and travel through land belonging to the various landowners. As for the “soul” of Maine, as some put it, the I think the idea is expressed best byPulitzer Prixe-winning novelist and wilderness advocate Wallace Stegner: “We need wilderness preserved – as much of it as is still left. The reminder and the reassurance that it is still there is good for our spiritual health even if we never once in ten years set foot in it. It is good for us when we are young, because of the incomparable sanity it can bring briefly, as vacation rest, into our insane lives. It is important to us when we are old simply because it is there – important that is, simply as an idea.” Wilderness as an intangible and spiritual source, he said, “will seem mystical to the practical -minded – but then anything that cannot be moved by a bulldozer is likely to seem mystical to them.
    Granted, the lands Roxanne Quimby proposes to give to her fellow citizens are not virgin wilderness – that disappeared nearly two centuries ago at least. But wilderness can be reborn if we allow it. She hopes to do so with part of her holdings to help assure survival of the very values expressed by Stegner. The presence of untrammeled wilderness is in and of itself a resource, one we need in order to help affirm our own place as mere brush strokes on nature’s canvas.

  • Anonymous

    Of course we get the bill for managing our public parks. We also get the bill for managing thousands of acres of  forest in those public lots the people of Maine finally got after decades of having been used as their own by timber companies. Whether public park, preserve or harvested forest, who else should get the bill?   Does North Maine Woods actually manage all that acreage? I thought it was created as a separate entity to handle public access to and travel through land belonging to the various landowners. As for the “soul” of Maine, as some put it, the I think the idea is expressed best byPulitzer Prixe-winning novelist and wilderness advocate Wallace Stegner: “We need wilderness preserved – as much of it as is still left. The reminder and the reassurance that it is still there is good for our spiritual health even if we never once in ten years set foot in it. It is good for us when we are young, because of the incomparable sanity it can bring briefly, as vacation rest, into our insane lives. It is important to us when we are old simply because it is there – important that is, simply as an idea.” Wilderness as an intangible and spiritual source, he said, “will seem mystical to the practical -minded – but then anything that cannot be moved by a bulldozer is likely to seem mystical to them.
    Granted, the lands Roxanne Quimby proposes to give to her fellow citizens are not virgin wilderness – that disappeared nearly two centuries ago at least. But wilderness can be reborn if we allow it. She hopes to do so with part of her holdings to help assure survival of the very values expressed by Stegner. The presence of untrammeled wilderness is in and of itself a resource, one we need in order to help affirm our own place as mere brush strokes on nature’s canvas.

  • Anonymous

    Of course we get the bill for managing our public parks. We also get the bill for managing thousands of acres of  forest in those public lots the people of Maine finally got after decades of having been used as their own by timber companies. Whether public park, preserve or harvested forest, who else should get the bill?   Does North Maine Woods actually manage all that acreage? I thought it was created as a separate entity to handle public access to and travel through land belonging to the various landowners. As for the “soul” of Maine, as some put it, the I think the idea is expressed best byPulitzer Prixe-winning novelist and wilderness advocate Wallace Stegner: “We need wilderness preserved – as much of it as is still left. The reminder and the reassurance that it is still there is good for our spiritual health even if we never once in ten years set foot in it. It is good for us when we are young, because of the incomparable sanity it can bring briefly, as vacation rest, into our insane lives. It is important to us when we are old simply because it is there – important that is, simply as an idea.” Wilderness as an intangible and spiritual source, he said, “will seem mystical to the practical -minded – but then anything that cannot be moved by a bulldozer is likely to seem mystical to them.
    Granted, the lands Roxanne Quimby proposes to give to her fellow citizens are not virgin wilderness – that disappeared nearly two centuries ago at least. But wilderness can be reborn if we allow it. She hopes to do so with part of her holdings to help assure survival of the very values expressed by Stegner. The presence of untrammeled wilderness is in and of itself a resource, one we need in order to help affirm our own place as mere brush strokes on nature’s canvas.

  • Anonymous

    If only!

  • Anonymous

    If only!

  • Anonymous

    If only!

  • Anonymous

    I agree with valgal so this puts you back in second.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with valgal so this puts you back in second.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with valgal so this puts you back in second.

  • Anonymous

    Really – do you have any idea how that makes you sound – like some poor abandoned kitten?  I commend her for starting a successful business and finding ways to make it stronger by reducing costs. Why does every back-woods type in Maine think this woman owes them something?

  • Anonymous

    Really – do you have any idea how that makes you sound – like some poor abandoned kitten?  I commend her for starting a successful business and finding ways to make it stronger by reducing costs. Why does every back-woods type in Maine think this woman owes them something?

  • Anonymous

    Really – do you have any idea how that makes you sound – like some poor abandoned kitten?  I commend her for starting a successful business and finding ways to make it stronger by reducing costs. Why does every back-woods type in Maine think this woman owes them something?

  • Anonymous

    “I’m for limited government and expanded liberties….except when it regards the rights of someone I disagree with” — Every far right hypocrite on these comment sections

  • Anonymous

    “I’m for limited government and expanded liberties….except when it regards the rights of someone I disagree with” — Every far right hypocrite on these comment sections

  • Anonymous

    “I’m for limited government and expanded liberties….except when it regards the rights of someone I disagree with” — Every far right hypocrite on these comment sections

  • Anonymous

    My new favorite hobby is going to be tresspassing on her land!

  • Anonymous

    My new favorite hobby is going to be tresspassing on her land!

  • Anonymous

    My new favorite hobby is going to be tresspassing on her land!

  • Anonymous

    So, if someone doesn’t agree with your views on this issue they are on the take, hopelessly corrupt, devoid of honesty, decency, and intellectual integrity, and insane to boot!

    Gimme a break Jake!

  • Anonymous

    So, if someone doesn’t agree with your views on this issue they are on the take, hopelessly corrupt, devoid of honesty, decency, and intellectual integrity, and insane to boot!

    Gimme a break Jake!

  • Anonymous

    So, if someone doesn’t agree with your views on this issue they are on the take, hopelessly corrupt, devoid of honesty, decency, and intellectual integrity, and insane to boot!

    Gimme a break Jake!

  • Anonymous

    You could have purchased the land and kept it open to everyone to hunt on if it meant that much to you.

  • Anonymous

    You could have purchased the land and kept it open to everyone to hunt on if it meant that much to you.

  • Anonymous

    You could have purchased the land and kept it open to everyone to hunt on if it meant that much to you.

  • Anonymous

    Where do you get these facts that a NP will prohibit those sorts of uses? Hunting and fishing are allowed in NP. Of course it depends on the charter of the park but there is no saying what will or won’t be allowed.

  • Anonymous

    So you’d rather see a National Park in place that will be another tax burden that will have few low wage jobs than see 100s of people go back to work and a business that will be paying more taxes? 

  • Anonymous

    AMEN and can I get a Hallelujah someone else gets it.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I am aware of the Great Pond Law, and it does date back to the time when Maine was a part of the Massachusetts Bay Colony.  However, folks seem to be advocating forcing private landholders to conform with their desires.  Wrestling land rights from others is a card that has already been played in this country.  Ownership grants rights, if the owner opts to share those rights, then they become a privilege.  However, if the owner opts to limit access, that is a right of their ownership.  I do not know if the Great Pond Law would survive in today’s legal environment.  The opportunity to test the law may come sooner rather than later if pieces of Maine continue to be sold.

  • Anonymous

    Well said.

  • Anonymous

    I got it!  Roxanne Quimby the “cause” of clear cutting in Maine.  Was she a tail gunner on a Japanese torpedo bomber at Pearl Harbor too?

  • Anonymous

    and just what do you know about forests?

  • Anonymous

    This woman is up to something. She has the money so I think she wants to immortalize her name . It will cost us dearly some how some where.

  • Anonymous

    This woman is up to something. She has the money so I think she wants to immortalize her name . It will cost us dearly some how some where.

  • Anonymous

    Hey that’s great, Roxanne. Now you own, what?, 81,000 acres? Pay the same taxes on your land that the rest of us do and SHUT THE HECK UP!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Everyone gets on Quimby’s case for buying the land yet the landowners that sold the land to her are equally culpable.    I’m not seeing a lot of complaints about the sellers of the properties in question.
    There are only two or three negative statements in this thread about Lakeville Shores Inc..  Quimby, at least, thinks she is doing the right thing.   What’s Lakeville Shores’ motive?  Benevolence?  I think not.
    What about the other landowners that sold land to Quimby?   Does anyone think these landowners gave a rat’s behind about the ‘legacy’, ‘tradition’ or ‘heritage’ of the Katahdin region?   I don’t think so.
    It’s all about the bottom line.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone gets on Quimby’s case for buying the land yet the landowners that sold the land to her are equally culpable.    I’m not seeing a lot of complaints about the sellers of the properties in question.
    There are only two or three negative statements in this thread about Lakeville Shores Inc..  Quimby, at least, thinks she is doing the right thing.   What’s Lakeville Shores’ motive?  Benevolence?  I think not.
    What about the other landowners that sold land to Quimby?   Does anyone think these landowners gave a rat’s behind about the ‘legacy’, ‘tradition’ or ‘heritage’ of the Katahdin region?   I don’t think so.
    It’s all about the bottom line.

  • Anonymous

    There’s your temper tantrum because all the money she paid the Conservation Lawyer didn’t work today!!! Kiss your 5 yrs of access right down the toilet too!!

  • Anonymous

    There’s your temper tantrum because all the money she paid the Conservation Lawyer didn’t work today!!! Kiss your 5 yrs of access right down the toilet too!!

  • Anonymous

    i know they are made up of more than just regen.

  • Anonymous

    i know they are made up of more than just regen.

  • Anonymous

    You lack reasoning, and your presumptions and pretentiousness will only fool so many.

  • Anonymous

    You lack reasoning, and your presumptions and pretentiousness will only fool so many.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, what did nature possible do for the four billion years before the chainsaw? Hmm…

  • Anonymous

    Wow, what did nature possible do for the four billion years before the chainsaw? Hmm…

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    I guess when the state took those homes through “eminant domain”…or why I pay taxes and if I don’t for 3 years they can take my hosue

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    I guess when the state took those homes through “eminant domain”…or why I pay taxes and if I don’t for 3 years they can take my hosue

  • Anonymous

    sorry, but the forests were essentially virgin until European settlers arrived on the scene.   native americans may have cut and planted trees, but there is no evidence that they cut and replanted forests. 

    http://www.foresthistory.org/ASPNET/Publications/region/9/history/chap3.aspx

  • Anonymous

    Don’t think HC Haynes is selling out when they have made large purchases in the last year.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t think HC Haynes is selling out when they have made large purchases in the last year.

  • Anonymous

     if the timber company wanted to harvest the land, why did they sell it to Roxanne?  

  • Anonymous

     if the timber company wanted to harvest the land, why did they sell it to Roxanne?  

  • Anonymous

    Ms Quimby: want to say thank you and honor you for having the vision to
    protect our natural resources.
    Ms Quimby, I give Maine 3 years tops probably more like one before the poo poo
    hits the proverbial fan.
    Psssst, stick your retina a little closer to the screen.
    This is just between you and me.
    We are past the point of no return with Global Warming and Climate Change!
    see http://www.heatisonline.org

  • Anonymous

    Ms Quimby: want to say thank you and honor you for having the vision to
    protect our natural resources.
    Ms Quimby, I give Maine 3 years tops probably more like one before the poo poo
    hits the proverbial fan.
    Psssst, stick your retina a little closer to the screen.
    This is just between you and me.
    We are past the point of no return with Global Warming and Climate Change!
    see http://www.heatisonline.org

  • Anonymous

    A lot of Quimby cronies on here from away when there’s a Quimby news story !!

  • Anonymous

    A lot of Quimby cronies on here from away when there’s a Quimby news story !!

  • Anonymous

    Wikipedia is probably not your best source on this as anyone can write whatever they want in there

  • Anonymous

    Wikipedia is probably not your best source on this as anyone can write whatever they want in there

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    I can find more if you want

  • Anonymous

    I can find more if you want

  • Anonymous

    In Florida, the state has recently taken a stand to return its public lands to what they were 100 years ago, when Fla achieved statehood.  That has meant a lot of invasive plant removal, etc.

    It also mean an increase in prescribed burns.  Burns reduce scrub and promote healthy growth.  Burns, when prescribed, create healthy, safe, productive forests.

    I walked in the forest after a prescribed burn.  The healthy pines stood tall, their thick resistant bark charred, and lower branches singed off.  Baby pine trees under my feet so thick they call it ‘pine grass’.  Zephyr lilies, a Florida forest beauty, only blooms after a burn.  I suspect Maine has/had flowers like that once.

    Once forest ‘management’ has started though, it can not stop.  They cyclical nature of burning can only occur safely today if there is not a build up of fuel on the forest floor, or too much hardwood.

    the kind of forest fire you describe, like the one at Baxter State Park in the late 70′s resulted from a build up of fuel (dead trees).  but you are aware of that.

  • Anonymous

    In Florida, the state has recently taken a stand to return its public lands to what they were 100 years ago, when Fla achieved statehood.  That has meant a lot of invasive plant removal, etc.

    It also mean an increase in prescribed burns.  Burns reduce scrub and promote healthy growth.  Burns, when prescribed, create healthy, safe, productive forests.

    I walked in the forest after a prescribed burn.  The healthy pines stood tall, their thick resistant bark charred, and lower branches singed off.  Baby pine trees under my feet so thick they call it ‘pine grass’.  Zephyr lilies, a Florida forest beauty, only blooms after a burn.  I suspect Maine has/had flowers like that once.

    Once forest ‘management’ has started though, it can not stop.  They cyclical nature of burning can only occur safely today if there is not a build up of fuel on the forest floor, or too much hardwood.

    the kind of forest fire you describe, like the one at Baxter State Park in the late 70′s resulted from a build up of fuel (dead trees).  but you are aware of that.

  • Anonymous

    if i remember correctly,it was she, that bought land here in this area few years ago. there were many camps, cabins in the woods, on leased land, what happened???  guess who raised the leases?? many people to my understanding were shafted by this liberal land grabbers selfishness.  this person is not DOING ANYONE ANY FAVORS!

  • Anonymous

    if i remember correctly,it was she, that bought land here in this area few years ago. there were many camps, cabins in the woods, on leased land, what happened???  guess who raised the leases?? many people to my understanding were shafted by this liberal land grabbers selfishness.  this person is not DOING ANYONE ANY FAVORS!

  • Anonymous

    I take it therefore, you trust Ms Quimby implicitly.  Support her  request for a feasibility study and you can have access to snowmobile trails for the next five years, unless she  changes her mind.

  • Anonymous

    I take it therefore, you trust Ms Quimby implicitly.  Support her  request for a feasibility study and you can have access to snowmobile trails for the next five years, unless she  changes her mind.

  • Anonymous

    Low wage jobs? $10 an hour? $8 an hour? $11 an hour?

    The mill isn’t paying top dollar anymore either are they? Benefits eat up all the pay above minimum wage for the newbies starting there. They would bring home as much if they worked at McD’s for the same hours and easier work I’m sure.

    We can and hopefully will have both. They will be seasonal jobs for the most part and teenagers can use work too can’t they? People would like to own businesses that succeed. The owners of the businesses would make a living wage I bet.

    Cates Street understands diversification. Paper mills, biocoal, reclaimed water. Why can’t the people of the Katahdin Region?

  • Anonymous

    quimby bought alot of acreage, november 2003, the costs of the leases on the land which cabins occupied, were raised by her deliberately to force people to give them up. she claims to of needed the money to pay the taxes. well, what if there had not of been any cabins at all?
    help in paying taxes was not her objective.  getting rid of the occupants was her goal!

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is using extortion to get her park approved.  The Park is only supported by Liberals.  If her park is such a great idea why does she have to threaten sportsmen, snowmobilers and locals to use the land .  If she thinks its such a great idea let her pay for it.  Not taking more taxpayer handouts from working folks like myself.  The problem with the Libs they have zero ideas for good paying jobs that don’t involve taxpayer funded subsidies and handouts.   Maine Democrats ideas are continuing to expand Welfare to everyone, borrow hundreds of Millions of dollars again (they want a new huge bond package for roads and bridges), Subsidize folks Like Quimby, Angus King for their new get rich quick scams.  It’s time to put this idea on ice as well and put their ideas to much useful things that will get this economy going.

  • Anonymous

    Life was not the same four billion years ago

  • Anonymous

    Baxter was no fan of federal involvement in state affairs and he ensured that couldn’t be done because he carefully crafted deeds of trust that controlled his gifts of land to the state over the years. He didn’t trust the national park process, having witnessed too many time how governments could change the rules of the game unless bound by documents such as those he created to protect his park. Indeed, it may well have been a concern that the federal government might pursue a park in the Maine woods that drove Baxter to continue land acquisition long after Katahdin itself was protected. In so doing, he created a much larger park, one that likely dwarfs anything that the National Park Service might have done.

  • Anonymous

    Prescribed burns are controlled in a very safe manner. The forest here is ALOT different than it is in Florida, due to the terrain and extra fuel that is on the forest floor here it is not practical for any type of controlled burn. Forest management taken the right way is a better way to go here in Maine. It has worked for hundreds of years here and just get’s better and better all the time. Foresters and companies that do the work on the land are under more and more scrutiny all the time, they have more and more regulations all the time that they HAVE to go by or they will not be in business.

  • Anonymous

    If the park stayed at the 70k acres I wouldn’t be against it, that land is gone no matter how we look at it.  What I’m against is millions of acres being made into a park.  If this happens we can say goodbye to the north maine woods, which I, along with many others, happen to love and enjoy the way it is.  I’ve seen far too much of her meetings where so much is a contradiction, such as her saying she didn’t plan to buy any more land… since which she has bought about 12k more acres, so that was a lie, among other things.  Majority of those against this park are not necessarily against the 70k, we’re against the millions of acres.

  • Anonymous

    Go Roxanne!!!!

  • Julie Buhler

    Something most everyone seems to forget is that there are people who live and try to make a living in the area. A majority who depend on hunting, fishing, snowmobiling, ATVs, etc.  for their paychecks.  We who live here, some of our families for generations, love the land and respect it.  Can we be be assured that a National Park will benefit us?  Is our quiet way of life going to be ruined by a stream of  people coming in?  Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of saving the land?  Here in Northern Maine we don’t have as many people as compared to Sorthern Maine so I am sure that they’ll decide how we should live and what should happen this so called National Park….good for everyone but those of us who have to live with the consequences.  Come on Northern Maine time to break away and be our own State then we can decide how to deal with this Quimby issue.

  • Millicent

    I think it’s possible to compromise. People can still hunt and fish, and use the land recreationally, as long as it’s done responsibly. Preserving the environment is possible, while using it for it’s resources.  We should be giving back as much as we take. 

  • Anonymous

    That’s right;the U S government will own the land, which happens to be the citizens of the U S.
    I.E all of us .

  • Anonymous

    Dopey2 applauds Ms. Quimby!

  • Anonymous

    I  recall that Roxanne is also giving $40 million for  park maintenance.

  • Anonymous

    How do you think Acadia National Park happened?  George Dorr and others bought land and donated it and then lobbied for a National Park.  Do you like tourist dollars?

  • Anonymous

    raised the leases?

  • Anonymous

     http://www.perc.org/articles/article651.php

    sorry but you are wrong!

  • Anonymous

    This is actually not the case, as has been overwhelmingly been displayed throughout history and is explained in Hardin’s “Tragedy of the Commons”.  It is in the best interest of private entities who own land to manage that land in a way that retains the value of their asset.  It is when land is held publicly, such as the case with the National Forest system, and timber management is achieved via a piecemeal leasing/contracting process where it is not in the best interest of the harvester to protect the land, as it is not under their ownership and there is no value in extra expenditures to ensure harvesting operations adhere to best management practices.  If you are looking for ecological protection, the best thing to do would actually be to retain the land within the private sector, put up gates to keep everybody out…. and perhaps charge a high rate for very limited admission.

  • Anonymous

    yes sorry, she raised the amount of the lease, in DOLLARS! THESE PEOPLE PAID FOR THE USEof the land, the previous owner,i believe, irving,same as irving oil,same corp.
    the camp owners could not remove or do anything to the dwellings after they left, or chose not to pay the higher amount. she just wants to drive evryone out!
    do not doubt this!she bought this land 11/03

  • Anonymous

     I quote the the Big Spruce: People alone are, let’s face it, greedy and selfish. They will take and take and take, and could care less about future generations, for the most part.  Sounds like your girl Roxanne doesn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    Just the interest off 20 million and later maybe another 20 thats what she said in Medway !! She’s not giving 40 million !!

  • Anonymous

    We’ve been doing up here for over 100b years without Roxanne Quimby. 

  • Anonymous

    yes, obama and pelosi, schumer, reid,feinstein, boxer,murray,durbin, and the rest of the filthy ilk, known as democrats, oh, LETS NOT FORGET MR. MIKE MICHAUD,OF EAST MILLINOCKET AND THE LOVEY PINGREE OF DOWN SOUTH IN DIXIE!!

  • Anonymous

    Time to stop dreaming about an idyllic life in the Commune, Tracky.

  • Anonymous

    I hope so.

  • Anonymous

    How long did it take you to look that hyperbole up Dizzy?

  • Anonymous

    Again I will ask you: How would you know where people are from?
    For the record: born and raised in Maine. Don’t know the woman. Give some people credit for being able to think for themselves. Whose back pocket are you in?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZTWWXKWOFBKD32D6YZFQXYM2LQ Duane

    she owns the land she can do what she wants to do with it

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZTWWXKWOFBKD32D6YZFQXYM2LQ Duane

    she owns the land she has the right to do with itb what she wants to do  go roxanne

  • Anonymous

    It was because there was a big storm in 1975 that leveled thousands of acres of timber. It became a serious fire hazard the following year, but the Liberal back-to-earth tpes like Spruce Dweller and P-Drizzle whined and got their panties all in a bunch about going and cleaning up the downed timber. Low and behold FIRE. A lot of forest was lost and it could have been a lot worse. 

  • Anonymous

    Governor Baxter had integrity…………

  • Anonymous

    Compromise with snowmobile clubs, that is what they call extortion now? Willingness, yea sure if they bow down to her.. What sportsmen’s club has compromised with her?

  • Anonymous

    And look how well the government runs things, like the Country!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZTWWXKWOFBKD32D6YZFQXYM2LQ Duane

    if you don’t like it buy the land yourself

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZTWWXKWOFBKD32D6YZFQXYM2LQ Duane

    if you don’t like it buy the land yourself

  • Anonymous

    WELL, ONE CORRECTION. THERE IS NO REPLANTING GOING ON IN THIS AREA IN QUESTION. HASN’T BEEN THIS COMES FROM EVERY LOGGING COMPANY IVE TALKED TO. IT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.

  • Anonymous

    WELL, ONE CORRECTION. THERE IS NO REPLANTING GOING ON IN THIS AREA IN QUESTION. HASN’T BEEN THIS COMES FROM EVERY LOGGING COMPANY IVE TALKED TO. IT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.

  • Anonymous

    WELL, ONE CORRECTION. THERE IS NO REPLANTING GOING ON IN THIS AREA IN QUESTION. HASN’T BEEN THIS COMES FROM EVERY LOGGING COMPANY IVE TALKED TO. IT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.

  • Anonymous

    WELL, ONE CORRECTION. THERE IS NO REPLANTING GOING ON IN THIS AREA IN QUESTION. HASN’T BEEN THIS COMES FROM EVERY LOGGING COMPANY IVE TALKED TO. IT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT.

  • Anonymous

    People have only been living in central Maine for 100b years (what ever 100b is)?  Actually, I think the number is more like 250,000 years. 

  • Anonymous

    People have only been living in central Maine for 100b years (what ever 100b is)?  Actually, I think the number is more like 250,000 years. 

  • Anonymous

    People have only been living in central Maine for 100b years (what ever 100b is)?  Actually, I think the number is more like 250,000 years. 

  • Anonymous

    People have only been living in central Maine for 100b years (what ever 100b is)?  Actually, I think the number is more like 250,000 years. 

  • Anonymous

    you asked me before ??? I missed it Im from Medway !! Dont do back pockets ,Dont listen to Quimby lies !!

  • Anonymous

    you asked me before ??? I missed it Im from Medway !! Dont do back pockets ,Dont listen to Quimby lies !!

  • Anonymous

    you asked me before ??? I missed it Im from Medway !! Dont do back pockets ,Dont listen to Quimby lies !!

  • Anonymous

    you asked me before ??? I missed it Im from Medway !! Dont do back pockets ,Dont listen to Quimby lies !!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    As is most of Northern Maine. It is all going down the highway so you can get 418 Cabela’s catalogs a year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    As is most of Northern Maine. It is all going down the highway so you can get 418 Cabela’s catalogs a year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    As is most of Northern Maine. It is all going down the highway so you can get 418 Cabela’s catalogs a year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    As is most of Northern Maine. It is all going down the highway so you can get 418 Cabela’s catalogs a year.

  • Anonymous

    Im sorry I can tell how they talk on here with the big words like they are better then us north woods people !!

  • Anonymous

    Im sorry I can tell how they talk on here with the big words like they are better then us north woods people !!

  • Anonymous

    Im sorry I can tell how they talk on here with the big words like they are better then us north woods people !!

  • Anonymous

    Im sorry I can tell how they talk on here with the big words like they are better then us north woods people !!

  • Anonymous

    You don’t know too much about the Haynes Family if you think they needed to sell this land to take a vacation. I think if you looked at the net worth of this family, they could buy Roxanne.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t know too much about the Haynes Family if you think they needed to sell this land to take a vacation. I think if you looked at the net worth of this family, they could buy Roxanne.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t know too much about the Haynes Family if you think they needed to sell this land to take a vacation. I think if you looked at the net worth of this family, they could buy Roxanne.

  • Anonymous

    You don’t know too much about the Haynes Family if you think they needed to sell this land to take a vacation. I think if you looked at the net worth of this family, they could buy Roxanne.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t think so lolli.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t think so lolli.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t think so lolli.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t think so lolli.

  • Anonymous

    pulpcuttah: Appropriate forestry methods vary between regions to account for the variances in forest type and eco-systems, voluntary and legal requirements, among other criteria.  H.C. Haynes, Inc. is currently certified by the Forest Stewardship Council (FSC). This company meets the highest standards of environmentally responsible forestry.  I would be suprised to find the terms “bombed, whacked, hammered or barbequed” in any harvesting plan.
     
     
     

  • Anonymous

    What year was that?

    Plenty of places to hunt. Where do you get meat? Hannaford?

    How much land do you own? People can hunt on it?

  • Anonymous

    Is he worried about the forest or snow mobiling? Don’t get me wrong I think snow mobiling is great but when you “can’t see the forest for the trees”.

  • Anonymous

    The word is there.

    He believe?

    No need to compare.

  • Anonymous

    You have a grossly distorted image of how native Americans used the land if you think it comes anywhere close to the industrial-scale practices of today.

    As for your hypothesis on wildfires, it falls apart for the western U.S. where decades of fire suppression has facilitated the buildup of ground fuels, which has inadvertently led to the eruption of massive burns that would be otherwise unseen in nature.

    Historically most forest management has been clearing for agricultural land or some other form of development.  Let’s call it deforestation.

    Forest biomes have been evolving on this planet for 300-400 million years.  Forests thrive without our help.  We manage forests for the sake of extracting resources, or for clearing land for other uses.  Period.

    I don’t see how your argument contributes to the national park debate.

  • Anonymous

    Did you know him personally?

    Do you know Roxanne Quimby personally?

    It is one thing to hate an idea, but to hate people that you do not even know….

    Says more about you than her.

  • Anonymous

    her not here

    By the way (not buy) how much do you pay in taxes? What is your contribution to society?

    Before she was ultra rich… she was ultra clever.

  • Anonymous

    Did Irving have to give notice to the tenants before they sold?

    You are saying that Irving sold the land?

  • http://www.facebook.com/aj.zarrella Aj Zarrella

    Go Roxanne!

  • Anonymous

    isn’t she stingy!

  • PaulNotBunyan

    I don’t think you have to worry about a stream of people coming in. The promoters are feeding people a pack of lies about new jobs the park would bring. The spoiled kids get their way and they want to go to places like Orlando every year. That’s the general trend and that’s where you see players like Ramada and Super 8 seeking approval to build on some piece of swampland they managed to acquire. I don’t think northern Maine has been hostile to development and I’m sure suitable land is available. It doesn’t happen because the players don’t build where they know they will lose money. The overwhelming majority of people who choose not to visit us now still won’t come here if a national park is created. The biggest lie they are telling us is that a new park will result in some meaningful increase in visitors. The paper company land and the state park are already here for people who want to watch birds or see a moose. It’s not kept secret from them and it’s totally ridiculous to think the lack of a national park sign is keeping those people away. I think the pretty lies have made some people delusional.

  • Anonymous

    Extreme like you?

  • Anonymous

    all your buddies

    and you ride on theirs

  • Anonymous

    get a life and grow up

  • Anonymous

    killing deer, yuk

  • Anonymous

    There goes your real agenda behind the personal attacks, interesting.

  • Anonymous

    That would be great!

  • Anonymous

    Is your pointed finger skinny or fat?

    or do “WE” all know it is just ugly and old?

    sickening

  • Anonymous

     Quimby does not have a “right” to bring Federal control into Maine.

  • Anonymous

    George Dorr and his wealthy land trust used state eminent domain authority and a lot of arm-twisting and pressure tactics to “buy” land.  Dorr acknowledged in his own autobiographical account that his land trust had no intention of giving up ownership of the land to the Federal government until they feared losing their state charter due to the local revolt against them.  Dorr used his insider connections in Washington to arrange for a unilateral presidential decree declaring the land to be a National Monument in order to bypass local objections and Congressional approval.  The National Park Service did not create Cadillac Mountain overlooking the ocean or the local economy. The National Park Service uses eminent domain at Acadia to get more land.

  • Anonymous

    The Federal government, not the people in southern Maine, would directly determine what happens to people put under National Park Service control. Park lobbyists have a lot of power and influence but once the National Park Service takes over it makes the decisions it imposes from Washington with no accountability to anyone.  Quimby is trying to steamroll local people to get that control over millions of acres of private property.  She is already helping the National Park Service take land from people at Acadia under threat of eminent domain.

    Senators Snowe and Collins, Governor LePage and the state legislature are all opposed to Quimby’s agenda.  The legislature just overwhelmingly passed a resolution against it.  Quimby is a Washington-insider throwing a lot of money around with bribes and threats while cynically exploiting her insider connections with the Obama administration.   This is a very ugly power grab.
     

  • Anonymous

    She didn’t “raise” the camps she razed them and threw the people out, which is what you meant.  She wants to get rid of a lot more than the occupants — she is a misanthropic wilderness “eco-system restoration” fanatic who wants to get rid of private property, recreation and normal tourism, hunting, homes, business, industry and civilization as such on 10 million acres. All that would be left would be insiders with a lock on a monopoly “gateway” at everyone else’s expense.

  • Anonymous

    Yes there are viro activists from southern Maine promoting her, but some people not originally from the north woods see through her and are just as appalled at Quimby as you are.  She is absolutely reprehensible.  She is a 60s counter culture political radical with a long record and will say and do anything to impose her political agenda of eliminating private property rights and imposing Federal control.  Some people are letting themselves become conned by her phony promises and bribes because they want to believe it.  No decent person should have anything to do with her.

  • Anonymous

    It’s all about political power, but there sure are some trying to work the system and take a “piece of the action” at the expense of ordinary people, you’re right about that.

  • Anonymous

    She now has over 100,000 acres, but does not own all of the 70,000 acres she wants to give to the Federal government as a “seed” for control over millions of acres more of other people’s private property.

  • Anonymous

    She has in fact admitted that she wants to establish her “legacy” in order to get people to “remember” her.  People with a genuine sense of self worth don’t try to get it by making other people “remember” them.  Whatever else she gets away with beyond the destruction she has so far caused, she can be sure she will be “remembered” for the conniving, destructive power seeker that she is.  

  • Anonymous

    This is nonsense.  Quimby has no right to impose Federal control.  That is the diametrical opposite of liberty under limited government.  fwteagles is smearing people over Quimby’s contradiction in trying to exploit her property to abolish private property rights.

  • Anonymous

     BDN has been openly promoting Restore and Quimby for years in both editorials and advocacy reporting.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby owning land does not make her the government.  She is not and would not be an improvement over anything.  She wants to shut down the state in wilderness.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is a con artist who made money off huge markups, suckering the “natural is good” crowd into rubbing bees wax on their bodies at high cost.  She “cut costs” only by leaving the state.

  • Anonymous

     That isn’t what he said.

  • Anonymous

    There is room for different uses, but not for Federal control.  That has been opposed since this plan contrived in Washington DC 25 years ago was first promoted. Closing access to motorized recreation is only of the many threats, which have been opposed well before Quimby started buying land and throwing people out.

  • Anonymous

    Excluding trespass is fundamental to private property rights.  You don’t have the right to “tax the hell” out of anyone.  The system of allowing recreation timber lands has worked very well, but is not a “right”.  Quimby throwing people off the land for no reason other than to prevent human use is obnoxious and misanthropic, but she has the right to do crazy things on her own land, just as the rest of us have the right to denounce her.  But she has no “right” to bring Federal control and eliminate private property rights.  Yes, she is dangerous and must be stopped, but not by violating private property rights.  That is her goal.

  • Anonymous

    Read Alston Chase’s Playing God in Yellowstone on National Park Service bureaucratic corruption of science at Yellowstone.

  • Anonymous

    Once the National Park Service has a foothold, expansion and interference with inholdings and outside private property is politically inevitable.  This has been the National Park Service’s record of abuse in Maine and across the country.  Look at what the National Park Service and its pressure groups have done to property owners at Acadia and the Appalachian Trail.

    The whole strategic agenda for Federal control in Maine, launched in Washington in the 1980s, has been to take millions of acres since the beginning and it still is. They always take what they can get and come back for the rest later, using whatever they have as a new base at each stage. 

    Quimby still wants 10 million acres and has openly said so.  There have been no limits on the demands for a government-run “study” promoting National Park Service control.  The National Park Service already wants Quimby’s land and a lot more and does not want restrictions on what it “studies” to promote its taking power over the rest.
     

  • Anonymous

     Stop smearing people.

  • Anonymous

    Hunting is generally not permitted in National parks.  Other forms of National Park Service control may permit some forms of hunting but only under bureaucratic restrictions.  The freedom that most people have in mind when they refer to hunting and fishing is gone forever under National Park Service control.  The Federal government controlling land it claims is “nationally significant” means that local people don’t count.

  • Anonymous

    That is not what he said.  The park lobby view of “ignorant masses” that must be controlled by a political elite is typical of its arrogance.  We see this in everything from the attempt to ram National Park Service control down our throats to the refusal to allow representative self-government instead of LURC to every viro imposition of social controls trampling private property rights under DEP.

  • Anonymous

    That is not what he said.  The park lobby view of “ignorant masses” that must be controlled by a political elite is typical of its arrogance.  We see this in everything from the attempt to ram National Park Service control down our throats to the refusal to allow representative self-government instead of LURC to every viro imposition of social controls trampling private property rights under DEP.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby’s rights do not extend to imposing Federal control in Maine.  No one has that right and her ownership of land in any amount does not give her such a right.

    Tree growth is a current use tax classification that requires forestry management but not commercial logging.  There is no excuse to impose ruinous taxes on people to pay for the government services used by others just because they own land.  Taxation is not supposed to be a means of controlling  people in order to destroy their property rights. 

    Don’t mix that with your legitimate contempt for Quimby and her despicable methods and goals trying to buy public policy to impose Federal control and destroy  private property rights and human use of the land.  Yes, Quimby, Restore and the rest of the park lobby like NRCM, Audubon, CLF, etc. are like a bad dream recurring night after night.  This has been going for almost a quarter of a century.  Their threats and pressure are worse than a stalker.
     

  • Anonymous

    Yawn, same old crapola.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is the the diametrical opposite of a “free market”.  A free market in a free society is based on productive value and respect for the rights of the individual.  Quimby is a 60s counter culture radical exploiting political and economic freedom to destroy both.  She made her money as a scam artist with huge markups exploiting the “natural is good” fad and is misanthrope putting nature above humanity.  While living in mansions herself, she is trying to use the real estate market to destroy private property in principle as a cultural institution.

    Quimby: “To me, ownership and private property were the beginning of the end in this country. Once the Europeans came in, drawing lines and dividing things up, things started getting exploited and overconsumed. But a park takes away the whole issue of ownership. It’s off the table; we all own it and we all share it. It’s so democratic.”
     

  • Anonymous

    that is another reason not to have a National Park

  • Anonymous

    no more or less than yours I suppose.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is using her money to buy public policy to impose Federal power, which is her personal political agenda.  That is corruption and power-seeking, not a “gift”.

  • Anonymous

    I belive in balance

  • Anonymous

    Private citizens can donate money to the government, they cannot tell the government how to spend it.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry that I am not as correct as you. I pay enough. You mean she is not ultra clever now lol

  • Moose

    Are you sure she is not Roxanne Alfond instead of Quimby. Bert’s Bee’s must have great seller. I know I will never buy it.I would as soon get chewed up by a black bear.

  • Anonymous

    I see you have a lot of time on your hands.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby’s “ingenuity” was to charge huge markups for bees wax.  She is not the only scam artist to exploit the free market with no productive value — there have been people like that since the days of peddling phony elixers out of the back of a wagon — but it is not exemplary and not representative of the productive genius that built this country.  A lot of neurotics “dream” of “getting rich” without productive value; that is not the “American dream” of productive success.

    Quimby has no right to “donate” land to the government as a means of imposing Federal control.  That is power-seeking, not philanthropy.

    There is no “soul” of Maine in primitive wilderness as an alleged “intrinsic value” superseding human value and rights.  That is mysticism.  Your hatred of snowmobiling and industry does not justify imposing statist wilderness on people in the name of “heritage”.  The eco-socialist agenda is the opposite of every essential feature of the American heritage.
     

  • Anonymous

     The alleged “values expressed by Stegner” of the “presence of untrammeled wilderness” is not “in and of itself a resource”.  That is the standard viro nature mysticism ascribing an alleged “intrinsic value” to nature above human values and rights.  In this country we have the right to live for our own human values with the right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of our own happiness.  Those rights are to protected by government, not suppressed by it on behalf of nature religion.

    We do not “need untrammeled wilderness in order to help affirm our own place as mere brush strokes on nature’s canvas.”  That is meaningless viro nature mysticism gibberish.  As human beings we are not “mere brushstrokes” and not subservient to “nature”.  This misanthropic religious nature mysticism used as an excuse to oppress human beings and deny our rights through raw National Park Service government power is morally reprehensible.  This country is based on the rights of the human individual, which includes separation of church and state.

  • Anonymous

    This is more nature mysticism and hatred for a productive, human industrial economy.  An alleged “economy” based on National Park Service “tourism” at the expense of private property rights and and free economy is parasitical.  It is not a substitute for a productive economy.   Quimby’s forced wilderness is the Anti-Industrial Revolution.

  • Anonymous

    i own my own business (so, I’m a capitalist). when you make assumptions about people, you reveal your own prejudices and lack of imagination. 

  • Anonymous

    i own my own business (so, I’m a capitalist). when you make assumptions about people, you reveal your own prejudices and lack of imagination. 

  • Anonymous

    you might try reading something that isn’t published by the Forestry Industry, that is if you want the whole story.

  • Anonymous

    you might try reading something that isn’t published by the Forestry Industry, that is if you want the whole story.

  • Anonymous

     This sophomoric, rationalistic argument is so filled with contradictions that it makes one’s ears wilt.  Quimby has openly stated that she is opposed in principle in private property rights and wants to destroy them.  She is deliberately and openly exploiting the “free market” in land in order to destroy it. She has no “free market right” or any other kind of “right” to do that.  Her wilderness “ecosystem restoration” agenda of Restore is misanthropic eco-socialism, which is worse than socialism.

    Quimby: “To me, ownership and private property were the beginning of the end in this country. Once the Europeans came in, drawing lines and dividing things up, things started getting exploited and overconsumed. But a park takes away the whole issue of ownership. It’s off the table; we all own it and we all share it. It’s so democratic.”

  • Anonymous

    Rotten woman~ So sick of her black mail games.

  • Anonymous

    Government “ownership” of the land means that no one owns it. It is the destruction of private property rights and ownership as such, along with the political and economic freedom they make possible.

  • Anonymous

    We need to continue to boycott anything to do with Quimby and anyone who helps her get her way. Many stores have already refused to carry any Burt’s Bees products, those that did have stopped, and JW Sewall has already lost business for working with her.
    We do have the ability to affect her, and she is not untouchable.

  • Anonymous

    The destruction and removal of private property rights is socialism. She is exploiting her land ownership under a system of government that she wants to destroy.  Giving land to the government in order to destroy private ownership through government control is not a “property right”.

  • Anonymous

    There is no mystical belief that supersedes our rights and our right to a form of government that protects them.  There is no such “higher law”.  Nature religion worshiping an alleged “intrinsic value of nature” superseding human values and rights is arbitrary, misanthropic mysticism.  You are a man-hater.  Stop trying to impose your misanthropic religion on other people by government force.  It will not be tolerated.

  • Anonymous

    “Clever” like a scam artist and a power-seeking politician.  There is nothing admirable about that.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is an anti-capitalist exploiting it to destroy it.

  • Anonymous

     Maine does not have a “soul”.  Your posts reveal you to be a mystic and a collectivist.

  • Anonymous

    Normal people do not “take and take and take”.  We produce and trade value for value with one another in order to live.  As human beings we have a right to live.  Our means of survival includes modifying the natural environment for our purposes.  We know who the people are who “take and take and take” by political means.  Your attacks on people for being “selfish” are attacks on the individual’s right to live his own life for his own values. Your demands for human sacrifice to nature are misanthropic and unethical to their very root and are reprehensible.  Your subjugation of human beings to your mystical “miracle of Creation” is man-hating religious oppression, not an excuse for dictatorial National Park Service control and Federal imposition of wilderness.

  • Anonymous

    The conradictions and subjectivist mysticism in your arguments have been exposed many times.  Thehre is nothing logical about your rationalistic nature religion and bizarre claims that Quimby’s eco-socialism represents the “free market”.

  • Anonymous

    Indians probably did not replant forests but they did burn large areas.

  • Anonymous

     In many areas it makes no sense to replant because the trees grow back naturally.  No one should be required to plant trees on private property.

  • Anonymous

    People who grow trees for logging do “exploit” nature.  So what.  Humans live by “expoliting” nature in many ways.  We don’t do this in order to provide you with a “viewshed” for nature worship, which is irrelevant.

  • Anonymous

    We know about your nature worship religion from your posts.  There is no such thing as “nature greatness”; nature just is.  Liking scenery is a human value.  “Nature greatness” is not a standard for human choices and action.

  • Anonymous

    have you noticed the latest anti-park talking point?  the right wing who is against Fed. Govt controlling their “traditional lands”, want the government to take the land with eminent domain!  

    about face!

  • Anonymous

    peer provided content has the potential for error, but also has the potential to be corrected, unlike pdf style documents online.  i find wiki a good initial source of information.  then i take key points and research them independently from there.

  • Anonymous

     There was no life on earth 4 billion years ago as far as is known.  The earth was only formed about 4 billion years ago and dramatically changed geologically long after that.  “Nature” didn’t do anything with “chainsaws”.  Chainsaws are a valuable human invention and tool.  It doesn’t make any difference for human values what “nature” did on its own 4 billion years ago or any time since other than for our own understanding of how nature works through physical laws we discover and use for our own purposes.  His standards of what “nature did” are otherwise irrelevant for human choices and values

  • Anonymous

    A lot of liberals oppose a National Park Service takeover, too.

  • Anonymous

    If she keeps buying the state at this rate, you will be doing the same thing every time you walk in the woods. Oh and by the way, I also love killing deer. Grow up and get out of your bubble !

  • Anonymous

    She sold her interests in Burts Bees to the Clorox corporation. That is how she got the money to shaft Maine.

  • Anonymous

    i agree with you.  the woods in maine are in no shape to begin burning, unless done with extreme care.  

    i just wanted to introduce into the conversation, the idea that fire is a management tool and that forests contain more than trees.

    did you know that there is more biodiversity in one handful of soil than there is among all the living things that inhabit in the air, sea and on the land?  every time a buncher compresses the soil, fungus mycelium is destroyed.  we are all seeing the regen tree growth, telling ourselves we have  a forest.

    i’m not saying stop all woods work to save the mushrooms.  (of course not!) i am just again, pointing out that it takes more than trees to make a forest.  

  • Anonymous

     Yes, go away.  Far away.

  • Anonymous

    Connecticut Water will acquire approximately
    $33.7 million in additional rate base and grow its overall customer base by
    16,000 customers, or approximately 18 percent. The transaction will give
    Connecticut Water a greater presence in New England and a platform to grow
    throughout the northeast region.

  • Anonymous

    Like Baxter she’s saving land from greedy corporations that will destroy it in the name of their GOD –”sharholder value” if given the opportunity. 

  • Anonymous

    who cares , thats way down south of me in englander land.

  • Anonymous

    It’s the die hard democrats like Marston and Cyr that are having the biggest problem with the park. I wonder if they went on the ride a couple weeks ago through the scenic byway. I would be interested in how they view that. Is it a good thing or bad? Same thing on a smaller scale!

  • Anonymous

    when i feed a hungry person, I am called a saint.
    when i ask why people are hungry, i am called a communist.
                                   -anon

  • Anonymous

    tree growth tax law, my understanding is NO ONE is paying taxes on tree growth land.  is that correct? 

  • Anonymous

    “From Here” – translation: an ignorant sixth grade dropout.

  • Anonymous

    ‘oppress human beings and deny our rights….’

    ****

    what rights are being denied?

  • Anonymous

    you are correct, but it is her right to do so.

  • Anonymous

    This is does not respond to what I wrote, and the quote doesn’t make sense at all.  Quimby isn’t asking ‘why’ anything.  She has told us what she believes.

  • Anonymous

    there is such a thing as directed giving.  and yes, it can be done.

    to clarify, no one is ‘forced’ to do anything under directed giving.  however, if the terms of the gift are violated, then ownership reverts to another entity.  

    there is no forcing….or telling.  it’s an issue of choice.

  • Anonymous

    No.   The property taxes are assessed on the value of the land for its timber in accordance with the kind of trees on it instead of a potentially more valuable use for development.  There are enormous penalties for taking land out of tree growth status.  Is this what you meant to ask?

  • Anonymous

    i was trying to point out that we view things in context.  our definitions and labels are subjective.

    is she a property rights advocate or a socialist?  depends on how you look at.  certainly she is atypical in that she nature loving capitalist. 

  • Anonymous

    yes thank you.  note:  it is not a ‘roxanne’ exemption.  it is a tax exemption; all mainers have the opportunity to use it.

  • Anonymous

    This is the usual condescending contempt the self-proclaimed superior park activists show towards their victims.  I see a lot of people who may not have a lot of formal education but who show a lot more common sense and intelligence than the Big Parkies (some of whom do indeed write gibberish like unintelligible ‘college professors’ and Augustinian monks converted to nature worship).

  • Anonymous

     Yes, he said “fancy”, not that it is intelligible or correct!

  • Anonymous

    you don’t have skin in the game either, since  you don’t own the land in question.

    ps.  i went to katahdin hs and have family all through the region.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t waste your time, you’re talking to the “unshaven” hippie crew.
    Gag me.

  • Anonymous

    reminds me of Harlan Ellison

    “You are not entitled to your opinion.  You are entitled to your informed opinion.  No one has the right to be ignorant.”

    i’m not saying the previous commenter is ignorant.  however, this is a discussion forum.  the written word is currency here.

  • Anonymous

    she doesn’t own Burt’s Bees anymore — it won’t hurt her one bit if you don’t by the products

  • Anonymous

    Another thing people forget is that when the park was created it was a different political climate, especially when affluent families like the Rockefellers enjoyed the area.  

  • Anonymous

    Acadia national park is a treasure.  Only a fool would like to see every last acre of Maine developed or exploited.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting thought to bring climate change into the discussion.  If a park is made and it is as great a success as they want it to be, the shear amount of green house gases emitted by people visiting the park would be astounding, as well as all the infrastructure that would be built in and around the park to accommodate tourists that do lots of driving.

  • Anonymous

    if Northern Maine broke away to be it’s own state it would need MASSIVE federal subsidies, or else would have the infrastructure of a 3rd world country.  The population is low and the people are spread out over a large area — meaning a disproportionately large number of schools and roads serving a tax base too small to pay for them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

     I think she’s doing what she things is good and right.  There is a higher law than capitalism.  A lot of people believe that.  All Christians believe that, for example.

    Christians share, with no strings attached! 

    Thats good and right!

  • Anonymous

    clean up in aisle 4!

    :0

  • Anonymous

    “Quimby has no right to impose Federal control.”

    *****

    nor does she have the ability to impose Federal control.  National Park creation is a political process which requires the support of different constituencies.  she is  a National Park proponent and is initiating the process. Imposing is beyond the scope of her ability.  

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think so.  I own property in the middle of Haynes family property, and they can’t even maintain all their roads.  Not to mention someone in the family is likely involved in a large marijuana growing operation found on their property a couple years ago and is under investigation

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Take away beautiful wilderness, and you take away the soul of Maine

    Man,

     you just don’t get it!

    If you lock a gem in a safe and gaurd it for ever, from all but a few special purposes

    you have “Taken it Away”!

  • Anonymous

    better than subdivided and turned into vacation homes

  • Anonymous

    i grew up outside of Patten on the family fahm.  so much for the ‘away’ theory.

  • Anonymous

    once LURC is abolished vast expanses of Nothern Maine will be subdivided and sold to rich out of state people for vacation and recreation property.  It will be posted,  and you will lose your access.  The times are changing — we would be better off if this area were all a national forest or under some kind of conversation easement.  I would love a huge national forest surrounding Baxter, and maybe a small national park adjacent to Baxter — too bad the State of Maine was short on money and carved up and sold one of the greatest resources we have to a couple private landowners ( I don’t remember the exact date for the sale of timberlands to private landowners from my Maine history class, probably sometime in the 1800s).

  • Anonymous

    If definitions and labels were subjective neither objective thought nor communication would be possible.

    Quimby’s denial of private property rights makes here a socialist.  Socialism and capitalism are  political-economic systems.  That Quimby made money selling out to Clorox so she could flip land to the government doesn’t make her an advocate or example of capitalism as a system:.  She is consciously exploiting the freedom and mechanisms of a system she opposes in order to destroy it.  

    Those who try to hold up Quimby as an admirable example of free enterprise, capitalism and property rights are at best deliberately dropping context between what she is using versus what she is in order to hide what she in fact stands for and wants as stated in her own words.   The claims that she is not ideologically a socialist because she owns property are false.  People have ‘owned’, i.e., controlled, property in feudalist and socialist societies for thousands of years before there was a country — this one — founded on individual rights, including property rights. She owns and lives in multiple mansions, too.  So have kings and queens.  That doesn’t make them free enterprise capitalists.

    Furthermore she is not a just ‘nature lover’.  Liking nature is a human value.  Subordinating humans to wilderness as an ‘intrinsic value’ superseding human choices and rights is much more than liking or loving nature in a human hierarchy of values, as  many of us do.  It is inherently incompatible with a political system based on rights of the individual, and so is Quimby.
     

  • Anonymous

    i can’t even get past  your first sentence.

    of course words are subjective.  communication is an art, not a science.

  • Anonymous

    No, it is not her “right”.  No one has a right to exploit insider connections to change the form of government, impose controls over other people, and eliminate private property rights.

  • Anonymous

    We are a country of individual freedoms.  Our ‘right’ to traditional uses ends at someone else’s property.  After that, it is a privilege.  

    i understand the duality of her actions, but so what?  

  • Anonymous

    Theocracy denies the very concept of human rights.  Property rights is one fundamental example of a right denied by imposing government controls on behalf of nature worship, as in National Park Service control over an area eliminating private property.

  • Anonymous

    Just to be clear, you are stating that Christianity, the view of the majority in this country,as well as any other religion, does not entail a “higher law” than human law, right? 

    Would all Christians, since they believe in divine law,  then be man-haters?

  • Anonymous

    So Baxter State Park is socialist, and you would take away it’s protection, if you had the power, and sell it to private interests?

    Also, how is giving a multi-million dollar gift to the people of Maine going to eliminate the right to private property in our country?

  • Anonymous

    if you had a friend who was hiring, you wouldn’t call him?
    if you knew someone who worked at the town office, you wouldn’t ask him how to get something done?
    she gets things done because she is a doer.
    not a complainer.

    the world belongs to people like that.  

    or as sean carter said

    ‘i don’t sit in the project hallways talkin’ bout how i be sittin’ in the projects all day.  that just sounds stupid to me.’

    *****

    she is only using the tools that are available to all of us should we choose to use them.

  • Anonymous

    Right, I can accept and welcome common sense is they showed any on this issue. They’re willing to open with welcome arms anyone ‘from away’ that will get the mills up and running or buy land for cutting wood, or delvelopers like Plum Creek. But Roxanne is ‘from away’ therefore bad. These people don’t have the common sense to see beyond the next scratch ticket, snowmobile or pickup. They’re so myopic to care about the next generation, or the future of Maine.  

  • Anonymous

    i would agree with you *if* the park service were wielding the eminent domain stick.  

    in fact, the opposite is occurring. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ron-Blanchard/1723676121 Ron Blanchard

    Good for her; and ‘She’ can pay the taxes on it, not ‘Us’ Tax-payers…..

  • Anonymous

    Government control is not “ownership” by right.  Governments have no rights and government officials do not act by “right” in their official capacity.  Congress appropriates money to government agencies, which is a measure of control over what they can do.  Quimby wants to put up money and permanently tell the government how it will spend it, establishing a permanent entitlement to a government agency independent of  Congress.  The National Park Service and its lobby are currently pressuring Congress to make it legal for private individuals to do this, and they use Quimby as an example.  Such mixing of government power with private money and interests is fascism.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and it depends only on having a management plan for the forest, not commercial logging.  But you do have to have at least ten acres.

  • Anonymous

    Rotting trees are not useless to the forest, which have a track record millions of years old. Paper company act of cut and replant will eventually deplete the forest, chase wildlife away and eventually kill it. 

  • Anonymous

    i don’t understand why she doesn’t give it to the Nature Conservancy.

    what say thee then?

  • Anonymous

    How about 2 billion years ago?  Nature always bats last and humans don’t matter two spits.

  • Anonymous

    Do you think insulting me to prove you can use big words wins you points?  In a previous post, above, you said that there is no divine law above human law, slamming all religion, including Christianity.

    You called National Parks purely socialist, and it is clear that if you were in charge you would dismantle every single National Park and give then to private buyers for free market purposes. 

    You love the fancy word, “misanthropic,” which you’ve used at least twice.   And you imply that anyone who wants to protect nature from human greed is a “man-hater.”

    In other words, you’re way out of sync with the mainstream.  The article you seem to quote from, for example, goes on to say this:

    ————————-
    The whole concept of
    public ownership is detestable to the forest products industry, and to
    many who live in the area where Quimby wants to site the national park.
    Yet the public as a whole seems to support her park idea. Polls
    consistently show majorities favoring the concept, with support
    strongest in southern Maine, but significant throughout the state.
    ————————

    http://www.sunjournal.com/state/story/1038305

  • Anonymous

    I doubt explaining your obvious intent is going to get you any charitable interpretations — but it is patient and courageous of you to try!

  • Anonymous

    Roxy needs to cut and harvest other wise her tree growth tax credit is stealing from the Maine people, that is my point about her preservation ideas. If she wants to turn her land into fire fuel go for it, but don’t collect a tax credit that requires her to do the opposite.

  • Anonymous

    “If definitions and labels were subjective neither objective thought nor communication would be possible.”

    So, because love is subjective, we can’t talk meaningfully about love at all?

  • Anonymous

    greetings from a silky smooth business owning nature lover.

    ;)

  • Anonymous

     very well put

  • Anonymous

    “If definitions and labels were subjective neither objective thought nor communication would be possible.”

    So, since love is subjective, we can’t talk meaningfully about love?

  • Anonymous

    Please,give me a break. All Roxanne is doing is exercising HER property rights. Ok for everyone except Roxanne???

  • Anonymous

    Concepts and their definitions are not subjective. The word chosen to designate a concept is optional as long as it is agreed on.  The meaning of the concept is not.  Concepts classify existents in terms of essential similarities, not arbitrarily. What is essential depends on what something is in fact, not subjectively. Without objective knowledge you have nothing to communicate but subjectivism not designating reality.

  • Anonymous

    why doesn’t she just give it to the Nature Conservancy?  or the Audubon Society?

    that’s what i don’t understand.  it seems a much straighter line to her goal. 

    ironically, i think she actually cares what people in the region think.   unlike the paper companies who never gave a (darn).  

  • Anonymous

    Yes, but I don’t know what you mean by ‘duality of actions’ and ‘so what’.  She is exploiting rights in order to destroy our rights by government force.  That’s what it means to use the National Park Service to obliterate private property rights.

  • Anonymous

    So Baxter State Park is the destruction of political and economic freedom, right?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    I don’t like Cowboy Hats!

    I think that I would like to buy Texas and give it back to the Federal Government with the Stipulation that they outlaw them! 

  • Anonymous

    “Subordinating humans to wilderness … is inherently incompatible with a political system based on rights of the individual”

    So, if a private property owner puts up fences around his property because he wants to protect wilderness from humans, he doesn’t believe in rights?

    You need to tone down the highfalutin’  language, and take a look at what you’ve actually saying–you’re actually giving an argument that no one can put wilderness above the interests of human beings.

  • Anonymous

    So, you’re saying there is an inherent flaw in libertarian ideology–it allows private property owners to put wilderness above humans, and so libertarianism is self-contradictory?

  • Anonymous

    She couldn’t be as clever as you!

  • Anonymous

    I like Acadia National Park very much, but I see little similarity with the Quimby concept, though she deserves great commendation for her proposed generosity. Maybe it’s too early in the game, but the geography and proximity to the ocean make ANP a very unique attraction that would be practically impossible to duplicate.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby isn’t hiring a private person and she isn’t asking how to do something.  She is colluding with government officials to impose government power over people.  That is a corruption of government and by its nature a violation of everyone else’s rights.  She has no business trying to make public policy and changing the form of our government in collusion with her cohorts in Washington.  The world does not belong to her and neither do we. 

    Government power is not a “tool” for anything someone wants.  That is a thoroughly corrupt notion of government, which exists to protect our rights, not to rule us on behalf of anyone who grabs the reins of power.  Political special interests hijacking the coercive power of government to grab what it wants is a major problem in Maine and has got to be stopped.
     

  • Anonymous

    You’re an atheist, right? And you hate all National Parks and would dismantle them, correct?

  • Anonymous

     Quimby is pursuing her own happiness, as a private citizen–so by your own definition she is following the rules as the Founders intended.

  • Anonymous

    Running the mills and Plum Creek selling its own property to people who want to buy it are private actions in accordance with political and economic freedom that you hate.  Quimby is not just ‘bad’, she is thoroughly corrupt and evil, not because of “where is from” but because of what she is and what she is doing as a power seeker out to impose Federal control over other people.  Any normal person driving a “pickup” or a snowmobile or anything else knows better than that and has far more common sense than little tyrants like you out to impose your notion of a “future” on everyone else.

    Every dictatorship in history has been rationalized by an elitists denial of the capacity and right of individuals to think and choose for themselves how to live their own lives.

  • Anonymous

    On your view, love and beauty and majesty and miraculous have no meaning–because they are subjective.

    Sounds like you are the poster child for a philosopher sitting in an ivory tower.

    I looked up the philosophical name for your philosophy: it’s logical positivism. whoopie.

  • Anonymous

    I grew up in Stacyville which is where the region they are proposing a park be, there was not a day that went by that we did not go to Sebois , Wassataquoik, or that region. It is where my heart is, I know every inch of it. It is not in Millinocket. Enough said on that. Times are different now, the paper companies do not own that land . When I grew up, paper companies employed people to take care of the roads and maintain it now we rely on private companies to do it, our access is free but comes at a price to private companies who pay for bridges (which go at DEP standards and they can be huge money). We cannot blame private companies who must sell to keep in business who in turn supply alot of jobs to the area. If I who enjoyed it for years can understand this , and am sad by this, can realize it is a matter of money, why are people who have never even been there upset? I think attacking HC Haynes is short sighted to the problem. We who complain are just as much at fault, there is power in people ,we should have formed our own nonprofit and bought it for access, but remember land is expensive we would have to pay taxes of around 55000, fix road and bridges, which are expensive( Whetstone was millions) and so forth. 30 years ago when I was there camping people were there mapping it for just this purpose, so it is of no shock. We have lost my favorite area in the world, but we we will lose more if we don’t became proactive instead of reactive, you cannot expect private companies to pay for our right to hunt,fish, and snowsled in todays world, a simple law passed by our state leg. would have stopped it, it should be so much land needs public access for traditional use , if she is enjoying Tree Growth it should be that anyway , Don’t blame Haynes blame the State of Maine, they allow it!!!The State of Maine is allowing this, it is like England , buy your land , own your kingdom, and keep all of us pheasants off it, if it continues it will be yeah for me the hell with you, so I say the State is to blame for their lack of caring!!!!

  • Anonymous

    i bet roxanne is a good kisser

  • Anonymous

    “Governments have no rights”?  Does that mean Congress can’t regulate commerce?  What about the rest of the Constitution?

  • Anonymous

    First, National Park Service control over an area permanently eliminates the entire institution of private property rights within that area.  That is an intentional replacement of freedom by statism, including interference outside the area.

    Second, the National Park Service does wield eminent domain power, as it has done routinely in Maine at Acadia and the Appalachian Trail.  Quimby is trying to dodge that controversy by donating land, and we are expected to drop the context of what comes next outside her land.  The National Park Service and its lobby routinely use what they have as a political base to interfere in surrounding property and expand their boundaries. Quimby, Restore and NPCA openly say they want millions of acres more around what  Quimby calls her “seed” for that.  You don’t have to guess at any of this, they have a record all over the country and are quite open about what they are trying to do to Maine.  There haven’t even been any restrictions in scope on the phony “study” they are demanding to start the government planning.
     

  • Anonymous

    I’m saying it is all about money in the end. There is nothing for nothing.

  • Anonymous

    Amazing to me how you are so upset about a successful Maine business woman selling beauty products, but you have nothing bad to say about the corruptions of Big Oil, for example. 

    You keep claiming I am full of hate–but if you listen to yourself, your repetitiveness, your meanness, your aggression, your single-mindedness in calling your debate opponent names–

    it becomes clear you are raging with angry passion that creates a deep bias.

  • Anonymous

     Baxter should be turned over to a private entity to run it and keep it separate from government, but not now because it would be susceptible to being taken over by the Federal government, which is threatened as part of the agenda.  The National Park Service taking over an area permanently obliterates private property throughout the region taken over and interferes with and further threatens private property outside.  Quimby’s money is intended to empower this abuse.  Calling this a “gift” is Orwellian.

  • Anonymous

    On your view, Mt. Katahdin is just a rock, and if humans want to mine it, destroying it in the process for future generations, that’s absolutely fine.

  • Anonymous

    On your view nature is just a resource and nothing more.  Cutting down all the redwood trees is absolutely fine if it benefits the company that does it, and stimulates the economy for a little while.

    Destroying Mt. Katahdin is fine on your view, if it increases the GDP.

    I want everyone to know just how radical your view is.

  • 525_44

    Your name explains your viewpoint. You won’t agree with my arguments and I won’t agree with yours.
    May her forest rot beneath her feet.

  • Anonymous

    Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal gave a favorable, or at least neutral view, of Quimby’s Park.

  • 525_44

    Man is the biggest impact this earth has seen since the Big Bang and the disappearance of the dinosaurs.
    Your big word is not lost on me, everything in nature occurs in cycles and if the forest is left alone it will fall down, and eventually grow back and a much slower rate than it does when managed by us.
    Do your homework…

  • Anonymous

    “Quimby is not just ‘bad’, she is thoroughly corrupt and evil”  … because she is seeking “Federal control over other people.” 

    Are you listening to yourself.  Do you realize how ridiculously vicious you sound?

  • Anonymous

    There is no such thing as “higher law”.  Every religion makes its own “laws” an dogma and none of them have any claim to supersede human values and rights, let alone sacrifice people and impose it through a theocracy.  Viro nature worshipers are an example.  Read Augustine and you will see what a man-hater he was.  Americans are mostly secularized in accordance with Enlightenment values on which the country was founded.

  • 525_44

    You assume too much and just want your brownie points.

    I can imagine but we are here and unless you have a plan to destroy mankind our impact will always remain and have an effect on the environment that we can and do manage.

    Do some research about Maine for a change.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1666247323 Bobbi Dickinson Keim

    Here is a brilliant idea, from someone who lives just down the street for where she just bought this new land; those of you who are all for the park, mainly from Bangor south, let her build it in your back yard!  The land is hers to do with as she wishes and I respect that, but hello, the government is broke, and by the looks of it it’s going to be broke for a very very very long time to come yet. If we were all going to get rich from the park, wouldn’t Patten, Shin Pond, Mt. Chase, Medway, Millinocket and East Millinocket be busy booming towns already? We have heard the same bs over and over time and again. We are not buying it. We have Baxter yet the towns are dying off all around it. Better yet, let her go back to Boston and restore that and leave us alone. 

  • 525_44

    There is no arguing with a tree hugger, and bible pounder….

  • Anonymous

    “Quimby is not just ‘bad’, she is thoroughly corrupt and evil”  … because she is seeking “Federal control over other people.” 

    Are you listening to yourself.  Do you realize how ridiculously vicious you sound?

  • Anonymous

    You sound jealous when you complain about it being a monument and part of Quimby’s legacy. If this is being selfish and egoistic, I hope to see more of it. I applaud you Roxanne, keep it up. Thank you for what you are trying to do.

  • 525_44

    Nothing wrong with using it as a natural resource that replenishes itself.
    The park won’t happen and your ideas of a warm and fuzzy world are delusional at best.

  • Anonymous

    What Baxter did was great in 1930. But the man doesn’t walk on water. He is not the One we must follow. If Maine people want more parkland that they control, Maine people will have to buy it and pay the taxes to support it.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for your honesty, that you don’t believe in a God of any kind.  Christians, Jews, and the rest are in the same boat as “viro nature worshipers.” 

    Are you saying most Christians in American are just fake Christians because they are “mostly secularizied”?  Just curious.

    By the way, my environmental stance is founded on reason and philosophy, as well as literature and art.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for your honesty.  I hope readers will see how radical your views actually are.

    If Quimby clear cut all the trees on her property and forbid anyone any access, you’d be fine with it.  But if she gives it to government to protect it for future generations, she’s “evil.”

  • 525_44

    With the acid rain Maine gets the chances of seeing a mature forest are growing less and less. She can’t keep the acid rain from falling on her trees.

    That is not seeing the forest for the trees. She is ignoring the blight and insects that also help in killing a tree.

     Wait until the serious insects appear here in our woods, all of her money won’t stop the rain and the bugs from ruining her forest if she doesn’t manage it.

  • Anonymous

    Why aren’t you upset about the obvious bribery of the government by lobbyists like Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Insurance?

  • 525_44

    I doubt most of the tree huggers here are not from Maine and haven’t a clue about our forest’s and the management of them..

  • Anonymous

    Wow are we getting nasty now ?

  • Anonymous

    It is not “too bad” that private property was “allowed” in Maine.  The government was not supposed to permanently keep control of the land.  Private individuals were supposed to settle and assume ownership of previously unowned land by using it to live on or work.  The most practical use of most of the land at the time was for timber, with towns and cities evolving as required.  Your hatred and resentment of what you call “rich outsiders” is not an excuse to abolish private property and deny the right of representative self-government.  The whole country was settled by “outsiders” who were not previously in the wilderness.  People who want to buy and sell property and to live and work on it have every right to do so. The timber industry remains a major component of the Maine economy despite the campaign by the pressure groups to destabilize it and destroy it.

  • 525_44

    You are not from ‘here’ and your ignorance is showing towards Mainers…
    6th grade dropout? There was a time when we had to leave school to work the farm, those days are gone but trying to call someone out like that….your own ignorance is showing.

  • 525_44

    Unbelievable! They all have there heads in one collective area……

  • Anonymous

    People who own “vacation homes” enjoy them very much. This is not inferior to misanthropically banning human life on the land.  The viros really hate private ownership and personal enjoyment in privacy protected by property rights — except for themselves.

  • Anonymous

     She has a right to do that.  TNC doesn’t have the direct power of Federal control but does flip land to the government.

  • Anonymous

    Be lucky and thankful she is even wanting to open up parts of her land to the public.  It’s her land…private land and she can do with it as she pleases including trying to make it a National Park.

  • 525_44

    Can you write a complete paragraph to express your views? There are times a short succinct answer is all it takes but sometimes it helps to explain your points.

    Is it a requirement to have known Baxter to talk about him and what he did and why?
    [no, he is a person in history, you can do research and find info about him and his ideas]

    Is it a requirement to know Roxy to express opinions about her since she is in the news and those opinions don’t have to be based on personal knowledge of her. She says what she wants, so can anyone else.

    Is it a requirement to know someone to ‘hate’ her?

    Hate is a strong word but I have read enough about her to know where she stands and why and I can loathe her for her ideas.

  • Anonymous

    People against this are idiots,go roxanne

  • Anonymous

    timber rights can be leased without selling off the land, which eventually will result in subdivision and taking the land out of productive timer harvesting. This was a resource that will be lost.

  • 525_44

    I’m independently liberal and don’t think much of her and her weak ideas for Maine.

  • Anonymous

    do you think all the vacation home owners from away will allow hunting and snowmobiling on their property? get real. I own a vacation home on a remote lake with only a few cams, so I am a bit hypocritical, but I think something would truly be lost if these areas were heavily developed.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Tree hugger, I dont own a sled. dont do scratch tickets , dont work in the mill !! So what are you a snob from out of state that thinks your better then me or anyone that lives up here? Just another example of someone that knows whats best for us Mainers from away !!

  • 525_44

    Why do you feel the NEED to correct people?
    What is your contribution to society? I have been contributing for 40 years.
    How about you?

    I pay a lot of taxes do you?

  • 525_44

    Because you believe in a god, does that make everything you say the truth?
    No, because there is no definitive answer and no higher power.
    The higher power is in your head and no one can actually talk to someone like you.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, the manner in which BSP is run is based entirely on Baxter’s deeds of trust. There is some hunting allowed in certain sections of the Park, although no moose hunting or bear baiting is permitted, as per Percival’s wishes. It is absolutely ture that he did not trust the federal OR state government (BSP, while a “state” park in name, receives no state funding and is essentially managed by a private entity e.g. the BSP Authority).
    As a side note, you can snowmobile on the tote road through Baxter. Why couldn’t Roxanne allow this in her national park? I cannot understand why she wants to use and then exclude certain interest groups.

  • Anonymous

    She apparently began years ago by assuming she could simply give it to the National Park Service in collusion with the agency.  She has subsequently realized she can’t get away with that and is trying to manipulate the system for the same ends through bribery and threats, still exploiting her insider connections in Washington.  Her “Plan B”, as she calls it, is to collaborate with Obama’s Interior Secretary Salazar to have Obama unilaterally declare it to be a National Monument through abuse of the presidential powers under the Antiquities Act.  The Antiquities Act was not intended for that but has been exploited that way to circumvent Congress and local opposition several times (including the establishment of Federal control at Acadia).

  • 525_44

    Acid rain is the enemy of Maine’s woods along with insects; no one [in her camp] is thinking about that impact on our woods, that with human intervention can be slowed down by cutting the stands of pine that have blister and those damaged by insects.

    People can argue all they want about the woods and leaving them untouched, but these environmental factors are real and far beyond her control.

    She may have big bucks but she can’t stop the rain or the insects that kill the trees.

    The rains will continue, the insects here and those on the way will still kill the trees, blister and red heart will still happen and the trees will die. Without management by humans these diseases will spread rapidly.

  • 525_44

    Yuk, corinnaman! lol
    She does have lips…

  • 525_44

    Critical Thinking at work…

  • Anonymous

    It is not “subjective”.  Because you personally choose to love something or someone in accordance with your own values does not make it “subjective”. For normal people it is not random or causeless, with subjective, interchangeable results.

  • 525_44

    Absolutely.

  • Anonymous

    Who do you think she is going to have to purchase in order to make her fantasy our nightmare?

  • Anonymous

    The National Park Service does not allow snowmobiling where it does not already exist and is phasing it out and restricting it where it does.  Quimby could not decide to allow it even she wanted to, but she wants the National Park Service to control the land because she does not want snowmobiling or other motorized recreation.  She wants wilderness “ecosystem restoration” with the land restricted as much as possible to wilderness hikers.

  • 525_44

    Of course she is, she has an agenda and as one poster said she is trying to create a legacy for herself through many means.
    Legacy isn’t that important to most of us, but she has money and a need for folks to remember her name in history.
    That’s her Napoleon complex so to speak.

  • Anonymous

    To all of you who seem to be concerned about logging in Maine, fear not: wildlife, particularly moose, deer, and the endangered Canada lynx thrive in areas that have been cut and are regenerating. There’s no a whole lot of food on the ground in a mature spruce-fir forest.

  • 525_44

    Does it make a difference…

  • 525_44

    Now you don’t think people should be able to hunt for food….or for whatever reason.

  • 525_44

    Take your own advice and re-read your posts.

  • 525_44

    Yes and yes.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting details, thanks for sharing.

  • 525_44

    Why? I’d like to see a paragraph of why you think she isn’t stingy. Not a one liner but an actual paragraph explaining your thoughts about her lack of stinginess.

  • Anonymous

    Yes I am not a fan of the eminent domain clause, but let’s be realistic. She isn’t paying anything near “top dollar” for this land she is scooping up. If the Gov’t were to pull ED on her, they are required to pay her fair market value so she and her non profit will – make a profit. If she dumps all this land on the gov’t – she and her NP– make a profit (seen in the form of gigantic tax breaks/refunds, etc..) PLUS in that instance she gets to make all kinds of stipulations during the “gifting” process as a part of the contract. People should get informed and realise this isn’t about a “private land owner doing what she wants to with her land.” 

    No matter how hard I look thru her perspective I can see nothing altruistic about her actions and motivations. Using her NP “orginization as a front to aggressively buy land in order to ‘donate’ it just smacks of “scam” and abuse of the system.

  • Anonymous

    Just because you’re an atheist, it doesn’t make everything you say right.  Spiritual people can be just as reasonable and intelligent as anyone else. 

  • Anonymous

    lol…i knew that would get some attention!

  • Anonymous

    Actually he has a point. IF she truly believed in Maine and its viability as a resource that can promote employment and business growth, why did she move out of state to actually SEE her own success promoted? I am not upset that she did it, she just sounds very much a hypocrite and wouldn’t have been sad for her to keep her successful land grabbing fingers in the state she found more success in =)

  • Anonymous

    Subjective motivations need not be random or causeless, as you imply.

    Strike one.

    What is your “objective” definition of love? Guess what, no one has succeeded in coming up with one, but we still talk meaningfully about love all the time.

  • Anonymous

    Subjective motivations need not be random or causeless, as you imply.

    Strike one.

    What is your “objective” definition of love? Guess what, no one has succeeded in coming up with one, but we still talk meaningfully about love all the time.

  • Anonymous

    The jargon you use, over and over, is kind of catchy–subjectivist rationalstic eco-socialist mystic natural religion–but it is also just that: cookie cutter jargon with little serious substance.
     

  • Anonymous

    The jargon you use, over and over, is kind of catchy–subjectivist rationalstic eco-socialist mystic natural religion–but it is also just that: cookie cutter jargon with little serious substance.
     

  • Anonymous

    If people don’t take and take, why do 400 billionaires have as much wealth as the bottom 50% of Americans, the same pattern as a dictatorship in Africa?

  • Anonymous

    If people don’t take and take, why do 400 billionaires have as much wealth as the bottom 50% of Americans, the same pattern as a dictatorship in Africa?

  • Anonymous

    Rather, there is no arguing with someone who pigeonholes others to avoid real debate.

  • Anonymous

    Rather, there is no arguing with someone who pigeonholes others to avoid real debate.

  • Anonymous

    Rather, there is no arguing with someone who pigeonholes others to avoid real debate.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t get behind the idea of telling people what they HAVE to do with their private land. Overgeneralised ‘laws’ like you are suggesting hurt people and will discourage anyone from buying land at all as an investment (let’s pretend some outside company actually wants to come to Maine and sink all their money into making a viable company there.) Thus stifling what all Mainers want – growth and jobs. I find that ‘donating’ purchased land in order to get all kinds of tax money back is yucky – but maybe LePage could be a man, pull ED (Eminent domain) on the entire population in northern Maine and bequeath the state to the gov’t as a national park. Maine would suddenly have all kinds of tax free money!

  • Anonymous

    I can’t get behind the idea of telling people what they HAVE to do with their private land. Overgeneralised ‘laws’ like you are suggesting hurt people and will discourage anyone from buying land at all as an investment (let’s pretend some outside company actually wants to come to Maine and sink all their money into making a viable company there.) Thus stifling what all Mainers want – growth and jobs. I find that ‘donating’ purchased land in order to get all kinds of tax money back is yucky – but maybe LePage could be a man, pull ED (Eminent domain) on the entire population in northern Maine and bequeath the state to the gov’t as a national park. Maine would suddenly have all kinds of tax free money!

  • 525_44

    You are so concerned about Redwoods but we have nothing here that compares to them.
    Again you are ignoring the environmental factors here in the Northeast that negatively impacts our woods here and is out of the control of anyone, including quimby.

    All her money cannot stop the rain or the insects.

  • Anonymous

    You have it right Maine people. IF Quimby has her way it will not be the Maine people it will be the Federal Government.

  • Anonymous

    I can absolutely guarantee she intends to buy more land, and I would put money on the people she wants to buy from are feeling a lot of pressure to sell to her. I just cross my fingers and hope they stay strong and keep telling that wench no.

  • 525_44

    There wasn’t acid rain that many years ago and life was new and it wasn’t all that great.
    Bogs outnumbered the forests.

  • Anonymous

    She is “ wanting to open up parts of her land to the public”; do you mean the extortion part? IF you read the threads over the last several years everyone is well aware she can do with her land as she pleases. The Federal Government though, does not have to make it a National Park to make it a monument to Quimby.

  • Anonymous

    sasquatch

  • Anonymous

    The “environmental factors” did not prevent 6-foot diameter white pines from existing in Maine less than a hundred years ago.  In other words, with proper care and management, we can bring them back.  You’ve never seen a fully majestic forest have you, the kind that William Bartram described, or that the first settlers saw when they arrived?

    We can bring that back.  And despite people like you who can’t see beyond the profit of tree planation, humanity someday will bring back the big white pines and all the rest.  Quimby’s Park could have them in about 200 years.

  • Anonymous

    It was also clear he did not want his family involved in the running of it. I think Buzz made a mess of some area’s, of course the Deeds of Trust are open to interpretation.  He messed up Katahdin Stream, beautiful cabins were torn down. I believe gates were put up after his death. Also if it had not been for a fight with the Fin & Feather Club, Maine residents would be paying a fee to enter.Now we see they have blocked some access to Togue Pond. Quimby I believe would prefer no one to walk on her land.

  • 525_44

    Like I said… There is no arguing/debating with you. You refuse to see the forest for the trees in it. Over and over and over and over and over………ad nauseum.

    I participate as often as I can but I am not paid to be here be proselytising as you are.

  • 525_44

    Acid rain is here you are not seeing that. Insects and acid rain, no amount of money can stop it.
    If she doesn’t manage the forest to stop the spread of disease IT WILL FALL DOWN.

  • 525_44

    I have an idea what you are about from reading your posts that psyche 101, the ability to read folks. I am not the only one who can glean from someone’s writing’s as to what they are and what they are about.

    You are not adding the unavoidable environmental factors here in Maine. Acid rain falls on the woods here, insects infect and destroy the trees. Without human intervention in these matters the trees will FALL DOWN.

    A forest needs to be managed in these times, pine blister spreads like wildfire, her land will become a have for blister and insects that will spread their disease in her forest and then to the adjacent woods around her.

  • 525_44

    I am a scientifically based person not a spiritual one.
    I have opinions as you do, neither of us is right all the time.

    You however somehow have a notion that causes you to believe you are above reproach and consider that you are always right because you have a god on your ‘side’.

    I don’t need a god as a crutch to believe in myself and my principles.

  • Anonymous

    Acid rain has been cut way back by ingenious use of the capitalist model:

    http://www.edf.org/approach/markets/acid-rain?gclid=CLOf3cjYwqsCFeh25QodFVH4vA

    It is something that is declining, and that humanity can deal with.

    Did you bother to do any research?

  • Anonymous

    The effects of acid rain are on the decline:

    http://www.edf.org/approach/markets/acid-rain?gclid=CLOf3cjYwqsCFeh25QodFVH4vA

    The effects of acid rain can be managed.  National Parks get acid rain and yet, wow, somehow they are still far more beautiful than a tree farm.

  • Anonymous

    completely agree… that’s just what I meant, she definitely intends on buying up more land, but there was a meeting in Millinocket where she says she doesn’t want to buy anymore land, she wants to basically make this a national park and be done with it, except of course that she would buy the 70k acres on the other side of the river for “us” to have… just goes to show she’ll say/do whatever she needs to make this a park.  I hope these landowners will so no, too… but starting to think she’s going to get what she wants.

  • 525_44

    I read that, it doesn’t say there is no acid rain.

  • Anonymous

    Hello.  I have been saying repeatedly that a National Park is managed by humanity.  A National Park does not mean hands off.  Where are you getting this impression?

    As for acid rain, it has been declining due to better economic practices.  National Parks that get acid rain have not withered into rot.  If you were right, Baxter would be nothing but rot–but it isn’t.  

    Acid rain link:

    http://www.edf.org/approach/markets/acid-rain?gclid=CLOf3cjYwqsCFeh25QodFVH4vA

    Stop using irrational scare tactics.  Do you think Baxter is a dangerous infectious place for the rest of Maine?

  • 525_44

    I read your link. It is a biased link as so many are. It claims to have reduced acid rain not stopped it.

  • 525_44

    I read your link. It is a biased link as so many are. It claims to have reduced acid rain not stopped it.

  • 525_44

    I don’t have as much time on my hands as you do.
    I asked you many times where are you from and you don’t answer, instead you give a flowery, feel good comment or talk about Redwoods without giving an honest answer.
    I am from Maine as you probably can deduce from my comments.

  • Anonymous

    LMAO…you can always see a bit of humor and throw a little back. Thank you.
    We rarely agree on issues, but I always stop to see what you have say.

  • 525_44

    It would be nice if Roxanne went away along with the Spruce Dweller…….

  • 525_44

    I’m not using scare tactics and you think you are 100% correct about this situation and you’re not.
    I’m done with you, I have to actually work for a living, not sit behind a computer screen and get paid by Quimby.

  • 525_44

    7th Day Adventist much…..

  • 525_44

    The trees became blow downs at the hands of nature.

  • Anonymous

    What percentage of taxes should miss quimby be paying seems to me she is one of the liberals evil rich.If she can afford to turn maine into a state park she must not be paying enough to her employees or to the government. When she is done i hope i get the last job left in maine i want to be Yogi not a government sponsored map and trinket salesman.Fits right in with the jobless programs of the past.

  • Anonymous

    also her face looks like a human grinch 

  • Anonymous

    See what you pulp cuttahs do ? 

    Hold your breath for a hundred years, then you can exhale, when it right again. 

  • Anonymous

    They don’t want to hear the truth. If they did, they’d go find out like we did.

  • Anonymous

    Without folks like Baxter and Quimby, the Katahdin region very well could have been another Niagara Falls.  Imagine, you could ride your sled to the very top! If Quimby is successful with her goal, I’m extremely confident that her opposition’s grandchildren and great grandchildren will view the park she creates as most view BSP, a gem!

  • Anonymous

    Look pal, I’m what you might call “filthy liberal scum” and I’m proud of it. I have never had any use for Roxanne, and see her as the bully she is telling we natives what’s best for us.  Get off your soapbox please as this isn’t about Liberals Vs Teapublicans, this is about the lives and culture of the people who live here. If you feel the need to editorialize there are plenty of other articles to comment on.

  • Anonymous

    Got to BSP, you will see what’s left of a mature forest after the blowdown and forest fire 25yrs ago.  

  • Anonymous

    It seems there is a fair amount of moralizing going on. It is odd that people who don’t live in an area such as yourself, presumably a card carrying Democrat like myself. And like myself,  probably seethe at the continued attempts of Republicans to legislate morality, i.e., abortion, creationism, etc..  That you would fall under the spell of a woman who has pretensions of noblesse oblige, but is in fact doing the same thing you so revile in the aforementioned Teapublican attempts to derail evolution and a woman’s right to choose. You obviously have no comprehension of the culture or the history of where I live, and neither does Roxanne. She has never had any interest at all in compromise. It’s her way or the highway cause she knows what’s best for everyone. It seems you share that philosophy. I guess you are closer to your Republican brothers than you think?? I’m going to cut and paste this into one of Sprucedweller’s comments too just so you younguns might have a moment to reflect on your false sense of superiority.  :0)

  • Anonymous

    It seems there is a fair amount of moralizing going on. It is odd that people who don’t live in an area such as yourself, presumably a card carrying Democrat like myself. And like myself,  probably seethe at the continued attempts of Republicans to legislate morality, i.e., abortion, creationism, etc..  That you would fall under the spell of a woman who has pretensions of noblesse oblige, but is in fact doing the same thing you so revile in the aforementioned Teapublican attempts to derail evolution and a woman’s right to choose. You obviously have no comprehension of the culture or the history of where I live, and neither does Roxanne. She has never had any interest at all in compromise. It’s her way or the highway cause she knows what’s best for everyone. It seems you share that philosophy. I guess you are closer to your Republican brothers than you think?? 
    Take a moment to reflect on your false sense of superiority, okay? You don’t know what’s best for me and I don’t know or pretend to know what’s best for you and would never try to force you into a situation that sounds good to me, but might be an anathema to you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Seth-Spencer/100000243320947 Seth Spencer

    this sucks that means all that forest she has purchesed we can only hunt there for one year which is a bunch of BS

  • Anonymous

    If you don’t like what she is doing, then you go and buy the land.
    Otherwise, be happy she lets anyone on it at all.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, “Nature(s) greatness” is codified into law by Americans who want to protect beautiful places like parks, rivers, mountain ranges, coastlines…

  • Anonymous

    she should use her own beauty products

  • Anonymous

    The gov’t telling private citizens what to do with their land? wow.

  • Anonymous

    The gov’t telling private citizens what to do with their land? wow.

  • Anonymous

    I was brought up, on a side street
    Learned how to love, before I could eat
    Hey, I was educated, from good, good stock
    When I start loving I just can’t stop
    I’m a soul man, I’m a soul man

  • Anonymous

    I was brought up, on a side street
    Learned how to love, before I could eat
    Hey, I was educated, from good, good stock
    When I start loving I just can’t stop
    I’m a soul man, I’m a soul man

  • Anonymous

    Cutting diseased forests doesn’t work, nothing does.

  • Anonymous

    Cutting diseased forests doesn’t work, nothing does.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, please explain how they are socialists…

  • Anonymous

    Oh, please explain how they are socialists…

  • Anonymous

    Deer die without mature forests to yard up in the winter.

  • Anonymous

    Deer die without mature forests to yard up in the winter.

  • Anonymous

    zero time. sorry to bust your bubble.

  • Anonymous

    zero time. sorry to bust your bubble.

  • Anonymous

    Donating land to the public is not the same as controlling the masses.  So it’s private property rights for all except RQ?

  • Anonymous

    Donating land to the public is not the same as controlling the masses.  So it’s private property rights for all except RQ?

  • Anonymous

     ”I think it’s way past time to pass laws forcing land owners to either allow traditional uses…”Oh, you are clearly the dangerous one here.

  • Anonymous

     ”I think it’s way past time to pass laws forcing land owners to either allow traditional uses…”Oh, you are clearly the dangerous one here.

  • Anonymous

    She has a right to do what she is doing. 

  • Anonymous

    She has a right to do what she is doing. 

  • Anonymous

    You insult your fellow Mainers by assuming that we don’t understand “big words”.  People who don’t make assumptions about people they know nothing about ARE better than you.

  • Anonymous

    You insult your fellow Mainers by assuming that we don’t understand “big words”.  People who don’t make assumptions about people they know nothing about ARE better than you.

  • Anonymous

    You realize the irony that you are arguing agasint her private property rights…

  • Anonymous

    You realize the irony that you are arguing agasint her private property rights…

  • Anonymous

    And what is paul Lapage??? He ran a state wide indoor flea market selling you yard sale quality goods with a little “poop” on it. And people act like he’s the second coming. And I believe he also left the state for another country at one time, his reasons being his own

  • Anonymous

    But it is her land. So I guess she can decide what she wants to do with it.

  • Anonymous

    No doubt she does, but that is not the point here.  She poses a dangerous threat of Federal control in  a radical agenda that Maine has resisted for almost 25 years.  I understand why people make personal remarks against her out of justifiable anger and frustration, but I hope people focus on appropriate ways of stopping her.

  • Anonymous

    Those who know something of the National Park Service’s long record of abuse using its raw Federal power against people in Maine and across the country know very well that it is morally reprehensible.   The dismissive mocking and taunting from the Big Parkies who are so willing to sacrifice people to nature remind normal people how vicious this agenda is and the nature of the threat from these power seekers.

  • Anonymous

    “Libertarians” are not the only people who oppose wilderness theocracy.  This is fundamentally about the rights of human beings not to be sacrificed to power seekers who think their mystical attribution of an intrinsic value of nature supersedes human values and rights.  They are not the only kinds of statist power seekers, but that is what drives most of these activists to behave like other people’s private property is their church.

  • Anonymous

    To love is to value.  Love is the highest form of valuing.  The issue is the objectivity of human values based on human life as the standard versus the misanthropes who advocate subjectivist, mystical standards like the notion of ‘nature’ as an alleged ‘intrinsic value’ superseding human values and rights.  Letting such people have power is dangerous to all of us.  They can’t even begin to justify their criteria, but have no compunction about forcing it on everyone else, denying the rights of individuals as a matter of principle.

  • Anonymous

    Wood products have a value that supports Maine’s economy.  So does tourism and so do private homes that we choose to live in, though there is no market for 10 million acres of homes in the Maine woods.  “Resources” on other people’s private property are not yours to lose.

  • Anonymous

    Wood products have a value that supports Maine’s economy.  So does tourism and so do private homes that we choose to live in, though there is no market for 10 million acres of homes in the Maine woods.  “Resources” on other people’s private property are not yours to lose.

  • Anonymous

    Baxter, saying he did not trust the federal government, resisted efforts
    to turn the park into a national park. He placed various restrictive
    covenants on the park so that today it is not actually part of the Maine
    government body that administers the state’s other parks. Rather it is
    administered by the Baxter State Park Authority.

  • Anonymous

    No one’s ownership of land within a governmental jurisdiction gives him the right to change the form of government there to more dictatorial Federal control abolishing the very institution of private property rights.  The viros want raw, unaccountable power for themselves to impose social controls on the rest of us.  They have no justification for that.  They are power seekers.  Can you imagine the uproar if a paper company tried to do that?  

  • Anonymous

    Quimby does not have a “right” to bring Federal control into Maine. 

  • Anonymous

    Quimby does not have a “right” to bring Federal control into Maine. 

  • Anonymous

    Yes, the National Park Service did not create Cadillac Mountain overlooking the ocean that people like to see and it cannot create another one elsewhere.  The desire to see Quimby’s land is very limited.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, the National Park Service did not create Cadillac Mountain overlooking the ocean that people like to see and it cannot create another one elsewhere.  The desire to see Quimby’s land is very limited.

  • Anonymous

    This is a strawman argument that does not address the objections to the Quimby/Restore/NPCA agenda. 

    There is no justification for the National Park Service imposing eminent domain to prevent people from using their own property and there is no justification of Quimby helping the government to do this at Acadia, as she already is.

  • Anonymous

    Folks it’s her money and someone is unloading the acreage. Somebody is selling it and she’s buying what’s out there. Not sure what everyone wants other than the way they think things ought to be and that varies. Seems like she’s portrayed as the devil incarnate. Any info out there on what she says she will ultimately do with all the land? Not sure personal attacks will serve any purpose other than create resolve to drop more cash for more land.

  • Anonymous

    Folks it’s her money and someone is unloading the acreage. Somebody is selling it and she’s buying what’s out there. Not sure what everyone wants other than the way they think things ought to be and that varies. Seems like she’s portrayed as the devil incarnate. Any info out there on what she says she will ultimately do with all the land? Not sure personal attacks will serve any purpose other than create resolve to drop more cash for more land.

  • Anonymous

    If I could I would.

  • Anonymous

    If I could I would.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, the preservation was primarily for themselves, who were mostly the only ones who had access to it in comparison with the general public.  They sure weren’t doing it for the local people, who revolted against their abuse..  The big shots even banned roads and cars until the 1940s when the great fire burned them out for it.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, the preservation was primarily for themselves, who were mostly the only ones who had access to it in comparison with the general public.  They sure weren’t doing it for the local people, who revolted against their abuse..  The big shots even banned roads and cars until the 1940s when the great fire burned them out for it.

  • Anonymous

    The whole country was being settled in the 18th and 19th centuries without government planning and control until the early progressives following European ideology, such as Bismarkian Germany, started tapping government power and money.  Maine has been deliberately held back by the viro pressure groups who have been trying to keep it locked up until they can get the Federal government to grab it.

  • Anonymous

    The whole country was being settled in the 18th and 19th centuries without government planning and control until the early progressives following European ideology, such as Bismarkian Germany, started tapping government power and money.  Maine has been deliberately held back by the viro pressure groups who have been trying to keep it locked up until they can get the Federal government to grab it.

  • Anonymous

    That is false.  Quimby has no “property right” to impose Federal control. 

    She has the right to exercise her freedom under her property rights to do crazy deliberately destructive things on her own land as long she owns it, and the rest of us have the right under freedom of speech to denounce her for it.  Judging her for what she does is not denying her freedom to do it.

  • Anonymous

    That is false.  Quimby has no “property right” to impose Federal control. 

    She has the right to exercise her freedom under her property rights to do crazy deliberately destructive things on her own land as long she owns it, and the rest of us have the right under freedom of speech to denounce her for it.  Judging her for what she does is not denying her freedom to do it.

  • Anonymous

    Actually it doesn’t necessarily have to be a fully mature forest.  A strong closed canopy with nearby browse makes for a functional deer yard as long as there is enough forage to get them through the winter.  A fully mature forest doesn’t always have that canopy closure.  I would think that the best habitats have a balance among all the various needs of the animal throughout the entire year.  Deer tend to thrive in regenerating forests rather than mature forests.  That in part can be seen historically as deer numbers now are greater than they have been historically, when forests before colonization were likely mature.  The greater diversity of forests now created a better grouping of habitat types that allowed for greater numbers.  Undoubtedly deer yards should be protected if at all possible, but to say that deer will die without a mature forest isn’t exactly the case.

  • kkmousse

    Yes the State has some beautiful features, I agree with that, but….
    As for the protecting their heritage, that will most likely end up like the Allagash Restore project and everything reverting back to the day the planet was made just about.
    Her blackmail of snowmobilers to accept her proposal in exchange for 5 years use of the land.  Well if she really wanted the plan to go forth she would have had perpetual use of the land for snowmobiling.
    No I think that her plan calls for making the place so difficult to get into by removing all the roads, trails ans other access points to people.  The back to nature is just for the wild life only.
    Part of that Adgenda 21 by the UN,  I have been reading about in the Lincoln News paper….a multipart series on this issue.
    None of that is even suggested in the Bangor Daily or other large media outlet.
    That plan is to make Maine a Park and no people will be living here if it comes about.  It has been in the works slowly over time as far back as 1974.

  • kkmousse

    No at least Baxter did his donation before we had a UN (I think)

  • kkmousse

    No at least Baxter did his donation before we had a UN (I think)

  • Anonymous

    Have you heard the expression, “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”?

    we always use our experience when assessing meaning.  that is the essence of subjectivity.  

  • Anonymous

    Have you heard the expression, “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”?

    we always use our experience when assessing meaning.  that is the essence of subjectivity.  

  • kkmousse

    Personally I do not think that the Government wants it as a park at all.  It would just be another place that would end up being closed down due to lack of funds. That is the reality of the issue. Quimby seems to not pay any attention to that aspect of it. 

  • kkmousse

    Personally I do not think that the Government wants it as a park at all.  It would just be another place that would end up being closed down due to lack of funds. That is the reality of the issue. Quimby seems to not pay any attention to that aspect of it. 

  • kkmousse

    I sort of consider myself a moderate liberal whatever. Balance is important.  But even I do not like Quimby’s plan and I am not even from Maine.  When I first moved up here I heard that most Mainers do not like people from “Away” because they are buying up all the land and turning the State into a National Park.  The people of Maine would have not place to live then.  At first I thought this was a strange thing to say to a newcomer to Maine….but apparently that fear seems to be more true then pipedream.  Over the past few years since 2003 when I first got involved in Maine I have seen this fear transpire into fact. 
    But the issue of the National Park should not even be on the table at all.
    We do not need to pay for a fesability study.  Lets get that money used for important things like creating jobs for Maines so that they do not have to move to another State.  If everyone moves away to find a job there will be no Mainers in Maine at all……then we really would have a National Nature Reserve which seems to be the ultimate goal here.  And I am not a conservative!

  • kkmousse

    I sort of consider myself a moderate liberal whatever. Balance is important.  But even I do not like Quimby’s plan and I am not even from Maine.  When I first moved up here I heard that most Mainers do not like people from “Away” because they are buying up all the land and turning the State into a National Park.  The people of Maine would have not place to live then.  At first I thought this was a strange thing to say to a newcomer to Maine….but apparently that fear seems to be more true then pipedream.  Over the past few years since 2003 when I first got involved in Maine I have seen this fear transpire into fact. 
    But the issue of the National Park should not even be on the table at all.
    We do not need to pay for a fesability study.  Lets get that money used for important things like creating jobs for Maines so that they do not have to move to another State.  If everyone moves away to find a job there will be no Mainers in Maine at all……then we really would have a National Nature Reserve which seems to be the ultimate goal here.  And I am not a conservative!

  • kkmousse

    No it does not keep growing back.  If that was the case there would be nice hardwoods on my property.  But since it was clearcut all that is there are weak saplings and softwoods that grow fast.  Since it takes many years to grown a good hardwood they are not usually planted and are usually even listed as a lesser value at the Treegrowth site for those people that have land in Treegrowth. 
    And the areas that are selectively cut have the spindly, crooked trees that end up falling down during a bad storm because they no longer have the support of the other trees for protection. You also have the trees that are damaged due to the equiptment that is used and left standing so that they eventually die a few years late due to the injury to the bark. 
    So it really does not grow back the same…..it is very different.

  • kkmousse

    No it does not keep growing back.  If that was the case there would be nice hardwoods on my property.  But since it was clearcut all that is there are weak saplings and softwoods that grow fast.  Since it takes many years to grown a good hardwood they are not usually planted and are usually even listed as a lesser value at the Treegrowth site for those people that have land in Treegrowth. 
    And the areas that are selectively cut have the spindly, crooked trees that end up falling down during a bad storm because they no longer have the support of the other trees for protection. You also have the trees that are damaged due to the equiptment that is used and left standing so that they eventually die a few years late due to the injury to the bark. 
    So it really does not grow back the same…..it is very different.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BY6ECNSOHWOJ5YYSWWBF3ODCXI thale138

    well, for one thing, she is paying for it, and has set aside 20 million according the article to get things started.  For another thing, you dont like driving on roads, and having bridges that dont fall down?  Thats not a get rich quick scam, thats basic infrastructure and jobs for state “workers”, and those people they buy things from, etc etc.  Are you such a ditto bot that all you can do is parrot glenn becks chalkboard?

  • kkmousse

    You said it right!

  • kkmousse

    You said it right!

  • kkmousse

    I think you are onto something.  The Government manages the National Parks and if at some point a different party gets in.  Then they could decide to mine for gas and other natural resouces if they choose.  I do not see that as an issue here (yet) but like the Artic Wildlife Reserve where they want to drill for oil. The only think keeping that from happening is vote in the Senate. 
    Well something like that could happen here and the choice would be taken away from the people of Maine to decidee the fate of a (proposed) National Park.  It would be in the hands of those Lobbist paid elected Officials in Washington.  Now that is something to think about!

  • Anonymous

    dude, did you even read the article? She’s letting numerous groups use parts of her land.  Do some research and you might actually get to enjoy her gift to Maine.  Think of the jobs that could come out of this national park.  Maine is dying without jobs, we need this to happen.

  • Anonymous

    You shoudl really read more of her writings, and your own research. Her gift to Maine? yea right, and she is letting some groups possibly on her land for 5 years “IF” they support her. As the the group what happened last time they supported her efforts.

  • 525_44

    I am not blind/deaf to that fact.

  • Anonymous

    Do you write all these posts yourself or do you guys at Don’t Fence ME In take turns?

  • Anonymous

    Do you write all these posts yourself or do you guys at Don’t Fence ME In take turns?

  • Anonymous

    Exactly, things aren’t always as glamorous as they are made out to be years later.  No one wants the truth out there if it isn’t politically correct or would be improper.   

  • Anonymous

    Exactly, things aren’t always as glamorous as they are made out to be years later.  No one wants the truth out there if it isn’t politically correct or would be improper.   

  • Anonymous

    Now that is ridiculous, HC Haynes and Lakeville Shores Inc is a well respected group known all over the state, other states, and countries. If you own property in the middle of Haynes property maybe they are sick of paying to maintain a road to your property , sounds like sour grapes to me, and if you were a good neighbor you would help chip in to maintain it. 

  • Anonymous

    Now that is ridiculous, HC Haynes and Lakeville Shores Inc is a well respected group known all over the state, other states, and countries. If you own property in the middle of Haynes property maybe they are sick of paying to maintain a road to your property , sounds like sour grapes to me, and if you were a good neighbor you would help chip in to maintain it. 

  • Anonymous

    The tax base in Aroostook County is huge and collects lots of taxes per territory, large landowners average bill per each territory which is 22000 acres is around $55000, not to mention waterfront, we are not poor here. I”d rather have the loggers maintain the road than the state. 

  • Anonymous

    The tax base in Aroostook County is huge and collects lots of taxes per territory, large landowners average bill per each territory which is 22000 acres is around $55000, not to mention waterfront, we are not poor here. I”d rather have the loggers maintain the road than the state. 

  • Anonymous

    When someone buys property it is his choice whether or not and to what extent others can use it.  Whether hunting or snowmobiling is permitted typically depends on the size of the land and proximity to a home or camp enjoyed in peace and privacy, though there are some who have unique reasons of their own.  The timber economy is very important to Maine and there is no market demand for homes on most of the 10 million acres.  But you have every right to enjoy the property you own, with no right to “pull up the drawbridge” and keep everyone else out by trampling your neighbors’ property rights.  Private property is a right not subject to others’ desire or demand to use your property.  Living in a country that protects the rights of the individual is an enormous benefit; everyone on earth has a right to it by his nature as a human being regardless of whether it is recognized and upheld by his government.  

  • Anonymous

    When someone buys property it is his choice whether or not and to what extent others can use it.  Whether hunting or snowmobiling is permitted typically depends on the size of the land and proximity to a home or camp enjoyed in peace and privacy, though there are some who have unique reasons of their own.  The timber economy is very important to Maine and there is no market demand for homes on most of the 10 million acres.  But you have every right to enjoy the property you own, with no right to “pull up the drawbridge” and keep everyone else out by trampling your neighbors’ property rights.  Private property is a right not subject to others’ desire or demand to use your property.  Living in a country that protects the rights of the individual is an enormous benefit; everyone on earth has a right to it by his nature as a human being regardless of whether it is recognized and upheld by his government.  

  • Anonymous

    Quimby has stated for years that she is buying land to flip it to the National Park Service.  The plan for the National Park Service to take over millions of acres of
    private property in Maine as a strategic priority came from Washington
    in the 1980s.  She has said that she opposes private property rights and wants the land under government control to eliminate property rights.  She has said that she is using her land as a “seed” and a “down payment” for the National Park  Service to take over much more than her land.  She has promoted the Restore agenda for 3.2 million acres as a member of their board of directors and since.  She says she would like a “10 million acre” National Park, “the bigger the better” and “the sky’s the limit”. 

    Quimby is helping the National Park Service by buying land at Acadia from owners under the threat of condemnation.  On her own land she has been cancelling camp leases and tearing down camps, closing roads, and blocking traditional access to eliminate human use on principle.  Quimby and Restore are opposed to industry and private homes on the land targeted and want millions of acres in government imposed wilderness for “ecosystem restoration”.

  • Anonymous

    The agenda for Federal control taking over millions of acres of private property in Maine has been rejected systematically since the plan was concocted in Washington in the 1980s.  People do not want to lose their property, a private productive economy, and traditional recreation to Federal control for good reason.  We are not “idiots”.  The National Park Service has a long record of abuse in Maine and across the country.  Both Maine Senators, the governor and the state legislature are opposed to Quimby’s demands.

  • Anonymous

    $55K on 22000 acres is peanuts compared to what it would generate in a developed area.Northern Maine is sparsely populated and the tax base is low — it would be the poorest state in the nation. These fantasies of breaking off from the rest of Maine are foolish and unrealistic.

  • Anonymous

    The publisher of George Dorr’s own autobiographical account described it (1985 edition) as “a forest of political intrigues, favors called in, land speculation, the rebellion of the ‘locals’, an the unlimited use of reputations, power and money”. Dorr’s campaign took him “into the parlors and dining rooms of America’s elite, through the halls of Congress, and finally right into the Oval Office itself.” 

    The whole history of the National Park Service for nearly a century is one of cynical political machinations by very wealthy political insiders pulling strings and pushing people around.  You don’t see this in the media because the National Park Service lobby runs a very expensive, polished full-time PR campaign promoting the agency, keeping its bureaucratic corruption and trampling of people’s rights well hidden behind the scenic props.

    The National Park Service has a long record of abuse in Maine and across the country.  People who know that and who have had to contend with it don’t want any more of this nonsense.

     

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is not vaguely “donating to the public”.  She is playing her land and money in order to impose Federal control through the National Park Service in order to obliterate private property rights and has said so.  She has no right to change our form of government and her “property rights” do not give her such a “right”.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is not vaguely “donating to the public”.  She is playing her land and money in order to impose Federal control through the National Park Service in order to obliterate private property rights and has said so.  She has no right to change our form of government and her “property rights” do not give her such a “right”.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby is not vaguely “donating to the public”.  She is playing her land and money in order to impose Federal control through the National Park Service in order to obliterate private property rights and has said so.  She has no right to change our form of government and her “property rights” do not give her such a “right”.

  • Anonymous

    Your hatred for “big oil” is irrelevant.  The nature of National Park Service abuse has been understood and rejected in Maine for decades.  Some of us have experienced that abuse directly or known others who have.  Your agenda is abusive and oppressive.  Rejecting your power seeking over other people is not “mean”.   Defending our rights is not “aggression”.  Identifying the nature of National Park Service control, and what Quimby is doing and why is not “name calling”.  It is identification, not “names”, that don’t want.

  • Anonymous

    Your hatred for “big oil” is irrelevant.  The nature of National Park Service abuse has been understood and rejected in Maine for decades.  Some of us have experienced that abuse directly or known others who have.  Your agenda is abusive and oppressive.  Rejecting your power seeking over other people is not “mean”.   Defending our rights is not “aggression”.  Identifying the nature of National Park Service control, and what Quimby is doing and why is not “name calling”.  It is identification, not “names”, that don’t want.

  • Anonymous

    Government has power, not “rights”.  Individuals have freedom of action sanctioned by rights.  Government is supposed to be constitutionally limited in what it can do, with the purpose as protecting the rights of citizens.  Individuals are limited only in what they cannot do because it violates others’ rights.  A government that acts freely, as if had the “right” to impose power, is tyranny.  The coercion of government is not your tool to oppress other people.

  • Anonymous

    Government has power, not “rights”.  Individuals have freedom of action sanctioned by rights.  Government is supposed to be constitutionally limited in what it can do, with the purpose as protecting the rights of citizens.  Individuals are limited only in what they cannot do because it violates others’ rights.  A government that acts freely, as if had the “right” to impose power, is tyranny.  The coercion of government is not your tool to oppress other people.

  • Anonymous

    The topic is imposition of Federal control by Quimby.

  • Anonymous

    The topic is imposition of Federal control by Quimby.

  • Anonymous

    Do you agree some land has great value to society? In some cases the landowner has financial incentive to remove that value for their short term gain. Examples include farmland, especially that in areas under high pressure for development; working waterfront; historic ruins, battlefields, and architecture; unique natural features; etc. The largest tract of largely undeveloped land east of the Mississippi has societal value. I believe most of it should be preserved as working forest. One way to keep it out of the hands of someone like Roxanne would be to “take it off the market” with easements and/or national forest status (where property taxes would be replaced by timber leases). Setting aside a small portion for recreation and permanent protection wouldn’t be the end of the world.

  • Anonymous

    Do you agree some land has great value to society? In some cases the landowner has financial incentive to remove that value for their short term gain. Examples include farmland, especially that in areas under high pressure for development; working waterfront; historic ruins, battlefields, and architecture; unique natural features; etc. The largest tract of largely undeveloped land east of the Mississippi has societal value. I believe most of it should be preserved as working forest. One way to keep it out of the hands of someone like Roxanne would be to “take it off the market” with easements and/or national forest status (where property taxes would be replaced by timber leases). Setting aside a small portion for recreation and permanent protection wouldn’t be the end of the world.

  • Anonymous

    Do you agree some land has great value to society? In some cases the landowner has financial incentive to remove that value for their short term gain. Examples include farmland, especially that in areas under high pressure for development; working waterfront; historic ruins, battlefields, and architecture; unique natural features; etc. The largest tract of largely undeveloped land east of the Mississippi has societal value. I believe most of it should be preserved as working forest. One way to keep it out of the hands of someone like Roxanne would be to “take it off the market” with easements and/or national forest status (where property taxes would be replaced by timber leases). Setting aside a small portion for recreation and permanent protection wouldn’t be the end of the world.

  • Anonymous

    Individuals pursue their own goals under their rights to their own lives, not a supposed “right” to enslave others.  The purpose of government is to protect our rights, not become a tool to violate others’ rights.  You statist, sophomoric arguments flailing for justification are full of ignorance and contradiction.  Are you a young student? Your pursuit of controls over others will not be tolerated.

  • Anonymous

    Individuals pursue their own goals under their rights to their own lives, not a supposed “right” to enslave others.  The purpose of government is to protect our rights, not become a tool to violate others’ rights.  You statist, sophomoric arguments flailing for justification are full of ignorance and contradiction.  Are you a young student? Your pursuit of controls over others will not be tolerated.

  • Anonymous

    Individuals pursue their own goals under their rights to their own lives, not a supposed “right” to enslave others.  The purpose of government is to protect our rights, not become a tool to violate others’ rights.  You statist, sophomoric arguments flailing for justification are full of ignorance and contradiction.  Are you a young student? Your pursuit of controls over others will not be tolerated.

  • Anonymous

    Your mysticism and your demands for power over other people are unjustified.  The National Park Service is an oppressive agency that should be abolished so that the parks can be run legitimately.

  • Anonymous

    Your mysticism and your demands for power over other people are unjustified.  The National Park Service is an oppressive agency that should be abolished so that the parks can be run legitimately.

  • Anonymous

    Your mysticism and your demands for power over other people are unjustified.  The National Park Service is an oppressive agency that should be abolished so that the parks can be run legitimately.

  • Anonymous

    kkmousse, interesting thought you have.  If the land is in private hands, and huge natural gas deposits are found on it, then they can mine it and develop it within existing restrictions.  If the fed gov. owns it, the natural gas will sit there—in favor of the $5. gate fee.

  • Anonymous

    kkmousse, interesting thought you have.  If the land is in private hands, and huge natural gas deposits are found on it, then they can mine it and develop it within existing restrictions.  If the fed gov. owns it, the natural gas will sit there—in favor of the $5. gate fee.

  • Anonymous

    kkmousse, interesting thought you have.  If the land is in private hands, and huge natural gas deposits are found on it, then they can mine it and develop it within existing restrictions.  If the fed gov. owns it, the natural gas will sit there—in favor of the $5. gate fee.

  • Anonymous

    The Sun Journal has been blatantly promoting a National Park Service takeover for years and is not a credible news source. 

    Quimby’s notorious denouncing of private property rights appeared in an interview with Yankee Magazine three years ago. 

    The National Park Service agenda for Maine has been rejected across the state for nearly 25 years for good reason.  It does not have “majority support” nor would that matter to the rights of those targeted.  Restore, the Sierra Club, et al, have been push polling for years to promote their agenda.  They misrepresent Federal control as though it meant a year-round scenic vacation with money falling from the sky for “the economy”, without mentioning the actual record of abuse by the National park Service in Maine and elsewhere and the impact on real people and how they are sacrificed.  People who know what it means generally do not support it — except for radical viros who don’t care about other people’s rights.

  • Anonymous

    The Sun Journal has been blatantly promoting a National Park Service takeover for years and is not a credible news source. 

    Quimby’s notorious denouncing of private property rights appeared in an interview with Yankee Magazine three years ago. 

    The National Park Service agenda for Maine has been rejected across the state for nearly 25 years for good reason.  It does not have “majority support” nor would that matter to the rights of those targeted.  Restore, the Sierra Club, et al, have been push polling for years to promote their agenda.  They misrepresent Federal control as though it meant a year-round scenic vacation with money falling from the sky for “the economy”, without mentioning the actual record of abuse by the National park Service in Maine and elsewhere and the impact on real people and how they are sacrificed.  People who know what it means generally do not support it — except for radical viros who don’t care about other people’s rights.

  • Anonymous

    The Sun Journal has been blatantly promoting a National Park Service takeover for years and is not a credible news source. 

    Quimby’s notorious denouncing of private property rights appeared in an interview with Yankee Magazine three years ago. 

    The National Park Service agenda for Maine has been rejected across the state for nearly 25 years for good reason.  It does not have “majority support” nor would that matter to the rights of those targeted.  Restore, the Sierra Club, et al, have been push polling for years to promote their agenda.  They misrepresent Federal control as though it meant a year-round scenic vacation with money falling from the sky for “the economy”, without mentioning the actual record of abuse by the National park Service in Maine and elsewhere and the impact on real people and how they are sacrificed.  People who know what it means generally do not support it — except for radical viros who don’t care about other people’s rights.

  • Anonymous

    There would be no justification to impose this on people even if the government had money — in fact especially if had money because then it would be even worse.  This includes Quimby’s money as she tries to buy the imposition of government power.

  • Anonymous

    There is nothing “faluting” about concepts of human rights.  They depend on human life as a standard and preclude a government of nature theocracy.  It has nothing to do with “fences”.  This tree hugger’s naive sophistry on behalf of an arrogant, oppressive political agenda is full of rationalistic contradictions and ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    That’s right;the U S government will own the land, which happens to be the citizens of the U S.I.E all of us .     
    ******************************************
    riiiiiight….then why can’t I sell MY SHARE of it?

  • Anonymous

    Wrong, I  just see things differently because I was lucky enough to escape and see the world for 25 years…….. you think Maine’s different from other places ?…. well it’s not …. redneck nation is in every state …. there’s folks in OK, NC and AZ just as ignorant as folks here.

  • Anonymous

    Terrorists deliberately killing and terrorizing innocent civilians for a political goal do not transform into “freedom fighters” just because a subjectivist wants to use such misleading rhetoric on their behalf, and Quimby does not become a supporter of private property rights and political freedom just because a subjectivist wants to repackage her based on property ownership without regard to her political ideology, methods and goals.

    Using experience properly is not “subjective”.  Experience is experience of reality, not isolated inside your head apart from the reality you are aware of.  That it is you who does the perceiving does not make perception subjective.  Whether or not one’s knowledge is objective depends on whether it remains consistent with reality, undistorted by rationalizations or worse.  Your knowledge is not subjective just because it is your knowledge based on your experience.

    If conceptual classification is attempted subjectively, without regard to essentials, then objective knowledge of a Quimby or anything else becomes impossible. Without objective concepts of what things are — in terms of socialism, private property, etc. — it would be impossible to grasp and convey the nature of a Quimby, which is what her apologists seek through misuse and distortions of concepts.  It is an anti-conceptual political strategy attempting to undermine people’s understanding by deliberately switching word usage to avoid essentials someone is trying to suppress.

    Quimby has been quite outspoken about what she is after.  We don’t have to guess.  It is not hard to understand what she is.  Someone playing subjective games with concepts such as what a socialist is or isn’t because Quimby exploits private property as a political tool does not turn her into a representative of private property rights and political and economic freedom.  We know what she is despite the efforts of those who want to obfuscate and try to undermine our very means of knowledge, dismissed as supposedly subjective and therefore irrelevant to judgment.  That stunt, employed to manipulate people who respect private property rights into admiring Quimby, is not going to work.

  • Anonymous

    Yes

    It’s so ignorant.

  • Anonymous

    Stopping the Quimby-Restore-NPCA assault is not in an “ivory tower”.  The tree hugger doesn’t appear to have any idea what “Logical Positivism” is, nor is his diversion relevant.  “Love and beauty” do matter.  The tree hugger’s emotions and nature mysticism are not an excuse for his arrogant oppressive political agenda against which the rest of us are defending what we do love. He had better get it clear in his head that this is not an academic discussion.

  • Anonymous

    The agenda to impose Federal control in Maine through the National Park Service wiping out private property rights destroys political and economic freedom and is intended to by Quimby.  The greater the scope of that, the worse the destruction as it is consistently implemented.  Without property rights there are no rights.  

  • Anonymous

    She is not exercising property rights.  She is trying to eliminate them through Federal control and has said so.  She has no “property right” to eliminate property rights on her land or anywhere else.

  • Anonymous

    How to “conserve gems” can be discussed after you agree to protect property righst and drop the imposition of more government control.

  • Anonymous

    This is another tree hugger dishonest misrepresentation.

  • Anonymous

    This is another tree hugger dishonest misrepresentation.

  • Anonymous

    Augustine was overthrown by the Enlightenment a very long time ago.   This country is not based on mystic sacrifice to the collective.  

    “Capitalism” is not a primary.  The “higher law” is based on the rights of man: the principle of the inalienable right of life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness by the individual, from which “capitalism”, meaning a politically and economically free society, follows — and which the viro left wants to destroy.

  • Anonymous

    Augustine was overthrown by the Enlightenment a very long time ago.   This country is not based on mystic sacrifice to the collective.  

    “Capitalism” is not a primary.  The “higher law” is based on the rights of man: the principle of the inalienable right of life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness by the individual, from which “capitalism”, meaning a politically and economically free society, follows — and which the viro left wants to destroy.

  • Anonymous

    Not in the tree hugger’s posts.

  • Anonymous

    Not in the tree hugger’s posts.

  • Anonymous

    American Christians are not misanthropes.  Viro ideological nature worship is not based on reason. The mystical ‘intrinsic value’ of nature superseding human values and rights is nihilistic.

  • Anonymous

    American Christians are not misanthropes.  Viro ideological nature worship is not based on reason. The mystical ‘intrinsic value’ of nature superseding human values and rights is nihilistic.

  • Anonymous

    Americans create wealth.

  • Anonymous

    Americans create wealth.

  • Anonymous

    Americans create wealth.

  • Anonymous

    Americans create wealth.

  • Anonymous

    All those words designate concepts employed to understand the viros and their oppressive agenda.

  • Anonymous

    All those words designate concepts employed to understand the viros and their oppressive agenda.

  • Anonymous

    All those words designate concepts employed to understand the viros and their oppressive agenda.

  • Anonymous

    All those words designate concepts employed to understand the viros and their oppressive agenda.

  • Anonymous

    A private productive economy is not based on range of the moment “stimulus”.  GDP is an aggregate measurement, not a goal or standard for anyone’ private choices and actions.

  • Anonymous

    A private productive economy is not based on range of the moment “stimulus”.  GDP is an aggregate measurement, not a goal or standard for anyone’ private choices and actions.

  • Anonymous

    A private productive economy is not based on range of the moment “stimulus”.  GDP is an aggregate measurement, not a goal or standard for anyone’ private choices and actions.

  • Anonymous

    A private productive economy is not based on range of the moment “stimulus”.  GDP is an aggregate measurement, not a goal or standard for anyone’ private choices and actions.

  • Anonymous

    Trees are not an intrinsic value.

    The meaningless, mystical notion of “true greatness of nature” is not a standard for human choices.

  • Anonymous

    Trees are not an intrinsic value.

    The meaningless, mystical notion of “true greatness of nature” is not a standard for human choices.

  • Anonymous

    Trees are not an intrinsic value.

    The meaningless, mystical notion of “true greatness of nature” is not a standard for human choices.

  • Anonymous

    He should trespass on YOUR land. See how you like it. You would shoot him with one of your guns.

    Reread your own posts, you are as snarky as they come.

  • Anonymous

    He should trespass on YOUR land. See how you like it. You would shoot him with one of your guns.

    Reread your own posts, you are as snarky as they come.

  • Anonymous

    He should trespass on YOUR land. See how you like it. You would shoot him with one of your guns.

    Reread your own posts, you are as snarky as they come.

  • Anonymous

    “Nature greatness” is meaningless gibberish.  National Park law imposes raw political power.  We know what that means.

  • Anonymous

    “Nature greatness” is meaningless gibberish.  National Park law imposes raw political power.  We know what that means.

  • Anonymous

    “Nature greatness” is meaningless gibberish.  National Park law imposes raw political power.  We know what that means.

  • Anonymous

    It’s very big rock. It has no intrinsic value.  A lot of people value scenery for their own enjoyment, not the rock’s.  The rock doesn’t care and can’t. Normal people don’t go berserk over scenery and exploit it for oppressive political control.

  • Anonymous

    It’s very big rock. It has no intrinsic value.  A lot of people value scenery for their own enjoyment, not the rock’s.  The rock doesn’t care and can’t. Normal people don’t go berserk over scenery and exploit it for oppressive political control.

  • Anonymous

    It’s very big rock. It has no intrinsic value.  A lot of people value scenery for their own enjoyment, not the rock’s.  The rock doesn’t care and can’t. Normal people don’t go berserk over scenery and exploit it for oppressive political control.

  • Anonymous

    Treehugger9 Sept. 29, 2011 07:50 AM in reply to ewv: “How about 2 billion years ago?  Nature always bats last and humans don’t matter two spits.”

    For emphasis.  No one one should forget this line from the viro:

    “humans don’t matter two spits.”

  • Anonymous

    This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue.  A lot of liberals are appalled at what the National Park Service does to violate people’s civil rights.  Very few of any political persuasion share her misanthropic, massive wilderness agenda.

  • Anonymous

    “…..undermine our very means of knowledge?”  that’s quite a feat.

    what happens when she gives her land to the Nature Conservancy instead of the Feds?  Same limitations, just diff. ownership type.  are you okay with her plans then?

  • Anonymous

    “…..undermine our very means of knowledge?”  that’s quite a feat.

    what happens when she gives her land to the Nature Conservancy instead of the Feds?  Same limitations, just diff. ownership type.  are you okay with her plans then?

  • Anonymous

    re: duality, that she can be a nature loving capitalist. 

  • Anonymous

    re: duality, that she can be a nature loving capitalist. 

  • Anonymous

    re: duality, that she can be a nature loving capitalist. 

  • Anonymous

    SpruceDweller Sept. 29, 2011 08:47 AM in reply to ewv: “Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal gave a favorable, or at least neutral view, of Quimby’s Park.”

    That statement is false. The Journal published a news article on the economics controversy and the mills.  There was no support for the wilderness agenda, only statements by opponents of National Park Service control and people desperately hoping for anything to save the economy.

    The tree dweller has misrepresented the article many times, including these false statements:

    “The Wall Street Journal, owned by Rupert Murdoch, is pro-Park.”
    “It looks like the Wall Street Journal, owned by Murdoch is all for the National Park.”

     None of this is true.

  • Anonymous

    Where have you seen the “right wing” advocating eminent domain against Quimby’s property rights as a “talking point” against the Federal park agenda?

    A comment, with no mention of any specific political principles, on a previous article suggested taking trails and it was rejected. I have seen it previously only very rarely and not by anyone reversing himself on principles against Federal control.

    A potentially legitimate possibility for eminent domain would only be to intercept an illicit transfer to the Federal government, not to take Quimby’s land as long as she wants to own or legitimately transfer it privately.  In rejecting that you wrote that you had not read the comment explaining it.  http://bangordailynews.com/2011/09/23/news/penobscot/quimby-quid-pro-quo-5-years-of-trail-access-for-snowmobile-clubs%E2%80%99-support/comments.permalink

    Quimby’s acknowledged “Plan B”, confirmed by Salazar, to have Obama pull an end run around Congress and unilaterally declare her land to be a National Monument is a politically nasty and undemocratic stunt.  It is a serious threat that has been imposed before (including at Acadia).  There is no property right to do that.  Property rights pertain to freedom of private action, not an entitlement to collusion with government officials.  The state should try to block such a scam under the principle of checks and balances against Federal usurpation.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby will say anything to implant the “seed” she wants for expanded Federal control over millions of acres.  A December 2006 Wall Street Journal article on private parks established for motorized recreation ended with a stark contrast revealing Quimby’s actions and true wilderness attitude:

    “But others are using their money to keep offroaders away. Roxanne Quimby, former CEO of cosmetics and candle company Burt’s Bees, has spent just under $40 million since 2000 buying some 70,000 acres of forest land. She has shut down dozens of miles of ATV and snowmobile trails. For riders that ignore the new mandates, Ms. Quimby has erected gates, destroyed bridges and culverts that patch together trails, and laid boulders across access roads. “It’s bad news for them when I buy a piece of property,” says Ms. Quimby.”

  • Anonymous

     lol ya, who doesn’t like gates, fences, family camps burned down along with the memory’s that went with it.Besides our kids won’t be enjoying your park they’ll be moving out of state.At least you’ll have the elderly and the pill head’s,oh don’t forget the rest of her anti maine friends.I wonder, the way things are goin in our country  why anyone would want more government involvement here. 

  • Anonymous

    it won’t stay that way once she get’s what she wants.

  • Anonymous

    lol is that spruce your dwelling near planted in Mass.?or did you TRANSPLANT it!!

  • Anonymous

    ya Quimby is definately no Baxter he loved the land he hunted, fished, right beside the local’s if Quimby thought she was anywere near the locals she’d probebly vomit from the hate welling in her stomach.

  • Anonymous

    Yes the topic or your point is safely hidden away if they have the oppertunity to get the grammer police to brush it under the rug.Personally, I think you should be born and raised here, to have a say here, regardless of how high you can stick your nose, or your degree up in the air.

  • Anonymous

    lol if they get their way there won’t be future generation’s at least none that would waste their lives here. bowing and groveling at the park gates for a seasonal minumum wage job.

  • Anonymous

    LOL would that be Quimby land !!!

  • Anonymous

    That’s not ignorance buddy that’s elitist attitude at it’s best. you can also see example’s of it on the politician’s faces in DC.

  • Anonymous

    lol are you saying we shouldn’t judge her by her action’s?Or him by his?

  • Anonymous

    Who’s society is she contributing to? doesn’t feel like ours, feels more like their’s.

  • Anonymous

    ya a car bomb ,is a car bomb, if it’s given to you would you really want it? I wouldn’t

  • Anonymous

    exactly, drive out every local, she would probebly erase all history of us to if she could.Just another case of big money strong arming the lil guy.

  • Anonymous

    ditto. 

  • Anonymous

    lol right wing comments dumb,left right middle doesn’t matter they have all been bought on both sides  and are becoming a threat to all American’s.Let’s not begin to mention the fact their opening us up to our enemy’s abroad

  • Anonymous

    according to you, the only people who should have a say in Maine are the Native Americans.  

    ps.

    it is spelled:  opportunity

  • Anonymous

    as long as our politician’s are following the directives of the rich like they are now, they’ll continue to rewrite the constitution.Only the people have the right to stop it. None of the amendment’s mean anything without the 2nd amendment that put’s the teeth in all the other’s once we allow them to remove it then we are lost,  and become slaves.Soldier’s take the oath to defend and uphold the constitution, but in truth it’s every American’s responsibility to defend and uphold our Constitution.So for all of you who want to see guns banned remember that.

  • Anonymous

    No, with those sixth grade educations they won’t even qualify for minimum wage jobs at a park….just more welfare checks and food stamps like mom and dad.  You’re a people who’s objection to a National Park is based on the false idea that you won’t be able to snowmobile there and a fear of a govt that gets those monthly checks to you today so you’ll have soda and chips for the weekend. 

  • Anonymous

    Elitist?    Ha, my car is 17 years old and Harley 13 years old, and bicycle 6 years old.  

  • Anonymous

    Forest Fires

  • Anonymous

    well sounds like florida is the place for you guys so long

  • Anonymous

    dictatorship? Ha elections coming up in 2011, elections last year! perhaps you don’t understand what a dictatorship is. …. or ‘evil’ either.

  • Anonymous

    i grew up in the county. on a dairy farm. 

    yes.  i left.  bygosh and bygolly.  now i’m back.  takin’ a stand and all.  ain’t that girl some wicked bossy?

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