It has taken a dozen years, but Maine residents and small-business owners can finally choose an electricity provider the same way they choose a cellphone carrier or an oil company.
The competitive market for selling electricity to consumers has developed over the past year with at least five companies — Dead River Co. and Gulf Oil being the latest — jumping into the business, offering electricity to Maine consumers that’s cheaper than the standard offer available through Bangor Hydro-Electric and Central Maine Power.
The results are clear. The number of CMP residential and small-business customers buying electricity from competitive providers has increased from 14,000 in August 2011 to 155,000 the same month this year.
Bangor Hydro’s customers are also moving toward competitive providers, but not as quickly. Maine Public Service Co. isn’t part of the New England power grid, and so is subject to different market factors and not considered in this article.
The Maine law that deregulated the state’s power industry went into effect March 2000. So what took so long?
Tom Welch, chairman of the Maine Public Utilities Commission, says an “interesting confluence of events,” both national and local, generated the right conditions for Maine’s market to germinate a dozen years after the seed was planted.
One of the main reasons can be traced to a rather infamous energy issue that has received national attention, but likely not considered directly relevant to Maine’s general populace — fracking for shale gas.
In a nutshell, fracking for shale gas has increased the natural gas supply, thus reducing its price for power plants that use it to generate electricity, according to Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.
That’s good news in New England, where gas-fired power plants generate the majority of the region’s electricity. As a result, the wholesale price of electricity in New England tracks the price of natural gas.
The promise of deregulation
Before the restructuring of the state’s power industry in March 2000, Bangor Hydro and CMP had vertical monopolies: They had exclusive service territories, owned the power plants and dams needed to generate the electricity and the transmission infrastructure to deliver it to consumers.
After deregulation, the utility companies sold their power generation assets, but remained in the delivery business. That meant Bangor Hydro, for example, would still deliver electricity to Bangor residents, but those residents were now free to buy the electricity from whatever supplier they chose.
“At the time, everybody thought the phone would be ringing off the hook at dinner time” because of all the electricity providers that were going to be competing for customers, says Eric Bryant, who was involved in deregulation in 2000 as part of Maine’s Office of the Public Advocate, where he still works as senior counsel.
Instead, the phones were silent, leaving many people “scratching our heads,” Bryant says.
A competitive market did form for the largest electricity users, the paper mills and other industrial customers, because providers could make a profit on them from the economies of scale. They were the “low-hanging fruit,” Bryant says.
However, profit margins on residential and small-business customers were so thin that competitive electricity providers didn’t see value in spending the time, money and effort to attract enough small customers to make it worth it.
Maine didn’t force anyone into the competitive market, as other states did in an attempt to spur development of a competitive electricity market — as of 2010, there were 15 states with deregulated electricity markets, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
Maine’s PUC created a “standard offer” as a default option for consumers who didn’t want to choose a competitive provider. However, since no competitive providers materialized for small-scale consumers, the standard offer became the only option.
The standard offer is created by taking a three-year average of the cost of electricity the PUC sources through a competitive bid process on behalf of Maine consumers, and is central to the explanation of why a competitive market has developed in Maine.
Using a three-year average protects Maine consumers from volatility in the wholesale market for electricity, Welch at the PUC says. That system protects consumers when the price of electricity — and, therefore, natural gas — goes up, but it also means they don’t benefit as greatly when electricity prices go down, as they have the past few years.
This has allowed competitive electricity providers, such as Auburn-based Electricity Maine, which launched in the summer of 2011, to buy electricity on the wholesale market and undersell the standard offer.
In the past 14 months, Electricity Maine has signed up 170,000 Maine customers and expanded into New Hampshire, says Kevin Dean, the company’s owner.
Before Electricity Maine launched, “no one had figured out how to make money off small customers who don’t use a lot of electricity,” Bryant at the public advocate’s office says. “My hat’s off to them because they took a risk.”
Electricity Maine’s success created a “certain herd mentality,” says Welch.
Several companies, including Gulf Oil, Dead River Co. and FairPoint Energy, a subsidiary of FairPoint Communications, now sell electricity to Maine consumers, promising savings between 6 and 10 percent below the standard offer. C.N. Brown is selling electricity in New Hampshire and plans to enter Maine’s market soon, according to its website. More than a hundred competitive providers are registered with Maine’s PUC, though the majority are not active in the state. A full list of competitive electricity providers is available on the PUC’s website.
“I think that some of the rush, frankly, is by … people chasing our coattails,” says Dean.
Electricity Maine was hitting its stride as Dead River, which began selling electricity this month, was discussing the addition of electricity supply to its services. Electricity Maine’s success wasn’t the only reason Dead River jumped into the business, but it certainly was noted, says Claudette Townsend, Dead River’s director of new products and services.
“If Electricity Maine is signing up 150,000 customers, [that means] consumers are interested,” she says. “You can’t help but see that.”
Dead River, through it’s subsidiary DR Power, is selling electricity for 6.99 cents per kilowatt hour. The current standard offer rate is 7.44 cents per kilowatt hour for CMP for residential and small-business customers and 7.13 for similar Bangor Hydro customers, according to the PUC. Depending on how much electricity a customer uses, that could mean anywhere between $2 and $6 a month in savings, Townsend says. “It’s not a lot of money, but every little bit helps,” she says.
DR Power has a few hundred customers so far, and that’s without marketing the new service, Townsend says. “We’re hoping once we do [market the service], it will be a natural fit,” she says.
Fracking, natural gas and Maine’s competitive electricity market
Hydraulic fracturing is the technique in which pressurized liquids are sent into rock formations hundreds of feet below the earth’s surface, releasing and capturing natural gas. This is called shale gas, which is an increasingly important factor in the country’s energy sector.
Shale gas represented less than 1 percent of domestic gas production in the United States in 2000. In 2010, it represented more than 20 percent, according to a report from independent analysis firm Chatham House. The U.S. Energy Information Administration projects that shale gas will account for 46 percent of U.S. gas supply by 2035.
The increased natural gas supply has reduced its price in the United States, and New England, according to Dolan at the New England Power Generators Association.
New England’s gas-fired power plants no longer need to buy natural gas from the Gulf of Mexico or import it from overseas, Dolan says.
“Now it’s just coming from Pennsylvania and Ohio. It’s cheap gas and there’s a huge amount of it,” Dolan says. “Projections say over 100 years worth of new gas supply.”
Welch at Maine’s PUC admits fracking for natural gas, especially in the Marcellus Shale along the Appalachian Basin, has had a significant effect on Maine.
“It is fair to say that, generally speaking, the development of the Marcellus Shale … has had an impact on Maine’s electricity rates probably to the tune of at least a couple hundred million dollars a year in electricity savings,” Welch says. “Pretty big money.”
As natural gas prices have fallen, gas-fired power plants have become the dominant player in New England’s power generation sector. In 2000, gas-fired plants were responsible for 15 percent of the electricity generated in New England, according to ISO New England, the organization that manages the region’s power grid. In 2011, they generated 52 percent of the region’s electricity.
The falling natural gas prices have spurred development of competitive electricity markets in New Hampshire and Connecticut, as well as Maine. — Vermont is the only state in the region that has not restructured its electricity industry.
“Ten years ago it was a different world. We relied on oil and coal for power generation,” Dolan says. “Now after we’ve switched to natural gas we’ve seen lower costs and tremendous reductions in emissions. It’s been a great story for New England in that regard. It’s not often you get the best of both worlds, but this is one of them.”
Is the competitive market here to stay?
The development of a competitive market for electricity has begun what Welch calls “a virtuous circle” and could eventually lead to the standard offer’s demise.
“In the long term there will be fewer and fewer people on the standard offer, and that will make the standard offer more difficult to supply,” Welch says, which in turn will make it more expensive for the standard-offer provider. “And that will push more people into the competitive market.”
But there are ways the PUC could help foster the future of Maine’s competitive market, says Dean at Electricity Maine.
For one, while the standard offer’s three-year average helps competitive providers when wholesale electricity prices are low, it will also hurt them if the market shifts and wholesale electricity prices increase.
“If you truly want a competitive market, you need to make the standard offer provider … more accurately reflect near-term market pricing,” Dean says. “If you don’t, what you do is create waves of opportunities, so you see competitive markets come and go.”
Welch says Dean’s point is well taken and is sure the PUC will reassess how best to handle the standard offer now that a competitive market has developed.
“I think any time you have gained additional real-world experience with a market — in this case the residential market for electricity — it always makes sense to take a look at whether the rules you established before you had that experience still make sense,” Welch says.
For now, though, Welch, who was chairman of the PUC when deregulation occurred, is just happy to see a competitive market develop in Maine, even if 12 years later than expected.



Fracking is a great way to get gas out of the ground, sadly as we’ve seen time and time again it’s also a horrific way to pollute ground water for centuries. Is that something we’re willing to pass on to our children? I thought folks cared about the legacy they’re leaving behind? What will a bottle of water cost after a hundred years of pumping chemicals into the ground? Looking at the bright side if it starts getting cold in your house, all you’ll have to do is turn on the tap water and light er up.
Would you please tell us when and where all these “times” happened. Now don’t just make it up, be specific please. Thank you.
Sure, I’ll help you out here, but I’m doubtful that you’re going to listen or even bother to read. I sense you’re one of those folks who will be trying to tell us for the next 50 years that fracking, like smoking doesn’t harm anyone or anything. Honestly, do you really think modern people with access to information will be stupid enough to swallow another obvious cover-up by the rich and greedy to make a profit at any cost? Gosh, you folks have a low opinion of the rest of us. It will be your undoing.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fracking-linked-water-contamination-federal-agency
here we go again, so when someone gets rich off using human waste to generate energy are you going to complain that those people are the rish and greedy trying to make profit? Oh my, you’re doin well genie selling your veggies, you evil greedy individual.
Just Google Pennsylvania Fracking lawsuit.
Your comments will fall on deaf Repub ears unless you are rich.
oops….Republicans, because they disagree aren’t listening. Of course all republicans are rich! Buy a clue, I”m Repbulican, I went to school, I work in Social services, and I’m far from rich……….
I didn’t say all republicans were rich. Y said they, as a party, only listen to the rich. Grats on going to school and working in Social Services. I hope you are there to make a difference for the good of all.
Once the natural gas glut has evaporated the demand will continue to exist while the supply diminishes. This will result in higher prices and an economy hooked on natural gas. Tapping less favorable sites and the likely advent of stricter regulations will further rise the price of natural gas while making coal as the source of “last resort”. New Brunswick (Canada) has natural gas reserves being considered for drilling and there is a willing pipeline system into New England. This might be the short-term solution to economic growth with a gradual and more entrenched dependence on fossil fuel. Most renewable energy sources (except for hydro) will not be able to compete with energy from fossil fuels. It is one more example of kicking the can down the road but, in this case, the container is filled with oil.
there are immense natural gas reserves in the U.S. to whine about the beginning of us taking advantage of this opportunity makes me wonder what would make you happy,the fantasy of wind and solar or people going without power and rolling blackouts coupled with outrageous prices? The enviro’s will not be happy until they have destroyed domestic energy production and then cast blame the oil companies for our dependence on foreign oil.
It’s going to take at least a year or 2 before we consumers in northern Maine have a chance to sign up for electricity with Dead River. I guess frackin’ ain’t happenin’ up here.
it will eventually
Read. As far as I know there are no NG reserves in N. Maine. You’re dependent on pipelining like the rest of us.
The current supply of Natural Gas in Maine is largly coming from Sable Island off Nova Scotia. No fracking being done there yet. It is a large reserve first discovered by Standard Oil of New York.
I have always thought that Hydro over charges compaired to when I lived in Mass.
The Federal government banned the most effective way to produce power…and the cheapest (long term) Guess why Bangor Hydro is named as it is?
We have 6 major rivers in the State of Maine. ONE Hoover style dam would produce more killowatts than the State of Maine would ever need in any of our lifetimes.
So pick a river, my choice would be the Kennebec because of its location. but I’m open to other choices.
But please don’t say that natural gas is cheap power. We had the cheapest power and the most dependable and we allowed the government to outlaw it. Fifty years after all the people are gone from this planet, the Hoover will still be producing electricity. Las Vegas will still have lights.
Has to be a balanced approach using all available sources of energy until so-called “alternatives” are cost effective. Yes, it comes down to cost. The green-speak from so many misses the mark in so many ways. Wind, sun & water power are ancient technologies. The inefficiency involved w/all of them are not cost effective.
The U.S. is home to some of the largest fossil fuel reserves in the world. Use it now. Provide incentives for development of alternative energy. In a capitalistic system whoever comes up w/the magic bullet, wins… for everyone.
Why should the U.S. try to “save the planet” by suppressing our own freedoms (& freedom does include economics) when so many other countries aren’t playing by the same rules?
Use it or lose it.
Solar and wind are now cost competitive. The produces and distributors of gas and oil are not paying for the environmental damages there products are costing.
This is the only planet I will ever live on. Keeping it fit for habitation is not a violation of my freedoms. The reality is that the USA is the only country that has a political party that claims climate change is a hoax while the competing party is to timid to speak up.
Thanks Mike.
This is such a hypocritical “argument. The policies that you espouse hit the poorest
people the most. Hard to see how that fact fits in w/your narrative. Typical.
FTR, I actually use solar, wind, geothermal, & wood energy sources personally. For that
matter, my homestead is as off the grid as one can get. I doubt that many of you folks pontificating about “climate change” (again an improper usage of that phrase & redefinition that arose when the term “global warming” was discredited) could say the same. I walk it, not just talk it. I also understand that we should use the
resources available to us now. That is indeed the problem w/the hysteria from the proponents of the mass destruction being “caused” by man. It’s hypocritical as in do as I say, not as I do. Once y’all figure out what was going on w/”climate change” during the Mesozoic era (Triassic, Jurassic, & Cretaceous periods for you dinosaur aficionados,) get back to me.
Even better, once you come up w/a viable & economic alternative to fossil fuels, drive it to the market & you’ll be a very rich man while helping the entire world. Now that
sounds like a worthy goal for someone as concerned as you claim to be about “the
only planet you will ever live on.”
we need to reduce our use…….if not for the greenie platform, but just because it is the right thing to do. Reduce use, reduce cost and extend the lif eof the reerves we have.
100 years from now, when everyone is using solar they will claim that we are draining the sun’s energy!
There ya go! After they got done with this country, all the industry would be in China so we don’t have to worry about depleteing our resources.
maybe th greenies will move to China to combat problems there! That way we can live in peace.
AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Hydraulic fracturing is the technique in which pressurized liquids are sent into rock formations hundreds of feet below the earth’s surface, releasing and capturing natural gas. This is called shale gas, which is an increasingly important factor in the country’s energy sector.”
And – it leaves huge sink holes, dry wells, poisioned water, homes with NO VALUE. Thank you for fracking and all it has given me –
Repubs don’t care about any of those things. All they care about is raping the land for all it’s worth. They also care about all the bennies from the Koch Bros who own most of the pipelines in this country.
Sad thing is it not only the Republicans its also the Democrats that are guilty to.
Agreed
Republicans don’t care about the land? Buy a clue…..do you know all of them? Do you know that for sure.
What part of the Repub Platform calls for conservation? Maybe I missed it.
BS!
come for a visit – I and the University agree that its the Natural Gas company that is to blame. So stop showing how ignorant you are, open your ears and eyes to the facts.
You and what university?
You and your bogus university are clearly in the minority. Of all the studies out there none that I have read put the blame on those conducting the fracking.
Who is clearly to blame are the eco-terrorist, bunny huggers, tree huggers, loony toons gang who will do and say anything to further their anti everything cause, and it is obvious you, and a very few others, have bought into it.
As for your name calling, it is further testament to your demeanor.
Its not name calling – its fact stating.
You conveniently, and not surprisingly, ignored the question.
But to your last comment, you stated no facts, just your own one sided opinion, which is not worthy of any further comment.
Again I am not name calling – because when it comes to you its fact stating. As far as Universities – UNB, UPEI,UofM, STU, Mount Alison are just to name a few that all have profrssionsal that have proved and agree with what has happened to my land and the land that surounds me.
SO now where are your false facts!
Again, dont bother speading your one sided opinion – when in fact the facts are agains you.
Notning wrong with hugging bunnies-just ask Hugh. LOL
Actually You need to go to Picher Oklahoma, and look at a place where there were no tree-huggers, no eco-terrorists (we would have hung them out near the plant) and we the workers were the loony-toons gang which ignored what poisoning the air water and even dirt was doing to us, our children and our cherished way of life. We sold out our families and our place on the planet for what (looking back) were low paying jobs.
You don’t see zinc mines much in the US anymore, and we make very few wet cell batteries. I’m happy to pay more for the product knowing that at least in this area, my countrymen are not being sacrificed for a battery which costs $5 more than it did when we made them in Oklahoma.
Picher is an empty husk now. last time I was there (in the 90’s) there were only seven homes occupied in a town that once claimed 5,000 residents. Cardin (next town down the road) once had 1,000 residents now it is empty.
If that isn’t enough to bother you, please know also that your tax dollars paid to buy us all out, knock down our homes, and pay for our on-going health needs related to this little disaster.
Thank you.
That’s your whole post? Really? Not even going to say which part of H-I-Y-M’s post you disagree with? AND that got seven ‘likes’ so far?
It’s that kind of knee-jerk, defensive, and devoid-of-content post that makes me believe that the pro-frackers aren’t even willing to consider the fact that there might be a downside to this magical source of power generation.
Ho Hum.
Cutting edge, decisive thinking. Just brilliant!
Thy are like that SOuth Park episode, where every greenie buys a low emission vehicle and a smog cloud develops! Bend over insert head in butt……now, I know a lot of grenies and many are fine people, why? They don’t have egos. They do what they can. I even have adopted some of the stuff they’ve taught me! But get off this because you don’t agree thus you arne’t listening attitude!
Someone who agrees with you…….is right on, yet someone who holds a different opinion than you, such as myself, is labelled a “whackjob”? I hear that Walmart is having a sale on personalities, perhaps you should go shopping?
Instead of debating the nature of his comment, and explaining your point of view, you just simply insult those that think differently. So……back at ya!
Fracking is an environmental disaster. The cost of natural gas will rise to he same price level as oil. This is a short term phenomenon.
Efficiency and making the switch to renewables is the way to go. Why are we sending our energy dollars out of state. Why?
fracking is also responsible for a lot of earthquakes all over the country on top of polluting ground water it would not surprise me to learn it was the cause of the earthquake in maine last week
I think the earth quake was the result of all the hot air floating around!
You are a liar.
frack it
Que the right wing drill baby drill nuts that don’t believe in global warming or evolution or anything that requires the use of intelligence or common sense and who wont be happy till thier greed and ignorance has destroyed the entire world
And shame on the BDN for not addressing the harmful consequences of fracking in the article. It reads more like a press release from the the PUC and the energy companies.
There are no harmful consequences to fracking. You have to have a good imagination to come up with any. Any detriments to fracking are far outweighed by the benefits.
pumping the waste back into the earth.what could go wrong?
think again…http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/07/fracking-earthquake-conne_n_1752414.html
Unless it’s your drinking water they are crappin in.
That’s what was said when off shore oil drilling began. Who do you think pays for spills such as the Exxon Valdez and the more frequent Gulf spill?……. It’s certainly not going to be Exxon or BP….because just guess where they are going to pass those costs down? Where do you think CMP and others have passed down their failed or less needed or costly plans?…..the rate payers! Natural gas? with thousands and thousands of lines and fault points, digging up streets and avenues…….when something goes wrong….? Whose going to pay?……the rate payers. How far do you go when weighing detriments to benefits? Why not go with something natural, and proven safe……such as hydro. There are many ways to turn dynamos for a generator……cracking the oceans crust is delving into a world in which an interest wants to get rich and not caring about consequences. We’ve seen this…….we are dependent upon it, it’s oil, a man name Drake from Pa., figured out how to mine it,…..the rest is history. And not surprisingly, many of these oil interest are quickly buying into this “cheaper fuel”……guess what’s gonna happen next, the same people that are pulling the strings, will continue to pull the strings. They will play their little games, and get rich doing it.
How much electrcity do you use? Do you drive a car? Keep complaining, come on.
14 posts on this article alone and so far you haven’t garnered 1 single ‘Like.’
Maybe, just maybe, you are listening to voices in you head. Fracking is bad. Nothing else in your argument even begins to refute that fact, just a lot of re-direction which you confuse with debating. Hmmn? Where have I seen that style and logic before?
I did not expect likes nor do I care about likes. My point in a nutshell is simply that you people are great aren’t pointing out what is wrong/bad. Where are the solutions? I hear that windpower can bad, fracking is bad, hydro is bad and drilling is bad. I”m all for conservation/alternative energy. However, I do not see anything but complaining regarding all forms of energy production. Secondly, the “pointing finger” behavior is sickening. It is the Republicans, it is the Democrats……… it is Society. I do not have solutions.
perhaps all that “complaining”‘ has something to back it up??
Here is the solution : reduce your (our) energy use .PERIOD . Mainer reduced their reliance upon oil by 50% , in the last 5 years . That is astounding!!! That isn’t chump change. And it wasn’t hard to do . How did we do it ? INSULATION!!! Pretty simple and pretty cheap.
Solution #2—an energy code for all new housing . That could reduce reliance upon oil and all other energy sources by 75%!! This isn’t rocket science . WE know how to do it . We did it back in the 80’s. We had an energy code back in the 80’s . I was lucky enough to buy a house built under that energy code. I use 1/4 the oil of the average Mainer and have for the last 20 + years keeping $$ in g my pocket instead of putting it in EXXONS pocket.
I use less than a tank of oil AND the energy code is even tighter now,then when my house was built . I could invest another $600 in insulation and be as close to oil free as you can get.The solution is easy . it’s the the will that is weak
All this drilling and fracking ?? IT goes over seas to make more MONEY .It doesn’t stay here at home to reduce the costs. You all are being played for the fool by the oil companies, politicians and speculators.
DEMAND is down here at home and world wide. The price of a barrel of oil is LOW at $90 a barrell It’s the same price it was in Oct 2012 . That should be NO more then $2.50 a gal at the pump .. so why is it $3.89? Because you all are fools . The last time the price at the punp was 3.89, a barrell of oil cost close to $140 a barrell . It is $90 a barrell now So why is it $3.89 at the pump?? SPECULATORS/GREED?$$$’s
Thank you. I appreciate someone finally providing solutions. I have a new house so it is very well insulated. I’m not for paying anyone over seas a penny if I can help it. I use about 350 gallons a winte for a 1200SF house. Even less since we installed the wood stove as a back up.
I obviously use electricity……I’m posting aren’t I. Currently, my electric bills are around 80 bucks a month, and we have an electric heater. Our power comes from a hydro dam about 100 miles north.. I do drive a car, a couple of them. What does driving a car have to do with your assertion? It’s not an electric car, and it’s not any of your business. Anything else? How much do you spend on fossil fuels? Are you going to be the first in line when a gas line blows? and be prepared to have your town fix it when it happens?
Shes’s right, there are no harmful consequences other than melanomas, lighting your water on fire, dead livestock, not being able to sell your house and land after the industry has turned it into Chernobyl.
But it’s cheap…just like Walmart.
Live it up America.
Really Bonny? “No harmful consequences to fracking”? Do you ever honestly and objectively consider any opinion other than your own? Do you even have your “own” opinion? Every post you make is indistinguishable from boilerplate Tea Party talking points. Are you compensated for your parroting? Is there decent money to be made in the occupation of regressive trolling? If so, I guess the Republicans really are job creators!!
Mississippi residents (where the air smells like someone farted) is going to lecture us about the enviornmental benefits of natural gas?
Thanks no!
tell that to those who have had their water source permanantly contaminated.
And if those chemicals that are used in Fracking, happen to get into your drinking water, you will be the first to cry and scream at the govt. for allowing Fracking………..perhaps, you have not studied enough about the consequences of Fracking. Water is needed to live. Just saying.
Please tell that to my friends in PA who can no longer drink their well water. I’m sure they’ll agree.
Have you ever been to the fracking areas in the Pa/New York border? do you understand the difference between ground water layers and gas shale layers? Have you ever seen a completed gas shale well?…..actually they look like a pipe in a tilled field barely taking up 10′ square.
Educate your self before posting again.
Well said. May I suggest the Utica Observer Dispatch in Utica NY. On their Header, there is a section about Fracking. People should read it.
Yes, Whit Richardson, of the BDN Staff needs a discussion with his editor. Label “opinion” as such, and not have reporters work on this. It want to see them out investigating claims, not making them.
You know, journalism?
have you eliminated the use of electricity from you life? Do you run 100% off solar? Do you ride your bike to work and on daily errands? stop your preaching. Come back when you’re 100% green. God, I”m so tired of the crying and complaining from you people.
ok. I’m close to 100% green. My house is considered green. What do you want to know? How to do it?? It’s easy and can be cheap. No bells and whistles or even solar needed. I have MORE money in my pocket because of it .
At most I use one tank of gas a month It’s actually just over half a tank a month.I live close to work ( I could save even more and take the bus but I like the convenience of the car) I plan errands and consolidate them. And own a 10 years old car. I use less then a tank of oil annually and I am warm. I use 400kwh of electricity a month and still could reduce that by hanging my clothes BUT I prefer wrinkle free. Hot water is on electric. I could reduce that electric use more by going tankless, but right now, the cost of the investment, isn’t worth it. I do it all thru something called conservation– reducing my use of energy. It’s really not that all that hard or cost;y to do.
Now if we could get an American company to run the electric companies we’d be all set. I switched suppliers and my bill dropped 25%. And all that money isn’t going to Canada.
Canada is in America.
So is Mexico, Chile, Panama, and Argentina, but people still say “America” like the United States has exclusive rights to the name.
Yup, I figgered some butt head woulda picked up on thet. I ain’t the brightest bulb in the chandeleer. Thanks fer teachin me thet. Shoulda said this here United States.
Greenie Democrats need to run the companies
The recent earthquakes in Dallas, Texas are attributed to the waste water injection component of the fracking operation. There are, as you know, seismic areas in Maine. I don’t think the waste water injection has, as yet, been solved by anyone.
If we truly had a “competetive free market”, as the author suggests I should be able to buy all the electricity I want from Quebec Hydro, which is cheaper than natural gas………but I can’t do that thanks to our wonderful legislature, and a couple of members in particular, who derive much of their income from the wind monstrosity that has infested our mountaintops!
There is nothing keeping HydroQuebec from selling electricity in Maine.
Is that so?
No, really I’m interested, because we had the lines (in 1997 during the ice storm) and the capability to buy Canadian power instead I was without power for 14 days while eating my breakfast in the nice warm fully powered restaurant on Campobello Island. Angus was governor back then, and he wouldn’t even seize (and use) the three chip burning plants which remained idle all during the crisis.
Don’t forget to thank Angus for that on election day.
can’t use the hydro…..messes up the pawning of the fish and natural river flow………….evil!
It is.
Wave goodbye to the way life should be…
Hair spray and cow farts are probably just as much responsible for the hole in the ozone as car emissions, get over it and move on.
If you want to save the Earth, switch your power to Wind Power.. Do it this week, Only one phone call. otherwise we will be underwater within 30 years.. Please buy Wind power as your supply today. help save the polar bears and stop the fracking today. buy wind power. call power company tomorrow….. You can save the earth one person at a time… God Speed and God bless America and wind power.
but all those trees???? they must die for windpower, we can’t have that. What about the birds, they might hit the turbine blades! On my, cant have that. No windpower (being sarcastic)
Wind is not cost competitive (www.windwatch.org), solar is not cost competitive (ever hear of Solyndra?). With disapproval & disbelief, I speak for many when I write that paying for necessarily skyrocketing (or is that racketering?) utility rates to fund ‘green’ energy as mandated by the scocialist in the white house does nothing but worsen this country & it’s courtesy of the most corrupt backhanded administration this country has ever seen. Do your research.
Yeah. The “Traditional” power sources were cheap. remember the electric companies saying “Nuclear power will be too inexpensive to meter? and the coal folks saying “we can make it clean and green?” hows that working out in the exaust pipe of the nation where one in four people will die of cancer?
Thanks I’m quite satisfied with my electric bill as it is.
I just wish the friendly meter man was back.
But turn their brains off when fracking is used to expand rock layers in geothermal installations or when 40 acres of forest is clear cut for their beloved wind farms.
for crying aloud…..you don’t want wind power because trees are cut, you don’t want geothermal, you don’t want hydro because of the fish, you don’t want nuclaer, you don’t want gas….. is your plan to use the methane from our crap? Oh wait, can’t do that because fecal matter produces waste products! What is your solution?
here’s something to educate you…http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/07/fracking-earthquake-conne_n_1752414.html
I was. Until I converted to natural gas and watched my heating bill drop more than 2/3’s last year.
I went from$1200 a year to under 400 for heat and water. In a 1900 4bedroom and raised the temp from 65 to 72. I insulated first then went for the fuel change. The house disclosure said the old owners used 1200 gallons a year. First thing I did was a double layer of R30 in the attic and went from there. I still have two walls to reinsulate but its now reasonable. The cost of NG makes it a good choice for anyone that can get it.
Maybe we could all have a windmill on our roofs, and batteries in our cellars to store energy. Of course it must use stimulus money from China’s we will have to borrow. We could all put a sale on top of our cars and wait for a wind to go to town to shop for food.
I think people over react from the Mike Moore’s and the EPA. Wait until after the election and see what the EPA has in store for the USA.
I saw a family on “60 Minutes” that had gas coming out of their kitchen sink faucet thanks to fracking……they could actually ignite the gas…….free gas along with your water….what a bargain ….count me in…..oh please put the “No Smoking” signs on the door….thank you.
Fracking is killing people not only the environment.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/21/scientists-link-deep-well_n_1997629.html
less peope, less demand on resources…you know the Republicans are behind that! (I”m being sarcastic)
Well yowsa etc and the 48 that like your comment of your comment. Here is some news for you. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/21/scientists-link-deep-well_n_1997629.html
Well Yowsa strikes again with more brilliance. Here is an update on your comment if you dare.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/21/scientists-link-deep-well_n_1997629.html
Your using the huffingtonpost as a reference. What a joke.
For the uneducated, unenlightened, and poo pooer’s.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/21/scientists-link-deep-well_n_1997629.html
I do not approve of anything the Huffington post puts out there.. I do not give them any legitimacy. . To make them credible one must first have to approve of them.. If you do not vadidate them, they no long matter.. Good by Huffington Post.
Yes, stay with Fox.
never watch it, don’t have cable, don’t need someone telling me what to think. how is msnbc doing there for ya..
I don’t own a tv.
In one short comment you, push, have perfectly revealed the essence of the regressive mind. The day you and your troglodyte fellow travelers shuffle off this mortal coil cannot come soon enough.
Mr Yowsa and your 48 friends need to see the movie “Gasland” Get it, you will love it. It is very cool when the guy puts a match under his running faucet and the water explodes. Some other great scenes too.
Gasland was nothing more than a propaganda movie created by environmentalist wackos. It’s not worth the film it’s printed on much less watching.
http://toryaardvark.com/2011/09/23/fracking-the-lies-of-the-gasland-documentary/
And…..yet again you clearly demonstrate your inability to discuss the issue, or any issue for that matter, and continue your trivial digs and obvious inability to state your point of view. Why don’t you surprise someone and actually discuss something pertinent and worth reading?
Drill Baby Drill! Frack away!Better yet, let’s give 2B to Brazil so we can become their best customer. I think we should support Hugo and the arab world even more. How about we just import all of our natural gas and not use our own resoursces. After all, now that we know we have enough to make us completely energy independant, why would we ever want to do that?
Well one reason might be we did that before.
I know everyone in this Nation has a fifteen minute memory span, but lets move back to the 1940s when we decided that the Arabs were charging too much for their $2.70 a barrel crude so we elected to pump our own reserves almost dry to undercut them by .06 cents.
Now has anyone on this site been offered “cheap US natural gas” or am I mistaken in the belief that the U.S. prices its gas the same way all producing countries do, by selling on the world market at global prices.
SO that means that if we get our gas by ruining western Pennsylvania’s water supply we loose money, because we will have to pay to repair that damage someday.
This time let us not be shortsighted and foolish. Lets make a plan which has a longer shelf-life that the saying on a bumper sticker.
Greenies…take note! This is the way to present a differing view. Great point tux
You mean we couldn’t produce enough to make the products abundant enough to lower prices…like everything else that is produced in large quantities and when there becomes a larger amount of something…don’t prices drop? Also, who said Penn will all of sudden have it’s water supply ruined? Obama? What about all the birds that will die with windmills and all those poor trees that will be cut? What about the poor filed mouse who will be disturbed when wind power is built? What about the poor fish in the ocean and all the people who will have to look at the wind driven fields of metal? We are going to go back to dirty water, slime everywhere. Yeah…right! This isn’t the 1940’s and technology to provide safeguards is a tad more advanced wouldn’t you think? So then we should just leave the most abundant natural resources anywhere right where they are and wait till solar and wind becomes king? I don’t think I will hold my breath.
Sen. Doug Thomas, is that you?
This article is brought to you by the natural gas industry. Thanks for thinking short term again Mainers. We appreciate your business.
On Vinalhaven we have 3 industrial sized GE turbines which are producing our electricity. Ever since the turbines were installed, our electrical rates have been going steadily UP. Our transmission costs have stayed the same, but as the price of natural gas has decreased we have been unable to take advantage of the lower mainland prices for electricity. Fox Islands Wind signed a sweat heart deal with our electrical island Coop to buy all of our island electricity from Fox Islands Wind, the turbine developer. How can this be legal? Consequently the entire island is paying 10 to 13 cents a KWH for our ENERGY portion of our bill rather than mainland prices which are about 7 cents a KWH. Our transmission costs on top of that high energy rate send our electrical prices through the roof!
This is just ONE example of how Vinalhaven’s experience is a lesson in the HIGH cost of wind power!
You mean there are greedy rich people involved in the greenie movement! Dang Republicans have assimilated into the greenie Democrat world! Hotile take over….since they are trying to make money, they must be Republican.
Get America fracking ,Send Obama packing! Vote Romney .
CAUTION
I have been reading complaints about switching over to these new electricity companies. From what i understand:
If you fall behind on your electricity bills or get a huge bill one month[s] and want to send in partial payment to avoid having your electricity shut off—–you may find a problem.
I have CMP. Say i switched to ‘Electricity company A’ . If i have a $700 bill one month and ‘think’, i will send $200 to ‘Electricity company A’ so they dont shut off my electricity. What happens is my partial payment still goes to CMP first [although i dont have them no more] and they take their share, and the leftover of my partial payment goes to ‘Electricity company A” to avoid interruption. Here is the problem: CMP can take ALL of your partial payment and send $0.00 to ‘Electricity company A’ . ‘ Electricity company A’ could than say they got $0.00 of your partial payment, then shut your electrify off.
There is something to be said about keeping your busines with a “locl” company Although CMP is nw owned ot of State, at least the company is still in Maine.
Gasland..you know that was proven not to be actual…right..
Ahhh, life in the cheap lane. Anxious about clean water? No worries, mate, we’ve got it all figured out! Geological disturbance? No sweat, our engineers have that one in the bag! Well, sure, there are risks anytime we mess with the old home planet, but in this case it’s someone else’s worry – for us it’s win-win, and it is all about us – isn’t it?
Of course, I am willing to pay a little MORE for my electricity, if it comes from non-polluting renewable sources like hydro. (search: Maine Green Power Program, $3.75 a month)
Fracking is a sucker’s bet.
You ruin the water supply and cheap electricity seems suddenly to not matter very much…
Cue Yowsa-an anti-enviro whackjob preaching how fracking is a gift from some god!
Careful Yowsa! He might pick a cave next to the one that you, apparently, have been living in all your life.
Isn’t there some middle ground between living in a cave, and living in a cesspool of chemical waste?
you’ve got to be fracking kidding.
Sitting here reading this news story, nice and warm at 72
while outside is -10. Thanks to my natural gas furnace and I will see -45F
might see -55 outside before winter ends, and yet my furnace will keep me warm.
My gas bill during the coldest time of the year is roughly 120 dollars a month.
And yet Northern Maine where my house sits, I have to fork over 250 dollars for
50 gallons of kero and keep my house at 60 during the day. Also I worked in natural
gas fields in the past, heck I got a natural gas well about a mile from here.
My tap water is fine, I drink it before and continue today. New Brunswick have
NG, a number of states have NG and they are economy booming. So I have a
question for the Mainers, Why haven’t we check our ground. Are we afraid of
change? It creates will jobs short term and long term.
Sitting here reading this news story, nice and warm at 72
while outside is -10. Thanks to my natural gas furnace and I will see -45F
might see -55 outside before winter ends, and yet my furnace will keep me warm.
My gas bill during the coldest time of the year is roughly 120 dollars a month.
And yet Northern Maine where my house sits, I have to fork over 250 dollars for
50 gallons of kero and keep my house at 60 during the day. Also I worked in natural
gas fields in the past, heck I got a natural gas well about a mile from here.
My tap water is fine, I drink it before and continue today. New Brunswick have
NG, a number of states have NG and they are economy booming. So I have a
question for the Mainers, Why haven’t we check our ground. Are we afraid of
change? It creates will jobs short term and long term.
If the true cost of fracking was to be incorporated into the market price of natural gas, ,natural gas might not be so attractive. What is missing in the real cost of fracking? The cost of global warming from the escape of methane during production, ruined water supplies and earthquakes from high pressure and toxic fluids, and lowered real estate values from the drilling.
Once again energy companies are allowed to price their product below the real cost and so we end up with an environment that will eventually require trillions of dollars to fix.
Luckily the moon bats here have no say in the matter…The rest of the world moves on…Nobody is buying the green crap the left is selling anymore…Don’t go away mad , just go away…
Three cheers for fracking. Although it’s nothing new. Fracking has been around for over 50 years. The term only became known to the general public when environmentalist wackos discovered that oil/gas companies were using the method to get more energy out of the ground and helping to keep prices down. Remember that affordable energy is the environmentalist worst nightmare.
If you want to learn about hydraulic fracturing and other related processes, check out the link I have provided….knowledge not hysteria.
Cheers!
http://www.chk.com/Media/Educational-Library/Fact-Sheets/Pages/default.aspx