BANGOR, Maine — The one-year contract between Eastern Maine Medical Center and its roughly 850 unionized nurses expired at midnight Thursday and nurses now are gearing up for “informational picketing” at three locations later this month.
Contract provisions remain in place, however, and talks with a federal mediator are expected to resume in a week or so, a hospital official said.
The one-year contract that expired was ratified last May after eight months of often contentious negotiations. In addition to marathon contract talks, there was picketing, a strike, a lockout and threats of a second strike and lockout.
Among the issues resolved in that agreement were the transfers of nurses among departments, the workload for charge nurses and health benefits. Not addressed were staffing ratios, which nurses said at the time was a major sticking point.
Though the one-year pact provided a period of stability, tensions between hospital officials and unionized nurses have flared up again during this round of talks, which began eight weeks ago.
During a bargaining session Thursday — the 13th since this round of contract talks began — EMMC presented the union with its “last, best, final offer,” Greg Howat, the hospital’s chief negotiator and vice president of human resources, said Friday afternoon.
The union left Thursday’s session without responding to the offer and there hasn’t been any communication between the two groups since — with the exception of a formal notice that the union plans to conduct 24-hour-long informational pickets.
The pickets are scheduled to begin at midnight Tuesday, May 14, and run to midnight the next day at EMMC and the Union Street Healthcare Mall, both in Bangor, and the Lafayette Family Cancer Center in Brewer, Howat said, citing the notice.
Vanessa Sylvester, a spokeswoman for the Maine State Nurses Association, declined to comment beyond what was said in the statement. She said more information will be made available during a news conference set for 3 p.m. Monday at the Bangor Motor Inn. She said there is no talk of a strike at this point.
At issue again is staffing levels, officials from the Maine State Nurses Association/National Nurses United said in a statement issued Friday afternoon.
In the statement, the nurses maintain that improved staffing and patient safety “needs to be part of this contract settlement.”
“When a nurse has 16 hours of work to complete in a 12-hour span of time, they do not have the luxury to pick up tomorrow what gets left off today,” Jess Mellott, a registered nurse at EMMC and a member of the union’s negotiating team, said.
“This is the struggle our nurses face on a day-to-day basis,” she said. “As patients come to us sicker, with more needs, and as responsibilities increase, staffing levels remain inadequate and uncertain. We are all hopeful that management will want to set another bargaining date and address these issues.”
In a statement of its own, EMMC said that in an effort to negotiate a new contract, the hospital’s management “proposed very few changes to the current contract in order to minimize barriers to a speedy agreement.”
The statement noted that EMMC’s focus remains on patient care.
“We are disappointed that we were unable to reach an agreement before the contract expired,” EMMC President and CEO Deborah Carey Johnson, a registered nurse, said. “However, while we wait for word from the union, all employees will remain focused on providing care to the communities we serve.”
Among the sticking points for the hospital is the union’s “rather significant demand for wage increases,” Howat said.
Howat said the nurses will receive a 3 percent pay increase if and when they ratify the contract they were offered Thursday.
“They’re demanding 5 percent,” he said, adding that the union also is seeking improved benefits, incentive pay for being called in to work when not scheduled and an additional step increase for nurses who have been employed for 28 years or more.
With regard to staffing levels, he said EMMC over the past year added 32 positions, most of them in the emergency, critical care and telemetry departments, and has approval for 22 “overhire” positions, or staffers above the typical authorized number who can step in when a department experiences turnover, is faced with patients requiring acute care and similar situations.
“We have very good staffing numbers here. Our patients receive quality care every day,” he said.
Another major issue the nurses cited Friday is security in the emergency department.
“In the past year, there have been attacks on nurses and medical center staff. At the request of [the union], EMMC did make the emergency department a locked unit, however there are more security measures that need to be carried out for the safety of staff, patients and their families,” they said.
Howat said that the hospital has gone to great lengths to beef up security in the emergency department. Measures include around-the-clock security, the addition of a Bangor police officer from 8 p.m. to 2 a.m. daily, 21 security cameras and metal detecting wands to ensure patients and visitors don’t bring weapons or other dangerous items into the hospital.
The hospital, he added, also is looking into purchasing a metal detector.



No ONE in the health care industry is paid enough. Nurses, C.N.A’s, stand strong
Picketing a cancer center? Classy.
Go volunteer there and see what they see. Then form an opinion.
I395 is right…cancer patients have to go through enough with diagnosis, chemo, radiation, end of life decisions, etc…without having to cross a picket line to receive care. And don’t forget that some of those patients are/were union members too. Would you have them not cross the line to receive care to show “solidarity”?
Having an informational picket doesn’t mean they don’t want cancer patients crossing the picket line for treatment. An informational picket is just that, they want to let people know what they are fighting for. I for one would join them on the picket line. Haven’t any of you learned anything about the 1% vs the 99 %. We’re in a race to the bottom in this country. Wake up people.
I’m thinking you’ve had no up close experience with cancer, they let my sister go for years with a tumor and only did something when it started spreading. Yeah it was in her records, they just kept saying “bad pictures”. By the way all Bangor Hospitals, Dover, Lincoln, Ellsworth , Bar Harbor and Blue Hill’s cancer care is under the control of EMMC. If you want another opinion you won’t get it unless you go far,far away, which might save your life.
Hope you’re not blaming the nurses for this. Sounds like a Doctor thing to me.
I’m questioning nurses ethics with patients. I see them look at the records, when the doctor comes in, they look at the same pages. Do nurses not understand what they are reading? I think they do.
Years ago I go to a doctor, the nurse draws blood then the nurse left, the doctor came in, sent me to the waiting room. The nurse comes in and asks what I’m still doing there. I told her the doctor wanted to do some other stuff and she said the blood test would show everything they needed to know and then some. She said it would be padding the bill and wasting my money. So I left. (Don’t know who you were but you are an angel in my opinion and all nurses should be like you).
The only way to keep doctors honest is for the nurses to be honest. If they know information is being witheld they are just as guilty for the patients future health problems and death. If they know one test will work just fine without others it’s criminally padding a bill.
If even one nurse had told my sister that it wasn’t “bad pictures” on her mammograms but they were watching a tumorous cell growing she wouldn’t be going through the last 10 years of torture, disfigurement , pain, crippling treatments, financially devestiation, constant fear of “will I die today” demotion at her job. If they had removed that cell years ago she wouldn’t have gotten cancer period. No one told her they were just think of the millions they would make off her before she died.
it’s about the poor up here…..getting rid of them is easy if you just don’t treat them….had a friend who was told he had “arthritis” and was treated with physical therapy for nine months….then they told him “we made a mistake….you have lymphoma”….he was dead in three months even though a simple blood test would have diagnosed him….he was a paranoid schizophrenic and had been on ssi for years….guess they wanted to get him off the dole….makes you sick.
Unfortunately, you are wrong. I just don’t think subjecting very sick people to politics and picketing is classy. These are sick people who are fighting for their lives … Picket for your higher wages someplace else,
I’m wrong? Not informing someone they could have a possible future problem until it turns into one is right?
You don’t think withholding information is any less classy?
Your wrong I’m not for it at all.
Sounds like you are a nurse. HA!
No not even close. No, I drive truck sometimes, I’m also self employed and will work as a clerk or anything it takes to support my family but will never do anything with the politics called medical care.
Yes, please stand strong … demand your 5% increase so that all our healthcare costs can go up.
Your healthcare cost is going up because LePug is cutting Mainecare and the hospitals will have to eat that cost and pass it on! Don’t blame the nurses. Go to any hospital and watch and see what they have to put up with. It would make a grown man cry. They are worth anything they get!
Are you the designated MSNA poster today? And what about the CNA’s, MA’s, Transporters, Lab Techs, Unit Secretary, etc…they don’t put up with anything?
At least LePage worked to pay down most of the $500 Million Baldacci had stiffed Maine hospitals over his “plan” to balance Maine’s budget.
We were told by President Obama that the cost of our healthcare would start going down by now. It has not. It has in fact accelerated up nationally in the last year. LePage has nothing to do with that.
tell all your administrators and overpaid supervisors to take a pay cut…..that is where the money is going ….into their pockets……salaries in the hundred thousands to administer a hospital and supervise staff….bet they won’t give up any of their pay to improve patient care…..
Health care is going up nationwide. Not just in the state of Maine. Get you head out of the sand!
Not. I’ve seen what the so called “nurses” put up with. NOTHING! All they do is sit on their fat butts and issuse orders to others.
How do you know you are seeing nurses? Seriously, EMMC made the nurses stop wearing their nurse pins, changed the old “candy striper” uniforms to the same as nurses all to give the impression that there are more nurses. Why? Because the management knows there are not enough nurses.
The big blue RN flag on their badges is a pretty good indicator
Thank you 4Reals
I stand corrected. I didn’t know they had allowed them to wear the pins again. See? Liberal equals able to learn.
I too consider myself a liberal….but I know being liberal doesn’t always mean you side with the perceived underdog….sometimes that underdog is just a fat greedy pig in disguise using the avenues the true liberal has set up for justice to gain what they want….
And I thought our health care costs went up because insurance companies like Aetna, WellPoint and Cigna boasted a 250 percent return over the past decade. Silly me. It wasn’t corporate profits, it was nurses’ wages! Thanks for clarifying.
hmmm … safety and staffing at EMMC … haven’t heard a word of this since … oh, about a year ago! Funny how these issues go away when the nurses have a contract. Classic script for the union playbook. Here we go again.
Spot on.
Let me see? You are against safety and staffing? The nurses do this every day, every day since the last contract. Now talk to me about hating safety and staffing in a hospital.
bad link
Not against it at all. Only against the union saying that there are safety and staffing concerns at EMMC when the contract comes up. The rest of the time, everything is peachy. Makes you think they are trying to mask the $$$ demands with safety.
It’s been the same story every time contract time comes for decades. You would think we’d have all died from EMMC ineptitude by now.
Funny how a 5% raise and additional paid time after their shifts end make patients safer….does anyone really believe this is about patient safety anymore? Do the nurses actually believe the union cares about patient safety over collecting dues?
Stand strong and don’t ever let any company “break” your union!! I support everything that you all stand for in the safety and treatment of patients. If the CEO can make a million, you all can make more than what you do now!!
What “patient safety” issues are you referring to? We haven’t heard ANYTHING about “patient safety” issues since last years negotiation time.
Perhaps safety means telling people that they are not being recalled for “bad mammogram pictures” but they are watching tumors grow and waiting for it to spread and turn to cancer and not being allowed to inform the patient so it can be nipped early and save lives?
Agreed. Fat butts looking for another pay raise while the rest of us struggle to get by.
Funny thing about these Union Workers, Has anyone not learned any lessons of the US Postal Service? They are working themselves out of a job with how they demanded pay increases and benefits to the point where the USPS is going out of business. 5% pay increase? Must be nice, we in the Military got a 1.6% increase. Some should be happy to even have a job. Careful what you wish for.
So what, you were in the military? Life long free health care, benefits, wearing the flag. Go ahead and forget that these are the kind of people and the rights our military is supposed to protect.
You left out free college.
They earn every credit hour with blood.
No argument there! I know from experience.
Let’s see….getting shot = 1.6%, being puked on = 3% hmmm? Seems to me our military is underpaid.
Not free lifetime medical benefits. They have to be paid for by your insurance or you if you have no insurance. My spouse was in the military and went to Togus to get medical care. He was told that he had health insurance so he could go elsewhere or pay for services. Either way they were doing nothing for free.
Hell of a way to treat people who served this country.
the postal employees union has allowed the employees to rape the system….they, like most federal employees get huge wages and wonderful benefits for minimal work…they abuse the system on our tax dollars….most large post offices had game rooms at one time where employees spent a few hours a shift playing cards on federal pay to make sure they got their 40 hours and overtime every week ….postmen and women spent the last few hours of their shift sitting in a truck to make their 40 hours and overtime….these abuses have gone on for years and while they are now cracking down it has ruined what was a good secure job for anyone who was willing to give as good as they get on the job. (Like my mother who worked honestly for the Post Office for 25 years and told me of these abuses.)
Union workers are fighting for their patients and a living wage. Things like staffing ratios may not sound like much to you, but if you ended up sick , on a medical floor with high patient to nursing ratios….you could end up sicker or worse.
taneka I have listened to people talk about a “living wage” for the past 2-3 years. But no one seems to want to put a “dollar” value on the amount. In your opinion what is a “living wage” in Maine?
a living wage to these union employees is one where they can play keep up with the Jones…..they don’t understand that the term “living wage” is meant for those of us who can’t meet the basics of life on what we are payed…..they think it means wages that allow you to have a new car every four years and your nails done once a week……
It should be enough to let one parent stay home with kids, to send the same kids to college or trade school. Exactly how little are you willing to settle for? P.S. The new car every four years used to be an American expectation, not a dream.
I managed to send all my kids to college and I didn’t make what nurses made THEN…both my husband and I worked but that is how it has been for years for most American families….we worked opposite shifts so one of us would always be with our children…like I said it’s not about a “living wage”…it is about greed.
that ‘s where working together comes in handy….when we were short staff where i worked we all pulled together to get the job done….unfortunately the different levels of nursing don’t work well together in this state for some reason…it’s like a caste system..RN’s won’t do LPN or CNA work…LPN’s won’t do CNA work…it’s like being a real nurse which includes all levels of nursing care from washing a butt or doing a temp is beneath them…..don’t think this is what Florence Nightingale had in mind……
Less work, more pay. Typical union workers. Actually I have met many nurses that I would rather pay then the doctor they worked for but I have met many nurses that ain’t worth their name tags.
Not for paper workers…its been more work no raise in years.
don’t even start me on the paper mill union.
14 points of fascism
9 & 10
. Power of corporations protected
Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.
Please be blunt, I would hate to start an argument over a mis-communication.
The CEO of Eastern Maine Healthcare is Michelle Hood, and, thanks to then Gov. Baldacci, she was appointed to the Board of Trustees of the Univ. of Maine System, where she opposes ANY payraises for any employees who earn under $100,000, especially poorly paid custodians, secretaries, etc. Michelle earned over $600,000 in mere base pay as of two years ago, surely more since then. She has equal contempt for nurses and educators.
Apply for her job.
Is her fat butt up to apply for?
CEO of Eastern Maine Healthcare is Michelle Hood earns “over $600,000 in mere base pay as of two years ago”. EMMC is a 411 bed facility.
CEO of Redington-Fairview General Hospital’s Richard Willett earned “nearly $550,000. And that’s after a pay cut. The year before, he earned $693,000.” Redington-Fairview General Hospital is a 25 bed facility. http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2012/03/18/health/study-small-hospital-ceos-in-maine-earn-230k-330k-with-a-550k-exception/
Someone is either underpaid or overpaid and I am not sure which.
The last time the nurses tried this. they were easily covered by outside help..remember?? You didnt know it but that was a test for emmc. If they decide to bust the union they wont have any problem staffing the hospital ..they proved it. Watch out!!!! the union is going to take you down a road which you cant return…..
Exactly right.
Said the Fat Greedy CEO with 11 out of 12 cookies. “Look out, that Union guy wants a piece of the cookie that is left”.
Obviously the Union isn’t thinking this through. They came out of things weaker last year. I can’t see how they can believe the same tactics can make them stronger this time.
If it was not for the unions the workers would be making $5 per hr. and management $10 per hr. But because of unions most of us can make a living.
I don’t belong to a union and no one in my company belongs to a union and I make more than $10.00 per hour and I am not management. How is that possible without a union?
Because the unions are responsible for many of the workers right’s you enjoy today-40 hour weeks, time and a half for overtime, and many other protections that even non union workers have.
clifford would you care to answer the question asked or are you just going to repeat the union line?
It is fact that wherever unions are prevalent the standard of living is raised for the whole community. 7 out of 10 of the top ten right to work states mostly in the south are basically ratholes for the standard of living based on a number of factors. Even government contracts have to pay the prevailing wage for an area whether or not a union is involved though the union may have set the standard for that wage. If you don’t believe it go do your own research.
If it is a “fact” then you will not have any difficulty providing the proof to support the fact. By proof I mean a documented source that supports the claim you made. And before you say I need to do YOUR research, let me explain. When I make a claim I will provide the source that supports that claim. I will not and do not do it for other posters. You make the claim, you provide the proof.
Like I said if you don’t believe it go do your OWN research. I in FACT did do just that. Its really not that hard to do, besides it basically not hard to even infer that if a state has a higher prevalent wage the standard of living is going to be higher. My disclaimer is that I am not a union official or even promoting it, I am just telling it like it is. I am sure that if you can read this you can look up the history of the union struggle to see how it progressed.
I am sure he is too lazy or afraid to to the research.
http://www.epi.org/publication/datazone_rtw_index/
http://www.ehow.com/list_7607737_disadvantages-right-work-states.html
http://www.epi.org/publication/bp299/
hhttp://articles.southbendtribune.com/2011-12-04/news/30476213_1_rtw-wages-higher-coststtp://newsinfo.nd.edu/news/28233-notre-dame-expert-right-to-work-lowers-wages/
To lazy hardly….afraid not in your life am I afraid. The links you provided are addressed above.
Cliff Ol’ Boy I don’t do other peoples research. If you want to make a claim and not back up the claim I will likely ask for your source. If you don’t like that question fine. No problem but I will very likely ask it because to many people post BS and exp3ct people to believe it just because it is posted.
Well JD, I don’t expect you to believe anything-nor do I care. I would expect with your high education certification it would have been easy for you to check it out but apparently I was wrong about that. My original research done some time ago was actually used for another purpose but it pretty much holds true across the board. Basically, just compare a map of the Right to Work States with state rankings for poverty levels and what you find is it consistantly shows a correlation between RTW and higher poverty level rankings. Though poverty levels may not be a full picture of the “quality of life ” per say (from my prior research) that also stays consistent as I have found. And by the way, I explicitly stated to do your own research to extract your own conclusions. Below are the first two sites I googled to cross reference as being credible enough for our argument. It took me about 2 minutes.
Cross referencing these two sites (not the ones I originally used) actually shows 7 out of the top 10 states that are RTW have more people below the poverty level in the US. Out of the top 25 states below the poverty line, 14 are RTW. Not too much opinion on these sites-just THE FACTS.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2675254/posts
http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank34.html
You said it, so live with it. Unless you have facts to disprove the loss of wages in RTW states. Stifle it. Live with your own advice.
Mighty hostile Narsbars…I though liberals were the “open minded” ones? Guess I heard wrong.
Let us try it again. You made statements you could not back up. You have no facts, so live with it. If telling you to live up to what you asked of others is hostile, then you have an issue with truth, not with me.
What statements have I made Narsbars? I have asked questions and I have called into question links like EPI as being objective when the Board of Directors is loaded with Union Presidents and they claim to be “non -partisan”.
As I posted last night…the nurses will get what the nurses will get. But to only waive the “patient safety flag”at contract time is phoney. If there are “patient safety” issues at EMMC the nurses have a DUTY to make it know then, not at contract time.
I posted last year that if the want the people to believe them and gain support they should go public with specific issues and examples of “patient safety” being compromissed. I see they haven’t and decieded to use their patients as bargaining chips once again. I heard many excuses why they couldn’t i.e. HIPAA – not an issue, they weren’t going public with anything that would identify who the patient was.
See I just don’t but the nurses claims that “patient safety” is paramount when we, the public only hear about it when contract time rolls around.
Right to work causes lower pay, lower standards of living. So here are your facts.
http://www.epi.org/publication/datazone_rtw_index/
http://www.ehow.com/list_7607737_disadvantages-right-work-states.html
http://www.epi.org/publication/bp299/
hhttp://articles.southbendtribune.com/2011-12-04/news/30476213_1_rtw-wages-higher-coststtp://newsinfo.nd.edu/news/28233-notre-dame-expert-right-to-work-lowers-wages/
I didn’t spend too much time on your links because there is plainly too much opinion. Even in a link where it had statistics they were incomplete so we don’t know what they mean. For instance:
from the Economic policy institute:
“The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower
in RTW states,
using the full complement of control variables in our
regression model. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive pensions
at this lower rate, 3.8 million fewer workers nationally would have
pensions.”
What the EPI fails to tell you is that the number of pensions provided solely by employers has dropped all over the country and most part on their way to extinction. Normally a pension is for people that are going to be at the same job for a lifetime. Pensions have been replaced by portable 401k’s which are owned by the individual with employer & employee contributions.
http://20somethingfinance.com/pensions-vs-401ks-why-you-should-care-that-pensions-are-going-extinct/
My point is that everything has a context and when you know that your links are merely opinion.
You asked for links as if they don’t exist. Then you don’t read them, make more false claims about the content, and bring up something that is outside of the discussion.
Let me be clear. You made a false claim, you were proved wrong, and you don’t have the guts to admit it.
I made no claims. I was merely pointing out it was possible that you may not understand the links you provided. The EPI link was provided by you. I was mentioning one of their data points that was an obvious distortion. Are there others? (Btw I think you thought I was JD, obviously I’m not.)
Sorry for the mix up. The idea of multiple links is to cross check the sources and the facts. Some people only listen to fox or some left wing side. I like to check the facts, weigh the evidence and make a decision. The vast majority of the evidence anecdotal and factual proves that RTW costs everyone money except the CEOs and the rich.
Please take a look at JD’s post of who the people who run the EPI are. It certainly makes sense now why someone with just a passing knowledge of the subject matter can so easily debunk their points.
OK lets take you links one at a time.
Link #1
EPI = Economic Policy Institute whose Board of Directors number 30. Of those 30 members we find:
The President of the American Federation of Teachers,
The President of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees,
The former of Chair of the National Labor Relations Board,
The Senior Civil Rights Advisor at the Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs at the U.S. Department of Labor,
The current President and a previous Vice President of United Auto Workers,
The President of Service Employees International Union,
The International President of United Food and Commercial Workers International Union,
The President for the United Steelworkers of America (Side Note: a weekly guest of the Ed Schultz radio program heard locally on The Pulse),
The CEO of Green for All, a leading advocate for a clean-energy economy,
The President in the history of the Communications Workers of America’s union,
The President for the International Association of Machinists,
The President of the AFL-CIO.
I don’t see a great deal of diversity or opposing opinions represented on this board to call themselves “non-partisan”
Link #2
“ehow money”
The “article” references four (4) sources:
Reference #1 – National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation
Reference #2 – Is a AFL-CIO one (1) paragraph statement. Not research
Reference #3 – Concluding paragraph says this “In the key metrics of economic growth, right-to-work states have a
distinct advantage when it comes to unemployment rates, income growth,
population increases and jobs.”
Reference #4 – Is an article published by the NYTimes “Company Accused of Firing Over Facebook Post”
Link #3
Another EPI article
Link #4 – Broken, doesn’t go anywhere.
A lot of effort attacking a point of view with no proof of your own. The original point was “show me the links”. There are hundreds more out there and you have probably looked and come away unwilling to post anything but the MHPC who anyone know is a tool.
Who would have thought that eliminating workers’ rights, and enabling free riders, while attacking collective bargaining would result in employers paying less?
I guess that the right loves free markets only until it’s pointed out to them that labor is also a commodity that’s for sale.
Right to work only allows free riders as no one in the United states pays forced dues.
Actually Narsbars if you really read the links you provided you would see that Link #2 use an article/opinion piece that says just the opposite of what you have been saying all say.
The Right-to-Work Advantage in Economic Growth: A Look at Past Performance http://www.mackinac.org/9422Read. It is very interesting.
I said I looked at all viewpoints. Liberals have an open mind and do not drool and bark when the word Union is used.
They do when the word profit appears, or individual responsibility appears, or individual liberty appears. It has been a long time since liberals had an open mind.
No “drool” or “bark” here. The nurses will get what the nurses get. Unfortunately, the rest of the work force at EMMC will pay the price for those raises the nurses get.
For 95% of people it isn’t possible. Read your history and learn.
Here is some reading material for you http://www.bls.gov/ro1/bangor.pdf (updated May 3, 2012) this sheet is produced by the U.S. Department of Labor and shows the Median annual wages in Bangor for the MSA.
Please pay special attention to the section identified as “Median annual wages in Bangor”.
History or hype? Seems you mean the latter, for a objective look at History would show that almost all Industries where the consumer has a choice, Union’s fold. I said “almost” because I couldn’t think of a private sector example where Unions have survived, let alone thrived , when a choice is given but I guess there might be one o two examples out their,probably teamsters. Success despite Unions, not due to them .
Unions raise the wages of a few and the cost for all, seems the overall benefit is tilted.
Even during the union organizing heyday of the 1930’s union wages indeed went up. non-union unemployment rates went up and non-union wages fell.
What I am saying nation wide over the years the unions are what have made the wages what they are. Thats why you made big money know.
I doubt that my job was ever a union job.
The best way to avoid these types of issues is to make yourself indispensable in your workplace through hard work, efficiency, and effectiveness. Or you can also threaten harm to your patients and walk around State St. with a sign like a whiny biddy.
I would choose the former, but that’s just me.
3% raise across the board. All other employees are limited to 0 to 3% max. I guess the nurses are special again. That figures.
No No….not this again!
Here we go again!!! Ugh.
I know life is a compromise, but why bother with all of this when you are just going to buckle under anyway? You will get one or two little things but the real issues will be ignored- they always are.
Knuckle under.
Buckle up.
Will they be breaking out the two-year-old red T-shirts and signs this time, or did they loan them to the Michigan Union whose photos of the very same T-shirts and signs and awaiting their return?
“No, we’re not a big-time, National Union… we’re just little LOCAL folks making our case”…
I’d put those signs away for now. Even the most sympathetic of us to the needs of the nurses are tired of picketing when contract time arrives. Lot’s of people out there have it a whole lot harder! If it’s that bad become a teacher, postal worker, construction worker,active military volunteer, woods worker, or mill emoployee…… or day have it tougher than you folks?
Ripleys believe it or not BDN issue.
Folks your arguments do not hold the pennies their worth. Our dollar is not worth a plug nickel! 3% of a plug nickel is equal to 2 shelled peanuts. To the quark who wrote about Postal Service and employees pay I say: the price of a first class stamp in 1941 was so many cents, postal wages were about $2,00 @ hour, today a first class stamp cost .45 cents and the wage of the average Postal employee has increased proportionally due to inflation nothing else.
How to manage a Hospital compared to the Postal Service is like comparing a peach to a pumpkin. Health care nationwide can be compared to the Postal Service though, yes both are in trouble, but neither will be fixed without collapsing first. If you are so frustrated about wages of labor go out and rake your lawn again, I bet I can find a reason for you to do it. Plant a garden, its spring, if you don’t you may be begging for food in the fall.
Quarks have their place in life, read about them in science fiction magazines.
Med cart is heading your way.
The haters hear the word Union and have been trained to howl like hyenas. They don’t know why but if they hear Union it must be bad. United States of America= Union. The south lost that anti union issue a long time ago.
Quarks are not science fiction.
://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/particles/quark.html
A wonderful nurse I worked with for years described nursing as a “calling” similar to what nuns experience when taking up the habit…..a good nurse knows she will give more of herself than what she is payed for a lot of the time….just a job requirement….worrying about your pay is not about patient care….staffing is but like any job people don’t come in when they are sick or want to goof off….it’s not the employer’s fault, it’s the fault of your fellow employees….talk to them and work to get rid of your slackers…oh yeah…you have a union and it protects those slackers….unions don’t belong in nursing cause it involves taking care of humans not building cars, making shoes, or any of the other myriad of jobs where there is a good chance of employer misconduct and employees therefor need protection…..go on strike as a steel worker and a building doesn’t get built….go on strike as a nurse and people die…..if you don’t understand that giving more than you get is a part of nursing then you don’t belong in nursing…..
You sound like you are a prime candidate for being an abused spouse or being an abuser.
“They asked for it”.
Listen to yourself. They should give up everything, take less pay, serve me in my time of need, and self sacrifice will make them happy.
What a crock. You are saying that since the work they do is so vital, so life saving, they should have to take any garbage offered to them because we can’t do without them.
Please tell me you have some clue how ignorant and selfish that outlook is. A lot of other people reading your comment will not have missed it.
well they did ask for it dear…..nursing requires lots of empathy…the ability to put yourself in another’s place and act accordingly (whether it wears you out or not)….most people today confuse sympathy with empathy and that is how they end up in the wrong job….sympathy only goes so far….then, nursing is a lucrative business today….years ago when I worked as a CNA , the pay was low and the work very hard….you stayed cause you liked the job and helping people, the smiles and appreciation you received from the patients was your reward…those that couldn’t hack it because they were working on sympathy or because they just needed a job ended up moving on to jobs other than the nursing field…nowadays nursing attracts people because of the pay and you end up with a lot of people who aren’t the right fit or temperament for the trials and tribulations of nursing…it isn’t just passing a few pills you know….some of the aspects of nursing are very unpleasant for the caregiver but empathy in a good nurse allows her/him to know it is probably much more unpleasant for the patient.
and as for my being abused or an abuser…I haven’t been nasty at all…but you have….so I must conclude that you are an abusive selfish person…..probably one of those nurses that is going to go on strike now….one who won’t do someone else’s patient cause they are not on your assignment (meanwhile the patient suffers) or who won’t do CNA work cause they won’t get their hands dirty (meanwhile the patient suffers)….etc.etc.etc……
I am not a nurse. I could be a patient and don’t want my nurse dropping from fatigue. You have recommended that they just shut up and take it to paraphrase your statement. You say people will die without them, but they shouldn’t be able to earn a raise or influence staffing levels based on professional training and experience. Those statements make no sense being together.
One comment made here says there is not a good chance of employer abuse. You are kidding right?
Unions protect rights, they don’t protect slackers. Try turning the channel off fox at least once a week.
I beg to differ on the slackers and unions, happens in the unionized places all the time….I knew someone who used the union to torment his employer and there was nothing the employer could do about it….he was protected by his union rep over and over again….by the way, nurses won’t “drop from exhaustion ” if the don’t get a pay raise…as for staffing levels, having worked as a CNA where I dealt with picking up the slack for frequent no shows and also in the office of a large nursing home where I handled payroll and timekeeping, I can tell you that any staffing problems were usually caused by the call in abusers…people who got their paycheck on payday and then called in the rest of the week….State laws require a certain level of staffing and any facility that staffs below those levels on a regular basis would be dealt with…what I suspect is happening at EMMC is unreliable staff and nursing personnel who are too lazy or unorganized to get their jobs done….and as I stated before they did ask to do this kind of work…it is not a predictable workload every day, one day might be an easy day with no crisis patients or one day may be all crisis patients….perhaps the nursing staff needs to look for jobs in nursing where the workload is more predictable..ie: doctor’s office, small nursing home, visiting nurse and leave the hospital nursing to those that can handle it….
So “you knew someone” you worked at a nursing home, not EMMC. Does not make for a valid basis for judgement.
So to summarize, you don’t work there, only claim to know someone, and have no facts. The nurses do work there, have presented professional opinions. Part of the Union’s position is that the state staffing levels are too low and were put in to server profit, not patients.
Hitler never said…………………..
We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their
leaders in prison. We must reduce workers’ salaries and take away their
right to strike.
It seems like many on this site would think this is a good quote. Thanks to good Mainers that overall that opinion is not supported.
P.S. He did close down every trade Union and confiscate their property and money, except those where he appointed the leadership.
if state staffing levels are too low they need to picket the state….it is not the patients fault….get the state reps to sponsor a bill….and if it were truly about staffing levels they wouldn’t be asking for raises……they get payed enough…….and where is your “valid basis for judgement” coming from if you have no nursing backround at all….simply being a liberal doesn’t make you an expert on injustice…..Unions don’t belong in nursing….I think you just like to argue without any backup dear….you may think it makes you look smart but it doesn’t…your misplaced anger is all that shows……
Atleast they have a job that is equal to their skills. I talked to a guy at Walmart yesterday and he was working pt stocking shelves. Oh he has a degree in some type of engineering. He doesnt want to move but can see the writing on the wall.
The trouble with nursing is that one minute they want to be blue collar union workers….and they next they want to be “professionals” with useless college degrees. I worked at EMMC for 18 years and thought the pay adequate. On the other hand, EMH execs make WAY too much, and there are WAY to many non-clinical “nurses” at EMMC. Typical of non-profit hospitals, EMH has spun off it’s profitable entities and left EMMC in perpetual red ink. To my way of thinking, that’s fraud. Bottom line is both sides are driven by greed…..so don’t expect anything but more squabbling. And the more media coverage they get, the more the nurses will tie up traffic on State St and the more EMC will squander the public’s money.
Stop pissing and moaning
I agree!
What about the HEAD NURSE i know in EMMC emergency room that smokes alot of weed in her off time.
Your point being?
What she does in her off time is nobody’s business but her own. Some doctors are heavy drinkers.
I prefer both my surgeon and proctologist have a steady hand.
So, what is your point?
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Nothing wrong with weed in your off time anymore than wine, beer or spirits. In fact, I’d say I’d rather have a pothead nurse than an alcoholic nurse.
“Nothing wrong with weed” with the exception that it is an illegal substance and “wine, beer or spirits” are not.
Is it possible, just possible, in light of the damning health and social evidence against alcohol, and the dearth of similar evidence against marijuana, that the lawmakers have chosen the wrong intoxicant to make illegal?
But until that changes the substance is still illegal.
but wine and spirits should be illegal and pot shouldn’t…..
It defies logic, in the age of Obamacare, that the union would be demanding a 5% pay hike. As a retired RN, I understand just how difficult the job is and how hard these nurses work. Having said that, they need to take a look at what’s happening around them in a tanking economy which, despite Obama’s rosy pronouncements of improvement, continues to circle the drain. As a nurse, I would never feel right about getting a 5% pay raise while there are literally millions of people who have received NO raise in pay or, worse, lost their jobs. Furthermore, the nation’s hospitals are constantly being squeezed by a hostile regulatory environment and dwindling reimbursement under Medicare and Medicaid. I think they ought to accept the 3% and be happy to have well-paying jobs.
The rich have gotten 250% raises by taking out of the employees. Your post is propaganda for fox. The end result of your logic is that since no one has gotten a raise, no one should get a raise.
Works well for the share holder, not so well to buy groceries.
I have a question for an Union worker. Isn’t an Union boss basically a CEO of a corporation? They have a work force, they collect millions for little work and they have major political power. The only difference I see is an union worker is paying the union boss.
No. They are elected by the membership. The board of directors hires a CEO and even the stockholders can not fire one in most cases. They don’t get millions. Many Union presidents only get what they would have earned at their last Union job. Some are paid better, way better, but even Andy Stern of the SEIU only earned 5 to 10% of a low paid Wall St. CEO.
So, you have your answer. Educate yourself.
Thank you for the response. I did look up Andy Sterns salary and in 2006 it appeared he earn/claimed $229,960 and did have a pay increase during his final years. Mary Kay Henry the new President of the SEIU made $290,334 in 2011. What shock me the most is that those aren’t the highest paid Union President. Gerald McEntee of AFSCME maded $512,369 and Randi Weigarten of AFT made $493,859 in 2011.
Also found this on Wikipedia (not the best source, I know) that shows where your money is going. ”
During the years of Stern’s leadership, the SEIU funneled vast amounts of financing to the Democratic Party and its candidates, far outnumbering the contributions of other unions during the last two election cycles. SEIU contributed $65 million to the 2004 presidential campaign of John Kerry.[28] The union spent another $85 million on Democratic candidates in 2008; $60 million going toward the election of President Barack Obama,[29] with a significant chunk of that money funding door-to-door canvassing and other GOTV efforts,[30] as well as voter registration.”
If you can’t see that big time Unions are just as bad as the corporation they claim to fight, then I can’t help you. Just one last thought all that money the Unions gave away was paid by you and your co-workers.
Paid by choice. As I said and you proved (Thank you) even the highest paid Union officers only got 5 to 10 percent of a low paid CEOs salary.
I do believe your Wikipedia reference is accurate, no issue there. So what is the problem with my elected officers donating money to issues that make things better of safer for me?
Union: National Education Association The NEA, representing most of the nation’s teachers, has 31 headquarters officers and employees who earn over $200,000. The president, Dennis
Van Roekel, received $397,721 in salary and benefits.
Union: Service Employees International Union The union has nine headquarters officers and employees who earn over $200,000. The former president, Andy Stern, was paid $306,388 in salary and benefits from the union in 2009.
Union: United Food & Commercial Workers The president, Joseph T. Hansen, received $360,737 in pay and benefits in 2009.
Union: International Brotherhood of Teamsters Eight headquarters officers and employees received more than $200,000 in 2009. The president, James P. Hoffa, was paid $362,869 in pay and benefits.
Union: American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees At union headquarters in Washington, 10 officers and employees receive more than $200,000 a year. Gerald McEntee, who was first elected union president in 1981, was paid
$479,328 in salary and benefits in 2009.
Union: Laborers’ International Union of North America The headquarters in Washington has 18 officers and employees who
earn more than $200,000 a year, including 11 who earn more than
$300,000. Terence O’Sullivan, union president since 2000, received $618,000 in salary and benefits in 2009.
Union: American Federation of Teachers At AFT’s headquarters
in Washington, nine officers and employees earn more than $200,000 a year. Randi Weingarten, who was elected president in 2008, received $428,284 in salary and benefits.
Union: International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
Sixteen of the IBEW’s officers and employees in Washington earned more than $200,000 in 2009. Edwin D. Hill, the union president since 2001, received $375,767 in pay and benefits.
Union: International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers At the union’s Maryland headquarters near Washington, 34 officers and employees earn over $200,000 in salary and benefits. Robert Buffenbarger, who became president in 1997, received $284,975.
Here is the ONLY exception to the above pattern:
Union: United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Implement Workers of America None of the officers or employees at the UAW headquarters in Detroit earn over $200,000 a year. Ronald
Gettelfinger, who resigned as UAW president in 2010, was paid $173,065 in salary and benefits.
Thank you again for proving my point. It appears your research is well done and accurate. I am copying your post to pass on when I tell people that Union leadership only earns a small percentage of what a CEO takes down.
So, you forgot to tell me why I should have a problem with my elected leadership donating money to issues that directly affect my working conditions.
P.S. As we are in Maine, check out the Union salaries paid in Maine to Union presidents, to the boards of directors, and the shop stewards. Tell me how that works for you.
How many screen names are you using NortelNru, Narsbars UnionMaine.Blogspot.C or is it Narsbars?
I will give you extra points for Spin but that fact of the matter is a Union President that earns $397,721 is, according to the OWS movement is part of the problem.
I am certain I can show up with as many as three, as soon as I figure out how to use only one I will. I get automatically logged on and have not figured out how to remove screen names.
I get to vote on his or her salary. and that is about ten times the average employee salary, sweet but not in the 300 to 500 times the average salary many CEOs pull down. Thanks for the spin points, I will be glad to send them back if you can tell me how to delete screen names.
Who at EMMC has gotten a 250% raise? Fox peddles some funky Kool-Aid, but I don’t know what you’ve been drinking. The only rich at EMMC are the docs and maybe a handful of execs who work extremely hard.
I wonder if these nurses have any idea how upsetting it must be for an 80 year old on their way to EMMC for surgery to see a mob of pissed off nurses just outside the hospital campus. Would they take their car to a VIP for new tires and front end work if all of the technicians were standing on the curb with protest signs held high. I doubt it.
Safety is an ongoing and historical problem in nursing. Unless you have worked as a nurse on an understaffed shift and had a very ill patient or TWO tank on you….you have no right to criticize what nurses do. Nurses are in many cases, the only lifeline a patient has to the rest of the caregivers in a Hospital. If nurses have too many patients and too little time, patients suffer the consequences. Shortcuts are necessary, pain meds are late, call buttons are not answered. Some patients fall because nobody came to help them so they tried their best to help themselves. Computer documentation demand way too much time of the nurses and what use to be hands on direct patient care is now “hands on the computer” care. How often have you seen nurses or other caregivers looking at a computer screen instead of you when they are talking to you?
Nursing is a challenging and chaotic job at it’s best and without safe staffiing levels, it cannot be performed optimally. I support the EMMC nurses and the Federal legislation to enact nurse to patient ratios….and if passed, it should end this safe staffing level conversation every time a contract ends.
Kathy with all due respect Nurses experience no more danger than any other profession that deals with sick and injured people.
Well maybe LePage was right about state workers being corrupt. This is proof. These people are pathetic. They took an oath of “First do no harm”. Well it looks like their complaining is doing more harm than good. Don’t like your job go find something else.
They are not state workers. Maybe the left is correct when they say most of the LePage supporters are low information voters. Don’t like being ignorant? Do something about it.
Do you really think you will win over people to your position by insulting them?
How come we only hear about patient safety during contract time? With the exception of Kathy Day RN of course.
Because you only listen when it is contract time. The nurses listen every day.
I don’t believe that is true, so please give me the links to the numerous articles about the poor patient safety at EMMC. Or you could just tell me on here, if you have specific examples.
I will make it easy on you. Nurses deal with patients every day. They have some knowledge about patient safety. If you refuse to listen to the subject matter experts you can’t be reached.
If that is too hard. Call the nurses union and ask them.
There are other people in hospitals that know about pt. safety first hand also and I am not hearing from them either. The last people I would call is the union. The union has it’s own interests, which include building their own organization. What is causing patient safety issues? Staffing, then why are nurses still being downstaffed on a daily basis, while their co-workers on the other floors are incredibly busy? The solution may not be as easy as just hiring more nurses. Maybe there needs to be more nurses aides or more can be done about the extreme amounts of nurse call ins.
LOL…You make the claim that there are “patient safety issues” at EMMC You provide to proof. The ONLY time this topic comes up is at contract time. The nurses have a duty to act if there are “patient safety issues” at EMMC, not use it a a contract negotiation tool.
With respect to security issues. These incidents can happen anywhere in the hospital. NOT just the ED. There are technicians that work alone on weekends and in the evening providing testing for patients in rooms alone with the patient with no security except a call bell. The nurses are in no more danger than any other employee. It is impossible to forsee whether or not a patient or anyone that comes into the hospital is a threat. Stop with the BS. Accept what is fair. The Union wants you to get more so they can get more. This is the way Unions operate. Bring in the replacement nurses, they were alot easier to deal with then most of them there now.
Why do they picket every time it’s contract time. Seems like the union throws a tantrum to put every one on notice…I call B.S. ya spoiled brats.
Corporate America. Keep on screwing the people that make it work.