Gov. Paul LePage blamed wind and solar power for rising energy prices in Maine during his weekly message Saturday morning.
“It is because Maine’s Renewable Portfolio Standard, often referred to as RPS, requires that some of the state’s electricity be generated by expensive ‘renewable’ sources, like wind power and solar,” says LePage.
LePage says Maine’s Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) will increase electricity costs by $145 million.
“Homeowners will pay $85 more per year on their electricity bill and business will pay more than $600 annually,” says LePage – citing a study by the Maine Heritage Policy Center and Beacon Hill Institute. “Industrial users will suffer the most taking on more than $14,000 per year because of the mandate.”
LePage says that will cost the state about 1,000 jobs.
He blamed former Gov. Angus King for instituting the RPS in 1999 and profiting from the policy after he left office. In 2007, King co-founded Independence Wind. The company helped create Record Hill, a 22-turbine, 50-megawatt wind farm in Roxbury.
LePage also tied politics to the cost of heating oil in Maine. “The challenge is, however, that for years, the status quo has been that special interests here in Maine and Capitol Hill dictate which energy sources Mainers pay for and which ones are discriminated against – with no regard to the ratepayer.”
The Governor’s Energy Office reports the average cost of heating oil in Maine is $3.68 per gallon – up 9 cents per gallon from last month.
John Peters, vice president of Downeast Energy, tells the Portland Press Herald that the cost of heating oil is influenced by many factors such as geo-political and world economic events. Jamie Py, president of the Maine Energy Marketers Association, told the Press Herald the price of oil is influenced heavily by commodity speculation in the global oil market.
Text of Oct. 6 radio address:
Hello. This is Governor Paul LePage.
This week heating oil increased by about 10 cents compared to this time last month. At nearly 3 dollars and seventy cents per gallon, many Mainers will experience another tough winter season trying to make ends meet.
As your Governor, I do not want to see anyone left out in the cold. The price of energy is on the rise and it is time elected officials be willing to address the issue both in Augusta and Washington, D.C. Politics should not play a role in heating your home, but it does.
Reducing Maine’s dependency on foreign oil is part of the solution. Every year we use 1.6 billion gallons of petroleum fuels which include oil, propane, diesel, gasoline and kerosene.
While energy efficiency is an important means of reducing energy costs, the greater utilization of more cost effective non-foreign oil sources will be essential to achieve our goal.
Through modest energy reforms, our Administration recognizes clean energy producers like biomass, thermal, and hydro as viable renewable sources. We can ensure all clean energy sources are treated fairly in the market so that costs go down, businesses can flourish, and Mainers have more money in their pockets.
The challenge is, however, that for years, the status quo has been that special interests here in Maine and Capitol Hill dictate which energy sources Mainers pay for and which ones are discriminated against – with no regard to the ratepayer.
Unfortunately, Maine’s renewable energy mandate will raise electricity prices by $145 million and cost Mainers nearly 1000 jobs. It is because Maine’s Renewable Portfolio Standard, often referred to as RPS, requires that some of the state’s electricity be generated by expensive “renewable” sources, like wind power and solar. The problem I have with this methodology is other green energy sources like hydropower are left out of the mix. Hydropower is clean and readily available in Maine. More importantly, it is inexpensive and can save Mainers a lot of money.
A recent report from the Maine Heritage Policy Center and Beacon Hill Institute affirms that Maine’s RPS will raise electricity prices by 8 percent in the next five years. This mandate is an economic barrier that we simply cannot afford; it is hurting Maine families and businesses.
Homeowners will pay $85 more per year on their electricity bill and business will pay more than $600 annually, according to the study. Industrial users will suffer the most taking on more than $14 thousand per year because of the mandate. We are losing business opportunities because of our high energy costs.
So how did this come to fruition? Maine’s first RPS law was established in 1999 under the King Administration. It’s unfortunate that some politicians after leaving office benefitted financially from those policies. Working the system to pad your pockets does not represent Maine values.
President Obama has supported this government welfare by spending $90 billion on programs and policies to green energy projects and failed companies. As Governor Mitt Romney pointed out during this week’s debate, this is billions of dollars that the president should have spent on other reliable energy sources or to support our teachers.
At the height of the presidential election campaign and with critical congressional and state legislative seats up for grab, Mainers must demand honesty and learn more about the people vying for votes.
The media is not looking out for your best interest, so it is up to each individual to do their homework on the issues. Do not be afraid to ask candidate’s tough questions when they knock at your door. And when they assume office, we must hold our elected officials accountable for their actions.
Too many failed policies have affected where we are today, and we cannot afford to continue on this path with so much on the line.
Thank you.



Hi, this is your gov Paulie Parrot. Let me spout more crud from the H.P.C. (the guys who set policy for me)….working the system to pad your pockets does not represent Maine values. That is why more than likely the good people of Maine will give me the boot come next election
He’ll be history, for sure, johny, and until the next election comes, he’ll be a political nonentity. Mainers have had enough of his divisiveness and his total inability to lead, not to mention the embarrassment he continues to be to Maine.
In this article, he speaks of “supporting our teachers.” Hello? See how the buffoon sways w/the wind? One minute he wants to destroy education in Maine and in the next breath (of hot air), he talks of supporting teachers.
Reclaim Maine Vote Democrat 2012
Excellent comment. thank you.
Not unlike Willard “etch a sketch” Rob me. A teapartier, a conservative, a liberal and a libertarian all go into a bar to have a drink. The bartender looks up and says……………Hi Mitt.
Keep Maine impoverished and government dependent in 2012. Vote Democrat.
you got that right maine will be hurt the most from liberals i guess they are glutants for punishment dont even know when they get beat up
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Uh, lemme take a not-so-wild guess, you’re a
“teacher” correct?
“The mediocre teacher tells. The good teacher
explains. The superior teacher demonstrates. The great teacher inspires.”
William Arthur Ward
& you?
You obviously do not “teach”
math. Judging by several of the comments, Maine
could use some competent math teachers. The financial model is broken &
Y’all are still trying to make 2+2 = What exactly?
I don’t teach, but I do read – and a range of viewpoints. What I’m reading about Climate Change is truly frightening and no one is listening/doing anything – not Romney, not Obama, not Senators of both parties nor Congressman of both parties nor State Legislatures (and especially the ones with the Tea Party govs), nor pundits on Fox or MSNBC, nor many print journalists, and on and on.
The oceans are warming and methane is being released. The permafrost is melting and methane is being released. That is very, very bad for humans and all other species on this earth. The Arctic Sea Ice is disappearing, the Greenland glaciers are getting smaller (glaciers everywhere are getting smaller and we desperately need glaciers). The ocean coral is dying and with it a lot of fish species. On and on.
We humans will live another couple hundred of years I expect, but it won’t be fun. So many other serious concerns don’t concern me at all anymore because we really don’t have much time left.
No one has been smart enough AND brave enough politically to do the necessary things to stop it. And from everything I’ve read in the past six months, we are beyond the tipping point.
The babies being born today – overpopulation is another major factor in our demise – will not thank us. LePage is just another stooge politician dancing to the right wing billionaires. And those people – the ones who think they never have enough – will soon have nothing, just like the rest of us.
Yeah, we know the drill – we’re all going to die of global warming. Sea levels to rise by thousands of feet, hurricanes that encompass the entire eastern seaboard, and one flea-bitten polar bear paddling across a tropical Arctic Ocean. Woe is us.
Read about methane. It’ll blow your socks off – so to speak. I truly would love for someone to reassure me. No one wants to think that we are beyond the tipping point. I have a daughter. I want the best possible world for her to live in. But environmentally speaking, I believe we’re going down fast. You can disagree. It doesn’t change the scientific facts.
I totally agree with you. I have grandchildren and great grandchildren. I would like to see something left of this world for them to live in. I have a feeling that LePage and the gang from the Heritage Policy Center don’t give a rat’s furry butt about what happens to our kids.
America needs to lead with a Manhattan Project scale…..but the money would surely be blocked by those who do not wish to find our way out of the destruction that comes from oil and tracking. Countries are lining up to take advantage of an ice-free Arctic summer and many industries will be lining their pockets quite soon. Short-term profits will trump long-term problem solving.
And how will it be solved? Is there an answer to that? Even if there is a will to be found by the American people. When half the country believes in creationism and not science, it gets exponentially more concerning.
When the half that thinks they believe in science believes in windmills instead of hydro power it gets geometrically more concerning.
And what about geo-thermal? How does that compare with fracking/gas removal and tar sands? It’s all so water intensive and water usage is being depleted on the earth. (I believe 100% in hydro).
If you;re so worried about your progeny then why aren’t you advocating for clean, reliable, cheap hydro power? Instead the left wants us to rely on the most unreliable, expensive power commercially available. Why???
Why not both? In the future, we all know there’s only one answer to the power problem. We all know it! You can try to push coal or oil or Natural gas, but there is an end to all of them. We need a renewable source of power that doesn’t crap all over our world.
Why insist on pushing an expensive, unreliable alternative when we have a proven, cheap, reliable source available? Any rational examination of the facts show this course of action to be ludicrous.
I said consider more that 1 source. I think right now , hydro is the cheapest source, but i also think wind could be developed into a more valid source also. Europe is developing offshore sites now which, they believe, will supply 40% of their needs by 2020. Why would you want to keep using an antiquated source, such as coal, know the supply is at best limited and will get more expensive as time goes by. Hydro and Wind have no pollutants to degrade the air quality for everyone. The number of asthma cases has increased by 60% in the last 30 years. We need a permanent solution and Natural Gas and Coal are limited in their supply.
You are great at sidestepping the main point that we are net even CONSIDERING hydro in favor of unreliable, expensive wind power so that people like Angus and the Baldacci cronies can line their pockets with tax money. We are refusing to consider the BEST option for clean power because the enviro nuts and their useful idiots don’t really WANT clean, cheap power for Maine. They want to depopulate the state, and the useful idiots who think the only options for power should be unicorn farts and fairy dust are helping them do it.
I have to agree with oldmainer. We are lucky to have major rivers that other states would kill for. And are we building hydro dams? Heck no. Instead the “tree huggers” are cheering as they tear down what few dams we have—all so the fishies will return for them to catch. I hope they like eating fish in the DARK. You build what is efficient, even if it is ONE source. You don’t spend huge amounts of money just to pretend there are other ways. And you don’t put a nation into “brown outs” either, just to punish the people. So burn the oil and coal, until the hydro plants are up and running! Initiate the efficient hyro, until you have enough to replace the coal and oil that you want to eliminate —before you even THINK about getting out the toys to play with wind!
Then be reassured – your daughter will be alright. I’ve read all there is to read about methane and we’re going to be just fine. Stay away from gluten, keep an eye on sunspots, and whatever you do, don’t vote for Joe Biden.
So…ok…..reassure me. How do you make my worries go away? I really would appreciate a counter-argument. I know that this may have been happening for eons and we’re just now being able to gauge it all. Anything else?
Methane is on Saturns moon Titan . I wounder how many dinosaurs are on the moons of Saturn? Methane fossil fuel global warming Hmmmmm I just do not know . What makes ice ages come and go? Doing it long before man . Yes could be global warming . I see no 100% prof. If it warmed up every year for the last 100 years (which it has not) that is only 1/47,000,000th of the time earth has been here . Hmmmm could be cooling off just a split second bump in the pattern .
Yet the liberals continue to tear out every dam that they can possibly destroy. If things are as dire as you are saying then we should be building as many clean, reliable, cheap hydro dams as we can possibly construct. Instead we have the leftists telling us we can use solar and wind. We might as well be counting on fairy dust and unicorn farts to provide our power.
I totally agree with you about hydro. 100%.
That’s fine to talk about “climate change” as
long as you aren’t linking it to the activity of humans. I believe you will
find that ice samples from eleven thousand years ago reveled similar amounts of
CO2 in the air then. And last I knew—there wasn’t much industry eleven
thousand years ago! Climate change happens. There is nothing we can do
sometimes. I believe there was a recent report that said we are at a 20 year
LOW in the US for CO2 production. So it’s not as if what we do is making a
difference.
You must really like living in a state where there is no future for our young. Teachers aren’t the only people living in this state. They are a big part of the problem (poorly educating our youth) and Gov Le PAge has had to courage to address many of these issues. There are many good teachers, but they are working in a system that no longer works. Get with the program Mainegal17, how we educate our youth is changing. Get on board or you’ll be left behind.
Vote Paul LePage 2014.
Parrot or not , what he said about King and his policy to support wind farms at the expense of ratepayers is true. Meanwhile we continue to tear down dams instead of building fishways ! Hydo power burns no fuel ! Liberal or conservative , paying for expensive wind power costs us all.
Liberals have zero common sense when it comes to the effective use of natural resources – especially self sustaining ones.
> Liberals have zero common sense when it comes to the effective use of natural resources – especially self sustaining ones.
Drill, baby, drill ?
Not when you can use O(Other) P(eoples) M(oney) to finance your fantasies.
“O(Other) P(eoples) M(oney)”? I assume that’s a reference to some sort of wingnut joke that none of us normal people are familiar with?
Actually, ONLY liberals have any common sense when it comes to planning for energy needs beyond the next election cycle.
So-called “conservatives” don’t seem interested in conserving much.
By their statements I’d say a good many of them are merely reactionaries, altogether different from conservatives.
when the chamge you seek politically is toward a state of tyranny and human oppression, it is actually YOU sir, who is the reactionary….you’re just too ignorant to understand your own extremist cause
conservation and preservation are NOT one in the same
98% of liberals are preservationists
do some research and get educated….read Muir and Pinchot…..the arguments have lasted over a century and the majority of human beings will still side with Pinchot….Just ask everyone in San Francisco whether or not the like having running water. If the preservationist had his way, they wouldn’t…hell, even Nancy Polosi is in favor of Hetch Hetchy
the liberals quite seriously need to grow up and get to work…
Liberal ideas for energy is to produce the least energy for the highest cost, thereby depopulating their playground.
every ‘sustainable’ system or plan the liberals propose is COMPLETELY unsustainable due to the simple fact that the economic system they propose it within is entirely unsustainable….
this country will look like post-communist Russia in a matter of 20 years and the liberals will STILL be defending their complete policy failures regarding environmental protection
Maybe some people take a longer view about our planet. But no sense caring about holes in our ozone if we won’t be alive to see the harm, right? I mean, I’m POSITIVE some future generation will fix it. Positive.
Leave it to a teacher to believe that hydropower is responsible for holes in the ozone.
Can you read for content, or just to complain? Let go of your ego. Get a sense of humor. And no, you have no sense of humor at all. You have totally misconstrued teacher’s response and have made a satirical comment into a conservative wasteland of kvetching. You are the disapproving parent. Instead of saying grow up, I would say grow younger.
Common American Heritage response. what’s new from then other than such attacks.
There you go again – Ronald said that:)
Then we are on the same page !!!
Do you ever look at your electric bill? If you want to talk about working the system, you really need to do your research regarding Angus King.
My electric bill runs about $70 a month in the summer…….running TWO big a c units. It runs even less in the winter. Whats your point ? And WHEN did I EVER say Im all for King ? I think the guy is a crook…..and pauLIE as well. People bit@*%& about wind mills what are they going to do when everywhere you look are oil pumpers dotting the landscape….complain about that too. Granter we need to find better forms of energy and we need to do it now…..
We “found” it long ago in hydro, but the left won;t allow us to use it. They explicitly excluded it from being classified as a renewable. I wonder why?
Do you like, think much? LePage is exactly right about this issue. Put down the kool-aid glass and try to think for yourself for a change.
Yes he is right about this issue BUT even the sun shines on a dogs butt some days…..M.H.P.C. is where this line of his thinking comes from. ” They” do not want King in office and will slam him every chance and venue they get…..and before you go all hyper on me read my reply to not4us
“Do you like, think much?” Well, it’s rather obvious that you don’t.
We HAD better means of creating energy in Maine . . . for more than 100 years . . . Hydro, and all you greenies had us tear them up for Salmon. The new costs for supporting the Windies will skyrocket the cost of energy even higher, and LePage is absolutely correct. The high cost of energy will send manufacturers and business packing for lower energy prices, and we will lose jobs. Please get your head out of your . . . and look at reality. King forced the RPS laws and then jumped on the free money bandwagon for wind. THOSE ARE FACTS!!!! Those you can’t deny.
Wow ! First time Ive ever been called a “greenie” lol ! And I take it you dont read so well if you did you would have seen where I called King a crook…..Lepage sways with the wind and NEVER has anything to say that dosent come DIRECTLY from the M.H.P.C. and thats a fact YOU cant deny….When Paulie says something on his own its something completely stupid and embarrassing for the people of Maine because the WORLD sees him as a typical Mainer ……and nothing is farther from the truth
He’s right .
The left hate it even more when Gov. LePage is right. So here comes the hate.
Rather than hate, let’s use reason, reference and argument. For example, even members of the Heritage Foundation note that Romney’s 90 billion claim about Obama and green energy is just spin. As reported by the Houston Chronicle:
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While the $90 billion figure exists in a portion of Obama’s stimulus plan, it’s subject to interpretation. And Romney was wrong about the proportion of businesses that failed.
“I think there’s a lot of truth to what he said and I think there’s ways to say that these statements come with certain caveats,” said Nick Loris, energy policy analyst for the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.
For example, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act did provide for $90 billion in grants, loan guarantees and tax incentives to support a “clean energy economy,” with funds for projects including high-speed trains, electric grid modernization, and nuclear plants.
But much of the money will be spent over years, if
it’s used at all, Loris said.
The Energy Department says it has offered $34.5 billion in loans and guarantees so far, with the largest – $8.3 billion – going to a nuclear plant.
“It depends on how broadly you define ‘green energy world,’ ” Loris said.
http://www.chron.com/business/energy/article/Fact-check-Romney-s-green-energy-jab-needs-3920652.php
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I hate to see nukes even mentioned any more–but
wind power and solar are so limited to conditions. Some say we should go all
nuke. With a total of about 105 US plants producing just 18% we’d have to go to
over 500 plants. Then if you truly want to be free of oil you’d have to go all
electric for cars and for rail. So even adding a modest 50% would bring you up
to 750 plants. Divide that amongst 50 states and we’d have to find room for 15
nuke plants in Maine. The only renewable source in my mind is tidal. But I’m
sure the clams would object;-)
This assumes that there will be no increase in demand. In my lifetime, the population has more than quadrupled. Until we get a handle on the population explosion, we will continue to need increased production from all forms of electricity generation.
Earthling3—I just felt compelled to reply to your comment and say that you are soooooo correct. But population control is a subject that no one wants to even bring up and is heavily frowned upon. If we went to the idea of ONE child per family, within 20-30 years we would cut our population in HALF. Such an easy fix…yet no one wants to comply. Billy Bob—down the road in a section 8 subsidized trailer—still thinks he has the right to pump out kids faster than a sump pump pumps water from a flooded basement. And of course he expects us to feed and cloth them too. But that’s another whole subject. So yes—you are sooo correct about population being the REAL problem..
We should Never Ever consider trying to go oil free!! You people are sooo out of touch.
Gilligan—I hope you were not referring to me as one of the people suggesting being oil free when you said “you guys are so out of touch.” I was suggesting the impossibilities of it, unless you want 15 nuke plants in the state. I am all for oil. Let Obama try to fly Air Force One on wood chips. Think of all the aircraft all over the world needing fuel now. I’ve worked around aircraft so know the HUGE amount of fuel they consume. Air Force One eats up about 3,000 gallons just to get off the ground—then about 3,000 an hour after that to cruise. Plus people are not aware of all the side products that come from oil. Plastics are one of those. Try removing EVERYTHING made of plastic from your life and see what you have left. So I totally agree with you. Oil free people are “a few fries short of a happy meal”
Sarcasm? The world will run out of oil sometime. It may be in 50 years or 200 or 300 but we will run out of natural oil some day. You might say that isn’t our problem but someone will need to consider it at some point.
Your analysis has massive flaws to the point it is almost a useless argument.
It is not a bad starting point but that is all it is. Not a valid argument against Nuclear energy.You assume all Nuclear power plants are the same size and you assume the state of Nuclear technology is exactly the same as it was in the 1970s. Both of those things are patiently false. I am frustrated that you are trying to apply to numbers in a meaningful way and making such poor assumptions that your analysis is at best ignorant and at worst a lie. Either way it is misleading and hurtful to the ideas of controlling the energy costs we are dealing with.
Tom—-then please enlighten me on your knowledge before you insult me any more. I have a friend in the nuke field and we have had many talks. Like you he is totally for it. I am aware of small units that can be placed on the ocean floor as individual reactors and automated to take care of themselves—while power cables run to the surface to feed the town. Yes–great advances are being made. But I was also out in Oregon years ago when the two units at the Trojan facility (sisters to our Maine Yankee) had developed the same cracks in the steam tubes that our Maine Yankee had later announced (leading me to think they knew earlier) and then repaired only to close the plant later. I was talking with the people there and was told that Trojan was shutting down because it wasn’t worth repairing the cracks and still be able to compete with CHEAP HYDRO power. It IS a fact that 105 plants produce only 18% of the power today. So logic says it takes 5 times that to produce 100%. So I would be interested in how many modern day plants you think it would take to add to the 105. Then tell me how many additional ones would be needed for an all electric country–with electric rails etc. then tell me what their life expectancy is and what we are doing with spent fuel. I’m all ears.
Although I am not in the nuclear field I have a BS in physics and have read several scholarly articles and presentations on newer nuclear technology that produce energy more efficiently without the possibility of melt down, and with less irradiated water waste. Pebble bed reactors spring to the top of my mind. However, that is not the point.
You are still making the same flawed assumptions with your Oregon story. Those were reactors from the 1970s using at best technology form the 1970s.
You also undermine your self by stating your informed by a friend who is in the industry and all for it; yet based on your observations of reactors from the 1970s your against it.
Things have changed but fear and assumptions have not. If we started a real investment in new technology and public outreach we could fit 15 of some type of newly designed reactors in Maine. Yet statements like yours convince people that it is a wast of time to have that conversation. What should we be doing then as fossil fuel prices continue to rise?
The eventuality is that oil will continue to rise and we should lock a tool away based flawed logic. We need to very seriously be considering these options to
You also stated that you “hate to see nukes even mentioned.” Very strongly implying that we should never build them or even consider them in planning for the energy demands of our future. Also implying that you are not “all ears” and don’t want to consider the conversation that you are “all ears” about after being called out for using very weak logic in your argument. The best argument against nuclear is the lack of willing investors. The upfront cost is enormous and can take a decade or two to recoup the initial investment. Thus, investors with a short attention span are not willing to invest. Leaving it as a uninteresting business model for most people. I completely agree that tidal is a great option. Possibly the best for Maine but not so much for Oregon. However, tidal does come with a serious set of challenges and expenses that if we applied the same logic you applied to “nukes” hydro would also probably fail. Mostly you applied to numbers to make an argument but the logic behind those numbers was borderline useless. Then you used that as conclusive evidence that we shouldn’t even have the conversation that you now want to have. That is a pet peeve of mine. So sorry if I was more insulting than I should have been.
First Tom, you are welcome to have your pet peeves. I certainly have a good share of my own, as you have elegantly pointed out. And yes—I do not care for the elements that have been brought to us by uranium. I once had a bumper sticker that said..”Uranium—leave it in the ground.” And of course things would certainly be different if we had not invented the first atomic bomb, so I will be hypocritical and say that I am glad we had it then. But with that said, I really don’t like things that we aren’t able to see, but that can do real damage. Heck—farmers in Russia still have some sort of hand held seed apparatus that has a nuclear powder in it to sterilize any bad growth on the seeds they pass through it. Hope the kids aren’t playing in the barn some day and open it up by mistake! Like MTBE that we still insist on putting in our gas—then running it in outboards in our drinking water—I’d rather see uranium contained.
Yes—you are right that many people are hyped about the danger and why shouldn’t they be. You can say all you want about advances, but can not guarantee 100% that there will never be another plant disaster. No matter how automated or safe we think we have made these things—there is still the potential for something to go wrong. And a nuke spill is not like a gas split that you mop up—throw down a little speedy dry and all is well the next day. Parts of Japan will not be safe for many many years, if ever. I believe only old people that don’t have long to live were allowed to move back to Chernobyl. So if we really want a safe planet, then why not work with things that are 100% organic, such as water? I’d throw in wind and solar but I have already expressed that I see them as way too little and waaay too expensive. So my money goes to tidal. Unless the planets diced to line up and somehow fling as away from them, we are always going to have tides. Do I have any real idea how to accomplish it. I have ideas, but maybe they are full of holes. However I have faith that we as Americans could figure out ways to do it. Would it upset a few clams—and people with shore-front property? It might. But let’s keep the nuclear stuff contained. More plants are just more possibilities for something like Japan. You just don’t know what unexpected disaster might take place. It’s not worth polluting the land so that we can never use it. We are already doing that with MTBE and our ground water. Funny how we collect mercury from our old thermostats, while we keep spreading MTBE across the whole US. Everything is upside down lately.
And I still didn’t hear any suggestion from you on a number of plants or how long they last and where we are storing the waste. I’m guessing you don’t have any answers—or even estimates. Or if you did, they probably would destroy the whole nuke idea to start with. And I bet they wouldn’t be that far off from my figures, that you suggested were so off base. But again, I’m willing to listen;-)
The point is you using bad logic in your first post. When called out you become articulate and thoughtful about your position. However, you used very bad logic to try to convince others of your stance while ignoring any real argument at the start. That is what I am calling you out on.
Let’s apply your logic to hydroelectric dams. 5.74% U.S. Electricity comes from hydroelectric with 74000 plants. Meaning we need a least 17x that many damns. So we would need to find room for 25,500 damns per state or a minimum of 20,000 more damns in Maine. That sounds like a crazy number and I am sure you have plenty of arguments against that crazy number. It is your appeal to bad logic to back up a faulty argument that I was originally calling you out on. Also, nothing is 100% safe. Yes, you can argue Nuclear has an inherently higher risk. However nothing is 100% safe.
When we consider large hydro-damns there is a non-0 chance they could break causing, although shorter term, but still catastrophic damage to things down river. Also, when we consider tidal on a massive scale how much damage will that do to the fish population around our coast? How will that effect the fishing industry that employs us all? These are not excuses to not start. However, any of the all in one basket solutions are unrealistic.
Yes Tom—my first post was a bit radical but it was to make the point quickly. You and I have gone back and forth in much more detail than anyone would want to read in a single post. I see that most people that take the time to enter these posts are venting frustrations of their own. My frustration was over years and years of people suggesting we need to expand nuclear facilities and, like you, with promises of how much safer they have become. When I see a push towards more and more electric–whether it’s in our homes—or electric cars–or high speed rail—then I see a never ending growth to our need for more electricity, especially if we want to get away from oil driven vehicles. So the logical “dependable source”, that comes to mind for most people, is nuke. I say “dependable” only in meaning that it isn’t bothered by lack of wind or sun. In looking for an alternative source, and eliminating nuke, my own mind can came up with ONLY tidal. And yes—it would make a real mess out of the coast for awhile. But just like dams in rivers—they may stir up some mud—and stop some fish from coming back—but eventually things settle out. There is a big ocean for the fish to hang out in. They don’t need our coves and inlets. I’m not claiming tidal could be a complete solution. And I will trust that your figures on hydro showing that rivers can not be a complete solution. I never thought they could—hence why I said tidal. But I would rather that we exhaust all those possibilities first by developing as much as we can. Throw in a few petty wind turbines to make others happy. THEN, if we still are lacking in power, bring out the nukes. But I am sure you won’t argue with me that there will be a LOT LESS by then. My fear Tom, is that there would be sooo much rebelling against disturbing the coast, that people would push for the nukes, especially if they didn’t have to see them from their living room window. People can always be convinced to take the easy way out! I drive by a small hydro facility at Brunswick/Topsham each day. I toured it when it first opened. It’s been there forever it seems. The only cost we were told was the replacement of the upper and lower bearings. I think it was $250k at that time. Simple—easy—and efficient. I also see you ignored my bigger questions. The fight still goes on about spent nuke fuel and where to store it. My friend told me old nuke plants can be retrofitted for a few more years of use. But bottom line is that they ALL have a limited life. The nuke industry is out to make money Tom, as is any industry. When we get a little restless about our future, then just like Obama, they can sell a man in the desert, dying of thirst, a box of Saltine Crackers. We had our ONE plant in Maine—that was enough! It separated our state as we had referendums to get rid of it. The south part was concerned with daily radioactive discharges, while the north part could have cared less. We were told that the discharges were safe, but of course that factored in the idea that the wind would dissipate them, which it didn’t always do. The north was sold a bill of goods that electricity would be cheaper for them. We were BOTH lied to. It was as if the Captain of the Titanic reassured the passengers not to worry—as they had just stopped to take on ice! There was just too much mystery and deception surrounding it. As I said, one plant was enough. I don’t want to see a half dozen,or more, return!
Tom—-I see that I missed addressing many of your previous comments. Sorry about that. First I was only mentioning the older reactors as an example of how hydro power wins out as a 100% safe. No cracked tubes like then, that may be hidden from the people, nor flaws in micro-controllers or any other part of a modern day reactor. I don’t trust reactors or the people running them. A failed water project doesn’t render land useless. Also I stated that I have had talks with my friend and am aware of new ways. Hence the mention of underwater self-contained reactors. But my argument with him clearly came from the side of his company and their desire for profits. Safety issues and profits are always in conflict. I don’t want profits to win. I don’t think we should wait for oil to run out, hence my suggestion again, for water power. Yet we are tearing down dams in Maine, so the fish will be happy, while we should be building up dams and hydro instead. Are we so stupid that we would rather eat fish in the dark, than build a hydro dam. Besides, Canada has been itching to sell us their surplus hydro for years. What is the problem there. Clean energy, and we don’t even have to maintain it. And yes, I AM all ears. But as mentioned in the first part that I just posted, I did not hear you address the items I was interested in. I repeated them again. They were important, if we were even going to begin to talk about more nukes. You can SUGGEST that tidal numbers might fail too. But I haven’t even heard any numbers from you yet. And again—-I would be fine if you could disprove my thoughts on 100’s of new nuke plants. If you were to suggest a half dozen plants are all we need, I would go along with that. But you’ll have to give me numbers to back it up. I’m just tired of hearing all these new ideas that are thrown at us in the name of “profits for the companies.” I say sloooow down—take our time—-and look around. We aren’t going to run out of oil for a long time. The price will soon go up with hyper inflation, not becuase there is less of it or the oil companies are shafting us. At least we don’t have socialized medicine driving the price up to $11 a gallon like my cousin pays in Scotland. Oh wait—we DO have socialized medicine that will soon drive the price up. But that discussion would be for another day;-))
Renewable policies crushing New England’s economy
http://www.windaction.org/faqs/32263
Governor LePage is correct and the cabal of pocket-lining self appointed “greens” pushing the RPS are the true enemy of the hard working Mainer.
Thank you. This is another Maine based group. these are not lefties or righties, just ordinary Mainers very disturbed about Record Hill and other issues. http://www.windtaskforce.org.
Thanks for pointing out that this should not be just another blame session between political parties. The most important topics get lost in the shuffle when people do that. Some issues (most of them) involve members/supporters of both political parties, as well as independents. But then, some people can’t seem to stop focusing on who to blame instead of how to handle the issue which results in lively debates about who should take the blame for what and who should get credit for what but…. if the issue isn’t the main focus nothing gets done!
Learn about the Obama green debacle on Fox News tonight at 9 PM.
The fraudulent methane-hose video was unreal.
I assume that the piece will be, as always, “fair and balanced”.
I assume that the piece will be, as always, “fair and balanced”.
Yes, I ALWAYS rely on Faux Noise to provide me with totally unbiased news. The truth is, if you want to know what is going on in the US, pay attention to what BBC is saying. I doubt there is any news media that is completely unbiased, but when it comes to relying on Faux Noise to tell me the truth, I’d first rely on drums in the African jungles.
You are correct!! That Solyndra really worked out for the American People.
That is why Big Paul is the “Worst” Governor ever elected in the history of Maine to date.
No the worst is running for the senate at this time.
You do mean Summers:)
I think he means King.
No, Summers has never been Gov.
I don’t believe Summers was ever Governor. Pay attention if you are gonna comment!
Another reading challenged GOPer weighs in. Your comment is a perfect example of what happens when people get led astray by some of the fundamental/evangelical “pastors” who discourage independent thinking. Everything has to be so literal, eh? Chill out and educate thyself. Pay attention and you might recognize humor once in a rare while.
By saying that, you are slighting John Baldacci, I think. At the least JB deserves honorable mention for that honor.
JB is the runner up…
Grumpy – Penguin is not usually right, so that isn’t it. I actually ‘hate it’ when he speaks to the press, because he so reliably says something that hurts our State (and sometimes our civilization).
press 1 for english.
. . . and press 2 for idiotic blather. Since when does anything LePage says hurt “civilization?” Maine is so far off the radar screen, no one has a clue what’s really going on up here.
And wasn’t the headline the other day that LePage blamed wind and solar power developers for the high price of energy?
And Lepage refering to the Maine Heritage Policy Center takes away any credibility he might have had.
Did you get out of your muu muu yet today? Your comments are so predictable, you’re getting boring.
41 Green shirts men are out in full force while the Sun is out, might bring on the rain to finish cleaning the leaves.
Absolutely! Drill Baby Drill!
We should be able to get a whole bunch of semisubmersibles & drillships in the Gulf of Maine. Domestic Production! Build a refinery in Searsport and we will have jobs as well as a finished product to export!
It ain’t that simple …
Actually, it is.
It only seems that simple to simple minded-people …
Canada doesn’t seem to have a problem with drilling – Exxon is bringing in a Seadrill harsh-environment semi sometime in December to drill off Newfoundland. There are rumors that Husky may bring another Seadrill rig to Atlantic Canada in 2014. Why can’t rigs work off our Atlantic coast?
The liberals are the only ones who doesn’t want the USA to drill
Conservative idiots are the ones who want us the US to drill.
Apparently you’ve forgotten about what happened to the Gulf Coast a few years ago? Right wingers have such selective memories.
Conservatives have such simple solutions for complex problems. Maybe that’s why their economic policies have resulted in every recession/Depression/ economic downturn in modern US history.
Because Senators Collins and Snowe opposed them along with every other business working in or dependent upon the Gulf of Maine.
Drill Baby Drill!!!!
All this Liberal foolishness is a direct result of the closing of all the communes. Massachusetts should be a designated commune for all the foolish Libs to reside in so the rest of us can get on with the future. They can have Hiawatha Elizabeth Warren as their leader!!
We hate it when LePage is right???
Can you name a single instance when that’s happened?
And your ilk who live on DelusionalMountain think Obama is a “Kenyan Communist Muslim”. So much for your whining about “hate.” You and your ilk and Governor LeBUFFOON are OWNED by the right wing oil corporatists, and the Maine Heritage PROPAGANDA Center feeds LeBUFFOON every word the poor fool utters, nothwithstanding his offscript ridiculous rants and lies.
Does this mean we can’t count on your vote for Gov. LePage in two years?
All I had to see was “Maine Heritage Policy Center” and his assertions lost all credibility.
Lepage just cost Summers votes. A significant portion of Maine’s population has learned that LePage is wrong so frequently and by so much, you will be voting correctly the vast majority of the time if you just do the opposite of what the arrogant ignorant bully in the Blaine House says,
LePage is dead right on this.
Not quite.
If he is dead right and you know it, lets see the source of your back up data.
Hydroelectric is from running water. Water renews itsef. See weather.com and look for terms such as rain, snow, fog and dew. The greenies proclaim it as not renewable and it’s dirt cheap. All to protect the tiny handful of wind industry parasites.
Sure! I agree with you. Now, where are we going to find enough rivers to supply Maine with the power needed in the future?
We already have all the power we need. We are a net exporter with the highest use of renewables (% wise) in the U.S.
But the big obvious source you ask about is up in northern Quebec. They have an oversupply of hydroelectric, already built. Vermont just cut a 20 year deal with them. The wind power that Angus King is advocating could cost 5-6 times as much per kilowatt hour.
New Brunswick may be another existing source.
The wind industry and their slick Portland law firms helped kill Governor LePage’s attempt at reclassifying large hydro as a renewable.
Policies like John Baldacci’s, which allowed us to electively go for unnecessarily high priced feel good energy sources are yesterday’s news. It is a new austere morning and we simply cannot be forced to buy overpriced things that in essence, do not work. Industrial wind power does not work.
Quebec seems a reasonable role model.
No he isn’t. The increase is less than inflation.
I wonder who writes his stuff, what a mix of nothing new and new nothing, sorry Great Gov, but renewable energy belongs in the mix, it is to reduce oil use, and hydro will come, if regulations are ever defined, and rich flatty’s will let their coast be used for something besides their sailboats. However it may give you words to use, which you know are just nothings, and $85.00 a year, most Mainers spend that on cigs or lottery tickets anyway, if $85.00 a years is going to make a Mainer poor or rich, find him or her and let them tell their story.
And how much more are we paying in gasoline to fill our automobiles? Why was that little fact not mentioned? Because we can’t blame the previous administrations for that. That’s it, isn’t it? We have to be able to put the blame somewhere before we make scary statements. I am not going to have a sleepless night because it is going to cost me $85.00 more per year to use electricity. What does cause me sleepless nights is the dread I feel when the oil tank needs to be refilled. Let’s hope we have another mild winter.
You can’t blame any administarion on the price of oil but you can blame greedy money managers for it though.
Yes you can. If we had a president we could legitimately increase production and take the speculators out it in about 30 days.
We have a president, his name is Obama.
There is currently more production on both private land and public lands than there was under GW Bush and there are over 7,000 drilling permits not currently being used. Why? Because oil companies DO NOT want to see oil prices go down because that undermines their bottm line and one thing you can believe in is greed of teh oil companies.
Oh by the way, VOTE KING
I already paid for his windmill farm – Angus King owes me – not the other way around. Typical corrupt politician.
Typical handler comment to attack, must have been pay day this week.
Be careful pattenpond. Every time I post something pro-King it get flagged multiple times and removed. I’m going to start calling it a “vast dual-extreme-wing conspiracy!” LOL.
LOL good idea, Maine is always behind the times, King, a little ahead of times, the laptops, windpower, out West, on my trip, wife and I observed thousands of windmills,and also natural gas pumpers all around, wind is coming along with hydro, but I like your comment.
King’s laptop initiative was visionary. Every kid graduating from high school in this state is now computer literate – talk about workforce development!
Computer literate? Because they know how to tweet play world of warcarft they are prepared? 20% of college freshmen need remedial classes. And you think this is progress?
This is 2012 and virtually every job out there is dependent on technology in one form or the other. The laptop initiative is now 10 years old. When it was proposed, there was a huge “digital divide” between kids who had access to computers at home and those that didn’t. Providing 1 to 1 access (a computer for every 7th and 8th grader) leveled the playing field – at least with regard to access to quality computing technology.
I agree with you that many kids are not adequately prepared for college, especially with regard to their writing skills. The laptops did not cause or cure that, but yes, they have provided us with a computer literate populous. We should be selling that advantage harder to prospective businesses and industries.
Most industries see our energy prices and run the other way despite how prepared you think our students are.
Even as an Old Repub I am voting for King.
Not too surprising to hear Paulie and the Maine Heritage boys saying that clean energy production is a bad thing. We all know the cheapest and dirtiest fuels here or from others (Middle Eastern countries) who hate us is the best way to go, right? No need to EVER look at or invest in clean energy production. Hey, and lets blame politicians that aren’t us for even trying to get clean energy up and running. How dumb can Mainer’s be? Sadly dumb enough to put Paulie and his “extended family staffing” into the Blaine House.
“Clean Energy” isn’t cost effective unless you speak of hydroelectric power or nuclear – neither of which will ever succeed with Maine’s tree hugging crowd. We have plenty of oil here domestically – and coal – but good liberals like yourself will NEVER allow us to use it. Thanks for nothing.
>”Clean Energy” isn’t cost effective
Nor is Global Warming.
Hydro is very cost effective, as is natural gas. And we would not have to “upgrade” the grid.
CMP and its parent company Iberdrola USA have invested more than $500 million upgrading its grid.
The project aims to double the capacity of the backbone of the state’s power grid when it’s completed in 2015. All told, there are five new 345,000-volt substations linked by approximately 440 miles of new transmission lines.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/CMP-reaches-milestone-on-power-grid-upgrade-3824869.php#ixzz28eD8PxT8”
Where does it say anything about upgrade to accomodate wind power?
gofer . . . First of all, none of our power in Maine comes from coal. Second, the upgrades CMP is finishing up now, were $1.4 Billion and were paid by ratepayer increases, not Iberdrola. We don’t need grid upgrades for another 40 years at the present population growth for Maine. Iberdrola has made it known that the upgrades they just are finishing up with will need another $19 to $26 BILLION to make them stable for the wind generation they hope to build here. One quote from Iberdrola, since they have been frozen out of doing more work in Europe by the loss of subsidies, is that they will have to find new customers where there are subsidies. Translation, NEW SUCKERS FOR THEIR WIND SCAM. THE USA and MAINE. You obviously have not done your research. Wind is done in EUROPE.
The San Francisco Chronical??? That is really a reliable source. Give me a break. I have a feeling you are a wind shill from California. How far did you have to dig for that one. Did you notice the rates in Maine went up 20% in July? That was Iberdrola paying for the $1.4 Billion upgrade. Think how much the increase will be for $26 BILLION. Do some real research.
You’re right…I should have asked the Maune Heritage Policy Foundation. they are the ultimate unbiased authority in everything.
Yikes, Jonathan. Why is everyone who wants energy independence (or who disagrees with your view) a flaming liberal in your mind? I know many conservatives who think we’re killing our planet with oil and coal. The fact that you don’t know any doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Let me remind you that the price of oil primarily gas is regulated by market forces as you may have noted the price increase flying right now as the market player are back to create the perceived shortage and jack the price then after they take their profit they allow the gas price to return to reality as there is plenty of product – the issue for you and me – is that the market are the people that are giving us the jack. Same old market process – hit and run – take a profit and move on to the next opportunity to gather another hit etc etc
“Clean energy isn’t cost effective.” NOW, perhaps not. But unless you don’t care about having a future it’s the direction we need to be moving toward not as LePage and his conservative supporters are promoting, away from. Cost and efficiency of such systems will like every other new technology, drop dramatically as we move ahead. I’m all for using coal as long as it’s clean. Work on making that so and I’ll jump on board. Taking today’s conservative approach of saving a penny (or in true conservative form, making a penny) by sucking the life from the planet and everything on it simply doesn’t seem to be very insightful nor good stewardship of the resources we have. I know, none of what I’ve said makes much sense to the Hummer crowd. Some folks just have to learn the hard way. Here’s to hoping the planet doesn’t slap us too harshly too soon. As for our offspring, oh well its gonna be a little rough on you.
Excellent comment. thank u.
Why aren’t you advocating for hydro? Are you uninformed or are you a shill for Anguish King?
I choose not to fixate on limited solutions and I’d like to do something today that will have positive results in the future. Does that sound like a bad strategy to you? Hydro has its place but as I’m sure someone who is as “well informed” as yourself must know (Like all energy sources) it also comes with a whole host of problems. I may be uninformed and a shill of some kind in your eyes but one thing for sure is that I’m not nearly as angry or closed minded as others we see here. I will actually be voting for Governor King because I see a vote for him as a vote against the likes of Paul LePage and Charlie Summers as well as closed minded people in general.
You choose to ignore the best solution in the name of diversity? How quaint. Be careful what you wish for in that snake oil salesman Angus.
What in what I said above suggest that I’ve chosen to ignor anything? oldmainer, you now have me wondering if it’s your eyes or your closed mind that’s preventing you from understanding what’s plainly written in front of your face? Whatever the case, I think I may be wasting my time with you. Good luck with your “damning” (yes that spelling is intentional) of anything that you don’t agree with. Last word here is yours, use it well.
We have a viable solution right in front of our noses but instead the leftists insist we rely on useless wind power that has done nothing but succeed in enriching the politically connected. For the money we’ve wasted on wind we could have built hydro dams that would have supplied our power for the next 100 years. The reason we haven’t is because of charlatans like Angus King and the Baldacci.
Most of our power comes from coal fired plants. that’s why the Conservatives hate anything else. Koch Brothers control most of the coal production and a good share of the natural gas pipelines in this country. They are the financial backing behind the Tea Party.
…even dumber are people who don’t realize Hydro energy is the cleanest mode of producing electricity and the cheapest
StillRelaxin – wind power does not replace Middle Eastern oil. Or any oil. The reason is we burn virtually no oil to make electricity. You may wish to read more, comment less until such point that you become better informed.
Who said it did? You may wish to stick to what people are saying rather than simply responding to your own thoughts. What will wind/solar/tidal do for us in the FUTURE? I hope a lot. How about you? When should we get started, never?
You had a reference to Middle Eastern oil which you deleted. And I have the screenshot.
Nope you’re assertion about “deletion” is just as wrong as your interpretation of what I stated. Scroll up and you’ll see your error here. Ponder my comment a bit more and you might even begin to see a meaning that goes beyond some disconnected arbitrary position you’ve chosen to defend. Hint here, what I’ve said means what it says not what you want it to say.
As I said, I have the screenshot. You also imply Mideastern oil can be replaced by clean energy in another comment as well:
“Not too surprising to hear Paulie and the Maine Heritage boys saying that clean energy production is a bad thing. We all know the cheapest and dirtiest fuels here or from others (Middle Eastern countries) who hate us is the best way to go, right?”The clean energy being discussed in this article that Governor LePage frowns upon is wind.
Ok now it’s official, my comment now appears once by me and twice by you. I’m sure that I must now hold the single comment posting record on the BDN. Yahoo for StillRelaxin!!! Why are you fixated on your “screenshot” when all you have to do is scroll up and read what I and YOU keep posting? This kind of communication tells me how Paulie stumbled into the Blaine House in the first place.
You hope? Then maybe YOU should invest in wind, solar, and tidal. If it works then you’ll make a bundle. If not then you’ll be the one who is harmed instead of the rest of us.
StillRelaxin wrote “Not too surprising to hear Paulie and the Maine Heritage boys saying that clean energy production is a bad thing. We all know the cheapest and dirtiest fuels here or from others (Middle Eastern countries) who hate us is the best way to go, right?”
My response: Wind power does not replace Middle Eastern oil. Or any oil. The reason is we burn virtually no oil to make electricity. You may wish to read more, comment less until such point that you become better informed.
No where in any of this do I see where LePage has any concrete option’s or idea’s as to how to solve the power problem. His frequent chanting of ‘Buy Canadian electricity’ is completely opposite of what the GOP’s supposedly current cry of American job’s and economic plan are all about when the power we need can be achieved thru a combination of oil, gas and, and yes, even solar and wind. If LePage is so detemined to get Maine the power it needs then why is he so determined to get it at the cost of American job’s that are already here ? This is where Maine’s construction industry, like Cianbro and the various other local construction companies, have the experience to build the solution’s Maine needs. Why LePage hasn’t made mention of this, along with the local Trades Council, is the 800 lbs gorilla question that is still waiting to be answered.
And while I am not a big fan of drilling the fact remains that there is ample natural gas in the Gulf that is reachable. If LePage wants to do some good, go to DC and make the case for the gas drilling and the job’s it’s going to bring to Maine. And nobody can tell me that Maine can’t supervise offshore drilling, especially after the BP/Gulf mess. Any offshore driller is gonna have safety inspector’s and monitor’s everywhere, along side their insurance carrier’s own people, to make sure that that type of mess never happens again. What is also most important is the need for the smaller town’s to have access to a dependable power supply. Local power has been, even LePage agreeing, as a limiting factor in business start-up’s and expansion. If there was ever a time to concentrate on getting local power grid’s moving, this is it.
Lepage is a consistent champion of profit for Canadian businesses at the expense of Maine taxpayers. He still has immediate family members in Canada and it would be interesting to learn if they are profiting from his policies gouging those of us he is supposed to be working for.
I’d rather pay hydro Quebec then first wind…
Malicious minds like your’s never sleep do they? Where does your hatred come from? $$$$ perhaps?
Your conspiracy theory is showing.
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I’m retired with more money than I’ll be able to spend before I die. I can not be bribed (unlike LePage).
LePage’s leadership is equally matched by the Canadian government’s commitment to ‘sell’ terrawatts of hydro power to the U.S. …it’s only a matter of cutting the best deal, and that’s what LePage does best!
And you hit the nail right on the head ! Cut the best deal for HIM……Mainers loose jobs every day and he just keeps right on selling us out……..and stuffing his pockets and keeping his family employed
for sum reason the left wont let us be energy dependent green is ok but we are years away do you sell your home before you have a place to go? we need to drill for now when perfected we can go green otherwise we are going down the tubes vote for the left again heating oil will be 6-10 a gallon next year thats if we dont get shut off the middle east hate our guts and we cant count on them
finally some finger pointing in the other direction with some truth. I looked for a response to his address but there isn’t one. Wonder just how much truth there is to it. Maybe those on the left haven’t had time to conspire and blame Bush.
Everytime you point 1 finger in any direction, you automatically point four fingers in the opposite direction
” citing a study by the Maine Heritage Policy Center ”
Enough said. There is no need to trust people whose sources are solely partisan think tanks.
An increasingly common tactic of the left is to simply cite a source as opposed to try to mount a cogent argument. This great nation of ours cannot afford to be weakened by any more leftist policies which is why I believe we may see a silent majority change the country’s course on election day.
after all the failed policys of the left they still blame bush wake up everyone ( insanity) doing the same thing over and over expecting different results out with the old in with the new
Boy the American Heritage handlers are out in full force today, Must have been pay day on Friday. Go NY Giants.
Of course, conservatives “never” do that. That’s precisely what they are doing with the last jobs report.
You’re not citing a source if you’re citing a think tank.
You make an argument and you back it up with real facts. Not made up or skewed facts. What I’m noticing is a common tactic of the right to deny facts — such as denying that our below 8% unemployment is a fact number.
LePage is pro natural gas. So, since there is quite a bit of that stuff available, but not able to be delivered to homes and businesses, here is a thought. Maybe farfetched, but still a thought. I would like to hook up to natural gas, okay; however, Bangor Gas cannot “reach” my house. They need x number of residences and businesses to make it worthwhile to make the connection. What if Mr. LePage were to see to it that every household desiring to lower their heating cost, would be able to hook up to the gas lines? Talk about creating jobs!!! The energy savings would be tremendous. The mantra, “We need to be less dependent on foreign oil” would ring true and everybody would be happy. Maybe. We would need to find another subject to complain about, though.
My vote is for you come next election ! THAT would create jobs all over the state. Sounds like a plan to me !
That would be some project! Who would pay for these jobs? The state?
Why don’t YOU PAY to have the line extended to your house instead of asking everyone else in Maine to pay for it?
What did the moonbats think was going to happen? Lower costs? These people probably think cap & trade will reduce costs. Clearly they believe that increasing taxes on oil companies will help and taking $716 billion from hospitals to pay for Obamacare will reduce health care costs.
And look at what is happening to the gas prices in California. They so deserve it.
Liberal policies will continue to decimate the middle and lower classes, yet people will still vote for them thinking they actually care about you. They don’t.
You are the middle class Maybe. Do you think the corporate take over of our politics and economy is going to help you get ahead or maintain your present economic status. Do you believe the wealthy are going trickle on you?
More likely to tinkle.
Liberals sold themselves out a long time ago.. Every single Bill for the last 30 years pasted in Washington has corporate written all over it.. Wind power can not, nor will it ever benifit anyone. Any business that depends on government funding and can’t stand on it’s own merits should have the plug pulled on its funding..
Does that include nuclear power, backed by federal loan guarantees? Or oil, which gets subsidies? The TVA in Appalachia? How about airlines(Essential Service)? Or any public transit system anywhere?
learn the numbers please
I am glad to see you are with us in stopping the tax breaks and subsities to the oil companies.
LIBERALS sold themselves out long ago?!?
WOW. You wingnuts aren’t only out of touch with reality, you’ve got it completely 180° backwards.
Yes, every single bill for the last 30 years created in Washington has “corporate” written all over it. That’s thanks to right-wing, CONSERVATIVE corruption.
Get your facts straight; or, failing that, just please refrain from making wildly inaccurate comments.
Yes I do. It has been proven to work over and over and over again. What does not work is government takeover of everything. That has NEVER worked.
and if people dont wake up they will get what they deserve gas will double again the media lie all this talk of jobs they are all part time seasonal
Once again, some people in Maine will be choosing between heating oil and groceries or medicine. Just another effect of flat wages, plain and simple. Oil and gas prices are about where they should be, when adjusted for inflation. It is the wages being stuck in the early 90’s that is making oil and gas seem so much more expensive. Still waiting for the first honest politician to point out the 800 pound gorilla in the room. I wouldn’t hold my breath though. The people who pay the politicians their real wage are happy with the way things are. Big corporate America and the top 1% are the only ones who benefit from low wages. The rest of us are paying through the nose, and we are doing so with shrinking pay checks. If you are happy with the staus quo, be a good sheep and vote Democrat or Republican. Either one is fine with those who are benefiting from our current situation.
‘Once again, some people in Maine will be choosing between heating oil and groceries or medicine…… after they bought fireworks and POT and tattoos and butts and booze.’
I am pretty sure the elderly do not buy fireworks and weed. Nor do people who struggle to get by on minimum wage, part time jobs. I was talking about low wages being the problem. This would, of course, preclude any bums who are too lazy to work. Younger healthy people can deal with wood. It is the elderly that concern me.
Elderly like tatoos….LOL
I talked to friends that live in Boston ,Southern Florida,Missouri, and California, all are saying the economy is doing much better and all are saying they are not in fear of losing their jobs like they have been over the past few years. Also, the stock market is at a 5 year high.
I am voting for Romney but the economy really is doing better,just not here in Maine. Obama is going to win.
Then WHY would you vote for Romney?????
Medication:)
those are all temp jobs seasonal things are not how they seem obama will bankrupt us in just to more years then you will be whinning all the millions wasted on solyndra could have been spread out for the leap fund but now they are cut a lot of mainers will be cold this winter ahh our friends in washington
More accuracy from the Governor. The truth is sometimes painful.
He’s got to blame “someone” we all know its not his fault right? nothings his fault!
Kinda Like Obama, Huh?
Sounds like the gov. is pushing hydro power i wonder if he has an agenda for when he leaves office.
Canadian power to be exact. Lepage has immediate family in Canada, Follow the money.
The gov.never takes any blame for his dumb remarks and blames everybody else for his mistakes and you are so right about the canadian power and immediate family plus the positions he created for family.
Hydro Quebec over wind power any day. . The people who own the wind farms aren’t even from the united states.
Hydro power is the way to go.
Eh. I have a longer memory than the Guv. Energy prices have been high in Maine for a long time, longer than King or Obama have held power. Neither King nor Obama shut down the Maine Yankee plant, our cheapest source of electricity. Neither of the Guv’s bogeymen have been removing hydropower dams. Neither of them limited the amount of hydropower we can buy from Quebec.
Prices are rising under Lepage’s leadership, so the best thing to do is blame past politicans for the problems. His magic wand has run out of tricks as reality creeps in on his scorched earth policy. Republican bloat has set in, and the only medicine to fix it is electing more democrats in november. Poor Paul.
Lepage’s victim mentality does not compute when most of the rest of the country is improving by more than Maine.
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The one difference over the past two years is who has been in charge here.
Can we apply the same reasoning you are using for LePage on OBAMA for the last FOUR years he has given us?
Of course! We are moving forward. Can you dig it!
Absolutely!
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Just like we compare Maine to other states to see how badly LePage is doing in the same economy where other state are improving way beyond us, compare the slow steady progress in America to the nasty downward trends in the rest of the world and it become obvious which national leader is doing the best job!
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Thanks for reminding me to mention that.
Do you suppose that governor LePage realizes that oil is a finite resource? A resource that is rapidly disappearing. We are but 4% of the world’s population and we consume 60% of the oil pumped out of the ground every day. With the emerging economies in China and India, that is about to change. This is a change that could not happen without a lot of help from the American consumer. If you think oil and gas are expensive now, wait until we are no longer top hog at the trough. A little food for thought the next time you are skipping out of WalMart with another bag load of cheap Chinese crap. We need to buy American and put all our efforts towards developing affordable renewable energy resources, while we still can. Deep thinkers like Paul LePage will not help. He prefers to point fingers.
I agree wholeheartedly with you, avoiceinthecreowd that we should be buying American and I’m so very glad to read that you despise finger pointing!
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Rice on Benghazi:
Blame the intelligence community
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/05/rice_on_benghazi_blame_the_intelligence_community
Team Obama Blames John Kerry for Debate Loss
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/06/Obama-Blames-Kerry
Here in America we have all the resources we need for the next two centuries. We only have to be allowed to use them. The leftists say tear down all our dams, close all our clean coal plants, don’t drill for oil or gas, don’t build nuclear plants, but it is ok to build technology like wind and solar that are not ready for prime time. Until they can find a way to store the inefficient, intermittant and unreliable power that comes from these sources, they are WORTHLESS and are driving our energy costs up dramatically. Do a little research into the real science of the technology instead of just spouting green talking points.
Green talking points? China’s thirst for oil going through the roof is hardly a green talking point. Two centuries of oil? I used to be an engineer on a seismograph ship. We searched the floor of the ocean for oil reserves. Would you like to know the truth about how much is left, or is Exxon/Mobil’s word good enough for you? Regardless of who you believe, it is a finite resource, and we have already burned up more of it than we have left. Sure, we could start drilling every where there is oil, but it would only delay the inevitable for a little while. We need an alternative and we need it sooner, rather than later. Without total energy independence, any country is at risk. All it takes is for someone to close off a valve. It is no accident that there is a parade of super tankers hauling in crude from the middle east to our shores every day. It is also no accident that BP was drilling in 5,000 feet of water when the blow out valve failed. The easy to get oil is gone.
Lepage so thin skinned, his blame and complain regime has been the biggest debacle and embarrassment that Maine has ever seen. Take away all his power by voting out all republicans.
Begin with his biggest lap-dog, vote out Garrett Mason!
There is NO money left to play Liberal games,.
Republicans tried playing the game and now Maine is the laughing stalk of the country because of liepage and his neocons.
Funny how he talks about energy costing us more than lays the blame on people. It’s a fact for me that LePage’s policy cost me $900/month on his changes to the Pension System. You don’t here him saying anything about that do you?
His insurance “reform” has also cost rural and elderly rate payers an enormous amount.
Fib
True:
http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2012/09/22/health/report-claims-state-health-insurance-reform-not-working/
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… and the parts that may save us money some day – were all part of Obamacare anyway!
The Republic of Maine doesn’t need the Feds telling them what to do.
and you never will.because his bennies will still carry on after he is out of office.The people will still bear the brunt of his bennies long after he is gone
Some bennies I’ll get at $900 less a month.
Subject: [bdn] Re: LePage blames Obama, Angus King for Maine’s higher energy costs
Ill bet he doesnt lose anything from his paycheck or insurance
Before you believe a liberal politicans promises how they will take care of you for life, DO THE MATH..
Trust me I have done the math. LePage screwed retirees out of millions so the rest of you got a tax break that didn’t amount to a hill of beans for a middle class family but $thousands of $ for the rich.
Subject: [bdn] Re: LePage blames Obama, Angus King for Maine’s higher energy costs
It is Obamas and Angus fault. Forcing the rate payers to pay for wind energy because it can’t pay for it’s self is costing the the poor and middle in electric cost..
And what are they suppose to rely on more gas and oil so we are more reliant on the middle east or coal to pollute the air?
Subject: [bdn] Re: LePage blames Obama, Angus King for Maine’s higher energy costs
hydro electric dam will last for a couple hundred year, windmill tops 15 years.
Hydro is the way to go, Maine has so many rivers…Wind is a farce..
And where are you still going to build a dam in Maine? Last I saw most of the rivers had plenty.
Subject: [bdn] Re: LePage blames Obama, Angus King for Maine’s higher energy costs
As a state retiree I have a different view. McKernan started this mess and King, Baldacci just kicked the can down the road. It was a problem they didn’t want to deal with. Might upset the state employees unions. Don’t want to lose those votes. I don’t like losing thousands of dollars either. But that’s better then being told in a few years the pension system is out of money, BROKE! If someone has a better idea then LePage about this…would love to hear it.
Thanks for sharing first hand information……
Grampy sounds like a smart man… He has knowledge..
it was never going to go broke. They used the downturn in the economy to look at the investments to tell everyone it was in crisis. Now that the Stock markets has doubled there is more money in the system than ever. In fact The Retirement System has already told the Legislature that they will need $80 million dollars less than expect over the next two years Will they use that money to pay down the debt no or give back what was taken no.
Subject: [bdn] Re: LePage blames Obama, Angus King for Maine’s higher energy costs
For the past 35 years nothing in Maine happened without the consent of the public employees unions, including the unsustainable benefits for public pensions during the 35 years of Dem rule. Now the public employees want everyone to think they were innocent bystanders when they were actually driving the bus the whole time.
Yep if have your talking points right from Fox News. Your wrong of course and won’t admit it. When your ready to open your eyes maybe we could have an intelligent conversation on the matter. Union had nothing to do with the problems in the Pension system. It was the politicians who never funded the program. They always wanted the cheapest way out. For the 28 years I was in the system not once were the benefits enhanced only downgraded.
Subject: [bdn] Re: LePage blames Obama, Angus King for Maine’s higher energy costs
Keep telling yourself that. The state employees union controlled the Maine Dems and the Dems controlled Maine for 35 years.
Maybe the reason that the benefits were downgraded is that the employees weren’t worth what they were being compensated at. These are the same employees who “lost” hundreds of millions at DHHS and who gave us the failed Mainecare computer billing system (not once but twice at a loss of $140,000,000) to name just two instances of state employee incompetence.
Once again your wrong as the failed Computer Programs for Mainecare came from outside contractors not State Employees. State Employees could have done it better and cheaper.
Subject: [bdn] Re: LePage blames Obama, Angus King for Maine’s higher energy costs
That is why Big Paul is the “Worst” Governor ever elected in the history of Maine to date. He wins big and that is not a “lie”.
The way out of the constantly higher cost of energy syndrome is to make the switch to electricity produced from renewable sources. What we do instead is to do what we always do. Drill more. Same results. Higher costs.
Call up the electic company Tuesday morning and Switch to wind energy supply. have at it, come on be green, you know you want to.
Rip more dams out. LOL
Wind will not reduce the use of oil one drop!!!!!!!
Wrong. That is why the oil industry is pushing back against renewables. That is why the oil industry supports bogus science to dispute climate change.
Mike . . . . since we don’t use electricity to drive our cars, or heat our homes, or make our electricity, Wind power will not save a drop of oil. In fact, we have to keep the gas, hydro, and other power plants operating 24/7/365 to cover the fact that wind is not reliable. Wind does not save us from CO2 emmissions, in fact it can be argued that wind will produce more CO2 due the the inefficient use of regular plants and the amount of trees cut down for the wind projects. Those trees would sequester more CO2 than the turbines save. Keep trying . . . the oil industry gets a fraction of the subsidies that are given to the wind industry.
Big corporations buy electricity in bulk and get a breat for that.
I respect Paul for speaking the truth..
So many politicans don’t remember what they said yeterday because of the constant lies… I once heard a politican say that he saw workers walking through 4 feet of snow trying to finish the Hamond St bridge.. When the truth was they had stopped working for the winter and everybody knew that he was lying… I then realized liberal politicans were compelled to lie even if everyone knew the truth. Funny bunch.
Common handler response from a Repub who are the master of the lie. Their personal saying is IF YOU BELIEVE IT – IT IS NOT A LIE. Repub handlers are well paid by the American Heritage group and their master Karl (Turd Blossom) Rove. Write it down.
I’m a Democrat, It’s is way different then being a liberal..
We do not need alternative sources of energy.
We need to continue to buy our oil from the Middle East so that Muslim Sharia law can take over the world.
I’m Paul LePage and I support this message.
Our Electric energy in Maine does not come from middle East Oil.. But you know that already.
It’s all relative, but then again, you know that.
I think most people dont know that….Coal is a major source for electic…
Keep up the great work Mr. LePage, another 6 yrs and get Maine back on track..
Which reminds me of the childhood ditty.
“Oh there’s a brown ring around his nose, and it grows and grows and grows”
Thats funny..Never heard that one..
Well, a quick glance in the mirror might get you a look at it.
You are Hillarious….Lets hear another..
Sorry, you’ve been shut off. Come back tomorrow and don’t drive.
Ok….
I might take Governor LePage’s statistics more seriously if they weren’t always coming from conservative “think” tanks like the Maine Heritage Center. By only using their data, issue after issue, he comes off looking like a shill for the Kochs and Sheldon Adelson. If that’s the look he’s going for, job well done. If he is looking to be a governor who can speak for all of this state, not so much.
I want to know when OBAMA ever used statistic from any think tanks that were NOT LIBERAL?
The Congressional Budget Office and Bureau of Labor Statistics are nonpartisan. That’s two. But only if you believe that pigs don’t fly.
WOW, a perfect synopsis of why our energy costs so much!
Shows you how much more learned our Governor has become after only two years; and both represents the views of mainstream voters and those of the progressive visionaries he’s appointed to run and advise the State Energy Office.
Voters expected oil prices to go down with the ‘liberation’ of Iraq and Libya….never happened did it?
Voters expected oodles of clean energy at a reasonable price from Wind Farms….never happened did it, although we now have a sweeping conversion over to natural gas as the local backup to replace failing wind power.
Charlie Summers would be wise to fully back LePage’s view since it is the mainstream view of Maine voters.
Independent polls show Mainers support increased investment in wind by 70+%.
Sarcasm??? I hope…
Don’t recognize the truth? Mainers support is consistent and very, very strong. Opposing wind development puts a politician far outside the norm in this state.
http://windforme.org/pdfs/2011pollresults.pdf
http://www.sunjournal.com/our-view/story/872773
http://www.nrcm.org/bv.asp?blob=173
http://www.nrcm.org/bv.asp?blob=177
Where did you take that poll, at the common ground fair?
I didn’t take the poll and it was statewide run by a professional polling firm.
Visit upstate New York and Penna. and you’ll see how fast natural gas extraction has replaced wind farms. Native natural gas is now being introduced as a primary fuel for Maine fleets thanks to the Portland Council of Governments.
Soon those places will be importing clean water.
They come from the U.S. Dept. of Energy and other official sources. The HERITAGE foundation prides itself on the quality of its research; so your blanket condemnation is falling on deaf ears. ….and you call yourself a teacher?????
Anyone surprised? Could La Page argue anything else? Does reason mater? Is this anything more then a shouting match to stir the trolls on either side of the Isle?
There is no substance here. Its predominantly useless political barking, which is apparently all we can hope for from the people we elect.
“Homeowners will pay $85 more per year on their electricity bill”
I’m ok with paying a few cents more per day to ensure that a significant portion of my electricity comes from clean, renewable sources.
Yup, but there are many who are penny wise pound foolish.
Pay mine OK?
exactly
By the way, $85 divided over an entire year is just over 23 cents a day.
For those of us with below average electric bills (mine is about $45/month) the additional cost is probably even lower.
I want to encourage anyone who supports wind farms and wind power to change your power source to wind power. Call Bangor hydro or vist their web sight and they will tell you how.. they will do it all for you. there will be no interuptions whatsoever. It’s simple. Here is their web site with all the instructions, come on folk be clean be green… http://www.bangorhydro.com/index.cfm and here is cmp’s http://www.cmpco.com/YourHome/pricing/energySupply.html
I won’t be buying wind power a 3 time the cost.. It’s a choice I can make. yet Angus wants to go to washington to take away your choice of where you buy you power supply and force everyone to pay 3 times the cost for wind power
Electricity rates will go up 8% due to renewables. How much will electricity rates go up because of higher oil prices, over 5 years? A multiple of 8%. The jokester’s argument doesn’t work.
The cost of energy produced from fossil fuels has risen at an annual rate of 7.9% over the past 10 years. The cost to produce electricity from solar has dropped by 10% annually for 6 years. In the long run renewable energy will be much cheaper. The 7.9% dose not include the environmental damage caused by burning fossil fuels.
We use oil for 0.5% of our electricity. Your rates obviously do not include natural gas, which we do use to generate electricity.
We use oil for less than 1/2 of 1 percent (0.5%) of our electricity in Maine. Oil prices would have to increase 1700% to increase electric rates 8%. Anyone with a brain would realize that we would stop using oil for electricity at those prices.
In obamas own words, http://youtu.be/CNSZ62xiD4M
Ugh, I loooooooove remarks taken out of context too!
If Lepage got caught telling the truth, he would come up with a republican lie to cover it.
How original.
let’s see if wind and solar could survive without government subsidies and Production Tax Credits..in Europe they are realizing the same thing..costs go up, citizens suffer and greedy politicians make money off the scam. Please do your homework..wind will NOT get us off foreign oil or reduce CO2 emissions. Wind is NOT clean and NOT renewable..see the movie WINDFALL or google wind turbines and toxicity..not to mention the bats and birds killed and the humans harmed from them
So why does big oil need subsidies then? Why do farms need subsidies then?
You are kidding? Can you please site your sources for the comments regarding renewable energy in Europe. Europe is moving aggressively toward 100% energy from renewables.
You are wrong again. Spain is broke because of wind, the UK has just cut subsidies, Italy lost 3.8 jobs for every one created by wind, Spain lost 2.5 and their unemployment rate is 25+%, Wales and Scotland has just put a moritorium on new wind development, and after 30+years, wind still only makes up 2% of their power needs. Get your facts straight Mike.
Jim,
Your reading propaganda put out by the fossil fuel industry.
Moving forward cramps you up, but you will get used to it when it starts working out for ya!
If the Koch brothers owned a couple of wind farms he’d be singing wind powers praises!
They know better than to invest in a losing business
T. Boone Pickens owned almost $300 million in wind farms. He has a whole bunch of them for sale. His quote to MSNBC . . . . “I lost my a** in wind. You can’t make any money.”
Seems the more you cut back on your energy usage, the less you’re rewarded for your efforts. You use less, yet the bills keep increasing. That’s just not the way economizing is supposed to work, is it?
LePage is a ONE term GOP bonehead…!!!
Kind of like Mr. Obama, his days as President are coming to an end…
HA! That’s what you think!!!
As a business owner, I appreciate that Governor LePage is looking out for business interests in this state. Energy costs are the biggest obstacle to our bottom line. We tied into natural gas this spring and are saving 60% of heating costs which is huge. Our electricity rates just jumped due to the unnecessary beefing up of transmission lines by CMP (owned by Iberdrola of Spain, NOT Maine) to serve outlying, remotely sited (and completely unnecessary) proposed industrial wind facilities on our mountains and ridge lines. Hydro power needs to be reclassified as a renewable. Special interest groups should not be allowed to control our legislature and bankrupt this state. The PUC should be looking out for the ratepayer. We don’t need industrial wind, but we do need tourism’s ten billion dollar boost to our economy. Keep Maine beautiful, and keep Maine businesses healthy!
Keep Maine business healthy is true, but we must do it the 21 century version. We can’t go backwards because it is easy, we must go forward because it’s hard and prosperous. If the republicans will forget the old policies of the past and help us move forward, we will all be better off.
This is the first time in 40 years that we have had an honest Governor.. The liberals who I maght add, who have kidnaped my party (democrat) Are lost and freaked out that a politican can stand there and tell the truth… The concept is unheard of in the liberal party, thus the anger… Ask any liberal to research windpower.. They won’t for fear, yes FEAR of the TRUTH.. OIL/WATER=liberal/truth.
Our Governor is correct; Obama & King are very much the problem…!
Obama has come out and said he would like very much to see $7.00 per gal for gas, and King, much like Baldacci, has been lining his pocket with wind m0ney.
I don’t believe a word that comes out of Gov LePage’s mouth! He is always politically motivated with his nose stuck up the tea parties arse! LePage only wants personal gain..notoriety and financial… He’s gonna leave office with his pockets full and Maine is going to be in the worst mess we have have been in. Wait and see… the proof is in the pudding. The Maine Heritage Policy Center is no different. I ignore everything they put out… never truth..
You obviously have confused LePage with King.
Where the 90 billion really went….The $90 billion, from the 2009 stimulus bill, isn’t really “breaks,” says Rachel Weiner at The Washington Post. It’s a combination of loans, loan guarantees, and grants, spread out over several years. “Furthermore, not all of the money went to the ‘green energy world'” — $23 billion went toward “clean coal,” cleaning up nuclear waste, and updating the power grid. And Romney’s claim that half the green-energy companies that received federal loans have failed is “a gross overstatement,” says John M. Broder at The New York Times. Only three of the nearly three dozen loan recipients are currently in bankruptcy, “although several others are facing financial difficulties.”
The only real govt subsidy has been going to Obama’s losers. You know, the solar company fiasco that the tax payer has footed the bill for? Oil companies like a lot of other businesses take tax deductions just like any other business or tax payer for that matter. The tax payer is not giving a dime to oil companies…that is propaganda that this admin tries to use. They misuse the word subsidy and make it to be what it isn’t. What should be done is to overhaul the TAX CODE for EVERYONE and stop the lying about oil companies getting “subsidies”. I guess Obama missed being tutored by Romney on that one during the debate. Ah heck…Obama missed the debate completely.
He’s correct. Next…..
More lies. Just like man rode Dinosaurs 5000 years ago during the Pharaohs reign. Maybe the real problem is buying expensive electricity from foreign owned CMP and Bangor Hydro. All the profits go to Spain and Canada. More Republican lies from Fatso, Lyin Ryan and Flip the Liar Romney.
People who promote wind and solar energy, really don’t care how much the rest of us have to pay to heat our homes. Angus knew when he promoted green energy he would make a killing from wind power.
How are we doing here, I see there are folks still sulking from Wed… Time to move on folks..
Maine Heritage Policy Center and Beacon Hill? Now there is a couple of neutral organizations to base results on. Who were the Economics experts that did the study? Keep pushing those coal fired plants, Paul, the Kroch Bros appreciate it.
If Maine wants cheap electricity it can build coal fired generators along the coast. Bring the coal in by barge and dump the ash in the Gulf of Maine. The Koch Brothers and Republican Tea Party would approve.
As much as i hate to say it and believe me i do hate to say it but here goes!! “”””Liepage is right on this one.. “””” Darn that hurt.. But didn’t i read somewhere that these big wind farms were gonna cost us more at first then it was to bring our prices down a percentage and getting greater percentage discount till it hits a peak but first we had to pay for them going up or something.. I cant remember if i read that or someone told me that..
I know that hurt…but your post is welcomed as coming from your personal profile of courage (to borrow from JFK all those years ago) and you have earned the respect due to you.
Mainer, thank you.
It is ok, nice to see someone admitt that Mr. LePage is the best Gov that Maine has seen.
Foghorn Leghorn crows . . . again . . . as usual.
That would be Mr. LePage to you.
I love the photo, hands up Lepage, for declaring war on the poor, sick and hurting.
ROMNEY / RYAN 2012 !!!!!!!!!!
The extra $7.10 I pay every month for solar, wind, and other domestically sourced renewables is a lot cheaper than equipping, training, and sending an American soldier, sailor, or marine to the big sand box to fight and potentially to die to secure dirty energy on my behalf.
If someone in the Whitehouse would let us drill
for more oil in the states—and would stop shutting down coal
production—maybe we wouldn’t be fighting overseas at all.
Oil companies have the permits. They are being allowed to drill. Granted there could probably be more, but not enough to substantially reduce gas prices. We are never going to be awash in petroleum again like we used to be. It just makes sense to look at alternatives.
The USA has been increasing the production of oil during the Obama administration. In 2008, the last year of the Bush administration, the US produced 1.83 billion barrels of oil. In 2009, the first year of Obama’s presidency, that figure increased to 1.95 billion. In 2010 it was 2.00 billion and in 2011 it was 2.07 billion barrels.
The Wall Street Journal in September of this year had an article on how the slowdown in China’s economy was taking a “brutal” toll on the coal industry in Appalachia. It sounds like we are producing as much coal as can be profitably sold right now. Coal production was 1.17 million short tons in 2008, 1.07 in 2009, and 1.09 in 2010. Production remained at 1.09 million short tons in 2011. It doesn’t look like coal mining is being shut down at all.
Increase in oil production is true, but only because of private lands being developed. Obama has drastically curtailed government land exploration. He is not helping the industry one bit. His efforts to kill coal fired generators is what I was referring to as shutting down the coal mines. Coal burning is being curtailed with massive new regulations being imposed now, and soon to be imposed later, by the growing EPA. So your numbers for steady coal production may plummet shortly, under this administration. I would suggest that increased exports are the only things that have offset what would have been a decline during this administration already. As for solar and wind, they are both exploiting the people by not bringing down their costs and with false claims of what they offer. Do a search for “true wind power costs” and read some of the facts. Check out wind-watch.org and places like that. Most turbines produce only 1/3 of there rated capacity, once in place. I believe it’s in Norway that their solution is to build turbines bigger (those things are HUGE!!) —thus making turbines of a few years ago obsolete. We can’t afford such huge turn-over costs, with little electrical benefit.
We make a tiny portion of our electricity from oil in the US.
Amazed, that people don’t like being treated the same way they treated people for 40 years.. The federal reserve note is almost worthless. That will wake you up.
Hey, you can get on Bangorian but let’s refrain from picking on those cannot defend themselves. Your attack on SpruceDweller is like Hitler’s speech to the Reichstag in favor of the Enabling Act on the 23rd of March, 1933 where SpruceDweller represents the Social Democrats. Hitler was a monster but on that day, he eviscerated the opposition.
The more you talk, the better those you insult look. You’re not doing the Republicans any favors.
Truth hurts……To let you know, I’m Independant…..leaning Libertarian.
Vote Democrat in 2012! Down with the Tea Party and the party of “NO”. I will never vote for another Republican….. Lies Lies Lies
If you’re against liars than you should never vote again. I’ve yet to see anyone that doesn’t dip into the pool of lies at least a little. I’m sure they all do it in order to win, but justify it by wanting to do some real good for the people. Then there are those pathological liars that hog the whole pool in order to glorify themselves. We already have one of those in the Whitehouse. So I’ll be voting to opt for something different this time. Perhaps you should too.
Vote Colleen Quint for Maine Senate and vote out Garrett Mason. Mason is a mindless lepage drone who has vote 100% for the lepage regime.
If you don’t want lies then how can you vote Democrat.
The Gov. is right on. If you don’t like what he says, then maybe YOU should
run for office.
Lepage does as the Koch brothers say. Just as Garrett Mason does as lepage says.
Meanwhile King has picked your pocket while you were busy shouting at the Koch brothers.
I totally hear you but see little that would do the job. Wind and solar are really a farce, as you need to keep generating facilities idling and ready to go online the minute the sun or wind stop. I just responded to another person of how I hate to think of nuke. I did the math to suggest we would need 750 nuke plants. They have a limited life too—not to mention the dangers. In my mind tidal is the only source that will be there forever—and runs whether it’s sunny or windy or not. But we will never want to hurt the clams. Plus it amazes me that we are going crazy tearing out dams instead of building more. But people want the fish to come back to the rivers so they can catch them. Hope they don’t mind eating them in the dark!
Wind and solar are not a farce. Yes there will be time when they produce less, but I think a combination of wind,solar and tidal would be great. when one is down one of two others are up. Nukes? No thank you!! way to much risk
I’m glad to hear you are against nuke power too. We don’t need 10-15 plants in Maine. We had enough trouble with one!! But if you have some facts that back up wind power as being a good alternative I would honestly be interested in hearing them. Most my research has show that they rarely even produce what they claim they will. I believe the industry recognizes that most turbines produce only a 1/3 of what people think will come out of them. Here in Maine they don’t run steadily. There always has to be back-up generators waiting to take the load. That means idling and ready to go online in a split second. There is no saving in that. They don’t pay for themselves before they have to be repaired or replaced. Now hydro is there all the time, but we are tearing them down —so people can have the fish return to catch. I hope they like eating fish in the dark! So again—-please let me know why you think wind is efficient and economical and not just a load of “crap” being sold to the public for personal economic gains.
DO”NT BE BLINDED BY LEPAGE TELLING THE TRUTH.
I notice that the power company gets completely absolved of all blame. Now if energy prices had gone down, the governor would given them all the credit. But then how much money have they provided for his election campaign? Like any other politician, he is bought and paid for.
Imagine at the beginning of the 20th Century, the then governor decided that coal power steam was good enough. We would be dying of the level of smog, never have developed automobiles, trucks, airplanes, would have never had rockets nor the technology, including our satellite communications. As our need for energy continues to increase, we cannot not afford to stay with 20th century technology but must develop and replace it with something better.The cost of electricity will go up no matter what we do, do we want to stick with the increasingly archaic technology of the past, or do we want better, cleaner, source in the near future. We can’t be cut off from the wind or sun. Nor can anyone charge us for it.I am not even middle class, but I knew what I wanted and I got it. When my electric bill started to climb, I began buying as many solar panels as I could affod to buy out right. Years later I have 96 solar panels, debt free, and no longer worry about increasing electric rates. Far past time to move into the 21st Century folks.
Tellin’ it like it is… for better or worse. This time for the better. Time for a nuke in Washington County. Great jobs, good clean energy.
They are currently building 2 new nuclear plants in Florida for $22 billion – and they charge ratepayers to fund its construction.Building a new nuclear plant in Maine would cost more than $10 billion – and the cost for electricity from that plant would be economically prohibitive.
Taxpayers are paying $10 million a year to babysit spent fuel from Maine Yankee – even though it hasn’t produced a microwatt of electricity since 1996.
Over the next decade, taxpayers will spend $100 million to babysit that spent fuel.
In contrast, new wind power capacity ($1200 per kW) is far cheaper than new nuclear (8-10,000 per kW) and wind power has no fuel or spent fuel costs.
More evidence that conservatives should never be allowed to dictate energy policy.
Yessah
If you want to lower energy costs, you have to at least have an interest in finding ways to lower them. Whether it be traditional or alternative. Though in a free market society I do not believe that one person whether it be President, Governor, etc. can be responsible for whether or not prices rise or fall.
Wow really!!!!! Our great Governor!!!!!!
Obama and King put us at the end of the country?…..I blame McKernan and Nixon and Snowe and Collins, etc… this is just more Maine Heritage
Policy Center stuff, those two guys in that rented room from out of state funded by the Koch Brothers.
The gov loves to rant…..two more years and he can rant to himself in that rented room and the papers will stop publishing their rants as news.
Blah Blah Blah!
Personally I feel that oil should NOT BE on the commodities speculation list. The panic drives the prices through the roof.
yes, we have controlls on milk , OJ, pork bellies but not fuel. WHY??
Even if he is right about the costs, there is nothing wrong with us attempting to use more renewable energy sources and lessening our dependence on foreign oil. Maybe we need to get even better at not wasting energy, since we let the profit takers run amok anyway.
Another teacher who thinks that we actually use a significant amount of oil to produce electricity. Man you can not make this stuff up.
How about we drill domestic oil. That would reduce our dependence and if we drill enough then we can export the excess. Better to have money coming into the country and domestic jobs than going out
US oil production is UP under Obama and dependence on foreign oil has declined below 50% for the first time in years.
The Bush administration estimated that if we opened all the US continental shelves to oil and gas production, it would increase domestic production by only 200,000 barrels per day.
At that time the US was using 20 million barrels of oil a day.
Do the math.
Drill Baby Drill is Stupid Baby Stupid.
Yessah
FINALLY!! Someone is willing to admit we can’t continue to pay these high energy prices and that is what is making the economy continue to struggle. Thank you Governor LePage. Give it to them!!
We now live in an era where the truth is vilified. This is a 100% accurate statement, so what is the issue? I guess some folks want to be lied to in order to feel better about things! Thanks Governor for being a straight shooter without spin!
Why don’t you do something about it? Maybe put a maximum pump price for all fuels. You have a state min for milk prices, so why not a Max for fuels??
it’s only monday and i already have my weekly ‘laughable’ lepage comment ! you can take the rest of the week off and go bully some kids at the playground.
Maine needs a moratorium on GRID scale WIND.
Maine needs 1000 MW of onshore wind capacity – 3000 MW of offshore wind capacity, 100 MW of tidal power and 800 MW of photovoltaic capacity.
Not silly moratoriums.
Yessah
The state and country are going over the cliff and all you people want to do is blame the other party, How about fixing the frigin proublem insteed of blaming the other guy, Oh I know I’m going to get alot of feed back from the usual massholes for this, but I don’t care I do’nt read thier crap any way!!!
The only thing “Green” about “Green” or renewable energy is the color of the money being handed over to big business. Wind turbines are a high cost, inefficient, ugly way to produce electricity. Maine needs more natural gas pipelines throughout the State.
Environmentalist=High energy cost
Liberals=High energy cost
Democrats=High energy cost
Under George W. Bush, crude oil prices climbed to $140 a barrel – gasoline prices spiked at over $4 a gallon.
Conservatives were silent then.
When the GOP and Bush crashed the economy – gasoline prices plunged.
One can only conclude that the conservative Rmoney/GOP plan to keep gasoline prices “cheap” is to destroy the economy.
Fortunately, voters will not give them that chance again.
Yessah
If we are serious about lowering all of Maine’s heat bill, State Government should get rid of the RPS Law and get the Natural Gas Line debacle fixed and move forward on getting Natural Gas to all Businesses and homes. When everyone’s energy bill goes down we will all benefit with more money in our pockets and attract good paying jobs to our State.
I’m all for free enterprise, so the next time Exxon/Mobil needs to keep its supply lines open I suggest they contract with Blackwater for 250,000 troops and all the weapons they will need to go fight in the Sand Box. I’m sure the TEA party won’t mind paying $25 a gallon for gasoline and fuel oil. The next time someone builds a nuke, let’s see them do with with private investors’ money without a taxpayer bailout guarantee or taxpayer-funded insurance.
Until then I don’t mind tax dollars being invested in domestic spending on conservation, renewable energy and electric cars.
lepage is a stupid idiet and should be taken out of office and should never be involvved with our states again
Classic MHPC propaganda. 8% in 5 years that’s less than the inflation rate.What has Gov. Big Mouth done not talk but done about high energy costs? Nothing. This is another of the Republican Party’s lame attempt to shift the blame for their failures to others.
P.S. The windtaskforce is a group of rightwing loonies – Birthers. They are right though in that Wind Turbines in populated areas of western maine make no sense. But trying to make them out as non-partisan is a complete joke.
A Maine Heritage Policy Institute study – LOL!
According to the Governor’s own task force, Maine’s Rollins wind project produces electricity at $53 per MWh – that’s 5.3 cents per kWh.
LePage wants to buy electricity from his buddies at Hydro Quebec.
Vermont pays $69 per MWh for electricity from Hydro Quebec.
Thank you wind developers for keeping Maine’s electricity prices the lowest in New England.
Yessah
Numbers are coool Munebagt. Let’s run these. If our electricity is usually around 15.3 cents an hour, then getting it for 5.3 means we save 10 cents a KWH or $100 a MWH. But wait…we haven’t factored in the cost of the 41 wind turbines at 130 million dollars. So let’s pay that off with our $100 saving. Hmmm 13 million divided by 100 equals 130,000 hours to pay them off. 130,000 divided by 24 equals 5,416 days divided by 365 equals 14.84 YEARS. Suddenly 6.9 cent Canadian Hydro is looking pretty good to me. Plus I’m guessing those 41 turbines are going to need a LOT of repairs within 15 years. Yup—thank you Paul for trying to keep those out of our back yards. Wind turbines are about turbine people making money—-not you and I saving it. Remember Main Yankee’s slogan… “Power so cheap you wouldn’t need a meter on your house” but then we learned that they were allowed to make a percentage above what the spent in running it. So the more they spent—the more they charged us—and the more THEY made!! They LOVED doing repairs!!
Oops munebaght—I made a typo in my explanation. I meant to say we pay roughly 15.3 cents a KWH–not an hour. So please understand that we would have to STILL pay the 15.3 cents until the wind turbines were paid off in 15-20 years, adding in repairs. Only THEN would we start paying 5.3 cents. But do you honestly think they would last that long. That’s why I said—it’s about companies making money—oh—and ANGUS. It’s not about us saving.
That makes no sense whatsoever – how does getting rid of Maine’s RPS supposed to reduce heating oil costs?
It doesn’t – making natural gas available to consumers has nothing to do with the RPS.
Yessah
The grapefruits are growing Gov. Lepage.
The grapefruits are growing Gov. Lepage.
(This was supposed to be a reply to someone’s post: ROMNEY/RYAN 2012. Sometimes things don’t turn out as expected.)
Romney is an empty suit. What has he ever said that he didn’t consequently change his position on? He portrayed himself as a moderate governor of Massachusetts, a severely conservative candidate for the Republican nomination, and now, using his Etch-a-Sketch approach, he is once again pretending to be a moderate. Who can believe anything he says? I think conservatives should be very alarmed unless they see him as a president who will sign what they put in front of him.
Here is what Grover Norquist had to say earlier this year about a prospective president. “We just need a president who can sign the legislation that the
Republican House and Senate pass. … We don’t need someone to think. … We
need someone who knows how to hold a pen.” I wonder how Mitt Romney would react to being characterized as someone who just knows how to hold a pen?
Oh Yes LeBUFFOON go ahead again and cite reports from your PUPPET MASTERS, the Maine Heritage RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA Center. You are a walking joke.
LePage is so concerned about the issue that he waits until a month before the election that his buddy Summers is losing to trash Angus King for something that was done well 0ver a decade ago. Classy as always.
LePage is so concerned about the issue that he waits until a month
before the election that his buddy Summers is losing to trash Angus King
for something that was done well 0ver a decade ago. Classy as always.
This is just a political pronouncement by Governor LePage. It must have been a slow day at the Blaine House. I can just picture Governor LePage, idly bouncing a tennis ball off the wall, thinking about how many days it has been since he made the front page. “Get me the Maine Heritage Policy Center,” he tells his secretary, “and my ALEC checklist. Then call the news.”