BANGOR, Maine — Penobscot County commissioners voted 2-1 Tuesday over the objections of Commissioner Peter Baldacci to oppose Roxanne Quimby’s proposed national park.
With Baldacci saying that the commission should hear first from Quimby or her son Lucas St. Clair, two commissioners opted to join the state Legislature, both U.S. senators and U.S. Rep. Mike Michaud of East Millinocket in opposing the park.
Commission Chairman Tom Davis and Commissioner Stephen Stanley said they found it unnecessary to discuss the well-known issue further. Both described a national park as an unnecessary addition to Baxter State Park and doubted that it would contribute enough to the county economy to offset the incursion of federal authority it would bring.
Davis said he has visited more than 20 national parks and has not seen the communities around them as particularly prosperous. Many are based on lands lacking other uses or industries, such as Death Valley and Yosemite National Park, while the land around Baxter is vital to the Maine forest products industry.
“Personally I feel it would add just another nail to the coffin of the Katahdin area with the businesses that we have there,” Stanley said. “I don’t see that this [park plan] is a proposal that will benefit the county and I don’t see where it is a benefit to the people who work in the Katahdin area.”
“It isn’t just the mills” in that region, Davis said, “but the amount of jobs that go to back that mill job up.”
St. Clair wrote in a letter dated Sunday to the commission that officials from Elliotsville Plantation Inc., the nonprofit foundation he describes as working to conserve land and preserve open spaces for public benefit, should meet with commissioners to hear their concerns before a decision is made.
“Elliotsville is in the process of evaluating the possibilities for the future of our property, with an emphasis on options that preserve access for the future use and enjoyment of all Mainers for hunting, fishing, snowmobiling and other outdoor recreation,” St. Clair, president of the foundation’s board of directors, said in the letter.
“We believe such a request is a reasonable one for any property owner to make whenever an outside group wants to bring the subject of a property owner’s lands before a governing body such as the commission,” the letter continues.
When reached Tuesday afternoon, St. Clair said he was digesting the news and hoped to speak or release a statement later Tuesday.
Millinocket Town Manager Eugene Conlogue argued for the commission’s eventual decision and for a proposal from the Maine Woods Coalition, an organization he also represented at the commission meeting. Following Conlogue’s request, the commission agreed to form a committee with local officials that under federal law would act as a voice equal to the National Park Service and any other federal agency that might come into northern Penobscot County to advocate for a federal park.
“We think that we have to get a very solid seat at that national table in order to have a position to deal with federal government on an equal basis and also to be in opposition to a national park or some other national use in that area,” Conlogue said during the meeting.
Millinocket leaders and members of the Maine Woods Coalition have opposed Quimby’s proposal to give about 70,000 acres she owns or will own to the National Park Service for a national park in 2016 and to create another 30,000-acre area for motorized recreational usage.
Park supporters have said that a study would be the best means of determining the suitability of Quimby’s land for a park. A park could provide a vast new revenue stream for the economically depressed region, they say, and a $40 million endowment Quimby plans to provide, including $20 million she hopes to raise with a national campaign, would cover park maintenance and operation costs.
Opponents challenge the credibility of a national park study and are skeptical of statements made by Quimby and federal officials that a park would not grow beyond 70,000 acres. They say federal authority would infringe on local government and threaten the state’s forest products industry.
Conlogue argued Tuesday that the proposal would cost the county for increased police and infrastructure service, including maintenance for roads leading to the park. It also would deprive the county of taxes derived from Quimby’s lands. Quimby also has discussed creating a 70,000-acre recreational area that also would be under federal control and would feature most every form of motorized recreational usage, he said. It was not clear whether that would supplant the 30,000-acre recreational area proposal she previously made.
Baldacci chided Conlogue for arguing that the 70,000-acre park would eventually morph into a 3.2-million-acre park advocated by a group called RESTORE: The North Woods more than a decade ago.
“My concern is that you are mixing things that you shouldn’t necessarily do,” Baldacci said. “I don’t think it’s accurate to connect the future of the mills [of Penobscot County] to a 70,000-acre national park proposal. That’s why you are bringing up RESTORE but RESTORE is not the proposal that anyone is proposing and I think it is agreed that it has no support.”
Baldacci rejected commissioners’ arguments that a national park would duplicate Baxter State Park. He disagreed that the committee the commission would form should automatically be opposed to a national park.
“Your argument is to look at Baxter State Park and that [Quimby’s plan] as the same thing. I am not sure this [national park] would have enough traction to be a national park,” Baldacci said. “Baxter State Park is beautiful but it does not provide a big economic benefit to the area because they make wilderness and no development so important” at Baxter.
“A national park is whole different thing,” Baldacci said.
National parks tend to draw more people who explore an area and its businesses far longer than do visitors to Baxter, Baldacci said. Nationally, studies have shown that gateway communities around national parks do quite well, he said.
Among the individuals and entities opposing the park plan and a park study are U.S. Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins; Michaud of East Millinocket; Gov. Paul LePage; the Maine Legislature; and the towns of Millinocket and East Millinocket.
More than a dozen community, business and environmental groups — including several snowmobile clubs, the Katahdin Area Chamber of Commerce and Millinocket’s downtown business association — have publicly supported a feasibility study.
That support undercuts Conlogue’s contention that the park would harm businesses there, Baldacci said.
One survey claimed that 60 percent of Mainers support a park feasibility study. Another poll done by a group opposing the park study claimed the opposite.



Headline: “Fat Cats and Robber Barons Decide – No Park Allowed”
Saw logs to Canada and charcoal to Britain for the rest of it. Fire anyone that doesn’t tow the Corporate line.
The King’s charter granted these lands and waters to them, for their corporate profit, and profit they will. The people of Maine have never regained control from these Fat Cats and Robber Barons. They own the rivers for power and you need a job to stay warm.
They own the land and they are going to turn it into charcoal to ship to Britain. Their idea of beauty in nature is recognized only by the thin row of trees left behind called “beauty strips”. These strips hide their incredible efficiency of altering Maine for their gain.
Gotta love the doobie bros
Did you just get done reading Mitch lanskys book “beyond the beauty strip”? Your knowledge of beauty strips is astounding! Bravo!
You summed it in a nutshell. The mill workers and loggers are living in the past. They think the good times are coming back. Well it ‘s not going to happen. I see jobs in the paper for logging equipment operators doing very dangerous work for $15.50 per hour. paper makers approximately $19.00 an hr. Plus you have layoffs during certain periods. I don’t call this the good paying jobs the towns leaders keep raving about. You are right big corporations will rape more of the land and the the hard working people of Northern Maine will be left holding the bag again wondering how it happened.
THANK GOD
The people in the region who are relying on factory/timber jobs won’t be saying “thank god” when robots replace them:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/business/new-wave-of-adept-robots-is-changing-global-industry.html
It’s only a matter of time. You don’t get it: big business could care less about you, your ancestors, your traditional use of the land, or even what you think. They’re using you to make a profit, and they will destroy your way of life if it suits their needs.
The noble course is to protect the land. The ignoble course is to be greedy.
And as history has shown, over and over, greed destroys.
That robot angle is quite a reach.
Even if the forest products industry dies, that doesn’t mean we’re automatically better off with our now non-working forest resting in federal hands.
I can’t really think of any scenario in which federal control would be better. The feds don’t protect land all that well any how.
Ms Quimby will somehow “sweeten” the pot so the Penobscot County Commissioners will vote in her favor just like she did the Piscataquis County Commissioners did. All it took for Piscataquis was a small piece of land for a parking lot ,that will never be built, and a hand full of money.
Vote might have gone the other way if she threw in the ferris wheel….
Lucas, No one is telling you what you can or cannot do with your land. The NO PARK FOR ME people are stating once again that they do not agree with your agenda. From EPI’s current website:
‘EPI’s ongoing land acquisition efforts, communication with local recreational users to identify their needs, and collaboration with the National Park Service has led Roxanne and her foundation to conclude that federal protection is the best management option for EPI’s lands and the public.
You quite clearly state that federal protection is best for the public. We are voicing disagreement. We do not beleive that federal protection is best for the public. You are the one who is pushing forth with an agenda that has been repeateldy voted down.
She actually does not put forth any money to build it. The endowment is for maintancence and operating cost only. There are no monies supplied for the creation of the park. From her proposal to the NPS:
Yearly operating costs: $2,500,000. Of which the $40,ooo,ooo endowment (which needs to be raised) will provide 4% per year or $1,600,000. The remaining is to be made up of $600,000 in recreational fees and $300,000 from the National Park Service.
This is based on 270,000 vistors per year.
No mention of costs to develop. They love to tout Acadia as an example but this currently does not have roads, bridges, gaurdrails, signage, picnic areas, campgrounds, trails, potable water or sanitation systems. Nor does it have a visitors center, headquarters, staff housing, maintanance facilites and garages. Nor mainatanance equipmetn and safety vehicles. Kisosks, information booths and of course the toll booths needed to collect the fees.
Who pays for all that Lucas? Just asking.
From the proposal:
‘Entrance, camping and commercial use (for example: tour buscs) fees to national parks vary but here it is assumcd that the 7 day per car entrance fce is $20.00, the car accessible campsite fee is $30.00 per night. A local resident seasonal fee is $40.00. Seniors, 62 or over, are entitled to a $10.00 lifetime pass. Without real experience it is difficult to calculate the estimated fee rcvenue. At this time an cstimate ofapproximately 20% on the Acadia National Park fcc revenues are used ($600,000) ‘
Another great one from the proposal: She doesnt even own the access points to the donated land:
‘There are no existing public roads into the property of the proposed park. Current land ownership would allow aulo access to the park’s edge via an EPl-owned right-of-way near Sherman and pedestrian access from the north through Baxter State Park and from the logging roads near Staecyville. Additional auto access routes to and within the park are under consideration. The outcome will depend on land ownership and further planning and consultation.’
It is rather sad that on the 50th anniversary of the acquisition of the last parcel of land for Baxter State Park that the County Commissioners vote down a proposal without hearing directly from those who propose a national park from donated land. It is a proposal, something to be negotiated. Another opportunity lost due to short sighted leadership.
This was done in repsonse to Quimby’s November proposal to the NPS. Has Quimby, St clair or EPI withdrawn the proposal? No they have not.
This is not about telling them what they can and cannot do. It is responding to proposal that most do not agree with.
What is there to see in her so called park beside trees ??
Quimby once stated in public she hated the state of Maine. Then what is she doing here.
I don’t know anyone let alone 390,000 people who want to walk 30k acres of trees. Here is what it would be like, go to the desert and start walking don’t stop for 2 weeks come back and tell me what you saw.
I’ve been through the desert on a horse with no name
It felt good to be out of the rain
In the desert you can remember your name
‘Cause there ain’t no one for to give you no pain
La, la …
Ah yes….America. An oldie but goodie!
Interesting day of disappearing comments. Will check back later.
Where’s Herbie Clark?!?!?!?!? He’s running for the Senate and is already a member of the House of Reps representing this district and he doesn’t SHOW UP? Maybe he WANTS a national park land grab and the mills to die? Maybe he doesn’t care? wow. Wow. WOW.
One of the most important issues facing the region he claims to & wants to represent, and he can’t even be bothered to show up! He must think he’s royalty or something!
Herbie couldn’t even make up his mind about what to wear to the meeting.
NO PARK FOR ME
Thank you Commission Chairman, Tom Davis, Commissioner Stephen Stanley and Gene Conlogue!
Ironic that Baldacci is so uninformed that he is unaware of all the publications and interviews in which Roxanne Quimby has stated many times over the years that her proposal would be the “seed” for RESTORE. Not only that, but she also has discussed her need to “distance herself” from RESTORE in order to push this proposal through. Only a fool would believe it has nothing to do with RESTORE’s 3.2 million acre proposal! Even with that aside, federal control of this area would destroy any hope of economic development and jobs that would pay above minimum wage.
The Quimby “proposal” changes faster than the weather in Maine as Quimby and son try to fool people into letting her have her way. Regardless of any promises they make, once they donate to the federal government, they no longer would own the land or have say as to what happens on it- so in reality, all they are offering to anyone foolish enough to believe, is empty promises.
The survey that gets mentioned over and over in every article about this ALWAYS fails to mention the “60% of Mainers” is ACTUALLY 60% of 600 people randomly polled.
Finally, “SpruceDweller”, ironic you should speak of greed and using to make a profit…
This is starting to look like a very bad Three Stooges episode with Roxy, Lucas, and Mark Leathers as the bumbling characters.
WHOOPWHOOPWHOOP…….wiseguy…….why I aughta……
I think the Three Stooges are Gene C, Doug T and Steve S. You can throw in Mark M for good measure.
Not good news for Matt P. and his minions.
“Elliotsville is in the process of evaluating the possibilities for the future of our property, with an emphasis on options that preserve access for the future use and enjoyment of all Mainers for hunting, fishing, snowmobiling and other outdoor recreation,” St. Clair, president of the foundation’s board of directors, said in the letter.”
Seems to me that all these things EPI wants to accomplish were there when she bought the property.
This access ended with her purchases.
Talk about two faced………..
NO PARK FOR ME
Something to watch out for is how buddy buddy she gets with the Dem Party. Recall back around ’96 when Clinton designated a national park in Utah (Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument) against the opinions and wishes of local people. Lost that state in the election that year also.
If this was such a great an idea as Quimby thinks why does she not ante up her own cash and establish this park as a private one and prove its value? On the idea of “if you build it they will come”.
Don’t just push an unkempt , unmaintained parcel of land with no obvious value on the people of Maine and the Nation. Prove its worth by turning it into the park you think it is capable of being.
Put your money where your mouth is. I know she has put up the cash to purchase the property but really what has she done with it since she purchased it?
Well I guess the Commissioners, like many other have a dream that some day she will give up and sell that land. Right now she owns the land and it is providing very little to the area or it industry. Instead of fight this maybe there is a solution to fill everyones agendas- Why a national park?
I think that a better fit would be a National Forest, this allows logging, hunting and fishing. It is ran by the Forest Service and not the National Parks. They work very well out west in timber country why not here.