GRAND LAKE STREAM, Maine — This little plantation of 109 people in Washington County is known mostly for the great fishing, hunting and other activities it offers to the flocks of outdoorsmen who travel here every year.
But if a recent tradition continues, it also will be the go-to destination for vacationing economists and finance industry insiders, some of whom have gathered at Leen’s Lodge on the shores of West Grand Lake every year for the past two decades.
David Kotok, chairman and chief information officer of Cumberland Advisors in Sarasota, Fla., has been traveling to Grand Lake Stream for 20 years. He began bringing fellow economists along shortly after, and the event has grown ever since. This year, about 50 economists, financial advisers, analysts, hedge fund managers and bankers from around the world arrived with Kotok for the four- to five-day excursion.
They were joined by Gov. Paul LePage and a slew of reporters and news crews from national media outlets, including Bloomberg, National Public Radio, the Wall Street Journal and Dow Jones News. The journalists punctuated the would-be vacation with interviews and news segments shot lakeside.
Kotok said the retreat is a time for the top minds in economics and financial markets to get together to candidly talk shop, debate and discuss the top issues of the day in a place of serene beauty.
On Friday, that meant the July jobs numbers from the U.S. Department of Labor, which showed the unemployment rate unexpectedly rising to 8.3 percent (a loss of about 195,000 jobs), while businesses ramped up hiring to create 163,000 more jobs — far more than economists had predicted.
The economists on hand Friday said it’s dangerous to try to glean too much information from the seemingly contradictory trends in job creation and unemployment claims.
“Any month’s data is a mixture,” Kotok said. “There’s great danger in presuming a trend, but it was stronger than people expected. The stock market obviously celebrated.”
Martin Barnes, chief economist for BCA Research in Montreal, said economic data are sufficiently varied that there is evidence to back up bullish or pessimistic predictions.
“Economists will tell you the numbers mean recovery, but for a lot of people it doesn’t feel like it,” he said, referring to the steady unemployment rate hovering around 8 percent. “It’s still tough out there.”
For the first time, Camp Kotok welcomed Maine’s governor to Leen’s Lodge for dinner. Perhaps because LePage was their guest, those in attendance were hesitant to offer specific opinions on the governor’s plan to hold off on issuing voter-approved bonds until 2014 in an attempt to pay down Maine’s debt. LePage has come under criticism from some lawmakers and towns who say his refusal to borrow money is hurting their recoveries.
Said Kotok: “All other things equal, of course paying down debt is desirable. So one could argue that’s a sound policy.”
John Mousseau is managing director of Kotok’s Cumberland Advisors. He said that even if paying down debt is always a good plan, it makes sense that some individual municipalities take umbrage with LePage’s across-the-board bond freeze.
“All politics are local, and local people want to make local decisions,” he said. “There’s a rationale to [LePage’s stance], but what’s good for Kennebunkport may not be good for Lewiston.”
One municipality that’s not hurting, at least this month, is Grand Lake Stream. The annual finance summit at Leen’s Lodge is a boon for the small town.
One guide on retainer for the finance gurus was Mark Gray of Bangor. He estimated that Kotok’s yearly excursion brings in about $200,000 between lodge fees, food, excursions and guide pay.
“This is a big deal, dollars-and-cents wise,” he said. “It’s a big shot in the arm to the local economy.”
Charles Driza, owner of Leen’s Lodge, said Camp Kotok is the most important event of his year, from a business standpoint.
“It sort of stretches our capacity. David literally fills every bed we’ve got,” Driza said.
“It’s a big buzz around here,” said Deb Cochran, an employee at Pine Tree Store, a trading post a few miles from the lodge. “It brings attention to Grand Lake Stream. If you’re not a fisherman, we’re kind of out of the way. So it’s some good attention.”
According to a local guide, Charles “Kim” Vose, Kotok is all too happy to help. He recalled a conversation he had with Kotok last year that stuck with him.
“Last year, I asked David why he comes back here every year,” he said. “He told me, ‘Because you guys treat us like [expletive]. You make us gut fish, we get eaten by bugs, and you never, ever ask us how much money we make.’”
Kotok said that even though the event gets more attention every year, it still feels like a vacation.
“They keep liking it,” he said of his comrades. “They come back every year.”
Follow Mario Moretto on Twitter at @riocarmine.



Waste of tax payers money . That meeting could be held right at one of the state building in Augusta .
Is it taxpayer funded?
This was a TOTALLY private gathering. The Governor was a guest and was given a free dinner.
That’s what I thought, the media would be all over it if tax money went to pay for something like this.
The travel there is taxpayer funded.
Not a LePage fan here. Not at all. Taxpayer travel has been legal for all time. Whether it is Obama to Hawaii or Bush II to TX or Bush I to Kennebunkport. As humans they are entitled to vacations and travelling coach on the airplane isn’t always an option.
What I find disgusting is the way LePage will drop everything and run to meet the windbags who cannot predict the future and only want to spin the present. Rich economists want more tax breaks. Is this news to anybody? The rich folks gather at these places, and the politicians fall all over each other kissing butt. The reason they gather and slap each other on the back? For favors, what else? If anybody thinks they get together to help the most people they can, I want what you are drinking/smoking. With all the proof that these conclaves are mostly about finding way to avoid taxes, bribe politicians and who cares about the majority, why are they held up as something we should encourage?
If they were about sex or drugs, they would be illegal. But since they are about politician boot lickers and the people who buy the boots, everybody has a good time.
The problem is Baldacci and King used to do the same thing bring in Liberal groups like Maine Center for Economic Policy, Maine Municpal Association, Maine People’s Alliance/Maine’s People Resource Center. All of these groups used to go to Augusta and demand that Maine create more Welfare Programs, More Wasteful Spending, Borrowing because that grows the economy according to them. When we all know that it doesn’t. It’s time for Democrats to put politics aside and start doing their jobs by finally proposing something to create jobs that is not a Welfare Program or a Government Handout/Pet Project that is dependent on Taxpayer bucks.
Yup, King and Baldy did it in front of the cameras and press writers and you knew who met with who. Conservatives do it in private places beyond the reach of any media. No questions are allowed, and you never get to know who ate with who, and who spent the afternoon getting liquored up by which CEO of a company with business before the state. Not quite the same as having the liberal groups meeting in public places with media in the halls who shout questions.
Republicans keep it neater. Since you are not even in the same township as the press, you don’t have to say who you are. If Roxanne ever meets with a Democratic governor in a place like Leen’s Lodge, I’ll expect that Republicans won’t have a problem with it.
Yes, time for Dems to propose something, because after 2 years of Republican control, the Rep. have not even begun to address the issue. Their program is simple, and it only works for 1%. Reduce taxes for the wealthy, and hopefully the crumbs will fall to the other 99%.
This is a private event, not funded in any way by taxpayers.
That wouldnt be right.If the meeting was held in augusta it couldnt be used as a perk.Lawmakers and gov.have another vacation on the taxpayers money.In reply to mario the gov. and lawmakers pay nothing to travel and stay at these workshops
The Republican 1% dines on lobsters and clams and drinks champagne. Lepage had to change his shirt twice.
Do even think about what you are going to type before you post? I’m guessing no.
What do you think cost’s the taxpayers more, a private trip to Grand Lake Stream, or a trip to Hawaii?
If LaPage is among the “1%”, what does that make our current President?
Lepage is only the governor of Maine, which to him is looked down upon by all other states.
Obama is the most powerful man in the world. Do you even think before type a comparison of the two positions, President of the USA vs gov. of Maine?
“Kotok’s yearly excursion brings in about $200,000 between lodge fees, food, excursions and guide pay.” This may be chicken feed to you but to the average Mainer it is an extravagant life style and Lepage is crapping on all Mainers by attending.
Shouldn’t you be at the chick fil a kiss off?
So much for the christian right being so tolerant of others. So, the republican party show it’s true color as the party of exclusion. Get ready to buy some wedding gifts for your gay family members come November. ;)
I could never shop for them. They are way too snappy of dressers for my style. I will get them a gift cert.
Obama is the most powerful man in the world???? Oh my, I will be right back, breakfast is coming back up…
He has his finger on the red button, Lepage has his up his…well you know.
Ahhh, yes Obama is doing such a bang up job too//////Hmmmm…
Nice work Jake…looks like you struck a nerve with the lunatic fringe
Not hard to do, they have been unhinged for 4 years and their racism is showing.
Having been raised as a child in Grand Lake Stream, I remember every spring when General Jimmy Doolittle would come fishing at West Grand. Over the years my dad would guide quite a few sports players at Grand Lake. I would watch Bud Levitt and Curt Gowdy with (ABC) American Sportsmen. Great story.
Nice place to hangout and plan the Destruction of Maine!
I was wondering if we could fence them in and just keep them there until LePage’s term is up.
Why would you want to despoil such a beautiful place with R’s?Jail is where they belong.Nice of the corrupt RW news media to hog a paid vacation too while legitimate media struggle.So much for the vast left wing conspiracy.
Sound”s good to me, a whole lot of free advise from a whole lot of very smart people.
I would take it in a heartbeat….
Harry Truman said, “Give me a one-handed economist. All my economists say, ‘On the one hand…on the other…'” It looks like there are a lot of two-handed economists in Grand Lake Stream this weekend.
Leen’s Lodge…I built a custom wireless bridge to give the lodge internet…after hours in a snowstorm…but the guy gave me a Franklin for a tip…nice guy!
All this talk about paying down the debt got me curious. How much do we owe anyway? This is from the Maine Office of the Treasurer. In 2006, Maine owed $634 on debt per capita. In 2007 it was $606, 2008 – $618, 2009 – $743, 2010 – $760, 2011 – $865, and 2012 – $845 per capita. The greatest increase in the debt appears to have taken place in 2008-2009. That was when the George W. Bush Great Recession hit us as I recall.
Hard to pay down the debt when you have others wanting you to spend money…… People think the money just appears out of the sky…… Mr. LePage is trying…..
Nice picture of Mr. LePage, looking handsome as usual… Pillar of the community…Fighting for the common man… Keep up the great work, BTW you should of stopped in my place for a cold sud, you drove right by it…
In other news this morning, the wife and I just returned from a morning paddle in the canoe wondering if we will go and eat breakfast at Governor’s or Denny’s…..
Did you invite the cross dressing Perley to join you guys, he loves the canoe….
I love Grand Lake Stream! I worked at Weatherby’s fishing resort for my 4 college summers and fell in love with the town and the people who live there!! The lake is one of the cleanest lakes in Maine and I love to snorkel and find fishing lures that have snagged on rocks and trees on the bottom of the lake around the town dock.
Nice article, good to hear positive things about Maine from visitors who could go anywhere in the world to get together and they chose Grand Lake Stream, that is great. It sounds like some of us in Maine forget how blessed we are to live in such a wonderful place.
And I can hear all the negative reply’s coming from those of you who would not say anything positive no matter what was written or happening.
Have wonderful day! Enjoy life, none of us will get out alive!
While most Mainers couldnt afford to go to a wonderful retreat like this with their family, its good to know that our almighty Govnah, and his cronies are living it up at the TAXPAYER’s expense.:(
I’m not one to spring to the defense of Governor LePage, but I doubt if his visit to Grand Lake Stream has been very expensive. And at least he didn’t fly out to Nevada to meet with these economists. It doesn’t cost much to go into the village. It’s just a few miles off Route 1, and it’s worth going to even to just walk around the village a little. Maybe the economists put out some cash to stay there, but it looks like their businesses paid for them. I would recommend visiting the village to anyone in Maine as a part of a little day trip.
Good post…..
I take you have nevvvahhhhh been to this neck of the woods… Very nice area, but not high dollar, your comment makes you look like a fool, please do research before you decide to comment…
Our governor is not living the lavish lifestyle of the Obamas. Doubt his wife wears jackets that cost several thousand dollars and am sure Mrs. Le Page does not have almost 20 assistants.
So how is it acceptable for the Obamas to live in luxury and now people here feel it proper to dish it to the governor. Sour grapes and lousy education and just plain childish.
“the retreat is a time for the top minds in economics and financial markets to get together to candidly talk shop, debate and discuss the top issues of the day in a place of serene beauty.” quote from the article….so if this was a meeting of the top minds, what was LePage doing there?