AUGUSTA, Maine — Former Gov. Angus King has a wide lead over his Democratic and Republican rivals in Maine’s U.S. Senate race, and supporters of same-sex marriage have an edge in their November contest, according to a new poll released Monday.
King, an independent who was Maine’s governor from 1995 to 2003, had 50 percent support in the poll, which was conducted by the MassINC Polling Group for the Boston public radio station WBUR.
Republican candidate Charlie Summers, Maine’s secretary of state, trailed King with support from 23 percent of those surveyed. Democratic candidate Cynthia Dill, a state senator from Cape Elizabeth, had support from 9 percent.
The poll asked 506 likely voters about their preferences in the two days following last Tuesday’s primary election, when Summers and Dill were chosen as their party nominees. The poll’s margin of error is 4.4 percent.
While the survey probably isn’t predictive of how the Senate race will look in a month, the results should be cause for concern for Dill and Summers, said Amy Fried, a political science professor at the University of Maine and a Bangor Daily News columnist and blogger.
“I think they’re both going to have a difficult task in raising money with these poll numbers,” she said.
And they’ll likely need that money if they want to raise their name recognition among voters, Fried noted. Thirty-five percent of those surveyed had never heard of Dill and 23 percent hadn’t heard of Summers. Still, Fried said, higher recognition may not be enough to overcome King’s lead.
King was the choice of 60 percent of Democrats, 31 percent of Republicans and 57 percent of independents.
Summers, in a statement from his campaign, said the poll “primarily reflects underinformed name ID,” and that the more important polls will be those conducted in October.
Dill said in a statement, “We have work to do, and are prepared to do it.”
King’s campaign declined to comment on the poll results.
In addition to posing questions about candidates, the poll also gauged support for a measure on November’s ballot that would allow same-sex marriage in Maine.
The survey found that 55 percent of voters supported a law that would allow same-sex couples to marry and “protects religious freedom” by not requiring clergy to perform same-sex marriages. Thirty-six percent of respondents were opposed.
The WBUR poll was completed the day Maine’s secretary of state released draft wording for the ballot question that simply asks, “Do you want to allow same-sex couples to marry?” and does not include language about protecting religious freedom that same-sex marriage supporters had sought.
Supporters of the same-sex marriage ballot initiative celebrated the poll results, saying that they figure into a continuing trend of voters changing their minds to endorse marriage for same-sex couples.
“More and more people agree that all loving and committed couples should be able to marry,” Matt McTighe, campaign manager for Mainers United for Marriage, said in a statement.
But opponents called the polling question “biased” and questioned the survey’s validity.
“Polling on the issue of marriage has notoriously been wrong,” Bob Emrich, chairman of Protect Marriage Maine, said in a statement. “In spite of the rhetoric from opponents of protecting marriage between one man and one woman, we are confident that we will prevail in this fight just as we did in 2009.”
The survey also found commanding approval for Maine’s two current U.S. senators, Snowe and Susan Collins. Snowe and Collins, respectively, had 82 percent and 80 percent favorability ratings in the survey; both had 9 percent unfavorable ratings.
Some 41 percent of those surveyed viewed Gov. Paul LePage favorably, compared with 50 percent who didn’t have favorable views of the Republican governor. The survey put his job approval rating at 40 percent, with 49 percent disapproving.
The WBUR poll results were not dramatically different from the results of a poll conducted for the Maine People’s Resource Center more than two months ago, before Democrats and Republicans had chosen their nominees.
In that survey of 993 registered voters, King had 56 percent support, and Summers had backing from 22 percent. The poll didn’t ask about Dill, but found 12 percent support for Democrat Matt Dunlap, who lost to Dill in last week’s primary.
While the primaries have taken place, there still have been no major events to change the race’s makeup, said Fried.
“If there really starts to be a lot of effort to make the case against Angus King, or these other candidates making their own case, that might certainly lead to an opinion change,” she said.
For actual history with small business, veterans and defender of the 2nd Amendment there is only one candidate.
Summers for Senate 2012
You sure jumped off the Poliquin bandwagon quickly and now onto Lepage stooge number 2.
Too bad Summers is against the 1st, 13th, 15th, 16th, 19th, 21st and 24th Amendments and for the 16th and 18th Amendments.
The only thing #2 here is the load your spewing.
I “never” supported Poliquin, and if youd taken the time to look at your hero’s, youd know that King & Dill have done more to subvert the Constitution.
As an undecided voter, by which I mean I haven’t decided who to vote for, I have decided who not to vote for (Summers), please inform me how exactly Dill and King have subverted the Constitution
Oops, another angry republican is blowing their top. Poliquin is ok, maybe he will win for you next time. :)
Is that our constitution or the tea party constitution? Mr. Summers was a big part of the voter fraud witch hunt.Now he’s going to have to face an electorate that will remember how he tried to take the vote away from certain people in the State of Maine!
who…?
I guess you slept through that whole fiasco of telling students they has to register a car to vote in Maine and looking under all those beds to find all the voter fraud that “was happening in Maine , but under the light of day, none could really be found.Jut another ploy that is being played out across the country by the r’s.But since you really seem to have blinders on, then it really doesn’t matter. All the ending of same day registration, ID cards,ect.-He didn’t promote those things? REALLY?.The only voters the r’s want are ones who believe all that they’re told without ever checking the facts. Democracy is only for those they wish it to be for.
Really,,,
There is no voter fraud..?
So ACORN could not happen here…?
Id rather have ID checks in place than have some liberal, internet inventing, global warming prophet asking for a recount…!
Wake up Dorothy, fraud happens every day…!
ACORN was not the issue. Students who are guaranteed the right to vote where they study was.
And asking a question about voter fraud doesn’t mean that there IS voter fraud.
Couldn’t even manage the vote in his own party’s caucus….
King may win because we’re becoming tired of all the “spewing.”
Those who tap our telephones without a court order, hold suspects in detention indefinately without benefit of legal council and torture illegally held prisoners have been subverting the constitution. Then there’s the whole invasion of other countries without cause or legislative approval issue… (which has received so little notice from many who worry about the national debt rather than the decisions regarding two wars and cutting taxes on the rich which have been bleeding us all to death).
Obama..?
Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc. It’s bigger than just the man who’s in the white house. http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/1998/11/civil-rights-199811
Let’s see.
Angus rode a wave of tidal (thanks Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, et al) private/public sector revenue, and spent at least a billion more than Maine could cover when he was politely ushered out -thank God for term limits!
Summers says he will cut spending. Period.
Who you gonna call, when facing a $15 trillion debt?
It is past time for a government we can afford.
Sorry dannyboy, Fact: Angus balanced the budget each year he was in office. Fact Summers and Dill will lose, Angus will win. As far as dept, who cares, only Clinton left office with a surplus which the next drunk in office blew on 2 wars.
Jake the Maine Constitution requires the budget to be balanced. Governor King (or any Governor) has no choice but to submit a balanced budget.
Angus theme song,
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the Right , Hear I am stuck in the middle with you!
Angus King For Senate
2012
“projected surplus” big difference
We got our governor from the bargain bin at Mardens. Obviously LeGrenouille is top quality merchandise or else why would he have been there?
Jake is clearly from the school of:
Its-the-seriousness-of-the-charge-not-the-weight-of-the evidence school of thought.
That’s alot of Amendments to toss around, Jakester. Any basis? Doubt not.
It is based on his racist right wing past.
Speak for yourself. The facts pull me in a different direction.
Opinions are plenty, but its a fact that King & Dill have no track record helping small business, veterans, or defending the 2nd Amendment…!
On the other hand they have extensive histories in:
*Making small footprint sized vernal pools stop work on your own property.
*Taking their marching orders from the green groups (The Quimby National Park).
*Not attempting to pass any legislation that would prohibit the elderly from being taxed out of their own homes.
Lets face it, if the blinded liberal left only judged King & Dill on the above issues, Charlie would win by a landslide.
Summers 2012
You know, opinions do not become facts simply because they are your opinions. You seem to give a lot of your opinions, unsubstantiated, and label them “facts.”
seems to me the other side is doing the same …
Fact is – the sky is falling the sky is falling .. oh wait.
You got me, I ducked
Fact is that Charlie Summers has done more for vets than Dill or King
Fact is that Charlie Summers has more history in DC than either Dill or King
Fact is that Charlie Summers has done more to help small business than Dill & King combined
Fact is that Charlie Summers has done more to defend the 2nd Amendment than Dill or King, but then again, Dill & King never tried.
In fact the only three things that Dill & King are trying to do is help Obama mandate governmental healthcare, force gay marriage and allow abortion as birth control.
Fact is – You can not back up your facts.
Which one of the two professional politicians are you supporting…?
And do enlighten us to their contribution they have had on the State of Maine.
Please enlighten us on how Summers is not a professional politician? Not a very good one by the way. He threw Senator Snowe under the bus last cycle, and he is gonna pay big time for that. Yeah, political saavy that guy has. He’s nothing more than a two bit opportunist with no money, slim support in the minority party, and does not have the endorsement of the incumbent. Spin away pal!
Why dont you enlighten us with the long history of accomplishments of King & Dill in:
*Veterans assistance
*Protection of the 2nd Amendment
*Small business work done
You cant, because it doesnt exist…!
You have 2 requests to back up your statements, yet haven’t. No info on your claim that Dill and King subverted the Constitution, and no evidence in support of your claims Summers is for small business, veterans, or protection of the 2nd amendment. We do know however, that Summers favors voter id, which means that no one would be able to vote unless they produced an id issued by the state. Since the State of Maine doesn’t give these id’s away you have to pay for them. Thus unless the state starts giving id’s away, it is the same thing as a poll tax. Summers favoring a poll tax means that he, as Secretary of State, is trying to subvert the 24th Amendment to the Constitution.
ooh a latrine lawyer,,,, ok..!
For the past ten years, Charlie has helped me and many veterans with issues from veterans benefits, to referring us to groups that can help, he has also helped many, including myself, with many small business issues. Charlie has more firsthand knowledge about small business, veterans and the job as a senator then your liberal twins,,,, unless you can demonstrate otherwise…?
As far as Angus- I tried many times to get to see him when he was governor about small business issues, he didnt even refer me to another agency,,, even Baldacci met with me and many others about small business. As far as Dill, she made her case before Millinocket, East Millinocket & Medway,,, and her approval ratings here in the single digits.
As far as subverting the constitution, I consider “any” politician that supports Obama’s mandatory governmental healthcare act, his direct attack on the 2nd Amendment and the lie that they have been supporting about Quimby’s park project, as a direct attack every US citizen and subversion on our rights in the constitution.
The healthcare act is before the people who’s job it is to decide if it is Constitutional or not. If it is found not to be, then it does not go into effect. If they do decide it is Constitutional then there is no subverting the Constitution. Just because you decided you don’t like it does not mean that the Constitution was subverted. However, once you become a Supreme Court Justice, then your opinion on the Constitutionality of the Healthcare Act will matter
As far as Dill goes… Approval ratings do not equate to subverting the Constitution.
It is great that Charlie Summers helped you, just because he helped you does not mean he is for all those things you claim he is. The fact still remains he fabricated a voter fraud issue and the people of Maine told him to shove it. Voting is the voice of the people, and Summers wants to limit who gets a voice.
Ask Dill about what she thinks about the Quimby National Park, and that she thinks all of Maine should have a voice in its creation, and the heck to those that live near it, and the heck that 98% of Augusta voted it down, as well as 98% of those that would border it, or be forced to relocate. The love for Dill in Northern Maine is the same as Quimby— None..!
Ask Dill about what her views of the 2nd Amendment are, and ObamaCare as well
Go ahead and ask
While your at it, ask someone that has served what they think of Dill,,, or King
Google Charliue Summers and you will find that “Commander Summers” was a Public Relations Officer in the Military!
You dont get more of a “Proffesional Politican” then that! Trained to Follow orders at all costs and snowball the public!
Charlie the Lockstep Monster!
I’d like to see how the facts show that gay marriage will be forced on people….
It is considered force when republicans lose.
I get the distinct impression that you like Charlie Summers…Will you be voting for him this coming November? Will anyone else be?
When did Charlie Summers work in D.C.?
When he worked for Olympia,,,, why dont you go ask him
Regarding Charlie Summers? What specifically did he do? What legislation did he propose and pass? What specifically did he do for vets? What small businesses did he help? How did he defend the second amendment? If you say “Fact is” then state the specifics!
For the past ten years, Charlie has helped me and many veterans with issues from veterans
benefits, to referring us to groups that can help, he has also helped many, including myself, with many small business issues. Charlie has more firsthand knowledge about small business, veterans and the job as a senator then your liberal twins,,,, unless you can demonstrate otherwise…?
As far as the 2nd Amendment, why don’t you get Dill and/or King to tell you their views
Look at the way the Dems are abandoning their nominee Dill for King (the OTHER Democrat in the race). Surprise, surprise…
Yeah so? Proves to me they are smarter than the republicans…
not by a longshot
What your actually looking at is a photogenic empty suit. Another party pandering politician. If you look behind the facade you will see little or nothing in the way of brain power or proposals that will do anything to move Maine or America forward. He is riding in the con trail of his former boss hoping to get sucked into the office through the vacuum created by her disappearance.
Angus…?
I was describing your favorite…Charlie Summers. Angus has no party to pander to!
There are at least three, not counting the lesser known independents.
Hopefully, people are informed, and make a decision to vote in favor of marriage equality. As evidenced by the poll; minds are slowly changing. If we are worthy of dieing for our country, than we are worthy of having a marriage license. All law-abiding, tax-paying Americans, deserve the right to marry.
The poll is not very evident and can an is misleading.
The poll is clear. Read it here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/97234718/WBUR-Poll-Angus-King-Heavy-Favorite-To-Replace-Sen-Snowe .
This is one of many that show similar results. Are they all misleading?
How come you only comment on issue regarding homosexuals? Matter of fact you are known to harass posters who write anything contrary to your opinion.
What you say is patently untrue. Why do you lie ?
Quartz 24 has a point even though his point is a tad exaggerated.
No, Quartz 24 does not. What the poster says is not true. Of course truth is not your strong point.
Spreading your particular prejudice is.
Thank you Quartz for telling it like it is! Some people can’t handle the truth…
No, he does not have a point. Please show that I never comment on issues other than homosexuality. Please show that I harass others who write anything contrary to my opinion.
Again, when someone is respectful during a debate, like you sometimes, I’ll be the same way. But when someone states my that relatives are weeping because I’m gay, or that I’m anti-Christian, or that I should crawl in a hole and die, then I may not be so sweet and nice.
Now, really, how is posting telling someone that the poll is clear and providing the link to that poll considered harassment?
And WHY, O WHY do you guys NEVER call out those who do what you accuse me and others of doing, except for your side? Or are all those posts totally okay and within bounds?
Because that’s what a good Christian does when they are faced with a truth that goes against their beliefs. Example: John Lennon makes a statement that the Beatles are more popular than Christ. The statement was in fact true, the Beatles had more followers worldwide than there were Christians worldwide. The truth of the statement however did not matter to the Christians, they simply responded to it by attacking Lennon as some sort of godless heathen. It didn’t matter that Lennon had done more for peace than all of Christianity, it only mattered that he said he was more popular than their Jewish Zombie.
Only on the BDN can you say what you said, but someone that drops a letter from Angus, gets censored… mmmm
No big deal, but I defy you to preach your anti religion BS in front of a crowd of Muslims
It’s simple really, what I said was true, Lennon was vilified for stating a fact. I also wonder about the censorship too, political satire is one of the newspaper businesses oldest traditions. Did the People vs. Larry Flint teach us nothing?
What does that have to do with anything?
What did I lie about?
You didn’t of course. Just more spin from a weak political philosophy that doesn’t have a good point to make in the debate. Spin, deflect, spin again…it works with the ignorant.
Hey, it has worked for Christianity for 2000 years…
Do you even know what comment of his you’re talking about?
You lied by saying that I never post on other topics and you lied when you said that I “harass posters who write anything contrary to your opinion.” Being the subject of those statements, I can say with 100% certainty, that they are not true.
Why just yesterday I posted a comment on the Rodney King story. I have also been known to weigh in on the internet sales tax articles. Let’s see…I even made comments about the Waco, Texas TEA party on June 14th-why, that’s four days before your allegations were made!
I have had some good discussions with whawell and that poster dad something or other. Even EJParsons a time or two.
Apparently you only read articles regarding homosexuals if the only comments you read from me are regarding that issue.
But then, so what? Who cares?
And what is harassment? Questioning people? Replying to people? Calling out their lies? It seems you’ve redefined the word “harassment.”
I respond on many issues, however if it’s a comment regarding homosexuality you fill my mailbox with your hatred towards people believe homosexuality is one of the 4 sins that cries out to heaven for GOD’s vengeance. Idid not say mine I said GOD’s vengeance. If you have a problem with what I wrote take it up with the God of Adam. Moses, Abraham, Muhammad, Queen of England, President of France, Barrack Obama, you and me.
Regular Joe, I believe that homosexuality is as much as a sin as you believe it is perfectly normal. I will fight just as hard against allowing homosexuals to marry and you will fight for them to be allowed to.
You’re hilarious!
So why are you selective in your fights against sin? Why not push legislation to ban divorce or to criminalize masturbation?
My guess would be that they have not been defined as a talking point or hot button issue in the fundamentalist pulpit or eccumenical council. Funny thing that.
I respect people’s beliefs. They can believe what they want about me and other gay people, I don’t care.
I don’t understand why you accuse me of filling your mailbox with my hatred. I think I’ve been rather respectful and polite. I might have harsh words for those who compare me to pedophiles, who say that I should die, or that I spread AIDS, but in general debate my posts are not hate filled. Is it okay for the hatred of others toward me and other gay people fill your mailbox?
It irks me when we’re called out for “hatred” and “intolerance” but those same people say NOTHING when that hatred and intolerance comes from their side.
Very sound points all. I can’t bite my tongue on this one so I will just say that when certain religious intolerants spew their hatred toward the “wicked” they expose the weakness of their false beliefs and the hypocrisy of their actions.
Because one does not believe in homosexuality it is intolerant? Does not the coin flip the other way too, being intolerant becuase people will not bend to what you believe?
How do you “not believe in homosexuality?” It is real. Not believing in it doesn’t make it go away. If I say “I don’t believe in gravity,” will I float away? No, because gravity is real, like homosexuality is real. You might want to rephrase and say, “I don’t believe homosexuality is morally right” or something like that.
You are right it could of been re-phrased better, homosexuality happens.
No we hate the sin but not the person.You can only pray that they turn to God before its to late.Repent and seek forgiveness from God.
I call shenanigins. Since its inception the Papacy has had 50 million people killed for heresy. Not to mention the killings of abortionists by Christians. Doesn’t really sound like loving the sinner to me.
This figure is nonsense.
John Dowling – History of Romanism
Charles K Moore – The Roman Catholic Religion viewed in the light of Prophecy and History
Just two quick sources, and the figure of 50 million is just for Europe alone. Worldwide the estimates are as high as 150 million. Numbers that big though tend to be rounded off a little.
HAHAHAHA, you’re just way too funny. Where does the “thou shalt not judge” or “turn the other cheek”, or “love thine enemies” come in to play for you? Too bad this is just a place to hit and run, I would love to sit with you and chat some day about your thinking on Jonathan and Davids’ relationship. Both men who have been firmly exalted by the God of Eve.
If God is as almighty as you say, She certainly doesn’t need you running flack for her. Pour a lemonade and sit and enjoy the nature of your yard.
Because as you must know, it is not your place to judge others: Matt 7:1-5
My bet it passes.
They were before the last referendum on gay marriage.
That’s true. But a lot has changed since 2009.
Scary is the word. Didn’t we have trouble enough with him when he was governor.
Yes, many are embarrassed or ashamed to admit that they don’t like gay people or that they don’t think they’re deserving of equal rights. I’d be embarrassed too.
I am not ashamed of having a different point of view, and because one does, does not mean they dislike or hate gay people. That is just an excuse they use to get people riled up.
You use generalizations to put down generalizations.
We know not all people who don’t agree with SSM hate gays. But stating that supporters of SSM say that makes you guilty of the same thing.
You have probably seen the overlap of one group who has a different point of view and still likes gays with another group that has a different point of view and thinks gay people are disgusting and should die behind an electric fence. It’s not always easy to know which group a specific non-supporter falls within.
I agree with you some, because at times you have to use generalizations. Because in the Christian World that believes homosexuality is a sin, you can not wish them dead or hurt. The need is to pray for them (whether they agree with your outlook or not. I have seen both sides use certain verses to try and get a point across, though the Bible is very specific about all sin. As with groups and not knowing, it gets increasingly difficult to state your belief’s because someone is continually saying you, hate them, or your a homophobic, which is not the case. If I do not believe a law is not right, it is my right, as well as yours to express that opinion. It is the same issue with abortion.
ps: I am sure I will get an earful from some lol
I understand what you are saying, but please remember that there ARE people who call themselves Christians who wish us dead. And after a lifetime of hearing this, some of us sometimes find it safer to assume that the Christian who is preaching to them is probably not the loving kind of Christian.
And please, people, I am not saying that all Christians are like that (the ones in my church are not!) and I am in NO way saying that there are never any gay people who act in a similar manner.
Look at the comments on here. You’re dishonest if you want people to believe this isn’t about disdain.
Not embarrassed or ashamed at all.I guess I could just turn my back and let them all go straight to Hell.But thats not what God wants me to do.Hate the sin not the person.That person while still alive has that chance to turn to God nefore its to late.I pray that everyone turns to God.
Actually, it is what God wants you to do.
Do you believe in predestination? That either your name is written in God’s Book of salvation or it’s not?
Because if you do so believe, then there is nothing anyone can do to change that. Relax. Have a beer. Enjoy life as we know it.
Marriage is a sham. The divorce rate is over 50%. Perhaps only gays should marry, heterosexuals don’t deserve too.
Outstanding! What a point.
Similar polls were conducted in the last referendum on gay marriage that showed Maine people in favor of it, yet it was turned down. I won’t predict what the results of the November election will be, but I certainly hope and pray the proposal to endorse gay relationships is turned down as it should be for the sake of all Mainers. Marriage is not just something to be meted out for the asking for use as a vehicle to force social acceptance of certain unnatural behaviors.
You cannot miss a chance to promote your narrowed minded, bigoted perspective, can you.
I have said before and likely will again, your prurient interest in other’s private lives is creepy.
Exactly!!
I have a question:
What is marriage “meted” out for? It seems that in this day in age it is to support marriage counselors, divorce attorneys, family court employees, and doctors willing to prescribe medicine to children affected. Half of the people married for religious purposes throw their convictions right out the window when it doesn’t work for them. That fact alone proves to me this is not a moral issue but a credibility issue. It stinks! Leave people alone, and follow your own heart and soul. One movement can’t define anothers’ when they have no credibility or moral legs to do so.
There is no such thing as marriage equality within a homosexual or lesbian marriage. One partner must be of the other gender before equality can be an issue. Find another buzz word because that on isn’t going to cut the mustard. Maine will be voting on the right for homosexuals and lesbians to marry. An out of nature wedlock between yourself and yourself. In order for equality to take place, a member of the opposite sex must be involved.Hopefully Mainers will come to their senses and vote no.
The word “equality” refers to the treatment of homosexual couples under the law. As in, treatment equal to that of heterosexual couples.
Did that really escape you?
Huh?
Well James, “marriage equality” doesn’t refer to equality between spouses, but instead refers to the desire of same-sex couples to enjoy the same legal, civic rights as heterosexual couples do. It doesn’t refer to your very odd claim that equality within a marriage requires different genders.
And marriage, by the way, is a human social construct. It has meant many different things to many different cultures in many different times, but it is by no means a ‘natural’ thing. One does not need to be married to reproduce, or to raise a child. All ‘nature’ cares about is that an adult reproduce, and raise its offspring to sexual maturity. In other words, humans made up marriage, humans decide what it means, and humans can change it.
And then comes the real God. The end result is, he , not humans, will have the final say. We have the freedom to do what we want, but expect to pay a price for our behavior. You and I, and everyone else will.
James what you and others seem to be unable to handle is this little face…the United States of America is a secular country with a secular government with secular laws. There is no one “official” religion and there is not Biblical law in the federal, state, county or local government. The supreme law of the land is the U.S. Constitution…not the Bible.
The root of the problem lies in natural law not civil law. Man is going against the laws of nature that God put in place when he created life. God made the woman for the man in Genesis. God made the animals male and female. Animals don’t mate with the same sex because they are incapable of coming up with the same darkened philosophies that man has and uses to justify unnatural behavior such as homosexuality. The whole problem lies in sinful man using his sinful will against a holy, righteous God and perverting and rebelling against the laws He put in place. The Bible is clear on this subject and no man whether clergyman on civil servant and no law or philosophical view will ever void the Word of God. It is true today and will be true in the end. Homosexuality is unnatural. Men were not made that way. They were not born gay. They turned against the light and truth of God as put forth in nature and in His Word and have made a CHOICE to be gay. They’ve had to REDEFINE God’s definition of marriage so as to justify themselves.
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Your god exists in your mind. He is a creation, not the creator, but if you want to believe a schizophrenic old man who talked to a bush and suddenly became your god’s law bringer, and that every species of animal lived within walking distance of Noah’s house, then have at it. Just don’t use it to prevent equality and further the hate filled agenda of a religion that has committed more cruel acts of torture and murder than any of the world’s cruelest dictators.
Now you are blaspheming Moses, the great prophet.
Do not fool yourselves. God is not mocked.
The world sees your wickedness in its totality: vulgarity, obscenity, hatred of God, nudity in gay shame parades, cursing, drug use, AIDS, shortened life span. (Romans 1:26,27)
Your relatives weep over you and you revel in your parades and call yourselves “gay.”
The world sees the total picture, and so does the Almighty.
You are so full of folly you mock not only Christianity, but every religion which believes in the Almighty.
You are judgmental. You do not know us. You know only what is fed to you by others.
This, people, is an example of the hatred toward us that we keep referring to. “Your relatives weep over you”? How dare you begin to think you know anything about me or my relatives.
YOU are not God and you do not speak for Him.
The United States of America is a secular country. Our laws are not based on the Bible any more then they are the Qur’an or the Book of Mormon. The word “marriage” has been redefined as a matter of law twice in my lifetime…1967…2003.If you think marriage is a religious term, please explain why we call a civil ceremony performed by a Justice of the Peace marriage.
Sorry but this country was founded under God.Better read your history.
Where is your proof? I would love to read it.
here’s your proof…
The Declaration of Independence
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one
people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle
them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
devon the Declaration of Independence does cite a “Nature’s God” and “Creator” but the question is do you know why?
Thomas Jefferson does so because the rebels are dealing with a monarch that is considered Divine. King George III was not only the King of Great Britain but also the head of the church of England. The rebels were not only rejecting the Kings authority over them as “subjects” but rejecting his authority as the head of the “Church”.
But that is neither here nor there as far as SSM is concerned. We derive our laws from the U.S. Constitution and that document mentions “Creator”, “Supreme Being”, etc….exactly zero times with the sole exception of the dating of the document.
Bruce please do not insult my intelligence. The Declaration of Independence does cite a “Creator” and does so because they are dealing with a monarch that is considered Divine. King George III was not only the King of Great Britain but also the head of the Church of England. The colonies were not only rejecting the Kings authority over them as “subjects” but rejecting his authority as the head of the “Church”.
But that is neither here nor there as far as SSM is concerned. We derive our laws from the U.S. Constitution and that document mentions “Creator”, “Supreme Being”, etc….exactly zero times with the sole exception of the dating of the document.
So, I stand by my statement that “The United States of America is a secular country. Our laws are not
based on the Bible any more then they are the Qur’an or the Book of
Mormon.”
So why did your so called god create over 1500 different species that partake in homosexual relations?
A ridiculous, pseudo-scientific figure. Over 1500? Sure you don’t mean 57 varieties as in Heinz 57?
Here you go Son
1,500 animal species practice homosexuality October 2006
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx
Ha, ha…
This is a scientific paper?
The source is obviously a homosexual! Of course he would say that!
I have never read ANY “scientific paper” more laughable for being an obvious hoax.
This is funnier than the Piltdown Man!
Actually the paper came from the University of Oslo but I doubt you found that little fact contained in the website.
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“The source is obviously a homosexual! Of course he would say that!”
Proof…but that would mean you would actually have to do real research rather than spout off about things you have no knowledge about.
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Soon you will be telling us that The State of Tennessee v. John Thomas Scopes was a hoax perpetrated by the extreme far left and is part of the homosexual agenda.~~~~~You are a very funny, funny man.
Ha, ha…the University of Oslo.
And not the University of Guam? Published in which scientific journal?
Wow, and he puts down the Norwegians as well! Is no one spared from his mocking?
Sigh…another person who thinks anything supporting teh ghey is written or conducted by a gay, OBVIOUSLY! Because only gays support gays and straights never support gays.
And there’s no way that any scientific study that supports, in any way, gay, can be a legitimate, peer-reviewed study. Well, only reviewed by other gays, right?
How does one go through life with such blinders on, Alice?
Mmmm…that’s my favorite sauce! I think it’s interesting that Heinz has done away with the iconic glass ketchup bottle but still sells the Heinz 57 sauce in one. Go figure!!!
Right on the money.
Thank you for a very well written posting. I just have one question that perhaps you could answer. Could you give me the name of one person who was denied entrance to Heaven because they were gay? Thank you.
People support and practice homosexuality because they are unbeliever’s in the Word of God which very clearly condemns the behavior as unnatural, vile, unclean. It is an error.
And NO unbeliever will be given entrance into heaven. Homosexuals can be saved, delivered, forgiven and cleansed of their sin but until then they are NOT accepted and fit for heaven because God is there!
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate(homosexuality), nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
(1Corinthians 6:9-11)
What if you’re a homo but really tough and masculine?
I’m perfectly happy to let you believe as you wish with regard to YOUR religion. However, don’t try to impose YOUR beliefs on me.
God is the creator of everything, right? Further, God created man in his own image. Do I have that correct? So, using that line of reasoning, God created homosexuals. Also, since God created both heterosexuals and homosexuals, God must therefore swing both ways.
Also, God’s word is presumed perfect. However, people get things wrong all the time. God also delivered his word to humanity by first delivering it to people, who we know get things wrong a lot.
Homosexuality is not a created person, it is a chosen lifestyle. God did not create homosexuality. If He did He wouldn’t have condemned it, which He does.
Sexual orientation is not a choice we make.
My choice is to live in truth and love.
My blessing is I have found someone so wonderful to spend my life with.
And my wish is that we are able to protect the life we are building together, through civil marriage.
Oh, and God condemns rape, not love.
Your personal experience isn’t the authority on homosexuality. Your feelings and inclinations towards homosexuality is not from God. Your believing a lie. God did not make you that way. God says plainly that sexual experience with someone of the same gender is “against nature”. It OPPOSES the very nature God gave us.
“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.“
Romans 1:26 -27
And the interpretation given to you of His word makes YOU the authority on homosexuality?
Ahhh…… just like you chose your religious lifestyle….
Sounds like one of those clerics in the Middle East….
In any case, that’s what you say. I have heard many other religious people say something COMPLETELY different. What makes YOU the one with the true Word?Hey-James redefined “equal”!!! What about THAT?!?!?!??!
In the end the federal,state,county,or local government,and every human being will have to answer to God.Bottom line.So actually the sepreme law will be Gods not some man made law.
OK…let’s eliminate ALL laws and let God sort it out in the end then.
If that is your belief.
There are over 8000 different god’s so which one is going to judge me? And how does your god have a sex? If your god is a he who created him?
Your god is nothing but a myth. Man created god, not the other way around.
Actually there is only one.You will sadly see when you met him in the end.
How does a dead person see? And if for some reason I am wrong which I highly doubt I am I’m going to have more questions for this god than it will for me.
Your god is not a very nice person and is not worthy of any sort of worship. At least the so called devil gave man that ability to think for itself instead of being a mindless drone.
While I cannot prove 100% there is not a god you also cannot prove 100% there is. You only have a thing called faith. I enjoy living in reality myself. If your so called god is real it could with ease prove it is but that will never happen because all god’s are man made.
“So-called god?”
If you don’t believe in Him, why do you have the urge to insult Him?
Thanks for revealing the anti-God sentiments at the heart of the homosexual rights movement.
Your comments prove Romans 1:26,27. People turn to homosexuality after rejecting God.
“Thanks for revealing the anti-God sentiments at the heart of the homosexual rights movement.”
Since you believe the homosexual community has an agenda could you please quote and source this part of the “agenda”.
The source is the Word of God delivered to man through the Apostle Paul.
Read the first chapter of Romans.
Unresponsive answer.
Your post – “Thanks for revealing the anti-God sentiments at the heart of the homosexual rights movement.”
My request – Since you believe the homosexual community has an agenda could you please quote and source this part of the “agenda”.
Try again.
Did you read the first chapter of Romans?
That will tell you what the agenda is.
Again with the unresponsive answer. Are you saying that the homosexual community is taking there marching orders from the Bible? That’s very interesting since many posters that are against SSM claim that homosexuals don’t read the Bible.
I can do better than that.
Deny this, if you can.
1) Harry Hay, “Father of the Gay Rights Movement” — card-carrying member of the CPUSA, the Communist Party of the United States.
2) Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld, first man to introduce a same sex marriage bill, and first doctor to perform a sex change operation — member of the German Communist party.
3) Wilhelm Reich, inventor of the phrase “sexual revolution” — expelled from the Austrian Communist party.
Another unresponsive answer. Come on SonofBangor what is the homosexual agenda that we all should be quaking in our boots over?
Come. come now.
You’re a bright enough fellow.
Or perhaps you want us all to believe that the fact the “Father of the Gay Rights Movement” was a communist is insignificant.
The homosexual rights movement is just another tool the Left uses to destabilize society. It is a form of lawlessness and anarchy.
No go back and read Romans and you will understand.
Well I guess the “gay agenda” doesn’t exist Son. You have been given ample opportunity to provide it and you have failed. It must exist in writing some where or how else are “the gays” (as you and others have called our fellow citizens) supposed to follow it?
Just like when Canada toppled last week and is currently covered with anarcherous gays, redoing everyone’s hair and making FABULOUS window treatments from coast to coast. Eeeek!
Oh, yeah, the gay Red. That theory, of course, ignores what Reds REALLY think of gays and what they did and still do to them…
But, in any case, I am not a Red. So, now what?
You are one twisted little man. There are plenty of homosexuals that believe in a god and attend church. Some of the things you anti’s say truly are amazing.
Please read the rules pertaining to personal attacks.
Truth hurts, doesn’t it.
It’s okay to attack me and other gay people as a member of the group you’re saying awful and hateful things about, eh?
Thank you for generalizing again.
Check out http://www.rcadmaine.org/ “The Religious Coalition Against Discrimination (RCAD) is a statewide interfaith network of clergy and lay religious leaders in Maine whose mission is to educate and publicly advocate for the civil and human rights of all people, including lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender persons, within our diverse Maine congregations and communities.”
I know many gay ministers and MANY gay men and women of faith.
Exactly right
Would you please cite the verses in which Jesus spoke about homosexuality?
And when you are done with that short task, please cite the versus in which Jesus speaks against divorce.
Thanks.
He speaks about divorce and same sex marriage in the same passage: “For that reason a man shall leave his mother and father, and cleave to his wife.”
Jesus forbade divorce, and often mentioned Sodom and Gomorrah as an example of the ultimate punishment.
Read Jude 1:7.
Jesus was not alive in the old testament, guess again.
Are you working as hard to repeal the divorce laws as you are against this law?
Then butt out of it and let God and the affected couples work it out without your input.
Ironic that the way some people talk about “traditional” marriage, you’d think they want to go back to when the husband was more equal than the wife. The wife working outside the home?? Getting her own loan? Buying her own car? Wha…..???
James, you need to wake up and just get over it. You dont have to agree with it, but really, the whole country is getting on board with this. Even GM came out today backing up Same-Sex Marriage. The president has backed it up and there is a whole lot of money out there also backing it up. You are welcome to your hypocritical, ancient views of the bible towards this issue but its one you will lose. I am sure many of the old KKK members were upset when there was an end of slavery, I am sure there were many men upset when women were allowed to vote, and i am sure you will be upset when Gay people get their freedom and are allowed to marry, but ya know what? There aint a thing you can do about it…So either allow yourself to step into the 21st. Century, or hide in your house…doesnt matter much to me either way.
To relate same sex marriage to the KKK shows just how far off the cliff you are.You are deperate for a reason to feel slighted so you can create a pity vote. You are also like a rooster who crows at night. There are no marriage rights in this state until november comes around, then you might get lucky, but I doubt it, so hide in your house until then. Doesn’t matter to me either way.
Not really. Many heinous acts have been visited upon gay people in the name of righteousness, just like the KKK used to do.
You are so out of touch with reality it is not funny.
Now now James, you forget who i am…I have been in a heterosexual marriage now for 23 years, i know, its hard to believe, cause most heterosexual marriages dont seem to last that long but my wife is a saint. We both vehemently advocate for equal rights however for ALL…even you folks hell bent to prove how important you are by constantly spouting off about the bible and all that jazz. As for hiding in my house, not gonna happen and never would, i am perfectly happy going out to clubs with my gay friends and watch them kiss each other just to drive people like you completely crazy.
Actually in the end you will loose.Not James.God don’t want us to support abortion,gay lifestyles,and other mortal sins.Our rewards will by great for following gods ways and not Satans way.I also refuse to be branded with the devils mark.
If your rewards are so certain, why do you care what others do?
Bruce, i am not really sure what you are getting at, but one would think that in that church of yours they might teach you how to complete a full sentence and get it out on the screen in the form of a thought. Lose is what you meant to say, and if we lose this time, we wont next time. We are not going to give up fighting for equal rights to everyone so dont even begin to think we are going away. What rewards are you planning on getting when God questions you on judgement day how you could treat your brothers and sisters so cruel? I honestly believe that you people that keep spouting this crap about it being a sin are going to face a very harsh reality. I look forward to seeing ya there though…just make sure you pray for forgiveness ok.
I would think you’d be less concerned about what I and other gay people do and more concerned about the increasing surveillance by our government on the regular citizen within our borders. Or are you as concerned?
No, the whole country is not getting on board.
This is being pushed by the “liberal elites” and has NEVER been allowed by popular vote.
Oy, check this out: http://pollingreport.com/civil.htm
NATIONWIDE numbers from many polls showing a definite nationwide trend over the past several years.
Slavery, by the way, ENDED on this day in 1865! Happy Juneteenth!
You make no sense. My partner and I have been together for decades, and we are both equal partners in our life together.
And hopefully someday the government will finally get out of the marriage business and stop projecting their own personal views of marriage onto others.
Hmm, I’m thinking in relation to my marriage there are differences between my wife and I. She is deffinitly prettier than me, cooks a lot better than me, manages money better than me, has a sense of style that I don’t come close to. On the other hand I’m more capable with tools, building things, stronger, taller, (she’s vertically challanged), I drive much better (due to more experience). All together I think it’s a wash and we are pretty equally balanced.
I’m just guesseing that some marriages are more equal than others. I don’t think gender has a heck of a lot to do with it.
It will be up to the individuals to work out for themselves, wether they be same sex or not. It won’t effect my marriage or life one way or the other. Just like your homophobia won’t effect my marriage one way or the other.
It seems that many of the people I’ve heard from who support only “traditional” marriage would like to see those old-fashioned gender-based roles the norm once again. Bleck-no thanks!
Okay, then I guess you also know NO ONE is literally equal to another person, and definitely no man is LITERALLY equal to a woman. And for that matter, I am in no way EXACTLY equal to my boyfriend and Betty is not exactly 100% equal to her girlfriend.
Both parties bring something to the marriage and it’s not up to anyone else to decide what that something must be.
It seems that you’ve redefined the word “equal.”
“Huh”? is right!
It will be interesting to see how well King does when, or should I say if, he is ever asked for his position on a specific issue.
I can’t wait for the fluff articles from the BDN about Charlie Summers and Cynthia Dill. Should be any day now…
Yesterday for Dill.
With the margin of error in Dill’s favor she could have as much as 13% of the vote. Now that’s funny!!
Of course King has a ‘wide lead’. That’s because the Dill Weed is way out there on the left and Charlie Summers is… well, sadly, he’s Charlie Summers. So, when the general population realizes (if they ever d0) that Gus has not solid position on anything, Maine will be left with three awful choices.
I’d be interested to hear your examples of Dill being way out there on the left.
We are looking for the art of judgement, not ideology. Ideology has gotten us just where? Angus doesn’t need “positions” he needs what he has. Good, solid judgement. It’s what we are missing from the ideologs. Olympia said it best.
I wonder what the results would have been had the SSM question been the simplified version Summers has suggested.
Ok, polls said Elliott Cutler would be the governor and homosexuals in Maine were suppose to be married by now. Let’s see what happens election day.
Prepare yourselves. In another year or two, someone will sue to marry their goat.
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That’s right. It’s exactly like how after women got the right to vote, people began demanding that their farm animals be allowed to vote as well.
I thought since “1984” farm animals have had the right to vote, no?
You’re confusing fiction with reality, try and get a grip.
They can sue to marry their goat right now, if they wish. Want to guess how far such an insane suit would get?
look how far gay marriage siuts have gotten.Anythings possible.
Well, why not put your sharp observational skills to work and take a look at the countries and states where SSM is legal. Any doomsday predictions coming true?
I thought not. I keep posting this challenge and still, nobody has been able to come up with a shred of evidence that SSM has in any way harmed a society in which it is legal.
Let’s leave the slippery slopes to the skiers, OK?
Isn’t that what was said before Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell was repealed? Some people swore the sky was going to fall down and what ended up happening? Nothing. Now gays get to serve in the military with out constantly being afraid of being kicked out.
Hi Tim, Was just wondering if you or anyone else here might know if this ever went to court? Curse those corporations!
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/01/woman-wants-to-marry-seattle-building/
Yeah, like a 50 percent divorce rate for religious folk who marry for “conviction.” HAH!
Really? Please point to any other state or nation on this planet where same-sex marriage has led to marriage to animals.
How do you know this? Have any plans in the works?
Yes, because clearly a goat can consent to marry and sign a marriage license. Come on.
Oh really?
Like they already have done so in other places where SSM has been legal?
That hasn’t happened so you can rest your mind now Larry.
You’ve got issues if you liken same sex marriage to beastiality. It simply shows you are not a very deep thinker. Eight grade education?
“Prepare yourselves. In another year or two, someone will sue to marry their goat” and if they do Larry they will lose in court. Has to do with conscious thought, ability to grant informed consent, ability to read and ability to sign a contract none of which a goat can do.
If you can’t form an argument against gay marriage without bringing up bestiality, you don’t have an argument against gay marriage.
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Marriage is a state endorsement of certain human relationships for a specific purpose tied to procreation and well-being of offspring. The quest for state endorsement of gay relationships should by denied as it does not meet the criteria for marriage, the ability to procreate being one of them. If there is anyone dictating, it is the supporters of “gay marriage” who want the state of Maine to endorse gay relationships for selfish reasons.
Not true. There is no requisite for procreation. That’s why the elderly and those who are sterile can wed. You’re manufacturing a rubric that doesn’t actually exist in order to validate discrimination.
Unless you’re willing to impose rules that require procreation, your argument fails. Nice try at flipping things around though.
That’s right. It’s obvious there is indeed no requirement to procreate to obtain state endorsement. I was merely referring to the intent of the law that made state endorsement of heterosexual relationships effective. There would be no such state endorsement known as civil marriage without the assumed ability of couples to procreate. What promoters of gay marriage are proposing is to change the intent of the law so that the ability to procreate no longer has anything to do with the retaining the law.
Not true. Like I said, you’re creating a rubric after the fact in order to validate discrimination.
“Assumed ability of couples to procreate”? You’re literally making garbage up. I’m glad that’s enough for you to feel comfortable with discriminating against your gay neighbors.
The “garbage” you are referring to is found in written court decisions throughout the land. I’m not that original.
Prove it.
And while you’re at it, please prove how your “point” related to past draconian laws that banned inter-racial marriage? That intent was to “ban” mixed races. Just stop it please! You are insulting intelligence.
The November 7th, 2007 “ballot referendum, Alabama becomes the last state to officially legalize interracial marriage.
By November 2000, interracial marriage had been legal in every state for more than three decades thanks to the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in Loving v. Virginia (1967) – but the Alabama State Constitution still contained an unenforceable ban in Section 102:
“The legislature shall never pass any law to authorise or legalise any marriage between any white person and a Negro or descendant of a Negro.”
The Alabama State Legislature stubbornly clung to the old language as a symbolic statement of the state’s views on interracial marriage; as recently as 1998, House leaders successfully killed attempts to remove Section 102.
When voters finally had the opportunity to remove the language, the outcome was surprisingly close: although 59% of voters supported removing the language, 41% favored keeping it. Interracial marriage remains controversial in the Deep South, where a 2011 poll
found that a plurality of Mississippi Republicans still support anti-miscegenation laws.”
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/raceequalopportunity/tp/Interracial-Marriage-Laws-History-Timeline.htm
well, whawell is full of it
To not allow queer people to marry is not discrimination, it’s common sense. It has always been unexceptable, it’s unexceptable now, and it always will be unexceptable. Unnatural Cultures and the people that accepted these nasty habits have been erased from normal society since time began. If this generation thinks it’s any different, then they are sadly misinformed. You can learn from history, or repeat it, but learn you will.
James….James….James….where to begin….nah the fourth word tells me all I need to know about your post.
LOL, of course you’re going to trot out this thoroughly debunked and tired argument, since you really have nothing of substance in your opposition to same-sex marriage..
– we don’t prohibit divorce of parents
– we don’t forbid marriage of the infertile or post-menopausal
– we don’t require a marriage produce offspring
Most importantly, your attitude shows your willful ignorance toward the fact that there are many, many same-sex couples across Maine raising children in their families. We should absolutely extend civil marriage protections to them.
whawell apparently thinks that if he repeats the same old , same old long enough someone might believe it. His argument fails for exactly the reasons you stated. If as he claims the purpose of marriage is tied to procreation and well-being of offspring then wouldn’t it stand to reason that prior to marriage a couple would have to undergo test in order to determine if they would be able to procreate? I know of no State that has that requirement so apparently what whawell has been posting over and over and over again is nothing but a red herring. In whawell’s defense it has to be noted that whenever a person or group attempts to deny another person or group basic civil rights one must rely on red herrings, facts, truth , fairness and justice are never on their side.
Talk about redefining marriage … I don’t recall anything about procreation, parental qualifications etc being on my license application 30 odd years ago. You’d think that if that was the State’s purpose in granting marriage licenses there would be at least one question on these topics.
It’s easy to make out the purpose of marriage by examining spousal benefits intended to encourage at least one parent to stay home to care for children. No, there’s no redefinition here. I think everyone knows the purpose of marriage, including you no less.
“spousal benefits intended to encourage at least one parent to stay home to care for children”.
What “spousal benefits intended to encourage at least one parent to stay home to care for children”?
I think you are either confused or misinformed.
Either way, you’re wrong.
or perhaps misanthropic ….
We totally disagree on this, and I will leave it at that, not going to argue you with you anymore. I do have a question though. To you, what is the difference between a gay couple living together for 50 years and not having the rights associated with marriage, and a gay couple living together for 50 with the rights associated with marriage? That is the only difference in question here. Being homosexual is not illegal, living together in a homosexual relationship is not illegal. So why do gay couples not deserve the same rights as hetero couples? Is the thought they may adopt, which they already can do, your major problem with it?
I get the sense that Whawell is just a contrarian on this issue. He or she never answers valid points in this debate with valid counterpoints. It’s just all rhetoric.
you got that right !
Whose “criteria for marriage” are you referring to?
WhaWell, are you for real? By your definition, ”
a state endorsement of certain human relationships for a specific purpose tied to procreation and well-being of offspring”, no post-menopausal woman would be allowed to marry. Try coming up with some new fiction.
OK wha…where will we find the “procreation” criterion in state law, the marriage license or the marriage license itself?
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LOL, of course you’re going to trot out this thoroughly debunked and tired argument, since you really have nothing of substance in your opposition to same-sex marriage..
– we don’t prohibit divorce of parents
– we don’t forbid marriage of the infertile or post-menopausal
– we don’t require a marriage produce offspring
Most importantly, your attitude shows your willful ignorance toward the fact that there are many, many same-sex couples across Maine raising children in their families. We should absolutely extend civil marriage protections to them.
Hey look! The hypocrite’s back!
Still spreading lies and hypocrisy, eh little man?
Regarding gay marriage, as long as it is NOT required to be performed by churches, I see no problem. Do like Europe does. Civil marriage ceremonies are separate from religious marriage ceremonies. Both are legal.
You can’t force churches to marry anyone in the first place though. Notice how churches can refuse people who have previously been divorces or couples who are interfaith? The state doesn’t step in in those situations and it wouldn’t be different here.
Why not allow civil marriage for all groups in a relationship, not just couples? What’s the big deal? Let’s make everyone equal so that no one can claim discrimination or being denied “equal rights”. While at it, why not make everyone equally wealthy? It’s time we share the wealth equally so that everyone can pursue happiness equally.
Why just let adults vote? Why not animals too? Why not our children and maybe our appliances?
Do you have a real argument or not?
To clarify, civil rights and privileges only apply for the sake of people, not animals. In case you are wondering, we protect animals for the sake of humans, not for the sake of animals.
I mocked you to highlight how pathetic the slippery slope argument is.
No you mocked him because it is in your nature.
Mocking is also, your nature.
Maybe But I don’t go through life as if every position I have is the only possible one.
Can’t it be both?
I love you too.
Whawell, you just know that one of them is now going to tell us all the animals on the ark were unionized and Noah’s management was anti-animal.
I think my curling iron voted for LePage. I unplugged it……….
If you can’t make an argument against gay marriage without bringing up polygamy, then you don’t have an argument against same-sex marriage.
Churches will not be required to do anything that they do not want to do when it comes to SSM…just like they can refuse to marry non-church members, etc…now.
I thought it stood for “Gustache”
…….” to get married by the State, it’s a civil union, period. Whether you’re a homosexual, lesbian, heterosexual. Everybody. That way everybody gets the same legal standing.” Paul Lepage
I couldn’t care less about SSM. Lets pass it so we can stop hearing about it. It will pass sooner or later anyway, so lets just get it over with.
It is well acknowleged that a poll is nothing more than a snapshot taken in the flash of an instant.
One poll taken every day means that every candidate has 140 opportunities till election day to flip flop, lie, sport a new hair-do, agree to a SNL show, try to hide a beer-drinking or illegal relative, mis-pronounce a talking point, utter an “inartful” phrase and of course after any of these Banned in Boston moments a 180 degree spin of the heels…to cover their very, very special posteriors…
… unless the candidate is a Progressive media darlin’ in which case nothing ever happened.
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What?
Angus is getting married?
Who’s the lucky fella?
Edit:—- Opps! ——I should have read the article first!
I suppose you could mistakenly think Angus King was marrying The Edge from U2… :)
Is Islam a barrier to women’s rights? Are deficits a threat to democracy? Great editorial reads here:
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The upcoming vote is an excellent time to hold all candidates accountable. Where do they stand on marriage equality. They should let us all know. It would be one reason, or not to vote for or against them.
Also, where are the voices of our 2 senators on this matter. This would be a wonderful time for Saint Snowe to speak out in favor of equality for all. It would be the right thing for her and for Collins to do.
Wake up Maine, Angus is a step back in time. We need something/someone new. Tell him to go back to his wind farm, give someone else a chance.
And the Republican’s with their tax breaks for the “Job creators” (a.k.a. Trickle Down Economics) isn’t a step back in time? This election is not one of the best person for the job, sadly we are faced with electing the lesser of three evils.
I am not thrilled with the 3 choices either, but the people of Maine picked two in the recent elections. Not a fan of Dill by any means, she is just cannon fodder for the Democrats because they had to put someone up against King. Summers in my opinion is the lesser of the two evils.
Wow, a poll done for a Massachusetts public radio station indicating a juggernaut for “independent” Angus King.
Can’t wait for The Nation’s take on the race.
I’ve seen the little blue bumper stickers that proclaim 61% did not vote for Paul LePage. Wonder if these same folks will remember 65% did not vote for Angus King when he was elected governor.
The first time. The second time that figure falls to 41.4%.
The answer is probably not but, Alas! They have seen the ill of their ways and will vote for King in November! All will be well.
Let us pray that this is not so. King made his money when he was Gov. And left as soon as he could. We do not need him or want him. Angus, go away!
What a stupid comment!
Summers all the way
Long live the KING!
This is an excellent article on the topic of SSM.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/17/opinion/granderson-gay-agenda/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7
This is not an article, this is an opinion piece. Simply that, the opinion of one person, not facts.
An opinion piece is an article. Additionally, there are facts included in what he wrote. He makes some excellent points that you choose to ignore, apparently.
Edit: there is another discussion going on (which I don’t wish to jump into) regarding Opinion Piece vs Article, so I thought I’d clarify my use of the word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_piece
Opinion … nothing more.
Really? Here’s an excerpt: ” … the fact that in 29 states it is legal to fire someone just because they’re gay flies in the face of the 14th amendment, particularly the passage that says “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.””
Is that just opinion?
Clear the dust out from between your ears …. it’s an opinion piece.
Is the excerpt I posted not factual? Is it not legal in 29 states to fire someone because they are gay?
Yes, I know this an opinion piece. But you seem to want to argue semantics regarding my choice of words rather than comment on what’s in the article.
Perhaps you’re one of those people who likes to rant, without being really all that informed. That’s fine. I was just hoping for a little smarter discourse from you.
See again, you want to try and set the rules for what is an acceptable post and what is not. I simply stated it was an opinion piece. You are the one getting your feathers in a ruffle because I will not play the rules by “your” rules. Get over it and yourself.
Again, I never was setting any rules. And my feathers were certainly not ruffled :)
is Maine one of those States?
No, homosexuals are protected under Maine’s anti-discrimination laws. Here’s a link…
http://www.glad.org/rights/maine/c/anti-discrimination-law-in-maine/
The poll, which was conducted by the MassINC Polling Group for the Boston public radio station WBUR ….. so, what did you expect when you run a poll on a public radio station which is being listened to predominantly by liberals. Unbiased pole ….. NOT!
How do you know the poll is biased? You seem to be spending more time making assumptions than researching how they reached their findings.
If you’re going to post about it, why not look into their sampling process before complaining? Otherwise, the only one coming off as biased is you.
Well, look who else is making assumptions …. you have no clue how I research something, so zip it. What I stated was factual and accurate. Stop your whining.
So, back up your post with facts. I’d enjoy reading why you think the poll is biased. I’m sure a lot us would, but your post is vapid. You’re just shooting the messenger.
See, this is a public forum and I owe you no responsibility to provide you with data. You want data, go look it up. It’s out there.
You’re the one claiming that the poll is biased, so the burden is on you to show proof if you want to be taken seriously. If not, I don’t really care. It just reflects poorly on you.
Seriously. There is absolutely no burden on me what so ever. Maybe in your “brain” but not in the real world. Glad you don’t care … less spam in my inbox.
Nice debating skills you have…
Again, you are the one choosing to start a debate. My goodness, you do have a hard time keeping up with the facts, don’t you?!
You posted in a public forum. People read these posts, which sometimes shape opinions. If I see something that I’d like clarification on, I’ll ask. Which I did.
If you don’t want to be challenged, don’t post.
Again, you don’t set the “rules” for this forum and so no one owes you any further information or clarification when they post here. It’s not owed to you, stop asking for it when you are told go find it yourself. You are not King or ruler of the forum. You can not insist on information from others on the forum. Take some of the time you are using here and seek the answers you are looking for on your own. It’s easy.
I never claimed to set the rules…just pointing out the reality.
There you go again drinking the Kool-Aid. ;)
Actually, that would taste good right about now :)
So you are not denying you are King?
Really? People let that comment go for 4 hours without saying something? Seriously? Where are all the smart-aleks and wiss-butts? The perfect set up, and no one is going to take it? Guess it is up to me then…
Do all those debating skills make him/her a… wait for it… master debator?
Just as it should be! Dill, while smart, does not have the breadth of experiences to be a U S Senator. Summers just isn’t likable – his turn against Sen Snowe shows his true colors! King was a successful Governor, is a successful businessman, and has great integrity. Now, I didn’t say everyone will like his positions but at least he will tell you what and why of his beliefs.
King was a tax & spend governor. If that is “successful then we have a lot of untapped success in the Maine legislature. Why King? Because he has a name people remember. Is it tied to anything positive? That is for the other candidates to explore, and expose.
Nothing but a democrat hiding behind the independent tag
He saddle the taxpayer with laptops fo 7 – 12 graders. I can`t afford to go out and buy an apple computer but let`s give nothing but the best to kids that could care less.
Angus is going to side with Obama and Reed on everything
Yet you still havent shown how either one subverted the Constitution.
Angus oversaw the Fingerprinting of Teachers, violating search and seisure laws and the right for a person be free in his person. Treating all Teachers as criminal suspects.
However, Lepage and the Republicans want to do the same thing, They want to drug test Those evil Welfare recipeants. You can be sure that ol’ lockstep charlie will be with them as he signed the Norquist Hostage Pledge.
Dill jumps around on Verterans Monuments, so SHE will take the heat! She caught the attention of the media.
Hey! It’s the American Media way!
Real issues don’t matter, just the scandalous attention getting ones.
I AM a teacher and I support fingerprinting. Those of us with nothing to hide know that this is how we keep sex offenders and felons out of our schools. So your argument is a load of bunk. Fingerprinting is common, especially in sensitive jobs that require security clearances or involve the safety of our children. I am also a MOM. I remember the janitor in Sacramento who assaulted and killed a kid before he had been fingerprinted. Fingerprinting helps protect our kids. Most teachers balked at the cost, but not the practice. It just makes sense…unless you have something to hide.
Nothing to hide?
Once fingerprinted a teacher can be a suspect due to any object in the class room that he or she may have touched that later turned up as a weapon. Tell me about it when you are in jail because the T square was used to club someone and your fingerprints where the only ones on it because after all you pick up after these kids every day!Protect our children? Give me a break, children are protected by a vigilante watch BY those teachers, not a Vigilante watch ON those Teachers.
Wow. Really? Let me guess…you also think NASA lied about the Moon missions and that everything they do on CSI is legitimate.
This is just…wow. So insane I just can’t even answer it.
Paranoid much?
Paranoid much? http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/mass-surveillance-uk-releases-new-details-of-plan-to-track-all-citizens-communications/2012/06/14/gJQARl53bV_story.html
The UK is the trendsetter when it comes to war-like surveillance and spying on a country’s own people. How long until our own government enacts a similar law? And will you continue to accuse those who question it or are against it of being paranoid with something to hide?
Step back and think about what’s happening. Yeah, there are criminals in the US and the UK, but is the only solution to treat us all as potential criminals?
I understand what you are saying but it really is a matter of all of us being treated as suspects. Fingerprinting to cash a check (in case we’re breaking the law), fingerprinting to be a teacher (in case we’re a law-breaker), scanning ALL license plates (in case we’re a law-breaker), watching us as we walk down the streets (in case we’re law-breakers). It might help the kids, yeah, but what about the people who were never caught? These types of laws are sometime a feel-good measure.
Your last line is outrageous. You are saying that anyone who question these blanket registration and surveillance laws are hiding something where, really, most of us wish to retain our civil rights and the anonymity and privacy that come with a free society.
King need not be concerned about instilling an aura of mystery concerning his political positions and flawed ideology to Mainers . An unproductive and dilatory tour at the Blaine House, lavish payoffs from the Federal government to underwrite his Quixote quests, and the rapacious destruction of Maine’s wilderness are all too familiar themes to those who have eyes to see. Like his ebony inamorata in Washington, King will pursue an agenda of moral decline and uncontrolled spending, ignoring the wishes of hard-working Mainers while ushering our children and grandchildren into an age of government excess that resigns them to a common existence. This mildewed remnant of average intellect will unlikely go away in the near future; however, he should be reminded frequently and often that a failed legacy cannot be easily obfuscated.
Look Ma! Erudite nonsense!
Look Ma! No brains!!
Someone nudge the needle…it seems to be stuck again.
king angus committed the worst crime against mother earth. he cracked her life blood and pours poisons into the wounds. he kills her winged ones. he will not protect mother earth.
How do you feel about BP & Exxon? They’ve done more damage.
Wow
What the Democratic Party in Maine has to realize is that the people loathe the far left as much as they do the far right. Neither majopr party candidate will even be in the running for the senate seat
All I know for sure is I am not voting for King, still reviewing options.
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What a bunch of BS–a public radio poll? be real.
Maybe you should look at the actual poll before dismissing it out of hand – http://www.scribd.com/doc/97234718/WBUR-Poll-Angus-King-Heavy-Favorite-To-Replace-Sen-Snowe
Will help you get votes thats for sure…..
Talk about spew! Peeeyew! Anyone tell you lately that the republican party in Maine is a vast minority, and the only way your guy will ever win will be to garner independent and democrat votes? You’ve got a pretty big bark for someone with no bite.
That sure explains LePage as Governor, Collins & Snowe as Senators, but I hope you wont be too upset when Charlie Summers wins the election…. :-P
FYI The majority of people in Maine are conservative…!
Conservative, really that’s y it’s been a liberal house senate, for what over 30 years., and how did the Bald guy get voted Gov 2 times., not to mention obama.
Yeah, Conservative
Neither Snowe or Collins have signed fielty to Grover Norquist. Charlie Summers bragged that he has signed Norquists pledge twice.
Do you want a Senator who has signed a pledge that is written by an unelected puppet master?
I certainly dont want King, and Dill is just an outright joke.
Most north of Bangor really hate Dill, more so than Baldacci.
Angus is not the moderate or bipartisan that he say he is, and like Dill is bought and paid for by the greenies
Is being bought and paid for by the Koch brothers or the TEA party or even just a bunch of socially and intrusively conservatives any better?
“Greenies”-like that’s a bad thing!
I am pretty sure that there is a pretty small overlap of supporters who are for Collins or Snowe and at the same time LePage.
What sort of conservative are you referring to? The sort like Collins and Snowe or the sort that feels the need to use big government to enforce a socially conservative agenda?
Summers is a better choice. I don’t trust King and he is radical.
I wasn’t polled, we’re you?
King and Pickles can sit there and agree on everything while Summers has a mind of his own..
I always lie when polled.(-;
Well said!
The problem with Independents is I’m never quite sure what they stand for.
Let’s see: we have a poll conducted by a public radio station – a notoriously biased medium with appropriate comments selected from such terrifically objective entities as “political scientist” Amy Fried. Pardon me if I do not fall into line with the two democrats and their supporters however their “dominance” may be concocted in their dreams! I see an attorney and a retread political hack running against a real person, a veteran and someone who has WDC experience that the two democrats lack.
Summers is the man for Maine in November!
Maybe you should look at the actual poll before dismissing it out of hand – http://www.scribd.com/doc/97234718/WBUR-Poll-Angus-King-Heavy-Favorite-To-Replace-Sen-Snowe
Big surprise another positive story to support same sex marriage.
Gotta keep the ad profits high. They want a share of that matching 100k. haha
Everyone should stop referring to King as an “independant.” He is a Democrat that did not have the intestinal fortitude to enter the primary. If he is elected, he will immediately run the LPD (Liberal, Progressive, Democrat) flag up the pole and we will have one more taxer and spender in WDC!
The root of the argument on homosexuality lies in natural
law not civil law. Man is going against the laws of nature that God put in
place when he created life. God made the woman for the man in Genesis. God made
the animals male and female. Animals don’t mate with the same sex because they
are incapable of coming up with the same darkened philosophies that man has and
uses to justify unnatural behavior such as homosexuality. The whole problem
lies in sinful man using his sinful will against a holy, righteous God and
perverting and rebelling against the laws He put in place. The Bible is clear
on this subject and no man whether clergyman on civil servant and no law or
philosophical view will ever void the Word of God. It is true today and
will be true in the end. Homosexuality is unnatural, men were not made that
way. They were not born gay. They turned against the light and truth of
nature that God put in place and made a CHOICE to be gay. They’ve had to
REDEFINE God’s definition of marriage so as to justify themselves.
My choice is to live in truth and love.
My blessing is that I have found someone so special to live life with.
My wish is that we will be able to protect our life together with civil marriage.
Vote yes in November, for that is the right thing to do for our fellow Mainers.
As a gay person, let me tell you that I didn’t choose to be attracted to other guys. It’s just part of my nature. My personal experience tells me I was born this way, so who are you to say otherwise?
One choice I did have was to hand my free-thinking over to religious dogma or stay in the rational world. I prefer the clear mind.
Regarding homosexual behavior in the realm of the wild, I’ve provided some reading for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
Your personal experience isn’t the authority on homosexuality. Your feelings and inclinations towards homosexuality is not from God. Your believing a lie. God did not make you that way. God says plainly that sexual experience with someone of the same gender is “against nature”. It OPPOSES the very nature God gave us.
“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.“
Romans 1:26 -27
You’re attempting to make a point by quoting the bible. I’m an atheist. You may as well quote Mother Goose…it would be just as effective.
If you want to continue this discussion with me, you’ll need to use rational statements.
you might as well believe you are mother goose because your living in a fantasy world where you are god and are judging the bible to be wrong.
You won’t be an atheist in the end you know.
“For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
(Romans 14:11-12)
I’m not trying to be harsh I am just stating facts from the REAL Authority on Everything. You ever wonder how the earth hangs on nothing as do the other planets? Or how our solar systems stays in such accurate order so that we can set our clocks and calenders by them? The earth wouldn’t have to get too much out of it’s orbit for us all to burn up but it doesn’t. It can’t be explained without God. “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:” (Romans 1:20) The creation you can see is a witness to the power and glory of the one who created them.
Ok, here’s where you’re wrong. Quoting you: “You won’t be an atheist in the end you know”.
No, I don’t know. And neither do you. Nobody knows what’s out there. All we have are ancient stories written by men. Why anyone would choose to believe those is beyond me.
What I DO know from observing the world around me is that people are gullible. They too often believe what other people tell them because they feel the need to believe it. It somehow fills a void in their lives.
That’s what religion does. Whether it’s yours or that of the Muslims, from the huge Catholic church to the smallest cult, they all have zealous believers. People who resist change because it conflicts with their dogmatic beliefs. People willing to blow themselves up to make a point.
So again, quoting the bible to me is useless, bordering on laughable. But continue if you feel you must. Just bear in mind that simply because you want something to be true, doesn’t mean it is.
somainecoast why are you bothering with this sanctimonious drivel …. you deserve better !
forgive my intrusion..
Sometimes these posts are like putting a bag of Fritos in front of me…I know I shouldn’t dig in, but I can’t resist :)
Thank you for the chuckle!
Why have the editors kept this article in this spot for the entire day? Does it lead you to think they are pushing a King senatorship? Yup, bias rules at BDN. But who knew?
Your ignorantly offensive prejudices simply show readers why gays and lesbians have had such a long road to travel for our equal treatment in government and society.
Civil marriage for same-sex couples is the right thing to do, for all Maine families should be able to protect the lives they build together.
The belief that marriage can consist of two wives or two husbands or two “partners” is more than ignorant prejudice. It is insanity.
Read about the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS to see just how “normal” all this really is.
The “WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS” has nothing to do with SSM. The case involves a pedophile from the 1920s in California. Pedophilia and homosexuality are unrelated to each other.
No, he wasn’t merely a homosexual pedophile.
He was a homosexual pedophile psychotic mass murderer.
It still has nothing to do with SSM.
Pedophile fact #1 – Pedophiles don’t care about the sex of the victim.
Pedophile fact #2 – Pedophiles are attracted to the AGE of the victim not the sex of the victim.
You are incorrect about one. Most pedophiles care greatly about the gender of their victims. Note that many of the convicted priests used boys exclusively.
You are partially correct about #2. there is usually an age preference for pedophiles.
Mark a pedophile by definition is age not gender dependent.
If you care to do any amount of research about pedophilia you will learn that a) many pedophilies are in “committed heterosexual” relationships, b) care more about age than gender, and c) normally choose professions which allow access to children without raising suspicion (i.e. clergy, teachers, daycare worker, etc…).
Research has shown that heterosexual and homosexuals are just as likely to committ the crime of pedophilia. Why? Because it is a crime of power and control over the youngest most vulnerable members of our society…our children.
I HAVE done much research on the subject and have an advanced degree. Most pedophiles (estimates as high as 95%) prefer one gender EXCLUSIVELY. The latest studies (Bloom, Michaels, and Heath) suggest that pedophilia is a disorder which occurs when the subject is socially retarded (yes I meant to use that word) and is unable to form appropriate adult relationships. Often the pedophile was sexually abused as a youngster, and the age at which he/she was abused (more often men than women) is the age preferred by the pedophile..
Pedophilia and adult homosexuality are unrelated.
“Pedophilia and adult homosexuality are unrelated.”
Which was my point from the beginning…now try telling that to SonofBangor who seems fixated on attempting to link pedophilia and adult homosexuality, the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS, and the movie the “Changeling” to SSM here in Maine.
Are you normal ?
Read any number of true crime books and you’ll see that far more often heterosexuals are committing crimes. Do you spew ignorant hatred at couples getting married in general?
Nope? Then you’re just another hypocrite, it seems, bringing up unrelated issues in an attempt to discredit our very valid and real need for civil marriage.
Here is a brief review of the facts of the case
The murderers (yes plural as there were more than one)
Gordon Stewart Northcott (male)
Sarah Louise Northcott (Gordon’s mommy)
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Mommy claims that Gordon was sexually abused by ALL members of his family (that would include Mommy).
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Convictions
Mommy got life in prison for murdering Walter Collins but was released after serving 12 whole years.
Gordon was convicted of kidnapping, molesting, torturing and murdering three boys. He was sentenced to death and was hung in 1930
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Some people believe that Gordon (and Mommy too?) committed approximately 20 murders but no evidence existed at the time and the only convictions were those listed above.
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So those are the facts of the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS.
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NOW…WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SSM HERE IN MAINE?
Pedophilia and homosexuality are unrelated. Heterosexual pedophiles outnumber homosexuals 11 to 1 (PubMed .gov reference: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756 )
That’s not true. 89% of pedophiles are homosexuals. Perhaps if you actually read the article you posted, “This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among
persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in
persons who develop heterosexually. ” Meaning that Homosexuals outnumber Heterosexuals when it come to pedophilia 11:1. This is NOT the same as saying 89% of homosexuals are pedophiles.
You are lying. You have completely switched around the numbers to support your lie. Heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals when it comes to pedophilia 11:1, meaning the vast majority of pedophiles are indeed heterosexual.
Once again you are off topic. Pedophilia is a crime…being homosexual is not.
Pedophilia is a crime of power and control and is more about the age then the gender of the victim.
Let’s see, A poll sponsored by NPR. I’m sure it’s an unbiased poll.
Maybe you should look at the actual poll before dismissing it out of hand – http://www.scribd.com/doc/97234718/WBUR-Poll-Angus-King-Heavy-Favorite-To-Replace-Sen-Snowe
I did read it. The fine print states that it was sponsored by WBUR, an NPR affiliate. Why did you think I didn’t read it?
Maybe I didn’t word my question properly…I went to the poll, read the questions, read the responses, read the breakdown of the people called based on age and party affiliation. What I read seem fairly reasonable given the early point we are at in this campaign season.
Well, this is interesting. MA-NE.net probably has it right: “HIJACK” MARRIAGE POLL seems to fit.
One persons opinion.
Just for the heck of it, before the censors zap another of your insane posts, would you be so kind as to tell us what the Wineville murders have to do with SSM? Because the killer was gay? Why not drag Dahmer into this while you’re at it? Or that dude in Canada who was mailing out body parts?
Now, shall we open the book on criminal insanity in the straight world?
No. Because it is not a reflection of straight people in general. Nor are the Wineville crimes in any way a condemnation of gays.
On second thought, forget my request for an explanation. Perhaps it’s time for you to step away from the computer. Maybe adjust your meds. Watch some reruns of Lassie. Whatever it takes.
You really sound like someone on the edge of being dangerous.
Article at WOT7.com (a link from another website linked to MA-NE.net) says…
“We cannot embrace gay marriage anymore than we can accept arranged marriage, child marriage, common-law marriage, group marriage, polygamy, and the like, including pet
marriages. There are documented cases of people marrying their pets and at least one website that advocates it. Will marrying your pet gain in popularity as it slowly becomes legitimized like the gay movement with marriage did? Will we soon see referendum questions on ballots asking us to vote for it or be a bigot?”
People marrying their pets? Legally? Link, please (the WOT link didn’t provide it, either). I know I could Google it, but you’re the one making the claim.
For the record, I wouldn’t want laws passed that allowed people to marry their pets any more than you would. But to suggest that SSM would open the door to that seems pretty desperate on your part.
Why can’t you “slippery slope” people focus on one issue? I’ll (yet again) repeat what I’ve posted before. Show us a state or country whose society has suffered as a direct result of SSM being legal.
If polygamists or pet lovers (of the extreme kind) or whatever want to try to get the law on their side regarding marriage, they can get that ball rolling at any time. It’s up to common sense to prevail.
There’s a fundamental reason why SSM should be legal. It’s between two consenting adults of the same gender who, by nature, are not attracted to persons of the opposite sex.
Jack you might want to learn the difference between an “article” and an “opinion piece”. After much digging I found the “article” you pulled the quote from.
“Gay or Same-Sex Marriage Are Oxymorons” is identify on the website as follows – “Written by WOT7 on April 8, 2012 in Editorials”
Editorials are a persons opinion or a groups position on a specific topic. In this case that opinion is WOT7 (whatever that is) and Andrew Roberts a WOT7.com Contributing Columnist.Regardless of it source it is an editorial (opinion) and not an article.
Wow, what an ignorant editorial you’ve shared!
Nowhere has gay marriage led to any of that. Not in anywhere in the United States, nor in any of the many countries where same sex marriage is available.
If you can’t argue against gay marriage without bringing up polygamy, pedophilia or bestiality, you don’t really have any argument against gay marriage.
Gayriage anyone?
Jack do you often steal other peoples work. “Gayriage anyone?” was the last line in an editorial from WOT7 ( http://wot7.com/?p=346 ) called “Gay or Same-Sex Marriage Are Oxymorons”. It is not nice to steal other peoples work.
Incompetent governor to incompetent Senator
Leftist polling firm from Mass..http://www.massinc.org/About/The-MassINC-Polling-Group.aspx
I don’t put much stock in it…
Maybe you should look at the actual poll before dismissing it out of hand – http://www.scribd.com/doc/97234718/WBUR-Poll-Angus-King-Heavy-Favorite-To-Replace-Sen-Snowe
Thanks BDN for your in depth reporting on a poll conducted by Boston NPR.
We do not need Augus Beef for the US Senate in 2012. Just think 4yrs of him in Washington. Just another SK novel,
6 yrs in the senate
Ok. I was hoping I wouldn’t have to remind voters of what a do nothing governor King was. Let me prick your memories …. “Maine Is On the Move”. Sound familiar? In his eight year tenure where did
Maine move to? This man is a very a personable and charismatic individual, but a successful leader he is not. He did nothing for the state as governor and he will do even less as US Senator. Simply put, he is all talk and no action; all show with little or nothing substantive to bring to the table. Don’t be fooled a second time.
Actually the most interesting finding of the poll has nothing to do with early 2012 horse races, but the finding that LePage sits at a 40% approval rating. He got 39% in a freaky, low-turnout election in 2010 and is now so beloved that he climbed a whole one point in two years? Looks like this duck is still sitting.
Is there that many stupid people out ther that believe this poll…
we’re in trouble if there is.
THOSE RECORDINGS CALLED MY HOUSE SO LATE THAT I PROBABLY WILL NEVER VOTE AGAIN !!!!! THERE IS KNOW NEED OF THEM CALLING YOUR HOUSE AT 10:30 AT NIGHT !!!!
I hope Cynthia Dill won’t make the same mistake as Libby Mitchell and avoid campaigning in the First District. Unlike the smarmy Angus King, she deserves better name recognition because unlike King (and most of her fellow Democrats — forget the Republicans of course) she actually has something to say, she says it intelligently and in direct honest English. I won’t attempt to speak for her because she would do a much better job. What I would say is I hope that when she does come to “the other Maine,” undecided voters will pay attention to what she says and recognize this is a rare candidate we have before us.
Not all people think the same, because you could say the same thing on both sides of the issue.
The polls will probably change when Mainers find out that:
King is a Scalawag from Virginia who feels the Country would have been better off if the Confederates had won the civil war, and is the architect of the “laptops” program which is a tremendous waste of taxpayer money, and a great benefit to King’s own personnel portfolio.
Sort of like a Romney without the cruelty to animals thing.
Care to document any of the accusation you made about Govenor King?
Read the papers.. Do your own research.
That’s not how it works Mark. You made accusation about former Governor King and didn’t provide any proof to substantiate your claims. You got called on it and like many poster you cannot substantiate claims such as:
“King is a Scalawag”,
“who feels the Country would have been better off if the Confederates had won the civil war”,
“the “laptops” program which is a tremendous waste of taxpayer money”, and
“a great benefit to King’s own personnel portfolio”.
You made the claims you provide the proof. It is not my job to do YOUR research to back up YOUR posts.
I will not forget Summers tried to STOP same day registration to vote….I will vote for ANGUS.
Angus King is stressing the issue of working together to solve problems which will resonate well among all those tired of the name calling and flame throwing. He reminds us that the U.S. Senate and the House are the results of compromising by the writers and ratifiers of the constitution. One represents the states equally; the other represents the distribution of population. Our government would not have been possible without compromise. It’s how a democracy works.
The nation was not born out of any spirit of compromise. Further, compromise should not birth politics beneath the standards worthy of our venerable Republic.
If a candidate refuses to respect Mainers with unannounced leadership intentions he will not be elected in this contemporary environment. King may gamble that speaking few or no words will provide political cover for his actual unannounced words but the game is over. Summers needs to earn the respect of Mainers by extracting out of King exactly who he is, what he believes, what his goals are and most importantly where Mainers fit into his political plans. Mainers will judge his words for truthfulness.
In this instance Veteran Summers, sir, your best offense is our best defense.
Yeah, that’s why Snowe has something like 80% approval rating! All because she refuses to compromise! Oh wait….
The intent of my above post will be recognized by anyone open to the truth it leads to but feel free to interpret it any way you want.
It’s silly to say that it’s respecting Maine to refuse to compromise and to take hard-right stances on the issues. That’s not what Maine is about.
As per usual, Mainer, we’ll have to agree to disagree knowing there are plenty of people who will back either opinion.
Have a Great Day, Mainer!
LeBUFFOON gets 41% approval? That sounds too high. Hard to believe that many people would approve of this goofball. However, a solid much higher number DISAPPROVE of the fool, so that is certainly to be expected and does not at all bode well for the TeaPubs come fall when they get CRUSHED at the polls.
Take a look at the rest of the field. Based on that King is the best.
It would be a sad day for Maine if we once again elect this man to office. He has had his chance to represent Maine as governor and failed miserably to move this state forward. Instead he failed to save money for the state in the good times, used it unwisely and added to the state burden. We need to give someone else a chance in Washington to help this state become the glorious state it once was many years ago.
A waste of time…………
If the poll showed 55% support gay marraige why does the graph clearly show 60%? please attempt to come up with one innocent reason to make this mistake??????????
That is an excellent question and one that Eric Zelz of the BDN who prepared the chart should address.
So how about it BDN…do you have a reason why the poll percentage and the chart don’t match up?
Well, Convivial Visits, homosexual perpetrators are over-represented in bizarre, horrendous crimes.
Read about the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS and you will understand.
Well one of the worse mass murders in the history of the world was a white heterosexual male by the name of Adolph Hitler.
So following your logic all white heterosexual males are mass murders.
Wrong.
There is no correlation between sexuality and genocide by leaders of modern states.
But there is a correlation between sexuality and bizarre crimes such as the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS.
And once again, you have it backwards.
Mao, a Communist like the “Father of the Gay Rights Movement,” Harry Hay, is responsible for the deaths of sixty million people.
That puts him in the camp of the Left, along with the supporters of “gay marriage.”
Actually I am not wrong Son. If Hitler had never risen to power 2.5.% of the worlds population (60,000,000+ people) would not have died as a result.
By the way you still haven’t provided the “gay agenda” links yet Son.
We will let the readers decide if I have made my case.
Let them look up the founders of the gay rights movement, then determine for themselves if the movement has an agenda.
This any reasonable person can do.
Other than that, the bizarre behavior at gay shame parades speaks for itself.
1) Harry Hay
2) Magnus Hirschfeld
3) Wilhelm Reich
4) The Wineville Chicken Coop Murders
Son you haven’t even attempted to answer the question asked. What “gay agenda”?
You answer with historical figures. You answer with a 1920s California pedophile that committed heinous murders.
If I asked you to show the Amendments to the Bill of Rights you could have done that. If I had asked you to list steps for field stripping a Glock you could have done so. But ask you to list the “gay agenda” and you come back with nothing, zero, nada. The answer to the question be default is there is NO “gay agenda”.
That is preposterous.
The material which reveals the homosexual agenda (gay marriage, normalizing homosexual marriage, teaching it in the schools) is so voluminous, it would be too much of an effort to summarize it here.
I have pointed you to the writings of Harry Hay, “The Father of the Gay Rights Movement” who was also a card-carrying member of the Communist Party. It is your responsibility to do the research and draw the correct conclusions.
To say there is no agenda or over-all strategy for the movement, or to say there is one single document which sets forth the official strategy is preposterous. There are many such documents.
One such document is described below.
Why are you so anxious to have the public believe there is no strategy or agenda for your movement?
Wouldn’t you be the first political movement in history without an agenda?
The Republican Party has no agenda? The Democratic Party has no agenda? The local Rotary Club has no agenda?
The Webster’s definition of the word “agenda” is “a detail of work to be done.”
Are you proposing sir, with a straight face, that your movement desires to accomplish nothing?
Now tell the readers of this forum that your movement does not desire, plan, and work to achieve same sex marriage, equal rights, and the normalizing of homosexuality.
Or are you working towards those things while at the same time telling the public you are not?
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In 1987 Kirk partnered with Hunter Madsen (who used the pen name “Erastes Pill”) to write an essay, The Overhauling of Straight America,[1] which was published in Guide Magazine. They argued that gays must portray themselves in a positive way to straight America, and that the main aim of making homosexuality acceptable could be achieved by getting Americans “to think that it is just another thing, with a shrug of their shoulders”. Then “your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won”. The pair developed their argument in the 1989 book “After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the ’90s.” The book outlined a public relations strategy for the LGBT movement. After its publication Kirk appeared in the pages of Newsweek, Timeand The Washington Post.
The book is often critically described by social conservatives as important to the success of the LGBT Movement in the 90’s and as part of an alleged “homosexual agenda”. The conservative Christian group Focus on the Familyclaim that,
First, I have no horse in this race other then extending a civil right to a minority group that already exists in other states.
Second, when you make a claim, i.e. that there is a “gay agenda” it is up to the person making the claim to prove it. It is not up to me to do your research for you.
Third, the whole “if this passes it will mean it will be taught in Maine schools starting in kindergarten” was a lie in 2009 and is a lie today. The opponents to SSM admitted it was a lie after the 2009 vote.
Do how many post did it take you to come up with an example from 1967? Any movement, the fight for Civil Rights, the battle for Equal Rights, etc…will have extremists to take advantage of the situation. i.e. the Black Panthers, etc…but to say that all blacks or all women or all gays are extremists is just plan garbage.
My mission this afternoon has been accomplished. You stopped posting “w+x+y=z” statements. In my book that was a win
Oh, I am not talking about “an extremist taking advantage of a movement” I am talking about the “Father of the Gay Rights Movement” Harry Hay, a Communist.
And rather than proclaiming yourself the winner, wouldn’t it be more appropriate to let the readers decide who won the argument, just as they will decide whether or not there is indeed a homosexual agenda?
On another point: I am fortunate enough to read a bit of Norwegian.
The fellow you cited as an expert on animal behavior holds a graduate degree in zoology from the University of Oslo. He is a lecturer at the museum, and does not even hold a Ph.D.
I will let the readers decide on his competence to make a profound new discovery regarding the animal kingdom.
It is very unfortunate that people with a limited knowledge of a subject are allowed to perpetuate these sorts of hoaxes.
1500 hundred species, eh? Are you sure he wasn’t thinking of Heinz’s 57 varieties?
You have truly been letting the readers decide, that is certain.
Keep up these attacks full of hateful, outrageous conspiracy theory, you are doing us a world of good here!
Well Son I couldn’t agree with you more on the following statement from the above post, “It is very unfortunate that people with a limited knowledge of a subject are allowed to perpetuate these sorts of hoaxes.”
So if you feel that way, why do you continue to do it?
Let’s review some of the “hoaxes” you have posted today and yesterday….
A pedophile in California from the 1920s and murders children is some how related to SSM and homosexuality.
If SSM is allowed to pass in Maine it will be “taught” in our schools.
That pedophilia and homosexuality are some how related to each other.
That Hitler was not a mass murderer when his actions resulted in the deaths of some 60,000,000+ people.
That the “gay agenda” is somehow related to the Communist party because one of the founders of the “gay agenda” happens to be a Communist.
That homosexuals are the only people that practice sodomy.
I could go on but I think that covers the general “hoaxes” you continue to perpetrate.
Regrettably, none of the above fits the definition of a hoax. These are assertions which can be proven true or false.
Perhaps you could look up the definition of the word, and see if it pertains to my statements or to the scientific hoax being perpetrated at the University of Oslo.
The WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS are very pertinent to the present debate over same sex marriage, as is the killing of Fred Wilson by Bruce LaVallee-Davidson.
OK Son here is your opportunity to explain what a California case (WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS) from the 1920s involving a pedophile and murder has to do with SSM. Please try and link a that case to SSM here in Maine.
I will leave that up to the readers who want to research the facts, or they can simply see the movie “The Changeling.”
Yes by all means people should look to a fictional Canadian horror movie for information about SSM. Makes perfect sense to you I am sure.
Fictional, my good man?
Are you asserting that the movie’s retelling of the story of Reverend Briegleb and the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS was “fictional?”
Neither was the movie “fictional” nor a horror movie.
Rev. Gustav BrieglebDr. Gustav A. Briegleb (September 26, 1881 – May 20, 1943)Briegleb was a Presbyterian minister and pioneer radio evangelist. He was the pastor of St. Paul’s Presbyterian Church, Jefferson Boulevard at Third Avenue, Los Angeles, California. He took up many important causes in the City of Los Angeles in the 1920s and 1930s, most notably the poor handling of the Walter Collins kidnapping case in 1928.
Yes Son “The Changeling” (which is the movie YOU listed) is a 1980 Canadian horror movie staring George C. Scott among others
“It was the perfect family vacation for composer John Russell and his
family when a freak automobile accident claims the lives of his wife and daughter. Consumed by grief, John, at the request of friends, rents an
old turn of the century house. Mammoth in size, the house seems all the room that John needs to write music and reflect. He does not realize
that he is not alone in the house. He shares it with the spirit of a murdered child who has homed in on John’s despair and uses him to uncover decades of silence and deceit. With the help of Claire Norman, the one who aided John in procuring the house, they race to find the answers and soon learn that a devious and very powerful man guards them.”
Source – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080516/
Changeling is a 2008 American drama film directed byClint Eastwood and written by J. Michael Straczynski. Based on real-life events in 1928 Los Angeles, the film stars Angelina Jolie as a woman who is reunited with her missing son—only to realize he is an impostor. She confronts the city authorities, who vilify her as an unfit mother and brand her delusional. The dramatized incident was connected to the “Wineville Chicken Coop” kidnapping and murder case.Changeling explores female disempowerment, political corruption, child endangerment, and the repercussions of violence. Ron Howard intended to direct, but scheduling conflicts led to his replacement by Eastwood. Howard and hisImagine Entertainment partnerBrian Grazer producedChangeling alongside Malpaso Productions’ Robert Lorenz and Eastwood. Universal Picturesfinanced and distributed the film.
After hearing about the case from a contact at Los Angeles City Hall, Straczynski spent a year researching the historical record. He said he drew 95% of the script from around 6,000 pages of documentation.
Son here are the key words taken from your post and what they mean.
“Drama” is the specific mode of fiction represented in performance.
“Based on” adapted from real events.
“dramatized” to express or represent (something) in a dramatic or exaggerated way.
So if this was about the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS why was the focus on:
“female disempowerment”,
“political corruption”,
“child endangerment”,
“and the repercussions of violence”
and not the actual events?
And….WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SSM HERE IN MAINE?
Barry Manilow sang the theme song to the Polaroid Swinger commerciasl in 1964 or so. Those commercials also featured a happenin’ and groovy Ali McGraw swinging away on the beach and at the park with her friends. Check it out at Youtube! It’s a gas!
That’s about the same impact on SSM that that movie has…. Although my example is more fun.
And you still haven’t explained how a California murder case from the 1920s has ANYTHING to do with SSM here in Maine in 2012.
If he’s going to leave it up to a Hollywood movie to make up the voter’s mind, I’d like to suggest that they also watch “Beautiful Thing” to see how two people can fall in true love.
See below for a synopsis of the film you called “fictional.”
Excuse me Son but I called “The Changeling” a fictional movie which is the movie you posted and said was about the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS which it wasn’t. You cannot even admit that you posted the wrong movie.
NOW…WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SSM HERE IN MAINE?
You have truly been letting the readers decide, that is certain.
Keep up these attacks full of hateful, outrageous conspiracy theory, you are doing us a world of good here!
No, you are lying. Homosexuality does not predispose someone to be a criminal.
Seriously, you realize you are helping our cause by being such an outrageously hateful person toward us, don’t you?
WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS has nothing to do with SSM.
Here are the murderers (yes plural as there were more than one)
Gordon Stewart Northcott (male)
Sarah Louise Northcott (Gordon’s mommy)
Mommy claims that Gordon was sexually abused by ALL members of his family (that would include Mommy).
Convictions
Mommy got life in prison for murdering Walter Collins but was released after serving 12 whole years.
Gordon was convicted of kidnapping, molesting, torturing and murdering three boys. He was sentenced to death and was hung in 1930
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OK those are the facts of the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS.
Now….WHAT does this have to do with SSM here in Maine?
Holy cow-he has to go back to 1928 for that?
I think that he might be the only one fixated on guns+drugs=SSM or 1928+Los Angeles+kidnapping+murder=SSM. I think most people know that there are heinous people of all persuasions. Examples of which can be found almost any day in any newspaper in the world. To imply that gays are over-represented is preposterous. If one has FACTS other than an 85-year-old crime on the other side of the continent, I’d like to see it.
Changeling is a 2008 American drama film directed byClint Eastwood and written by J. Michael Straczynski. Based on real-life events in 1928 Los Angeles, the film stars Angelina Jolie as a woman who is reunited with her missing son—only to realize he is an impostor.
She confronts the city authorities, who vilify her as an unfit mother and brand her delusional. The dramatized incident was connected to the “Wineville Chicken Coop” kidnapping and murder case.
Universal Picturesfinanced and distributed the film.
After hearing about the case from a contact at Los Angeles City Hall, Straczynski spent a year researching the historical record. He said he drew 95% of the script from around 6,000 pages of documentation.
Here is a synopsis of your “fictional” film, jd2008jd.
You just cannot admit that you originally posted the wrong movie (“The Changeling”) can you Son?
And why do you continue to refuse to answer the question…..WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SSM HERE IN MAINE?
No, sir, you have selected only a few facts, which in their entirety give a misleading picture of the crime.
Northcott abducted and killed over 20 boys.
Having read through the annals of history East and West, and from ancient times, I regard this as the most horrifying crime in human history, with one possible exception.
Sorry Son but you can ignore facts if you like but his Mommy confessed and was convicted on one murder. He was convicted of three murders. It is thought he may have murdered up to 20 boys but there is no evidence that he did. Those are the agreed upon facts in the case.
NOW…WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SSM HERE IN MAINE?
Why are you downplaying Northcott’s crime?
Why are you omitting details pertaining the crime?
Only three? not twenty as the police believed?
As I say, this is the single most horrific crime in human history.
“Why are you downplaying Northcott’s crime?”
How am I downplaying his crime? I stated the facts of the case.
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“Why are you omitting details pertaining the crime?”
What details? I previously stated that he was convicted of “kidnapping, molesting, torturing and murdering three boys.” So what details am I “omitting”?
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“Only three? not twenty as the police believed?”
He was convicted of three murders and his Mommy was convicted of one murder. And again, I previously stated “he may have murdered up to 20 boys but there is no evidence that he did” and he wasn’t charged with any additional murders so the “official” count is 3.
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“As I say, this is the single most horrific crime in human history.”
Not by a long shot.
Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge polices accounted for the deaths of approximately 21% (1.7 to 2.5 million people) of the population of Cambodia (slightly over 8 million) in 3 years. That’s is 1,552 people a DAY! At that rate the city of Bangor would disappear in under 3 weeks!!
Joesph Stalin – It is estimated that Stalin killed approximately 20,000,000 people through his policies, assassinations, Gulags, etc…
Adolph Hitler – the Holocaust killed 11-14 million people, 6 million of them Jewish. 70 million people died in the Second World War as a whole.
Jim Jones and the “People’s Temple” – in addition to the 5 people killed at the airstrip in Guyana he oversaw the suicide of 909 people (303 of them children) in one DAY!! And let’s not forget that Jim Jones considered himself a “man of God”!!
So no SonofBangor while the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS was a horrific event and certainly the Northcotts (both Mommy and son) deserved the death penalty it is not and was not “the single most horrific crime in human history.”
NOW…AGAIN…WHAT DOES THE WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS HAVE TO DO WITH SSM HERE IN MAINE?
I watched all the debates before the primary. I “liked” Dill over Dunlop until I realized she was from Cape Elizabeth. Don’t want any more influence from the Portland area. Could see how Summers would be preferable over Poliquin, whose positions re: women’s rights and same-sex marriage are out of line with all but the evangelical right. Angus King is putting his positions clearly on the line and he will neither pander to McConnel or Reid which is in line with national polls.
“Polling on the issue of marriage has notoriously been wrong,” Bob
Emrich, chairman of Protect Marriage Maine, said in a statement.
VOTING on the issue of marriage is just plain WRONG. Something that should be a right — the right to choose to spend one’s life with a person of one’s choice should never go out to popular vote. It is no one else’s business!
I agree that the civil rights of a minority shouldn’t be put up for popular vote.
But since we’re voting, I will do what I can to explain the legitimate reasons same-sex couples in Maine need access to civil marriage.
In other words, I didn’t ask for this referendum, but since we’re having it I will be voting yes!
Yes. It is unlikely that with the current legislative makeup and the current governor that we’d be able to use that avenue again. And the courts take a looooong time. (Look at the Prop 8 trial).
The only way to get this into law is to bring it to the people again. The times looks good, what with the continual beating DOMA is getting in the federal courts, the end of DADT, the passage of same-sex marriage in New York and the current laws in Washington state and Maryland.
I agree that this shouldn’t be put to a vote, but, they keep telling us “LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE.” We’ll we’re doing just that, as is our right in this country (all you people who ask “How many TIMES?!?!?!).
When we win, I am sure we’ll be hearing Webster and his ilk accusing the vote of being fixed by illegal immigrant voters with cars registered in Massachusetts….
I guess I have a hard time wrapping my head around the reason why a Boston based NPR affiliated radio station even cares about the Maine election, and why they would pay MassInc to conduct this survey. There is a lot more to this than meets the eye. It certainly captures the results that BDN and others are looking for. I would also venture to say, interviewing 504 people is far from an accurate cross section of likely voters. Funny how a poll can be made to look any way one wants it to look. I like how they weighted the results based on future trends. Really?
If this were an isolated poll, that’d be one thing. However, this is a current trend, both here in Maine and in the US in general.
Why shouldn’t a Boston-based NPR station have this survey conducted? “There is a lot more to this than meets the eye.” What are you implying? And did you imply the same about the PEW poll in 2010? http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1755/poll-gay-marriage-gains-acceptance-gays-in-the-military
Or the March 2012 Public Policy Poll? http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/03/maine-miscellany.html
Or the April 2012 Pew Research Center poll?
http://www.people-press.org/2012/04/25/more-support-for-gun-rights-gay-marriage-than-in-2008-or-2004/ (I like that there is more support for gun rights, too!)
Or the May 2012 ABC News/Washington Post poll?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/polling/gay-marriage-opposition-hits-new-low/2012/05/23/gIQAd8yRjU_page.html
Or any of the polls conveniently listed here that show the trend? http://pollingreport.com/civil.htm
In order to answer the question about same sex marriage, the WINEVILLE CHICKEN COOP MURDERS must be understood thoroughly.
It is not the case, as jd2008jd claims, that there were only three victims.
It was the single most horrific crime I know of.
Study the life of Reverend Briegleb or Gordon Northcott, or see the movie “The Changeling” and you will know how to vote on same sex marriage.
“NO!”
Does this make sense to anyone else who opposes SSM?