So you don’t like what guitarist Ted Nugent said about President Barack Obama? That’s understandable, and it may be enough to cause you to skip his Bangor concert in July. But it’s not a reason, as two Bangor city councilors recently suggested, to cancel his performance.

The councilors are right to be concerned about Nugent’s threatening comments. What Nugent said at a recent National Rifle Association event — that if Obama is re-elected Nugent “will either be dead or in jail by this time next year” — was repugnant.

His statement, though, should not bar the Motor City Madman from opening for REO Speedwagon and Styx at the Waterfront Pavilion on July 8, as Councilors Joe Baldacci and Charlie Longo suggested.

Baldacci and Longo have the right to ask Waterfront Concerts promoter Alex Gray to stop Nugent from coming to Bangor, and it’s fine that they made their plea publicly. But just as they are protected by a First Amendment right to free speech, so is Nugent. The people who pay Nugent should make the call about his performance.

Making incendiary remarks about a president is nothing new. George W. Bush was pounded by attacks from the left, which labeled him a terrorist and unintelligent. To say they were over the top is a gross understatement, and one Iraqi journalist went even further, hurling his shoes at the president in 2008.

Absent a more serious threat than the antics of an old rock performer, the decision whether to keep Nugent on the schedule is up to the entity responsible for bringing him to Bangor. This holds true because the Secret Service said that after interviewing Nugent it resolved questions about his comments and determined it would take no further action.

Even though the Secret Service sees no need to act, hurling insults does have repercussions. Leaders of Fort Knox in Kentucky opted to cancel Nugent’s performance at an annual concert there this summer after learning of his remarks. Their decision is understandable and different from the situation in Bangor, considering Obama is the commander in chief of the Army post’s soldiers.

Just as it is Fort Knox’s decision to cancel, it’s the Bangor pavilion’s prerogative to keep Nugent on.

If you don’t like it, don’t go.

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      1.  Nice, a sense of humor. Well played!!  A personal characteristic normally not associated with left wingers. Congrats!!

  1. I’ve said that all along; if you don’t like him – don’t buy a ticket. It’s that simple. It’s the same choice I make for every concert. ..MY Choice!

     A balanced editorial. Good job!

  2. He was banned by the Army.  That’s good enough for me. I wonder how the other bands feel about it. He attracts an unsavory element.

    1. don’t care for him and not going anyway, but being banned by the Army doesn’t really tell anything. Remember that generals are politicians once they get the star on their shoulders. The leadership doesn’t want the SecDef to come down on them so they are playing it safe. 
      I might infer from reading some Styx lyrics that some of their songs might be considered anti-American, or anti-government. Should Styx be banned as well? this is just a knee jerk reaction, nothing more. 

  3. I find it rather ironic that the far right would stand behind Nugent given his history of illegal hunting, appetite for underage girls and he acted crazy (

    defecated in his pants) during an armed forces physical to avoid serving in the military. However, he is in good company with Limbaugh, Gingrich, and Cheney. Typical chicken hawk conservative. 

    1.  Agreed.  The headline reminds me of the expression, “Don’t Like Gay Marriage?  Don’t Have One.”

        1. Not attempting to be “stinging”, simply making a point. A point that seems to escape you.

          1. So one Clinton to a boatload of Limbaughs, Cheneys, Gingriches, Santorums, et al? Seems that when you look back over the past 50 years of political leaders in the US, a significant majority of the Republicans found a way to not serve while a significant majority of the Democrats did serve.

          2. Santorum was 16 years old when the Viet Nam war ended.  Biden was a draft dodger and flunked ROTC when he was in college so that cancels out Cheney.  Obama never served.  The only left wing talk show hosts I can think of were Al Franken; Ed Schultz who likewise didn’t serve and Chris Matthews who was a draft dodger.

  4. It would be foolish to sully the concert by having Nugent appear given the pre-concert controversy.  It’s already set up to be a problematic.  Also – neither Nugent, nor anyone else, should make threats of violence. 

    1.  The US Constitution disagrees with you. People have the right to make stupid statements. If those stupid statements are found to contain a credible threat, then the law will intervene.

    2. He didn’t make “threats of violence” take some time to learn the english langauge and then listen to what he had to say, instead of what your favorite liberal twit tells you he said.

  5. I’m opposed to him coming simply because I’m not sure that the universe can survive having the incredible concentration of dumb, camoflaged and aggressive that will descend on the city of Bangor for the show. 

    1. Ted Nugent is only 1/3 of the act that will perform that day.  I don’t think that the fans of REO Speedwagon and Styx are necessarily going to be  “dumb, camoflaged and aggressive”, I don’t even think it is fair to say that Ted’s fans can be described that way.  Just want to point out how open minded you appear right now, I think not.

    2. You will find more logic and common sense at a Ted Nugent concert in Bangor than any other day of the year.

    3. We have survived your presence, we can survive someone smarter than you who has talent as well.

  6. Very good point. Don’t like it..don’t go. No one
    is being forced to attend and he sure isn’t taking
    over a public place and squatting on it. Don’t like
    him then don’t pay to see him.

    1. I don’t like it, I don’t like him or his attitude, I don’t care for his piece of crap old music so….. I guess I probably won’t go.  Although I do have all my camo ready just in case I change my mind. I got my camo tank top, pants, wallet, shoes, hat, truck seat covers….. I’m ready if I decide to go. I can bring my hand gun to this right? Are we allowed to bring PBR in a cooler if the cooler is camo’d color too?

      1. Here are the answers to your questions kenny. All information taken from Waterfront Concert Series website.
        ALL AGES | Point & Shoot cameras: OK | Blankets: OK

        NO lawn chairs | NO umbrellas | NO weapons | NO contraband | NO coolers | NO outside food & beveragesNO detachable lens cameras | NO video camcorders | NO audio recording

        1.  None of those things?? Not even if they’re camo colored??  bummer.. it’s Obama’s fault!!

          1. No Camo!  You might not be able to find it after the show and people will be tripping all over the stuff.

          2.  You’d be surprised how difficult it is to find anything I own… even my camo underwear, watches, etc. I knew that camo key chain was a really bad idea..
             and you have no idea how many times I’ve fallen on my living room floor because I couldn’t see where my camo recliner was..

        1. I don’t know how to use a handgun..I keep pointing it at my head for some reason when I read some of these knuckle draggin’ responses.. got the shoe thing covered.. that is when I’m not wearing my camo boots..

  7. I don’t see the Fort Knox decision being all that different when it results in the same state sponsored restriction of speech that Bangor officials were attempting. How any self respecting liberal can condone restricting Nugent’s freedom of speech is beyond me.

    1.  Exactly! Bingo! Well said!    Freedom of speech is what it’s all about.  The Secret Service found his remarks to be nothing to act upon, so why should the city of Bangor?    Kinda reminds me of the Hollywood types who promised/threatened to leave the country if President Bush was reelected.  They never did.   Talk talk talk. 

    2. I am a self-respecting liberal who thinks Nugent should be allowed to perform. The first amendment gives people the right to expose themselves as fools. But I am troubled by the implied threat of violence in his remarks, and in the exaggerated rhetoric coming from some on the right who persist in degrading our lawfully elected commander in chief as somehow anti-American. Really, Ted, you’ll be dead or in jail if Obama is re-elected? Can you elaborate? Does the thought of national health care or high-speed rail make you reach for your guns? Are your basic American freedoms really under attack by this administration and its mostly centrist policies? Maybe Obama should have sent YOU to take out Osama bin Laden, AND to clean up the messes in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama looks more presidential every time someone like Nugent gives his paranoia a public airing.

      1.  Good response. But out of curiosity how did you feel when similar & worse things were aimed at Bush?

        1. First, I deplore threats of violence against any president. I don’t think the comments by Natalies Maine of the Dixie Chicks were in the same ballpark as Nugent’s, and I hope that’s not what you mean by “similar and worse.” I was often horrified by Bush’s policies. The unprovoked war in Iraq was a disaster from which we still haven’t recovered; ditto his tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. He should have been impeached for the Valerie Plame outing, which endangered her life and compromised US security in retaliation for her journalist husband’s exposing of an official lie. I did cringe when some of the rhetoric from the left went over the top, but from where I sit, the overall tone of the vitriol aimed at Obama has been much worse, and way out of proportion to anything Obama has proposed politically. Even if he tried to implement a European-style system of socialized medicine, for example (which he has not), it does not follow that he is a  “Marxist” out to “destroy America.” The birther nonsense is another example of a level of hysteria Bush didn’t face. But our political discourse has been going down hill since the Republicans turned the Clinton Whitewater investigation into an attempt to get something, anything, on a president they didn’t like, and all they could come up with was Monica. What a waste of time, money and energy. Not that both sides haven’t been excessive, but — and this only my opinion — the rhetoric from the right has been uglier, more violent, and more divisive.

  8. Longo and Baldacci should have kept their requests to Gray on the private-citizen level — instead, they used their official positions to ask that Gray cancel the concert. That’s not proper.

  9. Here we go again….another example of creative editing by the media to incite a conservative controversy.

    The statement “I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year” was not all Ted Nugent said. The media has glorified this into a huge outrageous threat to the president but before Nugent made this comment he was speculating what could happen to our 2nd Amendment Rights in this country if Obama is re-elected and this statement reflects that he is willing to die or go to jail defending those rights.

  10. I’ll be going. Ted Nugent is a patriot and a proud American. More than I can say about Obama!

    1. He might be “whimsically” proud, but what on earth makes him a patriot in your mind ? Maybe you should google Ted Nugent my friend !!!

    2. Why, have you been typing your thoughts for so long you’ve lost the power of verbal speech?

      1. Wow! Did I strike a nerve? I was a “rocker” back in the ’60’s; I love guns, my country and the constitution; and in that vein, I believe Ted Nugent and I are are like-minded. But that’s where it ends.

      2. Um, you obviously need a dictionary, because you don’t understand the work “patriot”.

    3. Like when he refused to serve his country in time of war or when he “dates” underage girls?

    1. Yes he is.  Don’t sell James “JY” Young or for that matter Tommy Shaw of Styx short though.  Both still amazing players and bona-fide rock stars.

  11. Oh I just love how the right wing Tea Potty bunch all cry foul when the left expresses it’s disdain for nugget and his bunch putting on their hate concert in Bangor. Do any of them remember their hysterical reaction to the Dixie Chicks opposition to bushie boys war? I certainly do, bunch of hypocrites I don’t recall the Dixie Chicks wishing violence or pushing hate, yet many of their concerts were cancelled and records were pulled off the shelves after the loonie right wing attacks on them. Go see your hate concert you bunch of hypocrites.

      1.  Pretty sure the Dixie chicks didn’t insinuate assassinating anyone, nor did they need to meet with the Secret Service after their comments about Bush. Maybe you should go back to AAA.

        1. What the HECK does that have to do with thrill’s comment?
          First, Nugent did NOT insinuate killing the president, if he had he would have been arrested. Threatening the president is a crime (unless you threaten Bush, then apparently it isn’t a big deal). If you think he threatened the president, you either don’t understand the english language or you never even took the time to hear what he said.

          1. Then could you please explain what he ment by “either being dead or in jail”??????????  Maybe that will clear things up.  Perhaps he ment that he would kill himself or admit to all the underage girls he had slept with??? 

          2. Let me help you with that:  Nugent believes that Obama will try to undo the second amendment (as all left-wingers try to do), and he’s not going to give up his rights to Obama.  Either they’ll take his guns over his dead body, or they’ll take them and arrest him.  It has nothing to do with assassination.  It has to do with the second amendment, which should really be easy to figure out given his association with the NRA.

        1. You obviously have never heard Rush if you can even try to compare him to Maher… but then again ignorance is oblivion are what keep people like you liberal, so …carry on.

        2. Never had any use for him. Once again. I am pro-all on the liberal agenda and yet I can’t stand ‘liberals. Any idea why?

           As far as Mahar, okay so it’s a trade off. Let’s be honest Mahar says something offensive just about every time he opens his mouth. To women,men, dogs. Whomever he can offend. It’s the only way he can stay relevant.

      1. Not very funny for me.  Takes himself to seriously for my taste but I agree with some of the things he has to say and some of the things I disagree with.

    1. Really harveyammerman? I haven’t seen Ted Nugent’s fan base in an uproar over his comments and if I remember correctly it was the Dixie Chicks very own Country Music fan base who revolted against them and caused their ultimate downfall. It was their fans who stopped buying their music, it was the fans who asked radio stations to stop playing their music or they would drop their support and it was their fans who stopped buying tickets to their shows which resulted in shows being cancelled. If those fans happened to be “right wingers” so be it…the Dixie Chicks apparently didn’t know their audience….I do believe Ted knows his…Rock on Strap Assassin!!!

      PS….I’ll be at the show and I should be easy to spot. I’ll be the guy wearing camouflage.

    2. STYX and REO Speedwagon are now part of a “hate concert”? Wow you really paint with a big broad brush.

      1. I know right, JD?  What gets lost here is that there are two other great performers on this bill.  Styx is an absolutely great show still and REO Speedwagon play like they are still in their 30’s.

        Say what you will about Ted’s politics, but he is an amazing guitar player and despite what some of the other posters say, does NOT use drugs or alcohol.  To me, this will be a great show!  I think it’s “Just What the Doctor Ordered”, for Alex and Waterfront Concerts.

        1. My “Ternimus Eldorado ” is outta the garage and ready to go.

           One, two three four.!!! Wango tango!!!

  12.  Ahh, smell the selective outrage.

     Grow up kids, a little more substance a little less what some knucklehead said.

     We have dozens of real issues that need to be addressed and yet someone has time to fixate on this.

  13. The EDITORIAL hit the nail on the flat part this time!  Some folks, albeit these two City Councilors really opened their mouths and swallowed themselves this time it seems.  They could not understand, nor could some nice folks in Maine commenting, seem to understand Ted Nugent is nothing at all so bad as they want some others to think of him.  Nugent is NO criminal at all.  He seems to be a real patriot in the vein of Samuel Adams and Thomas Paine (to name two).  Some, who the government (sponsored and allowed by you-know-who) allows social and cultural thugs with big mouths like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan and this so-called “Reverend” Wright to destroy the USA with diabolical execrations of everything non-Muslim, hatred of the USA overall, hates all whites, hates Christianity, and supports everything and everyone who are enemies of the United States.  And Ted Nugent is being targeted here?  I’d say, as the article goes, if you don’t want to attend this concert, don’t go!  But think two times what you are saying next time, Counselors Longo and Baldacci! 

    1. Do some research about Ted Nugent and his successful attempt to avoid serving his country in time of war (real patriotic that) and his dating habits and then come back and say he is a patriot in the vein of Samuel Adams and Thomas Paine.

      1. That is a tough call to make. From a certain point of view, Larry Flint did just as much for free speech as the founders, but because of the business he is in people are loathe to give him that credit. A patriot isn’t always a flag carrying Superman, many times the patriot is the one that challenges the American system, and society, to take up unpopular causes in order to maintain the freedoms that Patriots like Sam Adams (always a good decision… wow that’s deeply engrained) and Thomas Paine fought for.

      2. No one is disputing what he did, heck he was rather proud of it when it happened. The issue here is that he has a right to free speech. He did not violate any laws by saying what he said, if someomne thinks he did they are moronic or just liberal (although the two are one in the same). If he or anyone else had said the exact same thing about our previous president, no one would have batted an eye.

        1. Wrong on so many counts.

          He made a veiled threat against the President that the Secret Service decided had no merit.  That is the job of the Secret Service, to investigate all potential threats and deal with them if necessary.  That is a fact.

          As for people threatening the previous President (and for that matter all previous presidents) it did happen and the Secret Service did the exact same thing they did with Nugent.  They investigated the individual and the claim and determined if the threat was real or just someone throwing off steam.  If the threat was deemed real they arrested and prosecuted the individual. 

          They were many cases of individuals being arrested and charges with threatening the PResident but the vast majority were unknown individuals not a “celebrity”.

      3. In some POLITICAL ways, you can say he is a patriot standing up for his constitutional rights.  And, yes, I hate the way he “allegedly” pooped in his pants (on purpose?) when he was given the physical for the Army.  We do have a respect-disrespect things going on here with Nugent, and for that matter, don’t we all find this in ourselves and in our friends, too? 

        1. So you would consider some of the OWS people patriots for standing up for their Constitutional Rights, as well?

    2. You are comparing Ted Nugent with Samuel Adams and Thomas Paine.  You are comparing Ted Nugent with Samuel Adams and Thomas Paine.  You are comparing Ted Nugent with Samuel Adams and Thomas Paine.  You are comparing Ted Nugent with Samuel Adams and Thomas Paine.   Nope.  Still can’t believe it.

  14. Hey Ted, I’ll say it again….Syphilis can cause severe brain damage but is curable….Go see yourself a Doctor !

  15. I don’t like Nugent’s comments.  I’m not planning to go.  But mostly because I don’t like his music.

  16. Ted is my hero! He is not scared to say what he thinks. If you cant tell people how you really feel, Whats the sense? Come to Moosehead lake and do some fishing with me Ted, Would love to have you!

  17. Nugent is a better shot with a gun than he is with his mouth at times.

    Even though he’s an aged muscian, he’s still a hell of a performer. I’d go see him. And if he mentions politics, I’d boo until he shuts up and starts playing again.

    x

    1. Have they changed the definition of the word “Hero”? Please tell us why Ted the Draft Dodger is a hero. If he would have crapped his pants while he was in a foxhole getting shot at he would be a true American hero.

      1.  So unless you have been in a foxhole you can’t be a hero? So the millions of people who consider Mohammad Ali a hero are wrong? Putting a gun in someones hand doesn’t make them a hero. Just like in Ali’s case, sometimes refusing to take a gun makes you a hero.

  18. Here, here. I find Ted Nugent ridiculous and his comments about President Obama odious, but shutting him up by canceling his performance is not the appropriate response. In this country, even someone as ignorant and misinformed as Ted Nugent has the right to say what he believes, and the rest of us have the right to not pay to watch him. 

  19. I think this is totally wrong for the City Council to cancel?  This should not be up to them?  Do you really think he meant what he said?  I don’t think so, he was just upset and probably should have used better judgement on what came out of his mouth.  I am not a huge Ted Nugent fan but there is a contract that was signed and who is going to pay the bill on that we the taxpayers.  The City Council should have stayed out of this matter.

  20. Listen the rightwing as a right to lousy music, hate speech and death threats, it’s art, right? If they really wanted to do-it-up right …. they should allow hard liquor, hookers and hand guns, it would be a master piece, a Picasso of extreme humanity, either that or a Fellini freak show.

  21. i dont have to read the whole article, to totally  agree.  If people dont like what people say than dont go near them.

  22. Finally….some common sense media…no more politicians making decisions for the commoners…slapping us down before we even have our say!

  23. It’s been quite some time since I agreed with a BDN editorial piece.  Longo & Baldacci need to focus elsewhere and realize that the 1st Amendment applies to people on both sides of the political spectrum.

  24. I think it was very appropriate and I certainly would not let that ruin the concert. At least he is honest.

  25. I’d like to see Ted in the white house least he was born in AMERICA, maybe have ANN BARNHARDT  as vice,, 2 great people with a backbone,, both welcome at my home..  

  26. I, for one, will not be going to see the drug-addled, draft-dodging pedophile perform in Bangor. Nugent is a coward. He has “gun muscles.” You know, they’re similar to “beer muscles” where after inbibing in enough beer you think you have the power to beat all comers. Nugent talks big when he has his guns in his hands, but without them he’s nothing more than a gutless wonder. I’ll remind him, and anyone else that thinks like him, that the Second Amendment isn’t just for the right-wing gun nuts, it applies to us Liberals too; be careful that you mouths don’t write a check your backside can’t make good on.

    1.  Your “argument” went right down the crapper at “drug addled”.

      Whatever else you may not like about the man, he’s been anti-drug since way before it was fashionable.

  27. Oh, wow, another one who resorts to name calling to make his case. I bet your momma is real proud of you.

  28. He is just another coward who loves to kill animals but lacked the backbone to serve in the military.

    1. Would you call President Clinton a “coward” and lacking the “backbone to serve in the military”?

  29. Not going is fine by me, I don’t know anything about Nugent and wouldn’t recognise any of his songs If I heard one.  But he really didn’t ‘threaten’ the President: he claimed to feel threatened by the President. The BDN’s editors, who presumably pride themselves on their grasp of language, should be making that clear, not repeating an obvious canard.

  30. i don’t condone him killing bears illegally in alaska but thats not to say he can’t sing(and i don’t even listen to his music)and like it says,don’t like him,don’t go!!!!!!

  31. Ted should have hung up his guitar after leaving the Amboy Dukes….he hasn’t done diddley since.

  32. I seem to remember the stink when bush was coming for reelection that  liberals all over where saying they woudl die or leave the country before accepting him.

    We all have our views and we all have the right to express that with or money ( those us us who earn money anyway ) this is the American way.

  33. Remember, there will be plenty of people there packing firearms ready to follow Zimmerman’s example and take care of any of you who don’t agree, holding the smoking gun in one hand and the Second Amendment in the other. God Bless America!

      1. Laws are only for honest people. Tell someone with a concealed weapons permit he can’t come in and you’ve got a fight on your hands.

        1. Folks who make the effort to legally possess a carry permit are not the ones to be worried about.

          Perhaps the people in your circle of friends do things a little (ahem) differently.

          1. “Folks who make the effort to legally possess a carry permit are not the ones to be worried about.”Like Zimmerman?

          2. I believe he’s one of the people you refer to as a law abiding citizen we don’t have to worry about.

          3. If Zimmerman shows up for the concert, and you feel “threatened”, then you personally pat him down.

            But keep your hands off me.

        2. I have no issue with people with concealed weapons permits. If they are not allowed to carry into the venue they wont. It’s the people that carry concealed without a concealed weapons permit you have to worry about.

  34. Hey… If you choose to pay for  a  ticket to a performance by a past his prime , 2nd rate guitarist who admits to literally crapping and urinating  in his clothes for more than a week to avoid the  ‘Nam war …  who also fathered children with underage girls …and then refused to support HIS offspring… who has made a living off his supposed natural hunting , yet has plead guilty to hunting violations that equate with poaching….  Enjoy.   

  35. Whether you like what he said or not this is America! Freedom of speech.If you don’t like someones comments you have a choice to listen to them or not. As for the two councilors you live in Bangor Maine, not communist China. The concert series has already started concerts in southern Maine. Maybe all the concerts should be held there if you get offended by freedom of speech.I bet the majority of businesses don’t feel the same way you do.

  36. Well said.  There’s no implied threat to the president here unless you’re an Obama fanboy (which typically means you’re not too bright to begin with).  What Nugent is saying is that he thinks that Obama plans to kill the 2nd Amendment with unconstitutional laws and that he (Nugent) isn’t going to give up his guns.  He’ll be killed or arrested before he gives them up.  This has NOTHING to do with wanting to assassinate Obama.  This should be pretty darn easy to figure out given his association with the NRA, but nobody on the left has ever been accused of being all that smart, so I’m not surprised that they don’t get it.

  37. An awful lot of comments here about Ted’s guilty plea in the Alaska hunting case.

    Guess what?  Even the judge in the case was unaware of the law that Ted pleaded guilty to.

    “Judge Thompson said he was unaware of the state law that required hunters to report injured black bears as part of their bag limit.”

    Nugent’s arrow apparently touched the bear and stuck in the ground, it might have cut the bear’s skin.  There was no blood trail they could find.  There was a little blood apparently at the spot, but nothing that indicated the bear was hard hit.  Nugent and his hunting buddies looked for the bear but didn’t find it.  The bear didn’t die, he took only one bear.

    http://www.krbd.org/2012/04/24/nugent-pleads-guilty-in-alaska-hunting-case/

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