Cate Street buys biocoal technology rights for $20M

John Halle, president and CEO of Cate Street Capital, visits the East Millinocket Mill in October.
John Halle, president and CEO of Cate Street Capital, visits the East Millinocket Mill in October.
Posted Dec. 01, 2011, at 12:56 p.m.
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MILLINOCKET, Maine — Cate Street Capital has purchased for more than $20 million the North American rights to the technology to manufacture biocoal, a huge step toward adding the production of treated wood at its Katahdin Avenue paper mill and creating several hundred jobs, officials said Thursday.

Cate Street subsidiary Thermogen Industries LLC secured exclusive rights from Scotland-based Rotawave Biocoal to manufacture a type of machine — called Targeted Intelligent Energy System, or TIES — that makes biocoal, or torrefied wood, which would replace coal burned at electricity plants, Cate Street spokesman Scott Tranchemontagne said.

“It is the most tangible sign of our commitment to moving this project forward,” Tranchemontagne said Thursday of the $20 million deal. “We have the technology. We have a wonderful site at the end of the Golden Road and we have a labor force that is ready and willing to work. Those are some key pieces to any business looking to start up.”

If Thermogen’s plans reach fruition, Cate Street senior vice president Richard Cyr said, Thermogen’s production of biocoal would help transform the state forest products industry.

Thermogen and Cate Street subsidiary Great Northern Paper Co., which operates the East Millinocket and Millinocket paper mills, would also benefit from several independent and ongoing governmental and private business initiatives.

Those initiatives include the $10.5 million reconstruction of 233 miles of northern Maine railroad tracks, the expansion of the shipping port in Searsport, Gov. Paul LePage’s proposal to extend a natural gas line to the Katahdin region by 2013, and Cate Street’s own revitalization of the mills.

By acquiring the rights to TIES, Rotawave Biocoal’s microwave-based biocoal production system, Thermogen has solidified plans to install five or six TIES machines in Millinocket starting in November 2012. Creating jobs for 22 to 25 workers directly and dozens of truckers, loggers and other support providers indirectly, the first $35 million TIES machine would supply United Kingdom utilities with biocoal, Cyr said.

Millinocket would be the site of the first of four or five biocoal mills eventually nationwide, Cyr said. Rotawave’s attempt to sell its technology rights to a Vancouver company that would have built a biocoal factory in British Columbia last year fell through, he said.

“We have been looking for a home for Thermogen for two years. Over that time we have been studying a lot of technologies,” Cyr said, calling Rotawave’s “the one that created the best end product.”

Engineers are developing plans now to site the machines at the Millinocket mill as Cate Street assembles its financing and seeks engineers to build the Rotawave machines, Cyr said. Cate Street hopes to have the design and financing ready within four months, with mill site work possibly beginning then as well, Tranchemontagne said.

Cate Street hopes to have Thermogen producing 100,000 tons of biocoal annually by the end of 2012, eventually increasing that to 1 million tons. Cate Street leaders believe the federal government will effectively force electricity manufacturers that burn coal to seek alternative fuel sources when it unveils stringent new air-quality standards in the next few years.

The British government is already doing this, Cyr said.

Thermogen would ship its product to Searsport for transport to the U.K. while receiving raw materials from logging crews, trucks and over rail lines. Its operations would complement and be independent of the mills’ papermaking, which will be partially powered by natural gas.

The paper mills and Thermogen use many of the same raw materials and infrastructure. Both benefit from proximity to the Golden Road and its vast supply of wood, Cyr said.

Rotawave’s “is the core technology and has all these other pieces that have to come together to make it work. This is what makes that area up there so perfect for us,” he added.

Millinocket Town Manager Eugene Conlogue said he saw the logic of Cate Street’s interest in biocoal and its attraction to the Katahdin region and its papermaking almost immediately. He called the holding company’s $20 million deal the best example yet of its credibility.

This is becoming a giant octopus with its tentacles reaching out in all different kinds of directions, all benefiting parts of the state. This has good news written all over it,” Conlogue said Thursday. “They are keeping their word. They are not coming in here with highfalutin’ promises that are not being fulfilled. They have a very good plan, they are following the plan and it will do nothing but benefit Millinocket as well as the entire Katahdin region.”

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  • Guest

    biocoal is the perfect commodity  for work camp processing.  These camps could be set up near the mill and in distribution areas  and selected  elements of society can work to fuel the citizenry. Part of the wage base after subtracing for food, benefits, housing, uniforms, tracking and telemetry  etc could be in some amount of this fuel for cooking and heating. This is win win

  • Guest

    HUH ?

    (Did Birdwatcher change his handle???)

  • Anonymous

    sounds good comrade. lol

  • Guest

    I should add – this is not meant to be a gulag or concentration camp model, these would be comfortable managed camps and occupation would be voluntary – if you want societal benefits like food stamps or welfare or low income housing it is structured into these camps, dont want the societal services then you dont have to work her. The telemetry and tracking is to ensure all are working and to control the populace .

  • Anonymous

    This is more good news for the Millinocket area.

  • Guest

    For Cate Street Capital, the Millinocket mills were only a precursor to torrefied wood production – a means to end as it were. With immediate access to the “wood basket” in the area and a state approved biomass boiler approved by the DEP, along with state purchasing the mills’ liability, the landfill, and paper production begins immediately thens transforms to torrefied wood production. Let’s not forget the two-tiered wage structure with a ridiculous 36+ month probationary period for the lower level tier. 36+ months buys Cate Street 3+ years of time to bring torrefied wood production up to 1 million tons with little exposure to high labor costs. These guys are shrewd business people, minimizing their exposure to high costs in a declining paper market.

    As soon as the torrified production reaches 1 Million tons and or profits are greater than paper production profits, say “Good-bye” to the mills again. 

    It just makes good business sense: a profitable, environmentally-friendly product – with enormous growth potential versus a increasingly obsolete product in a declining market- carrying high production costs.  Cate Street will generate more profit from fewer employees by paying less labor and health-care costs.

  • Anonymous

    Let me get this straight… they spent 20 million on the rights to produce something as the sole NORTH AMERICAN producer????  That is what your article says… ” The New Hampshire-based owner of two Katahdin-region paper mills has purchased for more than $20 million the North American rights to the technology to manufacture biocoal, …” I’m pretty dang sure someone is hosing someone. Because it may have been 35 yrs since I graduated High School but I did graduate from one of the top 100 high schools in America.  I don’t think they’ve changed the continents around so much – that Canada is no longer in North America? Yea didn’t think so. 

    http://www.terracedaily.ca/go7126a/INTELLIGENT_ENERGY_SYSTEM_SET_TO_CUT_GREENHOUSE_GASES

    An SI3 million order for the first TIES bio-coal production plant has already been placed with Rotawave, following successful trials at a prototype installation. The customer is Canadian biocoal producer Global Bio-Coal Energy Inc of Vancouver. The facility will be built in Terrace, British Columbia, early next year and will have a production output capacity of 110,00 tonnes of bio-coal per annum. (Input capacity is 200,000 tonnes per annum of raw biomass from forestry sources). Preparatory work on site is to begin imminently. 

    I hate to say it but… ya know I will …. told ya told ya told ya!!!

  • Anonymous

    WtF
    Good luck finding people to join you, or land to put it on
    Since there wont be a national park, maybe Roxanne would be willing to give you her land

  • Anonymous

    Quimby must be grinding her teeth down to nothing by now

  • Anonymous

    It’s my understanding from the article that Cate Street has purchased the rights to manufacture the production machines, not create the end product. So they’re one step up the supply chain.

    Someone can feel free to correct me if I’m mistaken.

  • Anonymous

    Wow what great news coming from a company who backs up all the talk.  All of the anti paper making and pro park liberals will have to spin this hard to make it sound bad.

    Thank you Cate Street and best of luck to the future workers.

  • PaulNotBunyan

    How about “re-education work camps” for all the politicians and one percenters that are so despised?

  • PaulNotBunyan

    This is outstanding! I hope the deal they made allows them to build plenty of these machines. There’s probably some other locations in Maine they can consider to expand production. I’m sure they’re already thinking of that. I think it’s mostly a matter of locating near a good wood supply and raising the capital needed for expansion.

  • newportres

    Don’t you just hate these 1%ers?

  • Anonymous

    Great news for the people of Maine in particular those in the Millinoket Region. These jobs are our answer to our prayers. The only problem I see now is which dum liberal will find something to complain about now. Perhaps OBAMA and his Socialist Liberal will find a way to stop us from getting more job, after all has put a stop to the Keystone pipeline. God only knows what that nut will try and do. Maine people are very happy for these jobs and we hope things continue to move in a positive way. Governor and his staff have done a great job in doing what it could to bring these jobs to Maine people.

  • Anonymous

    you got that right!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

    Sounds good. Truth be told I would rather have the power station that uses the stuff.  Maybe both??

  • Anonymous

    Microwaved wood chips!  Whoda thunk it?  First microwaved dinners, popcorn, and burritos and now wood chips..Hmmm  I wonder just how much energy it takes to evaporate or pyrolyse all of the mositure and other liquids contained within the wood.  Is the cost of the Torrefied Wood production, (wood, electricity, O&M, shipping, etc..) cheap enough to make this product as attractive as coal?  Coal is presently going for anywhere from $12/ton to $72/ton.  Gonna need some real inexpensive woods chips to pull this off.  Sounds like someone is walking a thin line from marketability perspective.  Only time will tell.

  • Anonymous

    Kind of like a gulag?

  • Anonymous

    The way I see it is they bought the rights to make the production machines in North America.  That doesn’t mean that they haven’t  already built one themselves in North America. I’m thinking any built from now on will be built by them.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Good one.   LMAO!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    just wait the  Enviro-Whacko ,anti-lepage, 99% you owe me crowd will find something to whine about. Great news for the mill region.

  • Anonymous

    along with the eraser on her pencil. this woman is determined to ruin everything she can, just like Obama. when will people wake up and realize that blatent fact!!??

  • Anonymous

    yes along with the erasers on her little bag of pencils! this woman is out to ruin everything she can. she is obviously in the Obama class, purposely out to destroy all she can.
    wake up america!

  • Anonymous

    It will be fun to see how upset they get when Millinocket starts rehiring and Quimby never gets her national park status

  • Anonymous

    Anybody still believe that the mill was purchased by a company interested in making paper? 

  • Anonymous

    Russia tried that lol

  • Anonymous

    Did we (Maine Citizens thru Fame or some entity)  give them the 20 mil?   It would be nice if this company can stand on it’s own and last for at least 10 years. Now I think it is a great stroke of business. I just want one company that is real and not subsidized by everyday working folks futures.

  • Anonymous

    I read they are going to export the fuel to europe where they do not have many trees. Would be great if we got to use it for our own energy needs.

  • Anonymous

    Who cares, as long as they keep making  jobs.  I’m sure people of the Katahdin region just want good paying  jobs, bio coal or paper or both.

  • Anonymous

    If its that cheap why not burn them at home!!

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like the good paying (engineering) jobs will be based in UK. McJobs in US.  So 1%ers will provide the “trickle down”. Sweet!

  • Anonymous

    So you would be alright with mandating Quimby build her park, then run it for 10 years before she can apply for national park status?

  • Anonymous

    They are making paper right now in East Millinocket, but I guess the proof will be in how many they hire, how much they pay and how long they stay open. The first two, numbers of jobs and rate of pay have already surpassed Quimby’s proposed joke jobs…!

  • Anonymous

    There were a lot of conservatives in the Midwest who lobbied for further study of the Keystone pipeline. Do you want a big whirring wind turbine across the street from your house so someone else can make a buck while lowering the value of your property?

  • Anonymous

    evil capitalists creating all those jobs now somebody’s gonna expect us to actually work 4 a living this sucks  there probably gonna actually make money and pay taxes man what is this state coming to

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Funny they had 20 million to buy some rights but had to borrow from the Maine tax payers to pay their taxes after our taxes bought the landfill.

  • Anonymous

    jobs mean work and work is a 4 letter to most at all cost we dont want people to have to work that would just be mean

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    The mill has nothing to do with Quimby’s land or intentions she has for it. Co existence is a prospect you potato heads better grasp.

  • Anonymous

    Hope you don’t like wind power then.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    So you would say that nothing had already been destroyed, including most of the deer yards in Maine, when Obama took office?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Give me a fact Cletus.

  • Anonymous

    sorry but try 300 a ton

  • Anonymous

    yep

  • Anonymous

    Could you point to a source where they used taxpayer money please?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Sir your stupidity is torrified. I pity the young people that will suffer from your embarrassing, feeble,  arrogance. A position of power is the last place you should be anywhere near.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Millinocket already provides this.

  • Anonymous

    “But they still have not accepted that the old paradigm isn’t working. They’re in complete denial.”    ~~~~~Roxanne Quimby on landowners and the forest industry

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Let the mills rehire but I would not jump up and down over the nasty labor move they made. There is room for those jobs, NP jobs, tourism jobs, and room in the town for any traveler to spend money while visiting. Considering the 16 million acre ratio to the 59,000 acres I’d say the wackos are coming from the paranoid right.

  • Anonymous

    reread the article it says they bought rights to build the  machine 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    It’s not about job competition, it’s about a diverse economy, THAT IS YOUR ONLY way out.

  • Anonymous

    good 4 them man i love capitalism 

  • Anonymous

    am i missing something

  • Anonymous

    That would be excellent, however Europe is years ahead of us in the process of converting to wood pellet/biomass energy, particularly with large scale and industrial applications. The U.S market for these products is limited to pretty much homeowners with pellet stoves. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    I’d say it would be an easy google to find a million statements coming back at her in the same league. As far as paper she is right but the idea of multiple economic engines is the healthy idea.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Madore, I am more liberal than Senator Kucinich and have nothing but disdain for Quimby and her thinly veiled power play. Accept the fact that a black man is President will you? The people who want every last penny in your pocket play for the other side. They attract people like you who can’t see past their own prejudice or fear. Or in other words, the intellectually disabled. I have had a war of words with Cecil, Bangorian, and Sprucebrain since this whole Quimby thing started and I take offense at your generalization. Get a grip, stop hating the black man, and stay on the subject or stop your asinine comments.

  • Anonymous

    this totally could have happened under our previous democratic dictatorship …. right?

    nope!
    lol.

  • Anonymous

    Probably better than making newsprint.

  • Anonymous

    Charcoal production (called Torrefication by this company) is an automated process that requires very few human laborers.

  • Anonymous

    Quimby’s is proposing to create a park, not create jobs.  It will be up to the ingenuity (or lack there of) of the Katahdin people to develop ways to make money off of the tourism that it generates.  Unfortunately, this community seems too stuck in its reliance on factory work to see any potential. 

  • Anonymous

    This loan was a part of the initial purchase agreement as it was understood that receivables for the reopened plant would not be coming in time for the tax bill. 

  • Anonymous

    Coincidentally wasnt she going to spend million on her fantasy?

  • Anonymous

    how will the pro-paper making liberals have to spin this?

  • Anonymous

    interesting hypothesis.  time will tell.

  • Guest

    Bangerbean, Cecil Birdwatcher, and Sprucedoofus aren’t going to like this news very much.

  • Anonymous

    and you still can not grasp or will not admit that she wants a much bigger park, and is part of restore that would have an adverse effect on Cates prospects.

  • Anonymous

    who cares as long as they are bringing jobs to community desperate for employment 

  • Guest

    Apples and Oranges.

    Very glad for any industry in this area. We need it.

  • Anonymous

    quimby wants her name on a national park or else being the conservationist she claims to be is what she would do with her land

  • Anonymous

    they already are and yeah it is good news unless you want to keep those folks dependent on the welfare system much easier to control folks that way

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    It’s no sweat off my back cornhead. The labor scam these guys pulled off keeps in the tradition of the Penguin Pack. Millinocket still needs a larger spectrum of economic possibility and the Park could be another player, however the hard headed sweat shop pool will bow down.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    This does not affect Quimby in the least. I would say that she is happy for any economic possibility that Millinocket can garner.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Do you enjoy being a juvenile?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Well said. There is common ground in disagreeing respectively.

  • Anonymous

    The location at the end of the golden road is where roxanne has her gate.. and workforce? what workforce??

  • Anonymous

    it didn’t take long for the birdwatcher to wake

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    What a deal!

    20 extra million in thier pocket that could have paid to clean up the Dump that we will end up paying for!

  • Anonymous

    how about bangerbean?

  • Anonymous

    You sound like somebody who might be interested in the BAN ROXANNE group on FB. All who want to stop Roxy should go to the page and like or join. They have a petition going too. http://friendsofthemainewoods.net/sign-petition/

  • Anonymous

    Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    playin the race card is real weak try basing your arguments on his record not his skin color  other wise its just racist dribble

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C
  • Anonymous

    OH CRAP! Quimby isnt going to like this…lick that bees honey lolly pop Ms. Q…lol

  • Guest

    How could you tell?

  • Guest

    Works for me!

  • Guest

     If RQ has her way, the park would be the only player.

     Sorry Roxanne…….life goes on.

  • Guest

     There will be no co-existence with a national park.

  • Anonymous

    And that link was meant to tell me what?

  • Anonymous

    I’m not talking for home furnaces silly….$300/ton is what bag buyers pay for pea coal.  I’m talking the price per ton for 100 rail cars x 30 tons per car… 

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    The ironic thing about these new coal furnaces/boilers is that the general public is now buying the scraps of the coal industry at an outrageous price. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Even if that was true it would not happen however the Forest Industry makes no bones about the other side of the coin.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Your way will continue coexistence with a suspect industry that continues to milk Millinocket.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Madore has no idea what Obama’s record is.

  • Anonymous

    Best Wishes!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    He was basing his argument on Madore’s record of hate speech.

  • Anonymous

    has plent to do with it if she gets a park, then keeps grabbing land, then wanting to add more, then next thing you know, you wont be able to drive the golden road.
    she has no good intentions. we have a state park, more of the same, with no breathtaking attractions, will bring nothing but higher unemployment. but you cant figure that out. 

  • PaulNotBunyan

    When I first heard about torrified wood and biocoal I thought about the coal stoves I have seen in recent years. I’m not sure which fuel will be cheapest. My understanding is that reducing emissions is the biggest reason for these new fuels.

  • Anonymous

    very clever deduction brucie! glad someone has some smarts!too bad the rest dont have eyes and insight to her and her types.

  • Anonymous

    i enjoy much being a little brighter than you !

  • Anonymous

    said nothing about deer yards. but years of liberalism, mis-management killed that too. no reason to have a month long hunting season .then muzzle loaders, bow,too much too long.along with a few dishonest wood harvesters.,screwed the deer pop. now we are losing the moose too.

  • Anonymous

    if you dont know what this obama has done, you are part of the problem. roscoe!,or r u boss hog?

  • Anonymous

    not a problem with a black man, i wish cain could get the job. but a black man that hates america as obama? dont ty to say otherwise. he has made it obvious as how he feels about america as have most of the democrat party in wash. no denying this,and you know it!!

  • Anonymous

    Not really.

  • Anonymous

    So go hire somebody to do something.
    Geeesh.

  • Anonymous

    Race huckster much??

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know where you buy your coal but I sure don’t pay 300 a ton for stove coal even!

  • Anonymous

    Oh come on it took less than 2 minutes on Google to find a plant in Vancouver British Columbia… Now Cates St says that deal fell through for them.  Well, do a little more googling there are plants up and running oh except for when it exploded and blew half the town to the next county in Georgia. Now I know living in the tri-town area education is lacking to say the least. But, I’m pretty sure most Mainers know that Georgia is in North America.  I have online friends in the British Columbia Province. It may take a few days to catch them online. But, I will find out for myself if indeed that plant exists or has been scrapped. 

  • Anonymous

    No one made these guys sign a paper saying they guaranteed to make paper in at least one of the two paper mills for a specified number of years. Like they did the last owners.  You are 100% correct. And only the fools believed they intended to make paper the entire length of this so called  Union contract. 

  • http://www.firewhitehead.org KickSaveAndyMoog

    Hey RoxyBaby SuuuuuuuUUUccccccccckkkkkkkk IT!!!!!!!!!!!! WAHOOO!

  • Anonymous

    If it wasn’t so prevalent, I wouldn’t feel the need. In denial much??

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, Cain is my role model too!! LOL. Really, what color is the sky on the planet you live on. I wanna go there on vacation.

  • Anonymous

    sarcasm 

  • Guest

     Why are you concerned with Millinocket?

     All you’ve ever posted on here were insults to the good hard working people of the Katahdin region.

  • Guest

    59000 acres………for now.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DTKESEJXAHGWJYWWMLONGTJTDM JohnM

    You’re basing your remark that you believe that this poster is Mike Madore? How foolish of you to do so. Anyone on here is a poser when the can’t put their name to the post. Assumption on your part. Very poor taste on your prejudice. Who’s the hater now?

  • Guest

     Quimby wants to START a park that will encompass the entire northeast forest thereby ending the logging industry.

     Today- 59000 acres.

     Next week-3.2 million acres.

     Next month-10 million acres.

    NO PARK FOR Me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DTKESEJXAHGWJYWWMLONGTJTDM JohnM

    Bill Clinton, the first black president, was such a role model too. John Edwards also belongs in the long line of role models. Face it most everyone has things they wish never happened.

  • Anonymous

    You really need to look into the air quality regulations, the mills and park cannot coexist. Additionally, Quimby refuses to sign a scope of development, limiting the growth of the park; remember, she originally wanted 3.2mil acres.

  • Anonymous

    That doesnt mean we have to support a national park that “will” become a taxpayer burden.

  • Anonymous

    So put it in “your” backyard

  • Anonymous

    i know what this obama has done.  what did the other obama do?

  • Anonymous

    i just  love that burt bee’s almond hand cream, don’t you?  

  • Anonymous

    if selling land to Roxanne is the death knell of the paper industry, why is the paper industry selling land to Roxanne?

  • Anonymous

    She “says” she will spend $20mil and “promises” to raise another$20mil, but the park actual cost is “more” than $20mil, leaving “who” to pick up the operational cost

  • Anonymous

    crafty, were’nt they?

    Note to the readers:  welfare isn’t just for poor people.  your tax dollars also support Cate Street.  Free enterprise.  pffft.

  • Anonymous

    as well as property tax concessions from the town

  • Anonymous

    Its a grant, not a loan

  • Anonymous

    if “you” say so

  • Anonymous

    anonymity on the internet encourages free discussion.  admittedly, there is a higher level of rudeness that occurs since we engage people we don’t see.   that doesn’t mean people are ‘posing’.  it’s very common for people to utilize several id’s depending on the forum.  

    and to be ridiculously finite,  just cuz a user id looks like someone’s name doesn’t mean it actually is that person.  there’s no way to prove it either way.  

  • Guest

     There is no paper company owned land in this state.

  • Anonymous

    i grew up in Patten, but have been in Miami for two decades…didn’t great northern own most of the land up there?  who were the land owners that sold to Roxanne?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know what the price of stove coal is either but I would venture a guess that it is more than $72/ton

  • Anonymous

    You sound like you are hurt.  Poor baby.

  • Anonymous

    Paper, biocoal, Baxter State Park,  that sounds like diversification to me.

  • Anonymous

    Poor baby.

  • Anonymous

    They won’t have to.  I said anti-paper pro park liberals.  The pro paper making liberals are working in the mill or are waiting too

  • Anonymous

    The difference being Clinton and Edwards, as morally bankrupt as they were, had consensual relations. They did not have to pay people a court ordered sum of money related to sexual discrimination. Argue all you want, there’s a big difference between sexual assault and having sex with an intern.

  • Anonymous

    Bangorian, please enlighten us to the potential you see in 50K to 70K acres of nothing. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Hosebeast/100002095287763 Regina Hosebeast

    That’s it. Time to Occupy Cate Street. How dare them have $20 Million dollars. That would have bought tons of groceries for everyone in Maine. :P

  • Anonymous

    Nostradamous??? Is that you Oh Great Clairvoyant? 

    Can’t we just be HAPPY?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    No facts huh?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    I love the Millinocket area and have worked in similar areas for years. My “insults” are fairly traded and the many many good people in the area are highly respected.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Again explain the mirage of which you speak with a bonified example.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Cates is the tax payer burden.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Name me one prosperous mill town.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Back to the spaceship?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    “Your” backyard???

  • Guest

    Yes, love it.

  • Guest

     The paper companies sold off all the lands years ago due to the democrat controlled legislature trying to find another way to tax it.

     There is no paper company owned timberlands in Maine.

  • Guest

    You “love” the Millinocket area???

     Would that be tough love there bubba?

  • Guest

    They should put a double like button for such posts.

  • Anonymous

    You forgot one argument for Quimby. Quimby is rich, so by Republican logic she must be left alone, her riches prove her right to do as she chooses.
    Most of the whiners here are poor to middle class, they have no opinion that counts against being rich.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G7TM2WWUSPPTO2SNDBEXTLHSRQ Confucius

    If you people had any smarts about you at all, you would know this company had NOTHING to do with the landfill, so why should they purchase it?  It was previous owners and towns that used it.  Give me one good reason why you think this new company should have gotten stuck with the landfill.  You people run your traps but don’t have a clue as to the real issues and reasons.

  • Anonymous

    Lincoln. Just wanted one, right?

  • Anonymous

    The money to pay their property taxes comes out of their net profit. If they had been here a year, then they wouldn’t have asked for a loan (or grant) to cover the taxes until next summer. Next summer, the loan is paid back with interest. That interest is passed on to someone else who has a capital expenditure that can’t be covered by profits yet to be garnered. It’s business Cecil, that’s how it’s done. 
    The monies they gather as an investment group pays for the subject of this story. That money has nothing to do with the money paid for the mills. Two distinct and separate projects. Get it? I can’t dumb it down any further than that for you Cecil.

  • Anonymous

    That has yet to be proven, but it has been proven that Quimby is a lying, blackmailing, untrustworthy name calling, anti-manufacturing greenie, that is also a tax cheat.  

  • Anonymous

    Quimby’s proposed job crushing liberal play-land “would” be near where I live, and the Millinocket mill is just down the street from me. Your babbling from away just means you wouldnt want either in your backyard.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, how dare they….

  • Anonymous

    Yup, and her followers are “still” chanting her park bs

  • Anonymous

    but a park is soooo much better ya know,,,, not

  • Anonymous

    maybe i should rephrase to say ‘timber companies, or the timber industry’.

    but again, i ask the question, if selling land to Roxanne Quimby is certain death to the ‘timber industry’ why is the ‘timber industry’ selling land to Roxanne?

    i’m not trying to be tricky, just asking a question.  further, i don’t see how a park competes with surrounding existing industry.

  • Anonymous

    A month ago the treehuggers were burying the Katahdin region  Not to say Cate street is the 2nd coming but a glimmer of hope to the future of this area

  • Anonymous

    Cate Street Capital owns Red Desert company.  Red Desert provides water for the fracking industry

    RED DESERT WATER RECLAMATION
    • Is a unique water processing facility that can clean up to 20,000 barrels of water daily.
    • Uses breakthrough technology developed by Clean Runner, called PetroCleanse.
    • Is a new multi-million dollar, 100-acre water reclamation center near Rawlins, Wyoming.
    • Is located within a couple of hours of two large oil and gas basins, Wyoming’s Wind River and Great Green
    River Basins.
    • Can process up to 200 trucks per day.
    • Offers its services 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
    • Is creating new jobs in Wyoming – more than 50 during construction and six post-construction.
    • Features computerized inventory equipment.
    • Has a construction labor force that is 80 percent local. Wyoming companies Uinta Engineering, Alta
    Construction and Nations Construction are part of the team.
    CLEAN RUNNER

  • Anonymous

    Wow, you really pay 300 a ton; I got some swamp land to sell you
    I have rates from 195 to 265, you really must be getting the Michaud treatment… :-()

  • Anonymous

    Coal pricing 101
    There are separate rates for many product areas. Coal has at least two, one for the chumps that are willing to spend $300 a ton, and large industry that buys up massive amounts and spends from $72 to 125 a ton.

  • Anonymous

    i have an outdoor wood boiler that can burn coal as of yet i havnt used coal because i cant find  any in the bangor area 4 under 300 a ton   i would need to get it 4  under 200 per ton 4 it to compare to what i pay tree length   if you have a suggestion on where i could find it at the cost your posting it would be much appreciated thanks 

  • Anonymous

    i bet they even expect to make a profit  friggen evil capitalist who do they think they are  don t they realize that somebody will actually have to work if they keep creating all these freakin jobs  uncaring jerks

  • Anonymous

    heartless capitalist 

  • Anonymous

    Not in Bangor, but in Millinocket Bob Moscone is sells coal; his connection may be closer and cheaper than what he sells his for
    If your looking for a good deal for an indoor automatic quality coal system, Bob has something he just came out with

  • Anonymous

    yeah all that invested money actually creating sustainable jobs that just aint fair

  • Anonymous

    what on your planet do the tree cut themselves down drive themselves to the mill  prepare themselves for production create the machinery to manufacture it i could go on and on about the opportunities this presents but instead i think im gonna try and think of a way to caitalize on this for my own gain  aint capitalism grand

  • Anonymous

    Of course they expect to make a profit.  I hope they do.  However, they are not a paper making company.  They are a large private equity corporation.  They have bought up other paper companies and turned them into biomass producers.  They haven’t been entirely honest  about their plans for the mill in Millinocket. It might be wise to be careful of all the promises. Just saying.

  • Anonymous

    thanks ill try looking him up im real happy things are looking up 4 you folks up there  last time i worked up there it was real depressing to see things so stagnant 

  • Anonymous

    id bet dollars to donuts the good folks of milli and east mill could care less if they are making paper or  wood coal as long as they are working

  • Anonymous

    How many times did you praise god this thanksgiving,bible pounder ,only trees left will be Baxter and roxanne

  • Guest

     Being from Patten, you’ve heard that money talks and BS walks, so you can understand why a cut and run logging company such as the former owner would sell at an outrageous profit.

     Fisrt problem with a park and surrounding industries, is that anytime an air quality license is up for review, NPS has automatic intervenor status within 100 kilometers of the boundry.
     The enviroterrorists that are promoting this fiasco will do anything and everything they can in order to bring the timber industry to it’s knees.
     Another thing that they have their sights set on are the hydro dams, which they would love to see torn out and have the rivers go back to their “natural state”, whatever that is.
     The land that RQ recently purchased abuts to the west line of the town of Patten, which would put pretty much the whole township under the NPS thumb due to their desire for a “buffer zone” , in which they try to control all land usage issues.

     This will not be a pretty little park along the Penobscot, Sebois, and Wassatquiok rivers.

     This is the beginning of a massive takeover of the entire northern forest as outlined in the The 1988 National Park System Plan, which was put together by the National Parks and Conservation Association in collaboration with National Park Service officials and with influence from other park and wilderness pressure groups. NPCA is the private lobby arm of the National Park Service created in 1919 by the first Director of the National Park Service to lobby on behalf of the agency in ways not permitted for a government agency itself. The Director of the National Park Service during the 1980s, William Penn Mott, was on the NPCA Board of Trustees. The NPCA official in charge of the Plan was Destry Jarvis, brother of the current Director of the National Park Service Jon Jarvis appointed by Obama. NPCA Executive Director Paul Pritchard had been a political appointee in Jimmy Carter’s Interior Dept. where he had directed various schemes for targeting new areas. There were several other connections between NPS and NPCA officials, and even with the College of the Atlantic and Acadia in Maine.
    NPCA is the private lobby arm of the National Park Service created in 1919 by the first Director of the National Park Service to lobby on behalf of the agency in ways not permitted for a government agency itself.
    The Director of the National Park Service during the 1980s, William Penn Mott, was on the NPCA Board of Trustees. The NPCA official in charge of the Plan was Destry Jarvis, brother of the current Director of the National Park Service Jon Jarvis appointed by Obama. NPCA Executive Director Paul Pritchard had been a political appointee in Jimmy Carter’s Interior Dept. where he had directed various schemes for targeting new areas. There were several other connections between NPS and NPCA officials, and even with the College of the Atlantic and Acadia in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    it is hard to see how anything could ‘hurt’ the economy up there.  millinocket has the mill again, its true.  but there are a lot of empty buildings on the main streets of Millinocket and Patten.  i have a hard time visualizing either of those towns being made ‘worse’, by anything.  :(

    respectfully, i appreciate your anti-federal views.  but you lost me with ‘eco terrorist’.  

    reality is, with the current budget climate, i think this issue may be moot for a while.  

  • Guest

    You’ve been gone for twenty years.

     For the past 30 years, I’ve watched as decision after decision made at the state and federal level has negatively impacted northern Maine.
     I believe it has all been done with this master plan in mind.
     It all has come to fruition because of a unique set of factors, not the least of which is a woman with hundreds of millions of dollars and no real plan for those dollars except to buy herself a “legacy” as she has stated.
     The push is on because the left wing radical enviroterrorist groups such as earthfirst! are afraid that their bought and paid for president may not be re-electable.

  • Anonymous

    just a heads up.  environmentalists are very disappointed in obama.  biggest oil disaster in us history and we’re still drilling in deep water.  took him a million years to respond to the tar sands pipeline, too.  he’s a bummer that way.  

    here’s what i think.  the world is getting smaller, (global yada yada).  i think we need to make alliances where before we found opponents.

    how that puts a chicken in the pots of my friends & family in the K.region, is for industry and but eco-tourism to coexist (maybe not a national park)

    with all respect to manufacturing, i was on the maine dept of labor website the other day and tourism is listed as the leading industry in maine.

    i don’t think millinocket does a good job of promoting itself to the folks that drive thru there every year.  true story:  i was in hollywood florida a few years ago in my friends ‘adventure race’ gear store, there was a picture of 3 of my south american friends on top of what was undoubtedly Katahdin in the winter.  

    of course i asked about their trip, they paid HUGE money to do it.  paid a local outfitter, gear, etc.  so…i think we can do better to reach that market. 

    in Virginia, they have parking spots and trailhead markers along the AT, tourists swarm there because its easy to get information about how to get there.  

    i’d like to see a website that links all public access lands; thats cheap to create; and clearly marked access points.  i hate to sound like ‘the dumb chick’ but i use the atlas, locate a boat landing and don’t see any parking or signage when i get there.  i grew up here, what is a tourist supposed to do to enjoy what Maine has to offer?  we don’t need a national park to make ecotourism successful.  but we do need to market what we have in a more thoughtful manner.

    I think what hurts us, is our tradition of keeping our favorite spots a secret.  

  • Anonymous

    The one that started this mess is H.C.Haynes one of the worst logging companys!

  • Anonymous

    Centralia Coal
    Wilke Barre, PA

    Look em up

  • Anonymous

    Your way off on the Moose population, the moose population is way out of control more moose need to be shot, I know because i spend more time in the woods of northern Maine than the average joe .

  • Anonymous

    No much brighter !

  • Anonymous

    Millinocket’s Mill is not running

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    east mill, sorry

  • Guest

    There will be no co-existence with a national park and timber production.

     They want it all.

  • Anonymous

    Take a walk on the wild side. Cate street is just having exotic consensual sex with the taxpayers of Maine.  The bang the Penguin has purchased with the taxpayers bucks for the infatuated locals in the nockets is nothing but a one night stand. ” Can’t Buy Me Love” as the song goes.  The rabid anti park rhetoric just underscores the fact the local Johnnies are thinking with their smokestacks instead of their brains.

  • Anonymous

    penn might be more of a commute than im willin to make

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