Judge brokers deal to allow Occupy Augusta to stay in park

Occupy Augusta protesters gather in front of the Blaine House.
Melissa Caswell
Occupy Augusta protesters gather in front of the Blaine House.
Posted Nov. 28, 2011, at 11:36 a.m.
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BANGOR, Maine — A federal judge brokered an agreement Monday afternoon that will allow the Occupy Augusta group to continue its protest in Capitol Park without a permit after a lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court.

U.S. District Judge Nancy Torresen got involved in the dispute between the protesters and Capitol Police after two of the nine people arrested Sunday outside the Blaine House sued the Maine commissioner of public safety.

The lawsuit, filed Monday morning, alleges that requiring protesters to obtain a permit to continue their vigil in Capitol Park violates their First Amendment right to expressive conduct.

Attorney Lynne Williams of Bar Harbor also filed a motion for a temporary restraining order to keep protesters from having to get a permit to remain in the park indefinitely. The Maine Attorney General’s Office, which will represent the commissioner, has until Thursday to file its reply to the motion.

A hearing on that order will be held 1 p.m. Monday in federal court in Bangor.

The named plaintiffs in the action are James Freeman of Verona Island and Diane Messer of Liberty. The defendant is Public Safety Commissioner John E. Morris.

Russell Gauvin, chief of the Capitol Police, which is under the supervision of the Department of Public Safety, on Friday told protesters they could no longer camp out overnight in the park across from the State House. He also said they would have to remove all but one tent and would have to obtain a permit to continue activities there, according to the complaint.

All but one large tent were removed from the park following Wednesday’s snowstorm, according to previously published reports.

In the so-called standstill agreement with Torresen, protesters have agreed not to move any tents back into the park or to have any open fires, propane heaters or other incendiary devices in the park, Brenda Kielty, spokeswoman for the Maine Attorney General’s Office, said in telephone interview late Monday afternoon. The police will not ask the group to apply for a permit until Torresen has issued a decision on the motion for a temporary restraining order.

In the complaint, Williams said that the rules governing use of Capitol Park across from the State House are unconstitutional because they fail to distinguish “between large groups engaging in First Amendment activities and small groups, or even a lone speaker” and they give too much discretion “to the administrative decision maker regarding whether to grant a permit and what the time frame for making that decision must be.”

Although the American Civil Liberties Union of Maine has not been asked to sign on to the lawsuit, the organization believes the activities of the Occupy groups are protected by the First Amendment, Zachary Heiden, staff attorney for the organization, said Monday.

“The First Amendment guarantees the right of people to demonstrate in favor of political change,” he said in an email after reading the court documents. “The ACLU of Maine will do everything it can to support that right.”

Although the state is not expected to reply to the complaint for several weeks, Assistant Attorney General Paul Stern on Monday filed two decisions concerning temporary restraining orders sought by Occupy groups out of federal courts in Florida and Minnesota. They support the position he will take at the hearing next week, according to Kielty.

Judges in those cases supported protesters’ First Amendment right to assemble in public places but supported local government’s ability to restrict some specific activities, such as using power for computers without paying for it and attaching signs to lampposts. In both cases, however, judges upheld local laws that banned setting up tents or other structures.

In his decision issued Wednesday, U.S. District Court Judge Richard H. Kyle of Minneapolis ordered that the city’s Occupy group and Hennepin County officials participate in an expedited settlement conference.

“The court notes, regardless of this order, that plaintiffs are unlikely to leave the plazas [adjacent to the Hennepin County Government Center] anytime soon,” Kyle wrote in his order concerning Occupy Minneapolis’ motion for a temporary restraining order. “The county has recognized that plaintiffs may assemble there during any hour of the day, and plaintiffs have indicated their willingness to do so for the foreseeable future. Hence, the parties are going to have to ‘learn to live’ with one another.”

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  • Guest

    The only people the Occupiers are hurting are the 99% they claim to be fighting for.  Stop all this nonsense and stop costing taxpayers money.

    Find another way to get the goat of the 1% because as of now you haven’t done a thing.

  • Anonymous

    They have your attention, and the attention of American through newspaper, internet, television, and so on. Also, Bank of America backed down.

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t you give them ideas or you can’t think of any  ??

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q4AP5EYCYRCGZGIJGWI6TLIUEA Tom

    Easy solution: Executive Order by the governor declaring Capitol Park a Maine State Park, and camping will be $20 per night, per tent. Occupiers win, the state treasury wins, everybody’s happy!

  • Anonymous

    The occupiers are true heroes.  They are seeking true justice and elimination of vast corruption.  They are being attacked by hate and false information.  They are persevering in tough weather and daring to be arrested for what they believe in. 

    It all adds up to heroism.  Thank you, OWS!

  • Anonymous

    Occupy  Please! stop listening to the great divider .Go home, warm up,cleanup,sit down and really think about the time Mr Obama lured you into wasting.In life there is no free lunch.The dems would let you believe everything should be free .Hopefully once you get some sleep reality will strike. If you want anything in life America allows you to go get it.You just need to work for it.No one will hand it to you.

  • Anonymous

    Does MR. LINCOLN need to lend a hand here? Sound like some type of slavery act here is involved with control the way they chose to spend tax payees dollars the wrong way and more of that nature, Give thanks to the one that does stand up against the way the tax payees are treated like to who give a hoot hoot here,
       Electrical is going up with the cost like the TWC has with some business of talking to someone like in PHILIPPINES is BOOSTMOBILE N CLEARWIRE N NORTON SECURITY N MORE TO CHEAP AMERICA EMPLOYEES OUT OF THE RIGHTS to pay low wages cost but charges AMERICA PRICE TO CUSTOMER. . . . . . . . . . .

  • Anonymous

    Heroes?  Funny stuff.  And right in the forefront is Jim Freeman.  That man will wh0r3 himself out to any cause or protest.

    BTW, you have worn out the term “hate”.  Might be time to think of another term to demonize people against this farce.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, talk about disjunctive and unintelligible “speech”!  You have been smoking way to much of something. 

    you must be the spokesman for the group.

  • MyThoughts

    Only if you are using the synonym for sub sandwich and even then it is a Limburger Cheese Hero.   As for the other definition of hero, these people don’t come close and I take offense to you soiling the names of true heroes.  Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, King, etc. are those kinds of heroes and none them got fifteen minutes of fame banging a garbage can outside a Governor’s home.  Go away and leave the 98% of us who don’t care about occupiers alone!

  • Anonymous

    They have peoples’ attention in the same way that an attack of scabies gets attention.

  • MyThoughts

    A waste of the minimal public funds we have left.  Publicity hounds are all they are.  Who in their right mind sues so they can camp out without a permit, a free one at that!

  • Anonymous

    If you want to end corruption in America, you have to stand up and fight for justice.  No big greedy corporation is going to hand it to you.

    In Canada, everyone is handed a chance to go see the doctor.  In America, 50 million people can’t afford a doctor and the rich have tripled their wealth, while the rest of us sink.

  • Anonymous

    The same kind of thing was said about the civil rights movement by those who wanted to keep segregation. It’s hate speech.

  • Anonymous

    The truth is the truth.  OWS faces a lot of hate–such as yours.  The civil rights movement faced a lot of hate too.  Nasty name calling, just like you use.

  • Anonymous

    You mean the Democrats?

  • Anonymous

    Actually, Washington was considered a traitor by Britain, and got plenty dirty fighting tyranny.

    OWS is also fighting tyranny and dealing with people who attack them viciously, people without arguments.

  • Anonymous

    They were not there on Thursday or Friday…interesting they only occupy when it is convenent for them.  Guess their principles come and go.

  • Anonymous

    I would have to respectfully disagree. I believe that the Occupy people are getting attention, your post would be an indicator of that. More importantly the recent decisions by many of the major financial institutions to either  reverse a policy of imposing fees or to abandon planned imposition of fees may have been influenced by Occupy protest. However the most significant indicator of the fact that the Occupy movement is getting noticed would be a recent statement by one of the country’s most conservative US Senators, Tom Coburn, in which he not only references Occupy but also expresses his view that our government has been coddling the wealthy. His statement about “welfare for the well off” is a dramatic change of position for Sen. Coburn especially in light of his proposal to introduce legislation to do away with many of the tax breaks that the rich in our country currently enjoy. 

  • MyThoughts

    You sir need help to even try to compare an occupier to Washington! 

  • MyThoughts

    Please just move to Canada if you think it is so great.  The 98% don’t!

  • Anonymous

    I mean hate speech by whoever opposed Martin Luther King jr., disgusting little sad hate speech.  And the civil rights movement beat it.

    Hate is the tool of those who are blind to justice.

  • ptkitty

    Next time, get STONED AFTER you make your post, please. 

    I THINK HE SAID:  ”Mr. Lincoln would roll over in his grave the way we’re spending tax dollars.  Give  a hoot…don’t pollute.   Phillipines Electrical  gave me a BOOST with a clearwire.   Cheap Norton Security employees have a right to low wages.” 

    The rest is simply unintelligible…………..Did anyone interpret something else?

  • MyThoughts

    1% rich, 1% occupiers and 98% of us who know we have to work hard to succeed and realize the other 2% are screwing us and know jack ____ !  Long live the 98% who love America!

  • Anonymous

    The only ones that notice these “occupiers” is so called other 99%s. The police, firemen, sanitation, and mayors have to act as camp counselors for this “movement.” All at the cost of taxpayers. The 1% does not know or care about this “movement.” Their leader Obama already agreed to reduce their college party debts, you would think most of them would go find a job with that accomplished.

  • Anonymous

    Loving America means treating American citizens with decency and a real chance to pursue happiness.  50 million Americans can’t afford a doctor.  We need to change that. 

  • Anonymous

    I think attemtps to link these types of incidents with the way Martin Luther King conducted himself is quite sad and cheapens what that man was able to accomplish.

  • MyThoughts

    Occupiers are the 1% anarchists who only care about themselves just like the 1% they claim to be rallying against.  Those 2% hate America and only love the publicity they can get!  If these Occupiers cared they would have donated the money to be spent on a lawsuit to the homeless and gotten a permit claiming to the cameras they love we don’t agree with permits but we care more about our fellow man.  You sir have been fooled wolves in sheep clothing!   Long live the 98% who love America!

  • Anonymous

    Those who fought the  Civil Rights efforts the most were Democrats/”Liberals”, funny how soon we forget.

  • Anonymous

    I get confused reading these posts. Apparently so do the people that dislike the Governor so much. They say he isnt smart enough to run a lemonade stand, a guy that hasnt got a clue. And yet the same people who say that storm onto the grounds of his residence in an Occupy Wall Street movement like he some sort of captain of industry or lord of high finance.

  • Anonymous

    Please help, I am being being forced into economic slavery by Coca Cola and Ford Motor Company.

  • Anonymous

    Is OWS a healthcare movement now?

  • MyThoughts

    Push LIKE to join the 98% who dislike the 1% occupier anarchists and 1% money changers.  The 98% love America!

  • Anonymous

    Neat talking points–where’s your facts? Where’s your evidence, where’s your source?

    Look at these convictions of highest level Wall Street bankers.  Even Fox News is critical of Wall Street.  The wealth of America has all gone to the rich, through unethical practices:

    http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/a-stunning-fall-from-grace-for-a-star-executive/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048914/Raj-Rajaratnam-convicted-Wall-Streets-biggest-insider-trading-scandal-jailed.html

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/05/lawsuit-claims-banks-cheated-veterans-on-mortgage-loan-fees/

  • Anonymous

    Here we go again, another Occupy group filing a restraining order, against the city they are not having an event in but yet remain in that city.  Now usually when I go to court and file a restraining order, I should stay away from the person I put it out against, BUT, somehow you can do it against a city/state/group, yet stay in the city that you filed that very order and to top it off on property you don’t own, this is like me going to my neighbor and informing him because he has 38 more acres of land then I do and gives access to them loud snowmobiles each winter, that I am filing a restraining order against him, on his own property so I can block the trails this winter going across his field…and to think I didn’t think an unorganized group could get any more unorganized….

  • Anonymous

    As they are for social justice and equality, I would say this is a part of it. 

  • Anonymous

    I would like to ask just one question…………………..WHAT?

  • chris reid

    The penguin is still on holiday in Florida.

  • Anonymous

    No, they are a bunch of burned out hippies who think they are above the law and don’t have to follow the law because of  ”free speech” Maybe they would get more support if they followed the rules instead of being above it. 98% of america wants you to go home. Hell you clowns can’t even come up with a common goals. I bet if the tea party was to set up camps, there would be permits, but as we all know, the permit for them would not let them take over the park and camp out!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life

    Spruce, please move to Canada for your free stuff.

  • http://twitter.com/NorthernRants Bill Buck

    ocCupy McDonalds

  • Anonymous

    All these professional protestors have to do is get a permit and they can stay.

  • Anonymous

    check out new legislation pending today and tomorrow in washington<> Worldwide indefinite detention without charge S 1867.  that should come in handy.  guess the patriot (patriotic ? ha) act wasn’t sufficient unto striping us of our rights. standby to standby.  the machine has mezmirized you just about hook line and sinkwer. everything is Fine keep shopping.

  • MyThoughts

    A waste of the minimal public funds we have left.  Publicity hounds are all they are.  Who in their right mind sues so they can camp out without a permit, a free one at that!  You don’t need facts to see and express one’s opinion of the occupiers’ insincerity.  They have not been chosen by the 98% to cleanse us of the money changers misdeeds.    Accepting their self anointment is for those slackers only wanting redistribution of wealth and not to work hard.  Obviously you enjoy the coat tail ride to socialism your on.   Long live the 98% who love America.

  • Anonymous

    See, you use the harshest term you can find to vilify those who don’t share your opinion.    Just like using the term racist on anyone who disagrees with Obama.  Pretty lame really.

    Sorry, but I think you’ll find that 99% of the 99% don’t agree with the “occupiers”.

  • MyThoughts

    Push LIKE to join the 98% who dislike the 1% occupier anarchists and 1% money changers. 

                                                             The 98% love America!

  • Anonymous

    Catch your attention and thank you for letting me know you have no access of bath salt now that the supply have been cut down, Just to let you know I don’t do drug or alcohol as your attitude speak up of your intention that you might do is your trouble ok,

  • Poe Bradley

    As a member of Occupy Worcester I wll tell you right now now one in any of the occupys Ive been to is looking for a free ride despite what Faux News tells you I have no problem having a job that pays a fair living wage so I can pay my taxes so they can go to help my fellow citizens have education & health care so they can go out & do the same I dont think banks should run bait & switch scams that lure people into risky loans I also dont think corporations should be exploiting cheap overseas labor at the expense of the American Middle class This is what Occupy is about its not about who the Bimbo’s Hasbens & other corporate shills over at faux tell you we are go to an occupy & find out for yourself

  • http://twitter.com/kirkywood Kirk Wood

    bye bye

  • Anonymous

    Oh My, You give the Occupy folks way too much credit. You really do. Despite what you may think business generally responds to their customers. BOA in this case over-reached. The market (customers) spoke. BOA course corrected. That is a perfect example of how market forces and capitalism work. You hurt my bottom line I react. That very thing happens all the time. It is no different than when a soft drink maker pulls some brand off the shelf when consumers no longer buy it.
    Senator Coburn was merely doing what politicians do. I am not privy to his moves but it was said not without reason and I am sure not to pacify some Wall Street Whiners.
    A better argument for your cause may be in Obama embrace of the Occutards language.

  • valgal10

    Get off the front steps of the Blaine house. I would shoot you if you were on my front steps…under the rouse of free speach…get a life …so tired of wasting money on all of you. The food that was donated to feed you should have gone towards feeding the “really” hungry and needy…not you spoiled brats…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    The NY Supreme Court says the OWS protesters have no right to stay indefinitely on public land.

    http://www.newsytype.com/13528-ows-eviction-upheld/

    Note to Protesters —- “Free Speech Does Not Equal Free Rent.”

  • Anonymous

    Oh my Cheesey please spare me your lecture on the workings of the free enterprise system. I would hazard a guess that I have been running my business at least as long if not longer then you have yours. I most certainly do not need you to advise me on what arguments I should or should not make. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

    Ok let me get this straight these people are protesting that they think big business are getting over on them  with the help of the government and the courts.

    Those same people are using the courts to get them permission to continue to break the law by camping and gathering without permission or permit denying the use of the public land to those who have the right to use it? 

    Is it just me or does that seem a bit hypocritical?

  • Anonymous

    So appealing to the legal system if you think your rights are being violated is not politically correct to right wing extremists posting here. 

  • Anonymous

    You would shoot them? You would be in jail, then…

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and where he/she would belong after such an act.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for checking in . Many of us do not give Faux news much credibility.

  • Anonymous

    You won, on more than one level. You expressed your thoughts without name-calling. You won.

  • Anonymous

    I respect your right to voice your opinion but there is
    no right to camp out and be a hindrance. Go home and
    come back and beat your drum.

  • kcjonez

    I suppose I would fall into your imaginary 98%.  I have worked hard all my life, paid my taxes and insurance premiums, set aside a little nest egg for my retirement if I can ever afford to, supplemented my income by working overtime and side jobs–then about five years ago my employer disbanded the company and let everyone go.  I have managed to find work since then and stay off the public dole but chose to make my mortgage payments instead of paying the exorbitant rates for health insurance.  I’m not homeless yet but not a day goes by that I don’t worry about the possibility of losing everything I have worked for.  I see story after story about this all the time but mostly only in the U.S.
    I hear all this stuff about job creators but historically, the greater the wealth inequality, the fewer the jobs.  Big bankers do not create jobs with their tax breaks and bailouts, they extract wealth from the system.  That wealth is not created, it comes from you and me in the form of higher commodity prices and reduced services that we have to make up the difference for.  
    I support the Occupiers because they understand how the system has been gamed to advantage a decreasing number of people with an increasing amount of wealth.  They understand how this small minority has hijacked our governmental processes to favor their selfish interests.  America may still be the land of opportunity that the dittoheads like to rant about but the opportunities are becoming much more difficult to achieve and the chance of failure is increasing proportionately.  
    The Occupy people are not preaching anarchy, they are preaching democracy.  Those who a consciously choosing to support the current status quo are choosing fascism over democracy.  

    I love America but agree with the Occupiers that it is time for serious changes to the power structure that is in place.  I’ll be fine, but my children are struggling and the prognosis for their children is grim if we can’t turn it around.  Think about it.  

  • Anonymous

    Then you should know you react to your customers. Not to their politics.

    Besides I thought you left.

  • kcjonez

    I think the most significant indicator that the Occupy movement is getting noticed is the concerted and coordinated and often violent national effort to remove them from the public eye.  

  • Anonymous

    Well look here Occupiers, the great divider who most of you voted for is giving up on the white working class. The bastion of the Democrat movement for 70 years. How do you like them apples? I guess they are going to target the non-working class now. You should all fit right in then.
    http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/the-future-of-the-obama-coalition/

  • valgal10

    So it is okay for strangers to congregate on your front steps holding up obnoxious signs and chanting but I as a home owner have no recourse…believe me when I say I would shoot them and then scream my rights under the second amendment…trespassing is a crime…

  • Anonymous

    Why would they stop, its all for publicity and not for the working class they claim to support. Their supporters here are just drinking the swill that MSNBC, The Huffington Post and Daily Kos offer up. Why would we expect more from them?

  • Anonymous

    That crowd in the picture looks like a bunch of layabouts, burnouts and hipsters with nothing better to do on a Sunday. How bout really helping your community out by volunteering at a charity? I know there is no publicity in that…hmmm…I think I discovered the answer.

  • MyThoughts

    I feel your pain as my family also struggles in this economy.  I am in no way agreeing with the status quo, but  placing your hope in the occupiers is the same as hoping our misguided partisan politicians will find an answer.  The system is screwing the 98%, but beating on a drum outside the Blaine House won’t help.  The answer lies in the 98% saying enough is enough.  The answer is a balance between taxes and cuts.  No one should feel entitled to anything and all must accept that they have to do their part.  Happiness will result from knowing our children, grand children and future generations are secure and dreams, rather than fear can guide us.  Neither of the 2% have any direction to offer to accomplish this and us the 98% need to realize the 2% are the proverbial wolves in lambs clothing.  Please, I ask each and every member of the 98% to reach out to each other with kindness, hope, and consideration.  Together we can pull America’s boot straps up, separate we are no better than the 2% trying to destroy America.  When’s the last time you asked your neighbor how life was?  Reach out to someone on the street, at work, the store, anywhere and tell them we can succeed together.  We must recreate the American Community before the 2% ruins it completely!   Support the 98% who love AMERICA!

  • Anonymous

    It is kind of like when a child goes wayward. The parents would hope their child will get back on a better path. It does not mean  they don’t love them.

  • http://twitter.com/realjwstorm John White

    Excellent post!

  • Anonymous

    You can scream all you want, but you would go to jail for a very long time. The steps are very likely public property and even if not, Maine has fairly strict laws regarding the use of deadly force:

    “Deadly force justified to terminate criminal trespass AND another crime
    within home, or to stop unlawful and imminent use of deadly force, or
    to effect a citizen’s arrest against deadly force; duty to retreat not
    specifically removed”

    Good luck with justifying shooting a protester on your steps.

    Funny, how 7 people recommended your post, but we had numerous people coming out of the woodwork to vilify a police officer’s use of deadly force to stop a knife-wielding assailant. I guess private citizens can use deadly force for any perceived slight while cops need to be shot at before doing the same…

  • Anonymous

    What can you expect on this site?     But yes, you are correct. He/she would deserve to be in jail.  Maybe he would shoot someone coming to the door with a political petition if it was not of his political persuasion?    Sounds just great, doesn’t it…..

  • Anonymous

    Note to self: tell daughter NOT to participate in bottle drive. Apparently people think they could shoot her!

  • hasacluemaine

    Wonders how long a counter demonstration promoting free market capitalism would be tolerated? You know, free markets without massive government subsidies for people, select green energy industries like GE and Solyndra and billionaires, like George Soros. Interesting that these folks never mention those industries and people.

  • Anonymous

    Not leaving this year until after Christmas. 

  • Anonymous

    what dose volunteering at a charity half to do with the way that both parties have got the united  states into the mess we are in now.  All you are doing is telling them to forget about all the waste that’s going on the  Augusta an Washington DC. Is that how changes are made  ??

  • Anonymous

    This judge is a coward! She is trying to play both sides of the fence. What she should have done is up hold the law as she said she would do when she was sworn in and took the oath of office!

  • Anonymous

    People like you tell them to find another way  . Why don’t you tell them how they should do it than ??

  • Anonymous

    You would get the death pentaily

  • Anonymous

    It may not look like it now, but I think the AG won this round in the federal court.  The hearing on the plaintiffs’ request for a tro is a week away, and I think it’s a pretty good bet that the plaintiffs and other occupiers will violate the temporary agreement brokered by the court or do something else to make themselves look bad, thereby putting themselves in an even more unsympathetic position when they’re again before the court.

  • Anonymous

    Kc I have been there also. I recently decided to forgo a medical test that I would have been covered for under our old insurance plan but because of government interference premiums became too high and I had to settle for a plan that did not cover this needed cancer test and as a cancer survivor I need. (I used the money in my HSA account for another family member.)  I direct my anger at a government that doesn’t know its proper role and became so involved it made health insurance too expensive and may have even contributed to your employer disbanding his/her company. Believe e the government and especially politicians have no interest in caring for your needs.

  • Anonymous

    The truth is out there, lol and so are crop circles. Also the sky is falling. You should have just gotten the permit and had a focus (plan of action), you’ve lost any credibility and you have alienated anyone who you claim to be trying to help. Oh and it’s convenient that it’s the homeless who are causing all the problems and not the occupiers. The homeless don’t fall in the 99% somewhere or are they a scapegoat for any trouble? 

  • Anonymous

    And thank God for them!

  • MyThoughts

    I hope your cancer stays in remission.  Please support the 98% and put your disappointment to work to stop the 2%.  Supporting others like KC shows unity and strength,  but most importantly it shows that we care,  the true American way.

  • Anonymous

    You  can still post here from wherever you are going, right? Others do  including “Bonnie” and EJ Parsons.

  • Anonymous

    drag  one of them inside, then  do  the other part.

  • kcjonez

    Every movement has its drum beaters.  That is not who I am listening to.  I am listening to the fact checkers and the idea people.  The facts are scary.  
    400 families control 50% of our wealth.  
    One hedge fund guy extracted over $4 billion last year wagering on the economy remaining bad and payed(or not) 15% on his “earnings” in taxes while we who have no health insurance pay 28%.  
    Our military uses over 50% of our budget when all the peripheral cots are factored in.  They try to scare us into believing that this destructive use our taxes is more important than building up our own country and taking care of our own.  
    Almost all of our “representatives are members of the 1%, they have no intention of helping us out of the hole that they have us in.  etc, etc…
    And the Occupiers ideas?  Fix it!  Elect representatives that will not be party to the thievery.  Move your money out of the big banks.  Refuse to do business with them.  Boycott Wal-mart and McDonalds.  Buy your food locally and anything else you possibly can made in the USA by union shops.  And most of all, tell the truth to all our citizens who will never see it or hear it by watching our mainstream media.  As for the American community…….Bingo!!!  That is exactly what we’re talking about.  That is what we are losing.  That is what the 1% is taking from us and what the Occupiers are fighting to save.   

  • Anonymous

    What would you have done if you had been the judge?

  • Anonymous

    You are a fool if you think that these people are like you. These are lazy full time protesters.

  • Anonymous

    Do you give msnbc any credibility?

  • kcjonez

    You are a fool if you believe that.  These are intelligent, educated, idealistic people who see a serious flaw with our country and want to fix it.  Go talk to them some time.  Listen in to their GA’s online.  They haven’t identified the best solution yet but they have identified the problem and they are doing more to solve it than anyone else.  

  • MyThoughts

    Sorry I do not believe they are and besides we as the 98% should fight for ourselves, side by side with our neighbors.  Laws make people bearable, ethics make them enjoyable.  Neither of which the 2%, money changers and occupiers, adhere to in any way.  Don’t surrender to anyone who thinks they know what is right for you.   The 98% is a collective voice of all in perpetual motion.  An American community is like fine tuned machine; every part must participate and contribute equally. 

  • Anonymous

    Free Lynnl4!

  • Anonymous

    “Social Justice”..aka redistribution of stuff from people who earned it to those who didn’t.

  • MyThoughts

    That is the problem, letting others decide what it is and how to solve it.  We need the 98% to collectively identify and solve it to best meet the needs of the American community.  Enough is enough, stop the 2% and help the 98% succeed.  The 98% love America!

  • Anonymous

    Go back to Worcester bub.

  • Anonymous

    Like i said a fool

  • kcjonez

    I respect your opinion.  I will agree to disagree.  Beware the schisms that are designed to keep us from acting in unison–schisms like red/blue, dem/rep, pro/anti…..
    We should all learn not to vote against our own interests, something of which we don’t have a good track record. We should hold our candidates feet to the fire when it comes to regulating those who run rampant over the general welfare.  

  • MyThoughts

    Thank you.  I hope your life improves in the days ahead.  I, as one of the 98%, will be there in support.  We will neither get everything our own way but together we can brainstorm and agree on a plan to rebuild the American Community.   Balance and compromise are the words of the future.

  • Anonymous

    Of course I can post from Florida. Someone has to keep cheesey in line.

  • Anonymous

    Funny, if people in this country need a doctor they can go to the Emergency room, they can’t be turned away. My wife’s best friend is from Canada, her mother died waiting for cancer treatment there. You can stick your views of their healthcare system in a tent with a dirty occupier thank you very much.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t have cable. Don’t bother with a lot of it.

  • Anonymous

    Stop the 2%? Please. I thought it was the 1% now your dialing the number back eh? Soon it will be the 50% your after.

  • Anonymous

    You are not the fool.

  • Anonymous

    this is my method of dealing with irresponsible bankers: 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myuJv2V3XvE  

  • MyThoughts

    Yes the 2% or in other words the 1% anarchists occupiers and 1% money changers.  Read the posts above and join the movement.  The 98% love America.

  • Anonymous

    What does a bag of hammers, bongo drums, and $100 prize have in common?  The making of a fine contest among occupiers that I would pay to watch.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q4AP5EYCYRCGZGIJGWI6TLIUEA Tom

    Please, please, please stay – at least for another 11 months. It makes the Manchurian Candidate in the Oval Office look sooooooo appealing.

  • Anonymous

    You are a bright as a burnt out light bulb

  • Anonymous

    This is Maine, in the USA. We speak English here.

  • Anonymous

    You make a lot of sense. I’m with you man. Why do all these whiny military screwballs waste public funds to fight ridiculous things like terrorism in the Middle East without asking them for a permit first. Things would be much easier if we just turned our government over to China, silly politics wasting the dwindling resources. There’s no chance any of these countries would ever attack us on our own soil or attempt to infiltrate every level of our government. And really no way any of these groups could be running our Astro Turf movements. You’re so frickin smart.

  • Anonymous

    what is occupying augusta going to do, to change wall street??? I bet the guys on wall street are shaking in their boots…how ignorant can these occupy oddballs be… nobody cares but the media. these occupies love to be in the media

  • Anonymous

    they were busy buying china made deals at walmart on friday

  • Anonymous

    they are wasting the courts time

  • Anonymous

    Its nice to see these grand occupiers and how they stop to pose for the media

  • Anonymous

    Ordered both sides to the table, set a hearing date, then to make sure we follow laws that are on the book now, order the campers to follow the laws as written, and if that means no tents and camping, then too bad, go home. Again, just because you are calling it free speech, does not mean you are above the law. If the law says the park is closed at 10:00 PM, be out of the park by 10:00 PM. If the judge at the later date strikes down the law, then we will be making changes and we will have to see what come of that. I still say the judge is a coward, Why do we have these laws if they are not going to be followed, I remind you there are laws saying you gave to have a permit to be in this country, we see how good that is working.

  • Anonymous

    I not can standunder say what you are …. pass Shaggy the baggy so he can twist Scooby a dooby

  • Anonymous

    You mean the Democrats?  Because it was the Democrats who opposed MLK.

  • Anonymous

    I have not seen the plaintiffs’ complaint and any other pleadings that have been filed, so I can’t comment in much detail.  However, based on my experience, I can answer your comment and say that it’s unliikely that any federal judge would have done as you have suggested, at least not at this stage of the proceedings. 

     You should understand that the case was only filed this morning.  It’s a civil rights action and the plaintiffs are probably requesting declaratory and injunctive relief ordering the defendant not to interfere with what they claim are their First Amendment rights to freedom of expression, and they have requested the court to issue a temporary restraining order enjoining the defendant from requiring the plaintiffs to have a permit for their activities at the park.  The AG, representing the defendant, hasn’t filed responsive pleadings yet (and how could he given that the complaint was only filed this morning), much less any counter claims for relief against the plaintiffs, so obviously the federal court would not have made any order today, which I think you are suggesting, that would require “the campers to follow the laws as written, [to strike their tents], and go home”.  If you think that the federal court would have made such an order against the plaintiffs today, you clearly know nothing about federal court procedures.  Frankly, that’s as nonsensical as your statement that the judge is a “coward”.  You have no basis for saying that.  You don’t know what you’re talking about, and if I were permitted to say it on the BDN’s website, I would call you a fool for making that statement.

    What the judge has done is got the parties together to reach their own agreement – not a court ordered injunction or restraining order, but an agreement of the parties and their lawyers – regarding how the situation will be handled until next Monday’s hearing on the request for a tro or preliminary injunction.   Basically, what the partiies have done is agree to preserve the status quo – with some conditions against the plaintiffs – until next Monday’s hearing.  At that time, I expect the court will consider the city’s ordinances and other laws, the plaintiffs’ arguments about the First Amendment, and the interests of the public, and make it’s order.  Since the case shouldn’t be complicated, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the court advances the trial on the merits and consolidates it with the request for temporary relief. 

    I’m sure you won’t agree, but in my opinion the judge has acted fairly and wisely so far and the AG has gained an advantage.  I don’t know what the evidence and legal arguments will be, but if I had to guess, I would say it’s unlikely that the plaintiffs are going to get what they want.  I think their requests will be denied.  These occupiers are fools, bindlestiffs, and layabouts trying to create a nuisance by camping out and, as a practical matter, excluding law abiding citizens from using public parks- all on the basis of a strained interpretation of the First Amendment.

  • Dumbb All Over

    BDN website might be ok with you calling riffraft a fool…I will say it: Riff Raft you are a ranking member of dumbb all over community…please close your spew hole.  Great comments bandbox..thanks for your input!!

  • Dumbb All Over

    jjuueduuhdget!!!!  bbagterfdcsete!   kkkednhstceclslvvefsc!   kdjfshf.,.,/a..,./.,”;//…,,..!!!!!

  • Dumbb All Over

    he done got some a them there bath salts too I reckon…come to Augusta…take a sh*t in the park beat the drums, smoke the weed and don’t forget to have sex in the teepee.  Happy Haunnakkah

  • Anonymous

    Just how professor?

  • Anonymous

    Any one could blog something today but that doesn’t mean it is a fact. Just because the media writes something doesn’t mean it is a fact either. Everyone has an agenda. What is yours Sprucy?

  • Anonymous

    Hindrance to whom?  I still have yet to see where anyone is really impacted by these protests.  In Philadelphia, I get it, but here….

    Our right to dissent and to assemble must be worth more than just lip service.  We haven’t stretched our legs, constitutionally, in a good many years.  It is amazing how little people know about history.  With these most valued rights must come some inconvenience from time to time.  If this right is not protected now, for these people, it may not be there the next time there is reason to seek redress of grievances.

    If it is not worth a small inconvenience, then it is no longer an essential liberty.  We must not give up on the core of what made us who we are.

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