Passamaquoddy Tribe to create $25M water bottling facility, 96 full-time jobs

Posted Nov. 24, 2011, at 12:44 p.m.
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INDIAN TOWNSHIP, Maine — The Passamaquoddy Tribe at Indian Township has nearly completed lining up investors for a $25 million water bottling plant, a project that tribal Gov. Joseph Socabasin said will provide 96 full-time, good-paying jobs with benefits.

Socabasin discussed the project this week in the wake of the tribe’s loss at the polls in early November, which blocked plans for a tribe-owned racino in Washington County. Socabasin said the loss was a disappointment, but the tribe continues to pursue several other projects, including the bottling plant.

He said it will be the only Native American-owned water bottling company in North America and with its close proximity to the port at Eastport, may have the ability to market tribal water around the world. Tomah Water LLC, with an office in Bangor, has been created to seek investors for the project.

The water will come from a spring water aquifer on tribal land in Washington County and will be bottled and initially marketed — maybe as soon as next fall — to Native American casinos and hotel chains under those businesses’ own private labels, Socabasin said. Eventually, however, he hopes to break into the retail water market selling under the brand name Passamaquoddy Blue.

“This is very exciting for the tribe,” Socabasin said.

He said initial testing has indicated extremely high-quality water, and at least one million gallons a day can be extracted without affecting the aquifer’s recharge capacity. “There is absolutely no concern of draining the aquifer,” he said.

The aquifer is located about four miles into a forest from U.S. Route 1 just north of the center of town, near Telephone Road. Socabasin said it will be cheaper for the tribe to run a pipeline from the aquifer to the highway than build a road to the site. “This will be much less intrusive for the environment as well,” he said. A 40,000-square-foot facility will be built on Route 1.

Hydrologists and geologists, both privately hired by the tribe and from the Maine Drinking Water Program, have been on site and test pumpings have been conducted. Socabasin said a hydrologist who tested the water told him the quality was “the best water seen in the Northeast.”

Socabasin said the reservation has two freshwater aquifers. One is currently being used as the tribe’s drinking water source but the other would be used solely for bottled water production. He said there would be four bottling lines and when the facility is at its peak — in an estimated 18 months to two years — it will provide 96 full time jobs.

The primary objective of the bottling project, according to a statement online at www.passamaquoddyblue.com, is to create a significant source of jobs on the reservation with earnings that “can stimulate local improvements for the overall well-being of tribal members well into the future.”

The tribe has nearly completed putting together the investment package, Socabasin said, and construction could begin as early as next spring.

Permits will be required from the Maine Department of Agriculture, the Maine Department of Environmental Protection — because extraction will exceed 50,000 gallons a year — and the Maine Drinking Water Program.

Roger Crouse, director of the Drinking Water Program, said recently that one of his hydrologists is already working with the tribe on the project.

Socabasin said the tribe originally hoped to begin construction of the plant this summer but that was delayed because of funding issues. He explained that the project needs to be funded through private investors and loans from the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

“This is because traditional banks cannot foreclose on reservation properties,” he said.

“BIA was expected (in 2011) to get $250 million for its guaranteed loan program, but that was cut by 80 percent,” Socabasin said. “We were only able to obtain $4.4 million. We are now working with several other programs and expect the full financing package to be in place soon.” He would not be more specific about how much funding is in hand or a time frame for start up.

Socabasin said the tribe will initially market the water to other Native American businesses, such as casinos and hotel chains, which have a policy of dealing first with other Native American businesses.

The chief said that will give his tribe an immediate market and access to a steady stream of bottled water drinkers. Also the tribe’s business plan states that “private label bottling currently generates in excess of $1 billion in yearly sales with growth rates exceeding traditional brands.”

Eventually the water also will be sold retail.

“But in the beginning we will not be a position to compete with companies such as Poland Spring, now owned by Nestle,” the governor said. “We expect that it will take a couple of years before we will be able to offer our own brand.”

Socabasin said the capacity of the aquifer “is huge and offers an amazing economic opportunity for the tribe.”

He said that when he was elected governor a year ago, one of his first acts was to establish an Office of Economic Development. “We had never had such an effort before,” he said. “My whole goal is not just to create jobs, but to pay a livable wage.”

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  • Anonymous

    I am happy for my sister tribe and that Chief Socabasin is looking to the future, and taking into account the evirometal impact. Gaming is a dying industry with the economy the way it is, so the tribe is going in the right direction.

  • Anonymous

    Congradulations and and best wishes for a successful endeavor.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DK2NSO2GYJSIRQOPYAXLKVEIA4 James

    Hats off to the Passamaquoddy Tribe. Their “no quit” attitude will put them where they want to be in a couple of years. They have earned it, soon they will enjoy it!!!

  • Anonymous

    Well done!! Best of Luck!!  As soon as you folks start selling retail, I’m in.

  • Anonymous

    Water water everywhere and not a buck to sink. Best of luck.

  • hasacluemaine

    I am very glad for the Tribe and offer my deepest wish for success. I will do all that I can as an individual, to encourage all people and businesses that I know, to support your endeavor. How appropriate that this story breaks on Thanksgiving, as we the late arrivers to this region, celebrate a day married to contact with Native Americans (indigenous peoples.)

  • Anonymous

    This is the type of business the tribe and others in the state should be looking into. Maine is not big enough to have casinos all over the place, they will just split the business up and cause failures down the road. Water is needed every day and will continue to be bought and sold. Good jobs that don’t rely on  “a role of the dice” is a much better long term investment. Good luck and good wishes on your new venture.  Who knows maybe you can bottle water for Hollywood and the new civic center.

  • Anonymous

    I hope the tribes just hirer there own an leave the white man out in the cold  . Sence they got a raw deal on having casino

  • Anonymous

    It would be a great thing for the People of the Dawn to develop this resource.  I just hope that the self-righteous clowns from the other Maine don’t scuttle this too.  The Northern Mass-holes of Portland-Augusta-Kennebunk have appeared to have it in for anyone that tries to create and maintain jobs in eastern Maine to continue the Brennan plan to de-populate Washington County, allowing for their Pristine National Park.  Yes, I think there was more than one shooter. too!

  • Anonymous

    Yes, damn Whitey…Damn him..

  • Anonymous

    I hope they have nothing but tales of great achievement to speak of.

  • Anonymous

    What is sad, in my opinion…..is that all throughout New England, the tribes have been using their nations to provide the means for a major economic impact industry…..casinos.    It’s not only New England, throughout the country.   But yet, both Penobscots and Passamaquoddy tribes have not been allowed to exercise their rights as a “tribal nation”.     In other words the state of Maine can have gambling casinos, and crap tables…..votes on where to put them,  but if you remember correctly, both tribes were denied various forms of these.     Foxwoods?….is an indian territoral casino.   

    Maine is the biggest hypocrit when it comes to gambling.   For years the state said absolutely NO to any form of gambling…..but yet, it promoted it’s own megabucks and scratch ticket gambling.  It wouldn’t allow high stakes bingo in Old Town, but less than 15 years later landed a casino in Bangor. 

    Now they are reduced to bottling water.    Now 96 jobs is great for the tribe,  but no so great for the entire region.  

  • Anonymous

    Bottling water can make them millions. Especially with todays global marketplace. I hope it works. You are right about the gambling. I believe that yay or nay’s for gambling should be left in the hands of the local counties and towns and not be decided but the larger population centers.
    How often has southern Maine dictated economic policy for the rest of the more rural areas in Maine?

  • Anonymous

    Right. See my post below. You and I both know that they will try to sink this project but be the first ones to complain about the other Maine living on the Dole. Typical.

  • Anonymous

    Many Mainers have native blood in them.  Why not be happy that your fellow man has found a successful project? Damning anyone is damning yourself.

  • Anonymous

    ya and lets pass a law they can only sell it on indian land !stick it to whitey real good !

  • Anonymous

    I can’t understand why we need to vote on any business. We don’t vote on a new Rite Aid, sporting goods store, Hannaford, heating oil distributor, etc., etc., etc. – unless there is an extenuating circumstance. Let anyone build a business, then let it stand or fall on its own merit. That would include a casino.

  • Anonymous

    well then they should have told jimmy carter to take a hike instead of signing away their lives on the indian land claims settlement act.thats what happens when you take anything from the govt .they own you .

  • Anonymous

    Dont worry….they will. They will openly discriminate against working Mainers who dont have the same skin color as they do. And,I’m betting it will be run into the ground within 5 years from corruption,and tribal leaders sticking their fingers into the cookie jar,just as every other financial endeavor as turned out for the tribes.
    Reverse discrimination is just as bad as discrimination,worse actually.

  • Anonymous

    HELLO! They SOLD that right in the indian land claims settlement in the 80′s. No matter how hard you try…whitey will not forget that.

  • Anonymous

    Good for the tribe for thinking outside the box. It’s to bad that a common resource has to be made a commodity. What next, sell air?

  • Anonymous

    Point taken. I was thinking more along the lines of zoning ect. I am hopefull but only to a point. Everyone in this state knows that Northen Mass. always has their nose in everyone elses business. The gambling issues have always been a sore spot for me. They wanted one, let them have it. Oh yeah, Gambling bad unless the state is running it.

  • http://twitter.com/Shreknangst Bill Schreck

    Finally, signs of intelligence from the tribal government.  Their push for Gaming was ill-advised and Bangor would seem to be proving that.  If Gaming were the panacea we would already be seeing firm improvement around Hollywood Slots.

    Now, with the idea of going into Bottled Water, they are actually introducing MORE real jobs and real money into their local economy.   Unlike Gaming, the profits will stay in the region — with Gaming it all goes out of state  to Nevada or other locales with the knowledge base and very specialized machines.

    Clean water will be in demand for generations to come — and we have ample supplies of deep uncontaminated water beneath our rock shelf …   

  • Anonymous

    Cool – hopefully they’re up for competing with Nestle and Pepsico.  Either way this is great for the tribe.

  • Anonymous

    Whitey will buy your water so keep your stupid comments to your self.  Also I am a whitey and I voted for the casino… Get a education before you make such  comments!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks to the past administration and Gov. Nicholas this project was started. The people of Indian Township made a mistake in 2010, “I did”, but i will neve forget what Gov. Nicholas did to take us out of debt. and put the tribe in excellent financial condition. Gov. Socobasin said it himself during his inauguration, look it up, give credit where it belongs for once…. 

  • Anonymous

    What a sad, sad day when the indigenous population who were once keepers of the earth will now sell their rights to this increasingly fragile natural resource so that it can be put into plastic bottles, advertised as Native American water that will only further pollute and damage Mother Earth. So incredibly sad.

  • Anonymous

    I did get a good education an a great retirement an im a white person too

  • Anonymous

    I agree whole heartedly…..what’s a shame, is that the state did not own up to their own principle, and did not allow these native americans their own destiny.   In my opinion, the state had no business saying whether or not these tribal nations could do what ever benefited them…….rather, I believe that the state withheld their right to do so, which is in direct contradiction to the treaties signed. ( I have only metis indian descent)
      These people live on “reservations”, and it does mean that they have the right to do what they wish.  And the reason why they did so, is because what we have always done to them……..stomp on them.      If you were of natural indian decent….wouldn’t you think that, once again, you got stabbed in the back?

    Look at us….First megabucks, then scratch tickets……now we have cities competeing for casinos….and all the while, …the reservations, whom the state has no jusrisdicition over, have been left out.     

    I have a problem with hypocritical government….by both Dems and Reps…….   A deal is a deal.   It’s funny how the representatives from the nations to our state’s legislature are regulated to “non voting members”…..which means that their opinions mean nothing, and their vote don’t count.   But Maine has certainlyl not treated  them with any respect.
    Dammit…..I’ll respect those that were here…..Long before any englishman got here.

    We have been defined as a “nation of immigrants”…..but yet we treat the people that were here when the immigrants arrived …..like this?

  • Anonymous

    Try spell check your education must not taught you to spell… As in your original post..
    hirer–hire     sence—since

  • Anonymous

    Their main consultant is a gringo. The depth and breadth of professional acumen required for this project is not present solely amongst the Passamaquoddys.

  • Anonymous

    One employs 96 people……..one would employ 196 people.      Do the math

  • Anonymous

    Bangornative: You are right! The Dugay brothers from Cherryfield, Maine are milking the tribe on this one. The article is incorrect in stating it will only be Native Owned. There is a lot of turmoil within the community against this new administration and the promises they made to get in. The tribe is almost broke again and Gov. Sococbasin is out of the office on hunting trips out of state more than he is in the office for the community. As he stated in a department meeting when he took office “I don’t think i’m going to last more than two years.” We elected a leader in 2010, not a “cheater.”

  • Anonymous

    Skeejun: The only future that Joe is looking out for is his own and his family. Oh, i forgot, you are his family…

  • Anonymous

    They did not….and they never will.     sell their rights to their  “reservations”………we put em there, and we gave them their own governance….unless you want to break a treaty, which was what the Indian Lands Claims was about in the late 70′s…….it doesn’t matter.      A deal is a deal,  you really need to understand something:    both tribes are allowed representatives to the legislature…but their vote doesn’t count?       See where I’m going?

  • Anonymous

    Fire water?

  • Anonymous

    They obviously did’t do that…….that’s why both nation’s attempted to do increase their economic
    opportunities, only to be told by a state that it’s not acceptable…..all the while, the state is doing the very thing that it said was illegal.     My point is succinct…..the state should have had no power to do so…even after the Indian Land Claim…..it should have learned it’s lesson, but it didn’t.   If this is the case, then why aren’t the indians awarded voting membership?

  • Anonymous

    Good point………but the problem is that we don’t let the native americans do anything.   We don’t give them voting rights in the maine legislature, nor do we allow them to manage their own nations, as set forth by treaty. You can say indian land claims this and whatever,   why do you think that happened the way that it did?……..They were hard up for money!!!  

    So in their minds, it’s like a no win situation.   Either we educate and transport, and live…..or , once again, they are gonna stomp on us…..     that’s a very lame point, and not really relevant to what the discussion is.

  • Anonymous

    You never mentioned the megabucks or the scratch tickets……which was my point

  • Greg DeBeck

    “Try spell check your education must not taught you to spell”

    Shouldn’t this read “Try spell check.(period)  your  (should be “Your” with a capital Y) education must not (insert the word “have”) taught you to spell

    People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

  • Anonymous

    Recall-Recall-Recall or make it easier for the people, just step down…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F7VMUU5NIDG3Y2AUPJUMBJY7B4 JEFF

    that sounds great.However coming from ct the two casinos there are on sovereign land and the Indians do not pay in to unemployment compensation fund so lf you get laid off after years of employment you get zip,they can hire and fire at will with no recourse and you don’t get workman’s comp if injured on the job as they are not required to have it and good luck tring to sue them.hope the laws are different here in Maine but if it is a federally recognized tribe than I would doubt it.Think of it like trying to make a foreign country pay you for something you think they owe you and you’ll get the picture.

  • Anonymous

    I think the tribe needs to fight in their OWN direction…..not necessarily what the state says which way they can go.    God bless em,   they are just as we are,  American’s…..I do not quetion their patriotism, but I can certainly understand why they would question our promises.

  • Anonymous

    This sounds like a well thought out venture.  I hope it succeeds.  It seems like every business venture the tribe has participated in has failed.  Good luck.

  • Anonymous

    It wasn’t Jimmy Carter!! ……he only honored the treaty that yours, mine, and his forfarther’s signed…….what’s so hard about that?…..   His attitude was “we ought to honor at LEAST one of them!

  • Anonymous

    I would gamble on this one, i bet Joe is a partner with the Dugay brothers on this water facility. It will come out in the wash…

  • Anonymous

    Read my post…..the state screwed the indians and their rights.    We had no business telling the indians what they can do on their lands,  that is whre we sent them/   It’s like you think that ….it’s their land, but we….the superior people of Maine… can tell you what you can and cannot do with it?

    They are called reservations and nations.   They have representatives in the maine legislature, but their vote don’t count…..It was determined hundreds of years ago, that they would govern themselves,    whats with the intervention?.    Maine had no right, legally, to say that they cannot build a casino, because……they are self governing.       Oh I’m sure that it’s different now,  but it’s just as different as it was in 1850 as it is now…….us not living up to our end of the deal.

  • Anonymous

    yes they did .if they hadnt signed the settlement they could have had a casino by now ,but they took the 80 milllion and blew it .(and what they had in the contract was a lot of stipulations against them)ie they sold their soul to the devil. now they have nothing left..BTW they have had lots of internal coruption  on that reservation and the penobscots, money misappropiated .money stolen. you name it.they are their own worst enemies.one of my co workers had a wife that was involve  in the financial aspect of it and the stunts that were pulled were not to be believed.

  • Anonymous

    The Indian land claims settlements act was drawn up by the carter admin and signed by the tribes that’s a fact 1978 was the year I believe
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  • Anonymous

    I hope Lepage and Nestle dont try to sink this venture, I bet Nestle/ poland springs are donaters to the GOP. 

  • Anonymous

    If the state of maine was not going to allow gambling in the 80′s or even the 90′s   what would make you think that Jock McKernan would allow them to do the same?.   Not only that Baldy was opposed to it as well……guess who won?        Let’s go play some table games,  in downtown Bangor!….you know, the place where both of them were from?      Hypocrisy…..   It’s all about money,  and the fact of the matter is, the state didn’t want the tribes to have it………jeez, I read something like that back in…..history.     They didn’t want them to have anything.

  • Anonymous

    It will never ever sell as passamaquoddy blue. Sorry folks.

  • Anonymous

    The Indian Land’s Claim Act was a result of an elderly native finding somthing in a shoe box that her grandfather had kept.     She was from Old Town,   and she was right.  The treaty said what it said,….the government decided to settle it.   It’s a good thing that this wasn’t happening now, …that’s all I got to say about that.

  • Anonymous

    I do…really understand what you are saying……..it’s a good point.     They did “blow” the money, but yet I submit to you that they were not allowed to administer their own , and had no representation that meant anything.    and were told they they were a “nation”, and somewhat automomous.      It’s frustrating…. the “moderator” doesn’t like me right now I think

  • Anonymous

    I have a ton of indian friends and I wish this tribe success but it isn’t like this idea hasn’t been batted around a thousand times all over the globe. In order to do this and be successful the product is going to have to be original and have more of a story then “captured on indian land”. I just hope they don’t get all kinds of grant and investor money, pay the guys at the top, blow through all the cash on limited capital expenditures and heavy payroll just to fold up the tee pee and move on to another project. We have seen it too many times. The Passamaquoddys want to be treated as equals and they should, for better or worse.

  • Anonymous

    True and its even been said their own legal team didn’t do them justice I’m sure they got a cut from them too kinda sad
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  • Anonymous

    Guess I never heard that one before and I was educated in old town

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  • Anonymous

    There are no settlers……none.     That would’ve survived without these native people.    And we give them …truth or dares?   …and not allow them their own privacy … or historically their own distiny?   When we have promised them as such? But yet we have referendums on casinos……when they….the reservations, like throughout America, have been granted that right.       It’s hypocrisy , it’s typical ,    …..and theyl expect it.      Republicans take note…..that’s why native americans don’t like you….because you steal, and can figure out a way to take it “legally”.

  • Anonymous

    True then however since the people voted for Hollywood they dint have a choice but the single ting as I understand it it is this settlements act they signed probably on advice from their lawyer a native BTW who only cared about his piece of the action I’m sure
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  • Anonymous

    Good idea for the tribe.
    They sure could use some good water at Pleasant Point.

    Extract 1 million gallons a day and not draw down the aquifer ??
    Whoever said that speaks with forked tongue.

  • Anonymous

    Done….with this…     The indian tribes of Maine have not been treated fairly.   My example is that the Penobscots on the island were forbidden to hold high stakes bingo……but yet the state of maine said it is ok for themselves to gamble (megabucks and scratches).   That was in the earlyl 90′s…..now Bangor, the home of two of the past three governor’s , both who were vehemently opposed to gambling,  says…..well it’s not THAT bad…..now that there’s a casino in
    Bangor..We need another governor. Baldacci, King, and McKernanan all said that maine is not a gambling state…….guess what, they figured out that if the state didn’t act first, then the reservations would have won in court.

    I left out Le Page on purpose…..the man hasn’t served one term in the Legislature, he has never held an executive postion, and didn’t make the City of Waterville any safer or more efficient. I know a political chameleon when I see one……I spent almost 9 years at the Legislature, …. he is, indeed, a piece of work.
    He evidently went to Florida….with his daugher. No problem there….but….HIS daughter work for him in the Executive Office! All the other governors went and did the p0litical thing and served dinners at shelters and food cupboards of his choice…….Not this one….he went to Florida.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not , nor do I mean for this to be demeaning nor condescending…….but it’s the truth.   I’m trying to remember her name…..but …..dammit.       Honest to god.   she was from Indian Island.

  • Anonymous

    Wow

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  • Anonymous

    Intelligenence from the tribal government?…..      That’s just sad,    you should have been a soldier in the civil war.     “with the idea of getting bottle water”…….if I was a member of the reservation in Eastport I would say…..time for a scalping!………YOU nor I don’t own them….they are there own nation….get it?    It’s like the anti park people…….it’s not ours….but it is because WE SAY SO……..you are so full of crap,   

  • Anonymous

    It’s not even any fun listening and reading these post.    It’s like   pissing with a jock on….you can do it, …but why even attempt it when you don’t have to.  

    If everyone wasn’t so polorized, it would be differnt.      But I know that differnce is, that people vote their wallets……remember that, as there are no jobs, and the kids are leaving the state.  Remember that when people don’t do somthing about an alternative to fossil fuel, or the unreliable fuels, such as gas…..Remember all of these……….when your job is gone

    And believe me, the more that you make…….the more that they look at saving.

  • ladybaroque

    Awesome!!

  • Anonymous

    I understand where you are going, and I appreciate the constructive critisism ….it’s much better than the nasty, hate stuff.    I completely understand that the voters voted the way that they did…..I voted for it, because it helps a community …..all I was trying to point towards was the state’s, and the executives (and I’ll note, many of them) …attitude towards these obvious indian national rights……I think that these reservations, or nations got screwed, and the state took the opportunity to pick up the benefits……….Other than that, I agree,   they weren’t very well advised on how to sell their land…

    My point is this; if the resevations would have been allowed their rights, as an indian nation, the problem would have been theirs, and not on our referendum ballots. If they would have presented problems to neighboring townships, that’s another thing. Imagine how much money was spent on all of casino ballots thorough out the years……and all the while, it’s right in the back door?… You wouldn’t have had Lewiston, or the other,,…just the tribes? Just a thought

  • Anonymous

    Water is a precious commodity in many parts of the world, but if they or any other company is responsible and doesn’t exceed the take of water from local sources so it can replenish it self what’s the problem.  If they want to go the “green” route, they can use the biodegradable bottles made from corn.

  • Anonymous

    Discrimination is discrimination no matter which way it goes.  It’s not any worse than the other it’s just bad all around.  It’s perceived as worse because usually it’s someone form the majority being reverse discriminated, and the majority sympathizes with their own.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Hosebeast/100002095287763 Regina Hosebeast

    They are trying to get into the top 1%! Occupy Indian Township!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJEUWEYRHIPWV3PTTWWNUZ2CTQ mcmaineacjam

    Gambling and selling water. Remeber when Mainers used to make things besides money? I wish the tribe the greatest success, but I can’t help but think that bottled water is one of the problems with this world.

  • Anonymous

    So…since the Indians are so concerned with the environment, I assume that they will NOT be bottling their water in plastic bottles. Will they be using glass or is it all about the money?

  • Anonymous

    The southern ones can’t seem to abide or allow for any competition whatsoever.  don’t worry as the sun rises they’ll try to figure a way to stop them.  On the positive side this is exactly the kind of development that we need, not just the tribe but the people of northern maine as well. We have some resources, we may as well use them

  • Anonymous

    This is what wrong to many words that sound the same have diffident meanings

  • Anonymous

    Great Idea!! Sounds like a bright future selling something we never thought any of us would pay for but Pay we do!!

  • Anonymous

    Plastic bottles are in the ocean being ground down to tiny pieces, which are then eaten by tiny creatures, which get eaten by larger creatures, all the way up the food chain until we eat the creatures at the top of the food chain. 

    We are all now part plastic.  

    Plastic bottles are derived from oil and it takes many toxic chemicals to make them, not to mention that cheap oil is becoming scarcer so the bottles will go up and up in price.  Recycling them also uses very toxic chemicals, nearly all of which gets released into the world’s water and air.  Really bad idea.

    Plastic bottles are being burned in garbage incinerators which releases poisonous dioxin into our air and water, and dioxins cause many human ills, including confused sexuality, cancer, diabetes (harms pancreas), damaged thyroid gland, etc., etc.

    If the Tribe used glass bottles which could be used again and again – as soda companies used to do – then it would be much less harmful to our woods and waters, wildlife, and human health, but they’d still be shipping their heritage – clean water – away. 

    Yes, I’m sure some people will make money at first, but the world’s economy isn’t coming back to where it was, or even where it is today.  

    Here’s my prediction:  we will not see the day that 96 Passamaquoddies are working at this bottling plant getting good pay.   Mark my words.

    An alternative?  The Passamaquoddy Tribe owns over 200,000 acres of Maine woods.  There are fewer than 5,000 members of the Passamaquoddy Tribe counting both reservations total.  That’s about 40 acres apiece. 

     With all that land, and with already-owned farms nearby, the Tribe could grow vegetables and livestock, as well as make their Native crafts and other products for sale.  People want the Tribe to do well, so many of us would shop from a Tribal Farmers’ Market. 

    Maine needs thousands more farmers just to feed ourselves.  No, farming isn’t as easy or glamorous as gambling or selling one’s own water, but it’s a sure thing in any economy since everyone has to eat – and one is feeding one’s own family at the same time. 

    That would also reduce the Tribe’s current heavy dependence on white people’s tax money for their sustenance.  If I were a Tribal member, that would be a high priority for me.  

    In difficult economic times, lots of social programs are being cut.  It behooves us all to grow some of our own food, and become as self-sufficient as possible so we’re not left cold and hungry when the next and the next Recession (on its way) hits us.

  • Anonymous

    I hope the tribe can pull this off and hire some experts to assist them on the surface it seems like an idea with legs……..Expect a move by Senator Raye next session to figure out a way for the passamquoddy tribe to get gaming once again for them. They will not rest until they get a facility that they never will get financed to build.

  • Anonymous

    What makes you think that anyone besides tribal members would work at any casino?? The tribes are some of the most racist people on the planet.

  • Anonymous

    Eunice Baughmann, name ring a bell? I knew her personally. She told Tim Love and the rest of them not to give up their sovereignty for the land claims settlement,but they did. Their greed clouded their clarity.They could have had all the casinos they wanted before that. No ones fault  but the tribes…and as you like to say over and over….a deal is a deal.  I hear Hollywood Slots is hiring though.

  • Anonymous

    Oh sh?t, I just seen jenny, ( the Gov’s wife) using the tribes credit card at Wal Mart buying christmas gifts, and driving a Passamaquoddy Blue car. Lol

  • Anonymous

    Finally some good news from Washington County. It is very rare that any good news comes from this county, so I hope the water plant succeeds.  At least Baldy is out now so he can’t block this Native American enterprise as he always did. Please use vegetable plastic bottles that decompose in landfills. Good Luck and Congratulations.

  • Anonymous

    Then how come they openly accept and embrace the white people that live and work in the reservation?

  • Anonymous

    Quoddy-Spring Water

  • Anonymous

    Tim Love says it all doesn’t it.  I also am from OT and Eunice was a very smart woman.  Didn’t she have a PhD?  I hope thei works out for them.  Nothing seems to ever work out.  Good Luck!

    Quite disgusting some of the racist comments here.  Get over it.

  • Anonymous
  • http://twitter.com/NorthernRants Bill Buck

    Good for the Tribe.  Hope they succeed.

  • http://twitter.com/NorthernRants Bill Buck

    How long before Nestle tries to crush this?

  • Anonymous

    Who cares. People, hundreds of failed businesses have bottled H20 for years and tried to market it. It takes a great business plan, great sales and marketing, great work force, and big, big capital. I great idea this is not. If they want to make anything work they need to get the “poor me” mentality out of the mindset and get to work.

  • Anonymous

    Hi Nancy, 
    Your point about farming is well taken however isn’t it just a little hypocritical to criticize others who use petroleum based resources when you yourself use so many?  When you start riding a horse to your destination, don’t avail yourself to the benefits of modern medicine, recycle your computer without buying a new one (lots of nasty chemicals go into your computer Nancy), turn off the power and phone line, well  you get the idea.  Until you forego the benefits of modern society, most of which have some part of their origins in petroleum based products, then you should hesitate to come down so hard on others.

  • Anonymous

    The people should have known how Chief Socobasin was, look at how they have treated former Gov. John Stevens, their grandfather, he is now trying to survive, struggling after they used him up. John never was re-elected due to his grand children, neither will Joe…. People seem to forget to easy, but remember when it’s convenient. Oh, $3,600.00 a week to liz, for what? Pay John that, at least he did something to earn it.

  • Anonymous

    I gotta give it up to them. 

    Selling bottle watered might the only the only business model with a better profit margin than gambling.

  • Anonymous

    The water business will trickle down to rest of tribe faster than the  Bush tax cuts for wealthy.

  • Anonymous

    Should you billed for your advertizing by the BDN ? 

  • Anonymous

    LOL

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6C7V54CGVYT3VSX2KW3LVQ22TM mary

    a water bottling business? how many times a year are we told not to drink the water from tap without boiling it for 10 minutes and that last’s for weeks to months at a time.

  • Anonymous

    A period has nothing to do with spelling……………………………………..  Da

  • Anonymous

    A period has nothing to do with spelling……………………………………..  Da

  • Anonymous

    ; ) 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YZOOEMZRSY3RFYHOEO4BYH7V7E mikoo m

    I had hoped that the tribe would build a bottling company; I do feel that the tribe can sell water overseas in large bulk containers; I was told that Dubai would trade LNG for water. Selling water may be our best chance at a viable economic industry. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YZOOEMZRSY3RFYHOEO4BYH7V7E mikoo m

    Economist are calling water the next oil!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

     No they are not Americans they are there own thing thus separate rules and laws. That aside if they can sell “tribal water” more power to them. I personally do not nor would I ever buy water but lots of folks do. Are they going to following fair hiring practices or will they only be employing form there own tribe.

  • Anonymous

    Not to mention she just clear cut 200,000 acres of woodland and swamp land, not to mention destroying deer habitat.

  • Anonymous

    Had to work to find criticism in there, didn’t you, Poison-Spraying “wild” Blueberry Grower.
    I understand it’s a fetish of yours – finding fault with me since I find fault with your spraying poisonous pesticides over all and sundry.

    Please explain how I “came down hard” on others.  By suggesting people with lots of land farm?  How is that “coming down hard” on people, unless you don’t like the idea of people, including yourself, doing actual physical work?

    As for my personal use of petroleum products – - you’ll have to look far to find someone who lives among regular people (not isolated out in the woods, although I’ve done that, too) who uses fewer petroleum products than I do. 

    This computer is 10 years old, I hang out my clothes to dry, burn wood to heat the house, only drive to town once a week in a 9-year-old no-frills, 45mpg Hyundai,  have one light on at a time, installed windows on south side of house so the house is lighted and heated by the sun during daylight hours, put a timer on electric water heater so it’s only on 1/2 hour a day, buy any needed clothes at thrift shops, use pilot-less gas stove, eat many foods as they are without cooking, have raised beds as gardens so don’t need tiller or any machinery, just hands, eat from the garden all summer or get other food from other local organic growers, do not let car sit at idle ever (30 seconds is sufficient to warm vehicle in winter), insulated house,  etc., etc. 

    Farming the way you and other agribusinesses do uses more petroleum products than any other entity on earth.  But small, diversified, organic farms use very little, if any.

    On my farm I did – with apprentices – all the work by hand.  By rotating crops every year, running the sheep, chickens, etc. in the fields in their off years, fertility was kept up and every year our yield increased.  We always get more food from our land than poison-spraying agribusinesses did from the same amount of land.

    I shouldn’t feel I have to respond to you, but wouldn’t want others to get the impression that you know what you’re talking about. 

    Happy Holidays to you.  Perhaps your New Year’s resolution could be to stop poisoning your neighbors by spraying pesticides in their air and water.  We’d all be very grateful.

  • Anonymous

    Huh?  Who are you talking about?  It’s the Passamaquoddies who own over 200,000 acres of Maine woods and waters, certainly not me. 

    Wish I did so it could be used in a sustainable manner so it would always be there for future generations’ livelihoods. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YZOOEMZRSY3RFYHOEO4BYH7V7E mikoo m

    That water you are referring to is Boyden’s Lake. The stuff that goes into that lake I would boil it to.

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