LePage: Cut welfare and MaineCare or we’ll have to cut education

Gov. Paul LePage delivers a speech recently in Portland.
Seth Koenig | BDN
Gov. Paul LePage delivers a speech recently in Portland.
Posted Nov. 09, 2011, at 7:32 p.m.
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AUGUSTA, Maine — Gov. Paul LePage told members of the Higher Education Council on Wednesday that if lawmakers do not reduce Medicaid and welfare benefits, education funding will need to be cut to bring the state budget into balance.

“Eighty percent of the budget is Medicaid and welfare and education,” he said. “If the Legislature has the political will to fix the problem, education will keep the additional $63 million we gave it.”

LePage urged the leaders of the state’s colleges and universities, public and private, to encourage their lawmakers to support his proposals to reduce Medicaid, called MaineCare in this state, and welfare spending.

He has not spelled out his proposals to address the projected $70.9 million shortfall in DHHS this budget year, but in comments to the group Wednesday he said Maine should not provide coverage through MaineCare that is greater than the national average.

“We are burning $6 [million] to $7 million more in money a month than we have budgeted,” LePage said. “We can’t continue at this rate.”

He said Maine is covering individuals at 200 percent of the federal poverty level, and suggested the state move to the national average of 133 percent. MaineCare covers a range of programs from medical care for the poor to nursing home costs for poor seniors.

“The national average of poverty right now, [including] entitlements … is 19 percent of the population,” LePage said. “In Maine, it is 27 percent of the population. We have got to fix that.”

He said he plans to propose a supplemental budget to address the DHHS shortfall by the end of the month so that lawmakers can start working on the problem in December. The governor said he wants action taken as swiftly as possible because the budget overruns continue to mount every week.

“This has to be fixed now; it can’t be allowed to continue,” LePage said.

An estimate in May by Maine Equal Justice Partners, an advocacy group for the low-income population, projected more than 12,000 Maine parents would lose MaineCare coverage under a reduction of services that would bring the state to the 133 percent level. The federal poverty level is defined as an annual income below $10,890.

The administration did not provide an estimate for the projected savings from such a move or an estimate of how many people would be affected.

Senate President Kevin Raye, R-Perry, said the governor is right when he says the state has to reduce its MaineCare costs and limit the program to available resources.

“We know the longer this drags into the new calendar year, the deeper the hole gets,” he said. “I think it is important for the Appropriations Committee to start work on this in December so hopefully we can have agreement early in January.”

House Minority Leader Rep. Emily Cain, D-Orono, agreed the DHHS budget shortfall is a serious problem but she said kicking Mainers off MaineCare will have a ripple effect on communities and families that needs to be considered carefully.

“Balancing a budget on the backs of the most vulnerable in our state is something that this Legislature has already rejected in this session in a bipartisan fashion,” she said.

Cain said it was not productive to pit one section of the budget, human services, against another part of the budget, education. She said the real solution to the problem is economic development and job creation.

“We have had an overemphasis on tax cuts for people on the more wealthy end of the spectrum and too much blame on those that are looking for work and trying to get off welfare programs,” she said.

Raye said the governor was right to point out that if MaineCare spending is not brought under control, education programs will suffer.

“That is where the money is in the state budget,” he said. “Those two items, human services and education, are by far the largest areas of the budget. I think we should take a very hard look within the DHHS budget because that is where the problem is occurring.”

But Cain said the approach to solving the budget shortfall should be broad-based and lawmakers should look at all areas of state spending and not expect the poor to bear the burden alone. She said asking college and university presidents to lobby for cutting MaineCare is just wrong.

“We need to use them for the resource they are,” she said, “not to drive an ideological agenda that is a conservative and cynical approach to social services.”

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  • Anonymous

    So Governor, maybe you shouldn’t have cut the estate tax. That redistributed money from the poor and middle income to the wealthy.

    Don’t claim there’s no money when you just cut revenues from very wealthy people.

  • StillRelaxin

    Hey folks, guess what?  He’s lying!  He’s going to cut both and we all know it.  The only question is, by how much?  Thats been the only plan he’s ever had from day one.

  • Anonymous

    This guy is toast.    He’s saying cut benefits to balance a budget, but he proposes expenditures to drug test those that do use or need them.  What he is doing is threatening people, he’s doing what he does best….bully people around, get them to act in a certain way, and claim the credit.  Nearly one third of the state’s population receives a benefit of some sort, wouldn’t you think that his focus would be on creating jobs no matter what it takes?  Instead, he threatens not only people, but towns as well (for not working with businesses).   I think the governor should be drug tested!  

    It is quite evident that this man has his own agenda, and no clue how to govern. I think it’s an executive temper tantrum because the people said no to a law he supported and signed. This man is out there, and he is representing only himself.

    I’m sure that people understand what he is saying. Do it MY way….or I’ll cut education, and it will hit your wallets. This is really quite upsetting, he is making a demand, ….not a proposal.

  • Susan Westfall

    Cut equally across the board as needed. Otherwise you will just go round and round in circles. No one wants to cut “their constituents programs” so just apply the cuts equally, everywhere. No favoritism, no special interests.

  • Anonymous

    Are we still flushing money down the Dirigo hole?  If so, that should be the first to go.

  • Anonymous

    Why do I get the impression the Mr. LePage didn’t happen to read the results of yesterday’s election? He must have thought that we were kidding. I agree with you that he is doing what he has proven over and over again that he does so well. Lie, Lie, and Lie some more.

  • http://twitter.com/TheGuardianMH The Guardian

    Oh come on, the state spends money in other places too. 

  • Anonymous

    The drug testing would not be as costly as providing welfare to allow the addicts to buy their drugs. Perhaps it is time to reform welfare. Instead of handing out money, those on welfare should be required to take jobs that are available at minimum wage. Then, subsidies could help them with housing and food. To expect welfare to take care of everyone is ridiculous and way too expensive. Those on welfare should be glad to be getting subsidies while they go out to work a full time job instead of sitting home collecting. In some areas, welfare is a way of life instead of a helping hand until things straighten out.

  • Anonymous

    That makes so much sense governor. Let’s cut from education, one of the requirements to get a decent job so you don’t need welfare. Brilliant move.

  • Anonymous

    I have an idea lets tax corporations which do not pay a living wage or offer health insurance for their employees, I am sure everyone can think of a few. Wal-mart and Mardens come to mind and there are plenty of others.  

  • Anonymous

    Haha! Eat your heart out, liberals!

  • Anonymous

    Haha! Eat your heart out, liberals!

  • Anonymous

    Hey , Governor LePage: How about looking for some cuts from the most wealthy, instead of always looking to cut on the backs of the most vulnerable and poor.   Do you know that part of the Bible (or just your conscience) that speaks of what we do for the “the least amongst us.” No, I guess you don’t get that.  However, there are those who do.

  • Anonymous

    You said it.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Penguin – how about raising some more revenue before we look at devastating cuts that will leave kids and the elderly out in the cold and compound our unemployment problem by devastating the social service industry?  Time to man up and be a leader – anybody can bully the poor and disabled, but it takes some leadership skills to actually solve problems and make hard decisions.

  • Anonymous

    He is not at all sensible, to put it mildly.

  • Anonymous

    What you aren’t getting is:   There are no jobs;  his special budget committe searching for cuts has allready targeted those programs that provide assistance with child care,   Any subsidized housing program, which is primarily a federal program,  requires the household to report any changes in income, therefore their rent would increase as does their income.   The same goes with food stamps and mainecare, if your income goes up, your benefit goes down….which leaves them ….where?    Not going forward, and having to pay for child care, or rides, or food and rent that they simply can’t afford on minimum wage. And I’ve never heard of a person who owns a Section 8 Rehab, or any other contract complain about not getting their rent.

    Threatening and bullying and blah, blah, blah…….is not the answer.   Education is.

    Drug testing is a very expensive thing. Do yourself a favor and research how much labs charge for …..say…..just marijuana. You will be suprised.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe he views himself as an autocrat.

  • Anonymous

    He will not, not, not, do anything that would impact a republican.  His special interest people tell him exactly what to do no matter how it affects the majority of this state.

  • Anonymous

    He probably thinks he is a shoe-in to be re-elected (you know, with the help of Charlie,etc.)

  • Anonymous

    I love the way this guy eliminates poverty by changing the income threshold that qualifies you as poor.  I’m sure that won’t mean much to the families who are no longer living in poverty under his definition, while their kids gone to bed cold and hungry. We are rapidly approaching the point at which rioting may be required.

  • http://twitter.com/z_gryphon Ben Hutchins

    So, let me get this straight.  He acknowledges that the percentage of Mainers who live in poverty is a great deal higher than the national average, declares that this has to be fixed… so far so good… and then explains that his idea of fixing it is just to cut back on helping those people.  Not address the problem, but make it “go away” by ignoring it.

    Outstanding.

  • Anonymous

    You want to make cuts to the Medicaid?? Fine……let it be to the damn methadone clinics, and gas mileage program! Those are the people who are abusing the system every day! Don’t cut it from the people who need mental health care, the elderly and people who genuinley need health care. And you certainly don’t need to make any more cuts to education, either!! Children are our future and you would be making a grave mistake cutting from our future! You should make cuts a little closer to home…….like your fellow politicians…….try living like the rest of us poor people!

  • Anonymous

    That doesn’t make any sense. By letting someone keep their money, you are letting them take money from the poor? Do I have it right?

  • Anonymous

    I agree Still……I think you hit the nail right smack dab on the head.

  • Anonymous

    A standard, run of the mill, easy to beat (and therefore unreliable and not worth doing) drug kit that detects marijuana use alone will run $20 a pop.  You can add $10 to that for every additional drug you want the kit to test for. Keeping in mind that it won’t detect the most commonly abused drug in in Maine – alcohol. For a lab based test, you can multiple the cost by 5. That does not include the salaries of the person administering the test and supervising the person taking it, the people processing the results, and their supervisors, the cost of the facilities (which will need to be all over the state) where this testing will take place, the salaries and benefits of the people who are going to track down and harass people who have failed or refused or no showed for test…… it won’t save a penny, but it will give the right-wingers an important victory over the poor of our State by-golly.

  • Anonymous

    What you are not getting is that the status quo is not working and welfare needs to change at all levels. Minimum wage with subsidies instead of handouts is a much better way. I saw signs in several fast food establishments for help. Yes, they are minimum wage, but with welfare reform providing the subsidies and keeping people actively working, we are sending a message that workfare and not welfare is the American way. You simply want the status quo and do not see any other way but the way that does not work.

  • Anonymous

    The fact is that Maine’s welfare payments are the lowest in the Northeast. Maine Care is approximately 75% federal funded. Those clients who are removed from Maine due to these cuts will still access medical care at emergency rooms and this will end up being paid for with both state and local money. It will also be much more costly for the taxpayer. The reason why these costs have gone up is that the economy is terrible. Wages have effectively been frozen for the past 10 years, but prices have continued to rise.

  • Tyke

    Actually everywhere drug testing has been implemented it has cost much, much more than was saved.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Raye is thinking of running for congress in 2012 and a good part of the legislature will be up for re-election. They just might need to hear from the 60%. Do you think?

  • Anonymous

    Or to put accurately, cutting the estate tax slows down the rate of redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor and middle income folks.

  • Tyke

    They studied that option and found 3 huge problems:

    1 Many small business depend on Dirigo and found either go under or have to stop offering insurance if it ended
    2 The increase in eligible medicare recipients who have been paying at good portion of their own premiums on Dirigo would be very expensive.
    2 Dirigo is the  best option they could find for implementing the new federal healthcare requirements

  • Anonymous

    education is not status quo.    Education and it’s benefits are what put us on the moon.  I’m not a person who resists change, …change is inevitiable….it’s necessary and constant.  I’m not a defender of the status quo which represent stagnation.    I am, however, a democrat who thinks it’s time to stop wishing for things to be the way they were, rather, let’s see what we can do to help all of us, businesses,  people, towns, cities, everybody.   But our governor hasn’t learned to as Senator Mitchell said “learn to agree to disagree and go forward”…..He isn’t going to either.

    What he is doing here….is holding education monies hostage . He thinks that he makes rules, and is upset because we didn’t follow them on Tuesday.

  • Anonymous

    gee..that is so dishearteing that some will have to pay thier own way.

  • Anonymous

    He is about as partisan and ideological as they come.  And he just loves the Heritage Foundation.

  • Anonymous

    Drug testing or no drug testing is not gonna stop anything. Maine has one of the lowest welfare payout. a family of 3 is allowed 485.00 a month..  lets see.. most are assisted by HUD either through a section 8 voucher or  through low income housing.. either way your portion of the rent is 30% of income…. then you have a light bill.. in public housing a family or 3-4 is spending roughly 110 a month on lights.. so this family drops to 375 then with rent  roughly 110 drops them to 265 then car insurance gas to transport their children toilet paper, laundry soap, personal care items, diapers wipes ect… How much money do you think they have left over to “”buy their drugs”"??  

    What needs to be done, is  stop the fraud. I know of a few out there that work the system as much as they can and they live better then me working… for instance they get TANF and Foodstamps.. Say the BF doesnt live with them when in reality they do.. He gets his own Foodstamps and sells them for $1 one cash for $2 foodstamps so basically he gets 240 in foodstamps and sells them for 120 cash. To me this is a big problem. Then they cry to organizations that they need this and that, there car fixed etc. guess what they get everything cuz they are a single mom and need it  BS All the while their BF is bringing in money of course under the table or illegally gotten.    Then you have the ones that get medication through mainecare, and sell that for big profits.  I don’t think cutting welfare is the best choice. I think by taking the violators off the program is a  start, a different way of using SNAP benefits to help combat the people who sell them is another start point and finally the ones who abuse Maine care in another part of it.. This would put alot more money back where it  belongs.

    With that being said though, the only one who is going to suffer will be the children. What happens to them if there parents cant provide for them??  Oh and Drug testing.. Bet you didnt know that they are only going to test the people who have prior drug convictions. Not everyone will be tested. So this still is going to leave many getting benefits who are abusers.. So what purpose does this make.  NONE!

    Now I am not saying everyone on welfare is like this , but I bet there would be a lot of shocked folks to see how many really are working the system!

  • Anonymous

    It’s really not very complicated. Estate tax revenues from 100 families a year in Maine helped cover the cost of programs for poor and middle class people but, now that the tax was cut, the money’s not there. As a result, LePage says oh my, no money, have to cut!

  • PaulNotBunyan

    I agree with the concept but the rules have to be right. I knew people years ago in California who wanted to work but food stamp rules only allowed child care expenses about half what AFDC allowed. The AFDC rules excluded the first $100 of wages per month as an incentive for people to work. The problem was that somebody with 2 kids might lose at least $50 a month in food stamps. You could figure most of the remainder went for gasoline, car pool or a bus pass. That’s not my idea of the right way to motivate and encourage people to work.

  • Anonymous

    You do know you folks got beat 60-40 last night?

  • Anonymous

    lol

  • Anonymous

    exactly…..I didn’t see our governor offering to donate his pay towards thwarting off the LIHEAP cuts like Mr. King did.    

  • Anonymous

    Estate tax isn’t necessarily on cash. Here is an example of what I mean:

    Say you have a farm somewhere in southern Maine, it is a big farm, and it has been handed down in the family for a couple hundred years. This farm isn’t anything special, but it has a lot of land, thus it is valuable. The family is able to pay property taxes because they are able to sell a decent amount of dairy products from the cows that they own, but by no means are they rich. Now say that these people pass on and hand their farm to their kids, now let us say that this farm is worth a few million dollars. Because of the estate tax they will either have to sell of all or part of the farm, just to pay the taxes, and on what exactly? The inheritance that is their families farm?

  • Anonymous

    I can picture him standing in front of a mirror, like the Al Franken character on SNL, talking to himself and at the end saying “and damn it people like me”. HA,HA,HA!!!

  • Anonymous

    That is why the rules must change. In my plan, one adult in the family must go to work and kids must go to school and meet attendance requirements. With the income from a minimum wage job, the family must put the same amount of money into housing that the average working family spends on housing percentage-wise. Then the shortfall is subsidized. The same thing happens with all other bills incurred including food. Most working families have little left over for spending and that will be the case with the subsidy plan. However, children then see a parent working. Everything is not a hand out. Kids get the idea that getting an education is important to better themselves. The entire system needs to be revamped–stop what is provided federally and what is provided by the state and municipality. Instead pool that money and require work. Logging companies hire those from outside of Maine to cut underbrush because no one here wants that kind of work. Some will not take minimum wage jobs because they lose benefits. The system is broken and no one wants to use common sense to fix it.

    People who work will feel better about themselves as long as they don’t lose out on the benefits. A helping hand and a hand out are two different things. For years, immigrants achieved the American dream through hard work and educating themselves. When did that stop—that answer is easy to figure out. Government took over and started teaching the benefit in not working or refusing to work or having excuses for not working.

    Economics tells us that for capitalism to work, someone must be unemployed. I disagree—there are jobs that need doing and skills that need to be learned. Everyone should and can be employed.

  • Anonymous

    What makes you think that everybody who receives a benefit is an addict?    You know society has degraded to the point where there is :  divorce,  teenage pregnancy, elders who have no retirement, mentally handicapped individuals who cannot do it on their own.    First of all, we owe it to the elderly,  they have paid their dues.   The mentally handicapped is just sad, and the rest is a socialital problem that won’t be repaired any time soon.

  • Anonymous

    I say more welfare, more methadone, more benefits for the shiftless lazy! Why should they work when you can sit around drinking, smoking and doing drugs all day?

  • Anonymous

    In this story he is talking about cutting Mainecare and welfare and education. In another story he is trying to make himself sound like a great guy for bringing food other people donated to Ellsworth and saying he is proud to do what he can. Unbelievable

  • Anonymous

    Why do you suppose he would have to cut spending? Is it because he wants to coddle to the rich? Or could it be because money doesn’t fall out of the sky? Tax the rich all you want, but they will only take so much before they leave the state, it happens to every state that does it; they raise taxes on the rich, the rich leave, and they have massive declines in tax revenues. You can’t just spend spend spend, that kind of behavior gets you in the mess that most of Europe finds itself in right now, and the kind of mess we are currently heading towards.

    It would be wonderful if everyone could have free education, healthcare, and guaranteed wages regardless of employment, but there are no sustainable ways to do this.

  • Anonymous

    no sense in wasting time getting an education… There’s no jobs in Maine. You don’t need to be smart to be on welfare… I say completely cut education and lets double down on welfare.  Seems its what everyone wants anyhow.    Yea… I’m being sarcastic.

  • Anonymous

    Teachers and students versus poor people.  Charming, Governor.

  • Anonymous

    What happened?  The failed Baldacci regime told me that the creative economy was going to be the route to a thriving Maine.  Maybe we should give the welfare slugs a great big steaming pile of quality of place.  That’ll fix them right up.

  • Anonymous

    Bus tickets. That’s what we need, bus tickets. Florida has nice wether this time of year.

  • Anonymous

    That’s funny…….”and .Thats SNL News….I’m Al Franken…and I don’t care. But good night all”….lol

    What’s even MORE funny, ….is…that he’s a US senator from Minnesota!!! .. that’s so right!

  • Anonymous

    when did that happen?

  • Anonymous

    Go for it.. We love it.

  • Anonymous

    I have an idea: relax health insurance regulations so that those of us on MaineCare could afford to buy our own health insurance!  In NH I could buy a policy for my family of 3 for $500 a month; I can afford that.  Here in Maine it would cost me $1500 a month for the same policy; I can’t afford that.  I bet at least 1/3 of MaineCare recipients could buy their own insurance if we were allowed to buy it from other states!  That would save millions!

  • Anonymous

    You always like to turn it back to the poor farmer. How about the rich guy who inherited a huge house and 5 milloin bucks.  Never worked a day in his life. He should not pay an inheritence tax?

  • maine 456

    Yea I dont agree with this, you can’t just cut peoples healthcare. higher education is not a requirement and dosen’t need more funding when we have people who cant afford basic healthcare.

  • Anonymous

    Democrats warned that elimination of DIRIGO would cause health care cost to go up. Republicans ignored the warning and cut it anyway.
     
    Now – SURPRISE – Mr. LePage and his administration are shocked, shocked I tell you, that they under budgeted for health care costs.
     
    Lord spare us from these right-wing ideologues.

  • Anonymous

    Why not read my entire post instead of going off on a tangent for a part of the post? In what part of my post did you see that everyone on welfare is an addict? When you don’t agree with one point at least consider the rest of the post. Did you know that in some states the welfare payments are tied to whether or not the children are in school that day. If the kids are in school, they get the check. The reason is that many of the children in that area don’t believe that education and learning matter. The social workers used school attendance to get the kids in school. Whatever works to get people from welfare to valuing their own ability to make their way in society is important.

  • maine 456

    Now we need a minority and some popcorn.

  • Anonymous

    Another example of Republican extremism.  They get in power, they transfer wealth to the rich, and they slash and burn everyone else.  Their tool is extortion–”we have to  destroy education and jobs and people’s lives, otherwise there’s no money.”

    It’s a cruel sham.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, unbelievable is right.  Unauthentic.

  • Anonymous

    He doesn’t value any of them. You know, those human beings.

  • Anonymous

    The status quo is that the rich have been getting richer while the rest of us sink.  We’ve lowered their taxes and slashed welfare for decades.  That’s the way it is and has been.

  • Anonymous

    Loopy in bondage, his hands are tied!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Davida-Willette/100000655412147 Davida Willette

    lepage is a absolute jerk. i dont TRUST NO ONE in governemt . you eliminate maincare you might as well bring in euthanasia . that is what i fear the most . anyone that has a serious medical condition will somehow put it this way legage and his croonies get to decide who lives and who dies i have gotten to the point i can trust no one the state goverment maine care the doctors and health care its sad but i DONT TRUST the system

  • Anonymous

    It’s so what to do who to why?

  • Anonymous

    Is this the same governor who told us a couple of weeks ago that there are plenty of jobs in Maine. We just have to educate people to work at them? This week it is education cuts. How does that slove any problems? How many of these jobs are sick, uneducated poeple going to fill?

  • Anonymous

    Republicans attack state employees, teachers, unions, and the poor–meanwhile they transfer wealth to the rich.  Helping the rich does not help the rest of us.  They buy mansions in France, factories in China, or just hoard gold bullion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TESS4LTERD7SDYZ6JF2FBGI6C4 Nnnnn Nnnn

    maine loves welfare…so long education!

  • Anonymous

    Cut from the top.

  • Anonymous

    Could someone  please tell us what the actual Maine state dollar savings vs. federal dollars lost would be, and what percentage of the budget in terms of general fund dollars would be saved, if “welfare” and Medicaid were cut to a level that would appease Gov. LePage?  This story did not contain that information… and that information is needed before responsibly publishing it – i.e., this story should not have been run without that information.  Where are the BDN editors?  Shame on you and on Mal Leary, who should know better…  Without that information, this is not a news story but just another political sound bite.

  • Anonymous

    What destroyed the healthy economy of this country is greed and corruption at the top, involving vast transfers of money to the ultra-rich.  It is well documented in the book, “Winner Take All Politics.”

    As for welfare, Clinton destroyed it (AFDC) during his Presidency.  Really helped out, huh?

  • Anonymous

    We’ve been cutting taxes for the rich for decades.  It hasn’t helped us. They’ve quadrupled their income, the rest of us sink or stagnate.  It’s well-detailed in the book, “Winner Take All Politics.”

    Your argument is that we have to accept extortion because we have no other choice. That’s far too simplistic.

  • Anonymous

    take care of the orphans and widows (and those with the least)

    The state needs jobs.

  • Anonymous

    ….slashed welfare for decades??? Any graphs I have seen show welfare spending going up at a staggering rate for the past 20 years. Are we missing something here?

  • Anonymous

    i agree with the gov let the truly disabled die from lack of health care, old war vets psssh they dont contribute anymore let them work or die… /end sarcasm
    seriously we need a real unbiased way to fix the issues. i know a woman who worked 40+ years at crap jobs with unapreciative children who now has a deabilitating autoimune disease who barely qualifies for medical assistance but without it within 1 year she will either be dead or unable to even care for herself. are these the people who should be punished? how about the single mom who is workign at a   trying to raise her children and barely able to heat her home?
    the problem is users they need to be tracked down and booted to the curb. its harsh but let them suffer as it is there choice. help those who have busted there butts and are unable to help themselves any longer and those who are really trying. i havent seen a raise in nearly 4 years and can barely affoard a car payment but i would rather my tax dollars go help those in real need.

  • Rosemarie Betit

    gambler, it doesn’t work that way. If a person who is on welfare excepts a minimum wage job they often lose any help. It doesn’t take too much to make ” too much” to qualify for assistance. It’s a catch 22.

  • Anonymous

    I get that a lot, take the job you can get.. I’d rather work 60hrs a week, at a low wage job, than be sucking off the states teet. I have more self respect than that, and I was raised to not take handouts. struggle through, and get ahead.. then when you get ahead, help out those beside you.. that’s what a community is all about… somewhere along the lines we have all lost sight of that. call it greed, or whatever you want. I expect that the person I am supplying benefits to is going to use those benefits to feed, clothe, and house, themselves, and there families.. not to go out drinking, and doing drugs… I think the premis is wrong, and dis-tatseful to think about… but what are we to do? what’s the alternative? I’m all ears for something that will work. I agree we should lower our “standards” for welfare benefits to the national standard.. keeping in mind that we are in Maine, and the winters are bitterly cold.. and there are a lot of soup kitchens & food pantrys running dry.. It’s happening all over the country. and sad to say maine is not the first to shake it up and try something different.. we always tend to follow suit of those that go before us.. try something different lepage.. you can’t run the state like a buisness… it does’nt work that way… use some creative thinking..

  • Anonymous

    Divide and conquer, right Lepage?

  • Anonymous

    I would appreciate seeing some statistics.  How many Mainers are on welfare?  And what does ‘welfare’ mean?  I really don’t know.  Is it a certain amount a week?  Is it a livable amount?  

    The elderly, disabled and children need to be given the help they need to live a basic quality of life – roof over head, heat and food.  Somehow these people must not see this lifeline cut.  There is SO MUCH MONEY in this country, it boggles the mind that our people must suffer so.  Why can’t we close some overseas military bases?  We have over 750!  Why do we have to be an Empire?  The answer to that is because the Oligarchy wants their money and they want it protected by our military.

    There is a revolution coming.

  • Anonymous

    Mainers are fortunate to have a governor who has the courage to address the tough issues that previous Maine politicians have been unwilling to tackle!  Maine’s government needs to refocus on how to improve the lives of working, middle-class Mainers–and how to encourage the unworking poor to get off of welfare and take personal responsibility for themselves.

  • Anonymous

    For example, Clinton destroyed welfare, known as AFDC.  Where has it taken us?  We don’t even have nationalized healthcare, like all other democracies in the world.

    There is virtually no middle class left in this country.  Big corporations are paying zero taxes and moving factories to China.  The rich have quadrupled their income.  Even if we doubled their taxes, they would still be making twice what they did when all Americans moved forward together.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X6WTHVP3BMVVSNCI2K7KGYY3DY Ben

    Florida made drug testing mandatory for all temporary cash assistance applicants. What happened? 98% of applicants passed the test, and the cost of the testing will likely be greater than any savings from payments not handed out. http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2011/aug/24/3/welfare-drug-testing-yields-2-percent-positive-res-ar-252458/

    Drug testing has nothing to do with saving money. It’s just a way for conservatives to feel morally superior while kicking people who are already down. 

  • Anonymous

    This message is for all of the wealthy people who have declared residency in states that offer reduced taxes and return to Maine for the summer months: You have contributed to Maine’s decline, leaving the elderly (often poor, often women) and the unemployed and underemployed to foot the bill for Maine.  Many of you have been leaders in your communities and have now chosen to take the low road to protect your ASSets.  Congratulations.

  • PaulNotBunyan

    I agree that everyone can and should be employed (of course allowing for disabilities). Keep in mind that some of these people are automatically excluded by many employers because they have felony convictions. Those employers don’t really care if a person has been drug and alcohol free for the last 20 years. Things have changed a lot since my younger days. I remember working in factories with people who had actually done a few years state prison time. They were getting good enough wages and benefits to take care of themselves and a family. Some people looked down on them but not all of us. I figured that they did their time and long as they didn’t mess up again they deserved to get back into society. The employment situation for convicted felons isn’t like that anymore but the prosecutors seem to be more zealous.

  • Anonymous

    Kudos on being able to afford an extra 500 per month!

  • kcjonez

    Do you really believe that 150,000,000 people are lazy more than that 400 people are greedy?  

  • Anonymous

    Former President Clinton   has said that since he left office and begain earning money again, his income went “considerably up”,  yet THAT man wonders why his tax burden decreased?   And no, he and Hillary file seperately.      Mark Zuckerberg from Facebook says “I think if you make more money, you should be treated the same, every body pays their share, if you make more, then you pay more”    Now how is it that this former president and this young successful man came to this conclusion?.     It’s because they were both poor when they were being raised!  They are no longer poor because…..they went to SCHOOL!

  • Anonymous

    I’ll tell you the problem, When I was a child, I went to school in a big city, the building was big and old and ugly, we had maybe 40 to 45 kids and one teacher, used books and a black board, and you know what, we did great, not every one, but most of us, just as it is today, except, you can’t teach a kid in and old drafty building, and make them sit down with some used books, today all has to be new and bright, and computers, computer ports built into the hitech desk and then you can’t put little kids and the middle school kids in the same place, let alone add the high school children, no, we need to build them all different schools. Folks it is out of control, and that is why my tax bill says right on it that 80% of this bill is going to the school system. Now welfare Hire staff to research each client and give them only what they need, and then cap it at 3 years, you need to find employment before the 3 yrs is up.

  • Anonymous

    “No favoritism, no special interests.”
    Does that include plugging up tax expenditures for corporate special interests?
    Maine spends more on tax expenditures than state programs.

    “Study: Tax breaks exceed state spending”
    http://bangordailynews.com/2010/11/15/politics/study-tax-expenditures-exceed-state-spending/

  • Anonymous

    Well, you wont have to wait too long……
    Perhaps you didnt hear about the new healthcare law that was just passed last year, LD 1333.
    You’ll be able to shop for health insurance across state lines in the North East (except Vermont).
    So, if the grass is so much greener on the otherside, feel free to do so.
    Whither or not all this supposed “choice and competion” will result in quality savings,
    we’ll have to wait and see.

  • Anonymous

    How about we take the budget cuts where they really count, from his friggin paycheck,. How much is he making to sit there and judge how people live on welfare, if it’s TANF, or foodstamps, still, and what about the people who have kids and these programs help them take care of them? the ones who aren’t addicts i mean,. God, this stupid state is getting worse, first theres no jobs, then hes trying to take the welfare away, what’s left? Is he going to sweep through maine stripping everyone of everything they possibly have just so he can feel better about “making a change” screw him. He seriously needs to take a better look at maine, the people in it, and not just at DHHS. How about the messed up teachers in the system teaching kids? Yes, education is one thing, but i’ve seen multiple people have an amazing education, and because theres NO JOBS IN MAINE, and its hard to find any anywhere else, they can’t put it to use, and then they’re trapped miserably because they’re so in debt from their student loans that they can’t pay off because they can’t find work from there lovely expensive education… This is a horrid man. Telling you. O_O

  • Anonymous

    Still think his pay is what should be getting cut. 

  • Anonymous

    Yep, Classic divide and conquer strategy.

  • Anonymous

    How many baby’s can you get inoculated, through head start, through school and into college for just one……wall street bail out?     You people talk of welfare, but there are many, many corporations that benefit at astronomical amounts from  tax payer generosity.  And after receiving such benefits?….they declare it’s fair to give their senior managment staffs their bonuses.         And you are upset about a $114.34 in food stamps?? (I just made that number up ….btw. I don’t get food stamps . And I’m not stereotyping those that do…you gotta do what you gotta do. Ask any of the airlines that we bailed out

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OADNDNS4ODSZZS7FE72OSFETBI Wright-oW

    OH NO DON’T CUT EDUCATION!  HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO LEARN HOW TO FILL OUT THE PAPER WORK TO COLLECT WELFARE?

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure if those numbers could be actual numbers, they would be estimates at best.   And I’m not in any mood to “appease” this governor.   He thinks that he is the king and we are his fiefdom  where his rule is the rule of the land.       I agree with you regarding Mal Leary…..he knows better than that.  Mal’s a great guy and all, but he’s not painting the total picture is he?

  • Anonymous

    OK….well….let’s tax Christmas Trees!…   what’s next?   deer that are shot?,  fish that we catch?  or maybe even diapers that are thrown away?   But no way in hell is he going to tap into the corporate bank book.

  • PaulNotBunyan

    Isn’t it those ultra-rich who are profiting the most from these trade agreements? I don’t notice either of the 2 major political parties putting the brakes on it. I do want the people in other countries to have a better life but sometimes it seems that trading with these countries isn’t much better than trading with a farm that uses slave labor. So it’s a lot like dealing with somebody who is holding people hostage. On top of that, I feel like we are paying many of these foreign companies to ruin our atmosphere and our seas by buying their goods. We made some good progress here in areas like environment, job safety and worker health but it gets nullified when we trade with countries that have lower standards. Are we improving the world with this type of “globalization”? I doubt it.

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t they cut the money they send to the people already getting there medical for free plus their mileage.  they would save a bunch there.  Quit paying for all the traveling expenses that goes out to those that have consumers, adopted children and foster children.  They are already getting paid enough on a monthly basis to not have to double dip.  Even the social workers are overpaid and some don’t even do their jobs.  Just saying

  • A W

    So, ‘fearless leader’..what would you advise the person who is:
     A single parent of an autistic spectrum child, WITH an education beyond high school, who works full time in a Maine school  (oh wait..didn’t you want to cut funding there?); who receives no other (insert SSI etc. here) income because said child isn’t disabled “enough” to qualify; and has to access the ‘system’ in order to provide the NECESSITIES of life?  
    Note: necessities do NOT include cable tv, 4g cell phones with internet, or shopping at places like the Aeropostale store..
    Will you provide what this parent needs to improve their education (making them more appealing to employers?),  in a time when there are already people with degrees working jobs at places like fast food restaurants that used to be the stepping stones for our young people?  

    This problem is not just within Maine, it’s in almost every state in this country. While saying you want to run it like a business is a great sound byte; the reality is that without a broader and more stable economic base that encourages money to be made and spent in Maine, it’s not going to get better. ( And if you were thinking of telling this single parent to get another job..it would simply mean someone else would call the ‘state’ on them for not taking care of their child which would result in access the ‘system’ in a far less positive way..)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q4AP5EYCYRCGZGIJGWI6TLIUEA Tom

    I had a dream last night that me and Governor LePage split a hit of windowpane and he got really super-happy and laughed so hard that he split his trousers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    So, as well as not understand what the caps lock button is, you don’t think we should educate people? You do know that education is the number one way to get off welfare right? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    Many many people who receive aid work full time jobs.  Full time minimum wage is $16,000 a year. Take a minute and think about that. Imagine one person trying to raise a child on $16,000 a year. A minimum of 10,000 of that goes to housing, that leaves just about $500 a month for food, clothing, and transportation for two people. Let alone if the child has any kind of medical visit. One trip to the hospital could cost that family 5 years salary. That is why that family needs food stamps and medial care until that child is 18.  Also, if you don’t want people on welfare then education is by far the best way to prevent it. 

  • Anonymous

    In your first response to my post.     you mentioned ” the drug testing would not be be as costly as providing welfare to allow drug addicts to buy their drug”      I think I’m reading your post quite well   ….    thanks.     You said it!,   I didn’t!

    And I am assuming that ..well you didn’t really mean ALL benefit receipients, but just those that use drugs. And now, according to all of your post, just how do you propose “weed”ing out those that use drugs and those that don’t? Tangents are commonplace in opinions, and you just had one. I do not mean to be disrespectful towards you, but I do mean to make my point as well.

  • A W

    Didn’t he take a pay cut when he was elected..down to 70k from what he was making at Mardens….(SunJournal excerpt: Demeritt also noted the governor’s $70,000 annual salary is the lowest among all states’ chief executives. According to a 2009 analysis by the Council of State Governments, the average governor’s salary is $131,000.)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MLD4PUC2FDBZG3UWLM6KFTEBBM Mrs_O

     On top of the cost that Florida is now realizing is far out weighing the benefit, the people that are coming up positive are contesting the results – guess who pays to prosecute and represent these people? The taxpayers. 

  • PaulNotBunyan

    I think you meant to reply to somebody else here. My comment doesn’t fit the context at all. Anyway, corporations are needed for some things but they really need to be regulated. I’ve run into several smaller ones that have about a nickel in tangible assets for every share of stock they claim is worth a dollar. Some of these people tell me that you just need to raise a certain amount of capital and hand it over to the right people. They’ll get you elevated to the status of a publicly traded corporation and you can raise tens of millions after that. I tend to believe that because I’ve been paid a few times to evaluate the equipment being auctioned when these companies fail a few years later. That’s the view I’ve had and it makes me wonder what agencies like the SEC have been doing. Maybe we need to reconsider the way we tax them but we definitely need to change the way we regulate them. Otherwise, the money gets lost before we get a chance to tax it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MLD4PUC2FDBZG3UWLM6KFTEBBM Mrs_O

     Wouldn’t it make sense to only give full welfare benefits to those truly incapable of working – not drug addicts, alcoholics or mental issues that can be controlled with medication – and instead of saying to a single parent “hey, we are going to give you food stamps, mainecare, TANF, and section 8 as long as you don’t make any money – BUT, if you get a job at McDonald’s making minimum wage, we are going to take it all away”, maybe we should be asking our government to ENCOURAGE people to work instead of making them dependent on our welfare system. 

    Our system should supplement incomes, not make up their entirety and our system shouldn’t penalize those that actually are more than willing to work. It’s sad that the state has backed some single parents and people with mild disabilities into not being able to afford to work! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MLD4PUC2FDBZG3UWLM6KFTEBBM Mrs_O

    You are right gambler – minimum wage with subsidies IS what we need. Unfortunately, our welfare system doesn’t work that way. Our system tells people that they can either sit at home and collect to meet all their bills or they can go to work and have all their help taken away and no longer be able to cover their bills. Hmmm, can’t imagine why one would be more appealing than the other.

  • Anonymous

    So…..according to your plan…you are educating the children by requiring their parent work; in a job, that is at or below minimum wage (waitress) …and  then doing the same thing that is allready a requisite from most programs, which is income reporting.      So, what you are saying is what is allready in place.. What you are essentially saying is show the child something and make the parent work their butt off, for next to nothing so the company can make alot of money, and therefore hire other’s to do the same thing.

    I find your last paragraph interesting.   If economist think this, they obviously didn’t anticipate company’s moving to cheap labor friendly (or even non-friendly, they don’t care _ countries, nor did they anticipate robotics and computerized plant assembly. And then ship the product back to us for sale A foreign worker, nor does a robot pay one penny in taxes, they don’t buy a house, they don’t buy groceries.

    You must have taken a different economics class than I …because I do remember my class as : raw materials…production…sales based on cost.     Maybe I’m wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Democrats warned that elimination of DIRIGO would cause health care cost to go up. Republicans ignored the warning and cut it anyway. 

    Now – SURPRISE – Mr. LePage and his administration are shocked, shocked I tell you, that they under budgeted for health care costs. 

    Lord spare us from these right-wing ideologues.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MLD4PUC2FDBZG3UWLM6KFTEBBM Mrs_O

    I do agree that something has to give with the methadone clinics and they should NOT be getting gas mileage for coming in to take it! There is a need for a methadone program (I certainly would rather pay a little more in my taxes and have them go to the clinic than break into my house to steal everything I own to sell for drug money), but it has become such a cash cow for clinics that they don’t want to ever wean people off it and when clients ask to be weaned, they are given a million reasons why they can’t be – despite being told on the day they entered into the program that it is a 2 year program.

    I worked at Acadia for 9 years and had 2 family members in the program – one was made to join the methadone program by her boss at Acadia because he found out she had snorted a pill at a party. She was told it was either the Methadone program or get fired. I do not condone her taking someone else’s prescription, but I also don’t think her boss should have had the right to make her join the clinic for what she claims (and there was no proof otherwise as she always came to work on time and sober) was an isolated incident. 

    6 months later she found out she was pregnant and demanded to be removed from the program and they told her that the baby could possibly have defects or die in utero from her being weaned off. Instead, her son was born a drug addict and spent months in the NICU. Immediately after having him she again said she wanted out of the program and they told her she wasn’t ready and that they would not wean her off. She told them she would just stop cold turkey and they told her that she was risking a stroke, heart attack, seizure and/or death. Because the Acadia clinic refused to wean her down, she went home and stopped on her own.  She spent 2 weeks detoxing at home and the first couple days were awful, but 8 years later is still clean.

    All because Methadone is such a money maker for clinics.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly !!!   Mrs O.    It’s a self perpetuating,  great big swamp of a social circle that the only way out…..is, ironically…..education.

  • Anonymous

    That happens in every state of the country.   It’s in the US constitution that you are entitled to be judged by your peers.      If a person is poor, it doesn’t mean that they don’t have the same rights.  What it means is that the legal system as it works now,  needs to get paid.    Abraham Linocln often represented people who would pay him a “hen or two”…..imagine that today?

  • Anonymous

    Drug tests weed out drug addicts as well as information regarding past brushes with the law. If employers can require drug tests, then welfare may be viewed as a job. When someone passes even if they had been addicted, then tying the welfare “payment” should be contingent upon the passing of subsequent unannounced drug tests similar to those given to people on probation for drug offenses.

    You don’t want the drug testing for welfare recipients. I mentioned that drug testing is one means of taking away welfare from those who don’t deserve to be on the dole.

    Your comment was what makes me think everyone who receives benefits is an addict—I never said that. Comprehension is paramount to good discourse.

  • Anonymous

    The key word is reform—welfare is a system in need of reform. The system as it is today is wasteful and not productive. If we keep doing what we are doing, then we will keep getting what we are getting—a system that is too expensive and never leads  recipients away from welfare to work fare. The problem is that no one wants to take the initiative to change the system.

  • Anonymous

    hahahaha…….”by-golly”?…….         jeeeez Sheriff  Andy….can I have my bullet back?     thanks Bangorian.   for your support… I appreciate it.   Gomer and Goober do as well!  :O) Sorry, I’m probably dating myself………Andy Griffith Show, late 1960′s….Barney Fife?… Oh what the hell I grew up on Johnny Cash, The Beatles, Sonny James, and The Doors….my mom was so cool!

    But she also said, like the hippie she always was, don’t ever compromise your principles, because those belong to you……

  • Anonymous

    If this system were in place, then welfare would be working to put people in jobs. Are you saying that welfare recipients should not work their asses off in front of their kids is a bad thing? Isn’t having a good work ethic a good thing? Should those of us fortunate enough to have good jobs who also work our butts off continue to allow others to sit around and collect. Getting back to work is the answer. When parents have a work ethic, kids will see the importance of getting an education whether at a college or trade/technical school in order to have a better income. We don’t subsidize, we have laws in place to hurt those willing to take those minimum wage jobs. The system needs reform.

    You are correct our educations don’t seem to have anything in common. Your view of economics seems somewhat simplistic. Democratic capitalism is just a tad more complex. Perhaps the next discourse should include unions and government regulations sending manufacturing out of the USA. Then tariff laws were changed first with NAFTA giving free trade amongst North American companies and other tariff laws almost being abandoned allowing the imbalance of trade with the US being on the short end taking more than selling abroad. However, this article was to be about cuts in welfare and healthcare rather than making cuts in education spending. Trade agreements and the problems compounded by unions and corporations going where the manufacturing is easy—well, that is another story.

    As for your problem with hard work—that is one argument for not enforcing current federal immigration laws: no one in America will do the jobs that illegals do. And, that is strange because there are plenty of folks in need of jobs. But, with the system now in place for welfare, who would take those jobs?  Why not sit around and complain and refuse work because, as you pointed out,  the work is too hard and we can’t expect hard work, could we?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G7TM2WWUSPPTO2SNDBEXTLHSRQ Confucius

    He’s known for going off on his tangents

  • Anonymous

    No, he should not pay an inheritance tax. When someone amasses money through hard work and investments, his property and money has already been taxed. Why should those who inherit that estate be required to pay taxes on it again? Whatever I have worked for and invested for my future and the future of my family has already been picked over by the federal government and the state government through income taxes. I worked hard, I saved, I took chances and invested and paid taxes on those dividends, yet, along comes the government and wants to take from me and give it to someone else. Why should my family get picked over again?  Do you realize that someday someone will be robbing your children to give it to someone else’s family? Government must learn to live on a budget like the person who built that huge house and managed to earn five million bucks—and not take it from the estate.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G7TM2WWUSPPTO2SNDBEXTLHSRQ Confucius

    Excellen post, best one on here!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G7TM2WWUSPPTO2SNDBEXTLHSRQ Confucius

    No, he meant to reply to you.  He does not follow posts very well and rambles on about nothing in particular.

  • Anonymous

    But I don’t understand…you’re saying that if employers (the people whom you want the welfare receipents to work for) require and use them, then the State of Maine should use them to determine if a person is addicted?.   An unannoucned drug test isn’t going to happen,  would you want one?   There’s this little thing called a “warrant” for search.  It’s a protected right under the US constitution, and is located in the Bill of Rights.   Just because you are poor doesn’t mean that your constitutional rights can be violated.

    Your comment was inclusive and rude.   If you choose to change your comment, and it’s connotation,,, the I would suggest that you do so in a post. 

    It’s quite clear what you meant and where you were going with it..  As in your own word conprehension (understanding) is paramount (which means it comes first_ to good discourse (which is latin…for running to and from)

    Seems to me that you : understand  what comes first, but you have said what you have said and are running from it…….   It’s all good .       You are entitled to your opinion, agree to disagree then go forward.

    “comprenhension is paramount for good discourse”…….is a military term. It’s a civil war term that was used for : ” I thought about it and figured that it’s best to retreat.

    I’m not shitting on you, ……..but it is what it means PEACE. let’s all just live. And I’m confident that your intentions were not those.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G7TM2WWUSPPTO2SNDBEXTLHSRQ Confucius

    Why?  It’s his family supporting him, not the government.  The money has already been taxed.  Quit being so jealous.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G7TM2WWUSPPTO2SNDBEXTLHSRQ Confucius

    I didn’t see you offering to donate your pay either

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G7TM2WWUSPPTO2SNDBEXTLHSRQ Confucius

    No, it’s called retiring to a warmer place for 8 to 10 months out of the year.  It’s only fair they pay more taxes in those states.  Envy is not always a good thing, you know?
    These people worked hard for there money and can enjoy retirement anywhere they choose.

  • Anonymous

    instead of cutting welfare and other budgets that are needed, have all forms of govemtn pay there own medical insrunace, cut back on there dress code why do they need to wear suit coats, ties, dress shoes, dresses and  so on to jsut sit around and talk all day about new rules and bills to pass….    they aslo don’t need to spending money on bottled water, fancy meals and much more……

  • Anonymous

    LePage has certainly taken some swipes at education in Maine this week.  First, dumping on teachers and blaming them for any and all shortfalls in their classrooms…and now this.  Shortfalls in the budget?  I suggest that he start looking at some broad-based solutions instead of delivering another “doom-and-gloom” message and going immediately going after education with a hatchet.  Yaknow…I was just starting to change my opinion of this guy a little…he seemed to be keeping his head down, KEEPING HIS MOUTH SHUT, and doing his job.  That was until this week, when he thought that orally body-slamming educators in Maine was a good idea.  I’ve said it once…I’ll say it again…Mr. LePage, you want to enjoy your time in The Blaine House.  It’s limited.-jg

  • Moose

    Cut the welfare and how about all the teachers aides that towns are getting the state and federal money for. If you become a teacher then take the good with the bad. You are only there how many months a year??

  • Moose

    What the differents to keep my job I have too drug test for my class A  lincense and I pay taxes to help support the welfare. So i say cut them if they are using the money for for the wrong things.

  • Anonymous

    You support Roxanne Quimby wanting to do with her land as she wishes but yet have a problem with what the rich do with THEIR own money. If it benefits you its fine, otherwise its wrong. Typical liberal hypocrisy.

  • Anonymous

    WHAT are you talking about, take the good with the bad?!??  I know plenty of teachers who have to buy supplies for their classes WITH THEIR OWN MONEY.  Does that sound like taking the good with the bad to you?  You are obviously one of those folks who thinks that teachers get out at 3 p.m., put their feet up, and that’s the end of the day.  WRONG.  And now, LePage is threatening to cut education???  Brilliant.-jg

  • Anonymous

    Raise the minimum wage and people wouldn’t need welfare. A huge percentage of the “dead beats” on welfare go to work everyday, they just do not make enough to get by without help from the tax payers. The explosion of under employment is the single biggest problem facing our social services programs today. Make all the excuses that you like, but no one can live on $7.50 an hour in 2011 America without a lot of help. Big corporate America is the biggest abuser of welfare. The Waltons are sitting on $30 billion and not once have they thanked the tax payer for all their help. End corporate welfare abuse, raise the minimum wage. 

  • yowsayowsa1

     Only the liberals have missed that part.

    Read on……………….

  • poormaniac

    Be reminded that the Democrats have been in control in Augusta for ” decades ” prior to Lepage’s election. Slashing and spending should be blamed on them .

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life

    Do you ever read what you write before you hit the “post” button?

  • Anonymous

    my next door neighbor, an elderly woman who worked all her life and now lives alone in poverty will be glad to hear you think she is a liberal, and that she should eat her heart out.

  • poormaniac

    You statement ” education is what put us on the moon ” is accurate.  If you remember the era so well , remember that schools concentrated on the 3 “R’s” and schools only sponsored 3 sports choices, you’ll agree tha spending for education has gotten out of control. You’ll also remember that only a handful of beatniks smoked pot.

  • yowsayowsa1

    “I worked hard, I saved, I took chances and invested”

     These are words that liberals can’t or won’t comprehend in todays society.

     They would rather babble on about the evil corporations and the sinfull profits made by the literal application of those words.

     Ya can’t make em happy and ya can’t reason with em, so you might just as well just pee em off.

  • poormaniac

    Friend of Bill’s ?

  • poormaniac

    That sounds like a 2% savings to me.

  • yowsayowsa1

    Rah Rah Rah!

    Go liberals!

  • poormaniac

    Please quote your sources.

  • Anonymous

    Well here we go.   This was his ultimate goal wasn’t it, the goal of all good GOP doggies, cut services to those most in need.  In a way I’m surprised he waited this long.

  • Anonymous

    If minimum wage was a living wage former recipients would not require subsidies.  Ditto for those who need assistance but do not qualify.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G7TM2WWUSPPTO2SNDBEXTLHSRQ Confucius

    He never does, some are so incoherent, you have to shake your head.

  • Anonymous

    But the druggies DO break into houses NOW. I know of people who get “take-home” doses of methadone, and believe me, they aren’t taking it! They are selling it. All this program is, is the government enabling the drug addict to remain a drug addict. Since they’re not being weaned off, then the program is NOT doing what it “set” out to do.

  • Anonymous

    Did you?

  • Anonymous

    My gripe about education is that there is a ridiculous amount of money being spent on outrageously fancy schools rather than on the actual education. Fund the schools but not things such as teacher salaries, computers, and lab materials.  Why are teachers buying paper out of their own pocket while a slew of new $40,000,000 to $60,000,000 schools are being built?

  • poormaniac

    Agreed ,both major political parties are to blame. They all benefit financially from those elected positions while the citizens of this country suffer.  Check out http://www.insidejobfilm.com.

  • Anonymous

    Bottom line is this state has very little money. It’s manufacturing revenue is declining every year and tourism “just aint gonna cut it”.  Folks, Maine cannot afford to fund all these programs.

  • Anonymous

    Your problem is that a large percentage of welfare recipients, given that Maine is the “oldest state in the nation”, may be incapable of many kinds of work.  People in their 70′s and up just living, waiting to die.  Then, of course, there’s the issue of getting TO work if you don’t have a car, etc., etc.  LePage is out.  He’s cut taxes for millionaires and their Estates (I’d say thank you, but I think it was a bad idea).  Now he needs to find that lost money elsewhere. 

  • poormaniac

    Wait a minute , you’re saying that when I leave my modest home, that I worked hard all my life to pay off, to my family they should pay the state for it. I have been poor or middle class all my life and I resent your thinking !

  • Anonymous

    And the top tax rate for the mega wealthy was approaching 90%.  And they still lived in obscene luxury.  Now it’s less than half that, schools are failiing, people will go cold this winter, kids won’t have breakfast.  But spending millions testing aid recipients for drugs will be justified.  Get a grip. 

  • Anonymous

    THE OLDEST STATE IN THE NATION.  Sure, put the 65 to 80 year olds to work so the Retired Bangor Fire Chief (54yo) and other government retirees can be supported for another 40 years.

  • Anonymous

    In reading this i hear alot about minimum wages which i personally don’t believe in.  alternatively what I believe in is a living wage and if most employers paid that, then most people who are now in the system would probably not be on  it  because they could afford to pay for all the stuff they can’t afford now, the result would be more taxes paid in because of higher wages and less demand on the system resulting in savings. Some may argue that higher wages would lead to inflation.  I find that inflation is high enough as it now.  But I do believe that a living wage would result in more people reentering the work force, more people paying in and less people living off the system. 

  • Anonymous

    Very funny VC. Let’s assume that you work hard, invest wisely, and leave your children a million dollars or more when you pass on, and that I also work hard, but squander my earnings on toys, trips abroad, etc., and leave my children nothing. Should your estate be re-taxed one last time as it flows down to your children so that my children, who got nothing, can benefit from that?  I  don’t think so myself, but then again, I don’t have  any ill feelings towards people smart enough to do well in life, or, for that matter, those fortunate enough to be their heirs.

  • poormaniac

    There are many areas in school systems tha can be cut , for example some sports programs.

  • Anonymous

    Cut MaineCare….and I am not talking about the Maine people who truly need it.  I am talking out all the fraud.  people who live better than most Mainers have all the extra’s cell phones, cable, nice cars, etc…and are on MaineCare and Welfare getting a free ride, even two people in a household getting free handouts.  DHHS has to get out there in the field and see this and then actually do something about it….like stop it.  It’s out there so do something about it instead of sitting behind your desk and believing everyone that applies on an application..

  • poormaniac

    When the governor makes as much as Mr. King does then maybe you can criticise.

  • Anonymous

    Never, ever tell a Liberal that we don’t have the money to pay for a program or programs, and that tough decisions have to be made.  Kick the can down the road or whatever, but the last thing they want to hear is the truth. Many of these postings prove that out.

  • poormaniac

    Didn’t president Obama just cut the heating budget ? Who’s leaving whom out in the cold. You appear to be so blinded by political party loyalty that you don’t see all the facts as they are. Nothing new from you !

  • Anonymous

    I know about the new law…but with the limited choices of where we can shop I have my doubts about it actually making things better.  I’m trying to be optimistic but we’ll have to wait and see.

  • poormaniac

    Again you twist or miss the facts. The federal government under the eye of president Obama has set the poverty level  not Mr. Lepage ! Plears re read the article !

  • Anonymous

    Does the national average of 133% account for the fact that many poor people also have to heat their homes? Considering that federal funding for heating assistance is due to be reduced this year, I believe the figures that the governor uses to justify these cuts are skewed. Fraud and abuse are not the main problem. Systemic un and under employment is the main problem. Instead of throwing people out of the lifeboat, perhaps the governor can help find some more oars. 

  • Anonymous

    He wants support from the college admins, etc. to take money away from another part of the budget.Classic divide and conquer.GET RID of half the school admins and Lauren LePage.GET RID of the special ed boondoggle which costs us all billions.That is where you save real money.Take the $63M away and level fund education.Raise the estate tax (won’t happen ).Don’t let the elderly freeze.

  • Anonymous

    Just google it…Michigan did it for about a month in 1999 and they had the same results as Florida. Very, very few people tested positive and it didn’t save any money. After a month, a Federal judge ruled it unconstitutional. 

  • Anonymous

    My company drug tested EVERYBODY-down to the part time overnight stocker who operated no machinery and had no customer contact.They paid $215 per test.Nice racket.I always wondered if there wasn’t a kickback involved.I wouldn’t doubt it one bit.

  • Anonymous

    Education about not getting pregant  was taught in the schools since the 1960′s that I can swear to.  Not doing drugs since the 1970′s. So apparently education isn’t helping. Maybe parents should take back the responsibility of raising their kids and keeping a shorter leash on them and if thats too much for them then they need to start paying for their grandchildren.
     

  • Anonymous

    And that’s the way it will continue.
    Even if the taxes are lowered, they still pay more than you.
    Where do you get the slash welfare for decades? Maine’s has been higher than the surrounding states, which makes it an appealing destination for those who would like to live off the system.
    Soon we will be known as an unfriendly destination unless you want to work and prosper. The whining on here only shows that we are going in the right direction. 

  • Anonymous

    2000 hrs/year at $7.25 is $14,500(a full time job at minimum).LePage wants to cut off benefits at $14,084 simply because he’s not allowed to go any lower.I am in favor of drug testing welfare recipients much like DUI offenders have to pay $100/month for their interlocks.It ‘s impossible to live on the poverty level-and the poorest of the poor numbers have gotten much bigger.I haven’t seen a help wanted sign but two businesses in my town have closed just this month.

  • Anonymous

    Like the R a couple of years ago who said “bring a chicken to the doctor?”

  • Anonymous

    all they have to do is put the land under a conservation easement.  Once the land is no longer eligible for subdivision and development its value is dramatically lower.   Also, most smart farmers that want to pass their farm on to their kids would sell it to them at a deep discount while they are still alive.

  • Anonymous

    Would that be because wages have been going down for the last 20 years?
    Of course CEO pay has been going up .

  • Anonymous

    When you are starving to death the sacred cow can feed a larger number than the scrawny dog.

  • Anonymous

    Your babies are already all provided a free high school education, and all have the option of getting a job and earning their way through college, just like the rest of us did. College is not, and will not be our responsibility. Now if your “babies” or you, choose to spend their free education years stoned or knocked up, and did not take it seriously, who’s fault is that? Does that mean that those of us who had ambition and chose to make something of ourselves are required to provide for you or your’s for the rest of our lives? We have our own families to provide for.
    Example, heating assistance is being cut by 50% according to the news. In the same story, it said that 40% of recipients are elderly or disabled…so, perfect. No cuts needed for the elderly or disabled, and that still leaves another 10% for anyone who needs a little emergency boost. Other than that, what did these people do with their “earned income credit” tax returns? Obviously they didn’t use it to prepare for winter. Winter seems to come every single year without fail. I had to save and prepare, why didn’t they? 

  • Anonymous

    You do mean Stephen King,not Angus King,correct?

  • Anonymous

    Why not stop funding school sports? Is that required to get an education? If you want your kid to play sports, then you pay for the uniforms, equipment, bus rides and fuel to get there.

  • Anonymous

    The hospitals will be glad to hear that people are going to be shifted from Mainecare to emergency room coverage.   They will still get medical care and the money will still come from somewhere.

  • Shiretowner

    This guy just makes my head explode. Do you think he makes this stuff up himself, or does he have speech writers who make it up for him? Cut  assistance to the poor or cut education to keep them poor. The 2 areas we can’t afford to cut are being told to basically go at each other until one of them loses. My brother and his wife both work, have 3 kids (blended family), he is in the guard and has served over in Afghanistan, and they still have to use MaineCare because they still can’t make ends meet on the minimum wage and private health insurance costs more than they have. Losing MaineCare for them would mean the kids have no health care. 

    One of their children is also someone who benefits from the special education program available through the schools. Without the program my nephew would be a wreck, because of his autism and adhd he needs a very different type of classroom experience than your ‘average’ school child. The people who work with him and make sure he and his classmates have a smooth educational experience without feeling like a stigma do an amazing job. Cutting education for that would set my nephew back to the proverbial stone age without those classroom supports.

    Yep, needless to say I think this guy annoys me.

     For all of you who put this Amazing Super Special guy into office – I hope you are content. 

  • Anonymous

    We have way too many police riding around babysitting people to make sure they don”t put unapproved substances in their body.  I wish we could slash our prohibition budget by at least 50%.  It’s funny how that sacred cow is never touched.

  • Shiretowner

    Too bad it won’t just be the unEMPLOYED poor who get sucker punched by either of these cuts. Go ahead, address tough issues- just do so in a fair minded way that actually benefits Maine state, not just the privileged few.

  • Anonymous

    And then the business would close because they can’t compete while paying their workers such a high wage. Thank your unions for artificially inflating wages, causing higher manufacturing costs, causing higher retail costs, and on down the chain. The cost of living would not be so high and people could live comfortably on less, and we could compete in a global market.
    The unions had their place years ago when working conditions and safety were an issue. Today with OSHA and other work place monitors, they have out lived their usefulness. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EBGSNRYAW7SCCYO5MWW7QYZMZ4 ramon

    The cost of welfare is going up because more and more people are falling into poverty, no or low paying jobs, (because all the good jobs have been outsourced) high health care cost, and an increased cost of living.

  • Anonymous

    Slashed welfare for decades?  what uninformed world do you live in. Yes,we as a society    have a  moral obligation to take care of those who cannot help themselves.  Can you honestly look in the mirror and state there is no welfare fraud?  If employers can pay and require random drug testing , why should I , a taxpayer (and employer) not be satisfied that druggies aren’t using  our tax dollars to feed their habits rather than feed theeir kids? There is not enough money in this state  to continue as we have for too many years.  The anti business policies of this state have driven jobs away. Rather than  play the blame game, tell me how if you were  running this state what you would do to turn this ship around.

  • Anonymous

    Funny but didn’t he have enough money for a big tax break not too long ago? and then used the lack of money to go after the state employees pension? The republican plan, tax break for the 1% and cut spending that helps the rest of us. We’re still paying off the deficit created by the Raygun tax cuts, while the tax rates on the 1% have dropped drastically. Taxes support society, so does a sense of fairness. People on welfare did not cause the recession. People on Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security did not cause it either, or schools. It was caused by the fraulent actions of banks, realators, mortgage financial companies who were given the green light by republican deregulation. The lack of jobs in this country was created by the corporate greed for profits, given the green light by the politicians they support. Corporations that also pay zero taxes. zero.

    What the politicians here are doing is dividing the people, putting one against the other, creating hate among us, the 99% who are getting the shaft so we won’t be able to focus on what the real problem is, the greed of the 1%.

  • Shiretowner

    If LePage would write down some of these ideas he has and try selling them on the US Fiction market he might actually make money closer to what King does- I know I could use a good romantic comedy/horror/sci fi blend story to read these days.

    Plus he is an elected(lol, not by me), public figure- we get to criticize when he does crazy whacky messed up things; it’s our prerogative.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UNJKQW2MDGWI7B5HTW26EOLYY4 Christopher

    Please give  the politicians in Augusta a pay cut they need one, poor work performance means a cut in pay, at least where I work no raise if you can’t perform!

  • Anonymous

    He is not toast.
    He is doing exactly what many of us want him to do.
    If people don’t wish to take responsibility for themselves and their children, then we will force you to. Example, If you can’t even afford two children, why do you have four?
    It seems that this state and this country can only support so many people, and we seem to have moved well beyond that. Are we going to continue until we are like Africa?

  • Shiretowner

    that was pretty eloquent..

    I disagree with the concept, but very prettily put =P

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UNJKQW2MDGWI7B5HTW26EOLYY4 Christopher

    If the state pays. The recently told the Hospital it may reduce reimbursement even more to about 73 % of the listed Medicare rate set by the federal government. This is going to happen to all healthcare providers. The state will once again, and still owe money to the people who provide healthcare to those in an emergency.

  • Anonymous

    Real classy how you blame children for their own problems.  And then in the next part, you admit people are going to shiver through the winter, but you blame them for it.

    Meanwhile, the wealthy in this country are richer than they ever have been before, doing it by taking from the rest of us.  But you don’t care about that.  If anyone shows any sign of failure, you attack them, while ignoring the corruption at the top of the financial food chain.

  • Anonymous

    After reading this I had all I could do not to laugh.. It took me personally almost 5 years to find a job and I even applied at fast food joints.. and even the local library who informed me I was over qualified and would not even offer me a job interview.. I finally got a job part time and was offered health care benefits at almost $200 every two weeks.. hmmm that would leave me with $140 every two weeks to pay my bills.. Well I couldn’t afford that so I turned to DHHS for MaineCare help and I was denied cause I made to much working part time.. So I mean there are people out there who do try to work and better themselves and we get the short end of the stick.. while others would rather sit at home do nothing do drugs and collect from the state.. I believe if you do the drug testing and random prescription checks it would get those individuals who either sell their drugs or do them inappropriately off of MaineCare and show them that they need to start providing for themselves.. then Maine would save a ton of money and the budget wouldn’t be so bad..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_77PPY2GHJERXL74KODFG5AEXKE Rick

    Uh Duh, If you cut education you will get more people on welfare! Kinda seems counter productive doesn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    In 2008, Wall Street destroyed the American dream.  Every state in the Union, including Maine but also Texas, Alaska, etc, took a huge hit.

  • Anonymous

    How about cutting  LePlague….???

  • Anonymous

    You think we’re going in the right direction, when 19,000 people die a year because they can’t afford a doctor?  You think we’re going in the right direction when record numbers of people are going to shiver through the winter without fuel?

    You blame them, don’t you, all those sad little sufferers?  It’s all their fault, isn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    Free? As in paid for by everyones taxes kind of free?

  • Anonymous

    when our king in washington blames the 1% for all of our problems and divides the population, thats politics. the dems pull this —- and its ok. but when a rebub says anything close to the truth, its nasty incompetent, rich, trying to screw the poor.

    sounds like germany just before the world war. create a scapegoat and blame all our problems on the few.

    our government is out of control and the dems are continuing to blame the few, instead of accepting the truth.

  • Anonymous

    Again, Clinton destroyed welfare in this country, AFDC, which had been in effect since the mid 60′s.  It was a huge slash to social welfare programs.  Are you denying that? 

    Also, taxes for the rich have gone down from 70% all the way to 30% or lower now.  Warren Buffet points out that many of the rich only pay 15% on much of their income.

    All this slashing and cutting–just what Republicans love–has been going on for decades–and only the rich have truly benefited.

      Everyone in Canada has welfare, why don’t they have a big fraud problem, like you claim we have here? 

  • Anonymous

    Welfare recipients cannot sit at home. They have to work 40 hours a week, unless they have special circumstances with a child. 

  • Anonymous

    What you’re not getting is the cost of living is higher here than in other areas in comparison.  If you live almost anywhere else in the U.S., you have the option of not heating, not cooling.  Here, just let ‘em freeze.  It’s also very rural, where there are less jobs.  Maybe we should just force all recipients to move to downtown areas where they can be readily drug tested and watched to make sure they can’t work.  Maine is also the oldest State in the nation, so I’d surmise that many recipients are aged and unable to work.  Let’s cut them off too.  Let them eat cake.

  • Anonymous

    This man should of stayed at Mardins, what are the prople in Nursing homes suppose to do get up and go to work, they have all ready  worked and paid in, Maine needs jobs also needs a different gov.

  • Anonymous

    Ranting the party line won’t cut it in Maine.  We take care of those that can’t take care of themselves.  Right wingers missed THAT part.

  • Anonymous

    There are plenty of countries with strong unions that have a better standard of living than we do.  If unions are so bad, how come the people in these countries are doing so well?

    Do you want the American people to become peons, like in China?

  • Anonymous

    150 MILLION people? Where do you get that number? Yes there are many more than 400 greedy people.

  • Anonymous

    The right fights sex education in schools, remember?  You can’t have it both ways.

  • Anonymous

    my first question is why is she a single parent?

    i would then suggest that see visit her church and ask for help for her friends and neighbors. ask how she could help others in similar situations, and maybe by working together a small group of similar people could combine their efforts and support the group.

  • Anonymous

    Cut the waste in education. Start with the $9,000,000 gift to the Maine Maritime Academy for aggressively recruited jocks from out of state which make up 1/2 of the student body. This sports and spa playground needs to be privitized.

  • Anonymous

    Medicaid should be ran more like an HMO with prior auths needed for certain things and cut back on the “not medically necessary” items like cosmetic surgery. 

  • Anonymous

    Your argument:  one rich person is doing something good with their money, and so SpruceDweller is a hypocrite.

    Counterargument:  Just because one rich person is doing something I like, it doesn’t mean the majority of them are acting ethically.

    Therefore, your logic is faulty.  Typical Republican bending reality to be what they want it to be.

  • Anonymous

    80 % of the budget is welfare and education. ending all other costs may allow the welfare to continue for a short time, but then the system collapses. then what?

  • Anonymous

    My very right wing father started questioning why all these politicos retire multi millionaires.  I know of one ex Bangor employee that has a million dollar shack in another State and a helluva bank account.  Why is that?  Baldacci into a sweet “retirement” do nothing position.  Jock has millions.  Oly has millions.  Anguish came in and left with millions.  Is there a pattern here? 

  • Anonymous

    The estate tax doesn’t affect people like you or me. It applies only to very wealthy people.

  • Anonymous

    You want to create a huge police state that tests tens of thousands of people to weed out a very small percentage, less that 2%, that abuse drugs.  It’s inefficient, it’s costly, and it is ignoring the real problem:  the greed and corruption of the government-corporate alliance.

    Republican leaders try to get people to hate the poor, so they don’t focus on the corruption at the top.

  • Anonymous

    The problem is there are  two sets of government priorities in Penguin land. One for the rich and one for the poor.  A government that will stop at nothing to prop up the well to do and  then fund that policy on the backs of the weak and vulnerable, in the name of the common good.  When someone has the temerity to point this out and complain; this is offered up as an example of “liberal hypocrisy.”  In ante bellum America many years ago both major political parties in New England, Maine included, widely excoriated those 3 or 4 million Africans Americans being held in chattel slavery.  It was widely held slavery was the fault of the slaves because they were black and racially inferior, and slavery was a boon for them, because thats all they were good for.  The Boston Pilot proclaimed Negroes  possessed the same virtues as hounds, fidelity and obedience, and slavery was their natural state.  Government, business, church leaders, all readily bought into this comforting theory of white supremecy.  Times and circumstances change. Pernicious policy is always a possibilty. Just look around if you are in any doubt.

  • Anonymous

    What is wrong with this guy?! We have just been through the worst recession in HISTORY, of course there are more people on welfare! Not to mention, that Maine didn’t exactly have a booming economy before the recession. Many people that were receiving unemployment, no longer are and have had no other choice but to apply for welfare. 
    Sure, cutting welfare will save the state some money…but it will not solve the problems!  In fact, it will just create more problems. What these people need are skills and jobs, and not minimum wage! 

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think he’s doing what the majority of Maine people want him to do.  Sure, cut the slackers from the welfare rolls.  Fine with me.  But Maine costs more to live here than the “average” state.  Rural, heating, fuel costs, etc.  Ya.  I think he’s probably toast. He didn’t manage to allow the out of State promoters of “restrict the vote” to win on question 1, now, did he? I think you’ll find the average Mainer is more intelligent than their governator.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you.  And I particularly disturbed about how the wealthy continue to build factories in China and how we are manipulated so that we pretty much have to buy things made in China.

  • Anonymous

    There are jobs in this country.  My company has 3 jobs open, unfortunately they are labor positions and the people that are applying aren’t worth $4.00 an hour.  The work ethic in this country has been destroyed by the entitlement that the government has given them.  Employers should not have to compete against unemployment income.  20 years ago, a 40 hour work week did not exist.  You can’t have the American Dream off 40 hours.  These “poor” low class people have the same opportunities as all of us.  WORK!  WORK A LOT!  Mow lawns, rake leafs, make doughnuts at Labrees Bakery!  They love people with strong work ethics and often times when deserved, give out a lot of over time.

     I laugh when I see these people crying on facebook about how poor they are and how the state can’t cut funding and they need insurance.  HMMM, they are on facebook, which requires a cellphone or computer and internet service, they have pictures new cars, their boyfriends have cars, they have 3 kids at the age of 21, they drink, they smoke.  But for some reason they can’t afford to feed their children themselves.  The abuse needs to stop so that the people that actually need the services can get it, like the elderly. 

  • Anonymous

    imagine one person making sound decisions and not having children they cant afford to raise. imagine if everyone were responsible, working, and paying taxes.

  • Anonymous

    The guv does his number work: kids and the indigent (many are one and the same) either cannot or do not vote in great numbers; angry people do, and he’s good at keeping the anger at a fever pitch.

  • ladybaroque

    Does this guy know how to do anything other than threaten???

  • Anonymous

    Actually, no.  There are many, many protections and methodolgies for protecting the family farm, small business planning, etc.  Last year, 3,400 “Estates” in the U.S. paid federal Estate Tax.  Maine has jumped the exemption to $2,000,000.00.  Which is somewhat fair, but probably unnecessary.  You are floating a false canard that the far right wants you to keep parroting.  It’s an outright lie. 

  • Anonymous

    dont you think it would be good for the whole state to accept the truth and work towards a real solution?

  • Anonymous

    A proper level of state-funded support for those truly in need is a proper thing within society.  However,  the State of Maine is in one of the top ten easiest states to get great benefits from if you personally choose not to work.  People move from out-of -state to collect unemployment for months and months, get all the subsidies, health insurance, etc. to the point it is not worth it for them to go to work each morning.  I know of people who won’t take a $21/hr job because their standard of living would decline.  That is not ‘right’.   In addition,  I know of women who have intentionally become pregnant so they can collect more $$ from the state.  Really.  What kind of life will these children lead going forward?

    Once the state-provided benefits for those that choose to abuse the system come in line with the rest of the nation (or lower) three things will happen 1) our state government’s financial picture improves and 2) people actually go to work in the jobs currently available and our unemployment rate drops, and 3) the historical culture that values a days pay for an honest days work  may return to the Great State of Maine.

  • Anonymous

    Uh Duh, that’s what he’s trying not to do.  Trying to cut welfare so as not to cut education.

  • Anonymous

    Why not just cut to the chase?

    Everyone gets 1,000 calories per day, and a full time job.

    Everyone, except for the owners and their offspring.  They are on a different plan.

    If people choose to squander their calories on base metabolism, so be it.  If they were ambitious instead of shiftless, they could have used those calories for heating oil, medication(s), and education.

  • Anonymous

    What is fair, though?  In order to make meaningful spending reductions in our government, you have to start with the biggest programs, which LePage is doing.  You could double the income tax rate on the wealthiest Mainers, and it still wouldn’t make a significant difference in solving the problem.  We have simply committed too much to too many people, and now it’s finally starting to become obvious to everyone.

  • Anonymous

    If you think Maine is the reason that this country (and most westernized nations) has such disparate distribution of resources, then you’re thinking like a teen-aged kid that believes they are at the center of the universe.

    When will it be understood that this is a systemic condition–nearly universal, and that putting any twit in the Blaine House (past, present or future) is not going to change any drops in this s*it hole bucket that greed and corporate policy has put us in?

    “When will they ever learn”

    (apologies to PP&M)

  • Anonymous

    Hard work isn’t the issue.  The issue is that the current system we live in is extremely cruel and unfair, much worse than in all other democratic countries.  In all other countries, if you or your child is sick, you can see a doctor and have an affordable bill–not here.

    You can work extremely hard in American, two or three jobs, and still not have health insurance or enough to pay for the basics.  Hard work is not rewarded in this country anymore.

    Only the rich have been getting ahead for the last couple of decades.  The middle class has worked its backside off, and it has sunk.  The poor have worked extremely hard, and they have sunk.

    We’re all sinking except the ultra-rich.  It is simple statistics.  A lot of these rich people just inherit their money and don’t work hard at all.  Less than half of millionaires are self-made. 

    It’s called corruption and inequality and freedom for the wealthy while the rest of us work like slaves and still fail.

  • Anonymous

    works for obama and the rest of the dems

  • Anonymous

    Self righteousness may be  comforting to self righteous people, but it does little to solve a problem. It only insulates the self righteous.

  • Anonymous

    At your wages, you surely would still qualify.

  • Anonymous

    You have to know what you’re talking about before you post.  And you clearly don’t.  There is a purpose to the Federal Estate Tax that goes back centuries.  There are also many, many ways to avoid the Estate Tax through proper planning.  Farms and small businesses have a plethora of ways to plan to avoid estate taxation and pass wealth on to family under the Statutes and rules.  Once again, you float a false canard and listen to too much hate radio.  While the very, very, very wealthy giggle about it. 

  • newportres

    Really?
    Who are these rich people in Maine that you would take the money we need from?

  • Anonymous

    Basically you’re saying the rich can be lazy if they want, but the rest of us have to work extremely hard all our lives, and we still will fail, or just get by.

    If that’s the country you want to live in, you should move to a 3rd world dictatorship.

  • Anonymous

    Your poor children can get a dual $5,000,000.00 exemption, yielding $10,000,000.00 in exemptions from Federal Estate tax.  Poor kids can’t live on that? 

  • Anonymous

    i am a single mother and i work at a job where i make slightly over minium wage. not because i want to but because there are no other jobs in my area, like you said there are no jobs. i only make between 6-700.00 a month and can barely make ends meet. thankfully i dont have to pay rent or have a morgage. i am not against drug testing but thats not the answer either. i agree totally with you there needs to be more effort put forth by the state to help create jobs, not cutting programs.

  • newportres

    They do have a fraud problem much like we have.  If you knew many in Canada you would know that.

  • Anonymous

    Hopefully the people he targets will be the ones who are self employed that alter their tax returns to qualify.  I personally know of some that do this.  One has a brand new truck, camper and kids have cars, they are not poor but have Maine Care.

  • Anonymous

    Not to mention that big pharma makes, distributes and sells the materials that would be used (bought by the State) for the program

    Payola….take the bennies before the next election cycle

  • Anonymous

    God forbid children and teenagers be responsible for themselves.  I hope you didn’t have children.  This is the exact reason why our country is imploding.  Did you read what you wrote?  The wealthy are rich because they have good businesses.  When you go to McDonalds nobody is pulling the money out of your wallet.  When you charge on your credit card, nobody is forcing you to sign your name, when you fly in a plane nobody has a gun to your head(hopefully), when you buy a new GM vehicle they didn’t make you.  Quit blaming business.  You want to talk corruption, take a look into the DHHS.  That is corruption. 

  • newportres

    If we spend $100 to test a welfare person for drugs and then we cancel benefits to that person because they are on drugs we now do not pay that person $10,000 that year.  That one person just paid for 99 other tests.
    Are you claiming we will not catch more than 1 out of 100?

  • Anonymous

    Let’s start with the people flying their lear jets into MDI:

    http://bangordailynews.com/2011/08/28/business/maines-rockefeller-country-home-values-make-the-rich-richer/

    They are getting much richer right now, during the Great Recession, by the way.

  • Anonymous

    “For example, Clinton destroyed welfare, known as AFDC.  Where has it
    taken us?  We don’t even have nationalized healthcare, like all other
    democracies in the world.”

    The United States of America is not a democracy, it is a republic.

  • Anonymous

    $100 dollars for in-depth blood work?   You’re joking, right?  We have to hire people to run the tests, and there’s law suits to deal with if any of the people we hire misuse their power or accidentally do harm to a patient.  There’s the insurance that has to be paid to cover malpractice issues.  There’s all the time and money wasted while people on welfare–who have to work, by the way–leave their job or training for the tests.

  • Anonymous

    The Governor gives the plain facts of the case with its obvious choices and the BDN immediately gets Cain’s take on this knowing they are stirring poop. Just another daily attack on our Governor.

  • Anonymous

    ….so again I state, “what welfare has been slashed” over the past few decades? It has ballooned out of control to the point that it is not sustainable by the last few administrations. LePage is making very tough and unpopular decisions; the same kind of decisions I have been forced into making with my 8 employee business (wage freezes, cost sharing on our health care, no OT, etc…). We have choices between not beeing in business in another year or hunkering down and riding out this train wreck of an economy. We all can share some of the blame on greedy spending habits that brought us to this point; tough times call for tough decision making. Thank you LePage for making those tough decisions.

  • Anonymous

    Give it a rest.  That is the lamest, oldest, most ridiculous comment.  Republican leaders call the US a democracy all the time.  Reagan and Bush and everyone else uses the term.   Why don’t you try dealing with the issues instead of hiding from them?

  • Anonymous

    Big Corporations pay zero taxes.  Wall Street destroyed the economy in 2008.  There is a corrupt government-corporate alliance.  The wealthy transfer jobs and capital to China, a godless dictatorship, all the time.

    Wake up.

  • Shiretowner

    You are right, Maine has overextended itself while also not doing enough to get the needy the help they need. Everyone here complains about how blind everyone is to the truth, yet few see that most of the poor don’t ENJOY being poor. Yes I acknowledge there are a few who abuse the system. The fact is Maine as a whole is no longer a producer state for consumers to take root  in, let alone thrive. Sure there are thriving parts of Maine, but those thriving parts aren’t enough to sustain the parts that aren’t doing as well- that’s where things go wrong.

    Price gouging on all kinds of levels occur “north of Bangor.” Gas and food prices are remarkably high in the area I grew up in compared to where I live now – yet that area is dying off because there are no jobs that provide long term gainful employment to meet the cost demands. How is such a high cost of living justifiable? Where I currently live the cost of living is balanced by a decent wage. We pay at least 25cents less for gas per gallon than my family ‘back home,’  about 30cents less for heating oil, and a good dollar less on some food items.  The cost of transporting these goods to that area doesn’t qualify for such extreme price differences, yet those people have to make due cause no one speaks up for them. Yep, I am ranting. I will stop now.

    As the saying goes, treat the problems – not the symptoms.

  • Shiretowner

    Yep I do. However, I do not believe cutting aid or cutting education are the answers to the extremes Mr LePage is promising.

  • Anonymous

    Do Canadians want to give up their healthcare, because they have some fraud?

    The answer is no.  No other country wants the American system.  They are all on welfare, and they all like it.

    Did you know two Wall Street bankers were just convicted of fraud, involving the suffering of tens of millions of Americans?

  • Shiretowner

    An issue we agree on. Who knew?

  • Anonymous

    $100 dollars for in-depth blood work?   You’re joking, right?  We have to hire medical people to run the tests, and there’s law suits to deal with if
    any of the people we hire misuse their power or accidentally do harm to a patient.  There’s the insurance that has to be paid to cover malpractice issues.  There’s all the time and money wasted while people on welfare–who have to work, by the way–leave their job or training for the tests.

    And that’s just the start. Add two new layers of bureaucracy, minimum.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53SUAK66YBJ4TRSCVHNXFKER7A mildred

    where is this company i will apply

  • Anonymous

    “The wealthy transfer jobs and capital to China, a godless dictatorship, all the time.”

    Called NAFTA. Corporations are paid to take their businesses to other countries by US taxes.

  • Anonymous

    FYI – It’s a common myth that people who didn’t work can collect unemployment insurance.   People who quit jobs or chose not to work aren’t eligible in any state.  And… a person who did not work in Maine cannot collect Maine unemployment insurance – the unemployment insurance benefits will continue to be paid by the state in which they were employed and it has no effect whatsoever on Maine’s economy.  Additionally Maine’s benefits are definitely not better than receiving a F/T wage of $21/hr… not even close.  TANF is only available to families with children at a maximum of $150/month. Mainecare is provided to low income people/families who have no means to be insured under their employer and does not exist simply for unemployed people.  And finally the amount of money it takes to raise a child by far exceeds any amount the State of Maine or any state can provide.  If you’ve got friends who get pregnant because they think they will get more money from the state than from a job these people aren’t very intelligent and you need to find new friends.  It takes much more than just money to raise a child and people who do it just for the money probably aren’t capable of caring for a child.

    I agree with you that there are people who abuse the system but I don’t think the lower level abuse is quite as bad as you’ve been led to believe.   I also think you have been mislead about the economy and it isn’t true that jobs are readily available to all who want them. As for the unemployment rate, well that drops as people run out of benefits and are no longer counted in the unemployed.  Your thoughts are well intended and really quite sweet but they are somewhat naive about the State’s financial picture. I think if you look deep enough you will find that the biggest abuse of state and government money comes from government officials, political return of favors via wasteful spending.  They waste more money than any citizen can and until you cure corruption and political greed there will be little (if any) improvement to the State of Maine’s financial position even after cutting back public assistance, education, police and fire, etc… Any money saved by cutting back on these programs is just going to end up being spent on pet projects of the corporate and wealthy political donors that our highest elected officials “owe” their election to.  Nice thoughts, but not really realistic.

  • Anonymous

    Actually that is not true, People very much want to get back to work, You don’t live rich on welfare, I don’t know were you get your facts? People want to work, entitlements do get taken advantage of, but its a very small percentage. 

  • Anonymous

    They they don’t know what they are talking about. 

  • Shiretowner

    Why does her marital status matter in the equation? Widow, divorced, boyfriend was a jerk and ditched her 3 kids later- none of it matters, yeef. 

    What if she doesn’t attend church? What if her nearest neighbor is a mile down the road?What if she is new to the area and doesn’t have many friends, or time for that matter, to network with? As a single mom working a job with kids time is a precious commodity. SO many speculative what’ifs.. They won’t change the fact that a child will lose out in both areas if LePage cuts either issues mentioned.

  • Anonymous

    Nobody in DC ever mentions repealing NAFTA to bring jobs back to the US.

    Or the draconian laws that have driven family farmers under and allow foods to come into the US from other countries with no environmental laws. Countries that fertilize their vegetables with human manure end up on our tables. Then the towns that were supported by small family farmers end up as ghost towns.

    Occupy Wall Street.

  • Anonymous

    well if the business climate is so bad, why and how is it that you still have a business, maybe because you pay sub standard wages and no insurance?

  • Anonymous

    I think you made a profound statement right there!. 

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    It is not the businesses fault!  Wake up.  GE doesn’t pay any taxes, march over there right in Bangor and tell all of those people that have AWESOME jobs and benefits that it isn’t fair, that they will lose their jobs because GE doesn’t have to be in Maine or America.  Their employees pay income taxes, their shareholders pay income taxes.  Without them, we would be screwed. 

  • Shiretowner

    If he weren’t so bad at what he is doing fewer people would be annoyed with him.

  • Anonymous

    Raise taxes you fool! The vast majority of Mainers and Americans will gladly pay a little bit more to get us out of this hole, which, by the way, George Bush and the Republicans handed to us. It was all created during the previous 8 years. Lies, wars, tax breaks for the rich, deregulation of the banking industry. This isn’t any liberal “spin.” These are the facts. It is history.  And the Republicans are resisting everything that could get this country moving forward. They have no plan; nothing constructive. Just the same old bull shit that has never worked.

    Tuesday’s election was a resounding rejection of the right wing, radical agenda across this country. I say, “bring on the next election, baby!”

  • Anonymous

    I have defended freedom and Democratic capitalism and you are telling me to move to a dictatorship in a third world country. The rich either earned or inherited; the rest need to work to get where they want to be. I work hard as do many others and I am not complaining about my ability to work hare and get where I want to be financially. Perhaps, you need to visit that third world dictatorship in order to realize that you like the freedom to decide your own fate.

  • Anonymous

    It’s in the playbook. From the 14 points of fascism.

    3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

  • Anonymous

    Worse than that! He’s a bully, and a very dim bulb at that!

  • Anonymous

    Wow I feel sorry for your kids, Sports and after school programs can be very beneficial to students. If you want you the road you drive on plowed, stop having the government do it and pay it your self. 

  • Anonymous

    It is the rules of economics. Even the oldest rules we live under from the dark ages. Wealth MUST be redistributed. It is what keeps society running. Weather you like it or not. There must be flow of wealth to keep a healthy economy. When a man dies there is a will dividing up the estate. Traditionally all get something from the highest to the lowest. Generally a big chunk is left intact to the main heir. It is what keeps the world going.

    These days of finances where real wealth and paper wealth are hoarded and only paper wealth are distributed with the heirs represents a breakdown of that system.We have moved into an age of wealth protectionism. There needs to be changes somwhere. Thus taxes instead of willing participation in society. 

  • Anonymous

    Not mention law suit if there is a false positive. 

  • Anonymous

    Welfare fraud is not the fault of people who receive it. That problem should be addressed to those who are to blame. Seems like a pretty simple solution to a problem. But not here in the US. Victims are the problem with the right wing.

  • http://twitter.com/NorthernRants Bill Buck

    Did BDN fire all their photographers?  They continue to use this Stock Photo over and over again

  • Anonymous

    9 out of 10 business fail. 

  • Shiretowner

    If people would quit needing to be babysat maybe they could cut back on these expenses. Until idiots stop being idiots we are going to need babysitters.

  • Anonymous

    Bravo!

  • Anonymous

    Look at Sicko , the movie. Even conservatives  in Canada thing that everybody has the right to health care. 

    The meme that taxes should only go to the military industrial complex is not selling anymore . …our govt. cannot hide the fact that the wars are not for protection. They are for stealing resources from other parts of the world.

  • Shiretowner

    Could you give me a link that you used as a reference for your percentage figure? I would like to see the budget statistic break downs for myself.

  • Anonymous

    barney frank’s fanny mae and freddie mac ruined the economy
    Do you know what they were Spruce?

  • Anonymous

    With his t-bagger ideas and caustic attitude, what will happen if they succeed is widespread violence. There is no other alternative for those who are desperate and without hope. And, nationally, violence will erupt as well. With attitudes such as the Republican party and their t-bagger fools demonstrate – so anti the middle class – the flames of violent revolution are being fanned.

  • Anonymous

    If businesses cannot survive without poverty wages, we ought to take a very long look at our entire lineup of economic assumptions. The sort of casino capitalism we’ve been subjected to in the past three decades needs major revamping if  it is to provide the greatest good for the greatest number. If it cannot make corrections in that direction it will come down at one point or another and it probablywon’t be pretty. Corrections won’t take original thought: for starters, after learning the Golden Rule, the basis for all compassionate religions worth the name, serious people might learn from the wisdom of Adam Smith (the patron saint of capitalists), John Stuart Mill, John Maynard Keynes all of whom have had something valuable to say about the need for capitalists to do more than pretend to be civilized.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with this comment, and what I think is that DHHS should set up a program in which people can get a reward for turning in those that abuse the system. Kinda similar to the report poaching hotline. I do know there are some out there that receive a very hefty amount and both husband and wife work and bring home home good money but as stated they state they don’t live with each other so they both receive huge foodstamp benefits plus receive mainecare. They can buy big 52 inch TVs, pay for the most expensive Satellite package, plus go extravagant shopping. These are the type of recipients that need to be busted. People definitely would be shocked with those they know who do abuse the system in this case. I also believe drug-testing will not solve the problem. Instead setup a cash reward system for whistleblowers!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    nafta= george mitchell and bill clinton if I remember right

  • newportres

    OK let’s start with these non-residents.
    How do you propose to take enough money from them to pay for all of your state welfare handouts and still keep them coming here?

  • Anonymous

    I believe Lapage is right in trying to cut the welfare budget.  Look around you.  Over the years I have worked as many as three to four jobs to pay my bills with no insurance if I had gotten sick. Today people lay around on their lazy butts sucking up State funded money and women keep popping out kids to raise their income.  The State has made it too easy to collect these benefits and it’s time they cut them off.  I get sick of hearing there are no jobs to be had. Bull, the farmers have to hire  foreigners as the locals won’t work.  I know a kid in his 30′s who can weld but chooses to hob knob, raking leaves because he has an attitude about having to take orders from a boss.  He could set up a business at home welding,  if he wasn’t so lazy.  There are many jobs out there.  No,  they don’t pay much and you might have to work more then one job to survive but many people have done it before, so these lazy oafs can do it now and save the tax payers some money.  And while I’m at it a good cut would be to stop funding Methadone clinics for these very people that I just mentioned.  The old saying, when the going gets tough, the tough gets going so I say let them get going, or go without.

  • Anonymous

    Something’s got to give.

  • Anonymous

    Tough choices will have to be addressed and will certainly annoy some. Stick around you may learn something.

  • Anonymous

    All he needs to do is eliminate the $150 million in tax ‘rebates’ he gave to his rich supports and the budget would be balanced.

  • newportres

    Stick to one point if you please.
    “They are all on welfare, and they all like it”
    The above quote from you is not true at all.  They are all on welfare and many of them like it as long as they don’t have to wait too long in line for critical treatment might be more appropriate.
    The Rich in Canada still have many more options when the going gets tough than the poor do.

  • Anonymous

    $5.20/ gallon of gas in Montreal funds their healthcare…you want that?

  • Anonymous

    Exactly!!! Not that difficult to spot the problem is it?

  • Anonymous

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, he’s looking more and more like a mafia boss fat cat everyday.  And acting like one, too.

  • Anonymous

    public university presidents should be asked to significantly cut the fat at their institutions as well.  maineopengov.org reveals the salaries of the multiple layers of administrators and higher paid faculty throughout the system.  do a scan of a high paid engineering professors at umaine, then go to umaine.edu and look up his or her teaching schedule this semester or next- you’ll often find many of them teach only 1-3 courses max. course they will argue – “but i oversee grad students, research, etc.” – and then they are paid additional compensation in the summers from the grants that typically pay for the grad students and the research – someone like habib dagher who is high 3 figure salary likely gets 3 full months additional in summer of salary on research grants…to the tune of $40-50k.  it’s a gold mine for a few of them out there.

  • Anonymous

    My friend I am not jealous of anything. I have terminal cancer in my mid 50′s and will be dead in a couple of months. I am not taking a cent that I worked so hard for all my life. Nor will I be taking any of yours. When you deride someone you should know their circumstances so you can cause the most effectively painful blow possible. Now don’t hold back…. I am broke now but I don’t get a cent of “welfare”. One thing I do know is I was never greedy or jealous. I paid my taxes and dues, gave what I could, served my country. Maybe the world is a better place, maybe not.

  • Anonymous

    Sports are less than 1% of school budgets.  Expensive sports like football are mostly funded through booster clubs (donations) and charging admission to games.  I know many kids who would have not finished school without the outlet of sports.

  • newportres

    Yet somehow businesses are required by law to do it, and in many cases other cases they actually choose to do it.
    Your first point is incorrect by the way.  You do not need in-depth blood work to check for drug use.
    Your second point is also incorrect as many people do it quite cheaply with in office kits only needing follow up (very cheap, contract) medical checks when any of the simple test show a need for further testing.
    If you want the money, you should have to agree to waive your other rights.  Taking the money is voluntary.  If you don’t want it don’t waive your other rights.
    We force our military members to stay under constant testing and not one law suit for it.

  • Anonymous

    Attaboy! Let’s shut down the free drug clinics. What is the State doing passing out free drugs?We are enablers.

  • Anonymous

    My logic is hardly faulty. I am of the belief that’s its their money to do with as they wish whether its Quimby or Trump or anyone else. If they want to hide it in a mattress or use it for kindling, its their money.

  • Anonymous

    If the Gov made what Mr. King Makes, the Gov would be way, way overpaid for what we get out of him.

  • Anonymous

    I am voting democrat, I want to get on the dole…Lepage is going to mess that up.

  • Anonymous

    Hum, blackmailing or bullying? Lets just cut some of the services that are REALLY needed. My thought is that these “services”were supposed to be tempory until people got back on their feet.  Just the other day I heard a person who said, ”I’m not from here, but moved here because the services like these give out more money.”  I think that we really need to look at this issue, by cutting these what are we going to do with the people who REALLY need it? Winter’s coming….do we just put them out in the snow…I think NOT! 

  • newportres

    You do know the difference between movies and reality right?
    If not please avoid watching Nightmare on Elm Street.
    The rest of your rant is just off topic drivel.

  • Anonymous

    And what stopped the R’s from blocking him cutting the heating budget?  Both sides are guilty.  Neither side supports the common American person.

  • Anonymous

    Shouldn’t you be out looking for nuts….winter is coming.

  • Anonymous

    Pee-based testing pretty much catches ONLY marijuana, because everything else gets flushed from the human system so fast (cocaine, 48 hours, same with meth).

  • Anonymous

    Or we could stop giving out all that welfare to the corporations and the rich in Maine.  This guy is unbelievable. What a monster.

  • Anonymous

    Not to be changing the subject..but..speaking of graphs..all global warming graphs show a huge increase since the 1850`s ..is that why you are ..headin_north?   :>)

  • Anonymous

    Well yes, I thought that was understood. But it is still free to any kid who wants to apply themselves. I’ve always thought it was strange that those with the most kids pay the least taxes, yet use the most services. Isn’t that backward?

  • Anonymous

    Your argument is that the corporations can extort us, and we have to put up with it.  I totally disagree.  They do have to do business in this country and we can tax them much more effectively.

    Unfortunately, lobbying these days is the equivalent of legalized bribery.  And the big corporations have huge amounts of lobbying power.  Our system is broken–you just don’t want to admit that fact. 

    Do you see any corruption issues in government at all?

  • Anonymous

    For every job you give a welfare recipient you take a job off the market for someone else. Unless you create a system of make believe jobs that are filled by the lowest and poorest. It is a very expensive system. It has been tried over and over and doesn’t work.

    Real job creation is needed. Real jobs! Jobs that persist after the problem is solved.

  • Anonymous

    Someone ought to inform Monsieur le Grenouille that not everyone had the benefit of a sugar daddy like he did.

  • Anonymous

    I find it ironic that Clinton (a democrat) signed NAFTA which in effect snowballed free trade agreements. They all called it good for consumers (at the expense of losing manufacturing jobs). And where do these “poor” consumers shop? Walmart. And where does Walmart get most of their goods? China. In some sense we are all transfering wealth overseas.

  • Anonymous

    Fanny and Freddie alone didn’t have the power to ruin the economy.  Can’t you see that?  The power is in the biggest banks:  Goldman-Sachs, AIG, Wells Fargo, and so on.

    The FF myth is one of the most ridiculous pieces of spin that the Republican media elite have fed to fawning Fox News junkies.

    Rupert Murdoch, by the way, owns not only Fox News, but The Wall Street Journal, the New York Post and dozens of other huge media sources across the planet.

  • Anonymous

    Good point!  And that was Clinton, I think, who pushed through NAFTA.  Both parties are corrupted.

  • Anonymous

    You know the difference between a documentary and a fiction flick, right?

  • Anonymous

    Those damn children, lets punish them some more, huh?  

  • Anonymous

    If you can’t cut it in Maine, move to a state where you don’t have to worry about the cold. It’s called survival, and taking responsibility for yourself.
    I don’t blame anyone, as I said, I only wish to take care of my own family first, before I’m required to take care of yours. That is your job, not mine.
    YES, I do think we are going in the right direction. On the news last night, channel 2 local news, they had a woman who had been unemployed for 3 years. If you are unemployed for 3 years, you don’t want to work. There are times when you have to start at the bottom and work your way up again. We can’t all be executives.

  • Anonymous

    You know the difference between a documentary and a fiction flick, right?

  • Anonymous

    If you are going to fire anyone, it is time to fire your way over paid daughter first. Nothing worse then a Government employee hiring his family and treating Maine Taxpayers as their private Piggy Bank.

  • Anonymous

    Get sick, lose your house to pay the bill–you want that?

  • Anonymous

    Anyone want to take up a collection for SD to move to Canada? A bus ticket can’t be that much.
    You seem to love it so much, why do you stay here?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SCNJPPZDX7GEYELESV2YGQFLN4 Pat T. Riot

    Conservatives, “rebubs” according to budsview, love to raise the specter of some less-than-popular group to rouse the masses.  Here is a list that quickly comes to mind: welfare recipients, government employees, governmental agencies, immigrants, legal or illegal, foreigners in general, foreign nations receiving American aid, gays, union members, college professors, teachers, environmentalists, socialists, minorities, and the unemployed.  The plan of attack is to start yelling, “Git’em!  Git’em!  Git those _________________!  (Fill in the blank here with your choice at the moment.  You have quite a few to choose from.)”
     
    This political tactic has been used, often successfully, throughout history.  And conservatives of today are equally knowledgeable in its use.

  • Anonymous

    What do you think about those two Wall Street bankers convicted of fraud that contributed to the suffering of tens of millions of Americans?  One of them is a billionaire, made it off cheating us.  Does that bother you?

  • Anonymous

    Oh you mean Obama?
    He shut your precious tourist industry right down when he did it.

  • Anonymous

    This really started when Wall St. (the “banks) gave out home loans to people who just couldn’t afford them. This was encouraged by Clinton signing off on it and the banks/real estate brokers ran with it.  Just think, it was started by a do-good democrat trying to help poor people.

  • Anonymous

    Mmmm, not true. Our economy is in the state that it is because a bunch of Wall Street companies built and sold bad bonds that consisted of “exotic” mortgages that were made to people who never should have been given a loan–and those people were directly targeted by for-profit mortgage-making companies that needed to continue to inflate the real estate market in order to fulfill their own totally outrageous models for industry growth (read The Big Short by Micheal Lewis– its mind boggling). Those Wall Street companies essentially invented, like, 400 billion dollars through these bonds, profited tremendously, and got bailed out–but we are still seeing the ripple effects of those bad bonds in European economies (and our own).

  • Anonymous

    I also find it ironic…and Hillary was campaigning for president saying bring jobs back to America. Matt Taiibi of Rolling Stones was interviewing her, looking like there was a huge joke and he couldn’t laugh out loud.

  • Anonymous

    I’m curious.  What welfare is Maine giving to the corporations and rich? 

  • Anonymous

    What?  they are all going to sell their multi-million dollar mansions and leave Maine because we are going to cut their ability to buy six new yachts a year down to three yachts a year?  Boo-hoo.

    You do realize that a million dollars is nothing to them, right?   Sounds like you are afraid of them–as if they could threaten you with extortion, and you’d fall on your knees and beg them to stay, so you can clean their shoes.

  • Anonymous

    If they lower the limits, maybe people who decline Heath Care that their employers offer because MaineCare is handed out to them so easily will finally step up to plate like the rest of us do.

  • Anonymous

    Are you still here?

  • Anonymous

    Good point.  I guess these extremists don’t want the government to pay for roads or sports in school.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. get rid of all the social extracuricular activities. If parents want them they can pay for them themselves not the general taxpayer. 

    Schools should be rooms with desks and chairs. Warm enough to be comfortable and little else. Yes we need the tools of technology etc to keep abreast with the world. One does not need to sit in the latest most ergonomic desk that costs $600 each so they can sleep the day away in comfort.

  • Anonymous

    I hear that Stephen King is donating $70,000 for fuel assistance.

  • Anonymous

      I have friends in Canada and the first thing they wanted to know when obama( not capitalized on purpose) proposed his health care program, “didn’t you guys learn anything from Canada’s national health care?”

      Entitlement programs DO NOT work and are unsustainable.

      The handouts have got to stop or we will be in the same boat as our
    European neighbors. Bankrupt.

  • Anonymous

    Well, because then your aren’t offering the same opportunities to the poor kids as the rich ones. that’s why my old high school did away with the hockey team–it was a class divide.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not just at the univ level.  Education spending is top heavy at every level.  Administrations grow and so do the salaries with each new generation.  I’d love to see a comparison of expenditures for admin 20 years ago and now on a pro rata basis.  Bureaucrats love building kingdoms on public money. 

    Cut out half the administrators at all levels and spend the coin on classroom needs, not people.

  • Anonymous

    Nah!  Finding nuts is never a problem in the land of LePage

  • Anonymous

    I agree with Rep. Cain.  The entire budget needs to be examined, not generating civil wars between the government agencies.  Also, why try to enlist the college leaders?

  • Shiretowner

    From LePage? Lessons on what not to do in an economic downturn?

  • Anonymous

    Even if the cost is only $100, as you claim, to test for ALL illicit drugs, which I don’t believe, by the way, there are the other costs I mention. 

    You want people to waive their rights to justice if they are harmed or maligned by the tests, but that’s not going to get through the Courts and it shouldn’t.  People have rights in this country when dealing with the government, and it is dangerous to give the government power to void those rights.

    You have to hire staff, deal with complaints, run a huge bureaucracy, add another branch to DHHS.  All because you don’t trust the poor, when in fact the people you shouldn’t trust are rich bankers moving jobs to China.

    Show me a link where the test for ALL illicit drugs is cheap.

    Why shouldn’t we test Wall Street bankers, who got bailed out to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars? Two of them were just convicted of fraud, by the way.

  • Anonymous

    Florida caught 2 out of 100. And the test cost them plenty. You will have to form a whole new branch of welfare to administer, take, analize ( so it will hold up in court).
    Now also Florida is tied up in a very expensive civil rights suit which they have to pay for. I would have to look it up but they actually cut the budget by less than 100k before costs. The cost figures are not in yet. Hell… you look it up.
    It is not really the deal you think. Unless you happen to be one of the governors family members who got the contracts in Florida. Of course all paid for on the taxpayers dime.

  • Anonymous

    In 1976 when I first came to Maine, I talked to a Town Manager who dispensed welfare to needy family’s.  He gave based on needs and he was repaid in either of two ways.   Folks worked it off, or it was repaid at a later date–but always repaid.  People were very proud to get temporary help and felt good to repay this obligation in work or actual money.  A great sense of pride was shown.   With the ensuing years of entitlements, each generation feels that they are “owed this money” because their parents got it.  Welfare-begets-welfare!   State, cities and towns in Maine being trusting and liberal  in the good years (from a welfare POV) all these years, it is easier for the recipient to stay unproductive, complain and and whine when told to get off their a_ _’s and work–no more subsidisation.  This financial crisis that we face is certainly going (and is now) to effect us all in the pocket book quite severely and deeply.  A lot of people in Maine are resourceful and make hand made things, usually or quality, to support their family’s.  It is time for the lazies to quit whining and get income yourself and not a handout from your hard working neighbors.  Good job Le Page!  

  • Anonymous

    Wow, what a great response you’ve given! Just change the subject and point to someone else. That must have taken a lot of brain power.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, they do urine test. And it is usually done twice (the second time at a higher standard) before anyone is accused of anything.  I don’t know anyone taking blood for drug test. You can buy a drug test kit at Rite Aid for like 35 bucks. I just looked up at one lab for drug testing and they charge 50 bucks for collection and testing. The time it takes to urinate in a cup and label it is about all it takes.

  • Anonymous

    Huge estate tax cut for the dead millionaires.

  • Anonymous

    you can’t have insurance costs and claim “law suit” expenses in the same breath.  One or the other is a cost but not both.  The State, a contractor,  does NOT get sued if there is medical malpractice, the practitioner with whom they contract does.  And if he is negligent and causes harm, he should be. 
    By the way, did you know that the State is generally immune from civil suit for anything unless it has consented to the action?  Didn’t think so.

  • Anonymous

    That sure does sound like a true story.

  • Anonymous

    Then turn them in –ya know- report them –if everyone that knows of people abusing the system would turn them in–there would be a lot less of it going on….

  • Anonymous

    That’s why it is tested twice-the second time at a higher standard. Its hard to prove a  ’false positive’ result is wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Oh yeah, let’s cut the professors’ salaries, that should pull in the high-end talent and keep the UMaine system competitive with the rest of the country.

  • Anonymous

    Then you should move to a dictatorship where the rich do what they please.  Democratic capitalism is based on all classes of people, from the lower to the middle to the upper class moving forward together through increased productivity.

    But no one has moved forward in the last couple decades but the ultra-rich.  The rest of us are sinking.  

    What is ethical about building a factory in China, making that godless police state stronger,  while taking jobs away from Americans?  Tell me.  I dare you.

  • Anonymous

    LOL

  • Anonymous

    How about we eliminate all pay, perks, and benefits for elected and appointed officials as part of the package?  This would not apply to “civil service” positions, the people who actually do the work.

    Hey, Guv, you get to use your own car on business.  That’s what I do.  You can deduct mileage on your taxes . . .

  • Anonymous

    And, if the federal immigration laws were enforced, the jobs currently held by illegals would open up jobs. 

  • Anonymous

    By the same token I guess we can’t all expect to have health care, food, and shelter.  I know, that’s  just the way it goes. When you are heading in the right direction, that is.  Compassion as exemplified by the golden rule has always been optional in many of the best circles.

  • Martha Williams

    phew

  • Anonymous

    The difference between a democracy and a republic is important to consider when searching for answers to difficult issues/questions for this distinction gives the framework that an answer can be worked. Those that call this nation a democracy are wrong, no matter their station in life. It is an important distinction, not lame, not old and hardly  ridiculous.

     ”The chief characteristic
    and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority. In
    a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority,
    have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of
    Majority-over-Man.”
    “The definition
    of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative
    type, created by a written Constitution–adopted by the people and changeable
    (from its
    original meaning) by them only by its amendment–with its powers divided
    between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial. Here the
    term “the people” means, of course, the electorate.”

    “Democracy, as a form of government, is
    utterly repugnant to–is the very antithesis of–the traditional American system:
    that of a Republic, and its underlying philosophy, as expressed in essence in
    the Declaration of Independence with primary emphasis upon the people’s forming
    their government so as to permit them to possess only “just powers”
    (limited powers) in order to make and keep secure the God-given, unalienable rights
    of each and every Individual and therefore of all groups of Individuals.”

    http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

  • Anonymous

    “The drug testing would not be as costly as providing welfare to allow the addicts to buy their drugs”

    How costly will the drug tests be?   Do you have any numbers or facts we could look at, or is your statement a republican fact?

    Do you currently know how many people are using their welfare to buy drugs, or are you assuming like most republicans that it’s everyone?

    Look I’m not totally against reforming welfare, but only after the richest Mainers take their cut in the form of tax hikes.  It’s just fair.

  • Anonymous

    It costs the State between $6-$7 for a 4 panel drug screen.  The results are there within 5 minutes!  State usees them all the time in Probation and Parole.  Money well spent if it finds just a few drug users on State benefits

  • Anonymous

    Raising the minimum wage raises the cost of production.  Higher costs mean either higher product and service prices to everyone or a reduction in the work force, thereby reducing the cost of production per unit.  That is not always possible.

    So either way, increasing the minimum wage is counter-productive in reality.   An elimination of the minimum wage would result in  a huge increase in available jobs and the wage for each would reflect the market for that skill or service.  Competition creates jobs and lowers costs, not legislation.  At least in a free society.

  • Anonymous

    frankly the whole arena of professors and professor salaries has been over-defended for years now.  as with doctors in the usa versus other countries, some professors are overpaid for the work that they do. i’m not going to rant on here about the multiple examples i can give of higher paid professors teaching 1 class a semester, hanging at a gym for 2 hours whenever they like, hopping on airplanes on taxpayer dollars to those ever important research conferences in italy, australia, wherever.  fact is a tenured professor in the us has a GREAT gig going – can’t be fired unless he/she essentially commits a crime (lifetime job security), gets full medical, retirement contribution, etc. benefits, totally flexible work schedule.  i know a couple professors who are quiet humble and fully appreciate what they have AND would give back some salary in the interest of avoiding catatonic budget cuts (likely a minority couple).  you can go on all you want fweagles about the value of high paid professors to an institution for there are just as many of us who feel some of them are overpaid, and all of them “ain’t got a bad gig going” especially when compared to the average working Mainer or American.

  • tag

    Maine is at the top of the list of nanny states in this country and the left does not understand why we have trouble creating jobs or growing our economy. Liberals would rather import welfare recipients than businesses. Welfare should be a safety net, not a lifestyle. As we have learned, you can’t keep taking from the earners without them figuring out that there are better places to live.  

  • Anonymous

    I say drug test em, in the long run it will save money

  • Anonymous

    Well let’s start with the parents who had more of “those damn children” than they could afford in the first place, fully expecting the rest of us to help pay for them.
    Pretty soon, people are going to realize we are serious, and start being more responsible. There is no excuse for bringing a child into this world that you can not fully support yourself. There is abortion, there is adoption, there are morning after pills, and birth control is free for those who can’t afford it, right at Penquis.
    So what is the excuse?

  • Anonymous

    Any non-professor making more than $100,000 should be the first to get cuts.

  • Anonymous

    I recently read an article that listed the top ten poorest states in the country (Maine was not on the list). Many factors were looked at including education, healthcare, etc.. I was curious enough to see where and what factors may be attributed to this. Most are are located in the south-no surpise here. What did surprise me was I found 7 out of ten were “Right to Work” states. Statistically significant? Maybe-maybe not but it sure doesn’t support your assertions about unions. In fact it looks like states with unions had a higher quality of life.

  • Anonymous

    Already happened in 2005. I couldn’t get maincare because I had a few
    thousands in savings because I have worked hard.
    Screw maincare, it is for the non producers only, was the message they gave me.

  • Anonymous

    No, that is what I DO want my taxes to pay for. We all use the roads. We all don’t have a kid who wants to play sports. It’s a small handful of students who play sports.
    That is exactly the problem. Your comparison doesn’t make sense.

  • Anonymous

    At least you are thinking with your whole mind not repeating the mantra fed you by the right. Yours is the kind of business we need in Maine. Yes it is hard times not made better by narrowminded thinking. EVERYONE needs to pitch in. And that means the rich and large corporations getting off the money and putting it into growth markets. Not paper shuffling for dollars. Patriotism is not only for the poor and middle class. I am not asking that they give away their money to the government but invest in our country. Yes taxes are part of that but profits also streanghten our economy. Many are just being unreasonable and refusing to unlock a dime unless it brings 25%return.

  • kkmousse

    I support welfare reform and believe that there should be a time limit.  However you can not just dump welfare and not porvide a means for people to TRY to support themselves.
    There has to be a comprehensive approach to this issue and JOBS are key.
    We need jobs that 1, provide training, 2 above min wage, have LONGEVITY (not a contruction job to build a Casino and once the building is completed the job is gone) A job where you can stay for years and build upon experience.
    So where are those jobs that offer FAMILIES some SECURITY and HEALTH CARE!
    People can not live on the States Dime at a time when there are less people working as it is that can pay into the tax system as it is.
    Where are the jobs?

  • Anonymous

    I just googled drug testing charges and the first lab that came up tests in all 50 states which includes collection charges 50 bucks. The lab that test our company has a mobile unit. Its pretty easy to put a pass/fail/no show into a computer database. Why would you have to harass anyone? Its not complicated.

  • Anonymous

    As long as you know when the test is coming. Besides, testing is not meant to really “catch” anyone, it is more of a deterrent. That works-trust me, I am there.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life

     A pretty ignorant post but you have 132 likes at 9.45am so there are plenty just like you.

  • Anonymous

    this governor is the lowest form of life there is.  I honestly don’t know how this MONSTER got elected in the first place.  He’s a MORON!!

  • kkmousse

    “And to the REPUBLIC for Which it stands” Yes it is a Republic, however the powers have managed to turn it into a democracy that the framers of the Constitution did not want to have in the first place. It is a Elitist form of Government and those with the money hold the power over our Freely Elected officials. 
    How many times is it pointed out that our Presidents are connected somehow to each other and go back to the Mayflower.  In a way if makes it like our Presidents get chosen because they pass on the Office though Blood lines.
    That is not how is is supposed to be. 
    A Republic enables even the most insignificant person gets a voice in our Government. But those mouths are shut out by the Majority at the instigation through our Media that is owned by the Elites.

  • Anonymous

    There are jobs.  There aren’t enough employees in Maine with the needed skills to perform the jobs.

  • Anonymous

    The longer it takes people to find good paying jobs, more people will slip into poverty, and more people will qualify for benefits. LePage is trying to keep these poor souls from qualifying. It seems to me true economic recovery will only happen when companies return jobs and job related benefits to America. Without that, we are slowly becoming a third world country where the needs of the poorest  go unmet.

  • Anonymous

    Hi Sci
    Education will never eradicate stupidity but that’s no reason to turn our backs on our kids. All of them, the very bright, the average, and the slower ones, deserve the best education we can give them.  Penalizing everyone of differing abilities for failure to measure up to an arbitrary definition of “success”  doesn’t seem to hold much appeal.  Such a cheery draconian outlook and attendant policy will roll us right back into the darkest deepest pit of the middle ages.

  • Anonymous

    its getting to the point that there aren’t really many programs to cut or take from –that are not all ready hanging by a thread—no matter what gets cut  Maine people that deserve the programs are going to suffer a bit more than they already do—so whats new ?

  • Anonymous

    LePage is a prime example of why it’s important to elect people for high office who have proven themselves in the political arena. Anyone who proudly boasts he/she isn’t a true politician is telling us they have no clue how to work in the legislative or executive branches of government.  Why should we hire these people to work for us when they clearly lack the experience and/or motivation to do the job? Would LePage have given any one of us the same chance when he was a Marden’s executive?

  • Anonymous

    I drove to work this morning and saw all kids of help wanted signs.  Granted, they are dishwasher help, fastfood, and minimum wage jobs like that.  The problem is that people dont have to get out of bed for jobs like that because they make more staying home and collecting off the state.

    I personally know a girl that quit her job as a medical secretary in Waterville because she met a guy on line.  She sold her house and moved right in with him in the Bangor area.  She was granted unemployment and says she has no intention of going back to work until her unemployment runs out…then she said that she can get extensions!   Is this the way benefits are supposed to work?

    Is LePage a bully?  Yes, I think he is!  I also think it is about time that someone comes in and startes holding people accountable.  It’s time for a change, if you cant agree with that…you need to take your blinders off   

  • newportres

    I know I can’t tell the difference between fiction and whatever you wish to call those flicks done by M Moore.

  • Anonymous

    Sure, cancel benefits so the children get nothing because the parent is unable to come off HIGHLY addictive drugs.  I love the condescension.  Do you think the pharmaceuticals just HAPPEN to be miserably addictive and the pharma companies couldn’t have come up with less addictive options?  I know several people that started out with an injury and ended up addicted, having to spend MORE money to become unaddicted.  But I’m sure an addiction expert like you could kick the stuff without a second thought, right?  The whole thing isn’t as simple as the simpletons would like to make it. 

  • newportres

    Like I said stick to the topic.

  • newportres

    As I said, Please explain how you will take more money from non-residents.
    If you have nothing substantial to offer than just admit it.

  • dadoje

    Could it be that welfare has gone up because of higher unemployment? No jobs = more people needing help

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Paul LeHostagetaker.

  • Anonymous

    “We don’t even have nationalized healthcare, like all other democracies in the world.”
    Oh you mean like Greece and most of Europe?
    Good thing, otherwise we’d be worse of than they are. FYI, The USA already has a higher marginal tax rate than those countries.

  • Anonymous

    Ten years from now, someone will ask:  ”Do you remember when LePage was Governor of Maine?”  And I’ll say:  ”Who?”

  • newportres

    You keep claiming it can’t be done.
    Yet our US military and thousands of employers here in the United States do it every day and are even required by the government to do it.
    However do they manage?
    YOU require those of us who are employed and our military to be tested and to pay this supposedly HUGE cost.
    Why not those on welfare?
    From the ACLU:
    The average cost of a drug test is about $42 per person tested,[8] not
    including the costs of hiring personnel to administer the tests, to ensure
    confidentiality of results and to run confirmatory tests to guard against false
    positives resulting from passive drug exposure, cross-identification with legal,
    prescription drugs such as codeine and legal substances such as poppy seeds.  http://www.aclu.org/drug-law-reform/drug-testing-public-assistance-recipients-condition-eligibility

  • Anonymous

    Drug testing. They only want to test prior offenders, today. Tomorrow they will make a back room deal up in August to only test prior offenders and those who have been on legally prescribed meds. Then those who are “at risk”. It is just a foot in the door they are looking for.

  • newportres

    Yet somehow our military and many private businesses manage to make it all happen.
    Somehow the Federal Government managed to justify forcing thousands of non-government companies to bear the huge expense of this completely unmanageable (according to you) program.
    However do they all manage to bear it?
    If we can suffer through it so can those who TAKE our money.

  • newportres

    I don’t care how they became addicted no more than I care how a drunk became addicted. I do care for their children and if the parents are going to spend the money we give them on drugs anyway giving them more money to take care of the kids (which is not where they spend the money) does the kids no good.  So your answer of throwing money at the problem does nothing to help the children either.
    If children are not getting care they should not be with the parents.
    That is what would happen to me and that is what should happen to those who take my money.

  • Anonymous

    Really? How often does someone from Allagash Maine use the roads in southern maine and visa versa?

  • Anonymous

    I really hope you don’t call your self a christian

  • http://twitter.com/Phoebe6853 Phoebe Figalilly

    We’re not a democracy!

  • Anonymous

    Because the military has a half a trillion dollar budget, they have plenty of money and no one is going to cut there spending. If Maine had that much money then we would not have a problem. Also how many business have to test 50,000 employees each year? Some very large business will, but the also have billion dollar budgets and major profits, Again if Maine was i this situation then we would not have problems. I work for an employer and i had to get a drug test I have been with the company for over a year, We have hired 3 people. If we hired 30,000  sure bet the drug testing would be re-thought. 

  • Anonymous

    Fair would be a flat tax with no exemptions and no deductions, that means no loopholes with tax credits either. If you earn it, you pay the flat percentage rate. Set it at whatever will keep the US solvent, but also let Washington know that the government must cut expenses. Too many people have bought into the argument that if we soak the rich and take their money all problems will be solved. Unfortunately, by soaking the rich and overtaxing one part of the population there will still be no difference. The tax money is coming from the middle class and even by robbing the top earners, the middle still will bear the brunt of the tax situation.  Everyone needs to pay their fair share. If you allow excessive taxes at the top, it will filter down to YOU and everyone else who is paying income taxes. This whole class warfare is a ploy to pit one part of America against another part of America. That whole scenario of the millionaire contending that he paid less taxes than an employee skipped the facts. He was speaking of the 15% on dividends—gee, I pay 15 percent too and I am not rich. That is part of the tax structure to make us feel better about making investments with money which we could lose and money for which we have already paid taxes. On earned income he paid a greater percentage than the employee. In truth, Buffet and every other person can pay more into income taxes if they desire to do so.

    Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto and it seems to have become the rallying cry of everyone jealous of the segment of the population that has the millions. Read it even if you read it back in college—try reading it again. It did not work—then reread Animal Farm, a reminder of what happens when you try to redistribute everything and a reminder that the Soviet Union collapsed due to economics. The Soviets could not control their vast empire/union because they could not even rub two nickles together to get a dime. No one would loan them anything and they had nothing left to man their army and control the other countries who could then make a break. Look at Europe–giving away and redistributing with so many social programs they are going bust. The Euro currency was a huge mistake, yet there are so many who would love to see one world currency.

    We do need reforms and one of them would be to stop listening to politicians pitting citizens against citizens.

  • Anonymous

    If you quit a job without cause you cannot get unemployment.

  • Emily Bearse

    I’d say why don’t we just cut his salary down to $10,890 and make him actually live off that. I bet he wouldn’t even make it a month.  In order for our state to survive we need to feed our children’s brains. That means both education and food. A child cannot learn as effectively if he or she is hungry or if he or she is sick or if he or she does not get the education which this country promises. Part of what makes America great is free education to all…..not just the rich.   Part of what makes America great is that we believe “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!” We should continue to help others especially children. It is not the child’s fault he or she is poor. We should not punish them because they were born in to a family that could not provide.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MLD4PUC2FDBZG3UWLM6KFTEBBM Mrs_O

    @rusjan – I understand that. I am simply saying add the costs of the testing itself and then the legal fees of those who do test positive and contest and it is going to cost Maine a boat load more than it already does.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MLD4PUC2FDBZG3UWLM6KFTEBBM Mrs_O

    For any single parent with children that are not school age, they are eligible for full benefits. 

  • newportres

    You require it of truckers whether they belong to a small or large company.
    You require it of most Airport workers, no matter what size the Airport.
    You require it of all Pilots, even private pilots to some extent.
    You require it of Pipeline workers, bus driver, the military (by the way our money not theirs and we can make them stop doing it if we wish), Security employees of all sorts, etc…..
    There is no good reason not to make sure that the people who TAKE money from these people also are drug free before spending the money they had to be drug free to earn.

  • Anonymous

    PLEASE  STATE YOUR SOURCES

  • Anonymous

    Well said

  • Anonymous

     Japan has no welfare system , everybody works

  • Anonymous

    blame congress who appropriates

  • Anonymous

    You don’t know everyone’s situation .  As for computer use, are you aware that many people do not have a computer at home so they use the ones at the various libraries? You do not have it all wrapped up as you seem to think.

  • Anonymous

    People do not move to Maine to receive benefits. In reality Maine has the lowest benefits in the Northeast.

  • Anonymous

    No welfare?  You mean people might actually have to support their own kids?  What is this state coming to?

  • Anonymous

    Now this would be a good referendum. Let the people
    decide which to cut. Things can’t keep going on with the spending
    so give us a choice. Then no one can complain and whine.
    Maybe the colleges will be patriotic and cut their tuition
    costs in half for everyone?  

  • Anonymous

    list your sources and all the corporations you say do not pay  taxes.. your list will be short….. clueless you. the one still asleep. al you have is a grudge against any sucessfull hard working american, but you adore roxann quimby and steven king whats with that?

  • Anonymous

    Set up a hotline for reporting welfare fraud and offer cash incentive for those that are found guilty!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Similar to reporting poachers!

  • NotesFromME

    How much was that huge tax cut payoff to LePage’s rich cronies? 120 million?

  • Anonymous

    I understand that, however they are still not hiring as many people that are on welfare. it is not the same. They do drug test, but it s scientifically less then it would be if we tested all welfare takers. 

  • NotesFromME

    You are out of your mind. Japan has a very substantial welfare system–all advanced industrial countries do.

  • Anonymous

    So lets Ban Abortion!!!

  • Anonymous

    How about we cut corporate greed and tax the rich fairly. Then the already poor, down and out folks can have food and shelter. Wow this guy is a heartless greedy moron!!!! Let’s cut into his savings account!!!

  • NotesFromME

    You folks are ridiculous. We are a democracy in that the people, through their votes, are sovereign. No politician serves without being elected in this country, and in many states constitutional amendments and laws must be passed by the public through referenda.

    Yes, this country is a republic. But is a DEMOCRATIC republic. The notion that it is therefore not a democracy is absolutely ridiculous.

  • Anonymous

    He could CUT the salaries and benefits of the top positions in the University system and NO one would go hungry!!! But to cut education , he’s an idiot!CUTS don’t save money, they only send MORE people to the welfare lines. What part of this equation does “he” not understand?????

  • Anonymous

    I would say let’s tax the rich appropriately and STOP cutting jobs and services. This act only sends more people to the welfare/unemployment line. Does “he” not understand that cuts don’t balance. Taxes balance. Let’s start cutting corporate greed and let the money trickle down to those that are working at Mardens, yet still qualify for welfare. I’m sure I’m not the only one that understands that it’s time to tax appropriately and KEEP people employed. Dah!!

  • Anonymous

    Let’s NOT.

  • Anonymous

    Let me say that as a woman who has worked her way from living in Cape Hart on full welfare benefits to working full-time and attending college in the evenings with only “Cub Care” benefits (which I pay a reasonable fee for) that the problem is not those of us who are working to make our lives better and to get completely off the system. It is those who have child after child and are rewarded by receiving more benefits every time they have another one. I work hard and provide for myself and my ONE child. The other MAJOR problem are those who receive these benefits while lying about who does and does not live in their households. MANY people on welfare scam the system by collecting benefits while saying they live alone, while the other parent or current boyfriend also lives with them and works full-time.

    How about instead of taking away from those who are working to get off the system, but are not yet to the place where they can afford insurance, you cut off the parents whom are receiving benefits they should not be?! Or how about if you can not afford to pay and support ONE child not rewarding them for popping out more?!

  • Anonymous

    there are not that many people abusing welfare. The GOP want YOU to keep your focus there, instead of focusing on the fact that the rich don’t pay their fair share. There contribution to social security stops after 106,000. Why not tax on ALL their income, I do! I have NO problem being taxed to help those that are not fortunate enough to have been born with the same IQ or ambition as I do. Or those that are born with additctions. NEVER will everyone be able to provide for themselves, therefore are we as a working class suppose to let them starve? I think the answer is tax appropriately.

  • Anonymous

    There already is a hotline. No rewards though, which is a good thing.

  • Anonymous

    So you do get it then?
    You can have what ever you want as long as you don’t expect others to provide it for you.

  • http://www.infowars.com Pat Riote

    Uhh, there was no cut to welfare/AFDC. Not raising the growth rate to compensate for inflation isn’t a “cut”. It’s the same play with numbers the “right” (of the pseudo “right-vs-left” political scale) uses to say that Democrats will “cut” defense spending.

    If the rate of growth for “x” was projected to be 3%, and they instead only raise it by 1.5%, political pundits scream and holler that “x” was “cut” by 50%.

    Fun with numbers.

  • Anonymous

    People that are for drug testing do NOT understand addiction. One will sell their child for drugs. Soooo we drug test………….who will be starving and dying? CHILDREN!!!! And if YOU think their enough GOOD homes for these children, think again. Go out and talk to someone that was in a foster home or orphanage and see how many were mistreated. Drug testing is not the answer.

  • Anonymous

    No, it won’t. It has been tried elsewhere and the costs have far exceeded the “savings”. Further, it has been held unconsitutional as drug tests in this fashion constitutes an “unreasonable search”.

  • Anonymous

    welfare is going up becaue of unemployment and NOT livable wage jobs. Welfare is not going up because services have been slashed. there is a difference. don’t let the GOP make you into a greedy heartless person. Focus on corporate greed. There shouldn’t be a Mcdonalds owner making millions while there employees qualify for welfare. That is the RICH continuing to STEAL from the working class. The rich didn’t earn all their money. They have stolen it from the working class!!!

  • NotesFromME

    $300 billion a year in corporate welfare, subsidies, and tax loopholes put in place by politicians who had their pockets stuffed by corporate lobbyists. That does not include minimal rates and special treatment of capital gains and dividends that even Reagan thought were outrageous, and eliminated in one of his massive tax increases. Then we can move on to the ridiculous “lease” payments paid for mining and oil drilling on public property in the west and off shore, dirt cheap rents on grazing land, massive pork barrel spending to shovel even more money to politician’s corporate cronies, and the unbelievably bloated defense budget that is twice what is was before 2000, not including the wars.

    Evidently punching the poor is par for the course in LePage’s world. After all he was the one who stated that his massive tax cut for the richest Mainers was all about “giving money to those who best know how to use it.”

  • Anonymous

    So what is a fair salary for someone with 3+ degrees then? How much talent will we be able to attract with a salary that you deem to be fair?

  • Anonymous

    There you go using facts to disprove an inaccurate statement. 

  • Anonymous

    “your company has 3 openings” Are they livable wages. Pay peanuts and you will get monkeys!!! Anyone would be stupid to work in a job that does’t support their home vs stay home, be with family and live modestly. Take a look at that one. corporate greed at it’s finest.

  • Anonymous

    You’re absolutely correct!!

  • Anonymous

    Seldom, but they are there if they want to use them to go to NH or to Canada. When is a 40 year old woman going to go play high school football? Could she if she wished? NO. Could a 38 year old man get on the high school basket ball team? NO. So why should we all pay for something that your kid wants to do? Would the money be better spent on new computers? Or could we lower our tax burden on the schools?

  • Anonymous

    we gave them our jobs!! Good old USA  You’re very correct. Great observation

  • Anonymous

    Nope. Just the sports, we all use the roads. How else would you get your brat to a ball game?

  • Anonymous

    You’re a cold hearted person. The people that couldn’t save for heat…..fed their children daily!! You obviously like myself were born with the IQ to work and live and survive. So what you’re saying is those less fortunate should die. Why not take your EGO and go live in a tent with bread and water for the winter and then blab your heartless mouth!!

  • NotesFromME

    The “wealthy” are rich because they have good businesses? Less than 20% of the top 1% in this country have ANY business income even though they have 46 TRILLION in assets. The higher you get up the income and asset ladder the more likely the money was inherited, or built on inherited money with the assistance of having enough money from parents to attend the “right” schools, and get the “right” first job as a Wall Street scam artist.

    The “self-made” millionaire in this country are few and fare between. The vast majority of them are on the BOTTOM end of the top 1%, and the number of them in the top .2% you can count on two hands.

  • pbmann

    You can not support one person, let alone a family on a minimum wage job.  And if LePage was to get his way with the “Training Wage” workers won’t even get minimum for 6 months,if then.

  • Anonymous

    and how about assigning some unmarked police to just such people who move people into their welfare subsidized apartments?  

  • George Venturelli

    He may be right.  There’s only 2 ways to balance a budget, cut spending or raise revenue.  We don’t seem to have avenues to raise revenue at a state or national level, so the people will have to suffer.  I’m not a big fan of people abusing the system, but I’m sure there’s some out there who actually need it.  That being said, we have to have an honest discussion about our values, and who we are as a people. 
     
    If we do this, we leave people to die, plain and simple.  If you believe that isn’t true, then please tell me how these people feed themselves otherwise.  If we are willing to accept that the most unfortunate in our society can be left to die, then we have decided once and for all that we are not interested in civilized community, but really believe in the base of capitalism, and every person truly does have to fend for themselves at all times.  If that’s the choice we make, then I say don’t stop there, why pretend we care and provide any of these services at all.  Let’s let the weakest, poorest, oldest, and youngest among us die so that we may be stronger as a society. 
     
    On the other side of the discussion, we could just not educate our children, so that we may have a future of people incapable of performing high paying, high tech jobs.  Of course, our country would continue to slide economically, because we don’t have a work force capable of doing the work that needs to be done now or in the future, so all jobs are shipped to China.  We are, of course, somehow morally superior to them, but not intellectually because they invested in their future with the interest we paid them on money borrowed to line the pockets of the most fortunate among us.  Capitalism says that the most fortunate among us should be compensated for their obvious ingenuity, so this further cements our self-belief that our system is superior…except for the dirty little reality that as many people suffer under our system as any other political system known to man.  But no other system on Earth makes the rich even richer, and the obvious difference being that we obviously have hope in America (with our large debt, dying people and poor education) that couldn’t possibly exist elsewhere.  Once again, America is a city upon a hill, a shining light for all the world to see.  Unfortunately, this time they use us as an example of how not to grow as an economy and more importantly a people.
     
    Of course, there is a third way, but the political climate that has been created by the current blame game would never allow this to happen.  We could borrow a ton of money, and this time do the right thing with it.  We could use it to build schools, pay teachers, and maybe even build better ways to make better more nutritious food so that the poorest among us are not so unhealthy and can afford more than cheesy mac for lunch every day.  We could use those educated children to re-invent ourselves, rather than using uneducated children to re-elect our broken politicians based off one-liners and award winning smiles.  We could use the money to give everyone a clean slate on their credit card debt, and do away with credit cards so that no one can be trapped ever again into thinking they have a personal bank at their disposal to offset the lack of actual money they see in their paychecks.  Most importantly, we could set our eyes on the prize and realize that although capitalism has it’s place in making money, it is not a basis for moral code.  When profit is the most important motivator, then it cannot be superceded by irrelevant things like common decency.  It ensures that you cannot help the dying child without health insurance if it does not present a profit.  You cannot make sure that your dying parents rest peacefully, because it’s not profitable.  For you animal lovers, your pet must also suffer, because provided them any relief from their wimpering is certainly not in the budget.
     
    We talk about pitting our moral values against our financial beliefs all the time, but nobody ever wants to put a face to the reality, because it’s not pretty.  So I guess it means that I agree with Mr. Lepage.  If we’re not willing to risk investing in our people, then why bother trying to keep them around.  Let’s cut everything and hope that as few of them end up unable to work or die.  Because we wouldn’t want everyone to die, then who would we have to profit from?

  • pbmann

    Play the game “6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon” and you will seet hat anybody can be connected to anyone somehow.

  • Anonymous

    Thats all good and I agree with a lot of what you said.  My question is if they cut MaineCare to some of these people, who will pay their hospital bills?  No matter how you slice it, its the tax payers.

  • NotesFromME

    The fact that the employees are carrying the tax burden for a enormously rich multi-national corporations is not an outrage to you? Corporations make massive use of the commons–the physical and human capital WE collectively paid for–and they MUST be made to pay for the privilege to do so. Make profits, time to pay your dues for the privilege of doing business. At the very least they should be paying a minimum mandatory franchise tax for having access to US markets.

  • pbmann

    Maine is not importing welfare recipients, as many welfare recipients leave the state as come into the state.  Maine is dead last in welfare benefits in the Northeast so why would people move to the lowet state in teh region for welfare benefits?

  • newportres

    If 10% of welfare takers are using some form of drugs then stopping their benefits for even one year will pay for all testing expenses all by itself.

  • pbmann

    Every place I have worked that had Healthcare coverage you had to take the coverage.  The only way you could decline coverage was if you or your spouse already had coverage with another employer, not with the State.

  • Anonymous

    I think that is a fantastic idea, however, I believe in the long run the scam artist recipients would find a way to beat this system as well. Some of these people are highly intelligent and could go far in life if they were not so lazy.

  • pbmann

    Maine has the lowest welfare benefits in the Northeast. I always have issues with anyting tha starts out “I heard someone who ….” 

  • Anonymous

    Oh I so love it when comments are removed due to speaking the truth!!!  Well here it goes again…. LOL

    Cutting welfare is only going to hurt the children involved.  What needs to be done is cutting the fraud that is happening everyday. Rather it be by lying and getting max benefits while supposedly the father is not in the picture but he is and bringing in an income, to selling foodstamps, to abusing the mainecare system.  to collecting ASPIRE benefits under false pretenses. (ex. getting the 500 allotment for car repairs and not having them done.)

    This would help in decreasing the amount that DHS needs while still providing help to the people that really need them.

    Rumor has it that everyone over 60 months on TANF will be loosing their benefits at the beginning of the year. How is that going to affect the hundreds of children on these grants? Its gonna put hundreds of people out trying to scrape up what ever they can find for a job during the worst time of the year ever.

    There is no easy solution to the problem we are having. we need to cut out the fraud in all aspects in the state not just welfare services and we need jobs. Has anyone actually researched say Aroostook County? Up there is potato country. There are many jobs available for soso pay, but the problem is its only seasonal and with so many looking its hard to get a job :(

  • Anonymous

    No one inquires about a job at my company anymore.  I can’t recall a single person in the past three or four years even call about a job.  We’ve been in business since the early 70′s and used to have people every week ask for a job.  Not any more.

  • pbmann

    NIce try….. I wait on plenty of people who bad mouth people on welfare and then proceed to pay for their food with food stamps.  In fact I have a running argument with a Tea Party supporter who constantly bad mouths Obama, Democrats and the welfare system who is unable to find a full time job and has been on Food Stamps and partial unemployment for going on 3 years now. 

  • Anonymous

    What does christian have to do with school sports? Unless you go to a christian school. Taxpayers should get their moneys worth in ecucation of the children not sending them to social events.

  • pbmann

    Facts to support your argument.

  • Anonymous

    True Mainer1: sounds like you would hire any elder to work for you. You wouldn’t need to pay their insurance. Especially if they are on Medicare.

  • Anonymous

    A democracy is when two wolfs and a lamb vote on what’s for supper.

  • pbmann

    I read an article the other day in the USA Today about how CEO’s are now routinely getting $100 million dollars or more in stocks  payment when they leave.  How much of that is possible because of the “tax breaks” being given to corporations today?

  • NotesFromME

    Barney Frank was not in the House majority through any of the housing debacle, and had no impact whatsoever in the meltdown. Fannie and Freddie were not even close to being at the center of the housing and mortgage debacle, right wing claptrap to the contrary. Wall Street pumped hundreds of billions into the real estate market buying, bundling and selling junk paper around the world because they made billions doing so through outright fraud–attaching risk insurance instruments, paying off rating agencies, and buying Republican politicians. Remember Bush’s “ownership society” which pushed the accelerator to the floor?

    I was the CFO of a mortgage bank for about six years out west before moving to Maine. I sold literally thousand of loans into the secondary market–almost all of which went directly to Wall Street through bundlers like GMAC, Countrywide, WAMU, and BofA. Wall Street was ravenous for the stuff, especially on the low end because of the up side as payments and interest rates increased on the worst loans. Fannie and Freddie were required by law only to buy conforming loans. Their portfolio of bad loans was BOUGHT FROM WALL STREET relatively late in the game in order to remain competitive, because they were publicly traded at the time. You will not find a single respectable economist or financial analyst who puts Fannie and Freddie in the center of the debacle. They were, however, a good place for Wall Street and the Fed to park the toxic assets.

    Although subprime began as a small portion of the market, the use of subprime structured loans became prevalent in the boom times out west and in Florida when massive housing tracts with tens of thousands of homes were being built. People bought as much home as they could possibly afford because prices increased almost month by month, sometimes doubling and tripling in a matter of 2-3 years. I owned a $350,000 home that hit $1.2 million at the peak. In the end more than half of all borrowers with A1 credit were buying with subprime type loans. Nobody, and no government agency forced any bank or lender into any type of loans–they were made because the “market makers” in New York could not get enough of them.

  • Anonymous

    You are beating a dead horse. How about going after something that can be changed? It is in the court system now. We can make it mandatory here and join in the lawsuits etc. It will be declared unconstitutional by SCOTUS as it has been already declared unconstitutional in several state courts under state constitutions. A dead horse.

  • pbmann

    I am currently unemployed and for a lark I filled out an on-line means test to see if I would qualify for TANF.  I cited my unemployment payments as my only source of income and surprisingly I DID NOT qualify for assistance.  So, no it is not too easy to get assistance. 

    You can try this yourself if you would like

  • maine 456

    I was a supporter until this.

  • pbmann

    Clinton just signed into law NAFTA, it was started under George H.W. Bush.  Clinton did support it though.

  • pbmann

    The first person reference in this article beside LePage was Senate President Kevin Raye, R-Perry later in the article they quote House Minority Leader Rep. Emily Cain, D-Orono.

    A balanced story on this should include opinions from both sides of the issue.  Unlike right wing news sources that hardly ever include both sides of the issues because that would confuse their base.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you lepage for being direct and honest. The state has limited resources and it needs to make hard choices. This is one of them, education should be the top priority..

  • pbmann

    They always “know” someone or someone who knows someone abusing the system but apparently can’t pick up a phone or write a letter to save the state money.

  • Anonymous

    The bloom  is off this Turd Party…

    The shortfall is the combined result of a steadily disappearing middle class because of no new job creation in the US, despite tax cuts for the rich, resulting in a larger population of poor people.

    The answer is not to be found in more cuts in basic services, but rather in a long overdue increase in revenue from the multitude of previous sources.

    It’s not rocket science.

  • Anonymous

    Name them.  Call DHHS and name the people you see cheating the system.  Then they can do something.

  • Anonymous

    Tell what is an “appropriate” tax on everyone, including those you call rich.  And just who is that?  Give me real numbers please. 

  • Anonymous

    It’s no use.  If you respond to them, they blab for 7 inches.

  • Anonymous

    Obviously you don’t understand the income restrictions placed on welfare recipients. The reason they are on assistance is because they are unable, meaning disabled, from providing for themselves. And all one need do is listen to the complaints about people whom others would swear are taking advantage and working under the table and should  be barred from receiving benefits.

    The very notion that able-bodied people are just sitting around, ‘getting high’, and watching Cable is a fallacy.

    If there is a ‘death panel’ mentality anywhere, it is certainly well represented here.
    Geez Louise!

    p.s. Much appreciation to all who voted ‘Yes”on One.

    Woohoo. – Obama 2012…

  • Anonymous

    No one ever paid 70% of their income in taxes. When the marginal rate was that high, there were a multitude of  “tax shelters” that were avialible to people in those brakets that allowed them to avoid almost all taxes. Reagan lowered the upper marginal rates and at the same time eliminated many of the loopholes. As a result, those in the upper brackets actually paid more in income taxes than they did when the marginal rate was higher. Do some research.

  • pbmann

    I call bull$%# on this post.
     
    This has been proven to be incorrect but the right still uses it because it works.
     
    I highly doubt you know someone wh turned down a $21 an hour job to stay on welfare.  That means they would earn over $43,600 a year, over $17,000 more than the average wage for a person.

    “Repeated studies show no correlation between benefit levels and women’s choice to have children. (See, for example, Urban Institute Policy and Research Report, Fall/93.) States providing relatively higher benefits do not show higher birth rates among recipients.” 

    From 5 Media Myths about welfare.  YUou can read more at the following link

    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1302

  • Anonymous

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Insurance_%28Japan%29

    Do you feel any remorse at all, for issuing a bald-faced lie? 

  • Anonymous

    those 3 sports choices were:
    boys basketball
    boys baseball and 
    boys football.

    oh, and look, those first astronauts were all men.  huh.  

    the good old days:  no thanks.

  • Anonymous

    Oh really? Can you tell us how much of our oil is coming from Iraq?  And what resource are we “stealing” from Afghanistan? Heroin?

  • Anonymous

    “Democracy means the right to do whatever you please without asking permission from anybody except your boss, your doctor, your lawyer, your landlord, your bank, your city, state and federal authorities, and your spouse and children.”
    -Sam Levenson

  • Anonymous

    Worse than they are?  The US ranks something like #30 for the health of its citizens.  Our system is a nightmare–something both Democrats and Republicans agree on.  That’s how bad and inhuman it is.

  • Anonymous

    What are you talking about?

      Estate tax in Maine is  assessed to estates over 1 million in value.  That’s 1/5 of the federal level. Maine is harsher on estates than the federals or other states.   And that ignores whether there should even be an estate tax.  After all, that is not earned income by the recipient and has already been taxed at least once when acquired by the deceased.

     In Maine what the estate tax does is prevent family farms and businesses from being handed down to the next generation.  Instead, they often must be broken up and sold to pay the tax.  So much for our agricultural heritage. 

  • Anonymous

    because sports teaches us sooooo much!!

    and because we also know that children have a better retention rate after they have had exercise.  so, the best way to increase the value of education is to add some physical exercise into the day.

  • pbmann

    Show me where unnecessary cosmetic surgery is being done under Medicare/Medicaid.

  • Anonymous

    In a discussion, it is not your right to start with the juvenile name-calling when you feel cornered or not able to see any other points. There are jobs for which Maine has no one able or even willing to fill. I will not stoop to your name calling, but you get the idea of what I think of your inability to respond without dropping into the gutter.

    I have flagged your comment for the moderator’s attention. You need to get a grip.

  • Anonymous

    That’s a lot of Superintendents, principals, asst principals and “curriculum coordinators”.  Good with me.

  • Anonymous

    wow.  extracurricular activities are important!  they provide a well rounded individuals, opportunities for civic engagement.  

  • Anonymous

    You lied above about Japan, and now you’re insulting me and saying I’ll fail before you even see my response?  Here’s the first ten.

    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ad-lib/2011/apr/10/tax-evaders-wall-shame/

    Here’s #1 on the list, in case you’re too lazy to go to the site:

    1. Bank of
    America took $336 billion in bailouts in 2009, but in 2010, flush with
    $4.4 billion in profits, it paid no taxes. Even Forbesmagazine asked, how
    is that possible? Probably thanks to their 115 offshore tax havens.

  • Anonymous

    the cheaper the drug test, the easier it is to fake it, that’s the truth.

    so, what’s the point then of testing if its not accurate?

  • Anonymous

    Powerful stuff, thank you.

  • Anonymous

    Well put, thank you!

  • pbmann

    Believe me, Education will be cut under this administration unless they are stopped.  He is setting up a straw man argument to get at education spending because he knows that people will not let people starve or freeze to death so “unfortunately” he will have to cut Education.

  • Anonymous

    lol.  employer drug tests are a JOKE!

  • Anonymous

    What they would be is responsible and productive, and with hard work, on their way to permanent income.

  • Anonymous

    when my disabled neighbor is flying a 747 you can drug test him.  in the mean time, i don’t see the point.

  • Anonymous

    What do you think about Christians who don’t practice birth control for religious reasons? — and strain the system?

  • Anonymous

    Did you time travel into the modern ages from the time of the Neanderthals, when everything was settled by the club? Honestly, that is exactly what you seem to be pushing.

  • Anonymous

    I wish we were all just paying a tax that let every American have the basics needed to survive.

  • Anonymous

    the point is that decisions were made that left her needing assistance and now feels “entitled” to government support. those decisions were not made by me or any other taxpayer, and leaves us responsible, when she could have 1) made better decisions, 2) seek help from family, 3) seek help from charitable organizations that look for these people to help.

    just like the government bailing out banks and businesses, the tax payer is not the party responsible for helping out (through government demanded taxes) everyone that finds themselves in need.

  • pbmann

    That national average is brought down by the benefits of the South.  I, for one, do not want to be like the South in anyting.

  • Anonymous

    I am, the topic of the two Wall Street bankers who were just convicted of fraud, which harmed tens of millions of US citizens. 

    You sound afraid to admit it, or deal with it.

  • pbmann

    Never, ever tell a Conservative that cutting taxes doesn’t solve everyting

  • Anonymous

    Agreed. But should they come out of the school budget? Perhaps some… theater, music, culture. But sports teams? You got to draw the line somewhere on discressionary spending.

  • Anonymous

    welfare and education make up 80 % of the budget. where are the cuts to come from? or do you believe that taxes are too low and need to increase to fund these budgets

  • Anonymous

    And, those income restrictions are the reason I call for welfare reform Whereas you may want to keep this broken system. Reforming welfare would benefit its recipients who truly deserve to be subsidized, even with medical care. Unfortunately, there are some sitting around making a career of accepting welfare. Don’t assume you know whether or not I understand; perhaps, it is you who is missing something regarding welfare.

  • Anonymous

    Engage blinders, Maximum strength!

  • Anonymous

    Forbes Magazine’s list of the nine happiest countries in the world.  includes only countries with health care for everyone, paid for with taxes.  The US ranks #30 in health in the world.  I don’t know who your Canadian friends are, but mine would never trade their benefits for the US way–

    And there are 50 million Americans right now who would love to be in the Canadian system, because these 50 million people do not have any health coverage at all.  Land of the free  — free to die because you can’t afford a doctor.

  • Anonymous

    and your solution?

  • Anonymous

    Um, AFDC doesn’t even exist anymore–you realize that, right? The laws covering welfare have radically changed.  

  • Anonymous

    It’s unconstitutional to test all memebers of a certain group because a few may be of a suspected undesirable class.

    It’s the same default in reasoning that was used to justify voter suppression efforts among typically Democrat voting areas consisting of certain classes of people.

    Turd Partiers would just as soon toss that Constitutional baby out.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I work full-time, take 3 classes in the evenings and am a single parent so I do not have time to go door to door to get names. And lets be real…DHHS will “investigate” them and they will request documentation of where said person lives if it is not with the welfare recipient. Said person will get a letter from a friend and the “investigation” will be over.

  • Anonymous

    Why not make each community pay for its own road upkeep?  Isn’t that the most libertarian and free system–or are you becoming a socialist?

  • Anonymous

    Personaly I don’t think a flat tax would help, and I’m pretty sure we could close loopholes with out a flat tax.  also I don’t think, any of this is class warfare or that I’m a communist for suggesting a tax hike for rich people.  I do understand that you and your political party are desparite to frame it that way.  Thanks for the point of veiw though.

    Couldn’t find those numbers huh?

  • Anonymous

    LOL

  • newportres

    Claiming that because the way one State did it was deemed to be wrong does not make the case that no one can ever do it right.
    It can be done and should be done.  If it can be done correctly for all of the rest of us there is no reason why it can not be done correctly for them.
    If we can not do it we can surely stop giving them our money.

  • Anonymous

    I’d like your reference.  In fact, the tax shelter situation today is as bad today as it gets.  Big corporations pay ZERO taxes.  Hedge fund managers, like Warren Bufet, pay 15%.  The ultra-rich put their money in Swiss Bank accounts and the Cayman Islands.

    And when taxes were 70% on the rich, the wealth was distributed evenly in the US.  It was our economic Golden Age.  Eisenhower built a National Highway System with tax money, much of it on the wealthy and corporations.

    Give me your source on your data.

  • Anonymous

    absolutely right. reading the comments here it is clear that many use this tactic often. as i commented our government is out of control. it spends way too much, it way too intrusive and blames anyone or thing to justify its existence.

    lepage is stating that welfare programs and education make up 80% of the budget, that its either welfare programs or education needing to be cut. which option do you like? which option would you support?
    is there some other answer that will solve the problem?

  • Anonymous

    Actually according to an article I read a while back (probably on NPR) that’s not true.  Although the extreme fiscal conservatives would have you believe it, and admittedly it does SOUND like it might be true, when it comes down to it something less than 10% of the “rich” leave.  And just as often they come back.

  • Anonymous

    i read the article.

  • pbmann

    Raising the minimum wages puts more money in the hands of people who are going to spend that money thus increasing demand which increases jobs.  Most manufacturing jobs already pay more than the minimum wage so they are not affected directly by an increase in minimum wage.

    Lowering or getting rid of the minimum wage would in no way increase jobs.  Most, if not all, businesses are currently staff with the necessary numbers of employees.  Lowering wages would only decrease the costs of doing business not increase the need for more employees.  Lowering or ending the minimum wage would cause a further collapse in the economy because there would be even less demand for items then there is already.  Less demand means less consumer spending which is 70% of teh economy.

    I talked to a long time friend who owns a small business and asked him if minimum wage was lowered or disappeared would he hire more people.  He said no, that he was already fully staffed and did not need more help unless demand increased which he knows would not happen if people wages were cut.  His bottom line would increase but not the number of employees.  And to qualify his opinion, he is conservative in his voting and beliefs.

    Edited for multiple spelling errors

  • Anonymous

    Are you becoming a socialist?  Shouldn’t each community pay for its own roads.  Why should my community pay for yours, if we don’t want to?

    You sound like a commie, taking my money for your improvements.

  • Briney

    He’s back – the Ultimatum Czar.  You people on Medicaid, and those of you getting a few bucks to buy a bottle of milk, had better watch out, or else, I’ll cut education funding.

    Does that make any sense?  

    Even worse – if it could be any worse – he tells universities and colleges to back his proposals to cut Medicaid and welfare.  Call your legislators and tell them to support me, he orders. 

    Professors and coaches at the state university pocket some pretty big salaries.  Today, the BDN showed that one coach will get more than $50,000 to coach softball.  Small stuff, when you consider most U of M faculty salaries swoop above the $100,000 bracket.

    Yet  Le Page is encouraging these people who are pulling down these huge salaries to attack the poor. The other day he wanted applicants for welfare to be drug tested. 

     The class war continues across the country.  Eight GOP candidates for president have targeted Social Security and Medicare on their kill lists – if elected.

    Le Page is merely carrying out the ultimatum of his tea party-controlled GOP to wage war on the middle class and poor.

    Hopefully the opposition will shoot down this latest tasteless mandate.

  • Anonymous

    The US Military is one of the most socialist systems in the world–I’m glad you approve!

  • midmainer

    LePage just doesn’t have a clue, this is not how government works. it’s not one thing, or else. If a thinking leader wants to cut expenses he/she would look at the total picture. Find departments that have too many supervisors, cut back on state vehicles and gas cards, limit expense accounts, look very hard at the huge amount of real estate that is used by government employees, cut back on the number of office spaces that the state pays leases on. Then look at each departments budget, find ways to share staff and support between departments, perahps it makes no sense to have PR spokespersons in so many different offices, and some ofices with so many people doing PR.
    If you want to serve the needs of your citizens you’ll look at all those things before you slash into programs that benefit the populace.Of course if what you want to do is play to the myth, lies and scare tactics about costs of “entitlements” so  that your extreme right base will continue to support you, then you’re on the right track already Paul.

  • Anonymous

    Well put!

  • pbmann

    If being a teacher is so good and easy, why are you not a teacher?

  • Anonymous

    Why are you avoiding the issue of drug tests for Wall Street bankers who got hundreds of millions in subsidies?

  • Anonymous

    It’s less than 1%.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DQYJRNTL4E3A3B7OXXQVK74HZM Kathy S

    Yes, lots of corporate fast food places have jobs open. They are part-time, minimum wage, no benefits. If you are a young unemployed parent/parents trying to get by in the world, relying for now on assistance, under the current system taking one of these jobs will guarantee you only one thing; the loss of your benefits. You and your children will be worse off than before you took one of these so-called jobs. And as posted before, you will also have to pay for childcare, transportation and dozens of small expenses connected to your “job”.

    In other times this kind of thing was called indentured servitude when practice by the public. I think when practiced by the government and its corporate handlers it should be called just what it is, slavery. Don’t think for a minute that TPTB don’t know exactly how much these jobs offer and just where to set the income bar for assistance. Its a nasty little corporate/government game played using the poor as pawns. Since it has been played for so long it amazes me that more people don’t get it. It is pretty obvious if you take the time to look.

  • Anonymous

    So, you’re for a welfare state for children, right?

  • Anonymous

    The Military is a purely socalist system.  I’m glad you approve!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    Cut welfare!!!! Make people get a job! GO LePAGE

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    TANF- TEMPORARY assistance to needy families……why are they on it for 5 friggen years????? GET A JOB!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DQYJRNTL4E3A3B7OXXQVK74HZM Kathy S

    So, do you have any job openings? If you do, do you advertise them? I am not trying to disparage you, I just want to know. I realize that you are talking about a slightly different thing, putting the onus on the job hunter, not the job creator, but most people looking for work rely on postings regarding the availability of jobs, rather than run/call willy nilly trying to track one down.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    In order for an addict to quit he has to hit bottom. If the governmnet keeps funding him he will not…CUT THE PROGRAMS!!!!! ps….I am an addict clean for 5 years because I hit bottom. 

  • pbmann

    There are many reasons for being a single parent besides what you are insinuating.

    Married a bad man/women who was abusive.
    Spouse died.
    Spouse left for another person.

    And none of the options you suggested would help her in her situation.  Churches will not support a family, they may give small amounts of food and a little financial help but most churches do not have teh financial ability to help more than that.

    Friends and neighbors can only help so much, if the person is wiling to bear her problems to them in teh first place, and hopefully her nieghors are like you, willing to help a single parent out without blaming them for their situation.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    I have called on people and nothing happens.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    CUT UNEMPLOYMENT ALSO!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    It isnt his fault if people dont make enough money. They can get a trade. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    Yes you can unfortunately

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    If you cannot support a family dont have one but dont have one and expect me to support them. 

  • Anonymous

    Our welfare system in Maine is out of control.  Many (not saying all) people abuse this system and something needs to be done.  Changes need to be made.  In my job I see these people every day abusing the system, seeking drugs, and doing whatever they can to become ‘disabled’ so they don’t have to work and can get everything for free. It’s sickening really.  LePage will be my hero if he can make even half of these lazy system-sucking people get a freakin job and yes DRUG TEST THEM PLEEEAAAASE!

  • Anonymous

    Take for instance the Duggars with their soon to be 20 children. I do believe they are self supporting though. Also the polygamist family on TV with 17  children by one man and 4 wives.  Since they were forced out of Utah and resettled in Las Vegas, they are hurting for money so they claim. They all lost their jobs when it became known they were polygamists.

  • amcona

    I think it is time to recall the Governor. He seems to be against anything for education or the poor in our state. What we need is soemeone  that has the guts to stand up to buisnesses that get a free tax ride. These people come into Maine-get a tax break and then sell out. There are enough hard working poor people that deserve a break. Most of them have lost their jobs or can’t work. As for the welfare rools? Make them take a drug test. If they are on drugs take them off the free ride. If they can afford drugs they do not need welfare. I feel bad for the children. I am sure there is enough fat in the budget to cut with out hurting the children or the poor.

  • Anonymous

    Roxanne Quimby was right. After 30 years of democrat control Maine is nothing but a welfare state. The marxist morons in this State will probably start trying to repeal LePage as if that action would fix the budget somehow. The point is this welfare layabouts; we’re OUT OF MONEY and one way or the other your benefits are going bye bye. Deal with it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DQYJRNTL4E3A3B7OXXQVK74HZM Kathy S

    Please get off that tired rant. The people who couldn’t afford their loans at the outset were few and far between. The people who lost their jobs and then couldn’t afford their loans are another story. Please read up on some financial/economic facts and stop vomiting up Fox News talking points. It is tiresome and really does make those who do so seem a bit dim.

  • Anonymous

    You referenced a woman in your comment. If this woman has a child or children they will need  some sort of day care, she will need transportation to the job, she will also need presentable clothes to wear to work, she has to buy food, fuel, health care for herself and children, pay rent. The list goes on and on. She could perhaps get a job paying $8 to $10 an hour. How will she even break even on that, she will no doubt be in the hole every single month if she lasts that long. I don’t know anything about this woman,  and neither do you, so don’t judge her.

  • http://twitter.com/TheGuardianMH The Guardian

    And when all the families end up homeless, he can deliver food to them too and feel proud.   How about cut his salary in half too?  Lots of money being wasted in this state on other things.

  • http://twitter.com/TheGuardianMH The Guardian

    I suggest a new law — the Governor’s job should be a volunteer, unpaid position.   Anyone else agree?? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DQYJRNTL4E3A3B7OXXQVK74HZM Kathy S

    Oh, great idea!! Are you personally going to pay the moving expenses and support for someone who has no job nor money to begin with to just pick up and move their family to a different place, (read that as “NIMBY”) where they might or might not find that elusive living wage job?

    What a maroon!

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps I sounded a bit too harsh with that post, but the point is that if we dont reform our welfare and entitlement programs they are going to bankrupt our State and Federal governments. Then nobody gets any benefits.

  • Anonymous

    Suffice it to say everyone wants a system that works.

    Unfortunately, the nonsensical income restrictions remain in place and preclude recipients from advancing beyond their particular pigeon hole.

    In order to make a career of collecting benefits, illegally, one would have to devote themselves to the task 24/7/365.

    For most folks, however, the fact that it is Federal crime, punishable by any number of combined penalties, fines, and/or jail time is enough to deter the average poor, disabled, elderly person in need.

    Abuse of the system is not the problem.  It’s the glaring lack of jobs, in Maine and elsewhere, that would ordinarily pay a decent wage and support a continuing middle class along with added loss of significant tax revenue all over this country.

    I dare say, the only ones making a designated ‘career’ of ripping off the American people are the well paid investment shysters on Wall Street etc

  • Anonymous

    This is really important testimony — I hope you get to public in a public forum, or that the BDN does a story on your perspective.

    This is too good to be buried in this forum.

    The people you are debating with will never ‘get it’–but others readers do. Don’t be discouraged by the wall of denial you get in here.

  • pbmann

    BDNisbiased needs to learn to read a dictionary.  He thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a Marxist

  • Anonymous

    UNFREAKINGBELEIVEABLE!!! This guy is an idiot!! Attack MaineCare?!?! How about forcing those on MaineCare go to the least expensive pharmacy, or limit the amount of ER visits, or perhaps provide PREVENTATIVE care instead of waiting for something to get so bad that it cost more to do a bandaid fix?!

    Speaking as a single mother of 3 that depends on MaineCare to keep me from falling on my face, there are some of us that really need this coverage. I have a child with special needs who has very costly medical expenses. I do not utilize every bit of MaineCare that I could get either. I pay for dental visits at a sliding scale fee, I pay for my own prescriptions. I buy my own OTC’s when we need them. I do pay for some of the medical care on my own. BUT the benefits at my  job are just too pricey to pay for on my one income.

    I work at a very respected mental health agency. I have a college education, I work full time. I drive a crappy falling apart car, pay a high rent, all my utility bills and put food on my table BY MYSELF. MaineCare allows that for me. Insurance for my family at my job cost over $200 a week, add in copayments and all my money I make would go for insurance and daycare costs. By cutting out people, such as myself, from being able to receive services like this you’re only doing more harm. Either I’ll be forced to get a 2nd job and rely on someone else to raise my children while I work myself to the bone or I could be one of the ones that loses everything.

  • Anonymous

    SpruceDweller you are way too hung up on what everyone else has….stop the jealously get off your behind and work …We are all given the same opportunity to succeed in this country some are just lazy and seem fixated on those who have done the work to succeed…and somehow these lazy people seem entitled to what others have worked hard to obtain…These handouts have got to stop!!!! They should also cut unemployment benefits as well….give some incentive to get off your but and work….Heck if you are under 32 and sucking off society then you should have to serve in the military…

  • Anonymous

    It is very expensive to do drug testing.  I worked in forensic mental heath for the State of CT for 36 years.  We regularly did drug & alcohol testing on those incarcerated in the State Hospital.  It cost $195 every time a test was done.  This is not cheap.

  • Anonymous

    LePage, start with cutting your overpaid daughter’s job first.

  • Anonymous

    We dropped the A bomb.. varporized them rebuilt them and sent our manufacturing over to help them… look at our most productive citys like detroit…looks like an Abomb was dropped on it.

  • pbmann

    The average recipient of TANF is a newly divorced mother of two children who is on assistance for 21 months until she can get her feet back underneath her.  

    In 2006 TANF was 1.3% of the Maine Budget (Latest figures I could find).  It has gone up since then because of the economy but pays less than $400 a month in benefits for a family of 4.  You can not own a car worth more than $1500 and you have to work 30 hours a week or lose some of your benefits. 

    How do you suggest people making minimum wages do not have families?  Are you willing to help them with contraception? Or are they not to have sex until they can afford children?

  • pbmann

    The average family size of a person on TANF is 1.8 children, the average for Maine is 1.78 and the national average is 1.86.  Yet republicans keep saying that women are having children to geet more money yet the average is on slighty higher than Maine is general and lower than the national average.

  • pbmann

    I am guessing you are from NJ.  A study in 1996 showed that AFDC payments had no effect on the number of children born to women on assistance.  Lower amounts for the number of children did not lower the number of children born to mothers on AFDC. 

    Yet conservatives still say that women have more children to get more money on welfare.  Facts, the enemy of “common sense Republicans”.

  • Anonymous

    I will not agree that education spending has gotten out of control.  In my opinion we could never spend enough on educating our nation.  What has gotten out of control is our foreign policy and the incessent need to be the world’s cop and the amount of money we through to other nations for whatever they want.

  • Anonymous

    We’re not looking for help, but we are in plain view of a major highway.  From my point of view there is certainly a trend of people not actively seeking work.  It is my belief that the increase in social programs over the past decade has either made people better off not working, or just made them lazy.  It’s probably a combination of the two.

  • pbmann

    No, you can’t and in fact if you become unemployed for any reason other than lack of work you have to be interveiwed to see if you can get unemployment.  If you are found to be responsible for your unemployment you can not recieve unemployment for 6 months or until you have work 5 consectutive weeks.

  • Anonymous

    ya, well I wonder how the internet, and laptops, shuttle missions and cell phones were then?   The world changes daily, but some things do not.  Teen pregnancy has happened since the beginning of time.

  • Anonymous

    Go get yourself a new personality at Walmart or something.  Cuz the one you have now is useless.    I read that.

  • newportres

    I am for a complete end to the government theft of my money to provide for those who will not provide for themselves.
    I am for taking children away from parents who would rather feed their addictions than care for their children.
    It could not possibly cost us more money to raise their children right than it does to continue to allow them to teach their children how to ride for free.

  • newportres

    He is taking my money, I would like to be sure he isn’t supporting the drug problems in our neighborhoods.

  • Anonymous

    Who died and left you in charge? Your comments aren’t helping this lady, you don’t know and don’t want to know what her problems are. She is obviously doing her best, give her a little credit for it.

  • newportres

    I don’t believe that issue was ever raised before now.  Please show me where you asked me about it and I missed it.
    Why do you insist on changing the subject every half hour?

  • Anonymous

    dodd, frank and getting the precious Obama elected is what crashed this economy.People have to get off this why do you have more than me thing.Maybe the rich are getting richer because they are working for it. Instead of worrying about what george soros or warren buffet are doing maybe making your own fortune just might come to mind.Stop blaming others for taking chances and succeeding, we all have that same opportunity. Some just make different decisions in life.others chose to make money . To think that they owe someone else for their success is ludicrous. we need to Stop blaming others for our failures.

  • Anonymous

    If you scroll up you’ll see you asked a question and I answered it. LePage increased the exemption level to 2 million, not a million. It’s pretty clear you are lacking in the fact based knowledge department.

    And cool it with your fringe right empty rhetoric. This wasn’t done because farmers were crying about the demise of the state’s heritage. That’s a lie. Your “double taxed” thing is also a lie. Should I refuse to pay a sales tax when I buy a new pair of boots because the store already paid taxes on the item? Because the manufacturer already paid taxes on the materials?

  • Anonymous

    Read her post again. She’s concerned with the  thousands of little kids who just happen to constitute a major portion of the indigent population. What sort of trade should they get? How about Oliver Twist’s trade? Turn them over to Fagin, that’ll do it! Good grief, have we not gotten beyond the mid-nineteenth century in that regard? For a brief moment, from the New Deal to the Age of Gipper-Bubba-Bushes-Obama I thought we had begun to. I was wrong. Was Vonnegut perhaps right when he wrote that our race’s epitaph might read “we could have saved the world, but we were too lazy and too cheap”?

  • newportres

    I don’t believe that is true.
    Personal observation alone would suggest that isn’t true.
    I would rather end welfare completely though so the drug testing really is just a means to an end as far as I am concerned.

  • newportres

    I do approve of the military.
    Looks like we have one thing in common at least.

  • newportres

    I’d challenge you to prove your point on that but we have no way to do it.
    With proper observation and no notice random testing you wouldn’t stand a chance against a decent program with an off the shelf kit.
    And that’s the truth.

  • newportres

    You’re repeating yourself.

  • newportres

    Watch our news and on a per capita basis I think we will see a higher result.
    If even 2% of welfare takers are using my money for drugs or using my money to buy the things they need like food so that they can spend their money on drugs I want them to stop getting my money.

  • Anonymous

    You’re correct. I am cold hearted towards people who won’t help themselves and refuse to get their priorities in order. Satellite tv is not a priority, Xbox is not a priority, cell phones are not a priority, and the kicker is the welfare queen down the road who took her two children to Disneyland with her earned income tax credit, and now is whining about heating assistance. The rest of us had to prepare for winter, but she expected that we would heat her trailer for her as we always do. Well guess what? Not going to happen this year.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t watch FOX much but just google “subprime mortgage crisis”. Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis. If it doesn’t convince you I would be willing to listen to any contstructive information you want to provide. At least reference something to make your case instead of “ranting”.

  • Anonymous

      Going to the leaders of Maine’s institutes of higher education and threatening to cut their funding unless they make the legislature “fix” LePage’s budget  is beyond childish.  It smacks of blackmail.  Is LePage so weak an administrator that he can’t lead a legislature  composed of his own party  to get to work on party business?   

  • Anonymous

    BS. Exactly how much do you think someone flipping hamburgers should make anyway? How are they stealing from you? Should they require a degree to push the Big Mac button on the register?
    Ever hear of getting a second job if you don’t make enough at Mcdonalds? Why does a second job seem to be out of the question these days? Many of us have had them when times were tough. Should I get a second job to help you with your family? Or should you?

  • Anonymous

    Aren’t these people agreeing to be tested because they want  jobs that put other individuals at risk if performed under the infuence of drugs. There is a big difference between that and requiring some one to take a drug test because they happen to be down on their luck through no fault of there own. I worked on the welfare sytem for 31 years and I can assure you that the vast majority of recipients are people just like you who happen to need a little help.  It’s very sad world indeed when you can not have a little compassion for your fellow men, women and children. I pity you.

  • Anonymous

    As a parent of two children in the Bangor school department, they can’t afford to be slashing their budget. I want my children to have a good education. If you don’t agree with Lepage you are an abuser of the system. I’m sorry, but if you were to spend a little time watching these degenerates on welfare you would understand why welfare benefits need to be cut back and the system needs to be reformed.

  • Anonymous

    Why do you feel like Lepage has no idea how to govern? I am proud to finally have someone in office that is going to step up and change the way the system is run. I am sick of seeing young losers on welfare popping out kids for a paycheck.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting that you used the term “trickle down”, when that was one of Ronald Reagan’s pet phrases used to describe cutting taxes to business so their spending on growing their business would “trickle down” to the working class.

  • Anonymous

    Why? Because I think people need to be responsible for themselves? Because I think assistance should be very temporary? Because I have a problem if someone already on welfare continues to have children at our expense?
    How about if everyone gets (1) mistake, and if you continue to have children with no means to support them, you still get the same amount of money as for one. Have all you wish. But then you can also have free birth control delivered to your door. Would that plan work?

  • Anonymous

    I live across the street from welfare housing.. these people disgust me, and it’s high time we started slashing their benefits.. I see help wanted all over Bangor. They can flip burgers!
     

  • Anonymous

    Gov. LePage says, “Eighty percent of the budget is Medicaid and welfare and education,” he said.

    Well, shouldn’t the people’s tax monies be spent on the people’s needs?

    As to “jobs,” the State should shut down the so-called “economic development” agencies and buy up old farms and put families on these farms who have lost their homes to bank foreclosures.  Everyone needs to eat.  With the price of grocery store food going up and up, we need to grow our own food here in Maine.

    Then ask us organic farmers to help them learn how to farm – both food crops and animals.  Most of us are happy to help others get started in growing organic crops as the market demand is overwhelming for clean food grown without toxic chemicals. 

    That would re REAL economic development, not the holding lots of meetings and talking a lot that passes for “economic development” now.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F7VMUU5NIDG3Y2AUPJUMBJY7B4 JEFF

    it’s to bad that the people of Maine are stupid they just shot down multiple casino options meaning multiple hunreds of jobs for years and millions in revenue to the state. the state of conn with foxwoods and mohegan sun rake in over 300 million to the state. but up here my fellow mainers would rather have the services cut and taxes raised and for the thousands that have only maine care tough crap for you to.Time to wake up temprance didn’t work many years ago and it still does not work.In god we trust but all others pay CASH!

  • Anonymous

    I wish we were all equal and paid exactly the same amount. Everyone.

  • Anonymous

    And how are we going to pay for ours after we bail Europe out because they spent themselves into oblivian on theirs?

  • Anonymous

    And you consider the 20 ‘degenerates’ you see living across from you as causing the $71,000,000 shortfall in the Dept. of Health and Human services?  You don’t see LePage’s mismanagement of government,  lack of intelligent planning and the failure of his appointees to use available data to predict coming funding needs as a problem?  It’s just those “disgusting degenerates” sucking $71million out of the economy.  

  • Anonymous

    Well there goes LePage’s stellar idea of a 5th year of high school.  BTW, if you think education is expensive ,you should try ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    if they will hire them  ??

  • Anonymous

    Did you read what NotesfromME said above?  That person gave a 1st person testimony as the CFO of a large mortgage bank.  Read the post above!!!

  • Anonymous

    BDN should run a story on you.  I have no affiliation with them at all, or contact, but sometimes they run stories on folks in these forums.  Thanks for your wisdom.

  • Anonymous

    Golden parachute deals have got to stop.  Supposedly we have to pay these types of salaries because these people are geniuses, and can’t be easily replaced. Geniuses? More like crooks!

  • Anonymous

    You want all these people drawing from the state to get a job who will pay for all of them to get training ?? they can’t afford to pay for it if they are drawing state severes. How many of theres people to you expect to have a 20,000  dept to pay back after they do get trained  how long would it take these people to pay it back  ?? Who says after these people get trained that they will get hired  ??  Would you expect a  60 year old man on unemployment to run up a 20,000 dept to get train for a job ?? Even now high school kids are thinking about the cost of an education because they do not want all the dept to start out with in life  .

  • Anonymous

    Nice ideal, cleanearth, but do you really believe a meaningful number of assistance recipients are willing to move to a farm and grow their own food?  But, what if you offer organic food in exchange for someone needy that works on your land?  Work for food… now, there’s a concept!

  • Anonymous

    That’s it. Cut the sick, infirmed and elderly and blackmail us with the kids. Don’t do in real work though.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F7VMUU5NIDG3Y2AUPJUMBJY7B4 JEFF

    mass does it right they allow people ” welfare” and give them free education for two years to be able to get a job to allow them to leave the system.Maine does not offer anything the joke for those that go to the job centers no jobs and no money for retraining. the career counselor admits there is nothing. the logging company’s are raping of forests,Canada loggers are getting the work,fuel cost are killing the truckers everywhere and in aroostoock county they have to dead head to Bangor or below just to get a load.the potato farmers are upgrading and the equipment being used needs less people have I missed any of the major employers in maine. Nobody I’ve talked to wants a free ride they want to work and earn a good wage,how anyone in america thinks that anyone can live and support a family on less than 10Hr but the brave soles of us mainers have had to for to long.

  • Anonymous

    When nothing happens, climb the ladder to the top.  Then the AG office for fraud.  Noise will get a response.

  • Anonymous

    This is standard, ignorant nonsense.  Bush Jr. gave out the first billions to the banks just before he left office so Obama would get blamed, and the crash took place in 2008 when Bush, Jr. was still in office.

      I didn’t vote for Obama (supported the honest candidate, Nader) and don’t like the wars he’s continued and created and wouldn’t support him this time, either, , etc., etc., but you need to look things up before making untrue statements.  

    And, oh, yeah, if I work really, really hard, I, too, can become a billionaire – - and all without anyone’s help, right?  Without using public and publicly-paid-for waterways and air for my toxic wastes, publicly paid-for roads, bridges, schools to train workers to read, etc., and the labor of others?  You see how this is not possible? 

    The only way to become “rich” in money is to make money off other people’s labor.  You pay them, say, $5. an hour so they make $200 a week, your other business expenses are  about $200 a week, you sell 100 of the products they made that week for $12. apiece, so your gross is $1,200, your net profit is $800. per week. 

    All for you, and all from the labor of others, not you. 

    This is why cooperatives are much better than corporations; all the workers own the company and share in whatever profits come about from selling their products.  So much more democratic and honest and FAIR.  

  • Anonymous

    Lies?  It never takes long for the leftties to start name calling instead of debate does it. You seem to be unaware that the Governor hsas no authority to pass laws, the Legislature does that.

    As for facts try this from the Maine revenue service: 

    Income/Estate Tax

    Estate Tax

    Maine imposes a tax on estates (gross estate plus prior
    taxable gifts) valued more than $1,000,000 (for deaths in and after
    2006) for all decedents with property taxable to Maine. The Maine
    estate tax is applied even if there is no federal estate tax. For those
    estates (gross estate plus adjusted taxable gifts plus Maine elective
    property) with a value equal to or below the taxable threshold
    (currently $1,000,000) and that have real or tangible personal property
    in Maine, you may obtain a lien release for that property by filing Form
    706EZ-ME.

    Its the law, and has been for years.

    http://www.maine.gov/revenue/incomeestate/estate/index.htm

  • Goodland

    Various contributors here have chortled about Ohio and its recent election results, but the bottom line is that Ohio is essentially bankrupt. And notwithstanding some sort of extraordinary fiscal event that will increase government revenues, Maine will soon follow.  With Maine’s DHHS having a $71 million shortfall, and other programs soon to follow, something has to give.

    Eventually, Maine taxpayers who have no pension and no income security will grow tired of supporting state employees who do.

    A reality check is coming — liberal contributors can run amok, like those in Greece — but the day of reckoning is on the horizon, and smart SIEU/Union folks should be anticipating this reckoning rather than keeping their heads inserted in their lower abdominal apertures.

  • Anonymous

    businesssavvy – here’s what I replied to timjy above when he put forth the same propaganda as you have:

    This is standard, ignorant nonsense.  Bush Jr. gave out the first billions to the banks just before he left office so Obama would get blamed, and the crash took place in 2008 when Bush, Jr. was still in office. 

    I didn’t vote for Obama (supported the honest candidate, Nader) and don’t like the wars he’s continued and created and wouldn’t support him this time, either, , etc., etc., but you need to look things up before making untrue statements. 

     And, oh, yeah, if I work really, really hard, I, too, can become a billionaire – - and all without anyone’s help, right?  Without using public and publicly-paid-for waterways and air for my toxic wastes, publicly paid-for roads, bridges, schools to train workers to read, etc., and the labor of others?  You see how this is not possible?

      The only way to become “rich” in money is to make money off other people’s labor. 

    You pay them, say, $5. an hour so they make $200 a week, your other business expenses are  about $200 a week, you sell 100 of the products they made that week for $12. apiece, so your gross is $1,200, your net profit is $800. per week. 

    All for you, and all from the labor of others, not you.

     This is why cooperatives are much better than corporations; all the workers own the company and share in whatever profits come about from selling their products.  So much more democratic and honest and FAIR.
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  • Anonymous

    We are spending more than we have.  Who is going to cover the difference?  Where do you think the money is going to come from?  Does it suck?  Heck yeah it does! But we can’t spend what we don’t have.  So, what is ok to cut?  What will we go without? 

  • Anonymous

    Mr. LePage, Why don’t you try cutting you and your coworkers paychecks? I’d be willing to bet that would save this State more money than any program running.

  • Anonymous

    More high school kids should think about going to voc schools like EMCC, living home, working part time and paying their way through school.  Then they will have a skill and options and manageable, if any, debt.  

  • Anonymous

    They do like the bullying style!

  • newportres

    I think the people taking our money should “agree” as you put it to being tested or they don’t get to take my money.
    As for the “down on their luck” I grew up in the system so please don’t tell me about “their luck”.
    You make the choice to drop out of school in the 10th grade and develop and party lifestyle which leads to early pregnancy and condemns your children to mediocrity as their best case expectation in life.  How’s that for “your bad luck”.
    But instead of encouraging them to work hard and get off the teet many teach them how not to work and how to get on it.  
    Give em their first beer when they are 5 cause it’s fun to watch them get a little tipsy, then laugh and show them how much positive attention they get when they are drunk.
    Throw in the abusive pigs you meet in the bar and bring home after knowing them for 2 drunken hours and you get to show your kids a whole new side of life.  If they are “lucky” they will get a real sex education out of it as well.
    Etc…….
    You should pity them and stop enabling that culture by supporting it.

  • Anonymous

    Your argument and premise, beyond irrational hate for the Governor,  also fails the Revenue Service analysis of his tax proposals. Again, he makes proposals, not law.

    “According to estimates prepared by Maine Revenue Services, the
    proposals will result in income tax relief for virtually every Maine
    resident, except for a handful of the wealthiest residents. In addition,
    it will remove a full 70,000 households from the income tax rolls.
    The center also maintains that the top 10 percent of taxpayers will
    receive 44 percent of the tax cuts. Accepting that number, who are the
    10 percent it regards as wealthy?

    Any family that earns more than roughly $119,000. That could be a
    couple who are paper mill workers. Or, in some school districts, it
    could be a couple who are both teachers. Or it could be a small business
    owner.

    Ask those people if they think they are wealthy. I think you know the answer.

    In reality, according to Maine Revenue Services, the proposals will
    actually increase the percentage of Maine’s tax burden that will be paid
    by that “wealthy” 10 percent from just over 55 percent to nearly 57
    percent of the total. The percentage of the burden paid by all other
    income groups will actually decline.”

    Portland Press Herald.

    http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/lepages-tax-reform-plan-helps-almost-every-mainer-pay-less_2011-05-30.html

  • Anonymous

    Great comments.

  • Anonymous

    No, I don’t think so.

  • Anonymous

    Well, how about this, for one thought (I’m sure others could add many): 

    Let’s say owners/managers of McDonald’s, Walmart and other cheapo products pay their employees $8 an hour. 

    The owner/manager does take more responsibility for the place and keeps it running. 

    So why couldn’t the owner/manager pay themselves double that, $16 an hour, or even triple, $24 an hour,  instead of $50 or $100 or $10,000 an hour ($20,800,000 per year, not unusual for CEOs in the likes of Goldman-Sachs, et al)?

    In other words, pay should be FAIR, ensuring that all share when the company does well. 

    Sign on Old Grange Hall:  NOTHING WITHOUT LABOR.

  • Anonymous

    Both parties are to blame.  Let’s forget political parties and run good people as Independents on the issues that need dealing with.  Enough of this silly partisanship where Repubs. and Dems. will only vote what their party leaders tell them to.

  • Anonymous

    Likewise, Wells Fargo has paid no taxes since 2008, yet accepted bailout money.  Before you ask for sources, just google it.  It’s really easy to find this information.

  • Anonymous

     Your days must be like months wasting your little brain all day long searching wikipedia.
    Put all the spin you want on , japan does not hand out “welfare” and disability like the US. in the Us you lose a finger you get disability. my neighbor as lazyu as they come lost an eye he is on ssi… but very caple to do cash jobs. i know some who were born with only 1 eye and work full time

    Now. My brother in law who is a grain broker for oats into japan and to other asia countries and his wife is Japanese from japan not american bred, she has a hard time to speak english. Japan does not give disability check to to sit on your butttt for anybody that is able.  because you are simply out of work or for an eye loss or finger. except for a sunami maybe. you will be put to cleanup detail as her brothers are doing.  They will make you work picking garbage in exchange for pay. the only ones who get entitlement are elderly retires, and most them still work helping family member, (japan still works on the old system of going to FAMILY MEMBERS for support).. others who receive are totally disabled who cannot work physically or even behind a desk as she told us. You can have 3 generations living in one home al helpoing each other.. some single mothers get help if they have a young child and no husband…..and theystill are expected to work part time not make more babies. so don’t give your partial spin without telling the whole story. you as usual only read what you want to hear… and tell only what you want to hear.

  • Anonymous

    Working part time at 8 bucks an hour see how far that will get you by the time all the taxs are taken an paying you folks a week to living at home. Would you tell the same thing to a 60 year old person that’s laid off  ??

  • Anonymous

    then move out………… move to japan they will get your hini to work. Move to iraq

  • Anonymous

    Good.

  • Anonymous

    He needs to help get employment to MORE  than those on state aid and those who just can’t seem to get jobs due to ” experience” problems.  No one can afford to go to college to get “experience” to throw a pizza or take a “test” to work at Walmart. But there are plenty of people willing to work out there, the employers need to show they care about the Maine people and start hiring those willing to work regardless of their experience. How many people have experience making pizza, unless you have worked at a pizza joint in the past, no one has experience except in their own homes which dosen’t count.  EMPLOYERS  need to help start training some of these people to get the economy jumpstarted. The unemployed have no control over this but at the same time are trying to locate work.  We are all equal so lets start helping each other in this time of need!!! Come On Maine!!!

  • Anonymous

    All the world’s religions (unless you listen to a TV evangelist who says it’s all okay whatever you do, just so you send them money) tell their followers to help the poor.  It is required, aside from being the moral thing to do. 

    Selfishness and gluttony are rampant now amongst those who are hoarding their riches.  To what end, I ask?  How many beds can one person sleep in, how much food can they eat, how many homes can they live in?  

    The one and only really important moral and religious (by all religions) rule is to treat others as you would be treated.

    You may find yourself in a bad situation some day and wish others would help you.  I hope they do so you can see the value in human kindness towards others in need. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    No that’s the Republican filibuster.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t mischaracterize what I’ve said. I don’t hate LePage and there is nothing from my comments that suggests so. Disagreement is NOT disdain. 

    I said why I think your point referring to an estate tax as a double tax is stupid. I also think it is stupid that now you’re trying to change the subject to different kinds of taxes. Keep copy and pasting all you want, it doesn’t mean what you’re saying is relevant. The topic was tax cuts for the wealthy. I brought up the estate tax exemption that was raised under LePage from 1 million to 2 million. I would regard that as someone who is wealthy. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    They are wealthier because they have completely gamed the system to further their standing. They have lobbied the Congress into their pockets, and they have been awarded personhood in the form of a corporation by THEIR “Supreme” Court. They stand unaccountable before the scales of justice and mock the truth.

  • Anonymous

    speaking of ignorant posts….take a look at yours, which says……nothing about the article at all. But you really don’t bother me and I’m somewhat ashamed to lower myself to respond to your ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    And it never takes long for the ignorant to start making their sweeping generalizations. 

  • pbmann

    I know two people who work at Hollywood Slots.  They make less than minimum wage plus tips and do not get 40 horus/week.  Yes, we meed more jobs like that.

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately your company probably requires some sort of experience to get that “minimum” wage job. If your company was looking for people it should consider everyone ( even the people that aren’t worth the $4.00 an hour) As long as they aren’t on bath salts or other type drugs. We are an equal America but yet people getting minimum wage don’t seem to be equal in our world. If your not a “sports player”  “a movie star”  “or  a rich politician” you are nothing and no one wants to help. If it wasn’t for the  lower -middle class income people that watch movies and sports events that support the rich upper class. They would have monies and our economy would be worth more. When you make 100,ooo or more per game or movie, someone is profitting. The middle class is supporting the upper class, but the upper class won’t support the middle class. HuH!  STOP BUYING MOVIES and going to sports events. They are getting rich off people that can’t afford it.  Anyways I hope your company gives people a chance that don’t have experience. They need to take the time to give people a chance and TRAIN them to become experienced because after all who can afford college in todays times and your in the older generation?

  • pbmann

    75% get off TANF before 5 years, there are many reasons why the remaining 25% may not be able to.  I would guess, and this is only guess, that most of the long term TANF recipients have a disability of somekind that makes it difficult to get off TANF.

  • Anonymous

    I am wondering how some people are too proud to get jobs in fast food but aren’t too proud to collect state aid….there are hard working people that need the assistance and can’t get it because others are making a living off of it.
    Yes it is sad that it has come to drug testing people and it isn’t fair to the honest people who receive aid but it will help protect people from abusing the system in the long run and hopefully encourage people to get the help they need with their addictions so they can receive the help.

  • pbmann

    So that people will be forced to work for minimum wage jobs that don’t give 40 hours per week or benefits. 

    Then we can cut minimum wages by using the “Training Wage” for 6 month then let those workers go becasue they were not trained enough. 

    Then we can either watch the number of homeless and people in poverty rise or help them out with social safety nets.

    Yes, I see your logic.

  • Anonymous

    State employees have pensions, but DO NOT receive Social Security.  Do you think those currently collecting Social Security paid in what they are collecting?  No, they are collecting much more than they paid in.  So why do you have no problem supplementing Social Security, which is YOUR pension, and not a stateworkers pension, which they paid into just like you pay into Social Security?

  • Anonymous

    Funny you say “are we going to continue until we are like Africa?” I have been wondering the same thing lately, except I see things a little differently.

    Our wealth gap has become so large that there is no comparison anywhere in Asia or Europe…do you know where the countries are that have similarly large wealth gaps? You guessed it, AFRICA. 

    Furthermore, it has been proven that economies with such wealth gaps do not do well…can’t argue with that, I mean, look at Africa…for god sake, look at us! It’s no wonder the welfare polls are increasing then.

  • Anonymous

    We have a minimum wage don’t we? So what your saying is people who are on welfare shouldn’t take jobs unless it is worth their time. This is exactly why people aren’t getting off welfare! Why work for meager living when you can get it sitting home!?! Its ridiclous to even mention if they are ‘livable wages.’ Anything should be livable compared to welfare, but the fact is welfare is too livable. Haven’t you heard the saying…..beggars cant be choosers?? And I don’t mean that all people on welfare are beggars, just that if you are on welfare and truly wanted to work, you would take what you could get, minimum wage or not.

  • Anonymous

    I made my first visit to Hollywood Slots today and it was deserted.  There were many empty seats at the buffet and at the slot machines.  There’s no way Maine can afford any more casinos. 

  • pbmann

    Actually I was wrong.  6 times as many TANF recipients leave the state then enter the state. 

  • Anonymous

    As I said above, I went to Hollywood Slots today.  They were not very busy, but the people who work there are wonderful!  I’ve been to Vegas and Foxwoods and the workers barely acknowledge you.  All I saw today were smiling, friendly faces.  They deserve more than minimum wage.

  • Anonymous

    He needs to help get employment to more than those on state aid and those who just can’t seem to get jobs due to ” experience” problems. No one can afford to go to college to get “experience” to throw a pizza or take a “test” to work at Walmart. But there are plenty of people willing to work out there, the employers need to show they care about the Maine people and start hiring those willing to work regardless of their experience. How many people have experience making pizza, unless you have worked at a pizza joint in the past. no one has experience except in their own homes which dosen’t count. Employers need to start helping by starting to hire some of these people looking for jobs. It’s easier to sit home than keep applying and applying all for a No Sorry after months of looking for a job. It’s too easy for them to say NO when they can get someone else that has experince that will  come in maybe in a couple days. I can see why they sit at home.  These are the people that buy goods at these businesses and support local ecomony but yet they discriminate with experience or tests. Most cannot afford to go to college. I can see drug testing but there needs to be free training programs out there for people to get some basic experience for these “minimum” wage jobs. Come on!!

  • Anonymous

    When LePage provides the jobs, you got a deal.

  • Anonymous

    If history tells us anything, then you are correct-the flames of violent revolution are indeed being fanned, or at least the flames of violence are being fanned. Any time the basic needs of a group of people are not being met, that is what happens. We have few jobs for our people and most of them do not pay a living wage so they can meet their needs; and now our politicians want to cut the programs that are keeping people afloat? They are asking for trouble. 

  • Anonymous

    You my friend are so ill-informed and well down right ignorant when it comes to economics and business. Oh and BTW those business owners who you seem to think are screwing everyone by building a business and being successful is what made this country great…greed made this country great…that Business Owner took the risk, borrowed the money pays all the expenses and signs the checks…You should move to North Korea this sounds like a country for you. As for using public access of course they do give me a break they pay corporate taxes and personal taxes and now it seems the successful are expected to pay for the dead beats as well they should be charging all the deadbeats for using the roads since a large percentage of this country does not pay any federal income tax…Who are you to determine who is rich and who is not…250k a year is not rich by an stretch trust me..my wife and I make considerably more than that a year and rich is not a word I would use to describe us…I wake up everyday with the goal to make more and more…I work my but off so my daughter can live with things I never dreamed of…leave the successful alone and move to a communist nation please…flat tax all the way…

  • Anonymous

    That won’t work when DHHS caseworkers actually advise women to have a baby to get more benefits. 

  • Anonymous

    they did it during the great dust bowl.

  • Anonymous

    Only people with minor problems will be treated. If someone without insurance has some kind of cancer or needs an expensive life-saving surgery of any kind, they will not get it but rather will be left to die. This happens all the time…how do you think the movie, “John Q” came to be?

    Might not be the kind of “organized” death panels the right was ranting about, but that is a death panel all the same. 

  • Anonymous

    I know people who were fired that are collecting unemployment.

  • Anonymous

    No Experience = No Jobs.
    No Jobs =No Money.
    No Money = No Housing.
    Not everyone has experience.  Give people a chance to work!!
    It’s called EQUAL RIGHTS……
    There is plenty of people and plenty of jobs out there.
    What seems to be the problem? HELLO EMPLOYERS!!!

  • pbmann

    That link only akes you to the Maine Revenue Service for forms to file Estate Tax.

    The estate tax exemption will double from $1 million to $2 million as of Jan. 1,
    2013.  According to Maine Department of Revenue Services estimates, this means that in
    2013 approximately 150 to 175 estates will be taxed in Maine and that 400
    estates will escape the tax because of the higher threshold

    From the Forbes Website.  I hope that isn’t too liberal for you.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebeling/2011/06/30/ohio-estate-tax-repeal-maine-oregon-tweak-tax/

  • Anonymous

    The real fraud that occurs in Mainecare is not from the recipients but rather the providers, hospitals, etc that are looking for a bigger piece of pie. They are also the same entities that are least likely to be punished and typically the fraud they commit is substantial.

  • Anonymous

    Hi twocentspls – Yes, food for work performed, and housing, as well, if necessary for people whose homes have been taken by the banks, until they can make it on their own again. 

    Furthermore, and not to sound like scrooge but we taxpayers can’t stand many more taxes to help people in need, I would make it mandatory that people who need welfare-type help, and  who are able, work on publicly-owned (or private)  local farms, as they used to. 

    Maine needs thousands more small, diversified farms just to feed ourselves and get away from foreign-grown food that is not healthy and way too expensive.  Saw in Washington County paper just today a nice, 2-3 bedroom house on over an acre for $58,000, and another one for $40,000 with home and enough land for a large garden.

    Until/if ever corporations bring back manufacturing jobs back to the USA, we have to do what we can to survive, and growing food is a sure thing since we all have to eat.  

     

  • Anonymous

    If you really believe all of this, you are naive. 

  • Anonymous

    No, I wouldn’t.  I know it’s not easy to land a decent job at 60, even with a good work history and education.  

    But I know a lot of young people who are working their way through college and trade school with exactly the kinds of jobs you decry, and there are a lot of part time jobs with tips that pay a lot more than $8, if a person is willing to clean themselves up and work.  Able people have to take more responsibility for themselves so that those who are less able to can be helped.  Maybe then the government can afford to extend some unemployment benefits or re-training to a 60 year old that is searching for work.  

  • Anonymous

    Great stuff, thanks–don’t take the negative responses to heart.  They’re in denial.

  • Anonymous

    Ah, yes, call me a communist – - pretty standard fare.  I prefer to try to come up with alternatives for people to live so we can all live.

    Your standard - Greedy for More, More, More – is morally bankrupt.  You will never have enough to satisfy your Gluttony, because MORE appears to be your entire goal in life.   

    If you can’t live comfortably, as you say, at $250,000 plus, then I cannot imagine how much would satisfy you. 

    Many of us live on less than $20,000 a year in small, efficient homes, heat with wood instead of oil, grow much of our own food, and we’re healthy and relatively happy – or would be if we didn’t have to pay for wars and watch piggy-rich Goldman-Sachs deliberately crash the world economy to lower workers’ wages around the world.  

  • Anonymous

    The problem is not welfare…it is SKILLS and JOBS. Cutting welfare will do nothing more than create crime, violence, and a host of other problems as people will be forced to resort to that to meet their basic needs: food and shelter. Teach them skills, CREATE JOBS that pay a living wage and spending on welfare will decrease. There is a proven correlation between the state of the economy and welfare spending. 
    Welfare is not what put us here…years of a lousy economy and a recession are why spending are increased. 

    Besides, I don’t trust that neanderthal governor who relies on the “Heritage Policy Center”…I have no doubt that this 80% figure is not just skewed but a plain exaggeration of the facts. Often when a figure sounds outrageous, it is b.s. 

  • Anonymous

    Thanks, SpruceDweller – Appreciate it.  Been following your comments for some time and you often say what I would have said……hope you live Downeast. 

    http://www.cleanearth.net

  • Anonymous

    No avenue to raise revenue? How about for starters, taking away those tax cuts LePage gave to rich in this state? How about the Bush tax cuts that were extended by Republican demand? 

    Don’t tell me it will kill jobs…in 1953 the top tax rate was over 90% and our country was in great shape. 

  • Anonymous

    drug testing is very inexpensive and it would save more money because some of the people reciving benifits would fail! oh and the jobs I know people are hiring all kinds of people right now but again have to pass a drug test or they don’t want to work

  • Anonymous

    Really? What about Facebook and Google?
    Did they get rich? Did they pay people $5 per hour? Did they cause pollution?
    Or were they just smart and have ambition?

  • Anonymous

    that’s what the police are for.

    re: drug testing.  what a joke. gimme a drug test, a bag of weed and i will have a job in the morning.  lol.

    drug test.  ahahahahahahaha

  • Anonymous

    I’m betting they just don’t want to lend you any money.  

  • Anonymous

    why is it even a choice???

  • Anonymous

    well how come people quit jobs as servers because they make to much money and will cut the benefits that they recieve…  PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ARE THE ONES THAT WANT TO WORK!… all the rest LAZY want to stay home doing nothing

  • Anonymous

    go to top of page click on JOBS! then apply, pass drug test, show up on time, work hard…

  • Anonymous

    see you think making money doing nothing at home…with family why not get a job and be proud I start at 10.00 get a job

  • Anonymous

    That 60 year old person could be on unemployment till age 67 or 68. If you are getting tip you are only making about 2:50 or 3 bucks an hr an working part time thats 2 or 3 days a week. like i sad who wants to be saddled with a school debt for the rest of there lofe an going to school part time it would take 6 to 8 years to finish an by that time there may be no job in there field. don’t for get there are 51,000 out of work will there ever be 51,000 jobs in maine even in great times there was people still on unemployment an im 66 an retired

  • Anonymous

    The fact is that both DHHS and Education costs need to be cut.  We are spending way too much money in both of these areas.  And, both of these areas are constant in trying to blackmail everyone in financing their causes.  It is time for cuts.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    and you know this how?  Do you know THAT many addicts that are on the welfare rolls?  I think you will find very little to none are addicts on welfare and this will be a BIG waste of time and money. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCC3ABRLTIU3EFA26HUIDQZTSM Chris

    Please initiate random supervised urine  tests for lepage and all his paid( or should I say BOUGHT) minions and report the results .They can use the state funds that Nutting owes to pay for the testing. I think the EAP at the B.House would be quite busy.

  • Anonymous

    Ever try to report someone for welfare fraud.
    Nothing ever gets done
    Even if you don their job and provide all the evidence including pics and sworn statements
    The more people on welfare the better job security for the state worker

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCC3ABRLTIU3EFA26HUIDQZTSM Chris

    Being unemployed and applying for unemployment benefits is not  asking for welfare.

  • Anonymous

    SHOW THE PROOF

  • Anonymous

    Had many job lookers say they are worth x amount of money and they knew nothing about what we do. everyone wants a big wage with little output. best workers are the one who start at a wage equal to their skill and work their way up.. like the owners did

  • Anonymous

    the trend we have is” can i put you on my list as a business i came to see for a job”… get the quota on the ei worksheet and you will get a check.. Instantly i tell them sure…I wouldn’t hire that type of attitude if it was the last person available… they simply WANT to be on unemployement & food stamps and vacation.

  • Anonymous

    We’re trying it right now with our Gov.  Who do you think is going to pay the $71,000,000 for his mismanaged HH R planning. 

  • Anonymous

    Good question.  Wonder if the TP types have an answer.

  • Anonymous

    real classy how you always have someone to blame for you failures. you mopstly lbame sucessfull people for your problems. FYI the wall street people you hate are everyone who has a savings account other than their safe at home…its all in the stockmarket. and its a global economy bubba. do away with wall street and The USA is gone…along with every other economy.  are you still clueless to how you get your check on the 3rd of the month??? 

  • Anonymous

    thank you

  • Anonymous

    Social Security pays alot more people than the State Pension plan, SSI is part of the Social Security system, it is a needs based benefit, so therefore the most someone can get on SSI is 674.00, I paid into the Social Security system, and also into the state pension system, but cannot get any of MY social security benefits unless I am deemed disabled before my retirement age; but I could take my state pension and use it when I left my employment there. I think if I have put into the social security all but 3 years of my 37 years of working and paying into Social Security I should be able to get my share of that to live on now; but I have to be disabled or of retirement age, and by the time I am retired some alcoholic, or drug addict, or someone with PTSD; anxiety etc will have collected all my Social Security benefits. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I HAVE ALL OF THE ABOVE ILLNESSES, AND WORK FULL TIMe. so, I think the whole system Social Security; welfare, and medicaid need to be overhauled.

  • Anonymous

    Ah, yes.  Another brilliant plan by our astute Governor.  

    We just lost 600 jobs to Connecticut because we didn’t have an educated work force available so the really smart thing to do is to cut funding to education until the top brass at institutions of higher learning make the legislature do their job. Does this sound like a rational plan to anyone other than LePage.

    Seriously, this man has a thinking disability.

  • Anonymous

    take off your blinders.. you keep saying all corporations and you can only find a handfull some of the largest employers… i hope those corporations leave the usa and smart people like yourself will wonder what happened to your 3rd of the month check when the gov is colapsed and savings which i doubt you have because its those corporation that you hate that pay dividends that earn you interest and you don’t even realize it

  • Anonymous

    Experience—

  • Anonymous

    i am one 3rd generation and i bought and paid for the business not a cent handed to me.

  • Anonymous

    i also know many around me who are  “millionaires” in the same boat from hog farm to plumber.. they grew their businesses as we did. and a million dollars is not as much as you think.

  • Anonymous

    What you really have to look at is the “effective” tax rate. The whole tax code was totally different. Keep in mind “entitlements” were also dramatically lower then. Would you like that also?

  • Anonymous

    thank you… but spruce has no common sen…

  • Anonymous

    These “poor” low class people have the same opportunities as all of us.  WORK!  WORK A LOT! These “poor” low class people have the same opportunities as all of us.  WORK!  WORK A LOT! 
    These “poor” low class people have the same opportunities as all of us.  WORK!  WORK A LOT! 
    You hit the nail on the head!!!  I teach school and you don’t know how many times I preach and lecture about WORKING HARD!!!  Kids in this country have a rare opportunity that kids in most other places of the world don’t.  THEY HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY AS EVERYONE ELSE, A FREE EDUCATION!  Do with it what you will…take advantage of it, stay after school for extra help, seek your parents’ assistance, your teachers, but make good grades so you will NOT end up in this sorry state of welfare with a poor work ethic.  When we’re all given the same opportunity and some choose to piss it away, shame on them and they deserve what they get.  It’s not just the ‘smart kids’ who go on to become successful, it’s the HARD WORKERS!  Thank you TrueMainer1 !

  • Anonymous

    why are we sucessfull and your not???????????????????????????????

  • Anonymous

    Good idea.  Let’s cut education.  Who needs education.  It’s just a frivolous affectation.  We didn’t want those 600 high paid technical jobs that went to Connecticut, anyways.  Jobs we didn’t get  because we don’t have an educated labor pool.  Who cares, just a bunch of frickin’ snobs.  Anaway they’d jist want things like edjicatshun fer thems snotty kids theys raisin.  Prolly listen to that tere liburul gummint  propyganda PBS,  too.  Frickin commies.

  • Anonymous

    For those that are humor impaired.  This is a sarcasm alert.  The above is sarcasm.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_77PPY2GHJERXL74KODFG5AEXKE Rick

    Uh Duh, If he’s trying to not cut education, why does it say he may.

    We should start by cutting the people holding up shovels on the side of the interstate while others work. Every time you drive by a construction site some one is always standing there doing nothing.

    Eliminate flagger’s on Job sites and use a light system. They will tow behind 90% of the vehicles on job sites.Use the prison system more to clean up our state rather than paying 20+ dollars per hour for some one to do it. Trim the people in the state capital just getting a pay check. Drug test welfare candidates, that will decrease it by 50%.Get rid of half of the assistant D.A.’s, they are not needed. The D.A. just needs to do his/her job (no pun intended Mr. Penobscot cty. DA)Cut unemployment!!!!! Force people to get jobs. If it is less pay than unemployment would pay them, Unemployment pays the difference. It would still be far less than it is now by paying partial unemployment.Increase sales tax on alcohol to 10%!Legalize Marijuana and charge a 15% tax. Double tax casinos! Including any on the Native American Land! Allow people to open where they want providing they have the peoples vote.There this would just about cover $63,000,000.

  • Anonymous

    you and spruce have a great deal of greed in the form of stealing it from somone elses wallet.

  • Anonymous

    You ever thought of running for Governor?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_77PPY2GHJERXL74KODFG5AEXKE Rick

    ps. Cutting Education should not even be considered a possibility!

  • Anonymous

    No, anyone would be LAZY who chooses to stay home and collect money over going out and working for it.  Start carrying your weight and stop expecting others to foot your bill.  Where is the equity in that?  Same thing in school…put kids in groups to do an activity or project…try to pair them up in mixed ability groups…the lazy ones let the hard workers do all the work.  Put the slow and lazy kids together and you get nothing; put the overachievers/hard workers together and you’ve got a great project…seems pretty true to the real world…people’s habits don’t change a whole lot as they age.

  • Anonymous

    your a follower not a leader, be happy with what you have as that is all you can dream.

  • Anonymous

    thats what the occupies are doing

  • Anonymous

    you say bad about one thing and occupy the other????…try occupying congress and dc

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F7VMUU5NIDG3Y2AUPJUMBJY7B4 JEFF

    that because Hollywood slots is a carnavel tent compared to foxwoods and mohegan sun

  • Anonymous

    I do not mind that we help out the elderly who have already paid their dues or the disabled and I do mean disabled or help people out who are really trying….but I do mind helping out those who decide to pop out one kid after another just so that they can get a bigger check or ones that get disability when in fact they are more then capable to work.   
    I do not have children…not because I don’t want them but because I am unable to have them and it burns my butt when I pay lots of taxes to the State of Maine and do not get a refund just because I do not have dependents.  Then I turn around and see a family who has four kids and only paid in $800 in taxes but received well over $7,000 for their refund.  What is fair in that….I get that children cost more but it was their choice to have those children and they need to be able to support them. Those of us who have no children or our children are grown should not have to be supporting others.

  • http://twitter.com/NorthernRants Bill Buck

    Wow.  Attacking welfare gets even more comments than attacking homosexuals.

  • Anonymous

    Yep!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_77PPY2GHJERXL74KODFG5AEXKE Rick

    See this is where the state should fine the library or fire the person in charge! Over qualified? I was told this when I applied at Mc.Donalds. I called the Regional Manager and he was irate. I had over 10 years of high end management experience and his manager turned me down. He personally offered me a job. 

    I don’t agree with random Drug testing though, in fact I think drug testing ALL welfare candidates is the way to go.! Most jobs require a drug screen, so should the state. You have to be screened to work for the state, you should be screened to get money from the state.

  • Anonymous

    If Governor LePage and the rest of the legislature would put more effort into creating and attracting jobs to Maine ,there wouldn’t be a need to cut welfare,Maine Care,or education.How about if the politicians in Augusta gave up their paychecks and worked for nothing to show how much they truly care for the citizens of Maine? Isn’t that what it’s all about anyways?…caring for Mainers? What a wonderful policy to place more burden on the people struggling to live and raise a family then on those who fall in the “1%”.

  • Anonymous

    Nice!  You have the right attitude.

  • Anonymous

    Before you make Lepage “Live off that”, maybe you should check his bio out. Google  it or go to http://www.governing.com/blogs/politics/Maine-Paul-LePage.html. He lived on the streets for two years shining shoes and work many menial jobs to get where he is. I think we can all take a lesson from him in perseverance whether you like him or not.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

    Ill go one better. Any office with DHHS on it would be closed and all employees fired.  Every entity funded with tax payer money that gives people or companies money they did not work to earn would be closed permanently. I would like to see a law that says no taxpayer monies could be used in any way to support in any way shape or form any welfare or program.

    Again this no job crap!! This is total BS. I personally just put a mobile home on my property for my father to live in. I have placed at least 100 or more calls trying to hire people to get various jobs done. I have gone so far as to put notices up at the Career center I juts last week after over a month of trying found a couple guy swilling to get dirty.  There are lots of jobs to be had. The problem is that these days a job is considered a place you go sit at a desk and chat for 8 hours and has to pay 15 bucks or better a hour. The majority of people without jobs are completely unwilling to to do anything physical or get dirty to earn some money.

    In short there are jobs just nobody willing to WORK.

    There is way way way to much welfare to the point people are making living filling out forms to gain more money for doing nothing.

    There are far to many people who for whatever reason continue to blame the rich or the corporations because they do not think they are earning enough money.  Instead of putting all that effort into bettering themselves to make there skills the ones that employers are willing to pay top dollar for. This last one boils down to jealousy! If you want it EARN it. One will never make themselves better or more valuable to society by whining and instead of striving to be the bast and do the best they can.  

    When one educates themselves and does what they do well something amazing happens you no longer have to “look” for work because people will call and write you asking if you would come work for them.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_25LJ6KETIP5DVBAPMUYRGCCDTU Brandon D

    I’d like to extend you a friendly invitation to come join us in what we like to call “The real world”.  I know, I know, it can be a scary place where things don’t work the way you want them to, but believe it or not by living here you can come to understand what ‘reality’ is.  Once you’ve got that handled, you can look at the true nature of problems instead of shouting at them and expecting them to be solved they way you think they should. 

    For example; the country is at roughly a 9% unemployment rate, which is high mind you, so to follow your reasoning 9% of the country’s work force is ‘LAZY’.  By your reasoning, 9% of the working-aged population doesn’t want to work, regardless if they lose their homes, can’t feed their families, etc.  You’re saying that 9% of the work force actually wants to live on less, scratching by on food stamps and other assistance. 

    Oh, but that brings me to your first point… Yes, some people hold off on accepting certain work because they would face benefit cuts.  See, the way the system is right now once you start making any money wage your benefits get cut.  It quickly gets to a point where you’re seeing a net loss between rising pay (not high pay, not good pay, but rising) and decreasing benefits.  Problem is, once you cross that line you’re still usually not making enough to support your family (even with those snazzy ‘server’ jobs you mentioned), and thus are worse off.  So, it’s either live in working poverty, or live in slightly better poverty on benefits.  Believe it or not (I suspect you’re going to fall into the ‘not’ camp) most people would truly LOVE to be able to support themselves and their families without assistance, but when it comes to what is best for their families sadly taking welfare is often needed to keep them from dropping even lower into poverty.  It’s nothing anyone is proud of.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_25LJ6KETIP5DVBAPMUYRGCCDTU Brandon D

    … wow.  Just… wow.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe you should check out Lepage’s bio about his upbringing. You would get a better picture of where he coming from.

  • Anonymous

    Look it up then. By the way, the testing would have to be done by a lab, not one of the cheesy cheap anyone can fool test. You have to also hire trained examiners to administer them. And which specific bureau at DHHS is going to administer this requirement? I can count the money flying around as I post.

  • Anonymous

    If Governor LePage and the rest of the Maine legislature would do more to create and attract jobs to our state,there would be no need to cut welfare,Maine Care,and education.Why don’t they work for free and show us Mainers that they truly care about us?…isn’t that what it’s supposed to be about? Once again let the people struggling to live and raise a family suffer cuts instead of the “1%”.

  • Anonymous

    No, they don’t.  INBUSINESS is correct.  To avoid layoffs, the worker continues to come to work.  They come in suits or their uniforms, just like normal, but they are given ‘odd jobs’ to do and sometimes a reduced wage.  They remain on the payroll; this is better than doling out welfare checks to sit home on your butt…at least you are still worthy and make the effort to arrive to work.  This system cuts down on welfare (I’m not sure if they don’t have ANY, but hear me out…) and thus crime, and idled people roaming the streets looking to steal and do other undesirable acts.  In allowing them to continue to show up to work, they do not ‘lose face’ and become addicted to the welfare system that we have.

  • Anonymous

    First I call you a communist merely because what you describe is communism…for the good of the people and each to his need…As for you telling me what I need to “live comfortably” the heck with you I will make that determination….if you do not like making 20k a year then get off your but and change your situation….stop blaming everyone else for your faults…

  • Anonymous

    Because you propose changes, not demand them. You stick to your word when you indicate that you are going to remain silent regarding pending referendum issues. (I’m talking specifically about the casinos, which I could care less about).

    You work with people, not bully them, threaten and try to manipulate towns for not being more “business friendly” Lastly, I think that he is a lousy governor who happened to be the mayor of the city that is the porn capital of northern new england.

  • Anonymous

    Listen, we keep throwing money at education.  All the money has done nothing to improve the education of our children.  I, personally, know from raising my son that the love of education begins at home and needs to continue in the school environment and the home once the child goes to school.  Every child is so excited to go to kindergarten and learn, however, that is where the ball is dropped right from the beginning – we babysit them in kindergarten and then expect them to read in first grade.  We need to hook them from day one and keep their interest.  I do not envy the job of the teacher.  A good teacher is worth their weight in gold.  However, the system does not encourage a good teacher.  The business of education is a mess, and it begins with the administrators. 

  • Anonymous

    The estate tax doesn’t affect people like you or me. It applies only to very wealthy people.     
    **********************************************************
    But GoMaine said “Estate tax revenues from 100 families a year in Maine helped cover the cost of programs for poor and middle class people”….
      I wsn’t aware that Maine had 100 very wealthy families, let alone 100 to die in one year alone.  How wealthy is “very wealthy”?  What does that “wealth” include…just cash…investments…land…buildings…business equipment…operating businesses like a restaurant?

  • Guest

    why dont you go move to canada or england, or even russia. you want that type of healthcare?   your america hating buddy obama, has started us down that road of destruction. economically and healthcare wise. what the heck kind of well, i cant say it here,,,,,,,  are you? you seem as bad as the most evil intentioned democrat politicians. welcome to the likes of michaud pingree, and Obama

  • Anonymous

    Community college costs are a fraction of the larger colleges and universities, and average servers in the restaurant business routinely make anywhere from $10 – $25 per hour.  There is work out there for those who really want it and there are good educations to be had without going into major debt.  

      

  • Anonymous

    How about the rich guy who inherited a huge house and 5 milloin bucks. Never worked a day in his life. He should not pay an inheritence tax?
    *********************************************
    …as Kobukvolbane said “when did THAT happen?”

  • Anonymous

    way to go, Roger.

  • dporter8462

    Cutting either is short sighted. If you cut social services you will end up funding more police officers and jail cells, not to mention court costs. If you cut education you keep Maine from being competitive in the national and international economy.
    The government has painted itself into a corner. We refuse to raise taxes and we cannot cut social services yet the costs of everything is skyrocketing. The 1% is off the table and unemployment is rising.
    I do not like LePage and I have little faith in the government in the best of circumstances but I do not see an easy solution.

  • Anonymous

    Well because the average taxpayer is getting poorer and the money is not there. We can squeeze the rich but they are protected by our government. Without the money choices have to be made. Sad but true that the richest country in the world can’t afford to give their kids a ball.

  • Anonymous

    We’re cutting welfare and Medicare, but by all means, have a can of peas.

    Good luck with that.

  • Anonymous

    When one educates themselves………people will call and write you asking if you would come work for them. 

    Good idea!  How do you propose Mainers do that and cut education.  

  • Anonymous

    “We can squeeze the rich but they are protected by our government.”
    *****

    then we should fire them.  

    for heaven’s sake.  we start choking the life out of education, the Chinese are going to beat us with both chop sticks tied behind them.

  • Anonymous

    Well we have to make cuts so the super wealthy can avoid the estate tax…sheeesh people…pay attention.

    How about cutting your useless daughter and your “extra” security???

  • Anonymous

    Where I work there’s four 20 hour postitions open in one building and four 40 hour positions in another building…pays over 9.00 an hour to start, all training is offered at the companies expense.  When we do get an applicant, they quit within a couple months when they find out they make more from benefits staying home then working.  I think it would be a good idea to have a subsidy that helps people stay working or take a job that is available. There are jobs, maybe just not enticing enough for someone who’s used to staying home all day and collecting more then going out and working.

  • Anonymous

    That’s funny!  

    Of course we have to fund education as best we can.  It is the most important expenditure, as far as I’m concerned.  When we give that up, we’ve given up, and have no hope of recovery.

  • dporter8462

    The ball is not dropped at the school. I have volunteered at a public school for the past six years. The teachers are fantastic and I have not meet one that does not want all their children to succeed. But parents have checked out. Not all but a vast majority. They are so disconnected from their kids that they do not know what the kid thinking feeling or experiencing. And they expect the teachers to pick up the slack, to be everything to that kid. The only time the parents get involved is when they perceive their kid is not being treated like a superstar or that the kid is being held accountable for something.
    I have nothing but the highest respect for our teaching force and all the more so because they meet their calling in the face of scorn from the public they serve.
    Make no mistake, it is the parents that have dropped the ball.

  • Anonymous

    So, should the state fund education or not, in your opinion?

  • Anonymous

    Maine does not throw money at education. All the statistics and census reports show that Maine does not fund education well at all by any count:  per pupil, per capita, per $1000 of personal wealth.   Education in Maine is not a mess but it will be if LePage keeps cutting funding, trash talking teachers and  encouraging others to do the same.  If improving education begins with administrators then the chief administrator of the state, The Gov,  is really doing a bang up job by threatening and trying to black mail top educators of the state into doing his job. 

  • Guest

    I say  cut the benefits to the methadone clinic such as mileage reim. for driving to the clinic to get their methadone they sell in the parking lot for the drugs they really want. I say stop giving every person who knows they DO NOT QUALIFY for HEAP $5.00  I say stop giving food stamps to those single people who work 30 hours a week and have no children as they go to the corner store and buy cigarettes and Dunkin Donuts for coffee when if they were responsible they’d buy food instead.

    Some ideas of his I like, most I do not. 

    Add up the  $5.00 they give those who fdon’t qualify, when they know before they hit the damg door they wont for the income guide tells them before they make the appointment. These people use the $5.00 for whatever they wish when in fact OIL is $3.49 per gallon and that 5 bucks could buy another gallon of oil for a freezing child.

    Add up the mileage reimbursment for the methadone clinic. Can’t be cheap at 37 cents per mile 7 days a week per person. Come on people, look deeper into Maine’s spending.

  • Guest

    Not to mention when the fool starts drug testing welfare recip. Those who fail will end up in the clinic to try to save their benefits and end up with more State funds in their pockets than they did to start. Gosh I think they need a High School Genius as Governor, they could probably fix things a hell of a lot faster.

  • dporter8462

    The problem is math. Modern technology has made it possible for fewer and fewer people to provide for more and more. Where it once took a 100 people to provide for a 100 it now takes 10 or less. But economics has forced more and more people to work. Most households were single income fifty years ago. Now it is almost impossible to get by on one income. Do you see where I am going with this? I really do not think they can get on top of unemployment simply because of the math.
    I know this does not help or change anything other than to suggest that maybe we are approaching a change of society.

  • Guest

    There are jobs, where are you looking? Let’s see just today I saw hiring signs at Subway, Tim Hortons, Mc Donalds, Hannaford, US Cellular, Mardens, Millers Discount and Save a Lot. Those are TODAY. Go to http://www.mainevillejobs.com. there are THOUSANDS of job listing, most do not require anything less than a HS Diploma or a GED. Seriously, work on these people and their education, get them a GED or a diploma if close enough. Get them EDUCATED and WORKING. Spend the money you’re going to spend on drug tests and the clinic and EDUCATE!!!

  • Anonymous

    Ah, but I am content with what I have.  I have all I need.  I enjoy knowing that I’m living lightly on earth and not wasting our natural resources as people like you must be doing to have to have way more than $250,000 a year and it’s still not enough for you.  

    What do we really need?  Warm shelter in this climate, clean water, uncontaminated food.  That’s it. 

    Then the things which do not cost money:  friends, books, beautiful places which we have in abundance in Washington County, wildlife to be enjoyed in their natural state, and so much more to be thankful for.  It’s enough.  Really.  

  • Anonymous

    because sports teaches us sooooo much!!
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    yeah…and Jerry Sandusky says the same thing…
    _______________________________________and because we also know that children have a better retention rate after they have had exercise. so, the best way to increase the value of education is to add some physical exercise into the day.  
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    Then it is time to bring back outdoor recess (or in the gym in poor weather) immediately after lunch…and not for 10 minutes  but for a good half hour.  Bring back phys-ed, once a week for two class periods (80-90 min.) and make it interesting and varied…play games like kickball or volleyball…I learned square dancing in middle school (yes, I’m THAT age!) but kids can learn the newer dances that are popular now…
    besides…school sports are done AFTER school, the best results come from getting exercise before the end of the school day. 

  • Anonymous

      My friends own their own businesses and are sick and tired of the taxes they have to pay to support the entitlement programs in Canada. They complain about all the freeloaders that sit on their back sides sucking of the handouts.

      I guess we know people on opposite sides of the issue.

  • Anonymous

     My friends own their own businesses and are sick and tired of the taxes they have to pay to support the entitlement programs in Canada. They complain about all the freeloaders that sit on their back sides sucking of the handouts.
      I guess we know people on opposite sides of the issue.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    You have never made a mistake? Your perfect? So let’s take a responsible family. Two parents working making 30K+.  Then your wife dies in a car accident and one of your children is badly hurt. Then the factory you work for closes.  That person may have been making great money but in a specialized skill with only a high school education. Without that factory what is he gonna do? All of a sudden he is making $9 an hour with no benefits at a connivence store. How is that guy going to feed his kids let alone begin to pay for the medical bills from that accident? You may or may not realize it but you are unthinking and a bit heartless. Unless you make 100k+ (and even then) we are all just a few bad days in a row from needing a little help.

  • Anonymous

    Hmm, the idea of having the needy bused to a farm where they could do a little work to bring home some healthy food is interesting.  Maine does have land, and it may be more cost effective and healthy than current methods.  And people like you could oversee the regional operations… I like it!

  • Anonymous

    And that isnt what I was implying. I am not talking about unemployment. I am talking about people who are unemployed and unwilling to take what is available to them when it becomes available. People that are filling out applications only at places that aren’t hiring so they don’t have to go back to work. People who truly don’t want to work and a system they have learned to play so they dont have to.

  • Anonymous

    That’s all well and good in your world, we are going to need a lot more than hyperbole going forward. Cain will never attempt to agree with anyone but her side. I don’t get confused about that. Our Governor is doing the best he can and needs support, not stubborness so tell Cain maybe its time to try and get answers instead. The future will deceide her fate.

  • Anonymous

    We need answers not your criticizms, or perhaps you are one sided.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. I have no issue helping those truly in need, incapacitated or in need of temporary assistance. I just dont think it is right when people who are completely able at working like the rest of us  just expect everyone else to take care of them because of their bad decisions. They think welfare is a right, not a privilage when times are tough. Get back on your feet, take that job that comes up, and work for the life you want. It may not be a great job or one you love, but its a honest paycheck.

  • Anonymous

    People in the Social Security system should be able count on their retirement and have COLA’s each year.  Same thing with the state pensions.   If I were a state worker, I’d rather have the option of paying into Social Security rather than the state plan. Social Security is getting 3% COLA next year while the state worker retirees are taking a negative hit.

  • Anonymous

    Teachers, BTW, are bigger heroes in my mind than athletes or doctors or firefighters, and don’t receive near enough compensation or appreciation.  Just wanted to put that out there… 

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    4 unemployed people per job opening in this country at the moment. Stop being so selfish and cruel for a second and read the news before you advocate starving thousands of people(including children) to death. 

    Working for you to fix up your trailer on your Father’s Property (Whom, it sounds like your taking advantage of if your not paying him… Sounds like a “Daddy hand out” to me) trailer is what a two week job? Your gonna pay minimum wage? Then what is that guy gonna do?  
    Also, that plan of yours is going to cost you a lot more money in courts and prisons when it’s all said and done.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    Many fast food restaurants will not hire “over qualified” candidates. They know your gone the instant something better comes along. 
    Currently there are 4 unemployed per ever job opening (including fast food restaurants). 
    This is a much bigger problem than pride. 

  • Anonymous

    i agree, FF.

    but I think we have all ‘drunk the Kool Aid’ if we even accept this as the choice.  (cutting education).  

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    What about the liberal policies of France and Germany… Are they also run amok?

  • Anonymous

    I have people I know in Canada and they brag about their welfare/healthcare/better-than-you system. Get 2 jobs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    4 unemployed people per job opening. Your lying. 

  • Anonymous

    He said it was HIS property, Tom.

    And after someone takes and completes the small job… they go do another one.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    Yea, too bad it seems like he sold his soul and likes his new business buddies more than providing young people the same help he was offered as a child. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    Sure just as soon as there are enough jobs for everyone to have one…

  • Anonymous

    …next thing you know, they’re “working for a living”.

  • http://www.calljaneinmaine.com Jane Sargent-Hamilton

    Good thinking, tin man, if they have no food or healthcare they sure won’t need an education. 

  • Anonymous

    Ok, I agree that there are not enough jobs out there for everyone that is looking for one.  I have  had to search for a job not so long ago.  I do know what it is like.  There is plenty of competition for the better jobs, but there are lesser jobs that employer’s have a hard time to fill.  There are hundreds of unfilled positions around, Tom.    

  • http://www.calljaneinmaine.com Jane Sargent-Hamilton

    You might also consider looking into the inordinate amount of safety deposit boxes, unless you’re hiding money.  Did you ever consider it is impossible to make no money and own a new boat and truck?  Look at your tax structure before you make the poor pay again.  They aren’t the ones stealing from us.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

     Maybe you should read. I put a Mobile home on MY property (property that I paid for myself by starting running and eventually selling my busniess ) for my father to live in he does not have to pay rent or anything else he is my dad and I will care for him. Not because the law says I have to or any reason other then I want to because he raised me to be the man I am thus I owe a good part if not all of what I have to him.

    How am I advocating starving anybody? One of the biggest incentives to get out there and work is hunger either hunger for food or the hunger to do better.

    You completely missed the fact that there is a HUGE percentage of folks on unemployment up here in Washington co but it took me over a month and around 15 hours to find people to do some work for me. As for the pay I will tell you I offered 400 bucks to do the skirting around the trailer 100 bucks to dig around and place foam insulation on the septic tank. I am still looking for someone to put a roof on the place.

    As a former business owner  who retired after selling the company I built right here ( where there are no jobs) that had 34 employees all of them paying well above min wage. All my employees where very happy and most all of them still work for the company. How is it I was able to do this here? I would also add I did this with MY money I got a small mortgage on my house to start along with the money I had saved working THREE  ( 3 ) jobs for several years. I had NO help. I paid cash for what the business used Ie I did not spend money I did not have.

    As I said you can choose to buy the there is no jobs stuff. The fact remains that if your willing to WORK you will always be able to make money. This is where the problem lies to many people consider welfare there job and simply will not work. Ask the businesses around Machias for example why they have employees that only work 2 or three days a week. The ones that say I can only work X amount of hours per week. One reason for this. If your on these welfare programs your allowed to work X amount of hours per week without any effect on your welfare income. So instead of working the full 40 or more per week and supporting themselves they work a few hours and keep the welfare for the majority of there income. This is STUPID.

    Then lets get to the starving kids. This again boils down to responsibility for ones actions. If you can not afford to have a child then don’t have on then blame society and force them to pay for it. If there was no welfare and those who had a child where responsible to care for them how many of these folks do you think would be so freely and carelessly mating? Same thing applies to homes cars and other things in life. If you can not afford them them do not buy them.

    As for education you get 1st through 12th make the most of it. Then when you get out on your own figure out what you wish to pursue and word towards it. If that means college then go that way if it means trade school then go that way.If it means working  for someone from whom you can learn what you need then do that.

    I know expecting people to be responsible for there own actions and support themselves by working hard is a evil and horrible way to think. However it has worked well for me. How many successful business owners who employ other people at good wages and fully support there own existence while on welfare do you know??

  • Anonymous

    What happens if someone gets hurt working for you, are you paying medical expenses? Didn’t think so.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SYN3TY6Z6ZWIGHQ5M2VWZWWM4Q Susan B

    I seriously hope that the liberals complaining about LePage, just to complain about him bc he’s repub complained this much when Baldacci made cuts.  And his cuts were the most ridiculous of all!

  • Anonymous

    Oops.  You forgot to mention that while America Runs on Dunkin’ so doesn’t MaineCare because nearly all of their employees not only qualify for it, but are actually on it.  Ditto for retail and most small and large chain restaurants. Go figure.

  • pbmann

    Nope, you would lose that bet.

  • pbmann

    I should have said I knew two people that had worked at Hollywood Slots.  One quit to go back to working in a convience store because he made more money.  The other is still struggling to make it work there.

  • pbmann

    You can collect unemployment if you were fired but you go thru a Fact-Finding interview to decide whehter you were fired for something you did or not.  If they find the firing was justified you will not get unemployment for 6 months or until you have worked elsewhere for 5 weeks.  If they find you were fired and it was not your fault then you get unemployment but the State makes you go thru additional steps to keep unemployment and monitor you closer then they would normally. 

  • pbmann

    I complain about LePage because I disagree with most of his positons and policies. 

  • pbmann

    I never said the employee’s were not wonderful, I said the job’s were not.  That is a big difference.

  • pbmann

    And I am guessing that you are supporting Obama because he is doing the best he can and needs support, yes?

  • geo

    No, he has a FINANCIAL disability. In that the state has spent itself into a corner.

    Now difficult decisions must be made, and all the usual suspects are lined up crowing “but not MY program!”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G7TM2WWUSPPTO2SNDBEXTLHSRQ Confucius

    If you make less than 20k per year, you are not paying for any part of the war!

  • pbmann

    I am currently unemployed so you would consider me one of the lazy ones.  The last week I worked before I was laid off I put in 90 hours.  The week before that 60 hours.  You have no idea what you are talking about.

  • pbmann

    So a person would need a computer to apply for a job but you think people who are unemployed should not have computer so how, pray tell, would they apply for taht job?

  • pbmann

    Or they could stay a temporary hire and never get that permanent position.  A lot of employers are using cheaper temps and “outside contractors” to avoid paying a decent wage and benefits.

  • pbmann

    A lot of employers are using cheaper temps and “outside contractors” to avoid paying a decent wage and benefits.  They never get the chance to “work their way up”.

  • pbmann

    And how would they know if you are hiring?  Most companies do not want a lot of foot traffic coming into the front office, Liability and efficiency issues being why.

  • pbmann

    Actually the US is tied for 34th with Singapore, a dictatorial city-state, for worker mobility according to the World Bank.  We used to be number one but no longer.  It is a myth that the US is still a leaderin upwardly mobile workers.

  • George Venturelli

    Read my whole post next time.

  • pbmann

    So I should dress for work at my old employer even tho they laid me off?  I wonder how that woudl work?

  • George Venturelli

    He may be right. There’s only 2 ways to balance a budget, cut spending or raise revenue. We don’t seem to have avenues to raise revenue at a state or national level, so the people will have to suffer. I’m not a big fan of people abusing the system, but I’m sure there’s some out there who actually need it. That being said, we have to have an honest discussion about our values, and who we are as a people.

    If we do this, we leave people to die, plain and simple. If you believe that isn’t true, then please tell me how these people feed themselves otherwise. If we are willing to accept that the most unfortunate in our society can be left to die, then we have decided once and for all that we are not interested in civilized community, but really believe in the base of capitalism, and every person truly does have to fend for themselves at all times. If that’s the choice we make, then I say don’t stop there, why pretend we care and provide any of these services at all. Let’s let the weakest, poorest, oldest, and youngest among us die so that we may be stronger as a society.

    On the other side of the discussion, we could just not educate our children, so that we may have a future of people incapable of performing high paying, high tech jobs. Of course, our country would continue to slide economically, because we don’t have a work force capable of doing the work that needs to be done now or in the future, so all jobs are shipped to China. We are, of course, somehow morally superior to them, but not intellectually because they invested in their future with the interest we paid them on money borrowed to line the pockets of the most fortunate among us. Capitalism says that the most fortunate among us should be compensated for their obvious ingenuity, so this further cements our self-belief that our system is superior…except for the dirty little reality that as many people suffer under our system as any other political system known to man. But no other system on Earth makes the rich even richer, and the obvious difference being that we obviously have hope in America (with our large debt, dying people and poor education) that couldn’t possibly exist elsewhere. Once again, America is a city upon a hill, a shining light for all the world to see. Unfortunately, this time they use us as an example of how not to grow as an economy and more importantly a people.

    Of course, there is a third way, but the political climate that has been created by the current blame game would never allow this to happen. We could borrow a ton of money, and this time do the right thing with it. We could use it to build schools, pay teachers, and maybe even build better ways to make better more nutritious food so that the poorest among us are not so unhealthy and can afford more than cheesy mac for lunch every day. We could use those educated children to re-invent ourselves, rather than using uneducated children to re-elect our broken politicians based off one-liners and award winning smiles. We could use the money to give everyone a clean slate on their credit card debt, and do away with credit cards so that no one can be trapped ever again into thinking they have a personal bank at their disposal to offset the lack of actual money they see in their paychecks. Most importantly, we could set our eyes on the prize and realize that although capitalism has it’s place in making money, it is not a basis for moral code. When profit is the most important motivator, then it cannot be superceded by irrelevant things like common decency. It ensures that you cannot help the dying child without health insurance if it does not present a profit. You cannot make sure that your dying parents rest peacefully, because it’s not profitable. For you animal lovers, your pet must also suffer, because provided them any relief from their wimpering is certainly not in the budget.

    We talk about pitting our moral values against our financial beliefs all the time, but nobody ever wants to put a face to the reality, because it’s not pretty. So I guess it means that I agree with Mr. Lepage. If we’re not willing to risk investing in our people, then why bother trying to keep them around. Let’s cut everything and hope that as few of them end up unable to work or die. Because we wouldn’t want everyone to die, then who would we have to profit from?     

  • pbmann

    So you believe big governmetn should be in the business of providing jobs for the unemployed.  I thought the right wing said that governments do not create employment, “job creators” do.  If Obama tried to get a jobs bill past the Republicans that put all unemployed people to work it would get filibustered in the Senate, if it could get thru the House.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    I wouldn’t dismiss raising revenue so quickly. Taxes are pretty darn historically low but when anyone talks about raising them other politicians just puts their fingers in there fingers in their ears and scream “LEAVE THE JOB CREATORS ALONE YOU CRAZY COMMIES” until we give up. 

  • pbmann

    How about you move to Iraq and we’ll rollup our sleeves and get to work making the US great again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    No we complained when Baldacci made bad cuts too. Pretty much both sides of the isle  were done with him by the end. 

  • pbmann

    That type of healthcare.  You mean affordable healthcare for all Americans?  The horror!

  • pbmann

    The economy crashed in the summer of 2008 while bush was in office but according to you Obama’s primary wins were causing the economy to crash. 

  • pbmann

    Facebook and Google got rich using the internet, which is part of the “commons” just like roads, bridges and schools.  No different then any other business.

  • Anonymous

    May you enjoy a long and happy retirement…  Good story.

  • pbmann

    280 Big Public firms paid little or no tax

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/03/business/280-big-public-firms-paid-little-us-tax-study-finds.html

    2/3rds of US and foriegn corporations do not pay US income taxes.

    http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/12/news/economy/corporate_taxes/

  • pbmann

    280 Big Public firms paid little or no tax

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/03/business/280-big-public-firms-paid-little-us-tax-study-finds.html

    2/3rds of US and foriegn corporations do not pay US income taxes.

    http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/12/news/economy/corporate_taxes/

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    4 unemployed per open job in this country. Does that make any sense to you? Can you do that math? I may not read carefully but I can figure out 1 job isn’t gonna help 3 of those people out. 

    People don’t need $400 fix up your trailer. They need a steady income. Stop being cheep and hire a company that specializes in that instead of trying to find some random joe and then you will support local business, jobs, and  it wont take you a month to get it done. 

    It is great you worked your way up with very little but there are people with even less than you started with. Kids graduating High School today can’t get a job in a mill or even in the woods those jobs are dying and you need at least a two year degree to get them anyway.  There is no “extra” on minimum wage NONE.
    You pay for your rent because no one will give you a mortgage, food, maybe a junk car just to get you to work and have… none left over to put away to get a house or start a business. 

    People want to work. People are desperate to work. Your generalization about people down on their luck is evil and horrible not work. 

      If we cut those programs and refuse to help people  they will either steal or starve. That simple.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.harvell Tom Harvell

    Ok I don’t read carefully but what are they gonna do if they get sick? What if they get hurt working for him? I’m sure he doesn’t have $25,000 worth of work a year for someone to do. Before you jump to it how many odd jobs does a small town have? Enough to keep 2 maybe 3 to work year round. Probably not even that. I’m sure that is gonna put a huge dent in our unemployment problem. 
    (also businesses exist to fill just that service I recommend if he hates waiting so much give one of them a try and support a local business.)

  • pbmann

    A conservative is more likely to be a follower that a leader. 

    There was a study done a couple years ago that showed a person with conservative beliefs was more likely to want a strong leader and to follow that leader.  They had higher anxiety levels and more likely to resort ot violence than a person with liberal beliefs.

  • pbmann

    Until Obama took office, none of us were paying for the war.  The war was 100% paid for by borrowed money appropriated thru supplemental budget amendments.

  • pbmann

    The definition of greed: An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves,
    especially with respect to material wealth.  That does not sound like either cleanearth or Spriucedweller. 

    Sounds more like the 1%ers and their paid stooges to me.

  • pbmann

    The average number of children of families on welfare in Maine is 1.8.  The average number of children for all mainers is 1.76 and the national average is 1.84.  I do not see a great difference in the number of children between welfare families and everyone else

  • pbmann

    So more children are born to poor families who can not already support the one they have?  That sounds like right wing logic.

  • pbmann

    The amount of welfare a person can recieve has benn slashed.  The overall amount of welfare to support all of he people who have dropped below the poverty line has increased becasue their are more and ore poor people.

    USe a little common sense and think for a second.

  • pbmann

    Only the fact that the benefit PER PERSON has gone down. The overall spending has gone up because more and more people are falling below the poverty line.  Think on that for a minute to see if you can figure out what I am saying.

  • pbmann

    Most jobs at McDonalds are not meant to be the primary wage job for the main family provider.  They are meant to be part time and entry level jobs for people just entering the workforce.

  • pbmann

    MAine has the lowest welfare benefits of all the northeast states. PERIOD.

    6 times more welfare recipients leave Maine then come into Maine. PERIOD

  • pbmann

    There is not a country in the world with single-payer healthcare or as you would call it Socialist healthcare that would trade it for ours.  That says volumes about our healthcare system.

  • pbmann

    Afghanistan has upwards of $20 trillion dollars worth of natural resources that are currently un explioted.  These resources include Iron, copper, zinc and maybe the largest source of rare earth elements.  These mineral resources were discovered during the USSR’s attempt to contraol Afghanistan.

    It is also the only country along the propsed path of the TAPI Oil pipeline (Turkmenistan Afghanistan Pakistan India) that can not secure the necessary territory.  Most of the US efforts to stabilize Afghanistan have been in the area that will be used for the TAPI pipeline.  The other NATO countries were charged with subduing the restof Afghanistan

  • pbmann

    A lot of the tax shelters were for re-investing in the business

  • pbmann

    If you cut sports you would save less then $150,000 a year, less if the school doesn’t have football.  The same with theatre, music and the other extra -curricular activities.  Most of these activites have some kind of activity fee associatied with it.  At least they did whenI went to school.

    A large pat of teh increase i ncosts of educationis the result of “No Child Left Behind” which was designed to make public education more costly and thus open to easier to attack from Republicans who want to see public education weakened or gone altogether.

  • pbmann

    That is just for pot.  How about all the rest of the illigal drugs on the market.  Some without a proven test to determine usage and new designer drugs appearing all the time.  Is there a drug test for Bath Salts, for example?

    Why stop at illegal drugs?  Should someone on welfare be allowed to smoke or drink alcohol?   I know they are illegal but why should my taxes pay for someone to use legal drugs I don’t?

  • http://twitter.com/Phoebe6853 Phoebe Figalilly

    Wrong!  We are not a Democratic Republic, we are a Constitutional Republic, our founders never mentioned the word democracy, do your homework before you run off at the mouth.

  • George Venturelli

    I’m not dismissing raising revenuse, I’m just saying we won’t do it because it’s not on the agenda.  My post is long, but you should read on :)

  • Anonymous

    Cain’s point in the article is that we needn’t look at just either/or.  There are other sources of funds that can be used/raised that could fill in the gap.  Please stop villifying the poor and their VOICELESS CHILDREN.  And, the dumbing-down of Maine’s education system is no way to fill LePage’s jobs pledge.

  • Anonymous

    Listen rusjan, this is not a telly tubby world.   Those who work have nothing but bills and taxes to look forward to.   What is the incentive in finding a job?   welfare and mainecare is a sweet deal why get off of it? 

  • Anonymous

    ANYTHING YOU SAY LEADHEAD..YOUR THE “NO” IT ALL

  • Anonymous

    you keep studying your surveys and studies poll and opinions that all you understand leadmann …have any real ideas of your own???

  • Anonymous

    every time you speak your IQ drops

  • Anonymous

    never been an employer eh..it shows

  • Anonymous

    you are a career full time going back to school to study how to keep unemployed….

  • Anonymous

    you told us you never worked a day and that it was a full time job for you to keep yourself unemployed…so which is it??? lie lie lie

  • Anonymous

    Our government and all of its branches have failed the American people. The greed of our politicians, our financial institutions and our corporations has cost us our jobs, our way of life and our children’s future. By securing the ignorance of the people through deception and manipulating the laws of our country, our government has raped what was once a great nation. Our politicians are nothing more than whores bought and paid for by special interest. They do the bidding of those who pay for their vote without concern for the consequences that such actions with have on the American people or our nation. Our government has betrayed the United States of America that they have sworn to protect. No greater treason has ever been committed.

  • Anonymous

    Baloney! Either you pay a higher tax rate or you don’t, it’s not THAT complicated…that’s just what they tell people like you, so you keep believing in the system. Don’t you agree that the tax rate of wealthy/corporations has been cut over and over again…look at where it has gotten us! A single person making $40,000 pays more taxes than Exxon!

    And you know why social services spending was lower? Because the economy was in great shape, there were actually jobs, the dollar had more buying power, and there wasn’t a huge wealth gap. If you actually believe the reason that spending on social services has increased is due to increased laziness then you’ve been duped my friend. Yes, I would like to see spending on social services decreased…but I don’t want to see it slashed and burned. I want to see it decrease the proper way…through creation of  skills and jobs…through our government actually working for US and not just a few. 

  • Anonymous

    The uneducated vote republican. You gotta build your base.

  • Anonymous

    Is this article about Obama? Try supporting our local government and try not to be partisan.

  • Anonymous

    You play ball my way or I’m taking my ball and going home.

  • Anonymous

    I looked up Exxon’s taxes from 2010. 7.7 billion US income before taxes. 340 million state income taxes. 1.3 net Federal income taxes. 18% tax rate excluding state taxes. I would think  a person making $40,000/year is going to have a problem paying more than that.

  • poormaniac

    I’ll bet girls can participate in all those sports.

  • poormaniac

    I agree 100%

  • poormaniac

    No argument there , just off subject.

  • pbmann

    Make stuff up much INBUSINESS? 

    I have never said I never worked a day.  I started working when I turned 16 and worked part-time as I wwent to HS and worked full time as I went to college.  I had held a job from when I was 16 until two months before my 47th birthday when I was laid off.

    It is you who is putting words in my mouth and lying 

  • Anonymous

    Go ahead, cut education… won’t hurt a thing.

  • pbmann

    Something I say strike a nerve.  You seem to be making up alot of stuff about me.  Is that how you ratioalize things.  Make up stuff to fit what you think?

  • pbmann

    A lot of employers are using cheaper temps and “outside contractors” to avoid
    paying a decent wage and benefits.   That is a true statement. 

    If you are an employer then you would know it is true. 

  • pbmann

    When a person resorts to name calling or put downs, they have lost the argument.  You know it and I know it. 

     It is the last resort for a losing argument.

  • pbmann

    Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

  • pbmann

    Show me an original idea of your own.  I’ll wait.

  • pbmann

    There are only 100 families in Maine per year that will leave enough wealth, over $2 million, that will be affected by the estate tax.  The wealth includes any money, property, investments left to a non spouse at time of death.  But I am guessing youalready knew that but were trying to cloud theissue.

  • pbmann

    Estate taxes have been used by the US since the early 1800′s to slow the concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer hands.  It was in response to most of the wealth being owned/controlled by royalty and the very wealthy in Europe.  Our forefathers did not want to have a new royalty created in the US.

  • Anonymous

    That is your “”"”opinion”"  or BS….why do always attack the hand that feeds you. Show proof that its to AVOID.. paying . you generalize all employers don’t care about employees your dead wrong…. I will find you more employees who care less about their job and employer….maybe that all a company can afford to stay afoat… a start up company in this economy can’t pay high wages. us businesses who have saved for these rainy days will stay afloat and our employees realize it.  you act like you know the financials of all businesses.. a business that operates from day to day will be out of business in a day.. a sucessfull business needs to see where its headed and what it takes to get there. we pay double and plus the minimum wage …why because training the idiots coming into the workforce today cost alot of money… think they can start at 15$ and know nothing.. we pay good employees well to stay here so we have no turnover.

  • pbmann

    Estate Tax does not take anything from you, you are dead.  IF you pass it on to your wife or husband nothing is taxed.  If you take the appropriate legal steps to protect your wealth, nothing is taxed or very little is taxed.  If you do nothing to protect your wealth, then if you leave over $2 million per child then they will be taxed

  • Anonymous

    and if you were an employer which your not you would not say that. unless that is how a person like you would run a business as that what you assume the all to be

  • pbmann

    Not one verifiable case of a farm being lost because of the  Estate Tax or being cut up to pay for the Estate Tax.   If that farm wa worth $2 million and left to 1 child, no tax.  If teh farm is worth $4 million and given to 2 or more children, no tax.  The tax is on wealth left to each child over $2 million and farmers have more that 1 child on average that is why there is not verified case of a farm being lost or cut up after the death of the last remeining parent.

    That is a boogey man created by the right wing to cover the up the real reason they want to reduce/repeal the Estate Tax. 

  • Anonymous

    maybe you’ll wake up when you reach the age of 18 hopefully by 24 anyway

  • pbmann

    Sorry to hear that you are sick.  Good luck and you will be missed

  • pbmann

    Most of the very rich in this country earned their money the old fashioned way.  They inherited it.  Why should the estate not be taxed then, they didn’t “earn” like you did.

  • pbmann

    And one of the better ones

  • pbmann

    The rich already live in states with no income tax.  Just ask the Bush Family.  Their legal home address is an apartment in Houston, TX high rise but they spend the majority of the year in their $2million home in Kennebunk. 

    If you are rich you can keep your legal residence in a non Income Tax State and live the majority of your time at you “vacation” home.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

     Fannie and Freddie did not directly ruin it. However to use Fannie and Freddie Mr Frank made a policy that banks had to make loads to a much lower standard IE they were forced to make loans to people they knew could not pay the money back. So while your correct that F&F in and of themselves did not ruin the housing market the policies banks had to meet to use then did.

    This is not a disputable fact. It is very easy to read and find the necessary information. GO back and look when Mr Frank forced this policy on the banks many banks ( the ones not effected buy the housing fall) chose to no longer use F&F though many banks did not use them anyway. Odd how the banks who use F&F where so effected but those that did not use F&F had no problems.

    Call it right wing all you want but them is the facts! Simple economic proof backed up by facts not rhetoric.

  • pbmann

    Reading comprehensionis a good thing. 

    I never said all employers, I said a lot of employers use temp services and outside contractors to lower costs.  that was in reply to you stating that all you had to do to get a job was work hard and in 6 months you would get a permanent job.  I stated that was not true in a lot of businesses because they utilize temporary workers and outside contrators, both of which are not likely to get hired on permanently.  And why shuold the company hire them on permanently, if they do then they become liable for wages AND an ybenefits teh company provides and cannot get rid of them as easily as they can a temp or ooutside contractor.  That is just a fact of the workplace now.

    I understand companies have to make money to survive.  That does not mean I have to like allof the methods they do to do that.  And most of the big companies I have worked are not loyal to their employees but expect loyalty back.  The smaller companies I have worked for do show that loyalty and they get loyalty back.  It is a two way street.

  • pbmann

    So in your world there  are no temp services and outside contractors.  I just made those things up in my over active imagination.

    I am decrying the lack of good paying jobs but you have decided that if I ran a business I would use the same methods as the ones I am decrying.  That is good logic there.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

    Now try to prove that point valid using the amount of welfare per person.

    Sure we have less welfare overall then the other NE states we have less people! But as a percentage per person we are right up there.

    Please give us a cite where the 6 times leave vs come to Maine  can be found. All the information I have seen goes the other way.

  • pbmann

    I have to llok pretty far back to remember my teens and twenties. 

    I have learned in my 47, almost 48 years that when a person I am having a deiscussion with resorts to name calling the discussion is over.  Name calling brings NOTHING to the table.  Even an 8 year old knows that.

  • pbmann

    Here is my source

    http://www.mejp.org/PDF/tanf_facts.pdf

    now prove your assertion that I am wrong

    on edit…. it only took me a minute to do a google search to find this

  • pbmann

    http://www.mejp.org/PDF/tanf_facts.pdf

    Now show me your links that prove otehrwise

  • Anonymous

    we have a o patent pending on one tool and 3 trade marks  on 3 products we developed  the sixties for the industrial commercial market.  

  • Anonymous

    i love the truth hate the stupidity

  • Anonymous

    re-read your first sentance and point me out where i said you work hard and in 6 month go will be hired permenently?? you seem to be an expert at reading between the lines only to comprehend something that is not…. putting words in where there were never said.. but you know what  if you go for part time jobs seasonal or temporary,…. do expect them all if any to turn into full time if you do not put any effort…

  • pbmann

    Several things wrong with your post.  If felt like wasting my time I could scroll thru all the post on this forum to your original post that stated that “if you work hard and in six months you might get a permanent paycheck, blah blah blah”.

    AND I stand by my post that a lot of companies are hiring temporary workers or outside contractors.  If they hire a temp and the temp works hard teh company will keep the temp, as a temp, but if they temp does not work hard tehy will just get another temp.  The same with outside contractors.  Occasionally a temp may get hired on full time but that is not the norm because of the additional costs of a full tiem employee as opposed to a temporary employee, ie. Health Benefits, Sick Days, Vacation Days etc.

  • Anonymous

    In that last comment i forgot the word <not…if yougo for temp seasonal partime jobs do ****not***** expect them to become full time….and as far as 6 month and turning into full time …your only fooling yourself if you think that a part ime job unless stated in the job descrpiton will turn full time at all…  and it was never said by me

  • Anonymous

    what the h&*ll is that>>>>>>>>

  • Anonymous

    or we could have field hockey, gymnastics and ballet and let the boys participate.

    Title 9 made a huge difference in the women’s lives.  let’s not turn the clock back.

  • Anonymous

    The ball doesn’t belong to LePage.  He’s playing with a ball that belongs to all of us. 

  • Anonymous

    You seem to be stereotyping assistance recepients as un-wed mother’s with oodles of kids, lying to the government with an unempoloyed boyfriend at home.    

    You will be suprised of the number of elderly that utilize these benefits.  You will also be alarmed as to how many handicapped and disabled people use the benefits as well.

    You are correct, it’s not a Telly Tubby world,  but’s it’s also not “to the victor’s go t he spoils”.   Damn if we can send billions and trillions to other country’s, corporations, and wall street…..we can afford a meals on wheels program!   Which, have sadly, kept discontinuing and going away. 

    You should stop stereotyping benefit assistance, and look at the bigger picture.

  • Anonymous

    Not!… If you want a test that is manipulable, untrustworthy, and opened up for lawsuits, go for it. I may add that the governor, yesterday, stated in Ellsworth when asked about the constitutionality of “warrantless” drug searches. His reply was: and I’m paraphrasing; * It’s not unconstitutional until the Supreme Court says so”

    So what he is saying is, I’m going to try to do it until they MAKE me stop! How smart is that?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

    I have to ask why is she living in poverty? Does she own her home? She worked all her life but has no savings?  Where are her kids?

    The fact that she for whatever reason is unable to care for herself makes it ok to take from those who do to give to her? If you follow that logic then what is goign to happen when people decide it is no longer worth it to work hard and do better? O wait we already have that in Maine!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

    All the time. Places like Eastport and Lubec where people have lived on the same land for many generations are forced to sell it because of inflated property taxes sue to folks form away buying land and building very expensive homes driving the tax rates up exponentially. I have the name of one person who was forced to sell over 200 acres that had been in his family from the 1700′s to the 90′s. Just woods nothing  fancy. If he says I can I will post his name and see if he would come here and post the details.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

     No the money has already been taxed and retaxed!

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