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Voter fraud rare in Maine, elsewhere with same-day registration

Posted Nov. 01, 2011, at 5:40 a.m.
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Should we make voting as easy as possible so that more people will vote?

If we make voting easier, will many ineligible people vote?

When Maine votes on Nov. 8 on Question 1 — deciding whether to overturn the Legislature’s plan to end voter registration on future election days — it will answer these two questions.

In recent decades, Maine has allowed people to register to vote on Election Day, eliminating the need to register separately and in advance. It is one of 10 states that have so-called “same-day” registration, which will still be in effect on Nov. 8.

The theory is that voting is made easier by eliminating the need for advance registration, so more people will vote. Although many factors affect turnout, in the 2010 elections, average turnout in the “same-day” states was 48.3 percent, compared with 40.9 percent in the United States as a whole.

Encouraging voting is American public policy. For example, the federal “motor-voter” law allows registration when renewing a driver’s license.

While we know much about participation, we have few statistics on illegal voting, almost certainly because voter fraud is rare in all states. For example, an Ohio study of two elections there in which a total of more than 9 million votes were cast, found four cases of voter fraud. Polling data shows that a relatively few people are seriously worried about fraud.

Isolated cases of voting by ineligible voters have been found, but they amount to a tiny fraction of one percent of votes cast. A few illegal voters, some for innocent reasons, are not evidence of an attempt by a political organization to influence the outcome of an election.

North Dakota, counted among the “same-day” states, is the only state that does not require voter registration at all. People simply show identification or are recognized as local residents when they come to vote. The state says that, by keeping voting precincts small, officials are usually able to recognize their neighbors. Voter fraud has not been found, and voting participation is higher than average.

Maine is similar to North Dakota with many polling places relative to population, making it easier for election officials to spot potential fraud.

Aside from North Dakota’s rejection of voter registration, same-day registration might seem to be the most aggressive way to encourage participation by simplifying the process. But it is not.

Some countries require people to vote. In such cases, they use so-called “passive registration,” where the voter does nothing in advance of voting. The government compiles the list of eligible voters based on other data – residential information, tax returns and driver’s licenses. Under this mandatory system, Australia has around 95 percent participation. The voting law is enforced, and violators are subject to fine.

The “passive” system also works where voting is not required by law, such as in Canada. There, if the government has not placed a person on the voting rolls, the person may still register on their own. In this year’s elections, the turnout in Canada was 61.4 percent, well ahead of even the “same-day” states.

It is unlikely that the United States would adopt either mandatory voting or passive registration. Both would probably be seen as putting government into a decision that ought to be up to each voter. That’s why efforts are made to encourage people to vote here by, among other means, making it easy to register.

The Question 1 referendum in Maine is not only a matter of balancing two valid public policy concerns – encouraging voting and discouraging fraud. It is also a politically partisan issue.

Proponents of ending Election Day or “same-day” registration (“no” voters on Question 1) say that allowing people to register while officials are busy with balloting may allow unqualified voters to slip through and commit voter fraud. This is the Republican position.

Opponents, who want to keep the current “same-day” system (“yes” voters on Question 1) say that those who register on Election Day include young and other first-time voters, and low-income people – considered traditional Democratic constituencies. Not surprisingly, this is the Democratic position.

This debate has been taking place all across the country. In almost all cases, the initiative for imposing tougher conditions on voting has come from Republican legislatures. Although they have not presented specific cases of fraud, they appear to fear that easier voting access disadvantages the G.O.P.

Without any proven cases of voter fraud, Maine, with “same-day” registration, tied for first in the country in voter participation in 2010 at 55.5 percent.

As for partisan politics, both Maine and North Dakota went Republican that year.

Gordon L. Weil is a contributing writer at the Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting (pinetreewatchdog.org). He is an author and publisher and served as a Maine state agency head. Weil was also a correspondent for the Washington Post and a columnist for the Financial Times. He is a former Harpswell selectman. He may be contacted at Weil.Gordon@gmail.com.

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  • Anonymous

    Can I get me a votin’ license heah?

  • Anonymous

    With all of your qualifications listed, Mr. Weil, it is still possible that your research did not include standing at the polls on election day in order to see the college students brought it to register to vote in towns where they did not reside.  NO on 1( 2 and 3 also) still a priority.
    Also noticed from the Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting website that S. Donald Sussman, Chellie Pingree’s billionaire husband, is an individual supporter, and he had given $100,000. in July to the Yes on 1 petitioners who spent almost that much gathering signatures..IS THERE SOMETHING FISHY IN THIS BROOK? Maine voters do not fall for everything hook, line and sinker—so whose interests are you promoting? Maybe the “occupiers” have been given money by more than George Soros.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently you need to read:

    http://www.mainepolicy.org/2011/10/protecting-the-integrity-of-maine%E2%80%99s-elections-election-day-registration-in-maine/

    And for those who dismiss this as fraudulent because it is the work of the MHPC, there are sources at the end of the article.

  • Dumbb All Over

    We had a nice long investigation here about that.  Your job bringin, fraud stoppin government didn’t find squat…they spent your money doing it  and you’ll re-elect ‘em. That’s wicked dumbb.

  • Dumbb All Over

    So you saw all these ” college students brought it to register to vote in towns where they did not reside” on election day at the polls? Are we just regurgitating what the puppetmasters at MHPC told us again? Your people investigated it dumbby…there is no fraud. Maybe you should be chasing the red communist voters in our ranks. This would be a worthwhile investigation and we could pay for it by eliminating useless programs like MaineCare, the DEP and DHHS.

  • Anonymous

    The only Voter fraud going on is the systematic suppression of votes in 34 states. Fraud is to kind a word, theft, better suites what the Republicans are up to.

    Vote Yes on 1

  • Dumbb All Over

    Sources listed at the end of MHPC  don’t make the report valid. The devil’s in the details…aint that right Guvnah?

  • Anonymous

    Yes on one.

  • Anonymous

    There are those who would, if they could, restrict voting rights to those they judge to be old enough, smart enough, rich enough, church-going enough, and “American” enough.

    The problem for those folks is that they are in the minority.

  • Anonymous

    Funny how all the right wing buffoons are NOW screaming bloody murder regarding same-day voter registration…which has been going on for thirty-eight (38) YEARS, when prior to Herr Vebster and Reichmarshall Summers mentioning it they NEVER SAID A PEEP ABOUT IT!!!! Partisan doofuses.

  • newportres

    “there is no fraud”That is not even close to what the investigators said Dumbb All Over.
    First we must define what a resident is.  Then we must enforce residency rules.
    Finally with all of that in place we must act on complaints as soon as possible instead of waiting until an administration that cares is elected.
    If all of those things were put in place and we then had someone who was actually looking for voter fraud then you might get to see it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCC3ABRLTIU3EFA26HUIDQZTSM Chris

    YES on 1.

  • Anonymous

    where is the proof?  do you have proof?  if you were there, did you report it?  if a friends of  yours was there, did they report it?

    names.  places.  license plate numbers of the ‘buses’.  please. some info.  this is too important not to take seriously.

  • Anonymous

    You can’t REALLY be that brain dead…The article you’ve pasted is WRITTEN by the CEO of the MHPC (who most recently was ROBert Nutting’s communications director (yeah, like THAT’S something to put on a resume). 

    The sources listed include numerous citations for the Maine Secretary of State (who is championing this issue), the Heritage Foundation (A super-right wing think tank which provides the MHPC with ITS agenda), and John Ford (editor of another right wing blowhard rag, the American Spectator).

    Next time, why don’t you just give us Charlie Webster’s phone number as a source.

    Unbelievable.

  • Anonymous

    don’t forget white enough, straight enough, man enough

  • Anonymous

    Residency as far as college students go is a federal thing and all proposed changes made by the Maine Secretary of State would have been in violation. This voter fraud issue is a way for the Republicans to remove the liberal young vote.

  • Anonymous

    We should stop talking about this issue, because it doesn’t exist.  This is the kind of  ‘leadership’ that we’re getting from the Penguin administration – vote suppression based on lies.

  • Anonymous

    And I am sure you still question if smoking is good for you or not. YES ON ONE

  • midmainer

    A very good read, thanks Mr Weil. I never considered the possibility, why do we have voter registration? The local government knows us, knows where we live. Why not just allow us to go in to the polling place and vote?

  • Anonymous

    Not only did they not find fraud. They ain’t been doing a very good job in the job bringin dept. either.

  • Anonymous

    Hmmmm….interesting, now what will the Vote NO on 1 people come up with for an excuse. They are claiming that “outside interests” are to blame.

  • Anonymous

    Now why would you think anyone would dismiss something as fraudulent simply because it comes from MHPC? Could it be that even you question MHPC’s honesty?  Oh do they still have their offices in a Post Office Box?  YES ON ONE

  • Anonymous

    Too funny, the rightwing has a propensity for pointing to each other’s articles to prove something is true, when in fact the initial assumption is always false or logically twisted to suit their Extreme agenda.

  • Anonymous

    Voter fraud happens everywhere; even in Maine, folks!  What is the big issue with registering two days before, so your legal residence can be checked out?

    VOTE NO ON #1

    A no vote will ensure that ‘frauders’ can be checked out and not allowed to vote.

  • Anonymous

    Keep the thieves of Democracy at bay …………… Yes on #1

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    are you volunteering?  Sounds like a good job for you….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    yes, I’m sure if they could restrict to just those categories they would…anything to suppress voting.  If they can’t win on their merits, lets restrict who can vote in their favor…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    MHPC is the Governor Whisperer…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    Really?  You had better let Charlie Summers know because he found none, zip,zero, nada….

  • Anonymous

    Assuming a college student registers in the town where he or she attends school, all is required is proof of domicile (a dormitory, an apartment – wherever the registrant is living in the particular town at the time of registration). It makes no difference where the person’s parents, cousins, aunts, uncles or any other relatives live at the time. It makes no difference where the person lives during school vacations or any other time. What matters is the person’s place of domicile at the time of registration. The courts have upheld this as satisfactory proof of  the person’s residence in the town where he or she wishes to register to vote. 
    Is it really so difficult to comprehend? Having worked at the registration desk for a number of elections, it isn’t all that difficult to administer the process: a verifiable photo id (passport, drivers license, university id), proof of place of residence (a utility bill, college room assignment document or similar document with the registrant’s name on it), completed registration card in the presence of the registrar – that’s the process. There are always party poll watchers, and a registrant’s ballot can be challenged. When it comes to possible election fraud, in Maine and elsewhere there have been more cases of “lost” ballots, disqualified ballots for flimsy reasons, “whoops, we must have mis-counted,” ballot machine failure cases over the years than cases in which voters have lied about their current residence. 

  • Anonymous

    The BDN analysis that ran a few days back said it all.  About 50,000 voters registered on election day 2008.  The large majority of them did not affiliate with any party.  Second place went to registered Democrats.  Republicans came in a distant third, barely ahead of the Greens. 

    Naturally, the Republicans want to cut out such un-American behavior . . .

  • ledabeth

    Unfortunately the “No on 1″ folks seem have a lot of money to run misleading ads, and they aren’t using any facts to do it.  They make it seem like we are under attack from surrounding states — “outsiders.”  I wonder if it is really outsiders that are trying to keep some Mainers from voting by running these ads.  Where are these big bucks coming from?  Don’t be fooled– vote Yes on 1!!

  • Anonymous

    Are you Charlie No. 3?

    Nice to see the Stooges are getting the band back together.

    Yes on one.

  • kcjonez

    “…….based on lies”  

    and marching orders from their corporate masters.  

  • kcjonez

    Encourage democracy.  

    Vote.  

    YES on 1!  

  • Anonymous

    Yes on Please! All they want to do is take away our RIGHTS  If No wins the next thing they’ll do is make us show photo ID to vote and about 15% of  AMERICAN people dont’ have any and their right to Vote will be taken away!! There has only been about 80 cases of Voter fraud in the whole Countey in the past ten years with over one houndred million votes cast!! WE must vote yes on #1

  • Anonymous

    No surprise there.

    Fox “news” actors interview each other then cite them as “sources”.

  • Anonymous

    Except no fraud has been found so what’s the problem again?

    Yes one one.

  • Anonymous

    Gee ya think?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Hosebeast/100002095287763 Regina Hosebeast

    Name calling again I see. “Buffoons” and “doofuses” this time. Perhaps more people would take your posts seriously if you lost the mindless and redundant yelling (upper case words). And your supposition that because same-day voter registration has been going on for “thirty-eight (38) YEARS” somehow makes it right, is ridiculous. Have another drink and calm down. Your ignorant posts are not doing your beloved party any favors.

  • Anonymous

    Yes on one. It’s a privilege. Don’t fQQk with it.

  • Anonymous

    Maine’s GOP will suffer greatly for following lock-step with the national right wing movement to stifle democracy in this nation.

    Appalling!

  • Anonymous

    Voter fraud is miniscule compared to election fraud. Our election system is a joke.

    Read bradblog, blackboxvoting and mark crispin miller for details.

    Were US relations sold to corporations so Clarence Thomas could reward his friends?

    http://www.alternet.org/news/152901/were_u.s._elections_sold_to_corporations_so_clarence_thomas_could_reward_his_friends

  • Anonymous

    Get rid of college students voting? Do you subscribe to only land owners voting like some on the far right? 

  • Anonymous

    “This voter fraud issue is a way for the Republicans to remove the liberal young vote.”

    And the poor and minorities.

     Fewer polling stations and voting machines  in poorer areas are fine with the right wing. But Ann Coulter and other leading republicans actually committing voter fraud is not prosecuted. Two americas, two justice systems.

  • Anonymous

    Right wingers are sad because nobody wants to vote for them. Throwing tantrums.

  • Anonymous

    It is such an obvious tactic that I do not understand why it has gone on for this long. How are so many tricked into thinking widespread voter fraud is occurring? If it was I think Cutler would have gotten elected.

  • http://www.facebook.com/antonio.giarratano Antonio Giarratano

    What does all this bickering matter? You all sound like  a bunch of children! The question is, Is same-day voter registration even as big of a deal as they are all making it. How many people each election/vote have to actually register? Last time I checked only people who moved, previously claimed residence elsewhere, or have not voted before have to register. Once you’ve registered as long as you don’t move, you don’t have to do it again. So, realistically speaking, how many people honestly have to register each election/poll, whether it’s the same day, or two weeks in advance.

    How much money has been lost by having this dragged out this long? There are Mainers that are freezing, homeless, and need help, but all you people will jump up and down like children over something so petty, so insignificant, and spend so much money on these campaigns, making signs, making commercials. This is why there is so many problems with this state and this country, get your priorities straight people!

  • Anonymous

    Two presidential elections have been stolen. 2000 and 2004 . That is ok with the right wing. But students and minorities voting? Not so much.

    When the votes were finally counted in Fl in 2000, Gore had won. The Supreme Court selected g bush. He could never win in a fair election. 

    In 2004, Ohio was stolen. Many states were dubious. The democrats have not stopped the election fraud, so they are complicit. 

    Now Nancy Pelosi is saying it is ok to cut back on Social Security and Medicare. This is what we get with a criminal election system.

  • Anonymous

    The right wing is saying that only land owners should vote. That poorer people voting keeps them out of power.

  • Anonymous

    Fox News is not allowed in Canada. They have a law stating that news organizations can’t make up their own news. Or lie.

  • Anonymous

    Why change the system when there is virtually no voter fraud in ME?

  • Anonymous

    “Unfortunately the “No on 1″ folks seem have a lot of money to run misleading ads, and they aren’t using any facts to do it.”

    There seems to be an alarming lack of facts from this administration in Augusta and it’s proponents. Just flame throwing, name calling and misstatements. People aren’t attracted to that . 

  • Anonymous

    That does say it all.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, not a privilege.  A right . . .

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t vote last time. But was glad that lepage was elected. Here is the answer to your question.

    “6. A controlled mass media 

    Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452684179 Jason Simonds

    I might say.. if you have to ask????

    It matters because one of the fundamental duties I perform as a citizen of the USA is to Vote.

    It matters because the only logical reason I can think of for this law to have been passed in the spring, was to disadvantage voters the GOP believes should not be voting.

    All other reasons the GOP has come up with have been refuted. No logic they have applied holds up to scrutiny.

    If the GOP is willing to lie and cheat to change the playing field, and to do so out in the open… what are they capable of doing behind closed doors??? In the effort to change the playing field, the GOP has brazenly shown how low they can go to try to affect change.

    How much money??? I think there is no amount of money that would have been too much to stop this Un-American and wholly disgusting attempt to prevent me from voting.

    If the ability of “the people” to vote is not a priority, then we are not the country I thought we should be.

  • Anonymous

    I have a right to vote, Will you support gun owners registering? 

  • Anonymous

    I have retracted my comment because it was in fact based on hearsay. I’m sorry that I may have offended some folks.

  • Anonymous

    50,000 people found they needed to register when they got to the polls in last presidential election, if I recall correctly (maybe it was the 2010 election).

    Maine has a low population, and can afford to offer us the right to register at the polls. And we should— town offices typically close before people with jobs get off work, my town office isn’t even open on Friday! And the town clerks have come forth and said there isn’t any problem handling the voters who have to register on election day.

    I’m a registered republican, and I registered at the polls the year I moved to Maine last century. Paul LePage even registered “too soon” according to proponents of the new law.

    Vote yes on 1!

  • Anonymous

    Statistically this makes no sense whatsoever. Election day registration has far more benefits than it does dangers of fraud.

  • Anonymous

    I was dumbfounded by the No on 1 ads that were plastered all over television last night. The entire ad speaks to support a Yes on 1 vote, and ends with “vote No on 1″.

    It is clear to me that they have lost this fight, and are now seeking to confuse voters in an effort to keep the veto from happening.

  • Anonymous

    I registered without affiliation to a party when I registered at the polls, and then registered as a Republican when a primary election came up for me to vote in.

    In other words, it makes total sense that the majority are unaffiliated, because party affiliation makes no difference when registering on election day– it’s only applicable to primaries.

  • Anonymous

    Statistically this makes no sense. You are disenfranchising tens of thousands of voters for the sake of maybe catching a single instance of voter fraud…

    Vote Yes on 1, the system works fine for Maine as it was!

  • Anonymous

    People can believe anything they want. Though they have no proof, some people are convinced laundry gremlins hid their missing socks.

  • Anonymous

    Which is hilarious, because it was “outside interests” that handed the bill to our Maine legislature this past session to repeal election day registration.

  • Anonymous

    Oddly enough, the Maine Legislature did nothing to improve a central voter registry or other “faults” this report recommends. They simply sought to remove election day registration.

    The report is disingenuous when it says the restriction is “only two days before the election”– it’s actually two business days, which makes it the Wednesday or Thursday before election day. I call that “almost a week”.

    Statistically speaking, it makes no sense whatsoever to remove election day registration in Maine. Yes, most states don’t allow for this— but most states have a greater population density, and their town offices are open for longer hours.

    We know for a fact that 50,000 people registered to vote on election day in a recent election. We know for a fact that many Republicans, including our Governor Paul LePage, registered to vote on election day or the day before (“too soon” by your standards). We know after investigation this year that voter fraud is practically nonexistant. So you are in fact recommending we disenfranchise tens of thousands of eligible voters for no statistically valid reason whatsoever.

    Apparently, you need to learn math.

  • newportres

    Residency as far as College Students go is NOT a federal issue it is a STATE issue.
    The SC did make a decision but you should understand the decision before you attempt to use it as any sort of evidence to prove a point you think you have.

  • Anonymous

    Oddly enough, the college students you demonize here can still vote no matter what the outcome of this referendum.

    Vote Yes on 1, because our town offices aren’t open long enough for working Mainers to register without taking time off their jobs otherwise!

  • newportres

    And if you claim the college as your domicile you MUST also do the rest of the things that residents must do in this state.
    IF you own a car you must register it in that town.
    IF you have a drivers license you must amend it within a set time period to show your new residence.
    You may not have your cake and eat it to.

  • Anonymous

    Let us look at this from a perspective other than political postioning.  If you can’t register to vote in the 200 plus days that you have to do so at any of the various places that are available then maybe you haven’t had time to really figure out what it is that you are voting for.  As for those that are not residents that sign up at the last minute such as students and so on.  Think about this they will probably leave town when their education is done but have left a lasting impact on your local government operations and taxes.  Remember they have the right to vote by absenteeism for their home of record.

  • Anonymous

    The Federal government has rules regarding residency established that affect things like gun purchases etc. The proposed chages made by the Maine SoS were in violation of federal acts.

  • newportres

    Please state the violation.

  • Anonymous

    Voting Rights Act protects voters in a federal election from harassment and intimidation which the Secretary of State’s witch hunt against college students (possibly, no one pursued it in court as of yet) violates. The findings of this witch hunt also stated no occurrence of voter fraud could be found.

  • Tyke

    It is perfectly legal to declare one’s domicile for voting purposes one week then change it for other purposes the next week. There is absolutely NO legal restriction on how often one’s residency can be changed or how long one has to maintain residency in order to vote.

    Since the requirements to resister cars, change licenses etc do not kick in for 30 days, clearly students may have their cake and eat it too — and it is 100% legal to do so.

  • Tyke

    Belittling someone else’s language while simultaneously nastily calling for someone who disagrees with you to “have another drink” is just a teensy bit hypocritical, doncha think?

    Your ignorant posts are not doing your beloved party any favors.

  • newportres

    And you approve of that sort of vote manipulation?
    No wonder you don’t believe voter fraud exists.
    By the way the SC did determine that States could put some time limits on residency.
    Dunn v. Blumstein

  • Tyke

    Furthermore, city and town clerks have verified that whether a registration is received days prior to or on election day, it is handled EXACTLY THE SAME.

    Not one bit of extra checking happens for earlier registrations than for those on election day. Not. One. Bit.

  • newportres

    This was your quote “Residency as far as college students go is a federal thing and all proposed changes made by the Maine Secretary of State would have been in violation”.
    I already pointed out where you were wrong on the residency issue and now I want you to point out the violation you are referring to in this quote.
    The harassment charge is bogus and you know it so stop trying to change the subject.
    Maine sets the rules for voter residency and the SOS can go after anyone who does not comply with all of those rules.

  • Anonymous

    Paul LePage must not have had time to really figure out what he votes for then?

    He voted the day before election day in the early 80′s, “too soon” according to this new law.

    I voted at the polls when I moved to Maine last century, I have voted in every election since moving to Maine. I am very educated on who and what I am voting for.

    The fact of the matter is there are great reasons to keep election day registration, 50,000+ voters find they must register at the polls for a variety of reasons. Conversely, investigations into fraud have turned up nothing of substance.

    Disenfranchising tens of thousands of voters because you judge them as being too lazy to register beforehand is poor logic, and isn’t born out by numerous examples of those who have registered at the polls yet are very educated, very engaged, and very entitled to have their vote counted as much as yours.

    Vote yes on 1!

  • Anonymous

    So the Secretary of State is free to harass voters as he sees fit?

  • Anonymous

    27 CFR 178.11: MEANING OF TERMS

    An out-of-State college student may establish residence in a State by
    residing and maintaining a home in a college dormitory or in a location
    off-campus during the school term.

    ATF Rul. 80-21

    “State of residence” is defined by regulation in 27 CFR 178.11 as the
    State in which an individual regularly resides or maintains a home. The
    regulation also provides an example of an individual who maintains a home
    in State X and a home in State Y. The individual regularly resides in
    State X except for the summer months and in State Y for the summer months
    of the year. The regulation states that during the time the individual
    actually resides in State X he is a resident of State X, and during the
    time he actually resides in State Y he is a resident of State Y.

    Applying the above example to out-of-State college students it is held,
    that during the time the students actually reside in a college dormitory
    or at an off-campus location they are considered residents of the State
    where the dormitory or off-campus home is located. During the time
    out-of-State college students actually reside in their home State they
    are considered residents of their home State.

    [ATFB 1980-4 25]
    federal residency guidelines

  • Anonymous

    Pot kettle. Perhaps you should read your own posts sometime.

  • Anonymous

    You are so correct!!

  • newportres

    And nothing the SOS was proposing was in violation of anything you wrote there.
    So what was the violation he was proposing?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, but wait and see.
    YES on 1 will win.

  • newportres

    If you consider investigations and enforcement action to be harassment then our police are going to have an awful problem doing their jobs.

  • Anonymous

    You can bet on it. It would be their typical tactics.

  • Anonymous

    Of course, that has a lot to do with it. They saw that and decided they had to resort to some means to keep themselves in power.  However , too many people are seeing through that.
    Yes on 1.

  • Anonymous

    Too bad the Republicans had to start this whole thing.  Everything was working just fine till they decided to meddle with it.

  • Anonymous

    They must have left time management out of their education.  You missed the boat no one is trying to disenfranchise anyone.  Those that are not residents that wait till the last minute to become one just to vote have opportunity to do so by absenteeism as i stated.  no need to wait till the last minute opportunity is there already.

  • Anonymous

    So the real question, now, is:
    #1)  ”Should the Government of the State of Mine engage in an expensive and frivolous lawsuit, so the Governah can make good on his promise to tell the Federal Government  and the POTUS to:  ”go to hell”  ? 

    I say, I say, the War Between the States is over, and the GOTea side has lost. 
    But y’all are still free to go whistle Dixie. 

    The real, freedom loving,  Yankees just want know one thing; 
     if it not broken how is YOUR SORT going to fix it ?  

  • Anonymous

    While you are incorrect in thinking that police officers enact corrective actions I will indulge you. 

    When you enforce corrective actions before you conduct an investigation (that shows that no corrective action is required) then yes, I consider that harassment.

  • Anonymous

    No , we know the law. 
     
    A different law, one dealing with auto registration,  gives an exception to military personnel, their dependent families and students enrolled in colleges in the State from the requirement  to register your car at your primary place of “dormicile” . 

    That is  a Maine Law. 
    It is okay that a farmah from, like , oh say like from Newport  as a random example, might not understand that, but the Sec. of State should.

  • Anonymous

    Our government works best when it upholds our Constitution and represents the people. I see no reason to needlessly turn people away from the polls.

  • Anonymous

    I say this is like just like asking the three stooges to fix what is not broken. 

  • newportres

    I haven’t seen one enforcement action taken as of yet.
    Care to elaborate?

  • Anonymous

    Can we call the out of Staters behind this and their local supporters, Quimbies, and what else people like you call her and those support her gift to our future  ? 

    Can’t you  take what you give  out so freely, my dear Hosebeast ?    

  • newportres

    The way Tyke describes the system it looks pretty broken to me.
    According to him a college student can claim to be a resident today and vote and then make himself a non-resident tomorrow.
    You’re OK with that?

  • newportres

    Feel free to post a link to what you are quoting at any time.

  • Anonymous

    Without  their hypocrisy the lock step authoritarian people would not have any values, Tyke. 

  • Anonymous

    There are those that like the idea of early and often. Come one come all would you like a hot  apple pie with that vote. Just look at the organizations that are backing this repeal.Out of state money and groups coming in to keep same day early and often voting.Would like to know just how many voters this will affect.I would think real voters have already registered sometime in their life.

  • Anonymous

    “We should stop talking about this issue, because it doesn’t exist.  This is the kind of  ‘leadership’ that we’re getting from the Penguin administration – vote suppression based on lies.” 

    It distracts people for his jobs programs. Is there any NEW business to be discussed, yet, Govenah ? 

  • Anonymous

    Are you even reading what you are posting? In your police analogy you assert that I am saying that when police investigate an issue and then have it prosecuted that it constitutes harassment. I countered that with when prosecution (persecution in this case) occurs before investigation occurs then yes it is harassment. Vilifying college students for voter fraud long before a study was conducted that showed NO VOTER FRAUD, according to YOUR analogy, is harassment. 

  • newportres

    Never mind posting I found the law you are referencing.  The exception does not exempt them from registering their car in the State they claim is their residence.  It exempts them from showing a Maine address as their residence in order to get a Driver’s license.
    Maine Residents are determined by the factors listed here but all residents must register their cars and pay the same taxes on those vehicles including college kids who own cars.
     http://www.state.me.us/sos/cec/elec/resident.htm

     

  • Anonymous

    The Koch Bros. have spend how much money in Maine, during the past two elections and they have created how many permanent  jobs ? 

    You shall know them by the fruits that they bare ? 

  • Anonymous

    Some people are absolutely convinced that they’ve been abducted by aliens for biological experiments. Doesn’t make it so.

  • Anonymous

    If you’re right about all the voter fraud that you just know is going on,  go ahead and vote no on one.  

    But then vote no on LePage, too,  when he brings no convictions for crimes that you JUST know are happening, everywhere, too. 

    Who’s weak on crime, and to blame for here being no convictions, now, if you ARE right about voter fraud ? 

    If you have to have things two different ways at once, check your personal reality, but forget your credibility,  it’s already lost.

  • Anonymous

    “Why change the system when there is virtually no voter fraud in ME?” 

    It is the master-plan that has come down from the O.O.S corporate headquarters, may-be ? 

  • Anonymous

    ” Statistically this makes no sense…” 

    It is just like the conservative economic plan . 
    May-be tax cuts for the wealthy will trickle down upon us someday, too. 

    LOL

  • Anonymous

    Who’s getting in your way to limit YOUR right to vote, too ? 

  • newportres

    I am reading what I post, I am just not trying to apply the same definition to two unlike words.  Persecution and Prosecution have nothing in common so why you would attempt to interchange one for the other I have no idea.
    Your quote, “When you enforce corrective actions before you conduct an investigation”.
    No government official attempted to enforce any corrective action before conducting any investigation as you stated in your quote.
    Some one made an accusation (and rightly so from what I could see) that some people may not be following all of the rules of residency while taking one of the benefits of residency.
    The study did not show NO VOTER FRAUD as you stated.  The study showed that too many college out of staters were playing fast and loose with residency requirements in my view and some were sent letters reminding them of other resident responsibilities like registering motor vehicles.  Yes the SOS could have went after some of them and pressed charges but he did not.  Mostly I would imagine because they were mislead by well meaning people like yourself with a very skewed agenda.
    There were other things that the study found which were downplayed by the media but pointed out in more that one interview with the SOS.

  • newportres

    I will ask again, What was the SOS proposal violating?

  • Anonymous

    Vote Yes:  ” They must have left time management out of their education. “ 

    Vote No :       They must have majored in election management. 

    So is true it that if we do not VOTE YES, and veto the new GOTea electioneering laws, 
    that if your name was removed from the town’s voter rolls in any of all those business days,  
    if it was removed for any reason, for none, or by accident, 
    your vote will not be counted ?

  • Anonymous

    The only skewed agenda is the one that sets to limit the peoples ability to vote, also known as the GOP’s agenda right now.

  • Anonymous

    You really need to get your information right. If I recall correctly 6 major newspapers in Florida did their own analysis. 5 of the 6 concluded Bush had won.

    In Ohio during the 2004 election, Bush won by 118,599 votes according to a CCN website. That was more than 2% of all the votes cast. How do you suppose the Democrat lost in that election?

    If anything there has been a lot of voting irregularities since 2002. Don’t you think this might have been prevented with a little more oversight in voting? That’s why I support voter registration on all days except election day and the day prior.

  • Anonymous

    ” None of this was ever proven,  that I know of, but some of those concerned were absolutely convinced this was happening.”

    No one is guilty until proven so. 
    It is so written in the US ConstitutionRight ?   
    So where is that proof ? 

    Does anyone think that if Mr. Charley had come up any voter fraud in all time he and the State GOP Committee were working with his list of the right’s 200 most likely suspects,  
    that they would not be featured in his Vote No ads ?

    Where is the only real American values PROOF  of  there being  ANY voter fraud … where are any convictions for it in the Superior Court of the State o’ Maine ?

  • Anonymous

    it seems funny to me that 42 other states have the same or a similar law on the books so i do not see this as a republican issue.  It might be that the democrats are scared that is why.  If your are a concerned citizen one of your fundamental duties would be to register at a fundamentally time and not at the last minute.

  • newportres

    There are many limits to people’s ability to vote.
    Age is a limit, unless of course you are claiming that people under 18 are not people.
    Citizenship is a limit.
    This limit is needed to ensure that the example Tyke gave as perfectly legal never actually happens.
    As he said, I could as a college student claim I am a citizen in your town today and then unclaim myself tomorrow.
    Nothing stopping it and in his opinion perfectly acceptable.

  • Anonymous

    I am talking about same day voter registration. Nothing you said has anything to do with that. Go sit in a corner somewhere until you learn to comprehend what you are typing and responding to.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like you have plenty to do that should have been done BEFORE anyone even remotely went forward with changing the 40 year old GOP sponsored law allowing same day voter registration.

    Very much a “cart before the horse” thing; very unwise.

    And now the wiser amongst us have worked smartly to get this mistake reversed via the people’s referendum

    Time to get bizzy being bizzy again, eh?

    In the interim … YES ONE ONE!

  • Anonymous

    But don’t bother looking for the vans.

    Charlie Webster hides them all at the WalMart.

  • Anonymous

    and if you don’t do those things you have violated motor vehicle laws but you can still vote…

    and when do you, do make sure it’s Yes on One!

  • Anonymous

    Getting  a driver’s license and your tags is a privilege granted by the State . 

    Voting is your right ( and a duty).  

    How can real Americans confuse, never mind ever even think of it as  just  privilege, or of mixing the two ? 

    It is disrespecting the sacrifice of all those that fought and died to preserve your 
    RIGHT TO VOTE to talk of that right as if it were a mere “ privilege ” granted to the elite few, to the privileged elite.

    Did they fight at Bunker Hill,  at the Battle of New Orleans, … did those brave boys from Waterville,  the 20th Maine charge the 15th Alabama with only one load each,… did the they fight at the  Marne, on Iwo Jima, for some  privileges,  or the right of all American adults to vote ? 

    All those generations of brave Americans fight and so many died defending your rights to vote . 

    They all fought against those who did not want all Americans to vote, for some reason or another. 

    Voting  Yes on #1 is how best to observe Veteran ’s Day in Maine this year. 

    Vote Yes on #1, and v0te  for the real American values that our veterans sacrificed to establish and maintain.  . 

    (open licence granted)  : )

  • Anonymous

    The Maine state Government, by trying to say if you don’t register 2 days before you can’t vote, that’s who

  • Anonymous

    Ok why not?

    I’ll be happy to vote Yes on Please as you ask.

    I’ll vote Yes one One as well!

  • yowsayowsa1

     Make my vote count.

    Vote NO on 1.

  • Anonymous

    The irony in 2000 was that if you just recounted the Florida counties Gore asked to have recounted, Bush won.  But if you recounted the entire state, Gore won.  That’s what the press recount reported – and so yes, you can say “Bush won” if you only count the counties that Gore asked to have recounted.  But Gore won the state of Florida according to the press recount of the entire state.  That would have given him the electoral college and the presidency.
    Of course, Gore won the national popular vote by more than 500,000 votes.  The voters selected Gore to be president; the Supreme court and the Electoral College selected Bush 43.
    I don’t call that a “stolen” election.  It was all legal.  I just call it a shame.  Just think of all the lives Bush 43 wasted with his unnecessary and bungled invasion of Iraq.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll be happy to , but only when it’s NOT actual political positioning.

    because that’s exactly what this is and all it is.

  • Anonymous

    50,000 real voters, that’s how many.

  • Anonymous

    What is O.O.S?

    The Guardian out of the UK has an article today about republican voter fraud fraud.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/31/republican-voter-fraud-fraud

  • Anonymous

    To restrict it to whatever the authoritarian voter profile is, to be suah. 

  • Anonymous

    “Never mind posting … ”
    A bit controlling ain’t she ? 

  • Anonymous

    She is free to post her opposing opinions, but can Newportres post proof that is not true, Scot  ? 

  • newportres

    Putting limits in place for when one must register is an accepted practice in most States and violates no Federal Law.
    You change topics as I prove you wrong on each subject which is why I have to keep following you.
    Stick to one topic and we won’t have any confusion.

  • newportres

    All of the things I mentioned have been in place for many years.
    You Democrats just choose to ignore rules you don’t agree with and hide evidence long enough so people can’t follow up and investigate.
    That will be very difficult for you in the future now that Maine Republicans are getting their Majority on.

  • Anonymous

    “If No wins the next thing they’ll do is make us show photo ID to vote and about 15% of  AMERICAN people dont’ have any and their right to Vote will be taken away!! ”

    No, you are overlooking a step. If the Party of No wins, the next thing will be an expensive Federal Court case.  A Yes vote on # 1 is a vote for less big government and  government cost cutting.  

  • newportres

    That isn’t what the two different laws mean.  If you do not register your car you may still get a Driver’s license but if you register to vote you must also register your car.
    That is one of things a Clerk is supposed to look at to determine if you are a resident.
    If you are allowed to vote first without allowing the clerk the time to check to see if you are a resident then you are not allowing the checks and balances that should be there to protect my vote.
    Vote No on 1!

  • AionNV

    Which of her personalities are posting now ?

  • newportres

    Maybe you would like to read the rest of that post disgustbits.

  • Anonymous

    You have yet to prove me wrong with anything. You messed up your analogy, I made the mistake of trying to fix it for you.

  • AionNV

    So you admit that the Repubs looking for voting fraud who haven’t found it are incompetent buffoons ? Hilarious !

  • AionNV

    Yes, because YOU can do the same damn thing !

  • AionNV

    It’s so rampant, you can’t find it.

    Haaaaa.

  • AionNV

    The same governor that has voted on the same day himself.  What a dirtbag.

  • Anonymous

    I have a right to vote, Will you support gun owners registering?” 

    Oh, them again, but not me, really,  at all. 

    Who voted for them, anyway ? 
    How on earth did they ever get the  majority of the vote ?

  • AionNV

    If you want your vote to count, vote.  I bet you don’t even !

  • Anonymous

    Funny how Eric Holder ignored the baton wielding black panthers who were suppressing and intimidating voters at the polls during the last election.

  • Anonymous

    Holder is a dirt bag as it is and two wrongs do not make a right.

  • Anonymous

    You conveniently forgot to include the time Dem legislator for life John martin’s chief aides were convicted and jailed for altering ballots in an Augusta closet.  I’m sure that was the last time the Dems ever committed election fraud in Maine.  Surely they didn’t just get better at it thanks to our lax voter registration laws.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, it is all legal crap, left over from centuries of suppressing democracy, and a history of thinking voting should be limited to white land owners.

  • Anonymous

     50.000 voters are going to register same day? Where did you get this figure?

  • Anonymous

    How is being prepared to vote stifling democracy? What stifles democracy is when a legal vote is cancelled out by fraudulent votes.What is wrong with protecting the system when a flaw is found. The dems know they can not win without questionable voting. Al Franken proved that .

  • Anonymous

    Exactly what i think about democrats fighting for same day early and often voting.

  • Anonymous

    That is the number of people who registered to vote on election day 2008.

  • kcjonez

    I call it a stolen election.  When you factor in all the strategies used to discourage and disenfranchise poor and working voters i.e. too few voting machines in poorer areas resulting in ridiculously long waiting times at the polls and purging voter rolls of “suspected “felons”, not to mention a mathematically impossible discrepency between poll results and exit polling results, I call it a stolen election.  

    The current republican majority in Florida is raising voter suppression and poll control to a science.  
    In the words of Josef Stalin–I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how.

    Voter fraud is very rare but election fraud is becoming the norm for the republicans.  I consider that to be not only unpatriotic but treasonous.

  • Anonymous

    I’m registered as Unenrolled

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    what the heck are you talking about?

    no voter fraud has been proven

    yes on 1

  • Anonymous

    Well if we modify the law that to register the same day, you have to have a Maine Driver License, or a property tax bill showing that you are a resident of said town/city then most people would not have a problem with motor voter.

    But as the Sec of State has shown in a sample of 200 students,  who registered same day in 2010, who signed an affidavit that they would convert their license to the state of Maine within 30 days, 191 failed to do so. So they were “citizens for a day” and committed voter fraud.

    Acorn would be proud!

    Further investigation showed that 55 were still registered and voted in other states and had done so, again more voter fraud.  They also looked at300 other people at random and found 6 illegal aliens had been allowed to do same day registration. Again more voter fraud.

    So this story is a crock and I will be voting “No” to prevent this abuse.

    42 other states have the cut off 30 to 90 days before the election for a reason, to prevent this fraud. Ours is two days, not much to ask is it?

    Also, last I knew I have to go to TOwn Hall twice ayear to re-register my cars and pay excise tax, I can register to vote at the same time, which I only have to do once to vote, so the clueless lies about not having time is yet another lame excuse.

  • Anonymous

    The biggest abuse is from students out of state, they become citizens for a day, vote, then do not follow up and convert their licenses which they are supposed to do when they sign the affadavit indicating they are becoming maine citizens to vote. So they can vote absentee in their home state and vote in Maine,  if we had a 30 day cut off our clerks can follow up and notify their home state city/town clerk that they are now a maine resident and force them to have some skin in the game by converting their license, we would not have the abuse!

    Or better yet at least have law that you must show ID to get into the pols!

    I could care less how people vote but they should have to prove who they are and they are a resident.

  • Anonymous

    I guess15% must be the illegal aliens!

  • Anonymous

    yes, I am volunteering for the  Yes on One campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You were glad LePage was elected. Wow, from some of your posts, they do not align with the LePage agenda.  Interesting…

  • Anonymous

    Yes LePage and his minions (including the 2 Charlies) want just that.

  • Anonymous

    I did not get to read it, but good for you for retracting if you are not sure. That was commendable.

  • Anonymous

     50000, not in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    You and LePage hvae spent too much time in FL.  we’re in  Maine. 

    Where are you Whwell ? 

  • Anonymous

    newportres 9 hours ago in reply to perifunl
    Please state the violation,( Newportres )
    Flag

  • Anonymous

    In tune with this forum. Where have you been?

  • Anonymous

    “I already pointed out where you were wrong on the residency issue ” 

    Oh, but  did you really ,,or do you just think you did ? 

  • Anonymous

    Jerks in America are free to wrong, Newp0rtres.  

  • Anonymous

    So do results matter to you ? 

  • Anonymous

    No, the law has exclusions for the military and students.
    Why not include the military with the students, too,  then ? , 

  • Anonymous

    Who is that ? 
    But who, on the radio,  are YOU quoting ? 

  • Anonymous

    All about wind farms. He has done some good things and some bad re. that issue.

  • Anonymous

    Personally I think the solutions to the issues of democracy in America is all of us registering as Republicans  and taking over the caucuses , just like the Tea Partrayers did, as  good start. 

    How you are registered has nothing to do how you vote … otherwise could the independent LePage  have won his pulality? 

    Am I wrong to think that Tea Paritrayers  should run as  such, and not as real 
    Republicans ?

    What are  they hiding ?  

  • Anonymous

    Penzance, then you agree with me Bush won the election legitimately. My source tells me that if a recount had been done in all the Florida counties, “Gore could have won”. Of course we will never really know who got the most votes in Florida on account of the fact that there was a lot of questions as to what constituted a countable ballot.

    Florida election recount – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As a matter of interest:

    One thing I recall very clearly is that CNN declared Bush the winner in Florida at least an hour before all the voting was scheduled to end in Florida. Many voters from the 10 most western counties – with a population exceeding 940,000 – in the Panhandle that are in a different time zone than the rest of Florida did not bother to show up at the polls after hearing this news. Although there’s no telling how many such voters there were, conceivably there could have been thousands in this Republican stronghold. Obviously Bush likely would have picked up a greater share of votes there than he actually did. My hope is that Floridians will not start announcing their voting results before all votes have been cast throughout the state. 

  • Anonymous

    None of those examples would be any less possible if election day registration weren’t allowed, and none of those college students committed voter fraud by voting where they attend school– our Supreme Court upheld their right to do that in 1979, and our motor vehicle registration laws exempt out of state college students from having to register their vehicles.

    Statistically it makes no sense to turn away tens of thousands of valid Maine voters who responsibly use election day registration to fulfill their patriotic duty of voting.

    Vote yes on 1!

  • Anonymous

    The law itself came from out of state interests, the repeal is supported by Mainers across this state.

    Vote yes on 1!

  • Anonymous

    You mean students who have a right to vote where they attend school, a right upheld by the US Supreme Court?

    How twisted to call it abuse when someone seeking an education simply exercises their rights.

  • Anonymous

    Huh?

  • Anonymous

    In all these investigations, not one example of someone voting more than once in any Maine election. Quit lying.

  • yowsayowsa1

    A lot of that going on out there in NV?

  • Anonymous

     I guess if you dont look for it.

    The Sec of state did find 191 of 200 students that they checked, did commit fraud, they signed an affidavit when they registered that they would become Maine citezens and are required to update/change their license.  The 191 did no and could be prosecuted, I guess you dont seem to understand what fraud is!

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