Unemployed, underemployed loggers struggling to meet with LePage

Troy Jackson of Allagash (left), a Maine senator and logging equipment operator, and Carney McBreairty (right), a logging contractor, have been visiting logging operations such as the one in T16 R14 in 2009 where Canadian logging crews work in wood harvesting. Both men have been unable to find work, and McBreairty said his employees and equipment have been idle while work is being done by foreign labor.
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Troy Jackson of Allagash (left), a Maine senator and logging equipment operator, and Carney McBreairty (right), a logging contractor, have been visiting logging operations such as the one in T16 R14 in 2009 where Canadian logging crews work in wood harvesting. Both men have been unable to find work, and McBreairty said his employees and equipment have been idle while work is being done by foreign labor.
Posted Oct. 02, 2011, at 2:57 p.m.
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AUGUSTA, Maine — More than a month after Gov. Paul LePage said he’d happily take a call from any unemployed or underemployed northern Maine loggers, some of those loggers are finding it difficult to get the governor’s ear.

A recent email exchange between a Legislative aide to Sen. Troy Jackson, D-Allagash, and the governor’s scheduler highlights that challenge.

Jackson, a logger himself and a voice for the logging industry in Augusta, requested a meeting shortly after LePage made comments at a public event in Presque Isle that rankled some loggers.

During a question-and-answer session with local residents, the governor was asked whether he would support legislation that helps Maine’s struggling logging industry.

“I am in big support of Maine loggers, but I’ve also gone around to Maine mills and I’ve asked them, ‘Do you have enough logs?’” LePage said, according to a video recording of the session.

The answer, the governor said, was, “No, we can’t get them. We can’t get the logs here.”

Lumber supply is not the problem, he said. It’s finding people to get the logs from the forests to the sawmills. In some parts of the state, there is no shortage of workers, but in other areas Canadian workers are needed because nobody else is available, LePage contended.

Jackson, who did not attend that event, said if the governor talked to loggers, he would hear a different story.

“He never gave Maine loggers an opportunity to meet with him at the time and I feel very strongly that what he said is not true,” the senator said.

In an email dated Aug. 30, Jackson’s aide, Michael Dunn, requested a face-to-face meeting between the governor and members of the Northern Maine Logging Association anytime in September.

LePage’s scheduler, Jeanne St. Pierre, responded two weeks later.

“The governor would be happy to meet with the loggers and is willing to devote an hour of time during his Saturday constituent hours to meet with them here in Augusta,” she wrote.

Dunn answered that email the next day, Sept. 16, and explained the logistical and practical concerns of asking several loggers to drive five hours or more to Augusta.

“The governor has consistently stated that he wants to put people before politics and we can think of no better way for him to hear from the very people who are affected by political decisions,” Dunn wrote, suggesting a “Capital for a Day” event in Fort Kent.

St. Pierre wrote back the following week, on Sept. 21.

“Unfortunately, at this time the governor is not currently scheduled to make a return trip to Fort Kent, but we would be happy to consider a future opportunity when the governor is scheduled to be there,” she wrote, adding that the offer for constituent hours still stood.

Jackson said he’s not satisfied.

“I think he realized he said something he shouldn’t have and he’s not willing to come back and face the music,” he said. “He put this out there. We’re not just going to let this go.”

Adrienne Bennett, the governor’s spokeswoman, said her office gets hundreds of requests for meetings and said those making the request don’t get to dictate the terms. She pointed out that most people during constituent hours only get 10 minutes or so with the governor.

“He’s interested in finding out what their issues are, but I think there is some politics behind this as well,” she said.

Bennett also said Jackson is the only one who has contacted the governor’s office about logging jobs in the last month.

Shelly Mountain of Mapleton has a stake in the Northern Maine logging industry. Her husband is a logger and her sons are hoping to make logging their career path, too.

In fact, it was Mountain who asked LePage the question in Presque Isle that elicited his comments about the logging industry. She said it wasn’t just his answer that bothered her; it was the way he dismissed her concerns.

“Maine loggers can’t do it for the rates the landowners and mill owners want to pay them. Canadians will,” she said. “I don’t know how we can communicate this to him. That’s part of the problem. He seems to only be talking to mill owners, not to loggers.”

The issue of Canadian loggers working in Maine existed long before LePage took office and has been a source of tension in northern Maine for some time.

Earlier this year, LePage entered that debate by vetoing a bill that would have prohibited the Maine Department of Conservation from employing foreign laborers at state-owned logging sites.

Jackson wrote that bill to prevent landowners and contractors from skirting or violating federal and state laws by hiring lower-cost Canadian loggers. The Allagash senator also has questioned LePage’s commitment to enforcing existing laws since his administration delayed proceedings against two firms accused of violating the state’s rules on use of foreign laborers.

In his veto letter to lawmakers, LePage said the bill was potentially unconstitutional. Jackson argued that the governor’s action suggested he supported large corporations that hire Canadian workers.

Bennett, however, said the governor remains committed to Maine loggers and questioned whether the problem is as big as Jackson claims.

Mountain said she and her husband have talked to loggers, including many who supported LePage, who want to speak out publicly about this issue but fear losing current or future jobs.

“If he agreed to meet with them, maybe they could have an open dialogue,” she said.

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  • Anonymous

    Penguin made that statement right after he accused the media of lying about him and said he’d happily speak with a reporter at any time.  Guess what?  He doesn’t talk to them either. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Wow!

    Thats one Ticked Off  Lookin Bunch of Loggers!

    Sorry, The Governor stepped outta town, went to the fair in Massachusets!

    You will have to wait in line behind the Labor Unions and the Lobster fisherman !

    Cant get the truth?

    Get used to it!

  • Anonymous

    Why is it that Mexicans taking American jobs evokes such anger among people and yet very few people have the same response to this? The Canadians are taking jobs from people in our state; more people should be outraged.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe the loggers should all stop buying new trucks every other year if  they are struggling…

  • Anonymous

    Sometimes it takes learning something the hard way for it to hit home.  The argument that many hardline Republicans will use to get into office is working in the interest of your average hard-working American.  Sorry, but often that is not the case, they’re about maximizing profitability for the company which does not always translate into more jobs as this example clearly shows.  The lack of a response is a bit surprising although my ability to be surprised by this Governor is appearing to diminish with time.

  • Anonymous

    the canadians are willing to work.  surprise!!!

  • Anonymous

    If these were illegal Mexican immigrants, the repubs would be all over this and the baggers would erupt all over FortKent.  No, these are white guys from Canada stealing these man’s jobs, “ah, no big deal”;   C’mon LePage, step up to the plate!

  • Rgiff

    What do you have to say Guvnah! About this one. And Im not on anything and never was, watch youre mouth.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEXITICOEYKANAQRP6IQ4DLOVA Jennifer

    Canadian loggers are needed because they don’t require health insurance as part of their compensation package… Hey, why doesn’t business get behind universal health insurance as a way of reducing labor costs?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCC3ABRLTIU3EFA26HUIDQZTSM Chris

    Mainers with jobs and families to house,clothe and feed …once again being sold out by lepage while he is ” Out Of Town”.  Can anyone get a copy of  lepages “tabs” for these “road trips”. ?Did Lauren drive or the 10 State Police that got paid 24/7 to ensure his safety??

  • Anonymous

    This is a clear case of LePage siding against Maine workers, in favor of Canadian workers who make things cheaper for the owners and timber companies.  I’m willing to bet a good number of these owners and companies are based out of State.

    Worsening the hypocrisy, LePage is against nationally funded healthcare; yet such healthcare is  the reason the Canadians are cheaper to employ.

  • Anonymous

    Rmeember, Canadians get subsidies from their government so they can take a lower wage and still survive just fine. They have less health care worries with their Universal system. Granted their taxes are more than ours here, but they get back a much higher percentage than we do with our governments waste and overspending  that is killing everyone but the very rich.

  • Anonymous

    Yet more insulting behavior from a gov who said people before politics.

    Shame on you, lepage.

  • Anonymous

    trucks as in pick-ups or 18 wheelers? you’ll find most small struggling loggers aren’t buying new anything every other year. most buy new or new to them when it is absolutely needed.  Logging isn’t paved roads..its miles and miles of rough dirt roads and that is hard on either type of truck . Upgrading is necessary to keep getting from point A to point B. My husband is a self-employed logger and he’s never bought anything new to put in the woods.

  • waynorth1

    Same thing went through my head….suppose they’d drive an hour to cut broccoli without complaining?  Highly doubtful…..Mexican buses are still running through PI every day.  Admire their work ethic and no complaining.

  • Anonymous

    Part of the 20,000 jobs that can’t be filled by Maine workers? The Maine workers don’t match up with the exact requirements of the employers? Requirments like, being Canadian with your own health insurance? Just wondering.

  • kkmousse

    I sort of see what you are saying ….  Cheap Canadian laborers get insurence from Canada yes.  But when a company hires loggers, they can hire them as full time/part time, temp, sub-contract.  There is a wide range of choices and many normally do not include healthcare at all or benefits for that matter.  I think that the issue is not an issue of healthcare but actual pay for working.

  • http://twitter.com/jeffdavisme Jeff Davis

    Sen. Jackson attempts to sway legislation that would personally benefit himself is a conflict of interest. Complaining about people legally crossing our northern  border to work and turning a blind eye to droves of them illegally crossing our southern border for the same purpose falls on deaf ears. And trying to avoid the reality of that by talking about the governor hiding in Florida, or his wife receiving protection, or the lack of Obamacare, or that foolish Bangorian’s daily penguin remark is not in the least bit relevant.

  • kkmousse

    Where is this information from? 

  • kkmousse

    Up here it is Canadians.  but if you go to other parts of the Country you will find many low paid Mexicans working building homes in Indiana, Painting vehicles down south you name it whty will do it cheaper to make a buck. 
    When a company can pay a person sub minimum wage to make a profit, they will do just that.  They still have to pay for living in this Country like the rest of us and the cost of living here is not cheap!  The minimum wage does not pay all the bill and provide you with fuel to get to and from that pow paying job. 
    All the American workers want is a good paying job so that they can comfortablely and apparently the owners of the Companies prefer that they live in poverty and on the street for all they care.  The bottom line is profit at all cost and the (blank ) with the USA and its workers!

  • kkmousse

    Business before people!

  • Anonymous

    Well of course he can’t get to Aroostook County; he’s gotta go talk about the mural with Brian Williams in NYC and go down to the Big E in Massachusetts in the pouring rain yesterday!  LePage is a very busy guy- that’s why he took a trip to Jamaica less than 3 months in office! Sheesh, whadda ya expect- he’s gonna wanna talk to working Maine folks in the County? It’s not like Aroostook voters are the very reasons why he won the primary or the general elections or anything…

  • Anonymous

    Their taxes go toward helping their people, not toward sticking our noses in everybody else business all over the world to protect corporations.

  • Anonymous

    This is LePages fault…LOL….

  • kkmousse

    Wow you are so right Profits up and employees down.  Lay off 10,000 and get a bonus!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEXITICOEYKANAQRP6IQ4DLOVA Jennifer

    No one wants to go into the woods without health insurance. Canadians have it. Full time/part time/sub-contract doesn’t matter.

  • Anonymous

    The reason Maine mills can’t get lumber, is it’s being hauled to Canadian mills and Maine taxpayers are footing the bill to subsidize Canadian mills.  If this isn’t stupidity, I don’t know what is.

    If the clowns in Augusta won’t fix the problem, then maybe it’s time to get rid of Augusta.

  • Anonymous

    Why can’t these guys go and see the Governor?  His time is much more limited than theirs – they ARE unemployed after all.  If they can’t be bothered to go to Augusta, I don’t see the problem.  Do they want everything handed to them?

  • Anonymous

    Governor LePage doesn’t care about these loggers, or anyone else.

  • Anonymous

    I was really expecting you to take the “anti-logging/National Park” stance on this one. I’m proud of you.

  • Anonymous

    He watches them go to work in their new trucks  while he sits in his trailer watching tv all day.

  • Anonymous

    I was thinking the same……car pool to Augusta since they aren’t working.  He’s offered to see them.

  • Anonymous

    Looks like LePage will be heading up North after all.

  • Anonymous

    I guess LePage doesn’t want the loggers’ votes in the next election. Too bad for him Canadians can’t vote in Maine.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Did you Mainers really think that Lepage would be for jobs!

    He said Open For Buisness!

    Not Mainers!

  • Anonymous

    LePage didn’t say he would go visit every unemployed logger.  Get your butts in a car and go to Augusta. Or wait until he comes north. I am from Aroostook County, but this just stinks of entitlement and whining.

  • Anonymous

    If you work for a living in the State of Maine Paul LePage has a message for you.  Don’t bother me I am busy. He was not to busy to go to Washington to attend a meeting of the Heritage Foundation and make really nasty jokes about pregnant Catholic Nuns. He was not to busy to go to New York City last week to go on national TV with Brian Williams and tell yet another lie about “The Mural”. In fact during that nationally televised event Paul LePage informed the entire world that he didn’t think Maine kids should go to college to get a BA degree. During that televised event he even tried to tell us he was all for organized labor claiming he came up through organized labor. Really Mr. LePage? When? Where? He wasn’t to busy to travel to Springfield, Ma. this past weekend to attend the fair. Yet when Maine workers request a meeting with him sorry Paul LePage’s busy schedule just will not permit it.  When will the people of the State of Maine come to their senses and realize that the man currently living in our house, The Blaine House, does not give a damn about Maine workers. He said in his inaugural address “People Before Politics”. That was his first lie and we have seen more and more lies in practically everything he has said or done. He has either sponsored or been an ardent supporter of legislation to lower wages for Maine workers supporting “Right to Work” legislation which has proven to reduce wages in States where it has been passed into law. He supported legislation that would have allowed a “training wage” that was $2 per hour lower then the State’s minimum wage. He thanked a convicted criminal, James O’Keefe, for making a trumped up video which after extensive editing was claimed to “prove” that workers in the Dept. of Health and Human Services “coached” people on how to commit “welfare fraud”. He has even gone as far as blaming joblessness on the unemployed. His fix for unemployment in Maine was to tell us that we needed to get back to the basics of logging, fishing and farming. But when loggers ask for a meeting with him Paul LePage is just to busy.

  • Anonymous

    Canadians are sneaking in from New Hampshire to log in Southern Maine???

  • Anonymous

    Link on the Heritage Foundation/ pregnant nuns joke:  http://capsules.kaiserhealthnews.org/index.php/2011/07/maine-governor-nuns-and-maternity-coverage/

  • Anonymous

    Now you hit the nail right on the head.

  • waynorth1

    Couldn’t have said it better.  If you really care, take the drive…..ask Smith Farms if you can borrow one of their immigrant buses for the trip.  The Mexican workers travel from California to make money, live without their families for months out of the year and yet still have a smile on their faces.  Make it a fun trip.  Never met more whiners than people from ____________ and cheapskates to boot.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks!  I don’t know if you’re going to like this, but my model is Canada, where Parks and loggers both get excellent treatment.

  • Anonymous

    If this administration would stop being so paranoid, maybe they could actually get both sides to an issue.  That is, of course, if they are interested in knowing both sides.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJ7QHAWSNLX6Q464TU7IFDN6FQ JohnR

    You have to be a more “special” interest group if you want the gubnors ear. Just being a Mainer is not enough, nor is being a logger, you have to be screened by the MHPC first and foremost. Secondly you have to offer the gubnor a sign that he can hang on Maine Property like “open for business if you are a Canadian worker, and will work for peanuts, Mainers need not apply.

  • Anonymous

    Yes the loggers get treated well but the forests suffer. You ever seen the Crown lands in New Brunswick? Woodpeckers have to pack lunches to cross some of the clearcuts.

  • Anonymous

    a lot of men/women go in the woods and many other jobs every day to earn a living and do so without the benefit of health insurance. The truth of the matter is it is hard to find a young person these days who is willing to put in an honest hard days work for a paycheck. They would rather sit home on moms couch and whine about what they don’t have in life or grind out kids to stay on the state/federal welfare rolls.

  • StillRelaxin

    LePage seems to be on a roll with favoring folks from away over Maine workers. He just let the massive printing job for the Maine State Hunting and Fishing Rule booklet go to some company in Massachusetts. That would have been a great contract for a Maine company and it’s employees.  Suppose he was returning a favor to some campaign supporter, or is it that he just doesn’t care about Maine workers? Whatever way you cut it, allowing this or other job opportunities leave out State is hard to believe.

  • Anonymous

    You just gotta be able to compete and win..  You can laugh at Canadians but if they are living better, we had better wake up! and look at these loggers pictured, nice clothes, new trucks. Can’t be too bad.

  • Anonymous

    Jesus you people are pathetic. IS the only thing you give crap about the stupid mural? YOU live in the MOST taxed state in the Nation. You dont have business and jobs because of THAT. 25%  of your population is living of of welfare because they are too good to go poubd nails or dig clams or dig ditches.
    NO ONE in this country needs anything LIKE CANADA or any other screwed up country that is always coming here to buy everything cheaper…fuel..health care…ect.
    All of you quit bitching and put your effort into improving yourself if you want better insurance or money or life!
    MY Question fellow mainers is this. What do the Candian Loggers get paid vs. what the Maine Loggers  get paid?
    SOMEONE tell us that!
    AND finally dont forget this….youve sold most of your state off to people from away.  I believe…i may be mistaken…that T16 R14 is owned by Irving Corporation. Irving Woodlands. Iriving is from Canada.
    Paul Lepage is doing the right things for Maine. Its gonna hurt..those that want a handout.
    BUT its NEEDED!!!!!!!!!
    If you dont like it..move to canada where the health care is so damn good.

  • Anonymous

    This logger ran a 1993 Dodge pickup until 2008… put over 200,000 miles on it. Couldn’t afford to buy a new one every other year, so where do you get your information? 

  • Anonymous

    Reading these stories about the govenor is getting more and more painful everyday, maybe massachusetts has a bussiness oppurtunity for him ?

  • Anonymous

    he never had to go to work at fifth st john

  • Anonymous

    lepage is being true to his republican roots.  businesses will get all of his attention. workers, not so much.

  • Anonymous

    So much for Canada.  I still think Maine can be a home for logging, hunting, and parks.  It’s a big place.

  • Anonymous

    Another sad loss of jobs that could have helped Maine.  I know there is at least one private business Copy Shop in Augusta that would have loved such a job.

  • Anonymous

    Lets see if we can help the governor understand the log shortage….
    1.the largest landowner in northern maine happens to be a canadian family owned company
    2.the lumbermill bought by this same company was shut down, americans laid off and the mill was totally dismantled.
    3. the logs that are cut on the canadian company land is now sent to Canada to supply their Canadian mills.
    4. These same Canadian Mills ship the finished lumber, by rail ( which we the Maine taxpayers helped subsidize) back to the United States for us Americans to buy.

    May not be much more than a wood cutter, but I think I see a bit of the reason for the log shortage .

  • Anonymous

    I’m not buying it , are you?    Oh, I just re-read your comments. You aren’t either!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think that the majority of young people in this State are unwilling to work. Granted there maybe a minority that wants to sit on their butts but for the most part I have faith in Maine’s young.

  • Anonymous

    Its called  NAFTA.
    Free Trade.
    Mexicans cutting wood also in the Maine woods.
    Its good for the global economy.

  • Anonymous

    So here is a thought. Troy Jackson, I am a Native Mainer. I was forced to move out of State to get a good career because Maine doesnt have good jobs…taxes are too high and there just isnt a good future in Maine right now.
    I LOVE Maine…its home. BUT  i have to look out for myself and my family…they have to come first. SO Troy Jackson the politician/Logger. Why dont you get the tax base changed that allows a break for large landwoners that are in tree growth. IF the landowner gets a break then the logs harvested need to be processed in the state the break is given.
    If he harvests his logs..takes them to canada..processes them there and then sells them back here…why does he get a tax break?
    The tax break should only be given to thos landowners that allow have the product handeled with in the state. It also should only be given to those that allow all the regular recreation on thier land such as hunting, fishing, trapping and snowmobiling. One logging company just sold another 11,000 plus acres to roxanne quimby?
    I just dont get what the people of Maine are thinking.

  • Anonymous

    from the republican perspective, workers are like taxes.  just a parasitic drain on the well-deserved profits of the wealthy.

  • Anonymous

    Paul LePage is the greatest Governor in the history of the State of Maine. Provided you don’t work for a living in the State of Maine.

  • Buzlno

    Massive??

  • Anonymous

    I kinda agree. Depends on the break down though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Belanger/1064605207 Jon Belanger

    In my area, the vast majority of the 18-26 year old “young person” crowd work 60+ hours a week including myself. I’ve worked for everything I’ve ever owned. Maybe where you live there is a poor work ethic, but the only people to blame for that are the parents! You won’t find a better work ethic than in the valley. 

  • Anonymous

    Troy Jackson already tried to pass a bill that would do this last spring. The Republicans, including LePage, wouldn’t support it. Before firing off you should give credit where credit’s due.

  • Tyke

    Canadians cost less because they all have free health care. Period.

  • Tyke

    Is Lepage still a Canadian citizen?

    His parents were from  Canada and he married and Canadian (first wife) and lived in Canada for years with full rights as a citizen.

    Has he ever revoked that citizenship or is it still in effect?

  • Anonymous

    How is NAFTA working out for ya. Pretty sure LePage has no control of that on the state level.
    Sick of this liberal rag of a paper running every Conservative in the mud because of a difference in opinion. This is a NEWSPAPER not an opinion journal.

  • Anonymous

    What a bunch of babies. They are basically throwing a fit because they don’t want to drive to Augusta to meet with the governor. Jump in the car and drive down there, this whole game is disrespectful toward the office of the governor. Typically people who ask to meet with a state governor are lucky to have the request accepted, this is ridiculous.

  • Anonymous

    Actually I blame alot of the problems on Liberals like Senators John Martin &  Troy Jackson who are from that area.  Look at their voting records they propose bills that didn’t help working folks in those areas instead driving jobs and business away.  I heard  Jackson on tv blaming Lepage for the failures of the past 40 years.  Ahhh Mr. Jackson maybe you need to take a look at who was running things it was the Democrats .  You sir ( Troy Jackson)  were part of the problem since you have been in Augusta for awhile yourself.

  • Anonymous

    Take your parks to Siberia.  Because noone in this state will support subsidizing Ms. Quimby for her little fantasy island not in this economic times.   If Quimby’s park is such a great idea why is she threatening snowmobilers, sportsmen, locals, Maine residents and Politicians to support her park for 5 years.  Why is she asking taxpayers to pay for it while she stuffs her pockets.  That is the problems with Liberals today they think Government is the answer to everything.  What you hear from Liberals such as Emily Cain, Cynthia Dill, Meaghan Maloney,  John Martin, Justin Alfond and that bunch is more of the same failed ideas of the past 36 years.  Ideas such as  Quimby’s  park, more spending, higher taxes, more welfare programs, more borrowing and Gay Marriage thrown in.  Nothing about  good paying  jobs, lower taxes, fixing failing schools, more freedom for people.   The Democrats better be worried because the way things are going they may even lose more seats in Washington and Augusta including their hero  The Magnificent Emperor Obama being kicked to the curb.

  • Anonymous

    Why should he speak to people that Liberals want, he has rights as a person. Just because he doesn’t cater to Libs he shouldn’t have to speak to people who he doesn’t want to its a free country.

  • Anonymous

    They want Liberals to feel sorry for them.  They want sympathy and the Liberals to make them feel warm and fuzzy.  If they got time to go to Augusta go but don’t blame your problems on anyone else but yourself.   That is the probelms with folks who feel entitled to everything.  They want their hands held and people to give them handouts.

  • Anonymous

    universal health insurance?? canadians are covered by their disasterous national health care . they all have it. but it is as good as not having any at all, just as that jackal obama and the rest of the dems are cramming down all of our throats. soon, if this train wreck that obama and michaud brought upon us all is not thrown out by supreme court, or undone by congress, none of us will be able to get care.  this is fact.  canadian system is terrible,and here Obama is succeeding at making it inaccessable to all except he and congress!
     forget that idea

  • Anonymous

    Sandy, presume much?  All the young folk I know work just like we all do.  Where do you get your (mis)information?  You are just plain wrong.

  • Anonymous

    You’re way off topic.  The issue is that LePage could have hired the local small business copy shop for a major project.  That’s what we’re talking about.  Take your soapbox somewhere else.

  • Anonymous

    Is this a Quimby article? No.  If you want to rant at random about whatever you want for hundreds of words, go to an appropriate forum.

  • Anonymous

    So where do you get your info Canadian loggers cost less?

  • Anonymous

    Last time I checked our constitution shouldn’t protect Canadian Workers……..

  • Downeasta

    “Unemployed, underemployed loggers struggling to meet with LePage”

    This sounds like he cut off their legs and said I am over here, walk over and we will talk about it.

  • Anonymous

    Well then, answer the question, what do the Canadian Loggers get paid and then what do the Maine Loggers get paid?
    Dont talk to me about firing off. And dont talke to me about the republicans. Its you democrats and liberals that have run this nation into the ground. I AM TIRED OF BEING TAXED TO DEATH so some lazy drug head can collect a paycheck because he or she thinks they are above digging a ditch or pounding a nail for a living.
    I am sick of you whiney people who want want want but do nothing to get things fixed.
    THE biggest money pit in the State of Maine is the Department of Human Services or whatever they have renamed it.
    NO MORE HANDOUTS
    GO GET A JOB and WORK Even if the pay SUCKS…its better than a hand out and its better than NOTHING

  • Anonymous

    How many Unemployed people can afford to Drive  hours? It’s the Governor’s JOB to talk to them……That’s why we pay him……

  • Anonymous

    where does the BDN get the facts behind the statement that canadian labor is cheaper?  Does anyone really have any numbers to back that up or do we just like the way it sounds because we think it must be that govt’ health care they all get? well let me tell ya… canadian labor being “cheaper” is way off set by the fact that the state of maine and the feds impose large fees on securing bonds for the H-2A program.  This is a free country and business owners should be able to hire who they want ( as long as it’s leagal) plain and simple. 

  • Anonymous

    Yes, Just like Barack Obama is the greatest president of the United States in history provided your not an american

  • Anonymous

    I hope they remember this when it comes time for re election!

  • Anonymous

    Jennifer, maybe you and the 23 people that like this should go to Canada and live. Apparently the health care is way better there than it is here in the United States of AMERICA.
    I just cannot for life of me figure out why this nation is over run with illegal immigrants and from living in Houlton i never have understood why the Canadians flock to Maine to buy fuel and go to the Doctor? Can someone answer this for me a dumb conseravative who wants our health care system to remain the way it is with the best doctors in the world

  • Anonymous

    tree growth taxation was originally intended to keep Maine a well forested state insuring a wood supply for mills.  There for if you look at the law as it was intended, to keep the woods of maine woods and not development,  then politicians like Troy Jackson who want to tinker with the law and make it jobs based are putting us all at risk for a serious situiation in government that is called unintended consequences.  If this law were based on where the wood went so we could control jobs here in Maine, who will pay to administer and enforce that? The state of maine? the mills? the landowner? Perhaps it should fall on the shoulders of the logger?

  • Anonymous

    Despite what you’ve heard, the media is not liberal.  It’s the way information gets shared in the United States, and it’s not especially helpful to have a governor who won’t talk to them.  That is, after all, how he is suppose to communicate with his constituents.

  • PaulNotBunyan

    Trade and immigration issues are federal matters. That’s where the energy should be directed. Lepage said he vetoed a bill because it was potentially unconstitutional. I think that any constitutional bill would be weak and ineffective.

  • Anonymous

    Why is LePage heading north? Going to Canada?  Is another Viet Nam coming?

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for weighing in.  You represent many young people. Best of luck.

  • Anonymous

    What are you talking about? People like you, every time you open your mouths remind me we live in a police state run by people of diminished mental capacity that is only going to get worse.

  • Anonymous

    “Maine loggers can’t do it for the rates the landowners and mill owners want to pay them. Canadians will,” .  Sounds like “we want to cut wood, but we want to name our own price”. If that attitude held across all of industry, noone could afford to buy fish or frozen blueberries at grocery stores.

  • http://twitter.com/Shekaylee Sheryl Lee

    LePage is no longer a private citizen when in public.  He is a representative of this state.  He has an obligation to talk to parties on all sides.

  • AionNV

    Too true.

  • Anonymous

    He’s a Republican. Of course he is going to side with owners and management and against workers.

  • AionNV

    The “best doctors in the world” kill 200 thousand Americans a year with their mistakes.

    People who know nothing about medical care in other countries should stfu until they’ve had some real life experience abroad.

  • AionNV

    Repeating a lie doesn’t make it true.  Yea, I’m calling you a liar.

  • AionNV

    Your comments are boring and trite.

  • AionNV

    I read as far as the most taxed state in the nation remark and stopped.  If you cant bother to be accurate in your first sentence, the rest is sure to be crapula.

  • AionNV

    Apparently you are unfamiliar with newspapers.

  • poormaniac

    We are talking about logs , you are talking about copies. The logs are sold to private firms who want to pay the lowest amount for the raw materials. The copies were put out to bid by the state and I would hope the job went to the lowest bidder.

  • poormaniac

    It is also not a rant about printing booklets !

  • AionNV

    See someone about your anger issues, they’re making you come off like an irrational nut case.

  • poormaniac

    Your liberal twist of the facts is predictable. He has set aside an hour to meet with loggers from the whole state on Saturday is a fact reported here. He attended the fair to promote Maine made products is a fact printed in this paper. I must conclude that the rest if your information is false also. I guess I’m calling you a liar !

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000116395974 Kevin Cunning

    Does anyone really believe there are 20,000 empty logging jobs?
    Really?
    Are there 20.000 open jobs in all of Maine?

  • poormaniac

    That seems to be a pretty accurate view. Why not throw out the name Irving at the same time. By the way there is another article in this issue about gas stations and inaccurate pumps that short the customer. I wonder if Irving has anything to do with that.

  • poormaniac

    It takes over a year to get a wart removed in Canada ! That’s not the kind of health care that I want.

  • poormaniac

    The last time I checked it wasn’t illegal for anyone to come here from New Hampshire !

  • poormaniac

    Why would he go up north ? He can hear Troy cry anytime the legislature is in session !

  • Anonymous

    No I don’t think I presume much and no I dont have misinformation. I speak from experience. My husband at one point owned multiple pieces of equipment. I said it was hard I didn’t make a blanket statement that all young people don’t want to work.  I have a brother in the 20-30 age group that puts in 80-90 hours a week to provide for his family.

    My husband had a hard time and he offered paid sick days and paid holidays, weekends were encouraged but not required.  Free ride to work and if they wanted to use their vehicles we paid for their gas so they could get to work. Pay was going rates. Even the company that he is contracted to (and at least 3 others that we know of personally) is having a hard time finding young people that want to do the work and they’re a bigger company that offers better benefits. Maybe it is just the area where we live. My husband isn’t a hard as* either. We had happy employees who stayed with us for many years until my husband decided to downsize to one machine. He even helped the men that were still with us find other jobs before we finished the downsizing. He wasn’t a hard man to work for by any stretch of the imagination.

    I didn’t mean to offend and I apologize. I was just speaking from what I know. I definitely do agree that the blame lays with the parents as Jon Belanger said. I applaud anyone that gets off their butt and works for what they have and does it with pride.

  • Anonymous

    i hate it when citizens tell other citizens to move to canada.  you move to canada.  what’s the problem, are you uncomfortable with opposing points of view?  don’t like girls named jennifer?  

  • Anonymous

    what do you mean by ‘maine taxpayers are footing the bill to subsidize canadian mills?’

    thanks, just looking for background information.

  • Anonymous

    1.  a truck is a work tool for loggers.  they drive long hours down dirt logging roads just to get to work.  one of the first things a potential employer does, is check out your truck. he wants to make sure you can get to work.  the truck in the photo is a GMC, not an Escalade, for heaven’s sake.
    2.  i looked at the picture.  the loggers are wearing jeans and tshirts.  you think they paid too much for those clothes?  please.  should we tear some holes in their clothes, would that make you happy?  

  • Anonymous

    No not at all. I am opposed to idiots that think universal health care is good. My point about canada is this…if its so good there why do they flock here for health care?

  • Anonymous

    Excellent point! so my question to you is….why do they all want to come here? If our system is so bad

  • Anonymous

    Well you obviously dont know what your talking about

  • Anonymous

    If that ain’t the pot calling the kettle black. I thought this was a logging article.

  • StillRelaxin

    To have been considered cost effective or justifiable decision it would have had to have been a bid that was remarkably lower than any Maine firm offered. It may take a leap of thought for some folks but keeping jobs in Maine keeps not only that money in Maine but the people earning that money.    We can no longer afford to lose either. Keeping that thought in mind, paying a few cents more per copy would have been the better choice.  My “guess” is that it was a no-bid contract (For friends from away) or that the powers that be in Augusta haven’t got a clue to the level of suffering out here.

  • Anonymous

    Single i think what Normth means is this.
    In Maine, the vast woodlands of Northern Maine were owned by logging companies. Now Maines property tax is kind of small for unorganized territories vs. regular owned property like in a municlpality. These same land owners were given more of a tax break by keeping that same land in “tree growth” i believe. Anyone may correct me on the terms i am using.
    The intent was that companies like Great Norhtern Paper co and Irving Woodlands  and Prentiss and Carlisle ect who own vast racks of land but logged the land got a tax break…they sold pulp and lumber here in Maine and created jobs for logging and the mills.
    This land has all changed hands now…Irving owns vast tracks up north as does Roxanne Quimby, a multi millionare,  but i dont know who else does. The pulp and lumber is all now going to canada. Quimby doesnt allow Mainers to recreate on her land and has destroyed Maine hunting/fishing camps to end it.
    SO if the land is maine land…the lumber harvested off of it is sent to Canada to canadian mills and its canadain loggers harvesting the wood… and Roxanne Quimby wont allow Hunting trapping or snowmobiling on her land, why since it does nothing now for maines economy and doesnt provide any maine jobs do the land owners get a tax break from the state?
    That is how your somewhat footing the bill to create jobs and work elsewhere, and now your state doesnt even collect full taxes from that land

  • Anonymous

    Paul LePage was a logger so he already knows what it is like.  The Governor has been to New York and the Big E Fair to establish new jobs for Mainers, so these lazy loggers need to pipe down and let things develop. 

  • Anonymous

    Not so much different than LL Bean boots made in China, really. It all boils down to cost, because most companies,  in this case pulp, paper, or lumber, are competing in a global economy. Why single out one industry when every industry in the country has had to do the same thing to survive?  That’s why we are over 9% unemployment and don’t have jobs for American workers.  You can just as easily blame Bill Clinton as you can Paul Lepage,(  NAFTA),  but that would take some unbiased rationale.

  • Anonymous

    Waynorth i wonder why Smith Farms uses the immigrants? Im guessing because Mainers dont want to work anymore? harvesting is below them…not enough pay?
    Not enough pay because Maine is taxed for everything?
    I like your response

  • Anonymous

    Well Spruce why didnt the state hire it out locally? My guess is that like most Governtment they bid it out…which means if what you say is true the company in Mass did it cheaper…why is that?

  • Anonymous

    You are completly wrong, which is no suprise given your consistent disdain for Gov Lepage. Wood prices for Mills in Maine and elsewhere are already above budget high. If the Maine loggers dont want to work for the prevailing wage no one is going to pay them more when there is an alternative . That would be welfare

  • Anonymous

    What is needed to deal with Her and others like her is Our state governement needs to be pressured to revise the Tree Growth tax law to require a minimum amount of harvesting and public access in exchange for  the low tax rate.  Other wise she can pay full rate. Very simple – the time is now

  • Anonymous

    you are right on.. as a valley native I have seen the damage done by a certain politician up there….I wish we had a real new orgainzation that could do a news story on all the conflicts of interest over the years along with the questionable practices….very sad the local people have no power the change anything…so much for term limits…they just change positions and never leave..blaming this stuff on Lepage is pretty sad….

  • http://twitter.com/jeffdavisme Jeff Davis

    No sir/ma’am. But that was cute.

  • Anonymous

    Are you denying he went to Washington for the Heritage Foundation meeting and told jokes about nuns? Are you denying he went to New York and was on tv with Brian Williams and said that he didn’t think that Maine kids needed to get a BA degree. Or that he didn’t say that he came up through organized labor and that he supported organized labor? To you that maybe word twisting but to those of us who watched and read about it they are considered facts. I am sorry that the truth does not come up to your standards.

  • Anonymous

    This Jesus you refer to in your first sentence. Would that happen to be the same Jesus that the majority of Mainers refer to as their Lord and Savior?

  • Anonymous

    Because they don’t actually want a MEETING. They want a HEADLINE.

  • Anonymous

    Troy Jackson did no such thing. His bill was all about Canadian workers working in Maine. Troy Jackson is John Martin’s lapdog, and John Martin protects the tree growth tax break because it helps him stay in good with the large landowners and enviros. Get your story straight.

  • Anonymous

    I bet the potential buyers of the Mill in Millinocket wouldn’t have to ask the gov to come there if they asked.He works for us.I was at that meeting in PI .If it’s people first , then be willing to meet them on their own territtory so he can see for himself what is happening

  • http://twitter.com/jeffdavisme Jeff Davis

    Apparently 25 are outraged. I’m not. You’re comparing a legal act to an illegal one. People are not opposed to foreign labor. They’re rightly opposed to illegal entry into the country. In an interview regarding the crackdown in Alabama, one farmer posed the question of how much Americans are willing to pay for produce. How much are you willing to pay for paper? Do you purchase the printed version of the BDN, do you subscribe to Newsweek or Reader’s Digest? Do you use paper or plastic? How much are you willing to pay for a spiral bound notebook? Canadian labor did not destroy the paper industry. You did.

  • Anonymous

    just a reminder, in the US, people express their (informed) opinions in order to make the country they love better.  

    you don’t seem to respect the most basic principal of our founding fathers.  maybe you should go to some constitution-less country?  perhaps a fascist state where they share your views on freedom of speech.

    have a nice day. 

  • Anonymous

    thank you for taking the time to answer thoughtfully.  i understand.

    is anyone working to revamp the law?  there seems to be a lot of deserved griping about the policy not living up to its intent.  (roxanne, irving..)  doesn’t seem like it would be a partisan issue , but i am sure someone is working on that too.

  • Anonymous

    stop it.  you were not ‘forced out the state…’  that diminishes the commitment many folks have made to make their careers here, giving back to Maine.  

    not that i’m one of them.

    i left for Florida (and came back a few years ago and have since started a small business).  no one *forced me*.  no one forced you.  ’kay?

  • Anonymous

    They’re an appointed public official.  It’s in their job description to talk to the people they represent, Mainers, whether they like it or not.  People who select to serve the community should serve the community.  And by community I mean all of us, even you.

  • Anonymous

    Despite what you’ve heard, the media is not liberal !!!!!!!!!!!
     Thanks for the Monday morning laugh….. I will apply this information to the rest of your posts when I skip over them

  • Anonymous

    actually single track girl, I put a good many miles on my 200,000 mile truck driving to fifth st john :)

  • Anonymous

    Eagle Lake has been the worst thing that ever happened to Maine politics……..

  • clamcove

    Sprucedweller probably does live in a tree to think he is siding with Canadian workers.  As I read this, LePage was unwilling to return to northern Maine, but was available in Augusta. Why in heck didn’t they get down there? Not much to complain about if he made himself available an NO ONE took advantage of it.

  • Anonymous

    211.000 on my sweet old jeep. 

    baby miles.  im going for half a mill.  :)

    mad respect to you all who work up there.  tough life.  drive safe.

  • Anonymous

    Glad to see the picture is clearer for you, too bad it isn’t for others.  Typically, timber stands in the tree growth program are valued at about $350.00 per acre depending on the type of lumber, multiply this by the average mil rate in unorganized territories of about 13%, and they wind up paying less than $5.00 per acre in taxes.  The rest of us have to make-up the lost revenue.

    The large landowners also have to pay a fee (used to be 25 cents per acre) for fire protection.  This pittance is used to partially fund the Forrest Service, the State picks up the balance of the tab.  Wouldn’t it be nice if the State picked up the lion’s share of your local firefighting budget?

    If all these subsidies resulted in cheap lumber for Maine mills and job for Maine workers, I’d be all for it, I have serious objections to paying more taxes to support Canadian mills and providing jobs for Canadian workers.  If more people realized what’s going on, they’d object too.

  • Anonymous

    Did you not read the article? They are indeed illegal. The federal H2 program clearly states these bonded workers cannot bring their own equipment across the border, and that’s why some of these companies are being prosecuted. The Administration has done all it can to delay or nix these hearings and let these companies go scott free, despite what the law says. People are opposed to losing their work because they can’t work for $4.00/hour. Would you?

  • Anonymous

    You have a wart problem, poor maniac?

  • Anonymous

    There’s no doubt, Canada takes great care of their loggers. More power to them – we need Maine to start doing the same thing here rather than start catering to Seven Islands/Prentiss&Carlisle/Huber.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    They don’t want him either!

  • Anonymous

    I DO blame Clinton.  He brought NAFTA to us.  Thanks a lot, Bill.  I find it ironic that he is everywhere these days playing the wise elder statesman.  I wonder if he ever feels guilty for beginning the downfall of the American Worker.  

  • Anonymous

    Troy Jackson is my senator – what bills are you referring to?

  • Anonymous

    You want 80 people to leave the St. John Valley for an hour meeting when they need to do maintenance on their equipment on a Saturday? Why can’t LePage come back to the place where he made the insulting comments and meet?

  • Anonymous

    here is what i see since i’ve been back home:  the state has been taken over.  

    we seem to think every job worth having is from some (on our knees, now) out of stater.

    jobs are fine.  but i’m interested in knowing who owns the companies, the land. who controls the destinies of the people.  

    i think we need to stop selling out for jobs and start finding a way to make it easier for mainers to create our own opportunities. i’m not sure how to do that, but i might start teaching small biz skills and civic process in Kindergarten, so that people know how to be part of the solution.  

    re: lumber in maine.  what i saw when i left aroostook county back in the late 70′s is a lot of land dedicated to utility potatoes.  (potatoes that go to institutional use or in to food processing like instant mashed).  that is like the ‘pulp wood’ of potatoes, lots of ‘um, cheap, not retail quality.

    farmers are changing their methods, i see the MOFGA folks  (hippy looking kids, but clean living, well educated engineering background types).  they are employing diff. methods and pursuing different markets. good for them.

    what can we do to switch to a more added-value approach to our lumber resource?

    just thinking out loud…

  • Anonymous

    Conflict of interest? So people shouldn’t introduce bills relating to the fields they know? And as a matter of fact, what about the Republicans in the current legislature? I didn’t see you on hear accusing Brian Langley of “conflict of interest” with his bill that would have taken waittresses’ tips and given them to the establishment. The fact of the matter is logging families here up north have never had anyone looking out for us, and now Troy is. People appreciate that, and among reasons, that’s why he gets reelected.

  • Anonymous

    Where? Aroostook?

  • waynorth1

    People that read my comment will know where the cheapskates/complainers are. Not going to come right out and say it.

    Subject: [bdn] Re: Unemployed, underemployed loggers struggling to meet with LePage

  • Anonymous

    Maine loggers can’t compete with the Canadian subsidies.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly.  The “unemployed, underemployed” loggers can’t make the trip to Augusta, but the Governor’s expected to rework his busy schedule to make the five-hour trip so that they won’t be inconvenienced.  

    I notice that the Governor’s scheduler offered to set up a meeting with them the next time he’s scheduled to be in Ft. Kent, only to be met with this remark:    “I think he realized he said something he shouldn’t have and he’s not willing to come back and face the music,” he said.

    So he offers to come to Ft. Kent in the future and meet with them and is accused of not being willing to come back and face the music.  What??? 

     

  • Anonymous

    You have to bring in proof that your voted for LIEpage AND that you contributed $$$ to him for his daughter to bother scheduling an appointment. Hope you guys remember what you voted for the next time you vote for this foolishness. How many of you supported LIEpage when he bashed union workers, teachers, and state employees and retirees??? Welcome to the club. 

  • Anonymous

    I am surprised it wasn’t shipped to China.

  • http://twitter.com/jeffdavisme Jeff Davis

    Yes I did. Did you? The article isn’t about AD Logging or Seven Island company. Its about loggers belief that LePage won’t meet with them in the County.  Are you stating that all Canadian loggers in Maine are in violation? Are you saying that we should pass Jackson’s law because of two incidents of, well Logger Fraud? How do stand on same day registration? As a electrician, I had to accept lower wages when the bottom fell out of the market. Should we ban all foreign born electricians from the country? I really don’t think that is what the constitution is four.

  • Anonymous

    Bids should have gone to only in state companies.

  • Anonymous

    The real problem is timber is a dying industry here. These guys need to pack up and move to where the jobs are, not hope the government can prop up their lifestyle. Harsh, but that’s the reality. Tweaking the trade rules with Canada will only provide a temporary bandaid. The world and economy changes: adapt or suffer.

  • Anonymous

    why couldn’t they build camps for the workers like in years past, they could bring in immigrants to work  until they have paid for being here and have the americans be supervisors and technical assistants at higher pay.  why wouldnt this work

  • Anonymous

    The almost 100 year old concept Bean boot is made right here in Maine. There maybe others boots that Bean sells made in China but the Bean boot is made here in Lewiston ME.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Christopher-White/1508030373 Christopher White

    After less than five minutes of internet research anyone can find multiple sources for such metrics as cost of health care per capita as a dollar amount or as a percentage of GDP for various countries. One can also find statistics about average life expectancy, infant mortality, and similar metrics for determining the effectiveness of a given nation’s health care system. The following is a summary conclusion from one such source: “The Commonwealth Fund … compares the performance of health care systems in Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada and the U.S. Its 2007 study found that, although the U.S. system is the most expensive, it consistently under performs compared to the other countries. A major difference between the U.S. and the other countries in the study is that the U.S. is the only country without universal health care.”

    Life expectancy in Canada is 3 years more than in the U.S., infant mortality lower by nearly half. In what way do you believe the Canadian system “disasterous”(sic) or “terrible” if, by objective metrics, it costs the government less as a percentage of tax revenue than our government spends on health care, provides universal coverage to its citizens (who live longer on average) while spending only slightly more than half of what we do on a per capita basis?

    I recognize that actual facts and figures are frowned upon in these flame wars and that any source other than Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity must, by definition, be considered as unreliable, still, the least you could do is offer some pseudo-statistics from a semi-objective source to back up your so-called conservative view of things.

  • Anonymous

    Single !!!! You are on Track Girl!!! I like your thoughts.
    Im born and raised Maine Native…worked in Maine most of my life..but when i came home from Iraq..i realized i wanted more for my family.
    I had to Leave my home to find a good career with a future. This makes me sad.
    Maine is over taxed and gives out too much welfare.
    I am all for helping those that truely need, the elderly ect. But some lady living down east getting knocked up several times by different men and just making babies and collecting a state check while she stays in low income state subsidised housing or some drug head collecting because he doesnt want to go work construction or cut wood or dig clams or whatever to bring in a legal honest paycheck is worng and needs to end.
    Maine needs to cut its governement. Promote business by cutting taxes and educate our young people better for the real world

  • Anonymous

    Hop you right about this.

  • Anonymous

    In other words, big corporations first, Maine workers second.  Thanks for summing up the Maine GOP philosophy in a nutshell.

  • Anonymous

    So here’s Shelly Mountain on May 6, 2011:

    “Shelly Mountain, whose husband is a logger, rejected suggestions that Maine loggers won’t travel long distances to cut wood in remote places where Canadians are hired.

    ‘If you’re not working, you’re willing to go anywhere to work,’ Mountain said….” 

    http://www.maineprogressiveswarehouse.com/tag/ld%201383

    Traveling to Augusta to meet with the Governor is just beyond the pale though, I guess.

    Shelly also apparently managed to make the long arduous trip to Orono in March 2011 to protest premium increases by Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield.  She appears to be a Pipple’s Hero of SEIU. 

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for summarizing the GOP way of thinking:  big corporations first, Maine workers second–a distant second, for that matter.

  • Anonymous

    Translation:  Canadians are cheaper because they have their insurance paid, so let’s give big corporations what they want by violating our principles.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DXMJGQATMT4A7DPG2CDOSXV6RM Kristen

    I just don’t even know what to say. Obviously this man is the epitomy of slimy politicians. He slid his way into our votes….and now he’s sliding around with his own agenda. We really screwed up this time, Mainers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    LYNCH MOB!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCC3ABRLTIU3EFA26HUIDQZTSM Chris

    I get the impression that he will not run for reelection and may even pull a Palin and quit before his term is up. The key point being his loosing the majorities in the Maine  State House and the need then to be a diplomat/uniter which he has shown himself to be incapable of from day 1.  

  • Anonymous

    This same bunch is always whining and stirring it up. I wouldn’t hire a single one of them.

  • Sarah Forbes

    LePlague is at it again….is he even able to say what he means and mean what he says? The sum of ignorance that spews forth from his lips is Unbelievable … Can this man even read?? His English certainly needs a lot of help. 
    Logging is the staple of Maine…The “Governor” should be ready, willing and able to talk with these men and women at the drop of a dime!! SHAME ON YOU LePLAGUE!!    

  • http://www.facebook.com/mbwwalz MaryBeth Whiting Walz

    I bet if they’d found a Chinese printing firm, they could have done it even cheaper. They’re government subsidized and take orders instead of debating things. If the government doesn’t care about the environment, than why should the workers? And then, why should we?

    We want everything for cheap, after all. Cheap lumber included!

    And I agree, the Canadians don’t have to worry about affording health care so their wages can be lower.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mbwwalz MaryBeth Whiting Walz

    And paper!

  • http://twitter.com/jeffdavisme Jeff Davis

    Yes, I did feel that both were conflicts of interest. However I did applaud Langley’s work with charter schools. All I hear from Sen. Jackson is logging. It would appear that he doesn’t represent his district, but his trade. Look a the number of real estate and insurance agents in Augusta and compare that to our over abundance of real estate and insurance laws. When Mr. Smith goes to Washington to benefit himself, we all lose.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mbwwalz MaryBeth Whiting Walz

    You mean like subsidizing oil companies while their CEOs become fat cats? That’s not really liberal politics!

  • http://www.facebook.com/mbwwalz MaryBeth Whiting Walz

    I get so tired of the generalities  of the few becoming the cause legislation and stereotypes. I’m not sure which young people you’re talking about, but I don’t know any like that. They’re all working for good grades to get into college, they’re working hard to pay off college, they’re working to try to buy a house and have a family. They’re working hard because living at mom’s is not an option for most people and isn’t healthy for ANYONE involved!

  • Anonymous

    pitbull’s post is 178 words–all about Quimby.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mbwwalz MaryBeth Whiting Walz

    Universal health care can be very good – France has the best health care in the world. It’s private but each citizen is required to have it. Their wages and spending habits reflect this benefit that everyone benefits from.

    We may have some of the best Doctors in the world here in the US, but we don’t have the best HEALTH care system. There’s a difference.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mbwwalz MaryBeth Whiting Walz

    Wow, all the Canadian’s flock to your part of Maine just to get their health care? That’s really amazing. Must be a long trip from Toronto and Victoria. But hey, if you say they all come here…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CQ5FTDYTJ4YBVCLT7G4U5RRASY Kitty

    If Rep. Jackson and his allies wanted a photo op to illustrate how impoverished they are and how they are being deprived of a livelihood, they should have rounded up men who have no “excess” body fat (perhaps even looking muscular and fit…..a ready-to-work in the woods depiction) to pose for the photo. I don’t know what these 5 fellows (except for one) are being deprived of ….but it isn’t food. Gov. Paul LePage vetoed a bill that would have prohibited the Maine Department of Conservation from employing foreign laborers at logging operations on state-owned land.In his letter to lawmakers, LePage wrote that he was vetoing the bill on constitutional grounds. “This veto has nothing to do with the policy in this bill,” LePage wrote. “Governor Baldacci vetoed LD 284 in the 121st Legislature on the same grounds.”

  • Anonymous

    You are correct.  When Maine had a rebate program to give up to $500 for the installation of a  high efficiency furnace, the whole operation was done in Mass.   Nothing against, but why weren’t the residents of Maine given the opportunity to manage this program.   All calls went to Mass, all forms were mailed to Mass, the rebate check was even drawn on a Mass bank.

    Look at all people who could have worked on this project locally:  paper processors, printers, telephone companies, and banks.  Yet, the state opted to allow the whole operation to be done by out of state labor and companies.

    Sad.  So much for a pro Maine business approach.

  • Anonymous

    About as sad as pretending he has nothing to do with it. He claims to be all about supporting Maine loggers, and does nothing for them. Like any politician, he talks out of both sides of his mouth. He had the perfect opportunity to support Maine loggers by signing that bill, and instead he chose to flip them off by vetoing it.

  • Anonymous

    Find a middle class Canadian who agrees with you, if you can.

  • Anonymous

    You can add another who blames former President Clinton and NAFTA.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, Big corporations should not  get anything

    a law should be passed to let the loggers set the wage they want and need for the wood ,  then either the big land owners or the big corporations  can make up the difference.  The increased costs can be taken from their profits .  Who really owns the trees?? 
    The law can set a prevailing wage for wood maybe then set the same for out of state materials that come into the millsIf they don’t make a profit then there can be tax subsidies to pay for it . If they try to close a mill or leave the state because they ” claim” the cost of raw materials /business is high we can have a state team audit them.  We can make it illegal to close a mill  and we can set standards for all raw material pricing If found false they can be fined and the money can go into the state, and if they are found true tax money can subsidize them . We should all be willing to pay more to give the Maine loggers the work for good wages. Another alternative is to pass a law that Maine loggers get free insurance. Or the state can supply the equipment for them, or  a buss train systems to get them to work – free transportation.

    Another route could be to give them food stamps and wic or heating assistance to help them compete

  • Cathy Lane

    All of you who say he set aside an hour for the people in the article need to reread the article. Lepage sets aside an hour to meet with constituents. That means the people driving 5 hours will only get about 10 minutes of his time. There will be other constituents to contend with. Again, he did not set aside an hour for the people in this article!

  • Anonymous

    Wouldn’t that be a happy day! What would he want to run again for anyway…..he’s off to FL with a life time pension! What are the chances he loses that if he quits?

  • Anonymous

    Give me a break.  Another example of biased reporting from the BDN…the headline would lead one to believe that the Governor is refusing to meet with them.  He said he would meet with them for an hour but they don’t think they should have to drive to meet him!  If you had an issue and the governor said he would listen to you, would you expect him to drive to your house?   I wouldn’t. 

  • Anonymous

    don’t forget he is responsible for china free trade too, and for giving the chinks the tech to get a missile off the ground, and a satellite to orbit.

  • Anonymous

    The point is he made these statements in Aroostook that belittled the people here. Shouldn’t he return here to sit down with working folks?

  • Anonymous

    it isn’t free, and it is funded by canada’s extremely high taxes. and is only good for at the best, a broken finger. liam neesons wife , it is said would be alive if she had been in  this country at time of accident, or brought here for help.

  • Anonymous

    So you’re too cowardly to admit you’re calling people from Aroostook cheapskates and complainers?

  • Anonymous

    As I said, he is my senator. You’re just wrong to say he only works on logging issues. He’s been an advocate for traditional uses and access of natural resources, sportsman’s rights, passed domestic violence legislation, and has submitted plenty of jobs bills. We’ve rarely had a strong voice from Aroostook, and so I resent the mischaracterization. When the citizenry is uninformed and rants just to hear themselves as you do, we all lose.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not going to pretend I know anything about the issue involved…I don’t know who is right or wrong but I do think if a group wants to talk to the governor so badly, they will pool their money and carpool down. 

  • waynorth1

    Not at all…..yeah, duh, from Aroostook obviously……and not a cheapskate or complainer. Why don’t you get back on the topic, one of the guidelines. My original point was for the loggers to drive five hours to Augusta to complain/prove points or drive one plus hours to work in the broccoli/potato harvests currently ongoing. Not the greatest career opportunities, but it pays the bills. No wonder Mr. Lepage is looking into unemployment fraud.

    Subject: [bdn] Re: Unemployed, underemployed loggers struggling to meet with LePage

  • Anonymous

    They actually BELIEVED him ?!? 

    ROTFLOL 

  • Anonymous

    MAINE IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS: as long as it comes from out of state & doesn’t create jobs here.  That seems to be what the Governor’s sign translates to..

  • Anonymous

    Tell that to our “wonderful” Rep. Governor…Reps steal from the poor and give to the rich…and YOU know it..the current Rep cannot even speak the English language let alone tell the truth..He has been caught changing his story MANY times…UUGGHH! I am a DEM and worked HARD for a living..driving trucks for more than 14 years, and doing construction…Roofing..and even sales…This isn’t about which side of the political party you are on..it’s about providing work to the people of MAINE and not OUTSOURCING lumber jobs to ANOTHER COUNTRY!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CQ5FTDYTJ4YBVCLT7G4U5RRASY Kitty

    If Sen. Jackson and his allies wanted a photo op to illustrate how impoverished they are and how they are being deprived of a livelihood, they should have rounded up men who have no “excess” body fat (perhaps even looking muscular and fit…..a ready-to-work in the woods depiction) to pose for the photo. I don’t know what these 5 fellows are being deprived of ….but it isn’t food. Gov. Paul LePage vetoed a bill that would have prohibited the Maine Department of Conservation from employing foreign laborers at logging operations on state-owned land.In his letter to lawmakers, LePage wrote that he was vetoing the bill on constitutional grounds. “This veto has nothing to do with the policy in this bill,” LePage wrote. “Governor Baldacci vetoed LD 284 in the 121st Legislature on the same grounds.”

  • Anonymous

    Why are the Canadians able to do the work cheaper ? 
    It is a point made repeatedly in the article that no one seems to be questioning. 
    What are the reasons for that ? 

    I don’t know how that can be the case, and I’m sincerely asking as it is the important logical question, not to make any political point. 

    But  don’t both the political and economic solutions hinges on that ? 

    Face it , with the powers that be,  it’s just about business, not jobs or the economy of Maine, rather  it is about making more money, and cheaper labor translates into bigger corporate profits.

    So it facing that reality, why are the Canadians doing it cheaper is THE key point. 
    Who’s afraid of just saying what the bottom line reality, whatever it may-be, really is ?

  • clamcove

    You read it right. It’s called sending a vocal delegation IF you all really want to be heard. Otherwise, blow it off in the woods somewhere else. Doesn’t sound like you all are really serious about being heard or perhaps the message isn’t serious.

  • Anonymous

    So if just asked outright, what will people like Pulpcutter say about why they mostly like opposed “Obamacare” when the lack of it is why they can’t find work, nor compete with foreign labor in “their own” woods?

    So far the only advantage that people have said that the Canadians have  is because the foreigners do have national health care and we do not. 

    Isn’t the reality that opposing the international standard for developed countries opposing not only your own, but the State of Maine, best interests? 
    Why not ?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CQ5FTDYTJ4YBVCLT7G4U5RRASY Kitty

    As far as meeting with the Governor…it looks like they have a pick-up that will get them down to Augusta in fine shape. I’m sure they could even scare up another pick-up.  As far as I can tell, Sen. Jackson makes his way down to Augusta when the Legislature in in session. Who better to arrange a day, a time and a place for the meeting the Governor agreed to. He agreed to meet with them for an hour. If I insisted on a meeting with Gov. LePage, I would expect to go to Augusta and not demand for the Governor to come to me.

  • Anonymous

    SpruceDweller – What do you suggest a nationally funded health care system be funded with? Politicians have run up a 14+ TRILLION DOLLAR debt that can never be repaid. Do you not understand what BROKE means? They are printing dollars with nothing but thin air to back them up – Do you not understand what BONDAGE means?

    Recently 14 nations met to discuss the formation of a new World Currancy – The USA was NOT invited to this meeting. Do you have any idea what is going to happen when the world no longer deals in Petro-Dollars? You will see skyrocketing prices beyond anything you can ever imagine – OVERNIGHT! Within a few months our hyper-inflation will make the Weimar Republic of 1923 look like a time of prosperity.

    For your info – One billion seconds ago it was 1978. One trillion seconds ago it was 26,000 BC!

  • Anonymous

    You’re a timber company.  You can hire workers whose healthcare is paid for by Canada, or workers who have no coverage and can’t pay any medical costs.  The insurance company covering your business charges you less if you hire the Canadians, because there is less liability risk.

    Who do you hire?

  • Anonymous

    hey, moron.repeating a lie? show me where, the only liars are you dip liberals that go along with socialism that this garbage bag Obama is forcing upon all. his health care law, is worse than canada. why did the premier from labrador come here for heart surgery? as have many others from over the world?
    soon, if this disaster Obama and the other filthy libs, dems came up with is not thrown out,we all will suffer.if it is so great, why have 26 states filed law suits? why has the Obama admin granted a few thousand waivers to unions and companies  that exempt them from this terrible law??
    lie?  sure to you from your jackal president, and MR. mike michaud.if it is so great  why did the congress, that wrote and voted for this, by the way, all democrats, why did they exempt themselves from this law they came up with??a lie? you bet, from Obama and his cohorts to you! FOOL!

  • Anonymous

    American is the richest country in the world by GDP and right now big banks and billionaires are sitting on trillions of dollars, just letting them sit there in deposit, doing nothing.   400 billionaires own as much as the bottom 50% of Americans.  The income of billionaires has more than quadrupled.

    The answer is redistribution of the wealth via taxes on the wealthy, plus government stimulus to create jobs.

    I’m tired of people saying we can’t do it.  This is American.  If every other civilized country can give all its citizens affordable access to a doctor, so can we.  We are not cowards.  We are not incompetent.  If they can do it, we can.

    There’s a reason why people are rising up against Wall Street right now.  Rising up against what WS did in 2008 to destroy the American economy.  See the movie Inside Job.

  • Anonymous

    It’s called expecting decent treatment from your Governor, and not wanting to be rude.  But I agree–now that LePage has callously made his position clear, though he’s too cowardly to admit it, it is time for the loggers, and all other workers who don’t want to be disposable, to ride into the capital and stage massive protests.

  • Anonymous

    You’re wrong.

    His spokesperson said specifically he would set aside an hour for the loggers, yet they continue to whine. 

    “The governor would be happy to meet with the loggers and is willing to devote an hour of time during his Saturday constituent hours to meet with them here in Augusta,” she wrote.”

  • Anonymous

    Maybe the mills shouldn’t have sold their land.

    Other factors, back from my days in the woods, there used to be a currency differential between U.S. & Canadian currencies that favored Canadians (Canadian money was worth less than U.S.) and the Canadians worked their butts off.

  • Anonymous

    hey why dont they skype?? Have a video conference call from UMFK to the state house ?

  • Anonymous

     Strange,I was just looking for a logging job on the State of Maine job bank sight,I found at least 19 logging related jobs,just on this one sight! everything from feller buncher operators,forwarder operators,truck drivers,mechanics,log loader operators and road builders.

    So,whats the problem ? What do you so called “loggers” expect Lepage to do ? take you by the hand and lead you to these jobs.

    Bottom line is, If you guy’s won’t work,the Canadian’s will,so do not blame Lepage if you don’t have a job.We need to keep Maine’s mills supplied with log’s and we will do it with or without you.

  • Anonymous

    I find the air of surprise in this story amusing.  SO happy Lepage is a single-term gov.  

  • Anonymous

    So do you, and those that work in woods, in general, support National Health Care for Americans or not ?

  • Anonymous

    Troy jackson hasn’t work since he has been playing the political games in augusta

  • Anonymous

     wrong….Canadians don’t mind spending a week in the woods camp while the spoiled troy jackson loggers want to come home every night to his mommy. maine logeers the majority don’t want to work over 40 hours but want the pay of 80 hrs.

  • Anonymous

    with your thinking it would put everyone out of business. lumber milland poaper mill have to compete. thinking the government should regulate eveything???? USSR here we go. How old ar you anyway? reread your comments make it illegal to close a mill …???? i will tell you first hand the state of maine has been buying most everything they use in augusta for the past 10 years plus…. out of state…saving maybe a dime. FYI  a bill was just shot down in augusta mostly by the dept of purchasing. they said buying out of state was saving the taxpayers moneys was her answer.. the dept of purchase will sell out a maine busines for  penny it it makes their job look good.

  • Anonymous

    sounds like troy jackson

  • Anonymous

    notice jackson has a stolen inland fisheries cap on

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad that you don’t know any like that. I tried to explain myself further in another comment.

    I agree there are many young people who work hard so they can have a good life but it is also true that there are many who just don’t see the need. My comment was made from personal experiences based on things we have dealt with as a business in the logging industry. Our turn over for young people was much higher than those who were in an older age group. Simply because they did not want to do the job because it was to hard, or to many hours, etc etc.  To many want the $$ but aren’t willing to do the labor to get it. I’m not saying EVERY young person we hired was like this. A lot though were just like what I described above. Which is how I came to word my statement the way I did… stating that it was hard to find a young person these days who is willing to put in an honest hard days work for a paycheck. I didn’t mean it was mpossible.

    In our experience in our area young people like Mr. Belanger are few and far between. My husband was one much like that. He started logging with his father when he was 16 years old during summer breaks from school. He continues to work at the job he loves to this day. He’s gone from working alone  to  forming a small logging company back to working alone. He regrets nothing he’s done and is working to instill that same work ethic in our son who is in his late teens. I myself have grown up around the logging industry so I’ve seen it from many different angles.

    I’m not just pulling opinions out of my hiney to post on here. We are a logging family . In no way am I claiming to be an expert on every logger or potential logger in every corner of the state. I also don’t mean to offend anyone. Again my comments are based on what we’ve dealt with and I am not just making a general statement on every young person in the
    state of Maine. I respect the point of view of those who have chosen to comment on my post.

  • Anonymous

    So never mind why they come, why do companies hire Canadian crews ? 

  • Anonymous

    If people only realized how true this statement actually is!  Minus the reference to Troy Jackson for me.  I personally don’t know the man so I can’t comment on his work ethic.

  • Anonymous

    I bet he didn’t even talk to any of the lumber mill operators.. making up his own version to suit his needs.. of course a Canadian is going to work cheaper.. I wonder if their (the Canadian buisness) income gets taxed in Maine… or the buisnesses pay get taxed… I bet they don’t…

  • Anonymous

    I bet he just could’nt find a maine printer… exactly what happened with his “open for buisness” sign… that was printed out of state too!!!

  • Anonymous

    LePage seems to be on a roll with favoring folks from away over Maine workers. He just let the massive printing job for the Maine State Hunting and Fishing Rule booklet go to some company in Massachusetts. That would have been a great contract for a Maine company and it’s employees. Suppose he was returning a favor to some campaign supporter or is it that he just doesn’t care about Maine workers? 
    *****************************************************************
    ahhh, LePage didn’t “let the printing job go to a Mass. company”.    These contracts are put out to bid BY LAW.  If you don’t like the fact that an out of state company can outbid a Maine company, then change the law.  In fact, why didn’t you go down to Augusta a few years ago when the flag shop owner in Piscataquis County lost his contract with the State for providing Maine state flags to a company in Pennsylvania?
    Yeah, it would have been a good contract for a Maine company, but guys like you LIKE this “global community”, so you now must reap what you sow.
    oh, and btw, these are SEALED bids—no one knows who submitted the bid until they are allopened and reviewed at once.  Seriously, wtf…you think LePage is Karnak the Magnificent? 

  • Anonymous

    Another sad loss of jobs that could have helped Maine. I know there is at least one private business Copy Shop in Augusta that would have loved such a job.     
    **************************************************************
    You should have told them to bid appropriately.

  • Anonymous

    To have been considered cost effective or justifiable decision it would have had to have been a bid that was remarkably lower than any Maine firm offered.
    ***********************************************************
    Wrong.  A few years ago (during the Baldacci reign) the flag shop owner in Piscataquis County lost the contract to a company in Pennsylvania on a bid that was less than $200. a year lower.

  • Anonymous

    Bids should have gone to only in state companies.     
    ***********************************************
    Excellent idea!  That’s how it SHOULD be, but by law, any company can bid on a state contract. You have to change the law.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for summarizing the GOP way of thinking: big corporations first, Maine workers second–a distant second, for that matter.     
    ***********************************************************
    thanks for reinforcing my belief that you are a Democrat tool.  When the state, under the Baldacci regime, handed the contract for supplying the state with Maine state flags to a small company in Pennsylvania because that company outbid the Maine company by less than $200…would that bethe Democrat way of thinking?  Screw the Maine businessman because he’s not a Democrat.

  • Anonymous

    LePage wrote that he was vetoing the bill on constitutional grounds. “This veto has nothing to do with the policy in this bill,” LePage wrote. “Governor Baldacci vetoed LD 284 in the 121st Legislature on the same grounds.”     
    **********************************************
    Kitty, you can’t remind these people that Baldacci did the same thing…after all, he was a God and didn’t do ANYTHING wrong!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Nafta was a Republican Pipe dream that  Bill Clinton Bought hook line and sinker!

    look it up!

    Passed Veto  proof By a Republican Majority in Congress and H Bush, but signed into law by Clinton! 

  • Anonymous

    211.000 on my sweet old jeep. *****************************
    “It’s a Jeep thing…they wouldn’t understand!”
    I knew there was another reason I liked you STG!

  • Anonymous

    Mainers with jobs and families to house,clothe and feed …once again being sold out by lepage while he is ” Out Of Town”. Can anyone get a copy of lepages “tabs” for these “road trips”. ?Did Lauren drive or the 10 State Police that got paid 24/7 to ensure his safety??
    ***************************************************************
    …So, you’d still pi$s and moan about the cost for a ‘road trip’ up to the County for a ‘listening tour’ with unemployed loggers?  yep—thought so.

  • Anonymous

    Is Lepage still a Canadian citizen?His parents were from Canada and he married and Canadian (first wife) and lived in Canada for years with full rights as a citizen.Has he ever revoked that citizenship or is it still in effect?  
    *******************************************************
    Perhaps if you actually provided some kind of proof, say…immigration or naturalization papers showing he legally became a citizen of Canada—THEN you wouldn’t look so foolish with your speculation and innuendo.   

  • Anonymous

    This Jesus you refer to in your first sentence. Would that happen to be the same Jesus that the majority of Mainers refer to as their Lord and Savior?     
    ********************************************************
    No, that would be Jesus the illegal alien crossing the Rio Grande into the U.S.

  • Anonymous

    hey why dont they skype?? Have a video conference call from UMFK to the state house ?     
    **********************************************************
    They’d probably complain they don’t have gas money to drive to the University.

  • Anonymous

    When Maine had a rebate program to give up to $500 for the installation of a high efficiency furnace, the whole operation was done in Mass. Nothing against, but why weren’t the residents of Maine given the opportunity to manage this program.  
    *********************************************************
    government rebates are done by the Feds, not by state govt.  Rebates for furnaces sold to Vermonters were processed in MA.  Rebates for furnaces sold to residents of MA were processed in MA.  Companies in Maine most likely were given the opportunity, but apparently the company in MA did a better job for less money.  If the Fed gov. is already subsidizing the purchase of furnaces throughout the country, they should do it as inexpensively as possible. 

    Hallowell Inc. of Bangor, ME was given a govt. contract to design, manufacture and install heat pumps on military base housing in several states.  The design was poor, the manufacturing was poor and the installation was poor.  The company is out of business, possibly filing bankruptcy and is being sued by the govt.  If you don’t know what you are doing, you shouldn’t BE in business.

  • Anonymous

    They want him there to just prove a point.  They want to have him feel sorry for them.  Too bad if they got the time they can drive down I-95 to Augusta.  It’s always Lepage’s fault.   If  they can’t drive down and meet with him then they should just go find something elses to complain about .  They are just like Liberals want to have everyone feeling sorry for them and want to have a handout and have their hands held.

  • Anonymous

    I suggest using technology to get this meting facilitated…use the ITV system at the University of Maine…The Governor can stay in Augusta, the Loggers can come in over the ITV network. Lets think smart. Senator Jackson IS representing his constituency and his first hand knowledge is value added. I have no stake in this arena except to say that coming together is achievable if both sides want…come on Governor LePage, your staff can this meeting happen and Senator Jackson can get folks to the table. Have an honest, open, reasonable discussion that is meaningful.  Need help, ask for a facilitator to run the meeting. Then listen to each other, really listen.  The Mills need wood, Maine logging workers need jobs and Mains has enough wood to harvest so as I see it YOU are the stumbling block. Get your Commissioner of Labor and yourself on ITV meet w/the men/women and put Mainers back to work. Again, You can make it happen If you want to.  You are our Governor so set your personal feelings aside for the good of the workers and the mills…this is a win-win situation.       Come on Mainers keep the pressure on, if the marine industry was in despair would your voice be silent-help your fellow industry in order to keep this Maine industry alive… 

  • Tyke

    wth are you babbling about? If you were born in Canada to parents born in America you would have rights as an American – just like Lepage had in Canada as a Canadian. He lived there, worked full time there and raised two Canadian born children until he left his family and came back to America almost immediately after Crater declared amnesty for draft evaders.

    Just try moving to Canada and living there for year after year working full time as a non citizen, Guess what – you can’t!

  • Tyke

    Riiiight. So THAT must be why the Canadian health system out scores America on every measure of health.

    Natasha Richardson died because she refused emergency care for over 4 hours. You think she refused care because she was in Canada? Really?

    Facts (real ones not right wing talking points) prove you have been hoodwinked.

  • Anonymous

    wth are you babbling about? If you were born in Canada to parents born in America you would have rights as an American – just like Lepage had in Canada as a Canadian. He lived there, worked full time there and raised two Canadian born children until he left his family and came back to America almost immediately after Crater declared amnesty for draft evaders.Just try moving to Canada and living there for year after year working full time as a non citizen, Guess what – you can’t!   
    ********************************************************
    what are YOU babbling about?     Do you know ANYTHING about dual citizenship?  Having dual citizenship is theonly way LePage could “have rights as a Canadian”.  The thing is, there are rules one must follow if they claim dual citizenship.  Here are the pertinent ones for your perusal , should you actually want to LEARN something instead of just spewing the typical Democrat(ic) party line. 
    1.)all people born inside of a nation are citizens of that nation, however, those born to foreign nationals also have the right to claim citizenship of the nation of their parent. Americans can claim Canadian citizenship if born in the United States to a Canadian parent
    2.)For a person to retain Canadian citizenship if born to a Canadian outside of Canada, an application for citizenship must be made before the applicant’s 28th birthday. To claim citizenship, an application form must be acquired from the Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) and submitted with the application fee ($75) and a passport-size photo.

    3.)In either the United States or Canada, citizenship can be acquired through naturalization after a period of five years of legal residency. In Canada, application for naturalization can be made after a period of three years of legal residency inside of Canada. An application form must be submitted along with passing a “knowledge of Canada” test.

    4.)Spouses of Canadian citizens must also have lived in Canada for three years before applying for citizenship. The same procedures apply to spouses as for those naturalizing.
    (these requirements can be viewed at any govt. site, I give credit to ehow.com)

    Now, unless you want to provide written proof that LePage completed ANY of these methods to retain dual citizenship, you cannot say with a straight face that he is  a Canadian citizen.  So, seriously Tyke dear, grow up, grow a set and post some actual proof of your claims…or continue to look like the tool that you are.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CQ5FTDYTJ4YBVCLT7G4U5RRASY Kitty

    I realize if I remind “them” of Gov. Baldacci’s veto of LD284 on the same grounds as Gov. LePage’s veto, their eyes just glaze over and they purposely refuse to let it compute.  But I throw out the “fly in the ointment” anyway. LePage haters don’t function on reasonableness and equanimity. They fretfully wait for anything  to give them grounds to launch their foaming-at-the mouth rants and rages at Paul LePage. Their feet are permantly bolted in the mural muddle and they won’t stop their frenzied wrath as long as Gov. LePage is at the helm. I’m curious if they can retain and maintain their level of disgust and hatred for Gov. Lepage for 3 more years (and 3 months) I’m sure if one of them could look me in the eye, as their temples throb, would declare, “you bet I can keep churning out my hatred for Paul LePage for 3 more years and more!”  Toxins stored in a can destroys the can from within.

  • Anonymous

    Why  shouldn’t we all trust LePage?? after all in his infinite wisdom he made it clear that ESTROGEN  makes beards grow…LOL …(estrogen is a FEMALE hormone for those of you who don’t know) So OF COURSE he wants to help the loggers and the people of MAINE.(as long as it fits into HIS agenda) 

  • Anonymous

    video link to LePages scientific knowledge..Estrogen, women with little beards. 
    http://youtu.be/YXt4mYbFY7s

     

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