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Some Maine gas stations short-changing customers at the pumps, officials say

A gas pump at a station in Bangor on March 13, 2011.
A gas pump at a station in Bangor on March 13, 2011.
Posted Oct. 02, 2011, at 1:32 p.m.
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AUGUSTA, Maine — In recent weeks, inspectors from the Department of Agriculture weights and measures unit have found several gas stations with pumps significantly shorting customers, but state officials can’t say if it is a trend because they are using a proprietary database system that greatly limits the ability to analyze the data collected by inspectors.

“We had one large station with 12 nozzles and six were so far out of tolerance that we ordered them immediately shut down until they could be fixed,” said Hal Prince, director of the Department of Agriculture division of quality assurance and regulations. At another station an inspector found all of the pumps were delivering less gasoline than customers were paying for.

“We usually find that one pump may be over-delivering a little while another is under-delivering a little,” he said. “It often roughly balances out.”

But not when a pump operates up to seven times outside the allowable error tolerance. Prince said in that case his inspector figured for every 1,000 gallons of fuel sold consumers were losing about $2,300.

“It can be significant,” he said. “We are talking about some consumers being significantly shorted.”

The state has just nine inspectors in the weights and measures unit, and another 29 local inspectors hired by about 100 cities and towns, with municipalities often sharing an inspector. And it is not just gas pumps they are inspecting, it is everything from weight scales in grocery stores to fuel delivery trucks.

“I would like to say we inspect every pump at least once a year,” Prince said. “But I can’t say that; we just don’t have the staff.”

He believes the unannounced inspections are deterrents to stations deliberately not repairing a nozzle that is malfunctioning or to tampering with the pumps. He said the unit also depends on consumer complaints and often does spot inspections of stations.

But in a memo dated Sept. 9, 2011, his staff reports other states have had cases of deliberate fraud.

“Several well-known retailers are knowingly overcharging the public and assuming that any fines that they pay are more than offset by the increased profit,” the memo stated.

That any stations have any pumps that are cheating consumers angers some lawmakers. Sen. Roger Sherman, R-Houlton, the co-chairman of the legislature’s Agriculture, Conservation and Forestry Committee, said with gasoline prices a dollar per gallon higher than a year ago, consumers deserve to know they are getting what they paid for.

“People put their thumb on the scales for a long time, this is certainly a new way to put a thumb on the scale,” he said. “I would think a station would know when a pump is not working right and would fix it.”

Sherman said he is very upset that the weights and measures unit cannot answer the simple question of how widespread the problem is. He said consumers need to be assured that they are getting what they pay for.

“To think that you have some station that half the pumps have to be shut down because they are not delivering the amount of gasoline or fuel that they are supposed to, that is atrocious,” he said.

Rep. Jeff McCabe, D-Skowhegan, is the lead Democrat on the committee. He shared Sherman’s outrage that some stations could have so many pumps so far off on delivery accuracy.

“Consumers should be given the correct amount of gas and need the appropriate protections if that is not occurring,” he said.

McCabe said he is very concerned that the department appears not to have the equipment they need to properly analyze what is happening in the state. He said the committee should hold hearings on the issue and Sherman agrees.

“This is something I think we really need to look at,” he said. “I am just astounded at what I am hearing.”

Sherman said if the agency’s computer system is outdated or not able to provide useful information, replacing the system with new and useful technology should be considered.

Prince acknowledges the shortcomings of the system in use. He said the issue is one often faced in state government: lack of resources. The problem with the existing database system is it must be searched by entering the names of individual gas stations. It can’t be searched using criteria such as parent companies or violations.

“It would be great to have a system that I could use to determine where to most efficiently use our inspectors,” he said. “Or to see if there are trends that we need to address. But we don’t have the resources to replace the system we have in place now.”

Sherman said lawmakers should take a look at the issue in the January session. He expects many lawmakers will be concerned about gas stations overcharging customers.

 

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  • Anonymous

    Irving is notorious for this…..I’ve actually reported them before. Gas prices are bad enough without them already ripping us off.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEXITICOEYKANAQRP6IQ4DLOVA Jennifer

    Can’t say as I’m shocked… insuring that people get what they pay for is probably one of those “job killing government overreach” things the tea baggers are always complaining about.

  • Anonymous

    transparency  is a good thing . :)

  • Anonymous

    Hey Governor. Here’s a fraud investigation for you that might actually reveal something.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andy-Murphy/100000532901708 Andy Murphy

    I recently fueled at a station that had a sticker stating the pump failed inspection , but was still in use. Why?

  • Anonymous

    More government regulation crushing Maine businesses! 

    Oh wait…

  • Anonymous

    They need to publish a list of stations who repeatedly are found to be doing this sort of thing!!!

  • Anonymous

    Couple of things come to mind reading this Bangor Daily Spin story.
    1.Do we have to file a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act request to get the Bangor Daily News to list the offending gas stations?
    Maybe we could bring in some staff attorneys from Pinetree Legal and do some inservice training with
    the BDN reporting staff to teach them how to file a FOIA eh?

    2. Do we have to file a class action civil lawsuit against the hacks at the Attorney General’s office to
    get them to file criminal charges against the offending gas stations?
    C’mon Jim McKenna we have come to expect more from you at the Consumer Fraud Office in the
    AG’s office! Do we need to identify you as a hack?

    3. Where the hell are the Consumer Warriors from the Maine Peoples Alliance?
    They should be all over this issue like flies on Giffords.

    4. How can we consumers get together after reading this article, to join forces and bring a civil class
    action against these fossil fuel perps?

    Where the hell is a FBI agent when you need her? Oh, you say they are getting ready to retire and are
    writing their resume to submit to the offending oil companies to run their Corporate Security program.

    Someone needs to ask Congressman Mike Michaud if the perps were wearing NuBalance sneakers when these crimes were committed.

  • Anonymous

    “Several well-known retailers are knowingly overcharging the public and assuming that any fines that they pay are more than offset by the increased profit,” the memo stated….hey, these well-known retailers are job creators.  we need to keep big government off the backs of free enterprise.

  • Anonymous

    Commonplace at Foster’s . . . .  And why is it that there anywhere from .10-.16 difference at the Foster’s pumps between the union st (by the airport and their brewer store. . .  GREEDY!!!

  • Anonymous

    as far as i’m concerned, the people getting ripped off are guilty of engaging in class warfare. they need to get with the right wing program of robbing the poor to pay the rich.  

  • Anonymous

    There may be something to this. I always fill up when the light on the dash asks me to. Generally I fill up around 12.9 gallons. The last few times I have filled at 13.2 gallons. It was as if my tank got bigger. I thought it was a fluke.

  • Anonymous

    i complained once to a station cause my 17 gallon tank took 20 to fill up. where did the extra 3 gallons go cause most tanks do not actually hold there full amount.
    I think they should investigate why fuel sold in orono sells for 3.38 while us poor people in the county pay 3.71  if it costs that much to ship by truck why not use rail they claim to be more efficent. plus we own the line lets use it to save us some money

  • Anonymous

    personally, i think that us taxpayers should subsidize another trillion dollars in iraq to allow for the uninterrupted flow of oil to the large oil companies and provide them with the opportunity to gouge every american at the gas pump.  

  • Anonymous

    Good idea, but LePage is all surface and no substance. It’s so much easier for him to travel around for this conference or that event and say whatever buzzwords are currently relevant and claim he’s changing the status quo. But when he leaves office, I think we’ll find our lives are the same. We’ll still be paying too much for necessities like heat and health care, while the Penguin trundles off to Florida to grace THEM with his presence.

  • Anonymous

    That’s exactly what I was thinking. There might be some legal red-tape against it, but a published list would be a very effective means of stopping the intentional offenders.

  • Anonymous

    Because it apparently costs $2,640 to truck 8,000 gallons of gas another 2 or 3 hours.

    Ya know.. if the price of gas wasn’t so high, I bet they could ship it a lot cheaper and pass along the savings to us.. 

    Oh.. wait..

    Big Oil are a bunch of money-grubbing crooks.  In addition to government subsidies, they are raping us at the pumps (and for fuel oil, etc.), the entire time whining about the increasing cost of crude.. yet they are STILL posting record profits.  There is really something wrong with this picture, and no one is doing a damn thing to stop these assholes.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/7H2IWHCEYXVLCYL7W52P6GXGFI N

    Get used to this happening more and more. The push for smaller government is code for fewer inspectors. The real reason for the smaller government argument is so businesses can get away with this sort of stuff. Careful what you wish for.

  • Anonymous

    Just wondering – how old are you?

  • Anonymous

    well, before Baldacci came in, my life was good… once he left… it got sooooo much worse…. so… if LePage leaves and its all the same…. he still did better than Baldacci

  • Anonymous

    “his inspector figured for every 1000 gallons of fuel sold consumers were losing about $2,300.”

    at $3.50/gallon, 1000 gallons = $3,500.  If consumers are losing $2,300, then they are only getting 3500-2300=1200/3.50=340 gallons for every 1000 gallons sold?!  This has got to be sloppy reporting.

  • Anonymous

    Several years ago, I filled up at a gas station.  I was not quite on empty, and I had a 15 gallon tank.  The pump claimed I put in 15.6 gallons.  That was not possible so I reported it to the state.  The state checked out the pumps and found the pump was off.  When the state finds the stations that are cheating us, they should put out a press release with the name and location of the offenders.  And, we should be able to go to the station and get our money back or the state should sue the stations for our money.

  • Anonymous

    The county has mostly Irving station that are delivering from Canada.  The county is on the border of Canada.  No excuse for extra travel cost.

  • Anonymous

    WHICH GAS STATIONS HAD TO  CLOSE DOWN THEIR PUMPS?????  Think that might somewhat relevant to THIS story?????

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Hosebeast/100002095287763 Regina Hosebeast

    Here come the Lepage comments. Hey guys, know what? Cutler and Mitchell lost. Get over it already.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sparrowsandwrens Michael Shaughnessy

    The problem is that  humanity has a basic capacity for greed and without laws and oversight to enforce those laws regular people will be shafted. This is the result of cutting away the regulatory and enforcement capacities of the government as is the major emphasis of Republicans. These stations as should banks etc. not be fined but shut down.

  • Anonymous

    How hard would it be for the towns to have  code enforcement officer, fire inspector, police officer etc. go around and do an inspection? In my town there are 8 places with pumps. Should not take all that long to check them and keep them honest.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not how I see it.  If you knock off the two zeros, I see it as consumers being overcharged on average by about $2.30 for every 10 gallons sold.  Anyone else?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PZWOQR34TPD2SNQ6LEOAQHJHQA Ricko

    you also have to take into account how much gas the station sells also, the more they sell the lower the price…also take into account location…a gas station next to I95 or other major road, even though they sell more, are going to be higher because people dont want to travel extra to get gas..so  they know they can have a higher price and and people will still pay it.

    That said they do need to publish the list of these stations  as a deterrent…

    also article said that some stations in other states have major corporations that weigh the price of the fine against the extra income…..easy way to fix that is make the fine 120% of the extra money they took in there by eleminating the benefit.

  • http://twitter.com/AJWilliams24 Andrew Williams

    How are you so sure they are shorting you or giving you more than you paid for? I mean you can do the math from what the machine “says” but is what shows on the screen accurate?

  • Anonymous

    LOL…yeah, sounds like that there gubmint has been doing a crack shot job at “insuring people get what they pay for”!

  • Anonymous

    the r.h.foster in no.brewer is always higher than anybody, first to raise prices last to lower them. across the street is cheaper and they pump.but people patronize fosters so theyll keep ripping people off

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    The reason Maine agencies don’t have adequate equipment could have something to do with the prior administration’s fondness for funding social programs over real consumer needs.

    The new administration in Augusta will not stand for such rapacious defrauding of Maine residents.

  • Anonymous

    I see we have another area to save some state money.  Why have inspectors at all?  The open market will make sure that all gas stations are truthful and honest, right?  So Big Paulie, get rid of these business impediments (inspectors) from the dept. of weights and measures and let the businesses decide what is best for their customers.  Caveat Emptor!  

  • Anonymous

    Correct and that corresponds roughly to my sudden gas tank increase below.

  • Anonymous

    How about a list of stations found to be in violation?   I understand small variances can exist but $2,300 for every 1000 gallons of gas?  That’s about 2/3 a gallon for every gallon sold at today’s pricing.  The concept of the open market only works when consumers have all pertinent information available to them.  Let’s make that happen.

  • PaulNotBunyan

    Just writing the word “tolerances” is inadequate. How about some real numbers? Am I being ripped off at the rate of .01% or 5%? Give us the whole story.

  • Anonymous

    No, $2.30 for every 10 gallons would be equivalent to losing $230 ($2.3 x 100 based upon 1000 gallons).  This could be a reporting error but this is how the article reads

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QQUYWQBNAURQUGWCBSP35WC4LA davehill

    that is obamas doing!

  • Anonymous

    I’ll bet if these over-charging places were losing money instead, they’d be quick to fix the pumps!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QQUYWQBNAURQUGWCBSP35WC4LA davehill

    ensuring

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Todd-Foster/686645014 Todd Foster

    No, if you knocked off BOTH zero’s it’s $23.00 for every 10.00 gallons. Or $2.30 for every 1.00 gallon. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QQUYWQBNAURQUGWCBSP35WC4LA davehill

    i’ll bet the pumps get adjusted pronto when they are giving too much gas!

  • Anonymous

    No, that would be $23.00 per hundred.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Correction – the Maine administration responsible for the shortage of inspectors and working equipment is the former Baldacci regime – run by a Democrat.

    Not the current one run by a Republican, Gov. Paul J. LePage. His is the one finding and fixing the problems, just like we see with the new fraud revelations on the unemployment payments.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QQUYWQBNAURQUGWCBSP35WC4LA davehill

    no, that would be 23,000 dollars for every banana sold.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly my point.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Amen. Some of us are more concerned with Maine’s “here and now.”

  • Anonymous

    what gets me is…. how come this is an all of a sudden problem?…..you can’t tell me that all of a sudden they dont have the ways and means of knowing how bad this is?….I used to help a person do the testing at stations in lincoln and wet enfield and howland… the paperwork for these tests were sent to augusta…. so all the data is there…. if a station has more then one pump significantly out of the test range…. then they should be fined… plain and simple…. not just tagging the pump until recalibrated…..just burns me up that this is all of a sudden in the open.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Don’t worry about it!

    The Govnuh is going to merge the dept of Conservation with the Dept of Agriculture, so next year you won’t know wether they are rigged or not!

    After all who needs regulations like having a standard measure for commerce!

    We need to be More “”Buisness Friendly”"!

  • Anonymous

    Uh huh…the governor is going to protect you….just like he protected Maine loggers…lol

  • Anonymous

    Someone needs to start going around with a 5 gallon gas can calibrated and marked for exactly 5 gallons.  Then we need a website to report results!

  • Anonymous

    If they can publish the list of stores that sold alcohol to undercover minors they should be able to post the stations that are screwing us at the pumps!

  • Anonymous

    Oops, meant to reply to Todd Foster.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Here is a better one!

       Bring a two gallon can to the gas station fill it up, check the measure and if it is significantly wrong call the state Police and prosecute the owner of the gas station for theft by deception.

    That will wake em up!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCC3ABRLTIU3EFA26HUIDQZTSM Chris

    I knew a person who used to check the pumps for the state . … the biggest offenders were the biggest sellers. He used to issue 15 or 30 day notices . He would go back and nothing had changed… nothing ever got enforced. Think about it next time you fill up. You put in $20 but don’t get close to that out. 

  • Anonymous

    Ayup, those danged buisnesses are a problenx

  • Anonymous

    You are right, but it only represents sloppy writing and very sloppy editing, if any.

  • Anonymous

    I like your idea, why not post the names of the “bad guys”, hey Maine Reps?????

  • Anonymous

    So..because they dont have enough staff we consumers will still pay more than we should at the pumps…why bother to even tell us about it at all if you dont have any plans on doing anything about it? Sheesh!

  • Moose

    The state does not have the grapefruits to list all the stations..They are spineless or lets see if Lepage does???

  • Anonymous

    OK, but let’s not list gouging stations if they’re part of a chain: if “Joe’s ShortStop” is shorting customers, and it’s a chain dealer, just list “(the chain name) stations” as the offender and let the chain worry about the details.

  • Anonymous

    Horse manure!  You get a state employee that will turn in an honest day’s work for a day’s pay and you’ll find there are plenty of ‘resources’ to do the job at hand.

    That’s where the REAL short changing is going on.

  • Anonymous

    This article gets recycled every year around this time.  Maine has been short of inspectors for at least six years that I know of, so it’s probably way longer.  Watch how long it takes for those suffering from LDS to whine that he cut the budget and staff and in doing so, we get screwed.

  • Anonymous

    How hard would it be for the towns to have code enforcement officer, fire inspector, police officer etc. go around and do an inspection?
    **********************************************************
    It would be VERY difficult as inspection of scales (weights & measures) is not a duty of police, fire inspectors or code enforcement.  It is handled by state employees within the Office of the Secretary of State.  They have been “short” inspectors for 6 years that I know of, probably alot more. 

  • Anonymous

    Always wondered why my five gallon can was never full to the top at 6 gallons.  I just thought it was a metric system thing!

  • Anonymous

    There may be something to this. I always fill up when the light on the dash asks me to. Generally I fill up around 12.9 gallons. The last few times I have filled at 13.2 gallons. It was as if my tank got bigger. I thought it was a fluke.     
    *********************************************
    nah, it’s not a fluke…your tank is pregnant.

  • Anonymous

    It seems to me that we the people have a right to know who, if a state employee knows, it’s a matter of public record, for the station name is to hid from public view by any state employee that knows then maybe that state employee needs to find different job and not with feeding off the state trough.  

  • Anonymous

    I’ve had the same issue, my tank is supposed to be 17 gallons and I have put in 18 before and the car wasn’t even empty.

  • Anonymous

    Something isn’t correct, for every 1000 gallons sold, consumers were losing about 
    $2,300….that’s $2.30 per gallon!!  Must be a typo or if that’s true, the station owners should be publicly hung.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Trent-McGlasson/813657341 Trent McGlasson

    Wouldn’t it make sense to just check out your local gas station yourself with a five gallon can? Fill up 5 milk jugs with water pouring it into the can and marking the level. Then if it doens’t come close you know something’s going on.

  • Anonymous

    OK, since both the State and the Towns have health inspectors, both the Towns and State have Fire Inspectors. Since both the State and the towns have law enforcement, I would think they can have people check gas pumps. It would NOT be hard to cross train a town employee to do the inspections. As the BDN story says “The state has just nine inspectors in the weights and measures unit, and another 29 local inspectors hired by about 100 cities and towns, with municipalities often sharing an inspector.” I guess the towns CAN inspect if they choose.  It can’t be to hard to take a certified measuring can, go to a pump, pump one gallon and see if it is a gallon. Even if the town employee couldn’t take enforcement action they could call the state inspector in. We can’t expect the state to do everything for us, we need to do some of this on our own.

  • http://twitter.com/jeffdavisme Jeff Davis

    The state of Maine warned consumers that pump failed inspection. If the consumer uses it anyway, they can’t blame the state. They tried to warn you. Buyer beware.

  • Anonymous

    thats a great idea, we pay over 25 cents per gallon at the station in state taxes, just divert that money back to the towns at point of sale and the towns can assign a cop or hire someone to do keep an eye on these pumps. 

  • Anonymous

    It seems that these station owners are stealing from us. I wonder why these owners are not arrested.

  • Anonymous

    Are you saying that the Maine State Employees Association “the union” would encourage it’s members to give less than an honest days work for an honest days pay?  Wouldn’t that be agreeing with the current Governor?

  • Anonymous

    lol

  • Anonymous

    The picture shows its a Citgo station. Thats a start. 

  • Anonymous

    I must say, I’m agassed

  • Anonymous

    Reading this article made me think of just the same thing…  Fill up a small, known-quantity container, check it against the display on the pump, and then see if I want to continue pumping any more.

    Outside of this, we really don’t know how accurate a gas pump is since fuel gauges on cars and trucks really can’t tell us exactly how much fuel we have and how much we just added.

  • Anonymous

    If a consumer cheated a gas station by not paying it would be in all the paper courtnews. when a station cheats consumers, why don’t they post station names? Augusta, time to look out for consumers.

  • Anonymous

    “Get government out of my gas can!”

  • Anonymous

    We don’t need more inspectors, we need the name of the offenders published in neon. Problem would be solved pronto.

  • ddog

    This explains how, on two occasions this summer, I have put once 5.2 and once 5.3 gallons in my 5 gallon motorcycle tank!

  • Anonymous

    I’m from Away, down in southern New England and I can honestly say I’ve never knowingly seen a pump shortchange me when filling a gas can of known quantity for my lawn mower or other power equipment in all the years I lived there.  If anything, my 5 gallon can would be almost overfilled before the pump display got to 5 gallons.  I always figured that was because the true, usable capacity of a 5 gallon gas can to be a bit less than its completely-full-to-the-absolute-top capacity.

    The next time I fill up here in Maine, I’m bringing along one of those containers (or maybe my smaller 2 gallon one) before I start filling the car’s gas tank, sight unseen to see what’s going on with this for myself.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEXITICOEYKANAQRP6IQ4DLOVA Jennifer

    I can’t spell…. it’s been a problem throughout my life.. lol

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEXITICOEYKANAQRP6IQ4DLOVA Jennifer

    You can’t get the names of the offenders without inspectors doing the inspecting… just sayin’.

  • Anonymous

    I guess it’s right what some people say about the state obligation to do it’s job you get what you pay for…a nickel ain’t worth a dime anymore.

  • kkmousse

    It would be nice to have a list, however in many areas you do not have any options for gas. With one gas station for miles around you are forced to use there service or run on empty.  You also pay a premium price even if the company may have gotten the gas cheaper. It is not always passes along to the consumer.

  • Anonymous

    Require the station to put up a sign for 90 days saying, “I SCREWED MY CUSTOMERS”.

  • Anonymous

    Well maybe it should be the duty of fire inspector, police, etc….what else do they have to do anyway, especially full time fire department employees.

  • Anonymous

    I disagree… 

    2300 move the decimal once = 230
    2300 move the decimal twice = 23

    1000 move the decimal once = 100
    1000 move the decimal twice = 10

    Thus “for every 10 gallons of fuel sold consumers were losing about $23.00″

    Or for every 1 gallon they are listing $2.30

    I’m not saying the article is right, just saying your “math” is not.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder how much the Maine Oil Dealers and Association of Small Businesses (gas stations and the like) pay to certain politicians to keep their names being posted as dishonest.  While state employees have to follow the laws and policies that the elected and paid for politicians enact, I question who is keeping the list from the public?  When a person steals money from a pension fund, their name is public in minutes; but, businesses with money to buy politicians and newspaper ad space can keep their dirty laundry a bit more quiet.  

  • Anonymous

    I wish they gave the names of the stations so we could avoid them.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve filled up my car before, which I rarely do as I don’t have much money, and I have a 20 gallon tank, and some how it took 22 gallons…when I asked about this, the attendant told me it was because the tank was 20 gallons and the hoses and such held 2 additional gallons…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MWFPOA5XX4TUQDWSFMPMIAGTWY Carole

    I got this information from the State of Maine web site.

    The contact person for weights and measures inspections is Steve Giguere. His phone number is 207 287 3841. His email address is steve.giguere@maine.gov  This might be a person some of you might want to get in touch with.

  • Anonymous

    That is because there is a hiring freeze and the state only replaces certain positions, and along with this hiring freeze there has been a freeze on wages for around the last 3 years and they have passed for 3 more years of the same….so these are not “essential” employees apparently….that is how it is in all branches/offices around the state. Nice huh?

  • Anonymous

    “Have you ever received less gas than you paid for?” Now, what kind of question is this? The numbers whip around, amd I always forget my calculator…

  • Anonymous

    I agree but you have to remember gas weighs less than water I think it is around 6.1 lbs comapared to water which is around  8  So if some were to do this make sure your ducks are in a row

  • Anonymous

    That is funny because up here in Houlton there are many pumps that haven’t been inspected for 3 to 6 years. I think the state should share some of this blame.

  • Anonymous

    thanks for the info professor…his measure was 2 gallons…not weight by volume

  • Anonymous

    Is that why you drive down the highway you seee  DOT folks always sitting on the side of the road with a crew of 6 to 7  workers.  With all of them standing there except one person doing the job. You see DHHS workers in videos aired on tv teaching people to create Welfare Fraud.  I never trust Liberal Politicians or Government workers they lie like crazy.  All they care about is spending more on stupid programs that don’t work ,  DHHS computer systems that never work or give handouts to everyone who votes them in power.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    A two gallon container is a two gallon container regardless of the wieght!

  • Anonymous

    I stated we don’t need “more” inspectors. 

  • Anonymous

    So wait, if their wages are frozen, they’re not able to do their jobs? 

  • Anonymous

    Well maybe it should be the duty of fire inspector, police, etc….what else do they have to do anyway, especially full time fire department employees.
    *******************************************************
    I think the respective unions might have something to say about that…..lol

  • Anonymous

    News flash – you live in the boondocks.  You are actually lucky that anybody bothers to truck gas up there at all – there can’t be much profit in it. 

  • Anonymous

    That ‘someone’ is called a State inspector. 

  • Anonymous

    How about shutting down the offenders pumps for 6 months?

  • Anonymous

    The bigger question is why would you use that pump?

  • Anonymous

    It can’t be to hard to take a certified measuring can, go to a pump, pump one gallon and see if it is a gallon. Even if the town employee couldn’t take enforcement action they could call the state inspector in. We can’t expect the state to do everything for us, we need to do some of this on our own.     
    **********************************************
    You are right, of course…and I think you have a very good idea.  I think the towns would have to approve the funding at town meeting, I’m not sure how it works with a mayor/council style of government such as Bangor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Becca-Dodge/504932230 Becca Dodge

    I think This happened to me the other day. I payed for 18 dollars in gas, pump said it was a little over 5 gallons. When I got in my car it never went up past !/4 tank, and my tank is only 11 gallons. It was the Irving in Scarborough on the corner of pine point rd and rt 1.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eric.j.foster Eric J Foster

    Punish? They should be prosecuted just like we would be if they caught us stealing RingDings!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4L63GCXJWMMCZUDDAVEFLEQLRI matt

    tell us the stations, the general public will fix them. Its called boycott them.

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t folks ask the state why pumps downeast haven’t been checked in 3 or 4 years. The station pays a fee per nozzle to get the service from the state and yet they aren’t getting done. Who’s fault is that? Next time you buy gas look for the state sticker on the upper part of the pump and check the date, supposed to be done every year.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_F7VMUU5NIDG3Y2AUPJUMBJY7B4 JEFF

    that’s the states fault it is their job to insure the pumps meter out the right amount of gas for an amount of money.

  • Anonymous

    I think you’re right. I think they probably meant $2,300 per 10,000 gallons.

  • Anonymous

    I’m all for that, also close all their stations if they own multiple places. Jail time if you can prove its intentional.

  • Anonymous

    That was the one specific case where the inspectors found that the pumps were more than 7 times the “allowed” differance. The story does not say that all of the incorrect pumps were that far out of range. This was not an accidental error but outright fraud on the part of the operator. It looks like they were only getting about HALF of the gas they were paying for!

  • Richard Lumb

    There are a number of honorable retired people in all Maine cities and towns who would volunteer for this duty.  They could be hired for $1.00 by a town, for example, get proper training and require they sign in with the city or town manager, provide a schedule and results and go forth.  Send a notice to the stations in that community saying the following individuals have been sanctioned to conduct measuring of pumps and go for it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G4KA6KCOLTJYSH2DM2VQHCOKYI Anonymous

    This requires to be a state inspector, not a local volunteer fire fighter.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G4KA6KCOLTJYSH2DM2VQHCOKYI Anonymous

    Most fire department in Maine are volunteer.

  • Anonymous

    Didn’t you read the article?  They don’t have enough inspectors.  We can’t expect government to do everything for us.  Sometimes, we have to do it for ourselves.

  • Anonymous

    Its OBAMANOMICS in action.

  • Anonymous

    That price is what “contractors” charge the Govt. for the product.
    Example : $ 90 hammer.
    Example : $ 600 toilet seat.
    Example : $400 haircut.

    Pay up, pilgrim.

  • Anonymous

     You think you are agassed.
    But you are not.
    You have been hosed.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G4KA6KCOLTJYSH2DM2VQHCOKYI Anonymous

    As a former state employee, I cant believe the ignorance that runs rampant on this thread.
    wage freeze = zero wage increase
    hiring freeze = when a worker leaves (quits, retires, etc) the administration do not fill the position.

    This translates to an office that should have : 
    10 workers 
    - 4 workers quit/retire
    =6 people to do all the tasks required of the 10 original.

    Think about how many fill stations are in your town/city. Now how many are in the state?  what is the travel time between all the stations?

    Honestly, I know people think that State employees are “riding the gravy train” and “living high on the hog” but seriously here is the real deal:
    As a single mom of 1 child, I would have been more then qualified to be on welfare (Maine care, food stamps, childcare voucher, you name it), you know why I couldn’t be: because I was a state employee. If I worked at McDonald’s, Hannaford’s, Walmart, anywhere else. When discussing this with DHHS, the supervisor said ” I have an office full of women in the same boat, wages so low they qualify but because they work for the state, they can not receive benefits”

    More then half of my annual wage went to healthcare! so when you look up and see that a state worker makes 29,000, keep in mind that basic healthcare (not dental, not eyecare, not life insurance, not retirement) is $5,000 per  year.

    Recently changing to a county employee, I now pay less then half for better benefits. Why, because it’s not Blue Cross.  Anthem put the current governor in office. There is a reason. There is a reason why this state is financially drained, and its not because of the employees.

  • PaulNotBunyan

    That’s exactly my point. Only a few follow-up questions were needed to finish the story. You would expect the editor to kick it back for that.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G4KA6KCOLTJYSH2DM2VQHCOKYI Anonymous

    Wouldn’t it take changing the state law? That the inspections are required to be completed by an authorized state inspector?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G4KA6KCOLTJYSH2DM2VQHCOKYI Anonymous

    yeah, lets create jobs for Mainers, but first let me hire my daughter from Florida and pay her how much?? and her job experience is wait staff…. yeah, things are going to get better. He is a business man, and his first thought is “how can I make my bank account larger?”

  • Anonymous

    Don’t worry.  The free market will protect the consumer.

  • Anonymous

    Appalling and indecent, to say the least.  Thievery is intolerable.

  • http://www.Verizonsucksass.com Johnny Test

    I usually keep three 5 gallon gas containers filled. I can tell you that I have never been able to match the 5 gallon mark on the can to the pump. They are all thieves.

  • Tyke

    Most road crews these days are private contractors, not DOT employees and the DHHS workers in those videos refused to give any benefits to the frauds doing the taping.

  • Anonymous

    The state is responsible for accurate weights and measures. They have failed to protect consumers. Since the state has benefited by the failure and the consumers have been cheated, the state’s conflict of interest should at the very least be acknowledged and a list of  dishonest retailers published so the consumers can protect their own interests.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G4KA6KCOLTJYSH2DM2VQHCOKYI Anonymous

    People will always complain.  There is too much state government, until they need something, then its the workers are too lazy.
    It’s the “me, me, me” whiners. I want, I need, I demand.  
    Well, here is a thought, why don’t get up off the couch, power down your laptop, and step into a state employee’s shoes. Or any government worker’s shoes.
    Why don’t you see the court employees that come in early or stay late and don’t put that time on the books because they can’t but know the job needs to be done?
    Why don’t you walk in the shoes of the EMT or FF?  Most towns are not full time. So spend sometime in their shoes.
    How about a DHHS worker, who has to decide because of financial resources of the dept, a child isn’t being abused “enough” to be removed, knowing full well that this child is going to receive the beating of a lifetime because someone reported bruises.
    Do you understand that sex offenders love the state of Maine, because there isn’t enough probation officer to supervise them? Or officers to track down those that move to Maine without registering?

    You want smaller government, great. But you are creating a beast that you are not going to be able to handle when it is unleashed!

  • PaulNotBunyan

    It’s probably supposed to be $23.00 which would mean 2.3 cents a gallon. At $3.50 a gallon it works out to almost two thirds of a percent overcharge (.00657). I know it’s worse than that at some pumps. My plastic gasoline and kerosene cans have a fill line. The line seems to be accurate since I started filling them at a different station. I checked both stations by stopping at the correct total price since gallons are only shown to the nearest tenth. Five gallons at the station I used previously is at least a half inch below the can’s fill line.

  • Anonymous

    John Baldacci seemed to allow this problem to go on and on, what other problem did he leave us?  Seems that the State has been in business with the Gas Stations along with the gambling companies and etc… He left a mess to be fixed. 

  • Anonymous

    John Baldacci left a lot of dirty trick behind to be cleaned up it seems, Gas/Gambling?etc….

  • Anonymous

    Which stations?

  • Anonymous

    It would’ve been nice to know what the actual tolerance is instead of a relational description… I calculated based on gas at $3.50 per gallon and the information above that the acceptable tolerance is +/- 9%? That would mean that the state finds it acceptable for every hundred dollars of gas pumped for you to be charged between $109 and $91, although they probably wouldn’t complain about the latter. Sometimes equipment can go out of calibration fairly quickly, typically most food and beverage manufacturers like to calibrate their equipment once every 8 months to a year. You really need to pay attention, especially when you have an opportunity like filling up a five gallon gas can or a measurable container that you aren’t being shorted. I’m assuming most of these guys that run these stations actually pay attention to the scales unless they see that they are losing money.

  • Anonymous

    And just why does the reporter not answer the obvious question: Which gasoline stations are shafting customers?

  • Anonymous

    Hmm Lepage administration is hard at work helping us Mainers thank you Lepage!!! and thanks for sealing the deals on the Millinocket mills too!! =) bring on the liberals COMMENTS on here now LOL

  • Anonymous

    Who cares what the unions think, all they are doing is killing this country.  

  • Anonymous

     As an inspector of scales (weights & measures) This should be a wake up call for you get out there and do your government paid job. Like most gov. employees I suspect I’d have to wonder how much $$$ you make off this.

  • Anonymous

    This is a wire story, not a Bangor Daily story.

  • Anonymous

    So when MDOT employees are standing next to MDOT trucks doing nothing instead of patching potholes, mowing lawns, sweeping sides of roads they work for private contractors wrong.   Just as DHHS employees trying to teach people to create welfare fraud which is why LePage needs to start firing all of these bums as well.  We need private contractors and businesses to take over anything the state does because.   As it has been proven by Liberals the last 36 years Augusta doesn’t do anything right.

  • Anonymous

    I  find it very interesting that not only did the BDN not post the names of the offenders, there is nothing to indicate that they even inquired. If the sites had been even warned, then its public information. So the BDN leaves me no choice but to speculate as to why they are not printing the names; either they have some sort of business relationship with the offenders, or they are afraid of retaliation from the offenders if they print the names. At any rate, its poor journalisim to not even broach most relevent and obvious question.

  • Anonymous

    Ahhhh, the Maine Oil Dealers are still giving it to us in the end.

  • Anonymous

    I agree…That would be great.  Maybe MaineGasPrices.com could include a link to the list for each station mentioned too…

  • Anonymous

    I think they should be required to post a sign on each and every pump saying something along the lines of “On (date), this pump was deemed to be dispensing reduced amounts of fuel by the State of Maine Department of Weights and Measures.”

  • Anonymous

    I too would love to have the list posted of the stations mentioned in the story.  As a local mom/pop convenience/gas station owner, we take GREAT pride in providing our customers with good service, product…and HONESTY.  It is required that weights and measures comes out to our store annually during our tank inspection for calibration.  The method for calibrating the pumps is not as simple as filling a five gallon jug with gas…it is VERY thorough.  The fact that other businesses are not fixing their pumps when/if they are aware of these issues is awful…for the consumer and for other stations.  They should be fined and then forced to close until the issues have been fixed.  If nothing else, this article has put a bad taste in all consumers mouths for gas stations across the state.  Please realize, there ARE honest and decent small businesses running across the state and we value and depend upon your business.  If complaints are received at our store, they are investigated and addressed immediately…whether it be food service, c-store or gas pump related.
    Jamie Clark
    Levant Corner Store in Levant, Maine

  • Anonymous

    Wouldn’t it take changing the state law? That the inspections are required to be completed by an authorized state inspector?     
    ************************************************************
    I would think so.  However, I did not know that there are 29 ‘private’ inspectors that towns and cities hire.  I would hope these 29 private inspectors are certified or authorized by the state.

  • Anonymous

    $16 muffins…

  • Downeasta

    The list should be made public.  If a dealer is willing to break the law, then that should be made public.  Not kept in some private room only privy to those that work there.

  • Anonymous

    Wage freeze means no raises, still getting paid, but not getting any raises. When people leave their jobs, they sit vacant for months even years, right now. That is what I meant.

  • Anonymous

    A quick background on calibration and how pumps measure gas (from http://auto.howstuffworks.com/gas-pump3.htm) …

    As a driver, your primary objective at the pump is to get your tank filled so that you can get your car back on the road. The goal of the service station owner and the company that supplies the gas,
    however, is to know just how much gas you’ve pumped so they can
    properly charge you for it. That’s where the flow meter comes in.
    As the gasoline travels upward into the dispenser, it passes through a flow control valve
    that regulates the gasoline’s flow speed. It does this via a plastic
    diaphragm that gets squeezed more and more tightly into the pipe as the
    flow of gas increases, always leaving just enough room for the proper
    amount of gasoline to get through. If you’ve set a predetermined amount
    of gas to be pumped, the flow of gas will slow down as you approach the
    limit.
    This pipe also contains the flow meter, which is a cast iron or aluminum
    chamber containing a series of gears or a simple rotor that ticks off
    units of gas as they pass through. Information about the gas flow is
    passed on to a computer located in the dispenser, which displays the
    metered amount of gas in tenths of a gallon. As the temperature of the
    gas changes — on particularly hot and cold days, for instance — the
    density of the gas may change, causing an error in the amount of fluid
    measured by the flow meter. The computer compensates this error by
    taking the gas temperature into account as it records the flow and
    adjusts the price accordingly.
    Wear and tear on the meter may
    degrade its accuracy over time, which is why periodic inspections are
    necessary. Typically, inspectors will use a container of a certain
    volume, pump gas into it and compare the amount in the container with
    the amount metered on the dispenser. If the amounts don’t match, the
    flow meter will need to be recalibrated and possibly refurbished or
    replaced. Although regulations for pump calibration come from the
    National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST), the actual
    inspections are performed locally, usually by a state’s Department of
    Weights and Measures.
     

  • Anonymous

    So you are telling me a large authoritarian government is all that stands between me and anarchy?

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, you of all people understand what I mean!! I am a mother of 2, last year before taxes, as a state employee, I made $22,000. After taxes, insurance, union dues, etc, etc, I made far less thousands less. I am at the point that I’d make out better working anywhere else, it barely makes sense for me to go to work, and i can barely have enough money to put gas in the car to get there, let alone buy food and pay bills. I am definately sick of people thinking, like you said, “riding the gravy train” as a state employee, I am doing 2+ peoples work, along with my own for far less, thousands less than the federal poverty limit. And yes the reason this state is in financial hardship is NOT because of the state employees!! Maybe if they filled some of the empty position, there would be less welfare fraud, less gas stations screwing us, and so on…because the people who are suppose to be monitoring this would be, instead we get screwed at the gas pumps, and no one cares, we don’t have enough money to feed ourselves and no one cares.

  • Anonymous

    Soooooo, when the government doesn’t spend money employing a staff of weights and measures police, consumers get screwed, right?

  • Anonymous

    almost always the cheapest

  • Anonymous

    Liberals have been in charge for the last 36 years?  Are you sure of that?

  • Anonymous

    If I were a minor,  i’d like a copy of that list!

  • Anonymous

    I disagree with a simple posted sign on the pump. I say, shut em down for at least a month and publish the reason in the local papers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MWFPOA5XX4TUQDWSFMPMIAGTWY Carole

    Jamie,

    Thank you for your posting. In reading them I have gained knowledge and a better understand for local business owners. I wish I lived in your area I would become a customer of yours. I do my part to support local business that are here in Southern Maine, I live in Biddeford.

    One thing I wish I could impress on some of the small business is that those of us who live in Maine year round are important.  I do use some of the big stores and go to the chain restaurant’s because I am not valued by the small local business. Yes the tourists and the monies they bring into are needed. However as a year round consumer I should be valued as well.

  • Anonymous

    Modern day tar and feathering 8)

  • Anonymous

    I feel your pain.  Welcome to the world of work – those of us in the private sector have been feeling it for years.  Double digit health insurance increases, while benefits grower thinner and thinner.  No raise or COLA in years.  It’s just taken the public sector folks a bit longer to catch up.  Everyone I know, who is currently employed, is doing what used to be two jobs, or more.

  • Anonymous

    The “New” Administration doesn’t care much for Maine…….They obviously care more for New York, Massachusetts, and Canada…….

  • Anonymous

    It doesn’t matter if the numbers are real…….you just have to say them enough…..

  • Anonymous

    I do believe in hitting them in their pocketbook, and in public shaming as well!!!  I think both are great ideas!

  • Anonymous

    I also know of one retailer in Central Maine that charges a .15 cent deposit on the disposable plastic wine boxes.  That is a nice bonus at the end of the year. The consumer never gets that .15 cents back and no one is the wiser.

    A nickel here, a nickel there…

  • Anonymous

    ” for every 1,000 gallons of fuel sold consumers were losing about $2,300″  You mean people are really paying $6 a gallon and not realizing it? The pump says you put 25 gallons in a 15 gallon tank, and that’s not a wee bit odd?

    “they are using a proprietary database system that greatly limits the ability to analyze the data collected by inspectors” So get a Comp Sci major from any local college to teach the inspectors how to use Excel or Access.

    It’s hard to know who’s dumber, the overcharged motorists or the inspectors.

  • Anonymous

    Really what happened?

  • http://twitter.com/richb313 richb313

    I am wondering if the Govt. mandated ethanol requirements might be causing the flow sensor to misread after time. I do not know but since such a large portion of stations checed are found to be out of tolerance it suggests a systemic error rather than malfeasance.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    You should report them to the state revenue service. The store is not supposed to be charging the 15 cent deposit for that item, and it’s likely they know it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    You could report the stations in question to the state, and find out why the stickers for inspection aren’t being updated.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KEXDNVTUU7PP6DLKLTQRHH2LDE TIMOTHY

    Sounds good to me. I have just one question though. How do you propose we pay for the added labor necessary since virtually nobody favors paying more in taxes?

    Just wondering.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KEXDNVTUU7PP6DLKLTQRHH2LDE TIMOTHY

    Critical thinking: how does it work?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OEFDEYGJYWX3MMI4S2QHDC5DXA Thistle

    To all your detractors here, I would like to see them stop the pump at EXACTLY two gallons or whatever measure they choose.

    By knowing the weight of gasoline, you can pump any volume and then check the weight against however much the machine says it pumped.

    Maine’s education establishment obviously has a long ways to go.

  • Anonymous

    These guys don’t get the fact that you could more accurately measure the amount of gas dispensed using weight.

  • Anonymous

    I demand to know who is doing this. Those pumps have stickers on them saying they’ve been inspected and meet standards. Shorting people on the amount of gas they receive for their money is a felony. Tell us who they are. I went to a gas station and the pump charged me for more gas than my tank will hold by 50%. I went into the store and demanded my money back (I used a credit card at the pump). They asked me how much gas I received and I told them to the best of my ability. They did refund the overage.

  • poormaniac

    I’ll bet that one pumped up your ego !

  • TeaParty_aka_AmericanTaliban

    This is an issue that every Mainer should be able to agree on.  That means it would be pretty easy for citizens to do something about this.  Organize.  All it would take would be a handful of people in each area of the state to do the gas can test.  A list could be compiled and posted and maintained online for all to see.  

  • TeaParty_aka_AmericanTaliban

    Not “metric”, just the gas station owner saying, “me trick” you into paying for more gas than you got!

  • Anonymous

    DR in the magic city got fined.

  • Anonymous

    i went to one gas station and before i even pressed the lever the amount for has registered 50 cents,, and i hope they nail these stations

  • Anonymous

    1/10th of this story does not add up.

  • Anonymous

    I was under the impression that stations were required to report their inventory every day along with the number of gallons received from the distributor and the number metered out in sales. If there was a discrepency of more than a hundred gallons then this would raise a flag. Is there someone asleep at the wheel?

  • Anonymous

    LMFAO, you can’t shame corporations who have no sense of shame.

  • Tyke

    Wow, imagine that. There are consequences to cutting government staffing and funding for operations!

  • Tyke

    Both liquids and solids expand or shrink with changes in temperature so be sure to look up all of the complex formulas for that and use them too!

    http://www.nh.gov/agric/news/documents/weights-fuel-temperature.pdf

  • Tyke

    You do realize that you are recommending taking money from the fund used to repair roads and bridges and that it is pretty much universally understood (by liberals, conservatives and folks in between) that there is already not enough money to do that adequately, right?

  • Tyke

    Huh? How on earth do you conclude that the state has benefited? They have had their budgets and staffing cut so they can’t keep up with the workload. here is the “benefit”?

  • Tyke

    It was written by Mal Leary. He’s local.

  • Anonymous

    BOHICA!  (Bend over here it comes again!)

  • Tyke

    That myth has been debunked. The $16 included a whole lot of things but someone shortened the line on the invoice and used “muffins” as a note.

  • Tyke

    Yeah – damn that Obama sneaking into Maine and adjusting gasoline pumps all over the state and FORCING innocent private business owners to rip us off! How dare he!

  • Tyke

    If he reacts to this by beefing up inspectors and allocating $$ to fix the computer problem I will be more than happy to thank him and point out how much better he’s done than his predecessor.

    He hasn’t had time to do anything yet and he has a history of siding with business over anyone else – we’ll see.

  • Tyke

    Why would you accuse the worker who has been given inadequate tools by management of being “dumb”?

  • Tyke

    Who do you think they report inventory to? I doubt that they report it to anyone but their own management and if the numbers say they are making more profit they are probably patted on the back and told “good job”!

  • Anonymous

    As if we don’t pay enough at the pump already, the big boys try to screw some more out of us.  What ever happened to fast, friendly honest service.  Guess that went by the wayside when the locally owned service stations were shut out by the big guys.

  • Anonymous

    Leary is from Capitol News Service, not the Bangor Daily News.

  • Anonymous

    Rank-and-file state workers do get a bad rap. It’s the six-figure-earning, pencil-pushing bureaucrats in Augusta who pose the real problem, not to mention all the school superintendents and assistant superintendents all over the state. The Maine university system is also completely bloated with hack jobs and other waste. Presidents Hutchins and Kennedy didn’t just “retire.” I’ll bet they’re drawing hefty pension benefits and also a salary as “lecturers” or whatever at the same time. What a scam.

  • Anonymous

    Hasn’t the state collected taxes on goods not sold?

  • Anonymous

    Get ready for people saying it is Governor LePages fault because he supports businesses.  This is just BDN trying to stir up problems for our great governor.

  • Anonymous

    How is $5000 half of $29000? 

  • Anonymous

    I find the same problem with oil delivery and propane gas delivery. I would advise putting a meter on your oil drum and buying your own gas tanks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.bonanno666 John Bonanno

    This story is disappointing. A real reporter would name names, not just say “several well known retailers.” This is unfair to the public and honest vendors who are now suspected as being unscrupulous.

  • Anonymous

    Often wondered how I could put 1.3 gallons of gas in a gallon jug.

  • cfd130

    Make them have a license to sell gas- and if they break the law TAKE IT AWAY for a long time- that should stop the theft

  • Anonymous

    This article states, “But not when a pump operates up to seven times outside the allowable
    error tolerance. Prince said in that case his inspector figured for
    every 1,000 gallons of fuel sold consumers were losing about $2,300.”  Is that really possible?  That breaks down to losing $2.30 per gallon!  I somehow doubt that the error is that great.  I think any customer would notice being cheated at that rate.

  • atruebluedowneaster

    Just one more piece of evidence to show how corrupt our society has become…. 

  • Anonymous

    Who are the sellers?  Where are the pumps located?  If you publish a list of violators, people will avoid them and that will give sellers a massive incentive to be honest at the pump.  You don’t need more inspectors to do that, just a clerk to tabulate inspection reports and send them to newspapers, tv stations, and publish them on the web.

  • Anonymous

    It’s sold by volume so . . . .

  • Anonymous

    I think the names and areas of these gas stations should be disclosed.. Let us decide if we go there again, NOT…

  • Anonymous

    Next thing you know it will be Obama’s fault because he’s a “socialist” . . .  

  • Anonymous

    I have also noticed that when the price of gas goes up, the price at the pumps goes up immediately even though that gas in the ground was purchased at the lower price  when delivered. But, when the price of gas goes down, the price at the pump does not go down until the next delivery.  Inspectors should compare delivery dates with date of price change.

  • Anonymous

    So, what’s he doing about it?

  • http://twitter.com/NorthernRants Bill Buck

    And people complained about Halliburton taking advantage of the oil industry. 

  • Anonymous

    Here is anouther example of poor reporting.  Tell me someone out there is cheating but don’t tell me who.  There is a right to know law in this state and the reporter when preparing his or her article should have requested this information.  If the list is published it won’t take the offenders long to fix the problem as people will not be shopping there.  Also the state needs to fund the equipment and personnel to properly police these weights and measures laws.  We don’t issue weapons to law enforcement without bullets do we.  This is where we go astray and say we don’t have the funding to support this when that is exactly what we should be doing.

  • Anonymous

    I agree 150% this article should have contained the names of the businesses cheating people out of thier hard earened money.  That is how you keep them honest, if they are going to lose a ton of business by having thier name is the BND or the PPH then they will make certain the pumps are correct 100% of the time.

  • Anonymous

    I found that when you pump your gas the first 8 to 20 cents  you get no gas.  I told them about this at all the stations in town and they said that people shake the hose to get all the gas out before me?? It is bad enough that the oil companies are getting so so so rich of us that they have to do this sort of thing to us. Irving and the others need to remember where they came from.

  • Anonymous

    Where are all of the “we don’t need no regulations” people on this? 

  • Anonymous

    Before you draw and quarter the reporter Mal Leary or the BDN, consider the possibility that the Dept. of Agruculture refused to disclose the offenders to Mr. Leary. If that is the case, Mr. Leary could have at least added a line indicating so, then sought the info through the FOIA.

    I am curious, though, about what the tolerances are. That must be a matter of public statute or something.

    There is a sticker prominently displayed on gas pumps indicating the date of the last inspection. It should be within the last year. Something for us all to look for more carefully — not that it is a guarantee the metering is accurate, but it’s something.

    I’ve been lucky in that I’ve never experienced a meter reading more than my tank capacity. Even when I rolled into the station on fumes one time, it was still a good gallon and a half below capacity.

  • Anonymous

    90% of fire departments in the state are volunteer. I wonder what union  covers them. If 11% of American workers belong to Unions, what on earth makes you think they are “killing the country”? Conservatives are going to have to give up that delusion.

  • Anonymous

    It’s growing more apparent, even to LePage-ites, that some state agencies can’t do a proper job because of understaffing. 

    The top-to-bottom Department of Marine Resources review by a blue ribbon panel set up by Commissioner (I can’t stand LePage so I’m quitting) Olsen calls for 10 new Marine Patrol Officers.  As far as I can figure, that’s about a 50% staffing increase.

  • Anonymous

    How about a very hefty fine for the second infraction.  We could pay for the inspectors and a bridge or 2.  Get the record of gallons sold by the station since the last inspection, multiply it by the amount of the deception, then multiply that by 10. In a society where we spend so much time and money tracking down pot smokers, I thing maybe if police monitored this sort of fraud, that rips off everyone who buys gas, we might catch some real criminals.

  • Anonymous

    I am sure that the answer to that question will be we don’t have the resources to publish a list. That seems to be the excuse for everything that the State is supposed to do but doesn’t. Last week it was “we don’t have the resources to inspect dams”. This week “we don’t have resources to properly inspect gas pumps”. When it comes to protecting the lives or pocketbooks of Maine Citizens we never seem to have the resources. But we didn’t have any problem what so ever giving a $100 million tax cut to Maine’s wealthiest Citizens. Hey I have an idea. How about we can a bunch of people with titles like Assistant Chief of Staff, Communication Director , spokesperson (just about every State Agency has one or two) and spend the resources on hiring people called inspectors. I bet we could even get by with a few less Assistant Commissions as well.

  • Anonymous

    Ah, isn’t fraud a crime?  Why aren’t we seeing pictures of gas station managers being led to jail in handcuffs?  I’ve got to think that if I cheated someone I’d be in jail.

    This is the perfect program that could be completely self supporting.  $1,000 fine for the first offence.  $10,000 for each subsequent offence.  After first offence you pay for a random monthly inspection for a year.  Poof, problem gone. 

    Gotta be some money passing to the politicians here.

  • Anonymous

    Getting them to publish a list will never happen.  Remember this State is open for business, heck with the consumer.  Let go after unemployment fraud and MaineCare fraud but we must keep Maine open for Business.  Elections have consequences remember.

  • Anonymous

    I was wondering why when you start pumping the gas, it does not start with 1 cent.  It always starts with 7 or more cents

  • Anonymous

    $3.50 a gallon yet oil is hovering at $80 a barrel, and they still feel the need to put their thumbs on the scale??? Revoke their ability to sell gas for a year and see how much the control of their pumps improves.

  • Anonymous

    In short, you are correct. Some people think all men are equal. The truth is that all men were created equal, that doesn’t mean they are today. The Unions had a ripple effect on the countrys work force that was so unrealistic to sustain that our good jobs had to go over sees to remain profitable. The unions did it to themselves by being greedy, victims of their own pitty and eventually very lazy. They have the vision of an ant. If they looked long term maybe we would still be the largest manufacturer of tanigible products in the world. We can get it back, transperancy has set in and everyone knows these unions are nothing more than collective extortion. I hope they put some cash  away. They will need it

  • Anonymous

    If there is legal red-tape against such a list, how about a list of “honest” stations:

    “In recent gas pump measurements, the following stations were tested on such-and-such-a-date and PASSED:

    Joe’s Gas
    Carol’s Quick Stop
    etc.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Here is the hearing. What do you need for hardware to check this out? Ok here it is. Go out and do the job and punish people with fines large enough to eliminate intentional fraud, then pull their ability to sell gas.

  • Anonymous

    This is theft. If we are willing to lock up the girl from Newburg for stealing, Holden for stealing, the bank robber girl for stealing $375 and all the other petty thieves that DO TIME then these theives should be treated the same way and we should start a law suit against them for restitution. If this is happening in Maine you know it is a nationwide problem. Or, we can just lend Obama some of our money so he can bail us out with our money.

    We need names of the violators, BDN, you have freedom of information act rights and know how to attain that data. Please get it for us.

  • Anonymous

    it is the states responsibility to publish their results and keep those results public! 

  • Anonymous

    The sign says $3.39 the pump says $10.00 at 2.9 gallons. Walk inside grab the guy with the neck tie and drag them out to the punp.

  • Anonymous

    Classic case of action approved (sort of) but not funded.  And the Rs/Tea Partiers want to cut even further.  We don’t need further study, we need more funding better equipement, better databases, etc.

  • Anonymous

    What are the allowable errors?

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm, go to jail for a couple cents? ah, no. Plus, you see a lot of gas pump attendants wearing ties?

  • Anonymous

    The key is, a known quantity container.  How accurately do you think you can read any gas can?  Anyone who’s had a laboratory course can enlighten you.

  • Anonymous

    True.  But again, how accurtely can you read any container you might have?

  • Anonymous

    And volume depends on temperature.  That said, the witchhunt for lesser amnount of (expanded) gas pumped in the summertime is probably bigus since the stuff comes out of the ground tank at a fairly constant temperature, heat transfer is not that efficient especially at those flow rates.  Just feel the pump handle cool off as the gas flows.

  • Anonymous

    Still not accurate and way too variable.  The density of gasoline can vary a fair amount depending it’s composition.  The grades will differ, the amount of ethanol will differ, and the amount of water soaked up by the hygroscopic ethanol will differ.  I don’t know what methods are used to measure the volume, but hopefully better than J. Q. Publics allegedly 2 gallon (and not so safe after all) gas can.

  • Anonymous

    As elsewhere, the density/weight is too variable too be accurate enough.

  • Anonymous

    I think the state probably has taken a hit on the gas as well.  Just think of all the State vehicles (Police, DOT and so on) that have been filling up at these stations and been shorted!  So in that respect we are getting shorted more than once as tax payers!

  • Anonymous

    Very true, but I don’t need super accuracy for purchasing gasoline.  I understand that gas measuring units in the pumps can be off a bit, either way.  If my two gallon container fills up to it’s fill line (yes, my current, small can has just such a line) and the gas pump is saying something like 1.9 to 2.1 gallons, that’s fine by me.  That gives the station 5% or 12.8 ounces (out of 2 gallons) to play with.  In my experience over the years, filling up small containers for lawn mowers, snow blowers and such, my little 2 gallon container with its “2 gallon” line will easily match up to cup and a half or so tolerance (that’s 12 ounces.)

    More error than that, and I’ll be buying gas somewhere else – even if the error seems to be in my favor – for even if the error IS in my favor, it shows that the owners are so not on top of the calibration of their pumps that my next visit could easily go way against me.

  • Anonymous

    One wonders why the stations weren’t published with the article. If there were a way to stop this criminal activity…it would be the market. How could we answer the poll question?

  • Anonymous

    everything at fosters is higher than anywhere else–could never understand why people go there and pay more ???

  • Anonymous

    Have read a list of taxes paid for every gallon of gas pumped at a gas station. ME gets a lot of money just from gas going up…even if the owner of the gas station is stealing.  Takes a village to steal on this massive scale.

  • Anonymous

    Gasoline, like most petroleum products, expands somewhat more than water does as the temperature increases.  I once knew somebody in the oil heat business, and they had to under-fill their delivery trucks if they they knew that the trucks were going to sit around in the sun before starting delivery runs – otherwise, the oil expanded out the overflow and they’d have a mess to clean up in the parking lot.  Even vegetable oils, which are non-petroleum based, will expand quite a bit more than water will, something I learned back in my restaurant manager days from filling large Fryolators.  (One would underfill them by a little bit when the oil was cool, and as the oil heated up, it came up to the FULL line – something that *wouldn’t* happen when I filled the machine full of water for a “boiling out” cleaning session, though I suppose that might also be since the oil can heat up much more than the water can (the water being limited to its boiling point.))

    Anyhow, it’s to the customer’s advantage that gasoline is kept in cool storage as it can only expand as it heats up after being placed in the cars’ gas tanks.  Of course this doesn’t happen in the winter, especially in Northern Maine, but after 12 months, it all works out. 

    I think the kind of calibration errors that inspectors are finding are well in excess of the minor expansion, measuring inaccuracies you seem to be focusing on in these reader comments.

  • Anonymous

    They do …taxes have to be paid for the recovery of underwater logs recovered before they are sold.

  • Anonymous

    ME gets a lot of tax money for each gallon of gas sold. It would be interesting to know if state vehicles are told where to buy their gas.

  • Anonymous

    AGAIN Gopher, if my can fills up reasonably close to it’s fill line, that’s good enough for me.

    Your exercises in stem-twisting here show you need to get out of your laboratory more.

  • Anonymous

    Our capatilistic society covers a lot of crime.

  • Anonymous

    I would like to know why its 40 cents cheaper everywhere else except Aroostook County!

  • Anonymous

    well i would say that if people up there are putting 20 gals in 17 gal tanks there is a big profit being made.

  • Anonymous

    Almost every time I pump gas into my car I notice the meter turning before I hear gas coming out of the other end. I suspect the hoses are draining back into the pumps and I am paying for the hose to fill up before any gas goes into my vehicle. The only way to overcome this is to start fueling immediately after someone else has finished with the pump – before the gas in the hose drains beck into the pump.

  • http://www.movies-suck.com Wastrel Way

    This is not the first time that a state agency has claimed to be ‘unable’ to do something in order to get more money.  If the database can’t be searched for ‘parent companies’ or ‘violations’ then those items are not entered in the database.  They need to start entering that info in the database and do their jobs.

  • http://bangordailynews.com William P. Davis – BDN

    Unfortunately we don’t have the list — we asked the state for it, but had no luck.

  • Anonymous

    I believe they have a contract with a preferred provider, but if that “provider” does not have a station near where the vehicle needs to fill up they can buy it anywhere, and only necessary vehicles are allowed to purchase gas on weekends. The state does not pay tax on the gas for their vehicles.

  • Anonymous

    No surprise here. News flash! Gas pumps are not pumping the correct amount of gas! Wow! When did that start? I had to shop aorund in my town to find a station woh’s pumps are close. It’s easy to do. go to a station with a five gallon can. fill it to the fill line and look at the pump. you would be amzed at the difference from station to staion. I’ve gotten a reading of 4.7 gallons to to 6.4. All filling the can to the same level. Then you stick with the sation that is closest.

  • Anonymous

    Prince acknowledges the shortcomings of the system in use. He said the issue is one often faced in state government: lack of resources. The problem with the existing database system is it must be searched by entering the names of individual gas stations. It can’t be searched using criteria such as parent companies or violations.
     
    It amazes me that the state can’t afford a simple program that will easily give them the dtata they seek.  I have a database program that only cost me $30.00.    I use my program to list music.  I can search by song title, artist, date the song was released & even the highest charting position.  I also used to use it when working with Girl Scouts as my town’s cookie chairman.  I was able to search by troop, amount of cookies sold, type of cookie (7 different varieties), amount collected, amount sent to Council,  profit for troop, awards earned, amount per girl & various other data.  If a citizen can make a simple database program search out various bits of data like this, why can’t the state?
     
    There are various other database programs  just like it, some costing more &  many costing less.  It’s not like the state needs a database program that costs hundred of thousands of dollars to make this a reality.  This simple database can be configured to show which stations are overcharging, what violations have been made & what parent companies are involved.  If the state lacks the expertise to implement a program like this, I’m sure that the high schools or colleges have students that can even design a program for them. 

  • newportres

    “Prince said in that case his inspector figured for every 1,000 gallons of fuel sold consumers were losing about $2,300.”This gas station should be outed.  
    They were charging customers something like $5 a gallon depending on price of fuel at the time or almost double!  There is no way they did not know that was going on and for how long.

  • Anonymous

    Pssssst. Check the gas station in Frankfort. 

  • Anonymous

    i think once the pump is energized then the fuel is or should be right at the nozzle therefore the excuse that someone squeezed everydrop out of the hose is weak.

  • Anonymous

    I would like the state to print the names of those stations that were found to not be supplying the right amount of gas. Let the public know who they are.

  • Anonymous

    It would be helpful if the article gave consumers some pointers on how to determine if they are being shortchanged.

    Also, a little more information on how the pumps work and exactly what inspectors are looking at technically.

  • Anonymous

    I believe that the info is supposed to go to a government agency. Which is supposed to monitor for discrepecies to detect underground leaks.

  • Anonymous

    C-A-P-I-T-A-L-I-S-T-I-C

  • Anonymous

    ” I am curious, though, about what the tolerances are.”  So am I, and I’m also quite certain that it’s written into statute somewhere.  I guess Leary didn’t want to get into that much detail in his article.

  • Anonymous

    Shame won’t do it but self interest will.

  • Anonymous

    Keep pushing.
     What would Perry White have done with the help of Lois, Jimmy and Clark. And what would Superman have done if he felt the people of Metropolis were being robbed by an international ring of fuel thieves?
     The biggest problem is that since the appearance of the cell phone there are no more phonebooths where you can change into Superman? You’ll just have to find a locker room or closet; you can do it, Bill! 
     

  • Anonymous

    FOI?

  • Anonymous

    So, here’s an idea. The public will do random measures with no notice to the gas station. Take a 5 gallon can to your favorite gas station, fill it, and then post your results on a website with the date you did it. Who knows how to create a website with a database?  Or would Craig’s list work?  Enough already with whining about the corruption, let’s fix this ourselves using the most logical solution, public pressure.

  • Anonymous

    That would probably be the DEP that you’re referring to.  But government agencies don’t share data, and even if they shared with Agriculture’s sealer of weights and measures there would be no way to cross check on individual stations’ pump ‘honesty’ without knowing what their total gas sales for that grade of gas were on that day and the sale price per gallon.

  • Anonymous

    The gas is stored in an underground tank and pumped up, there shouldn’t be much variation in the temps. We need to teach more science in schools.

  • Anonymous

    All excuses we are not allowed to use when we don’t snap to their every command. I do not have the resources. Hah, that’s an understatement!!

  • Anonymous

    Your argument is weak…gasohol(the predecessor of E10) has been around for a long time, so I’m fairly certain that any ill effects on pump flow sensors would’ve been spotted long ago and the reasons for same corrected by the pump manufacturers.  You were left with the impression that a large percentage of stations’ pumps were out of tolerance after reading the article, but that’s not what the article said or even implied.  In fact, the article did not specify any percentages that were out of tolerance compared with the total number of pumps within Maine.

  • Anonymous

    Flagged for incivility but doubt it’ll be removed, that obnoxious name gets used all the time in these comments and is apparently deemed to be civil by the BDN.

  • Anonymous

    News flash, people in Aroostook  live in Maine and pay taxes. They also have a right to have the benefit of a state government that serves them, despite your elitist snobbery.

  • Anonymous

    Another case where the Gummint needs to reset priorities . . .

    Your tax dollars (not) at work.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah.  Public shame and shunning is a powerful commercial tool.

  • Anonymous

    Could you try again?

  • Anonymous

    Those figures are all supposed to be reported at the same time. The constant is the tanks in the ground, they are not adjustable.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCC3ABRLTIU3EFA26HUIDQZTSM Chris

    Most of these pumps he spoke about in the Bangor area were beyond the “fudge factor” by at least another 4-5%. The  specific range I do not know.  Amazing amount of $$$ in the “good old summer time”. Someone who thinks they are buying  15 gallons is lucky to get 14. Think about that multiplied by the cost of a gallon.  Do not expect the state to get too enthusiastic about enforcing standards…they get a tax % on every “phantom” gallon.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCC3ABRLTIU3EFA26HUIDQZTSM Chris

    You would be shocked… the state gets a  tax cut out of every “phantom” gallon…don’t hold your breath.

  • Anonymous

    DRIVE OFFS WILL BE PROSECUTED
    TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW

    RIP OFFS … NOT SO MUCH

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QCC3ABRLTIU3EFA26HUIDQZTSM Chris

    Absolutely…You pay for 15 gallons, you only get 14…the state gets the tax on what you pay for. Think about it. Then start thinking about the guages on the heating oil trucks…who checks them and what is their acceptable  error?

  • Anonymous

    Why not get the people at mainegasprices.com add a column for this data collection?

  • Anonymous

    This is just now coming to light? Must be a slow news day.

  • Anonymous

    i’ll do it. when i’m not busy maintaining the public safety building, answering fire alarms, extricating folks out of car wrecks, working cardiac codes, dumping d50 into diabetics who are about to die, splinting kids limbs after their friend runs them over, putting out the occasional fire BEFORE the whole house burns down, standing by for high- and middle school sports events, transporting sick people to dialysis or returning folks from the hospital to their homes, coaxing monkey dusters into the ambulance so they can be treated(and not kill me on the way),  when i’m not hanging banners or flags, mowing the lawn, showing pre-schoolers the inside of the fire trucks, attending ems training, practicing fire fighting skills, ems skills, high-angle skills, conducting fire pre-planning surveys at businesses. get my point? and i’ll do it for the same pay i’ve gotten since 2004 as i’ve had 0 raises. just don’t whine when the department has to increase our budget to pay for 50-60 thousand dollars worth of certified measuring equipment and the training required to conduct these tests. i’ll do it. in my “free” time…………..  

  • Anonymous

    i’ll do it when i am not busy as a volunteer fire fighter in my home town as well. i work both sides of the full time/volunteer fire service and for the most part, the only folks who whine about career firefighters are NOT even firefighters themselves. those that are volunteers and still whine about career firefighters, or are career ffs and look down on volunteers are both ignorant. just like any family, there’s always that drunk uncle.

  • Anonymous

    Since BDN transcribes for govt. and corporations, is it far fetched to think we Mainers will just have to guess about which gas stations rip us off ? Because a lot of money goes to the state in taxes for every gallon of gas that is sold. 

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t be putting taxes first.  a person making $22,000 last year filing head of household with two children under 17 received a check of $5,996 plus any withholding from the federal goverment when they filed their federal income tax in 2010. They paid $0 Maine income tax.

  • Anonymous

    The State of Maine is also one of the worst offenders.  Why does the State collect road tax on gasoline that is purchased for off-road use?  This tax is collected to fund highway upkeep. Non highway use of gasoline is tax exempt.  The Maine gas tax is .31 cents per gallon.  Just how many gallons each year go into boats, atvs, chain saws, lawn mowers, etc., etc., etc.  The “Augusta Bureaucrat” will tell you that if you save your gas purchase receipt, you can request a form from the State government to request a return of your tax paid on gas for non- road use.  Yeah…Right!   If you take your boat tank, or whatever to the gas station, you shouldn’t be charged a road tax in the first place.   And this state has the audacity to point fingers at cheaters!!!!

  • Anonymous

    And if you’re a landlord, you’ve not even there when the oil is delivered. You have to trust the company to be honest.

  • Anonymous

    our fuel tax should be paying for these inspectors to run around and test these pumps!!!

    Where’s that $0.54 going? (I think it’s around 54 cents per gallon). I know its not going to the roads, cause they are terrible. and this skim-coat on the roads to repair the surface does not deal with the underlying troubles..

    The road contruction itself in maine is horrible.. there’s no crown to any of thes roads.. the roads need to be convex so water, and debris or conducted to the sides of the roadway, into the ditches, and away from main traffic. instead our roads are paved flat… water collects, seeps into the road surface, and in winter is freezes, and thaws, and freezes and thaws causing the roadways to crack, and open up creating potholes the size of a Semi-Truck!

    I suggest that the Dept of agriculture get off it’s as and assign 1 inspector per county.. there’s 16 counties in maine… every 6 months start a random testing. I’m pretty damn sure I could even create a program in Visual Basic code that could randomly select towns to test that day. most towns don’t have many more than 10-20 pumps. the moajor cities such as bangor, portland, and augusta I understand have many more. also whats to say about these fuel trucks delivering our heating oil??

    I hate being cheated for what I’ve rightfully paid for, the government is there to serve the people, and saying that your 29 staff members aren’t enough is a joke.. your job is to protect the rights of the Maine people. If anything the gallon meteres should go over a gallon.. they should never drop below a gallon.

    I dunno about the rest of maine’s public, but I’d almost prefer the old 40′s style pump that had the glass bowl, where you saw the gas you were buying in the bowl, and could watch the metered fuel go into your tank.

  • Anonymous

    “We usually find that one pump may be over-delivering a little while
    another is under-delivering a little,” he said. “It often roughly
    balances out.”  Who exactly does it balance out for?  Obviously not the customer.

  • Anonymous

    I know where I work, we have our own fleet filling pumps on site. each vehicle has its own IRD tag that the pump reads so they can track fuel mileage, and consumption for each vehicle. mileage has to be input into the pump before you can fuel up. this was recently implemented in 08-09′. most state vehicles are filled at the “fleet” station, or they are filled by the user wherever they are, and the user is given a card recommending a gas station that the state gets a discount from… depends on who has the state contract for fuel oil..

  • Anonymous

    Consumers getting the shaft again.  Where is the list of these gas stations?

  • Anonymous

    Oh come on, they wouldn’t dare cheat us at the pump…….yeah, right. I am willing to bet it happens a lot more often than anyone realizes.

  • Anonymous

    Why not erect a sign at the gas station in question for say 30 days 1st offense, and 2 months for the second. Plus a fine to be set according to the degree of error.

  • Anonymous

    Lets have a committee study this problem, mainly to see if there are some stations who should not be reported, as they are owned by someone who has friends in the right places, also this takes time, and by then people will forget about it. 

  • Anonymous

    So the state wouldn’t be stolen from …just the rest of us…no wonder BDN didn’t list the gas stations that have been cheating us.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJ7QHAWSNLX6Q464TU7IFDN6FQ JohnR

     What do you mean your tank only holds 10 gallons and the pump says you pumped 12 you should be grateful that you got the extra 2 gallons into the tank. Let’s eliminate all these inspectors they are just getting in the way of “free enterprise”.
     I am sure Lepage will be looking into this………… if the MHPC and AFP think it is something he should look into……. otherwise naaaaaaaa!

  • Tyke

    If the temperature of the gas is not EXACTLY at the point that is in the standards you have to do so complicated math to figure out an equivalent volume. Just taking a container and dumping some gas in and pretending you have real data won’t work. You would have to go through proper training and certification to inspect and measure correctly.

  • Tyke

    Depends on what temperature is was when it was delivered and how long it’s been underground.

    The underground temp will be close to 50 deg year round but the ambient air temp could be anywhere fro -20 to + 100 depending on the time of year.

  • Anonymous

    post the list and lets see how much gas the people sell now….

  • Anonymous

    So, in the next few days we’ll be going to a random gas station in the Bangor area and filling a 5 gallon gas can.  Maybe we can expand on your article for you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Everett-Peavey/1554103156 Everett Peavey

    Any station following the environmental regulations REQUIRED by law would find the problem in 1 day, but usually go another day to see if it was a bad measurement of the tanks (if they were manually measured with the long ‘stick’ (called sticking the tanks) or a delivery variance from temperature. However after 3 days there would be proof a pump is under/over dispensing. The math on over-dispensing would make the station think the tank was leaking into the ground. The under-dispensing would appear that water was coming into the tank. THAT is a nightmare as ethanol blends with water and can be tougher to spot, but can be detected. After checking for leak or contamination and finding none then the pumps are the issue.  Almost every gas station figures there pumps are dispensing the correct amount because they do not want the black-eye for when the inspector comes around. Of the stations I’ve worked at, managed, or owned it was rare for the pumps to go much over the 1 year period without the inspector showing up. I live in central Maine.
    At the very least any stations with a notable variance can be cited for not tracking their gallonage.
    Look on the pumps, if Maine still continues the program, and see if the is an environmental award sticker. Those stations hit the high standards for documentation and quick action should any problem arise. 

  • http://twitter.com/dpend67 Debbie Pendleton

    Whatever happened to the Freedom of Information Act?

  • newportres

    You mean to say spun instead of debunked right?

  • newportres

    They need to look at the meters on these Oil Trucks now.  There is no way we are getting what we pay for in our oil tanks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000644835171 Joe Robicheau

    Why aren’t the stations identified where they are so far off. Why should we continue to bring our business to them if they are stealing our money?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000644835171 Joe Robicheau

    Hello!!! Taxes????

  • Anonymous

    I’m guessing that the Inspectors are collecting their sample by sending the gas through a “CALIBRATED” flowmeter that rechecks the volume rather than simply into a measured volumetric container.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with the writers requesting the names of these violators be published. To not do so would be an injustice to those whom continue to purchase fuel from these unnamed facilities. If others ‘suspected’ or ‘investigated’  for a suspected crime can be read in the news, why not these businesses? That would be fair and just. Who stops such reporting, and why? 

  • Anonymous

    A good way to check folks is to simply move the decibel point one digit. Say gas is 3.49.9 a gallon.When your pumping gas stop the pump at EXACTLY ten[10] gallons. The price your charged should be exactly 34.99 for those ten gallons.

  • Anonymous

    Oh dear….how could this ever happen in the PRIVATE sector…We all know only the government has fraud and abuse….

  • Anonymous

    A good way to check your purchase folks is to simply move the decimal point.Say the gas price is 3.49.9 a gallon, a common price stations use. While you are gassing up stop the pump at EXACTLY ten(10) gallons and move the first decimal point…the total charge should be $34.99 on the tank. If its more or less the pump is wrong.

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