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• Anonymous

  Grand Canyon at least has  something there to look at. According to Travel Channel last night they only get 6 million people a year. That land of Quimby’s has nothing of interest what so ever. Estimated number of people per year 10. Quimby and 9 of her Restore friends.

• Anonymous

  Donahue, a political activist who has spent most of her life in Washington DC and says she likes the southwest more than Maine, is trying to use scenic imagery to manipulate people’s emotions — as if Maine scenery excuses replacing our form of government with Federal control.  

  The ‘manipulate them with scenery’ gambit attempts to bypass all conceptual understanding of the impact on real people of unaccountable Federal control and the long record of abuse of people’s rights by National Park Service power in particular.  They want you to forget all that and gush over scenery, which is somehow supposed to translate into more Federal control.

  The park lobby always does this to try to manipulate the populace when they are trying to politically steamroll someone targeted for a Federal takeover.  They did this when the National Park System Plan in Washington was first promoted from Washington DC in 1988 to take over private property in Maine, and in every campaign since.  It is one of the tactics they use in politically self-serving government-run “studies” — like National Park Service New Area “feasibility studies” — which are exploited to promote a preconceived agenda in professionally run media campaigns of national scope.  But usually the photography and rhetoric are more polished than these amateurish paintings used as props in Donahue’s publicity campaign.

• Anonymous

  “Guerrilla art” seems to cover Donahue’s tactics for getting her way around here. It’s either “my way or I run you down”. Manipulate,yes she tries and when that doesn’t work she reverts to attack. It is clear to see why she is so devoted to Roxy. They are two peas in a pod who want to dictate to others how they should live and breathe. ewv and Lollipopaddict,you are both so right. Tactic after tactic, a national park is NOT going to be a “magic” pill for the area. No is a two letter word, what is it they fail to grasp about the meaning?

• Anonymous

  “Guerrilla art”, as the article called it, is not an excuse for Roxanne Quimby to impose Federal control in Maine.  Federal control and Quimby’s agenda to obliterate private property rights in principle is not a “gift” and Quimby has no right to impose that.  Nor are wilderness and a handful of second-rate political activist “artists” promoting themselves a substitute for a productive economy.  Everyone “buys things locally” — there is nothing special about “artists” and no reason to give these activists anything.  But there is a lot to object to in “guerrilla art” promoting a statist political agenda.

• Anonymous

  “Guerrilla art”, as the article called it, is not an excuse for Roxanne Quimby to impose Federal control in Maine.  Federal control and Quimby’s agenda to obliterate private property rights in principle is not a “gift” and Quimby has no right to impose that.  Nor are wilderness and a handful of second-rate political activist “artists” promoting themselves a substitute for a productive economy.  Everyone “buys things locally” — there is nothing special about “artists” and no reason to give these activists anything.  But there is a lot to object to in “guerrilla art” promoting a statist political agenda.

• Anonymous

  Personal attacks and hateful names like BanRoxy make it nearly impossible to hear anything that you are saying.  It just makes you a hater and someone to fear.

• Anonymous

  Personal attacks and hateful names like BanRoxy make it nearly impossible to hear anything that you are saying.  It just makes you a hater and someone to fear.

• Anonymous

  “Guerrilla art” is all about making statements, often political,,,,,, I guess that applies to both Marsha
  Donahue’s and Anita Mueller’s way they support Quimby Land….

• Anonymous

  “Guerrilla art” is all about making statements, often political,,,,,, I guess that applies to both Marsha
  Donahue’s and Anita Mueller’s way they support Quimby Land….

• Anonymous

  Most of us don’t pay these guys any mind, they are used to having to scream loud to be heard over an engine and if they had to be in the woods without a vehicle, they wouldn’t know what to do.  There is nothing malicious about Donahue’s intent but it certainly seems, reading the comments here, that there is plenty of malice from the other side.

• Anonymous

  Most of us don’t pay these guys any mind, they are used to having to scream loud to be heard over an engine and if they had to be in the woods without a vehicle, they wouldn’t know what to do.  There is nothing malicious about Donahue’s intent but it certainly seems, reading the comments here, that there is plenty of malice from the other side.

• Anonymous

  Most of us don’t pay these guys any mind, they are used to having to scream loud to be heard over an engine and if they had to be in the woods without a vehicle, they wouldn’t know what to do.  There is nothing malicious about Donahue’s intent but it certainly seems, reading the comments here, that there is plenty of malice from the other side.

• Anonymous

  Most of us don’t pay these guys any mind, they are used to having to scream loud to be heard over an engine and if they had to be in the woods without a vehicle, they wouldn’t know what to do.  There is nothing malicious about Donahue’s intent but it certainly seems, reading the comments here, that there is plenty of malice from the other side.

• Anonymous

  It’s my opinion that guerrilla tatics are being applied by the Millinocket Town council and the Finn & Feather Club  to instill fear and falsehoods to it’s townfolks. I don’t see anything political about artist painting the landscape of that area. You keep saying that their is nothing on Quimby’s property. So what are you afraid of? 

• Anonymous

  Quimby wants to turn land she owns privately over to the federal government for a national park. First of all, it’s her land. Secondly, that wouldn’t just be good for the region, it would be good for Maine tourism in general. That means jobs, increased sales, more tourists and more money.
  The few hunters and snow machine types that want to be able to use Quimby’s land should be so kind as to let the Roxanne and all of her friends on their private property.
  These artists are doing something very cool and in support of one of America’s greatest assets – our National Parks.

• Anonymous

  The only thing most are afraid of is a millionaire’s ability to buy a sitting president.

  The telling moment came when Salazar said he was not invited,,,, what a lie..! Salazar’s invitation slip was followed by “he was going to decide” about the feasibility. If Salazar’s medicine-show wasn’t lame enough, a number of people opposed to Quimby Land were onset by select chamber minion,,,,, then they actually tried to play the victim when the council voted to pass a resolve against it.

  Quimby’s spin of saving a dying mill town is coming undone; the mills “are” back..!

  And no, they can’t co-exist

  .

• Anonymous

  Has Acadia been a bad thing for Maine?  How overdeveloped would that land be had it not been protected? I believe in being environmentally responsible before the rivers are polluted and the land changed by development. The unspoiled beauty of the East Branch is a wonderful thing yet it seems to be unappreciated locally.  That is why I came to paint and see what all the fuss was about.  The threat of a federal takeover seems like a ploy to win support for those against  the proposed park. Is it more important for some to hunt and snowmobile and log in this particular place than it is to save it, as it is for future generations and all the people of the United States?

• Anonymous

  There is no industrial future for Maine’s forests. Their ultimate value resides in preserving wildness against the day when it is destroyed everywhere else. Whether it’s a national park, a national monument, a state park, or conservation land, it’s a good idea. Or maybe you’d rather use our taxes to subsidize paper company dumps so rich out of staters can make cheap toilet paper. Hooray to Roxanne Quimby for standing up to the dimbulbs and dum-dums who think the unorganized territories should be turned into New Jersy with hunting and ATVs.   And hooray to Marsha Donahue for celebrating the beauty that the beasties boys would just as soon destroy.

• Anonymous

  Wait till she takes the bridge out lol, surprised she has not already. Those pictures you can find very similiar throughout the region

• Anonymous

  Nothing in those pictures that you can not find other places.  And I am sure she will remove the bridge at a opportune moment since it does not fit into the natural scheme of things.

• kkmousse

  So if the Whole State of Maine was turned into a National Park it would be good for the people that live away (not the people of Maine…there would be none)  There is more going on here the just this proposed National Park.  How many times have you been to visit the Allagash since it became a “Restore” project. 
  All these proposals are slowing making Maine the pristine land envisioned in the UNs Adgenda 21 program.  Check it out.

• Anonymous

  You my friend ought to get up off your couch.

• Anonymous

  The ones that lie are the six Millinocket councilors that voted for the resolve. It’s sad that Millinocket has a council that doesn’t care about it’s own town. Yes both can co exist and the economy of Millinocket and the other towns will benefit from it. 

• Anonymous

  Let me guess, you got the full indoctrination treatment from Quimby.

  You are right on one point; there are six people that are lying to the public:
  *Roxanne Quimby
  *Mark Leathers
  *Marsha Donahue
  *Anita Mueller
  *Jym St Pierre
  *Matt Polstein

  And the boycott is gaining momentum….. :-P

   

  .

• Anonymous

  Caren, you expressed it beautifully. All of us who watched Ken Burns’ series on the history of the National Parks remember that the innuendo, negativity and attacks on those who were promoting the establishment of the first parks were practically word for word what we are hearing today. The National Park  System is one of the “jewels” of the American landscape, and I believe twenty years from now we will all be enjoying Maine’s second National Park.
   
  Evelyn Dunphy, West Bath
   

• Anonymous

  The reasons for rejecting the failed National Park Service agenda across the state over the last quarter of a century are well known.  People legitimately despise Quimby for what she is and what she is doing as a big-money Washington insider eco-socialist pushing a destructive agenda to impose on Maine her misanthropic wilderness and Federal control over millions of acres of private property on behalf of her own “legacy”.

• Anonymous

  The Burns National Park video is not an objective documentary.  It was produced by long-time national political insider Dayton Duncan to promote the National Park Service.  Duncan conceived and began the phony “documentary” when he was appointed by Clinton to the government-created National Park Foundation, which exists to promote the National Park Service. 

  As tedious and repetitive as the Burns promotion is, it was intended to emotionally manipulate people with poetic imagery and scenery, heaping accolades on the National Park Service and its lobby while ignoring the corruption and damage they have done for almost a century across the country.  They don’t want their audience to know why people oppose National Park Service control, which the Big Park lobby tries to hide behind the scenic props.

  Anyone who wants to see what National Park Service power does to people and the mentality behind it, watch the earlier PBS Frontlines documentary For the Good of All http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm.  The apologists for the National Park Service who continue to rhapsodize about Federal parks while ignoring their trampling of people’s civil rights are morally reprehensible.

• Anonymous

  The Burns National Park video is not an objective documentary.  It was produced by long-time national political insider Dayton Duncan to promote the National Park Service.  Duncan conceived and began the phony “documentary” when he was appointed by Clinton to the government-created National Park Foundation, which exists to promote the National Park Service. 

  As tedious and repetitive as the Burns promotion is, it was intended to emotionally manipulate people with poetic imagery and scenery, heaping accolades on the National Park Service and its lobby while ignoring the corruption and damage they have done for almost a century across the country.  They don’t want their audience to know why people oppose National Park Service control, which the Big Park lobby tries to hide behind the scenic props.

  Anyone who wants to see what National Park Service power does to people and the mentality behind it, watch the earlier PBS Frontlines documentary For the Good of All http://www.landrights.org/VideoGoodOfAll.htm.  The apologists for the National Park Service who continue to rhapsodize about Federal parks while ignoring their trampling of people’s civil rights are morally reprehensible.

• Anonymous

  Logging is a major part of the Maine economy despite the attempts for decades by organized viro pressure group activists to destroy it.  Existing recreation of the kind that the wilderness fanatics want to prohibit is also dependent on the current system of industrial forests and is important to the economy.  Tourism, especially that restricted to wilderness hiking, is no substitute for a productive economy.  The activists who want there to be no industrial future in the Maine forests are the Anti-Industrial Revolution out to destroy the economy and private property.  They don’t want an economy; they want the land for themselves in a form of government imposed feudalism for their own benefit.

• Anonymous

  Logging is a major part of the Maine economy despite the attempts for decades by organized viro pressure group activists to destroy it.  Existing recreation of the kind that the wilderness fanatics want to prohibit is also dependent on the current system of industrial forests and is important to the economy.  Tourism, especially that restricted to wilderness hiking, is no substitute for a productive economy.  The activists who want there to be no industrial future in the Maine forests are the Anti-Industrial Revolution out to destroy the economy and private property.  They don’t want an economy; they want the land for themselves in a form of government imposed feudalism for their own benefit.

• Anonymous

  Logging is a major part of the Maine economy despite the attempts for decades by organized viro pressure group activists to destroy it.  Existing recreation of the kind that the wilderness fanatics want to prohibit is also dependent on the current system of industrial forests and is important to the economy.  Tourism, especially that restricted to wilderness hiking, is no substitute for a productive economy.  The activists who want there to be no industrial future in the Maine forests are the Anti-Industrial Revolution out to destroy the economy and private property.  They don’t want an economy; they want the land for themselves in a form of government imposed feudalism for their own benefit.

• Anonymous

  Most of the Maine woods is private property.  It is not yours to turn into something else using Federal control to impose it — and that includes my property.  People who like what they have have every right to oppose your radical politics trying to take it over, but should not be subjected to it all.

  Your arrogant dismisal of other people’s rights and way of life as a mere “ploy” to not give you what you want is disgusting.  Viros trying to “save” other people’s land with their balmy mentality of a Garden of Eden coercive ‘utopia’ are a threat to all of us.

  The same goes for Acadia where there has been contention between the local towns and the National Park Service with its lobby for decades.  The use of eminent domain by the National Park Service — which Quimby is helping them with there — is a major injustice that the arrogant Big Park lobby doesn’t care about.  Stop prattling about “all the people” and get your hands off of other people’s lives.

• Anonymous

  Most of the Maine woods is private property.  It is not yours to turn into something else using Federal control to impose it — and that includes my property.  People who like what they have have every right to oppose your radical politics trying to take it over, but should not be subjected to it all.

  Your arrogant dismisal of other people’s rights and way of life as a mere “ploy” to not give you what you want is disgusting.  Viros trying to “save” other people’s land with their balmy mentality of a Garden of Eden coercive ‘utopia’ are a threat to all of us.

  The same goes for Acadia where there has been contention between the local towns and the National Park Service with its lobby for decades.  The use of eminent domain by the National Park Service — which Quimby is helping them with there — is a major injustice that the arrogant Big Park lobby doesn’t care about.  Stop prattling about “all the people” and get your hands off of other people’s lives.

• Anonymous

  Most of the Maine woods is private property.  It is not yours to turn into something else using Federal control to impose it — and that includes my property.  People who like what they have have every right to oppose your radical politics trying to take it over, but should not be subjected to it all.

  Your arrogant dismisal of other people’s rights and way of life as a mere “ploy” to not give you what you want is disgusting.  Viros trying to “save” other people’s land with their balmy mentality of a Garden of Eden coercive ‘utopia’ are a threat to all of us.

  The same goes for Acadia where there has been contention between the local towns and the National Park Service with its lobby for decades.  The use of eminent domain by the National Park Service — which Quimby is helping them with there — is a major injustice that the arrogant Big Park lobby doesn’t care about.  Stop prattling about “all the people” and get your hands off of other people’s lives.

• Anonymous

  Grew up in a paper mill town. Those jobs are gone. You vote for toilet paper. I vote for nature.

• Anonymous

  Grew up in a paper mill town. Those jobs are gone. You vote for toilet paper. I vote for nature.

• Anonymous

  Grew up in a paper mill town. Those jobs are gone. You vote for toilet paper. I vote for nature.

• Anonymous

  Quimby is deliberately buying up everything she can in order to prevent human use and eliminate private property rights on millions of acres in Maine.  She has for years been canceling camp leases, closing roads and blocking traditional access for no reason other than opposing human activity.  Quimby has a legal right to engage in destructive misanthropy on her own land as long as she owns it, and the rest of us have the right to denounce her crazy policies.

  But Quimby has no right to change the form of government in Maine by imposing Federal control to eliminate the institution of private property rights in principle to impose her wilderness mentality.  No one has a right to do that and Quimby’s land does not give her such a “right”.

• Anonymous

  Quimby is deliberately buying up everything she can in order to prevent human use and eliminate private property rights on millions of acres in Maine.  She has for years been canceling camp leases, closing roads and blocking traditional access for no reason other than opposing human activity.  Quimby has a legal right to engage in destructive misanthropy on her own land as long as she owns it, and the rest of us have the right to denounce her crazy policies.

  But Quimby has no right to change the form of government in Maine by imposing Federal control to eliminate the institution of private property rights in principle to impose her wilderness mentality.  No one has a right to do that and Quimby’s land does not give her such a “right”.

• Anonymous

  There is plenty of malice and disregard for other people’s rights in the drive for a Federal takeover of private property across Maine.  Your own arrogant, contemptuous smear and dismissal of local people is only one example.  This failed agenda for a National Park Service takeover was concocted in Washington a quarter of a century ago and has been systematically rejected across the state ever since for good reason.  Your own arrogance reminds us of why.

• Anonymous

  There is plenty of malice and disregard for other people’s rights in the drive for a Federal takeover of private property across Maine.  Your own arrogant, contemptuous smear and dismissal of local people is only one example.  This failed agenda for a National Park Service takeover was concocted in Washington a quarter of a century ago and has been systematically rejected across the state ever since for good reason.  Your own arrogance reminds us of why.

• Anonymous

  There is plenty of malice and disregard for other people’s rights in the drive for a Federal takeover of private property across Maine.  Your own arrogant, contemptuous smear and dismissal of local people is only one example.  This failed agenda for a National Park Service takeover was concocted in Washington a quarter of a century ago and has been systematically rejected across the state ever since for good reason.  Your own arrogance reminds us of why.

• Anonymous

  The National Park Service has a long record of abusing people’s rights across the country for nearly a century.  The Big Park lobby doesn’t want people to know that so they smear people for objecting to it.  Donahue has already published a personal smear against the Millinocket Council for rejecting her demands, and her “guerrilla painting” — as the article itself acknowledged — is an obvious PR ploy with nothing to do with a desire for “painting”:  Real painters go where they want and quietly pursue their interest without deliberately turning it into a political circus as “guerrilla art”.

• Anonymous

  The National Park Service has a long record of abusing people’s rights across the country for nearly a century.  The Big Park lobby doesn’t want people to know that so they smear people for objecting to it.  Donahue has already published a personal smear against the Millinocket Council for rejecting her demands, and her “guerrilla painting” — as the article itself acknowledged — is an obvious PR ploy with nothing to do with a desire for “painting”:  Real painters go where they want and quietly pursue their interest without deliberately turning it into a political circus as “guerrilla art”.

• Anonymous

  The National Park Service has a long record of abusing people’s rights across the country for nearly a century.  The Big Park lobby doesn’t want people to know that so they smear people for objecting to it.  Donahue has already published a personal smear against the Millinocket Council for rejecting her demands, and her “guerrilla painting” — as the article itself acknowledged — is an obvious PR ploy with nothing to do with a desire for “painting”:  Real painters go where they want and quietly pursue their interest without deliberately turning it into a political circus as “guerrilla art”.

• Anonymous

  No private economy or private property rights can “coexist” with Federal control over the millions of acres that Quimby, Restore and NPCA want to impose “ecosystem restoration”.  They are explicitly out to remove industry and destroy private property rights and have said so. 

  The Millinocket Council has made it very clear that it cares about the town and the economy.  Your statement is a smear.
   

• Anonymous

  No private economy or private property rights can “coexist” with Federal control over the millions of acres that Quimby, Restore and NPCA want to impose “ecosystem restoration”.  They are explicitly out to remove industry and destroy private property rights and have said so. 

  The Millinocket Council has made it very clear that it cares about the town and the economy.  Your statement is a smear.
   

• Anonymous

  No private economy or private property rights can “coexist” with Federal control over the millions of acres that Quimby, Restore and NPCA want to impose “ecosystem restoration”.  They are explicitly out to remove industry and destroy private property rights and have said so. 

  The Millinocket Council has made it very clear that it cares about the town and the economy.  Your statement is a smear.
   

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  “Impose federal control”: these are code words meant to play to the anti-Federalist right wingers.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  “Impose federal control”: these are code words meant to play to the anti-Federalist right wingers.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  “Impose federal control”: these are code words meant to play to the anti-Federalist right wingers.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  “Impose federal control”: these are code words meant to play to the anti-Federalist right wingers.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  “Impose federal control”: these are code words meant to play to the anti-Federalist right wingers.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  Right, because its not like the National Park system is a crown jewel in the US or anything.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  Right, because its not like the National Park system is a crown jewel in the US or anything.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  Right, because its not like the National Park system is a crown jewel in the US or anything.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  Right, because its not like the National Park system is a crown jewel in the US or anything.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  Based on these comments demonizing the Federal Government and National Parks as some sort of UN Socialist Plot, it is quite obvious to me that certain resource-extraction-based companies are very troubled by this idea of preserving the commons.

  If they had their way, all this ‘liberty’ and ‘freedom’ would have stripped away every last tree and siphoned off every flowing river.  Luckily, Maniacs can see through this corporate propaganda dressed up as ‘individual rights’. What they don’t mention, is these individuals they want to give the rights to are the CEOs of logging companies.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  Based on these comments demonizing the Federal Government and National Parks as some sort of UN Socialist Plot, it is quite obvious to me that certain resource-extraction-based companies are very troubled by this idea of preserving the commons.

  If they had their way, all this ‘liberty’ and ‘freedom’ would have stripped away every last tree and siphoned off every flowing river.  Luckily, Maniacs can see through this corporate propaganda dressed up as ‘individual rights’. What they don’t mention, is these individuals they want to give the rights to are the CEOs of logging companies.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  Based on these comments demonizing the Federal Government and National Parks as some sort of UN Socialist Plot, it is quite obvious to me that certain resource-extraction-based companies are very troubled by this idea of preserving the commons.

  If they had their way, all this ‘liberty’ and ‘freedom’ would have stripped away every last tree and siphoned off every flowing river.  Luckily, Maniacs can see through this corporate propaganda dressed up as ‘individual rights’. What they don’t mention, is these individuals they want to give the rights to are the CEOs of logging companies.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  Based on these comments demonizing the Federal Government and National Parks as some sort of UN Socialist Plot, it is quite obvious to me that certain resource-extraction-based companies are very troubled by this idea of preserving the commons.

  If they had their way, all this ‘liberty’ and ‘freedom’ would have stripped away every last tree and siphoned off every flowing river.  Luckily, Maniacs can see through this corporate propaganda dressed up as ‘individual rights’. What they don’t mention, is these individuals they want to give the rights to are the CEOs of logging companies.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  Based on these comments demonizing the Federal Government and National Parks as some sort of UN Socialist Plot, it is quite obvious to me that certain resource-extraction-based companies are very troubled by this idea of preserving the commons.

  If they had their way, all this ‘liberty’ and ‘freedom’ would have stripped away every last tree and siphoned off every flowing river.  Luckily, Maniacs can see through this corporate propaganda dressed up as ‘individual rights’. What they don’t mention, is these individuals they want to give the rights to are the CEOs of logging companies.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  So you never set foot in National Parks? You think Yellowstone would make a great Disneyworld?

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  So you never set foot in National Parks? You think Yellowstone would make a great Disneyworld?

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  So you never set foot in National Parks? You think Yellowstone would make a great Disneyworld?

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  So you never set foot in National Parks? You think Yellowstone would make a great Disneyworld?

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  So you never set foot in National Parks? You think Yellowstone would make a great Disneyworld?

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  You make it sound as if those who enjoy the wilderness want to stop all logging. Which is disingenuous. There is a middle ground. The only ones who dont recognize it are the companies seeking to maximize their profits at the expense of Maine’s long-term economic and environmental sustainability.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  You make it sound as if those who enjoy the wilderness want to stop all logging. Which is disingenuous. There is a middle ground. The only ones who dont recognize it are the companies seeking to maximize their profits at the expense of Maine’s long-term economic and environmental sustainability.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  You make it sound as if those who enjoy the wilderness want to stop all logging. Which is disingenuous. There is a middle ground. The only ones who dont recognize it are the companies seeking to maximize their profits at the expense of Maine’s long-term economic and environmental sustainability.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  You make it sound as if those who enjoy the wilderness want to stop all logging. Which is disingenuous. There is a middle ground. The only ones who dont recognize it are the companies seeking to maximize their profits at the expense of Maine’s long-term economic and environmental sustainability.

• http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/34Q4L4VN5JU5HAWFIW5Z5TYEQ4 bob smith

  “The National Park Service has a long record of abusing people’s rights across the country for nearly a century.”

  As do the Resource-Extraction-Multi-Nationals.

  Me, I’d rather choose my own federal government over the bottom line of a company owned by a company owned by a company based offshore somewhere.

  But feel free to run off into the deep maine woods to hide from UN helicopters and whatnot.

• Anonymous

  Quimby is only pretending to want to “save” a dying mill town.  She is circling like a vulture after decades of the viros doing everything they could to destroy industry.  Quimby needs an appearance of public support for her Federal takeover plan and is trying to bribe anyone she can in a disingenuous campaign pretending that her wilderness agenda is for “the economy”.  The reopening of the mills was a big blow to the viros.

  Yes, Obama’s National Park Service Director Jon Jarvis and Interior Secretary Salazar came to Maine because they are collaborating with Quimby.  They are trying to generate a clamor for a politically self-serving “study” run by the Obama administration to promote a preconceived agenda for a National Park Service takeover of millions of acres of private property in Maine.  They want much more than Quimby’s land and want to “study” much more for the promotion.

  They already know they want this because its in the National Park System Plan as a strategic priority that came from Washington in the 1980s.  NPS Directory Jon Jarvis’ brother Destry Jarvis was in charge of the Plan for the National Park Service’s private lobby, the National Parks and Conservation Association.

  Obama’s Interior Secretary Salazar appointed Quimby to the government-created National Park Foundation, whose purpose is to promote the National Park Service.  Salazar is Chairman of the Board and NPS Directory Jarvis is its Secretary.

  BDN hasn’t been reporting the insider connections and source of the Quimby/Restore agenda.

• Anonymous

  The National Park Service and its pressure groups call everything they want “unique” and “nationally significant”.

• Anonymous

  The National Park Service and its pressure groups call everything they want “unique” and “nationally significant”.

• Anonymous

  there you go saying the mill is back and it can’t co-exist with a park. Huh??? let me know how that mill work does for you. 20 years ago when I moved here 1400+ people worked in the mills, now? Maybe 200 to 300. Yeah put your eggs in that basket at 11.00 an hour for 8,000 (that is almost 4 years) you go for it my friend! And you say tourism jobs don’t pay. Bet they pay more than $11!

  BOTH can co-exist! We can’t say not to anything, we need and should embrace it ALL.

• Anonymous

  The political radicals in the UN are only echoing what the US viro pressure groups have already initiated.  The plan for the National Park Service to take over millions of acres of private property in Maine came from Washington in the 1980s, and was influenced by the Wilderness Society, Maine Coast Heritage Trust, the State Planning Office, etc.  The Natural Resources Council of Maine was the lead pressure group in the promotion of the Big Park takeover plan for Maine, beginning in 1988.

• Anonymous

  The political radicals in the UN are only echoing what the US viro pressure groups have already initiated.  The plan for the National Park Service to take over millions of acres of private property in Maine came from Washington in the 1980s, and was influenced by the Wilderness Society, Maine Coast Heritage Trust, the State Planning Office, etc.  The Natural Resources Council of Maine was the lead pressure group in the promotion of the Big Park takeover plan for Maine, beginning in 1988.

• Anonymous

  Words have meaning.  “Federal control” means an unaccountable bureaucracy from Washington,  DC controlling and prohibiting use of the land instead of private owners exercising their rights under political and economic freedom.  We are not supposed to have to argue that in this country.  Normal people can understand what that means and that it matters.  It matters personally to those impacted.  This isn’t a game with “word play”.  Stop threatening and pushing people around.

• Anonymous

  What you claim is “obvious” to you is ignorant and a non-responsive smear.

  Both individuals and companies own private property.  Private property, no matter who owns it, is not your or the National Park Service’s “commons”.  Keep your hands off of it.
   

• Anonymous

  Private property rights and Federal control can not coexist.  They are mutually exclusive.  So are a productive economy and wilderness “ecosystem restoration” demanded by Quimby and Restore.  Tourism and recreation can and do co-exist with industry.

• Anonymous

   This is non responsive to what I wrote.

• Anonymous

  “Nature” is not a job.  Jobs are part of a productive economy in civilization — when it is not prohibited.  Mankind has progressed since primitive tribalism in the wilderness.

• Anonymous

  It is not “disingenous” to respond to a viro who claims that “there is no industrial future for Maine’s forests” by pointing out that it is false despite decades of attacks on industry by the anti-industry viro pressure groups like NRCM. 

  A lot of us enjoy nature.  That is not the same as wilderness imposed by the Federal government, which is not excused by leftist attacks on private “profits” in the name of, of all things, the “economy”.  “Environmental sustainability” as demanded by ecologists like Restore is not a standard for human action and not a “middle ground”.  Neither is Federal control.

• Anonymous

  This is not responsive to what I wrote.  Haughty “crown jewel” rhetoric does not justify eliminating private property rights.

• Anonymous

  This is another non-responsive smear from Bob Smith.  We are not going to tolerate being pushed around any more by the National Park Service and it’s pressure groups.  Your hatred for corporations is irrelevant to that.  Get out of our lives and stay out.

• Anonymous

  A national park will bring more and better jobs than what’s left of the forest products industry. Not sure mankind has progressed at all. At least tribal people take care of one another. That’s more than can be said of conservative Republicans who want everything for themselves.

• Anonymous

  I wonder why….

• Anonymous

  You are right about that there are six people that lie, but it’s not the town council. I would name the chamber members again, but the sensitive minion would get the BDN to delete my comment “again”….

  .

• Anonymous

  ewv is obviously an industry shill

• yowsayowsa1

   Give em hell EWV!

• Anonymous

  ” Most of the Maine woods is private property. It is not yours to turn into something else … ”

  What does a person saying that really know about property rights ?

• Anonymous

  Actually, she does have the right to do what she wants with her own land.
  You just don’t like it.
  Too bad for you.

  Your flawed mental and moral contortions are as embarassing as Speedoes on fat old guys down in OOBay.
   
  But I do support your right to be an embarassment, both, to yourself and to the very extremist anti-socialist political philosopy that you must believe you are defending with your crazed totalitarian thinking .

  Carry on.

• Anonymous

  The Government is people too.
  We the people, in fact, and as such it the same right to enter contracts as the corporate land holders.

  Get over your lieing ways, you coporate socialist lacky.

• Anonymous

  So can you prove your point by comparing the economy of MDI with Millinocket’s.

  Good luck.

• Anonymous

  If “Words have meaning.” please tell us what the words “private property rights” mean to you ?

• Anonymous

  That is the Marxist-inspired open substitute for the ad hominem argument.  Viros hate industry and think they can dismiss the statement of any individual refuting the alleged legitimacy of their power grab by dismissing it as representing a financial interest of “industry”, hoping that no one else pays attention to the content of the discussion.

• Anonymous

  Boghaunter 9/23/11 07:11 AM in reply to ewv: “A national park will bring more and better jobs than what’s left of the forest products industry. Not sure mankind has progressed at all. At least tribal people take care of one another. That’s more than can be said of conservative Republicans who want everything for themselves.”

  And so we hear the radical eco-socialist mindset directly in his own words.  This is classic. He grousess that primitive tribalism and human sacrifice are superior to modern civilization based on individualism and economic freedom.

  The forest industry is a major part of the Maine economy.  The viros hate industry and do everything they can to destroy it, then circle like vultures hoping to feed off the destruction they cause while pretending to be for “the economy”.  They don’t want an economy, they want the land and they want it kept in wilderness by government fiat. 

  This is of course not unrelated to their drive to prohibit representative, local self-government by the people in the UT so that viros can exploit a centralized, unaccountable LURC to keep people down and the entire UT in “darkness”.
   

• Anonymous

  Are you from Maine? Do you not realize that most of the UT is privately owned?

• Anonymous

  Boy, have they ever brainwashed you. Unless of course you’re a Plum Creek employee. The highest and best use of the North maine Woods is in mixed use, some forestry, some preservation. But the idea that only people who live in the UT should have a say about land use there is ridiculous. I hear that from people in Greenville all the time, but, last time I checked, Greenville wasn’t in the UT. The fate of the North Maine Woods is everyone’s business. You want a handful of toilet paper jobs. I want a thousand eco-tourism jobs.

• Anonymous

  Quimby has the legal right to cancel camp leases, close roads and otherwise block traditional access such as snowmobiles.  She has the right to be a crazy viro misanthrope on her own property as long as she owns it and others have the right of freedom of speech to denounce her for it.  No one has a “right” to collaborate with a Federal agency to create public policy and change the form of government in Maine, especially to a form of government more dictatorial and oppressive as is National Park Service control.  The viros who think otherwise reveal themselves as the little tyrants that they are. Scratch a Big Parkie and you find a socialist, as this commentator illustrates.

  Quimby has boasted that she is trying use her private property to destroy private property as an institution.  She and her boosters are simultaneously trying to befuddle those who take private property rights seriously with fallacious claims that owning property gives her a “right” to destroy private property rights as such, which is contraditory.

• Anonymous

  Yes, I am.
  So, are your from America ?

  Why do oppose Quimby’s property rights in favor of … well …. what should we call your totalitarian nonsense ? 

• Anonymous

   We don’t have to guess, do we?  The openly progressive BDN has editorialized on behalf of Quimby , Restore and the rest of the viros both in its editorials and in its advocacy news articles.  It has no credibility as a legitimate news source.

• Anonymous

  The government in this country is supposed to protect the rights of individuals in accordance with objective law and constitutional limits on government power.  That is what government for “we the people” means.  It does not mean that any mob can gang up on others and use government power to steamroll the victims, including through the device of combining private interests with government power, which is fascism.  The notion that government can act and impose force by “right” is the opposite of the American principles of government and is a totalitarian in nature.  Only individuals, acting alone or in voluntary associations, act by ” right”.

• Anonymous

  The government in this country is supposed to protect the rights of individuals in accordance with objective law and constitutional limits on government power.  That is what government for “we the people” means.  It does not mean that any mob can gang up on others and use government power to steamroll the victims, including through the device of combining private interests with government power, which is fascism.  The notion that government can act and impose force by “right” is the opposite of the American principles of government and is a totalitarian in nature.  Only individuals, acting alone or in voluntary associations, act by ” right”.

• Anonymous

  The government in this country is supposed to protect the rights of individuals in accordance with objective law and constitutional limits on government power.  That is what government for “we the people” means.  It does not mean that any mob can gang up on others and use government power to steamroll the victims, including through the device of combining private interests with government power, which is fascism.  The notion that government can act and impose force by “right” is the opposite of the American principles of government and is a totalitarian in nature.  Only individuals, acting alone or in voluntary associations, act by ” right”.