Medicaid use grows, threatening budget

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AUGUSTA, Maine – The volume of claims under MaineCare, the Medicaid program, are above estimates so far this budget year, raising concerns the program will need more money than budgeted to get through the year.

“There is no doubt it is an alarming issue that warrants our full attention,” Mary Mayhew, commissioner of Health and Human Services, said in an interview. “We have put into place pretty close monitoring of our week-to-week experience with claims volume to get an explanation of what is happening, what is causing the increased volume.”

She said that based on the analysis so far, she cannot say with certainty that there is a pattern that would indicate the need to change projections, but acknowledged she is “leaning” toward that conclusion.

“We have not drilled down on the details of what is driving the increased volume,” she said. “We are working to have that ready when we go before the Appropriations Committee at the end of the month.”

Mayhew is concerned that the base projections of use of Medicaid she inherited from the Baldacci administration were too low. Adjustments in this two-year budget were to make up for loss of the enhanced matching rate under the federal Recovery Act, and did not change the growth projections for the program.

Mayhew said the latest census report on poverty could be a partial explanation of the increase in Medicaid use. About 161,000 Mainers lived in poverty in 2010, and that translates to a poverty rate of 12.5 percent, up from 11.4 percent in 2009.

“We absolutely know that the economic challenges that are plaguing the state continue to challenge us with continued demand for services,” she said.

Sen. Richard Rosen, R-Bucksport, co-chairman of the Appropriations Committee, agrees the increase in average claims of $1.65 million a week is a serious concern. He said if that continues, it will result in the need for significant budget changes to fund the program.

“They have already moved $12 million from the last two quarters of the year,” he said, “that is certainly a red flag to me that we will need a supplemental budget.”

Rosen said the committee had discussed the base assumptions of growth that were in the budget, with bipartisan concern that the slow economic recovery would lead to greater use of the Medicaid program and other income-based social service programs.

“The department has in fact acknowledged to the committee that they anticipate that this trend will continue,” he said. Rosen said that was in a memo to the Appropriations Committee in advance of the panel’s meeting this month.

“This shows why it is so important that we focus on creating more jobs in Maine,” said Rep. Peggy Rotundo, D-Lewiston, the lead Democrat on the panel. “We need to get our economy moving again to solve this and other problems we face.”

She said while the news that use of Medicaid is up is disappointing, it is not surprising.

The panel was worried during budget deliberations earlier this year that the economy was not growing as predicted. Sen. Dawn Hill, D-York, the only Democratic senator on the committee, agreed with Rotundo that the economy is the principal reason for increased demand.

“We can’t leave people out on the street, we can’t leave people without health care,” she said. “We need to come together as a state and deal with this.”

Rosen agreed that a major factor in the increased use of the Medicaid program is the continued increase in poverty in the state. He said for the last decade there has been a “very disturbing” trend in the increasing number of children in poverty.

“That started before the Great Recession, and it continues,” he said.

The Medicaid program is funded mostly by the federal government with the state paying about a third of the cost. As a result, the state is limited in what it can do to change the program.

Mayhew said her agency will seek to better manage MaineCare to try to control costs, but she said if there are more people seeking help because of the economy, there are limits to that strategy.

“We do have some of the other seed accounts in Medicaid that we know are overallocated,” she said, “so we hope we can reallocate resources.”

Mayhew said she hopes to have some answers for the Appropriations Committee when it meets Sept. 26.

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  • Anonymous

    Maybe we should stop paying people to go to methadone clinics.

  • Anonymous

    “…the economic prosperity of the last 30 years has been a fantasy.  While America on the surface was the envy of the world for its apparent success and prosperity; the underlying cancer of debt expansion and lower personal savings was eating away at core.

    The massive indulgence in debt, what the Austrians refer to as a “credit induced boom”,
    has now reached its inevitable conclusion.  The unsustainable credit-sourced boom, which leads to artificially stimulated borrowing, seeks out diminishing investment opportunities.  Ultimately these
    diminished investment opportunities lead to widespread mal-investments.  Not surprisingly, we clearly saw it play out “real-time” in everything from subprime mortgages to derivative instruments which was only for the purpose of milking the system of every potential penny regardless of the apparent underlying risk.

    When credit creation can no longer be sustained the markets must began to clear the excesses before the cycle can begin again.  It is only then, and must be allowed to happen, can resources be reallocated back towards more efficient uses.  This is whyall the efforts of Keynesian policies to stimulate growth in the economy have ultimately failed. Those fiscal and monetary policies, from TARP and QE to tax cuts, only delay the clearing process. Ultimately, that delay only potentially worsens the inevitable clearing process.

    The clearing process is going to be very substantial.  The economy is currently requiring roughly $4 of total credit market debt to create $1 of economic growth.  A reversion to a structurally manageable level of debt would involve a nearly $30 Trillion reduction of total credit market debt.  The economic drag from such a reduction will be dramatic while the clearing process occurs. ”
     
    >>>excerpt taken from Lance Roberts of “Street Talk Advisors”

  • Anonymous

    This is not unexpected.  I would suggest that the department ensure that some clients are not being slipped over into MaineCare from other programs.  This has happened before.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KJEUWEYRHIPWV3PTTWWNUZ2CTQ mcmaineacjam

    They will come to the conclusion that they need to cut MaineCare, and lose the the federal matching funds. This will  force healthcare providers already cut to the bone to cut the only remaining place, employees, which will add to the poverty rate, put more people on MaineCare and they can do it again. Or maybe they will think?

  • Anonymous

    Do we really do that?Ugh…

  • Anonymous

    This is only going to get worse, as unemployment grows and more and more families meet the eligibility standards.  This is a sad statement about where the economy is headed.

  • Anonymous

    Paying them to go to methadone clinics is a lot cheaper than arresting, prosecuting, defending and jailing them after they break into your house looking for money that will pay for a fix.

  • Anonymous

    I would bet that no more than 5 people who bother to read your post will know what Keynesian policies are – you need to keep the audience in mind when you post things here.

  • Anonymous

    It would be a lot cheaper for the taxpayers if the drug addicts broke into my home. Shoot first and ask questions later is my moto

  • Anonymous

    It would be a lot cheaper for the taxpayers if the drug addicts broke into my home. Shoot first and ask questions later is my moto

  • Anonymous

    all you have to do is look at yesterdays news. They are charging a drug addict with stealing from the taxpayers for lying about the mileage she got paid for to get to the clinic.

  • Anonymous

    all you have to do is look at yesterdays news. They are charging a drug addict with stealing from the taxpayers for lying about the mileage she got paid for to get to the clinic.

  • Anonymous

    They get paid for miles?!? What the h@#l are we doing?!?

  • Anonymous

    They get paid for miles?!? What the h@#l are we doing?!?

  • Anonymous

    Ms. Mayhew is going to “drill down with full attention on increased volume in the seed accounts.”

    She sure has the bureaucrat jargon working for her, doesn’t she?

    Let’s take a look at all of Mr. LePage’s business buddies over billing for services on Medicaid accounts, shall we?

    I hear it’s a Republican sport these days.  Yes, I’m looking at you Speaker Nutting.

  • Anonymous

    Ms. Mayhew is going to “drill down with full attention on increased volume in the seed accounts.”

    She sure has the bureaucrat jargon working for her, doesn’t she?

    Let’s take a look at all of Mr. LePage’s business buddies over billing for services on Medicaid accounts, shall we?

    I hear it’s a Republican sport these days.  Yes, I’m looking at you Speaker Nutting.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTLUOVP3KOTAATCD6GC2A5U3TM Joseph

    I do…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JTLUOVP3KOTAATCD6GC2A5U3TM Joseph

    I do…

  • Anonymous

    “We have put into place pretty close monitoring of our week to week experience with claims volume to get an explanation of what is happening, what is causing the increased volume” Mary Mayhew re. the volume of claims for Mainecare above the estimates this budget year.  How about the poverty level climbing to a level not seen since 1993.  DUH?

  • Anonymous

    “We have put into place pretty close monitoring of our week to week experience with claims volume to get an explanation of what is happening, what is causing the increased volume” Mary Mayhew re. the volume of claims for Mainecare above the estimates this budget year.  How about the poverty level climbing to a level not seen since 1993.  DUH?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, let’s create more jobs in maine which actually offer some sort of reasonable healthcare coverage instead of retail/restaurant chain jobs which barely offer full time much less benefits. 

    I’m pretty sick of hearing “it’s better than nothing’ when I see a line wrapped practically twice around the average Dunkin’ Donuts, and I know most of their employees to be covered under MaineCare.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, let’s create more jobs in maine which actually offer some sort of reasonable healthcare coverage instead of retail/restaurant chain jobs which barely offer full time much less benefits. 

    I’m pretty sick of hearing “it’s better than nothing’ when I see a line wrapped practically twice around the average Dunkin’ Donuts, and I know most of their employees to be covered under MaineCare.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Yep.

     And Bangorian says it really works.

     At least when those dopers are on their way to Bangor, they aren’t bothering anyone at home.

  • yowsayowsa1

     Yep.

     And Bangorian says it really works.

     At least when those dopers are on their way to Bangor, they aren’t bothering anyone at home.

  • Anonymous

    A couple of ideas:
    Change the protocols for EMS so they can  refuse to transport the young adults just seeking a free ride to the doctor at the hospital to get a pain killer refill.  
    Eliminate re-hab for substance abuse after one trip to Acadia or Springhill.  
    No mileage for methadone treatments.
    Limit the number of methadone treatments.
    Charge those that misuse ambulance services with the bill and for fraud.  

    No Job-no kids-NO HELP!  I believe we have to help the children as much as possible, but not one cent for work age adults who can’t put the game controller or bong down.  
    Enough is enough.  

  • Anonymous

    A couple of ideas:
    Change the protocols for EMS so they can  refuse to transport the young adults just seeking a free ride to the doctor at the hospital to get a pain killer refill.  
    Eliminate re-hab for substance abuse after one trip to Acadia or Springhill.  
    No mileage for methadone treatments.
    Limit the number of methadone treatments.
    Charge those that misuse ambulance services with the bill and for fraud.  

    No Job-no kids-NO HELP!  I believe we have to help the children as much as possible, but not one cent for work age adults who can’t put the game controller or bong down.  
    Enough is enough.  

  • Anonymous

    Hey thanks for the positive reply…in response to your comment, what better time to educate oneself? It only takes about 10 to 20 minutes to figure out the core of Keynesian economics and the fallacious unsustainable nature of such an approach – you need to keep in mind we are in the age of the internet and the old way of doing things are coming to an abrupt, dismal end.

  • Anonymous

    Hey thanks for the positive reply…in response to your comment, what better time to educate oneself? It only takes about 10 to 20 minutes to figure out the core of Keynesian economics and the fallacious unsustainable nature of such an approach – you need to keep in mind we are in the age of the internet and the old way of doing things are coming to an abrupt, dismal end.

  • Anonymous

    indeed a sad statement…the greatest depression the world has ever known is on our doorstep

  • Anonymous

    indeed a sad statement…the greatest depression the world has ever known is on our doorstep

  • Anonymous

    indeed, imagine if THAT was the typical conclusion for modern day drug addiction instead of the unsustainable policy folks like Bangorian support.  Would drugs be so “cool” if you were pretty much guaranteed to get killed by other private citizens when you went out looking to steal to get your fix?   Folks like Bangorian do nothing but enable the abolition of private property rights, therefore eroding the very foundation of a civil and just society.

  • Anonymous

    indeed, imagine if THAT was the typical conclusion for modern day drug addiction instead of the unsustainable policy folks like Bangorian support.  Would drugs be so “cool” if you were pretty much guaranteed to get killed by other private citizens when you went out looking to steal to get your fix?   Folks like Bangorian do nothing but enable the abolition of private property rights, therefore eroding the very foundation of a civil and just society.

  • Anonymous

    and what will “thinking” achieve?

    what’s the solution?

  • Anonymous

    and what will “thinking” achieve?

    what’s the solution?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Davida-Willette/100000655412147 Davida Willette

    you know i have noticed alot of young people are dying unexpected deaths sounds like mainecare is already cutting back. some people have legit illnesses like me i have right congestive hert failure mitral valve leak diabetes type two kidney issues caused by the medication i have to take a platelet count that continues to fall 62000 all they think of is cutting corners. i want to survive this dam thing its my body my life 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Davida-Willette/100000655412147 Davida Willette

    you know i have noticed alot of young people are dying unexpected deaths sounds like mainecare is already cutting back. some people have legit illnesses like me i have right congestive hert failure mitral valve leak diabetes type two kidney issues caused by the medication i have to take a platelet count that continues to fall 62000 all they think of is cutting corners. i want to survive this dam thing its my body my life 

  • Anonymous

    So awarding bad behavior. hmmmmmmmm ?

  • Anonymous

    So awarding bad behavior. hmmmmmmmm ?

  • Anonymous

    So awarding bad behavior. hmmmmmmmm ?

  • Anonymous

    So awarding bad behavior. hmmmmmmmm ?

  • Anonymous

    This is northern maine we have more guns per person then texas i would be surprised if Knowitall617′s senario wasn’t the norm for druggeies

  • Anonymous

    This is northern maine we have more guns per person then texas i would be surprised if Knowitall617′s senario wasn’t the norm for druggeies

  • Anonymous

    This is northern maine we have more guns per person then texas i would be surprised if Knowitall617′s senario wasn’t the norm for druggeies

  • Anonymous

    This is northern maine we have more guns per person then texas i would be surprised if Knowitall617′s senario wasn’t the norm for druggeies

  • Anonymous

    Dark ages ?

  • Anonymous

    Dark ages ?

  • Anonymous

    Dark ages ?

  • Anonymous

    Dark ages ?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TFOKYEKTLE5E5Z747STURDSJEI Randy

    Well it really does work if your a doper and don’t wanna work.  If 6 people travel together to the methadone clinics they all get paid mileage even though they go in one car.  I’ve heard that they also get a snack voucher ($5) because they complained that the drugs make them sick.  That entire program needs to go.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TFOKYEKTLE5E5Z747STURDSJEI Randy

    Well it really does work if your a doper and don’t wanna work.  If 6 people travel together to the methadone clinics they all get paid mileage even though they go in one car.  I’ve heard that they also get a snack voucher ($5) because they complained that the drugs make them sick.  That entire program needs to go.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TFOKYEKTLE5E5Z747STURDSJEI Randy

    Well it really does work if your a doper and don’t wanna work.  If 6 people travel together to the methadone clinics they all get paid mileage even though they go in one car.  I’ve heard that they also get a snack voucher ($5) because they complained that the drugs make them sick.  That entire program needs to go.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TFOKYEKTLE5E5Z747STURDSJEI Randy

    Well it really does work if your a doper and don’t wanna work.  If 6 people travel together to the methadone clinics they all get paid mileage even though they go in one car.  I’ve heard that they also get a snack voucher ($5) because they complained that the drugs make them sick.  That entire program needs to go.

  • Anonymous

    So we should in turn do what europe use todo invade other countries and take all there stuff ?

  • Anonymous

    So we should in turn do what europe use todo invade other countries and take all there stuff ?

  • Anonymous

    So we should in turn do what europe use todo invade other countries and take all there stuff ?

  • Anonymous

    So we should in turn do what europe use todo invade other countries and take all there stuff ?

  • Anonymous

    LOL come on you gotta count the guy that had to read it five times :)

  • Anonymous

    LOL come on you gotta count the guy that had to read it five times :)

  • Anonymous

    LOL come on you gotta count the guy that had to read it five times :)

  • Anonymous

    LOL come on you gotta count the guy that had to read it five times :)

  • Anonymous

    Y not just lower the cap at which they can get maine care just saying the average income for a year is approx 7000 usd a person working full time at dunkin donuts makes double that a year the question is do they need the help to begin with ?

  • Anonymous

    Y not just lower the cap at which they can get maine care just saying the average income for a year is approx 7000 usd a person working full time at dunkin donuts makes double that a year the question is do they need the help to begin with ?

  • Anonymous

    I recently went to a mexican hospital related to a ship yard instance and they wont use my insurance i got x-rays pain killers and my bill was 150 with out insurance i cant get a asprin at emmc so to the bone hardly they aren’t even under the skin

  • Anonymous

    I recently went to a mexican hospital related to a ship yard instance and they wont use my insurance i got x-rays pain killers and my bill was 150 with out insurance i cant get a asprin at emmc so to the bone hardly they aren’t even under the skin

  • Anonymous

    I recently went to a mexican hospital related to a ship yard instance and they wont use my insurance i got x-rays pain killers and my bill was 150 with out insurance i cant get a asprin at emmc so to the bone hardly they aren’t even under the skin

  • Anonymous

    I recently went to a mexican hospital related to a ship yard instance and they wont use my insurance i got x-rays pain killers and my bill was 150 with out insurance i cant get a asprin at emmc so to the bone hardly they aren’t even under the skin

  • Anonymous

    I think that the form of society that you describe went out of fashion sometime in the Middle Ages.  

  • Anonymous

    I think that the form of society that you describe went out of fashion sometime in the Middle Ages.  

  • Anonymous

    I think that the form of society that you describe went out of fashion sometime in the Middle Ages.  

  • Anonymous

    I think that the form of society that you describe went out of fashion sometime in the Middle Ages.  

  • Anonymous

    Actually it’s usually referred to as treating an addiction.  I’m not sure that someone on medically assisted recovery would agree with you – that having to travel, stand in line, hang around addicts and take foul tasting medicine to keep from getting sick is some sort of award.

  • Anonymous

    Actually it’s usually referred to as treating an addiction.  I’m not sure that someone on medically assisted recovery would agree with you – that having to travel, stand in line, hang around addicts and take foul tasting medicine to keep from getting sick is some sort of award.

  • Anonymous

    Actually it’s usually referred to as treating an addiction.  I’m not sure that someone on medically assisted recovery would agree with you – that having to travel, stand in line, hang around addicts and take foul tasting medicine to keep from getting sick is some sort of award.

  • Anonymous

    Actually it’s usually referred to as treating an addiction.  I’m not sure that someone on medically assisted recovery would agree with you – that having to travel, stand in line, hang around addicts and take foul tasting medicine to keep from getting sick is some sort of award.

  • Anonymous

    Well, you could try imperialism for a while if you’d like.  I would argue we have already been down that path and are currently engaged in such endeavors.  How is that working out for us?  Basically, what the guy is saying, and I agree, we need to get the debt in order on both a national and individual scale.  In simple terms, it means saving money and THEN purchasing, as opposed to borrowing for literally everything.  After all, debt is the antithesis of wealth and it is a shame that our country has become so addicted to its malevolent outcome.    

  • Anonymous

    Well, you could try imperialism for a while if you’d like.  I would argue we have already been down that path and are currently engaged in such endeavors.  How is that working out for us?  Basically, what the guy is saying, and I agree, we need to get the debt in order on both a national and individual scale.  In simple terms, it means saving money and THEN purchasing, as opposed to borrowing for literally everything.  After all, debt is the antithesis of wealth and it is a shame that our country has become so addicted to its malevolent outcome.    

  • Anonymous

    Well, you could try imperialism for a while if you’d like.  I would argue we have already been down that path and are currently engaged in such endeavors.  How is that working out for us?  Basically, what the guy is saying, and I agree, we need to get the debt in order on both a national and individual scale.  In simple terms, it means saving money and THEN purchasing, as opposed to borrowing for literally everything.  After all, debt is the antithesis of wealth and it is a shame that our country has become so addicted to its malevolent outcome.    

  • Anonymous

    This can’t be. We elected a business man to run our State. He is going to run it like a business and we are not going to have to worry about those democrat bureaucrats ever again. At least not as long as Business man LePage is at the helm of the Ship of State. We will have more money then we need, so much so that we can give our better off citizens a $100 million tax cut. I’m sure glad that we can drill down with full attention on increased volume in the seed accounts. Does that mean we are going to start drilling more holes to plant seeds in that will grow more money. What a fantastic idea when we need more money LePage is just going to have the head of DHHS grow it. 

  • Anonymous

    This can’t be. We elected a business man to run our State. He is going to run it like a business and we are not going to have to worry about those democrat bureaucrats ever again. At least not as long as Business man LePage is at the helm of the Ship of State. We will have more money then we need, so much so that we can give our better off citizens a $100 million tax cut. I’m sure glad that we can drill down with full attention on increased volume in the seed accounts. Does that mean we are going to start drilling more holes to plant seeds in that will grow more money. What a fantastic idea when we need more money LePage is just going to have the head of DHHS grow it. 

  • Anonymous

    This can’t be. We elected a business man to run our State. He is going to run it like a business and we are not going to have to worry about those democrat bureaucrats ever again. At least not as long as Business man LePage is at the helm of the Ship of State. We will have more money then we need, so much so that we can give our better off citizens a $100 million tax cut. I’m sure glad that we can drill down with full attention on increased volume in the seed accounts. Does that mean we are going to start drilling more holes to plant seeds in that will grow more money. What a fantastic idea when we need more money LePage is just going to have the head of DHHS grow it. 

  • Anonymous

    This can’t be. We elected a business man to run our State. He is going to run it like a business and we are not going to have to worry about those democrat bureaucrats ever again. At least not as long as Business man LePage is at the helm of the Ship of State. We will have more money then we need, so much so that we can give our better off citizens a $100 million tax cut. I’m sure glad that we can drill down with full attention on increased volume in the seed accounts. Does that mean we are going to start drilling more holes to plant seeds in that will grow more money. What a fantastic idea when we need more money LePage is just going to have the head of DHHS grow it. 

  • Anonymous

    Excellent idea knowitall. How about you post your address.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent idea knowitall. How about you post your address.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent idea knowitall. How about you post your address.

  • Anonymous

    Your kidding…….right??

  • Anonymous

    Your kidding…….right??

  • Anonymous

    Over $10,000 for 3 years of traveling!! And, they let them drive while taking that stuff! 

  • Anonymous

    Over $10,000 for 3 years of traveling!! And, they let them drive while taking that stuff! 

  • Anonymous

    How much of our Medicaid money goes for the support of methadone users? Is that a legitimate question?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SCNJPPZDX7GEYELESV2YGQFLN4 Pat T. Riot

    I didn’t know who Lance Roberts was, so I checked.  Turns out he is another one of these investment advisers who proclaim their wisdom to the world, and quite likely earn a lot of money, by putting their wisdom on the air.  He does have an interesting graph on his streettalklive.com website.  He identifies the “breaking point” as occurring in mid-1981, the first year of Ronald Reagan’s presidency.

  • Anonymous

    This article illustrates the profound increase in poverty in the state caused by the financial meltdown of 2008, it has squat to do with methadone.

  • http://www.facebook.com/will.bradbury1 Will Bradbury

    Since taxpayers spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year buying very expensive private insurance for government officials like Mary Mayhew and our public servants from school teachers to police to public works people, and Mainecare provides incredible insurance at about a third of the cost per person that the private companies do, why can’t the state and local governments buy into Mainecare?

  • http://www.facebook.com/will.bradbury1 Will Bradbury

    Since taxpayers spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year buying very expensive private insurance for government officials like Mary Mayhew and our public servants from school teachers to police to public works people, and Mainecare provides incredible insurance at about a third of the cost per person that the private companies do, why can’t the state and local governments buy into Mainecare?

  • http://www.facebook.com/will.bradbury1 Will Bradbury

    Since taxpayers spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year buying very expensive private insurance for government officials like Mary Mayhew and our public servants from school teachers to police to public works people, and Mainecare provides incredible insurance at about a third of the cost per person that the private companies do, why can’t the state and local governments buy into Mainecare?

  • http://www.facebook.com/will.bradbury1 Will Bradbury

    Since taxpayers spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year buying very expensive private insurance for government officials like Mary Mayhew and our public servants from school teachers to police to public works people, and Mainecare provides incredible insurance at about a third of the cost per person that the private companies do, why can’t the state and local governments buy into Mainecare?

  • http://www.facebook.com/will.bradbury1 Will Bradbury

    Since taxpayers spend hundreds of millions of dollars each year buying very expensive private insurance for government officials like Mary Mayhew and our public servants from school teachers to police to public works people, and Mainecare provides incredible insurance at about a third of the cost per person that the private companies do, why can’t the state and local governments buy into Mainecare?

  • Anonymous

    Society pays for healthcare one way or another.  So you can either adopt a national plan of universal healthcare, force employers to pay a living wage so folks can afford healthcare, or provide healthcare through assistance programs.

  • Anonymous

    Society pays for healthcare one way or another.  So you can either adopt a national plan of universal healthcare, force employers to pay a living wage so folks can afford healthcare, or provide healthcare through assistance programs.

  • Anonymous

    Society pays for healthcare one way or another.  So you can either adopt a national plan of universal healthcare, force employers to pay a living wage so folks can afford healthcare, or provide healthcare through assistance programs.

  • Anonymous

    Society pays for healthcare one way or another.  So you can either adopt a national plan of universal healthcare, force employers to pay a living wage so folks can afford healthcare, or provide healthcare through assistance programs.

  • Anonymous

    Society pays for healthcare one way or another.  So you can either adopt a national plan of universal healthcare, force employers to pay a living wage so folks can afford healthcare, or provide healthcare through assistance programs.

  • Anonymous

    Society pays for healthcare one way or another.  So you can either adopt a national plan of universal healthcare, force employers to pay a living wage so folks can afford healthcare, or provide healthcare through assistance programs.

  • Anonymous

    Society pays for healthcare one way or another.  So you can either adopt a national plan of universal healthcare, force employers to pay a living wage so folks can afford healthcare, or provide healthcare through assistance programs.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not exactly sure what you’re getting at, so pardon me for asking. ;)

    Do you mean to say that they make enough to pay for average healthcare costs and their bills if they work full time at minimum wage?

    The national poverty line for a family of 2 is $14,570 now. This table is for heating assistance. 

    http://liheap.ncat.org/profiles/povertytables/FY2010/popstate.htm

    Also, riddle me this:  How many full-time slots are open?  I know part-time offers nothing by way of an ‘in’ to any kind of coverage which is affordable when making minimum. 

    The bottom line is that service sector jobs have never been designed to be a ‘live on’ career.  They were more of a “kids in high school learning job skills” or “a little extra to HELP pay the bills” or a boost to the savings account.  

    Are you aware of how much an “average” health care visit costs? 

    Part of the reason that Anthem makes over $16,000.00 per year (aside from profit and bonuses) between what we pay and what our employer pays for just one family of 4 is because the providers’ bills must be paid somehow, and Maine still owes money to providers big time.  Health care is not cheap.  If we demand the best of everything, then somebody’s got to pay for it.

    This is what gets me.  Follow the math.  When I started working a weekend job in the late 1980s, I took it because it offered health care coverage at a reasonable price (which my other 36 hour job didn’t even offer) and a good chunk of “extra” change to bring home after the weekly premium was taken out. 

    Fast-forward to today, and I couldn’t even make enough to afford the same type of coverage (much less dental which I also had then) to even pay the weekly premium.  I’m talking at the exact same job.  Health care is nowhere near what it was, and now we have  an entire baby boomer generation requiring services that the following generation simply cannot pay for on service sector jobs (and let’s face it, there are far more floor-washers than there are PHDs).  Simple reality there.

    Yes, I did the math recently - that’s $16,000.00 with a $500 deductible per family member (never met btw, so that’s out of pocket costs to us)  Co-pays and cost shares as well.

    Most self-employed people can only afford catastrophic coverage now.  It’s ridiculous, and it’s only going to get worse IMO.

  • Anonymous

    I think the payment for mileage is done so people who otherwise couldn’t afford to travel can get to the clinic and be treated. It’s likely a few cents per mile.

  • Anonymous

    Have you ever experienced severe chronic pain? People who have are not quite as quick to sneer at people needing a refill of pain medication. Granted, some people abuse pain meds, but that doesn’t mean all people in pain should be denied help.

    Are you saying that anyone who also has a psychiatric illness (“One trip to Acadia”) should be denied painkillers?

  • Anonymous

    The other day a Republican politician was talking about the notion of letting people without insurance die in the streets–his conservative audience CHEERED. He quickly back-pedaled, but that sure was an eye-opener about the heartlessness of some people.

  • Anonymous

    The SOLUTION is simple.. stop the handouts, its to easy to get on the system  especially when your lazy

  • Anonymous

    The whole program stinks. Tax payer dollars supporting “treatment” for addicts. It’s this type of garbage that threatens the entire program and sucks money from people who through no fault of their own need State support.

    Send the addicts a f#$%^%&^ bill!

  • Anonymous

    ““We have not drilled down on the details of what is driving the increased volume,””

    -Oh really?  How about high unemployment, burdensome regulations, lack of competition between insurance companies because they have bought off politicians, inflation and criminal taxes which have depleted peoples cash flow and driven up the cost of living which in turn has forced people to go on government health care…they have no choice left!

    brain dead political hacks…all of them.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like giving up to me.

    Hey maybe I’ll come down with a severe case of laziness and need to break into houses to feed my internet addiction. Can the state pay my Time Warner high speed bill so I won’t steal?

  • Anonymous

    Do you truly believe that addicts should never receive treatment?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SCNJPPZDX7GEYELESV2YGQFLN4 Pat T. Riot

    Here is something to ponder as we try to figure out what to do.  Ron Paul’s 49 year-old former campaign chairman, Kent Snyder, died from complications of pneumonia back in 2008.  He was uninsured and incurred costs of $400,000.  His mother got the bill which she couldn’t pay.  Who ended up paying I wonder?  Was it the people who had insurance and paid extra to cover the costs of the uninsured?  Or do you suppose it was the taxpayer?

  • Anonymous

    What does one expect. Maine has slave wage jobs no benefits,  if you are lucky. If not lucky, you are unemployed without health care.  At the latest Tea Party – Republican Debate, Dr Ron Paul just wants you to die to save money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Davida-Willette/100000655412147 Davida Willette

    just like the old man in the wheelchair when katrina went through new orleans i remember that picture. he was dead in his wheelchair infront of the stadium in new orleans . 

  • Anonymous

    I would gut this program… cut it by 50%! Get the able bodied out of MaineCare and give help to those that truly need it. Spending priorities today often begin with wants and pleasures rather than needs and sacrifices. Pleasure is the itch that needs to be scratched not sacrifice and taking care of oneself. ”I’ll spend my money on a new snowmobile or a honeymoon in Tuscany… the State (i.e., taxpayer) should take care of my food, heating oil and medical care”. There is way, way too much drama today. I picked up a coat for my kid at Marden’s the other day for $25.00… what able body person can’t come up with $25.00?
    C’mon… give up a couple packs of smokes, a bottle or two of coffee brandy and some scratch off tickets and you have the money for two coats!  Like most people reading this message, if they’re honest with themselves, know of people abusing the system. The two examples I used above… true stories!

  • Anonymous

    Babyboomers are reaching retirement age by the thousands- and you are surprised? Maybe a new job for you. M&M’s is still looking for proofreaders.

  • Anonymous

    As more people lose their jobs and health benefits, what else can you expect? I’m tired of the GOP insisting that paying more taxes will hamper job creation. But where are the jobs? They’ve had these tax cuts for years and so far all the jobs are going overseas. I suppose the GOP will fix this budgetary problem by raising the cut off limits for qualifying for MainCare.

  • Anonymous

    As more people lose their jobs and health benefits, what else can you expect? I’m tired of the GOP insisting that paying more taxes will hamper job creation. But where are the jobs? They’ve had these tax cuts for years and so far all the jobs are going overseas. I suppose the GOP will fix this budgetary problem by raising the cut off limits for qualifying for MainCare.

  • Anonymous

    I think people who are addicted to government should receive treatment, as they are the most destructive addicts of all!

    Other than that, if you want treatment, pay for it yourself.  It wasn’t the rest of us who chose addiction for the addict, it was the addicts themselves that mad that choice.  As with everything else in life, make a bad choice, pay the consequence.  Maybe if folks of your mindset taught that to your kids instead of teaching them that government will be there to bail them out after every poor decision they made we might actually see a decline in drug addiction rates.

  • Anonymous

    “We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And
    so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”  -  Frédéric Bastiat

    Liz, your argument has been utterly destroyed through simple logic for over 16o years now.  When are folks like you going to stop with these childish arguments?  Making the claim that human beings are responsible for their own actions, this includes the unfortunate situation of family members who may be physically or mentally ill, is not synonymous with a lack of compassion or a desire to see all those who suffer continue to do so.  Those who speak for liberty are unquestionably the most compassionate people on the planet.  How much compassion is there in  setting up government programs for people to become dependent upon and then, when times are tough, removing those programs because your policy has bankrupted the treasury?  There is no compassion in that approach whatsoever, as you are literally setting these poor folks up for disaster and massive human suffering that would have never occurred, if you had just left the people alone and allowed them to care for themselves as they had traditionally done.

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t say that. They should have to pay for it. Once they clean up and get a job, they should have to pay back the cost of treatment. If they can pay for drugs, they can pay for gas. We should not be in the business of paying for a person’s bad decisions.  If they aren’t motivated to pay for treatment, then they aren’t ready to get clean.

  • Anonymous

    Treatment is great, if the addict really wants to get clean. If they really want it, they will pay for it. They don’t need cash, but they SHOULD get the bill. Personal financial responsibility is the first step towards reintegration into normal society.

  • Anonymous

    LOL…you totally mis-characterize the man’s statement.  Paul answers Blizter’s question straight up…”Do you think society should just let him die?”….answer “NO”.  And he’s right society shouldn’t let him die, but that does not mean, in any way, that government should be responsible…society is NOT government!

    watch the video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irx_QXsJiao&NR=1 

    And just to get the facts straight on Blitzer’s hypothetical question, he posed it as a 30 year old that MADE HIS OWN CHOICE to forgo purchasing health insurance.  That’s it, end of story.  The person made a conscious decision to take a risk (one that I would not take) with his own life.  If he does not understand the downside of that risk, it is NOT the obligation of the rest of society to bail him out.  As Paul says, that is what freedom is all about.  Humans should be free to make their own decisions and in doing so must accept the risks that accompany that freedom.   If you can’t handle freedom, then you are inherently choosing slavery…I thought folks of your mindset were adamantly opposed to slavery? 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohKz9OeiI0g&feature=related

  • Anonymous

    Could you provide data showing additional young people are dying due to poor access to health care? Facts are better than feelings…

  • Anonymous

    In a perfect world, that would be great.  But we live in a world where there are many competing factors – many addicts have major psychiatric problems, haven’t finished school because they wound up in foster care, have disabilities or physical limitations, and on and on.  I have yet to meet a perfectly well adjusted, highly motivated drug addict, but you if think they’re out there, I’ll keep looking for one.

  • Anonymous

    In a perfect world, that would be great.  But we live in a world where there are many competing factors – many addicts have major psychiatric problems, haven’t finished school because they wound up in foster care, have disabilities or physical limitations, and on and on.  I have yet to meet a perfectly well adjusted, highly motivated drug addict, but you if think they’re out there, I’ll keep looking for one.

  • Anonymous

    The tp/repub health care plan is die and die quickly.

  • Anonymous

    The tp/repub health care plan is die and die quickly.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe they need to institute a sliding eligibility system. The more you make, the more you contribute to your own health care. People who are at the high end (and just barely eligible) can afford to pay some.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe they need to institute a sliding eligibility system. The more you make, the more you contribute to your own health care. People who are at the high end (and just barely eligible) can afford to pay some.

  • Anonymous

    You really sound full of hatred.

    You, yourself are “addicted to government,” unless you’re somehow able to get along without the existence of police and fire departments.

    You have some odd ideas about the causes and effects of drug addiction. It is not caused by government bailouts (if it were, then every US corporation would be staffed entirely by drug addicts). Growing up in a family of addicts is one common way for addictions to get started (this includes alcoholics who grew up with alcoholic parents). Other potential causes of drug addiction include people with undiagnosed mental illnesses who self-medicate.

    Getting over an addiction to street drugs is incredibly difficult. Think how hard it is for most smokers to give up cigarettes. People who have grown up with slim coping skills, might have a psychiatric illness, and are surrounded by poor role models are not going to spontaneously stop using just because conservatives stop funding treatment.

    Despising addicts, refusing to help them, and slandering anyone who wants them to have access to treatment doesn’t cure them. It just gives you an outlet for your anger.

  • Anonymous

    You really sound full of hatred.

    You, yourself are “addicted to government,” unless you’re somehow able to get along without the existence of police and fire departments.

    You have some odd ideas about the causes and effects of drug addiction. It is not caused by government bailouts (if it were, then every US corporation would be staffed entirely by drug addicts). Growing up in a family of addicts is one common way for addictions to get started (this includes alcoholics who grew up with alcoholic parents). Other potential causes of drug addiction include people with undiagnosed mental illnesses who self-medicate.

    Getting over an addiction to street drugs is incredibly difficult. Think how hard it is for most smokers to give up cigarettes. People who have grown up with slim coping skills, might have a psychiatric illness, and are surrounded by poor role models are not going to spontaneously stop using just because conservatives stop funding treatment.

    Despising addicts, refusing to help them, and slandering anyone who wants them to have access to treatment doesn’t cure them. It just gives you an outlet for your anger.

  • Anonymous

    $10,908 for 3yrs is hardly a few pennies per mile. Please educate yourself before you stick up for the druggies. It’s sad when people who choose to do drugs get more benefits than someone who is injured at work.

  • Anonymous

    $10,908 for 3yrs is hardly a few pennies per mile. Please educate yourself before you stick up for the druggies. It’s sad when people who choose to do drugs get more benefits than someone who is injured at work.

  • Anonymous

    Family of two can make just under $30k according to the link you provided. They w0n’t get as much assistance as people making less than that. There are different levels of assistance.

  • Anonymous

    1202 Dover Road Charleston, ME 04422. Hopefully I will get some takers.

  • Anonymous

    Yes that’s true, which is why I always find it laughable when people try to blanket all welfare recipients as getting the maximum benefit allowed.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SCNJPPZDX7GEYELESV2YGQFLN4 Pat T. Riot

    This is a losing battle.  Speaker of the House Boehner and the Republicans will not allow any tax increase.  The Democrats lost Weiner’s seat in New York.  President Obama’s proposals are pretty much DOA, and we should all practice this alliteration, President Perry.

  • Anonymous

    I was extremely ill and my physician had me come to the office every day for a week. I had to pay him out of pocket. He told me that if I had health insurance I would have been in the hospital because that is where I needed to be.

    These are real people that will sufffer because of these cuts.

  • Anonymous

    Wishing healing for you Davida.

  • newportres

    Not in my house it hasn’t.  If you don’t want middle ages justice than stay out of my house after I lock the door.
    Outside of my house you can have your justice system, once you break into mine you get what I have waiting for you.

  • newportres

    Not in my house it hasn’t.  If you don’t want middle ages justice than stay out of my house after I lock the door.
    Outside of my house you can have your justice system, once you break into mine you get what I have waiting for you.

  • newportres

    Not in my house it hasn’t.  If you don’t want middle ages justice than stay out of my house after I lock the door.
    Outside of my house you can have your justice system, once you break into mine you get what I have waiting for you.

  • newportres

    Not in my house it hasn’t.  If you don’t want middle ages justice than stay out of my house after I lock the door.
    Outside of my house you can have your justice system, once you break into mine you get what I have waiting for you.

  • newportres

    Not in my house it hasn’t.  If you don’t want middle ages justice than stay out of my house after I lock the door.
    Outside of my house you can have your justice system, once you break into mine you get what I have waiting for you.

  • newportres

    Comparing essential government services with free handouts to drug addicts is a bit of stretch.
    If you support something it doesn’t go away, it prospers.
    All of these years all the social welfare system has done is create more people who need social services.
    Stop the addiction now!

  • newportres

    Or not pay for anyone elses care.
    You left that one out.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve got it backwards. If you lose your job tomorrow, can’t pay your bills, lose your insurance, and lose your home, you will  need social services. The social services did not make you lose your job–you were laid off. Many, many people are being laid off. They need the services you’re eager to demolish. One day you, or a member of your family, may need help. I hope it is there in your time of need.

  • Anonymous

    Do you really want to refuse medical treatment to anybody YOU think doesn’t deserve it? What will happen to YOU when other people decide to deny YOU medical treatment?

    Do you smoke cigarettes? If you don’t stop immediately, a conservative will be ready to let you die for lack of medical services, because the lung cancer was your own fault. Yet tobacco addiction is often said to be harder to kick than cocaine, and many people start smoking in their early teens. Or perhaps you don’t smoke, but carpool with someone who does–if you get lung cancer, no treatment for you–you should have walked to work. Did your parents smoke, exposing  you to second-hand smoke, now causing health problems? Tough luck, conservatives would say.  Does your spouse smoke? No cancer treatment for you–you should have gotten a divorce.

    Have you ever gained a pound that just won’t come off? Maybe a couple of pounds? Gain 3 pounds a year for 10 years and you’re 30 pounds overweight. Conservatives would say that you don’t deserve to see a physician for any weight-related problems, or a psychotherapist either (many people overeat because they’re depressed). Losing weight is very difficult. Most if not all fat people you see have tried over and over and over.

    One day, when you’re miserably ill, do you really want to have to justify yourself to a bunch of death panel conservatives who are determined to find a reason to deny you medical care? Do you want to hear their cheer go up when the decision is made to let you suffer?

  • Anonymous

    And how was that care “traditionally done”? Before there were social programs, many more people were dying of hunger, dying of cold and exposure. There was a hit-or-miss effort–if some church decided you were worth the bother, they might help you out–for a while. If you had wealthy relatives, they  might help you out–for a while. Then, goodbye and tough luck. That’s the compassionate conservative approach.

    The social safety net is a type of insurance program that will help YOU when your own time of need arises. When YOU lose your job, or when one of YOUR kids or grandkids becomes disabled.

    Are you wealthy enough to support your aged parents for the next 20-30 years, including paying the ruinous sums for nursing home care? Are you wealthy enough to support your child for his or her lifetime (up to 80 years, perhaps) if he or she becomes disabled? Are your kids so well-off financially, and so fond of you, that they’re planning to support you through your own old age, no matter how infirm you become? Or have you saved a couple of million dollars for this?

    If your family’s wealth is enormous, perhaps that’s why you’re eager to continue tax breaks for millionaires and ease restrictions on corporations so they can make more money by polluting our air, water, and food.

    If you’re not that wealthy, perhaps you haven’t yet thought about what the “personal responsibility” you advocate would mean in your own life.

    The social safety net didn’t cause America’s financial problems. A lack of regulations on Wall Street plus perpetual wars started by Republicans did that.

  • Anonymous

    And how was that care “traditionally done”? Before there were social programs, many more people were dying of hunger, dying of cold and exposure. There was a hit-or-miss effort–if some church decided you were worth the bother, they might help you out–for a while. If you had wealthy relatives, they  might help you out–for a while. Then, goodbye and tough luck. That’s the compassionate conservative approach.

    The social safety net is a type of insurance program that will help YOU when your own time of need arises. When YOU lose your job, or when one of YOUR kids or grandkids becomes disabled.

    Are you wealthy enough to support your aged parents for the next 20-30 years, including paying the ruinous sums for nursing home care? Are you wealthy enough to support your child for his or her lifetime (up to 80 years, perhaps) if he or she becomes disabled? Are your kids so well-off financially, and so fond of you, that they’re planning to support you through your own old age, no matter how infirm you become? Or have you saved a couple of million dollars for this?

    If your family’s wealth is enormous, perhaps that’s why you’re eager to continue tax breaks for millionaires and ease restrictions on corporations so they can make more money by polluting our air, water, and food.

    If you’re not that wealthy, perhaps you haven’t yet thought about what the “personal responsibility” you advocate would mean in your own life.

    The social safety net didn’t cause America’s financial problems. A lack of regulations on Wall Street plus perpetual wars started by Republicans did that.

  • Anonymous

    When he asked if society should let him die, his supporters CHEERED. That says a lot about the kind of person (or “mindset” to use your word) who supports him.

    Most people who lack insurance simply can’t afford it. They grit their teeth every day, praying they don’t get sick.

    But let’s take your hypothetical 30-year-old who cheerfully assumed he could get by without insurance. Conservatives watch him die, and cheer “Hurrah for freedom!” But how about his widow? His kids? Will they be thrown into poverty with this man dead? Conservatives will make sure they have no safety net–no food stamps, no Medicaid, no Section 8 housing, and of course no medical care (if they can’t scrape up several thousand dollars a year to pay a for-profit insurance corporation). Is this scenario so good for America that you hope to see it played out over and over and over?

    Your notion of freedom is not freedom.

  • Anonymous

    http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/harvard-medical-study-links-lack-of-insurance-to-45000-us-deaths-a-year/

    “Researchers from Harvard Medical School say the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States — a toll that is greater than the number of people who die each year from kidney disease… The Harvard study found that people without health insurance had a 40 percent higher risk of death than those with private health insurance — as a result of being unable to obtain necessary medical care…”

  • Anonymous

    http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/harvard-medical-study-links-lack-of-insurance-to-45000-us-deaths-a-year/

    “Researchers from Harvard Medical School say the lack of coverage can be tied to about 45,000 deaths a year in the United States — a toll that is greater than the number of people who die each year from kidney disease… The Harvard study found that people without health insurance had a 40 percent higher risk of death than those with private health insurance — as a result of being unable to obtain necessary medical care…”

  • Anonymous

    I agree that there are people abusing the system. I devote a good proportion of my working hours to stopping them; I’m good at this, and enjoy it. I’d gladly support hiring more state workers (I don’t work for the state) to ferret out abuse.

    But to say that MaineCare should be cut 50% is irresponsible. You’re basing that on either a handful of abuses you’ve personally seen, rumors, or perhaps even exaggerations. That is NOT a scientific survey.

    I have a disabled adult daughter, who has a genetic disorder. She has MaineCare. I’m aware that many people are very angry in general, and that the Republican party (and the billionaire Koch brothers, who are funding the Tea Party) are highly skilled at channeling public anger away from themselves and toward poor people. They hope to convince voters to slash everything that might conceivably help you or your own kids if they become disabled and/or impoverished.

    If the Republicans are successful at getting social services slashed, my daughter and others like her will be at risk of losing services they desperately need and genuinely deserve. And these services will no longer exist if/when you and your kids or grandkids need them.

  • Anonymous

    I agree that there are people abusing the system. I devote a good proportion of my working hours to stopping them; I’m good at this, and enjoy it. I’d gladly support hiring more state workers (I don’t work for the state) to ferret out abuse.

    But to say that MaineCare should be cut 50% is irresponsible. You’re basing that on either a handful of abuses you’ve personally seen, rumors, or perhaps even exaggerations. That is NOT a scientific survey.

    I have a disabled adult daughter, who has a genetic disorder. She has MaineCare. I’m aware that many people are very angry in general, and that the Republican party (and the billionaire Koch brothers, who are funding the Tea Party) are highly skilled at channeling public anger away from themselves and toward poor people. They hope to convince voters to slash everything that might conceivably help you or your own kids if they become disabled and/or impoverished.

    If the Republicans are successful at getting social services slashed, my daughter and others like her will be at risk of losing services they desperately need and genuinely deserve. And these services will no longer exist if/when you and your kids or grandkids need them.

  • Anonymous

    Your quote gives a number, but not whether the number is increasing, which was the claim in the other post.

  • Anonymous

    Your quote gives a number, but not whether the number is increasing, which was the claim in the other post.

  • Anonymous

    I was assuming you’d follow the link. It notes, “The risk appears to have increased since 1993, when a similar study found the risk of death was 25 percent greater for the uninsured.”

  • Anonymous

    I was assuming you’d follow the link. It notes, “The risk appears to have increased since 1993, when a similar study found the risk of death was 25 percent greater for the uninsured.”

  • newportres

    The problem here is that my money must be used to finance all of the needs you believe should be met.  In your above example and for a limited amount of time I would not mind helping that family.
    That is what local charities are for.
    Mandating the use of my money to cover the many versions of need that YOU feel should be covered only leads to more people who meet the definition of needy.

  • Anonymous

    You say you would not  mind at least  briefly helping the family in my example. Your next sentence refers to “local charities.” Do you tithe?–contribute 1/10 of your income to church or charity? Or do you simply plan to depend on others’ charity to help needy people–and to help you when your own time of need arrives?

    Charity can be pretty spotty. It might not be there for you, or for many (perhaps most) people who need it.

  • newportres

    I’m not a religious guy and not all charities are religious.  I do give but I don’t believe I give 10% (although I’m not sure why that percentage would be the required proper amount).
    All of that being said though I would rather trust in the charity and good will of others than to just go and take what I did not earn from others.
    You on the other hand seem to feel that since you can’t trust others than there should be a law allowing you to take from others and force them to give (10%?).If I were to make it legal for the homeless guy to come into your home and take over one of the 10 rooms of your house I’m guessing you would change your mind about your required “giving”.

  • Anonymous

    The concept  of taxing people to help provide for the common good has been around a long, long time. Calling it “taking” is a spin on the concept that attempts to make it sound evil.

    I suspect this notion comes from the ultra-rich (like the billionaire Koch  brothers who fund the Tea Party), who want to pay even less tax than they do now. If they can convince us there’s something un-American about taxes, they’ve won that battle.

    Yet taxes also pay for public safety (fire dept, police dept), national defense (a good thing, when it’s not used to justify perpetual war), public education, and the social safety net–which is something any of us could end up needing at any moment.

    You seem to be advocating for an extremely rugged individualism that in reality is safe only for millionaires. Most individuals (who don’t live in gated communities) can’t afford to pay for their own private police force or send their kids to private schools. A vast number of American’s can’t afford any health insurance, including many who are employed, or they can afford only minimal (yet horrifyingly expensive) coverage.

    When your own hour of need comes, you might discover that your confidence in private charities has been misplaced.

  • newportres

    Like I said before, as long as you allow me to invent laws which require you to house the homeless than yes your system is fair.
    By the way, comparing mandated handouts to services that we all use equally is nothing more than the usual liberal over the top BS.
    No one has said anything about eliminating all taxes all though I would eliminate all susidies and exemptions of any kind and have one flat tax for all.
    But of course you would be against that as well as it would be FAIR!

  • newportres

    Like I said before, as long as you allow me to invent laws which require you to house the homeless than yes your system is fair.
    By the way, comparing mandated handouts to services that we all use equally is nothing more than the usual liberal over the top BS.
    No one has said anything about eliminating all taxes all though I would eliminate all susidies and exemptions of any kind and have one flat tax for all.
    But of course you would be against that as well as it would be FAIR!

  • Anonymous

    You refer to law enforcement and the fire department as services “we all use equally.” That’s not accurate. They are services that exist IN CASE we need them. As Americans we all have the right to have the fire department come if our house is on fire, and to call the police if need be. We pay taxes so these services exist, even if we have never used them and hope we never will. Most people understand that their own home could burn down, or a burglar might arrive.

    The Republican leadership is hoping voters will believe that losing a job, getting a terrible illness, being hit by a car, having a child born disabled, going bankrupt, and so on only happen to OTHER people… people who somehow don’t deserve help.

    Yet, as was pointed out in a booksome years ago, “Bad Things Happen to Good People.”

    Social services exist to help people when bad things happen. Bad things can happen to me and to you. If and when they do, we’ll need the social safety net.

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