POLL QUESTION

Are our laws prepackaged or homegrown? Does it matter?

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Posted Sept. 13, 2011, at 2:50 p.m.
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AUGUSTA, Maine — During the 2010 election, Republicans made gains in more state legislatures across the country than in any other election in nearly a century.

Maine was particularly friendly to the GOP as voters handed Republicans the House, Senate and the governor’s office.

With that power, Maine’s new political majority — with some help from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a Washington, D.C.-based conservative lobbying group — set the agenda on a whole host of issues, many of which gained little if any traction during three-plus decades of Democratic control.

In the last several weeks, liberal groups have tried — often successfully — to link the organization to Republican-backed legislation in several states, including Maine.

ALEC has been in the national spotlight recently since the launch of a website, alecexposed.org, revealed previously private documents associated with the group.

Critics believe the organization and its influential corporate financial backers have been pushing a conservative national playbook of legislation in as many states as possible. The group does this through “model legislation” that is crafted and offered to ALEC members at no cost.

State Sen. Richard Rosen of Bucksport, the Maine chairman for ALEC, said the group is not as sinister as its detractors would have the public believe. Instead, Rosen said ALEC is similar to many other national organizations that provide resources and networking opportunities for legislators across state lines.

Maine Democrats, however, believe ALEC has a much broader influence that reaches the office of Gov. Paul LePage.

“LePage Republicans ran on a platform of transparency and putting people first, but we know now that they are just pawns in a larger movement,” Maine Democratic Party Chairman Ben Grant said last week. “With each new revelation, it becomes clear that Paul LePage and his allies in the Legislature had no idea what to do when they took office, so they outsourced their agenda to corporate interests and the national conservative movement.”

Grant specifically referenced Republican legislation in Maine designed to privatize health insurance, scale back voting rights and weaken unions as concrete examples of ALEC’s influence in Maine.

“These aren’t Maine ideas for Maine problems. They are ALEC’s ideas, unrelated to our problems,” Grant said.

Rosen chuckled when asked whether his caucus took cues from ALEC during the recent legislative session.

“This group has been around a long time,” he said. “I’m surprised some are choosing right now to make the link.”

Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, said he’s not surprised that ALEC has received more attention lately. From a state legislature standpoint, 2010 was the Republicans’ best election year since the 1920s.

State legislatures in Wisconsin and Ohio have endured criticism for being heavily influenced by ALEC, particularly on union-related bills, but other states have seen similar debates play out, too.

Since the 2010 elections, Maine seems to be one of those states.

Republicans took back the Maine House of Representatives for the first time since 1974 and then seized the Senate, which had been under Democratic control for all but one two-year period since 1982. The trifecta was completed with the election of LePage.

By the time LePage was inaugurated in January, Republicans were eager to begin — in their words — reversing the direction Maine had been headed under Democratic leadership.

The new majority was ambitious and productive during its first Legislative session, which adjourned in late June.

Among the victories cited by Republicans were overhauling health insurance, streamlining the regulatory process and starting to address welfare reform. Although they don’t count as victories yet, Republicans also pushed the debate on right-to-work legislation aimed at weakening unions and on voter identification requirements, two issues that will be carried over to the next session.

A review of several of the laws championed by the GOP majority suggest that Maine lawmakers were at least influenced by ALEC, but there are a few instances where state lawmakers appeared to use the group’s model legislation.

In addition to LD 1333, the health insurance bill, and LD 788, the right-to-work bill, other recently debated legislation that had close ties to ALEC model legislation include LD 659, which sought to repeal clean election laws, and LD 1457, which required parental consent for abortions.

Where LePage fits into the ALEC discussion is not clear.

The governor has never been a legislator and his spokeswoman, Adrienne Bennett, said he has no ties to the group.

Maine Democrats, however, believe the governor is being influenced by the national conservative organization and said his connection to Ann Robinson is proof.

Robinson, a lobbyist with the law firm Preti Flaherty who recently was named ALEC’s co-chairwoman for Maine, served on LePage’s transition team and also helped craft LD 1, the governor’s regulatory reform bill.

Despite Democrats’ claims, Bennett said Robinson is not a regular adviser to LePage.

Republicans don’t own the market on receiving help from ideological policy groups. The national Progressive States Network has provided model legislation and networking mostly to Democrats for many years.

Other, less partisan groups include the National Conference of State Legislatures and the Council of State Governments.

The difference, Democrats say, is that those organizations are funded largely by nonprofit foundations not corporate giants, such as oil and tobacco companies. In the case of NCSL, entire state legislatures — Democrats and Republicans included — pay dues for their states, so they are truly nonpartisan.

Sabato agreed that there is nothing on the political left that is as well-funded and influential as ALEC.

Rep. Michael Carey, D-Lewiston, said the issue is not necessarily that Republicans are taking cues from this group, it’s that they haven’t been honest with constituents.

“I think the people of Maine should wonder who their legislators are representing,” he said. “I know when I’m introducing legislation, I have to explain it and defend it to my constituents.”

Like many think tanks or lobbying groups, ALEC claims to be nonpartisan, but a majority of members are Republicans. Its website indicates that ALEC stands for limited government, free market philosophies and federalist principles, an ideological framework supported by the GOP.

Rosen said he has been a member of ALEC for several years. Many other Maine lawmakers are members, too, but he didn’t have an exact number. ALEC’s membership rolls are private, so that number remains a mystery, but the cost to join is only $50 a year.

No Democrats are on the list, but Rosen said there are Democratic members of ALEC in Southern and Western states.

“It really is nonpartisan,” he said.

Rep. Andre Cushing, R-Hampden, the assistant house majority leader, recently attended an ALEC conference in New Orleans at the encouragement of House Speaker Robert Nutting, R-Oakland. Cushing said it was a great resource for him but downplayed the notion that ALEC has pushed model legislation on states.

“There are pros and cons to using model legislation,” he said. “The pro is that you start with a basis that is reviewed by legal and policy experts, but the con is that it’s ready-made legislation that may not work for every state.

Rosen said that even if ALEC’s ideas have made their way to Maine, so what? Democrats outsource their ideas, too, he said.

“Nearly every single piece of legislation that the [Democratic] majority brought forward was in part developed and driven by interests outside the state of Maine,” Rosen said.

Asked to provide an example, the Bucksport senator said the ban of bisphenol-A in certain plastic itemswhich LePage opposed — was pushed by national environmental groups.

“I don’t want to diminish the Maine sponsors of that legislation or their passion, but sometimes lawmakers don’t have the capacity and ability to develop complicated, detailed language,” Rosen said.

The biggest criticism of ALEC remains the powerful funding arms behind it. Major donors include the Koch Brothers, the American Petroleum Institute, ExxonMobil, and big drug and tobacco companies.

Democrats say that corporate influence belies the notion that Republicans are the party of regular people.

Cushing disagrees.

“Businesses contribute to ALEC, but they do to other groups, too,” Cushing said. “The corporate side of things will always be there.”

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  • Anonymous

    One day I was in a real estate office making an offer  and over heard a legislator bragging about a law he proposed (written by a lobbyist) was passed.  It was 1975 and the legislator was a Democrat.  Nothing new under the sun just who is doing it now.

  • Anonymous

     I’m sure Richard Rosen and the rest of the transparent, people-first, warm and fuzzy republicans do a lot of chuckling when asked about ALEC’s cookie cutter legislation. And it isn’t the least bit surprising that Rosen didn’t answer the question about ALEC’s influence. Trusting a republican politician to act for the good of the people is like trusting a rattlesnake – it just isn’t a smart idea.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=646155700 Jennifer F. Murphy

    The biggest danger (and most insidious) is lack of full disclosure. The people of Maine should know who is writing the laws… most people, I assume, think laws are being drafted by legislators.. If has a hand in actually drafting legislation that effects everyone (and I mean everyone) should know about it before it goes to a vote before the legislature.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like a whole bunch of  pecksniffian jabberwocky.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe for the sake of transparency, one of our esteemed legislators could introduce a bill to the legislature that would require them to name all national lobbying organizations that they belong to. Also to identify the source of any legislation they introduce.

  • Anonymous

    The author of this article has been known to misrepresent the truth countless times in order to push his liberal agenda.  Nice try Eric.

  • PaulNotBunyan

    It makes no difference who writes the legislation. They’re supposed to read and understand anything they vote for. The real problem is that a lot of these people (regardless of party) are not qualified to serve. Many of them are overly reliant on the opinions of others.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    “I don’t want to diminish the Maine sponsors of that legislation or their passion, but sometimes lawmakers don’t have the capacity and ability to develop complicated, detailed language,” Rosen said.

         Thats Right,
        Most of them don’t have a thought in thier head other than where is the lunch wagon and what do I have to say to get elected!

    If you cant do the job get out! Lets start with the guy making the excuses, MR ROSEN!

  • Anonymous

    Please provide examples of misrepresenting the truth if you’re going to make that claim. It’s easy to make the “liberal media” argument, but when pressed for details, those making the claim often fall silent. This story attempts to explain what ties, if any, ALEC has to Maine legislation. Is it a complete story? No, probably not, but I don’t believe it misrepresents the truth.

    -Eric Russell

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    “It really is nonpartisan,” he said.

    Thats right, They don’t care who the Party is as long as they do what they tell them to do!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    “There are pros and cons to using model legislation,” he said. “The pro is that you start with a basis that is reviewed by legal and policy experts,

    {but the con is that it’s ready made legislation that may not work for every state.}

    Lobbiest writing laws for the Legislators!

    That surely Is a “CON”!

  • Anonymous

    This article quotes Grant who is a hack.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Amen, David. That’s the main point. Everyone does it, but the “protests” and “concern” are only raised when it’s the other party proposing the legislation.

  • Anonymous

    “Also to identify the source of any legislation they introduce.”
    No doubt.
    And like, how come plagiarism isnt an issue for politicans and their bills they introduce?
    If highschool students can handle making bibliographies for their school reports,
    legislators should be able to handle citing their sources for their bills.
    And you would think the originators / lobbyists of the legislation would want credit for their work too, haha.

  • Anonymous

    I fail to see the problem with legislators of either party using model legislation.  In the final analysis the legislation (model or not) is introduced, debated, maybe amended and voted on.  It’s not like the entire legislative body has foresaken their right to vote yay or nay.  I was involved with non-profit organizations and their trade organizations in Washington would often have model legislation available to address specific issues of concern to the non-profit.  It’s a lot better use of everyones time to access model legislation addressing issues of common concern than reinventing the wheel in each state.  Finally, a legislator’s time is better spent thinking about the pros and cons of legislation than spending hours of time drafting “bullet proof” legalese.

  • Anonymous

    “Republicans don’t own the market on receiving help from ideological policy groups. The national Progressive States Network has provided model legislation and networking mostly to Democrats for many years.”

  • Anonymous

    I think we have enough evidence to see that republican legislators and the governor are sold out. Is it to ALEC? Many people have gone over our new legisaltion, and seen that some are direct copies of ALEC sponsored works. But the most telling sign was one of the first things lePage did in office (after hiring his unqualified daughter), his legislation to strip many supposed  business unfriendly regulations, which included lifiting the ban on BPA, was presented on the same paper it was given to him on, from the Portland based lobbyist for the chemical industry!

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps not misrepresenting the truth, but  –  ”the infamous Koch brothers?”

    Really?  How objective.

    Has the BDN ever run an article on the the national Progressive States Network providing model legislation and networking to mostly Democrats?  And if it has, was anyone associated with it referred to as “infamous?”

    The whole article, including the provocative headline, hints at something vaguely sinister about the idea of Republicans availing themselves of the expertise of national organizations aligned with their principles.   

    And nice touch providing a convenient link to alecexposed.org.

    The whole article seeks to indict Republicans for the apparent crime of adhering to a political philosophy, while accommodatingly including a quote by Grant insinuating that Republican officeholders are incompetent and just not up to the job.  And the implication, I guess,  would be that the citizens who voted for them must be pretty dim bulbs, too. 

  • kcjonez

    A classic example of the type of legislation this article speaks to is the repealing of our same day voter registration law.  To the best of my knowledge, no Mainer ever said we have a problem here.  On the contrary, Maine has had one of the highest percentages of citizens voting ever since this legislation was originally passed.  Some corporate hack somewhere out in billionaire land came up with this idea as a way to disenfranchise a small portion of “the enemy”, the democrats.  Our new tea party/ALEC legislature pushed it through and now we have a chance to push back.  

    Government by Mainers for Mainers!

    Vote YES on 1!

  • Anonymous

    Figures the truth I write about must be approved by the moderator… BDN,, you make a great fire starter and that is all

  • Anonymous

    2 different ones, one for Northern Maine and one for Southern Maine

  • Anonymous

    More proof that LePage has indentity issues :

    “ Republicans took back the the Maine House of Representatives for the first time since 1974 and then seized the Senate, which had been under Democratic control for all but one two-year period since 1982. The trifecta was completed with the election of Gov. LePage.”

    When did he become a Republican ?

  • Anonymous

    Not unkike the “grass roots” Tea Party ?

    The hypocricy of an independent, less big government, States rights movement being tools for, and doing nothing but impliment the agenda of, national corporist lobbyists will be lost on partisan conservative, anti-evertything, pro nothing, tax grumps and other hypocrites. 

    Is there any point in being more polite about it than that ?
    Any decent from that corporatist internationalist, NWO agenda, in any form, results in the same level of nastiness, and no new solutions, beyond more of the same that caused the economic collapse.

  • Anonymous

    Do you know what Mouselini said would better be called Corporatism, Dlbrt ?

  • Anonymous

    Clearly it is to someone that approves of the smart ALEC’s agenda.
    Bet that if you follow the money it gets to internationalists and fellow travelers of Chairman Joe Stalin.   

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries#Predecessor_companies

  • kcjonez

    Infamous is actually much more civil than many adjectives I have seen and used referring to this unscrupulous duo.  And vaguely sinister?…….I posit that a group that rides to power on the phrase “people before politics”, and then allows out of state special interests to change our political landscape is much worse than vaguely sinister, I would call them treasonous.  As for implications, I don’t see the connection.  Dimbulbs don’t vote at all or vote their selfish passion.  The folks who voted for these scoundrels were hoodwinked, plain and simple.  

  • Anonymous

    “and then allows out of state special interests to change our political landscape is much worse than vaguely sinister, I would call them treasonous.”

    I see.  So, when Democrats receive help from their out of state policy groups they must be “treasonous” too, right?

    From the article:

    “Republicans don’t own the market on receiving help from ideological policy groups. The national Progressive States Network has provided model legislation and networking mostly to Democrats for many years.”

    “Dimbulbs don’t vote at all or vote their selfish passion.”

    Oh, plenty of dim bulbs vote.  In the interest of civil discourse, which Democrats are always encouraging Republicans to engage in, I will leave it at that.

    “The folks who voted for these scoundrels were hoodwinked, plain and simple.”

    I voted for them, proudly.  Your condescension is unbecoming, at best and doesn’t represent your side in the best light.

  • Anonymous

    Good heavens, a voice of reason.

    Model legislation is simply a template, not an immutable directive from some imaginary puppetmaster.

  • Anonymous

    You criticize my work, then you use the balance contained in the story to support your argument to another commenter? That doesn’t seem right.

    -Eric

  • kcjonez

    I have no side to represent in any light.  I dislike the democrats just slightly less than I dislike the republicans.  I would like to hear from more greens, libertarians, socialists, fascists, independents and otherwise to keep the debate honest and the polarization less acute.  
    The two party system has failed us and is currently the most divisive I have ever seen.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Yeah, but they aren’t evil!

    LOL

  • Anonymous

    When will you people learn the republicans stole these ideas from the democrats! Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery!

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps I misunderstood the purpose of a Comments section after an article. 

    Isn’t it to encourage robust discussion of the contents of the article, both pros and cons?  You’re a journalist;  surely you couldn’t expect that every article you write will be greeted by a chorus of hosannas.  You did note that I began by saying that you weren’t misrepresenting the truth, didn’t you?

    But journalists are human and, because of this,  bias whether intentional or not often finds its way into their work.  I merely pointed out how I perceive what you wrote.

    You did provide information in the article pointing out that Democrats also avail themselves of the same kind of outside organizations, and I used that information to make countervailing arguments to other posters.  If I were you, I would regard that as complimentary since I obviously trusted the information you provided.

    Sorry if I hurt your feelings, it certainly wasn’t my intention.

  • Anonymous

    Good points,
    model legislation doesnt necessarily mean it’s a bad thing.
    Would you agree with patom1′s point that model legislation should include the names of any special interest / lobbying group that helped write the legislation?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q4AP5EYCYRCGZGIJGWI6TLIUEA Tom

    I prefer homegrown.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DK2NSO2GYJSIRQOPYAXLKVEIA4 James

    The ALEC has nothing to do with the last election. I am a conservative democrat, and until my party gets it through it’s head that people, including me, are fed up with liberal policies, gay marriage etc, they will be on the outside looking in, and it will be well earned. From Maine to Obama land, we will get hung out to dry next November and beyond, until the DNC figures out that people have had enough of liberalism. Folks would work for Republican peanuts, rather than give in to a liberal agenda. But, the only way these bull headed folks learn, is the hard way. So, take your shoes off, roll up your pant legs and wallow around the pig pen until you finally figure it out, then come back with a real agenda.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Somehow I don’t think ALEC wanted the plebes realizing what was going on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Based on how many ALEC bills made it into the Legislature this year, it shows that the Republican majority’s best skill probably is copy/pasting text.

  • http://twitter.com/noway90 Dave B.

          I fail in seeing any problem with conservative Republicans from using ALEC in legislating conservative policy. The democrats have used many Org’s & unions in the same manner. 

         The great people of Maine sent a very clear message to Augusta “things must change”. The policies of the past have all but bankrupt not only our state but counties, local and the Federal Gov’ts.

         So in closing. If you feel this is wrong and a policy that works in another state is not right for Maine? Then you must use this same logic when a union member from Maine feels they are entitled the same pay & benefits as one in New York or California.

  • http://twitter.com/noway90 Dave B.

          I fail in seeing any problem with conservative Republicans from using ALEC in legislating conservative policy. The democrats have used many Org’s & unions in the same manner. 

         The great people of Maine sent a very clear message to Augusta “things must change”. The policies of the past have all but bankrupt not only our state but counties, local and the Federal Gov’ts.

         So in closing. If you feel this is wrong and a policy that works in another state is not right for Maine? Then you must use this same logic when a union member from Maine feels they are entitled the same pay & benefits as one in New York or California.

  • http://twitter.com/noway90 Dave B.

        I fail in seeing any problem with conservative Republicans from using ALEC in legislating conservative policy. The democrats have used many Org’s & unions in the same manner. 

         The great people of Maine sent a very clear message to Augusta “things must change”. The policies of the past have all but bankrupt not only our state but counties, local and the Federal Gov’ts.

         So in closing. If you feel this is wrong and a policy that works in another state is not right for Maine? Then you must use this same logic when a union member from Maine feels they are entitled the same pay & benefits as one in New York or California.

  • http://twitter.com/noway90 Dave B.

        I fail in seeing any problem with conservative Republicans from using ALEC in legislating conservative policy. The democrats have used many Org’s & unions in the same manner. 

         The great people of Maine sent a very clear message to Augusta “things must change”. The policies of the past have all but bankrupt not only our state but counties, local and the Federal Gov’ts.

         So in closing. If you feel this is wrong and a policy that works in another state is not right for Maine? Then you must use this same logic when a union member from Maine feels they are entitled the same pay & benefits as one in New York or California.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting article on LePage’s Koch & ALEC  puppetmasters: http://portland.thephoenix.com/news/126378-lepages-koch-brothers-connection-revealed/

    “ALEC is one of the nation’s most powerful and most secretive lobbying entities, and it focuses exclusively on state legislatures. Disguised as a non-partisan professional association for legislators, it is actually a corporate-funded mechanism to allow business interests to write their own bills without leaving fingerprints for the public and their elected representatives to see. ALEC hands out model laws to willing or naïve legislators — including some in Maine — which are drafted by secret task forces and approved by ALEC’s corporate donors, who provide virtually all of its funding. Major donors include the infamous Koch Brothers, the American Petroleum Institute, ExxonMobil, and big drug and tobacco companies. The laws seek to deregulate industry, protect the powerful from responsibility for their misdeeds, or dismantle and privatize government. Hundreds of ALEC-written laws are passed in state houses every year, usually without anyone realizing who really wrote them.”

  • Anonymous

    So many of the comments are clearly from those who support the TeaPublicans but have either not done ANY investigation of their own into ALEC, its purpose and its tactics (among other things, in order to become a member, the minimum fee is $5000, so that pretty much tells you who the organization is for), or they support the establishment of an oligarchy in the US. To those who argue that it’s just the GOP availing itself of a national  organization, you are failing to realize that all national organizations are not created equal, nor do they all share the good of the people as their primary purpose. Those lined up in lock-step behind the GOP and their cut taxes/deregulate banner FAIL to grasp the FACT that neither of those HAS EVER stimulated the economy in the past, so why woud you even think, or expect anyone else older than 25 to believe, that it will work this time? If you support the takeover of this country by the corporations, you too will be rewarded when they gain control, by a pink slip and a ticket to the bread line.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Just curious – what parts of the Democratic Platform do you support?

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Your are quite correct in not being overly critical of model legislation per se – a similar argument is used regarding firearms. But this statement of yours misses the point entirely:

    “It’s a lot better use of everyones time to access model legislation addressing issues of common concern than reinventing the wheel in each state.”

    Much of what ALEC produces addresses the concern of very few, special interests in fact. Take the now famous immigration law in Arizona, SB 1070 – are you aware that it was drafted by the for-profit prison industry under the auspices of ALEC?

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130833741

    This is the genius of the right wing noise machine: it drums up fear in the populace so as to create laws that address those “fears” from which large corporations can profit.

  • Anonymous

    If the preference is prepackaged legislation, let’s be smart and outsource the entire lot of lawmakers and save ourselves a bundle. I bet we could have India draft laws much cheaper and at a much greater rate than it cost us to have our obviously overpaid politicians paid to produce nothing.  

    Who cares if the legislation actually represents the voice of the people?

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    This quote is attributed to Mussolini:

    “The State, working hand in hand with the State’s corporations, is the essence of fascism.”

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    That is one of the strengths of a citizen legislature – that it is not made up of lawyers. That not many “have the capacity and ability to develop complicated, detailed language” doesn’t mean they don’t have ideas on how to improve Maine law – it means that don’t know the proper nomenclature to do so.

    Maine legislators send all their proposed bills – whether a rough concept or model legislation prepared by others – to the Revisor’s Office, where the folks there draft it into language that fits Maine statutes.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    The only example you provide is the use of an adjective with which you don’t agree? If you are going to make such bold claims you ought to be able to support them.

  • Anonymous

    A Depression is a sustained, long-term downturn in economic activity.  It is more severe than a recession, which is where we’re at.

    Transparency is a noun all politicians use as they smile for the cameras and lie.  The BIG problem that they have is with the truth; being open & clear with respect to their true intentions.

    THEY are more concerned about their “job” security, lobbyists, political kickback(s) & bribes.

    The majority don’t read bills before they sign them.  BUT they do know what the political kickback(s) & bribes are.

    Oh, the majority of Legislators,Congressmen & Senators are attorneys who are experts at the “transparency” game.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Such information could easily be provided by legislators and included in the summary that accompanies each bill. Transparency is a good thing.

    A bill that would require this could be introduced for the next session of the 125th Legislature that begins in January. What chance do you think it would have making it out of Republican controlled committees, let alone either house?

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    For those that want to see how a model bill from ALEC was used verbatim in Maine’s new health insurance “reform” law, see:

    http://www.dirigoblue.com/diary/3621/

  • Anonymous

    I think ALEC is the proof that reveals Republican politicans as Corporate waterboys and not the voice of the people. 

  • Anonymous

    I guess it boils down to this ..

    DO we want elected officials to be corporate waterboys or represent the voice of ALL the people?

  • Anonymous

    Nothing wrong with model legislation, as long as it is identified as such. In fact it would and should be helpful to all sides of the isle in checking out the results of such legislation in other states. Why would someone be ashamed to introduce model legislation as such if the state will benefit from said legislation?

    We often hear ‘this legislation is law in other states’. If so, who has the law benefited? Who has it hurt? Have the benefits outweighed the down side? These are questions that can be addressed in a transparent open government.

  • Anonymous

    (Not so) smart ALEC.  Get rid of (export) the carpetbaggers. Not just me who thinks that, check the poll figures (8:00 AM).

  • Anonymous

    Who paid to have the model built? Corporations writing our legislation seems like a good thing to you? “legislator’s time is better spent thinking about the pros and cons” Phew it’s good to know they do something for the pay because it’s hard to see that anything gets done due to all the thinking.

  • Anonymous

    LOL

  • Anonymous

    So now perception and opinion is a “bold claim?”

  • Anonymous

    So now perception and opinion is a “bold claim?”

  • Anonymous

    So now perception and opinion is a “bold claim?”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathaniel-Crosby/100002543132542 Nathaniel Crosby

    Did you know that Alec was followed in Portland and Augusta before LePage became Governor? So what is your response to the cities being controlled by Democrat voters and organizations?
    However, I don’t like the organization either, nor should it be allowed if we are following the US Constitution.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathaniel-Crosby/100002543132542 Nathaniel Crosby

    Did you know that Alec was followed in Portland and Augusta before LePage became Governor? So what is your response to the cities being controlled by Democrat voters and organizations?
    However, I don’t like the organization either, nor should it be allowed if we are following the US Constitution.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathaniel-Crosby/100002543132542 Nathaniel Crosby

    Did you know that Alec was followed in Portland and Augusta before LePage became Governor? So what is your response to the cities being controlled by Democrat voters and organizations?
    However, I don’t like the organization either, nor should it be allowed if we are following the US Constitution.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YAJZRSHZOYGTLTZOUREIQ7PRFY Mmmm

    great Piece!  One more example of LePage selling out Maine ot outside interests.  Very dangerous policy.  And then we have the willing sheep like Amy volk who have signed on for the ride.  Maine is a much worse place because of Lepage and Volk.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YAJZRSHZOYGTLTZOUREIQ7PRFY Mmmm

    great Piece!  One more example of LePage selling out Maine ot outside interests.  Very dangerous policy.  And then we have the willing sheep like Amy volk who have signed on for the ride.  Maine is a much worse place because of Lepage and Volk.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YAJZRSHZOYGTLTZOUREIQ7PRFY Mmmm

    great Piece!  One more example of LePage selling out Maine ot outside interests.  Very dangerous policy.  And then we have the willing sheep like Amy volk who have signed on for the ride.  Maine is a much worse place because of Lepage and Volk.

  • Anonymous

    This pre-packaging defeats the whole purpose of  maintaining separate state governments.  Maine isn’t the same as Kansas or Texas or California.

    Or maybe we’re just too damn dumb to write our own laws, back here in the puckerbrush?  Kinda insulting . . .

  • Anonymous

    This pre-packaging defeats the whole purpose of  maintaining separate state governments.  Maine isn’t the same as Kansas or Texas or California.

    Or maybe we’re just too damn dumb to write our own laws, back here in the puckerbrush?  Kinda insulting . . .

  • Anonymous

    This pre-packaging defeats the whole purpose of  maintaining separate state governments.  Maine isn’t the same as Kansas or Texas or California.

    Or maybe we’re just too damn dumb to write our own laws, back here in the puckerbrush?  Kinda insulting . . .

  • Anonymous

    As much as I’d like to see it, I can’t believe it will ever happen.  That’s too bad and your idea is a good one.

  • Anonymous

    As much as I’d like to see it, I can’t believe it will ever happen.  That’s too bad and your idea is a good one.

  • Anonymous

    As much as I’d like to see it, I can’t believe it will ever happen.  That’s too bad and your idea is a good one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathaniel-Crosby/100002543132542 Nathaniel Crosby

       I also think healthcare should not be Obama like-for 35 years we have seen healthcare be controlled by the legislature and governor to the point that we almost had single payer insurance a few years back which cost about $1100/month whereas in another state it was around $500/ month for similar coverage.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathaniel-Crosby/100002543132542 Nathaniel Crosby

       I also think healthcare should not be Obama like-for 35 years we have seen healthcare be controlled by the legislature and governor to the point that we almost had single payer insurance a few years back which cost about $1100/month whereas in another state it was around $500/ month for similar coverage.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathaniel-Crosby/100002543132542 Nathaniel Crosby

       I also think healthcare should not be Obama like-for 35 years we have seen healthcare be controlled by the legislature and governor to the point that we almost had single payer insurance a few years back which cost about $1100/month whereas in another state it was around $500/ month for similar coverage.

  • Anonymous

    One point I’d like to mention is what ALEC truly means to the Republican Party. From a candidate perspective anyone who passes the primary beauty contest is simply handed canned doctrine and legislation, no thinking necessary, just shake, and bake.

  • Anonymous

    One point I’d like to mention is what ALEC truly means to the Republican Party. From a candidate perspective anyone who passes the primary beauty contest is simply handed canned doctrine and legislation, no thinking necessary, just shake, and bake.

  • Anonymous

    One point I’d like to mention is what ALEC truly means to the Republican Party. From a candidate perspective anyone who passes the primary beauty contest is simply handed canned doctrine and legislation, no thinking necessary, just shake, and bake.

  • Anonymous

     I’m surprised that there is any discussion regarding this idea.  I feel that the Congress of the U.S. is bought and paid for by lobbyists.  It seems to me that the moneyed interests and the corporations have members of both parties in their pockets.  I think that neither the Republicans nor the Democrats have the interests of the general population in mind.  If you don’t believe me keep an eye on how money is being spent in D.C. where it comes from and to whom it goes.  Then check the sources of that money that is being donated to political campaigns.  Then discover on which congressional committees those recipients sit. Finally, check on their voting records.  As the former Speaker of the State Legislature of California, Jesse Unrhu, said, “Money is the mother’s milk of politics.”

  • Anonymous

    I’ll take onion rings with my next law.

  • Anonymous

    I was hot here when same day registration cane into existance, I was in the military, but if anyone wants to look into the beginnings of the legislation I expect that the legislation came from somewhere besides Maine

  • Anonymous

    ALEC, ACORN, all the same thing.  People from away messing with Maine.

  • Anonymous

     ”the infamous Koch brothers?”   aren’t they?

  • Anonymous

    I figure that armadillos are gonna show up in the next set of hunting regulations.

  • Anonymous

    This would be a great idea as long as it is not used for political gain by the progressives. But like almost any legislation meant to lower political influence a way around it will be found, if it is not crafted into the law.

  • Anonymous

    Only to those suffering from Koch Derangement Syndrome.

  • Anonymous

     It’s dishonest no matter who does it.  And when a party claims to be for the people of Maine and not beholden to special interests, but takes their marching orders from a special interest its doubly dishonest.  Think of Charlie Webster’s crusade.  Is he really all about integrity in Maine elections – or only as defined by the now infamous brothers Koch?

    Democrats don’t seem to be much better – how long has organized labor owned them?  But at least they made no attempt to hide the fact.  Webster tells outright lies and Rosen evades a simple question.  And they were so worried about ACORN’s influence. 

  • Anonymous

    The same could be said of most every national group, and I suspect many instate groups too.

  • Anonymous

    Do you think that any Democrat would want to disclose that legislation he/she introduced  was really crafted by  MoveOn, Democratic Socialists of America , National Stonewall Democrats, or even the AFL/CIO?

  • Anonymous

    I thought our elected officials where to represent all of the people. So now instead of those who we’ve elected we have corporations writing legislation?

    I fail to see how you fail to see how disguising democracy in this manner can only be blatant corporatism.

  • Anonymous

    Does that go for Obama and his cabal of nincompoops too?

  • Anonymous

    IAW you?

  • Anonymous

    I think that there are plenty of fascists and nazis here, I want to be the only one.

    I have been accused of being both often enough, so I must be. :-<

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nathaniel-Crosby/100002543132542 Nathaniel Crosby

       Well, you may be wrong. I was voting a few years ago in a town and I heard a couple say to each other(as they were looking at the bulletin board)-”shall we vote?”, and the other said, “No, let’s wait until it clears”, then I heard them go up to the registered list of voters . The officials asked for their names and they said they just moved into town and wanted to vote. So the officials told them to be sure to keep up the registration and they could vote. It’s a small town and I have not seen them since.

  • Anonymous

    Any group that has an opinion can be labeled as Pro ___ or Anti____.

    For instance abortion rights advocates could also be referred to as pro abortion, which has been called pejorative.

    I find your reference to the Tea Party as being pro NWO to be ridiculous. if any thing they seem to be anti NWO.

    Over the past hundred years or so the progressive Democrats have been pushing more one world government legislation than the Republicans, not that they were not responsible for their fair share.

    The Tea Party seems to be against allowing the US to be pushed further into the NWO/socialist/elitist, predominantly European, model of government. Are they being lead down the garden path, possibly, but the liberals have been lead down a different path leading to the same garden for a long time

  • Anonymous

    I think that people should have more voting rights when it comes to laws that affect us all. We should have more say in any new laws that are introduced and legislators should always do what the majority of voters rules fit.

    Legislators should be required by the people to disclose any and all source(s) of new legislation.

    Also, lobbyists should be outlawed. Our legislators should listen to the people they work for and nobody else, but that would never happen because we all know the lobbyists have the most money to buy and influence our politicians.

  • Anonymous

    Many in our government “don’t care who the Party is as long as they do what they tell them to do!”

    While they prefer to be in power the Progressives in both parties plan to end up with  a NWO.

  • Anonymous

    Our legislators often listen to the people they work for, and you are right, that’s the problem. As for having more say in passage of laws, one can always badger one’s representative, attend and testify at hearings, write letters and all the rest of it. It takes time, information and some money to see to it, three things not everyone has. Lobbying is a first amendment guarantee, just as my right to buttonhole my legislator. If I think he or she is  bought and paid for by some special interest detrimental to the public good,  I’ve got no choice to make that work come election time. 

  • Anonymous

    In that statement note that he said “State’s corporations” which would lead me to believe that the State already owned the corporations.

    No matter how you define nazis, fascists, or communist government thet are all totalitarian in nature and therefor evil.

  • Anonymous

    Can you be more specific?

    Who or what “Sounds like a whole bunch of pecksniffian jabberwocky.”?

  • Anonymous

    I assume that Demorats have the same problem with their financial backers too.

  • Anonymous

    This is the same “Phoenix” that has advertisements for  prostitutes?

  • Anonymous

    Your real decision is do we want our government listen to ANY special interest groups or do we want our government listening to the people.

    More importlantly do we really want progressives of any sort to screw up the government?

  • Anonymous

    Look up the history of “liberals”, especially in the US, and then look at the “Progressives” of the late 1800′s. Then compare the two and see which is now the “Democrats”.

    Ronald Reagan once said “I did not leave the Democratic Party, they left me.” I think you will find that this statement has merit.

  • Anonymous

    ALEC is proof the entire Republican agenda is corporate driven. Our state elected Republican politicians are acting on legislation handed to them by corporate interests. In addition to acting on these outside interests they have signed agreements with non-constituents that bind them in writing not to raise taxes. Even as their local infrastructures crumble and becomes unusable they refuse to act in the interest of districts they represent. It’s all too evident they have little to no interests in being responsible to the people who have elected them into office.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe he has just believed their lies.

  • Anonymous

    Dear me. I hope no politicians or ministers read the Phoenix. Plenty of them have already been found to have relations with prostitutes.

  • Anonymous

    Does this mean that Demorats are watercarriers for the likes of SOSP, MoveOn, the Tides Foundation, ActBlue, Open Society Institute  or Catalist? these are all funded by George Soros.

    Refer to the website below:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/23/section-527-works-to-seat-liberals-as-election-ove/

  • Anonymous

    You would prefer 527 organizations?

    Democracy Alliance members who gave to SOSP include furniture company heir John R. Hunting; computer company executive Paul Rudd; medical-supply firm heiress Pat Stryker; venture capitalist Nicholas Hanauer; ex-Clinton administration official Rob Stein; Tides Foundation founder Drummond Pike; real estate developer Robert Bowditch; charitable foundation co-chairman Scott Wallace; clothing executive Susie Tompkins Buell; real estate developer Albert Dwoskin; child psychologist Gail Furman; and Taco Bell heir Rob McKay.

  • Noah

    Ah, Plutocracy.  How the mission’s tentacles enfold each state government across the country.

    We’ve seen it in Michigan and other states, and it’s very apparent that legislation is being scripted for Maine republican t party members, too.

    Big money and its inherent power motivates all politicians.  Its ultimate goal is to strip workers of their rights ot negotiate for fair wages, cut their pensions and medical care.

    Plutocracy is simply the rich for the rich and to hell with the rest of you.

  • Anonymous

    Does that include many of the wealthy individuals that moved here to getaway from the problems  in the cities and then worked hard to bring the problems here.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, we have been following policies that have not worked anywhere for decades.

  • Anonymous

    And the Tides Foundation is proof that the Democrats are driven by Socialists?

    Turn about is fair play right.

  • Anonymous

    As I have said before, vote out any office holder that has been in office for more than two term, and make the special interest groups pay to buy new politicians

  • Anonymous

    One of the more interesting aspects of this is that the entire effort seemed directed towards protecting corporations. Very little was done or even suggested by the Republicans to help the peasantry in any way. One of the more staggering examples of just how little they care about the actual people, and….how far they will go to protect corporate interests was the fact that they did not allow LD-145 to even get to the floor for a vote in the House.

    And what was LD-145? Ah, it was a bill that said if you want to foreclose on a Maine homeowner, you have to show the court the signed mortgage, in essence, show proof that this person actually has a mortgage with you. ….Yeah. This might inconvenience Bank of America…so….

    forget any idea of illegal foreclosures happening here. All foreclosures are now legal in Maine even if the bank foreclosing has no proof whatsoever that you had or have a mortgage with them.

    Open for business? These guys ensured that Maine is wide open for real estate fraud…..and the legislature will wholeheartedly support whatever you want to do, or whoever’s house you’d like to confiscate.

  • Anonymous

    Show me where the Tides Foundation has even attempted to change the legislative landscape in Maine…  You guys with your “Well They do it too” .  This is indefensible.  The Tides Foundation is not directly involved with writing model legislation.  Most of their activity is internationally focused.  There is no reasonable comparison between Tides and ALEC.  They do not collect money from corporations to spend writing laws to benefit them.

    If the lobbyists aren’t enough these days, the corporations need to write the laws they want enacted in the states.  This is an abdication of responsibility to the people.  This is a corporate attack on the government and the process of lawmaking in a democracy. 

    And socialists?  well okay you are one of those who don’t even understand the words you write.  America is as far from Socialism as about any country on the planet. 

  • Anonymous

    What has ACORN done in Maine?  I know in VT they ran the AIDS service organizations to assist the afflicted there.  What about here?  I trust you have some real stories to relate, not just repeating Rush without any actual knowledge, right?

  • Anonymous

    attack the poster if they make a good argument, right larry?

  • Anonymous

    I laugh thinking about the GOP’s stand for states’ rights. How can the GOP honestly claim they’re for states’ rights when they obviously prefer uniform laws which are reminiscent of a stronger central government?

  • Anonymous

    I am a democrat because the republican party I once supported left me.  They have become the party of hypocrisy.  “We are the party of the constitution” when they want to change much of it, “we are the party of Christians” when they support the rich and disenfranchise the poor, “we are conservative” when they conserve nothing; “we are the real patriots” when they send our troops into harm to further an ideological aim.”  I believe in fiscal sanity.  I believe in personal responsibility.  These used to be republican ideals.  No more. 

    The republican party is the party of the wealthy, the uneducated, and the easily mislead. 

    This party has lost its mind.  It stands for absolutely nothing.

  • Anonymous

    The Tides Foundation is just a funnel/cutout for George Soros to fund hundreds of 527 groups. It is also a corporation.

    Here is a news source that explains it so that even you might be able to understand.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/23/section-527-works-to-seat-liberals-as-election-ove/

    If you think I am wrong about Socialists read the Communist Manefesto and remember that Marx and Engles said that Socialism is just a step towards Communism.

  • Anonymous

    In no way was I attacking the poster. I questioned the source. Attacking posters here is never ending.

  • Anonymous

    If it was the law then they would have to disclose their source or sources just like anyone else. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

  • Anonymous

    Progressives. Now there is an interesting word. Does that mean that their opposites are regressives?

  • Anonymous

    Your post is very confusing, the Democrats are the party of fiscal sanity? the party of responsibility? not the party of hypocrisy?

    You then state “The republican party is the party of the wealthy, the uneducated, and the easily mislead.” Which seems a little ludicrous, how does an uneducated, gullible person become wealthy? 

    Your last statement was ludicrous as well. First you infer they stand for all the evil in the world and then state “It stands for absolutely nothing.”

    Let us all hope that you find sanity somewhere.

  • Regular Joe

    I”m glad you posted the NPR link.  I remember both NPR stories when they were broadcast and I’m really glad ALEC has been put in the spotlight here.

  • Anonymous

    N I think that means that they are progressing toward something if done all at once would cause a violent revolt. They are deceptive and dangerous traitors.

  • Anonymous

    It would just cause the creation of some other “work around”, which the Democrats are very adept at.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t the NWO just a wacko conspriracy theory, really ?
    Nice to know the Tea Party takes a position on them … which while the rank and file think it’s one thing, it’s actually the opposite.

    What’s grassroots or a change about highly organized corporate lobbying ?

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t the NWO just a wacko conspriracy theory, really ?
    Nice to know the Tea Party takes a position on them … which while the rank and file think it’s one thing, it’s actually the opposite.

    What’s grassroots or a change about highly organized corporate lobbying ?

  • Anonymous

    The Dept of Homeland Security, no matter how you define nazi or totalitatian is big government spying on the American people, too, huh ?  

  • Anonymous

    There’s nothing funny about having our laws written by international multi-trillionaire organizations. I for one think it’s an Act of War against the American people and should be investigated, prosecuted, and extinguished as such, starting with freezing all the assets of all the organizations involved. In fact it’s the only war we belong involved in right now.

  • Anonymous

    There’s nothing funny about having our laws written by international multi-trillionaire organizations. I for one think it’s an Act of War against the American people and should be investigated, prosecuted, and extinguished as such, starting with freezing all the assets of all the organizations involved. In fact it’s the only war we belong involved in right now.

  • Anonymous

    of course some do, but the R’s are the real pros.

  • Anonymous

    as far as Socialism goes I’d far prefer it over Fascism, which is what ALEC represents. You need to read the 14 points of Fascism then you will realize what street the Republicans are goose-stepping down. If you wanta get all “Kremlin-ly” don’t forget this bit – “Fascism is capitalism in decay” — Vladimir Lenin

  • Anonymous

    and who screwed up World during the eight l o n g  years when that pseudo – cowboy from Texas was “acting” as President?

  • Anonymous

    and who screwed up World during the eight l o n g  years when that pseudo – cowboy from Texas was “acting” as President?

  • Anonymous

    and who screwed up World during the eight l o n g  years when that pseudo – cowboy from Texas was “acting” as President?

  • Anonymous

    and who screwed up World during the eight l o n g  years when that pseudo – cowboy from Texas was “acting” as President?

  • Anonymous

    and who screwed up World during the eight l o n g  years when that pseudo – cowboy from Texas was “acting” as President?

  • Anonymous

    and who screwed up World during the eight l o n g  years when that pseudo – cowboy from Texas was “acting” as President?

  • Anonymous

    and who screwed up World during the eight l o n g  years when that pseudo – cowboy from Texas was “acting” as President?

  • Anonymous

    ALEC, by its very nature is un-democratic; for such an organization, where power follows money, to wield disproportionate power over institutions sworn to represent all people (read: rich AND poor) is a travesty.  

    Citizens of any and all political persuasions should be outraged and fight back furiously…!

  • Anonymous

    It does not make a nickels worth of difference whether you call it the New World Order, One World Government, corporate control of the world … they are all basically the same thing.

    It is all about one or another group of people that believe that they are better
    than everyone else and should control the lesser beings. We are now seeing
    different groups joining together believing that when they take over they can then subjugate their allies.

    This concept can be easily seen in the Middle East now; militant Muslims have joined with various Communist groups and have overthrown governments in the Middle East. I personally think the governments needed to be removed, but will the people left after the revolutions be better off?

    This is not a new thing; it has been going on for most of human history .

  • Anonymous

    And who paid for Mr. Cushing’s trip to the ALEC convention? I am hoping not the taxpayers of Maine. Or was it an all expenses paid trip? Paid by who? ALEC offers ‘scholarships’. Did Mr. Cushing receive one? I hope readers will read some of the ‘model bills’ and be on the watch for them popping up in Maine, especially those that would “privatize” public services that care for our most vulernable populations. They are not cared for well from the research I have done. After all, the private companies want to make a profit. Oh, and be on the watch for something called an economic ombudsman bill that would prevent investigations into such private enterprises by state workers and would protect the ombudsman from any prosecution.

  • Anonymous

    ALEC is not a lobbying group. They write and hand legislation they want passed to our legislators and there is no public accounting of their activities. There are over 800 ‘model bills’. Check out the corps who are members. Look like responsible, do the right thing companies? How many offer more full time jobs than part time? How many pay a living wage? How many pay huge amounts to pay as little in taxes as they can? Are these the businesses we want in Maine? And, when such influence becomes local, we locals can do something about it.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you Rexican for getting distortions out in the open.

  • Anonymous

    Not only does DHS spy on the American people, they also perform other illegal operations (example: Operation Fast and Furious), blatantly interfere with our right to travel, infringe on our first and second Amendment rights …

    These are all actions of a totalitarian government. If we don’t stop it while we can, our children and grandchildren will suffer the same bleak existence as most of the people in the world.

  • Anonymous

    On January 5, 2011 Republicans introduced The Enumerated Powers Act of 2011 which requires that any bill introduced cite its specific Constitutional authority.  It’s currently in committee.

    What a concept, huh?

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-125

  • Anonymous

    OK, have it your own way, the Demorats are saints. Live in your own crazy world.

  • Anonymous

    Socialism and fascism are both totalitarian my choice is liberty.

    Lenin was crazy and his revolution lead to the inevitable excesses of Stalin. 

  • Anonymous

    “If … they would have to disclose their source or sources … What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.”  

    Is a fine point that suggests that then we might actually know what any group like ALEC agenda really is by patterns in the evidence.

    Why isn’t a organization that writes laws subject to being judged politically just as a political party is by their platform, by their agenda ?

    Who’s hiding what they want the government for them, and why ?

  • Anonymous

    How well does logic work around your partisanship ?

  • Anonymous

    Hate Bush all you want, but the US and the world have been going to hell in a handbasket for at least a century.

  • Anonymous

    “This would be a great idea as long as it is not used for political gain by the progressives.”

    As opposed to the semi-secret, corporate sponsered system being used to do what,  currently ?

    ROTFLOL

  • Anonymous

    I am not really partisan, I dislike  Democrats, Republicans and most of their loudmouth mindless hangers on.

  • Anonymous

    “Progressives. Now there is an interesting word. Does that mean that their opposites are regressives?”      

    LOL

    It is like how I always wonder what wackoes, who condemn people for being intellectuals, are.

    But technically, I believe that they should be called reactionaries.

    It fits perfectly with that traditional American values thing, that they so dearly love,
    and the reality of that meaning returning to values,  like the Jim Crowe Laws,
    which were still in effect in many of the commenter’s lifetime, so really might well be their traditional American values, still.

    So it goes.   

  • Anonymous

    So why not question ALEC,  as it the new source of the Laws of Maine ?
    Who are it sponsers ?

    What sort of prostitutes are funding your approved conservative source ?

  • Anonymous

    So is your best defence REALLY that the GOTea Party is not very much  worse than those no good Democratic traitors, Larry  ?

    LOL

  • Anonymous

    So when did you get confused about which side of the on going American Revolution you are on, Larry ?

  • Anonymous

    First, it wasn’t a defense.  I have no problem with either side availing themselves of useful tools. 

    I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the left’s getting all exercised over the right doing the same thing they do.

    And, who’s “Larry?”

  • Anonymous

    Like the Bush Tax Cut for the wealthy  ?

    Why hasn’t it created jobs, yet ?
    Do you really expect to do the same thing over and over again and get different results, Larry ?

  • Anonymous

    I do not trust ALEC, If I can’t find original sources, I don’t trust the source. I have however found many aources that can be relied on to distort almost everything.

  • Anonymous

    Since I got out of high school some 40 years ago I’ve known which side I was on.

    I haven’t found a Party that I can agree with, the libertarians come the closet, When I vote I usually have to chose between the least disgusting candidate.

    When did you come to the conclusion that you liked where ths US has been doing over the last Century?

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