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Home schooling in Maine: ‘Children don’t stop learning, so you don’t stop teaching’

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Abigail Kohlstrom, 4, of Camden runs out of the marshy area where she was looking for frogs with a group of home-schooled children during Raylene Hunt's (top) weekly home-school nature study group at her Camden Home. Hunt offers the classes to home schooling parents in the area who want to continue their childrens' education through the summer. Abigail and her two brothers all come to the weekly classes because their mother likes the hands-on teaching method.
Abigail Kohlstrom, 4, of Camden runs out of the marshy area where she was looking for frogs with a group of home-schooled children during Raylene Hunt's (top) weekly home-school nature study group at her Camden Home. Hunt offers the classes to home schooling parents in the area who want to continue their childrens' education through the summer. Abigail and her two brothers all come to the weekly classes because their mother likes the hands-on teaching method.
Raylene Hunt (second from right) helps her son Matthew (right) out of the mud where he got stuck while looking for frogs during their weekly home-school nature study group at her Camden Home. Hunt offers the classes to home schooling parents in the area who want to continue their childrens' education through the summer. Also pictured are Samuel Kohlstrom (left) and  Jordan Overlock.
Raylene Hunt (second from right) helps her son Matthew (right) out of the mud where he got stuck while looking for frogs during their weekly home-school nature study group at her Camden Home. Hunt offers the classes to home schooling parents in the area who want to continue their childrens' education through the summer. Also pictured are Samuel Kohlstrom (left) and Jordan Overlock.

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HOPE, Maine — Kathy and Ed Green tried to enroll their oldest daughter in kindergarten in 1981, but back then, the town of Hope didn’t have a kindergarten. The closest school that did was far away, so the couple decided to give home schooling a try.

Thirty years ago the Greens were one of only 10 families registered as home-schoolers with the Maine Department of Education. From the early 1990s to 2005, the number of registered home-schooled children steadily rose by 200 to 300 each year. Since 2005, the total has remained fairly steady, fluctuating between 4,700 and nearly 5,000 home-schooled children.

There are no documented reasons so many parents have chosen to home-school their kids, or why that method of education grew so rapidly before plateauing at its current level. It could be because of the advent of the Internet and the increased availability of home-school lesson plans, educators say. Or it might be because as home schooling has become more popular, it seems less strange.

“Learning is just a way of life for them. It’s ongoing, every day,” Kathy Green said. That includes during the summer months when public school students are enjoying vacation.

“Children don’t stop learning, so you don’t stop teaching, basically,” she said.

Taking a break from home schooling is like taking a break from eating, added her husband.

“It’s just how you live. We don’t think of it as school — it’s just part of the day. And the kids like it because they can ask ‘Why is the sky blue?’ and they know we’ll take the time to explain or help them find out,” Ed Green said as several of his grandchildren in bathing suits played and hollered in his yard. One youngster held a baby goat.

The Greens founded Homeschoolers of Maine, a volunteer-run nonprofit organization to help other parents with home schooling. The organization helps assess students, host conferences and put together home-schooling newsletters. They also help the growing number of people interested in trying home schooling.

With the children’s education continuing through the summer, there are no lapses in learning, the Greens point out, and learning isn’t boring.

For instance, Ed Green said, his grandchildren recently saw some chipmunks and got curious. When the children asked how chipmunks lived, Ed Green handed them a nature book. The children then wrote up a report on chipmunks.

“Did you know they can burrow holes up to 12 feet long? I didn’t know that,” he said.

Matthew Hunt probably did. His home schooling is based largely in the woods near his home. Matthew, 11, lives up the road from the Greens, on the outskirts of Camden. While he uses textbooks for his math and reading classes, usually his learning is driven by his curiosity. And his curiosity seems to focus on nature, according to his mom.

“At the end of a hard day Matthew will ask, ‘Would that have been schoolwork?’” said his mom, Raylene Hunt.

Hunt started home schooling 11 years ago when her other child, Helen, was 8. Her family was going through a transition and they had moved several times. Rather than bouncing Helen through at least four school districts that year, she decided to try home schooling. After all, she has a degree in early childhood education and already had worked as a teacher.

“We thought it would give our lives some stability,” Raylene Hunt said as she sat on her porch recently, several small children running around her. Hunt now runs a day care from her home while she teaches son Matthew and helps Helen, now 19, prepare for college.

“I liked it so much with Helen, I decided I should keep doing it,” she said.

Helen liked it too, although she said it was a tough transition because she had been through a few years of public school by the time she started home schooling. The 8-year-old liked the idea of sitting still and having structured lesson plans every day. So that’s what she and her mom did. As in public school, they set goals, read chapters from textbooks and answered quiz questions at the end of chapters.

Since then, textbook and lesson plan companies have reduced their prices and the books are more available. For Hunt, the Internet has helped her teach Matthew. Her older daughter might have had to wait for a book from the library to answer research questions. Matthew can Google it.

It’s unclear how many home-schoolers like Matthew work through the summer. Maine’s Department of Education doesn’t keep records on that. In fact, the department keeps few records on home-schoolers — just who is being taught, the child’s age and a file of yearly assessments.

For her own record keeping with the state, Hunt keeps a tally of the days she works with her son. She’s required to teach him for 175 days. They probably do more like 350, Hunt said.

The 175-day requirement is one of very few by statute in Maine. To home-school, a parent must notify the state, teach the child for at least 175 days a year, teach the child the basic classes (English, math, science, social studies, physical education, health, library skills, fine arts, Maine studies and computer skills) and assess the child annually. The parents can show the Department of Education that they have assessed their child by presenting a standardized test, a project, or a review by a local governing board or certified teacher.

The mandatory yearly assessment is submitted to the state, but the children do not have to show annual progress or prove they are learning at a certain level. Hypothetically, the child could be “failing” by public school standards, according to David Connerty-Marin, who works for the Maine Department of Education.

Home schooling was more regulated in the past and more documentation was required, but parents complained that the process was cumbersome and unnecessary. So in 2003, state legislators changed the Maine statutes to simplify the process to only a few reporting requirements.

“We don’t have someone over the microscope dissecting their work. The state acknowledges and respects the parents’ right to school their children,” said the Department of Education’s Edwin “Buzz” Kastuck.

Hunt doesn’t worry much about the exact tracking of every skill Matthew picks up. As long as he’s making progress, she’s happy. She doesn’t worry about him knowing everything that will be on the SAT if he ever wants to take it.

“I’m more concerned that they can add, subtract, multiply, divide and balance a checkbook than that they know geometry or algebra. Once you know how to learn, you can learn anything,” she said.

To make sure she and Matthew are on track, she meets with a group of eight home-schooling families. The group, which is organized as a nonapproved private school, has one leader who monitors all of the children to make sure they’re learning.

There, Matthew gets to socialize with other children. He also plays with the other children in his neighborhood after public school gets out. Matthew has gone to summer camps and is part of a church, so his mom doesn’t worry about his socialization. According to educators, many home-schoolers take advantage of community programs that keep them in contact with their peers.

Weighing the value of a home education against a public school education is difficult since there is little comparable data.

“Some go to college, some go into the military, some go to work after they’re done,” Kastuck said based on anecdotal information he has heard in his years in the department.

According to the University of Maine’s admissions director, Sharon Oliver, many of Maine’s home-schoolers who apply to the university are well-rounded and well-prepared.

Oliver looks for a few things from home-schooled college applicants. They must take the Scholastic Aptitude Test, the most widely used college admission exam in the U.S. They also either must provide a transcript with course descriptions and grades or they must take a General Educational Development exam to show they’ve earned the equivalent of a high school diploma.

“A lot of times home-schoolers are very well-prepared for college. You see the whole gamut, just like you do for public schools, but most home-school curricula are thorough and [the students] take advantage of things around them, like community college,” Oliver said.

Home-schoolers frequently apply to UMaine with a few college courses already on their transcripts, Oliver said.

Oliver didn’t have exact numbers, but said home-schoolers make up a good amount of UMaine students. Their numbers on the university campus have increased over the past 25 years or so, she said.

“I think home-schooling families are very concerned about the education of their children,” Oliver said. “We see some very creative, curious learners come out of the home-school environment, and they do well here.”

On average, home schooling costs about $500 a year, Homeschoolers of Maine estimates, based on curriculum costs only. That’s compared to about $9,600 annually per student in Maine’s public schools, according to Maine Department of Education numbers.

People like Hunt and Kathy Green give up full-time incomes to be full-time parents, but the Greens argue that it’s more likely people who would be stay-at-home parents anyway choose to home-school. Home-schooling parents also still pay local taxes if they own land, and therefore are paying for public education even if the child doesn’t attend local schools.

Home schooling is a welcome mix in Maine education, Kastuck said.

“Any way we can get people to work with kids to pass on the passion of learning and how to help them survive, we’re for it. There is no one way for any one child,” Kastuck said. “I think everybody is seeking ways to improve education in our society. What the heck. What do we have to lose?”

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  • Anonymous

    Well-written article.  Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    Our son was tested in 3rd grade, 7th grade level in mathematics.   He was a well behaved kid so teachers used him to babysit the worst kids in class.  He started having trouble in school.  We tested him again at the end of 7th grade.  He STILL tested the same level!!  We home schooled him, and he took the same type test one year later by the same tester in the same room.  He tested 12+ in math…  By the time he was 15 he was taking Pre-Calc.     Went back to public school for 6 months so he could get a diploma and graduated at 16.    

    I always said, “No child left Behind”, is politically correct jargon for, “No Child allowed to go ahead”.  

  • Anonymous

    Our son was tested in 3rd grade, 7th grade level in mathematics.   He was a well behaved kid so teachers used him to babysit the worst kids in class.  He started having trouble in school.  We tested him again at the end of 7th grade.  He STILL tested the same level!!  We home schooled him, and he took the same type test one year later by the same tester in the same room.  He tested 12+ in math…  By the time he was 15 he was taking Pre-Calc.     Went back to public school for 6 months so he could get a diploma and graduated at 16.    

    I always said, “No child left Behind”, is politically correct jargon for, “No Child allowed to go ahead”.  

  • Anonymous

    Our son was tested in 3rd grade, 7th grade level in mathematics.   He was a well behaved kid so teachers used him to babysit the worst kids in class.  He started having trouble in school.  We tested him again at the end of 7th grade.  He STILL tested the same level!!  We home schooled him, and he took the same type test one year later by the same tester in the same room.  He tested 12+ in math…  By the time he was 15 he was taking Pre-Calc.     Went back to public school for 6 months so he could get a diploma and graduated at 16.    

    I always said, “No child left Behind”, is politically correct jargon for, “No Child allowed to go ahead”.  

  • Anonymous

    Our son was tested in 3rd grade, 7th grade level in mathematics.   He was a well behaved kid so teachers used him to babysit the worst kids in class.  He started having trouble in school.  We tested him again at the end of 7th grade.  He STILL tested the same level!!  We home schooled him, and he took the same type test one year later by the same tester in the same room.  He tested 12+ in math…  By the time he was 15 he was taking Pre-Calc.     Went back to public school for 6 months so he could get a diploma and graduated at 16.    

    I always said, “No child left Behind”, is politically correct jargon for, “No Child allowed to go ahead”.  

  • Erin Casey

    “It’s just how you live. We don’t think of it as school — it’s just part of the day. And the kids like it because they can ask ‘Why is the sky blue?’ and they know we’ll take the time to explain or help them find out,” Ed Green said 
    Guess what? Even those of us with children in regular schools have kids who ask us why the sky is blue! And here’s an even bigger kicker, those of us with kids in public school take the time to explain or help our kids find out too! This isn’t a phenomenon only among homeschoolers. 

  • Anonymous

    LOL…defensive much?  Too bad you have to send your kids away from home every day when these folks, according to you, achieve the very same education for their kids, if  not better, and get to be with them for a much greater amount of time. 

    So Erin, why is the sky blue?  Let me guess, it’s a reflection of the ocean, LOL!    

  • Erin Casey

    I am not defensive – merely pointing out that those who don’t homeschool can accomplish the same things. I have many homeschooling friends, and have nothing against it. To each their own. I have a special needs child who highly benefits from everything that school offers him – it’s not something I could provide at home and am more than willing to publicly say that – I do not feel qualified to provide the education he needs with his special needs. But I do feel confident enough to be able to answer those kinds of questions that come every day – such as “why is the sky blue?”

  • Anonymous

    Mentioned these parents also have to pay school taxes….they can also take advantage of school sponsored activities or classes…. just thought I should mention the value they continue to receive. Many home schoolers also use the buildings and other facilities for group meetings, and activities. 

  • Anonymous

      The article doesn’t say YOU have to do it, it’s another choice for parents.  Most of grew up thinking that there was only one way to educate a child.  We shouldn’t feel  defensive on how we choose to educate our children.  Some parents choose public education, others private  or charter and some homeschool.  Ed and Kathy Green are great role models for homeschooling parents and parents in general.

  • Anonymous

      The article doesn’t say YOU have to do it, it’s another choice for parents.  Most of grew up thinking that there was only one way to educate a child.  We shouldn’t feel  defensive on how we choose to educate our children.  Some parents choose public education, others private  or charter and some homeschool.  Ed and Kathy Green are great role models for homeschooling parents and parents in general.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001043479861 Amy Daley

    You have written an excellent article that captures the essence of “why” so many of us choose to do so.  We can and DO provide a better education for our children that is personalized to their interests and needs.  We do it out of our own pockets, and do not get tax credits, etc.  Why?  We love our children and feel that it is our obligation to give them a quality education without the constraints of fitting into a pre-determined cohort based on a tax map or political boundary.  We can also pick and choose what we want our kids to learn.  Our curriculum doesn’t have to be “politically correct” nor is it chosen to kick money back into a school system or follow a political agenda.    I was really glad to see you address the issue of socialization, as our kids are usually better socialized to all ages.  The number one question I usually hear when people find out our daughter is homeschooled is, “but how does she get socialization?”  Finally, I would add that in addition to homeschool groups, parents who homeschool should really join the HSLDA.  It gives them a national network to rely upon in the event that an overzealous administrator or school official tries to force enrollment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001043479861 Amy Daley

    You have written an excellent article that captures the essence of “why” so many of us choose to do so.  We can and DO provide a better education for our children that is personalized to their interests and needs.  We do it out of our own pockets, and do not get tax credits, etc.  Why?  We love our children and feel that it is our obligation to give them a quality education without the constraints of fitting into a pre-determined cohort based on a tax map or political boundary.  We can also pick and choose what we want our kids to learn.  Our curriculum doesn’t have to be “politically correct” nor is it chosen to kick money back into a school system or follow a political agenda.    I was really glad to see you address the issue of socialization, as our kids are usually better socialized to all ages.  The number one question I usually hear when people find out our daughter is homeschooled is, “but how does she get socialization?”  Finally, I would add that in addition to homeschool groups, parents who homeschool should really join the HSLDA.  It gives them a national network to rely upon in the event that an overzealous administrator or school official tries to force enrollment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001043479861 Amy Daley

    Public school curriculum is designed for the “AVERAGE” kid.  50% of the class does fine with the curriculum, but the gifted students are bored off their rockers and the kids who need help have special ed… BUT what motivation is in public schools to help our children see beyond average?  We have none in our district.  They can’t afford a G/T teacher and the SpEd teachers are still provisionally certified because it is cheaper to hire them for two years and get newer ones later, so they don’t have to pay up the scale for quality and experience. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001043479861 Amy Daley

    This is NOT true.  We home school in Washington County and do not have access to the school or extra classes because the local principal has made policies that prohibit home school kids from attending.  Yes, it against the law, but we live in a small community.  We can take our daughter to another town, but this costs us as well.  So we pay taxes and our childrens’ homeschool costs.  We pay twice and get no incentives or tax credits.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001043479861 Amy Daley

    This is NOT true.  We home school in Washington County and do not have access to the school or extra classes because the local principal has made policies that prohibit home school kids from attending.  Yes, it against the law, but we live in a small community.  We can take our daughter to another town, but this costs us as well.  So we pay taxes and our childrens’ homeschool costs.  We pay twice and get no incentives or tax credits.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001043479861 Amy Daley

    This is NOT true.  We home school in Washington County and do not have access to the school or extra classes because the local principal has made policies that prohibit home school kids from attending.  Yes, it against the law, but we live in a small community.  We can take our daughter to another town, but this costs us as well.  So we pay taxes and our childrens’ homeschool costs.  We pay twice and get no incentives or tax credits.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001043479861 Amy Daley

    This is NOT true.  We home school in Washington County and do not have access to the school or extra classes because the local principal has made policies that prohibit home school kids from attending.  Yes, it against the law, but we live in a small community.  We can take our daughter to another town, but this costs us as well.  So we pay taxes and our childrens’ homeschool costs.  We pay twice and get no incentives or tax credits.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001043479861 Amy Daley

    This is NOT true.  We home school in Washington County and do not have access to the school or extra classes because the local principal has made policies that prohibit home school kids from attending.  Yes, it against the law, but we live in a small community.  We can take our daughter to another town, but this costs us as well.  So we pay taxes and our childrens’ homeschool costs.  We pay twice and get no incentives or tax credits.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001043479861 Amy Daley

    This is NOT true.  We home school in Washington County and do not have access to the school or extra classes because the local principal has made policies that prohibit home school kids from attending.  Yes, it against the law, but we live in a small community.  We can take our daughter to another town, but this costs us as well.  So we pay taxes and our childrens’ homeschool costs.  We pay twice and get no incentives or tax credits.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001043479861 Amy Daley

    This is NOT true.  We home school in Washington County and do not have access to the school or extra classes because the local principal has made policies that prohibit home school kids from attending.  Yes, it against the law, but we live in a small community.  We can take our daughter to another town, but this costs us as well.  So we pay taxes and our childrens’ homeschool costs.  We pay twice and get no incentives or tax credits.

  • http://www.facebook.com/amoffatt Annapurna Moffatt

    As a twenty-three-year-old former homeschooler who was taught at home until she left for art college in ’09 (I’m a mature student), I’ve noticed how homeschooling has become more mainstream in the last two decades. When I was little, it was still not quite mainstream, and homeschooled kids were looked at as unusual, sheltered and unsocialized, when really the opposite is true. We’re the ones out exploring the world while our traditionally-schooled peers are cooped up in school. Now, for the most part, homeschoolers are seen as what they are: normal kids, who just happen to learn at home.

    As I said previously, I’m now a college student. College is a big step for anyone–whether homeschooled or traditionally schooled–but minus the stress due to a mountain of assignments (which affects all students), and adjusting to my college and it’s expectations, I’ve enjoyed the experience–especially this past year, my first as a photography major (the year before that was the foundation year, which gives the students the basics of art-making, from drawing to colour theory). At my school, there’s a lot of emphasis on discovering and developing the student’s individual style, and we’re encouraged to focus on what we’re interested in, whether that’s product photography or more artistic photography (and that’s just within my studio).

    Homeschooling provides other opportunities as well: I took violin lessons for eight years from the BSO’s co-concertmaster (she was concertmaster then). Since I live about two hours away, if I’d gone to school, I wouldn’t have been able to go to her for lessons.

    I’ve come to see the pluses and minuses of both traditional schooling and homeschooling in the past few years, so I’m far less likely to knock traditional education than I used to be, though I despise standardized testing in all it’s forms, because we humans are not cookie-cutters. We’re all different, with our own interests, strengths and weaknesses.

    I can’t end this without saying, “bravo, BDN!” I get excited whenever the mainstream media portrays homeschoolers as they really are: normal people who just happen to teach/learn at home. Even though we homeschoolers are more accepted these days, every article like this counts.

  • Anonymous

    The article is about how homeschooling parents think about the experience. It does not in any way imply that parents of children in public school don’t teach their children each day as well. I’m not sure why you seem so defensive. We can all get along.

  • Anonymous

    The article is about how homeschooling parents think about the experience. It does not in any way imply that parents of children in public school don’t teach their children each day as well. I’m not sure why you seem so defensive. We can all get along.

  • Anonymous

    The article is about how homeschooling parents think about the experience. It does not in any way imply that parents of children in public school don’t teach their children each day as well. I’m not sure why you seem so defensive. We can all get along.

  • Anonymous

    The article is about how homeschooling parents think about the experience. It does not in any way imply that parents of children in public school don’t teach their children each day as well. I’m not sure why you seem so defensive. We can all get along.

  • Anonymous

    The article is about how homeschooling parents think about the experience. It does not in any way imply that parents of children in public school don’t teach their children each day as well. I’m not sure why you seem so defensive. We can all get along.

  • Anonymous

    The article is about how homeschooling parents think about the experience. It does not in any way imply that parents of children in public school don’t teach their children each day as well. I’m not sure why you seem so defensive. We can all get along.

  • Anonymous

    Probly reading the NYT at age 5.  Oh, wait, make that the BDN.

    I hope your kid learns to think critically

    Including your own writing.

  • Anonymous

    Probly reading the NYT at age 5.  Oh, wait, make that the BDN.

    I hope your kid learns to think critically

    Including your own writing.

  • Anonymous

    Many homeschool because their children have special needs. It is all about doing what is best for your children. For some that is using the services through the public school system, for others it is through spending one on one time each day teaching their children at home. Both ways work. It’s just great that parents have a choice.

  • Anonymous

    Many homeschool because their children have special needs. It is all about doing what is best for your children. For some that is using the services through the public school system, for others it is through spending one on one time each day teaching their children at home. Both ways work. It’s just great that parents have a choice.

  • Anonymous

    Many homeschool because their children have special needs. It is all about doing what is best for your children. For some that is using the services through the public school system, for others it is through spending one on one time each day teaching their children at home. Both ways work. It’s just great that parents have a choice.

  • Anonymous

    Many homeschool because their children have special needs. It is all about doing what is best for your children. For some that is using the services through the public school system, for others it is through spending one on one time each day teaching their children at home. Both ways work. It’s just great that parents have a choice.

  • Erin Casey

    And I don’t know why everyone is so bothered by what I said if “we can all get along”?

  • Anonymous

    You should contact the Department of Education to see if they can do something about it. The school district is breaking the law.

  • Anonymous

    You should contact the Department of Education to see if they can do something about it. The school district is breaking the law.

  • Anonymous

    Bravo. From the way you write and express yourself so well, I would say that home-schooling sure was beneficial in your case, as I am sure it is for many students.
    I agree with another poster as well. It is great that there is a choice between learning at home or learning in a public/private school setting.

  • Anonymous

    Bravo. From the way you write and express yourself so well, I would say that home-schooling sure was beneficial in your case, as I am sure it is for many students.
    I agree with another poster as well. It is great that there is a choice between learning at home or learning in a public/private school setting.

  • Anonymous

    Ditto.

  • Anonymous

    Homeschooling my children was one my most treasured of human experiences. It allowed them to spend every day with their father in the last nine years of his life. I am grateful that we had a choice. 

    One served three years in the United States Army. One graduated with a culinary degree(Dean’s list), the third just finished up an associate degree in computer networking and made the Dean’s list as well. He heads off to UMO this month to get his bachelor’s degree. None of them took SATs.

  • Anonymous

    Hokka hey!    Well put.

  • Anonymous

    You might, but many don’t.

  • Anonymous

    So why is the sky blue Erin?

    …still waiting for the answer

  • Anonymous

    I’d rather homeschool my child. Public school is a joke.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you, completely.  My son always wanted to be home schooled.  I thought about it for a long time.  I always thought he would change his mind when he went to high school.  However, he did not.  It wasn’t like he wasn’t doing good in public school.  He was very popular with teachers and students alike.  I decided to call Mrs. Green to get some info about it.  Well to say the least, my son just graduated from home schooling, and I couldn’t be a prouder mother.

  • Anonymous

    I can’t agree more. My child could read quite fluently by the time he entered kindergarten at five years old. Being autistic, however, he had a hard time controlling his body and impulsive behavior. Despite having failed all of his timed tests (due to lack of focus) he still scored an IQ of 129, which they reminded us was a low estimate. His behavior and focus started improving thanks to a wonderful kindergarten teacher and occupational therapy. First grade came and and his teacher gave him mildly challenging work and she did a pretty good job all year. Unfortunately, when 2nd grade rolled around, we realized not only was he not being challenged but he was admittedly sat apart from the rest of the class for half the school day… in a corner by himself. While we continued to challenge him at home academically, they kept him at nearly the same level as the rest of the class at school despite his remarkable academic skills and despite the fact that he has an eidetic memory. That’s what they do. They keep them all at the same level. They especially don’t want to be bothered by a child who requires any kind of special needs or accommodations. Despite the fact that there was a 504 plan in place, the teacher wasn’t keeping a behavior chart and wasn’t giving him necessary sensory breaks. That teacher ended up unraveling 2 years of hard work and therapy. Not to mention that the only reason he hadn’t been skipped ahead in grades is being because he needed the “social aspect” of the school experience, which he couldn’t possibly have been getting since she separated him from the class for 50% of the day. Outrageous! This upcoming school year will be different because I’m done playing games with the public school system. I don’t think they realize what a privilege it is to be teaching such a remarkable child. And this whole setting him apart from the rest of the class because he doesn’t understand his role in a group is for the birds. It’s their job to teach him that. I’m pissed at the system. They’d be happy if all the kids were drones.

  • Anonymous

    Nearly all public school teachers are glad for home schoolers.  It takes whining parents out of their buildings and, of course, gives Mt Kastuk a job paid for by Maine taxpayers.

  • Anonymous

    I find it amusing that going off to school – public or private is referred to as “traditional”. Isn’t it so-called home schooling that’s traditional?  

  • Diogenes

    All kids deserve to be home schooled; that’s what evenings and weekends are for.  Kids learn from their weekdays at public school and from their parents the rest of the time.  It makes a nice mix of classroom and individual learning experience. 
     
    I’ve got nothing against full-time home-schoolers, unless they’re doing it to “protect” their kids from scientific knowledge that contradicts mythology.

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm, I see a comment is gone, one that I thought was fair.

    “Probly reading the NYT at age 5. 
    Oh, wait, make that the BDN.

    I hope your kid learns to think critically

    Including your own writing”

    Let’s just say he’s had more of a variety in his life on his own doing, than most will have in a lifetime.  He’s traveled further, (again all on his own doing, no help from Mom & Dad) than most people in Maine ever have.  He has also been seen by more people than most people from Maine ever will.   I should also mention, he turned 19 last month.   So yeah, my writing is not perfect, especially in a blog, but it does not mean we cannot make what we think are the best choices for our children.   FYI, his Mother taught the language arts and history.  I taught the maths and sciences. 

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm, I see a comment is gone, one that I thought was fair.

    “Probly reading the NYT at age 5. 
    Oh, wait, make that the BDN.

    I hope your kid learns to think critically

    Including your own writing”

    Let’s just say he’s had more of a variety in his life on his own doing, than most will have in a lifetime.  He’s traveled further, (again all on his own doing, no help from Mom & Dad) than most people in Maine ever have.  He has also been seen by more people than most people from Maine ever will.   I should also mention, he turned 19 last month.   So yeah, my writing is not perfect, especially in a blog, but it does not mean we cannot make what we think are the best choices for our children.   FYI, his Mother taught the language arts and history.  I taught the maths and sciences. 

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm, I see a comment is gone, one that I thought was fair.

    “Probly reading the NYT at age 5. 
    Oh, wait, make that the BDN.

    I hope your kid learns to think critically

    Including your own writing”

    Let’s just say he’s had more of a variety in his life on his own doing, than most will have in a lifetime.  He’s traveled further, (again all on his own doing, no help from Mom & Dad) than most people in Maine ever have.  He has also been seen by more people than most people from Maine ever will.   I should also mention, he turned 19 last month.   So yeah, my writing is not perfect, especially in a blog, but it does not mean we cannot make what we think are the best choices for our children.   FYI, his Mother taught the language arts and history.  I taught the maths and sciences. 

  • Anonymous

    Hmmm, I see a comment is gone, one that I thought was fair.

    “Probly reading the NYT at age 5. 
    Oh, wait, make that the BDN.

    I hope your kid learns to think critically

    Including your own writing”

    Let’s just say he’s had more of a variety in his life on his own doing, than most will have in a lifetime.  He’s traveled further, (again all on his own doing, no help from Mom & Dad) than most people in Maine ever have.  He has also been seen by more people than most people from Maine ever will.   I should also mention, he turned 19 last month.   So yeah, my writing is not perfect, especially in a blog, but it does not mean we cannot make what we think are the best choices for our children.   FYI, his Mother taught the language arts and history.  I taught the maths and sciences. 

  • Anonymous

    My kids went to public school, but I “home schooled” an enrichment program as well.  I was a single parent and had to work, so full time home schooling was not an option. In addtion to monitoring and helping with homework, I gave the kids projects and we did field trips.  Reading and keeping a “diary” was encouraged.  When I discovered that in school on essay type questions, my son was getting high marks for answers with incomplete sentences etc, I gave him a notebook and asked him to write a few lines each day.  The original few lines turned into essays and short stories once he got into it.  The three word essay questions disappeared.  I appalaud those who homeschool, but some of us just cannot , or are not equipped to do it.

  • Anonymous

    Google it!

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like our story. I saw my son being labeled a bad child when he had a neurological impairment that caused impulsive behavior. He had tactile and sensory problems yet the teachers would grab him by the arm which would set him off once touched like that. After second grade I gave up on the system because they gave up on him. Despite two evaluations by a team of psychologists saying that he needed a program in place to help him be successful with the social aspects, the school refused to work with us because he was an A student. 

    We began homeschooling him and all of his behaviors eventually disappeared. He flourished in a homeschool environment where he could study at an excelled pace. He took his first college class in the tenth grade. He has graduated with an associate’s degree this summer and is about to head off to Orono this month doing a double major and ROTC.

  • Anonymous

    “The mandatory yearly assessment is submitted to the state, but the children do not have to show annual progress or prove they are learning at a certain level. Hypothetically, the child could be “failing” by public school standards, according to David Connerty-Marin, who works for the Maine Department of Education.”From this statement you can get a sense of the feeling by the Maine DOE toward home schools.
    Perhaps the MDOE could learn something from them if they didn’t think they had all the answers.  Instead of jumping on board every new (expensive) fad that comes along in education, they should look at what home schools are using for curriculum.  If you want proof just listen to comments like : ”   According to the University of Maine’s admissions director, Sharon Oliver, many of Maine’s home-schoolers who apply to the university are well-rounded and well-prepared.  I’ve never heard of a Home School Dropout, have you?

  • Anonymous

    “The mandatory yearly assessment is submitted to the state, but the children do not have to show annual progress or prove they are learning at a certain level. Hypothetically, the child could be “failing” by public school standards, according to David Connerty-Marin, who works for the Maine Department of Education.”From this statement you can get a sense of the feeling by the Maine DOE toward home schools.
    Perhaps the MDOE could learn something from them if they didn’t think they had all the answers.  Instead of jumping on board every new (expensive) fad that comes along in education, they should look at what home schools are using for curriculum.  If you want proof just listen to comments like : ”   According to the University of Maine’s admissions director, Sharon Oliver, many of Maine’s home-schoolers who apply to the university are well-rounded and well-prepared.  I’ve never heard of a Home School Dropout, have you?

  • Anonymous

    I wish that what you say was true for more families.

    I know a few teachers, and they all lament the fact that many parents have no interest in their children’s education.

    That is much of what is wrong with early education in the country.

  • Anonymous

    I wish that what you say was true for more families.

    I know a few teachers, and they all lament the fact that many parents have no interest in their children’s education.

    That is much of what is wrong with early education in the country.

  • Anonymous

    This is a link to a YouTube video produced by the Royal Society for the Arts (RSA) by Sir Ken Robinson, that may shed a different light on both sides of this issue.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U

  • Anonymous

    Good link!  Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    Good link!  Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    Good link!  Thank you.

  • Benevolent Despot

    “Children don’t stop learning, so you don’t stop teaching, basically,” she said
    - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – -

    This should be the way whether the kids are home schooled or not. I kept my children home until they were 7, there was nothing in kindergarten that they could teach them than I couldn’t. When they began the first grade they were ahead of the others in so many ways.
    Boys benefit from this tremendously, mine did.

    I was also fortunate enough that my job at home helped me to do this. My children are close in age for a while I had my own little classroom before the first went off to school.

  • Benevolent Despot

    I agree. I didn’t home school but my children received 2 educations, one in school and one at home dealing with life.

  • Benevolent Despot

    Gas molecules and Rayleigh scattering.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve also heard school teachers, mostly primary teachers, complain that many of the higher acheiving students are homeschooled and therefore lower the class average (an important NCLB measurement).

  • Anonymous

    I assume that the “scientific knowledge” you want every child “taught” is that there is no God, the world is being destroyed by human activity, and that MSNBC tells the truth .

  • Anonymous

    So glad to hear it work, our son had social problems as well.  He wanted to act mature, got along much better with adults, and had medical issues as well.  We home schooled him off grid, we kept hearing he won’t be social, he needs to learn to adapt to teasing, blah, blah, blah….  A few months after 18, off to Hollywood he goes, his social skills are so bad the first time he went to the Jimmy Kimmel show, they gave him a lifetime backstage pass! haha…  He never paid for a meal out there, even in the most expensive places because of contacts he made ALL on his own.  I could go on and on.   He had contract offers from four different networks.   Things were moving so fast, he decided to come back to maine for a bit, to take things all in.   Very proud of him, and I know in school, he never would’ve been allowed to grow and act as an adult, those aspects would’ve and were squashed on a daily basis.  His phone still rings off the hook from Hollywood and he will probably be heading back out there shortly as what he considers the dream type of offer is past the beginning stages now.

  • Anonymous

    Read my reply to true native below, schools just cannot do the kids that really need help or are different any justice at all.  Too bad that so many TV shows (like wife swap) gave home schooling such a bad rap.  Yeah, there are bad home schooling parents who are not really interested in teaching their kids, but most of the kids do very well, or even better as adults.

  • Diogenes

    Your assumptions are incorrect. 

    I don’t want kids to be taught there is no god; proving a negative is not a function of science.  It is as pointless as trying to prove there are no unicorns.  Neither do I want kids to be deprived of knowledge of astronomy, geologic history and the fossil record, even if they don’t support some group’s origin mythologies regarding a bearded omnipotent alien and cloning women from spare ribs.

    I don’t want children to be taught that the world is being destroyed by human activity either.  Science indicates that the atmosphere is changing, and based on measurements and observation  that human activity is a significant contributing factor.  Would you prefer that we ignore measurement and observation in arriving at a conclusion?  Would you like your cardiologist to ignore your symptoms and the results of your tests?  That seems childish to me, but you’re free to ignore whatever you wish.  But if your doctor uses science to determine your child is ill and requires a certain treatment, I hope your will be bright enough to heed her advice instead of dooming him due to your denialist proclivity.
     
    As for MSNBC, they tell the truth, sometimes.  Same goes for every other news source on the planet.  Blind faith in any one source is a fool’s paradise.  A wise man gathers data and conclusions from separate and often contradictory sources and sifts for the truth in the mix. 

  • DonHorchKingofMen

    Can be a great idea,but certain religious groups,ie Jehovah’s Witnesses,like to keep their kids out of school for other reasons,and thus the kids are taught by adults who are barely literate themselves.This should be CLOSELY monitored.

  • DonHorchKingofMen

    Can be a great idea,but certain religious groups,ie Jehovah’s Witnesses,like to keep their kids out of school for other reasons,and thus the kids are taught by adults who are barely literate themselves.This should be CLOSELY monitored.

  • M R

    Nice generalization. Do you know ALL JW’s who homeschool do this or just some?

    I have met SOME homeschoolers who are not JW’s and they have their kids homeschooled for “other reasons”, too. Some put their kids in public schools for “other reasons”.

    Those who are not properly educating their children IN or OUT of the public school system should be closely monitored.

    “Barely literate” parents should not teach their children? Is that what you are saying? They are not “qualified” to teach? Who monitors that? Who should? Who defines “barely literate”? Who defines what is a good education or not?

    I’d really like to see more substantiated support for your opinions. They seem based on a bad example or examples you have seen. That’s sad, but it does NOT represent JW’s who homeschool just as one bad public school teacher does not represent ALL public school teachers.

  • M R

    Nice generalization. Do you know ALL JW’s who homeschool do this or just some?

    I have met SOME homeschoolers who are not JW’s and they have their kids homeschooled for “other reasons”, too. Some put their kids in public schools for “other reasons”.

    Those who are not properly educating their children IN or OUT of the public school system should be closely monitored.

    “Barely literate” parents should not teach their children? Is that what you are saying? They are not “qualified” to teach? Who monitors that? Who should? Who defines “barely literate”? Who defines what is a good education or not?

    I’d really like to see more substantiated support for your opinions. They seem based on a bad example or examples you have seen. That’s sad, but it does NOT represent JW’s who homeschool just as one bad public school teacher does not represent ALL public school teachers.

  • Anonymous

    Poll Question
    Do you think there is a significant difference in education between home schooling and traditional schooling?BDN …This is a very poorly worded poll question. What diffrence are they looking for … do you think it is better or worse? Or just diffrent?

  • Anonymous

    This same situation happens in Bangor too.  Most communities in Maine are wonderful and our very welcoming to ALL children.

  • Anonymous

    I have met very few Jehovah Witnesses who homeschool their kids.  They like to keep their kids in the public school system and torment the administration.

  • Anonymous

    I have met very few Jehovah Witnesses who homeschool their kids.  They like to keep their kids in the public school system and torment the administration.

  • Anonymous

    I have met very few Jehovah Witnesses who homeschool their kids.  They like to keep their kids in the public school system and torment the administration.

  • Anonymous

    I have met very few Jehovah Witnesses who homeschool their kids.  They like to keep their kids in the public school system and torment the administration.

  • Anonymous

    those darn libruls!

  • Anonymous

    those darn libruls!

  • Anonymous

    those darn libruls!

  • Anonymous

    those darn libruls!

  • Anonymous

    those darn libruls!

  • Anonymous

    those darn libruls!

  • Anonymous

    I’ve heard from some people we didn’t really land on the moon. Doesn’t mean it’s true. 

  • Anonymous

    What’s your point? There are those without children that pay taxes as well.

  • Anonymous

    Which was untrue, that I could have spoken with educators, or that they worry about NCLB.

  • Anonymous

    Which was untrue, that I could have spoken with educators, or that they worry about NCLB.

  • Anonymous

    Which was untrue, that I could have spoken with educators, or that they worry about NCLB.

  • Anonymous

    Good enlighting comment.

  • Anonymous

    Good enlighting comment.

  • Anonymous

    Good enlighting comment.

  • Anonymous

    Good enlighting comment.

  • Anonymous

    Good enlighting comment.

  • Anonymous

    Good enlighting comment.

  • Anonymous

    Good enlighting comment.

  • Anonymous

    Good enlighting comment.

  • Anonymous

    Good enlighting comment.

  • Anonymous

    It’s cut from the same cloth as your “evil liberals are destroying the world!!!”

  • Anonymous

    It’s cut from the same cloth as your “evil liberals are destroying the world!!!”

  • http://www.sumnerteam.com Sumner Lymburner

    How many members of the various school boards have children who are “Home Schooled” or are sent to Private or Parochial Schools? Just curious to see if anyone keeps score.

  • http://www.sumnerteam.com Sumner Lymburner

    Quit picking on Ted Kennedy, the man who wrote the NCLB law.

  • Anonymous

    I
    apologize if I have impugned your integrity, I did not try to do that.. I will admit to possibly unwarranted sarcasim.

     

    Maybe
    some very fundamental church sects believe that the earth was created in 6
    days, but I think that most are able to accecpt that it took far longer, that
    dinosaurs predated humans, that there is evolution (but not that some how
    humans evolved from bacteria).

     

    Is
    the climate changing? It would be shocking if it was not. After all the climate
    has been in constant flux for quite a while, I’ve heard that climate change
    brought the age of the dinosaurs to an end. The belief that humans have the
    power to cause climate change seems hard to believe. We that have a smaller
    weight on the earth than insects, and far less numbers than the plants, have
    released far less CO2 than the earth itself, can influence the climate that
    changes all the time, of the earth.

     

    Should
    we accept a theory, and that is all the belief that we are changing the climate
    is, based on observations and measurements taken over just a few years, with
    regard to the length the earth has existed, by people that have been shown to
    skew the data?

     

    I will grant you that
    MSNBC must accidently tell the truth once in a while, no one can be wrong all
    the time.

  • Anonymous

    I do not remember saying that liberals are destroying the world. I have said that excessive liberalism is destroying the country’s society, just as society in Europe is falling apart. Liberalism has ruined the US economy over the last century, and has run rough shod over our Constitution.

    Some of the liberal goals were good, but they have been taken way too far. Our society is being torn apart because of the progressive, liberal and conservative, elites that want to dominate the world.

  • Diogenes

    No worries, you didn’t harm my integrity at all.  You merely demonstrated that your prefer theories unsupported by evidence to those based on repeatable scientific observation.  No skin off my nose.
     
    Anthropogenic Global Warming is just a theory.  Evolution is also just a theory.  And Gravity is just a theory as well.  Theory doesn’t mean the same thing in science as it does on television police dramas.  You might want to look into that.   And the false claims of data corruption have been dismissed by independent peer reviewed science journals.  Yes, the false accusations are still flogged and blogged on the faux-science web sites financed by the American Petroleum Institute and their ilk, but that doesn’t make them any more accurate than the health claims that used to be promoted by tobacco growers, or the abduction stories that persist on Art Bell. 

    Based on recent geological research it seems pretty clear that the age of dinosaurs ended with abrupt climate change precipitated by a collision with an asteroid.  I’m unaware of any such recent cataclysmic events that would explain the increasing temperature trend that has dominated recent decades, when compared to a climate record that goes back millenia in ice and fossil data.  Or do you also believe that all the geologists, glaciologists, and geophysicits are part of the data skewing conspiracy as well?

    But I don’t think you’re really interested in discussing (or learning) science here.  Based on the evidence in your other comments above, I conclude that no amount of observation or hard data would shift you from blaming your chosen targets for the world’s political or social ills and for your own anxieties.  For that reason I think it’s time for us to part ways.  I’ll keep looking at the forthcoming scientific evidence, and you can keep listening to whoever makes you feel better.  We’ll probably both be happier that way. 

    Cheers!

  • Anonymous

    I will agree.  I have seen plenty of talented kids held back in public school.  Those children could go such much further if they had a chance.  The attention was on the children failing.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like a smart kid, I once met.  They had someone come into a classroom concerned for this childs behavior.  The child, in my opinion was outgoing, smart, and under challanged.  Give the child a challenge and they rose to the level and caused less problems with others.

  • Anonymous

    I think employers would like drones too, so what better way to prepare children for the labor force?

  • Anonymous

    People who don’t educate thier children when homeschooling, won’t do better in Public school.  People who demand an education from the Public School and their children will get one.  People who don’t will not.  Some people who homeschool, like me, demanded an education from the school and were told “No”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/RobertZarvin-Darius-Julia-Shaffer/1448746639 RobertZarvin Darius Julia Shaf

    Those that don’t homeschool spend an average of 12 minutes per day interacting with “their” children. The school and artificial age segregated peer group has them for 12 hours, more or less, depending on the amount of electronics abuse they are allowed to “enjoy”.

    An upper middle class kid who lives in an upper middle class neighborhood attending an expensive school  will have a much better chance than average to join the upper middle class. Others, not. The parents “role” is completed when they buy the house in the nice neighborhood.

  • Anonymous

    I thought it was something like, it just looks blue the way the light refracts and bends around Earth in shorter frequencies, but faster particles during the day while the sun is directly overhead and we are closer.  Near sunset and sunrise we see miles of horizon and land between us and the atmosphere and the sun, then the longer frequencies with slower moving particles that take longer to attenuate are visible.

  • DonHorchKingofMen

    Interesting point.When I was associated w/the JW’s,the push was for home schooling.The thinking is that they wanted to separate their kids from the “worldly people”therefor keeping them “clean”.And yes.I did see this first hand.By barely literate,I mean people who have’nt read a book since graduating high school.And believe in superstitions like paradise and god and angels and devils and such.And that you can have demon possession in our home by having a Smurf doll or a Stevie Nicks album…On the other hand,Ive met non-JW home schooled kids who were brilliant and hopeful fr the future.Its a joy to behold!!!!

  • Anonymous

    We homeschooled mainly because we wanted more than evenings and weekends with our children. We wanted to spend quality time each and every day rather than them being locked away from society six plus hours a day, five days a week, 180 days a year. We did not want our children to have an institutionalized education but one with real books and real experiences versus learning from textbooks and work sheets.

    We actually wanted to protect our children from school burnt out. We wanted to protect them from disinterest in learning. 

  • Anonymous

    We wanted to teach our children that they could form their own belief systems based on being introduced to and meeting many people from many different religions or spiritual practices, as well as to spend time getting to know people with agnostic or atheist belief systems.

    We introduced them to all of the world’s religions, as well as to science, psychology, sociology, anthropology, philosophy, etc. 

    The world is not being destroyed by human activity, but Mother Earth is suffering at the hands of human beings. The earth is being harmed each and every day. The earth will repair itself with or without the presence or help of the human species.

  • Anonymous

    We wanted to teach our children that they could form their own belief systems based on being introduced to and meeting many people from many different religions or spiritual practices, as well as to spend time getting to know people with agnostic or atheist belief systems.

    We introduced them to all of the world’s religions, as well as to science, psychology, sociology, anthropology, philosophy, etc. 

    The world is not being destroyed by human activity, but Mother Earth is suffering at the hands of human beings. The earth is being harmed each and every day. The earth will repair itself with or without the presence or help of the human species.

  • Anonymous

    What’s your point? There are those without children that pay taxes as well.     
    ******************************************************
    Do try to keep up with the comments, ok….  Sue6534 said that home-schooling parents who are paying taxes to their local school district can take advantage of school sponsored activities or classes…. and …Many home schoolers also use the buildings and other facilities for group meetings, and activities.     
    Amy Daley responded by saying it is not true in her district, as the principal of the particular school where her children would attend if they were not homeschooled has enacted policies that prohibit homeschoolers from access to these classes or activities.  Her POINT is that this particularpublic school principal has enacted policies that are contrary to Department of Education Standard Operating Procedures, policies, law, etc.

  • Anonymous

    Pumpkin, I am keeping up. 

    She said, “we pay twice.” That’s what I was responding to. Everyone pays, whether they have children or not. 

  • Anonymous

    What a numb poll question. What difference is the BDN looking for? I’ll bet the questioner is a product of public schools.

  • Anonymous

    Pumpkin, I am keeping up. She said, “we pay twice.” That’s what I was responding to. Everyone pays, whether they have children or not.     
    ***********************************************
    My dearest neighbor, perhaps you misread Amy’s statement….she “pays twice” because she pays the local school district to educate her child(ren) even though the district does not educate her child(ren) and also pays for all the supplies necessary to educate her child(ren) at home.  Yes, everyone pays, but that money we all pay is supposed to go towards the education costs of all the children in the district.  Clearly, because of this principal’s actions, the district is not using that money to educate all the children in the district.

  • Anonymous

    What is ruin to one person is continuing progress to others. Our world is going through change which sometimes makes it seem like things are being torn apart when in actuality positive growth and change often comes from chaos and confusion. It has always been this way. Our society is in a continual process of change and growth.

    The US economy has been impacted by many, many factors, by many human beings, political ideologies, corporate elites, etc. It is naive to claim that one particular group of people is responsible for the decline of our economy.

  • Anonymous

    As a recent high school graduate, I can agree with this. Some of the classes I had interests in I didn’t take because they were only geared to students who needed the credits to graduate. In some classes I wouldn’t answer questions in class or was told to stop answering questions in class because I found the content easy. In retrospect, I probably could have been homeschooled, but at least now I know I’ll be challenged with college classes.

  • Anonymous

    No, we pay for the schools themselves. If you want to educate your child at home, do so, but it’s on your own dime. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B6MYUMB47NHIYQD62Q3CTIA7YA Diane Beal

    “Hypothetically, the child could be “failing” by public school standards, according to David Connerty-Marin, who works for the Maine Department of Education.”

    In “Reality”, it’s the public schools that are FAILING, by everyone’s standards. 

  • Anonymous

    I never had a problem paying for my children’s education. It was well worth the monetary investment. We were blessed to live in a town that upheld the law. Our boys were fortunate to play sports, be involved in drama and other activities through the local school because as you say, we pay for the schools so all children in the district can have access to all of the things that are taxes are going toward.

  • Anonymous

    That’s fine, but don’t say you’re “paying twice.” If the first time is paying for all children in the district to be educated and go to school, then then second payment would be for the same thing. Paying for an extracurricular activity for your child isn’t “paying twice.” Amy also made a point about the general costs of homeschooling and believes she ought to be entitled to a tax credit or some other incentive.

  • Anonymous

    I never felt like I was paying twice. I felt like I was making a long-term investment. I never considered a tax credit because the peace of mind that I got from educating my offspring at home was more than enough compensation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=668056901 Sally Nason

    but not everyone has the luxury of being able to stay home with their children and teach them at home. some of us have to work full time or go to school ourselves

  • OldWench

    I recently learned on an online school option for kids.  If I were going to homeschool I might opt for k12 instead.  It’s pretty interesting and some states count it as public school.  You can check it out here:  http://www.k12.com/

  • OldWench

    I think the reason some people get snarky towards parents who homeschool is because those who do homeschool tend to act like that’s better than public school and that somehow parents who don’t homeschool don’t care as much or that their kids aren’t as intelligent.  It’s sort of offensive.  Some parents don’t have time to homeschool or just aren’t cut out to teach things.  Their gifts are just in other areas and those gifts are just as important, relevant and necessary for raising a well-balanced child.  That being said…the one major disadvantage of homeschooling is that those children miss out on group work with their peers.  Yes, they can socialize and do activities, but they do miss out on the academic group learning.  That is a trade off for the one on one instruction.  Both methods can benefit a child and people just need to pick which one best suits their child, family and situation.

  • OldWench

    Kids aren’t taught that there is “no God.”  Nor are they taught that there is.  Religious belief is a topic left to the family, as it should be.  Evolution is very briefly covered in science and as I recall it, it was always presented as “scientists believe….” and at least 90% of the kids in that class attended Sunday School each week.  Evolution is not taught in a way that instills that you either believe that humans have evolved over time OR you believe in God.  It is never implied that you can’t believe both.  Whose to say that Adam and Eve weren’t a bit hairy?  

  • Anonymous

    This thread has REALLY gone off the rails.

  • Anonymous

    My children were in the public school system and homeschooled. The homeschooling environment was by far much better than their experiences at school. The education that they received through homeschooling could not have been duplicated by the local school system in my rural community.

    I believe that if a parent can read, write and do math, then they can become effective teachers. The system has convinced parents that they cannot teach their own children. If  a parent wants to homeschool bad enough, they find a way. No one had anymore difficult circumstances than our family and we were able to do it because we were committed to that lifestyle.

    Many homeschooling groups get together one day a week or several times a month for group learning. Often each parent in the group has an area of academic interest so they take turns planning the academic days. Many homeschoolers begin taking college classes as early as 8th or 9th grade which gives them ample experience with group learning. 

  • Anonymous

    My children were in the public school system and homeschooled. The homeschooling environment was by far much better than their experiences at school. The education that they received through homeschooling could not have been duplicated by the local school system in my rural community.

    I believe that if a parent can read, write and do math, then they can become effective teachers. The system has convinced parents that they cannot teach their own children. If  a parent wants to homeschool bad enough, they find a way. No one had anymore difficult circumstances than our family and we were able to do it because we were committed to that lifestyle.

    Many homeschooling groups get together one day a week or several times a month for group learning. Often each parent in the group has an area of academic interest so they take turns planning the academic days. Many homeschoolers begin taking college classes as early as 8th or 9th grade which gives them ample experience with group learning. 

  • Anonymous

    It is not a luxury actually. Many homeschooling families live on shoe string budgets. They give up many material things in order to have at least one parent at home. They sacrifice many luxuries in order to make it work. I actually went to college full time and worked a part-time job while at the same time homeschooled our children. Were there is a will, there is a way.

  • Diogenes

    Aww, c’mon!  The rails get boring; crashing through the puckerbrush is way more exciting!

  • Diogenes

    “Religious belief is a topic left to the family, as it should be.”
      
    Bingo!

  • Diogenes

    That’s great if you can pull it off, but most families can’t afford that.  Between unemployment, single-parents, and poverty-level paychecks, most Maine families need two incomes just the keep their heads above water. 
     
    Also, good schools don’t just rely on textbooks and work sheets.  They include exploration and experimentation.  Unfortunately, good schools are becoming rarer as funds are cut to pay for wars and other corporate ventures.

  • Millicent

    Tell me you are not serious, because it was coauthored by Representatives John Boehner (R-OH), George Miller (D-CA), and Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH). President Bush signed it into law on January 8, 2002.

  • OldWench

    Actually, you are proving the point I was making.  Homeschooling was better for YOUR children, but you don’t know my children or the children of other posters.  Three of my children are musicians that play several instruments.  I am NOT musical and do not play instruments or really read music.  Two of my children are incredible artists…me, well, not so much. Three of my children either are or were heavily involved in drama and musicals.   Two of my children were incredible athletes.  I am a single parent with limited financial resources.  If I had of homeschooled my children they would have been cheated out of all the extracurricular activities the school provides for free that they LOVE, and that are VERY important to them.  Most schools have advanced placement programs/classes for kids who are really advanced.  Most parents are perfectly capable of supplementing their children’s public education.  

    I’m glad homeschooling was best for your children, but kindly refrain from claiming to know what is best for my children and the children of others when you don’t even know them or their needs.  Thanks in advance…

  • OldWench

    Science, however, is not.  When skeletons of prehistoric species like cavemen and dinosaurs have been found they can’t just be ignored.  Science attempts to explain them.

  • Anonymous

    No, we pay for the schools themselves. If you want to educate your child at home, do so, but it’s on your own dime.     
    *************************************************
    ;-)  ok, we just said the same thing, in a nutshell.  You asked what Amy’s “point” was, though.  Her “point” was that the schools are required to offer the same amenities to the homeschooled kids as they do to the kids that are enrolled at those specific schools.  The school in Amy’s district refused to offer those amenities.  Amy “paid twice” because she paid local taxes like every other homeowner and she paid for homeschool materials and also the fees to get these amenities at another district that she should have been receiving at no cost from the local district.

  • Anonymous

    You’ll get no argument from me on that one!

  • Anonymous

    I was making no implications about you and your family. I was merely sharing our experience and dispelling some of the typical myths that might keep someone from homeschooling their children. I did not in any way want to imply that how you have chosen to educate your child is wrong. 

    I said what I said to encourage someone out there who might be wanting to homeschool their children but are afraid that they can’t do it. I shared what I shared so perhaps someone considering it might be given the inspiration to go ahead and take a chance on it. I wanted them to see that if they truly want to homeschool their children that they are more than capable. 

    I did in no way imply that all children should be homeschooled. It would be a total failure for many families. It has to be a way of life that not everyone could embrace. Some children are far better off in the public school system.

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