Saturday/Sunday, July 30-31, 2011: Voter fraud, Roxanne Quimby and prayer

Posted July 29, 2011, at 6:15 p.m.
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Voter fraud proof suspect

In regards to Rep. Webster’s “proof” of voter fraud:

I am a recent graduate of USM’s Muskie School. I received my bachelor’s in political science in my “home” state of Indiana. I paid an exorbitant amount of money to come to Maine to receive a fantastic education in my field of community planning and development.

We sold our home in Indiana, moved the entire family here, got Maine drivers licenses, registered our car and truck in Portland and have filed Maine taxes as residents. My partner and I were still required to pay out-of-state tuition because we did not work or live here at least one year before enrolling at USM.

My family is what many would now consider permanent residents. And yes, my partner and I voted here the last two years.

We now live in Livermore Falls and will be registering our daughter to go school here, where she will eventually graduate. I take offense at Mr. Webster’s accusations of voter fraud among out-of-state tuition students. Those of us who came here by choice and pay three times the tuition cost of residents should not be automatically accused of voting illegally.

D. Robin Beck

Livermore Falls

Just do it, Roxanne

I have a different suggestion from Cheryl Russell’s OpEd (BDN, July 22) on how Roxanne Quimby should invest her money.

Roxanne should take the $40 million she would set aside for a park endowment and park maintenance and use that money to build the infrastructure to develop her own “Quimby Maine Woods Park.” She could maintain local control of her land rather than give it to the federal government.

To do this, she doesn’t need the support of our president, congressional delegation, governor, legislature or Maine residents. It’s her land to do with as she pleases. And once her park increases tourism, creates jobs and adds to the state and local economies, maybe then she will gain the support from others that she has passionately worked to achieve.

Though admirable, Roxanne should stop expending considerable time and energy trying to build consensus and convince others of the value of her vision. Just do it yourself, Roxanne.

Bob Croce

Dedham

A healthy community

I was not really heard at the Piscataquis County forum with Gov. LePage on July 21 in Dover-Foxcroft. He assumed my concern was welfare reform. My concern was public-sector jobs in the county, which benefit employees and recipients of services. The governor did not answer my question but rather spoke on welfare fraud.

We all know fraud can occur in government. Living in a community strengthened by wonderful state-supported programs can change one’s views. Are not we all one catastrophe away from needing services? We depend on services for mental health, the academic success of our children, to assist the elderly and disabled, to help folks find jobs, for community development that respects the environment and to support the local economy.

This is not the time to turn on our neighbors or judge those with different lifestyles.

The North Woods is no place for dirty energy. Solar, hydro and wind development would create jobs, lower energy costs and put us on the forefront of alternative energy technology. Our small towns are already set up to deliver independent energy services. Without a healthy planet, none of us can thrive.

Success is not defined by the creation of wealth but by the deep connection we have with our surroundings and one another. I am hurt to think my community would not aid those deemed undeserving. A caring community is what keeps us here. Let us be one.

Lisa Laser

Dover-Foxcroft

Prayer clarification

Regarding the recent Bangor Daily News editorial opposing the Aug. 6 national Day of Prayer and Fasting, may I clarify the official policy statement on participation.

“The National Day of Prayer Task Force was a creation … for the expressed purpose of organizing and promoting prayer observances conforming to a Judeo-Christian system of values. People with other theological and philosophical views are, of course, free to organize and participate in activities that are consistent with their own beliefs.”

We at Concerned Women for America of Maine appreciate government leaders’ willingness to humble themselves with us of like precious faith to preserve America’s Christian heritage and defend the religious freedoms granted by the Constitution. The event is not partisan, nor does it favor one faith over another. Other faiths are welcome to have their own official ceremony, or not.

We should not be afraid of the church awakening, once again, to the dire condition of our nation as our history attests in the past. God’s word proclaims, “the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.” This might be the tipping point of our nation turning back to God for righteousness in our laws, and stopping the progressive liberalism that has taken us to the cliff where we find ourselves.

Penny Morrell

Director

Concerned Women for America of Maine

America has Christian roots

I disagree with the BDN’s view on Gov. LePage’s proclamation for a national Day of Prayer on Aug. 6. I applaud him.

I believe he realizes the tremendous need to ask for spiritual guidance and direction not only for our state, but the nation as a whole. We need help; we have not done such a great job so far.

We need to abandon selfish ways and look to what is best to provide both leadership and services to our people. In Maine, we have our share of problems and concerns. We need prayer to guide both government and families especially at this time in our history.

It is one of our rights to openly express and openly profess faith, which this country was founded on. If one does not want to assemble and pray, so be it. There has been an outpouring of government leaders in the past calling the people to pray for the country. What is the harm in that? Maybe if we would get back to our Christian roots and call upon the Lord to heal our land there would be a deeper commitment by all to look beyond their own selfish need and think and act in the best interest of the state and nation.

God help us.

Suzanne Waterhouse

Augusta

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  • Anonymous

    How about we let the churches call for prayer and the government call for civil affairs. You know, the little mundane items like the Debt Ceiling, Economy, Employment, Afghanistan, Infrastructure, etc..

    A suggestion for the various religions, please pray that this country can survive the current bunch of incompetent politicians we are currently sadled with.

  • Anonymous

    D. Robin Beck, this is all a bunch of political grandstanding by the Republican/Tea Party to cover their apparent lack of ability to bring what Mainers are really concerned with, namely jobs.

  • Anonymous

    Penny Morrel;   you first state that the day of player is to reinforce your Judeo-christian values, how nice for you and your “christian values”. .   

    Next  you say  ”(t)he event is not partisan, nor does it favor one faith over another. ”  Oh, really?Because then you state that you hope the prayer day represents a “ turning back to God for righteousness in our laws, and stopping the progressive liberalism ”.  

    That’s your idea of “non-partisan???No wonder the Tea Party is losing ground.  They don’t understand logic, history, the Constitution, religion, the bible, God or prayer. Good luck with your self-righteous, church equals state,  TP prayer day.  You’ve irritated almost everybody except the terminally ignorant.

  • Anonymous

    Penny Morrel;   you first state that the day of player is to reinforce your Judeo-christian values, how nice for you and your “christian values”. .   

    Next  you say  ”(t)he event is not partisan, nor does it favor one faith over another. ”  Oh, really?Because then you state that you hope the prayer day represents a “ turning back to God for righteousness in our laws, and stopping the progressive liberalism ”.  

    That’s your idea of “non-partisan???No wonder the Tea Party is losing ground.  They don’t understand logic, history, the Constitution, religion, the bible, God or prayer. Good luck with your self-righteous, church equals state,  TP prayer day.  You’ve irritated almost everybody except the terminally ignorant.

  • Anonymous

    Every time one of these religion us-vs-them issues gets thrown in our faces, I keep hoping that this god everyone is nattering about will chime in and set us straight. I’m sure I’d recognize his/her/its letter…probably a hologram standing out from the rest of the crowd so we’d know for sure it was of divine origin.

    And yet, nothing. Just more pandering (I know, I use that word a lot…but it’s so fitting) politicians and their fundamentalist following trying to get headlines.

  • Anonymous

    Suzanne–Long before Christians came to this continent, stole the land, raped and killed countless natives because they were heathens, there was a powerful and moving spiritual belief system in place on this continent for more than 10,000 years. Perhaps if everyone got back to the spiritual practices of the indigenous people who have walked this land for thousands of years, the land and people here could be healed.

  • Anonymous

    Suzanne–Long before Christians came to this continent, stole the land, raped and killed countless natives because they were heathens, there was a powerful and moving spiritual belief system in place on this continent for more than 10,000 years. Perhaps if everyone got back to the spiritual practices of the indigenous people who have walked this land for thousands of years, the land and people here could be healed.

  • Anonymous

    “D”,
    I can’t imagine liberal students being accused of voter fraud. Those mean spirited, uninformed Republicans. OH MY.

    LISA,
    ” Community strengthened by wonderful  state-supported programs “. Are you for real? I am tired of cities full of freeloaders supported by mine and the other 49% of us who pay taxes. Just remember your wonderful communities only exist because our money is stolen by government and given to those who are to lazy to contribute.

    PENNY,
    Well said, and thanks for all your organization does.

    SUZANNE,
    You and Penny would make great national leaders. You both get it, and that’s more then I can say about most.

  • kcjonez

    D. Robin Beck–please don’t take it personally that the legislature doesn’t want students to vote.  It’s a one time deal, this republican majority and they know they will never win again if they play fair.  I’m sure you understand.  After all, that’s what it’s about, winning.  If they truly put people before politics then we would never see such anti-democratic legislation.  

  • Anonymous

    Penny Morrell’s letter professes to be tolerant of those of non-Christian faith but repeats the historically untrue claim of America’s alleged Christian heritage, thereby relegating Jews, Muslims, Hindus, non-believers, and others to the margins at best.  Is this contradiction not obvious? Apparently not to her. Like so many others who falsely equate the Founding Fathers with devout Christians, she doesn’t appreciate the genuine acceptance of religious diversity of George Washington and others.

  • kcjonez

    Suzanne Waterhouse–Pray your little heart out, we certainly need the help and you can probably use the practice.  

  • Anonymous

    Lisa, you’re simply advocating MORE big government. Your ideas are the PROBLEM, not the solution. Your ideas are why we are on the brink of bankruptcy. So the creation of wealth is not a good idea. If not, where will the money for your socialist programs come from?

    Suzanne and Penny…right on. But get ready for the Christian-bashers!

  • Anonymous

    Judging from your anti-Christian bashing, YOU are irritated. NOT everyone else!

  • Anonymous

    Judging from your anti-Christian bashing, YOU are irritated. NOT everyone else!

  • Anonymous

    …and what spiritual practices would that be? Worshiping the sun and moon?

  • Anonymous

    God has already “chimed in to set us straight”. It’s called the Holy Bible!

  • Anonymous

    God has already “chimed in to set us straight”. It’s called the Holy Bible!

  • kcjonez

    Penny Morrell–It is very kind of you to allow us of other faiths to have our own official ceremony for Mr. Perry’s day of prayer.  We will be consuming a huge pot of spaghetti with meatballs here–Ramen!  

  • kcjonez

    Penny Morrell–It is very kind of you to allow us of other faiths to have our own official ceremony for Mr. Perry’s day of prayer.  We will be consuming a huge pot of spaghetti with meatballs here–Ramen!  

  • Anonymous

    Sooo, you don’t think it a bit odd that aside from those ancient man-written stories, there’s been no contact with this god? Aside from what can easily be attributed to theater of the mind? Or just plain brain-washing?

    I find people’s belief in this nothing short of fascinating in a modern world.

  • Anonymous

    Sooo, you don’t think it a bit odd that aside from those ancient man-written stories, there’s been no contact with this god? Aside from what can easily be attributed to theater of the mind? Or just plain brain-washing?

    I find people’s belief in this nothing short of fascinating in a modern world.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7ARBFNYJAE23QMOBALXD7FM4W4 gempaint

    lisa laser
    Wind = 75% does not blow, 5% “parasitic” draw from grid, 10-30% loss in transmission. wind is a negative.
    solar on -site alleviates half your energy bill.
    Hydro is what created our towns..tap into again for industrial purposes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7ARBFNYJAE23QMOBALXD7FM4W4 gempaint

    lisa laser
    Wind = 75% does not blow, 5% “parasitic” draw from grid, 10-30% loss in transmission. wind is a negative.
    solar on -site alleviates half your energy bill.
    Hydro is what created our towns..tap into again for industrial purposes.

  • Anonymous

    A practice that allowed my ancestors to live on this land with abundance, relatively peaceful for more than 10,000 years only to have that land torn apart by a large number of materialistic human beings who call themselves Christians, in a matter of a few hundred years.

  • Anonymous

    Examples please! If the white man had not come, you’d still be living in teepees and at war with each other continually and often facing starvation. Greed and human sin is true of all races, whether red,white,black,brown, or yellow.

  • Anonymous

    Do you follow the “teachings” of David Barton and Bryan Fischer directly or indirectly?

  • Anonymous

    Have NO idea who either one is!

  • Anonymous

    Penny and Suzanne – do you pray only when a proclamation is made by a government official?  Do you believe that the bible should replace the US Constitution and civil laws should be replaced by biblical law?  Which sect or denomination’s doctrine of christianity should be followed: Catholic, Pentecostal, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopalian, Jehovah Witnesses, Congregationalist, Quakerism, etc?  How about we go back to the roots of Puritanism as they were the group that wanted to establish a theocracy and thought themselves the ‘rightful interpreters’ of the bible?

  • Anonymous

    Christians that follow Christ’s advice and pray quietly did not get bashed.  What got bashed are those that bray  prayers loudly and publicly.   I believe Christ called them hypocrites.  And yes, judging from the comments they do annoy almost everybody.  

  • Anonymous

    On June 11, 1776 while the question of independence was being debated, the visiting Iroquois chiefs were formally invited into the meeting hall of the Continental Congress. There a speech was delivered, in which they were addressed as “Brothers” and told of the delegates’ wish that the “friendship” between them would “continue as long as the sun shall shine” and the “waters run.” The speech also expressed the hope that the new Americans and the Iroquois act “as one people, and have but one heart.”[18]After this speech, an Onondaga chief requested permission to give Hancock an Indian name. The Congress graciously consented, and so the president was renamed “Karanduawn, or the Great Tree.” With the Iroquois chiefs inside the halls of Congress on the eve of American Independence, the impact of Iroquois ideas on the founders is unmistakable. History is indebted to Charles Thomson, an adopted Delaware, whose knowledge of and respect for American Indians is reflected in the attention that he gave to this ceremony in the records of the Continental Congress

  • Anonymous

    Ah, a FSM friend.    LOL

  • Anonymous

    Tribal societies are based on sharing, cooperation and shared responsibility. Within Native American culture there is very little greed.  The Christian concept of sin didn’t exist.  Acts that hurt or disrupted unity or ignoring one’s shared responsibilities were considered serious breeches of conduct.  Punishment was exclusion or expulsion.    Cutting, privatizing or eliminating Social Security would be considered a serious breech of conduct.  You’d probably be expelled on the first day Howbri.  LOL

  • Anonymous

    Tribal societies are based on sharing, cooperation and shared responsibility. Within Native American culture there is very little greed.  The Christian concept of sin didn’t exist.  Acts that hurt or disrupted unity or ignoring one’s shared responsibilities were considered serious breeches of conduct.  Punishment was exclusion or expulsion.    Cutting, privatizing or eliminating Social Security would be considered a serious breech of conduct.  You’d probably be expelled on the first day Howbri.  LOL

  • Anonymous

    Tribal societies are based on sharing, cooperation and shared responsibility. Within Native American culture there is very little greed.  The Christian concept of sin didn’t exist.  Acts that hurt or disrupted unity or ignoring one’s shared responsibilities were considered serious breeches of conduct.  Punishment was exclusion or expulsion.    Cutting, privatizing or eliminating Social Security would be considered a serious breech of conduct.  You’d probably be expelled on the first day Howbri.  LOL

  • Anonymous

    Tribal societies are based on sharing, cooperation and shared responsibility. Within Native American culture there is very little greed.  The Christian concept of sin didn’t exist.  Acts that hurt or disrupted unity or ignoring one’s shared responsibilities were considered serious breeches of conduct.  Punishment was exclusion or expulsion.    Cutting, privatizing or eliminating Social Security would be considered a serious breech of conduct.  You’d probably be expelled on the first day Howbri.  LOL

  • Anonymous

    Tribal societies are based on sharing, cooperation and shared responsibility. Within Native American culture there is very little greed.  The Christian concept of sin didn’t exist.  Acts that hurt or disrupted unity or ignoring one’s shared responsibilities were considered serious breeches of conduct.  Punishment was exclusion or expulsion.    Cutting, privatizing or eliminating Social Security would be considered a serious breech of conduct.  You’d probably be expelled on the first day Howbri.  LOL

  • Anonymous

    Tribal societies are based on sharing, cooperation and shared responsibility. Within Native American culture there is very little greed.  The Christian concept of sin didn’t exist.  Acts that hurt or disrupted unity or ignoring one’s shared responsibilities were considered serious breeches of conduct.  Punishment was exclusion or expulsion.    Cutting, privatizing or eliminating Social Security would be considered a serious breech of conduct.  You’d probably be expelled on the first day Howbri.  LOL

  • Anonymous

    And who did the Indians fight for this land, since they also were not the first here?
    They seem to only want to look back a very short time in the history of this land so they can make their claims. No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today. Get over it. We don’t care what our ancestors may or may not have done to your ancestors. It’s ancient history, and in that time period, it happened all over the world.
    You should also do a little more research before you portray the Indians of history as peace loving little flower children.

  • Regular Joe

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today. ”  

    My heavens!  You are more omniscient than even John Ashcroft!!  How else could you possibly know the experiences of every single native American in this country today?  And you must certainly be quite an optimistic Pollyanna to think that the history of how one group treated another has no bearing on their current experiences.  The colonists and settlers treated them badly but certainly that didn’t filter down to the way white men treat them now.  Do you say the same thing about blacks-”sure, they were treated badly as slaves, but there are no slave owners or slaves today, so get over it”?

  • Anonymous

    Guess that is indirectly then.
    Bryan Fischer:
    Native Americans lost their lands because they were “morally disqualified” to keep them – if they had just converted to christianity and assimilated to European/Christian culture  (American Family Association whom he repesents removed this February post from their site).
    Likened African Americans to rabbits and defended the 3/5 compromise, Muslims convert to christianity or face fatal consequences, Freedom of Religion addresses christianity only, all other religions are not included,  gays are N4zis  (figuratively and literally) – are to blame for the Holocaust … are domestic terrorists… should be banned from teaching, holding public office and serving as judges, homosexuality should be re-criminalized and should be forced into rehabilitative programs.
    David Barton:
    Believes that the Founding Fathers were Christians who wanted the country ruled according to biblical precepts, religious minorities need to assimilate to christian culture, Freedom of Religion addresses christian denomination only, excluding all other religions, promotes 7 Mountains Dominionism (look it up if you don’t know what it is),  defends the 3/5 compromise as evidence that the christian founders were anti-slavery, homosexuality should be regulated by the government and points out punishments for sodomy from the 1700s, 1800s and earlier.

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today”.

    BIA is withholding millions and millions in oil royalties.
    Promised services like physical and mental health have never been implemented or are sub-standard
    Coal and oil leases are not honored
    Water rights have been denied
    Water rights limitations in leases to coal companies have been ignored
    Reservation land has been taken and is still being taken away when it turns out a corporation wants it. 
    Reservations have been used for toxic waste dumps
    Discrimination against Native Americans is alive and thriving

  • Anonymous

    About 10% of the Bible has some value for man, the other 90% is just a fiction created by a bunch of dehydrated guys who spent too much time in the dessert.  ”God” is a delusion, “He” doesn’t exist, at least he never seems to show up here on earth.

  • Anonymous

    Without the sun it would all be over in about five minutes. Better be thankful for it.

    And it comes up everyday, where’s your God?  And the moon? ….. well, no moon no tides. 

  • Anonymous

    ALL HAIL HIS NOODLY APPENDAGES!!!!!!! RAMEN. 

  • Anonymous

    Social programs are not bankrupting this country howbri, the lack of jobs that pay a living wage and therefore contribute to the tax base is where the problem is. We have never had a problem with taking good care of every citizen in this country until we sent all our manufacturing jobs overseas. The wages in this country are stuck in the early 90′s while the cost of everything continues to rise on a regular basis. The tax base is shrinking at an alarming rate due to the lack of jobs that pay enough to pay any taxes. Our politicians continue to take the easy route by advocating kicking the chair out from under the less fortunate among us to trim the budget instead of bringing the jobs back here and increasing the flow of money into the coiffures of government. That would infuriate the top 1% of the wealthiest so called “Americans” who have seen their pots of gold increase by 300% since the advent of “free’ trade. And as dim witted as our politicians are, they do know which side their bread is buttered on. The rest of us are toast.  Follow the money until the stench rises, then just follow your nose right to the source of all our problems. Greed.

  • Anonymous

    Social programs are not bankrupting this country howbri, the lack of jobs that pay a living wage and therefore contribute to the tax base is where the problem is. We have never had a problem with taking good care of every citizen in this country until we sent all our manufacturing jobs overseas. The wages in this country are stuck in the early 90′s while the cost of everything continues to rise on a regular basis. The tax base is shrinking at an alarming rate due to the lack of jobs that pay enough to pay any taxes. Our politicians continue to take the easy route by advocating kicking the chair out from under the less fortunate among us to trim the budget instead of bringing the jobs back here and increasing the flow of money into the coiffures of government. That would infuriate the top 1% of the wealthiest so called “Americans” who have seen their pots of gold increase by 300% since the advent of “free’ trade. And as dim witted as our politicians are, they do know which side their bread is buttered on. The rest of us are toast.  Follow the money until the stench rises, then just follow your nose right to the source of all our problems. Greed.

  • Anonymous

    Social programs are not bankrupting this country howbri, the lack of jobs that pay a living wage and therefore contribute to the tax base is where the problem is. We have never had a problem with taking good care of every citizen in this country until we sent all our manufacturing jobs overseas. The wages in this country are stuck in the early 90′s while the cost of everything continues to rise on a regular basis. The tax base is shrinking at an alarming rate due to the lack of jobs that pay enough to pay any taxes. Our politicians continue to take the easy route by advocating kicking the chair out from under the less fortunate among us to trim the budget instead of bringing the jobs back here and increasing the flow of money into the coiffures of government. That would infuriate the top 1% of the wealthiest so called “Americans” who have seen their pots of gold increase by 300% since the advent of “free’ trade. And as dim witted as our politicians are, they do know which side their bread is buttered on. The rest of us are toast.  Follow the money until the stench rises, then just follow your nose right to the source of all our problems. Greed.

  • Anonymous

    Social programs are not bankrupting this country howbri, the lack of jobs that pay a living wage and therefore contribute to the tax base is where the problem is. We have never had a problem with taking good care of every citizen in this country until we sent all our manufacturing jobs overseas. The wages in this country are stuck in the early 90′s while the cost of everything continues to rise on a regular basis. The tax base is shrinking at an alarming rate due to the lack of jobs that pay enough to pay any taxes. Our politicians continue to take the easy route by advocating kicking the chair out from under the less fortunate among us to trim the budget instead of bringing the jobs back here and increasing the flow of money into the coiffures of government. That would infuriate the top 1% of the wealthiest so called “Americans” who have seen their pots of gold increase by 300% since the advent of “free’ trade. And as dim witted as our politicians are, they do know which side their bread is buttered on. The rest of us are toast.  Follow the money until the stench rises, then just follow your nose right to the source of all our problems. Greed.

  • Anonymous

    Your ignorance of history, sociology and anthropology is apparent. Not all tribes used tepees as their living quarters. There were a variety of structures that were used. There is no reason not to believe that they would have continued to live in the same manner that they had lived for the next 10,000 years. Not all tribes were waring tribes. 

    As I recall it was the illegal immigrants that came to this continent that starved to death here because they had invaded this land but lacked the proper equipment and knowledge to survive even for a winter. The starvation of the indigenous population of this country came after the land was invaded.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002402123282 Robin Beck

    kcjonez, thank you! I will not take this as a feeling of all Mainers! LOL. D. Robin Beck

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002402123282 Robin Beck

    kcjonez, thank you! I will not take this as a feeling of all Mainers! LOL. D. Robin Beck

  • Anonymous

    “This might be the tipping point of our nation turning back to God for righteousness in our laws, and stopping the progressive liberalism that has taken us to the cliff where we find ourselves.”

    Oh Penny! You sound so welcoming and open to all sorts of diverse kinds of prayer. 

  • Anonymous

    That’s enough, hypocrite. You constantly stereotype, smear and bash other groups. You don’t get to cry and act like a huge victim when it happens to you.

  • Anonymous

    Not all human beings had/have a fight and concur mentality (although we have ample evidence that many Christians did when they came to this continent).  Those who migrated to this continent first didn’t have to fight anyone for the land, they were the first people to migrate to this continent, thus the word indigenous.

    In my post I actually did refer to the past 10,000 years. The jest of it was to bring attention to the 10,000 years that they lived here before the land was invaded, the people murdered and the land conquered. That does not seem like a short time in history.

    You say, “No Indian alive today has had any wrong done to them by anyone else alive today.” Tell that to the thousands of Native people who were ripped from their homes in the middle part of the last century and sent away to boarding homes by the United States government. These people are still alive and still dealing with the trauma that comes from having everyone and everything taken from you as a child. 

    “In the last century, many children were taken from
    their families and homes and were placed into boarding schools where their hair
    was cut and they wore forced to wear formal clothing. The children were not
    allowed to speak their language or to practice any of their spiritual teachings
    and traditions that had been the focal point of their lives. Many were
    indoctrinated into the Catholic religion. Wabanaki children were sent to the
    Carlisle Indian Industrial School in Pennslyvania. Though it was closed in the
    1960s, it is still fresh in the memory of numerous tribal members.
     
    In 1960, the Bureau of Indian Affairs and Child Welfare
    league of America introduced the “Indian Adoption Project” which was another
    policy designed to take Native children from their homes. Many were adopted into
    non-Indian homes and were completely disconnected from their cultural history,
    traditions and practices. They were not told of their heritage and were forced
    to live as if they were white. This caused great hardship for many because they
    sensed that they were different.
     
    Native children were removed from their homes and
    communities at a per capita rate 19 times greater than that of non-native
    children and it was occurring all over the country. Congress approved the
    “Indian Child Welfare Act” in 1978 after recognizing the unique relationship
    that natives have with their children, and the important relationship that they
    have with nature and with one another. It required the state welfare department
    to notify the tribe when a native child was a part of welfare proceedings, but
    well into the 1980s the guidelines were not be followed and there was
    non-compliance.” 

  • Anonymous

    Not only is 90% of the bible fiction but it’s fiction from other and earlier tribal sources.  So, what we have here is a god that is too lazy or too stupid to come up with original stories and resorts to plagiarizing.   Nice!. 

  • Anonymous

    “Worshiping the sun and moon?”Makes as much sense as worshiping a 2000-year dead carpenter.  Not that there is anything wrong with good carpenters, Maine has its share.

    Keep your solicitations to your special friend in the sky private, and out of our STATEhouse.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    Exactly the reason why  “Christian” excuse makers torment world populations today and get away with it.

  • yowsayowsa1

    Bob Croce

     RQ should be able to do whatever she wants with her land.

     It’s the “rest of the story” that she and her friends from Restore; The North Woods are not talking about that has all of northern Maine in turmoil.

     Her vision and the vision of her cohorts is to establish an eco-preserve stretching from the western edge of the Adirondack Park all the way to the northern Maine/Canadian border controlled by a Washington bureaucracy called the National Park Service.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, amconservative, for continuing to use the same format to comment on each and every letter.  

    It makes it so much easier to scroll past your comments each day, unread.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    The Sioux have never been paid for the Black Hills . Our highest courts acknowledged the crime and its excessive deceit yet forced no payment. White folks care not about moral degradation, only the profit received from it.

  • Anonymous

     ”You may think you are correct, but remember this — the Bible was written by the same people who said the earth was flat.”

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I find a day of public prayer which is being embraced by Christians is actually in opposition to what Christ taught. There are multiple references to Jesus praying but he always went off to pray alone and in solitude.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I find a day of public prayer which is being embraced by Christians is actually in opposition to what Christ taught. There are multiple references to Jesus praying but he always went off to pray alone and in solitude.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I find a day of public prayer which is being embraced by Christians is actually in opposition to what Christ taught. There are multiple references to Jesus praying but he always went off to pray alone and in solitude.

  • Anonymous

    shocker…

  • Anonymous

    Wow, just when I thought the ignorance and bigotry on this board has hit a new low, I’m proven wrong…

  • Anonymous

    Wow, just when I thought the ignorance and bigotry on this board has hit a new low, I’m proven wrong…

  • Anonymous

    Wow, just when I thought the ignorance and bigotry on this board has hit a new low, I’m proven wrong…

  • Anonymous

    Wow, just when I thought the ignorance and bigotry on this board has hit a new low, I’m proven wrong…

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    Who was first, then? 

  • Anonymous

    That’s the book of YOUR god, not mine. That’s the point of this whole debate: keep YOUR god to YOURSELF.

  • Anonymous

    I too have been touched by his noodly appendage.

  • Anonymous

    Makes more sense than worshiping an unseen sky man. At least the sun and moon are REAL.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    America also has slavery at it’s roots… Things change for the better.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    America also has slavery at it’s roots… Things change for the better.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    America also has slavery at it’s roots… Things change for the better.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    America also has slavery at it’s roots… Things change for the better.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    America also has slavery at it’s roots… Things change for the better.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    America also has slavery at it’s roots… Things change for the better.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    America also has slavery at it’s roots… Things change for the better.

  • Anonymous

     ”The righteousness of law” in the old testament was following the commandments to the letter.  They were told that if they did so they would not be punished or cursed with stoning, the death penalty, plagues, floods, famines etc.   Imagine their surprise when the realized that people were being punished and cursed even though they followed the law. In seeing this, salvation or “righteousness of faith” was added to the mix in the new testament.  This is why those who identify themselves as “saved” and follow the commandments don’t get sick, are successful in all that they do, are safe from their enemies, are not impacted by famine, natural disasters or war and have longer lives than anyone else …. unless of course they slipped up somewhere.

  • Anonymous

     ”The righteousness of law” in the old testament was following the commandments to the letter.  They were told that if they did so they would not be punished or cursed with stoning, the death penalty, plagues, floods, famines etc.   Imagine their surprise when the realized that people were being punished and cursed even though they followed the law. In seeing this, salvation or “righteousness of faith” was added to the mix in the new testament.  This is why those who identify themselves as “saved” and follow the commandments don’t get sick, are successful in all that they do, are safe from their enemies, are not impacted by famine, natural disasters or war and have longer lives than anyone else …. unless of course they slipped up somewhere.

  • kcjonez

    I believe the term is ethnocentrism, which is just a sort of cultural validation of egocentrism–another term for immaturity.  

  • kcjonez

    I believe the term is ethnocentrism, which is just a sort of cultural validation of egocentrism–another term for immaturity.  

  • Anonymous

    Welcome yes  …. but only if they pray in the name of Jesus.  This is major rule requirement according to the Response site.  You can’t pray in the name of: Creator, God, Holy Spirit, Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah etc …. Surely there will be security to take care of anyone who prays in

  • Anonymous

    I’m saving paper and helping the environment.

  • kcjonez

    The last time I posted that, some hidden censor misconstrued it as being vulgar, I guess, and my comment was removed.  I hope you don’t suffer the same fate for your profession of your faith.  

  • kcjonez

    The last time I posted that, some hidden censor misconstrued it as being vulgar, I guess, and my comment was removed.  I hope you don’t suffer the same fate for your profession of your faith.  

  • kcjonez

    The last time I posted that, some hidden censor misconstrued it as being vulgar, I guess, and my comment was removed.  I hope you don’t suffer the same fate for your profession of your faith.  

  • kcjonez

    The last time I posted that, some hidden censor misconstrued it as being vulgar, I guess, and my comment was removed.  I hope you don’t suffer the same fate for your profession of your faith.  

  • kcjonez

    The last time I posted that, some hidden censor misconstrued it as being vulgar, I guess, and my comment was removed.  I hope you don’t suffer the same fate for your profession of your faith.  

  • kcjonez

    The last time I posted that, some hidden censor misconstrued it as being vulgar, I guess, and my comment was removed.  I hope you don’t suffer the same fate for your profession of your faith.  

  • kcjonez

    The last time I posted that, some hidden censor misconstrued it as being vulgar, I guess, and my comment was removed.  I hope you don’t suffer the same fate for your profession of your faith.  

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    The sanctimonious  decided to pray.
    On a podium, they stood up to display;
    Their smug satisfaction
    That God belonged to their faction;
    What an embarrassment for God on that day.

  • Anonymous

    You just removed any doubt as to your ignorance and total lack of respect for those that do not worship as you worship.

  • Anonymous

    Pastafarians suffer all sorts of discrimination.  It’s very sad.

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    For what it’s worth, major liberal voices are shifting away from ‘big wind’:

    “Earlier this month, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. came out with another
    broadside (this one in the Wall Street Journal) against the Cape Wind project
    off Cape Cod, not far from the Kennedy clan’s place in Hyannisport. Kennedy
    says New England shouldn’t put 130 wind turbines in Nantucket Sound, instead,
    it should import hydropower from Canada. He neglected to say that Cape Wind
    likely won’t ever get built because the Department of Energy is withholding its
    financing of the project.”

    …you never know who that NIMBY is going to be, do you?

  • Anonymous

    Your  view of  Native American Culture and governance is both simplistic,  stereotyped, and superficial!

    Were you to spend a day at the Peabody Museum at Harvard, you’d LEARN about the great variety and diversity  among the 300 + Native subcultures. From the Algonquin Confederacy and the Seven Nations of Canada, to blood thirsty nomads in the S.W.,and ‘hippie’ tribes who lived in the Los Angeles Desert and the communal groups on the Coast of Washington and British Columbia.

    I had no idea there was such an amazing diversity among all these different tribes; some of who were admired, and others despised and shunned. 

  • Anonymous

    Your  view of  Native American Culture and governance is both simplistic,  stereotyped, and superficial!

    Were you to spend a day at the Peabody Museum at Harvard, you’d LEARN about the great variety and diversity  among the 300 + Native subcultures. From the Algonquin Confederacy and the Seven Nations of Canada, to blood thirsty nomads in the S.W.,and ‘hippie’ tribes who lived in the Los Angeles Desert and the communal groups on the Coast of Washington and British Columbia.

    I had no idea there was such an amazing diversity among all these different tribes; some of who were admired, and others despised and shunned. 

  • Anonymous

    An eco-preserve.  Sounds good to me.

  • Anonymous

    An eco-preserve.  Sounds good to me.

  • Anonymous

    An eco-preserve.  Sounds good to me.

  • Anonymous

    It happened all over the world mostly by Christians and you call Muslims the terrorists!

  • Anonymous

    It happened all over the world mostly by Christians and you call Muslims the terrorists!

  • Anonymous

    It happened all over the world mostly by Christians and you call Muslims the terrorists!

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for  alerting me to the  diversity of Native American culture.  However, I was speaking about tribal societies in general and they all share the above characteristics.  The statement that greed is not a characteristic is true about almost all Native American cultures with the possible  (the operative word being possible)  exception of the later phases of the Mississippian Culture. 

    You are right.  The Peabody is an exciting and  valuable resource.  Could I also recommend the Anchorage Museum of History and Art, Alaska;  The Warm Springs Tribal Museum, Oregon;  the assorted Mounds with accompanying museums around Chillicothe, Ohio;  Walnut Creek Canyon,  Arizona, The Herd Museum in Phoenix, Chaco Canyon, Canyon de Chelly, the comprehensive Museum of Eastern Native American life and history at Foxwoods, Connecticut; a well researched restoration of a  pueblo and museum at Aztec, NM; the fun and funky little Iroquois Museum off I88 near Howe Caverns, NY; The Cree Cultural Center in Misstassini, Que    and  the stunningly beautiful Museum of the American Indian in Washington, D.C.

    And for a  fun evening you can’t beat the conversation,  excitement and good food at the Crown Point rug auction  Crown Point, NM, the second Friday night of every month.  Best prices, best weaving and absolutely the best fry bread and beans you’ll ever eat. 

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for  alerting me to the  diversity of Native American culture.  However, I was speaking about tribal societies in general and they all share the above characteristics.  The statement that greed is not a characteristic is true about almost all Native American cultures with the possible  (the operative word being possible)  exception of the later phases of the Mississippian Culture. 

    You are right.  The Peabody is an exciting and  valuable resource.  Could I also recommend the Anchorage Museum of History and Art, Alaska;  The Warm Springs Tribal Museum, Oregon;  the assorted Mounds with accompanying museums around Chillicothe, Ohio;  Walnut Creek Canyon,  Arizona, The Herd Museum in Phoenix, Chaco Canyon, Canyon de Chelly, the comprehensive Museum of Eastern Native American life and history at Foxwoods, Connecticut; a well researched restoration of a  pueblo and museum at Aztec, NM; the fun and funky little Iroquois Museum off I88 near Howe Caverns, NY; The Cree Cultural Center in Misstassini, Que    and  the stunningly beautiful Museum of the American Indian in Washington, D.C.

    And for a  fun evening you can’t beat the conversation,  excitement and good food at the Crown Point rug auction  Crown Point, NM, the second Friday night of every month.  Best prices, best weaving and absolutely the best fry bread and beans you’ll ever eat. 

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for  alerting me to the  diversity of Native American culture.  However, I was speaking about tribal societies in general and they all share the above characteristics.  The statement that greed is not a characteristic is true about almost all Native American cultures with the possible  (the operative word being possible)  exception of the later phases of the Mississippian Culture. 

    You are right.  The Peabody is an exciting and  valuable resource.  Could I also recommend the Anchorage Museum of History and Art, Alaska;  The Warm Springs Tribal Museum, Oregon;  the assorted Mounds with accompanying museums around Chillicothe, Ohio;  Walnut Creek Canyon,  Arizona, The Herd Museum in Phoenix, Chaco Canyon, Canyon de Chelly, the comprehensive Museum of Eastern Native American life and history at Foxwoods, Connecticut; a well researched restoration of a  pueblo and museum at Aztec, NM; the fun and funky little Iroquois Museum off I88 near Howe Caverns, NY; The Cree Cultural Center in Misstassini, Que    and  the stunningly beautiful Museum of the American Indian in Washington, D.C.

    And for a  fun evening you can’t beat the conversation,  excitement and good food at the Crown Point rug auction  Crown Point, NM, the second Friday night of every month.  Best prices, best weaving and absolutely the best fry bread and beans you’ll ever eat. 

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for  alerting me to the  diversity of Native American culture.  However, I was speaking about tribal societies in general and they all share the above characteristics.  The statement that greed is not a characteristic is true about almost all Native American cultures with the possible  (the operative word being possible)  exception of the later phases of the Mississippian Culture. 

    You are right.  The Peabody is an exciting and  valuable resource.  Could I also recommend the Anchorage Museum of History and Art, Alaska;  The Warm Springs Tribal Museum, Oregon;  the assorted Mounds with accompanying museums around Chillicothe, Ohio;  Walnut Creek Canyon,  Arizona, The Herd Museum in Phoenix, Chaco Canyon, Canyon de Chelly, the comprehensive Museum of Eastern Native American life and history at Foxwoods, Connecticut; a well researched restoration of a  pueblo and museum at Aztec, NM; the fun and funky little Iroquois Museum off I88 near Howe Caverns, NY; The Cree Cultural Center in Misstassini, Que    and  the stunningly beautiful Museum of the American Indian in Washington, D.C.

    And for a  fun evening you can’t beat the conversation,  excitement and good food at the Crown Point rug auction  Crown Point, NM, the second Friday night of every month.  Best prices, best weaving and absolutely the best fry bread and beans you’ll ever eat. 

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for  alerting me to the  diversity of Native American culture.  However, I was speaking about tribal societies in general and they all share the above characteristics.  The statement that greed is not a characteristic is true about almost all Native American cultures with the possible  (the operative word being possible)  exception of the later phases of the Mississippian Culture. 

    You are right.  The Peabody is an exciting and  valuable resource.  Could I also recommend the Anchorage Museum of History and Art, Alaska;  The Warm Springs Tribal Museum, Oregon;  the assorted Mounds with accompanying museums around Chillicothe, Ohio;  Walnut Creek Canyon,  Arizona, The Herd Museum in Phoenix, Chaco Canyon, Canyon de Chelly, the comprehensive Museum of Eastern Native American life and history at Foxwoods, Connecticut; a well researched restoration of a  pueblo and museum at Aztec, NM; the fun and funky little Iroquois Museum off I88 near Howe Caverns, NY; The Cree Cultural Center in Misstassini, Que    and  the stunningly beautiful Museum of the American Indian in Washington, D.C.

    And for a  fun evening you can’t beat the conversation,  excitement and good food at the Crown Point rug auction  Crown Point, NM, the second Friday night of every month.  Best prices, best weaving and absolutely the best fry bread and beans you’ll ever eat. 

  • Anonymous

    I see we are here pulling the Christian vs the Muslim card by reading the comments below…..
    I bet the ones commenting about it know nothing about neither religions..

  • Anonymous

    I see we are here pulling the Christian vs the Muslim card by reading the comments below…..
    I bet the ones commenting about it know nothing about neither religions..

  • Anonymous

    Penny and Suzanne…How people of this day and age can possibly be blinded by fairy tales is beyond me, but the two of you are shining examples…Probably believe that tax cuts for the wealthy drive the economy as well…and maybe even the Tooth Fairy…but science? Nooooooooooooo…

  • Anonymous

    Penny and Suzanne…How people of this day and age can possibly be blinded by fairy tales is beyond me, but the two of you are shining examples…Probably believe that tax cuts for the wealthy drive the economy as well…and maybe even the Tooth Fairy…but science? Nooooooooooooo…

  • Anonymous

    Penny and Suzanne…How people of this day and age can possibly be blinded by fairy tales is beyond me, but the two of you are shining examples…Probably believe that tax cuts for the wealthy drive the economy as well…and maybe even the Tooth Fairy…but science? Nooooooooooooo…

  • Anonymous

    Muslims??????  Who said anything about Muslims?   And you’d be surprised how much we do know about religion.  Those that are skeptical are often the ones that have read and thought about a subject the most and do not accept anything on blind faith.  

  • Anonymous

    Muslims??????  Who said anything about Muslims?   And you’d be surprised how much we do know about religion.  Those that are skeptical are often the ones that have read and thought about a subject the most and do not accept anything on blind faith.  

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    If you want to learn about the Maine tribes visit The Abbe Museum in Bar Harbor.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    The Native Amreicans (Indians) of Maine never lived in teepees.  Teepees were the dwellings of the Plains Indians.  Before Columbus landed in the Americas the average Native American lived a more prosperous and healthier life than the average European (who was likely to be a serf), so maybe you need to brush up on your history.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a wonderfully informative museum!!!   They also sponsor archeological digs which if you have a good back are fascinating.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a wonderfully informative museum!!!   They also sponsor archeological digs which if you have a good back are fascinating.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, msally. 
    P. Morrel is incorrect when her letter states that the day of fasting and prayer being organized for Aug. 6 by Gov. Rick Perry follows a  ”Judeo-Christian” system.  There’s certainly no “Judeo” in it. Perry’s event, planned for a large stadium (in violation of Jesus’ instructions to pray in private, and not be like the hypocrites who pray publicly) has adopted a fundamentalist Christian creed that excludes all who do not accept Christ as God and/or do not accept the infallibility of the Bible.  It’s all on their web site.  So Jews, Catholics and main-line Protestants are excluded, not to mention American Buddhists, Muslims, and others.

  • Anonymous

    Howbri, you have much to learn.

  • Anonymous

    Howbri, you have much to learn.

  • Anonymous

    Surveys show that atheists and agnostics are more likely than professed Christians to know what the Bible says.  Why?  Probably because agnostics and atheists have struggled more with the religious questions, so they have studied the evidence more than those who complacently accept everything they have been taught.

  • Anonymous

    Surveys show that atheists and agnostics are more likely than professed Christians to know what the Bible says.  Why?  Probably because agnostics and atheists have struggled more with the religious questions, so they have studied the evidence more than those who complacently accept everything they have been taught.

  • Anonymous

    Surveys show that atheists and agnostics are more likely than professed Christians to know what the Bible says.  Why?  Probably because agnostics and atheists have struggled more with the religious questions, so they have studied the evidence more than those who complacently accept everything they have been taught.

  • Anonymous

    Surveys show that atheists and agnostics are more likely than professed Christians to know what the Bible says.  Why?  Probably because agnostics and atheists have struggled more with the religious questions, so they have studied the evidence more than those who complacently accept everything they have been taught.

  • Anonymous

    Surveys show that atheists and agnostics are more likely than professed Christians to know what the Bible says.  Why?  Probably because agnostics and atheists have struggled more with the religious questions, so they have studied the evidence more than those who complacently accept everything they have been taught.

  • Anonymous

    Surveys show that atheists and agnostics are more likely than professed Christians to know what the Bible says.  Why?  Probably because agnostics and atheists have struggled more with the religious questions, so they have studied the evidence more than those who complacently accept everything they have been taught.

  • Anonymous

    Surveys show that atheists and agnostics are more likely than professed Christians to know what the Bible says.  Why?  Probably because agnostics and atheists have struggled more with the religious questions, so they have studied the evidence more than those who complacently accept everything they have been taught.

  • Anonymous

    So what is the problem? We need to have land preserved

  • Anonymous

    Religion is a crutch….

  • Anonymous

    Religion is a crutch…Nothing more…..It makes people feel good about themselves…

  • Anonymous

    Yes Mislims……Muslims, Muslum’s…
    Koran, coran etc…….
    Bibil, bibal etc…….
    I will spell it any way I like..

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t commenting on your spelling.  God knows I’d be lost without a spell checker.  I was commenting on the Muslim card.  I was mystified by your reference since no one had mentioned Muslims.  

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t commenting on your spelling.  God knows I’d be lost without a spell checker.  I was commenting on the Muslim card.  I was mystified by your reference since no one had mentioned Muslims.  

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t commenting on your spelling.  God knows I’d be lost without a spell checker.  I was commenting on the Muslim card.  I was mystified by your reference since no one had mentioned Muslims.  

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t commenting on your spelling.  God knows I’d be lost without a spell checker.  I was commenting on the Muslim card.  I was mystified by your reference since no one had mentioned Muslims.  

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t commenting on your spelling.  God knows I’d be lost without a spell checker.  I was commenting on the Muslim card.  I was mystified by your reference since no one had mentioned Muslims.  

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t commenting on your spelling.  God knows I’d be lost without a spell checker.  I was commenting on the Muslim card.  I was mystified by your reference since no one had mentioned Muslims.  

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t commenting on your spelling.  God knows I’d be lost without a spell checker.  I was commenting on the Muslim card.  I was mystified by your reference since no one had mentioned Muslims.  

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t commenting on your spelling.  God knows I’d be lost without a spell checker.  I was commenting on the Muslim card.  I was mystified by your reference since no one had mentioned Muslims.  

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t commenting on your spelling.  God knows I’d be lost without a spell checker.  I was commenting on the Muslim card.  I was mystified by your reference since no one had mentioned Muslims.  

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t commenting on your spelling.  God knows I’d be lost without a spell checker.  I was commenting on the Muslim card.  I was mystified by your reference since no one had mentioned Muslims.  

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t commenting on your spelling.  God knows I’d be lost without a spell checker.  I was commenting on the Muslim card.  I was mystified by your reference since no one had mentioned Muslims.  

  • Anonymous

    I wasn’t commenting on your spelling.  God knows I’d be lost without a spell checker.  I was commenting on the Muslim card.  I was mystified by your reference since no one had mentioned Muslims.  

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

    And that’s fine.  I don’t mind crutches.  I don’t mind people feeling good about themselves.  What I mind is our governor declaring a day of prayer and all the christians chiming in with in your face “Yeah we are going to have a day of prayer and pray to get rid of all you progressives”   

    1. That doesn’t seem very christian or prayerful
    2. It’s stupid, God isn’t going to side with the christians just because they hate someone.
    3. It’s beginning to look a lot like government sanction of a particular brand of religion and that’s a Constitutional no-no. 
    4.  The whole thing is taking on a rather nasty look of political vigilantism.

  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    Got what?

  • Anonymous

    The fact that the Noah story is actually ripped off from other earlier texts should be enough to make a person wonder about the reality of the other biblical stories.
    I myself am quite a fiscal conservative. I always have issues with anyone or any politician who tries to use religion in discussing civil matters.

  • Anonymous

    The fact that the Noah story is actually ripped off from other earlier texts should be enough to make a person wonder about the reality of the other biblical stories.
    I myself am quite a fiscal conservative. I always have issues with anyone or any politician who tries to use religion in discussing civil matters.

  • Anonymous

    The fact that the Noah story is actually ripped off from other earlier texts should be enough to make a person wonder about the reality of the other biblical stories.
    I myself am quite a fiscal conservative. I always have issues with anyone or any politician who tries to use religion in discussing civil matters.

  • Anonymous

    I have known many people who are practitioners of Pastafarianism. good people, all of them.

  • Anonymous

    Robin Beck, Lisa Laser:  good letters.
    Penny Morrell, Suzanne Waterhouse:  many people, including many Christians are dubious about the politicization of prayer by the Governors, something that should be personal and private.

  • Anonymous

    Guess your limited education didn’t inform you about the large and powerful cities at Cahoika near St. Louis, others in the south, the Aztecs and Mayas in Mexico, the Iroquois Nation, etc.  Sure there was warfare and most of it after the arrival of Europeans was induced by that arrival and colonization.

  • Anonymous

    All the more reason to refute Howsbri’s simplistic views.

  • Anonymous

    All the more reason to refute Howsbri’s simplistic views.

  • Anonymous

    All the more reason to refute Howsbri’s simplistic views.

  • Anonymous

    All the more reason to refute Howsbri’s simplistic views.

  • Anonymous

    So who were “first here”?

  • Anonymous

    Oh, I read them.  Just to see what he’s preaching currently.  He’s (? I assume he) is quite predictable but fun to look for any glitches in his stance.  Of course the stances themsleves have pleny of “glitches” (and worse).

  • Anonymous

    Even more Christians than literalists value the Bible as more than what the literalists profess (with extensive redaction to suit their views, of course).  I’m not impressed with many of your efforts to “set us straight”.  However, I don’t necessarily agree with some of the flack you do catch.

  • Anonymous

    Great Limerick!

  • Anonymous

    Great Limerick!

  • Anonymous

    Great Limerick!

  • Anonymous

    More like the rest of us are always getting “bashed” by self-proclaimed Christians.

  • Anonymous

    My father has been associated with the museum for many years and I have visted some of the dig sights in the past. Fascinating indeed. 

  • Anonymous

    My father has been associated with the museum for many years and I have visted some of the dig sights in the past. Fascinating indeed. 

  • Anonymous

    That’s arrogance of the first order.

  • Anonymous

    That’s arrogance of the first order.

  • Anonymous

    That’s arrogance of the first order.

  • Anonymous

    And many of us non-conservative, non-literalist Christians also attempt to know what the Bible says (and doesn’t say).  We study the Bible in groups, nourishing ourselves by asking and attempting to answer the many questions that arise when studying the Bible (and associated works, of course).

  • Anonymous

    And many of us non-conservative, non-literalist Christians also attempt to know what the Bible says (and doesn’t say).  We study the Bible in groups, nourishing ourselves by asking and attempting to answer the many questions that arise when studying the Bible (and associated works, of course).

  • Anonymous

    And many of us non-conservative, non-literalist Christians also attempt to know what the Bible says (and doesn’t say).  We study the Bible in groups, nourishing ourselves by asking and attempting to answer the many questions that arise when studying the Bible (and associated works, of course).

  • Anonymous

    And many of us non-conservative, non-literalist Christians also attempt to know what the Bible says (and doesn’t say).  We study the Bible in groups, nourishing ourselves by asking and attempting to answer the many questions that arise when studying the Bible (and associated works, of course).

  • Anonymous

    And many of us non-conservative, non-literalist Christians also attempt to know what the Bible says (and doesn’t say).  We study the Bible in groups, nourishing ourselves by asking and attempting to answer the many questions that arise when studying the Bible (and associated works, of course).

  • Anonymous

    And many of us non-conservative, non-literalist Christians also attempt to know what the Bible says (and doesn’t say).  We study the Bible in groups, nourishing ourselves by asking and attempting to answer the many questions that arise when studying the Bible (and associated works, of course).

  • Anonymous

    Have you seen the extinct sea otter jaw decorative item at the Abbe?  I was on the dig when it was discovered.   Fantastic moment, I’ll never forget it. 

  • Regular Joe

    I love msallyjones!!!

    She says everything so clearly and succinctly!  Perfect!!!

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    I got what you said  about my spelling, no problem…
    I thought you were making fun of my spelling, my mistake..
    Believe it or not I’m a very reasonable guy..

  • Anonymous

    Sorry you feel that way…
    But it is my right…
    Who are you to decide if it is arrogance????
    No one, bottom line Buckaroo…
    Nice thing about living in America…

  • Anonymous

    Sorry you feel that way…
    But it is my right…
    Who are you to decide if it is arrogance????
    No one, bottom line Buckaroo…
    Nice thing about living in America…

  • Anonymous

    Sorry you feel that way…
    But it is my right…
    Who are you to decide if it is arrogance????
    No one, bottom line Buckaroo…
    Nice thing about living in America…

  • Anonymous

    Sorry you feel that way…
    But it is my right…
    Who are you to decide if it is arrogance????
    No one, bottom line Buckaroo…
    Nice thing about living in America…

  • Anonymous

    Sorry you feel that way…
    But it is my right…
    Who are you to decide if it is arrogance????
    No one, bottom line Buckaroo…
    Nice thing about living in America…

  • Anonymous

    Sorry you feel that way…
    But it is my right…
    Who are you to decide if it is arrogance????
    No one, bottom line Buckaroo…
    Nice thing about living in America…

  • Anonymous

    Sorry you feel that way…
    But it is my right…
    Who are you to decide if it is arrogance????
    No one, bottom line Buckaroo…
    Nice thing about living in America…

  • Anonymous

    Sorry you feel that way…
    But it is my right…
    Who are you to decide if it is arrogance????
    No one, bottom line Buckaroo…
    Nice thing about living in America…

  • Anonymous

    Sorry you feel that way…
    But it is my right…
    Who are you to decide if it is arrogance????
    No one, bottom line Buckaroo…
    Nice thing about living in America…

  • Anonymous

    Sorry you feel that way…
    But it is my right…
    Who are you to decide if it is arrogance????
    No one, bottom line Buckaroo…
    Nice thing about living in America…

  • Anonymous

    So if it makes people feel good about themselves and makes them a better person for it who cares if it’s a crutch.  Some people need that in life, if people were to get rid of everything that makes them feel good as long as it isn’t something that hurts others than what’s it matter if it is a crutch or not.  Under that logic anything that makes you feel good is a crutch.

  • Anonymous

    Is he against wind power as a whole or just at that site because the rich and powerful don’t want to see those things outside in their backyards?  I’m not sold on wind power, but it’s funny how people in different parts of the country change their views when something is all of a sudden directly affects them or their ocean view.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t have a problem with it, it is their business…….

  • Anonymous

    I don’t have a problem with it, it is their business…….

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, Gopher.  I like your reply and agree with your approach to Scripture.
    I also consider myself to be a Christian, and because I take the Bible seriously I cannot possibly take all of it literally.  When it is taken completely literally, much of it becomes literal nonsense. 

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, Gopher.  I like your reply and agree with your approach to Scripture.
    I also consider myself to be a Christian, and because I take the Bible seriously I cannot possibly take all of it literally.  When it is taken completely literally, much of it becomes literal nonsense. 

  • Anonymous

    When is enough enough for preserved land.  We are not in such dire straits land wise where land needs to be preserved currently in Maine, but there certainly are many places where land needs to be conserved.  There is a difference between the terms.  We are stewards of the land and it’s resources, and resources should be used RESPONSIBLY and SUSTAINABLY.  If we put a ton of land into preserves it is likely that there will be a fundamental shift in support of the environment.  Currently outdoor recreationists put up a lot of money for conservation efforts, when land starts being preserved and access restricted and activities limited you begin to take away from that pool of people as they stop or shift their outdoor recreational activities, and then many will stop supporting wildlife.

  • Anonymous

    When is enough enough for preserved land.  We are not in such dire straits land wise where land needs to be preserved currently in Maine, but there certainly are many places where land needs to be conserved.  There is a difference between the terms.  We are stewards of the land and it’s resources, and resources should be used RESPONSIBLY and SUSTAINABLY.  If we put a ton of land into preserves it is likely that there will be a fundamental shift in support of the environment.  Currently outdoor recreationists put up a lot of money for conservation efforts, when land starts being preserved and access restricted and activities limited you begin to take away from that pool of people as they stop or shift their outdoor recreational activities, and then many will stop supporting wildlife.

  • Anonymous

    So what you are saying is that not all Christians are big bad Right Winger’s??????
    I thought they were.. According to most of the left that post here they say that is true..

  • Anonymous

    So what you are saying is that not all Christians are big bad Right Winger’s??????
    I thought they were.. According to most of the left that post here they say that is true..

  • Anonymous

    So what you are saying is that not all Christians are big bad Right Winger’s??????
    I thought they were.. According to most of the left that post here they say that is true..

  • Anonymous

    So what you are saying is that not all Christians are big bad Right Winger’s??????
    I thought they were.. According to most of the left that post here they say that is true..

  • Anonymous

    Well speaking in the literal sense they are real, but ancient cultures used them as physical representations for arguably fictitious/spiritual beings that may or may not exist depending on who you ask.  So philosophically speaking maybe they aren’t exactly “real”.

  • Anonymous

    Well speaking in the literal sense they are real, but ancient cultures used them as physical representations for arguably fictitious/spiritual beings that may or may not exist depending on who you ask.  So philosophically speaking maybe they aren’t exactly “real”.

  • Anonymous

    Well speaking in the literal sense they are real, but ancient cultures used them as physical representations for arguably fictitious/spiritual beings that may or may not exist depending on who you ask.  So philosophically speaking maybe they aren’t exactly “real”.

  • Anonymous

    Well speaking in the literal sense they are real, but ancient cultures used them as physical representations for arguably fictitious/spiritual beings that may or may not exist depending on who you ask.  So philosophically speaking maybe they aren’t exactly “real”.

  • Anonymous

    I just can’t agree with you on that, Stevey.  It may be a crutch for some, but many people (Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, etc.) take their faith seriously and live it intelligently and compassionately.
    And there’s nothing entirely wrong with crutches, you know.  Some people need them.  None of us are perfect, and nobody gets far in this world without the help of others.  I depend on others, others depend on me — and in religious community we depend on one another as well.  If that’s a crutch, then I’m for crutches, and even wheelchairs.

  • Anonymous

    I just can’t agree with you on that, Stevey.  It may be a crutch for some, but many people (Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, etc.) take their faith seriously and live it intelligently and compassionately.
    And there’s nothing entirely wrong with crutches, you know.  Some people need them.  None of us are perfect, and nobody gets far in this world without the help of others.  I depend on others, others depend on me — and in religious community we depend on one another as well.  If that’s a crutch, then I’m for crutches, and even wheelchairs.

  • Anonymous

    I just can’t agree with you on that, Stevey.  It may be a crutch for some, but many people (Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, etc.) take their faith seriously and live it intelligently and compassionately.
    And there’s nothing entirely wrong with crutches, you know.  Some people need them.  None of us are perfect, and nobody gets far in this world without the help of others.  I depend on others, others depend on me — and in religious community we depend on one another as well.  If that’s a crutch, then I’m for crutches, and even wheelchairs.

  • Anonymous

    I just can’t agree with you on that, Stevey.  It may be a crutch for some, but many people (Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, etc.) take their faith seriously and live it intelligently and compassionately.
    And there’s nothing entirely wrong with crutches, you know.  Some people need them.  None of us are perfect, and nobody gets far in this world without the help of others.  I depend on others, others depend on me — and in religious community we depend on one another as well.  If that’s a crutch, then I’m for crutches, and even wheelchairs.

  • Anonymous

    That’s actually not true, the moon augments the earths tides, doesn’t create them on it’s own.  The sun being a much larger entity though very far away also exerts force on the tides, without the moon it would exert more force, I don’t know how much exactly, but I do know that the tides are a combination of factors not of just one.

  • Anonymous

    If I remember my history lessons correctly the Aztecs where a constantly fighting wars, and the Mayans as well until their civilization “collapsed (2012 is the end by the way)”.  No one can know for certain I suppose but the historical data that I remember suggests that the Aztecs fought a lot before and during the european arrival.

  • Anonymous

    If I remember my history lessons correctly the Aztecs where a constantly fighting wars, and the Mayans as well until their civilization “collapsed (2012 is the end by the way)”.  No one can know for certain I suppose but the historical data that I remember suggests that the Aztecs fought a lot before and during the european arrival.

  • Anonymous

    Nice thing about living in America, we have opinions, yours could be right, mine could be right. Who decides???

  • Anonymous

    Nice thing about living in America, we have opinions, yours could be right, mine could be right. Who decides???

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and there was never any doubt.

  • Anonymous

    You can decide for yourself, and I can decide for myself.  There are many paths.  One of the great things about our country is that we allow people to make their own choices. 
    I think I’m a reasonable guy, too, and you and I probably agree on many things.

  • Anonymous

    I’m a Christian, a liberal, and a Democrat.  We do exist. 
    Decades ago I was a liberal Republican, but the Grand Old Party disappeared and has been replaced by the paranoid John Birch Society folks.

  • Anonymous

    I’m a Christian, a liberal, and a Democrat.  We do exist. 
    Decades ago I was a liberal Republican, but the Grand Old Party disappeared and has been replaced by the paranoid John Birch Society folks.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent summary, msally!  Thank you.
    Gov. Perry’s stadium prayer event is only for Christian fundamentalists — the creed on their web site makes that clear.  Did he spend any government money on it?  I’d like to know.
    On the other hand, Gov. Le Page’s proclamation is more general, and so I think Le Page probably didn’t violate church and state separation.

  • Anonymous

    I’m a liberal who regularly disagrees with howbri.  I’m also a Christian.  Many Christians have a sophisticated understanding of the value of the Bible, and have an educated and nuanced definition of God.  We are not all fundamentalists. 
    I encounter the Holy, the Sacredness of this world and this life, day in and day out.  Religious community, practice, and faith is vital to my life — so while I think I understand where you are coming from, I find the sarcasm to be unworthy of you.  I know that the rhetoric on these pages gets heated.  But let’s not stoop to the level of the bigots. 

  • Anonymous

    Your political affiliation, your religious choices don’t make you a bad or good person, it is the choices and actions you take in life towards others that make that determination.  People get so clouded by the “I’m a conservative/Liberal Democrat/Republican” crap and never give thought to the person behind the label.  It is likely that in most occasions if you were to have a conversation with someone in a different political or religious group than you without talking of those things that people would get a long just fine, you may have opposing viewpoints but if you put that aside you’d probably be pretty friendly with each other.  People just get so hung up on trivial stuff that they can’t leave behind them, and that is a fact.

  • Anonymous

    Funny that the Bible states quite clearly that the world is like a sphere hanging in the heavens. Never say a flat sphere before.

  • Anonymous

    Not all changes are for the better. Not by a long shot.

  • Penny Gray

    A thought provoking letter, Linda Laser.  I’ve lived off grid for over twenty six years on solar and have no quarrels with it, but do your homework on industrial wind. That’s a whole ‘nother ball game, and not at all a green one, if you’re talking environment and not federal subsidy dollars.
    Roxanne Quimby’s vision deserves a great deal more respect.  I wonder if Percival Baxter and Teddy Roosevelt were equally villified.Seven generations.  Thinking that far ahead is beyond most of us, but not all.

  • Anonymous

    msally, I generally like your comments, but I’m going to disagree with you here.  Your sarcasm about the Bible is not helpful. 
    So here’s how I see it.  The Bible (a collection of 64 books, by many different authors, written over many hundreds of years in two different ancient languages, and edited and collected by other scholars over a very long period of time) is a great library of religious wisdom.  It is a wonderful religious classic, the first part (the Hebrew Bible) is the foundational book of Judaism, and when the New Testament is included, the Bible is indispensable to Christianity.  It is the record of our religious forebears’ quest for, and encounter with, God (or, if you prefer, the Sacred or the Holy).
    Because it is a library of books, not just one book, and because it was written by many authors, it contains many genres of literature.  It is a collection of history, poetry, hymns, philosophy, parables, mythology, theology, visions and apocalyptic writings, religious tracts, prose, wisdom literature, etc. 
    Not all of the authors meant for all of their writing to taken literally — that’s the mistake of modern fundamentalists who can’t tell the difference between poetry, hymns, and parables, on the one hand, and history and theology on the other.
    When people asked him questions, Jesus almost never gave a simple straightforward answer.  He would answer a question with another question (like a rabbi often does).  Or he would tell a teaching story, a parable.  Are parables fiction?  You might say that.  But a parable is much more than that.  The Bible is full of stories — and again, the fundamentalists make the mistake of taking all of these stories literally.
    But the mis-use of the Bible in the hands of bigots, and the way modern fundamentalists fail to grasp the complexity,  richness, and meaning of the texts, does not take away from the beauty, importance, and greatness of this magnificent religious resource.
    Now, I’d be willing to guess that howbri and EJ and others would totally disagree with me — but I’m also a Christian, and the Bible is important to me, and that’s how I understand it. 
    So, when you are disrespectful of the Bible, you are not just being disrespectful of howbri and EJ, you are also being disrespectful of me, a liberal Christian.
    Otherwise, msally, keep up the good work!

  • Anonymous

    Please read my rather long post to msallyjones on this topic.

  • Anonymous

    Please read my rather long post to msallyjones on this topic.

  • Anonymous

    The first chapter of Genesis ( 1:6-10) says that the dome (also translated as vault or firmament) of the heavens is over the earth.  Genesis 2:1 speaks of “the heavens and the earth” as two different things.  I’m curious about where you find a passage that says the earth is a sphere in the heavens. Can you cite chapter and verse on that, please?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, EJ, not all changes are for the better.  I hope, however, that you believe that getting rid of slavery was a change for the better.
    We love the story of the Pilgrims landing in Plymouth in 1620, on the Mayflower, and their journey here for religious freedom.  We often forget the people who came to Jamestown in 1607 on the Susan Constant.  The first English settlers in what is now the US came here looking for gold and a passage to India and China.  They came here, not for religious freedom, but to get rich.  They discovered, not gold, but tobacco.  And they had slavery in Jamestown before the Pilgrims landed from the Mayflower.  So that is at our roots, too.  And slavery was a sin.
    We have much to be proud of, but we have never been a perfect people.  The sins of greed and slavery are as much a part of our history as are our principles of republican-democracy and religious liberty.
    If we only tell the good part of our story, and whitewash our faults, we are guilty of the sin of hubris.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you gopher — I agree.

  • Anonymous

    That too, but you’re being too generous. The poster is a lowlife…

  • Anonymous

    That too, but you’re being too generous. The poster is a lowlife…

  • Anonymous

    That too, but you’re being too generous. The poster is a lowlife…

  • Anonymous

    That too, but you’re being too generous. The poster is a lowlife…

  • Anonymous

    “Just shut up and be quiet” isn’t exactly what Christ was talking about in the bible. That attitude is what has cost us dearly with many afraid to voice their opinions for fear of just the rhetoric this posting gets.  He also said “When two or more are gathered in my name…..”

  • Anonymous

    “Just shut up and be quiet” isn’t exactly what Christ was talking about in the bible. That attitude is what has cost us dearly with many afraid to voice their opinions for fear of just the rhetoric this posting gets.  He also said “When two or more are gathered in my name…..”

  • Anonymous

    “Just shut up and be quiet” isn’t exactly what Christ was talking about in the bible. That attitude is what has cost us dearly with many afraid to voice their opinions for fear of just the rhetoric this posting gets.  He also said “When two or more are gathered in my name…..”

  • Anonymous

    “Just shut up and be quiet” isn’t exactly what Christ was talking about in the bible. That attitude is what has cost us dearly with many afraid to voice their opinions for fear of just the rhetoric this posting gets.  He also said “When two or more are gathered in my name…..”

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it ironic that those that know the least about the bible are constantly quoting it here. I doubt most have ever seen the inside of the bible other than to sign their name to the front page.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it ironic that those that know the least about the bible are constantly quoting it here. I doubt most have ever seen the inside of the bible other than to sign their name to the front page.

  • http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

     A Day of Prayer…? Why?

    God apparently hasn’t heard the prayers of the millions of people out of work.

    The party calling for this so called Day of Prayer is doing everything in their evil powers to make the misery of those millions of people out of work, losing their homes, losing their skill sets, losing their opportunities for employment in their fields the longer they are out of work, even worse, provoking even more prayers, and STILL God doesn’t strike down the party calling for this Day of Prayer, and this misery, with lightning… Must be busy doing something else.

    Spare us your platitudes Ms. Morrell. You want to do something worthy of praise, I mean, that is what this PUBLIC showing of prayer is all about, Pharisee hypocrites performing their works to be seen of others, you want to do something worthy of praise…? Whatsoever you do the least of His servants you do to Christ… do something nice to someone less fortunate. Stop threatening to take away from the elderly and poor their health care, their homes, the dignity of having a little something so as not resorting to living under a bridge when the money runs out… Jesus was a liberal in such matters.

  • Anonymous

    In your “extensive” bible reading you must have missed the part, “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” Romans 3:23, except of course your native Americans.
    “Cutting social security…”. I don’t think the Indians relied on big government, but on themselves.

  • Anonymous

    You make far too many assumptions about people. Just because someone reads the Bible and comes away with a different understanding than you doesn’t mean that they know the least about the Bible. It means that there are many ways to interpret what is written and there is not way to know whose interpretation is right and whose is wrong. I suspect that no one is completely right or wrong in their interpretation.

    I was raised in a Christian home and was greatly influenced by my adopted grandmother who knew the Bible inside and out. She was one of the most sincere Christians that I have ever met. Christ became her refuge and she gave her life to him after losing her fifteen year old son in an accidental drowning  just five years before I was adopted. She spent hours reading the Bible and contemplating. She prayed frequently. She was greatly admired for her for devotion to Christ and her wisdom and understanding. She was a true disciple of Christ. 

    I began attending church as an infant barely ever missing a Sunday from then until my fortieth year of life when the vale was lifted and I saw organized Christianity with new eyes. I rarely missed prayer meeting or Sunday night services. I spent my summers working at a church camp from the time I was fifteen until age forty. I traveled to other states for church gatherings, conferences and retreats. 

    In those forty years I spent substantial time in the Congregational Church, the Community of Christ Church, the Advent Christian Church, the Catholic Church and I spent my last year in church at the United Pentecostal Church. I have studied the teachings, practices and doctrine in each of those denominations based on their interpretations of Biblical scripture. I have spent many hours in my lifetime reading and contemplating the Bible and the words written there. 

    You really need to stop stereotyping people, judging them and making assumptions about them.

  • Anonymous

    Noted

  • Anonymous

    Often what you write has the overtone of “shut up and be quiet” because I am right and you are wrong, hardly what Christ was talking about in the Bible. 

  • Anonymous

    There’s not a word in my post to which you responded that I don’t fully believe.   What I wrote were the facts as I see them.

    Religion to me is a warped sense of reality.  If that offends you, so be it.

  • Anonymous

    There’s not a word in my post to which you responded that I don’t fully believe.   What I wrote were the facts as I see them.

    Religion to me is a warped sense of reality.  If that offends you, so be it.

  • Anonymous

    Some biblical scholars say that only perhaps 1/3 of the words “spoken” by jesus are authentic, ……..the rest are fabricated by the authors to suit their individual agendas.  

  • Anonymous

    Look on the National Geographic website.
    For some reason when I try to post the link, it “must be approved by the moderator”.
    Just saying, I’ve never done anything to an Indian, and certainly do not feel that I owe them a thing. I also don’t feel that I owe any debt for something my great great great grandfather may have done. Most of us are just as “native” as any Indian in this state. Show me a full blooded Penobscot or Passamaquoddy alive today. You can’t do it, because there are none.
    If your grandfather robbed a bank or killed someone, do you carry his debt?
    Is Mexico trying to take back states taken from them? It was a different time with different beliefs. We are all supposed to be equal, and nobody is born owing anyone else a thing.

  • Anonymous

    I’m far from any “Christian”, and certainly do not worship any imaginary god.

  • Anonymous

    Yes…I do.

  • Anonymous

    So…how many more hundred years must pass before we are all equal then? 100? 200?
    When will we all just be Americans instead of Native Americans, African Americans, or Mexican Americans? The only people who seem to be attaching a “fill in the blank” American status to themselves, are the ones who think the “Americans” (no handle attached) owe them something.
    Show me the person who was wronged (not their decedent), and show me the person who committed the wrong (not their decedent), and I would absolutely be in favor of restitution. Otherwise, stop trying to ride the coattails of your ancestors.
    Are you a colonist or a settler? Have you done something wrong to an Indian or a black? If so, then yes you surely owe a debt.

  • Anonymous

    You are not looking at the bigger picture. The Indians prefer to draw a line in the sand of history, and choose not to look any further back, so that they can claim to be the first here.
    I do not despise Indians, I just think it is time that we are all born equal, owing no debt to anyone else. In your way of thinking, every single white child born, is born owing a debt to an Indian or a black, or whatever the flavor of the day is. 

  • yowsayowsa1

     You may as well talk to a wall.

     

  • Anonymous

    The four Gospels are not biography in the modern sense, but are religious tracts designed to inspire converts and encourage the faithful.  Like modern screenplays, they are interpretations of the life of Jesus.  At the same time, they contain our most detailed information about Jesus, and about the thinking of his various followers, especially in the generation after the original disciples were gone.  Probably none of the four Gospels is an eyewitness account.
    In Matthew, Jesus tells his disciples, “You are the light of the world.”  In John, Jesus tells his disciples, “I am the light of the world.”  That’s a very different theology, which reflects the different theological standpoints of different gospel authors. 
    So yes, we have to read the gospels carefully, understand the difference in emphasis, understand the context in which the book was written, understand the history and religious issues of the time, and not take everything literally.  
    When we read the Bible we need to use the same kinds of critical analysis we would apply to any great work of literature, or any ancient text.  I know of no book that requires greater application of reason than the Bible.  We were given our brains so that we might use them.

  • Anonymous

    Isaiah 40:22New King James Version (NKJV)
    22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,       And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,       Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,       And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

  • Anonymous

    The Bible never actually says that the earth is flat.  It does, however, say that God placed the dome (or vault or firmament or arch) over the earth, and hung the moon and sun and stars on that dome.   This is found in Genesis 1:6-8 and 1:14-19. 
    The imagery of a dome being placed over the earth only works if we assume the earth is flat.  So I would say that the story assumes a flat earth, with the sun revolving around the earth.  At the same time, the Bible never actually says that the earth is flat — a flat earth must be assumed for the story to make sense.
    EJ disagrees with my explanation, but I’ve posed this question to him before, and he hasn’t given any reply except to say that he disagrees with me.   If Genesis is literally correct (and if the story of Joshua making the Sun stand still in the sky for 24 hours is literally correct to0), then the Sun must revolve around the earth. 
    EJ doesn’t seem to be able to figure this one out.

  • Anonymous

    Of course I believe that slavery was wrong. That’s one reason I am so vocal against progressivism, because they believe in enslaving the masses in order to rule over them, keep them dependent, and deny them the rights and freedoms that many have fought and died for.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    The preacher that invokes the Sun Goddess and claims that the Emperor of Japan ruined his countries economy by sleeping with her will be at Rick Perry’s fake prayer fest next week Howbri

  • Anonymous

    You missed the whole point. I didn’t bring up the past to claim who was here first, I did to help people realize how cruel we have been as a society to Mother Earth in the past few hundred years. I am looking at the entire history of humanity and particularly the human history of this continent trying to figure out where we went wrong to be at the place that we are now at in this modern society. 

    We have to look back at how we lived and treated each other in this society and then look at how we are now so that we can evolve as human beings, change the negative thoughts and mind patterns both as an individuals and collectively or else we will continue to repeat the same things over and over and over. From the looks of things we had better reflect and then change very fast. The damage that we (every race and creed in this country) are doing to this planet is shocking. The way we are exploiting the land is disheartening. How we are thinking about and treating each other is frightening.

    We all have to look back in order to make a better future. When I talked about what has happened to this continent in the past 10,000 years and that it has been all but destroyed in the past three hundred years, my white half was talking just as much as my Passamaquoddy half. We HAVE to change our ways and what we are doing to this planet or someday we will deeply regret it as human beings. The Earth will heal itself with or without the help/presence of the human species.

    I like to reflect back on the history of my Passamaquoddy ancestors, as well as my white ancestors. In doing so I have realized that there is a way to live communally in a peaceful manner with abundance, meaning and purpose.  

    We have to look back at how that was done successfully and adopt some of those practices, beliefs and behaviors. We have to return to some of the spiritual traditions and practices of earlier societies that encouraged people to care for the land and its people rather exploit it.

    By telling me that I am not looking at the bigger picture and assuming that Indians prefer to draw and line in the sand, you are actually the one drawing the line in the sand. In your small, narrow way of thinking you have drawn a line that all Indians are the same way and that there is no good in any of them and that they all think and act the same. You are looking at how natives were fifty years ago instead of looking at what they are accomplishing today. 

    If you think we are all born equal than stop acting like the superior race and that Natives don’t quite measure up to you. You assume that I believe you own me a debt when in actuality I have evolved enough as a spiritual human being to feel in the deep of my core of my being that no one owes me anything. But I do realize that I owe much to many, both white and Native.  I personally have worked very hard to be where I am today, but I have had a great deal of help from family and friends both Native and white. 

    We all owe each other mutual respect and understanding. It is the only way that we will survive as a species.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for an intelligent and measured response to an intellectually undisciplined and judgmental statement.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for an intelligent and measured response to an intellectually undisciplined and judgmental statement.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you, EJ.  The Revised Standard Version, which is much older then the “New” King James Version, renders the English translation in exactly the same way. 
    The Jerusalem Bible, a modern Roman Catholic translation says,
    “He lives above the circle of the earth,
    its inhabitants look like grasshoppers.
    He has stretched out the heavens like a cloth…”
    At any rate, “It is he who sits above the circle of the earth” places God in the heavens, but does not place the earth in the heavens.   And while it suggests roundness to the earth, it is the roundness of a circle, not a sphere.  A dinner plate is a circle, and one could place a dome above the flat plate to keep the food warm.  Likewise, Isaiah 40:22 coincides with Genesis 1:6-8 and 1:14-19, which says that God has placed the dome of the heavens over the earth.  That doesn’t make the earth spherical, it makes it round like a dinner plate.
    So your proof text does not refer to the earth as a sphere, but rather as a circle.
    And it does not place earth in the heavens, it places God in the heavens.

  • http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

    God knows the republicans prolonging the misery of the millions out of work haven’t heard their prayers either… and we KNOW they have been busy doing something else… plotting to destroy the social safety nets that protect a large segment of our population of elderly and poor.

    Day of Prayer… my arse! Hypocrites.

  • http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

    God knows the republicans prolonging the misery of the millions out of work haven’t heard their prayers either… and we KNOW they have been busy doing something else… plotting to destroy the social safety nets that protect a large segment of our population of elderly and poor.

    Day of Prayer… my arse! Hypocrites.

  • http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

    God knows the republicans prolonging the misery of the millions out of work haven’t heard their prayers either… and we KNOW they have been busy doing something else… plotting to destroy the social safety nets that protect a large segment of our population of elderly and poor.

    Day of Prayer… my arse! Hypocrites.

  • http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

    God knows the republicans prolonging the misery of the millions out of work haven’t heard their prayers either… and we KNOW they have been busy doing something else… plotting to destroy the social safety nets that protect a large segment of our population of elderly and poor.

    Day of Prayer… my arse! Hypocrites.

  • Anonymous

    Keep listening to Glenn Beck… he’ll help to reinforce your skewed vision of progressive liberals.

  • Anonymous

    Atheists for Jesus! The Bible isn’t complete garbage–there are some heart-warming stories and verses mixed in with the silliness and hatred.

  • Anonymous

    Atheists for Jesus! The Bible isn’t complete garbage–there are some heart-warming stories and verses mixed in with the silliness and hatred.

  • Anonymous

    The American Revolution was a liberal (or if you prefer, progressive) movement, and was opposed by the Tories, the conservatives, who wanted to stay with conservative England and the conservative monarchy.  The conservatives, the Tories, largely left for Canada after the Revolution.
    The movement to end slavery was a liberal movement, and was opposed by the conservative Southern Democrats.  Segregation was a conservative movement, and was opposed by liberals, radicals, and socialists.
    Liberals have always stood for liberty — the two words have the same root.  Conservatives have consistently tried to restrict freedoms –  they opposed the freedom of blacks to use the same rest rooms and lunch counters as whites, opposed the freedom of adults to choose whether to drink alcohol, opposed the freedom of interracial couples to marry (because it was against God’s will), and many conservatives still oppose the freedom to use contraceptives.
    Conservatives oppose the freedom to marry for many adult Americans (because of their sexual orientation), and oppose the freedom of women to have the power to make their own reproductive choices.
    Big government grew to its biggest udner conservative George W. Bush, remember, who was playing fast and loose with the Constitution on a number of issues around privacy and illegal search and seizure.  I’m a liberal because I believe in freedom and liberty — they are the core of the liberal tradition.  

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