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Turning away college students

Deputy registrar Gus DeSiervo (left) of Orono helps register first-time voter Nathan Pukay, 18, (right) a freshman computer science major at the University of Maine in Orono on Tuesday, Nov. 4, 2008 where the approximately 4,300 students who live on campus were eligible to cast their ballots. Pukay described his first voting experience as &quotquick and painless" and said that he voted for McCain because &quotObama makes a lot of promises he can't keep."
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Deputy registrar Gus DeSiervo (left) of Orono helps register first-time voter Nathan Pukay, 18, (right) a freshman computer science major at the University of Maine in Orono on Tuesday, Nov. 4, 2008 where the approximately 4,300 students who live on campus were eligible to cast their ballots. Pukay described his first voting experience as "quick and painless" and said that he voted for McCain because "Obama makes a lot of promises he can't keep."
Posted July 28, 2011, at 6:09 p.m.
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Here’s a great economic development strategy for the oldest state in the nation — treat college-educated young people as pariahs.

Rather than encourage these people to begin to put down roots and get involved in the local community, ensure that you are as unwelcoming as possible. Accuse them of fraud. Blame them when local elections didn’t go the way you wanted. Put up barriers making it harder for them to vote locally.

Earlier this week, Charlie Webster, head of the Maine Republican Party, held up a list he said showed 206 college students from other states have illegally voted in Maine.

“The simple fact that 206 people, here on ‘out of state tuition,’ are actually voting to decide who will represent our communities in the state Legislature ought to concern Mainers,” Mr. Webster said in a press release, written in all capital letters and replete with misspellings.

Actually, Mr. Webster, the U.S. Supreme Court — the ultimate interpreter of the U.S. Constitution — ruled in 1979 that college students are completely within their rights to vote where they attend school.

Mr. Webster’s evidence of fraud appears to be his combination of two lists that are not related and rely on completely different standards. One is a list of students who pay out-of-state tuition at Maine’s public universities.

The other is a list of people who registered to vote in college towns. If people appeared on both lists, Mr. Webster accused them of fraud.

Here’s a simple flaw in his logic: By University of Maine System rules, which aren’t clearly written or easy to understand, we’ll admit, a student generally must live in Maine for a year before qualifying for in-state tuition. By law, a student can legally list a college dorm as his address. By Mr. Webster’s logic, a student who comes from another state to attend college in Maine could not be allowed to vote in Maine for at least a year. This isn’t the law, even if Mr. Webster wishes it were.

Kevin Price, a self-described Republican and recent UMaine graduate, blasted Mr. Webster on his blog. “Until Webster presents substantive evidence to back his claim that ‘several’ of those listed voted in multiple states, he is blowing hot air.” Mr. Price said he could identify two of his friends on the list, which consisted of an initial, out-of-state hometown and birth date. He said he helped them register to vote several weeks prior to the 2010 election. They registered as Republicans, he wrote.

“Yes, most on Webster’s list pay out-of-state tuition,” Mr. Price wrote. “Those on the list also live in Maine nine months of the year.

“Why is Webster not looking into the voting habits of seasonal residents?” he asked. “The answer is simple: Young people tend to be liberal, seasonal residents tend to be conservative. This has to be one of the most blatant and embarrassing attempts to control the outcomes of an election to favor one party in recent Maine history.”

Voter fraud is a serious charge. Leveling it at college students without real evidence is irresponsible and counterproductive.

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  • Anonymous

    It’s kind of like in parts of  Texas. You can’t use a student ID but you can use your gun registration when registering to vote.  They are making it harder for people to vote there, mostly  students. Someone said that would also make it harder for elderly people , so they have made an exception for older voters concerning same day.  (Older folks tend to vote Republican in greater nos. than younger .)  It is good that  they made an exception for the older, elderly  voters but it would sure seem to point  in the direction of  a political agenda.  If older voters can register the same day, than others should be able to as well.

    It was interesting to read what Kevin Price, Republican said. I hope if Mr Webster is not playing fair with these lists, (re multiple states) that it will become evident as time goes on.

  • Anonymous

    It’s kind of like in parts of  Texas. You can’t use a student ID but you can use your gun registration when registering to vote.  They are making it harder for people to vote there, mostly  students. Someone said that would also make it harder for elderly people , so they have made an exception for older voters concerning same day.  (Older folks tend to vote Republican in greater nos. than younger .)  It is good that  they made an exception for the older, elderly  voters but it would sure seem to point  in the direction of  a political agenda.  If older voters can register the same day, than others should be able to as well.

    It was interesting to read what Kevin Price, Republican said. I hope if Mr Webster is not playing fair with these lists, (re multiple states) that it will become evident as time goes on.

  • Anonymous

    It’s kind of like in parts of  Texas. You can’t use a student ID but you can use your gun registration when registering to vote.  They are making it harder for people to vote there, mostly  students. Someone said that would also make it harder for elderly people , so they have made an exception for older voters concerning same day.  (Older folks tend to vote Republican in greater nos. than younger .)  It is good that  they made an exception for the older, elderly  voters but it would sure seem to point  in the direction of  a political agenda.  If older voters can register the same day, than others should be able to as well.

    It was interesting to read what Kevin Price, Republican said. I hope if Mr Webster is not playing fair with these lists, (re multiple states) that it will become evident as time goes on.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Webster’s comments are moronic. There are OBVIOUSLY different requirements for determining residency for purposes of college tuition than for voting district (as there are different requirements for tax purposes, etc). 

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Webster’s comments are moronic. There are OBVIOUSLY different requirements for determining residency for purposes of college tuition than for voting district (as there are different requirements for tax purposes, etc). 

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Webster’s comments are moronic. There are OBVIOUSLY different requirements for determining residency for purposes of college tuition than for voting district (as there are different requirements for tax purposes, etc). 

  • Anonymous

    It seems that the Republican/Tea Party has thrown out the bassis for factual accusations. They feel that if they think it happened, it probably did. Who knows, maybe it did and that’s how the Republicans took control of both houses in the legilature and the Blaine House.

  • Anonymous

    It seems that the Republican/Tea Party has thrown out the bassis for factual accusations. They feel that if they think it happened, it probably did. Who knows, maybe it did and that’s how the Republicans took control of both houses in the legilature and the Blaine House.

  • Anonymous

    It seems that the Republican/Tea Party has thrown out the bassis for factual accusations. They feel that if they think it happened, it probably did. Who knows, maybe it did and that’s how the Republicans took control of both houses in the legilature and the Blaine House.

  • Anonymous

    It seems that the Republican/Tea Party has thrown out the bassis for factual accusations. They feel that if they think it happened, it probably did. Who knows, maybe it did and that’s how the Republicans took control of both houses in the legilature and the Blaine House.

  • Anonymous

    It seems that the Republican/Tea Party has thrown out the bassis for factual accusations. They feel that if they think it happened, it probably did. Who knows, maybe it did and that’s how the Republicans took control of both houses in the legilature and the Blaine House.

  • Anonymous

    It seems that the Republican/Tea Party has thrown out the bassis for factual accusations. They feel that if they think it happened, it probably did. Who knows, maybe it did and that’s how the Republicans took control of both houses in the legilature and the Blaine House.

  • Anonymous

    It seems that the Republican/Tea Party has thrown out the bassis for factual accusations. They feel that if they think it happened, it probably did. Who knows, maybe it did and that’s how the Republicans took control of both houses in the legilature and the Blaine House.

  • Anonymous

    This editorial is laughable.  These students are not residents of Maine.  They can vote in the states in which they are residents.  In fact, absentee voting is one of the most common methods of voter fraud used today, so these students should have no problem legitimately voting in their resident states.

    This is the typical thinking of a leftest: “Rather than encourage these people to begin to put down roots and get
    involved in the local community, ensure that you are as unwelcoming as
    possible.”  What does voting has a student in Maine have to do with putting down roots?  For anyone that hasn’t got it yet, GETTING A JOB IN MAINE IS HOW YOU PUT DOWN ROOTS IN MAINE.  Even Maine residents can’t get a job in Maine and are leaving Maine in droves.  Thank the BDN poster child currently sitting in the Oval Office. 

    The only reason, and I mean only reason, the BDN is supporting this agenda is because college students tend to vote liberal.  By quoting some lone wolf Republican, they think we are so stupid as to not see through their goal.  But the reality is that the Boston Globe type of journalism practiced by the BDN is apparent to most Mainers, hence their dwindling readership.

  • Anonymous

    This editorial is laughable.  These students are not residents of Maine.  They can vote in the states in which they are residents.  In fact, absentee voting is one of the most common methods of voter fraud used today, so these students should have no problem legitimately voting in their resident states.

    This is the typical thinking of a leftest: “Rather than encourage these people to begin to put down roots and get
    involved in the local community, ensure that you are as unwelcoming as
    possible.”  What does voting has a student in Maine have to do with putting down roots?  For anyone that hasn’t got it yet, GETTING A JOB IN MAINE IS HOW YOU PUT DOWN ROOTS IN MAINE.  Even Maine residents can’t get a job in Maine and are leaving Maine in droves.  Thank the BDN poster child currently sitting in the Oval Office. 

    The only reason, and I mean only reason, the BDN is supporting this agenda is because college students tend to vote liberal.  By quoting some lone wolf Republican, they think we are so stupid as to not see through their goal.  But the reality is that the Boston Globe type of journalism practiced by the BDN is apparent to most Mainers, hence their dwindling readership.

  • Anonymous

    This editorial is laughable.  These students are not residents of Maine.  They can vote in the states in which they are residents.  In fact, absentee voting is one of the most common methods of voter fraud used today, so these students should have no problem legitimately voting in their resident states.

    This is the typical thinking of a leftest: “Rather than encourage these people to begin to put down roots and get
    involved in the local community, ensure that you are as unwelcoming as
    possible.”  What does voting has a student in Maine have to do with putting down roots?  For anyone that hasn’t got it yet, GETTING A JOB IN MAINE IS HOW YOU PUT DOWN ROOTS IN MAINE.  Even Maine residents can’t get a job in Maine and are leaving Maine in droves.  Thank the BDN poster child currently sitting in the Oval Office. 

    The only reason, and I mean only reason, the BDN is supporting this agenda is because college students tend to vote liberal.  By quoting some lone wolf Republican, they think we are so stupid as to not see through their goal.  But the reality is that the Boston Globe type of journalism practiced by the BDN is apparent to most Mainers, hence their dwindling readership.

  • Anonymous

    For your information, young people were leaving in droves before President Obama took office. There is no correlation.

    With your mindset. more of them will leave and decide not to put down roots here . You seem to minimize the value of voting.  A lot of people don’t feel that way, thankfully. Voting is a big deal , for all ages.  It is great when young people get involved in their communities, including their college communities and the more people who vote, the better.
    Of course, as you say, many college students do tend liberal, so you would not want to many of them voting it seems.

  • Anonymous

    Oh yeah, living somewhere 9-10 months out of the year, that could hardly be considered residency. You’re absolutely right! 

  • Anonymous

    Oh yeah, living somewhere 9-10 months out of the year, that could hardly be considered residency. You’re absolutely right! 

  • Anonymous

    Oh yeah, living somewhere 9-10 months out of the year, that could hardly be considered residency. You’re absolutely right! 

  • Anonymous

    Oh yeah, living somewhere 9-10 months out of the year, that could hardly be considered residency. You’re absolutely right! 

  • Anonymous

    The problem is these students like to pick and choose whether they are or aren’t a resident of Maine. For voting, they want to be residents. But for driver’s licenses and vehicle registrations, they don’t want to be residents. They can’t have it both ways.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, you can have it “both ways” as the requirements for voting residency are different than for tax purposes, or for vehicle registration, or etc. 

  • Anonymous

    Yes, you can have it “both ways” as the requirements for voting residency are different than for tax purposes, or for vehicle registration, or etc. 

  • Anonymous

    Not true. See the following…

    Vehicle Registration
     ”‘Resident’ means a person who has declared or established residency in this State or has been domiciled in this State for a period of at least 30 days, except for persons in compliance with section 109, subsection 1 (MRSA 29-A, Sect. 101(62)

    “A nonresident student enrolled in a university, college or school within this State as long as that student possesses a valid registration and license issued by the jurisdiction of legal residence” (MRSA 29-A, Sect. 109(1)(B).”

    This means that as long as a student is a legal resident of ANOTHER state, the student is not required to register the vehicle in Maine, even though the student may be “domiciled” in Maine for at least 30 days. This section does NOT absolve students declaring residency in Maine from registering their vehicle in Maine.
    “An owner of a vehicle who becomes a resident of this State shall register that vehicle in this State within 30 days of establishing residency (MRSA Title 29-A, Sect. 351(1).”

    Driver’s License
    See MRSA 29-A, Sect. 1251

    Once a person declares residency in Maine, that person must comply with requirements of all Maine residents. So if students are going to register to vote here, they are breaking the law if they have a vehicle and do not register it here or get a Maine license.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Or, try reading the article and review the Supreme Court decision that says you are very, very wrong.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Ahh, yes, quoting some “lone wolf” Republican is bad. How about the “lone wolf” Republican, Brendan O’Brien, who was an out-of-state Bates student that ran for State House in Lewiston? The same person who is on the Republican State Committee that Charlie Webster claims to not have heard of?

    Let’s give you a bit of a reality check — one, college students DO get jobs in Maine, and they contribute substantially to their local economies. Waterville remains afloat partially thanks to Colby College, I know that because I live here and reviewed the city budget, not to mention the simple fact that the students patronize local businesses.

    Additionally, countless out-of-state college students see Maine, decide it’s beautiful, and eventually decide to live here. They’re replacing our own young people who won’t stay here, for that matter. You can bet they won’t do that if the local reaction they get is that of the Webster-supporting right, which is to say hurry up, get your degree, and get out… and don’t try influencing public policy while you’re here. That is extremely disrespectful to say to people who are investing heavily in your state’s economy.

    I also wonder if anyone has realized the foolishness of the “college students vote liberal” statement. College students are educated, and due to that, they have higher wages and better job prospects. This is because they are considered valuable by society. Are you seriously trying to say that valuable people vote liberal? Educated people? Smart people? Because if that’s the only argument you have, then you’re saying that only stupid, uneducated people vote Republican — and I really don’t think that’s the argument you’re trying to make.

  • Anonymous

    What the court said is that states cannot summarily deny students the right to vote simply because their residency is tied to being a student.

    The problem is, students are declaring residency in two different places. One way or another, these students are breaking the law, either by committing fraud when declaring residency for the purposes of voting, or by declaring themselves residents of their home state for vehicle registrations and driver’s licenses.

    If a student from New Hampshire goes into the Orono town office and declares Maine residency, that student must get a Maine vehicle registration and must get a Maine driver’s license. Republicans are arguing, and with merit, that because such a student continues to carry a New Hampshire license and vehicle registration, that student is not really a resident of Maine. Because if the student were, the student would have a Maine registration and license.

  • Anonymous

    Granting the right to cast a ballot to a person not qualified to vote, effectively cancels, disenfranchises,  an opposing vote from a person qualified to vote.

    Also, I wonder if the students who register to vote are told that they must register their cars in Maine within 30 days if they declare a town in Maine to be their new residence.   These new registrations should be an added source of revenue to Maine municipalities and to the state coffers.

  • Anonymous

    Granting the right to cast a ballot to a person not qualified to vote, effectively cancels, disenfranchises,  an opposing vote from a person qualified to vote.

    Also, I wonder if the students who register to vote are told that they must register their cars in Maine within 30 days if they declare a town in Maine to be their new residence.   These new registrations should be an added source of revenue to Maine municipalities and to the state coffers.

  • Anonymous

    Granting the right to cast a ballot to a person not qualified to vote, effectively cancels, disenfranchises,  an opposing vote from a person qualified to vote.

    Also, I wonder if the students who register to vote are told that they must register their cars in Maine within 30 days if they declare a town in Maine to be their new residence.   These new registrations should be an added source of revenue to Maine municipalities and to the state coffers.

  • Anonymous

    Granting the right to cast a ballot to a person not qualified to vote, effectively cancels, disenfranchises,  an opposing vote from a person qualified to vote.

    Also, I wonder if the students who register to vote are told that they must register their cars in Maine within 30 days if they declare a town in Maine to be their new residence.   These new registrations should be an added source of revenue to Maine municipalities and to the state coffers.

  • Anonymous

    I think that is why a certain group in Maine opposed the idea of requiring State IDs to vote.

  • Anonymous

    I think that is why a certain group in Maine opposed the idea of requiring State IDs to vote.

  • Anonymous

    I think that is why a certain group in Maine opposed the idea of requiring State IDs to vote.

  • Anonymous

    Yes.  I agree.  The flight of young Mainers, especially from northern and eastern Maine to other states, started before President Obama became president.  Two of my three sons left and haven’t returned.  High taxes, high energy costs and expensive health insurance have all been factors in driving business from Maine and from discouraging new business from locating here. I think most college graduates from Maine colleges and universities see little chance of employment (unless they’re teachers); they, too, leave for greener pastures.  Sadly, parts of rural Maine have lost the critical mass of younger people needed for a vibrant and growing economy.

  • Anonymous

    Yes.  I agree.  The flight of young Mainers, especially from northern and eastern Maine to other states, started before President Obama became president.  Two of my three sons left and haven’t returned.  High taxes, high energy costs and expensive health insurance have all been factors in driving business from Maine and from discouraging new business from locating here. I think most college graduates from Maine colleges and universities see little chance of employment (unless they’re teachers); they, too, leave for greener pastures.  Sadly, parts of rural Maine have lost the critical mass of younger people needed for a vibrant and growing economy.

  • Anonymous

    Yes.  I agree.  The flight of young Mainers, especially from northern and eastern Maine to other states, started before President Obama became president.  Two of my three sons left and haven’t returned.  High taxes, high energy costs and expensive health insurance have all been factors in driving business from Maine and from discouraging new business from locating here. I think most college graduates from Maine colleges and universities see little chance of employment (unless they’re teachers); they, too, leave for greener pastures.  Sadly, parts of rural Maine have lost the critical mass of younger people needed for a vibrant and growing economy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MWFPOA5XX4TUQDWSFMPMIAGTWY Carole

    For the students who have cars I bet many of them are registered in their parents name.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MWFPOA5XX4TUQDWSFMPMIAGTWY Carole

    For the students who have cars I bet many of them are registered in their parents name.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MWFPOA5XX4TUQDWSFMPMIAGTWY Carole

    For the students who have cars I bet many of them are registered in their parents name.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MWFPOA5XX4TUQDWSFMPMIAGTWY Carole

    For the students who have cars I bet many of them are registered in their parents name.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MWFPOA5XX4TUQDWSFMPMIAGTWY Carole

    For the students who have cars I bet many of them are registered in their parents name.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MWFPOA5XX4TUQDWSFMPMIAGTWY Carole

    For the students who have cars I bet many of them are registered in their parents name.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t even know what you’re looking at. It takes longer than 30 days to establish residency for tuition purposes and tax purposes. These are all different things, and though they use the same word, the rubric attached to that word is different for each.

  • Anonymous

    Here is a quick history of voting rights in America:

    At the time of the American Revolution only white men who owned property had a right to vote.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men and women 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 18 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Conservatives don’t want to share power. 
     
    They don’t want you to vote. 
     
    Never have. 
     
    Never will
     

  • Anonymous

    Here is a quick history of voting rights in America:

    At the time of the American Revolution only white men who owned property had a right to vote.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men and women 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 18 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Conservatives don’t want to share power. 
     
    They don’t want you to vote. 
     
    Never have. 
     
    Never will
     

  • Anonymous

    Here is a quick history of voting rights in America:

    At the time of the American Revolution only white men who owned property had a right to vote.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men and women 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 18 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Conservatives don’t want to share power. 
     
    They don’t want you to vote. 
     
    Never have. 
     
    Never will
     

  • Anonymous

    Here is a quick history of voting rights in America:

    At the time of the American Revolution only white men who owned property had a right to vote.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men and women 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 18 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Conservatives don’t want to share power. 
     
    They don’t want you to vote. 
     
    Never have. 
     
    Never will
     

  • Anonymous

    Here is a quick history of voting rights in America:

    At the time of the American Revolution only white men who owned property had a right to vote.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men and women 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 18 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Conservatives don’t want to share power. 
     
    They don’t want you to vote. 
     
    Never have. 
     
    Never will
     

  • Anonymous

    Here is a quick history of voting rights in America:

    At the time of the American Revolution only white men who owned property had a right to vote.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men and women 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 18 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Conservatives don’t want to share power. 
     
    They don’t want you to vote. 
     
    Never have. 
     
    Never will
     

  • Anonymous

    Here is a quick history of voting rights in America:

    At the time of the American Revolution only white men who owned property had a right to vote.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all white men and women 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 21 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Liberals expanded the right to include all men and women of any color 18 or older.  Conservatives resisted.
     
    Conservatives don’t want to share power. 
     
    They don’t want you to vote. 
     
    Never have. 
     
    Never will
     

  • Anonymous

    Odd this editorial and comments don’t address the real issue.  Turning college students away, is an error.  The law just doesn’t make it as convenient to vote as some would like.  If the students are interested in voting they register to vote when the town (city) clerks office is open to do perform that registration.  In addition BMV makes it an available for persons to register to vote as well.  With BMV more likely you would be getting a license or registering a vehicle.  No one is being turned away, ( except in the imagination of some editorial writers) just required to take the proper steps to register and then vote. College students are in college to learn how to manage their time and meet deadlines. Life doesn’t always seem to be at ones convenience as some would like you to believe.  

  • Anonymous

    Odd this editorial and comments don’t address the real issue.  Turning college students away, is an error.  The law just doesn’t make it as convenient to vote as some would like.  If the students are interested in voting they register to vote when the town (city) clerks office is open to do perform that registration.  In addition BMV makes it an available for persons to register to vote as well.  With BMV more likely you would be getting a license or registering a vehicle.  No one is being turned away, ( except in the imagination of some editorial writers) just required to take the proper steps to register and then vote. College students are in college to learn how to manage their time and meet deadlines. Life doesn’t always seem to be at ones convenience as some would like you to believe.  

  • Anonymous

    Odd this editorial and comments don’t address the real issue.  Turning college students away, is an error.  The law just doesn’t make it as convenient to vote as some would like.  If the students are interested in voting they register to vote when the town (city) clerks office is open to do perform that registration.  In addition BMV makes it an available for persons to register to vote as well.  With BMV more likely you would be getting a license or registering a vehicle.  No one is being turned away, ( except in the imagination of some editorial writers) just required to take the proper steps to register and then vote. College students are in college to learn how to manage their time and meet deadlines. Life doesn’t always seem to be at ones convenience as some would like you to believe.  

  • Anonymous

    Odd this editorial and comments don’t address the real issue.  Turning college students away, is an error.  The law just doesn’t make it as convenient to vote as some would like.  If the students are interested in voting they register to vote when the town (city) clerks office is open to do perform that registration.  In addition BMV makes it an available for persons to register to vote as well.  With BMV more likely you would be getting a license or registering a vehicle.  No one is being turned away, ( except in the imagination of some editorial writers) just required to take the proper steps to register and then vote. College students are in college to learn how to manage their time and meet deadlines. Life doesn’t always seem to be at ones convenience as some would like you to believe.  

  • Anonymous

    Odd this editorial and comments don’t address the real issue.  Turning college students away, is an error.  The law just doesn’t make it as convenient to vote as some would like.  If the students are interested in voting they register to vote when the town (city) clerks office is open to do perform that registration.  In addition BMV makes it an available for persons to register to vote as well.  With BMV more likely you would be getting a license or registering a vehicle.  No one is being turned away, ( except in the imagination of some editorial writers) just required to take the proper steps to register and then vote. College students are in college to learn how to manage their time and meet deadlines. Life doesn’t always seem to be at ones convenience as some would like you to believe.  

  • Anonymous

    Odd this editorial and comments don’t address the real issue.  Turning college students away, is an error.  The law just doesn’t make it as convenient to vote as some would like.  If the students are interested in voting they register to vote when the town (city) clerks office is open to do perform that registration.  In addition BMV makes it an available for persons to register to vote as well.  With BMV more likely you would be getting a license or registering a vehicle.  No one is being turned away, ( except in the imagination of some editorial writers) just required to take the proper steps to register and then vote. College students are in college to learn how to manage their time and meet deadlines. Life doesn’t always seem to be at ones convenience as some would like you to believe.  

  • Anonymous

    Odd this editorial and comments don’t address the real issue.  Turning college students away, is an error.  The law just doesn’t make it as convenient to vote as some would like.  If the students are interested in voting they register to vote when the town (city) clerks office is open to do perform that registration.  In addition BMV makes it an available for persons to register to vote as well.  With BMV more likely you would be getting a license or registering a vehicle.  No one is being turned away, ( except in the imagination of some editorial writers) just required to take the proper steps to register and then vote. College students are in college to learn how to manage their time and meet deadlines. Life doesn’t always seem to be at ones convenience as some would like you to believe.  

  • Anonymous

    Odd this editorial and comments don’t address the real issue.  Turning college students away, is an error.  The law just doesn’t make it as convenient to vote as some would like.  If the students are interested in voting they register to vote when the town (city) clerks office is open to do perform that registration.  In addition BMV makes it an available for persons to register to vote as well.  With BMV more likely you would be getting a license or registering a vehicle.  No one is being turned away, ( except in the imagination of some editorial writers) just required to take the proper steps to register and then vote. College students are in college to learn how to manage their time and meet deadlines. Life doesn’t always seem to be at ones convenience as some would like you to believe.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452684179 Jason Simonds

    Ignorance is not bliss, but some people choose to live there anyway.

    Mr Webster is grasping at straws and I hope the people he named on his list embarrass him with the results of the full study. This accusation of guilt, without anything other than extremely loose circumstantial evidence is irresponsible.

    If his agenda was truth, he should have quietly brought this to the SoS and only after it was proven to be true should he have opened up to the public.

    If these accusations are untrue, is Mr Webster open for a law suit for defamation of character?

    If I were accused of such a distasteful crime, with my name publicly displayed, and it were proven to all be a pile of hooey, I would consider a suit.

    Mr Webster has taken quite a gamble, with himself, the reputation of those he accuses and the reputation of the party he represents.

    I await the results of the full investigation but hope they dig deeper than just college students and they also look at anyone with multiple addresses that had voted in Maine. Fair is fair.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1452684179 Jason Simonds

    Ignorance is not bliss, but some people choose to live there anyway.

    Mr Webster is grasping at straws and I hope the people he named on his list embarrass him with the results of the full study. This accusation of guilt, without anything other than extremely loose circumstantial evidence is irresponsible.

    If his agenda was truth, he should have quietly brought this to the SoS and only after it was proven to be true should he have opened up to the public.

    If these accusations are untrue, is Mr Webster open for a law suit for defamation of character?

    If I were accused of such a distasteful crime, with my name publicly displayed, and it were proven to all be a pile of hooey, I would consider a suit.

    Mr Webster has taken quite a gamble, with himself, the reputation of those he accuses and the reputation of the party he represents.

    I await the results of the full investigation but hope they dig deeper than just college students and they also look at anyone with multiple addresses that had voted in Maine. Fair is fair.

  • Anonymous

    The BDN must see some danger here for the Democrats if they throwing up this red herring.

  • Anonymous

    The BDN must see some danger here for the Democrats if they throwing up this red herring.

  • Anonymous

    The BDN must see some danger here for the Democrats if they throwing up this red herring.

  • Anonymous

    The BDN must see some danger here for the Democrats if they throwing up this red herring.

  • Anonymous

    The BDN must see some danger here for the Democrats if they throwing up this red herring.

  • Anonymous

    The BDN must see some danger here for the Democrats if they throwing up this red herring.

  • Anonymous

    The BDN must see some danger here for the Democrats if they throwing up this red herring.

  • Anonymous

    ….”If there is really a lot of fraud, that is one thing. But if not (and I would venture that likely there was not )”……

    Only in the “liberal world” would “some” corruption be OK.

    So how much fraud would there have to be, in your way of thinking, for it to be wrong?

    Former NYC detective Frank Serpico was trying to root out corruption in the police dept, some years ago. A beat cop was taking a few bucks week from store owners. He told Serpico it was “only a couple of bucks”.

    His response:   “How much does it have to be before it is wrong”?

  • Anonymous

    ….”If there is really a lot of fraud, that is one thing. But if not (and I would venture that likely there was not )”……

    Only in the “liberal world” would “some” corruption be OK.

    So how much fraud would there have to be, in your way of thinking, for it to be wrong?

    Former NYC detective Frank Serpico was trying to root out corruption in the police dept, some years ago. A beat cop was taking a few bucks week from store owners. He told Serpico it was “only a couple of bucks”.

    His response:   “How much does it have to be before it is wrong”?

  • Anonymous

    ….”If there is really a lot of fraud, that is one thing. But if not (and I would venture that likely there was not )”……

    Only in the “liberal world” would “some” corruption be OK.

    So how much fraud would there have to be, in your way of thinking, for it to be wrong?

    Former NYC detective Frank Serpico was trying to root out corruption in the police dept, some years ago. A beat cop was taking a few bucks week from store owners. He told Serpico it was “only a couple of bucks”.

    His response:   “How much does it have to be before it is wrong”?

  • Anonymous

    ….”If there is really a lot of fraud, that is one thing. But if not (and I would venture that likely there was not )”……

    Only in the “liberal world” would “some” corruption be OK.

    So how much fraud would there have to be, in your way of thinking, for it to be wrong?

    Former NYC detective Frank Serpico was trying to root out corruption in the police dept, some years ago. A beat cop was taking a few bucks week from store owners. He told Serpico it was “only a couple of bucks”.

    His response:   “How much does it have to be before it is wrong”?

  • Anonymous

    ….”If there is really a lot of fraud, that is one thing. But if not (and I would venture that likely there was not )”……

    Only in the “liberal world” would “some” corruption be OK.

    So how much fraud would there have to be, in your way of thinking, for it to be wrong?

    Former NYC detective Frank Serpico was trying to root out corruption in the police dept, some years ago. A beat cop was taking a few bucks week from store owners. He told Serpico it was “only a couple of bucks”.

    His response:   “How much does it have to be before it is wrong”?

  • Anonymous

    ….”If there is really a lot of fraud, that is one thing. But if not (and I would venture that likely there was not )”……

    Only in the “liberal world” would “some” corruption be OK.

    So how much fraud would there have to be, in your way of thinking, for it to be wrong?

    Former NYC detective Frank Serpico was trying to root out corruption in the police dept, some years ago. A beat cop was taking a few bucks week from store owners. He told Serpico it was “only a couple of bucks”.

    His response:   “How much does it have to be before it is wrong”?

  • Anonymous

    ….”If there is really a lot of fraud, that is one thing. But if not (and I would venture that likely there was not )”……

    Only in the “liberal world” would “some” corruption be OK.

    So how much fraud would there have to be, in your way of thinking, for it to be wrong?

    Former NYC detective Frank Serpico was trying to root out corruption in the police dept, some years ago. A beat cop was taking a few bucks week from store owners. He told Serpico it was “only a couple of bucks”.

    His response:   “How much does it have to be before it is wrong”?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    I am glad to see the BDN attempting to clarify that the laws regarding residency are different for voting vs. college tuition, and that out-of-state students (as well as students from other Maine towns) are entitled to vote in their college towns. Clearly many people are uninformed about this. I hope the BDN and other papers will continue to educate the public about this in the NEWS pieces, as well as on the editorial pages. If the Maine GOP is going to put out a barrage of misinformation and innuendo, it should be countered with the facts of the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    I am glad to see the BDN attempting to clarify that the laws regarding residency are different for voting vs. college tuition, and that out-of-state students (as well as students from other Maine towns) are entitled to vote in their college towns. Clearly many people are uninformed about this. I hope the BDN and other papers will continue to educate the public about this in the NEWS pieces, as well as on the editorial pages. If the Maine GOP is going to put out a barrage of misinformation and innuendo, it should be countered with the facts of the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    I am glad to see the BDN attempting to clarify that the laws regarding residency are different for voting vs. college tuition, and that out-of-state students (as well as students from other Maine towns) are entitled to vote in their college towns. Clearly many people are uninformed about this. I hope the BDN and other papers will continue to educate the public about this in the NEWS pieces, as well as on the editorial pages. If the Maine GOP is going to put out a barrage of misinformation and innuendo, it should be countered with the facts of the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    I am glad to see the BDN attempting to clarify that the laws regarding residency are different for voting vs. college tuition, and that out-of-state students (as well as students from other Maine towns) are entitled to vote in their college towns. Clearly many people are uninformed about this. I hope the BDN and other papers will continue to educate the public about this in the NEWS pieces, as well as on the editorial pages. If the Maine GOP is going to put out a barrage of misinformation and innuendo, it should be countered with the facts of the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    I am glad to see the BDN attempting to clarify that the laws regarding residency are different for voting vs. college tuition, and that out-of-state students (as well as students from other Maine towns) are entitled to vote in their college towns. Clearly many people are uninformed about this. I hope the BDN and other papers will continue to educate the public about this in the NEWS pieces, as well as on the editorial pages. If the Maine GOP is going to put out a barrage of misinformation and innuendo, it should be countered with the facts of the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    I am glad to see the BDN attempting to clarify that the laws regarding residency are different for voting vs. college tuition, and that out-of-state students (as well as students from other Maine towns) are entitled to vote in their college towns. Clearly many people are uninformed about this. I hope the BDN and other papers will continue to educate the public about this in the NEWS pieces, as well as on the editorial pages. If the Maine GOP is going to put out a barrage of misinformation and innuendo, it should be countered with the facts of the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    I am glad to see the BDN attempting to clarify that the laws regarding residency are different for voting vs. college tuition, and that out-of-state students (as well as students from other Maine towns) are entitled to vote in their college towns. Clearly many people are uninformed about this. I hope the BDN and other papers will continue to educate the public about this in the NEWS pieces, as well as on the editorial pages. If the Maine GOP is going to put out a barrage of misinformation and innuendo, it should be countered with the facts of the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    I am glad to see the BDN attempting to clarify that the laws regarding residency are different for voting vs. college tuition, and that out-of-state students (as well as students from other Maine towns) are entitled to vote in their college towns. Clearly many people are uninformed about this. I hope the BDN and other papers will continue to educate the public about this in the NEWS pieces, as well as on the editorial pages. If the Maine GOP is going to put out a barrage of misinformation and innuendo, it should be countered with the facts of the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    I am glad to see the BDN attempting to clarify that the laws regarding residency are different for voting vs. college tuition, and that out-of-state students (as well as students from other Maine towns) are entitled to vote in their college towns. Clearly many people are uninformed about this. I hope the BDN and other papers will continue to educate the public about this in the NEWS pieces, as well as on the editorial pages. If the Maine GOP is going to put out a barrage of misinformation and innuendo, it should be countered with the facts of the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    I am glad to see the BDN attempting to clarify that the laws regarding residency are different for voting vs. college tuition, and that out-of-state students (as well as students from other Maine towns) are entitled to vote in their college towns. Clearly many people are uninformed about this. I hope the BDN and other papers will continue to educate the public about this in the NEWS pieces, as well as on the editorial pages. If the Maine GOP is going to put out a barrage of misinformation and innuendo, it should be countered with the facts of the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    I am glad to see the BDN attempting to clarify that the laws regarding residency are different for voting vs. college tuition, and that out-of-state students (as well as students from other Maine towns) are entitled to vote in their college towns. Clearly many people are uninformed about this. I hope the BDN and other papers will continue to educate the public about this in the NEWS pieces, as well as on the editorial pages. If the Maine GOP is going to put out a barrage of misinformation and innuendo, it should be countered with the facts of the law.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    I am glad to see the BDN attempting to clarify that the laws regarding residency are different for voting vs. college tuition, and that out-of-state students (as well as students from other Maine towns) are entitled to vote in their college towns. Clearly many people are uninformed about this. I hope the BDN and other papers will continue to educate the public about this in the NEWS pieces, as well as on the editorial pages. If the Maine GOP is going to put out a barrage of misinformation and innuendo, it should be countered with the facts of the law.

  • http://twitter.com/BlaqkPhoenix777 BlaqkPhoenix777

    Thank you for posting this article, as it’s abundantly clear that Webster is singling out college students because they vote liberally. By law, you have to have lived in Maine for more than 9 months consecutively in order to vote in the state. A vast majority of the students at Umaine are from the state of Maine originally, so they are fully within their rights to vote. Same Day Voter registration was provided on the Umaine campus and in other districts in the Orono area so that college students would have an easier time voting; the process of filling out an absentee ballot is so cumbersome that no college student would bother unless they were politically engaged.

  • http://twitter.com/BlaqkPhoenix777 BlaqkPhoenix777

    Thank you for posting this article, as it’s abundantly clear that Webster is singling out college students because they vote liberally. By law, you have to have lived in Maine for more than 9 months consecutively in order to vote in the state. A vast majority of the students at Umaine are from the state of Maine originally, so they are fully within their rights to vote. Same Day Voter registration was provided on the Umaine campus and in other districts in the Orono area so that college students would have an easier time voting; the process of filling out an absentee ballot is so cumbersome that no college student would bother unless they were politically engaged.

  • http://twitter.com/BlaqkPhoenix777 BlaqkPhoenix777

    Thank you for posting this article, as it’s abundantly clear that Webster is singling out college students because they vote liberally. By law, you have to have lived in Maine for more than 9 months consecutively in order to vote in the state. A vast majority of the students at Umaine are from the state of Maine originally, so they are fully within their rights to vote. Same Day Voter registration was provided on the Umaine campus and in other districts in the Orono area so that college students would have an easier time voting; the process of filling out an absentee ballot is so cumbersome that no college student would bother unless they were politically engaged.

  • http://twitter.com/BlaqkPhoenix777 BlaqkPhoenix777

    Thank you for posting this article, as it’s abundantly clear that Webster is singling out college students because they vote liberally. By law, you have to have lived in Maine for more than 9 months consecutively in order to vote in the state. A vast majority of the students at Umaine are from the state of Maine originally, so they are fully within their rights to vote. Same Day Voter registration was provided on the Umaine campus and in other districts in the Orono area so that college students would have an easier time voting; the process of filling out an absentee ballot is so cumbersome that no college student would bother unless they were politically engaged.

  • http://twitter.com/BlaqkPhoenix777 BlaqkPhoenix777

    Thank you for posting this article, as it’s abundantly clear that Webster is singling out college students because they vote liberally. By law, you have to have lived in Maine for more than 9 months consecutively in order to vote in the state. A vast majority of the students at Umaine are from the state of Maine originally, so they are fully within their rights to vote. Same Day Voter registration was provided on the Umaine campus and in other districts in the Orono area so that college students would have an easier time voting; the process of filling out an absentee ballot is so cumbersome that no college student would bother unless they were politically engaged.

  • Anonymous

    Further reason not to even consider their “thinking” on a number of issues, much less consider it valid.

  • Anonymous

    Further reason not to even consider their “thinking” on a number of issues, much less consider it valid.

  • Anonymous

    Further reason not to even consider their “thinking” on a number of issues, much less consider it valid.

  • Anonymous

    Further reason not to even consider their “thinking” on a number of issues, much less consider it valid.

  • Anonymous

    Further reason not to even consider their “thinking” on a number of issues, much less consider it valid.

  • Anonymous

    Further reason not to even consider their “thinking” on a number of issues, much less consider it valid.

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of red herrings (and perception of “danger”) …

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of red herrings (and perception of “danger”) …

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of red herrings (and perception of “danger”) …

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of red herrings (and perception of “danger”) …

  • Anonymous

    To my best knowledge, the only way to register before an election day is to appear at the local town office.  This means that campus residents without cars are hindered from traveling to the registration site.  Even if they could do so, the open hours most likely conflict with class and lab schedules.  Those who maintain the process is so easy should be compelled to provide transportation to the registration site at times convenient for the students. 

    In addition, anyone moving into a community in the months before an election finds it difficult to register before election day.  If one is living in a rental unit in the same town while waiting for their house to be ready will find it difficult.

    I agree with other positive comments.  The editorial is well balanced and addresses the key issues.

  • Anonymous

    This response is at best laughable.  The responder is uninformed about what constitutes residency at an level and for whatever degree of permanency.  Do you require a “probabtion” period for anyone coming to the state for any reason to determine if they really mean to “settle” here?  If so, I imagine that you’l head up the policing effort.

    As for the generalizations on the political inclination of students in general, check the original article.  The Orono clerks showed that of the students registered on campus, only about half registered as Democrat or Republican (admitedly 2:1 Democrat), the rest chose Independent or no party.  Hardly a uniform voting bloc.

  • Anonymous

    This response is at best laughable.  The responder is uninformed about what constitutes residency at an level and for whatever degree of permanency.  Do you require a “probabtion” period for anyone coming to the state for any reason to determine if they really mean to “settle” here?  If so, I imagine that you’l head up the policing effort.

    As for the generalizations on the political inclination of students in general, check the original article.  The Orono clerks showed that of the students registered on campus, only about half registered as Democrat or Republican (admitedly 2:1 Democrat), the rest chose Independent or no party.  Hardly a uniform voting bloc.

  • Anonymous

    This response is at best laughable.  The responder is uninformed about what constitutes residency at an level and for whatever degree of permanency.  Do you require a “probabtion” period for anyone coming to the state for any reason to determine if they really mean to “settle” here?  If so, I imagine that you’l head up the policing effort.

    As for the generalizations on the political inclination of students in general, check the original article.  The Orono clerks showed that of the students registered on campus, only about half registered as Democrat or Republican (admitedly 2:1 Democrat), the rest chose Independent or no party.  Hardly a uniform voting bloc.

  • Anonymous

    This response is at best laughable.  The responder is uninformed about what constitutes residency at an level and for whatever degree of permanency.  Do you require a “probabtion” period for anyone coming to the state for any reason to determine if they really mean to “settle” here?  If so, I imagine that you’l head up the policing effort.

    As for the generalizations on the political inclination of students in general, check the original article.  The Orono clerks showed that of the students registered on campus, only about half registered as Democrat or Republican (admitedly 2:1 Democrat), the rest chose Independent or no party.  Hardly a uniform voting bloc.

  • Anonymous

    See my comment in general re availability of registration ON CAMPUS.  Unnecesary hindrance is equivalent to turning away.  This conservative paranoia also does not consider new residents of Maine, the elderly, the infirm, nor anyone else with legitimate residency but lack of transportation.

  • Anonymous

    That poster was “attempting” to find reasons to justify his dislike of college students and his knowing the less who vote, the better his chances for his Repub candidates.

  • Anonymous

    That poster was “attempting” to find reasons to justify his dislike of college students and his knowing the less who vote, the better his chances for his Repub candidates.

  • Anonymous

    That poster was “attempting” to find reasons to justify his dislike of college students and his knowing the less who vote, the better his chances for his Repub candidates.

  • Anonymous

    That poster was “attempting” to find reasons to justify his dislike of college students and his knowing the less who vote, the better his chances for his Repub candidates.

  • Anonymous

    That poster was “attempting” to find reasons to justify his dislike of college students and his knowing the less who vote, the better his chances for his Repub candidates.

  • Anonymous

    That poster was “attempting” to find reasons to justify his dislike of college students and his knowing the less who vote, the better his chances for his Repub candidates.

  • http://www.infowars.com Pat Riote

    Hi, I’m a Conservative Libertarian, and I disagree. Greedy people who don’t want to share power vote against voting rights for people that would loosen their grip on power. It’s got nothing to do with “conservative” or “neo-con” or “liberal” or “Democrat” or “Republican” etc. etc.. So unless you go through every voting record you just quoted as being slanted towards Conservatives resisting wider voting powers for people, I suggest you just chalk it up greedy individuals and leave the labels at home.

    Stop putting labels on everything and everybody.

  • http://www.infowars.com Pat Riote

    Hi, I’m a Conservative Libertarian, and I disagree. Greedy people who don’t want to share power vote against voting rights for people that would loosen their grip on power. It’s got nothing to do with “conservative” or “neo-con” or “liberal” or “Democrat” or “Republican” etc. etc.. So unless you go through every voting record you just quoted as being slanted towards Conservatives resisting wider voting powers for people, I suggest you just chalk it up greedy individuals and leave the labels at home.

    Stop putting labels on everything and everybody.

  • http://www.infowars.com Pat Riote

    Hi, I’m a Conservative Libertarian, and I disagree. Greedy people who don’t want to share power vote against voting rights for people that would loosen their grip on power. It’s got nothing to do with “conservative” or “neo-con” or “liberal” or “Democrat” or “Republican” etc. etc.. So unless you go through every voting record you just quoted as being slanted towards Conservatives resisting wider voting powers for people, I suggest you just chalk it up greedy individuals and leave the labels at home.

    Stop putting labels on everything and everybody.

  • Anonymous

    Good comments. I heard statistics yesterday that indicate that the population around metropolitan areas is growing steadily, and all over this country population is dropping off in the more rural areas.   Interesting….

  • Anonymous

    Good comments. I heard statistics yesterday that indicate that the population around metropolitan areas is growing steadily, and all over this country population is dropping off in the more rural areas.   Interesting….

  • Anonymous

    Good comments. I heard statistics yesterday that indicate that the population around metropolitan areas is growing steadily, and all over this country population is dropping off in the more rural areas.   Interesting….

  • http://twitter.com/BlaqkPhoenix777 BlaqkPhoenix777

    Like it or not these students ARE legal residents of Maine, and about 9 out of 10 of university of Maine students are from in state anyways. So why should we be trying to keep Maine residents from voting? Putting down roots in Maine, as you call it, requires first and foremost a desire to live here and a feeling of kinship in the community they live in; if we continue to tell university students that their opinions don’t matter, then when they graduate they will move somewhere more accepting, and when that happens you can kiss whatever financial benefits that student would have brought goodbye. I happen to be a recent Umaine graduate, and people like you are the reason why I am moving away from Maine as soon as humanly possible; I am sick of being told that my opinions don’t matter just because I am young and “liberal.” Open your mind and accept that you might gain a little perspective from listening to someone with a different view.

  • http://twitter.com/BlaqkPhoenix777 BlaqkPhoenix777

    Like it or not these students ARE legal residents of Maine, and about 9 out of 10 of university of Maine students are from in state anyways. So why should we be trying to keep Maine residents from voting? Putting down roots in Maine, as you call it, requires first and foremost a desire to live here and a feeling of kinship in the community they live in; if we continue to tell university students that their opinions don’t matter, then when they graduate they will move somewhere more accepting, and when that happens you can kiss whatever financial benefits that student would have brought goodbye. I happen to be a recent Umaine graduate, and people like you are the reason why I am moving away from Maine as soon as humanly possible; I am sick of being told that my opinions don’t matter just because I am young and “liberal.” Open your mind and accept that you might gain a little perspective from listening to someone with a different view.

  • http://twitter.com/BlaqkPhoenix777 BlaqkPhoenix777

    Like it or not these students ARE legal residents of Maine, and about 9 out of 10 of university of Maine students are from in state anyways. So why should we be trying to keep Maine residents from voting? Putting down roots in Maine, as you call it, requires first and foremost a desire to live here and a feeling of kinship in the community they live in; if we continue to tell university students that their opinions don’t matter, then when they graduate they will move somewhere more accepting, and when that happens you can kiss whatever financial benefits that student would have brought goodbye. I happen to be a recent Umaine graduate, and people like you are the reason why I am moving away from Maine as soon as humanly possible; I am sick of being told that my opinions don’t matter just because I am young and “liberal.” Open your mind and accept that you might gain a little perspective from listening to someone with a different view.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kobuk-Volbane/100002408203386 Kobuk Volbane

    May I ask what a conservative libertarian is?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kobuk-Volbane/100002408203386 Kobuk Volbane

    May I ask what a conservative libertarian is?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kobuk-Volbane/100002408203386 Kobuk Volbane

    May I ask what a conservative libertarian is?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kobuk-Volbane/100002408203386 Kobuk Volbane

    May I ask what a conservative libertarian is?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1682057719 Nat Parkinson

    This is just as contrived and false as the scary Ground Zero Mosque story from last year.  Jingle the keys to distract the children from the real issues.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1682057719 Nat Parkinson

    This is just as contrived and false as the scary Ground Zero Mosque story from last year.  Jingle the keys to distract the children from the real issues.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1682057719 Nat Parkinson

    This is just as contrived and false as the scary Ground Zero Mosque story from last year.  Jingle the keys to distract the children from the real issues.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1682057719 Nat Parkinson

    This is just as contrived and false as the scary Ground Zero Mosque story from last year.  Jingle the keys to distract the children from the real issues.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1682057719 Nat Parkinson

    This is just as contrived and false as the scary Ground Zero Mosque story from last year.  Jingle the keys to distract the children from the real issues.

  • Anonymous

    From reading comments on the BDN boards over times, it appears some have a chip on their shoulder concerning higher education, especially at colleges such as Bates, Bowdoin , Colby,etc  (and shhhh…….don’t mention Harvard!!!)   What comes across is some kind of attempt to downgrade those places (from which come some of our top scientists and others in this country).  Why knock something like that unless you feel some kind of lack yourself.   Not saying there aren’t many other excellent colleges , vocational colleges,etc. but if one is secure with themselves , they have no need to try and dismiss a good college education as “elitist.”
    It is the right wing posters who tend to knock it , so of course you can see the tie-in with the whole voting issue.
    I have a bulletin for you; they will not be able to disenfranchise students or anyone. It won’t work.
    And they will be dying off someday….the idea of not wanting to encourage more and more young people to want to make Maine a place to work and live, is , to put it mildly, counterproductive.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=714934207 Marc Gardner

    I don’t think it is talking about being turned away when you register early. It’s speaking to the issue of  ”same day voter registration”. Potential voters WILL BE TURNED AWAY if they try to register and vote on election day. The past 38 years Maine allowed ”same day voter registration”, but now it doesn’t. Voting demographics were studied by some Republicans and they hatched a plan across the nation to try and restrict voting on a certain demographic of people. That demographic was made up of people who used the opportunity of  ”same day voter registration” to have their counted, as is their right, just like everyone else. This group happened to also be made of mostly of democratic, liberal leaning,  people. The people who don’t usually vote Republican. Google restrictive voting laws and see what you find regarding all the states who have been rushing these new “guidelines” in for voting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=714934207 Marc Gardner

    I don’t think it is talking about being turned away when you register early. It’s speaking to the issue of  ”same day voter registration”. Potential voters WILL BE TURNED AWAY if they try to register and vote on election day. The past 38 years Maine allowed ”same day voter registration”, but now it doesn’t. Voting demographics were studied by some Republicans and they hatched a plan across the nation to try and restrict voting on a certain demographic of people. That demographic was made up of people who used the opportunity of  ”same day voter registration” to have their counted, as is their right, just like everyone else. This group happened to also be made of mostly of democratic, liberal leaning,  people. The people who don’t usually vote Republican. Google restrictive voting laws and see what you find regarding all the states who have been rushing these new “guidelines” in for voting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=714934207 Marc Gardner

    I don’t think it is talking about being turned away when you register early. It’s speaking to the issue of  ”same day voter registration”. Potential voters WILL BE TURNED AWAY if they try to register and vote on election day. The past 38 years Maine allowed ”same day voter registration”, but now it doesn’t. Voting demographics were studied by some Republicans and they hatched a plan across the nation to try and restrict voting on a certain demographic of people. That demographic was made up of people who used the opportunity of  ”same day voter registration” to have their counted, as is their right, just like everyone else. This group happened to also be made of mostly of democratic, liberal leaning,  people. The people who don’t usually vote Republican. Google restrictive voting laws and see what you find regarding all the states who have been rushing these new “guidelines” in for voting.

  • Anonymous

    Hey countryboy:  Stop trying to twist what I said.  I said nothing about fraud being good…..I said nothing about finding  real fraud.  And, while we are at it, there are many places besides this where fraud happens. Have you considered corporate fraud?  Hmm?

    Only in the “conservative world” do people have to make a point or argument by twisting what someone posted or adding things they never said.

  • Anonymous

    Hey countryboy:  Stop trying to twist what I said.  I said nothing about fraud being good…..I said nothing about finding  real fraud.  And, while we are at it, there are many places besides this where fraud happens. Have you considered corporate fraud?  Hmm?

    Only in the “conservative world” do people have to make a point or argument by twisting what someone posted or adding things they never said.

  • Anonymous

    Hey countryboy:  Stop trying to twist what I said.  I said nothing about fraud being good…..I said nothing about finding  real fraud.  And, while we are at it, there are many places besides this where fraud happens. Have you considered corporate fraud?  Hmm?

    Only in the “conservative world” do people have to make a point or argument by twisting what someone posted or adding things they never said.

  • Anonymous

    Hey countryboy:  Stop trying to twist what I said.  I said nothing about fraud being good…..I said nothing about finding  real fraud.  And, while we are at it, there are many places besides this where fraud happens. Have you considered corporate fraud?  Hmm?

    Only in the “conservative world” do people have to make a point or argument by twisting what someone posted or adding things they never said.

  • Anonymous

    Hey countryboy:  Stop trying to twist what I said.  I said nothing about fraud being good…..I said nothing about finding  real fraud.  And, while we are at it, there are many places besides this where fraud happens. Have you considered corporate fraud?  Hmm?

    Only in the “conservative world” do people have to make a point or argument by twisting what someone posted or adding things they never said.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent comments.

  • Anonymous

    Sad when they (such as Bethany Reynolds) point out the facts, that some think right away that it is about someone being scared or running scared.  The same old refrain…  It is in their dreams only….

  • Anonymous

    Sad when they (such as Bethany Reynolds) point out the facts, that some think right away that it is about someone being scared or running scared.  The same old refrain…  It is in their dreams only….

  • Anonymous

    Sad when they (such as Bethany Reynolds) point out the facts, that some think right away that it is about someone being scared or running scared.  The same old refrain…  It is in their dreams only….

  • Anonymous

    Sad when they (such as Bethany Reynolds) point out the facts, that some think right away that it is about someone being scared or running scared.  The same old refrain…  It is in their dreams only….

  • Anonymous

    Sad when they (such as Bethany Reynolds) point out the facts, that some think right away that it is about someone being scared or running scared.  The same old refrain…  It is in their dreams only….

  • http://www.facebook.com/mbwwalz MaryBeth Whiting Walz

    Kind of sounds like a label, doesn’t it!

  • Anonymous

    They were your words I quoted, not mine. Maybe if you didn’t like my response, perhaps you should have worded it differently.

    Why is it, in your world, that if a person expresses anti-progressive ideas, then he must naturally be for “corporations”?

    Just for the record, I have no more use for corporate welfare than I do the continuation of todays modern welfare system. Both are destroying this country.

    If you bothered to read anything the founders wrote, you would see that they all were against taking from one man’s pocket…..to put it in the pocket of another. They did not make any distinction between giving government largesse to individuals or corporations.

    We would not be in this mess if polticians of ALL political stripes had not won elected offices by promising voters the gift of other people’s money.

    In my book charity is a personal thing. See someone who needs help? Give of yourself. Licensing government to steal from those who have it is detestable.

  • Anonymous

    They were your words I quoted, not mine. Maybe if you didn’t like my response, perhaps you should have worded it differently.

    Why is it, in your world, that if a person expresses anti-progressive ideas, then he must naturally be for “corporations”?

    Just for the record, I have no more use for corporate welfare than I do the continuation of todays modern welfare system. Both are destroying this country.

    If you bothered to read anything the founders wrote, you would see that they all were against taking from one man’s pocket…..to put it in the pocket of another. They did not make any distinction between giving government largesse to individuals or corporations.

    We would not be in this mess if polticians of ALL political stripes had not won elected offices by promising voters the gift of other people’s money.

    In my book charity is a personal thing. See someone who needs help? Give of yourself. Licensing government to steal from those who have it is detestable.

  • Anonymous

    They were your words I quoted, not mine. Maybe if you didn’t like my response, perhaps you should have worded it differently.

    Why is it, in your world, that if a person expresses anti-progressive ideas, then he must naturally be for “corporations”?

    Just for the record, I have no more use for corporate welfare than I do the continuation of todays modern welfare system. Both are destroying this country.

    If you bothered to read anything the founders wrote, you would see that they all were against taking from one man’s pocket…..to put it in the pocket of another. They did not make any distinction between giving government largesse to individuals or corporations.

    We would not be in this mess if polticians of ALL political stripes had not won elected offices by promising voters the gift of other people’s money.

    In my book charity is a personal thing. See someone who needs help? Give of yourself. Licensing government to steal from those who have it is detestable.

  • Anonymous

    They were your words I quoted, not mine. Maybe if you didn’t like my response, perhaps you should have worded it differently.

    Why is it, in your world, that if a person expresses anti-progressive ideas, then he must naturally be for “corporations”?

    Just for the record, I have no more use for corporate welfare than I do the continuation of todays modern welfare system. Both are destroying this country.

    If you bothered to read anything the founders wrote, you would see that they all were against taking from one man’s pocket…..to put it in the pocket of another. They did not make any distinction between giving government largesse to individuals or corporations.

    We would not be in this mess if polticians of ALL political stripes had not won elected offices by promising voters the gift of other people’s money.

    In my book charity is a personal thing. See someone who needs help? Give of yourself. Licensing government to steal from those who have it is detestable.

  • Anonymous

    They were your words I quoted, not mine. Maybe if you didn’t like my response, perhaps you should have worded it differently.

    Why is it, in your world, that if a person expresses anti-progressive ideas, then he must naturally be for “corporations”?

    Just for the record, I have no more use for corporate welfare than I do the continuation of todays modern welfare system. Both are destroying this country.

    If you bothered to read anything the founders wrote, you would see that they all were against taking from one man’s pocket…..to put it in the pocket of another. They did not make any distinction between giving government largesse to individuals or corporations.

    We would not be in this mess if polticians of ALL political stripes had not won elected offices by promising voters the gift of other people’s money.

    In my book charity is a personal thing. See someone who needs help? Give of yourself. Licensing government to steal from those who have it is detestable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mbwwalz MaryBeth Whiting Walz

    Liberal voters (I’m assuming you’re using that label for Democrats) except for the writer and his two friends and, well, who knows who else that may have voted republican.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think this is going to turn away college students at all, it may anger some politically minded ones but the majority of college students could care less about it, and that is the truth.  Most of them have no idea what they are voting on when it comes to the local election anyway, they just listen to what the people getting them to register have to say and whoever has the most ads out.  Very few in relation to the majority actually know the issues and candidates or have an actual opinion that they would defend, or so I’ve found any way.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    In his press conference on Monday, Maine Republican Chair Charlie Webster made his real intent plain: to stop college students who did not grow up in the college town from voting on local issues. While Webster singles out out-of-state students, his logic applies to Mainers to. How many students attending Orono are from other towns in Maine?

    It is of interest to learn the background of the case (Symm v. United States) that this editorial cites. A clerk in a county in Texas wanted to prohibit students from a historical black college (Prairie A&M)  from voting there. The Supreme Court allowed a lower court ruling to stand, giving college students the right to vote where they live while in school.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    In his press conference on Monday, Maine Republican Chair Charlie Webster made his real intent plain: to stop college students who did not grow up in the college town from voting on local issues. While Webster singles out out-of-state students, his logic applies to Mainers to. How many students attending Orono are from other towns in Maine?

    It is of interest to learn the background of the case (Symm v. United States) that this editorial cites. A clerk in a county in Texas wanted to prohibit students from a historical black college (Prairie A&M)  from voting there. The Supreme Court allowed a lower court ruling to stand, giving college students the right to vote where they live while in school.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    In his press conference on Monday, Maine Republican Chair Charlie Webster made his real intent plain: to stop college students who did not grow up in the college town from voting on local issues. While Webster singles out out-of-state students, his logic applies to Mainers to. How many students attending Orono are from other towns in Maine?

    It is of interest to learn the background of the case (Symm v. United States) that this editorial cites. A clerk in a county in Texas wanted to prohibit students from a historical black college (Prairie A&M)  from voting there. The Supreme Court allowed a lower court ruling to stand, giving college students the right to vote where they live while in school.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    There is no time requirement to establish residency in Maine. There is a time requirement to run for certain elected offices.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    There is no time requirement to establish residency in Maine. There is a time requirement to run for certain elected offices.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    There is no time requirement to establish residency in Maine. There is a time requirement to run for certain elected offices.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    There is no time requirement to establish residency in Maine. There is a time requirement to run for certain elected offices.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mbwwalz MaryBeth Whiting Walz

    Many students not only pay lots to come to our excellent schools in Maine, but they also stay here during the summer. Most of these students have to work year round to help pay for their education and expenses. And as someone else points out, they contribute to the local community with their money for more than just a week or two like tourists.

    I’m just waiting until they count the “illegal votes” and see how many of them actually voted for LePage. The race was awfully close…

  • http://www.facebook.com/mbwwalz MaryBeth Whiting Walz

    Many students not only pay lots to come to our excellent schools in Maine, but they also stay here during the summer. Most of these students have to work year round to help pay for their education and expenses. And as someone else points out, they contribute to the local community with their money for more than just a week or two like tourists.

    I’m just waiting until they count the “illegal votes” and see how many of them actually voted for LePage. The race was awfully close…

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Nearly 50,000 Mainers registered and voted on election day in 2008. In 2010, just over 18,000 did so. I myself did so in 2005, after we had moved to Rockland that August.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Nearly 50,000 Mainers registered and voted on election day in 2008. In 2010, just over 18,000 did so. I myself did so in 2005, after we had moved to Rockland that August.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Nearly 50,000 Mainers registered and voted on election day in 2008. In 2010, just over 18,000 did so. I myself did so in 2005, after we had moved to Rockland that August.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Please explain what you think it means to be a “qualified” voter.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Please explain what you think it means to be a “qualified” voter.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Please explain what you think it means to be a “qualified” voter.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, the college students who could care less and don’t have any idea what’s going on with the local election don’t bother taking the time to go out to vote.

  • Lori Cole

    A little more complex than Jason describes:  black men got the right to vote before white women did (although individual states found ways to take that right away, whether by law or intimidation).  Similar story in some states for Mexicans.  Because Asians couldn’t become citizens for many years (although their American-born children could), the vote was denied them until the mid-20th century.

  • Lori Cole

    A little more complex than Jason describes:  black men got the right to vote before white women did (although individual states found ways to take that right away, whether by law or intimidation).  Similar story in some states for Mexicans.  Because Asians couldn’t become citizens for many years (although their American-born children could), the vote was denied them until the mid-20th century.

  • Anonymous

    Same for us when we moved to Maine in 2004.

  • Anonymous

    Same for us when we moved to Maine in 2004.

  • Anonymous

    Be clear, the Republican’s effort is to shave off only a percent or two of votes from each state to steal the election they pretend to save. As we see them doing exactly the same thing in other states, know this is a nationally coordinated theft of an election.

  • Anonymous

    Well to an extent that is true cause i distinctly remember college republicans and college democrat groups registering tons of students and then provide transportation on voting day to the polls.  Though likely that the majority of students didn’t go there were a significant number that did, and knowing some of those people they had no real appreciation for what they were voting on, just what sounded like the better option based on what ad they saw last.  As we all know those ads and ballot questions are not always straightforward.  I’ve known people that come out of the polls and find out later that they answered no instead of yes or vice-versa.  It can definitely be a bandwagon and peer pressure mentality on a college campus.

  • Anonymous

    Your opinion matters, that is why you have the right to vote in your state of legal residence.  If you choose to live in Maine and choose to establish legal residence here, feel free to vote here.  If you leave, that’s OK also, we have lots of Maine kids that can’t get jobs in Maine and have to move out of state.  There’s a saying in Maine about not letting the door hit you, if you want to leave, please go and don’t blame “people like you.” 

    What I find distressing is the frailty of your “logic,” especially since you claim to be a college student that recently graduated from college.  There is nothing about requiring that you vote wherever you legally reside that means “that my opinions don’t matter.”  The purpose for requiring people to vote where they have legal residence is to confine the voting population to those most effected by the vote.  For example, lets say the State of Maine has a bond issue on the ballot.  Why should a person that doesn’t live in Maine, or pay income taxes in Maine have a say in that bond issue and my tax rate?   I know college doesn’t teach critical thinking skills anymore, but try the best you can.  Otherwise maybe the BDN will hire you to write editorials.

  • Anonymous

    Your opinion matters, that is why you have the right to vote in your state of legal residence.  If you choose to live in Maine and choose to establish legal residence here, feel free to vote here.  If you leave, that’s OK also, we have lots of Maine kids that can’t get jobs in Maine and have to move out of state.  There’s a saying in Maine about not letting the door hit you, if you want to leave, please go and don’t blame “people like you.” 

    What I find distressing is the frailty of your “logic,” especially since you claim to be a college student that recently graduated from college.  There is nothing about requiring that you vote wherever you legally reside that means “that my opinions don’t matter.”  The purpose for requiring people to vote where they have legal residence is to confine the voting population to those most effected by the vote.  For example, lets say the State of Maine has a bond issue on the ballot.  Why should a person that doesn’t live in Maine, or pay income taxes in Maine have a say in that bond issue and my tax rate?   I know college doesn’t teach critical thinking skills anymore, but try the best you can.  Otherwise maybe the BDN will hire you to write editorials.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for proving my point (2 to 1 Democrat).

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for proving my point (2 to 1 Democrat).

  • Anonymous

    All this proves is that Democrats don’t plan. No wonder the country is so financially messed up.

  • Anonymous

    The freaking point was not wether these students voted in Maine or not but did they vote twice once in Maine and once in their home states.

    I would not care if they did vote twice on local issues, once in whatever town they live in while attending higher education in Maine, and their hometown (the town they grew up in).

    If they vote in State elections in both states it becomes a little more problematic, but on the national level (I estimate that nationally there are 1.8 million out of state students attending college) this could easily change a presidental election.

    Has this happened? I doubt it but the number is troubling.

  • Anonymous

    The freaking point was not wether these students voted in Maine or not but did they vote twice once in Maine and once in their home states.

    I would not care if they did vote twice on local issues, once in whatever town they live in while attending higher education in Maine, and their hometown (the town they grew up in).

    If they vote in State elections in both states it becomes a little more problematic, but on the national level (I estimate that nationally there are 1.8 million out of state students attending college) this could easily change a presidental election.

    Has this happened? I doubt it but the number is troubling.

  • Anonymous

    You get your vote and that’s it. You don’t get to make the determination for someone else as to whether they care enough or not about whatever issue.

  • Anonymous

    You get your vote and that’s it. You don’t get to make the determination for someone else as to whether they care enough or not about whatever issue.

  • Anonymous

    You get your vote and that’s it. You don’t get to make the determination for someone else as to whether they care enough or not about whatever issue.

  • Anonymous

    That is true but it still irks me and many others when people vote and have no idea what they are voting for, when ample opportunity is there to inform ones self on the issues.  Probably doesn’t affect the outcomes but it is still quite annoying.

  • Anonymous

    That is true but it still irks me and many others when people vote and have no idea what they are voting for, when ample opportunity is there to inform ones self on the issues.  Probably doesn’t affect the outcomes but it is still quite annoying.

  • Anonymous

    This article is just political posturing.

    Making a claim that this will drive out
    college students is ludicrous, Graduates will leave this state, not from being
    unable to vote but because there are few jobs to be had.

    The attempt to make the issue of voter fraud
    to be about “political” gain by one side shows contempt for our
    voting process.
    Making a claim that this will drive out
    college students is ludicrous, Graduates will leave this state, not from being
    unable to vote but because there are few jobs to be had.

    The attempt to make the issue of voter fraud
    to be about “political” gain by one side shows contempt for our
    voting process.

    All voters of this country should be
    concerned with voting improprieties perpetrated by politicians of any stripe. There
    is a long history of voter fraud in our larger cities.

  • Anonymous

    This article is just political posturing.

    Making a claim that this will drive out
    college students is ludicrous, Graduates will leave this state, not from being
    unable to vote but because there are few jobs to be had.

    The attempt to make the issue of voter fraud
    to be about “political” gain by one side shows contempt for our
    voting process.
    Making a claim that this will drive out
    college students is ludicrous, Graduates will leave this state, not from being
    unable to vote but because there are few jobs to be had.

    The attempt to make the issue of voter fraud
    to be about “political” gain by one side shows contempt for our
    voting process.

    All voters of this country should be
    concerned with voting improprieties perpetrated by politicians of any stripe. There
    is a long history of voter fraud in our larger cities.

  • Anonymous

    This article is just political posturing.

    Making a claim that this will drive out
    college students is ludicrous, Graduates will leave this state, not from being
    unable to vote but because there are few jobs to be had.

    The attempt to make the issue of voter fraud
    to be about “political” gain by one side shows contempt for our
    voting process.
    Making a claim that this will drive out
    college students is ludicrous, Graduates will leave this state, not from being
    unable to vote but because there are few jobs to be had.

    The attempt to make the issue of voter fraud
    to be about “political” gain by one side shows contempt for our
    voting process.

    All voters of this country should be
    concerned with voting improprieties perpetrated by politicians of any stripe. There
    is a long history of voter fraud in our larger cities.

  • Anonymous

    One who pays taxes.  Lots and lots of taxes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    I actually think Charlie Webster may have found one of the rare ways in politics to get himself sued, yes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    I’ll field that one. The amount of fraud would have to be greater than the effort invested into rooting out said fraud. All fraud, of course, is wrong — but the question is, is it worth going after it?

    Disenfranchising thousands of Mainers because one guy voted twice, not enough fraud to matter.

    Going after 1% of welfare cases that are fraudulent, when it costs more for the state to prosecute them than to leave them alone, not enough fraud to matter.

    You show me a thousand people voting illegally in this state — less than one tenth of one percent — and I’ll be willing to start listening. So far, Charlie Webster has found 206 names and not proven anything by listing those names.

  • Anonymous

    Have accusations actually been made? I have seen none that have actually been made.

    No one has said that “Nosmo King has comitted voter fraud by voting in two states”.

    I do not know why 206 out of state students were chosen out of 1800+ out of state students at UMO, were they the only OOS students that voted in Maine?

  • Anonymous

    Not to nit pick, but there is no requirement that someone pay income taxes in this state to be allowed to vote. Prisoners in our jails and prisons have the right to vote, although very few bother. HS students who turn 18 and have never earned a red cent have the right to vote in this state. Just a little fact for you to ponder.

  • Anonymous

    Using a concealed carry license, the only registration I could find in TX law, to register to vote seems to be strange, but to have a concealed carry license in Texas one must prove they are a resident of Texas, and must inform the Department of Public Safety of changes of address within 30 days. So I think it would be proof of residency.

  • Anonymous

    How many of these students are driving vehicles that are owned by their parents who reside out of state? Have you checked the registration on all these vehicles? Is it against the law for a student to drive a vehicle that is fully owned by a parent or guardian from another state?

  • Anonymous

    Again, if a student doen’t own a vehicle, how can it become mandatory for that student to register a vehicle that they down own or have. I belive you are chasing smoke.

  • Anonymous

    Larry the accusations have been made by Webster and now by Secretary of State Sumners. Neither of which has presented any actual proof.

  • Anonymous

    Larry the accusations have been made by Webster and now by Secretary of State Sumners. Neither of which has presented any actual proof.

  • Anonymous

    Larry the accusations have been made by Webster and now by Secretary of State Sumners. Neither of which has presented any actual proof.

  • Anonymous

    Larry the accusations have been made by Webster and now by Secretary of State Sumners. Neither of which has presented any actual proof.

  • Anonymous

    Larry the accusations have been made by Webster and now by Secretary of State Sumners. Neither of which has presented any actual proof.

  • Anonymous

    Who was accused? All I have heard of is that some out of state residents may have voted in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry, but you were unpersuasive.
    Once again, you put words where there were none. I never said anything about any fraud being a good thing. So, trying to twist to make your point did not work.
    Maybe you don’t understand anything that is not black and white though…who knows….

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry, but you were unpersuasive.
    Once again, you put words where there were none. I never said anything about any fraud being a good thing. So, trying to twist to make your point did not work.
    Maybe you don’t understand anything that is not black and white though…who knows….

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry, but you were unpersuasive.
    Once again, you put words where there were none. I never said anything about any fraud being a good thing. So, trying to twist to make your point did not work.
    Maybe you don’t understand anything that is not black and white though…who knows….

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry, but you were unpersuasive.
    Once again, you put words where there were none. I never said anything about any fraud being a good thing. So, trying to twist to make your point did not work.
    Maybe you don’t understand anything that is not black and white though…who knows….

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry, but you were unpersuasive.
    Once again, you put words where there were none. I never said anything about any fraud being a good thing. So, trying to twist to make your point did not work.
    Maybe you don’t understand anything that is not black and white though…who knows….

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry, but you were unpersuasive.
    Once again, you put words where there were none. I never said anything about any fraud being a good thing. So, trying to twist to make your point did not work.
    Maybe you don’t understand anything that is not black and white though…who knows….

  • Anonymous

    I’m sorry, but you were unpersuasive.
    Once again, you put words where there were none. I never said anything about any fraud being a good thing. So, trying to twist to make your point did not work.
    Maybe you don’t understand anything that is not black and white though…who knows….

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. We moved here not knowing the area at all, and my husband had to go back to an AF Base to finish the paperwork  etc. when you leave.
    We had young kids and were living in a motel till we found an apt, then a house.  Both children will ill and then I caught it, living in the motel and did not have the car till he returned from the base. (quite a no. of hrs away.)
    This had nothing to do with not being interested and informed citizens.  It can sometimes be timing. I could have not timed anything right then, as the doctor ordered bed rest or he said I would have walking pneumonia.
    So, I totally agree with you. (but we know what this is mostly about anyway….)

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. We moved here not knowing the area at all, and my husband had to go back to an AF Base to finish the paperwork  etc. when you leave.
    We had young kids and were living in a motel till we found an apt, then a house.  Both children will ill and then I caught it, living in the motel and did not have the car till he returned from the base. (quite a no. of hrs away.)
    This had nothing to do with not being interested and informed citizens.  It can sometimes be timing. I could have not timed anything right then, as the doctor ordered bed rest or he said I would have walking pneumonia.
    So, I totally agree with you. (but we know what this is mostly about anyway….)

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. We moved here not knowing the area at all, and my husband had to go back to an AF Base to finish the paperwork  etc. when you leave.
    We had young kids and were living in a motel till we found an apt, then a house.  Both children will ill and then I caught it, living in the motel and did not have the car till he returned from the base. (quite a no. of hrs away.)
    This had nothing to do with not being interested and informed citizens.  It can sometimes be timing. I could have not timed anything right then, as the doctor ordered bed rest or he said I would have walking pneumonia.
    So, I totally agree with you. (but we know what this is mostly about anyway….)

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. We moved here not knowing the area at all, and my husband had to go back to an AF Base to finish the paperwork  etc. when you leave.
    We had young kids and were living in a motel till we found an apt, then a house.  Both children will ill and then I caught it, living in the motel and did not have the car till he returned from the base. (quite a no. of hrs away.)
    This had nothing to do with not being interested and informed citizens.  It can sometimes be timing. I could have not timed anything right then, as the doctor ordered bed rest or he said I would have walking pneumonia.
    So, I totally agree with you. (but we know what this is mostly about anyway….)

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. We moved here not knowing the area at all, and my husband had to go back to an AF Base to finish the paperwork  etc. when you leave.
    We had young kids and were living in a motel till we found an apt, then a house.  Both children will ill and then I caught it, living in the motel and did not have the car till he returned from the base. (quite a no. of hrs away.)
    This had nothing to do with not being interested and informed citizens.  It can sometimes be timing. I could have not timed anything right then, as the doctor ordered bed rest or he said I would have walking pneumonia.
    So, I totally agree with you. (but we know what this is mostly about anyway….)

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. We moved here not knowing the area at all, and my husband had to go back to an AF Base to finish the paperwork  etc. when you leave.
    We had young kids and were living in a motel till we found an apt, then a house.  Both children will ill and then I caught it, living in the motel and did not have the car till he returned from the base. (quite a no. of hrs away.)
    This had nothing to do with not being interested and informed citizens.  It can sometimes be timing. I could have not timed anything right then, as the doctor ordered bed rest or he said I would have walking pneumonia.
    So, I totally agree with you. (but we know what this is mostly about anyway….)

  • Anonymous

    Yup , which logically leads me to believe that the ones who do vote, care.
    I doubt highly that they will find anything, nothing legit anyway.

  • Anonymous

    Amen.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and most of us get it.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    It’s an editorial, not a news story.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    It’s an editorial, not a news story.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    As of yet, Webster has not provide any evidence that students voted twice on the same day.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    As of yet, Webster has not provide any evidence that students voted twice on the same day.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    What kind of taxes?

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for those points to ponder, but I don’t see how they relate to my post.  I know this is complicated, but I didn’t say that one HAD to pay income taxes to vote, it was cited as an EXAMPLE of something most people do (at least until the Obama Depression) when they live here.  It was also used as a teaching point to explain why residency is used to determine where you vote.  Now, don’t you feel better now?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    I’m curious too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    It is so offensive to assume that young people do not know what they’re doing when they vote.  I have been voting since I turned 18 — 6 years — and I stand behind all of the votes I had cast, each of which I researched and thought about. To single out young people and say that they don’t know what they’re doing and they are just listening to ads is silly.

    The ads are out there because they are affecting pretty much everybody– that’s why so much money is spent on them. There are plenty of old people and middle-aged folks sitting in front of their TVs taking it all in, and being influenced by their buddies’ opinions above all. How many elderly people get confused by ballot questions? How many middle-age folks? Why heap all this blame on youth–educated youth at that?

     Voter education campaigns HELP with this– not hurt. Young people’s political organizations HELP clarify ballot questions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    It is so offensive to assume that young people do not know what they’re doing when they vote.  I have been voting since I turned 18 — 6 years — and I stand behind all of the votes I had cast, each of which I researched and thought about. To single out young people and say that they don’t know what they’re doing and they are just listening to ads is silly.

    The ads are out there because they are affecting pretty much everybody– that’s why so much money is spent on them. There are plenty of old people and middle-aged folks sitting in front of their TVs taking it all in, and being influenced by their buddies’ opinions above all. How many elderly people get confused by ballot questions? How many middle-age folks? Why heap all this blame on youth–educated youth at that?

     Voter education campaigns HELP with this– not hurt. Young people’s political organizations HELP clarify ballot questions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    Yes. It’s disenfranchisement, plain and simple. The benefits– if there are any– do not outweigh the costs, which seems to be consistent with Republican strategy in general.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    Yes. It’s disenfranchisement, plain and simple. The benefits– if there are any– do not outweigh the costs, which seems to be consistent with Republican strategy in general.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    Yes. It’s disenfranchisement, plain and simple. The benefits– if there are any– do not outweigh the costs, which seems to be consistent with Republican strategy in general.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    I think your comment is purely intended to take a jab at Democrats in whatever way you can. it has no weight as an argument.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    I think your comment is purely intended to take a jab at Democrats in whatever way you can. it has no weight as an argument.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    I think your comment is purely intended to take a jab at Democrats in whatever way you can. it has no weight as an argument.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    I think your comment is purely intended to take a jab at Democrats in whatever way you can. it has no weight as an argument.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    Why should we ever make it any harder to vote than necessary?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    Why should we ever make it any harder to vote than necessary?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    Why should we ever make it any harder to vote than necessary?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    Why should we ever make it any harder to vote than necessary?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dylan-C-Moore/100001780955208 Dylan C. Moore

    Why should we ever make it any harder to vote than necessary?

  • Anonymous

    There is nothing illegal or fraudulent about what you just wrote. And I would say there are many, many people who vote on nothing more than what they see in ads. At the risk of being offensive, I would even venture to say that more uneducated people who have never attended college vote solely based on ads and what their friends say – not thinking that there may be more to the story.

    Most people in college actually know how to form their own opinion. And, even if they don’t, there is nothing illegal about going with what their uncle is voting for.

    And I will again point out, most college students who are uninterested in the issues don’t vote – regardless of bus availability. Those buses are filled with college students who are interested in the outcomes of elections – that’s why they take the trouble to go out and vote.

  • Anonymous

    I freely admit to having my tongue firmly planted in my cheek. That and a little smirk as well.  However that is no more than i receive on a constant basis from other posters here.

  • Anonymous

    Why do you need an ID to get on a plane but you don’t need one to vote?

  • Anonymous

    I figure Pat means YOU labeling other people. S/He is of course free to label him/her self.  There is a lot of branding freely thrown around. We are all guilty.

  • Anonymous

    I figure Pat means YOU labeling other people. S/He is of course free to label him/her self.  There is a lot of branding freely thrown around. We are all guilty.

  • Anonymous

    I figure Pat means YOU labeling other people. S/He is of course free to label him/her self.  There is a lot of branding freely thrown around. We are all guilty.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think  any one has been accused, I got the impression that he wanted an investigation.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think  any one has been accused, I got the impression that he wanted an investigation.

  • Anonymous

    Being on the Editorial Page says it is the Editorial Board’s opinion. If it is not the official opinion of the Board maybe it should have been on the Op-Ed page and nave the writer’s name attached.

    Does being an Editorial mean that it is not have to meet the standards of news?

  • Anonymous

    Being on the Editorial Page says it is the Editorial Board’s opinion. If it is not the official opinion of the Board maybe it should have been on the Op-Ed page and nave the writer’s name attached.

    Does being an Editorial mean that it is not have to meet the standards of news?

  • Anonymous

    Being on the Editorial Page says it is the Editorial Board’s opinion. If it is not the official opinion of the Board maybe it should have been on the Op-Ed page and nave the writer’s name attached.

    Does being an Editorial mean that it is not have to meet the standards of news?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GBHAWY2DGMGS5W3VHFYLBPN7AU Jay C

    uneducated people are afraid of educated people….

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t say all young people, just the majority of them, I was in college at one point in time and I know many college students and my experience has been that the MAJORITY not all don’t know and don’t care.  I know personally a couple that voted on a hot button issue and just because of the way the question was worded that year voted the wrong way.  It happens.

  • Anonymous

    Never said it was fraudulent or illegal, and I was speaking from personal experience from what I know and the people I know.  Sometimes kids will go out and vote cause it becomes a legitimate excuse to skip out on class, go vote and take the day off, that happens.  I don’t doubt that anyone can form opinions, but not many have different opinions unless you are in a political class that discusses hot issues.  There is a very strong lemming mentality in college.  At least when I was in school there was.

  • http://www.infowars.com Pat Riote

    Yes, this is what I mean. Using labels as a way of demonizing someone is exactly what racism stems from, and incites people into a blind hatred of sorts. I will edit my original post to reflect this thought.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, we all know what it is about: voter integrity. Go find a dictionary if those words seem vague and confusing to you.

  • Anonymous

    Good point. Leftists obviously see this as an impediment to swaying elections with their faux voters. Isn’t that what ACORN was all about?  

  • Anonymous

    You need to use the word EVIL and DASTARDLY and…and…gosh, what else can we call those big, old meanies?!

  • Anonymous

    The editorial is a crock. If a student is from out-of-state, they are not a resident! The school knows that and assigns tuition accordingly. They have to live in the state as a non-enrolled student for two years before they can even declare in-state residency. So why should it be different for a vote? Another canard: they will put down roots only when they get a JOB. Give us a break!

  • Anonymous

    The ones who couldn’t care less don’t vote. The ones who could care less do vote.

  • Anonymous

    And this law would be…?

  • Anonymous

    And this law would be…?

  • Anonymous

    And this law would be…?

  • Anonymous

    And this law would be…?

  • Anonymous

    And this law would be…?

  • Anonymous

    But not their license…

  • Anonymous

    But not their license…

  • Anonymous

    But not their license…

  • Anonymous

    No. However, you need a license to drive. And if you are registered to vote in Maine, you are a resident of Maine, and need a Maine license if you drive. Also, if you register your car in your parents’ name just to avoid paying Maine registration taxes, that would be fraud, too.

  • Anonymous

    No. However, you need a license to drive. And if you are registered to vote in Maine, you are a resident of Maine, and need a Maine license if you drive. Also, if you register your car in your parents’ name just to avoid paying Maine registration taxes, that would be fraud, too.

  • Anonymous

    No. However, you need a license to drive. And if you are registered to vote in Maine, you are a resident of Maine, and need a Maine license if you drive. Also, if you register your car in your parents’ name just to avoid paying Maine registration taxes, that would be fraud, too.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think you have been reading what I have written.

  • Anonymous

    Lay off the Fox News.

  • Anonymous

    Charlie Webster is waiving a list of 206 students. Making accusations that they voted illegally. Sumners is making allegations from an un-named election official that they were told to shred evidence of voter fraud. I would think that there has to be names attached to these accusations. No proof of wrong doing but names just the same. Of course they don’t seem to have the intestinal fortitude to name names, that might just lay them open for libel.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    It is on the Op-Ed page, and editorials, by their very nature, are opinion pieces.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    It is on the Op-Ed page, and editorials, by their very nature, are opinion pieces.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    It is on the Op-Ed page, and editorials, by their very nature, are opinion pieces.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    It is on the Op-Ed page, and editorials, by their very nature, are opinion pieces.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Perhaps you should watch Webster’s press conference before you comment any further.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Perhaps you should watch Webster’s press conference before you comment any further.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Perhaps you should watch Webster’s press conference before you comment any further.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Perhaps you should watch Webster’s press conference before you comment any further.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Perhaps you should watch Webster’s press conference before you comment any further.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Perhaps you should watch Webster’s press conference before you comment any further.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Perhaps you should watch Webster’s press conference before you comment any further.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Perhaps you should watch Webster’s press conference before you comment any further.

  • Anonymous

    States have always differed with some having liberal and others conservative voting laws.  But as a nation, my sequence of events is correct.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    How did you conduct the research that led you to conclude that the majority did whatever it is you say they did?

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    You do not have a right to fly on a plane.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Please explain how one “establishes legal residence” in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    This is an area I’ve studied.  Those who fought against expanded voting rights called themselves Conservatives.

    Senator Russell (a souther Democrat) who time and again thwarted attempts to pass the voting rights act spearheaded by Liberal Hubert Humphry called himself a Conservative.

    Those who fought against women’s suffage like President W. H. Taft called themselves Conservatives.

  • Anonymous

    This is an area I’ve studied.  Those who fought against expanded voting rights called themselves Conservatives.

    Senator Russell (a souther Democrat) who time and again thwarted attempts to pass the voting rights act spearheaded by Liberal Hubert Humphry called himself a Conservative.

    Those who fought against women’s suffage like President W. H. Taft called themselves Conservatives.

  • http://twitter.com/DirigoBlue Gerald Weinand

    Have you ever moved from one state to another? Did you contact the town where you used to live and request that you be removed from their voting roll? Why not?

  • Anonymous

    If he had released the names, libel could have been lhe least of his problem. If he had released the names he could have been charged with interfering with an investigation.

  • Anonymous

    In case you never knew this, Op-Ed Page is shortened from opposite editorial page. This means the page opposite the editorial page.

    The opinion pieces on the opposite editorial page has the name of the writer on it, the editorials do not because they are the opinion of the editorial board, their names are on the newspaper above the editorials.

  • Anonymous

    In case you never knew this, Op-Ed Page is shortened from opposite editorial page. This means the page opposite the editorial page.

    The opinion pieces on the opposite editorial page has the name of the writer on it, the editorials do not because they are the opinion of the editorial board, their names are on the newspaper above the editorials.

  • Anonymous

    The jist of the Tea Party meeting I went to seemed to want to return this country to the same as it was when the Constitution was written. That would preclude women and any poor people from voting.

    Of course this country has seemed to have gone to h–l in a handbasket since we gave women the vote;)

  • Anonymous

    The jist of the Tea Party meeting I went to seemed to want to return this country to the same as it was when the Constitution was written. That would preclude women and any poor people from voting.

    Of course this country has seemed to have gone to h–l in a handbasket since we gave women the vote;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643335372 Bethany Reynolds

    Voting residency requirements ARE different from tuition residency requirements. That is one of the points of the editorial. You may not like it, but it’s the law.

  • Anonymous

    Boy bdneck, I hope that my son who will be LEAVING the state of Maine to pay out of state tuition at another college doesn’t have to deal with people like you in the community he will be living in. Why don’t you just say send your money but don’t come we don’t want you. 
    We have laws already on the books who can and cannot vote, with all the issues we have in this state why are some willing to waste valuable time trying to fix something that even to this day has yet to be proven as a problem. Don’t we have enough known problems to be looking into???

  • Anonymous

    Boy bdneck, I hope that my son who will be LEAVING the state of Maine to pay out of state tuition at another college doesn’t have to deal with people like you in the community he will be living in. Why don’t you just say send your money but don’t come we don’t want you. 
    We have laws already on the books who can and cannot vote, with all the issues we have in this state why are some willing to waste valuable time trying to fix something that even to this day has yet to be proven as a problem. Don’t we have enough known problems to be looking into???

  • Anonymous

    Boy bdneck, I hope that my son who will be LEAVING the state of Maine to pay out of state tuition at another college doesn’t have to deal with people like you in the community he will be living in. Why don’t you just say send your money but don’t come we don’t want you. 
    We have laws already on the books who can and cannot vote, with all the issues we have in this state why are some willing to waste valuable time trying to fix something that even to this day has yet to be proven as a problem. Don’t we have enough known problems to be looking into???

  • Anonymous

    Now that I know that you don’t like to have your words twisted, I must tell you that you’ve done this to me and other posters. Just go back to our conversation from yesterday and you will see all your attempts to twist my replies. Do I need to recall each and thus embarrass you? Not once however have I seen you apologize when taken to task for doing so. Regardless of political philosophies, you need to realize that not all posters are mean-spirited, not even necessarily those who disagree with your views on such topics “gay marriage”, voter registration, and the mural incident involving the governor.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you in that there is no need to go chasing fraud when there is very little of it in some instances. But where is the disenfranchising you are talking about? And is the fraud rate of welfare cases just 1%? Have you ever considered that not all welfare abuse involves criminal fraud? Some people have figured out how the system works and use it fully to their own personal advantage. They are perfectly healthy and end up on the dole year after year and in some cases generation after generation. I see it in my own neighborhood, people taking advantage of every opportunity there is to take from the public while they themselves are capable of taking care of their own needs.

  • Anonymous

    How would that be a problem? All he would have to say is that these people are person’s of interest in the investigation. Done all the time.

  • Anonymous

    How would that be a problem? All he would have to say is that these people are person’s of interest in the investigation. Done all the time.

  • Anonymous

    How would that be a problem? All he would have to say is that these people are person’s of interest in the investigation. Done all the time.

  • Anonymous

    How would that be a problem? All he would have to say is that these people are person’s of interest in the investigation. Done all the time.

  • Anonymous

    How would that be a problem? All he would have to say is that these people are person’s of interest in the investigation. Done all the time.

  • Anonymous

    How would that be a problem? All he would have to say is that these people are person’s of interest in the investigation. Done all the time.

  • Anonymous

    How would that be a problem? All he would have to say is that these people are person’s of interest in the investigation. Done all the time.

  • Anonymous

    How would that be a problem? All he would have to say is that these people are person’s of interest in the investigation. Done all the time.

  • Anonymous

    How would that be a problem? All he would have to say is that these people are person’s of interest in the investigation. Done all the time.

  • Anonymous

    How would that be a problem? All he would have to say is that these people are person’s of interest in the investigation. Done all the time.

  • Anonymous

    I oppose the releasing of names, even persons of interest, because it could link innocent people to a crime. It also gives the guilty warning that they have someone looking for them.

  • Anonymous

    last word whawell back again.
    Btw, we had a wonderful day yesterday.
    By all indications , it appears you are the one…….
    You can call someone else a troll, but you can’t take it when someone….
    Once again, I have seen through the hypocrisy.
    I am not at all interested in keeping this going as you so so seem  to need to. Hmm…..
    Bye bye now.

  • Anonymous

    last word whawell back again.
    Btw, we had a wonderful day yesterday.
    By all indications , it appears you are the one…….
    You can call someone else a troll, but you can’t take it when someone….
    Once again, I have seen through the hypocrisy.
    I am not at all interested in keeping this going as you so so seem  to need to. Hmm…..
    Bye bye now.

  • Anonymous

    last word whawell back again.
    Btw, we had a wonderful day yesterday.
    By all indications , it appears you are the one…….
    You can call someone else a troll, but you can’t take it when someone….
    Once again, I have seen through the hypocrisy.
    I am not at all interested in keeping this going as you so so seem  to need to. Hmm…..
    Bye bye now.

  • Anonymous

    last word whawell back again.
    Btw, we had a wonderful day yesterday.
    By all indications , it appears you are the one…….
    You can call someone else a troll, but you can’t take it when someone….
    Once again, I have seen through the hypocrisy.
    I am not at all interested in keeping this going as you so so seem  to need to. Hmm…..
    Bye bye now.

  • Anonymous

    last word whawell back again.
    Btw, we had a wonderful day yesterday.
    By all indications , it appears you are the one…….
    You can call someone else a troll, but you can’t take it when someone….
    Once again, I have seen through the hypocrisy.
    I am not at all interested in keeping this going as you so so seem  to need to. Hmm…..
    Bye bye now.

  • Anonymous

    last word whawell back again.
    Btw, we had a wonderful day yesterday.
    By all indications , it appears you are the one…….
    You can call someone else a troll, but you can’t take it when someone….
    Once again, I have seen through the hypocrisy.
    I am not at all interested in keeping this going as you so so seem  to need to. Hmm…..
    Bye bye now.

  • Anonymous

    Does asking someone – for the sake of clarification – if he per chance might be merely trolling amount to name calling? If someone, for instance, happens to make a misstatement, does that make him or her a liar? The point I’ve been trying to make to you is this: It’s one thing to attack what a person does or says. It’s quite another thing to attack a person with name-calling or with a personal negative characterization. In the former case, the person can respond without being offended. In the latter case, the person is basically painted into a corner and is left feeling that he or she has no recourse but to take defensive action to protect their own integrity.

    This might sound like a ridiculous reply, yet it really isn’t when one stops to consider that name-calling and personal attacks are not permitted in this forum even though not every single instance of this is enforced by the moderator.

  • Anonymous

    Does asking someone – for the sake of clarification – if he per chance might be merely trolling amount to name calling? If someone, for instance, happens to make a misstatement, does that make him or her a liar? The point I’ve been trying to make to you is this: It’s one thing to attack what a person does or says. It’s quite another thing to attack a person with name-calling or with a personal negative characterization. In the former case, the person can respond without being offended. In the latter case, the person is basically painted into a corner and is left feeling that he or she has no recourse but to take defensive action to protect their own integrity.

    This might sound like a ridiculous reply, yet it really isn’t when one stops to consider that name-calling and personal attacks are not permitted in this forum even though not every single instance of this is enforced by the moderator.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    DHHS reports that fraud is at 1% in Maine, and since they’re the only people qualified to perform such a study, I stand by the fact that fraud is 1% of TANF cases in Maine. They put the study out sometime in October, I believe it was.

    And where is the disenfranchising? Depends on point of view, I guess. When someone works the same hours their town office is open every week (typically 8-4 or so), and doesn’t get vacation or sick time (which I’m sure people will agree isn’t uncommon in this economy), when are they supposed to register to vote under this new law? Are conservatives expecting poor people to take an unpaid day off work to register, to choose between food and voting? I’ve heard a lot of people say “people should be more prepared”, are those people willing to pay someone for a day’s work so they can take that day off to register to vote? I don’t think it’s right to expect people to choose between working or voting, they should be able to do both.

    These are many of the people who “wait until the last minute”. I’d know, that’s why I’ve registered same day in the past. I went to the polls at 7 PM, after I got off a day’s work and had supper, and registered to vote and cast my ballot. People want to take that right away from me, and that’s why I worked to collect almost 400 signatures during this campaign. I will not allow a handful of legislators to determine how difficult my life will be.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    If all he wanted was an investigation, he would have submitted his evidence to Sec. Summers without a press conference — after which, if they found something, they could present it to the media. Last I checked, when the FBI investigates people, they usually don’t pull together a press conference to let us know.

    The fact he and Summers are holding press conferences to talk about half-truths (the 206 names) or all-out lies (the accusations made against Sec. Dunlap) shows that this is all about politics and nothing else. And they’re both going to regret making these decisions pretty soon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    If all he wanted was an investigation, he would have submitted his evidence to Sec. Summers without a press conference — after which, if they found something, they could present it to the media. Last I checked, when the FBI investigates people, they usually don’t pull together a press conference to let us know.

    The fact he and Summers are holding press conferences to talk about half-truths (the 206 names) or all-out lies (the accusations made against Sec. Dunlap) shows that this is all about politics and nothing else. And they’re both going to regret making these decisions pretty soon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    If all he wanted was an investigation, he would have submitted his evidence to Sec. Summers without a press conference — after which, if they found something, they could present it to the media. Last I checked, when the FBI investigates people, they usually don’t pull together a press conference to let us know.

    The fact he and Summers are holding press conferences to talk about half-truths (the 206 names) or all-out lies (the accusations made against Sec. Dunlap) shows that this is all about politics and nothing else. And they’re both going to regret making these decisions pretty soon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    If all he wanted was an investigation, he would have submitted his evidence to Sec. Summers without a press conference — after which, if they found something, they could present it to the media. Last I checked, when the FBI investigates people, they usually don’t pull together a press conference to let us know.

    The fact he and Summers are holding press conferences to talk about half-truths (the 206 names) or all-out lies (the accusations made against Sec. Dunlap) shows that this is all about politics and nothing else. And they’re both going to regret making these decisions pretty soon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    If all he wanted was an investigation, he would have submitted his evidence to Sec. Summers without a press conference — after which, if they found something, they could present it to the media. Last I checked, when the FBI investigates people, they usually don’t pull together a press conference to let us know.

    The fact he and Summers are holding press conferences to talk about half-truths (the 206 names) or all-out lies (the accusations made against Sec. Dunlap) shows that this is all about politics and nothing else. And they’re both going to regret making these decisions pretty soon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    If all he wanted was an investigation, he would have submitted his evidence to Sec. Summers without a press conference — after which, if they found something, they could present it to the media. Last I checked, when the FBI investigates people, they usually don’t pull together a press conference to let us know.

    The fact he and Summers are holding press conferences to talk about half-truths (the 206 names) or all-out lies (the accusations made against Sec. Dunlap) shows that this is all about politics and nothing else. And they’re both going to regret making these decisions pretty soon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    If all he wanted was an investigation, he would have submitted his evidence to Sec. Summers without a press conference — after which, if they found something, they could present it to the media. Last I checked, when the FBI investigates people, they usually don’t pull together a press conference to let us know.

    The fact he and Summers are holding press conferences to talk about half-truths (the 206 names) or all-out lies (the accusations made against Sec. Dunlap) shows that this is all about politics and nothing else. And they’re both going to regret making these decisions pretty soon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    No, that was about registration fraud, not voter fraud. I’d encourage you to learn the difference.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    It also lacks weight because until Obama got handed this mess, it’s been Republicans jacking up the debt and deficit and Democrats lessening it…

  • Anonymous

    I agree that the news conference was dumb, and likely politically motivated, but politicians are always doing dumb things for political reasons.

  • Anonymous

    I agree that the news conference was dumb, and likely politically motivated, but politicians are always doing dumb things for political reasons.

  • Anonymous

    I agree that the news conference was dumb, and likely politically motivated, but politicians are always doing dumb things for political reasons.

  • Anonymous

    I agree that the news conference was dumb, and likely politically motivated, but politicians are always doing dumb things for political reasons.

  • Anonymous

    And equivalent number of Independents plus a significant number of no preference.  Hardly indicative of categorical (and false) statements that “students vote Democratic” (implying all do).  Plus, this has no relevance on hindering students from voting.  If you think it does, you’re advocating unethical and possibly illegal practices.

  • Anonymous

    And equivalent number of Independents plus a significant number of no preference.  Hardly indicative of categorical (and false) statements that “students vote Democratic” (implying all do).  Plus, this has no relevance on hindering students from voting.  If you think it does, you’re advocating unethical and possibly illegal practices.

  • Anonymous

    And equivalent number of Independents plus a significant number of no preference.  Hardly indicative of categorical (and false) statements that “students vote Democratic” (implying all do).  Plus, this has no relevance on hindering students from voting.  If you think it does, you’re advocating unethical and possibly illegal practices.

  • Anonymous

    And equivalent number of Independents plus a significant number of no preference.  Hardly indicative of categorical (and false) statements that “students vote Democratic” (implying all do).  Plus, this has no relevance on hindering students from voting.  If you think it does, you’re advocating unethical and possibly illegal practices.

  • Anonymous

    And equivalent number of Independents plus a significant number of no preference.  Hardly indicative of categorical (and false) statements that “students vote Democratic” (implying all do).  Plus, this has no relevance on hindering students from voting.  If you think it does, you’re advocating unethical and possibly illegal practices.

  • Anonymous

    And equivalent number of Independents plus a significant number of no preference.  Hardly indicative of categorical (and false) statements that “students vote Democratic” (implying all do).  Plus, this has no relevance on hindering students from voting.  If you think it does, you’re advocating unethical and possibly illegal practices.

  • Anonymous

    But you can’t make these categorical statements and insist they’re true.  No data.

  • Anonymous

    But you can’t make these categorical statements and insist they’re true.  No data.

  • Anonymous

    But you can’t make these categorical statements and insist they’re true.  No data.

  • Anonymous

    But you can’t make these categorical statements and insist they’re true.  No data.

  • Anonymous

    But you can’t make these categorical statements and insist they’re true.  No data.

  • Anonymous

    I know there are many who can work but choose not to because of the ease of getting unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, etc. And they do it legitimately, or “almost”. And there are some who work in the underground economy while not reporting income derived from this source. As a former government employee I can tell you government studies are almost always not what they seem to be when you find out just how they are conducted.

    My understanding is that the recent law designed to prevent voting fraud only prohibits same-day registration on election day. Tell me, how many times does a person have to register in a lifetime? Most people register once and then again only when they relocate to a remote location. If they can take time to move, it seems to me they can take time to register. If they can take time to renew their driver’s license every five years, they ought to be able to register. If they can take time off for a doctor’s appointment they can register just before or after that appointment. They can also register during their vacation time. As for students, they can register on campus in most instances. And besides, registering to vote is such a simple task for most people. Seriously, do you think some voters will not be able to vote because of this new requirement? With that, it’s hard for me to understand why anyone can’t register outside election day. By the way, you seemed to have found plenty of time to collect almost 400 signatures. When did you find the all time needed to accomplish that? I’ve done that in the past more than once, so I know just how much time it takes. No, your voting right will assuredly not be taken away from you or anybody else if the law stands. 

  • Anonymous

    I know there are many who can work but choose not to because of the ease of getting unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, etc. And they do it legitimately, or “almost”. And there are some who work in the underground economy while not reporting income derived from this source. As a former government employee I can tell you government studies are almost always not what they seem to be when you find out just how they are conducted.

    My understanding is that the recent law designed to prevent voting fraud only prohibits same-day registration on election day. Tell me, how many times does a person have to register in a lifetime? Most people register once and then again only when they relocate to a remote location. If they can take time to move, it seems to me they can take time to register. If they can take time to renew their driver’s license every five years, they ought to be able to register. If they can take time off for a doctor’s appointment they can register just before or after that appointment. They can also register during their vacation time. As for students, they can register on campus in most instances. And besides, registering to vote is such a simple task for most people. Seriously, do you think some voters will not be able to vote because of this new requirement? With that, it’s hard for me to understand why anyone can’t register outside election day. By the way, you seemed to have found plenty of time to collect almost 400 signatures. When did you find the all time needed to accomplish that? I’ve done that in the past more than once, so I know just how much time it takes. No, your voting right will assuredly not be taken away from you or anybody else if the law stands. 

  • Anonymous

    I know there are many who can work but choose not to because of the ease of getting unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, etc. And they do it legitimately, or “almost”. And there are some who work in the underground economy while not reporting income derived from this source. As a former government employee I can tell you government studies are almost always not what they seem to be when you find out just how they are conducted.

    My understanding is that the recent law designed to prevent voting fraud only prohibits same-day registration on election day. Tell me, how many times does a person have to register in a lifetime? Most people register once and then again only when they relocate to a remote location. If they can take time to move, it seems to me they can take time to register. If they can take time to renew their driver’s license every five years, they ought to be able to register. If they can take time off for a doctor’s appointment they can register just before or after that appointment. They can also register during their vacation time. As for students, they can register on campus in most instances. And besides, registering to vote is such a simple task for most people. Seriously, do you think some voters will not be able to vote because of this new requirement? With that, it’s hard for me to understand why anyone can’t register outside election day. By the way, you seemed to have found plenty of time to collect almost 400 signatures. When did you find the all time needed to accomplish that? I’ve done that in the past more than once, so I know just how much time it takes. No, your voting right will assuredly not be taken away from you or anybody else if the law stands. 

  • Anonymous

    I know there are many who can work but choose not to because of the ease of getting unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, etc. And they do it legitimately, or “almost”. And there are some who work in the underground economy while not reporting income derived from this source. As a former government employee I can tell you government studies are almost always not what they seem to be when you find out just how they are conducted.

    My understanding is that the recent law designed to prevent voting fraud only prohibits same-day registration on election day. Tell me, how many times does a person have to register in a lifetime? Most people register once and then again only when they relocate to a remote location. If they can take time to move, it seems to me they can take time to register. If they can take time to renew their driver’s license every five years, they ought to be able to register. If they can take time off for a doctor’s appointment they can register just before or after that appointment. They can also register during their vacation time. As for students, they can register on campus in most instances. And besides, registering to vote is such a simple task for most people. Seriously, do you think some voters will not be able to vote because of this new requirement? With that, it’s hard for me to understand why anyone can’t register outside election day. By the way, you seemed to have found plenty of time to collect almost 400 signatures. When did you find the all time needed to accomplish that? I’ve done that in the past more than once, so I know just how much time it takes. No, your voting right will assuredly not be taken away from you or anybody else if the law stands. 

  • Anonymous

    I know there are many who can work but choose not to because of the ease of getting unemployment compensation, welfare, food stamps, etc. And they do it legitimately, or “almost”. And there are some who work in the underground economy while not reporting income derived from this source. As a former government employee I can tell you government studies are almost always not what they seem to be when you find out just how they are conducted.

    My understanding is that the recent law designed to prevent voting fraud only prohibits same-day registration on election day. Tell me, how many times does a person have to register in a lifetime? Most people register once and then again only when they relocate to a remote location. If they can take time to move, it seems to me they can take time to register. If they can take time to renew their driver’s license every five years, they ought to be able to register. If they can take time off for a doctor’s appointment they can register just before or after that appointment. They can also register during their vacation time. As for students, they can register on campus in most instances. And besides, registering to vote is such a simple task for most people. Seriously, do you think some voters will not be able to vote because of this new requirement? With that, it’s hard for me to understand why anyone can’t register outside election day. By the way, you seemed to have found plenty of time to collect almost 400 signatures. When did you find the all time needed to accomplish that? I’ve done that in the past more than once, so I know just how much time it takes. No, your voting right will assuredly not be taken away from you or anybody else if the law stands. 

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