Brewer couple relieved over conviction in windmill scheme

Posted July 10, 2011, at 7:01 p.m.
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BREWER — Carolyn Thompson expressed relief Sunday that the California man who bilked her husband, Ray Thompson, out of $30,000 soon will be behind bars.

James Rivera, 42, of Carson, Calif., was convicted by a federal jury on Friday, June 24 of one count of mail fraud and 10 counts of wire fraud, according to documents filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles.

“I think it’s good,” Carolyn Thompson of Brewer said of his conviction. “He hurt a lot of people and was living a pretty high life.”

Rivera sold to investors the licensing rights to territories throughout the country for home windmills, according to the indictment. Rivera said he held patents on the alternator for the windmills and other components. He told investors that a large retail chain was interested in purchasing windmill units for its stores and that director Oliver Stone would use the windmill to provide electricity during the production of a film.

None of it was true.

The indictment also charged that in late 2008 Rivera began marketing a new bogus product called a Quick Energy Recovery Ventilator. How it was supposed to work was not outlined in the indictment.

Rivera’s conviction was announced Friday in a press release issued by the Maine Department of Professional Financial Regulation, which includes the state’s Office of Securities. That office issued a warning about Rivera’s operation in June 2008 after the Thompsons and others reported his activities.

“The office decided to issue this warning after receiving information that at least 10 Maine residents have invested in two Nevada corporations, Almighty Wind, Inc. and Apostles, Inc., supposedly developing new technologies using windmills,” the press release said.

“Based on information received from investors, Rivera appears to have used his participation in a nondenominational Christian church in California to identify potential investors, who in turn recommend other investors based in part on their shared religious beliefs. Investors reported that sales pitches were made over the Internet in so-called ‘webinars’ or teleconferences conducted by Rivera,” Judith Shaw, administrator for the Department of Professional and Financial Regulation warned three years ago.

She estimated Friday that Rivera bilked investors of “hundreds of millions dollars.”

Rivera was indicted by a federal grand jury in October 2010. He was arrested on Nov. 3, 2010 and released two weeks later after posting $75,000 in property as bail. Conditions of release included house arrest, according to documents filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles. His trial began on July 21.

Carolyn Thompson testified on the second day of the trial, she said Sunday.

“We learned about him through friends,” she said. “We were involved in an herbal company with them for over 10 years. They were contacted through her sister who was friends with people who had invested. That’s how he drew people in — friend to friend and relative to relative.”

Ray Thompson, who owns and operates a hardware store in West Enfield, mailed or wired three $10,000 checks to Rivera between February and April 2008, his wife said.

“We were hoping to get this established to help our children so they would have secure futures,” Carolyn Thompson said. “We were excited about helping with green energy. We’d expected the windmill would create excess electricity so homeowners would be able to sell it back to the grid and that might cover the cost of the leases for homeowners.”

That dream evaporated in April 2008, when the Thompsons were among about 200 investors who went to Las Vegas to see a prototype of the windmill. It looked nothing like the photographs they had been shown and was hooked up to a generator but not installed at a home, according to Carolyn Thompson.

“When we got to Las Vegas and actually saw what he had up as a windmill,” she said, “everyone was very upset and began to doubt him. After that, a lot of people started asking for their money back. Of course, we never got it.”

Carolyn Thompson said neither she nor her husband regularly use computers and listened to the “webinars” over the telephone but did not use a computer to participate.

“It never occurred to me to ‘Google’ his name,” she said of Rivera.

She took excellent notes, kept records of all communications with him and took pictures of many of the investors who attended the Las Vegas event.

“I jokingly said, ‘I’m taking these in case the FBI needs them some day,’” she said.

Copies of the pictures she took and information she gathered were turned over to the FBI’s Cyber and Intellectual Property Crimes Unit, but not all of it was used during the trial.

Carolyn Thompson said she and her husband had learned a valuable lesson from their involvement with Rivera and are more cautious about investing now.

“The Almighty Wind case shows how easy it is for even sophisticated individuals to be taken in by a persuasive con,” Shaw said in the press release issued Friday. “The Maine victims thought they were asking all the right questions and doing their homework, but the problem was they trusted the defendant to provide truthful information. It was only when the investors had a chance to view the windmill technology on an inspection trip that suspicions were raised. Unfortunately, by that time, the Thompsons and other victims had already invested hundreds of thousands of dollars.”

Shaw stressed the importance of checking out any investment opportunity and its promoter with state securities regulators, in addition to other research.

“If the Maine victims in this case had checked with our office before investing, this scheme would have quickly unraveled,” she said.

Rivera’s sentencing was set for Sept. 12. He remains free on bail but still is under house arrest.

He faces up to 20 years in prison, a fine of $250,000 and is expected to be ordered to pay restitution to his victims.

Shaw said Friday that Rivera most likely would be sent to prison for between 10 and 12 years.

Carolyn Thompson said she would submit an impact statement, and encourage other victims in Maine to do the same, to the court in California before the sentencing.

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  • Anonymous

    Search, search, and research if you plan to invest money.

  • Anonymous

    Baldacci committed a far bigger wind mill scam.

  • Anonymous

    Whether it’s “home” wind turbines or industrial grid scale wind turbines, there’s plenty of fraud and corruption to go around.   The idea that you can create enough electricity to make these wind turbines pay off before they become rusty hulks that everyone walks away from is pure fantasy.  The lies told by this crook are not all that much different than what’s being propogated by the commercial developers day-in and day-out in small towns all across Maine.  Maine is seen as a target rich environment for these developers because these small towns down have the resources to fight them.   Add to that the fact that the developers “front men” have already spent a year or more spreading “influence money” around town to those who can be of help in ‘selling’ the projects to other townspeople. This should be illegal.   Outlandish lies, like Attorney Neil Kiley of First Wind telling townspeople in several meetings that wind power will significantly reduce the rate of cancer in Maine is pure fraud, but apparently because it’s white collar fraud by a large corporation, the State turns it’s back to this activity.   The Attorney General needs to investigate the outlandish claims being made by the developers and also look into the influence peddling (what most of us would call bribes) that is rampant throughout the state wherever they target another proposed project.   Wind power is pure fantasy in any non-biased scientific study when it comes to looking at the cost to benefit ratio of these turbines, even with all the taxpayer money the developers are given.    It’s all just a well orchestrated scam of international proportions.  It’s about time someone in the Attorney General’s office grow some ‘nads and actually investigate the tactics, bribery, and colusion that’s being perpetrated on our State’s towns every day by these developers. 

  • Anonymous

     Here’s something to investigate,  Questionable Involvement in
    “Maine Green Energy Alliance with only Seven MGEA staff members. Almost Half
    of the THREE MILLION $ tax funded grant money went for Salaries!

    Seth Berry AUGUSTA – An op-ed by
    Maine Democrat Representative Seth Berry of Bowdoinham shows further
    involvement by Democrat legislators in the notorious Maine Green Energy
    Alliance (MGEA) controversy, as well as a possible ‘double dipping’ scenario on
    the part of a government grant recipient. On September 23, 2010, the same week
    that House Democrat Leader Emily Cain appeared on Bangor television to promote
    the MGEA, Rep. Berry penned an op-ed in the Kennebec Journal touting his
    receipt of an ‘energy audit’:  “After undergoing an energy audit, my
    own family and I are now weatherizing our home…Our home improvement will put
    neighbors to work instead of oil executives… we will create jobs for workers
    at Healthy Homes Maine in Litchfield…” What Rep. Berry Failed to mention
    was that the weatherization contracting company Healthy
    Homes Maine is owned by Seth
    Murray, who also serves as the Executive Director of the embattled Maine Green
    Energy Alliance. MGEA has come under sharp criticism recently for failing to
    complete its contract with a state agency, completing only 50 of a contracted
    1,000 weatherization products, and for hiring a series of sitting Democrat
    legislators and political operatives. Healthy Maine Homes filed its statement
    of organization with the Maine Secretary of State in May of 2010, just weeks
    after MGEA got word they would receive a $3 million grant to facilitate the
    weatherization of Maine homes. Murray
    received a taxpayer-funded $80,000 a year salary from MGEA.  In
    addition to sharing an Executive Director, the MGEA and Healthy
    Homes Maine also share an
    office phone number.      
    “The working people of Maine
    deserve to know what the real story is here,” said Maine GOP Chair Charlie
    Webster. “Was Mr. Murray and staff double-dipping from taxpayer funds?”

    How much energy $ was saved verses money spent?  Where did all that money
    go?

    We need some answers from the staff getting their “share”.

    Check out who’s who on the MGEA staff. Very Interesting.
    “Birds of a feather flock together.”  Sounds like taxpayer Fraud in my
    opinion.

    VOTE For SANITY, . CUT SPENDING, . CUT TAXES ! ! !

  • Patten_Pete

    The $ 2 million University of Maine wind turbine is at about 11% of capacity – a miserable failure.

    Yet the driving force behind this debacle, UMPI’s Don Zillman, won’t admit it and keeps talking about what a great thing it is. This is a betrayal of all Mainers as he said at the start that he would share info – not bad info.

    Eat crow and move on.

  • SwiftyMorgain

       This is why Government was given the authority to regulate commerce for the general good of the population. But how do you know when it is being done for the general good of the population and when it it is being done for special interests?

    But then again,
     How do we know that you aren’t telling us lies?

  • SwiftyMorgain

    Never mind cutting taxing and  spending, spend on fraud investigation and

    Just Jailem!

  • Anonymous

    That’s not the only deplorable wind scheme being perpetrated on Mainers.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    The BDN is on this story, you can sleep well at night.  ;)

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad they were able to get justice… and glad they came forward. Many victims of cons and scams are often too embarrassed to speak out for fear of looking foolish.  The truth is anyone can be fooled by a con artists, they really are THAT good when it comes to anticipating questions, having all the answers and lying is how they make a living.  It’s nice to see one of them answering for his actions!   

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad they were able to get justice… and glad they came forward. Many victims of cons and scams are often too embarrassed to speak out for fear of looking foolish.  The truth is anyone can be fooled by a con artists, they really are THAT good when it comes to anticipating questions, having all the answers and lying is how they make a living.  It’s nice to see one of them answering for his actions!   

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad they were able to get justice… and glad they came forward. Many victims of cons and scams are often too embarrassed to speak out for fear of looking foolish.  The truth is anyone can be fooled by a con artists, they really are THAT good when it comes to anticipating questions, having all the answers and lying is how they make a living.  It’s nice to see one of them answering for his actions!   

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad they were able to get justice… and glad they came forward. Many victims of cons and scams are often too embarrassed to speak out for fear of looking foolish.  The truth is anyone can be fooled by a con artists, they really are THAT good when it comes to anticipating questions, having all the answers and lying is how they make a living.  It’s nice to see one of them answering for his actions!   

  • Anonymous

    Interested in learning more.  Please post links to the non-biased scientific studies you mention.  Since “science” relies on peer-review and replication of research results to minimize bias and error, I expect the studies you mentioned to have been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals and not just by an organization with “foundation” in its name.

  • Anonymous

    I’m glad the victims of this deadbeat got some justice (though not nearly enough), but I just can’t wrap my head around giving that kind of money to a perfect stranger without trying to dig up every bit of information I could about him.  As demonstrated here, I can see it happens to intelligent, business savvy people, but it’s a little hard to understand.  Just saying . . .

  • http://twitter.com/TheHumbleFarmer Robert Karl Skoglund

    We read that the press release said, “at least 10 Maine residents have invested in two Nevada corporations, Almighty Wind, Inc. and Apostles, Inc.”

    Would the company names suggest that the con men set their trap for the most provincial and therefore most gullible segment of the population?

    The humble Farmer

  • http://twitter.com/TheHumbleFarmer Robert Karl Skoglund

    We read that the press release said, “at least 10 Maine residents have invested in two Nevada corporations, Almighty Wind, Inc. and Apostles, Inc.”

    Would the company names suggest that the con men set their trap for the most provincial and therefore most gullible segment of the population?

    The humble Farmer

  • http://twitter.com/TheHumbleFarmer Robert Karl Skoglund

    We read that the press release said, “at least 10 Maine residents have invested in two Nevada corporations, Almighty Wind, Inc. and Apostles, Inc.”

    Would the company names suggest that the con men set their trap for the most provincial and therefore most gullible segment of the population?

    The humble Farmer

  • http://twitter.com/TheHumbleFarmer Robert Karl Skoglund

    We read that the press release said, “at least 10 Maine residents have invested in two Nevada corporations, Almighty Wind, Inc. and Apostles, Inc.”

    Would the company names suggest that the con men set their trap for the most provincial and therefore most gullible segment of the population?

    The humble Farmer

  • http://twitter.com/TheHumbleFarmer Robert Karl Skoglund

    We read that the press release said, “at least 10 Maine residents have invested in two Nevada corporations, Almighty Wind, Inc. and Apostles, Inc.”

    Would the company names suggest that the con men set their trap for the most provincial and therefore most gullible segment of the population?

    The humble Farmer

  • http://twitter.com/TheHumbleFarmer Robert Karl Skoglund

    We read that the press release said, “at least 10 Maine residents have invested in two Nevada corporations, Almighty Wind, Inc. and Apostles, Inc.”

    Would the company names suggest that the con men set their trap for the most provincial and therefore most gullible segment of the population?

    The humble Farmer

  • http://twitter.com/TheHumbleFarmer Robert Karl Skoglund

    We read that the press release said, “at least 10 Maine residents have invested in two Nevada corporations, Almighty Wind, Inc. and Apostles, Inc.”

    Would the company names suggest that the con men set their trap for the most provincial and therefore most gullible segment of the population?

    The humble Farmer

  • Anonymous

    Hey,  I just heard that the Bangor/Brewer bridge was for sale too!  Call me at 555-5…………….

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know about studies, but my daughter in Arcade NY pays significantly less for electricity than most do because of the large wind farm spread across the hills.

  • Anonymous

    People learned of the guy through fellow church members, so they assumed the guy was a fellow “Christian” which, for some people, means he is of the highest moral character.  Uh-huh. Unfortunately, fraud is just as rampant among chruch-goers as everywhere else. It cracks me up to see people note that they are Christians in an advertisement for services such as handyman or yard work. I don’t give a hoot about someone’s religious affiliation if I’m looking to get work done on my house. I’m much more interested in their honesty, integrity, skills, and quality of work.

  • Anonymous

    People learned of the guy through fellow church members, so they assumed the guy was a fellow “Christian” which, for some people, means he is of the highest moral character.  Uh-huh. Unfortunately, fraud is just as rampant among chruch-goers as everywhere else. It cracks me up to see people note that they are Christians in an advertisement for services such as handyman or yard work. I don’t give a hoot about someone’s religious affiliation if I’m looking to get work done on my house. I’m much more interested in their honesty, integrity, skills, and quality of work.

  • Anonymous

    People learned of the guy through fellow church members, so they assumed the guy was a fellow “Christian” which, for some people, means he is of the highest moral character.  Uh-huh. Unfortunately, fraud is just as rampant among chruch-goers as everywhere else. It cracks me up to see people note that they are Christians in an advertisement for services such as handyman or yard work. I don’t give a hoot about someone’s religious affiliation if I’m looking to get work done on my house. I’m much more interested in their honesty, integrity, skills, and quality of work.

  • Anonymous

    People learned of the guy through fellow church members, so they assumed the guy was a fellow “Christian” which, for some people, means he is of the highest moral character.  Uh-huh. Unfortunately, fraud is just as rampant among chruch-goers as everywhere else. It cracks me up to see people note that they are Christians in an advertisement for services such as handyman or yard work. I don’t give a hoot about someone’s religious affiliation if I’m looking to get work done on my house. I’m much more interested in their honesty, integrity, skills, and quality of work.

  • Anonymous

    People learned of the guy through fellow church members, so they assumed the guy was a fellow “Christian” which, for some people, means he is of the highest moral character.  Uh-huh. Unfortunately, fraud is just as rampant among chruch-goers as everywhere else. It cracks me up to see people note that they are Christians in an advertisement for services such as handyman or yard work. I don’t give a hoot about someone’s religious affiliation if I’m looking to get work done on my house. I’m much more interested in their honesty, integrity, skills, and quality of work.

  • Anonymous

    People learned of the guy through fellow church members, so they assumed the guy was a fellow “Christian” which, for some people, means he is of the highest moral character.  Uh-huh. Unfortunately, fraud is just as rampant among chruch-goers as everywhere else. It cracks me up to see people note that they are Christians in an advertisement for services such as handyman or yard work. I don’t give a hoot about someone’s religious affiliation if I’m looking to get work done on my house. I’m much more interested in their honesty, integrity, skills, and quality of work.

  • Anonymous

    People learned of the guy through fellow church members, so they assumed the guy was a fellow “Christian” which, for some people, means he is of the highest moral character.  Uh-huh. Unfortunately, fraud is just as rampant among chruch-goers as everywhere else. It cracks me up to see people note that they are Christians in an advertisement for services such as handyman or yard work. I don’t give a hoot about someone’s religious affiliation if I’m looking to get work done on my house. I’m much more interested in their honesty, integrity, skills, and quality of work.

  • Anonymous

    People learned of the guy through fellow church members, so they assumed the guy was a fellow “Christian” which, for some people, means he is of the highest moral character.  Uh-huh. Unfortunately, fraud is just as rampant among chruch-goers as everywhere else. It cracks me up to see people note that they are Christians in an advertisement for services such as handyman or yard work. I don’t give a hoot about someone’s religious affiliation if I’m looking to get work done on my house. I’m much more interested in their honesty, integrity, skills, and quality of work.

  • Anonymous

    green energy= green backs

  • Anonymous

    green energy= green backs

  • Anonymous

    Lots of charges about  “influence money” and bribery at the local level.  How about actual examples instead of baseless charges.

  • Anonymous

    My thoughts exactly.  Well said!

  • Anonymous

    The ROI on the University of Maine wind turbine is actually negative, a horrible waste of money.

    However, repeating the 11% of capacity number as if it has any real relevance is misleading at best.  No power plant runs at 100% capacity and few come anywhere near that figure.  Base load plants, such as nuclear,  come closest. 

  • Anonymous

    I have prime real estate for sale in the arctic circle if anyones interested….lol

  • Anonymous

    It’s pretty easy to find out if I’m lying or not, do some reading.  Check out what’s happened in Europe as well as various states across the country.  Start with the New York Attorney General’s office investigation hy do you think the State of NY insisted that First Wind sign an code of ethics letter in ordre to continue operating in that state? 

    Also, check out the documentary film “Windfall” that’s making it’s Maine debut in Waterville on the 15th and 19th.  FRom what I’ve heard, it fully captures the problems and techniques used by grid scale wind power developers.  I’m looking forward to seeing it myself so I can judge the acccuracyand veracity of it’s content based on examples I’ve seen here in Maine.

    Do you think a commerical wind power project in Carroll Plantation has the ability to significantly reduce the cancer rate in Maine?  There were about 60 people who attended that meeting and heard the outlandish lies being dished out there.  

  • SwiftyMorgain

        Thanks for the info, I am not particualy fond of see these monstrocities in my back yard. I am sure that you must have some similar interest as you make a lot of negative posts in regard to wind power.

    Cancer Rate?

        Its Very hard to attribute particular cancers to particular industries as statistics can be skewed.

    However,

       In regard to windpower reduceing cancer rates,If you have ever  done Maintenance inside of  a coal / Biomass fired boiler and come out of the preciptators as black  Midnight and watch friends in the industry die of cancer in thier 50′s you might agree!

  • SwiftyMorgain

        Thanks for the info, I am not particualy fond of see these monstrocities in my back yard. I am sure that you must have some similar interest as you make a lot of negative posts in regard to wind power.

    Cancer Rate?

        Its Very hard to attribute particular cancers to particular industries as statistics can be skewed.

    However,

       In regard to windpower reduceing cancer rates,If you have ever  done Maintenance inside of  a coal / Biomass fired boiler and come out of the preciptators as black  Midnight and watch friends in the industry die of cancer in thier 50′s you might agree!

  • SwiftyMorgain

        Thanks for the info, I am not particualy fond of see these monstrocities in my back yard. I am sure that you must have some similar interest as you make a lot of negative posts in regard to wind power.

    Cancer Rate?

        Its Very hard to attribute particular cancers to particular industries as statistics can be skewed.

    However,

       In regard to windpower reduceing cancer rates,If you have ever  done Maintenance inside of  a coal / Biomass fired boiler and come out of the preciptators as black  Midnight and watch friends in the industry die of cancer in thier 50′s you might agree!

  • SwiftyMorgain

        Thanks for the info, I am not particualy fond of see these monstrocities in my back yard. I am sure that you must have some similar interest as you make a lot of negative posts in regard to wind power.

    Cancer Rate?

        Its Very hard to attribute particular cancers to particular industries as statistics can be skewed.

    However,

       In regard to windpower reduceing cancer rates,If you have ever  done Maintenance inside of  a coal / Biomass fired boiler and come out of the preciptators as black  Midnight and watch friends in the industry die of cancer in thier 50′s you might agree!

  • SwiftyMorgain

        Thanks for the info, I am not particualy fond of see these monstrocities in my back yard. I am sure that you must have some similar interest as you make a lot of negative posts in regard to wind power.

    Cancer Rate?

        Its Very hard to attribute particular cancers to particular industries as statistics can be skewed.

    However,

       In regard to windpower reduceing cancer rates,If you have ever  done Maintenance inside of  a coal / Biomass fired boiler and come out of the preciptators as black  Midnight and watch friends in the industry die of cancer in thier 50′s you might agree!

  • Anonymous

    Is there an Oil field under it?

  • Anonymous

    Another get rich scheme. You can’t trust anyone anymore.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7ARBFNYJAE23QMOBALXD7FM4W4 gempaint

    WIND = 75% does not blow, 5% “parasitic” draw from grid, 10-30% loss in transmission.
    WIND requires a spinning reserve, devastates 10,000 year old eco systems.
    WIND is ruining 100s of peoples properties as we write.
    We have homes with-in sight of these things,  do you want to buy our homes?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7ARBFNYJAE23QMOBALXD7FM4W4 gempaint

    WIND = 75% does not blow, 5% “parasitic” draw from grid, 10-30% loss in transmission.
    WIND requires a spinning reserve, devastates 10,000 year old eco systems.
    WIND is ruining 100s of peoples properties as we write.
    We have homes with-in sight of these things,  do you want to buy our homes?

  • 525_44

    Happy for them but why do folks fall for these kind of ‘pitches’…
    Windmills are a waste of money.

  • Diogenes

    “…to identify potential investors, who in
    turn recommend other investors based in part on their shared religious
    beliefs.”
      
    Because if you fell for a big scam, you’ll surely fall for a small one.  

  • Anonymous

    Again, very similar to the quickly debunked “wind will get us off foreign oil” fallacy, we burn a very small amount of coal in Maine.  While I don’t have access at this moment to the exact numbers, from memory I want to say that we only derive 6% of our energy from coal in Maine.  I believe, again from memory, that of all the states that do burn coal for energy, Maine was the smallest user in the entire US. 

    Atthe same time, we also have one of the highest percentages of renewable energy in our energy portfolio of any state in the country.   I’m not against the theory of wind as another renewable energy source, but I am against it at it’s current technology level.  Why we would want to threaten our state’s largest industry, tourism (170,000 full time jobs and $10+ billion to our economy) for what is at this time a failed technology that produces very sporadic and small amounts of energy at extremely high costs, just so that we can provide additional energy to other states to our south is beyond me.  We already are a net exporter of energy with our peak demand load being only 50% of what we create here.  

    I’d suggest that they build these 43 story tall eyesores a lot closer to where the energy is needed in Massachusetts and CT.   Fill the Berkshires with turbines.  Ct. also has some very hilly country in mid state. 

    And let’s not forget the $ 8 billion plus in new transmission lines that will be required ot get the wind generated energy to southern New England.  As members of the New England grid, the ratepayers of Maine will be responisble for paying 8% of that total bill, even though we will not directly benefit from it.

    The Federal Dept. o fEnergy rates most of Maine as “poor to fair” for windpower potential.  Why then do these developers want to build them here?  It’s all about the Federal money grab.  First Win dactually said in their SEC S-1 filing last year as they were trying to go public (but none of the institutional buyers would pay half of what they wanted for their IPO) that they didn’t have to generate ANY electricity for the company to be profitable!    Are you starting to see the picture here of why many, many of usa oppose these projects in Maine?  It’s not just NIMBYism as the developers would like to have you believe. 

    All this is just the tip of the iceburg of why these projects don’t make sense in Maine.   

    For me the issue started off as a concern about the views and property depreciation that myself and everyone in our town would be subject to if a particular project came to fruition.  But after getting seriously conflicting views on grid scale wind power I decided to do a lot of research and reading on my own.  That quickly lead me to the conclusion that the only thing “green” about grid scale wind is the amount of it that the developers get from the many Federal, state, and local tax breaks and subsidies.  I’ve read extensively about what has transpired in Europe where this global scale scam started.  A couple of stats that come quickly to mind is that in extensive studies donw in Spain and one other country whose name escapes me at this moment, they found that the wind power projects cost well in excess of a million and a half dollars of subsidies for every job created in that industry.  They also concluded that for every job  created in the wind power industry, that they lost 2.2 – 2.7 jobs in the traditional sectors as manufacturers closed and moved their plants due to the extremely high cost of power. 

    And I understand what you said about the “dirtyness” of coal

  • SwiftyMorgain

       I will have to read up on this as I to may be subjected to these monstrosities depreciating some property that I own, or it may even be a potential site.

      I have worked in a Maine Utility that burned coal until it was converted to just biomass.  I have a Brotherlaw that works in a Large Coal fired plant in New york. He is currently in threat of loosing his job because the price of coal has been going through the roof because of demand from China!

      I also worked on several hydro electric dams, I believe them to be by far the most reliable green energy available.

    You don’t see hydro doing this!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSB1SdVHqQ

  • SwiftyMorgain

       I will have to read up on this as I to may be subjected to these monstrosities depreciating some property that I own, or it may even be a potential site.

      I have worked in a Maine Utility that burned coal until it was converted to just biomass.  I have a Brotherlaw that works in a Large Coal fired plant in New york. He is currently in threat of loosing his job because the price of coal has been going through the roof because of demand from China!

      I also worked on several hydro electric dams, I believe them to be by far the most reliable green energy available.

    You don’t see hydro doing this!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSB1SdVHqQ

  • Anonymous

    I fully agree with you regarding hydro power.  Hydro Quebec shoudl be anxious ot sell us all we need on a long term contract as we they have a huge excess of capacity.  Or of course we could produce our own with updates to current generating facilities.

  • Anonymous

    I fully agree with you regarding hydro power.  Hydro Quebec shoudl be anxious ot sell us all we need on a long term contract as we they have a huge excess of capacity.  Or of course we could produce our own with updates to current generating facilities.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure about whether I approve of view killing, giant wind turbine developments, but I have several friends that have at-home turbines and they save a huge amount of money on their electric bill.  At different times of the year, they actually do produce enough to sell back to the grid.  I have been considering the installation of my own.  What happened to the Thompsons is sad, but I wouldn’t let their experience rule out the real benefits of wind power for your own personal use.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure about whether I approve of view killing, giant wind turbine developments, but I have several friends that have at-home turbines and they save a huge amount of money on their electric bill.  At different times of the year, they actually do produce enough to sell back to the grid.  I have been considering the installation of my own.  What happened to the Thompsons is sad, but I wouldn’t let their experience rule out the real benefits of wind power for your own personal use.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure about whether I approve of view killing, giant wind turbine developments, but I have several friends that have at-home turbines and they save a huge amount of money on their electric bill.  At different times of the year, they actually do produce enough to sell back to the grid.  I have been considering the installation of my own.  What happened to the Thompsons is sad, but I wouldn’t let their experience rule out the real benefits of wind power for your own personal use.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure about whether I approve of view killing, giant wind turbine developments, but I have several friends that have at-home turbines and they save a huge amount of money on their electric bill.  At different times of the year, they actually do produce enough to sell back to the grid.  I have been considering the installation of my own.  What happened to the Thompsons is sad, but I wouldn’t let their experience rule out the real benefits of wind power for your own personal use.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not sure about whether I approve of view killing, giant wind turbine developments, but I have several friends that have at-home turbines and they save a huge amount of money on their electric bill.  At different times of the year, they actually do produce enough to sell back to the grid.  I have been considering the installation of my own.  What happened to the Thompsons is sad, but I wouldn’t let their experience rule out the real benefits of wind power for your own personal use.

  • Anonymous

    Be a very educated shopper.  I have never once seen any study that didn’t say that the home units were a waste of money.  Consider the total installed cost, then compare what you save vs. the actual life expectancy of the unit, plus repair costs.  And please, don’t fall for the scam of the manufacturer’s production capacity ratings – those ratings are based on the unit getting the perfect amount of wind 24/7/365.  For example, the large turbine installed at UMPI has only achieved 11.7% of it’s rated capacity over the first two years it’s been operational.  The actual production numbers are readily avialble on their website – when the turbine is operational – they’ve experienced a lot of lengthy breakdowns. Studies of grid scale turbines in NY State reflect that the grid scale turbines there (100s of them w/ different makes, models, and site locations reflect an average production of 22% of rated output.  As for the actual capacity of the grid scale turbines in Maine?  We don’t know  because they aren’t required to make public their actual production numbers even though they build these things with Federal and local tax dollars.  Buyer be ware!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kathy-Stuart/100000378618564 Kathy Stuart

    I don’t agree totally with your statement about home units not being efficient. In some cities and towns of coastal Europe almost every home and building has a wind generator on the roof. And from what I understand they work very well and the populous is generaly happy with them. Of course those are not the same type of wind generators seen here in the states, they are verticle turbine style instead of propeller style. They need much less wind to function.

    Hopefully the cost of home wind and solar installations will come down to a reasonable rate in the near future. I believe that is the best way to utilize this type of green energy. And we just have to understand that bigger is not always better (giant wind generators strung across mountain tops) and that there will be places that do not have the right conditions to utilize one or the other, or either type of this technology.

  • Anonymous

    If she pays less it is only because of government subsidies (i.e. someone else is forced to pay the true cost of the electrical power she uses).  Wind is the most expensive form of electrical generation.

  • Anonymous

    Try to put in more hydro here, and you can bet there’ll be someone saying “not in my back yard,” just as they did during Dickey-Lincoln.  Also, Northwoods loves the idea of sending Maine dollars to Canada for imported power.  I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a Canadian hydro and gas salesman, the way he champions Canadian power supplies.

  • Anonymous

    Geez Lifetime, just because you don’t agree with my “anti” stance on grid scale wind power doesn’ give you license to start making up and speculating pure BS stories.  I do not “champion Canadian power supplies”, I merely gave that as an option that was available to Maine.  Vermont recently signed a long term contract with Quebec Hydro for around 6 cents a kilowatt hour over 20 years.  What’s your bright idea?  Everything I’ve seen you post on here gushes about the benefits of grid scale wind power – which immediately brands you as a nutcase or one who has ties to that industry.  If you have better ideas than wind power let us know.  I still think you’re somehow related to FIW wind lobbyers from Vinal Haven. See, both of us can speculate wildy if that’s what you prefer to do. 

  • Anonymous

    “And let’s not forget the $ 8 billion plus in new transmission lines that will be required to get the wind generated energy to southern New England…the ratepayers of Maine will be responisble for paying 8% of that total bill, even though we will not directly benefit from it in any meaningful way.”

    For one thing, Mainers will benefit by having a reliable regional transmission system which has been suspect ever since the massive brownouts of the summer of 2003 showed that our region’s (and our nation’s) infrastructure is dangerously inadequate.  For another thing, billions of dollars spent in Maine is a massive shot in the arm for the state’s economy.  That money goes to workers who then spend it in Maine’s shops, restaurants, car dealerships, etc.

    Northwoods claims to have read extensively about Europe’s wind use, and he claims it has been nothing but a disaster.  Why then has a high tech and practical society like Germany committed itself to “setting an example for the rest of the world,” (to use Chancellor Merkel’s words) in terms of renewables, including wind.  Just today there are newspaper reports out of France and India identifying significant new investments in wind power because the population is committed to increasing the amount of renewable energy that is produced in those two countries in the interest of weaning off of nuclear and fossil fuels.  Northwood’s arguments indicate that he likes the global dependence on fossil fuels just fine, no matter how much damage this dependence does to the environment not only in terms of emissions, mountaintop eradication, oil spills, natural gas fracking, and wars to protect the oil supply.  The tragic loss of our service personnel alone in missions to protect middle eastern oil is enough to make experimenting with wind technology well worth the pittance that is being spent by the government to give wind a try.

  • Anonymous

    The UMPI wind turbine is as much an attempt to learn more about harnessing the wind as it is a finished product.  The UMPI campus is not the ideal place to set up a windmill, but even so, the turbine is producing around 700,000 KW hours of electricty annually, and saving the campus about $100,000 dollars in electricity costs per year in the process, while precluding the release of more than 500 tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, annually. 

    Furthermore, the empirical information being gathered from the turbine could lead to more advanced turbines that are more efficient at generating power.  The Saturn V rocket that took astronauts to the moon didn’t come straight off an assembly line somewhere…developers had to experiment with the tiny Mercury Redstone first, and then the Gemini Atlas rockets.  The same goes for the F-16… you needed the Wright Brothers’ motorized kites first, before you could get to the supersonic fighter jets of today.  Neither the F-16 or Apollo 11 would have occurred if naysayers like Pete had won the debate regarding aviation and space flight.

  • Anonymous

    The UMPI wind turbine is as much an attempt to learn more about harnessing the wind as it is a finished product.  The UMPI campus is not the ideal place to set up a windmill, but even so, the turbine is producing around 700,000 KW hours of electricty annually, and saving the campus about $100,000 dollars in electricity costs per year in the process, while precluding the release of more than 500 tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, annually. 

    Furthermore, the empirical information being gathered from the turbine could lead to more advanced turbines that are more efficient at generating power.  The Saturn V rocket that took astronauts to the moon didn’t come straight off an assembly line somewhere…developers had to experiment with the tiny Mercury Redstone first, and then the Gemini Atlas rockets.  The same goes for the F-16… you needed the Wright Brothers’ motorized kites first, before you could get to the supersonic fighter jets of today.  Neither the F-16 or Apollo 11 would have occurred if naysayers like Pete had won the debate regarding aviation and space flight.

  • Anonymous

    “Wind power is pure fantasy in any non-biased scientific study when it comes to looking at the cost to benefit ratio of these turbines, even with all the taxpayer money the developers are given.”

    Many distinguished University of Maine engineering professors dispute your claim that windpower is pure fantasy, and aim to lead the world in the development of new and improved wind technology.  I, for one, salute their bold intelligence and wish them well.

    Also, if you want to complain about a real scam, try complaining about the billions and billions of public subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives from the taxpayer… more than seven times the amount received by renewables in the most recent statistics from the EIA.  Why do we never hear you complain about that scam?  I guess some people who complain about subsidies have their own favorite scams to support.

  • Anonymous

    “Wind power is pure fantasy in any non-biased scientific study when it comes to looking at the cost to benefit ratio of these turbines, even with all the taxpayer money the developers are given.”

    Many distinguished University of Maine engineering professors dispute your claim that windpower is pure fantasy, and aim to lead the world in the development of new and improved wind technology.  I, for one, salute their bold intelligence and wish them well.

    Also, if you want to complain about a real scam, try complaining about the billions and billions of public subsidies that the fossil fuel industry receives from the taxpayer… more than seven times the amount received by renewables in the most recent statistics from the EIA.  Why do we never hear you complain about that scam?  I guess some people who complain about subsidies have their own favorite scams to support.

  • Anonymous

    No need to get upset, Northwoods.  I’m simply challenging your unverified assertions. 

    As for your support of Vermont’s long term contract with Hydro Quebec… the price per kilowatt hour that you quote is based on the price of fossil fuels.  So as the price of fossil fuels go up, so will the cost of Vermont’s imported Canadian electricity.  Few people believe that the price of fossil fuels won’t spiral into the stratosphere in the next 20 years, so where does that leave our Vermont neighbors, many who feel that that they got hoodwinked by the Canadians on that energy deal?

  • Anonymous

    FYI:  Germany and France are two European nations that are investing significant amounts of funding in wind technology to help wean their nations off of nuclear power.

  • Anonymous

    FYI:  Germany and France are two European nations that are investing significant amounts of funding in wind technology to help wean their nations off of nuclear power.

  • Anonymous

    FYI:  Germany and France are two European nations that are investing significant amounts of funding in wind technology to help wean their nations off of nuclear power.

  • Anonymous

    FYI:  Germany and France are two European nations that are investing significant amounts of funding in wind technology to help wean their nations off of nuclear power.

  • Anonymous

    FYI:  Germany and France are two European nations that are investing significant amounts of funding in wind technology to help wean their nations off of nuclear power.

  • Anonymous

    It’s true that most power plants don’t run near capacity.  However, it’s not because they can’t; it’s based on operational considerations such as fuel cost and demand.  If needed most could run at 80 or 90% on demand.   Land-based wind turbines generally achieve around 30% if they’re lucky – and that’s about as much capacity factor as you can get from them if everything’s going well and the stars are all aligned correctly.   They don’t do any better because they CANNOT do any better. 

  • Anonymous

    Please, wind turbines are not a new invention and they’re certainly not a Saturn rocket.  The UMPI turbine is a PR ploy to green up the University’s image and hopefully sell Mainers on wind power.  It’s more a lawn ornament than a useful and feasible power plant.

  • Anonymous

    Nice try there FIW, er, Lifetime Mainah.  You keep repeating the same ol’ crap over and over again.  Yes the fossil fuel industry does get many time the amount of subsidies in total dollars that renewables gets – that’s because they generate about a billion times more energy than renewables.  We’ve had this discussion before but you refuse to give up an argument that is absolutely meaningless.   Here’s the truth:

    Oil and gas subsidies =      .30 per MWH
    Wind                                = 23.37 per MWH

    Note – the next highest subsidy on a per MWH basis is nuclear at $1.57

    That is what inteligent people call an apples to apples comaprison.  Grow up and do some reading and learn some new information, you using the same ol’ crap month after month is not only boring and useless, it reflects poorly on your intelligence level.

  • Anonymous

    Nice try there FIW, er, Lifetime Mainah.  You keep repeating the same ol’ crap over and over again.  Yes the fossil fuel industry does get many time the amount of subsidies in total dollars that renewables gets – that’s because they generate about a billion times more energy than renewables.  We’ve had this discussion before but you refuse to give up an argument that is absolutely meaningless.   Here’s the truth:

    Oil and gas subsidies =      .30 per MWH
    Wind                                = 23.37 per MWH

    Note – the next highest subsidy on a per MWH basis is nuclear at $1.57

    That is what inteligent people call an apples to apples comaprison.  Grow up and do some reading and learn some new information, you using the same ol’ crap month after month is not only boring and useless, it reflects poorly on your intelligence level.

  • Anonymous

    Nice try there FIW, er, Lifetime Mainah.  You keep repeating the same ol’ crap over and over again.  Yes the fossil fuel industry does get many time the amount of subsidies in total dollars that renewables gets – that’s because they generate about a billion times more energy than renewables.  We’ve had this discussion before but you refuse to give up an argument that is absolutely meaningless.   Here’s the truth:

    Oil and gas subsidies =      .30 per MWH
    Wind                                = 23.37 per MWH

    Note – the next highest subsidy on a per MWH basis is nuclear at $1.57

    That is what inteligent people call an apples to apples comaprison.  Grow up and do some reading and learn some new information, you using the same ol’ crap month after month is not only boring and useless, it reflects poorly on your intelligence level.

  • Anonymous

    Nice try there FIW, er, Lifetime Mainah.  You keep repeating the same ol’ crap over and over again.  Yes the fossil fuel industry does get many time the amount of subsidies in total dollars that renewables gets – that’s because they generate about a billion times more energy than renewables.  We’ve had this discussion before but you refuse to give up an argument that is absolutely meaningless.   Here’s the truth:

    Oil and gas subsidies =      .30 per MWH
    Wind                                = 23.37 per MWH

    Note – the next highest subsidy on a per MWH basis is nuclear at $1.57

    That is what inteligent people call an apples to apples comaprison.  Grow up and do some reading and learn some new information, you using the same ol’ crap month after month is not only boring and useless, it reflects poorly on your intelligence level.

  • Anonymous

    Nice try there FIW, er, Lifetime Mainah.  You keep repeating the same ol’ crap over and over again.  Yes the fossil fuel industry does get many time the amount of subsidies in total dollars that renewables gets – that’s because they generate about a billion times more energy than renewables.  We’ve had this discussion before but you refuse to give up an argument that is absolutely meaningless.   Here’s the truth:

    Oil and gas subsidies =      .30 per MWH
    Wind                                = 23.37 per MWH

    Note – the next highest subsidy on a per MWH basis is nuclear at $1.57

    That is what inteligent people call an apples to apples comaprison.  Grow up and do some reading and learn some new information, you using the same ol’ crap month after month is not only boring and useless, it reflects poorly on your intelligence level.

  • Anonymous

    Nice try there FIW, er, Lifetime Mainah.  You keep repeating the same ol’ crap over and over again.  Yes the fossil fuel industry does get many time the amount of subsidies in total dollars that renewables gets – that’s because they generate about a billion times more energy than renewables.  We’ve had this discussion before but you refuse to give up an argument that is absolutely meaningless.   Here’s the truth:

    Oil and gas subsidies =      .30 per MWH
    Wind                                = 23.37 per MWH

    Note – the next highest subsidy on a per MWH basis is nuclear at $1.57

    That is what inteligent people call an apples to apples comaprison.  Grow up and do some reading and learn some new information, you using the same ol’ crap month after month is not only boring and useless, it reflects poorly on your intelligence level.

  • Anonymous

    Nice try there FIW, er, Lifetime Mainah.  You keep repeating the same ol’ crap over and over again.  Yes the fossil fuel industry does get many time the amount of subsidies in total dollars that renewables gets – that’s because they generate about a billion times more energy than renewables.  We’ve had this discussion before but you refuse to give up an argument that is absolutely meaningless.   Here’s the truth:

    Oil and gas subsidies =      .30 per MWH
    Wind                                = 23.37 per MWH

    Note – the next highest subsidy on a per MWH basis is nuclear at $1.57

    That is what inteligent people call an apples to apples comaprison.  Grow up and do some reading and learn some new information, you using the same ol’ crap month after month is not only boring and useless, it reflects poorly on your intelligence level.

  • Anonymous

    I do get upset with a schill for the wind power lobby repeatedly gives the public the same old bad and irrelevent information over and over again.  You’ve easily identified yourself as the same group of Vinal Haven residents that used to go by the username FIW.  You can change your username but you never change your arguments which are meaningless and have been debunked numerous times. 

    So just how is the tourism business in Vinal Haven this year?  I’ll bet it’s down significantly since you errected those three grid scale turbines on the island.  That wouldn’t have been all that bad, but when you refused to have any sympathy for your neighbors who were significantly affected by the noise issues, you really showed your true colors.  With neighbors like you, who needs enemies!

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    You’re more full of it than a Christmas goose there FIW/Lifetime Mainah.  You need to do a google search and read the whole story about what Germany is doing, not just the soundbite PR campaign bits that the wind lobby has fed you.  Doing a little research on your own would be like feeding your brain an entire meal, not just the small snack that you get when all you listen to is the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaign.  

  • Anonymous

    She’s probably in a situation like the year round residents of Carroll Plantation who set up their conservation mitigation money (that will be recieved if the Bowers project is built) in an energy credits fund, whereby all the year round residents will be reimbursed for all of their power bills plus get a share of whatever money is left over.  Instead of dividing that money among all property owners, the year round residents (who are the only ones allowed to vote by their charter) voted to exclude everyone who is not a year round resident from getting any mitigation funds from this project.  Now that’s the kind of town you’d really be proud to live in!  

  • Anonymous

    Excellent description of UMPI’s turbine’s value.  It’s the pink flamingo of the 21st century.

    Don;t pay any serious attention to Lifetime Mainah, as this is the same wind lobbying group that used to go by FIW.  It’s a group of Vinal Haven residents who take turns using that usename to continue to spread the wind lobby’s myths and outright lies.  They can change their username, but their use of the same old tired wind industry soundbites easily identifies them.  They’ve repeatedly said that they don’t give a damn about their neighbors who’s lives have been all but ruined by the noise of the turbines that were errected too close to their homes on Vinal Haven.  Nice neighbors!

  • Anonymous

    You’re welcome to read the news yourself if you really want to see the truth, Woody.  Here’s a portion of the article from yesterday’s Bloomberg report (The report is also in the Wall Street Journal):

    EDF Energies Nouvelles SA (EEN), Dong Energy A/S and Alstom SA (ALO) agreed to join in the 10 billion-euro ($14 billion) French offshore wind plan aimed at boosting the nation’s clean energy sources and domestic industry.

    The companies said in statement they’d pool expertise and investment alongside Nass&Wind Offshore, the French developer of wind at sea, Poweo ENR, a unit of renewables company Poweo and Wpd Offshore, an arm of the German wind company. They were responding to bidding France opened today.

    France gets 38 percent of its electricity from atomic plants, the most in the world, and is seeking to boost renewable energy such as solar and wind. The country, which has no offshore wind power now, proposes to install 6,000 megawatts, or about 1,200 wind turbines, by 2020.

  • Anonymous

    You’re welcome to read the news yourself if you really want to see the truth, Woody.  Here’s a portion of the article from yesterday’s Bloomberg report (The report is also in the Wall Street Journal):

    EDF Energies Nouvelles SA (EEN), Dong Energy A/S and Alstom SA (ALO) agreed to join in the 10 billion-euro ($14 billion) French offshore wind plan aimed at boosting the nation’s clean energy sources and domestic industry.

    The companies said in statement they’d pool expertise and investment alongside Nass&Wind Offshore, the French developer of wind at sea, Poweo ENR, a unit of renewables company Poweo and Wpd Offshore, an arm of the German wind company. They were responding to bidding France opened today.

    France gets 38 percent of its electricity from atomic plants, the most in the world, and is seeking to boost renewable energy such as solar and wind. The country, which has no offshore wind power now, proposes to install 6,000 megawatts, or about 1,200 wind turbines, by 2020.

  • Anonymous

    You’re welcome to read the news yourself if you really want to see the truth, Woody.  Here’s a portion of the article from yesterday’s Bloomberg report (The report is also in the Wall Street Journal):

    EDF Energies Nouvelles SA (EEN), Dong Energy A/S and Alstom SA (ALO) agreed to join in the 10 billion-euro ($14 billion) French offshore wind plan aimed at boosting the nation’s clean energy sources and domestic industry.

    The companies said in statement they’d pool expertise and investment alongside Nass&Wind Offshore, the French developer of wind at sea, Poweo ENR, a unit of renewables company Poweo and Wpd Offshore, an arm of the German wind company. They were responding to bidding France opened today.

    France gets 38 percent of its electricity from atomic plants, the most in the world, and is seeking to boost renewable energy such as solar and wind. The country, which has no offshore wind power now, proposes to install 6,000 megawatts, or about 1,200 wind turbines, by 2020.

  • Anonymous

    You’re welcome to read the news yourself if you really want to see the truth, Woody.  Here’s a portion of the article from yesterday’s Bloomberg report (The report is also in the Wall Street Journal):

    EDF Energies Nouvelles SA (EEN), Dong Energy A/S and Alstom SA (ALO) agreed to join in the 10 billion-euro ($14 billion) French offshore wind plan aimed at boosting the nation’s clean energy sources and domestic industry.

    The companies said in statement they’d pool expertise and investment alongside Nass&Wind Offshore, the French developer of wind at sea, Poweo ENR, a unit of renewables company Poweo and Wpd Offshore, an arm of the German wind company. They were responding to bidding France opened today.

    France gets 38 percent of its electricity from atomic plants, the most in the world, and is seeking to boost renewable energy such as solar and wind. The country, which has no offshore wind power now, proposes to install 6,000 megawatts, or about 1,200 wind turbines, by 2020.

  • Anonymous

    You’re welcome to read the news yourself if you really want to see the truth, Woody.  Here’s a portion of the article from yesterday’s Bloomberg report (The report is also in the Wall Street Journal):

    EDF Energies Nouvelles SA (EEN), Dong Energy A/S and Alstom SA (ALO) agreed to join in the 10 billion-euro ($14 billion) French offshore wind plan aimed at boosting the nation’s clean energy sources and domestic industry.

    The companies said in statement they’d pool expertise and investment alongside Nass&Wind Offshore, the French developer of wind at sea, Poweo ENR, a unit of renewables company Poweo and Wpd Offshore, an arm of the German wind company. They were responding to bidding France opened today.

    France gets 38 percent of its electricity from atomic plants, the most in the world, and is seeking to boost renewable energy such as solar and wind. The country, which has no offshore wind power now, proposes to install 6,000 megawatts, or about 1,200 wind turbines, by 2020.

  • Anonymous

    In actuality, I have never spoken on any of these blogs other than to respond to the handful of naysayers who never fail to add their same tired old arguments against wind power. 

    Also, I do not live on Vinalhaven (although I am aware of the proper spelling of the island… for future reference, the island is spelled “V-I-N-A-L-H-A-V-E-N.”)  It’s interesting how some anti-wind folks are able to talk themselves into thinking that fallacies are truths, simply by repeating the fallacy enough times.  But just to set the record straight:  I am not from Vinalhaven.  I am a landlubber, like you are Northwoods.  However, I do not tell the islanders how to live from afar, as you do.  Nonetheless, setting any FIW paranoia aside, I should point out that innumerable reports indicate that about 98-percent of the citizens on the islands are extremely happy with their windmills, no matter how many times you repeat your false claims that the wind farm has been a disaster.  Tourism down?  Where did you come up with that “fact?”… You are only showing your lack of credibility with such statements.

  • Anonymous

    My dispute with you on this issue revolves around the apparent hypocrisy of your loud complaints against subsidies for wind power, which in fact amount to a small percentage of the subsidies that go to the fossil fuel industry, massive corporations that are currently raking in record profits this year.  Why don’t you rail against fossil fuel subsidies for an industry that has been long-established, possesses all of the entrenched advantages that come from political and economic power, and should be able to stand on its own?  You aren’t against subsidies.  You just don’t like wind.

    Lastly, your per MWH figures don’t factor in astronomical auxillary costs of fossil fuels, such as the $2 billion per week that American taxpayers expend on keeping an army in the middle east to protect the oil supply, not to mention the immense monetary costs of cleaning up major oil spills.

  • Anonymous

    You make my point for me, Armichka.  Windmills aren’t Saturn rockets, but Americans built Saturn rockets to put people on the moon.  A civilization capable of creating that kind of space age technology is certainly capable of harnessing wind for power, if we have the will to do so.  University of Maine Engineering scientists are working on that very goal as we speak.  I say:  Give them a chance. 

    It was easy to scoff when those bicycle shop mechanics, the Wright Brothers, started messing around with their silly motor kites.  But look what came of their perseverance. 

  • Anonymous

    You make my point for me, Armichka.  Windmills aren’t Saturn rockets, but Americans built Saturn rockets to put people on the moon.  A civilization capable of creating that kind of space age technology is certainly capable of harnessing wind for power, if we have the will to do so.  University of Maine Engineering scientists are working on that very goal as we speak.  I say:  Give them a chance. 

    It was easy to scoff when those bicycle shop mechanics, the Wright Brothers, started messing around with their silly motor kites.  But look what came of their perseverance. 

  • Anonymous

    You make my point for me, Armichka.  Windmills aren’t Saturn rockets, but Americans built Saturn rockets to put people on the moon.  A civilization capable of creating that kind of space age technology is certainly capable of harnessing wind for power, if we have the will to do so.  University of Maine Engineering scientists are working on that very goal as we speak.  I say:  Give them a chance. 

    It was easy to scoff when those bicycle shop mechanics, the Wright Brothers, started messing around with their silly motor kites.  But look what came of their perseverance. 

  • Anonymous

    You make my point for me, Armichka.  Windmills aren’t Saturn rockets, but Americans built Saturn rockets to put people on the moon.  A civilization capable of creating that kind of space age technology is certainly capable of harnessing wind for power, if we have the will to do so.  University of Maine Engineering scientists are working on that very goal as we speak.  I say:  Give them a chance. 

    It was easy to scoff when those bicycle shop mechanics, the Wright Brothers, started messing around with their silly motor kites.  But look what came of their perseverance. 

  • Anonymous

    You make my point for me, Armichka.  Windmills aren’t Saturn rockets, but Americans built Saturn rockets to put people on the moon.  A civilization capable of creating that kind of space age technology is certainly capable of harnessing wind for power, if we have the will to do so.  University of Maine Engineering scientists are working on that very goal as we speak.  I say:  Give them a chance. 

    It was easy to scoff when those bicycle shop mechanics, the Wright Brothers, started messing around with their silly motor kites.  But look what came of their perseverance. 

  • Anonymous

    You make my point for me, Armichka.  Windmills aren’t Saturn rockets, but Americans built Saturn rockets to put people on the moon.  A civilization capable of creating that kind of space age technology is certainly capable of harnessing wind for power, if we have the will to do so.  University of Maine Engineering scientists are working on that very goal as we speak.  I say:  Give them a chance. 

    It was easy to scoff when those bicycle shop mechanics, the Wright Brothers, started messing around with their silly motor kites.  But look what came of their perseverance. 

  • Anonymous

    You make my point for me, Armichka.  Windmills aren’t Saturn rockets, but Americans built Saturn rockets to put people on the moon.  A civilization capable of creating that kind of space age technology is certainly capable of harnessing wind for power, if we have the will to do so.  University of Maine Engineering scientists are working on that very goal as we speak.  I say:  Give them a chance. 

    It was easy to scoff when those bicycle shop mechanics, the Wright Brothers, started messing around with their silly motor kites.  But look what came of their perseverance. 

  • Anonymous

    Once again, I will mention that I am not a member of the FIW community, though I wish I was so that I could add my name to the 98% of the population who are pleased with the windmills there.  Alas, no matter how much I might wish it, I am not from Vinalhaven.

    While we’re on the topic, though, I will ask Northwoods:  Why do you care where wind supporters are from or whether they belong to a group or not?  Who cares?  You belong to a core group of anti-wind people who repeat the same anti-industry soundbites which easily identify your affiliation.  So what?  For the benefit of the debate, you really should stick to your factual arguments and leave off with the personal attacks (though I believe it is advantageous to the pro-wind side to read your personal attacks when your “factual” arguments begin to fall apart under cross-examination).

  • Anonymous

    Once again, I will mention that I am not a member of the FIW community, though I wish I was so that I could add my name to the 98% of the population who are pleased with the windmills there.  Alas, no matter how much I might wish it, I am not from Vinalhaven.

    While we’re on the topic, though, I will ask Northwoods:  Why do you care where wind supporters are from or whether they belong to a group or not?  Who cares?  You belong to a core group of anti-wind people who repeat the same anti-industry soundbites which easily identify your affiliation.  So what?  For the benefit of the debate, you really should stick to your factual arguments and leave off with the personal attacks (though I believe it is advantageous to the pro-wind side to read your personal attacks when your “factual” arguments begin to fall apart under cross-examination).

  • Anonymous

    Once again, I will mention that I am not a member of the FIW community, though I wish I was so that I could add my name to the 98% of the population who are pleased with the windmills there.  Alas, no matter how much I might wish it, I am not from Vinalhaven.

    While we’re on the topic, though, I will ask Northwoods:  Why do you care where wind supporters are from or whether they belong to a group or not?  Who cares?  You belong to a core group of anti-wind people who repeat the same anti-industry soundbites which easily identify your affiliation.  So what?  For the benefit of the debate, you really should stick to your factual arguments and leave off with the personal attacks (though I believe it is advantageous to the pro-wind side to read your personal attacks when your “factual” arguments begin to fall apart under cross-examination).

  • Anonymous

    Once again, I will mention that I am not a member of the FIW community, though I wish I was so that I could add my name to the 98% of the population who are pleased with the windmills there.  Alas, no matter how much I might wish it, I am not from Vinalhaven.

    While we’re on the topic, though, I will ask Northwoods:  Why do you care where wind supporters are from or whether they belong to a group or not?  Who cares?  You belong to a core group of anti-wind people who repeat the same anti-industry soundbites which easily identify your affiliation.  So what?  For the benefit of the debate, you really should stick to your factual arguments and leave off with the personal attacks (though I believe it is advantageous to the pro-wind side to read your personal attacks when your “factual” arguments begin to fall apart under cross-examination).

  • Anonymous

    “I have never once seen any study that didn’t say that the home units were a waste of money.”

    This statement means nothing.  Readers have already been exposed to the selective nature of your “research.”  Anything that might speak well of wind power immediately gets relegated to the “delete” folder in your brand of research.

  • Anonymous

    “The idea that you can create enough electricity to make these wind turbines pay off before they become rusty hulks that everyone walks away from is pure fantasy.”

    There are numerous distinguished engineering scientists at the University of Maine who disagree with you on this point, Northwoods.  And they are currently working on new developments in wind harnessing technology.  I sense that the vast majority of the state’s citizens are willing to give those Maine scientists a chance.

  • Anonymous

    “The idea that you can create enough electricity to make these wind turbines pay off before they become rusty hulks that everyone walks away from is pure fantasy.”

    There are numerous distinguished engineering scientists at the University of Maine who disagree with you on this point, Northwoods.  And they are currently working on new developments in wind harnessing technology.  I sense that the vast majority of the state’s citizens are willing to give those Maine scientists a chance.

  • Anonymous

    “The idea that you can create enough electricity to make these wind turbines pay off before they become rusty hulks that everyone walks away from is pure fantasy.”

    There are numerous distinguished engineering scientists at the University of Maine who disagree with you on this point, Northwoods.  And they are currently working on new developments in wind harnessing technology.  I sense that the vast majority of the state’s citizens are willing to give those Maine scientists a chance.

  • Anonymous

    Yup, you’re still living off of  win dlobby PR campaign soundbites.  Why don’t you dig further into Germany’s new position and why they’ve suddenly taken that position. 

    Siemens, one of Germany’s largest manufacturers and employers is struggling with their wind turbine division due to cut backs worldwide on turbine spending as more and more countries start to understand the real vs. perceived benefits of wind power.  So Germany is trying to promote a newfound love of wind turbines in order to help save this Siemens business unit and the employment that comes with it.

    Funny how you never dig deep enough to get ALL the facts, rather than just the ones you get from the wind lobby.  Take a nap.

  • Anonymous

    And your credibility is strengthened considerably because you corrected a spelling mistake in my comment!  And just where did you get the “fact” that 98% of Vinalhaven residents are “happy with their windmills”.  Pure specualtion and fantasy on your part.

  • Anonymous

    No, your dispute with me is based on the fact that I’m against grid scale wind power in inland Maine where it makes absolutey no sense.  I have no clue where you got the impression that I support ANY Federal energy subsidies?  Could you point out where I said anything at all like that?  What I did, and have done on past occassions is to point out that you always try to make an apples to oranges comparison  of those subsidies based on total subsidy dollars instead of using the per MWH subsidy value.  If you were comparing the amount of welfare entitlement spending between California and Maine would you use the total dollars spent or would you base it on a per capita calculation?

    The real axe you’re always trying to grind evolves around our military being involved in the actions in the Middle East, where you insist that the only reason we’re there is to protect the oil supplies there.  Funny, I wasn’t aware that Pakistan or Afghanistan were large oil producing nations?    

  • Anonymous

    Is that the best you can do FIW/Lifetime_ Mainah?  You take my accusations that all you have for a basis for your pro-wind argument are the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaigns and now after I’ve said that numerous times you turn around and tell me that all I have is anti-wind power soundbites.  That’s pathetic. 

    And not that it’s any of your business, but I will say that the reason I rebuke what FIW has to say is that they are a group of very selfish residents who freely admit that they don’t care about their neighbors who have been permanently driven form their homes  on Vinahaven.  I’ve actually listened to the affected islanders speak in person and found their testimony before a state legislative committee to be quite credible.  Have you made an effort to hear what they have to say?  No, I suspect not.  I also abhor any group of neighbors who think that the answer to the turbine problems on Vinalhaven is to tell the group of people who have been most seriously affected that they should move.  I can quote exactly from one of my BDN comments conversations with FIW if you’d like.  Their attitude and their solution was a very simple – “they can pick up and move elsewhere if they don’t like it”.  No there’s the kind of neighbors that we all hope for and expect to find in Maine, right Mr. Mainah? 

    Sorry if I disappoint you with my personal distain for those who force something upon their neighbors that ruins their life’s and then can only say, move if you don’t like it!  I don’t truely know if you’re a Vinalhaven resident or not, but if you aren’t, how can you defend the actions of FIW?  Maybe you should move there, I know of at least a couple of houses that can be bought for way under market value and have a terrifc view of the wind turbines you espouse so much.  Let’s see how you do when you go without sleep for 20-30 nights.   

  • Anonymous

    Is that the best you can do FIW/Lifetime_ Mainah?  You take my accusations that all you have for a basis for your pro-wind argument are the wind lobby’s sound bite PR campaigns and now after I’ve said that numerous times you turn around and tell me that all I have is anti-wind power soundbites.  That’s pathetic. 

    And not that it’s any of your business, but I will say that the reason I rebuke what FIW has to say is that they are a group of very selfish residents who freely admit that they don’t care about their neighbors who have been permanently driven form their homes  on Vinahaven.  I’ve actually listened to the affected islanders speak in person and found their testimony before a state legislative committee to be quite credible.  Have you made an effort to hear what they have to say?  No, I suspect not.  I also abhor any group of neighbors who think that the answer to the turbine problems on Vinalhaven is to tell the group of people who have been most seriously affected that they should move.  I can quote exactly from one of my BDN comments conversations with FIW if you’d like.  Their attitude and their solution was a very simple – “they can pick up and move elsewhere if they don’t like it”.  No there’s the kind of neighbors that we all hope for and expect to find in Maine, right Mr. Mainah? 

    Sorry if I disappoint you with my personal distain for those who force something upon their neighbors that ruins their life’s and then can only say, move if you don’t like it!  I don’t truely know if you’re a Vinalhaven resident or not, but if you aren’t, how can you defend the actions of FIW?  Maybe you should move there, I know of at least a couple of houses that can be bought for way under market value and have a terrifc view of the wind turbines you espouse so much.  Let’s see how you do when you go without sleep for 20-30 nights.   

  • Anonymous

    Again, Mr. Mainah, show me any peer reviewed studies of the cost to benefit ratio of any of the smaller “home” sized wind turbines where they conclude that they’re financially viable and will break even before they fall apart and have to be dismantled. I’d be more than happy to review the material.  But fo revery one you dig up, I can easily find 3 others that totally debunk the value of these units. 

    I’m getting  bored with your countless misrepresentations and speculations there Mainah.  Perhaps you should take a nap and your afternoon meds now.  I’ve tried to have an intelligent conversation with you on here at least twice over the last 60 days, but you continue to fall back on arguments that have been disproved ove rthe last several years.  And your linkage of wind power to the US military efforts overseas is assinine at best. 

  • Anonymous

    Again, Mr. Mainah, show me any peer reviewed studies of the cost to benefit ratio of any of the smaller “home” sized wind turbines where they conclude that they’re financially viable and will break even before they fall apart and have to be dismantled. I’d be more than happy to review the material.  But fo revery one you dig up, I can easily find 3 others that totally debunk the value of these units. 

    I’m getting  bored with your countless misrepresentations and speculations there Mainah.  Perhaps you should take a nap and your afternoon meds now.  I’ve tried to have an intelligent conversation with you on here at least twice over the last 60 days, but you continue to fall back on arguments that have been disproved ove rthe last several years.  And your linkage of wind power to the US military efforts overseas is assinine at best. 

  • Anonymous

    What I showed you about Europe’s continued interest in the viability of wind power as a useful renewable energy source does not come from the “wind lobby.”  It comes from Bloomberg News and from The Wall Street Journal, two of the most reputable business periodicals in the world.  I give you direct quotes from reputable journalists — you give me nameless musings from somewhere on the internet.  Pardon me if I don’t find your information credible.

  • Anonymous

    What I showed you about Europe’s continued interest in the viability of wind power as a useful renewable energy source does not come from the “wind lobby.”  It comes from Bloomberg News and from The Wall Street Journal, two of the most reputable business periodicals in the world.  I give you direct quotes from reputable journalists — you give me nameless musings from somewhere on the internet.  Pardon me if I don’t find your information credible.

  • Anonymous

    What I showed you about Europe’s continued interest in the viability of wind power as a useful renewable energy source does not come from the “wind lobby.”  It comes from Bloomberg News and from The Wall Street Journal, two of the most reputable business periodicals in the world.  I give you direct quotes from reputable journalists — you give me nameless musings from somewhere on the internet.  Pardon me if I don’t find your information credible.

  • Anonymous

    What I showed you about Europe’s continued interest in the viability of wind power as a useful renewable energy source does not come from the “wind lobby.”  It comes from Bloomberg News and from The Wall Street Journal, two of the most reputable business periodicals in the world.  I give you direct quotes from reputable journalists — you give me nameless musings from somewhere on the internet.  Pardon me if I don’t find your information credible.

  • Anonymous

    What I showed you about Europe’s continued interest in the viability of wind power as a useful renewable energy source does not come from the “wind lobby.”  It comes from Bloomberg News and from The Wall Street Journal, two of the most reputable business periodicals in the world.  I give you direct quotes from reputable journalists — you give me nameless musings from somewhere on the internet.  Pardon me if I don’t find your information credible.

  • Anonymous

    What I showed you about Europe’s continued interest in the viability of wind power as a useful renewable energy source does not come from the “wind lobby.”  It comes from Bloomberg News and from The Wall Street Journal, two of the most reputable business periodicals in the world.  I give you direct quotes from reputable journalists — you give me nameless musings from somewhere on the internet.  Pardon me if I don’t find your information credible.

  • Anonymous

    What I showed you about Europe’s continued interest in the viability of wind power as a useful renewable energy source does not come from the “wind lobby.”  It comes from Bloomberg News and from The Wall Street Journal, two of the most reputable business periodicals in the world.  I give you direct quotes from reputable journalists — you give me nameless musings from somewhere on the internet.  Pardon me if I don’t find your information credible.

  • Anonymous

    What I showed you about Europe’s continued interest in the viability of wind power as a useful renewable energy source does not come from the “wind lobby.”  It comes from Bloomberg News and from The Wall Street Journal, two of the most reputable business periodicals in the world.  I give you direct quotes from reputable journalists — you give me nameless musings from somewhere on the internet.  Pardon me if I don’t find your information credible.

  • Anonymous

    What I showed you about Europe’s continued interest in the viability of wind power as a useful renewable energy source does not come from the “wind lobby.”  It comes from Bloomberg News and from The Wall Street Journal, two of the most reputable business periodicals in the world.  I give you direct quotes from reputable journalists — you give me nameless musings from somewhere on the internet.  Pardon me if I don’t find your information credible.

  • Anonymous

    What I showed you about Europe’s continued interest in the viability of wind power as a useful renewable energy source does not come from the “wind lobby.”  It comes from Bloomberg News and from The Wall Street Journal, two of the most reputable business periodicals in the world.  I give you direct quotes from reputable journalists — you give me nameless musings from somewhere on the internet.  Pardon me if I don’t find your information credible.

  • Anonymous

    What I showed you about Europe’s continued interest in the viability of wind power as a useful renewable energy source does not come from the “wind lobby.”  It comes from Bloomberg News and from The Wall Street Journal, two of the most reputable business periodicals in the world.  I give you direct quotes from reputable journalists — you give me nameless musings from somewhere on the internet.  Pardon me if I don’t find your information credible.

  • Anonymous

    You speak as if you know exactly what is going on in the communities on the islands, and yet, you don’t even know how to spell the names of the communities.   To me, that only goes to show how little credibility your claims have when you speak of the Fox Islands.

  • Anonymous

    You speak as if you know exactly what is going on in the communities on the islands, and yet, you don’t even know how to spell the names of the communities.   To me, that only goes to show how little credibility your claims have when you speak of the Fox Islands.

  • Anonymous

    You speak as if you know exactly what is going on in the communities on the islands, and yet, you don’t even know how to spell the names of the communities.   To me, that only goes to show how little credibility your claims have when you speak of the Fox Islands.

  • Anonymous

    You speak as if you know exactly what is going on in the communities on the islands, and yet, you don’t even know how to spell the names of the communities.   To me, that only goes to show how little credibility your claims have when you speak of the Fox Islands.

  • Anonymous

    You speak as if you know exactly what is going on in the communities on the islands, and yet, you don’t even know how to spell the names of the communities.   To me, that only goes to show how little credibility your claims have when you speak of the Fox Islands.

  • Anonymous

    You speak as if you know exactly what is going on in the communities on the islands, and yet, you don’t even know how to spell the names of the communities.   To me, that only goes to show how little credibility your claims have when you speak of the Fox Islands.

  • Anonymous

    You speak as if you know exactly what is going on in the communities on the islands, and yet, you don’t even know how to spell the names of the communities.   To me, that only goes to show how little credibility your claims have when you speak of the Fox Islands.

  • Anonymous

    You speak as if you know exactly what is going on in the communities on the islands, and yet, you don’t even know how to spell the names of the communities.   To me, that only goes to show how little credibility your claims have when you speak of the Fox Islands.

  • Anonymous

    You speak as if you know exactly what is going on in the communities on the islands, and yet, you don’t even know how to spell the names of the communities.   To me, that only goes to show how little credibility your claims have when you speak of the Fox Islands.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not the one who said that our military has gone into Iraq to protect the oil supplies.  President Bush said it on August 31, 2005, according to the Associated Press:

    “CORONADO, Calif. — President Bush answered growing antiwar protests yesterday with a fresh reason for US troops to continue fighting in Iraq: protection of the country’s vast oil fields, which he said would otherwise fall under the control of terrorist extremists.”

    **************

    I wasn’t even including the costs of Afghanistan and Pakistan in my argument, Woody.

    As of February 2010, the Congressional Budget Office calculated the cost of the Iraq War to be more than $700 billion.  Therefore, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent by the United States taxpayer to protect the middle eastern oil supply.  Add that cost to your taxpayer subsidy figures, and see if you are still willing to defend the low cost of fossil fuel subsidies, as you have done for months and months now with your silly MWH chart.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not the one who said that our military has gone into Iraq to protect the oil supplies.  President Bush said it on August 31, 2005, according to the Associated Press:

    “CORONADO, Calif. — President Bush answered growing antiwar protests yesterday with a fresh reason for US troops to continue fighting in Iraq: protection of the country’s vast oil fields, which he said would otherwise fall under the control of terrorist extremists.”

    **************

    I wasn’t even including the costs of Afghanistan and Pakistan in my argument, Woody.

    As of February 2010, the Congressional Budget Office calculated the cost of the Iraq War to be more than $700 billion.  Therefore, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent by the United States taxpayer to protect the middle eastern oil supply.  Add that cost to your taxpayer subsidy figures, and see if you are still willing to defend the low cost of fossil fuel subsidies, as you have done for months and months now with your silly MWH chart.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not the one who said that our military has gone into Iraq to protect the oil supplies.  President Bush said it on August 31, 2005, according to the Associated Press:

    “CORONADO, Calif. — President Bush answered growing antiwar protests yesterday with a fresh reason for US troops to continue fighting in Iraq: protection of the country’s vast oil fields, which he said would otherwise fall under the control of terrorist extremists.”

    **************

    I wasn’t even including the costs of Afghanistan and Pakistan in my argument, Woody.

    As of February 2010, the Congressional Budget Office calculated the cost of the Iraq War to be more than $700 billion.  Therefore, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent by the United States taxpayer to protect the middle eastern oil supply.  Add that cost to your taxpayer subsidy figures, and see if you are still willing to defend the low cost of fossil fuel subsidies, as you have done for months and months now with your silly MWH chart.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not the one who said that our military has gone into Iraq to protect the oil supplies.  President Bush said it on August 31, 2005, according to the Associated Press:

    “CORONADO, Calif. — President Bush answered growing antiwar protests yesterday with a fresh reason for US troops to continue fighting in Iraq: protection of the country’s vast oil fields, which he said would otherwise fall under the control of terrorist extremists.”

    **************

    I wasn’t even including the costs of Afghanistan and Pakistan in my argument, Woody.

    As of February 2010, the Congressional Budget Office calculated the cost of the Iraq War to be more than $700 billion.  Therefore, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent by the United States taxpayer to protect the middle eastern oil supply.  Add that cost to your taxpayer subsidy figures, and see if you are still willing to defend the low cost of fossil fuel subsidies, as you have done for months and months now with your silly MWH chart.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not the one who said that our military has gone into Iraq to protect the oil supplies.  President Bush said it on August 31, 2005, according to the Associated Press:

    “CORONADO, Calif. — President Bush answered growing antiwar protests yesterday with a fresh reason for US troops to continue fighting in Iraq: protection of the country’s vast oil fields, which he said would otherwise fall under the control of terrorist extremists.”

    **************

    I wasn’t even including the costs of Afghanistan and Pakistan in my argument, Woody.

    As of February 2010, the Congressional Budget Office calculated the cost of the Iraq War to be more than $700 billion.  Therefore, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent by the United States taxpayer to protect the middle eastern oil supply.  Add that cost to your taxpayer subsidy figures, and see if you are still willing to defend the low cost of fossil fuel subsidies, as you have done for months and months now with your silly MWH chart.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not the one who said that our military has gone into Iraq to protect the oil supplies.  President Bush said it on August 31, 2005, according to the Associated Press:

    “CORONADO, Calif. — President Bush answered growing antiwar protests yesterday with a fresh reason for US troops to continue fighting in Iraq: protection of the country’s vast oil fields, which he said would otherwise fall under the control of terrorist extremists.”

    **************

    I wasn’t even including the costs of Afghanistan and Pakistan in my argument, Woody.

    As of February 2010, the Congressional Budget Office calculated the cost of the Iraq War to be more than $700 billion.  Therefore, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent by the United States taxpayer to protect the middle eastern oil supply.  Add that cost to your taxpayer subsidy figures, and see if you are still willing to defend the low cost of fossil fuel subsidies, as you have done for months and months now with your silly MWH chart.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not the one who said that our military has gone into Iraq to protect the oil supplies.  President Bush said it on August 31, 2005, according to the Associated Press:

    “CORONADO, Calif. — President Bush answered growing antiwar protests yesterday with a fresh reason for US troops to continue fighting in Iraq: protection of the country’s vast oil fields, which he said would otherwise fall under the control of terrorist extremists.”

    **************

    I wasn’t even including the costs of Afghanistan and Pakistan in my argument, Woody.

    As of February 2010, the Congressional Budget Office calculated the cost of the Iraq War to be more than $700 billion.  Therefore, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent by the United States taxpayer to protect the middle eastern oil supply.  Add that cost to your taxpayer subsidy figures, and see if you are still willing to defend the low cost of fossil fuel subsidies, as you have done for months and months now with your silly MWH chart.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not the one who said that our military has gone into Iraq to protect the oil supplies.  President Bush said it on August 31, 2005, according to the Associated Press:

    “CORONADO, Calif. — President Bush answered growing antiwar protests yesterday with a fresh reason for US troops to continue fighting in Iraq: protection of the country’s vast oil fields, which he said would otherwise fall under the control of terrorist extremists.”

    **************

    I wasn’t even including the costs of Afghanistan and Pakistan in my argument, Woody.

    As of February 2010, the Congressional Budget Office calculated the cost of the Iraq War to be more than $700 billion.  Therefore, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent by the United States taxpayer to protect the middle eastern oil supply.  Add that cost to your taxpayer subsidy figures, and see if you are still willing to defend the low cost of fossil fuel subsidies, as you have done for months and months now with your silly MWH chart.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not the one who said that our military has gone into Iraq to protect the oil supplies.  President Bush said it on August 31, 2005, according to the Associated Press:

    “CORONADO, Calif. — President Bush answered growing antiwar protests yesterday with a fresh reason for US troops to continue fighting in Iraq: protection of the country’s vast oil fields, which he said would otherwise fall under the control of terrorist extremists.”

    **************

    I wasn’t even including the costs of Afghanistan and Pakistan in my argument, Woody.

    As of February 2010, the Congressional Budget Office calculated the cost of the Iraq War to be more than $700 billion.  Therefore, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent by the United States taxpayer to protect the middle eastern oil supply.  Add that cost to your taxpayer subsidy figures, and see if you are still willing to defend the low cost of fossil fuel subsidies, as you have done for months and months now with your silly MWH chart.

  • Anonymous

    All you showed me was a brief  article about German investment in wind power in  Germany and France.  I gave you back “the rest of the story” regarding Siemens and their turbine manufacturing business but you apparently forgot that.  Do a little research and you can confirm what I said about the reasoning behind the German’s new found interest/ investment in wind power.

    It’s obvious you’re one of those people who believe only what they want to believe even in the face of overwhelming evidnece to the contrary.  I’ve wasted enough time today trying to have an inteligent debate with you to no avail. With that I bid you good day sir. 

    Try educating yourself on this subject before taking me to task again. By educating yourself I’m talking about reading more than a Bloomberg article or two.  Read both sides of the story before committing yourself firmly to one side. 

    Attend a few developers informational or town meetings on the subject.  Attend a few LURC or DEP hearings on the subject.  Attend an dtestify at a couple of Energy, Utilities, and Technology Comittee meetings in Augusta.  Testify at several LURC or DEP meetings on this subject.  Then spend 20+ hours a week reading all the information you get find on both sides of the issue.  I’ve done all of this while you’ve done nothing more than read your Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg Reports. 

  • Anonymous

    All you showed me was a brief  article about German investment in wind power in  Germany and France.  I gave you back “the rest of the story” regarding Siemens and their turbine manufacturing business but you apparently forgot that.  Do a little research and you can confirm what I said about the reasoning behind the German’s new found interest/ investment in wind power.

    It’s obvious you’re one of those people who believe only what they want to believe even in the face of overwhelming evidnece to the contrary.  I’ve wasted enough time today trying to have an inteligent debate with you to no avail. With that I bid you good day sir. 

    Try educating yourself on this subject before taking me to task again. By educating yourself I’m talking about reading more than a Bloomberg article or two.  Read both sides of the story before committing yourself firmly to one side. 

    Attend a few developers informational or town meetings on the subject.  Attend a few LURC or DEP hearings on the subject.  Attend an dtestify at a couple of Energy, Utilities, and Technology Comittee meetings in Augusta.  Testify at several LURC or DEP meetings on this subject.  Then spend 20+ hours a week reading all the information you get find on both sides of the issue.  I’ve done all of this while you’ve done nothing more than read your Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg Reports. 

  • Anonymous

    All you showed me was a brief  article about German investment in wind power in  Germany and France.  I gave you back “the rest of the story” regarding Siemens and their turbine manufacturing business but you apparently forgot that.  Do a little research and you can confirm what I said about the reasoning behind the German’s new found interest/ investment in wind power.

    It’s obvious you’re one of those people who believe only what they want to believe even in the face of overwhelming evidnece to the contrary.  I’ve wasted enough time today trying to have an inteligent debate with you to no avail. With that I bid you good day sir. 

    Try educating yourself on this subject before taking me to task again. By educating yourself I’m talking about reading more than a Bloomberg article or two.  Read both sides of the story before committing yourself firmly to one side. 

    Attend a few developers informational or town meetings on the subject.  Attend a few LURC or DEP hearings on the subject.  Attend an dtestify at a couple of Energy, Utilities, and Technology Comittee meetings in Augusta.  Testify at several LURC or DEP meetings on this subject.  Then spend 20+ hours a week reading all the information you get find on both sides of the issue.  I’ve done all of this while you’ve done nothing more than read your Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg Reports. 

  • Anonymous

    All you showed me was a brief  article about German investment in wind power in  Germany and France.  I gave you back “the rest of the story” regarding Siemens and their turbine manufacturing business but you apparently forgot that.  Do a little research and you can confirm what I said about the reasoning behind the German’s new found interest/ investment in wind power.

    It’s obvious you’re one of those people who believe only what they want to believe even in the face of overwhelming evidnece to the contrary.  I’ve wasted enough time today trying to have an inteligent debate with you to no avail. With that I bid you good day sir. 

    Try educating yourself on this subject before taking me to task again. By educating yourself I’m talking about reading more than a Bloomberg article or two.  Read both sides of the story before committing yourself firmly to one side. 

    Attend a few developers informational or town meetings on the subject.  Attend a few LURC or DEP hearings on the subject.  Attend an dtestify at a couple of Energy, Utilities, and Technology Comittee meetings in Augusta.  Testify at several LURC or DEP meetings on this subject.  Then spend 20+ hours a week reading all the information you get find on both sides of the issue.  I’ve done all of this while you’ve done nothing more than read your Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg Reports. 

  • Anonymous

    All you showed me was a brief  article about German investment in wind power in  Germany and France.  I gave you back “the rest of the story” regarding Siemens and their turbine manufacturing business but you apparently forgot that.  Do a little research and you can confirm what I said about the reasoning behind the German’s new found interest/ investment in wind power.

    It’s obvious you’re one of those people who believe only what they want to believe even in the face of overwhelming evidnece to the contrary.  I’ve wasted enough time today trying to have an inteligent debate with you to no avail. With that I bid you good day sir. 

    Try educating yourself on this subject before taking me to task again. By educating yourself I’m talking about reading more than a Bloomberg article or two.  Read both sides of the story before committing yourself firmly to one side. 

    Attend a few developers informational or town meetings on the subject.  Attend a few LURC or DEP hearings on the subject.  Attend an dtestify at a couple of Energy, Utilities, and Technology Comittee meetings in Augusta.  Testify at several LURC or DEP meetings on this subject.  Then spend 20+ hours a week reading all the information you get find on both sides of the issue.  I’ve done all of this while you’ve done nothing more than read your Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg Reports. 

  • Anonymous

    All you showed me was a brief  article about German investment in wind power in  Germany and France.  I gave you back “the rest of the story” regarding Siemens and their turbine manufacturing business but you apparently forgot that.  Do a little research and you can confirm what I said about the reasoning behind the German’s new found interest/ investment in wind power.

    It’s obvious you’re one of those people who believe only what they want to believe even in the face of overwhelming evidnece to the contrary.  I’ve wasted enough time today trying to have an inteligent debate with you to no avail. With that I bid you good day sir. 

    Try educating yourself on this subject before taking me to task again. By educating yourself I’m talking about reading more than a Bloomberg article or two.  Read both sides of the story before committing yourself firmly to one side. 

    Attend a few developers informational or town meetings on the subject.  Attend a few LURC or DEP hearings on the subject.  Attend an dtestify at a couple of Energy, Utilities, and Technology Comittee meetings in Augusta.  Testify at several LURC or DEP meetings on this subject.  Then spend 20+ hours a week reading all the information you get find on both sides of the issue.  I’ve done all of this while you’ve done nothing more than read your Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg Reports. 

  • Anonymous

    All you showed me was a brief  article about German investment in wind power in  Germany and France.  I gave you back “the rest of the story” regarding Siemens and their turbine manufacturing business but you apparently forgot that.  Do a little research and you can confirm what I said about the reasoning behind the German’s new found interest/ investment in wind power.

    It’s obvious you’re one of those people who believe only what they want to believe even in the face of overwhelming evidnece to the contrary.  I’ve wasted enough time today trying to have an inteligent debate with you to no avail. With that I bid you good day sir. 

    Try educating yourself on this subject before taking me to task again. By educating yourself I’m talking about reading more than a Bloomberg article or two.  Read both sides of the story before committing yourself firmly to one side. 

    Attend a few developers informational or town meetings on the subject.  Attend a few LURC or DEP hearings on the subject.  Attend an dtestify at a couple of Energy, Utilities, and Technology Comittee meetings in Augusta.  Testify at several LURC or DEP meetings on this subject.  Then spend 20+ hours a week reading all the information you get find on both sides of the issue.  I’ve done all of this while you’ve done nothing more than read your Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg Reports. 

  • Anonymous

    As I’ve mentioned, any reader of your posts will have come to know that your “research” is selective.  You demand footnotes, and yet you provide none, and can only vow to provide three internet studies for every one that a wind supporter might provide.  Who is to say if your internet studies are the work of credible researchers, or are the ramblings of more anti-wind gurus?  Since you never provide the sources of your “facts,” I suppose we might never have a chance to analyze your information fully, and that situation renders your arguments meaningless.

  • Anonymous

    As I’ve mentioned, any reader of your posts will have come to know that your “research” is selective.  You demand footnotes, and yet you provide none, and can only vow to provide three internet studies for every one that a wind supporter might provide.  Who is to say if your internet studies are the work of credible researchers, or are the ramblings of more anti-wind gurus?  Since you never provide the sources of your “facts,” I suppose we might never have a chance to analyze your information fully, and that situation renders your arguments meaningless.

  • Anonymous

    As I’ve mentioned, any reader of your posts will have come to know that your “research” is selective.  You demand footnotes, and yet you provide none, and can only vow to provide three internet studies for every one that a wind supporter might provide.  Who is to say if your internet studies are the work of credible researchers, or are the ramblings of more anti-wind gurus?  Since you never provide the sources of your “facts,” I suppose we might never have a chance to analyze your information fully, and that situation renders your arguments meaningless.

  • Anonymous

    As I’ve mentioned, any reader of your posts will have come to know that your “research” is selective.  You demand footnotes, and yet you provide none, and can only vow to provide three internet studies for every one that a wind supporter might provide.  Who is to say if your internet studies are the work of credible researchers, or are the ramblings of more anti-wind gurus?  Since you never provide the sources of your “facts,” I suppose we might never have a chance to analyze your information fully, and that situation renders your arguments meaningless.

  • Anonymous

    So, you’ve been to a hearing… well, that’s a step in the right direction.  But how many times have you visited Vinalhaven itself and talked to the residents there?  Have you made an effort to hear what they have to say?  No, I suspect not.  But I have. Do you have a sense of what it is like to know that you will be able to remain a resident on your ancestoral lands after all, thanks to reductions in the cost of energy brought about by a community-led decision to install wind turbines?  I suspect not, since until today, you couldn’t even spell the name of the island correctly.

    I don’t think it is a good thing that a tiny handful of people have been adversely affected by the source of so much good on the Fox Islands.  But if you talk to the islanders, they explain that the handful have gone immediately to lawyers and have engaged the community in legal battle which has not been conducive to an amicable settlement of differences.  Can you assure us that this is not the case? 

    As for not sleeping due to the sound of a windmill… I can’t imagine it.  I’ve stood in the wake of windmills to see what they sound like, and was amazed at their relative silence.  But then, I live in a city where the sound of a Harley and other street traffic in the middle of the night is common, and I sleep like a baby.  That’s not to say that the effected residents on Vinalhaven don’t have a real gripe on their hands.  I can’t really say because I don’t live there, and neither do you.

  • Anonymous

    So, you’ve been to a hearing… well, that’s a step in the right direction.  But how many times have you visited Vinalhaven itself and talked to the residents there?  Have you made an effort to hear what they have to say?  No, I suspect not.  But I have. Do you have a sense of what it is like to know that you will be able to remain a resident on your ancestoral lands after all, thanks to reductions in the cost of energy brought about by a community-led decision to install wind turbines?  I suspect not, since until today, you couldn’t even spell the name of the island correctly.

    I don’t think it is a good thing that a tiny handful of people have been adversely affected by the source of so much good on the Fox Islands.  But if you talk to the islanders, they explain that the handful have gone immediately to lawyers and have engaged the community in legal battle which has not been conducive to an amicable settlement of differences.  Can you assure us that this is not the case? 

    As for not sleeping due to the sound of a windmill… I can’t imagine it.  I’ve stood in the wake of windmills to see what they sound like, and was amazed at their relative silence.  But then, I live in a city where the sound of a Harley and other street traffic in the middle of the night is common, and I sleep like a baby.  That’s not to say that the effected residents on Vinalhaven don’t have a real gripe on their hands.  I can’t really say because I don’t live there, and neither do you.

  • Anonymous

    So, you’ve been to a hearing… well, that’s a step in the right direction.  But how many times have you visited Vinalhaven itself and talked to the residents there?  Have you made an effort to hear what they have to say?  No, I suspect not.  But I have. Do you have a sense of what it is like to know that you will be able to remain a resident on your ancestoral lands after all, thanks to reductions in the cost of energy brought about by a community-led decision to install wind turbines?  I suspect not, since until today, you couldn’t even spell the name of the island correctly.

    I don’t think it is a good thing that a tiny handful of people have been adversely affected by the source of so much good on the Fox Islands.  But if you talk to the islanders, they explain that the handful have gone immediately to lawyers and have engaged the community in legal battle which has not been conducive to an amicable settlement of differences.  Can you assure us that this is not the case? 

    As for not sleeping due to the sound of a windmill… I can’t imagine it.  I’ve stood in the wake of windmills to see what they sound like, and was amazed at their relative silence.  But then, I live in a city where the sound of a Harley and other street traffic in the middle of the night is common, and I sleep like a baby.  That’s not to say that the effected residents on Vinalhaven don’t have a real gripe on their hands.  I can’t really say because I don’t live there, and neither do you.

  • Anonymous

    So, you’ve been to a hearing… well, that’s a step in the right direction.  But how many times have you visited Vinalhaven itself and talked to the residents there?  Have you made an effort to hear what they have to say?  No, I suspect not.  But I have. Do you have a sense of what it is like to know that you will be able to remain a resident on your ancestoral lands after all, thanks to reductions in the cost of energy brought about by a community-led decision to install wind turbines?  I suspect not, since until today, you couldn’t even spell the name of the island correctly.

    I don’t think it is a good thing that a tiny handful of people have been adversely affected by the source of so much good on the Fox Islands.  But if you talk to the islanders, they explain that the handful have gone immediately to lawyers and have engaged the community in legal battle which has not been conducive to an amicable settlement of differences.  Can you assure us that this is not the case? 

    As for not sleeping due to the sound of a windmill… I can’t imagine it.  I’ve stood in the wake of windmills to see what they sound like, and was amazed at their relative silence.  But then, I live in a city where the sound of a Harley and other street traffic in the middle of the night is common, and I sleep like a baby.  That’s not to say that the effected residents on Vinalhaven don’t have a real gripe on their hands.  I can’t really say because I don’t live there, and neither do you.

  • Anonymous

    So, you’ve been to a hearing… well, that’s a step in the right direction.  But how many times have you visited Vinalhaven itself and talked to the residents there?  Have you made an effort to hear what they have to say?  No, I suspect not.  But I have. Do you have a sense of what it is like to know that you will be able to remain a resident on your ancestoral lands after all, thanks to reductions in the cost of energy brought about by a community-led decision to install wind turbines?  I suspect not, since until today, you couldn’t even spell the name of the island correctly.

    I don’t think it is a good thing that a tiny handful of people have been adversely affected by the source of so much good on the Fox Islands.  But if you talk to the islanders, they explain that the handful have gone immediately to lawyers and have engaged the community in legal battle which has not been conducive to an amicable settlement of differences.  Can you assure us that this is not the case? 

    As for not sleeping due to the sound of a windmill… I can’t imagine it.  I’ve stood in the wake of windmills to see what they sound like, and was amazed at their relative silence.  But then, I live in a city where the sound of a Harley and other street traffic in the middle of the night is common, and I sleep like a baby.  That’s not to say that the effected residents on Vinalhaven don’t have a real gripe on their hands.  I can’t really say because I don’t live there, and neither do you.

  • Anonymous

    I only know what I’ve read; what I’ve learned in legislative hearings on the issue; and by listening to the testimonies of the people who have been damaged in this fiasco.  If you think you can discredit all of that because I made a spelling mistake it just goes to show everyone on here what a one-trick pony you are.  Your right and I’m wrong because I misspelled Vinalhaven.   Since you’ve repeatedly have said you have nothing to do with the people on Vinahaven or the entirety of the Fox Islands, how is it that your knowledge is superior to mine?  Your a legend in your own mind Mainah. 

    I strongly suspect that you’ve lied all along on here today and in past comments saying that you’re not in any way associated with Vinalhaven or the wind turbine controversy there.  Otherwise, why would you keep going back to the subject over and over because of simple spelling error?  Because you’ve got nothing else to contribute Mainah.  Plain and very simple.

    Why don’t you show us your expertise on this subject in relation to any one of the other current or future wind projects in this state?  Let’s discuss the Rollins project, or the Rocky Dundee Project, or the Stetson 1 or 2 projects.  How about the proposed Bowers Mt. project?   Want to have meaningful debate on any of those?  Of course not, because you know nothing beyond the Vinalhaven project and some brief newspaper article about German investment in wind power that you’ve been quoting from for months now.  You’re nothing but a lonely old man or woman who has nothing better to do than troll these blogs looking for an argument on a subjetc you know next to nothing about.  I’ve wasted enough time with you today to last me a lifetime.  I say “goodbye: for the last time. 

  • Anonymous

    I only know what I’ve read; what I’ve learned in legislative hearings on the issue; and by listening to the testimonies of the people who have been damaged in this fiasco.  If you think you can discredit all of that because I made a spelling mistake it just goes to show everyone on here what a one-trick pony you are.  Your right and I’m wrong because I misspelled Vinalhaven.   Since you’ve repeatedly have said you have nothing to do with the people on Vinahaven or the entirety of the Fox Islands, how is it that your knowledge is superior to mine?  Your a legend in your own mind Mainah. 

    I strongly suspect that you’ve lied all along on here today and in past comments saying that you’re not in any way associated with Vinalhaven or the wind turbine controversy there.  Otherwise, why would you keep going back to the subject over and over because of simple spelling error?  Because you’ve got nothing else to contribute Mainah.  Plain and very simple.

    Why don’t you show us your expertise on this subject in relation to any one of the other current or future wind projects in this state?  Let’s discuss the Rollins project, or the Rocky Dundee Project, or the Stetson 1 or 2 projects.  How about the proposed Bowers Mt. project?   Want to have meaningful debate on any of those?  Of course not, because you know nothing beyond the Vinalhaven project and some brief newspaper article about German investment in wind power that you’ve been quoting from for months now.  You’re nothing but a lonely old man or woman who has nothing better to do than troll these blogs looking for an argument on a subjetc you know next to nothing about.  I’ve wasted enough time with you today to last me a lifetime.  I say “goodbye: for the last time. 

  • Anonymous

    I only know what I’ve read; what I’ve learned in legislative hearings on the issue; and by listening to the testimonies of the people who have been damaged in this fiasco.  If you think you can discredit all of that because I made a spelling mistake it just goes to show everyone on here what a one-trick pony you are.  Your right and I’m wrong because I misspelled Vinalhaven.   Since you’ve repeatedly have said you have nothing to do with the people on Vinahaven or the entirety of the Fox Islands, how is it that your knowledge is superior to mine?  Your a legend in your own mind Mainah. 

    I strongly suspect that you’ve lied all along on here today and in past comments saying that you’re not in any way associated with Vinalhaven or the wind turbine controversy there.  Otherwise, why would you keep going back to the subject over and over because of simple spelling error?  Because you’ve got nothing else to contribute Mainah.  Plain and very simple.

    Why don’t you show us your expertise on this subject in relation to any one of the other current or future wind projects in this state?  Let’s discuss the Rollins project, or the Rocky Dundee Project, or the Stetson 1 or 2 projects.  How about the proposed Bowers Mt. project?   Want to have meaningful debate on any of those?  Of course not, because you know nothing beyond the Vinalhaven project and some brief newspaper article about German investment in wind power that you’ve been quoting from for months now.  You’re nothing but a lonely old man or woman who has nothing better to do than troll these blogs looking for an argument on a subjetc you know next to nothing about.  I’ve wasted enough time with you today to last me a lifetime.  I say “goodbye: for the last time. 

  • Anonymous

    I only know what I’ve read; what I’ve learned in legislative hearings on the issue; and by listening to the testimonies of the people who have been damaged in this fiasco.  If you think you can discredit all of that because I made a spelling mistake it just goes to show everyone on here what a one-trick pony you are.  Your right and I’m wrong because I misspelled Vinalhaven.   Since you’ve repeatedly have said you have nothing to do with the people on Vinahaven or the entirety of the Fox Islands, how is it that your knowledge is superior to mine?  Your a legend in your own mind Mainah. 

    I strongly suspect that you’ve lied all along on here today and in past comments saying that you’re not in any way associated with Vinalhaven or the wind turbine controversy there.  Otherwise, why would you keep going back to the subject over and over because of simple spelling error?  Because you’ve got nothing else to contribute Mainah.  Plain and very simple.

    Why don’t you show us your expertise on this subject in relation to any one of the other current or future wind projects in this state?  Let’s discuss the Rollins project, or the Rocky Dundee Project, or the Stetson 1 or 2 projects.  How about the proposed Bowers Mt. project?   Want to have meaningful debate on any of those?  Of course not, because you know nothing beyond the Vinalhaven project and some brief newspaper article about German investment in wind power that you’ve been quoting from for months now.  You’re nothing but a lonely old man or woman who has nothing better to do than troll these blogs looking for an argument on a subjetc you know next to nothing about.  I’ve wasted enough time with you today to last me a lifetime.  I say “goodbye: for the last time. 

  • Anonymous

    You just proved me right there Mainah.  The real axe you have to grind is not with windpower, (which you know nothing about), it’s some kind of strong latent fixation with our military deployments.  Put down your bong and put away away your old 1960′s denim jacket with the big peace sign on the back and come back to 2011.  You won’t believe how much things have changed in 40+ years!

  • Anonymous

    What you did was to ignore the black and white proof that Europeans value wind power as a renewable source of energy, just as you ignored the information I presented to you about Vermont’s bad deal regarding the purchase of Canadian Hydro power. And yet, you still can’t produce one piece of an article to back up your claims — only your hearsay comments, accompanied by personal insults.  Your arguments are not credible in that form, Mr. Northwoods.  And for the record, I will continue to rebut your arguments whenever you turn up on these blogs with your unsubstantiated claims, whether you approve or not.  Good day to you, as well…

  • Anonymous

    What you did was to ignore the black and white proof that Europeans value wind power as a renewable source of energy, just as you ignored the information I presented to you about Vermont’s bad deal regarding the purchase of Canadian Hydro power. And yet, you still can’t produce one piece of an article to back up your claims — only your hearsay comments, accompanied by personal insults.  Your arguments are not credible in that form, Mr. Northwoods.  And for the record, I will continue to rebut your arguments whenever you turn up on these blogs with your unsubstantiated claims, whether you approve or not.  Good day to you, as well…

  • Anonymous

    Actually, if you look back through the posts, you are the one who brought up the FIW topic when you claimed, falsely, that I am a member of Vinalhaven’s community.  Your paranoia about Vinalhaven is really rather intriguing, though it really has nothing to do with the overall wind debate.  By the way, I am perfectly willing to engage you in discussions about any wind project you choose.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, if you look back through the posts, you are the one who brought up the FIW topic when you claimed, falsely, that I am a member of Vinalhaven’s community.  Your paranoia about Vinalhaven is really rather intriguing, though it really has nothing to do with the overall wind debate.  By the way, I am perfectly willing to engage you in discussions about any wind project you choose.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, if you look back through the posts, you are the one who brought up the FIW topic when you claimed, falsely, that I am a member of Vinalhaven’s community.  Your paranoia about Vinalhaven is really rather intriguing, though it really has nothing to do with the overall wind debate.  By the way, I am perfectly willing to engage you in discussions about any wind project you choose.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, if you look back through the posts, you are the one who brought up the FIW topic when you claimed, falsely, that I am a member of Vinalhaven’s community.  Your paranoia about Vinalhaven is really rather intriguing, though it really has nothing to do with the overall wind debate.  By the way, I am perfectly willing to engage you in discussions about any wind project you choose.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, if you look back through the posts, you are the one who brought up the FIW topic when you claimed, falsely, that I am a member of Vinalhaven’s community.  Your paranoia about Vinalhaven is really rather intriguing, though it really has nothing to do with the overall wind debate.  By the way, I am perfectly willing to engage you in discussions about any wind project you choose.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, if you look back through the posts, you are the one who brought up the FIW topic when you claimed, falsely, that I am a member of Vinalhaven’s community.  Your paranoia about Vinalhaven is really rather intriguing, though it really has nothing to do with the overall wind debate.  By the way, I am perfectly willing to engage you in discussions about any wind project you choose.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, if you look back through the posts, you are the one who brought up the FIW topic when you claimed, falsely, that I am a member of Vinalhaven’s community.  Your paranoia about Vinalhaven is really rather intriguing, though it really has nothing to do with the overall wind debate.  By the way, I am perfectly willing to engage you in discussions about any wind project you choose.

  • Anonymous

    It’s really sort of sad to watch an opponent’s arguments disintegrate into pointless insults. 

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree with you more, I felt that way about what you had to say all day.  You’ve not answered a single one of my questions regarding your attendance at any LURC or DEP meetings. No repsonse to whether you’ve testified or even attended any public hearings on wind power.  No response to me asking you about whether you’ve attended any of the legislative hearings or committee meetings on this subject in Augusta ..nothing at all to back up your self-professed expertise on this matter (except for your reference to the one Bloomberg article) which had no relevance to wind power in Maine whatsoever) .  You’re just a hollow shell of an argument there Mainah. 

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree with you more, I felt that way about what you had to say all day.  You’ve not answered a single one of my questions regarding your attendance at any LURC or DEP meetings. No repsonse to whether you’ve testified or even attended any public hearings on wind power.  No response to me asking you about whether you’ve attended any of the legislative hearings or committee meetings on this subject in Augusta ..nothing at all to back up your self-professed expertise on this matter (except for your reference to the one Bloomberg article) which had no relevance to wind power in Maine whatsoever) .  You’re just a hollow shell of an argument there Mainah. 

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree with you more, I felt that way about what you had to say all day.  You’ve not answered a single one of my questions regarding your attendance at any LURC or DEP meetings. No repsonse to whether you’ve testified or even attended any public hearings on wind power.  No response to me asking you about whether you’ve attended any of the legislative hearings or committee meetings on this subject in Augusta ..nothing at all to back up your self-professed expertise on this matter (except for your reference to the one Bloomberg article) which had no relevance to wind power in Maine whatsoever) .  You’re just a hollow shell of an argument there Mainah. 

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree with you more, I felt that way about what you had to say all day.  You’ve not answered a single one of my questions regarding your attendance at any LURC or DEP meetings. No repsonse to whether you’ve testified or even attended any public hearings on wind power.  No response to me asking you about whether you’ve attended any of the legislative hearings or committee meetings on this subject in Augusta ..nothing at all to back up your self-professed expertise on this matter (except for your reference to the one Bloomberg article) which had no relevance to wind power in Maine whatsoever) .  You’re just a hollow shell of an argument there Mainah. 

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree with you more, I felt that way about what you had to say all day.  You’ve not answered a single one of my questions regarding your attendance at any LURC or DEP meetings. No repsonse to whether you’ve testified or even attended any public hearings on wind power.  No response to me asking you about whether you’ve attended any of the legislative hearings or committee meetings on this subject in Augusta ..nothing at all to back up your self-professed expertise on this matter (except for your reference to the one Bloomberg article) which had no relevance to wind power in Maine whatsoever) .  You’re just a hollow shell of an argument there Mainah. 

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree with you more, I felt that way about what you had to say all day.  You’ve not answered a single one of my questions regarding your attendance at any LURC or DEP meetings. No repsonse to whether you’ve testified or even attended any public hearings on wind power.  No response to me asking you about whether you’ve attended any of the legislative hearings or committee meetings on this subject in Augusta ..nothing at all to back up your self-professed expertise on this matter (except for your reference to the one Bloomberg article) which had no relevance to wind power in Maine whatsoever) .  You’re just a hollow shell of an argument there Mainah. 

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree with you more, I felt that way about what you had to say all day.  You’ve not answered a single one of my questions regarding your attendance at any LURC or DEP meetings. No repsonse to whether you’ve testified or even attended any public hearings on wind power.  No response to me asking you about whether you’ve attended any of the legislative hearings or committee meetings on this subject in Augusta ..nothing at all to back up your self-professed expertise on this matter (except for your reference to the one Bloomberg article) which had no relevance to wind power in Maine whatsoever) .  You’re just a hollow shell of an argument there Mainah. 

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree with you more, I felt that way about what you had to say all day.  You’ve not answered a single one of my questions regarding your attendance at any LURC or DEP meetings. No repsonse to whether you’ve testified or even attended any public hearings on wind power.  No response to me asking you about whether you’ve attended any of the legislative hearings or committee meetings on this subject in Augusta ..nothing at all to back up your self-professed expertise on this matter (except for your reference to the one Bloomberg article) which had no relevance to wind power in Maine whatsoever) .  You’re just a hollow shell of an argument there Mainah. 

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree with you more, I felt that way about what you had to say all day.  You’ve not answered a single one of my questions regarding your attendance at any LURC or DEP meetings. No repsonse to whether you’ve testified or even attended any public hearings on wind power.  No response to me asking you about whether you’ve attended any of the legislative hearings or committee meetings on this subject in Augusta ..nothing at all to back up your self-professed expertise on this matter (except for your reference to the one Bloomberg article) which had no relevance to wind power in Maine whatsoever) .  You’re just a hollow shell of an argument there Mainah. 

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree with you more, I felt that way about what you had to say all day.  You’ve not answered a single one of my questions regarding your attendance at any LURC or DEP meetings. No repsonse to whether you’ve testified or even attended any public hearings on wind power.  No response to me asking you about whether you’ve attended any of the legislative hearings or committee meetings on this subject in Augusta ..nothing at all to back up your self-professed expertise on this matter (except for your reference to the one Bloomberg article) which had no relevance to wind power in Maine whatsoever) .  You’re just a hollow shell of an argument there Mainah. 

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t agree with you more, I felt that way about what you had to say all day.  You’ve not answered a single one of my questions regarding your attendance at any LURC or DEP meetings. No repsonse to whether you’ve testified or even attended any public hearings on wind power.  No response to me asking you about whether you’ve attended any of the legislative hearings or committee meetings on this subject in Augusta ..nothing at all to back up your self-professed expertise on this matter (except for your reference to the one Bloomberg article) which had no relevance to wind power in Maine whatsoever) .  You’re just a hollow shell of an argument there Mainah. 

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