LePage bars fire marshal from hearing on Maine fireworks bill

Bangor's largest Fourth of July fireworks display in 2005. The Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee on Monday takes up Rep. Douglas Damon’s bill to remove from Maine law a prohibition on the sale and use of consumer fireworks.
Bangor's largest Fourth of July fireworks display in 2005. The Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee on Monday takes up Rep. Douglas Damon’s bill to remove from Maine law a prohibition on the sale and use of consumer fireworks.
Posted Feb. 07, 2011, at 9:15 p.m.
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AUGUSTA, Maine — Lawmakers heard testimony Monday from supporters and opponents of legislation that would allow the sale and use of a wide range of fireworks in the state.

But perhaps the idea’s most vocal opponent was conspicuously silent.

That’s because Gov. Paul LePage — whose administration supports the sale and use of some consumer fireworks — did not allow anyone from the State Fire Marshal’s Office to testify before lawmakers Monday. The fire marshal’s office has consistently opposed similar legislation in the past.

“In his role as fire marshal, [John Dean] has offered testimony on similar bills in the past, and I don’t think it would be fair to him to ask him to express an opinion contrary — well, not exactly contrary — to what he has said in the past,” said Dan Billings, Gov. Paul LePage’s chief legal counsel, on the administration’s decision not to allow Dean to testify.

Dean could not be reached for comment Monday.

Billings said the LePage administration supports allowing the sale and use of more consumer fireworks, just not all of those allowed by the federal law on which the proposed Maine legislation is based.

“The administration believes [the bill] is too broad, and the committee should work through the list to determine what the state wants to allow,” said Billings, who did relay some of the fire marshal’s safety concerns to the committee Monday.

Rep. Douglas Damon, R-Bangor, sponsor of the bill, said he took the definition in his proposal from federal law. He believes with so many people in the state already using consumer-type fireworks — such as firecrackers, bottle rockets and Roman candles — the state should allow the sale and use of fireworks and benefit from businesses that would sell the fireworks and taxes that would be generated.

“Fireworks are here, whether we like it or not,” he said. “We have a problem. We have the fireworks, but we don’t have the safety training for handling them. That has to change.”

Damon’s legislation would divert funds from the sales tax on fireworks to provide training for handling the fireworks allowed in the state. A bill defeated two years ago was estimated to raise $400,000 in sales tax revenue for the state.

“This state needs all the business it can get,” said David Sleeper of Hermon, the owner of a Bangor real estate company and former owner of Perry’s Nut House in Belfast. “I realize this is a very tiny little portion, but nevertheless, this will enhance the economics of the state of Maine and have a minimal impact on people.”

But the potential impact on people was the concern of opponents to the legislation, such as local public safety officials and doctors who have dealt with injuries from fireworks.

Dr. William Atlee is an ophthalmologist who practiced in Augusta until he retired recently. He told lawmakers that the fireworks that are currently legal — sparklers — cause a lot of serious injuries and that those proposed would cause even more.

“Particularly to children under five,” he said. “They are fun, they look nice, but they burn at surprisingly high intensity at a documented 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit, and a very light touch can cause a second- or third-degree burn.”

Andy MacLean, Vice President of the Maine Medical Association, said the organization opposes the legislation. He said there is great concern among doctors about the widespread use of fireworks outside of professional displays.

“There is no way that sufficient safety training requirements can be imposed on the average citizen that would outweigh the significant public health risk that this poses,” he said.

Bill Vickerson of the Maine State Federation of Firefighters said his organization discussed the bill and was astonished it was introduced.

“When our legislative committee was discussing this, it was kind of hard for any of us to think that anyone thought this is a good idea,” he said.

Vickerson said lawmakers should recognize that while neighboring New Hampshire allows the sale of fireworks, it does not allow the use of those fireworks by its citizens. He said there are a lot of costs to fire agencies from fires caused by fireworks, even with the current limitations on sale and use.

Rep. Anne Haskell, D-Portland, a former co-chairwoman of the committee, said that while previous administrations have blocked state officials from testifying before the panel, she does not like the practice, because the Legislature has the oversight role over executive branch actions.

“The fire marshal’s office voice should have been heard during this debate,” she said. “They are the ones with the expertise.”

But Rep. Gary Plummer, R-Windham, the co-chairman of the panel, said he was not concerned at the gag order on the fire marshal. He said the office would be at the work session on the bill and committee members will have the benefit of the expertise in the office as they consider the proposal.

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  • Anonymous

    I think fireworks should be legal in Maine, I have never been through a 4th of july without seeing a few illegal fireworks set off. They are pretty, exciting, and children and adults love them not to mention potential tax revenue without a burden to people who don’t want to buy them…a win win win.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, so this is open government. And this is the kind of advice the Governor’s chief legal counsel gives? If this law passes, the state could be responsible for any injury claims. The safety issues are profound. At least how about a realistic cost analysis? Oh yeah, they’ll probably be sold at Mardens.

  • Anonymous

    “They are pretty, exciting, …”

    And dangerous.

  • Anonymous

    Rep. Douglas Damon, R-Bangor, sponsor of the bill: “He believes with so many people in the state already using consumer-type fireworks — such as firecrackers, bottle rockets and Roman candles — the state should allow the sale and use of fireworks and benefit from businesses that would sell the fireworks and taxes that would be generated.”

    That’s quite a statement to use as one argument for legalizing something. Just sayin’ it seems to be applied to a few different causes nowadays.

    This part is extremely important people…please read it again:

    Andy MacLean, Vice President of the Maine Medical Association, said the organization opposes the legislation. He said there is great concern among doctors about the widespread use of fireworks outside of professional displays.

    “There is no way that sufficient safety training requirements can be imposed on the average citizen that would outweigh the significant public health risk that this poses,” he said.

    Bill Vickerson of the Maine State Federation of Firefighters said his organization discussed the bill and was astonished it was introduced.

    “When our legislative committee was discussing this, it was kind of hard for any of us to think that anyone thought this is a good idea,” he said.

    Vickerson said lawmakers should recognize that while neighboring New Hampshire allows the sale of fireworks, it does not allow the use of those fireworks by its citizens. He said there are a lot of costs to fire agencies from fires caused by fireworks, even with the current limitations on sale and use.

    I think there’s a darn good reason why certain classes of fireworks are outlawed in Maine. Why don’t we just listen to the people whose departments are the ones that deal firsthand with the after effects of firework usage in Maine. It really is so hard to imagine that this bill is thought to be a good idea by some. Even not letting the Fire Marshall speak should be some sign to people that ‘it just ain’t smart.’ Common sense dictates that this bill should be classified as a no-brainer.

    I bet there will be a special ‘fireworks tax’.

  • Anonymous

    It makes me very uncomfortable that the Fire Marshall, with significant expertise in this area, is silenced from offering his informed opinion on a bill like this because his position doesn’t line up with the administration. On a bill like this his opinion should be front and center before the panel considering all the information to make an informed decision.

  • Anonymous

    Mr Vickerson, you might want to check your facts. I live in NH and I can go down the road buy legal fire works (bottle rockets, smoke bomb/fireworks, shelled fireworks not included) then return back to my home and let loose. As a side note, fireworks are legal in NH, but each town can set up ordinances to ban them. I am guessing that many towns due ban them, many towns also ban in-town open fires, in-town far animals, etc…..the point, leave it up to the towns. It’s funny, fire works are illegal, but guns, cars, booze, smokes, football, skiing, hockey, cheerleading, and swimming are all legal. In this bubble boy world we live in, I want them all banned!

  • Anonymous

    Don’t worry, it’s people before politics again!!

  • Centaurmyst

    Just read the update to this story about LePage banning the Fire Marshall from being able to testify against fireworks. So now LePage is denying the Fire Marshall’s 1st Amendment right of freedom of speech? If any Tea Partier defends LePage this time they are hypocrites.

  • Anonymous

    Way to be responsible Penguin!! Yes – let’s sell people fireworks, but not give them any of the information that Maine’s highest ranking firefighter would want them to have about using them. In fact, let’s take that extra step and forbid the fire fighter from talking. This governor continues to amaze. Unreal.

  • Anonymous

    Potentially dangerous, as are many other products when used improperly. How long have parents been told to keep household cleaners sealed up when not in use and out of the reach of toddlers? Young children still get injured every year in spite of all the warnings.

  • Mungo Munro

    Lepage wants to create a new state sandwich called ,”The Hamburger hand”………. It is easy to make. Just take one M-80 firecracker with a leaky fuse….and one child’s hand and BANG!. Hamburger hand……………… But why should the Republican party of Maine care about a few missing fingers.

  • Anonymous

    This surprises me. I was under the impression that with all our new private prisons, we were going to need more reasons to throw our citizens in jail, not less.

  • Anonymous

    Those same doctors would probably advise that snickers bars aren’t good for kids either and that it would be best if they were banned. Best just to take things out of the control of people so they won’t harm themselves, right? Where do you draw the line? And why is that line up to certain people?

    I think most people understand the risk. People who aren’t interested in harming themselves, stay clear of the things, like me.

    How many people die each year from driving? Should that be banned in Maine? What about water? You could drown? Should we ban fishing? Boating? Beaching going? Don’t be ridiculous right? I have no facts but my guess would be more people die from drowning, than they do from fireworks. So why isn’t going into or onto the water, more heavily regulated or simply banned altogether? Why can someone make the decision on their own to take their dingy from Rockland to Bermuda in a hurricane and then call the Coast Guard to come rescue them and that is perfectly legal but someone can’t shoot off a couple of fireworks? How do these two line up?

    Why is it up to you or anyone else to decide? Some things that are harmful like smoking are perfectly legal but other things that aren’t going to harm anyone with a little common sense, are banned. Makes no sense. But if you listen to the people who request that these things stay banned and used their reasoning, EVERYTHING would be banned, from certain foods to recreation to driving. They want everything that could potentially harm us, banned. Nobody believes that things will get pushed further and further. Nope, people I guess want to believe that Washington and the rest of the founding fathers would have completely understood Obama’s health care initiative and seen that as an extension of their work.

    This is another type of thing that doesn’t really affect anyone who isn’t interested in fireworks but those folks are usually the loudest critics of them. One or two loud booms a year will greatly affect their ability to live their peaceful life they and their trust fund are entitled too so they want to dictate to everyone else. I don’t use fireworks but I think it is hilarious that they are legal in southern hot states but here in Maine we act like the biggest bunch of sissies in the country. Only 10 states have bans on these things. And we are one of them. Funny but I don’t hear about a big injury epidemic from these other states where they are legal.

    I really, really am glad that liberals are out of the way in this state. As I have said, I could care less about fireworks but they, like a lot of other products and issues are symbolic of this state and the libnuts who have been running it. I don’t want to blow my hand off with an M80 or a Roman Candle, or a Butt Snuffer or a Crotch Rocker. I don’t have any interest in lighting off a Flaming Susan, or a South American Fire Ball. So I don’t. You don’t have to either.

  • Anonymous

    The Governor is well within his right to silence any state employee from testifying before a state committee.

    In Rhode Island, the Governor (by the way he has a “D” after his name) there has banned any state employee from speaking with the press during working hours.

    And I am NOT a Tea Party member.

  • Anonymous

    Please take a clue from the election in November and just go away. Your time is up for now. The state is not going to be liable for any injury any more than Georgia, Florida and South Carolina are for people hurting themselves in those states.

    The state allows the sale of smokes. Are they liable for the people harmed by those smokes? Of course not. The state allows the sale of soda. They liable when your teeth rot out? They allow people to drive and even maintain roads, ENCOURAGING you to drive. Are they liable when you crash? Nope. So please so trying to scare people with threats of legal action. It isn’t going to work with the new guard in Augusta. You would be better served to go exclusively with the Mardens joke. Apparently that is the one thing that is going to keep you distracted and out of the way so the mess in Augusta that the loons you’ve been voting for have made can be cleaned up.

  • Anonymous

    We don’t. You want to blow off your fingers, that is your problem, not some political party. Those people who don’t want to take the risk, can stay clear of fireworks. Those that blow off their fingers will mostly have themselves to blame. Those few freak accidents that may come as a result? No different than freak accidents with anything we do in society, including every day things. Can’t go and ban those.

    What are going to be for Halloween when your Drama Queen costume gets old from wearing it every day?

  • Anonymous

    They can’t possibly be hypocrites. That would make them authentic liberals.

  • Anonymous

    What expertise does he have other than he doesn’t want to see anything that will start a fire since he has to use his resources to deal with fires? If it was YOUR job to clean up the sand put down by road crews, you would advocate they use less sand. And it wouldn’t make you an expert on how to deal with winter storms. I don’t think it is any mystery that a fire marshall would be against something that would create fire. They are against fire. In any form.

    This makes you uncomfortable? The previous administrations practices must have made you feel downeast dirty then.

  • Anonymous

    Lobster is pretty good too but it is some dangerous to go out on the open water to try to catch them. BAN lobster fishing.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see a problem with it. It could generate some jobs and some revenue. Our only worry is people to dumb to use them safely…. And that does worry me.

  • Anonymous

    The Penguin in the Blaine House and the Monkey in the White House.

    This wasn’t a public event to sell fireworks to misinformed people. It was a hearing to try to lift a ban on the things. Why would LePage want to send someone who disagrees with his position to testify on his behalf?

    Can’t the lawmakers call the fire marshall if they think he has something to add? And what exactly does he have to add other than what is already known, such as the reasons they are banned now? They might hurt people. They could start a fire. Same exact things all kinds of other legal products already do.

    BTW, any examples of Baldacci sending someone to testify on his behalf despite disagreeing with his position?

  • Anonymous

    With BPA and fireworks out of the way we can move on the real business like banning liberals from the great state of Maine.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah but none of that matters because you see Democrats play by one set of rules and they get rather upset and start in with the name calling when people on the other side of the aisle exhibit the same behavior. They can’t point out what exactly they disagree with, instead playing party politics and calling the governor names. I don’t know where they think it is going to take them. They have less and less credibility here daily and quite frankly are becoming more and more irrelevant by the day. They only show up in anti-LePage columns and avoid democratic scandals like the plague. It is sad that there are so many bitter people in the state who are delusional enough to think that the state has been run well for the last decade and actually wish for the status quo to continue. I don’t know what you say to people who are anti business and anti people (all people) and are only interested in protecting whatever group gives them the biggest gain at the voting booth that particular day.

    Maine bills itself as the way life should be. Well you should be able to shoot of a bottle rocket if you want to. The sign doesn’t read, the way life should be in the mind of a liberal.

  • Anonymous

    I grew up with fire crackers. I think they were called Ladies Fingers. We had bottle rockets and roman candles too. Somehow, I made it through those danger laden years without blowing my hand off. I now engage in other dangerous activities. I ride a motorcycle and a snowmobile. I drive a car as well. All of which can cause death. I read where if you don’t cut your meat small enough, you can choke and die from that as well. Time to pass a law requiring butchers not to sell any meat larger than stew bits. Long over due I would say. Simply put, you simply can not pass law after law to ‘safe guard’ people from everything. Life is rife with dangers. Common sense will remain uncommon as long as the people look to the government to keep them safe from all dangerous activities. This is where we are today. It is called over regulation.

  • Centaurmyst

    Riddle me this, Don…why is it okay for LePage to outright ban the fire marshall from exercising his 1st Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech? That is a blatant example of the government denying the constitutional rights of a citizen. I thought you Tea Party folks were big defenders of the Constitution. Sorry dude, but that is very hypocritical to give LePage a pass for this.

  • Centaurmyst

    It doesn’t matter if it is a Democrat, Republican or Independent doing this…it is inherently WRONG. Now that I’ve got that out of the way…there is a significant difference between talking to reporters on the clock instead of doing your job and to provide expert testimony relevant to decisions on new laws. That testimony is part of the job and is important and should be not only welcomed but sought after. LePage is incredibly irresponsible and has zero tolerance for anything or anyone that does not agree with or pander to him. That demonstrates extreme immaturity and a complete and total lack of knowledge and respect for the democratic process.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GVQLKETHVAI5CKTJVLYWMBCYRQ Binny

    Fireworks are as American as apple pie. They should never have been banned in the first place. I grew up with them and have been using them for about 50 years now and have never seen anyone blow their fingers off. Never had any serious mishap either. When are the politicians going to start letting folks make there own decisions and take responsibility for their own actions instead trying to regulate the businesses involved to go out of state ? And where are those parents whose children were injured by fireworks.Why aren’t they responsible enough to admit their children weren’t being supervised properly??Fireworks are an art form,of the entertainment industry which has been regulated almost out of existence.Everyone admits the State regulators in Augusta are as a dysfunctional family. This Governor although brash is a breath of fresh air to the state I think. If that wakes up and flies in the face of those who have gotten too comfy and used their authority to rule as a Feudal Land Lord then so be it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GVQLKETHVAI5CKTJVLYWMBCYRQ Binny

    Fireworks are as American as apple pie. They should never have been banned in the first place. I grew up with them and have been using them for about 50 years now and have never seen anyone blow their fingers off. Never had any serious mishap either. When are the politicians going to start letting folks make there own decisions and take responsibility for their own actions instead trying to regulate the businesses involved to go out of state ? And where are those parents whose children were injured by fireworks.Why aren’t they responsible enough to admit their children weren’t being supervised properly??Fireworks are an art form,of the entertainment industry which has been regulated almost out of existence.Everyone admits the State regulators in Augusta are as a dysfunctional family. This Governor although brash is a breath of fresh air to the state I think. If that wakes up and flies in the face of those who have gotten too comfy and used their authority to rule as a Feudal Land Lord then so be it.

  • Anonymous

    Ok, if this is to truly make business, then it should still remain illegal to bring them across the border into Maine…you have to buy them here [like at Mardens]. But i don`t see that happening.

  • Anonymous

    Vickerson is misinformed. New Hampshire state law allows Class C fireworks to be used by consumers, but NH communities can establish local ordinances restricting them.

    There are several types that are illegal, including bottle rockets.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HIGXPANXIJVKJJIKQAZU7TIYXU Ricardo Cabeza

    YAY. Lepage is restoring our rights to think and act like adults, without Mother Augusta deciding what’s good for us and treating us like children.

  • Anonymous

    Kind of like a rigged jury, don’t you think

  • Tyke

    News Flash: Gagging professionals and not allowing them to explain why the most qualified people in the state disagree with the Governor is “deciding what’s good for us and treating us like children”.

  • Tyke

    No, lawmakers cannot “call the fire marshall (sic) if they think he has something to add”.

    Lepage has a gag order on all staff that forbids them from even speaking to legislators in answer to direct questions unless it goes through the governor’s office!

    Yes, he is THAT paranoid and controlling!

    I have listened to a lot of legislative hearings and it has always been common to hear dissenting views from the experts. I have NEVER seen any Maine governor put a gag order on testifying or punish anyone for telling the truth.

    Lepage is setting a very dangerous anti science, anti fact precedent.

  • Mungo Munro

    Your perfect Don. Don’t ever change.

  • Mungo Munro

    I was here first . You leave

  • Tyke

    I do not have a strong opinion on whether fireworks should be banned or not. If they are legalized then hopefully local control will be allowed and we can each work within our own communities to ban them if we want.

    However I do have a big problem with the man elected to serve Maine citizens refusing to allow a full and fair public vetting of his proposals.

    Lepage’s gag order, which also says no staff member can even speak to legislators to answer their questions individually in private without “going through his office” is unprecedented and dangerous.

    Will he also say that DEP scientists are barred from explaining scientific facts if the facts undermine his anti environmental push?

    Will the professionals at DHHS be kept from presenting facts and figures showing the truth behind who will be hurt if Lepage’s slash and burn policies go through?

    Public Service comes with responsibilities to the public one serves. If Lepage’s proposals cannot stand up to the harsh realities of a real and fair public vetting then they should be examined and rejected.

    If his proposals are sound and justified they will survive an honest and fully informed discussion. Not allowing real and honest public debate makes it clear that Lepage himself has little trust that some of what he wants to do to Maine would be acceptable if all of the facts are known.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. Maybe….people will actually have to be responsible for their children for a change.

  • Anonymous

    LePage doesn’t want ANY input from anyone who isn’t in agreement with his agenda. The “Dictator” wants what he wants and he’ll do whatever it takes to get it. Wait until he sees how this bill change “blows up” on him because there will be a lot of people getting hurt with these fireworks. People who have little or NO income ( as well as brains) who will be going to the emergency rooms for serious injuries and guess who will get stuck with the bill? How will that ease the burden on the taxpayer? Do you really think these same people will flock to some education seminar? They already think they’re smarter than everyone else! LePage is a perfect example of that mentality! He doesn’t need any input from some Fire Marshall; nooooo……..

  • Mungo Munro

    Here is the info Lepage didn’t want us to know.
    ….What is the cost of fireworks-related property damage?
    An estimated 22,500 reported fires were started by fireworks in 2008. These fires resulted in $42 million in direct property damage.5

  • Anonymous

    The problem with your statement of letting people make their own decisions and “take responsibility for their own actions” is that people DON”T take responsibility for their actions anymore and as a result the TAXPAYER gets stuck with the burden of paying for their mistakes. Just because you’ve never SEEN anyone get hurt by fireworks doesn’t mean it doesn’t HAPPEN all the time. OUR tax dollars will go to pay for the hospital bills that will inevitably be generated by allowing this bill to pass. I personally don’t want to pay the bill for some nitwit to go have his hand, eye or whatever taken care of because of a one day party.

  • Anonymous

    The problem is, we have a Governor who doesn’t HAVE any COMMON SENSE!

  • Anonymous

    You insist this wouldn’t affect anyone but the person using the fireworks, but you’re WRONG. It would affect ALL TAXPAYERS once the hospital bills start mounting from people who will be using them without any knowledge of HOW to use them or who will be DRINKING while using them. Also, there will ALWAYS be the Yahoo who has to have the BIGGEST and the BADDEST display and who will inevitably cause a BIG, BAD FIRE!

  • Anonymous

    Those that blow off their fingers will cost the rest of us taxpayers a LOT of money in hospital bills they CAN’T AFFORD to pay! Are YOU willing to pick up the tab?

  • Anonymous

    And we’ve got plenty of DUMB people to go around…..starting with our Governor!

  • Anonymous

    And if it was YOUR job to bust your butt putting out the fire, you’d have a different opinion! And if it was YOUR house next door the to one burning down, you’d have a different opinion!

  • Anonymous

    Here’s a thought……..let them lift the present regulations fireworks, BUT, stipulate that anyone injuring themselves while using them be required to pay the hospital bill out of their own pocket as well as any other property damage done to their house or their neighbor’s.

  • Anonymous

    Bring in Fire Marshall Bill from In Living Color, he will set them straight.
    Relax people..
    There are other States with firework’s that are legal…..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1063165669 Jill Fletcher

    Y’know since the fire marshal is silenced the way he is- Someone should go ask the Maine State GAME WARDENS what they think.

    This is Maine, too many trees… this is a good way to start a forest fire. Smokey the Bear would be against this :(

  • Anonymous

    Henny Penny should have only sparklers, gloves, goggles and pail of water.
    The responsible among us can choose the big, fun boxes with lots of artwork and warning labels.

  • Anonymous

    I think that the Government should step back and allow people to celebrate with fireworks. I am really getting tired of the “officials,” trying to think for us. The stimulus bill gave fire authorities more then enough funding – they don’t even know what to do with it all so I don’t think there is cause for concern there, the money’s been spent already. As others have said, fireworks should have never been banned in the first place. Some people are forgetting that it used to be guns fired while riding through the streets on horseback to celebrate. Have you read our U.S. Constitution recently? If not please do and consider who wrote it and why it was written.
    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

  • Anonymous

    With all the Tea party flavor of “less government” am wondering does this mean legalizing marijuana, gay marriage, prostitution, and ending the right to life lobby? Or are they just going to keep the DBT, legalize fireworks, and whatever suits them? Just wondering. Think we all know the answer. :)

  • Anonymous

    Keeping anyone from voicing their opinion is rather communist to say the least! Seems this administration wants us to be more like China! No regulations on business, screw the environment, and let’s not allow those who don’t agree with us to have a voice! Wether or not more fireworks should be sold in the state is irrelevant when a citizen is silenced. Shameful.

  • Anonymous

    I think you should go back and read the quote from the governor on why the Fire Marshall would not be testifying. Also, the Fire Marshall will be working with the committee in their work sessions.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s not forget how American Chinese fireworks are, why would anyone what to change that, we need to import more stuff from China, right?

    If this is people first or a way to create jobs, we better start practicing duck and cover again. Looks like LePage is intent on re-visiting experiments in social Darwinism.

  • Anonymous

    One of the Founders said that Independence Day should always be celebrated with fireworks.

    Sorry. If the Doctor is going after SPARKLERS he wants too much ‘safety.’ We knew as kids to NOT TOUCH them. Obviously, they require supervision and common sense. There is going to be a limit on what can be sold and used. Hopefully, the limit will be based on some sound judgement.

    If you had some legal fireworks to use, you could have some standards of what was sold, and some training available for safe usage, and everyone could be happy. Except those who believe that they are the only ones who can make decisions and every other adult in this state and nation needs to be controlled.

  • Anonymous

    It’s all about the JOBS! Just think how many people will finally land a high-paying job selling firecrackers! Now THIS is economic development. This is gonna create the biggest wave of jobs to surge over Maine since…since…since the tsunami of employment resulting from FINALLY getting an official dessert designation for whoopie pies! Heck, the whoopie pie industry had to bring on 3 new temporary part time workers just to meet the increased demand… caused by the table full of whoopie pies at the state house on public hearing day!

  • Larry T. Doughty

    Oh no Governor LePage, how dare you step on those bureaucrats. Time to lighten up on disallowing fireworks in Maine. Better get used to it, as this will occur several times more. Nothing personal by the gov., just wants more positive responses other from those in command. A little more perspective. What’s wrong with that?

  • Larry T. Doughty

    Nothing communistic about it, when the same ol comments are made over and over. Everybody knows exactly how some of those bureaucrats will testify. Who’s in charge here? I think we know..

  • Anonymous

    Many people don’t take responsibility for their own actions because for decades other people have been making decisions for them. A majority of us DO take responsibility, and are perfectly capable of buckling our seatbelts and lighting a sparkler without some government official forcing us to do one and not do the other.

  • Anonymous

    Kids fingers? How about eyes? What does Maine Bureau of Rehabilitation spend each year on help for the blind? Is it more than the anticipated tax and licensing revenue from this bill? How about the the special educations costs for the blind? How about the lost income tax revenue from the blind person? How about the tax funded disability benefits?

    When you add up the foreseeable costs (beyond property damage) to our society this bill is a loser. But don’t let that get in the way of your profits for business. And when the tort lawyers representing the hypothetical blinded child sue you my good businessman, we can listen to you whine about how unfair it is to hold you responsible for the consequences of your profit.

  • Anonymous

    Another person who can’t read or comprehend what he read. Go read the article, again, and try to understand that the Fire Marshall will be working with the committee during their work sessions, and why his testimony at the hearing might embarass the Fire Marshall not the Governor.

  • Anonymous

    You are going to have such a long eight years of foaming at the mouth.

  • Anonymous

    The total effect of teaching in this state for the last half century. NONE of you ever took comprehensive reading.

  • Anonymous

    The bill will not legalize ALL types of fireworks. It is based on federal regulations. In fact the article states that during workshops some of the types of fireworks will be excluded. AND. The fire marshall will be in those workshops helping the committee decide what to keep and what to exclude.

    It is a lot easier for some people to go on their tirades if they can’t understand what they read.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t your side trying to get us to all pay for everyone’s health care? Aren’t you in favor of forcing everyone to have medical insurance? No tax money.

  • Anonymous

    I buy all my fireworks in New Hampshire anyway. Then I shoot them off in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    Bartak, do you even pay taxes? Have a job?

  • Anonymous

    Is this an example of LePage opening government up, making government more transparent, by forbidding experts, and the fire marshall IS arguably an expert on incendiaries, access to committee hearings to express an expert opinion?

    Let’s strain municipal governments even more by encouraging more fires with less regulation of fireworks. I guess maybe more fires might mean more firefighting jobs… yeah, that must be what LePage has in mind.

    Having lived on a lake for the past twenty years, a large proportion of the fireworks displays that appeared around the lake on the 4th, and they have been getting more numerous and better and better over the past several years, so much so I didn’t need to go any further than my front yard to watch several entertaining displays at once, are from the summer people that come from out of state. It is certainly enjoyable but I don’t imagine add much revenue to the state with folks bringing in fireworks purchased out of state. The summer people are here with their cash, and I suppose that adds to their summer fun. But the fact that they are illegal now has hardly stopped the improvements or number of displays people are shooting off.

  • Anonymous

    I suppose that a state that doesn’t require helmets for motorcyclists wouldn’t have a problem with people playing with roman candles and bottle rockets—depends on what your view of government safety regulations happens to be–encroaching nanny state or sensible laws—btw I do see the expanded sale of fireworks to be an opportunity for trial lawyers–just sayin’

  • Anonymous

    It would be nice if fireworks were legal as governor LePage intends! It is about time this liberal nanny state ends! Liberals…STAY OUT OF OUR LIVES!

  • Anonymous

    I95 goes south, also, you know.

  • Anonymous

    If I volunteer to pay strangers’ medical bills, it gives me zero authority to dictate how they live: it’s my choice and the consequences are all on my head. Same thing when the state chooses to pay people’s medical bills.

  • Anonymous

    Typical anti-government conservative slur… “bureaucrats.” I wonder where whiners like you would be if all these “bureaucrats” just went away. Seems anti-social to me, anti-American even. These “bureaucrats,” such as a fire marshall, or a police chief provide a good public service. Yeah, Doughty, they deserve the disrespect, the denigration, the rightwing slime thrown on their efforts to make our society livable and safe.

    How about “a little more perspective?” That might be too much to ask from people like you.

  • Larry T. Doughty

    Calm down now. Let’s get into the real world here. You too, need to re-read the article, to understand what it’s all about. No disrespect of the bureaucrats from here, or from the Governor, as I deal with them daily. So, get over your hateful remarks.

  • Tyke

    The ULTIMATE nanny state is the one where the chief executive decides which set of facts the citizens get to hear, based 100% on ideological.

    Lepage is treating Maine citizens like little children who can’t possible handle the truth and make our own decisions — that is as nanny state as it gets.

  • Anonymous

    The lack of education here is amazing! Do you not realize the money the “STATE” pays for people’s medical bills comes out of OUR POCKETS?!! WE are the “STATE” and NO I DON’T CHOOSE to pay for someone else’s dumb choices and consequences!! So YES, I feel the state DOES have the right to reign in the actions of those who aren’t CAPABLE of making WISE decisions. WAKE UP!!

  • Anonymous

    Mummie was run out Dodge in november.

    I guess we’ll have to make our own way now.

    Thankyou gov Lepage.

  • Anonymous

    I think that’s funny, since wingnuts could not possibly be labeled hypocrites. I really don’t care if fireworks are legal or not, but LePage’s attempt at total elimination of one side of an argument is telling. THAT’S what makes me a little uncomfortable. No balance. No common sense. “My way or the highway.” I thought this was going to be a FUN show to watch, but it’s slowly turning darker.

  • Anonymous

    What a lame excuse! Let’s not minimize this by trying to make it out that this is only about allowing puny little sparklers either because we know it’s more than that.

  • Anonymous

    Real world, huh?

    “Oh no Governor LePage, how dare you step on those bureaucrats.”

    “Everybody knows exactly how some of those bureaucrats will testify.”

    Let me ask you again, where would you whiners be if these bureaucrats all just went away? Take your anti-government BS elsewhere. Stop tearing down the people, offices, means to help us get to a better society. Once you people look beyond your own selfish and narrow interests you might find a community worth standing up for.

  • Tyke

    So the Fire marshal is a bureaucrat, huh?

    Then that would make all of the chiefs of police and fire departments mere bureaucrats too, right? We shouldn’t listen to their opinions on safety issues either?

    Heck, by your special variety of “reasoning”, Generals in our Armed Services are nothing more than bureaucrats! How dare they be so arrogant as to offer their expert opinions about the use of our troops.

    D*mned bureaucrats anyway! Governor Lepage knows more than ANY technical experts!

    /sarcasm

    (tag added because some of the pro Lepage comments are so out there someone might actually believe I mean this!)

  • Tyke

    Actually the biggest economic growth may be in the medical services industry treating all of the injuries. Brilliant!

  • Larry T. Doughty

    You obviously know little about who you are commenting on. Do your homework. We have one of the very best local governments right here in Brewer, and I am mighty pro. Smarten up.

  • Millicent

    well, if we go by that reasoning….lol perhaps it’s time that we legalize MJ…a lot of people use it anyway, and many businesses could benefit from it :)

  • Anonymous

    Oh right, and fireworks is going to change people’s parenting skills. Give me a break!

  • Anonymous

    And chances are you would be one of the first and loudest of the whiners when your house burns down due to some drunk yahoo who just shot a “Super-charged Mega-Death Fire-Breathing Dragon Rocket” through your front window. Whiners. Like children that don’t know what’s good for them.

  • Tyke

    Gag orders to public servants is very typical of Communists regimes. Lepage has ordered staff to not even answer privately asked questions from legislators without sending their answers through his office first.

    This is an unprecedented power grab and indicates that neither Lepage or you have any idea what the meaning of “public servant” is.

  • Diogenes

    Well, we certainly wouldn’t want the professional judgment of a qualified expert to get in the way of the big loudmouth dummy from Marden’s.

  • Tyke

    The game Wardens are under a Lepage gag order, like all state employees, and are not allowed to even answer privately asked questions on policy issues without having their answers vetted by Lepage’s office first.

  • Anonymous

    MY side??? What side is that? Don’t assume…it’s ignorant!

  • Larry T. Doughty

    Oh, there you go, another rant here. Did I put down bureaucrats? I deal with them daily, and like them. What the heck are you talking about. Another no-nothing comment. Get yourself educated.

  • Tyke

    Gag orders against technical experts by government executives is NOT as American as apple pie however.

    That is more typical of a communist regime.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the laugh!!

  • Tyke

    Typical name calling response from someone with nothing factual to counter a strong valid answer.

  • Anonymous

    The stimulus bill gave fire authorities more than enough funding…. what planet are you living on?

  • Anonymous

    Yes I do and I resent having to take care of (pay taxes for ) those who lack good judgement.

  • Tyke

    When are you leaving?

  • Anonymous

    WE are the “STATE” and NO I DON’T CHOOSE to pay for someone else’s dumb choices and consequences!!

    If we are the state then we (including you) did choose to pay for ‘dumb choices’. Of course, we aren’t the state, just the taxpayers; but even if we were, voluntarily spending our money on other’s expenses wouldn’t give us any say in what those expenses were.

  • Larry T. Doughty

    What is it about you folks, that make such comments. Get over yourself, and the hated that some are showing for Governor LePage. It may be high time that some 0f the bureaucrats were resigned in. Probably, hasn’t been done in years. Why would anybody with any common sense not support that idea. Was there any of this going on with Governor Baldacci? You don’t care would be my thinking. It only pertains to this governor.

  • Anonymous

    You can have legal, safe fireworks or a throng of people “capping off” thier guns. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

  • Tyke

    How about a compromise then?

    When single payer health care is the law of the land they should pass this bill.

  • Anonymous

    Pat yourself on the back, Doughty. I don’t care if you are the Pope’s first cousin. You people are whiners. And that certainly doesn’t disqualify you from holding public office. Congress was just filled with them. Or from having opinions that serve your own narrow interests.

  • Anonymous

    The only problem is, nobodys house is burning down. There is more of a chance of the house next door burning down due to a chimney fire. I guess we should ban people from having a fire in their home. The house next door to yours could burn afterall.

    Do liberals ever have a solid reason for anything they do?

  • Tyke

    The majority of Maine citizens who oppose Lepage are not going to take a page from the Sarah Palin playbook and cut and run the minute the going gets tough, so you might as well stop telling people to leave just because they voice an opinion in opposition to the governor’s.

    In fact your comment telling someone to “just go away” for exercising their constitutional rights by speaking out is extremely unAmerican .

  • Anonymous

    I’m not VOLUNTEERING my money when I pay taxes which is why I have a problem with it being spent on FRIVOLOUS things like paying hospital bills for the IGNORANT! But hey, YOU can voluteer all your hard earned paycheck all you want.

  • Tyke

    Gag orders against technical experts by government executives is NOT as American as apple pie however.

    That is more typical of a communist regime.

  • Larry T. Doughty

    That is Mr Doughty to you. You really don’t have to make your comments personal. There certainly is room for opinions of all shades. You need to learn that, and the sooner the better.

  • Anonymous

    The Fire Marshall should have been present to speak in behalf of safety. Most of us know this will be a problem for some especially those who get hurt or hurt others in the process of having fun. Thi will become a problem in the future when people don’t use common sense. Like everything else, some will spoil it for others. I just hope people and especially younger ones be very careful otherwise, we will be hearing about those who lost a hand or fingers to lighting fire works

  • Anonymous

    And what happens when your ignorant redneck drunk neighbor accidently shoots a “Flaming Susan rocket on to your roof and burns your house to the ground?

  • Anonymous

    Let’s form an ad hoc committee of citizens who will compile and submit to the Governor a list of scary, dangerous things which require regulation by statute and abolition. That way, Maine will be a much safer place.

    I think the first commodity that cries out and begs for regulation is paper. The type of paper found in copiers and printers throughout our State. Every day, hundreds of Mainers sustain annoying and painful paper cuts due to their sharp edges.

    If safer paper can’t be produced, then it should be made illegal. The heck with the mills that produce it and the jobs they provide.

  • Anonymous

    How many people are hurt every year by charcoal grills and the lighter fluid used to start them? We should ban them as well. Lawnmowers, lawn tractors, power tools.

    Using the logic of the nanny state EVERYTHING should be banned unless you have a safety course and a state license.

  • Anonymous

    Yes you see but liberals want complete control of that bubble. They need their cars so they can drive to Whole Foods, the Recycling Center and the Farmers Market.

  • Anonymous

    HARDLY ……….This guy will not last the year before the voters act to recall him. He’s obviously got some serious problems.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed. The danger, as I see it, in this type of anti-government attitude, even by people who get themselves elected to government, is it tears the institution apart from within, making it less effective, less efficient, the exact opposite to what they claim they are trying to do.

    Grover Norquist put it the most succinctly when he said he wanted to shrink government to the size it can be drowned in a bathtub. This is the attitude behind the “small government” mantra. Forget about what protections people need to keep their jobs sites safe, their health, their dignity. The environment is there to be trampled on and profited from.

    Fireworks are so easy to get and to fire off, this “issue” is certainly NOT going to do a dang thing when it comes to fixing our economy.

  • newportres

    He is not an outside technical expert. He is a bought and payed for government agent and as such he works for the administration in power.
    Government agents at any level are not allowed to speak where and when they wish.
    Nothing new here and exactly the way your president in washington does things.

  • Anonymous

    80% of other states allow them.

  • Anonymous

    Reason not necessary. Just emotion.

  • Anonymous

    I have to stay.
    JEB gave me the job of turning the lights off after everybody has left.

  • Anonymous

    Eff the nanny state!

  • Anonymous

    How about the cost to taxpayers and danger to firemen fighting the fires this law is sure to bring on.

  • newportres

    No administration allows agencies they control to speak out against them.
    You act like this is the first time you have ever heard of such a thing.

  • Anonymous

    Here we go again. Gov. LePage continues to demonstrate his inability to see the big picture. Is $400,000 in revenue worth the risk that some child will be permanently blinded or seriously hurt by using “legal” fireworks? Fireworks are fun, their festive, and their dangerous in the wrong hands. And yes, accidents do happen – all the time. Gov. LePage should spend every waking moment getting our fiscal house in order, lowering the cost of doing business, and making sure Maine is as competitive as it can be. We can always hire a pyrotechnics company to do a professional display to celebrate all the new businesses that come to Maine during your reign as governor. Focus on that and we’ll all be safer and much happier.

  • Anonymous

    Simple solution that addresses your objection to the state paying “for someone else’s dumb choices”.

    The state should stop paying for peoples medical bills period.

    You said: “So YES, I feel the state DOES have the right to reign in the actions of those who aren’t CAPABLE of making WISE decisions.”

    How do you propose the state reign in the actions of people who make poor choices like getting in car accidents, or take drugs, or get pregnant, or 100 other stupid things?

  • Anonymous

    So fireworks need to stay banned because some drunk MIGHT throw something through my window and you don’t want to listen to me whine about that? A drunk MIGHT throw a rock through my window, knocking over my candle and burning down my house.

    BAN ROCKS and candles. Those will be next from the liberals.

  • Anonymous

    If you have not seen the pictures at this site posted earlier by Mungo Munro, go there now:

    http://www.unboundedmedicine.com/2006/03/20/do-not-explode-a-firecracker-in-your-hand-never/

    Then, you tell me you want LESS regulation of fireworks…..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FAFPBUNT45MDVT46IWVGOEDQLQ Thomas

    Get real peoples! The point here is that the bill was submitted by the executive branch…..why should the governor let an EMPLOYEE of the executive branch testify against it? Move on with your lives.

  • Anonymous

    LePage has the authority as governor to tell state employees what they can do officially representing the state.

    If the fire marshal feels that strongly about the issue he could have taken the day of and testified at the hearing as a private citizen. That would be the extent of his first amendment right. That right does not include speaking as a representative of the state.

  • Anonymous

    Fireworks are always available ,just you have to buy them in another state or province. Maine is losing money in taxes and business. I guess why they are not legal is because the former governors know more then anyone else. Thank God we have a governor in Paul LePage that has common sense. and is not afraid to tell it like it is. You people who want the government to tell you every move to make move to Cuba. By the way do not worry about medical costs WEEEEEE have Obamacare

  • Anonymous

    Don, u r so right in everything you have said! God bless you. Maybe you should run for governor after Lepages (hopeful) 8 years. You’ve got my vote sir.

  • Anonymous

    It seems as though some people are forgetting who pays for taking care of fires in the state of Maine – if there is a forest fire, that is paid for out of state funding. Fireworks are dangerous; has anyone seen the amount of care that goes into preparing a town fireworks show? You have to make sure that you handle things carefully and appropriately. Sure, I think sparklers are fun, and I love going to watch the town fireworks once or twice a year during the summer, but the amount of regulation that would have to be established with this would not be easy, and it would not come cheap. Getting a permit to have a bonfire during the summer months during dry season is regulated, you have to say what you are going to have around you (hose, bucket, rake…) to help you put out the fire if it gets too large. Are you going to stop people from using these when it is deemed a ‘high fire’ risk day? What about the areas of land that you can use these in? Should I be allowed to set them off from a roof of an apartment complex on a busy street? There are reasons that fireworks shows have safety officials present and regulations set about what they can do.

    I agree with the person who said that you have to consider the type of individual who could potentially use these fireworks. Sitting around at a summer camp, drinking a few beers, and lighting some fireworks off over the lake/pond seems like a great, fun idea – but you need to have the proper safety training, which the medical professionals in the state do not feel would be provided, to have it done correctly. Go ahead and sell them all you want in the state – generate a profit from them if you want to, but be careful about what you pass allowing people to USE them.

  • Mungo Munro

    Easy. I’m on your side.

  • Anonymous

    Or maybe you are the drunk yahoo that likes to shoot fireworks at their liberal neighbor’s house.

    Fireworks are very easy to get and to fire off. Like my original comment says, I have lived on a lake for the past twenty years. The fireworks displays every year get more impressive and more numerous. All sorts of things are illegal, some with very good cause, but are pretty easy to get a hold of. That isn’t as much the issue.

    Barring an expert from testifying… I know, it all gets so tedious year in and year out hearing this guy talk about fireworks safety… is not open government. It is not transparent government. Forbidding state officials from talking to legislators without first clearing it through the Gov’s office… whatever that is about… is bizarre.

  • Anonymous

    Legalize them so we don’t have to smuggle them in every year!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see anywhere in this article where the expertise on the matter is laid out. The word expertise is not used and there is not even a reference to knowledge on the subject, just the fact that he is opposed to them. It is liberals in the comments section here who have turned his opposition to fireworks into a PHD in there flaws. Maybe that IS the case but that is not laid out here. So why are all of you people making these claims? The fire marshall is against these because they can start fires. That is no mystery. What is a mystery is what makes our fire marshall the expert that liberals are calling him because those definitions are not used in the article that has everyone up in arms.

    Typical liberal move. The Fire Marshall who is against something LePage wants to do is now the liberals best friend and they are now even willing to call him an expert on something that is BANNED in Maine. Now why would he be an expert on something that is banned? Maybe he isn’t. Maybe he is just an expert on fire and pretty much opposes anything that could potentially start one.

  • Anonymous

    I’m tired of people like Mr. MacLean and Mr. Vickerson deciding what is “good for me”.

    I want to know what these people do in their spare time for recreation. I’m sure they do something that has a risk of injury. Maybe Golf? Boating? Fishing? Then i want to introduce a bill to ban that activity. “For their own good”.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know of any instance when a house has burned down due to the misuse of fireworks.

  • Anonymous

    Please present some facts from the article that lay out the fire marshalls expertise?

  • Anonymous

    This moonbat likes the idea of being able to use fireworks….

  • Tyke

    There’s a group already working on the legal wording of a citizen’s petition to create a recall provision in Maine law and order a recall election for the governor the minute that law goes into effect.

    I predict the referendum will win with huge margins at the ballot box, but then the legislature and governor will kill it before it becomes law.

    The best bet in restraining destructive excesses being pushed by Lepage’s owners/handlers is:

    1) Short term – challenge him in the courts as he tries to gut laws that often have a strong basis in federal regulations and are tied to federal funding. See articles on the apparent illegally of his appointment for DEP Commissioner. A very good first move.

    New laws are put on hold once a lawsuit is in place and there are many possible legal reasons to challenge complex laws. The suits and appeals could take years.

    Of course the far right will whine about this, but it exactly the same technique they have used for years and is 100% legitimate as long as any reasonable basis is found to challenge the legality of a new law or rule.

    2) Medium term – turn the legislature back over to Democrats and only progressive Republicans in 2012. All reasonable Maine voters need to work to oust the worst of the legislative offenders who support Lepage in any onerous legislation.

    This is a statewide issue and we must be prepared to donate and work in other districts than our own for the sake of the state.

    3) If efforts to oust him before then don’t work (and they probably won’t unless he pulls a Palin and cuts and runs as soon as things get tough for him when the legislature flips or the referendum makes it glaringly obvious how little support he has) – throw him out by the elective process in 2014.

  • Anonymous

    The Fire Marshall is a state employee, last I checked LeRage is his boss. You can’t work for a school and air an opinion that little johnny’s mom is a wh0re and little timmy is a dipshiat. Unless he’s covered under the Whistle Blower’s protection act, free speech as a job function is limited.

  • Anonymous

    It’s more fun than I had hoped.
    Stay tuned.

  • Anonymous

    And think of the snack tax revenues.

  • Anonymous

    No balance? What politician brings along people to testify who oppose his point of view? Show me one Obama official who he has volunteered to capital hill who went there to point out how wrong Obama is? Politicians don’t knowingly commit suicide. None of them. If LePage has this within his right as governor, I don’t see what he is doing wrong. He might as well move on to something else if he is going to send the fire marshall to contradict him. That would be stupid. I think the Fire Marshalls opinion is pretty well known on this issue and I don’t see what he would add that wasn’t already on the record. Given how lawmakers operate I would bet that they all have his previous statements right in front of them and are well aware of how he feels. This is just another example of the left freaking out because that is what they do and that is what they are going to do so long as they are out of control. When they get back in, they will support the same behavior from their guy and they will still be here calling other people names and insisting that we need a nanny state to protect everyone.

  • Anonymous

    If the fire marshal feels that strongly about the issue he could have taken the day off and testified at the hearing as a private citizen. That would be the extent of his first amendment right. That right does not include speaking as a representative of the state.

  • Mungo Munro

    Lepage doesn’t care. Profits for Chinese factories first Americans are not even in the top ten.

  • Anonymous

    People drink and drive now. Dead honest question, what is your stance on the automobile?

  • Tyke

    I heard a lot of testimony from state government experts in opposition to proposals by Baldacci. They tended to present themselves as officially “neither for nor against” then they proceeded to cite laws and facts that obviously were directly in opposition to the proposal. They were presented and perceived as technical experts giving facts and citing best practices.

    I don’t have references because it was such a common occurrence and no sane person would ever expect a governor to issue a sweeping gag order forbidding any communication from state employees without a review by the governor’s office, so why would anyone make note of normal expected behavior?

    Lepage’s gag order (sent to ALL employees in at least some departments, maybe all) is unprecedented and is clearly indicates he is a bully and a coward.

  • Anonymous

    Dude, you are making incoherent statements on the website of the Bangor Daily News. Our Governor has no common sense? Look in the mirror if you actually aren’t too scared to have glass in your house.

  • Anonymous

    And it could just be that he doesn’t want liberal bureaucrats actively undermining the administration.

  • Anonymous

    I’m sort of amazed and disappointed how people are taking him to task for this — it’s loosening a regulation to help business. I’m a ‘moonbat lib’rul’ and even I recognize that this could be good for business and could bring tax revenue despite the one or two people who would probably hurt themselves doing something stupid and hurt themseleves any way…

  • Anonymous

    Well, while they’re at it, lets legalize pot and get the revenue from that as well. Far less dangerous than fireworks.

  • Anonymous

    WE are the “STATE” and NO I DON’T CHOOSE to pay for someone else’s dumb choices and consequences!! So YES, I feel the state DOES have the right to reign in the actions of those who aren’t CAPABLE of making WISE decisions. WAKE UP!!
    ************************************************
    I think, then, the STATE should sterilize anyone on welfare or any other government aid, since they make dumb choices wrt their choice of sex partner.
    Most Mainers ARE fully awake—it is the ones like you, who are still snoozing in la-la land.

  • Anonymous

    Lewis Carroll’s logic best describes Lepage and this article. I hope this clears things up. :)

    “Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
    The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
    Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
    The frumious Bandersnatch!”

  • Anonymous

    Funny, I thought they were Chinese…

  • Tyke

    The State Fire Marshal is a position created by statute that was created the lead fire expert in the state.

    You specially twisted “logic” would mean that chiefs of police and fire chiefs must be forbidden from calling attention to unsafe local policies because they too are government agents.

    That is beyond ludicrous.

  • Anonymous

    If the Fire Marshall, who there are no comments from btw, wishes to sue because his rights were taken away, that is why we have a court system. Typical liberal move, threaten legal action. Too bad our Fire Marshall is white or the ACLU could come running to Maine to take up your point.

    If you want to have a civil conversation and ask a serious question, go for it but I’m not playing your games of legal action and Freedom of Speech. Not when all you liberals were up in arms blaming the words of conservatives for the killing of a 9 year old girl. You are all big supporters of free speech when it matches your argument and here is another example and you have the gall to run around calling others hypocritical? Come on man!

  • Anonymous

    The Fire Marshall will work with the committee if they call on him for his expertise.

  • Anonymous

    I would not assume they were fireworks.

  • Tyke

    The State Fire Chief, appointed by the Commissioner of Public Safety based on specific requirements, is now a “liberal bureaucrat” just because he would testify truthfully if allowed to???

    Wow.

  • Tyke

    You could just reach in from NH to hit the switch you know.

  • Anonymous

    He already has the input of the Fire Marshall and the Fire Marshalls previous statements are on the record. Any decent lawmaker, R or D should be able to find his point of view without hearing it again directly.

    You maybe need to read this article, or better yet have someone read it to you.

  • http://travelah.blogspot.com/ A.M. Mallett

    Legalize them and get another intrusive aspect of government out of our lives.

  • Anonymous

    Nowhere in this article does it claim or even hint that the Fire Marshall is the MOST QUALIFIED person in the state. You have just annointed him that today because his view (against LePage) lines up with yours on this issue. The article says he has opposed fireworks in the past. That is all we know from this article.

  • Anonymous

    Children often choke on hot dogs. Ban them.

    Children often choke on coins they put in their mouth. Ban Coins!

  • http://www.facebook.com/lpilot Lisa Pilot

    Wow, how refreshing and maverick-y of the Governor.

  • Anonymous

    why is it okay for LePage to outright ban the fire marshall from exercising his 1st Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech? That is a blatant example of the government denying the constitutional rights of a citizen.
    ************************************
    sorry, you are wrong. He may speak at the scheduled time set aside for PUBLIC comment if he wishes to “exercise his 1st amendment right to freedom of speech”.

  • http://www.dirigoblue.com Gerald Weinand

    Who will LePage ban from testifying before a legislative hearing? Will scientists that oppose his environmental roll-backs be banned out of fairness? Workers at the Bureau of Pesticides?

    And why should these people feel awkward about testifying against something the Governor supports? Fear of losing their job?

  • Anonymous

    it’s not the fireworks to me,its the idea of someones opinion that is supposedly valued not being able to speak

  • Tyke

    No prior Maine Governor has ordered state employees to NEVER speak to any legislator without sending their answers/comments through the governor’s office for approval.

    No prior Maine Governor has forbidden technical experts from testifying openly and honestly before a legislative hearing. NEVER

    If you believe otherwise – cite a legitimate non partisan reference ( the heritage foundation or right wing blogs do not count) then. I don’t really expect one because there is none.

    Governors do control the message from their policy making staff. That is entirely normal and expected. Lepage has gone FAR beyond that standard. State employees down to the lowest levels have gotten written orders not to ever talk to any legislator without vetting their words!

    Lepage’s gag order shows he is afraid of having the truth get out. His action clearly demonstrates that he is both a bully and a coward.

  • newportres

    Not spin just fact and one at other times I’m sure you would justify since every administration at every level does exactly the same thing.
    Generals that speak out with opposite opinions of the president are forced to retire.
    Police Chiefs and Fire Chiefs who go against City Hall most often are the ones that leave office.
    All of these people are government employees paid by and expected to live by policy.
    Even down to the City level this applies.
    No Manager allows his subordinates to publicly challenge his positions for long.
    You have never had a problem with this before LePage but now you claim it is communism?
    Do you think it is coincidence that every one in the Obama regime agrees with all of his policies?

  • Anonymous

    Funny, when I go to the emergency room or anywhere else for medical service, a bill comes in the mail. Not sure why I wouldn’t get that bill if I hurt myself with fireworks. And if I burn down the property next door, my guess is that would be my responsibility as well.

    What needs to change in the laws? What laws says now that your medical bill will be paid by others? My medical bills don’t get paid by others, they get paid by me.

  • Tyke

    Gag orders are “maverick-y”???

    Did you forget a /sarcasm tag?

    Gag orders are actually a very typical weapon of bullies and cowards.

  • Centaurmyst

    Apparently you are speaking about yourself with that response seeing as your first “sentence” isn’t a sentence at all. It is a sentence fragment. You must have left out Grammar 101 for a reason…

  • Anonymous

    I just think it is really strange to bar someone from speaking on something. It sounds like wrestling where they ban someone from ringside that would be for or against one side or the other. It just doesn’t make much sense to me.

  • Anonymous

    You insist this wouldn’t affect anyone but the person using the fireworks, but you’re WRONG. It would affect ALL TAXPAYERS once the hospital bills start mounting from people who will be using them without any knowledge of HOW to use them or who will be DRINKING while using them. Also, there will ALWAYS be the Yahoo who has to have the BIGGEST and the BADDEST display and who will inevitably cause a BIG, BAD FIRE!
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    Perhaps if you cited the total number of injuries, fires, etc., that are completely attributed to the use of legal fireworks in, say, New Hampshire, you would sound a bit more credible, instead of sounding like Chicken Little.

  • Tyke

    Most folks taking him to task here are not objecting to the fireworks themselves but to Lepage’s cowardly gag order of technical experts.

    If the proposal is a good one then it should stand the test of an honest and open debate. Lepage’s approach of blocking testimony would make it appear that he himself doesn’t believe the idea would survive a full open discussion. Otherwise why doesn’t he allow expert testimony from anyone with information to add?

  • Anonymous

    Great, ban the guy with the most merit and credentials from speaking because his opinion differs from yours.

  • Anonymous

    I was talking to a guy last year from down south and he was talking about all the fireworks they light off. I asked him if there are a lot of kids getting hurt by fireworks. He thought about it and said he couldn’t think of any. It doesn’t sound to me like the dangerous activity that big brother would have us believe. I think an accident is a one in a million chance and blown way out of proportion like everything else that is supposed to be bad for us. Parents, teach your children well.

  • Anonymous

    An accident is just that….an ACCIDENT….something BEYOND ones ability to control. Now, drug addiction and pregnancy? Poor CHOICES which I believe should be the RIGHT of the people who presently PAY for these poor choices ( the taxpayers) to decide to STOP paying for.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    Are you shooting fire beams from your grill into the dry forest? The forest on which basically Maine’s entire ecomony relies upon? It’s not worth risking our precious commodities for a few extra bucks in sales tax revenue.

  • Anonymous

    I think if you compare fireworks with snowmobiles as far as safety goes, you will find that more people have been kill and injured on snowmobiles than with fireworks in this state, but do we take the snowmobiles away, no we just make them go even faster, how many people have been kill on snowmobiles in the last ten years. So the key word here again is common sense. I have been around fireworks all my life, and even made it, but not once did i even come close to getting hurt. People have to be held accountable for there own action you can’t be with them 24-7. If fireworks is legalized in this state you would have more controlled then you do now, they are buying it in other states and bring it back here and using it, so what is the difference, your not going to be able to stop it so why not legalized it and make a little revenue.

  • Anonymous

    Anybody that is paid by the State testifies for the State. His testimony would be meaningless anyway. Fire = bad, we know already.

  • Anonymous

    No, it is not inherently wrong. It is perfectly legal. If the fire marshall wants to give his “expert testimony” he may do so during the public comment session.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    Seriously, people, stop being so clueless. As a child, I would take my mother’s hairspray and light it on fire because I thought it was funny.

    Children are taught everything, it doesn’t mean they aren’t curious. Thus the reason we have drug addicts and teen moms.

  • Anonymous

    To legalize fireworks is one thing but to ban the state fire marshal from testifying against them because you are in favor of it is another. In the process, whether fireworks are made legal or not, ALL sides of the argument must be heard. Our state fire marshal is there representing the safety of the public, our safety with out the blinders of dollar bills involved. I agree the state needs money but is fireworks the way to do it. I just don’t know.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    It would be pretty difficult for a young child to get his hands on a lobster boat and bring it out to sea. Completely different situation.

  • Anonymous

    It is really scary that ther are people out there with this nuts take on things. The I am smarter than everyone else and I am here to protect you defense is as scary a political position I can imagine.

    My guess would be that this Bartak doesn’t like loud noises and hates the 4th of July. That is what all this outrage over fireworks is really about.

  • Anonymous

    Personally, I support legalizing consumer fireworks in Maine. Why should NH to our south and NB and Quebec to our East and West benefit from the sales of consumer fireworks and not Maine? BUT! For Gov. LePage to bar State Fire Marshal, John Dean from exercising his dissent is an affront to Democracy and likely a constitutional faux pas. This isn’t Russia!

  • Anonymous

    We agree on something! Yes, I too believe we shouldn’t necessarily sterilize women on welfare, but DEFINITELY turn the “money faucet” off if they produce ANOTHER baby they can’t support THEMSELVES!

  • Anonymous

    In fact, let’s take that extra step and forbid the fire fighter from talking.
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    there is nothing stopping the fire marshall from voicing his opinion at the public comment session that will be scheduled if and when the bill passes through committee.

  • Anonymous

    No, my outrage is over taxpayers paying for IGNORANCE.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    Sacrifice safety and potential for wildfires for $400,000? Not worth it.

  • Anonymous

    I have listened to a lot of legislative hearings and it has always been common to hear dissenting views from the experts. I have NEVER seen any Maine governor put a gag order on testifying or punish anyone for telling the truth
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    you have listened to the public comment sessions, not to “legislative hearings”. there is nothing stopping the fire marshall from voicing his opinion at the public comment session that will be scheduled if and when the bill passes through committee.

  • Anonymous

    You’re comparing apples to oranges.

  • Anonymous

    The article itself says that previous administrations have done the same thing.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    LePage was not elected by a mandate. He BARELY slipped into office by about 2,000 votes, and if you factor in the number of people who didn’t vote, he was elected by only about 20% of the people in Maine.

    The state’s Fire Marshall knows infinitely more about the dangers of fireworks than a former Marden’s manager. Our Clown-in-Chief has already managed to make Maine an embarassment in the national headlines, on several occasions (and he’s only been in office HOW long?)

    He’s already on thin ice with the people of Maine, and he should wake up and realize it.

  • Centaurmyst

    Don, I am not even a Democrat and you are constantly calling me a “liberal.” I am actually a moderate but anytime someone disagrees with you they are suddenly a liberal. What I am saying is true! True defenders of the Constitution cannot pick and choose when it comes to sticking up for and arguing in defense of the First Amendment. That does make it hypocritical. The ACLU doesn’t have to run to Maine…the ACLU is actually in every state. Guessing that you didn’t know that, so now you do.

    It’s difficult to have a civil conversation with you because you tend to be pretty rude and insulting to people. When you speak to people in that fashion then you are going to get a lot of sarcasm in return.

    As for the Arizona shootings, I do think the nastiness of the political tone has an influence on people with mental illness. I don’t think that conservatives are the only ones that cause the problem, though. It’s the radicals on BOTH sides that are the problem. Palin just happened to be getting a massive amount of air time and is especially obnoxious. She has become the poster child for political vitriol. That is the only reason she was being targeted. She can say what she wants, as can any politician, but with those words come responsibility and accountability and that comes with the territory.

    Aside from hate speech towards specific groups and those fools that protest at funerals I don’t support infringing upon the 1st Amendment. I’m also not a big fan of gun control and I despise drugs and vehemently oppose legalization. I’m all for the death penalty too. Each time you call me a liberal you lose more and more credibility because aside from supporting helping the needy and ill and believing in equality for all people my views actually lean slightly towards beings more conservative.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    Really? You are currently doing the same thing! Criticize Obama but support LePage. Make up your mind!

  • Anonymous

    How about the cost to taxpayers and danger to firemen fighting the fires this law is sure to bring on.
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    This bill is to REPEAL the law that banned private use of fireworks—that means that prior to the current law, citizens of Maine could buy and use fireworks just like they do in New Hampshire. Perhaps you could do some research on exactly how many fires, injuries, etc. occurred that were solely attributed to the use of fireworks when said fireworks were legal. I mean, if you want to sound credible, that is.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    True. The Governor is not out of his rights to bar the fire marshal from speaking at the hearings. It’s just wrong, whether legal or not, to bar the fire danger argument from a fireworks debate.

  • Anonymous

    Drivers frequently get into auto accidents. Some get killed. Every year snowmobilers get into accidents. Some of them get killed. Skiers occasionally get into accidents. And, on and on, and on. We don’t stop driving. We don’t stop sledding. And, we don’t stop skiing. If good sense is used no one gets hurt. It’s the same with consumer fireworks. If there were no fires, perhaps we would not we need a fire Marshall?

  • Anonymous

    As has already been pointed out, Lincoln Chafee, in Rhode Island barred all state employees from going on talk radio. And he is a Democrat. Of course you will say this isn’t Rhode Island, blah, blah, blah but for you to toss around words like unprecedented to try to prove your point just makes you look small, despite your attempts to use big words and look smart. I think you are a smart guy but you spend too much time manipulating what you are trying to say with untrue, embelishments. Say what you want to say and actually back it up with facts, not terms like ‘normal expected behavior’.

    Maybe you want to play these games and only want liberals to believe what you say. That is probably working so if that is goal, continue on. If you are trying to get anyone who disagrees with you to come around, stop with the exaggerations and the innuendo. It isn’t working. Using terms like communism and the like only devalidate your points because it shows what a true nut you really must be if you believe those things.

  • Anonymous

    Your comment is so true. People will take responsibility if they are expected to take care of themselves. The government has been making decisions and intruding into personal decisions for too long. The more the government does, the less some will do for themselves. I don’t like the Big Brother form of government. I had parents who gave me advice and then let me make my own choices. The government takes a strangle-hold approach and forces everyone to do it their way. What happened to our freedom to choose?

  • Anonymous

    Just take one M-80 firecracker with a leaky fuse….
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    did you just say a “leaky fuse”? ……seriously, a “leaky fuse”? what a hoot!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    So, using your argument, using fireworks while drinking should be illegal? When the heck would they be used? At Sunday service?

  • Anonymous

    I really can’t get too worked up one way or another over the fireworks proposal but I am concerned that the head of the department probably most affected by any ban, or lack thereof, is not allowed to speak. If not him then who? I find the gag order outrageous.

  • Anonymous

    I sort of got the vibe that asking the fire marshall about fireworks would be like asking EJ his opinion on DADT. We already know what the spiel will be. :-p

  • Anonymous

    Does this mean I am paying for Obama’s expected health care problems since he smokes?

  • Anonymous

    Once again, just like with the BPA you are acting as if LePage is going to mandate the use and purchase of these things. People who don’t like fireworks are not even going to notice a change in this law. Contrary to beliefs, most people who like fireworks, already smuggle them into the state. Those of us, such as myself who have no interest in them are going to continue to have no interest in them, even if they are for sale right in front of me.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    They hurt themselves in those states by voting for republicans year in and year out.

  • Anonymous

    Bullies and Cowards? At least he had the berries to say no I am not letting him testify, vs just excluding him from the conversation like Baldacci did. If the previous administration
    had even thought about asking expert advise, do you think we’d have all those windmills dotting our landscape, or Dirigo Health? We had cowardice government for 8 years. This guy has berries, I dare you to tell him to his face he doesn’t. Double dog dare.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting that most of the comments are about individuals’ rights and responsibilities, while ignoring the fact that LePage has made a
    decision to take that right from a DEPARTMENT HEAD that the members of the LEGISLATURE should be ASKING to HEAR FROM
    on this issue. Would the Governor openly deny that request, should it come?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    “An estimated 22,500 reported fires were started by fireworks in 2008. These fires resulted in $42 million in direct property damage.”

    Source: NFPA

  • Anonymous

    Gee, I think you nailed it accusing me of being a drunk who shoots fireworks through peoples windows (which I have never heard of anyone doing, even in a movie).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    So speak and be fired or stay silent, what would you choose? Keep your job or speak out? It’s unreal that you are supporting this.

  • Anonymous

    However I do have a big problem with the man elected to serve Maine citizens refusing to allow a full and fair public vetting of his proposals.
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    a full and fair public vetting occurs at the public comment session that is sceduled if and when the bill is passed in committee.

  • Anonymous

    So you admit Lincoln Chaffee is a coward?

  • Anonymous

    People who have little or NO income ( as well as brains) who will be going to the emergency rooms for serious injuries and guess who will get stuck with the bill?
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    If people have little or no income, they can’t BUY fireworks as they are not cheap and they can’t be purchased with food stamps or bottle deposits.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    If the Governor wants to trot out a legion of people who agree with him, go for it, but to silence the critics is absurd. As you said, both sides need to be heard. Start taking your own advice.

  • Anonymous

    Put down your imaginary phaser and engage brain.

    If you have been almost anywhere in Maine, especially around most lakes, on the 4th of July then you know that there are plenty of fireworks being shot off already. I haven’t seen a huge number of forest fires on the 4th.

    And it isn’t about the few dollars in sales tax. It is about freedom.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    Amen to that, my friend. You are spot on.

  • Anonymous

    LePage is a pawn, Maine the castle, the Koch Bros. king and queen in the global chess game for recourses. It’s tea time baby, we are being served a cup of corporatism with a whoopee pie and fireworks. Enjoy!

  • Anonymous

    The current crop of liberal/progressives have never found a nanny-state regulation that they did’nt like.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    If an arsonist burnt down your house, would the fire marshal’s office not be the experts to track him down? Let me guess, you would find him yourself? You’d probably assume he was a gay black man on welfare?

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t the huge issue here the governor muzzling an opposing view? It’s outragous that the Fire Marshall, who has expertise and safety as a priority, is barred from testifying at the legislative hearing! The gov’s lawyer says the reason the marshall is muzzled is because he opposed legalization two years ago and it would be inconsistent and make discomfort for the Marhsall this time. Say what? If the fire marshall has changed his mind, we need to hear his new views. Legalization of fireworks needs the input of the State Fire Marshall.

  • Anonymous

    source for your statistics? Apparently this is a nationwide statistic…..I wonder if this includes states where fireworks are banned? Also, since fireworks were legal in Maine up until the law that is currently on the books was passed, I am sure you could provide the total number of fires and injuries directly caused by the use of legal fireworks that occurred before and after they were banned?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    First you say leave it up to the state, now leave it up to the town. What’s next? Leave it to the subdivisions?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    Wow, you really are a wingnut.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    I consider myself a liberal and we don’t even have a whole foods, I recycle my bottles to get my deposit back, and I shop at the Hannaford. Get a clue.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    ASKING someone if they have a job and pay taxes is worse than CALLING someone a drama queen? Hypocrites!

  • Anonymous

    I agree, smbbangor. The Fire Marshall of all people should be there and voice his expert opinion based on facts.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    But there will always be those who lack good judgement. And legalizing fireworks in the state of Maine will only increase the risk that those with bad judgement will end up in the ER, costing the state far more than the $400,000 in sales tax revenue.

  • Anonymous

    This is Maine, too many trees… this is a good way to start a forest fire. Smokey the Bear would be against this :(
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    Smokey the Bear would make a nice, warm RUG.

    oh, and just to let you know since you don’t seem to have enough common sense—99.99999% of people who set off fireworks want to SEE them. Therefore, they would set them off AWAY from the forest, since you can’t SEE fireworks if they are obscured by trees. (I really want to say DUH! here, but I don’t want to embarass you….eh, what the h ell, DUH!!!!)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    “An estimated 22,500 reported fires were started by fireworks in 2008. These fires resulted in $42 million in direct property damage.”

    Source: NFPA

  • Anonymous

    Don, The mess in this country is that many do not understand how private insurance works. Therefore, they believe that for those of us paying for our health insurance, their money is somehow being spent on our health care by their taxes. If the government STOPPED getting into businesses, like health care, no tax dollars would be spent on health care. The government has placed itself in too many businesses and intrudes into our lives in too many ways. I do not need a mama and papa or “nanny” government. The federal government should be doing what it was intended to do instead of continually building a strangle hold bureaucracy. The state and local governments should also only be involved in that which is absolutely necessary. When did the federal, state, and local governments decide that more intrusion into private citizens’ lives was absolutely necessary? It is time that the people take back control of their own lives.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    Adults often die from cocaine overdose, should we legalize coke?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think it was the “stimulus bill”, I think it was several hundred million dollars nationwide, distributed to each state/town fire department(s) in the form of grants. It came out of the Homeland Security budget. It was instituted a few years after the Dept. of Homeland Security was established by Bush 2.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    How is the state of Maine so great? Does this have anything to do with the fact the LePage is the first republican governor since the 70s? One could draw conclusions that banning the conservatives would have a larger impact on the greatness of Maine.

  • Anonymous

    Most of the City of Portland, July 4, 1866. It’s why most of the pennisula now dates to about the same age and is all built of bricks.

  • Mungo Munro

    Every time I post a link it takes forever to clear the mods….. Google, fireworks injuries and look for the CDC website. ……………. The state fire marshal office has the same cdc info and a short list of injured children………………………..
    …………A 7 year old boy lost half of his left hand including his fingers when he ignited an M-80 he had found hidden in a family bedroom. The M-80 exploded in the boy’s hand.
    Two boys, 8 and 10 years old, received first and second degree burns on their arms when a bottle rocket exploded in the garage at their house. The garage and a car were totally destroyed.
    An 8 year old girl received second and third degree burns to her leg when a spark from a sparkler she was holding ignited her dress.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    I don’t want children and drunks getting their hands on them. Yet they will, legal or not, but legalizing them would make for a greater ability to possess them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    You mean know-nothing? Get yourself educated.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    Hey, I hear that Somalia is the exact opposite of a “nanny state”. No regulations, no laws of any kind, the most “libertarian” country in the world!

    Plenty of “freedom” from accountability there. So what are you waiting for?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    I wonder where a lot of rapists would be had the jury just “known what the witness will testify”?

  • Anonymous

    Not sure who you are replying to but the second sentence was unnecessary.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    Don’t listen to the witness at the rapist’s trial, EVERYBODY knows what she will say. Blah blah blah. Bring on the rapist’s alibi.

  • Anonymous

    Chain_Laker01 the Governor is within his legal and constitutional to deny an employee from speaking publicly about this topic. Not sure if the committees have subpoena power or not but that would create a different situation if he was subpoenaed to testify.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    Hey, I hear that Somalia is the exact opposite of a “nanny state”. No regulations, no laws of any kind, the most “libertarian” country in the world. And look how well it works out for them…

  • Anonymous

    The same conservatives who support this measure will also be the ones who want to deny healthcare
    to those that sustain injuries due to fireworks accidents.

    Can’t you just hear them?

    Conservative: “why should the taxpayer have to pay the hospital bills for those stupid enough to get hurt playing with fireworks!!”

    Can’t you just hear them?

  • Larry T. Doughty

    I’m trying to get educated, but failed a little on that one..Thanx for catching it..I’ll edit it, before you all raise heck.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    You compared talk radio to a hearing on a bill? LOL!

  • Anonymous

    Every car in the state seems to rust out due to the salt used on the roads , should we ban the use of salt ? Safe cars are more important than firewok use.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    By your logic, then, LePage’s opinion should have no bearing either.

  • newportres

    As Don pointed out this article says you are a liar.
    Please prove your point that this has NEVER happened before.

    City employees are routinely forced to resign when they take on City council publicly as are State and Federal employees.
    Military members have standing orders not to comment to the presss without approval of command.

    LePage wishes to control his message and there is nothing new about that as Obama is doing the same thing.

    Above and beyond all of that what do you expect the Fire Marshall to say that others can not say?
    Fire Bad!
    Touch it and you might get burned!
    Etc…..
    Doesn’t take much of an expert to say that and others here already are.
    Do you expect him to come right out and oppose LePage on this?
    Considering this is his Boss if he did that we would expect repercussions when it comes to his performance evaluations and possibly even reassignment.
    After all why have someone on your team who fights you at every turn?

  • Anonymous

    “With BPA and fireworks out of the way we can move on the real business like banning liberals from the great state of Maine.”

    With comments like this, you completely destroy any cogent writing you contribute to a discussion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    I was actually replying to another poster whom has made consistent racist comments and blaming those on welfare. I’m sorry if I offended you. Don’t know why my post made it down here.

  • Anonymous

    Actually Paul LePage won by more than 10,000 votes. Next we will be reading how the Cutler files “stole” the election for LePage. Governor Baldacci was re-elected by the same percentage of voters. He was the sitting governor and only manged re-election by 38 percent of the vote. If you continue to read the article that the BDN is trying to make as news, the administration in the past has blocked department heads from testifying in some cases in front of the legislature. Also it was admitted that in the past the fire Marshal’s office has opposed this type of legislation. Finishing reading before you leap!

  • Mungo Munro

    A leaky fuse can burn faster then you can throw it……………………… The so called “nanny state” has regulation about how long a fuse is supposed to burn but since most fireworks are made in China QC is always a problem.

  • Anonymous

    Let’s not forget how American Chinese fireworks are, why would anyone what to change that, we need to import more stuff from China, right?
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    so, what do they actually MAKE in the fireworks FACTORIES all throughout the United States?

  • Anonymous

    Well, stop driving, stop skiing & stop sledding and nobody will get hurt!

  • Anonymous

    Doesn’t look any worse than the hand of a former boss of mine. he reached into a lawnmower to unclog it.

    Guy on the lake received 2nd and 3d degree burns over 60%+ of his body after squirting lighter fluid directly on charcoal briquettes.

    Dumb people do dumb things.

    I could tell you about some really bad ones from when i worked in a mill. All caused by the people injured doing REALLY stupid things.

    And I STILL want LESS regulation of fireworks.

  • Larry T. Doughty

    Many Mainer’s would disagree with your description of LePage, being a bully or coward. Strange, I just don’t see that in this man, who has an independent thinker, and wants changes. Whereas, many that post here, have no such condition. Other, than commenting in hateful, and ignorant ways. Of course, no bullies or cowards on here is there? Everybody, signs their actual name. Interesting, who is bullies and cowards.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    I can’t believe everyone is making the safety argument. How about the wildfire element of the use of fireworks. We want to risk our precious commodities for a few extra bucks? We need to avoid wildfires like the plague. If Maine’s forests are gone, so is our future.

  • Anonymous

    Somalia isn’t an example of libertarianism. There are tons of foreign influences and they have a number of small defacto states. Instead of one ‘national’ ‘central’ government there are small tyrannical theocratic governments. Yeah, VERY libertarian.

    Perhaps you should try thinking for yourself instead of regurgitating some tired pro-statist lie. I’ve seen the video. Kindergarten smear at best.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    (Duh) that’s why we have a State vehicle inspection.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder how many “estimated” fires were started by discarded cigarettes or people who fail to extinguish their camp fires or lightning strikes and the list goes on………….

  • Anonymous

    Heavy handed top down LePage style decision. And I support the sale of fireworks. Anything to take business away from NH.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    Safe fireworks? Hmm, enlighten me.

  • Anonymous

    One could easily go online and get traffic accident statistics, snowmobile accident statistics and skiing accident fatalities. So, why aren’t those things banned?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    Yes. Obama should stop smoking. Maybe smoking should be banned, or would the government be intruding on our lives? Hypocrite.

  • Anonymous

    Yes. It’s called freedom. I see nothing wrong in letting some cocaine addicts remove themselves from the gene pool. Actually might be good for society as a whole.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    Making drinking and driving illegal? Banning cell phone usage in a moving vehicle? Making drugs illegal? Legalized abortions? Got anything else?

  • Anonymous

    If after the fact is your point then ” we have state fire inspectors also “.

    Dan

  • Anonymous

    And chances are you would be one of the first and loudest of the whiners when your house burns down due to some drunk yahoo who just shot a “Super-charged Mega-Death Fire-Breathing Dragon Rocket” through your front window.
    *********************************
    just a few posts prior to this one, you said “The summer people are here with their cash, and I suppose that adds to their summer fun. But the fact that they are illegal now has hardly stopped the improvements or number of displays people are shooting off. ” So, what is stopping a “summer person” from getting drunk and being a redneck (we DO have people from the southern redneck states visiting here) and shooting a
    “Super-charged Mega-Death Fire-Breathing Dragon Rocket” through your front window. ? You have shown that, although fireworks are now illegal in Maine, it doesn’t stop them from being brought in from another state and used. Are you saying that only STUPID DRUNK MAINERS will be shooting fireworks through their neighbor’s windows? Are flatlanders somehow immune to shooting fireworks through neighboring house windows?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    Really? People set off fireworks on the 4th of July? Wow, thanks for the input. Should we encourage these drunks to buy all they want from the local store? I agree with the freedom argument. I get your point. What I don’t agree with is making something legal that could have a large negative impact on the entirety of society. We could make cocaine legal again, knowing that the majority of us know the negative impact of it’s usage, but the morons out there that abuse it’s use will have an extreme negative impact on our society. Just think about it for a moment, that’s all I ask.

    Legalize the darn fireworks for all I care. But don’t sit here and act like it’ll have some huge economic impact on the state of Maine. To the contrary, it will end up costing the state of Maine money that we cannot afford. And that, you cannot deny.

  • Anonymous

    Lederhosen ? one would assume fireworks. So who invented fireworks? you don’t have to answer that we all know it was the Chinese, which was the point.

  • Anonymous

    If this legislation passes EVERYONE can count on paying more for fire insurance. Insurance aren’t dumb, they have actuaries that pour through data and adjust premiums accordingly.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    And do you really REALLY believe that banned fireworks are infringing on your rights as an American citizen? Aren’t there better things to get worked up about? Some things are legal, some things aren’t. And you’ll always have to pay taxes, you’ll always have law and order. Deal with it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    There are tons of foreign influences in ANY country except North Korea. As you said, no laws, no central government, no taxes, a real “libertarian paradise” by anyone’s definition.

  • Anonymous

    Maine has a Prohibition on fun and personal liberties, this will never pass.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    What about firearms then?

    The point is, cars are NECESSARY. Snowmobiles, skiing and hunting are longstanding Maine traditions. Unlike the sale of fireworks.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    LOL sorry man, just get a little worked up sometimes. Good for you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    No, he won by less than 2,000 votes. NON-PARTISAN source: RealClearPolitics.

    And I notice you don’t dispute that he’s an embarrassment to our state…

  • Anonymous

    It is absolutely possible to be in favor of sensible commercial sale of consumer fireworks AND healthy open debate. (Ya hear that Governor?)

  • Anonymous

    Lawyers will make a ton of money if this passes, you know , the ones who forced McDonalds to put a “HOT LIQUID ” lable on hot coffee . Maybe ” if you light this on fire it may burn” would be appropriate.

  • Larry T. Doughty

    Calm down Doc. You need to get more up to date on these postings. I know it may be hard, as you have posted 14,500 just in a few hours. Take a break, and remain calm.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    So dry pine needles on the open ground cannot catch fire and a stiff wind can’t spread it to the forest? You could burn the forest with a cigarette butt, imagine what even a small firework could do. I really want to say DUH! here, but I don’t want to embarass you…eh, what the h ell, DUH!!!!!.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JKCHC6FYGUR42VYVBYAKHVIH7M Doc Souce

    HAHA, love it!

  • Anonymous

    Good luck with that one there, chief. I’m sure your liberal friends will be right there, in lock step with you to take money out of the hands of people on welfare with a newborn. Uh huh. That will be the day.

  • melibusa

    I believe the “common” in common sense is lost to many today. This is why they need government to dictate how to, and, not to do many things today. I also believe is is a control thing for many who want to decide what everyone else does and how they do it.

  • Anonymous

    So, I guess Quebec, NH and New Brunswick, (all of which have legal sale of consumer fireworks) all pay high insurance. Not!

  • Anonymous

    Fireworks are legal in the majority of states and in many countries around the world. Please document the “large negative impact on the entirety of society”.

    Define “large negative impact”. Support your position on this issue with something other than your desire to control other peoples behavior because you seem to have an irrational fear of harm.how about you supply any evidence supporting your position that “it will end up costing the state of Maine money that we cannot afford”.

  • Anonymous

    Nationally about 7000-10000 people a year have to go to emergency rooms for fireworks injuries, some die or are permanently disabled. The numbers for snowmobile accidents are around 13000to emergency rooms and 100 or so dead. We pay for this through our health insurance premiums and taxes related to medicare and medicaid. No one dares say that people who use or people who manufacture fireworks or Snowmobiles should be responsible for the consequences. They just figure they can stick it to the citizens and take their profits to the bank. There is, however, a certain amount of Darwin theory here that makes sense to me. I would bet that 90% of people advocating legal fireworks are Lepage supporters and snow mobilers are overwhelmingly Republican so why shouldn’t they have the right to kill themselves. It’s too bad I have to pay for it though.

  • Anonymous

    There are lots of things government, (usually do-gooder bleeding heart liberals), has stuck it’s nose in that it has no real business doing.

    Today we happen to be talking about fireworks…

  • Anonymous

    In If you say so Doc. And who said anything about kids? People are people. Adults, kids, we are all human beings and anything that could harm a person should be looked into. The commercial fishing industry is very dangerous and many children operate as stern men and get ahold of their own boats at very young ages. Fisherman are lost at sea every year, a lot more people than New Hampshire loses due to their fireworks. So what is more dangerous? We don’t want kids to lose their fingers but we don’t care about people drowning at sea with nobody there to help them? Where are the priorities?

    Kids? Kids can get their hands on any number of dangerous things that could harm that that are not currently banned nor being discussed for banishment. A simple cigarette lighter could do the same harm and what about the cigs laying on the counter or in moms purse? Those aren’t going to potentially harm that curious kid?

    The arguments for this stuff are so weak. Oh, the kids. Kids are going to get more enjoyment out of lifting this ban than any segment of society. And as many people will get hurt pulling traps and nobody will say a freaking thing about it, hiding behind the children argument. Weak, weak, weak. But as we can see from the left, all of a sudden, the children are all that matter.

  • Anonymous

    I get a kick out of the pot calling the kettle black. Seems to me the most scathing name calling, partial truths, untruths and outright lies comes more from the right than the left, but hey, what do I know compared to your obvious unbiased intelligence? But still, eliminating possible debate, in a debate, seems not just a little totalitarian. And I’ll shoot off all the fireworks I want next 4th of July.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like a great arguement against obiecare to me.

  • Anonymous

    This just goes to show why Paul LePage should be fired as Govenor of Maine, He is not qualified and only cares about the bottom line of Mardens. I suspect that they bought the election for LePage to get rid of him, I think he should be asked to resign from office and deported to Florida, where people like him live.

  • Anonymous

    So the fire marshall is prevented by LiePage from testifying to the legislature because he has a different opinion on a matter.

    You asked for it Mainers…and now you have it

  • Anonymous

    Do you favor legalizing marijuana to “get another intrusive aspect of government out of our lives”?
    I’m just wonderin’.

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t read it lately, (you evidently haven’t read it at all) but I believe the possession of fire arms by law abiding citizens is covered by the Constitution of these United States.

  • Anonymous

    I am sorry I relied on Wikipeida for my results which showed. Two days after the election, with 99% of precincts reporting, LePage’s lead over Cutler had widened to more than 10,000 votes.[3]

    [3]
    2010 Gubernatorial Election, Maine
    Party Candidate Votes % ±%
    Republican Paul LePage 216,761 38.33%
    Independent Eliot Cutler 206,339 36.49%
    Democratic Libby Mitchell 108,137 19.12%
    Independent Shawn Moody 28,632 5.06%
    Independent Kevin Scott 5,673 1.00%
    Majority 10,425
    Turnout 565,542
    No I only think he is embarrassing only mostly the sore loser’s of the general election. In addition if you check the full stories you will determine that the BDN et al are slightly slanting the news just has they did in this story. Especially under reported was the stories that caused the kiss my butt reaction from Governor LePage.

  • Anonymous

    Are you seriously this much of a sore loser that you are backing a petition to recall the democratically elected governor?

    I just lost the last bit of respect I had for you Tyke. I could tell you were a sore loser by your post in the past but this is over the line. We had a fair election and LePage won. Just like the dope in the White House is there because of a fair election. I can only imagine if the Tea Party wanted a recall law passed. That would go over well.

    If the Cutler and Mitchell backers had been this friendly in October, before the election you wouldn’t have this problem. Instead you wait until it is too late and form the sore losers club where you can show that people in the majority actually are against LePage. Bottom line, Paul won the most votes and it isn’t his fault that Mitchell wouldn’t drop out so you lefty loons could be happier.

    This should be so good. These cooks trying to pass this law and then whinning when LePage doesn’t sign it into law.

  • Anonymous

    Yes…and apparently they are called facts (which Sean has provided).

    Do Republicans know what those are or will we be subjected to government by whatever bumper sticker slogans and sound bytes Dan De DIMWIT can conjure up?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    If Maine wants to be like the “other” states, we should legalize billboards so we have giant-sized advertisements staring at us everywhere we go. We should rescind the returnables law so we have garbage littering every roadside (like we did 30 years ago).

    We should legalize underage alcohol consumption (that’s right, 15 states and the District of Columbia let kids consume as much alcohol as they want, though it’s illegal to sell it to them).

    Hey, while we’re at it, why don’t we put some oil rigs in the middle of Moosehead Lake?

    If LePage gets his way in a couple of years our state won’t be Maine anymore, it’ll be Arkansas II.

  • Anonymous

    Personally I don’t care all that much about fireworks being used with SOME sort of regulation, but I’m not a big fan of this guy with expertise and experience is being barred by the governor from providing the legislature with testimony that doesn’t match the governor’s own personal whims.

  • http://travelah.blogspot.com/ A.M. Mallett

    Yes.

  • Anonymous

    the government keeps them safe from themselves! WOW how old are these libs 2 going on 3

  • http://travelah.blogspot.com/ A.M. Mallett

    Why not legalize it and leave it at that? If somebody wants to grow their own pot, so be it.

  • Anonymous

    You could burn the forest with a cigarette butt,
    **********************************************
    oooooh, then we should BAN cigarettes! DUH! Our lovely neighbor, New Hampshire, still permits their citizens to buy and use fireworks. NH is just as heavily forested as Maine—exactly how many forest fires there were caused by fireworks?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    And we all know how reliable Wikipedia is about everything.

  • Anonymous

    Hopefully I will be able to save my family and then I will rebuild my house. Given that I don’t know of any examples of anyones house being burnt down due to a neighbors fireworks, it is a risk I am willing to take.

    I also am not that paranoid of my neighbors and do not consider them drunks.

  • Anonymous

    Bravo, A.M.

  • Anonymous

    And on another front. Once the snow melts this spring and flowers pop (May) I think there will be some sizable demonstrations and protests in Augusta.

  • Anonymous

    You are no moderate. You are a left wing loon.

  • Anonymous

    leftys still can not get over the fact they lost the election.After thirty years of government teet and direction it will be hard to accept.Good to see the augusta swamp starting to drain though

  • Anonymous

    Boo hoo Tyke. Boo hoo. Go work on your truly American recall campaign and I will contemplate your words in the meantime.

  • Anonymous

    one would assume fireworks. So who invented fireworks? you don’t have to answer that we all know it was the Chinese, which was the point.
    *********************************************
    so, if your “point” was merely that fireworks were invented by the Chinese, why are you implying that the Chinese, in 2011, MAKE all the fireworks and that businesses in the U.S. IMPORT all these fireworks from China?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    You apparently don’t know how to read at all. I didn’t say firearms should be illegal.

  • Anonymous

    first on the list liberals.Look at the damage they did to this state.

  • Anonymous

    Facts? Are you really introducing facts into this discussion?

  • Anonymous

    Maybe becaue you like to make bigoted statements and then blame it on a response to somenoe else. Don’t know why you have to drag race into this.

  • Anonymous

    should government be resposible for parenting?

  • http://travelah.blogspot.com/ A.M. Mallett

    It’s already just like Massachusetts. Arkansas would be an improvement.

  • http://travelah.blogspot.com/ A.M. Mallett

    and I’m happy for it.

  • Anonymous

    Here is a little fact for you…………….

    Tobacco use is the single most preventable cause of disease, disability, and death in the United States. Each year, an estimated 443,000 people die prematurely from smoking or exposure to secondhand smoke, and another 8.6 million have a serious illness caused by smoking. Despite these risks, approximately 46 million U.S. adults smoke cigarettes. Smokeless tobacco, cigars, and pipes also have deadly consequences, including lung, larynx, esophageal, and oral cancers.

    ………I don’t hear anyone clambering about banning tobacco and we all can see the damage that this stuff does.

    …..and for fireworks………………….. In 2008, seven people died and an estimated 7,000 were treated in emergency departments for fireworks-related injuries in the United States.

  • Anonymous

    This isn’t a trial where someone is going to be thrown in jail as a result. A better comparison would be if someone wanted to lift the rape laws and they wouldn’t let their doctors drone on for hours about obvious things like rape does harm to the person who is raped. Everyone already knows that and shouldn’t be basing a decision to lift rape laws on a belief that it does good things for the woman. It takes only a small amount of common sense to undertand that rape is bad and that fireworks have the potential to cause fires.

  • Anonymous

    I said, “which was the twisted point.” you know just like the past two years where the right twisted everything, no difference.

  • Anonymous

    Here’s another thing that they should legalize here in Maine and all over the US, marijuana!! I’m sure I’m not the only one who thinks that government is too intrusive in our lives, but I personally have a huge problem with the government telling us what we can and can’t put into our own bodies. Marijuana is safer to use than alcohol or tobacco and yet they are both legal. We already tried banning alcohol during prohibition and it didn’t work! Yet we have clearly not learned our lesson from that failed experiment. Legalizing marijuana would generate some much needed tax revenue, it would create jobs, it would make it less accessible to children since drug dealers don’t check IDs. We would also save millions of dollars that are currently being spent on arresting, prosecuting, and imprisoning people who use the drug. It would also put drug dealers out of business. It’s time for government to stay out of our personal lives!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Violette/1461947602 Nick Violette

    I’m not sure if my other comment went through so please ignore whatever is repeated.

    Drop the partisan act. It’s getting us nowhere. You don’t need to take the “conservative” edge on every issue the “liberals” support. Let’s aim for some intelligent progression rather than self-imposed limiting, yeah?

    Your argument is ridiculous anyhow. Does an oncologist warn people against consuming carcinogens because they’re using resources to cure cancer?

  • Anonymous

    Just doing what I can to protect you from yourself.

  • Anonymous

    A leaky fuse can burn faster then you can throw it……………………… The so called “nanny state” has regulation about how long a fuse is supposed to burn but since most fireworks are made in China QC is always a problem.
    ******************************
    Thank you for your interesting explanation of your unusual term, “leaky fuse”. I have been lighting off M-80′s since I was about 12 years old. I never encounterd these “leaky fuses” you seem obsessed with. I experienced a “dud”, once, that didn’t explode after lit and immediately tossed, so we dumped prodigious amounts of water on it to make sure it was “out”. However, they don’t “burn faster than you can throw it”, unless you are deliberately holding onto it instead of throwing it. Please stop with the exaggeration, it doesn’t do anything for your credibility—much like your insistence that a Pittsburg Glass (safety glass) windshield cut a woman’s face down to the jawbone, making her bleed to death.

    oh, and your other exaggeration that “most fireworks are made in China” is quite the folly. Don’t worry, I won’t embarass you by asking you to post your source for this (since anything beyond the rantings of an uninformed, unenlightened twit doesn’t exist)…but I do want to ask you what all those fireworks FACTORIES in the various states in the U.S. actually MAKE?

  • Anonymous

    The sad thing is they have already spent money passing this law, now they will spend more to get rid of it.

  • Anonymous

    So a state that is in horrid shape has been admittedly run by liberals all these years and you think the best way to fix that is to ensure that they can continue in control?

    If they only sold clues in the gumball machines at Whole Foods.

  • Anonymous

    I said, “which was the twisted point.” you know just like the past two years where the right twisted everything, no difference.
    **************************************
    No, see, you didn’t say “TWISTED”, you said “you don’t have to answer that we all know it was the Chinese, which was the point. ” You just went back and edited your post to insert the word “twisted”. Your “point” was ridiculous and you got embarassed because I merely showed how silly it was. Now, you are changing your post and going off on a silly tangent….sheesh, bub, grow up.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LFRDJPPYY3EEYCLEIT23JA6OEM The Maine Photographer

    You would think that our new governor, with so many years of experience at Marden’s, selling goods that often were salvaged from fires, would better appreciate the dangers of fireworks, at least to property, The danger to persons is no less important. If there are any people who should give expert testimony, they are ER doctors, burn injury experts, and the Fire Marshall.

  • Anonymous

    LePage is an honorable man who is trying to fix many problems left by the previous 8 years of mismanagment and over regulation. Obama is so far in over his head he needs scuba gear.

  • Anonymous

    Are you telling me that this administration is so unimaginative that this is what they come up with for generating revenue? And 400 grand at that? Please. I can’t help but feel that the time and effort put into this could have been used for something that would provide a bit more income for the state…We are talking about one day (4th July) here.
    This is real progressive stuff—-

  • Anonymous

    Until the Fire Marshalls memoirs come out, I think you may be stretching a little bit there. How do you know how he is handling his dealings with the Fire Marshall over this issue behind closed doors? Any good leader would listen to the other side behind closed doors and take all the info into account. There is no evidence that LePage did not do this and for someone who calls themselves a moderate to be making more assumptions than anyone else makes no sense.

  • Mungo Munro

    I get your point but just because tobacco is legal doesn’t mean fireworks should be.

  • Anonymous

    Yep. Just like Prop 19, whenever something like this is up for a vote, there are usually just enough busy bodies who just can’t sleep at night knowing that someone, somewhere is getting high. Oh the horror!

  • Anonymous

    Hey Sean I tried going back to the election results in the BDN and the Portland Press Herald, if it didn’t happen in 2011 tough luck. The salient points here are LePage won the election. Also, the BDN in its attempt to make this a “big” story didn’t mention until towards the end of its report that this has happened in the past with other administrations. Furthermore, this is only a preliminary hearing on the issue.

  • Mungo Munro

    An area man suffered serious injuries early this morning when his head went through the windshield of a car that crashed into a tree on Lover’s Lane Road in Ridgefield Township.

    Garrett A. Savage, 21, of Sandusky, was driving a 2006 Ford Fusion north on Lover’s Lane at 2:57 a.m. when the vehicle, while traveling down a hill about a half-mile north of Schaffer Road, went off the right side of the roadway, struck a tree on the vehicle’s right side and then struck a second tree head on, finally coming to a rest in the middle of Lover’s Lane Road, state Highway Patrol troopers reported.

    Savage, who was not wearing a seatbelt, had his head go through the windshield, troopers said. He sustained serious injuries and was transported by North Central EMS to Fisher-Titus Medical Center in Norwalk, where he was later flown by LifeFlight helicopter to a Toledo medical facility. His condition is unknown at this time.

  • Anonymous

    Under your thought processes, a turd floating on the Penobscot that glows in the dark will be the new “symbol” of the State if LePage gets his way. Good thing that the majority of Mainers aren’t filled with the hate and vitriole you seem to have toward fellow voters. Liberals are not out of the way. Conservatives are not out of the way. It’s called bipartisanship and common sense. Thank God you’re in a eeny, weenie, teeny minority.

  • Anonymous

    In Maine? Not hardly. That’s taking a national statistic (NFPA) and applying it locally (to the state) presenting a false picture of high volume to oppose something. That can be done with any statistic. Traffic crashes with a particular fault i.e. failed to yield, following too close, etc.
    And here goes the nanny pro government control with the children again. Just like the plastic hardener.
    Retired Dr. William Atlee is an ophthalmologist… . ” He told lawmakers that the fireworks that are currently legal — sparklers — cause a lot of serious injuries and that those proposed would cause even more. “Particularly to children under five,” he said.”
    An eye doctor may read this through a medical publication but having him testify without personal knowledge as an expert is misleading. An ER physician would be more qualified as that is where they would be taken. It’s the same old “We need to stick a “child” into the arguement. Then anyone opposed to this is also opposed to protecting the “children.” How many children under 5 IN MAINE were injured by ANY type of firework(s)?
    And if so WHERE were the parent(s)? Oh, Nanny government takes the place of irresponsible parents! AND IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE.
    Well then!, Let’s go a little further with all these laws bogging down systems. I’ve got one!
    Driving with head up you know where! THAT would cover a multitude of errors that cause crashes and injury lacking a traffic violation that caused it. AND it can be applied to anything. In this case, setting off fireworks with head firmly implanted… !!

  • Anonymous

    Don, In your mind does it always have to come down to liberals being wrong and you always being right ? You know some of the most respected public officials (Republican & Democrat ) have made mistakes and they took complete responsibility. The integrity of a true honarable person is the ability to admit wrong and not blame others, being humble is a big part of public life. As always I will not respond to any post that you might make to my post.

  • Anonymous

    I am not sure where Bill Vickerson gets his info on NH. Here is an excert from their site. My daughter lives there, and I have observed many citizens using fireworks.

    160-C: 11 Possession and display of Permissible Fireworks.
    ~ Any person 21 years of age or older may possess permissible fireworks except
    in a municipality which has voted to prohibit possession.
    ~ Any person 21 years of age or older may display permissible fireworks on
    private property with the written consent of the owner, or in the owner’s
    presence, except in a municipality which has voted to prohibit display

  • Anonymous

    Since Sarah Palin let ” stupid” out of the closet two years ago, the Republican Party has made their stance quite known. Those individuals who use such words as “nanny state” would never have shared their thoughts in verse or in public, for fear of being labeled, “stupid.”

    While Sarah Palin has been able to take ” stupid” to the bank, the thirty six percent of the electorate in Maine who voted for ” stupid” as in Governor Le Page, need to realize that the movie, ” Forrest Gump,” was just a movie!

  • Anonymous

    Replying to Sean
    In Maine? Not hardly. That’s taking a national statistic (NFPA) and applying it locally (to the state) presenting a false picture of high volume to oppose something. That can be done with any statistic. Traffic crashes with a particular fault i.e. failed to yield, following too close, etc.
    And here goes the nanny pro government control with the children again. Just like the plastic hardener.
    Retired Dr. William Atlee is an ophthalmologist… . ” He told lawmakers that the fireworks that are currently legal — sparklers — cause a lot of serious injuries and that those proposed would cause even more. “Particularly to children under five,” he said.”
    An eye doctor may read this through a medical publication but having him testify without personal knowledge as an expert is misleading. An ER physician would be more qualified as that is where they would be taken. It’s the same old “We need to stick a “child” into the argument. Then anyone opposed to this is also opposed to protecting the “children.” How many children under 5 IN MAINE were injured by ANY type of firework(s)?
    And if so WHERE were the parent(s)? Oh, Nanny government takes the place of irresponsible parents! AND IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE.
    Well then!, Let’s go a little further with all these laws bogging down systems. I’ve got one!
    Driving with head up you know where! THAT would cover a multitude of errors that cause crashes and injury lacking a traffic violation that caused it. AND it can be applied to anything. In this case, setting off fireworks with head firmly implanted… !!

  • Anonymous

    From the New York Times

    Paul LePage Rep. 215,486 38.3%
    Eliot Cutler Ind. 205,601 36.5%
    Libby Mitchell Dem. 107,702 19.1%

    When I went to school 215,486 – 205,601 = 9,885 vote difference.

    And before you go off the deep end over the vote count difference these are not the “certified” results which only comes from the Secretary of States office.

  • Anonymous

    “There are tons of foreign influences in ANY country except North Korea.”
    -Yeah, and that is uncharacteristic of a true libertarian state.

    “As you said, no laws, no central government, no taxes”
    -uh when did I say no laws and no taxes?? No central government doesn’t mean libertarian when you have small thuggish states..

    “a real “libertarian paradise” by anyone’s definition. ”
    -Well then “anyone” is wrong and ignorant to what a libertarian society is.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not leaving. I’m staying here and doing all that I can to shine the light on Penguin and his sub par performance. You’re welcome to leave too though bubsey.

  • Anonymous

    “We are talking about one day (4th July) here.” Well, not really. In Vermont, for example, people order fireworks to celebrate other events such as weddings, founders’ day events, etc. It’s not limited to July 4th. I expect that there are quite a few tourist types from away who would purchase their 4th fireworks here if they could. The change, though it doesn’t amount to a lot of revenue, *does* tie in somewhat with the tourist industry.

  • Anonymous

    The State Fire Marshall offered his opinions when a similar bill came up in 2009. The Marshall is John Dean, same as in 2009. It’s reasonable to guess that his opinions haven’t changed in any significant respect since 2009. What’s the point in having him reiterate everything he offered in 2009?

  • Anonymous

    The left has long spoken in arrogant rants like yours. The educated left implying that the Conservatives aren’t intelligent because they dont agree with your diatribe. I can tell you,
    I am not “educated” having gone into the military after high school, but I will put my “common sense” up against your education any day of the week. I will find my way in the world, because I think for myself and reason through problems, if you cant find it in a book, you will be lost and blaming it on the conservatives some how. Stupid is as Stupid does, you should think about that for minute. It might apply.

  • Kitchell

    The titles and petty content of these nonstop BDN stories leaves no guessing as to what side of the political spectrum BDN lies. Why is everything bent to hurt Lepage? Objectivity please……..!

  • Anonymous

    You don’t miss much!

  • Anonymous

    Not sure why you would reference an article that does not say what the driver’s injuries were or what they were related to……the article doesn’t say the driver’s face was cut down to his jawbone because his head went through the safety glass windshield.

    But, getting back to the issue at hand—are you sure you want to say that we IMPORT all our fireworks from China?

  • Anonymous

    “Vickerson said lawmakers should recognize that while neighboring New Hampshire allows the sale of fireworks, it does not allow the use of those fireworks by its citizens.”
    Less than 60 seconds of research proves that this statement is as ridiculous as it sounds. Why would NH allow the sale of fireworks, but prohibit the use of? Having lived in NH for many years, I know that citizens are allowed to purchase and use permissible fireworks on private property with property owners permission. A quick visit to the state fire marshal’s website confirmed this.
    If only the BDN (and other news outlets) would stop printing and saying things, or allowing others to print and say things, without checking the truth of the statement. This is what a journalist is supposed to do…some research to verify random assertions. Vickerson can say anything he wants, but the reporter ought to check it out to see if it is true before publishing it as if it is the truth.

  • Anonymous

    noooo not embarrassed at all …. just having fun and I will never grow up. I have lots of silly stuff yet to come. Like I said after listening to the right for the past two years regurgitate vomitus volumes of necrotic ooze, all I can say is you ain’t seen nothing yet.– Out.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. If used with safety precautions then I don’t care that much either. But why this fire marshall was not allowed to speak during this hearing is not acceptable. What were they afraid of? Not a very open process.
    They seem to manage all right in New Hampshire as far as fireworks regulations go.

  • Anonymous

    He’s on thin ice with *some* of the people of Maine. There are those who wanted relaxed regulation to encourage business and job growth. And those people are the ones who duly elected governor Lepage. People who are apparently unhappy with the policies that are now being implemented in Augusta will have every opportunity to change the State’s direction again in about 4 years.

  • quark

    Didn’t see Chaffe mentioned. What article are you commenting on?

    Oh right, you’re just trying to change the subject …

    … cause otherwise you got nothing.

  • Anonymous

    I see more and more and more people see exactly what that is all about. You are perceptive.

  • Anonymous

    Chimneys caused more fires, 25,000 the same year and the 42 million pales in comparison to the 8 billion lost to all fires. Candles cause more than twice the damage yearly and kill more people. What is your stance on those?

  • Anonymous

    Again with the STATE! Can you people do anything without the STATE?

  • Anonymous

    Typical sensationalism by BDN

  • YeaSayer

    I do not trust the Bangor Daily’s account.
    “LePage bars fire marshal from hearing on Maine fireworks bill”
    But no place in the article do they produce one shred of evidence to say the fire marshal was “barred.”

  • quark

    Wow, what an utterly childish comment!

    It demeans no one but you, Don, when you stoop so amazingly low.

  • Anonymous

    Good one!

  • Anonymous

    LIKE you don’t know what his Proffessional opinion is…………

  • quark

    That’s just silly.

    You can’t prove something didn’t happen. You’d have to cite each and every public hearing ever held.

    On the other hand it is entirely reasonable to ask that those claiming it has happens “all the time” cite at least ONE example.

    Just one folks? Can’t do it can you?

  • Anonymous

    As I stated to your buddy Sean, candles cause more damage. Why no push to outlaw them? That is a question for not only him, but apparently you as well.

  • Anonymous

    I say no to the public buying and using fireworks. Its dangerous because most people do not use them properly. They cause bodily harm and fires..Not to mention the poor ets that are scared to death. I think there are better way of making business and taxes..NO FIREWORKS..Leave that to the experts~

  • Anonymous

    Good ;glad you are staying.
    Oops, someone must not be a happy camper. Did not see the post but it must have been the same ranting….

  • Anonymous

    You do!

  • Anonymous

    YES YES YES~~~

  • quark

    The article quotes a political hack saying that. No citations, no facts NOTHING to support someone’s OPINION.

  • Anonymous

    sparklers are legal…

  • Anonymous

    You swim in the Penobscot wearing glow sticks? I dont’ get it.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent commentary…..excellent, from your 1st word till your last. (and have fun on the 4th of July!) Yes, what you state here has been quite obvious for a long time. “The most scathing name-calling”,etc. And the proof is right there for anyone to see/find. The proof is right there. And if the BDN had not enacted/enforced some stricter posting guidelines, you would be reading much worse from some of the chronic abusers.

  • quark

    Why are you spreading lies? There is NOTHING in tyke’s comment about supporting the recall! He just reported that it is underway. I had heard that elsewhere as well.

  • Anonymous

    Drivel.

  • Anonymous

    They don’t want to listen to the policemen/women either who are against, for safety reasons, the proposed repeal of checking for seat-belt usage when a driver is stopped for another reason. They are for the government stepping in on some real “personal” issues but not when it comes to safety issues. Driving a vehicle has many regulations as it is; if doctors, policemen,etc. speak out in favor of safety measures, it is perfectly understandable and should be rationally considered.

  • http://twitter.com/TheHumbleFarmer Robert Karl Skoglund

    “You would think that our new governor, with so many years of experience at Marden’s, selling goods that often were salvaged from fires, would better appreciate the dangers of fireworks”

    I’m personally neutral on this. My brother might not be if he remembers that 65 or so years ago I threw at him a lit firecracker that went down inside of his shirt collar.

    Little boys have as much sense as sheep. They are experts at dismembering themselves and their friends with guns and snowmobiles and cars and anything else close to hand.

    Did I read the quote correctly?: more fireworks means more fires that means more salvaged goods that can be sold at Marden’s.

    Last time you read anything like that Cheney was pushing for a war that made money for Halliburton.

    Politics and business and fires and blown off fingers aside, I’m still neutral on fireworks. Although it would now scare the pants off me to light the thing, I think I’d still enjoy putting a cherry bomb under a tin can.

    The humble Farmer

  • Anonymous

    Amen, amen! You said it.

  • Anonymous

    Well, that opinion of the Fire Mashcell is of no mastter is the decision of Our Fearless Leader Le Page.

    The thing that strikes me is that how the people who refer to the American Revolution for their very identity don’t respect personal freedom.
    The Fire Marchall is being silenced by very big government interferance that those that voted for LePage thought they voting against.
    Why are some people afraid of other people opinions in our democratic republic ?
    This is the most obvious, but not first time, this young administration( junta ? ) has expressed their interntion to use State workers as serfs in their brave new world order of coroportate interests before even childrens safty.

    Mussolini said that fascism should be called coroporatism.
    and that Burke said “”All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.”

    What is good for Mardens … selling secondary, low grade, substandard surplus fireworks is good for Maine says the Our Fearless Leader and if you disagree you must be silenced.

  • Mungo Munro

    You said this could not happen. Now your trying to worm out of admitting you where wrong and that my story has creditability.

  • Anonymous

    So glad there are people like you in this state who are staying. You bet! Many people will have a chance to vote again ; I have heard from quite a no. of Independents and others, who already are not very happy with the new Governor. Time will tell….

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    As per usual, the “Bangor Daily Nudge” makes the sidebar into the headline. I’m beginning to think they need a remedial course in the “Journalism Pyramid.” You know – picture the “Food Pyramid.”

    The correct version would call for the actual news and the meat of the story on the top, and the incidentals like the Governor/fire marshal in the middle, or at the bottom.

  • Anonymous

    Why should they taxpayer have to pay for someone else? You’ve claimed that conservatives will say this but you haven’t explained what is wrong with saying it?

    Because conservatives don’t care if people have fireworks, they should also be for free health care for all? I’m confused by this link? This is about personal responsibility. Fireworks and health care.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Same for household ingredients used to make those soda-bottle bombs! After all, no kid has ever blown anything up if they didn’t have access to fireworks!
    [/sarcasm]

  • Anonymous

    Everyone needs to calm down. If Libby Mitchell had been governor I’m sure she’d allow the pro firework movement a chance to be heard in similar hearings so lets no go overboard.

  • Anonymous

    Really witty….clever!

    (great handle, as well.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    The Governor requested that the Fire Marshal attend the later committee deliberations, but not the initial hearing. The reason for that is simple – the Fire Marshal’s view on the subject is already well-known. The administration likely thought the committee would be better-served by hearing from the public and legislators first.

    The executive branch serves at the pleasure of the Governor, and he has the legal right to direct them as he sees fit. That includes the Fire Marshal.

  • Anonymous

    You found an example from 145 years ago? Certainly fire safety hasn’t improved since then. Continue the good work Sherlock!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Correct. His testimony will be heard later, during the deliberations. The committee was better-served getting input from the public and legislators during the initial hearing.

  • Anonymous

    The State Fire Marshal’s Office is responsible for the licensing and inspection of Fire Works Shows. They inspect the storage facilities. They inspect and license the locations for shows. They make sure that there is a safe distance from where the show is shot from and how close that is to potential sources of fuels that could feed a fire such as buildings, tress etc.

    The Fire Marshal’s office is tasked with the investigation of fires and fire related deaths. The inspectors and marshals are specially trained in these investigations and have attended out of state schools to deal with these matters

    There is no other office in this state that would have more training, knowledge and expertise than the Fire Marshal’s Office. Who else would you have testify, the postmaster, the insurance salesman, the bus driver, the ship captain or maybe the Fire Marshal who is the resident expert.

  • Anonymous

    Good post and solid points all around. Glad that some (many actually) can really see what is going on. It is has been a fresh of breath air.

  • Anonymous

    Not enough like Mass, they have better travel and communications infrastructure. Not to mention higher paying jobs.

  • Anonymous

    At least he didn’t instult Morn or Rom.

  • Anonymous

    Add to that, it is mostly older homes & moblie hoems that go up in flames along with lives… need a new government /fed law in effect 30 days all older homes more than 2 yrs old have to have sprinklers or face 10,000 fine, doubling every year until installed and after 2 years of noncompliance the home will be tax aquired. and the new homebuyer will face the same fine. More regulation written up by people & attorneys and lawmakers with zeeero common sense and absolutly no knowledge of what they are writing

  • Anonymous

    Given your outrage over who didn’t testify, was there anyone who did testify that you liked or were there any other public officials who didn’t testify that you believe should have? Or do you just get upset over things that the paper tells you to get upset about? Why wasn’t anyone from State Police allowed to testify? Hmm? I bet my paycheck that if the paper said the State Police weren’t there either, you’d then be upset about that too. Don’t think for youself at all. Let the BDN decide what you should be outraged about each day.

  • http://travelah.blogspot.com/ A.M. Mallett

    Move there.

  • Anonymous

    Move to some communist country… we are trying to maive Maine away of communism

  • Anonymous

    That is up to the parents to control…They better keep track of household products…such as the bathroom cleaner and tin foil!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Moved

  • Anonymous

    cher1, why don’t you comment for youself just once on something instead of hiding behind others. A mother should not behave this way. It doesn’t set a good example. If you have something to say, stand up and say it instead of piling on all the time? Are you capable of an original thought? As many others have noticed, I would say ……..

  • Anonymous

    Where do you come up with this The STATE is paying all the medical bills. The ones they do, are people on welfare or state aid… Oh now I understand, you are right, there are more people on state aid than are working in maine… Well you know what you paying for sniffling noses and a whole lot more

  • Anonymous

    The liberal always use the fear tactic to intimidate simple minds.. Fear works better that truth

  • Anonymous

    Do you think she would be so liberal as to allow the chief fire safty offical in the State to express his opinion on the dangers and risks of fireworks, too ?

    Those damned liberals !!!!
    They care about kids more than Mardens’ sales, huh ?
    What is wrong with those liberals, huh ?

  • Anonymous

    General Stanley McCrystal Spoke his mind about the handling of the war in Afghanistan. He was fired by Obama. The same thing happenend when President Truman fired MacArthur.

    Th Fire Marshall opinions seems to be well known on this issue. He has spoken against it. Perhaps LePage said to him, the Legislature knows your opinion, and it is on record, you dont have to spend you day having them ask all kinds of questions that you have already answered. If you dont agree with that it is fine. In my opinion it makes sense.

    When the seat belt law changes were debated did everyone really think the Chief of the State Police had to be there? Or do you think it would be rather obvious what his opinion would be.

  • Anonymous

    Luckily I do not have to rely on the state administered health care system that your taxes help fund. If I injure myself my insurance pays for it, or they will not. My problem, nobody elses. Kind of the way it should be.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ReZDoG Nathan Sockalexis

    Well, regarding the NFPA statistics, The State of Maine as Adopted the NFPA standards. In case you don’t know, NFPA stands for National Fire Prevention Association. This organization was formed to reduce hazards that could effect Life safety by developing Code and Standards, training, education and research.. the NFPA is THE standard for research and statistics when it comes to loss of life and property statistics due to fires. To just throw the number out as a number, or because its a “national” statistic is ignorant.

    As for the topic at hand, I’m on the fence. I feel that open sale of Fireworks could generate a very small source of revenue to the state, if it would be enough to make a difference, that’s hard to actually figure that out until they actually do it.. as for the Irresponsible people, I agree, without irresponsible people we wouldn’t need all these nanny state laws and codes and such.. I feel the State needs to focus at bigger issues that cripple this state, and stop wasting time on Fireworks, and Whoopie Pies..

  • Anonymous

    then when are you gonna get out?

  • Anonymous

    Your quite a dreamchild treemugger

  • Anonymous

    Don, first let me comment on your statement “why should taxpayers have to pay for someone else?”

    Just off the top of my head here’s a short list of people or groups that taxpayers foot the healthcare insurance bill for:

    All elected officials and staff, police, firefighters, all public school teachers and staff, all municipal workers, all military personal, everyone who has a federal, state or municipal job,
    inmates in federal and state prisons. The list goes on and on.

    I just wanted to remind you that there are tens of million Americans that get their healthcare paid for by the taxpayer, and I’ve never heard you or any conservative protest this fact. Indeed you MUST regard all these people as getting “free healthcare” but you never protest this. Why?

    Now in regards to legalizing fireworks. If you leave fireworks ILLEGAL and someone gets hurt using them illegally, I think a much stronger case can be made that the hurt person should not get public assistance because they were breaking the law. But once we as a society say it’s OK to buy and use fireworks then it is somewhat incumbent on us to recognize the risk and take responsibility if our law results in higher healthcare costs, which legalizing the sale of fireworks will certainly do.

    You may be surprised to know that I favor this bill, and would like to be able to purchase fireworks. But I am also an advocate for universal healthcare, and if someone using fireworks that were purchased and used legally got hurt, I don’t mind my tax dollars being used to help that person.

    I thought you asked a serious question, Don. I have tried to give a serious answer in turn.

    I’d be interested in your thoughts.

    Thanks

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    You don’t like the STATE? So what would you do if a STATE trooper pulled you over, ignore him?

    Fact: We live in a STATE. There are 49 others. Look it up sometime.

  • Anonymous

    little tykei doesn’t like change and knows so much about history and law why didn’t YOU run for governor….

  • Anonymous

    What I don’t agree with is making something legal that could have a large negative impact on the entirety of society. like alcohol, cigarettes, guns,liberals in gov positions. those kinds of things?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    Sorry if things confuse you that easily, but nowhere did I say that all of these incidents occurred in Maine. Naturally, since fireworks have NOT been legally available in Maine and most people follow laws, there have been statistically fewer incidents in our state.

    You and LePage want to change all that. That’s understood.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3X7SFRHODRS2WLWYPQD5G5DEAY bmy

    If brains were dynamite, you wouldn’t be able to blow your nose.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1063165669 Jill Fletcher

    *shakes head* Obviously the humor of smokey went waaaay past your head and over! *flatly*

    Having said that and being a flat lander who moved to maine- it’s one thing in the midwest, but you have kids that in the summer and such are in the woods and what not. I think it’s common sense that kids (teens and young adults) will probably get drunk and shoot some off. LOVELY

    And, it’s even MORE ridiculous that game wardens and fire marshalls can’t speak. That’s like having a case and allowing the prosecution to present their case while the defense isn’t allowed to.

    Also, you might want to try to make a point towards me if you reply rather than lame insults with no merit **eyeroll**

    HAVE A NICE DAY!!! =)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    Like the American flags sold by Marden’s, almost all fireworks are made in China.

    Way to boost the Chinese economy, LePage!

  • Anonymous

    Don, he didn’t specify when. I’m sure if the law passes Portland will quickly ban’em within their city.

    Personally, I don’t care about this bill, though it would be nice to collect the sales tax on’em.

  • Anonymous

    you predict the future like nostradamus…. the sky is falling the sky is falling quite the dreamer

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    They’re all for “personal freedom” as long as it doesn’t go against their narrow agenda.

  • Anonymous

    paranoid

  • Anonymous

    Let’s see, $400,000.00 in revenue … let’s compare that to the amount of medical expense that would be paid out to the people who get hurt by the fireworks, the cost of public safety because there would be rescue and ambulance calls, etc.

  • Anonymous

    paranoid

  • Anonymous

    paranoid

  • Centaurmyst

    Since when is being in favor of the 4th Amendment, keeping drugs illegal, supporting the death penalty and not liking unions liberal positions? Again…you are only calling me a liberal because I don’t like LePage. My dislike for LePage has very little to do with politics and everything to do with his lack of intelligence and lousy behavior.

  • Anonymous

    paranoid

  • Anonymous

    paranoid

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    Fact: ONE forest fire started by ONE drunken LePage supporter with fireworks in hand could easily cost DOUBLE the (alleged) $400,000 in revenues that selling them would bring in.

    There’s a good reason stringent inspections are required for fireworks shows. Mishaps can occur, and often do, even when fireworks are set off by professionals.

  • Centaurmyst

    Actually Frankforter it is you that are wrong. That WAS the PUBLIC hearing set aside for anyone wishing to comment to speak.

  • Centaurmyst

    They could run a rock against LePage and the rock would win at this point.

  • Anonymous

    How would fireworks safety instruction help all the drunks that would be setting off fireworks on the Fourth of July? They wouldn’t attend the classes anyway because they know it all. This is a really bright idea that the govenor has come up with. [sarcasm]

  • Centaurmyst

    The main thing I want to regulate is the mouth and behavior of our governor.

  • newportres

    No need to search anywhere.
    BDN itself in this article already states “co-chairwoman of the committee, said that while previous administrations have blocked state officials from testifying before the panel, she does not like the practice,”.

    Anyone who has ever been in the Military can tell you that they are not allowed to speak to the press without prior approval and I find it hard to believe that none of you can remember even one fire or police chief who was let go for speaking out against a town council one time too many.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    You called me out, so I’ll answer. No, I don’t think LePage supporters should be allowed to use candles (unless they’re under adult supervision).

  • Centaurmyst

    Maybe he’s just hoping for more goods for Mardens to sell…

  • Centaurmyst

    That WAS the public hearing. You should probably look that kind of information up before making up completely fabricated information and posting it as if you have any clue what you are talking about. Honestly…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    I suppose it would be dangerous if a LePage supporter went out on open water to try and catch a lobster. Especially if he didn’t have a boat.

  • Anonymous

    No, Obama should lead his life and I will lead mine—I guess you did not pick up on the sarcasm. Obama is not my kind of politician, but I will not tell him how to live his life unless it affects me in some negative manner.

    Why did you resort to calling names when you were the one who just does not get it? Think next time.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    These Liberals just don’t want us to have our freedom so they use excuses they can like it will cause more fires, kids will be “blown up”, we are responsible for ourselves blah blah blah. The facts are we need to tear down this law , people go to New Hampshire and shoot offf fireworks now why not pass this law set up places to sell them and bring in jobs and tax revenue for this state.

  • Centaurmyst

    Bwahahahahahahahahahaha……you’re joking right?

    hell will freeze over before Maine ever elects LePage to another political office. He has angered SO MANY Mainers that I fully expect to see the entire Republican party pay dearly in the 2012 election. The state HAS to do something to stop LePage and the only way to do that as quickly as possible is to fill the legislature with Democrats in numbers high enough to render LePage powerless.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    Well if that was the case the neighborhood I live in here in Madison would have burnt down from my neighbor shooting off fireworks into a small field behind my house. The Liberals are using scare tactics because they know that people are starting to see freedoms return that they haven’t had for 40+ years under control of the Maine Democrat Party.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    Just this week a fireworks-related fire destroyed the 20-storey Sheraton Shenyang Lido Hotel (a 5-star hotel) and a whole apartment complex in Shenyang, China.

    And before you say, “those stupid Chinese”, they invented fireworks, have been using them for centuries more than we have, and they’re the ones who manufacture the fireworks LePage wants you to have.

  • Centaurmyst

    Oh for the love of Pete…

    You need to learn how these hearing work because you really, really are clueless.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    “You and Lepage want to change all that”. Well we voted for change because the Inept Dim Minded Liberal (Democrat) have done everything while in power to take away the personal responsibility/freedom of the average citizen. If we wanted them to continue to hold our hands we would have continued to have them in power.

  • Centaurmyst

    For about the 4th time now…that hearing WAS the PUBLIC hearing.

  • Anonymous

    sounds exactly like the last 30 years of dems tearing this state apart.It is time the 30%that has put us in this situation go to the back of the bus where the bill payers have been for 30 years.Do not worry it is an aggravating ride back there but you can come along for the ride. someone has to repair the 30 year old damage, not going to be easy getting people back to work after almost a generation of entitlements ,total business failures and other liberal policies.Hopefully dirigo will go away then we need to lighten up our environmental policies and give business a chance to come back in maine so we can all prosper not just the elites.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    Tell me how is Cuba, North Korea and Iran doing with socialist/communist running things if we use your logic.

  • Centaurmyst

    The public hearing was yesterday. I wonder how many times in this article you are going to keep repeating the same “information” clearly plucked directly from your rectum and try to pass it off as fact. Only time will tell…

  • quark

    They issue being cited is Lepage’s order to ALL state employees to never speak to a legislator – even in private – without his office approving the conversation!

    No Maine governor has ever done that. EVER

  • Anonymous

    heavens. tree huggers can not be out in the cold.How does a tree hugger keep warm?You can not live in a wooden house they are made of trees.What fuel do you burn to keeep warm?Walking everywhere must be tough.That is why you are waiting til spring for the rally everyone is walking to augusta being the environmental and all right?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    He is nothing more than a unqualified overpaid partisan liberal hack who should be let go of his duties.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    Everyone in this state and elsewhere knows that the only reason LePage (barely) won is because Mitchell enabled him to win by not withdrawing. Had she withdrawn, we’d have a COMPETENT Independent Governor right now.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    Amen they have done too much damage to this great state hopefully folks will be smart and not take stupid pills and vote out the rest of the unqualifed buffoons like Emily Cain, Sharon Treat, John Martin, Elsie Flemmings, Cynthia Dill, Troy Jackson etc.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    ???

  • Centaurmyst

    They can’t answer you right now…they are too busy eating Whoopie Pies.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    The next thing we need to regulate is welfare, we need to start getting the bums out looking for work and have them start to produce.

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t read recently that fireworks are a significant problem in neighboring New Hampshire. What’s the crisis?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    The guy is nothing more than a partisan unqualifed liberal hack who Lepage should can his butt it is time for this guy to go. He has been in office far too long we need new fresh faces in that office.

  • Downeasta

    yeah but it is promoting Mainers to spend money on local hospitals and thus increase the economy!

  • Anonymous

    WOOHOOO!!! Here we go again! Anyone who dares speak out against our illustrious governor is automatically a screaming bleeding heart socialist liberal nazi!

    Guess what? I go into burning houses to put them out. That’s my job. Regardless if the fire was started by electrical problems, mice with matches, fireworks or whatever is completely immaterial and has nothing to do with politics.

    However, what *is* material is adding more explosives inside structures. Turnout gear is good, yes. It will withstand fairly high temperatures. However, it has zero protection against concussive explosions. Guess what fireworks are? That’s right. Explosives.

    So, while I’m crawling around in your fully-involved house, looking for you and your family members, I need to worry about propane tanks in your basement; the ammunition in your gun cabinet; the 40 cans of aquanet in your bathroom… now I need to worry about possible fireworks (which yes, are probably there anyway)? How much more dangerous are you trying to make my job? Between department cut backs and now trying to fill this state with more explosives, it’s kind of hard to not internalize the fact you’re trying to kill me.

    Again, NONE of this has to do with politics.

    “In his role as fire marshal, [John Dean] has offered testimony on similar bills in the past, and I don’t think it would be fair to him to ask him to express an opinion contrary — well, not exactly contrary — to what he has said in the past,” said Dan Billings…

    That right there says it all. The expert witness doesn’t agree with us, so we’re not going to let him speak. That is ludicrous. That is omitting information from the public and the legislature so that they might be able to make a much more informed decision.

    And even up to this point, this has nothing to do with politics. This has to do with deception and lies.

    Oh, wait.. never mind. That’s the very definition of politics.

    Change “politics” to “political parties”.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    Or perhaps LePage didn’t want to the Fire Marshal to make him look like a fool at a public hearing. Wait, LePage already made himself look like a fool….

  • Centaurmyst

    I have yet to talk to a single person that likes LePage or voted for him aside from the few people who post on here. In fact, people that I know that usually don’t pay attention to politics or even vote really cannot stand him and say they are going to vote from now on just to prevent anyone like that ever being elected again.

  • Anonymous

    NO fireworks!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    Well we might as well give up the rest of our rights then because folks like you want Augusta to control us. They need to get out of the way they haven’t done a good job at anything for nearly 50 years now. They need to pass this law and also get rid of that stupid seat belt law, and fast track the casinos so we can start constructing them and bring in jobs. How about trying some freedom you might actually like because it is sure as heck alot better than liberalism and having a complete socialist society.

  • Larry T. Doughty

    I have to tell you Centaurmyst. I talk with a lot of folks, almost daily. Frankly, I have to say, that I have been a little surprised at some of those, that actually think LePage is doing a good job. My thinking was that some, would not talk supportive. However, there is a lot of support for Governor LePage.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    So tell me, genius, where is there a “true libertarian state” (by your definition, not mine) that has actually succeeded?

    I mean, outside of the fantasy fiction world of Ayn Rand.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    The sad part is for close to last 50 years everyone has bought into the fear from the Maine Democrat Party and their buffoons who live off of the taxpayer , that they would want a continuation of the failed policies from these folks.

  • Anonymous

    what freedoms were taken away?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, we opposed going into Iraq because it was obvious that there no weapons of mass destruction. We opposed going into Afghanistan to go after the Taliban because the enemy is Al Qaeda. We opposed Bush’s tax cuts because they were obviously budget busters. We opposed bailing out the investment banks because they are just going to get bigger and will create a bigger mess the next time they blow up, which they will.
    Liberals generally believe people are entitled to their own opinions but they are not entitled to their own facts.
    The record of conservatives on dealing with reality is weak.

  • Anonymous

    What really gets me, is you can say something dumb like that and there are 8+ people dumb enough to like your nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    But were are nothing like them, nor coming anything close to them, They have a Completely different government type, Apples to Oranges. Also, Socialism and Communism are two different forms of government, can’t be both.

  • Anonymous

    Move there.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    None. The statistics are based on official reports by law enforcement and fire prevention. Those other, unrelated things you mention are covered under their own statistics (obviously).

  • Anonymous

    Tyke, you need to go see how the town of Newport operates, that twisted logic would be crystal clear.

  • Anonymous

    The Head of the Fire Marshall’s office is a n administrator. As such that makes him a bureaucrat. Like most other bureaucrats I am sure that this one will do or say whatever will (1) Make his job easier. (2) insure that his “turf” is not infringed on. (3) Push for more public funding for his office in the administration of its duties. The “experts” usually are not heard from through this office. They either work commercially or are retired or deceased.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJQKFIBPEJ4G3YJTMPPQC25MFI David

    How bizarre to bar the State Fire Marshall’s office from giving testimony… I guess that would run counter to what the governor want’s, eh?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    Yep, just like stepping into an outhouse.

  • Anonymous

    Legalize Fireworks…. :-)

  • Anonymous

    Candles are not explosive are they?

  • Anonymous

    I was referencing his example of the Portland fire in which he clearly explained the when, July 4, 1866.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    “who already are not very happy with the new Governor”. Waah want a crying towel can’t deal with the results the fact is 81% who voted wanted something different than the Liberal agenda that is why everyone except Auntie Libby ran to the right. We voted out the Bums (Democrats) for a reason because their policies stink, we don’t want the nanny laws, we don’t want our pockets picked so folks don’t have to work and we are tired of their sick perverted social policies.

  • Anonymous

    It figures you can’t come up with an answer for that question. I guess it puts things in perspective for liberals when they realize they need to shut down the candle industry in Maine as well if they are really interested in protecting innocent kids from themselves.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    Actually, fireworks are as Chinese as General Tso’s Chicken…

    Speaking of that, a 20-storey, 5-star hotel in Shenyang, China burned to the ground earlier this week, along with an adjacent apartment comples. The cause: poorly supervised fireworks.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    Well if that passes I still will not buy it because anything the Democrats propose has never worked and has either became such a boondoogle the taxpayers end up footing the bill. When are you socialist going to get it your party is in the minority for a reason you are not listening to us.

  • Anonymous

    Is that all you have? Is it supposed to be funny? Do you get a kick out of joking about men who are lost at sea? I know I don’t.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    So what about all of Dick Cheney’s heart procedures? Isn’t he on his 8th taxpayer-funded baboon heart by now?

  • abetterplace

    The people with the sweet camp from New York State down the road always bring there own every 4th of July, while I’m in my camper with my sparklers. The users of fireworks need to be informed and sober, and have some common sense on the proper use of fireworks and sparklers.

  • Anonymous

    quack, maybe you should read his post again. This time with your eyes open. If you can’t gather from someone who says we need to work outside our own voting districts for the good of the state that they are clearly going to be involved in this recall effort, I don’t know what to tell you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    Well Liberals shouldn’t be jumping for joy at all either from all of the Failed Governors that came for their party or ran as Independents. Because those who ran as Independents couldn’t win the Dem Primary folks like Ken Curtis, Jim Longley Sr. , Joe Brennan, Ed Muskie, Angus King, The Spaghetti Slinger Johnny Baldacci. Not one Governor that was very popular to a majority of folks.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    Sorry, I meant to say LePage supporters shouldn’t be allowed to use MATCHES without adult supervision. Better now?

  • newportres

    I guess I just don’t see the diff.
    He is your boss, and you are supposed to be part of the team.
    If you don’t like the team you are on get off and let someone who can contribute to the process take your place.
    Do you really feel that more dissent in the ranks is a good thing when it comes to getting Maine working again?
    Do you also feel that when another Democrat is in office Maine State workers who wish to rally the troops against him and feed innuendo to legislatures should be given free reign as well?
    Anarchy won’t get any of us jobs anytime soon so I guess I just don’t get what it is you are looking for here.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    The seatbelt law is flawed I have heard folks being stopped from just going to the grocery store just up the street from where they have lived, in fact I got stopped by the officer here in Madison and I had my seat belt on. These nanny laws need to go they do nothing but cost the taxpayers money to enforce them. What next have Augusta tell us what to do in our own homes when does the nanny state stop.

  • Anonymous

    That political hack you are talking about was a democrat who was also the only person to be quoted in regards to the expertise of the Fire Marshall. If you think the person complaining about the Fire Marshall not being there, is a political hack, what exactly is your position on this?

  • Anonymous

    Whether or not one is for or against Fireworks becoming legal in the State of Maine ( I am for), what concerns me is the gag order placed on the fire marshal’s office by LePage. Our representatives have the right to hear all sides of the argument. To have one side – or even one person from one side – gagged is antithetical.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    “source for your statistics”. He gets his info from the Maine Democratic Party handouts.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    It might take care of the Glenn Beck problem (or legalizing whatever else he’s on).

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    Really is that why Maine is 50th in economic rankings, In the top 3 states in amount of folks on welfare, Education which liberals love Maine is in the bottom half of states, Maine rates in the top half of states with high taxes. So it would seem to me that Liberals better start taking Lepage’s idea of getting on a bus on out of here.

  • Anonymous

    What do you know? Nothing. Thanks for asking. You must be so proud to have cher1 of all people validating your thoughts.

  • Anonymous

    Is this rock going to be named Libby as well?

  • Anonymous

    What is chidish is not being able to let it go with comments on the internet but actually joining a sore losers club because you don’t the Governor personally. Liberals will look for any reason to spew their hate and this time they are going to do it with a petition drive. I guess we are really listening to Obama during his call for civility. Not in Maine, we are going to work on recalling a guy who has been in office for a month. That is chidlish. In my mind I would love to work on getting Obama out but all I am going to do is go use my vote the next time he is up for election. I’m not going to dedicate my free time to working on his ouster as many it seems are readying to do with LePage. Sad really. What a bunch of babies.

    I don’t really care how I come off. The people showing their true colors are the people who insist on jumping up and down and screaming over truly pedestrian things that have been going on for years and who has been running the state for years? Hmm. You liberals have no tolerance for anyone other than yourselves. I see it on here and I see it out in public. All you do is push your views and when people won’t listen, like come election time you just grow louder and more incessant. You can say what you want about me, I’m making comments on the internet. I’m not going to stoop so low as to join some recall campaign because my guy lost. Why are liberals always doing this? They couldn’t accept Bush and now they can’t accept LePage.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    Bizarre but not without precedent. Josef Stalin and Saddam Hussein often barred testimony from those with differing opinions. LePage is just trying to replicate their successes.

  • Anonymous

    Evidently, from the comments by Dan Billings, the State Fire Marshal would be expected to mouth the LePage party line, and since the State Fire Marshal’s opinion is not that of Governor LePage, Governor LePage will not allow the State Fire Marshal to testify. Who does the State Fire Marshal work for – the people of Maine or Paul LePage? I think Governor LePage has been reading about Louisiana Governor Huey Long and thinking how he can make Maine into his own fief.

    Maybe we should liberalize fireworks laws in this state and check the results over the next five years. If fireworks are more readily available, I am willing to bet money that injuries from fireworks will dramatically increase. More injuries will require more medical attention and more medical expense. I bet my insurance will have to increase to take care of those injuries. I also am willing to bet that over the next five years there will be significant property damage from clumsily handled fireworks. But the occasional burned garage or lost thumb or eye will be a small price to pay for our freedom.

  • Anonymous

    “So tell me, genius, where is there a “true libertarian state” (by your definition, not mine) that has actually succeeded?”

    Actually succeeded? Give me your definition of success, please. Throughout history you can find many examples of people who lived without the burden of big government. People who lived peacefully who were strong advocates of private property rights and free trade. Early western settlers, frontier society, David Friedman wrote a piece on Iceland, which had a very libertarian society. Murray Rothbard describes ireland, prior to its conquest by England, as an anarchic society.

    Why do we not have places like this now? It’s the natural course for men to take to install government. If we lived on an island with a group of people eventually one would say “hey we need a law against _____” and thus government has started to rear it’s ugly head. Government by it’s very nature then grows over time and continues to grow giving us what we now have here in America. A tyrannical beast corrupt to the core feeding off the individual. A ceaseless entity always chipping away at our freedoms and consuming more and more of our productivity.

    Look at all the chaos in Europe and the middle east. Look at the collapsing economies and the growing gap between rich and poor. Look at the endless wars, starvation, corruption, fraud, murder committed and caused by governments. Is this the product of Libertarianism? I think you need some perspective.

    A better question to you would be to give ME and example of a successful government. That is more of a fiction than anything from Ayn Rand. Freedom and liberty, free trade are natural to human beings. Tyranny is the product of governments weather it Washington D.C. or two tribes having it out in the jungle.

    I encourage you to look through history and give me an example of a successful government that didn’t eventually become a monster-collapse and become consumed by something of the same ilk.

  • Anonymous

    You have completely missed the point my overly right-wing friend. The point is that an official of the State of Maine charged with protecting the public was not allowed to testify before the legislative committee. Regardless of what anyones opinion is regarding the sale of fireworks, the fire marshal has every right to speak on the subject. And by the way John Dean was a fireman and assistant chief for may years before becoming fire marshal. He knows more about this subject then you ever will Don. Just because you choose to kiss Lepages butt every time someone questions an action by him or his administration does not make it right. For the Governor of this State to demand a department head not to speak on an issue before a legislative committee is beyond belief. If anyone on that committee had any kahona, they would have demanded that the fire marshall address the subject. For Dan Billings to make the comment that “I don’t think it would be fair to him to ask him to express an opinion contrary-well, not exactly contrary- to what he has said in the past” is amazing. That is and admission that if Dean had been allowed to speak or more likely directed to speak, he would have been told to speak in favor of the bill, no matter what his opinion was!
    How can you even begin to defend that type of strong arm tactic? It is becoming more obiviou daily that everyone in the administration will dance to Lepages tune or be tossed out the door. This is sad.

  • Anonymous

    No it just shows that folks like you don’t have your priorities in order. The government has no business banning anything so long as they continue to regulate the sale of cigarettes, and I smoke. I’d strongly back a bill that banned them altogether, right out of the country. Until then I can only laugh at any who supports the ban of less harmful products. The fact that cigarettes are for sale in this state DOES mean that fireworks should be legal because it might show we have some priorities in order of what people can choose to do for themselves.

  • Anonymous

    I think you took one thing I said and ran in the opposite direction. There was nothing I said about taking away healthcare insurance for government workers. That isn’t the issue here and doesn’t have anything to do with giving healthcare to every American citizen. I think conservatives can be against free health care for all and still support giving it to government workers. I get mine from my employer too.

    I would support health care as well if it was actually going to save money and not be another big government entitlement. Obama promised an open debate when he ran and for some reason he took the bill behind closed doors and he did that for a reason. Therefore I can’t support his bill. He decided to be secretive for a reason and that reason isn’t good for the American people is my guess.

  • Anonymous

    Law, please don’t confuse Don with facts. I think he would rather have Speaker Nutting testify on the fireworks issue as he knows a lot about matters that are illegal under state law, such as overbilling, ect.

  • Centaurmyst

    Voters didn’t realize just how ridiculous LePage was until he got into office. Voters will NOT make that mistake again.

  • Centaurmyst

    There needs to be jobs available that those people qualify for in order for them to work, Jason. They just aren’t there and it seems that our legislature is too busy discussing fireworks and Whoopie Pies to care much.

  • Anonymous

    Since you are so smart and would fit right in with the rest of the Lepage arse kissers, why don’t you run Jason?

  • Anonymous

    IF, IF, IF…..that’s the problem. IF ONLY people used GOOD SENSE. But we all KNOW people do the stupidest things!

  • Centaurmyst

    Larry, talking to yourself in the mirror does NOT count! :p

  • Anonymous

    Would you include a “high powered pellet gun” in your list of things a parent should control?

  • Anonymous

    Not SAD, but DANGEROUS to allow this “Dictator” mentality into office. It’s going to be a LONG, FRIGHTFUL, EMBARRASSING 4 years under this leadership.

  • Anonymous

    But liberals LIKE candles…

  • Anonymous

    You may not be a tea bagger, but you full of bull. He has no right to deny anyone from addressing an issue before the legislature. He is a dictator and is ruling by force and fear.

  • Anonymous

    One thing that bothers me about Paul LePage as governor is his business background. A state is not a business. A business seeks to maximize profits. It is by its very nature selfish. If expenses can be reduced by having someone else pick up the tab, then that’s good. Not long ago a businessman in Washington County had a very profitable business hauling and disposing of dangerous waste on his property in a remote section of the county. He hid the site behind a screen of trees and a junkyard next to the highway. That really wasn’t good for anyone else except the businessman and his employees, but it was profitable at least in the short term. Business can be like that. What could be any more cost effective that to dispose of waste by driving down I-95 and shoving the waste out the back – good for the the business, bad for everyone else. Maybe Maine will enjoy a few hundred thousand dollars in increased revenue for the state and increased revenue for people selling fireworks, but what additional costs will be incurred? Maine might find itself paying more in increased medical expenses than it ever gains in revenue. There will be lost income while people recover from injuries. Actually some people will make more money getting the injured to the emergency room and others will add to their earnings by treating them. The eye-patch industry will also see an increase in customers. I guess it’s like a double-bladed ax. It cuts both ways.

  • Anonymous

    There goes Republican campaign money from insurance companies next election.

  • Anonymous

    There goes Republicans’ campaign money from insurance companies.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

    The old West and ancient Iceland are extinct civilizations. I asked if you knew of any “true libertarian societies” which have succeeded (meaning, STILL in existence and going strong). You replied with an epic-length answer that has nothing to do with the realities and complexities of the modern world.

    So I’ll help you out: there are NO successful or thriving “libertarian societies”. None. And I really don’t know what this has to do with a Governor who wants to act like a totalitarian dictator.

  • Anonymous

    absolutely…

  • Anonymous

    And here are some statistics on alcohol which is legal in all 50 states.

    Alcohol is involved in 50% of all driving fatalities.

    Each year, a typical young person in the United States is inundated with more than 1,000 commercials for beer and wine coolers and several thousand fictional drinking incidents on television.

    In the United States, every 30 minutes someone is killed in an alcohol related traffic accident.

    Alcohol and alcohol related problems is costing the American economy at least $100,000,000 in health care and lost of productivity every year.

    Annual health care expenditures for alcohol-related problems amount to $22.5 billion.

  • Anonymous

    I doubt one day…once the gate it open the herd will run with it..we will be like some southern states..fireworks up and down the highways…just what we need!!! NOT

  • Anonymous

    Your comment says a lot about how insular the group of people you interact with is.

  • Anonymous

    “The old West and ancient Iceland are extinct civilizations.”
    -Extinct? Like the dinosaurs? Haha..I would say more like corrupted by government.

    “I asked if you knew of any “true libertarian societies” which have succeeded (meaning, STILL in existence and going strong). You replied with an epic-length answer that has nothing to do with the realities and complexities of the modern world.”

    -Realities and complexities like what? People like you who hate the thought of freedom and living in a world where people can succeed living under conditions of liberty and largely free trade?

    “So I’ll help you out: there are NO successful or thriving “libertarian societies”.”
    -I believe I addressed the fact that no free societies really truly exist today. You seem to be cheering that fact. Like living in a world where you weren’t burdened with the heavy yolk of government is somehow a bad thing. I don’t understand people like you who take offense to the idea of freedom and liberty. Does it scare you? Help me understand exactly why the idea of you being free somehow angers you. The idea that you should be able to trade freely with whomever you want to, the idea that you own yourself and the products of your labor in your mind is just absolute garbage and should be resisted at all costs. Odd really. I have never been able to wrap my mind around it.

    “And I really don’t know what this has to do with a Governor who wants to act like a totalitarian dictator.”

    -All politicians are nothing short of dictators. Again your logic is off. If the governor wants to free people then that is the opposite of what a dictator would do.

  • Anonymous

    ‘Whaah, want a crying towel?” I read that and then just went on to
    the next message on my disqus notification. I don’t even bother to
    read thru all of your rants any longer…..”Whaaa” …..maybe someone
    else is interested…..

  • Anonymous

    Oh my! Time will tell….

  • Anonymous

    Your employer has every right to tell an employee what they can and cannot say about anything. They can also tell you who you can and cannot speak with.

    Now as seeker101 observed, if the State Fire Marshall felt compelled to speak in front of the committee as a private citizen, no one could prevent him from doing that.

  • Anonymous

    I would ask for a link to that order or proof that the order exists.

  • Anonymous

    you pay taxes, your paying for people’s healthcare already.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_66ZAIIT2G52RMJ2WGCIFREBVZ4 Joe

    Kind of like when Jonny B silenced Mills with the health care suit, huh?

  • Anonymous

    “this will enhance the economics of the state of Maine and have a minimal impact on people.”

    It will especially enhance hospital’s economics. We have too many stupid people who end up in the hospital now, with fireworks against the law. Make them legal, and more stupid people will have the opportunity to blow off their hands – or worse.

  • Anonymous

    Safe fireworks? Hmm, enlighten me.
    ***************************
    my dear, I don’t think you can be “enlightened” even if someone stuck a Roman Candle up your a-s.

  • Tyke

    Enjoy your ride. You have earned it. All 38% of you.

    However be aware that your ride will last only 2 years when the legislature flips and within those two years your ride will break down and stop moving (or even be pushed back) repeatedly as legal challenges to changes in rules and laws that violate federal law or the Maine constitution wind through the court.

    After that, the embarrassing spectacle that is Lepage will help guarantee it will be at least another 30 years before Maine hands you the keys again!

  • Tyke

    “Show me one Obama official who he has volunteered to capital hill who went there to point out how wrong Obama is? “

    The most recent occurrences I am aware of:

    The head of NASA and several other high level officials testified in a congressional hearing against Obamas policies on space flight. It was all over the news awhile back . They gave as many interviews as they could get too.

    Several heads of branches of the military testified to congress against Obama’s stated policy potion on DADT and some went on the Sunday talk show circuit too.

    Guess how many of them were fired for it?

    None. No one. Nada. Zip.

  • Tyke

    He would have been fired. He wouldn’t be the first though, Lepage has already shown his arrogant angry side to employees who dare tell the legislature the truth.

  • Anonymous

    I agree with LePage!!! Great job…..keep the Fire Marshall out of it….they (FMO) I bet have enough of their special interest groups involved with this like they do other bills.

    GREAT JOB LePage!!!

  • Tyke

    What are you talking about? I know of two different health care suit and Dora Mills testified in both and was fully cross examined as well.

  • Anonymous

    And then he would have had a case for wrongful termination.

    And how has Governor LePage “shown his arrogant angry side to employees who dare tell the legislature the truth’? Examples please?

  • Anonymous

    Unsupervised children will get into trouble.

  • Anonymous

    ” He believes with so many people in the state already using consumer-type fireworks — such as firecrackers, bottle rockets and Roman candles — the state should allow the sale and use of fireworks and benefit from businesses that would sell the fireworks and taxes that would be generated.”

    Why is it for a mere $400,00 this reasoning makes sense, but for Maine’s largest cash crop, Marijuana, the state fears the danger and repercussions? Fireworks are inherently dangerous. Is a consenting adult enjoying a recreational puff any more dangerous?

  • Anonymous

    General McCystal was fired by Obama for talking. But why bring that up.

    And I was talking about people that Obama sent to Capital Hill. Did Obama send those NASA guys there to talk about their anti Obama views or were they called to Capital Hill, a request you can’t really turn down.

    Typcial Tyke. Apples and Oranges.

  • Anonymous

    “He believes with so many people in the state already using consumer-type fireworks — such as firecrackers, bottle rockets and Roman candles — the state should allow the sale and use of fireworks and benefit from businesses that would sell the fireworks and taxes that would be generated.”

    So this rational works for a mere $400,00, but doesn’t make sense for Maine’s largest cash crop? Flaming entertainment is really safer than an adult having a recreational puff?

  • Anonymous

    Are you suggesting that there are “changes in rules and laws that violate federal law or the Maine constitution”? Which ones exactly?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    Eliot Cutler competent haha who are you kidding he is nothing more than a dim minded narrow viewed enviroment loving trial lawyer. He would just been more of the same with a failed liberal agenda that has destroyed Maine’s economy, Cutler would have increased taxes on working folks while increasing social programs for welfare bums. While also giving huge taxpayer handouts to enviros, folks who like Dennis Bailey & Kurt Adams who have lived off taxpayers all of their adult lives. No thanks give us Conservatism and Independence anyday over Liberalism and Socialism.

  • Anonymous

    Obviously we live in a STATE. We are overwhelmed with STATE! We have STATE laws and STATE taxes and STATE regulations all designed to take care of poor little of YOU because poor little YOU doesn’t know right from wrong, and poor little YOU wouldn’t possibly be able to take care of himself if you didn’t have the STATE there to hold your hand! And heaven forbid, fireworks?
    Here’s a novel Idea. YOU break it YOU are responsible. YOU burn it down, YOU are responsible. YOU kill someone, YOU are responsible. If YOU are not smart enough to let go of the damned firework then YOU are responsible. NOT the STATE.

    See a pattern forming here?
    It’s called personal responsibility.
    Look it up sometime!

  • Anonymous

    Obviously you do not know the medical procedures and once again someone is resorting to name calling. Just hope you do not need the heart assist pump after making light of someone else’s cardiologic problems. Dick Cheney’s medical insurance as well as his supplemental insurance is his business. The fact that his insurance was paid for by the government is a perk granted to those employed by the federal government. Sometimes we do not have a choice of which health insurance will cover us. We go with the plans that our business selects or we select privatedly. But, other policies for which we paid, like Medicare, all our working lives were paid for by taking money from our checks. If you worked, you had to pay for it until you turned 65. Then, because the federal government saw fit to force it down the throats of the seniors, once you became eligible for it, no private insurance company would be your primary health insurance and would only sell the senior a supplemental health insurance policy. Before Medicare that was not the case. Go figure—the government got involved and I got screwed again and not by my choice.

    Don’t throw stones at Cheney, you may be the one living in the glass house next. Would you want your government mandated insurance to deny you the right to your life?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t really understand your response. You say “Conservatives can be against free healthcare and still support giving it to gov’t workers”.

    I assume you fully understand that when a gov’t worker goes to the doctor their insurance is paid for by the taxpayer. Same as it would be for a teacher . These people are getting what you call “free healthcare.” There is no difference between the insurance that senator snow gets and what the teachers get and what the guy who cleans the mens room at the state department gets as far as where it comes from – the taxpayer.

    In fact all government workers get universal single payer healthcare, which is what I advocate for everyone. I don’t understand why you think that the guy who cleans the mens room at the state department deserves taxpayer funded healthcare more than the independent trucker who has to buy his own insurance while at the same time paying for the cleaning guys insurance. I don’t understand why you think that it’s OK for gov’t workers get “free healthcare” but the rest us can’t. I’m self-employed and have to go into my pocket for a lousy health plan while paying for the “free insurance” for everyone else, and it’s not fair.

    In any case you did not respond to the fireworks issue, but thanks for your reply!

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t say leave it up to the state. While I think the state should set some basic guidelines, this type of thing should be left up to each individual town………I know I know, you love big government and hate to see small government work.

  • Anonymous

    I also wasn’t talking to you, quack.

  • Anonymous

    “State employees down to the lowest levels have gotten written orders not to ever talk to any legislator without vetting their words.” Where did you hear/read that?
    If so, it shows a lack of confidence. Differences of opinion should not be seen as threatening or in any way weakening another’s opinion/policy. Differences of opinion should be welcomed. What are they afraid of?

  • Anonymous

    Congressional committee have the power to compel (subpoena) a person to appear before them. They is also a federal charge called “contempt of Congress” for those people who decide not to appear or testify. Now the President can also exert “Executive Privilege” effectively preventing the person from appearing before Congress.

    I do not believe (and I am willing to admit that I could be wrong) the Maine Legislature holds the power to compel a person to appear before them nor do I believe they have a “Contempt of Legislature” provision (although I do believe that many people have held the legislature in contempt many, many times over the years).

  • Anonymous

    How is Fire Marshall Dean “unqualified”?

  • Anonymous

    The point is, cars are NECESSARY. Snowmobiles, skiing and hunting are longstanding Maine traditions. Unlike the sale of fireworks.
    *****************************************
    On the contrary, the sale of fireworks in Maine IS a longstanding tradition, and has been until they were recently banned (about 22 years ago, iirc). You remind me of those Temperence Tarts back in the late 19th century who managed to get alcohol banned, that eventually led to a Constitutional Amendment banning it and, several years later, an amendment that rescinded the ban.

  • Anonymous

    Good luck with that one!!!!

  • Tyke

    I did not bring up General McChrystal because that case is not related. The good general was relieved of a specific command after violating the Uniform Code of Military Justice’s Article 88. He was neither fired nor demoted. In fact Obama made special arrangements to allow McChrystal to retain his four-star rank (when he subsequently decided to retire several weeks later) even though McChrystal had not yet completed the requirements to do so.

    My comment mentioned several Generals who went to congress and the press to speak out against Obama’s policies. Both these Generals and all of the NASA officials testified in their professional capacities. Congress calls their own witnesses, not the president.

    You decided to ignore this because that is what you do: change the subject, distract and distort.

  • Anonymous

    I completely agree with you….but 131 likes? It happens often…..a few of the first posts posted end up with a mammoth amt. of likes!

    Anyway…..good post.

  • Anonymous

    Well why don’t you approach your representative and ask him/her to put a bill in the hopper asking that very thing?

  • Anonymous

    You expect someone to put in a bill that asks the legislature what is safer, pot or fireworks? It seems on the citizens dime, one should at least expect them to pass a law.

  • Anonymous

    adamspj having problems seeing through the “haze”. If you believe that “Maine’s largest cash crop” should be legalized, “why don’t you approach your representative and ask him/her to put a bill in the hopper asking that very thing?”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hersey-Katahdin/1567220183 Hersey Katahdin

    Another reason to dump ObamaCare

  • Anonymous

    When did I say that I believed that? I was merely questioning the rational behind the movement. Perhaps if more people questioned the rational behind each parties movement, rather than condescendingly framing people’s beliefs we wouldn’t exist in such a dichotomous system, where beliefs are taught, rather than decided on, and we don’t discuss issues as us vs. them.

  • Tyke

    And I wasn’t “talking” to you, I was answering Lisa.

    What’s your point?

  • Tyke

    “berries” would seem to imply he has exceptionally small versions of the body part you seem to be referring to.

  • Tyke

    “Did I put down bureaucrats?”

    Yes

  • Tyke

    schizophrenic

  • Tyke

    FUD is Don’s specialty

  • Tyke

    Here’s a trick that may help

  • Tyke

    I’ve seen it myself. Can’t say from whom without endangering his or her job …

  • Tyke

    The comment references Lepage’s order regarding ALL communications including private ones.

    Do try to keep up.

  • Tyke

    So your position is that the Fire marshal has been selected by multiple Police Commissioners to serve because he’s not the most qualified?

    OK – you’ve proven it is of no use to try to reason with you.

  • Anonymous

    Oh yes..they certainly will ..especially between the ages of 10 and 15…little imps~they need constant attention and guidance..if not..your sunk~

  • Tyke

    His appointment of the new DEP Commissioner is highly questionable at best and a legal challenge has already been filed. It appears to violate Maine statute as well as federal law.

    Nothing Lepage has proposed has made it into law or rule yet so they can’t be legally challenged yet.

    It’s coming though. An absolute certainty.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hersey-Katahdin/1567220183 Hersey Katahdin

    “But there will always be those who lack good judgement”

    So you’re one of those who are against paying for abortions?

  • Tyke

    Neither.

    try the people running it.

    Or someone who has indicated they are supporting it,

    since neither of us has.

  • Tyke

    quark read it right, you didn’t.

    Try again. This time without the lies about me please.

  • Anonymous

    Not good stuff, if so. He will be Governor for the rest of his term,
    though , and you know that. He was elected, so the people of this
    state will have to live with it, and just hope for the best.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hersey-Katahdin/1567220183 Hersey Katahdin

    Actually I like Whole Foods – seems that they are the Sam’s Club of the natural food stores !

    Which brings us to the fact the MCKay (sp) was slimed by the libs when he showed that there are real alternatives to be discussed about ObamaCare.

  • Centaurmyst

    You mean people smart enough not to vote for an unprofessional hot-headed blowhard? I would have to agree with you there. I like to surround myself with people who put a lot of thought and consideration into who they cast their votes for.

  • Anonymous

    You said this could not happen. Now your trying to worm out of admitting you where wrong and that my story has creditability.
    ***************************************
    I said that Pittsburg Glass (windshield safety glass) was designed to prevent drivers and passengers from having their face cut down to the bone in the event they bashed their face against the windshield. That was in response to your insistence that you saw a woman’s face cut down to the jawbone insuch an accident. I don’t have to “worm out” of anything, certainly not admitting that I was wrong, because I’m not wrong. In the story you posted above, there is NO indication that the driver’s face was slashed down to the bone. Perhaps you assumed so, I don’tknow—wishful thinking, maybe?

  • Anonymous

    You’re right. everything been moved up 3 months to next week, – cold or no cold, snow or no snow, sun or no sun – Mainers who looooooove Maine.

    (btw – 26 years of wood heat, no backup.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hersey-Katahdin/1567220183 Hersey Katahdin

    Please go finish your homework.. *shakes head*

    **eyeroll**

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hersey-Katahdin/1567220183 Hersey Katahdin

    LOL — Larry REALLY does talk to a lot of people !

  • Gowithit

    So much for “open government” a la Page style. Obviously, the concerns about fireworks expected to be aired by the Fire Marshal, most likely would create a barrier to the fireworks business. So, if you believe that someone may offer an opposing opinion to your view – then bar them. Or, better yet – tell ‘em to “kiss…” That’s the way we do business in Maine.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_66ZAIIT2G52RMJ2WGCIFREBVZ4 Joe

    AG Mills, on National Health Care not Dr. Dora. Read the article your self.
    http://new.bangordailynews.com/2010/03/25/politics/maine-attorney-general-wonrsquot-join-health-suit/

    The Gov. himself was pulling her strings and everyone knows it.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry for the mistake schizophrenic paranoia….phsycotard

  • Anonymous

    So how many jobs is legalizing fireworks going to bring to Maine????

    LePage needs to get his head out of his you-know-what and get to work!!!!

  • Gowithit

    So much for government – a la Page.

  • Anonymous

    Jill, teens and young adults, even if they are drunk, aren’t going to set off fireworks in the woods because they won’t be able to SEE them. They bring fireworks in now from out of state, and they don’t set them off in the woods. Why do you believe that if these same teens and young adults are able to purchase these same fireworks without having to go to New Hampshire, they will somehow turn into total and complete morons and set them off in the woods?

    You said: “And, it’s even MORE ridiculous that game wardens and fire marshalls can’t speak. That’s like having a case and allowing the prosecution to present their case while the defense isn’t allowed to.”
    ****************************
    First of all, LePage barred the State Fire Marshal from the hearing. It in NO way is ANYthing like not permitting a defense attorney from presenting his/her case! The State Fire Marshal is an Administrative position appointed by the GOVERNOR and serves at the pleasure of the governor. The State Fire Marshal’s Office is part of the Executive Branch. The governor is their ultimate boss. Therefore, if the State Fire Marshal wants to keep his job, he or she will do what his/her BOSS tells him to do, unless the governor or other boss orders him/her to do something illegal.

    In the future, I won’t say duh, I apologize for insulting you.

    Smokey the Bear would still make a nice rug! ….once you got rid of those silly blue jeans…the hat is ok, though ;-)

  • Tyke

    Yeah! Damn the BDN for forcing Lepage to act like a spoiled child … again!

  • Tyke

    There’s is nothing “implying that the Conservatives aren’t intelligent” in the prior comment.

    Your reply exemplifies the comment.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_66ZAIIT2G52RMJ2WGCIFREBVZ4 Joe

    Bravo! Bravo!
    Alas, we shall never see it. Man’s greatest flaw is his greed and it passes on from generation to generation like a genetic defect.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_66ZAIIT2G52RMJ2WGCIFREBVZ4 Joe

    I think that makes him a hate monger or was that a racist???? Oh I get so confused!!!

  • Anonymous

    The public hearing was yesterday. I wonder how many times in this article you are going to keep repeating the same “information” clearly plucked directly from your rectum and try to pass it off as fact. Only time will tell…
    **********************************
    Actually, I “plucked” the information out of the article where one of the Reps interviewed refered to the meeting as a Work Session. I’ll stop posting when you admit that ANY governor has the absolute authority to do this because the governor is the ultimate boss of the State Fire Marshal. When Baldacci did this very same thing, where was your indignation and false accusations?

  • Anonymous

    EXACTLY, congress calls their own witnesses which means Obama did not send them there nor did he have the option to tell them not to testify. Not sure how I ignore this fact when it is mentioned in the post you responded to. I said people can’t turn down invites to Capital Hill. The thing you claim I decided to ignore is the ONLY thing I was talking about.

    It is apples and oranges because Obama did not send them to Capital Hill to argue against his policies, they were called there. It isn’t even close to the same thing.

  • Anonymous

    I know. He only used the word stupid 4 times in his post and called the two republicans in his post stupid. You are totally correct, there are NO references to conservatives being stupid. Thanks for clearing that up.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MMXWLO3AAKLJMQ77DBUUIDBAD4 Edie Doty

    Hmmmm…. I advocate we have fewer ill-conceived arguments like this. I’m against them. In any form.

  • Anonymous

    Actually Frankforter it is you that are wrong. That WAS the PUBLIC hearing set aside for anyone wishing to comment to speak.
    ****************************************
    My mistake—I believed this to be a Work Session because that is what one ofthe Reps who was interviewed for this article called it. However, my mistake in the actual occurrence has no bearing on the ban on the Fire Marshal speaking, testifying, giving his opinion, whatever you want to call it today…. Simply said, theState Fire Marshal is an Administrative post, appointed by the governor, and serves at the behest of the governor. The governor is his BOSS and the BOSS can give orders that must be carried out (unless they are illegal) if the appointee wants to keep his appointed position.

    Centaurmyst, this is what you wrote to DonMcKenzie: ” “Riddle me this, Don…why is it okay for LePage to outright ban the fire marshall from exercising his 1st Amendment Right to Freedom of Speech? That is a blatant example of the government denying the constitutional rights of a citizen. I thought you Tea Party folks were big defenders of the Constitution. Sorry dude, but that is very hypocritical to give LePage a pass for this. “”
    **************************
    It is OK for the Governor to prohibit his appointees from speaking/testifying in their official capacity, because the Governor is their BOSS. In case you may have forgotten, the 1st amendment says “CONGRESS shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech…” The Governor is not Congress, the Governor is the Chief Executive—therefore, the Governor can regulate speech by his appointees when they are acting in their OFFICIAL capacity.
    The Governor is not denying the Fire Marshal’s Constitutional rights. If the Fire Marshal, in his capacity as a private citizen, wishes to speak, he may do so. He can write a letter to the editor expressing his views on the bill and sign it simply, John Dean (anytown, Maine). This is basically what I said in my response to your statement to DonMackenzie, but you didn’t address that fact—you instead jumped all over my mistaken belief that it was a Work Session. Would you care to address the fact that your entire accusation against the Governor is wrong?

  • Anonymous

    Well I think employers should provide health care for their workers and those people mentioned work for the government. And by the way teachers in this state don’t get free health care. Money comes out of their checks. Not sure about other government employees.

    I certainly am in favor of making it more affordable but I don’t think a government that is 14 trillion in debt should be rewarding laziness the way we already do. We are making it too easy for people to just sit at home and live off the government.

    I don’t know what fireworks issue I am supposed to address. ??? I don’t want to get into what is covered under your dream health plan and what isn’t. I’ve never been involved in a debate on whether getting hurt committing an unlawful act should be covered and I don’t want to start now. No offense. If there was something else, let me know and I’ll try to answer.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    Well let’s see the right to have fireworks, the right not to wear my seat belt should be my choice, the right to not have my money redistribute to welfare bums, enviros, unions and folks like Dennis Bailey, Angus King , Kurt Adams folks who put their handout wanting to live off of folks like me, the right until this year have casinos etc. We don’t need Maine Democrats like Emily Cain, Elsie Flemmings, Sharon Treat, Cynthia Dill and John Martin telling Mainers including me how to live our lives because they have shown they aren’t good at anything.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MMXWLO3AAKLJMQ77DBUUIDBAD4 Edie Doty

    Thank goodness! I just don’t know how we’ve managed without fireworks in the state of Maine. I’ve always said, “Yes, Maine is the way life should be — except for the fact that we don’t have fireworks.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    He is using Obama Math.

  • Anonymous

    Who gives a hoot how big the guys testicles are? Is there anything someone says that you won’t turn around in their face? The guy was obviously trying to say it without being crude. But leave it to Tyke to point out that if you really want to say he has big balls then you should have said NUTS or maybe SACK. Thanks Tyke. You really can’t leave anything alone can you?

  • Anonymous

    Are there ways to pinpoint which houses are owned by conservatives so I can make sure to shoot my fireworks in a different direction?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    Oh please everyone has been doing it for decades , as I stated in one of my post I live in Madison the neighborhood I live in you have alot of houses close together and my neighbor shoots off the fireworks all the time from his driveway into an old little league field out behind my house. There has never been an issue and he has lived in my area for close to 10 years now. We need to stop the scare tactics from the Liberals they would have us have no rights to do anything we want if they had their choice.

  • Anonymous

    Okay, I’m sitting here reading these comments and maybe I missed one, but doesn’t anyone realize how much money is going to be made when Marden’s becomes the sole licensed retailer of fireworks?? Please, there is nothing sublime about this guy that 29 percent of you elected, he’s as transparent as glass.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    I disagree the Maine Socialist Party and folks like King and Baldacci was heading us into that path with their failed economic redistribution job killing agenda. We voted them out hopefully for good and can rebuild our state on a path to freedom and prosperity for all Mainers.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    I will be glad when Lepage puts in welfare reform so folks like you will have to fire up the car and go job hunting and stop living off of me.

  • Anonymous

    You are one ignoramus. Quit telling other people who you do not know
    how they live. My husband and adult children would not like it. You
    know zilch about our lives, or anyone anonymous poster here.
    Myob….and stop taking up all my time with your incessant posting
    (and get to work.)

  • Anonymous

    Also, China and South Vietnam. They are thriving with the help of unregulated capitalism.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    You comparing Somalia I am also comparing 3 other Communist & Socialist countries. One of which the Spaghetti Slinger (Baldacci) visited in office (Cuba) him and his administration visited with Fidel , Baldacci and John Richardson (who was one of the folks who went) wanted to implement some of Fidel’s economic policies and healthcare policies here.

  • Larry T. Doughty

    Wrong again. Now, how about you going to bed, and get your rest. You’ve just responded to my quote of 11 hours ago. You have been on this computer all day long. Come on now take a break , get caught up on your rest for the next story.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    If we can not have fireworks. Does that mean I along with other Mainers can stop having our hard earned money going to Welfare Bums, Unions, Environmentalist, NAACP, NRCM, MMA (one of the groups who oppose this), MCEP, Equality Special Rights Maine, Abortion Groups, Dennis Bailey, Angus King, Kurt Adams etc.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    I will be glad when Welfare Reform is passed alot of folks including you better start up the car and better get used to the career center because the gravy train is running out.

  • Anonymous

    I know little about welfare as we have worked all our lives and have
    adult children.

    Now run along. And there is help out there (issues….)

  • Anonymous

    Speaking of fireworks, fires and injuries. This is merely a republican jobs program. Slow but surely I can see all the good paying jobs coming to Maine.
    We’ll have more people selling fireworks, so we’ll need more people in fire departments and more people in the medical field to care for the injured.
    I don’t want to think about the other people we’ll need if the fire departments and medical people can’t take care of it.
    That damn liberal nanny state.
    Go lepage!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    He is nothing more than a Liberal Hack Baldacci supporter well his opinion isn’t going to work this time. The Liberal Dems are powerless and the vote will likely not go their way boo hoo. Time for these folks get with reality we voted for change for a reason we are sick of being treated like little kids. We are sick of their stupid first in the nation laws that do absolutely nothing but cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars to enforce, We Want Jobs & Prosperity, We Want our Casinos, Fireworks and other freedoms that come with conservatism. You don’t get that with Liberal Socialist Democrats in charge if anything we go back to the horse & buggy days ” dark ages” if they were to stay in charge.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHX45U2CXGSVSENJWFP5DMZWLI Jason

    He should be fired and go work for the Maine Democrat Party he is nothing more than a shill for them. He has done nothing good as the Fire Marshall except shill for the DEMS when they know they need his help to pass their anti-people agenda. Because everyone was getting fed up with the Dems and the way they do things here in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    Another mistaken post….

    LePage 38.1%
    Cutler 36.7%
    Mitchell 19%
    Moody 5%
    Scott 1%

  • Anonymous

    Jobs, that’s a topic I thought no one would get around to. While we’re wasting our time talking about fireworks, we’re not talking about the 800 pound gorilla in the room.
    All these little side distractions are working just fine for those who don’t want address the issue that the last election was all about. Good jobs.

  • Anonymous

    Jason, here are your words from the earlier post – “The guy is nothing more than a partisan unqualifed liberal hack…”

    Now would you like to answer my question and list how Fire Marshall Dean is “unqualified”?

  • Anonymous

    Let them eat cake or pie or any nonsense issue as long as we don’t have to address the real problems.
    I don’t think this crew in Augusta knows how to responsibly deal with the situation or do they care to.
    It’s all about the money.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=512104869 Roy Blenkhorn

    actually the statistics are only kept because fireworks are illegal. How much do you want to bet the statistics are artificially inflated.

  • Anonymous

    Maine does not have a “recall” mechanism in the State Constitution. He can be impeached but not recalled.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t believe a law will cut it. The State Constitution is very clear on how a Constitutional Officer can be removed and that is through impeachment. It would require an amendment to the state constitution.

  • Anonymous

    What “Maine statute” and “federal law” would that be?

  • Anonymous

    Those darn dems!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1589216185 Tim Cottle

    I wonder how many fire marshals would be opposed to putting lepage out if he caught himself on fire with his bottle rockets.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    The assumptions being made by commenters on this site are incorrect. The Fire Marshal will testify before the committee on this legislation, as they deliberate on the measure.

    The preliminary hearing was for the public, the legislature, and concerned organizations. The Fire Marshal will have plenty of opportunities to make his viewpoint known later.

    He is not being “denied” an opportunity to give input – he has merely been asked to delay that input until the deliberation process.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    Some of the assumptions being made by commenters on this site are incorrect. The Fire Marshal will testify before the committee on this legislation, as they deliberate on the measure.

    The preliminary hearing was for the public, the legislature, and concerned organizations. The Fire Marshal will have plenty of opportunities to make his viewpoint known later.

    He is not being “denied” an opportunity to give input – he has merely been asked to delay that input until the deliberation process.

  • Anonymous

    They are not illegal in NH. I don’t see any more fires there than in ME. The increased fire argument is lame.

  • Anonymous

    What exactly do you mean by “downeast dirty” turkey turd? Or is that your euphemism for “Liberal”? Are you AND Paul just making sh*t up as you go?

    You both are an embarrassment!

    Cheap fireworks awaiting you at Mardens (you should have bought ‘em, when you saw ‘em)

  • Anonymous

    Very succinctly stated!

  • Anonymous

    In the hands of a liberal, I think they are

  • Anonymous

    Which is the biggect CROCK of ANYTHING the STATE mandates!!!!

  • Anonymous

    And if Bull sh*t was snow he’d be a blizzard…..

  • Anonymous

    I like your style

  • Anonymous

    My position is we BAN ‘em all! No more candles! Please, let’s all have a march down Congress St. in Portland to bring awareness to the evils that candles bring to our state! Anyone caught within 100 ft. of a wick should be held strictly accountable! Especially when it comes to kids birthday parties. Or even worse MINE!

  • Anonymous

    Can’t you smell the troll?

  • Anonymous

    How many oxen were used to help drag out all the state of the art fire equipment of the mid 19th century? Gawd!!!

  • Anonymous

    lmao!, fire safety certainly HAS improved since then Don. They banned fireworks, lol.

  • Anonymous

    At least as a lawyer Cutler would have known that Brown isn’t qualified to run DEP. I’m willing to overlook some ideology in exchange for literacy.

  • Anonymous

    They must be using the same oxen to pull their fine, state of the art fire equipment! YA MULE!!!!

  • Anonymous

    They do a lot of things in MA and NH but that don’t make them right.

    It’s just crazy that the governor told the State Fire Marshal, who is also past president of the National Association of State Fire Marshals, not to testify on legalizing something that has the word “fire” right in it. Medical experts are against it too. All of this for some sales tax revenue on a product that isn’t made in Maine and is (presumably) a seasonal item at best?

  • Anonymous

    Does this Guest “person” EVER say anything that isn’t removed? I’ve never read one post…

  • Anonymous

    Good one Centaurmyst! Maybe a conflict of interest? lol.

  • Anonymous

    Ah, yes. Let’s all prop up the service centers, because with every vehicle being so computerized these days, it’s SO easy to keep your vehicle in perfect order. This is the ONE THING that keeps me in AZ. As long as the exhaust works, you’re good – and we don’t have accidents left and right because ten year old vehicles show a little wear and tear. Keep throwing yourselves under the bus, my fellow Mainers. At least it has perfect treads.

  • Anonymous

    My bad, wrong percentage. However it still means that 61% did not vote for this buffoon, so what’s your point??

  • Anonymous

    No we just sit around waiting for you geniuses to tell us what is best for us. Typical GOP maneuver surround yourself with like minded ideologues and stroke each other. Maine the way life used to be before GOP Yes we lost but so did you the difference some of us know it.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe GOP should have a bill to take away maine care for anyone who uses fireworks. Mardens is open, do something for the economy, go eat some whoopie pies, you can now open them with a switch blade, dont have to tip the waitres and if your not happy with your pie blow it up. This is all of course if you could find a job to buy the whoopie pie and fireworks etc. I know the GOP is going to use the fireworks to celebrate their complete takeover of the gullible masses.

  • Anonymous

    Who cares, what is the correlation here. Stoves keep us warm whats that got to do with LePage using GOP tactics which is what this is about. Even us Liberals would like to be able to buy and use fireworks. We do not want Governor Lepage to act like the biggest pig at the feeding troth. It would be nice if he could just be civil and informed but I guess that idea can go to hell and you can kiss his if you don’t like it. Typical Republican laughing at you from the low moral ground.

  • Anonymous

    Republican

  • Anonymous

    Good luck with that. Le Page saves Maine. Wow some people believe anything as long as it is subjectively in their corner.

  • Anonymous

    Please take the word leadership lightly as I would not call it that. Otherwise I agree 100%

  • Anonymous

    Then it has never happened if you are not aware it just never happened. Maybe because they were regulated!!!

  • Anonymous

    Good point, we can also rebuild houses burned down which will create jobs. Chinese make great fireworks will surely help the economy as soon as they own it all. And Marden’s can sell them/

  • Anonymous

    Did not need a lot there were not as many homes as now. They actually had room to use fireworks.

  • Anonymous

    The right also lost the election. They just don’t know it YET, except about 5% of them which the party really represents. And that excludes you whoever you are.

  • Anonymous

    i never get to actually *read* Guest’s comments…they are always comment removed!

    lol

  • Anonymous

    My point? Simple, in your haste to discredit the Governor you used the wrong percentage. Pretty funny actually. And the “61% that didn’t vote for him” didn’t vote for the same person or Governor LePage would not be Governor now would they?

  • Anonymous

    With all those things removed he must not have many of them left…

  • Anonymous

    So what do all those firework companies make in the southern states than?

  • Anonymous

    He has been in office one month, ONE MONTH. His future will be determined in the months to come. If things get better who knows what could happen.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed. But if they’re going to use them anyway, I’d rather they bought them here than bring them in.

  • Anonymous

    And who would those people be Tyke?

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like you’re very unhappy in your job. Why don’t you find another line of work that suits your temperament better?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XJC6GWVAKM37VD6SHP24AR2SNQ hotdog123

    OK my problem is this story is about Lepage BANNING the fire marshall from being able to testify. What happened to less government intervention from the republicans and the tea party crowd? Only when it fits their need it looks like to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1063165669 Jill Fletcher

    …. What about the local game wardens? I think the regular game warden who’s job it affects should get a say.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1063165669 Jill Fletcher

    … Go finish yours since your comment has no merit. Exactly what point do you present with:

    “Go do your homework”

    In regards to what? What do you think I’m wrong about?

    If you can’t state that or express it, maybe you should refrain from posting? =)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1063165669 Jill Fletcher

    Yeah the whole gag aspect is a main sticking point with me in general >.>

  • Anonymous

    Again, Your Governor does not need me to discredit him, he continues to do so himself, daily. Truly I miss Jock McKernon and never would I have thought I would utter those words. I didn’t realize how prideful I was of my native state until your boy took office. I’ll bet next week’s paycheck that Cutler ousts him in 2014. Unfortunately 4 years will have passed and Maine will be the laughing stock of the nation. Wanna bet?

  • Anonymous

    A case for wrongful termination? You must be joking. No one has a case for wrongful termination unless there has been a violation of the whistle blower’s act or the anti-discrimination laws. Most employers are smart enough to invent a legal reason for termination, like “my nephew needed a job.”

  • Anonymous

    I love my job. What I don’t love is when the government that I didn’t elect into office (who promised to speak for ALL Mainers) is trying to kill my fire brothers and me.

  • Anonymous

    This article seems to be a hot topic…..
    Looks like to me the BDN might be stirring the pot a little…….
    They like to use words that they know people will get irate over…..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSMG4AZFPUCUQOLUGT742CF3LU Sean

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  • Anonymous

    What right does the governor have to bar the Fire Marshall, or anyone else for that matter, from a hearing? The Fire Marshal , of all people should be able to provide testimony in a fire related issue. “My mind is made up don’t confuse me with the facts.” My concern is injury from unsupervised use of fireworks by children. At least being illegal makes it more difficult for children to access fireworks. Most get ahold of them because stupid parents buy them out of state and don’t make sure the kids can’t get at them…

  • Anonymous

    Centaur is one of many on here who suffer from LDS. Better known as LePage Derangement Syndrome.

  • Anonymous

    Spin it if it makes you feel better.The reality is the lefts policy’s are going away in maine .That is all i care about.

  • Anonymous

    really your lefty leader along with other members of congress were touting voting for revenge after 9/11.Afghanistan again your leader has added troops to fight the taliban and alQaeda.The bush tax cuts i do believe was extended just recently.It was your leader that paid the unions big money and let company’s like gm go bankrupt with our money also.Facts are facts after all.

  • Anonymous

    Maine finally has a chance to come out of the nanny state after 30 years of liberal entitlements and whacko policy’s.Maybe we can have business invest in the state without years of fighting .

  • Anonymous

    Another example on here of LDS. Lepage Derangement Syndrome.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe you should change your name to TreeKILLER.

  • Anonymous

    It is tough just to sit by and watch.You will get use to it .the bill payers have been doing it for 30 years.if lepage has broken laws other than the lefty feelings laws then i agree.please tell me where laws have been broken other than ideology.

  • http://katahdin.myopenid.com/ FrankC

    Amen to what?

  • Centaurmyst

    First impressions matter a lot and after the in my 40 plus years I have never seen any politician make this bad of a first impression. Not even Sarah Palin made this bad of a first impression, at least not so quickly.

  • Centaurmyst

    Not quite…I’m just anti-stupid.

  • Anonymous

    You will find the dry pine needles UNDER the pine tree. There will be no carpet of them on open ground well away from the trees. (Unless you moved them there.)

    You create hypothetical situations that rarely if ever exist in the real world to support your opinion.

  • Centaurmyst

    Not cake or pie…let them eat whoopie pies, lol.

  • Anonymous

    You should look up the definition of insular. And then a period of meditation where you engage in introspection could be beneficial.

  • Anonymous

    LDS, (LePage Derangement Syndrome), is treatable with professional help.

    The syndrome is indicated when vitriol and hate is directed at a politician directly and not just at his policies.

  • Centaurmyst

    You’re such a silly little thing, seeker. I don’t hate LePage at all. I feel sorry for him, actually. I just think he is, well, stupid and immature. He isn’t suitable for being in any position of power because his temperament is kinda sucky.

  • Anonymous

    You really have a thing about wildfires. Are you from California? We rarely get “wildfires” like they get there or in some other parts of the country. Weather conditions here occur only occasionally that would support such a fire and generally warnings about high fire danger are well publicized.

    As for Maine’s forests being gone. Take a look. There isn’t much left. It’s mostly been cut to h*ll. And I know of no one who is going to be shooting off fireworks deep in the Maine forest where no one can see or enjoy them.

  • http://katahdin.myopenid.com/ FrankC

    LOL – You’ve been waiting for that set-up !! ;=}

  • http://katahdin.myopenid.com/ FrankC

    And you’re governor of what state? Or CEO of what business? Can you really get away with that?

  • Anonymous

    When compared to your temperament? LMAO

  • Anonymous

    I guess you haven’t read your own comments then.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1628932330 Naran Row-Spaulding

    That’s why I’ve renamed it the “Bangor Daily Noogie.”
    :)

  • Anonymous

    …. What about the local game wardens? I think the regular game warden who’s job it affects should get a say.
    ********************************
    “Game Wardens”????? Are you freakin’ SERIOUS?

  • Gowithit

    The headline states that the Fire Marshal was “barred” from attending. I mean – well, is that necessary to bar someone from attending a meeting because you “already know” how he stands on an issue? We do live in Maine – a democracy?

    And, why is it that immediately following a declaratory ruling by Le Page, that his press and supporters have to define what was really meant? This seems to be rampant amongst Tea Party people.

    Gladly, Le Page doesn’t skipper a ship or an MTB. After launching a torpedo, it would be a little late for anything – except perhaps “Whoops!”

    As with all critics of Le Page, his supporters denigrate everyone who disagrees with their master’s edict. Most refer to Liberals as if they are a soiled commodity not worthy of igniting a firecracker of opposition.

  • Anonymous

    It makes me very uncomfortable that the Fire Marshall, with significant expertise in this area, is silenced from offering his informed opinion on a bill like this because his position doesn’t line up with the administration.
    *******************************************
    Did it make you just as uncomfortable when Baldacci “silenced political appointees from offering their informed opinions”?

  • Anonymous

    And if it was YOUR job to bust your butt putting out the fire, you’d have a different opinion! And if it was YOUR house next door the to one burning down, you’d have a different opinion!
    ******************************
    Princess, the State Fire Marshal doesn’t put out fires….that would be your paid city and volunteer town firefighters.
    You seem to have this odd obsession with forest fires and house fires that are started by fireworks—I wonder exactly how many of these forest fires and house fires are attributed solely to the use of fireworks?
    My dear, I “busted my butt” in law enforcement for many, many years. My opinion hasn’t changed on the individual right to keep and bear arms. I don’t have an unnatural fear of the public owning firearms.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XJC6GWVAKM37VD6SHP24AR2SNQ hotdog123

    naran, what type of “being denied” do you not understand? He is BANNED from giving testimony, even if it is a preliminary hearing. Your opinion of merely on this issue sounds like a one sided stance. The same one as the Lepage admin.

  • Anonymous

    But why this fire marshall was not allowed to speak during this hearing is not acceptable. What were they afraid of? Not a very open process.
    ******************************
    Cher, the State Fire Marshal is an Administrative position appointed by and under the direction of the Governor. When the legislature was debating on and holding an open hearing on Same-Sex Marriage, do you think Gov. Baldacci would have barred one of his appointees from addressing the legislature if the appointee was AGAINST same-sex marriage?

  • Anonymous

    A case for wrongful termination? You must be joking. No one has a case for wrongful termination unless there has been a violation of the whistle blower’s act or the anti-discrimination laws. Most employers are smart enough to invent a legal reason for termination, like “my nephew needed a job.”
    **************************************
    You are correct in that he wouldn’t have a case for wrongful termination—but that is only because the Fire Marshal is an APPOINTED position, and the appointee serves at the pleasure of the Governor. Their appointment doesn’t automatically “transfer over” to the new administration.

  • Anonymous

    It’s just wrong, whether legal or not, to bar the fire danger argument from a fireworks debate.
    ***********************************
    Doc, the legislature already has the Fire Marshal’s opinion—he’s given it many times over. But seriously, what is he goig to say that hasn’t already been said on these pages? What ishe going to say that the legislature doesn’t know already, or can easily obtain from a 5 minute search ofthe Office of the State Fire Marshal website? Do you really think that when a bill is in public comment, that the legislature keeps a tally of “for and against” and when it’s all over, the side with the most comments “wins”?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know if he would have or not, and neither do you.

  • Anonymous

    The Governor has every right to tell an employee that he/she cannot give testimony. Now if the Legislature had subpoena power than you are talking about something different. But as it sits right now, he has that power.

  • Anonymous

    Steve63_10 and SingleTrackGirl: “Guest” is not an actual
    poster/person. When the moderator or whomever removes a post now, that
    is the disclaimer put up – “Guest.” I’m not sure why.

  • Anonymous

    First lets correct a misconception on your part. He is not “my” Governor, he is “our” Governor.

    Second I did not vote for Governor LePage, I voted for Eliot Cutler. One of the things I found troubling (that 39% of the electorate either did not or choose to ignore) was his “my way or the highway” mentality.

    Third, Eliot Cutler has not even announced that he will run in four years. Time will tell and I am sure that the Democrats will have a better candidate to put up this time around too.

  • Anonymous

    In the article above it sates that NH selles fireworks but doesn’t allow people in state to use them. This is why there are no fires….. Is this what ME is proposing? Selling them and not using them in the state? I don’t think that would work here since we are the end of the line…

  • Anonymous

    You and I both know that as a FF we stand a greater chance of dieing from a cardiac event than from a fire, explosion, motor vehicle accident, etc…

  • Anonymous

    And we’ve got plenty of DUMB people to go around
    *********************************
    yes, I have to agree with you that we’ve got plenty of dumb people to go around—but the amount is ECLIPSED by the number of “chicken littles” here.

  • Anonymous

    Well we live in a State, Maine to be exact…. Maybe you can do without this State if so why are you here commenting on a newspaper article about our State?

  • Anonymous

    Can you point out the right to bare fireworks that our founding fathers worked so hard to afford us? There is no right to bare fireworks, or drive cars, or own homes these are all privileges. If you have wanted fireworks for so long what has kept you in Maine?

  • Anonymous

    And all the care for the people who thought it would be a great idea to use fireworks without health care. We all know LaPage is against that

  • Anonymous

    Unless you are a lobbyist or a corporation

  • Anonymous

    All of Maine has lost 8^(

  • Anonymous

    In the article it reads that you cannot shoot off fire works in NH you can buy them there but you can’t use them there legally

  • Anonymous

    No they want the fireworks salesman to testify that fireworks are super and they are going to save Maine by creating thousands of jobs and generating a ton of revenue.

  • Anonymous

    You mean all the Chinese jobs right? Since that is where fireworks are made…..

  • Anonymous

    Yep and now that LaPage has his job, no one in Maine is going to get anything….well except his daughter that is.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think anyone is pro welfare abuse. So where are the hearings on this? Oh wait….Legalizing fireworks is much more important

  • Anonymous

    When did this become a health care referendum? lol I belive the issue is that OUR Govenor didn’t like what the fire marshall was going to say so he was asked not to participate. Very ethical and a great example to set for our State.

  • Anonymous

    I believe I missed the part of the constitution that gave all citizens the absolute right to fireworks…

  • Anonymous

    And then send him running for the hills!

  • Anonymous

    “Fireworks are as American as Apple Pie”, if the apples are from China…

  • Anonymous

    I hear a lot of F the Nanny State, is someone forcing you to stay here?

  • Anonymous

    ok first I think alcohol and tobacco kill more people than fireworks, only about 11 people in the U.S die from fireworks a year. From alcohol 100,000 a year to alcohol related deaths and from tobacco ooooo wow over 400,000 a year OMG just legalize it people are giving money to New Hampshire because people from Maine are driving down there to get fireworks and have some fun. It would make Maine some money. You don’t have to legalize all the kinds maybe the one’s that stay on the ground at least.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, many may want to do that!

  • Anonymous

    “I hear a lot of F the Nanny State, is someone forcing you to stay here?”

    Please tell me where can I go where people believe in the individual over the collective? Where freedom and liberty come first and free trade is the only trade?

    Do you have a place in mind where I am allowed to live my life in peace in any way I see fit as long as I do not prevent someone else from doing the same?

    I don’t have any choices of where I can go, but you do.

    Socialism? Go to Sweden, Germany, France—or pretty much anywhere else in Europe

    If you want fascism, take a plane to South America. You will be in common company I’m sure.

    If you want communism, try North Korea, China, Cuba.

    If you want a theocracy, Iran might be your paradise, or head on over to Vatican City.

    No? How about absolute monarchy? Swaziland perhaps? You can help make the king even more powerful with your wonderful ideas.

    Sounds like you have your “pick of the litter”. Do write when you find work, won’t you?

    I on the other hand will stay here and try to restore this place to what the founders had intended. A FREE COUNTRY.

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