BIDDEFORD, Maine — A landlord has been charged with two counts of murder after a standoff in Biddeford that left two teenagers dead and the mother of one of the teens in the hospital with a gunshot wound, according to police.
Maine State Police said a dispute over snow removal and parking preceded the shootings.
The bodies of Derrick Thompson, 19, and his girlfriend, Alivia Welch, 18, were found inside a Sodokis Road house on Saturday evening after the standoff ended at about 10 p.m., Sgt. Mark Holmquist of the Maine State Police Major Crimes Unit said Sunday afternoon.
James Pak, 74, who owns and resides in the two-unit Cape Cod-style house, has been charged with two counts of murder in connection with the deaths and could face additional charges after the state Attorney General’s Office reviews the case, Holmquist said. According to a Monday press release, Pak will make his initial appearance at 1 p.m. Monday in York County Superior Court in Alfred.
Holmquist said Pak does not appear to have a criminal history in Maine.
Thompson’s mother, Susan Johnson, 44, who also was shot, was taken to Maine Medical Center in Portland, where she is in stable condition, Holmquist said.
Johnson’s 7-year-old son, who was hiding in a bedroom at the back of the apartment, was uninjured and is staying with family members, he said.
Holmquist said that Biddeford police initially were called to 17A Sodokis Road around 6 p.m. to look into a report of a dispute between Pak and Thompson.
“The issues specifically identified that day were snow removal in the yard and cars not being moved” during Saturday’s snowstorm, Holmquist said. He said the family had been renting from Pak since October.
The officers left shortly before 7 p.m. after determining that no crime had been committed and that no serious threat had been made by Pak, the sergeant said.
“Derrick Thompson told police officers that he did not feel threatened by Mr. Pak and his actions,” he said.
Three minutes later, the officers were called back to the scene after Susan Johnson reported that shots had been fired, Holmquist said.
After an initial assessment it was determined that Thompson and Welch were in grave condition, that Johnson was wounded and that the alleged shooter was still inside, he said.
“Two Biddeford officers were able to get [Susan Johnson and her child] out of the house and into a neighbor’s residence to safety,” he said.
After establishing a perimeter, Biddeford police called in the state police tactical team as well as crisis negotiators with the state police and the Biddeford Police Department.
Pak surrendered to police shortly before 10 p.m., after nearly three hours of talking with the crisis negotiators, Holmquist said. He said that a pistol was used in the shootings but declined to provide specifics.
Holmquist said Sunday that it was not clear how long the landlord-tenant dispute had been going on when the shootings took place or if other conflicts had been in play.
“We’re still looking into that,” he said.
Andrew Lemelin, 19, who lives across the street from the Pak home, told the Maine Sunday Telegram that Pak was known in the neighborhood for getting angry at his neighbors.
Lemelin also said he knew some of the former tenants, who described Pak as a horrible landlord who would peer in their windows.
At the time of this death, Derrick Thompson was employed by Real Clean, a company that provides auto dealers with employees who clean and detail vehicles, according to a post on Patriot Subaru’s Facebook page.
“We are shocked and deeply saddened to hear the news about Derrick Thompson (19) and his girlfriend Alivia Welch (18) of Biddeford were shot and killed yesterday,” the post said. “ … Derrick had worked on and off with Patriot, and was close to a number of the associates. Our sincerest condolences to the families involved, we are grieving for your loss.”
The shootings remain under investigation by state and Biddeford police, who planned to remain at the house most of Sunday gathering evidence and conducting interviews, Holmquist said.
The bodies of the two teens were transported Sunday morning to the State Medical Examiner’s Office in Augusta, where autopsies were expected to begin Sunday afternoon.
TIME TO BAN GUNS!
Time to BAN people like you
time to ban people with guns
Time to ban you
if he would have killed them with a rock would you ban rocks too ? rocks dont kill people… people kill people
i was being sarcastic LOL
he lacked problem solving skills —- and was too eager to reach for the gun to solve a problem. Got a guy like that at home?? Throw him out..You are right, it’s the guys WITH the gun who are the problem.. Maybe the first question women should ask on that first date is “do you own a gun’ ? if the answer is yes…move on…Maybe THAT is the way to solve the “gun” problem. WOMEN power.
Right, rolling pins don’t kill people, people kill people. We need to ban rocks and rolling pins too.
Time to ban the media!!
yet,here you are, on a media outlet, banging away at the keyboard….
Something really wound you up this morning!
et tu, brutus?
Brute
brut. i love champagne
one has bubbles, the other took a sword !
omg. brutus didn’t ‘take’ a sword….he ‘gave’ the sword.
before you call me an elitist blah blah blah…we read Shakespeare’s Julius Ceasar in the 10th grade, public high school, here in Maine. that’s where, “et tu, Brutus” comes from.
more champagne, please.
Once again Brute ! and if you read this, How did Brutus die and why? He killed himself because of the truth…. Et Tu Brute… Enjoy your champagne :)
i think i will name my snow shovel “champagne”, that’s as close as I will get this morning.
i forgot brutus died at the same dagger that killed Ceasar, of course, that’s not when “et tu, Brutus?” was said.
…going to go drag my knuckles in the snow now. take care.
We did Macbeth
i notice you changed your McSpelling.
good for you.
ps. save me the trouble: 16 likes tells me: 1) you equate popularity with being right 2) that obama supporters are out enjoying the snow
Our country’s legal system is arranged so that if you are the majority you ARE right.
You have to push the “a” key on this computer real hard, since that is done by a pinky, Mac sometimes becomes Mc.
BUT
That shouldn’t be a problem everyone knows Mac Beth was Scottish.
If you think the Constitution was set up for ‘majority rule’ you are sadly mistaken.
The founding fathers feared the ‘tyranny of the majority’. They did not trust the majority to protect the rights of minorities. So, they established the Supreme Court, and granted its power under the Supremacy Clause, which establishes the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land and the SCOTUS its arbiter.
Just so there is no confusion: majority rule is not established in the Constitution, far from it.
Time to start reading for content rather than to correct grammatical errors and spelling mistakes.
Our LEGAL system was set up so the majority (in those days white males) always won. In the early days, women, blacks, and people without land could not vote, sit on juries, or serve in government office. The Supreme Court (as you say arbiter) was White Christian Male EXCLUSIVELY until in 1916 Woodrow Wilson appointed Louis Brandise a Jew. Today the Court is hardly diverse as it includes three Jews and six Catholics. There have never been any Orthodox Christians, Mormons, Pentecostals, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists or atheists on the court.
Yeah, I know the rumor.. that we were set up with “equality” in mind. no such deal. Ask the Native people, Jefferson’s slaves, or the grunt soldiers who served under Washington and were defrauded by him after the war.
I’m sorry, but you could not be more incorrect. Some of your history is correct, but you have the Constitution way out of context.
The demographic make up of the court is not indicative of its purpose.
Again, the Supremacy clause states the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
…and subject to amendment at anytime, ergo about as worthless as the paper it’s written on. There are no ‘Bill of Right’s’, merely a set of privileges. Which can be revoked at anytime.
The ‘Constitution’, one of America’s great myths.
of course, it’s a living document. We get the democracy we deserve.
I agree with your pessimism, however, I fault the electorate, for our low level of education and participation, not the Constitution itself.
Without a doubt. But let’s look at the how’s and the what. Which is to say that America was never design for the ‘common person’.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMqJvhmD5Yg
That so called American dream is some of the greatest b.s. ever told.
pessimism is easy. what is difficult is taking something good, and making it great.
that’s our challenge. take a good constitution and make a great country.
Of course you are correct about the revoking process, BUT that requires a declaration of Marshall Law, or an amendment. Marshall Law in the situation you describe would be damn tough to enforce on 310 million people spread over .half a planet, and the amendment process is Byzantine requiring a 3/4ths Majority of States, congressmen and people.
Semantics !
Bottom line we really don’t have any ‘real rights’.
It’s an illusion. Or still better a ‘delusion’ of thought.
I believe it is you that makes the big leap from “intent” to practice.. Even the “intent” is on shaky ground. When the Constitution was written it said “We the people” which meant a bunch of rich white protestant men.
In the early days of this Republic women were forbidden to speak in church, a black man was worth only 3/4 of a white man, and he had no “rights” and towns like Darian Connecticut had signs at their borders saying “No Jews.” In some New England towns, the town owned the church.and hired the pastor.
People, the majority of people, changed the constitution so that a woman could speak anywhere she damned well pleased, a black man and a white man were equal (under the law) and Jews could live anyplace they could afford to purchase property.
The “supreme” law of the land has in the past often been in error. the majority of citizens saw that error and made a new “supreme law.”
‘We the people’ have never made any corrections ! Understand that.
And the more they try to strip those so called rights away, it get’s less and less of a chance we could ever be able to do it anyway.
You see, in order for real change to take place in any country, one that is meaningful at least is by an armed revolution. Think that could ever happen in America ?
Not a chance, between the government trying to curtail gun rights, (and there is that reason why) 3/4 of the population are under the influence of one drug or another. (all planned of course)
Keep ’em stone, lazy and stupid. We couldn’t pick our own noses.
Article VI, Clause 2. Supremacy.
Everything you are saying is true, but does not negate the Supremacy clause. The constitution is a living document, it was never intended to be perfect from the outset.
Latin to French- Oui, et moi.
And here I thought you were a demur thing! LOL!
it was a reference to Julius Ceasar, but feel free to translate, it does lose it’s meaning, though.
i think i will name my snow shovel “champagne”, that’s as close as I will get this morning.
take care.
I knew what it was, but I couldn’t respond in Latin, so I used French. It was ‘yes, and me’ to your ‘you, too, Brutus?’
It was Shakespeare that actually coined that phrase, not Julius btw
Julius Ceasar is the name of the play written by Wm Shakespeare about the Roman Emperor of the same name.
hope that keeps everyone happy
His death at the hands of senators was real, the rest was pure literary license.
wow, that’s great. i’m glad you realize Shakespeare was a dramatist.
wth?
Too bad a jovial discussion went so downhill….
Meth… There’s lots of meth in Maine.
From another thread;
“There is addiction in my family.”
If they weren’t glorifying it, I wouldn’t be here. A simple little article would be sufficient. Nobody would have to think of a better scenario than the last guy just to get attention. Thats what its all about. “I can do one better than that guy….” and so it goes on. These crazies need to be locked up and treated before they do these things. We need mental health maximum security facilities for them, not prisons. Prisons do not have enough of the trained people to deal with these people. Security is not mental health doctors. We need to go back to good old insane asylums.
How come they never write about GOOD gun shootings like the one in San Antonio?
http://www.woai.com/mostpopular/story/Deputy-shoots-gunman-at-San-Antonio-movie-theater/2wFsix5ntU2CDrsHjXx2kQ.cspx
I am sure I don’t know the people so I honestly don’t care.. Heck they would have a parade if it happened to me..
Trust me its jack being contray.
contrary.
two r’s.
thank you :)
what’s a contray? is that how people eat food in prison? lol
you’ve met your fan, he can’t spell either.
i can spell i just horreebale at it reely badd
con tray
Is that with baloney sandwich or spam? lol
ban jack….jeesum.
jessum? really…lol they love me here
TIME TO BAN CARS ROLLING PINS AND KNIVES. More people die from those than guns.
Matt, crawl back in your bunker and seal your pie hole. Your rant is not doing any favors for the family of the deceased or your scholarly interpretation of our constitution.
She doesn’t care about your rights,Pfft. Your Constitutionally protected freedoms ney ney .But offend her sense of decorum, now we’ve got a problem.
Regarding 2nd Amendment rights and militias…..
The British are not coming!! I repeat…THE BRITISH ARE NOT COMING!
(Nor are the Russians, Huns, Celts, Germans, Danes, Vikings, Klingons, Mayans, Hobbits– nor the Marxists!!)
Only we, ourselves…
Famous last words of every over-confident citizen from every empire in history… and then the unthinkable eventually happened. BTW, the marxists aren’t coming, they are here now in our white house, and this is somewhat of a concern to freedom-loving citizens who legally own firearms.
This freedom loving American voted for the current president. In your case, Matt, I think is something else at play, like a disease, or emotional disorder. No disrespect intended, but you seem paranoid.
Yes I am so confident in Obama. He always follows through on his promises.
specially when it comes to drones.
Hey single he got 16 likes. What does that tell you?
Frankly I am not the slightest bit afraid of “Marxists” That economic system will never work, because human nature is as it is. BUT come on, how can “To each according to need, from each according to ability” be a bad goal to shoot (pardon the pun) for.
I havta agree with you on this one, Tux.
“The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.” ~ Margaret Thatcher
ODD but it was capitalist running out of other people’s money that crashed the economy….
Yeah that’s why Obama just gave his pals Joe B. and Congress a raise. Look it up.
Do you actually believe that the people here are in some way in love with our current President? I voted for him because Romney stood up and told the truth. He doesn’t care about the middle class, only his friends who make scads of cash by buying US companies and putting them out of business. Then selling the parts.
I did that for awhile in a small way I called my business a “”Auto recycling facility”
sub the word liberal for socialist and she’s still right.
Yes. A lot of them sound paranoid.
Professor Collins?
You read a couple of books and participate on right-wing forums and now you’re a PhD?
GOOD one
The unthinkable HAS happened, and it is ruling by executive decree.
God help the USA.
consider this matt—-it was the capitalists( not the socialists) going over board that “broke it” I know too deep a thought to consider
Repeating an inaccurate statement, doesn’t make it true.
Never stopped PF before or later.
I agree with Dawn upstream. It’s not guns that scare most people. It’s ignorant fanatics with guns who believe in conspiracy theories and have an unhealthy level of paranoia.
Just because you feel paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.
The government certainly has more than enough ability to scan forums such as these, flag key words and trace users back to their home address. Who knows, maybe you or I are on one of their lists? ;)
Been happening for years.
They are here and they have drones, and they won’t be afraid to use them either.
Marxists in the White House? Good grief. Turn off Fox.
the first step on the road to tyranny is to disarm the populace.
Your pea-shooters won’t have any effect upon the US military anyway.
Nope but I won’t go like a lamb. You don’t get it at all, The government has been stripping us of rights for years. Our drivers license (that many people need to get to work) is a “privilege” There is no place in the US constitution which allows the State to grant “privilege” That is because the British Crown did that all the time, and it wasn’t fair. Our founding fathers (for all their faults) had realization of the damage a restrictive all powerful government could do to people and their individual spirit.
Today The State doesn’t have to bring you to court to prove you didn’t follow the law. They just strip you of driver’s and professional licenses till you toe the mark. fall in line, conform.
They have subverted the concept of civil law so that they can try folks without a lawyer, collect their fines, and even force folks to face trial twice for the same offense if they didn’t like the first verdict.
For me the argument over second amendment rights (THAT’S RIGHTS!) has less to do with guns than it has to do with the government once again attempting to steal my birthright.
YOU don’t get it .YOU are being brain washed. And apparently you lost your driver license BECAUSE you weren’t paying your court ordered child support. and decided to defy it .. so the rest of us are supporting your kids on TANF Tell the WHOLE truth why don’t you??
The state doesn’t just TAKE your drivers license for NO reason and you KNOW it. . Your birthright includes paying to support your OWN kids and NOT expecting OTHERS to do it.! Am I right or what??.
YUP the law says if you don’t pay your child support the state CAN take various steps to “encourage” and compel you to do so—-.like take your licenses away. OH boo hoo. THAT is what all this angry white man rage is about?? You didn’t take personal responsibility.and expected taxpayers( TANF) to pay for your kids.You have got NO legitimate beef with BIG BAD government You simply got “caught” not paying your child support ..Am I right or what ??
Actually I have never lost my drivers license and I have no blood related offspring.
Guess that makes the rest of your post irrelevant.
You have offspring without blood? LOL
Funny story that. Lets just say the DNA doesn’t match.
Bummer. :(
“They just strip you of driver’s and professional licenses till you toe the mark. fall in line, conform.” fake rage. You conveniently neglected to say WHY the state can take licenses. I was simply filling in the blank ….glad you have no offspring.
That’s for sure, and what else is new.
Thanks for reminding that it is time to clean my cuckoo clock.
You are right, BUT no matter HOW many guns you have you will not stand a CHANCE in H*LL against them. Just who do you think you will attack to defend that right?? What good will it do to kill a few people over it before they take you down???? Your family down. Did it matter during the Holocaust??? What are you going to do when they enforce this law that we all have to be micro-chipped??? That is coming as well. The government does it under the guise that it is to *protect us* just like the takeover at every airport in this country for supposed *terrorists*. We believed this crap as a nation and allow them to violate us every time we go to the airport…they even have FULL BODY scans to see every part of us, etc. There are too many sheep here today in our country and too many that care more about material possessions…their technology, etc versus the reality of what is happening around us. Our government realizes this and they also realize that they can tell us any load of crap and we’ll believe it…and if we don’t and attempt to take a stand (such as those that took a stand about corporate banks) we don’t have a regular police force any longer…no it is beyond that, but we don’t see that…instead those people that were protesting were the one’s made to look like maniacs. People didn’t see what was really going on. That is the scary part. We let this happen and now it’s too late to go back. No amount of guns or ammo will correct this.
I have no “attack plans” my weapons are defensive in nature.
Well a bunch of ill equiped rag tag Afghans seem to be doing pretty well against the combined might of several major military nations now don’t they?
Simplify things much?
Freedom fighters dont go down easy.
You are really enjoying a fantasy in which you and like-minded weapons collectors stand up against our elected government, like some kind of movie heroes.
Not at all,
I merely pointed out to the original poster that the Afghan irregulars are doing rather well against the most powerful, technologically advanced force on the planet.
And no, no one is going to stand up against our elected government. But what do you think will happen when we UN-elect this government? Do you think that this bureaucracy is going to just say “OK, this little experiment didn’t work, let’s try something else” There are 1,458,000 troops in the US armed forces, a small fraction of whom are actuall warfighters. There are 314,686,189 people in the US. Not bad odds.
“When we un-elect this government…”
You appear to be assuming that if the next Presidential election does not produce a Republican President, the US military will attempt a takeover, on orders from Democrats? Are you forgetting how quietly the Democrats permitted GW Bush to assume the Presidency, though it was obvious that the Supreme Court had fraudulently stopped ballot counting and essentially crowned him President?
Sorry,
I’m not a D or an R, in fact that is the root cause of our problem. Corporations own both the D’s and the R’s, they are simply 2 sides of the same coin. I would like to return to a true representative democracy, not ruled by the likes of Grover Norquist, the Koch Bros, & George Soros.
you’ve got to be joking….there seems to be a lot of damage done to pysche of those who support such a military by the simple use of IEDs
bring your military, we’re not going anywhere and you’ll eventually turn your tail and run, you’re dear leader has already established that fact
Serious question. What is it you are afraid of?? Why are you stockpiling ? Other then, because someone ( beck, The NRA , your regular black back grounded website) got in your head and ‘scared you ” and told you to.. to prepare for the revolution. Revolution for what?? Just who do you think is coming after you and your guns?? You all aren’t all that important.(but maybe want to be) I think it is FREEDOM that you fear ( not adore) and HOPE to take THAT from others.PS We aren’t going to let you do that .
you got no “we”
so this guy was being tyranized by his FAMILY ???
Actually, the first step is an uninformed electorate. So, keep ignoring the media (by labeling it lame stream) and bury your nose is blogs and partisan media. Until you are so clueless you have no idea what is going on and think your presidential candidate is going to win Ohio.
good point— what are ditto heads but people who have lost their freedom of thought?. The brainwashing began decades ago on talk radio with Rush then expanded to Beck etc . There is a reason they want to keep you isolated and keep your sources of info in THEIR control and isolated as well. It makes it easier to manipulate you . How many times do they lambaste Main Stream Media. and why?? Think about it. It’s called “MAIN stream “.media for a reason.
WE want to keep YOU isolated. So youcan’t spread.
The first step on the road to tyranny by gun-toting nutcases is for them to amass a private arsenal.
our government is, one step at a time.. They will tell you where to live what to eat and weather or not you are worthy of a doctors care. Don’t be weirding out now.
So sad…uninformed!
Really…where you live? What you eat? You’ve been spoon fed something, and might perhaps look for some type of care.
Last comment to you troll!
Hey I hate to point something out to you. MOST “regulation :” is because some dufus didn’t use his brain “on loan from god” to use good judgement and to do the right thing all on his own. And then the people DEMANDED someone MAKE him “do the right thing ” by creating laws to protect them FROM the evil defiant ones
I LIKE regulation and have demanded it —– especially that which protects ME …. funny thing I don’t like tainted food or other products.I didn’t like rivers brown with foam Or air that was thick with the scent of rotten eggs. or land under schools being used as toxic dumps for industrialist .
Freedom well all have it —-use it ; don’t abuse it, or you will LOSE it.The people RIGHT now ARE DEMANDING tighter gun ownership restriction—. to keep them SAFE!!!
the greatest threat to public safety will come during the revolt that takes place when folks like you attempt to take away the people’s firearms
I have no interest in taking away any one’s GUN . I ,by the way, I am a gun owner and I am NOT worried about anyone taking it away.
I do support sensible gun regulation to prevent mass murder like: banning multi clips/magazines and auto and semi autos.. like REAL back ground checks…. like regulating PRIVATE guns sales and GUN “shows”. Why anyone would go gah gah an oppose those limited and sensible restriction is WAY beyond me.!!!
liar
I totally agree!!
No one is trying to TAKE away people’s firearms! They SHOULD, however, take away ASSAULT weapons and should have never had them to begin with. These nutcases that are now running around like raped apes and buying up these horrible weapons need to be locked up. Obviously their mental status is warped! If it’s about protecting yourself and your family, a regular gun will do just fine!
Protecting yourself from whom is the question regulators
“The people RIGHT now ARE DEMANDING tighter gun ownership restriction”
Realize, of course, that you are speaking for yourself. Most of the rest of us have done no such thing….and I don’t own any guns myself.
EVEN 64% of NRA member support tighter gun regulation.. so even the HARD core are starting to get some common sense… and “defy” their leaders in the NRA.
BS. You are making stuff up again.
I think its more on the line that NRA members are fairly upright ans conservative with how they handle their gun, like having gun safes or locked gun closets, etc
Ms Lanza should have had her guns locked up.
They were locked up FrankC Her kid stole her keys, her guns and her car.
Nobody hter gun control. Maybe the network new is and a couple people on this blog, but thats it.. The shooting in Conn was done with pistols, the so called assult firearm was found in the car and was never used.. icked you into believing it was and you fell for it, hook line and sinker. That is way Obama is pushing for total control before people find out.
thank you beltrams. The Second Amendment keeps the First Amendment around.
sorry but government is NOT the problem ( that is so yesterday) …well congress might be the problem THESE days but…
You think and unarmed population would be free from 100% government control of all aspects of life… hahaha…
We have met the enemy, and he is us – Pogo.
“Us” is the democrat faction of our voting populace
they are part of us, and are the enemy
You are nucking futs.
What about Uncle Sam ?
What about him…are you expecting company?
Seriously
Between the comments here and the article itself….
HAVE PEOPLE LOST THEIR MINDS?!??!
Happens to all animals when they over populate and get to crowded.
Maine is densely populated? :
Tux’s mind seems to be densely populated … with something.
Yes,Maine is populated with lots of dense people.
Nice comeback. what are you now tyke… four?
Well into my 80’s.
Second childhood then?
At least 3rd or 4th by now.
Ok I mis-read you/ You are a good sport.
Humor and tongue in cheek do not translate well to the posted comment.
Don’t feed the trolls Tux.
The planet is densely populated.
Indeed. And some day there will be real war for resources. Though as of now, we here in the US have it made. So the animalistic “culling” hardly makes sense (unless you meant something else.)
Why are homicide rates in the US higher than far more populated India or China? Why are some urban areas (even those in which people are packed in like sardines) safer than others?
Well, if we focus on the comments here, then no, people have not “lost their minds.” They’ve lost “there minds” and “they’re minds,” but not “their minds,” sadly.
the usage is… their mind is proper! denotes ownership.. so ure wong..haha mind is singular!
Boy you really need to get a life H Handbag.
Jack after reading your postings…. maybe ya should act a little less twacked…you ajnt right!!!!
What is going on in Maine? Seems I’m reading about one of these every week now. What is setting these people off? I don’t want to disarm anyone but if this keeps happening laws are going to get changed.
Southern Maine has finally become Northern Massachusetts.
finally?
Yeah, I know. It’s been going that way for decades. Gross!
i agree,, finally?.. southern maine has been northern mass for years! and it sucks
Man killed in a stabbing in Bangor the other day. It has little to do with southern Maine.
Stabbing, but they don’t call for banning knife ownership.
Didn’t a few people get murdered and burned to death up here in “southern Canada” recently?
Drugs are bad.
Stay away from drugs.
Yeah but that guy was from Rhode Island, so he don’t count!
I’m guessing this is a family dispute. No one will ever solve that problem.
one less “gun in the home’ might have had different and less fatal consequences though –like sitting down and talking instead that never killed anyone —OMG NO, not THAT—- problem solving, ,leaving the home safely, taking a breather, going over to your BUD’ s house,or any of the many OTHER alternatives that NORMAL people use to solve family disputes and conflicts . MOST families don”t “go for the gun ” first Most people DON’T have a gun and don’t solve problems with a gun.
post holidays are difficult times. Got a gun in the home? The best way to “protect your family” is to get rid of it..
Tell that to the family that was attacked with a machette in their home, or the older women who was beaten to death in her home (all in Maine). If you are so naive, that you think that the combination of drugs (bathsalts craze) , and a poor economy (wait till the fiscal cliffs stops unemployment checks) will not lead to more home invasions and resultant violent crime, I truly feel sorry for you and your family. What are you going to tell your children after they have been victims of a violent home invasion?
Yeh, more guns. STAT. After all, Nancy Lanza owned at least four guns. And we all know how safe that made her.
If you let the Jackal into your home, nothing will make you safe. NOTHING!
Bunch of bunk. He stole her guns and her car.
Right! Home invasions on the rise, gun sales on the rise, for protection of self and family. When seconds count the cops are minutes away.
People who have guns in the home are more likely to be wounded or killed by guns, than people who don’t.
It’s simple. You have guns, you are at a HIGHER risk of gun violence, whether accidental or intentional.
People who do not keep knives in their homes are statistically far less likely to be injured as well. People who wear helmets while driving suffer fewer head injuries in accidents. If you keep guns in the house, you and your entire household needs to to be trained in gun safety. If you don’t keep guns in your house and someone breaks in with ill intent. God help you
I didn’t see that this was a family related issue, but landlord/renter issue
the story was “updated “.
Sorry I still don’t see any relation between the landlord and the renters.
Are you saying one of the victims is related to the landlord?
There were over 500 shooting deaths and over 2500 shooting victims in Chicago this year, the city of gun control, they were all done by people who could not legally obtain a gun since no one can legally obtain a gun. How’s that gun control working for you?
It’s not! Won’t ever support laws like those in Maine.
Where do you think people in Chicago get their guns? From guns that started out legally. People come to Maine to legally get guns to take to NYC, DC, etc.
All your so-called “illegal” guns came from someone as a legal gun, and they were all sold to make a profit.
That is the ultimate NRA goal: profit from the sale of weaponry. And the scared righties are sure pumping the millions or billions into the product now… many of which will eventually make their way into the hands of bad guys, further repeating the cycle.
NRA Plan
1. Promote Guns
2. Claim guns = safety
3. ????? (Solved! Develop mass hysteria about how all the bad guys have , so the good guys need to buy guns to stay safe.)
4. PROFIT!
Repeats Steps 3 and 4 over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. The scared sheep will gladly pay for their guns, and gladly sell them later to someone who isn’t supposed to have them.
never happen.
he really is PRETTYFOOLISH that’s for sure.
what is setting these people off.?…. a sense of entitlement and rights being jacked up by radio hosts , other so called entertainers , the NRA , The TP angry white men, people parading around with guns to try to NORMALIZE bad behavior etc… at least this guy didn’t have the courage to “off himself” too. He’ll actually do some time and have some consequences for his bad behavior.
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If you have a gun in the home it might be a good time to hide it some where safe away from these entitelement rights type nuts..
Yes, angry, white men, and so on and so on, but here’s something…..approximately 5800 of the gun homicides in this country in 2009 were perpetrated by a person of color, overwhelmingly male, while another 5300 or so were committed by a white person…also mainly male. The thing is, people of color are only about 1/5th to 1/4 of the population. (African Americans comprise 12.5 percent of the population.) So a very small segment of the population is committing the *majority* of the murders (gun murders in the case of my numbers above.)
I work with African American teens all day in my work and I know a comment such as the above will seem racist at first take, but the facts are the facts and we have to face them if we are going to slow down murder even further (I say even further because murder rates have plummeted in this country, despite people’s perceptions.)
The idea that all the murders are committed by angry, white men is off the mark. Young men of color commit murder at a rate about 6 times greater.
Another take that says it’s a white man’s problem is racist in and of itself.
The Virginia Tech shooting was perpetrated by a South Korean student, but that has gotten lost in the debate as well, again, because it doesn’t fit in with the agenda of some people, not necessarily your agenda, but of some people on the left, especially.
Wrong. We need more amred citizens not less. If the mother had a gun her kids might be alive now.
I’m pro-gun, I have my concealed firearms permit and I do carry but laws are going to change.
good luck. How do you ban guns?
They will not ban guns but I see limits on what you can own coming very soon.
I’m more concerned about registration than banning. That’s the “control” issue. Wait and see.
God forbid that it’s easy to trace your weapon to make sure you handle it responsibly.
People are flying off the deep end ALL over the country. This has BEEN a 24/7 problem in other states and you guys (especially with many minorities) are just NOW seeing it. Another problem is too many people on drugs here and many of them own guns.
unbelievable.
Guns don’t kill people…people kill people….people with guys kill people.
Guns don’t kill people. Funny thing is, people without guns don’t kill that many people either.
he he
Oops yes they do, in Oklahoma city and in New York….lots and lots of people. and in the case of the airplanes hitting the WTC, one person with a gun willing to use it could have saved a bunch of folks. But as we know airplanes have been gun free zones ever since that off duty New York Cop stopped the hijacking to Cuba in the 1970’s.
Yes, we have domestic terrorism and the whole war on terror thing is misguided. I agree with you.
I’m not anti gun…it was a bit of sarcasm. but you have to admit, even if you are pro-gun that a lot of irresponsible people own firearms.
as a footnote, i think most people who ‘carry’ are paranoid, though, so i think the whole nation is over armed. sure, sure, there were terrorists on the plane and a gun would have saved them, but how many people are going to die because Bubba-Blasthiseffingheadoff thinks someone is ‘not American’ enough. there are very few people who i trust to make a decision about who is a threat and who isn’t.
Better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun and not have one.
Chicago has strongest gun laws in US and they just hit 500 dead this year from guns. Gun laws don’t work you’re right.
… and pushing people off subway platforms lets not forget.
yup and they shouldn’t have guns that the who point of ‘gun control”
Was there any miorities involved or Gays. We sure don’t want any hate crimes here in Maine.. I don’t want the state to be known as a bunch redneck bigots.
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.
Free speech and political participation are far more productive forms of ‘teeth’.
Don’t shoot. I support the 2nd Amendment.
Both are important and too many do neither these days.
Your pea-shooters won’t have any effect upon the US military.
Kept Japan from coming ashore though didn’t it! I don’t
expect to be shooting at the military or any other government
officials. Don’t take yourself or all these opinions quite so
seriously and literally. You’ll have a better day that way. ;=/
A well-regulated militia would have had the same effect upon Japan.
Put the joint down.
Lol!
That commonly repeated (and lame) talking point is getting a lot of play for some reason.
There were far more logistics preventing a land invasion than just US citizens with guns – it was a factor, but a tiny factor. Japan didn’t have the kind of Navy, nor Army and support system that an invasion 5,000 miles away would have required.
We had a massive military advantage, and the advantage of the massive archipelago to advance step by step through in our approach of Japan, which any Pacific invasion force would have lacked coming this direction.
Japan had a massive military advantage would be closer to the truth.
Pre-WW2 – yes – by the time we fought them? No. The transformation that took us from insignificant power, to world superpower happened in an extremely short time period.
Duh – they made the decision pre-WW2 !!
The point actually is NOT lame but reasonably accurate.
Duh…the logistics and resources necessary for an invasion simply did not exist – armed Americans or not. Japan’s goals were by and large China/Indonesia/Phillipine in design, not in conquering the US. Pearl Harbor was more a defensive manuever than an offensive.
By no means do I disagree that an armed US would put on one heIIuva guerrilla war, simply that there was never a realistic scenario for Japan to invade. Present it as a factor? Sure. Present it as a sole reason – yeah, that’s lame.
Talk is mute .. more currently, I wondered if the folks in Iran had had guns, they might have been able to continue their uprising. I was an early user of twitter, and it was quite .. .. don’t know the word – sad and exciting and scary .. oh well
I still wonder what Iran would be like today if Eisenhower hadn’t removed Mosaddegh – replacing a democratically elected leader with a puppet dictator. A possible ally in Iran and a far more peaceful middle east? Maybe. Always fun to imagine.
Ironically, it was our successes in WW2 that gave us a big head and the idea that we could transform the world in whatever form we deemed best. :
I thought we were taking about people owning guns not international politics. Why I mentioned the Iran uprising. I actually thought that folks would see through Obama’s facade as he effectively killed freedom for many Iranians.
I guess you’re just too used to deflecting discussions to seem to make a point. Maybe I’m too quick to judge.
BTW – I didn’t think it was Eisenhower but powers pre-Nato that did that.
Deflection is bringing up 65 year old history to justify gun ownership in 2012. Deflection is bringing up Iran when one has nothing to rebut an argument about Japan with. Deflection is bringing up deflection to cover deflection. ;)
You will have to explain how Obama “killed freedom” for many Iranians. Though in doing so, you might find that it all comes back to 1953, since that is when democratic vote in Iran was snubbed out by Eisenhower’s decision to go forward with the coup.
As if the Japanese Navy could’ve landed tens of thousands of troops on American shores without anyone noticing their ships docking… as if their Air Force could have landed at American airfields, or parachuted in tens of thousands of soldiers without our own military noticing that there seemed to be an awful lot of planes in the sky with funny markings… as if their Army would’ve marked straight across the Pacific into California… except they were scared because many Americans own guns.
small arms, mainly firearms have kept the US military at bay in Afghanistan and Iraq for a decade. Same thing in the jungles of Vietnam and the streets of Mogadishu.
Low tech – small arms, IEDS yes, though primarily PR, landscape and a (reasonable, though obviously not complete) respect for human life have kept the military at bay. If the full might of the US military were unleashed, the places you named would be little more than craters. The small arms would be useless.
Fanatics like Jack, think they could hole up in the bunkers and fend off the military in some glorious rehashing of the civil war. They don’t understand that their houses (or compounds) could be painted, and annihilated with the presses of a few buttons.
And that’s about the ONLY places that they are needed…other than for police officers!
That’s not up to you to decide for other citizens. Never will be.
The US military has no authority on American soil but that won’t stop this administration who doesn’t seem to need authority for anything. Most of our military men and women will not fire on Americans but I will tell you this, any military person who fires on American citizens deserves to die for being a traitor.
and they WILL die for being a traitor……that’s what the second amendment is all about, to protect us from the out-of-control, tyrannical government the democrat left is trying FORCE upon us
stand up people and take note of who your neighbors are and where they stand when it comes to your god-given human freedom
yeah,yeah, yeah you all envision yourselves as some freedom fighters. We see you all as just a bunch of loose cannons and loons with guns— bent on domestic violence, all Tim McVeigh like.I want government PROTECTING me from the likes of you.
In order to be a “freedom fighter ” your FREEDOM needs to actually be threatened. It’s NOT.( well maybe in your imagination it is) . Electing a black President and then re-electiing him isn’t a threat to your freedom.
.I find it VERY odd that all this sudden talk about freedom and “annie get you gun to protect it ” started the DAY we elected the first black President In 2008, on TALK radio . Actually it started DURING that election with doom and gloom prediction , SHOULD Obama win. The call to arms started DURING the election of 2008.” OMG if HE wins there’ is going to be a revolution!!People are going to be thrown in concentration camps blah blah blah” ” NEVER happened, folks .!!
Talk radio literally went into a MELTDOWN on election day 2008 because they and their “bad” behavior LOST them the election…. They went into hysteria. They did the SAME thing in 2012. They just cannot admit the MAJORITY doesn’t like their views of the world or them PERIOD!!!! 10% of the population listens to them —a MERE 10% !!! and half of them are “liberals” like me keeping an ear on their latest “thing” of the week,as we run OUR errand with the radio on.
They spend EVERY day trying to justify their very existence to their advertisers so THEY can make money , as they wee wee and whip up the unstable . They spend every day trying to make up the newest “thing”for you to be “outraged” about. and you repeat it here..
And the ditto heads “fall for it . What dupes .No one,,but talk radio, is threatening your “freedoms” …free and independent thought Isn’t allowed there. Only good little ditto heads are.
TLDR TLDR TLDR
Try 166 words or less
Actually, I’m counting on the National Guard to protect us, if the rag-tag 2nd Amendment-spouting self-described “militia” starts acting on the drivel it receives from hate groups and rises up against our elected government.
Natl Guard will take orders from the Government. They are no protection like citizen militia would be.
I want the National Guard to protect me FROM the “citizen militia.”
The citizens need protection from gun grabbers like you.
remember Kent State??
Do you have a point?
The National Guard is a state militia which can be used as Federal military because of the DICK act but in the case of Kent State, the National Guard was mobilized on an order of the Ohio Governor. I won’t elaborate on the details of right and wrong because it would end up being a book.
I stand by my statement that ANY military who fires on American citizens is a traitor.
Defending the US against all enemies foreign and domestic is part of the military oath isn’t it? No, I don’t want to see it happen, though military being ordered to put down a legitimate threat to the US would hardly constitute betrayal.
did you ever see the aftermath of katrina?
yeah, the “military” that has no authority on american soil went door to door confiscating firearms. ready to shoot those who didn’t follow their orders.
Why has the federal govt gotten over a billion rounds of ammunition for non-military agencies, just this last year?
oh for GD’s sake!!! Re- circulating THAT rumor YET AGAIN?? Go check what “fact check “has to say about that. You are totally brain washed .
Ok – give your link you think is objective.
Here’s mine: https://www.fbo.gov/
No one’s claiming no ammunition was ordered. The point is that it’s a standard order for ammunition used in standard ways that have been going on for many years, and has nothing to do with the wild conspiracy theories that hate groups and conservative media have been fomenting.
Also look at Snopes–urban legend–http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp
Thank you – snopes doesn’t let you copy
TRUE – SSA issues a RFP for 174K rounds of hollow point bullets
Why does Social Security Admin need any bullets? Huh huh ?
Then they go on whitewashiung –
Snopes whitewashes anything NEGATIVE to democrat & liberal positions. If it isn’t political, I sorta trust them. Otherwise it’s 100% half truths and when it out and out proof that a democrat is bad – they’ll do a 5,000 word dissertation, blah blah .. to make it look like they’re fair. Same as for SDt Pete Times or whatever
Well, at least you’ve gotten more realistic in terms of numbers, from claiming “a billion” to less than 200,000. If you read the Snopes article, you’d have seen which agents are armed and why… and you wouldn’t have had to go “Huh huh?”
excuse me? you may want to give that some thought. if you took every gun owner in the us, tell what army in the whole world would want to mess with that. pea shooters or not, get a clue.
It wouldn’t matter the military power would overcome all your firearms unless you folks are hoarding WMD’s along with those ‘peashooters’.
Please… you folks are waiting for a civil war that won’t happen.
Sadly, I suspect they’re planning to START the civil war. They’re that paranoid.
There are some out there that are dead serious about being modern day secesh. Though most of our friends here are just blowhards who would pee their pants if push came to shove. ;)
Sad and true. I’d encourage them to move to a “red” southern state–then see how they do when all Federal support is withdrawn after secession!
A real civil war (not just anti-government terrorism) would be a real mess – would make the original look like a playground fight. Most of our nuclear arsenal are in red states.
That’s why again, it’s not weapons that are scary, it’s ignorant fanatics with weapons that are scary. :
You are paranoid about gun owners.
You just keep on thinking that.
Yeah, Obama’s got drones, and he’s not afraid to use them on citizens.
Sigh.
Hey I am not in favor of drones. Also support Second Amendment though.
gee these two people LOST their liberty .
I guess Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness are subordinate to the Right to Pack Heat….
My “heat” in my hands protects my life liberty and stuff!
Exactly my point. With a gun you become judge, jury and executioner, and the other person is summarily denied any due process. Sort of the like the kids in Newton. Isn’t their “life liberty and stuff” due any protection from guns?
Knife death in Bangor yesterday. Guns are not th e problem.
As a responsible citizen, I would NEVER deprive anyone of their “life” UNLESS they had shown a disregard for my life, or stepped on my property to commit harm.
Again, you are driving my point home. As a civilized society, we have ways to resolve issues short of killing each other. Like the police who had left the property about three minutes earlier. With firepower in his hands, Mr. Pak didn’t feel obligated to resolve this in a civilized manner. Another gun owner with a clean background until he decided to actually use the gun….
You are working on a faulty premise. We are NOT a “civilized society”
When guns are in over-supply, they will inevitably end up in the hands of people least capable of responsible ownership. It’s time to change the rules.
Ho Hum. Yada yada yada.
Get rid of knives too. The man in Bangor stabbed to death would approve. Guns are not the problem.
My condolences to the family and friends of the two individuals who lost their lives. Wishing the survivor a complete, and speedy recovery.
I’m with you jemileesmom, thoughts with their family and friends. Best wishes to the survivors, especially the 7 yr old boy. Very sad for them.
ETA: article changed his age from 6 to 7. My condolences also with the officers.
jemileesmom, I totally agree. You’re the only one on here that actually makes any sense.
Why would anyone down vote your comment is beyond me.
Someone writes: “What is going on in Maine? Seems I’m reading about one of these every week now.”
If you only see one a week you are not reading the paper every day.
The humble Farmer
My sympathies go out to the family and friends of this awful crime. This problem will not be solved with those choosing to forget guns don’t kill, people do. Can’t blame God either. Though He and all the Saints must be feed up with us. Shame on us all.
and this guy (like many others) chose to use “a gun in the home” to solve a problem instead of talkiing or any of the other alternatives available to him.. got a gun in your home get rid of it …it is more likely to be used on you then on an intruder.
Cotton doesn’t make a t-shirt, people do, but it sure is much easier to make a t-shirt once you have some cotton.
The more attention the media gives to these activities, the more we seem to see. Has anyone else noticed a pattern here? Perhaps if the media focused on the goodwill of the citizens, we may have more copycats doing good.
interesting thought….but i think you just don’t want “guns’ and the people who use them getting a bad name and publicity…for people to pile on to.
Ignoring a problem doesn’t make it go away. I doubt this guy shot these people because he saw it happening in the media and felt inspired.
I think he did it because he has no regard for younger people and finds fault in everything a younger person does…which is why he was known to be a problem in the neighborhood. He is just a bitter old man that has a screw loose!
Funny how the media ignores stories where someone with a gun SAVES other people by shooting someone. Ain’t that strange.
http://www.woai.com/mostpopular/story/Deputy-shoots-gunman-at-San-Antonio-movie-theater/2wFsix5ntU2CDrsHjXx2kQ.cspx
After reading the 68 or so comments below I can’t help but wonder if the counts of murder were justified. Did the old man simply use the weapon to defend himself against 2 attackers ? Please folks , don’t jump to conclusions before all the facts are out ! In any case it’s sad for all involved.
HE was in THEIR apt with a GUN? How is that defense from attackers?
No conclusions here, just questions…
He seems to have a handle on complex vocabulary. As well as explaining his rhetorical prose.
BDN’s, when are you going to have the decency to stop all comments completely? You never will$$$$$ You should be ashamed!!
Switching over to using Facebook for comments cleans things right up.
We have one of those here??? Haven’t read their stuff yet.
Interesting. Because I am consider by many , of least myself to be what you describe. And I must say that Mr. Collins can hold his own quite well. I say this not to patronize him, he doesn’t need any.
He’s spot on ! Here’s the news flash, it’s only happening because of the age of those children that where killed. And now we even see some of the families trying to sue the State of Connecticut for multimillion’s claiming they failed to protect their children. No doubt solicited to do so.
I’m a Democrat and proud of it, but I will never be a ‘flaming Liberal’ from a University mind set.
i don’t believe you are a democrat one iota .
Who cares what political views one has? Whether Republican or Democratic, doesn’t make a H*LL of a difference. This has NOTHING to do with any of this. This was just an old nutcase with a gun. I see too many in this state and not in the right frame of mind.
actual Democrats don’t go around separating people and ideas based on their “university mind set.”
the only people i ever see denigrating education and the idea that it is good are people who are generally in the Republican camp.
you should quit lying to yourself. you’re the only one who believes you…
Bad people are making gun rights advocates look bad.
Bad knife owners making knife ban advocates look good. Bangor death by knife. Look it up, happened yesterday.
gun rights advocates arentl doing such a bad job of making themsleves look bad either : note GUEST 001
Bravo!…..well said!
Brave & confident words from those who have anonymous handles, albeit weak, and without exclaim.
great update—an out of control landlord
Another responsible gun owner.
Oh please. tell that to the guy killed in Bangor by knife. Ban all knives!
Oh please, he completely crushed Dawn’s argument as well as the other anti-gun American traitors here
democRATS that are anti-gun and pro big government are psuedo-intellectuals at best and a complete danger to the general public with their moronic calls for prohibition
freedom–use it ,don’t abuse it , or you lose it
Moreover, THEY are the very reason the 2nd exists in the first place! Not to protect us from the government, but to protect the government from the democrats!!!
As are people that are running out like fools trying to purchase every gun in sight and ready to kill someone over their *rights* to have a gun. Those people are JUST as dangerous.
Derrik and Alivia were married.
http://hinterlandgazette.com/2012/12/biddeford-shooting-derrick-thompson-wife-alivia-welch-killed-shooting-sokokis-road-home.html
cut down in the best years of their lives by a monster.
condolences to the families.
that article doesn’t say they were married .
UH so you get to SHOOT someone for any of those violations?? Gee i don’t think so..
We don’t know all the fact’s yet. And stop pretending you do. Perhaps he felt threaten. But I can say this from experience living around other renters, it’s generally always the renters who are the problem. There have been only a few times in my life where I had bad landlords, and yes moved because of it. But I’ve moved more form being around other renters who where druggies, criminals and just plain bums.
I know this fact, 2 people are dead because of what should have been a civil complaint. This man deserves to sit in prison for a long time. The renters may have been the problem, but murder most definitely is not the answer.
Yeah, can we say ‘BDN kangaroo court’
It’s too bad he will get a slap on the wrist and still get 3 square meals a day.
Got a crystal ball handy, do ya?
I don’t need one, this state has a great reputation for not giving the fullest punishment deserved, he will get a life sentence out of it (assuming he is guilty, I don’t want the lawyers to come after me because he is technically Innocent until proven guilty) but if he is, well he still gets 3 square meals, housing, doesn’t pay for heat anymore, all for killing a couple of teens. They used to fry people for that sort of thing years ago….
don’t forget free medical and a free education if wanted
Why should he live on our dime, bring back the death penalty
I don’t trust gov. to do death penalty right. Can’t take back the execution if the guy is proved innocent later. Think DNA. how many have been found innocent and let go after years in jail?
We aren’t back in the early 1900’s. We have DNA and other means to KNOW if the person killed someone or not. The death penalty works wonders if one actually USES it instead of waiting 20 yrs later after the crime.
Did they even ever HAVE the death penalty up here?? They certainly NEED it!
Yeah, a lot of good it’s done in your Florida, eh !? One of the cesspools of America. Nothing good ever comes by way of Florida.
Yeah, that’s why you all want to BE there, huh?? That’s why the majority aren’t FROM Florida nowadays. All the Floridians LEFT because of the nutcases that came into the state and took over. You guys wouldn’t know anything about this though. You also don’t know a thing about having just as many minorities as there are white people and the crime it brings along with it…it’s so white-washed here. You wanna talk about cesspools, take a look at the majority here…living off the state, having tons of kids, much of the population on drugs, little education, worst place for business in the nation…a place where you can purchase booze and cigs on food stamps and where every grocery store and gas station sells hard liquor, thereby CONDONING drinking and driving. Yeah, that’s something to really *brag* about. Like I said before, you all are a bunch of hypocrites. You claim to be these *caring* individuals, love the money coming in to keep your state going and your little local businesses, but put people down *from away* in the same token. I have NEVER in my LIFE dealt with such hatred in FL of this fashion (or anywhere else for that matter) and am ASHAMED of saying I was ever a part of this place to begin with..and it’s because of people like YOU…people like you that definitely DON’T need guns in hand. There are bad in ALL states, but you don’t seem to get that and that we are ALL a part of the same United States…so get over it. You need some change here…as does MUCH of the nation. There needs to be a death penalty in ALL states for it to work and to enforce it not long after the crime…not 20 yrs later. THAT is the problem!
I have noticed in places where there are jobs, crime is lower but on the other hand states with the death penalty seem to have a higher crime rate, why is that?
FL has stronger gun laws than ME and they have wayyyyy more gun crimes and deaths than we do.
there’s more people in Florida, so there would be more crimes committed by people.
Probability statistics aren’t likely to fit well here STG. :)
Ct. I believe I heard was the 4th in the nation about strict gun laws.
Texas you can drive around with a loaded gun and a broken windshield. They have the death penalty, they also have high crime.
Ma are really strict about guns and in many places Mom and Pop stores lock up at dusk with bullet proof glass.
Florida. land of sunshine, baseball, fishing, and more sunshine.
:)
We had it. The last man hanged was found innocent. And, we don’t need it back. We need people to regain their humanity and give living a chance.
The death penalty in Maine was officially abolished in 1887 — just two
years after Wilkinson’s execution. Wilkinson slowly died of
strangulation from a poorly tied hangman’s noose, which was used as a
reason by abolitionists to argue that the death penalty was inhumane.
Wilkinson was the last person to be hanged. However, the controversy that led to its abolition was based on a double hanging in 1875. A lot of doubt surrounded the guilt of Louis Wagner who protested his innocence to the end. The man who shared the gallows with him, John Gordon, was half carried to the waiting noose, bleeding from a self inflicted stab wound.
Someone may have answered the question. They did at one time, they had hanging and the person Wilkinson died from strangulation as others, they stopped it in 1887. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Wilkinson_(murderer)
This dumb comment, or a variation of it, gets repeated every time there’s a murder. FACT: The death penalty is MORE expensive than life in prison, even for a young person. Look it up.
Considering the understandable recent interest in vetting people who want to own, or DO own, guns, this really has much more to do with an old man who had a gun but should not have had one. Yet many will argue it was his 2nd amendment right to own a gun and to do so without being subjected to a mental competency review. I’m not antigun but I am in favor of competency reviews such as we have for people who get a license to drive a vehicle.
I agree, and anyone 65 years or older should have to take a mandatory driving test, on the road.
We have competency reviews for motor vehicle operators?
Yes, it is called taking a driving test. However you bring up a good point. Besides taking a competency test (yes, the person knows how to properly handle their weapon) gun owners should also be required to take a mental competency test. Both drivers, and gun owners, should have to take these tests with some regularity. Just my opinion.
If we could require parents to undergo the same set of testing before they are allowed to have or keep a child I would be OK with that.
then call the police, not get the gun. wow!
It is called an… eviction ….. that is what the lease said correct?
See my response below. There are allot of possible scenarios in play here. Least of which to an 18 year old kid a 74 year old man may look like a push over.
Then call a cop.
The story is not out there yet so I am not going to pretend I know what happened.
IF these kids went in this mans apartment “maybe”
IF he went into these kids apartment – no way.
What part can’t you comprehend ? Let’s wait for all the facts to come out before we launch another gun crusade.
I am against gun control but that doesn’t mean I am against self control.
Good one!
Thanks. Do you really think he will get out on $100 bail?
He probably will just because he’s 74. If it were the other way around and the teens killed the 74 yr old, then they would be looking at prison time.
It said he was in THEIR apartment. He went looking for trouble AFTER the cops left. He knew what he was doing bringing a gun over in the process.
You DO understand THIS story has been UPDATED since I wrote this comment. Ya figured it might be hard for you to grasp.
Way to back track to some vague stance of responsibility however your first comment speaks of loud music and too many people staying over. Two people are dead. Nothing short of them attempting to commit violence agains the old man justifies this. Do people deserve death because of a sleep over, loud music or late rent? Listen to your self.
(sorry)
You should read the part about the six year old again.
The two teens that were killed were not the 6 year old’s parents. Susan Johnson, who was shot but survived, is his parent.
I agree with just about everything you said here- except, the two deceased are NOT the 6-year old’s parents according to the article. The woman who went to the hospital is the child’s mother. Her other son, and his GF are the deceased.
“6-year-old.”
“Sleepover.”
“Yourself.”
Parents? Wait a minute, a 6 year old with parents that were 18 and 19? Dude, seems your train of thought ran off the track…
the mother of the 7 year old was 44 year old susan. thought that would be apparent.
Allisa, I was just joking a bit about the way Tom described it. Seems to me that ‘thought that would be apparent” is the long form of the word “assume.” And you should already know the low-down on that word. LOL
cant evict someone who can’t pay rent in the middle of winter.. look at maines housing laws..
Well you can’t shoot them either – I don’t even need to go look it up.
True dat.
This is not actually true. Look at Maine’s housing laws.
In your utopian dreams Scott. You most certainly can.
Not True. We did and in January too. It is all in the wording of the lease.
you are right, a landlord can evict you at any time, if they have proper reason, it can’t be for discrimination, it can be at winter, even w/ children but can’t be BECAUSE you have children, and they must go through the correct channels and notification.
That’s not the case. I had a former landlord that had tenants prior to my moving in and said it took her MONTHS later to finally evict them and they weren’t paying their rent. It was during the winter months and she had to let them stay. It took an attorney and alot of money to FINALLY get them out. The same can be said in other states as well, even in the south. It takes MONTHS to get someone out while in the process they are tearing your place apart literally.
please read this http://www.ptla.org/rights-tenants-evictions from pine tree legal, they SPECIALIZE in this. again, if the landlord goes through the correct channels notification process (court) and there are timing laws, as in you have to be given 30 days notice, and it differs if you have an at will tenancy or a lease, but you CAN be evicted in the winter. I never said an eviction was them knocking on the door and saying leave, it takes time, its not an easy process, and that is why some landlords have a very stringent process before they rent to someone. The place I live they did a thorough reference check, I had to provide them with my proof of income to make sure I could afford the place, and they did a soft credit check, and the reason is the landlord knows how hard and tedious evicting is, it costs money, and if someone is being evicted for non payment of rent, and they pay the rent within the 7 day notice, then they are no longer under an eviction notice. you can also go through the 30 days notice, and the tenant can refuse to leave, and the landlord can’t remove them, they have rights of fighting it in court, and all that time, they have a right to stay. once they “legally” are evicted though, they do have to leave, and that eviction is on their record when future landlords do checks on them. i went to school for paralegal and I worked with pine tree legal and volunteer lawyers project, i know quite a bit about this subject.
Wow. how do you live without a heart? did they have kids?
We MUSt ban landlords now! OMG…….lock all landlords up & take away their keys.
no turning back from pulling a trigger
WTF So loud music is grounds for shooting someone? Are you completely crazy or are you just trying to sound that way?
If that was the case, my folks would’ve shot me decades ago, if not some neighbors and landlords along the way. Long live rock n’ roll.
Now if everyone had just had a gun none of this would have happened……RIGHT.
seriously? not ONE of the situations you mentioned would be reason to kill 2 people.
Those are no excuses to murder anyone. There are actions you can take. I find it unbelievable someone could say that. Time stopped for them too soon. Unjustifiable Murder should carry a mandatory life sentence,
so call the police, don’t shoot people.
criminals don’t want to be bothered by the police
This is why I don’t have a gun. It’s too tempting to shoot a tenant sometimes.
In Bangor there seems to be as many murders with knifes as guns. Maybe southern Maine can afford guns. Leave the 2nd amendment alone. Bad people do bad things.
Neither are most of the posters here , but that doesn’t stop anybody!
what an ignorant statement
18 and 19 far too young to have left this world so soon. They’re lives just beginning. My heart breaks for their families
Condolences to the families of the dead teenagers. But nothing in the article indicates why the landlord shot the teenagers. Did he snap? Did they threaten him? We don’t know. And until we do, we should leave this subject with just my first sentiment, and not try to assume a motive.
The only thing we know is that the shooter is already charged with two counts of murder. Unless the shooter was threatened with a weapon, he’s going to have a hard time getting out of this.
He wasn’t feeling *threatened* if he entered THEIR apartment with a gun. He planned on what he was going to do!
“we should leave this subject with just my first sentiment, and not try to assume a motive.”
Love it. “Until you can agree with me, don’t talk about it”
Who said that? I just thought it was unproductive of many writers to assume who was at fault just based on the initial article. Some people blamed the landlord, some the tenants. As additional information has come out, it does appear that the problem is the landlord. But why try to ascribe motives right away when the early information was just that there was a shooting and the landlord was being held for murder?
If that’s his defense, it’s real &*^%@*@ stupid.
Does appear to be underage drinking according to the photo but thats just an assumption. (could be water in the wine glass). Why were the police not called earlier?
ASSumption yes. You did.
A picture says a thousand words. I don’t codone murder and I am not judging the victim. Assumptions are made everyday. However, based on this photo I am curious about underage drinking and if this contributed to the situation.
They were 18 and 19 years old, under age but not, say 15 or 16. There is no indication that the photo was taken just before they were murdered.
and your point?Under age drinking is defined as under 21 years of age. There is a reason for this. Hopefully, the toxicology reports are negative for the victims. This will not be the first time I have been wrong nor the last.
If you read you will see that they weren’t married she was his girlfriend.
Read it twice and didn’t see anything like that. Is this a soap opera?
“The bodies of Derrick Thompson, 19, and his girlfriend, Alivia Welch, 18, “
Gotcha. There was the mother involved too and my mind skipped a gear thinking mother and old gunslinger were BF-GF. Now who was thinking like a soap opera, hmm? =)
My 45 year old sister has a 2 year old …….SO??????
It’s too old once you hit that 35 mark.
Do you have basis for the garbage you’re spewing or you comfortable with simply making things up?
Stay classy an old demented fool kills a couple kids and you’re singing his praises.
On the doe?
Oh deer.
wow. guest-001 . you assume much!! What does the age of a mother have to do with the assumptions you made? My sister is a successful business woman who works for the US government.. she lives with the baby’s father and her step daughters.What does the age of a mother have to do with the assumptions you made? Clearly you don’t get out much. I personally know 5 women over 40 who have had children.None of whom are on welfare. None of whom are gay.. Its not uncommon…
Now tell me again what is wrong with the death penalty?
There is much wrong with the death penalty.
Some consider it trite to try to teach people that killing people is wrong by killing them. As for the Old Testament dictate of an eye-for-an-eye: the interpretation of that is that if you take someone’s eye out, you, the responsible party, must now serve the function of the victim’s missing eye. As for me, if we’re going to have a death penalty and part of its function, in addition to retribution, is deterrence, then why are not executions broadcast on TV and/or the Web?
In this country, including Maine, the death penalty remains available for some particularly egregious federal crimes. As it stands now, the worst penalty a state murderer faces upon conviction –whether the victims are two adults or 50 school children– is a life without the burden of work, three square meals a day, free housing, medical care, psychiatric care, television, visitors, and lots of time to sleep, write memoirs and file lawsuits . . . . all paid for by the tax payer at a rate of about $45,000 per inmate, per year. That’s a pretty good option for a 74 year old, as well as some young folks who don’t place a high value on freedom. Life sentences also don’t appear to deter those who have spent long periods of time in prison being “corrected” as recidivism rates remain very high. Some people simply do not believe the current criminal justice system provides sufficent societal deterrence or punishment for those who commit heinous crimes. Unless you leave capital punishment on the table, it’s a system that barks like a Rotweiller but bites like a Chihuahua.
Is this original? VERY GOOD !
“Unless you leave capital punishment on the table, it’s a system that barks like a Rotweiller but bites like a Chihuahua.”
You trust our government to execute people fairly? Once a mistake has been made, there is no “taking it back.” I’ll be 100% for the death penalty when humanity is no longer plagued by errors, and when a person named Brennan and a person named Pak has an equal shot at receiving it.
By the way, this person has (as yet) not been convicted. Death penalty anyway?
Only in certain cases, and then upon conviction after trial in front of folks like you sitting on the jury. It’s not the state who convicts.
Instant death penalty already exists as an available option for someone who enters a home univited with intent to seriously hurt someone inside. That legal remedy appears to work fairly reliably as a deterrent in many instances. Of course, we occasionally see bad guys who simply lack the capacity to reason, or who don’t care because they have nothing to “lose”.
It looks in the article like the kids were alive but Pak wouldn’t leave the house. Would they have lived if he had cooperated?
it would be worth the risk.
in todays day and age of technology and forensic evidence there’s very little reason to doubt the findings of the police and investigators.
if executing murderers would save lives, then it would be worth it.
So you think that “it” is worth executing even ONE innocent person,
Sorry I have to disagree. and, all that advanced tech you mention has not prevented the “innocence Project” from finding 700 wrongly convicted individuals over the last five years. Many of them without the resources to hire a decent lawyer.
No death penalty as long as innocent people are being tried and convicted for things they didn’t do.
The death penalty is dead.
Sounds like this should have been on the spot death penalty.
I dare say that’s not very civil of you. And no I won’t flag it, people need to be aware of you.
“you’re.”
“dole.”
LMAO Helena! You are too much! hehehe
He has been banned, at least twice already. This is what he does.
Flag his posts, make the moderators do their job!
Then why are you not banned, obvioulsy because the same screen name your using swore at me last night on a article
I have never spoken to you before dkenzie. I wasn’t me that did whatever you’re talking about. You can anonymize any post you’d like here. I have done so to avoid pi$$ing contests and name calling.
I am not the guest that dissed you.
How do you do that? Seems folks change their ID after its posted
I don’t change my ID.
It’s not a secret. If you read your disqus dashboard you will find an area where you can edit your comment. There you will see an X click to anonymize your comment. Anyone can do it and it isn’t against the “rules” to do so, just a function in Disqus.
I have one identity and it’s guest, there are others apparently that have also found the function. I’ve been civil, my posts remain.
Then quit being guest and get a screen name, or are you afraid too. I am sick of people calling me names and swearing at me on a daily basis and nothing getting done about it. GOOD BYE
GET OVER IT! WHO CARES??!! This isn’t the REAL WORLD?! Do you even realize that in the REAL world (outside of Maine) you have people confronting you on the STREETS on a day-to-day basis that say rude comments, swear at you, etc and you can’t just shut them up or BAN them! This sounds like GRADE SCHOOL mentality! Think about it!
Seriously, what does it matter what ANY of us say?? How does this affect OUR lives by reading ignorant posts? If it offends THAT much, then why bother reading other people’s opinions??? What do you do if someone makes comments in the REAL world to your faces??? Have them *banned*??? Shoot them? Seriously, WHO CARES?! Move on!!
So 37 is to old for a woman to have a baby, I suppose we can assume that 25 is to young, How old does someone need to be to have a baby and meet your demanded age for motherhood?
Will someone call him a “whaaaambulance”.
Maine is getting bloodier with each day, as the angered choose the gun or knife as the arbiter to all of their problems.
The world is catching up with us here. I think that is all that it is.
It’s here. I know of at least three who are happy it has arrived.
Unfortunately it does appear to be the case. I remember much simpler times but those days of leaving the keys in the car overnight in the dooryard etc… are far behind us.
Two young people with much life ahead of them are gone. When I was 18 the world and Maine was a much simpler place.
As many commentaries revealed here, the need for being armed to the teeth and wearing a flak jacket, even to bed, are of tantamount importance.
The niceties of life, the simplicity of no locked doors, and keys in the ignition, are all part of a fading Maine we once reveled in. In better days, the shock of a Maine murder would still be discussed years after it was committed. An auto fatality in any part of Maine would be front page news.
But it is good to know that the majority of Mainers who don’t express themselves here, do share the same disgust with these horrid happenings, whilst clinging to a hope that somehow things might change.
Don’t miss the chance to rant about gun control, Briney. Never mind two kids are dead.
Gun owners have no worries. The only controls advocated so far by one Congresswoman, was for stopping the sale of military semi-automatic weapons. I couldn’t agree more.
Like the majority of people, I’m sickened to read about two kids getting wiped out over such simple issues as snow plowing and parking. His weapon was handy, and to him, the easiest solution to the problem.
The kid who bust into the school, we read, was angered about his mother’s preference for the school over him. At least, that’s what he thought. So, his mother’s weapons were handy. That was his solution to his jealousy.
The kid who dyed his hair red, and then shot up movie patrons with his automatic weapon, hasn’t said what made him do it – as yet. He’s too busy trying to prove that he is mentally incapacitated.
Far from “ranting ” about gun control, I would like to see people attempt to regain their humanity – to try and live like humans. Instead, we are currently approaching conditions similar to that of a combat zone.
Police Sgt. Edwards assures us not to worry. So, in that case, just keep a low profile and a – you know what.
this is horrible…but please do not start blaming guns…their deaths would have happened (probably) in any case
PPH states it may have erupted over a parking dispute. http://www.pressherald.com/news/Biddeford-man-.html
What a crying shame. Anyone know if this is the same man who had the hot dog stand?
his hat seems to say “landscaping” on it .
Read in another article that he did have a hot dog stand as a side business.
My condolences on this one. On the surface, it sure looks like the old fella went off his nut about something. This can be ‘if-ed’ and ‘maybe-ed’ to pieces, but there’s no hard details here about a tenant/landlord squabble. Seems to me that short of those kids booting in his door and trying to walk-off with his TV, this wasn’t a killing situation. Pack it in, Pak, got a lifetime of explaining to do behind this disaster…
You leave me speechless.. words cannot convey how despicable it is what you’ve written here.
Oh — and newsflash: spelling counts.
Nope, only Horseshoes and Hand Grenades.
you even misquoted your own insult.
it goes like this:
ALMOST only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Do you understand the expression now?
It has ALSO been said the way I put it, I am not here to please any grammar police, or spit out various versions of a quote, term or expression.
Nice time you want to discuss something, just grunt, and I’ll know its you.
Nice time I want to discuss something? Is that somewhere between 8 and noon?
Please speak for youre self!! (just a gimme for ya ta karrect)
For whom else might you have thought I was speaking, Mickey?
Far Far too young to lose your lives over something like this. I am not sure if they were playing the music too loud or if this guy just lost it but its so terribly sad and tragic..My condolences to the family of these kids.
Doesn’t really matter we have a thread full of those calling for gun control while screaming to get a rope ready. About as legitimate as what took place Saturday at 12:00 am.
and THIS is why Maine needs a death penalty.
It was abolished in 1887 so I highly doubt it will ever come back.
and gay marriage was voted down twice, but still came back.
The death penalty would be fitting in this case.
Yes, if only we had the $25 million + the gay lobby spent, perhaps we could get the death penalty reinstated.
i asked you for “proof “of the 25 million the other day —odd you never returned …maybe I can get the same result again …
There is not going to be a vote to bring back the death penalty, ever. States are slowly getting rid of it because it does not serve as a deterrent, at all. States that don’t have the death penalty have the lowest homicide rates.
I used to be for the death penalty but then I educated myself about the process and cost and came to realize it is useless. Feel free to click the down arrow.
Let me guess, you aren’t a Maine native, correct? Maine natives, for the most part, don’t judge based on others ability to structure a sentence in textbook fashion.
Maine natives, who post on BDN, are largely uninformed about how the world views them. And if we aim to better the economy in our beloved state, we best start cluing in. Why do you insist on trying to shoot the messenger?
Maybe we like to shoot the messenger because he or she is a carrier pigeon and we prefer crows. Who knows?
We are (as it seems from your earlier statements) little more than a bunch of ignoramuses after all. Didn’t any of your teachers ever teach you how to play nice? Hmmm…I guess not. Oh dear. I’m showing how “uniformed” I am aren’t I? Silly, stupid me.
Maine is an expensive state to do business in. This is especially true of something as simple as heating or lighting a building. Plus, let’s not forget, we are “Vacationland.” There are those who are intent on keeping us that way. We are their playground now that their hometown is little more than a concrete jungle. Don’t just pooh-pooh the people “Dee-ah.” We “t’aint” quite as dumb as you think we are.
Be that as it may, in returning to the topic, condolences to the family who have suffered immense grief at such a senseless murder. May they find peace and may the murderer be brought to justice quickly.
The messenger is insufferable.
Did you read that in the Native Mainer’s handbook, or something?
For crying out loud. Bowdoin, Colby, Thomas, Bates, these are some of our nation’s best colleges. All Maine institutions. Why do you assume ‘native’ Mainers don’t credit “textbook fashion”.
WHAT are you talking about?!? I said that Maine natives generally don’t judge others on their ability to structure a sentence, NOT that they cannot structure a sentence. Yes, Maine does have a number of fine colleges and universities, in fact my son graduated from Thomas College. (yes, I am proud of that) I was simply stating that we Maine natives generally base our opinion of others on more than sentence structure.
Get a life.
Two young people are dead over an issue with snow removal. Snow removal. Oh my God, this is unbearably sad & incomprehensible. Prayers go out to these families.
People are killed for less. Get over it ! Let’s wait for a trial and see what evidence comes out. It could very well be the 74 year old upstanding tax paying member of the community was truly in fear for his life.
In fear for his LIFE???! Seriously???? He was in THEIR apartment! How did HE feel threatened when he walked into THEIR apartment with a gun and shot THEM??? He didn’t NEED to confront them after the COPS were already THERE prior to this shooting! HE had the problem! Stop making excuses for him JUST because he is OLD!
The cops left because the kid told them he did not feel threaten by Mr. Pax. Stop trying to turn this into the OK Coral.
This is terrible, two kids are dead because of snow removal. My heart goes out to their families. Thank God the little boy was hiding or he probably would have shot him too. So sad. Two young lives gone for nothing. This is crazy!
After browsing through your post, I have concluded that you have absolutely nothing to add to either the subject matter of any particular comment or the article itself. Therefore Ms Buckett I will concentrate my efforts on other poster’s opinions rather than high school sophomore English class.
Oh I swear, ms. buckett could be a stand-in for Hyacinth on “Keeping up Appearances.” You can’t make people like her up. N’est-ce pas?
Prayers to the families of those who died. So sad that those lives were lost, and how badly I feel for that little boy. He must be so traumatized. Gun control would not have helped in this situation as the guidelines stand at this moment, but perhaps someone should have been more scrutinized before he was allowed to purchase a gun. Especially if the landlord allegedly had a history of anger issues. The constitutional right to bear arms needs to be seriously looked at. There needs to be more scrutiny as far as who is allowed to buy guns and what type of guns can be bought. I imagine that last statement will draw the ire of some people, but this is just my opinion, and THAT is within my constitutional rights of free speech.
WE can also tell you that no gun control will be allowed to ban Second Amendment or gun rights.
you are covered under the same constitutional rights as I am. I am glad that you are able to share your opinion. Just don’t lose sight of the topic of this article. People are dead, and a child is traumatized because we did not infringe upon the rights of a man who perhaps shouldn’t have owned a gun to begin with.
If a man can allegedly kill people because they didn’t move their cars for snow removal as the article states, then in my opinion, he had anger issues (and probably wasn’t the first time) and did not belong owning a gun. Also in the article it states that other tenants had issues with this landlord. they cannot ALL be wrong in their opinions on him being difficult.
So, where do we draw the line? Angry? No gun. Depressed? No gun. Too happy? No gun. Good luck finding the magic line and not seriously infringing upon our rights.
Sadly, it seems that all the gun-control hysteria wouldn’t have prevented any of the recent tragedies. But, it might make us feel better. IDK, guns are a tool, like a hammer or a wrench.
Mental health is what we should be focusing on.
we need to be focusing on guns, mental health…all of it. Our nation is becoming a third world country. We are turning on each other like a pack of rabid wolves. Its sad. Each one of us needs to try and make changes within ourselves to make this better. I understand what you are saying, but if stricter gun laws and better and more affordable medical care for our people saves one life, wouldn’t it be worth it? Infringing upon our rights? What about the right to live? Those two teenagers lost that right because of this landlord and his gun. No one in their right mind shoots and kills someone over snow removal issues.
What about if the kid threaten to kick his a– ? Or perhaps even kill him, any thoughts on what a 74 year old might think coming form an 18 year old full of testosterone.
the landlord shot and killed these kids and the mother in THEIR part of the house. Not in his.You don’t know this whole story. You contradict yourself. You told another commenter to wait to have all of the facts before passing judgement about more gun control. You didn’t know the the teenagers that were killed did you? How can you say the teenage boy was full of testosterone? Maybe he was protecting his mother in HER house when the landlord came in and started shooting? Perhaps you should listen to your own advice and get the facts first. These poor teenagers and the mother were shot in THEIR home by the landlord. Thats proof enough to me that the landlord was the aggressor.
EXACTLY mainemom9395! I just don’t understand how this Guest001 person doesn’t GET that! Unless of course he/she is ALSO old as well.
You both might be right, but also might be wrong. Wait for facts before deciding the circumstances, causes and solutions.
ever think what an 18 year old might think when a 74 year old man barges into HIS home with a gun? Perhaps he died trying to protect his girlfriend, younger brother and mother?????? Some food for thought for you…..
And just how OLD are you??? Why are you so gung-ho on defending this OLD killer?? He was in THEIR apartment and he came IN their apartment WITH A GUN and SHOT them! What part of that didn’t you understand??? If he felt unsafe, why did he need to CONFRONT them after the police LEFT??? Just because he is 74 does not make HIM the victim here!
In response to guest 001-I did say the landlord was “alleged” to have anger issues. Also, if he did not have anger issues, then why were the cops at his house earlier that day for a dispute, and then when the cops left within minutes he shot and killed two people with a gun and injured a third with a young child present in the home? This definitely convinces me this landlord had anger issues. People who do not have anger issues can settle their differences without killing the people they are arguing with.
All any one knows the landlord may have been hit after the cops left. I am not saying it did happen, just that you still are making assumptions
whether or not the landlord was hit and provoked, it still did not justify him killing those people. Cops have him in custody so obviously they feel the landlord is the one who killed these people (and might I add, they were killed in THEIR residence and NOThe landlords) Since 2 people are dead and one was shot and injured, its pretty obvious the landlord shot them. Thats not an assumption on my part, that’s fact. If you read my post in response to guest001, you would see that I was merely suggesting another scenario. He is the one passing judgement without facts, not I.
Fill in the blank. What happened has not been released. You don’t know what happened. Either do I.
take a look at the newest BDN article and you may be enlightened.
Landlord made first court appearance and is being held without bail…
What ever information doesn’t change the fact that at that time you were guessing. Guessing right doesn’t make you smart it makes you lucky. Maybe karma will bring it back around.
let me see….2 people were dead in their home. Another was shot, and a little boy traumatized. The only other person in that residence was in a standoff with the police. So I was guessing when I said that the landlord was the aggressor? No I dont think that was a guess. Pretty clear cut to me. He was the only one that left that house without a bullet in him.
with the exception of the little boy. Thank God he wasn’t shot too.
“Guns don’t kill people.” But if that landlord hadn’t had a gun handy, he might have simply yelled, punched, or perhaps flashed a knife.
At 74 I doubt he would have survived that 18 year old punching and beating him up.
Clarifying–I was referring to the landlord’s choice of using a gun rather than words, fist, or knife. It’s true an 18-year-old would be stronger than he. Therefore, well-chosen words would be preferred to starting a fight. In fact, letting things cool off until the next day would have been an excellent idea. Pulling a gun creates a fast “win” that immediately switches into a long-range loss.
Most of us are not trying to impress “outta staters”.
Maybe you should open up a site and teach English and Grammer. I’m sure you’d have some takers who didn’t care about that as kids but would like to now…..how was my spelling?
Scintillate, believe me, people in Maine DON’T impress *outta staters* in the least and they also realize that most in New England don’t have much of an education either. Not only that, but you are all extremely ignorant, but yet expect people from other states to respect YOU while you are in THEIR state. So tired of the *out of state* comments. Such hypocrites up here! In regards to this old fart, he should get the DEATH PENALTY for what he has done and take guns away from half the population around here because many have *mental issues*. I guess that’s what happens when you live in a state that allows first cousins to wed!
I’m not disrespectful or rude to people from out of state. Neither do I expect people to kiss my vertical crack when I’m in their state. I do expect if I ask for directions, they don’t call me names, or send me in the wrong direction or try to rip me off. What makes me upset is when people come here and tell me we live wrong, if you don’t like it don’t come back. You don’t need to be a big city genius to figure that one out.
I don’t want to live in a town, where stores lock their doors at dusk for fear of being robbed. Terrified to walk a block or two or even from car to house because you could get gunned down just for being there.
I don’t like big city communist rules, like being told what color to paint my house, how I have to keep my yard, If I don’t drive at least a BMW then I’m scum. I don’t want to live in a State where people drive in the break down lane.
If we and I’m really speaking for myself and family, wanted to put on airs we’d eat beans, if we want someone to tell us how to do every little thing in life we’d move to a communist state or country. Here if your broke down on the side of the road chances are someone will stop and offer to help in someway. In big holier-than-thou places people never stop and asking are you ok, do you need help or can I call someone or someplace for you
If all of that makes us ignorant fine, go away, don’t come back, oh and most of the ignorant crap you see people doing here, more often comes from people from big city teaching bad things to our people.
i know you don’t treat people like that. You read the comments on here, though, God forbid anyone whoever passed thru P’town admitted it. They’d be branded some sort of alien monster. (I lived in Portland, everyone there is from somewhere else in Maine.)
But bring on the folks who don’t read, can’t spell: all opinions are equal then? How does that make sense?
We don’t need no stinkin outa state DNA in our genepool.
It’s bad enough already.
Guess what?! Many of the *outta staters* have roots here already and/or were born here, but some of us chose to go beyond our roots and start our OWN families. Definitely not into cousins, etc. ICK!
That was ironic: the word is spelled g-r-a-m-m-a-r.
Are you saying that being able to spell is an “outta Statah” trait?
No.
then what were you saying?
What I’m saying is people can spell reasonably, but can’t type worth beans and usually on a blog people are talking with their feelings and not concerned with all this spelling and grammar and all.
I think it’s good to use all of it when writing letters of importance, legal matters, job applications or even a book.
To me and I speak for myself, I don’t really care how people post if I get their drift, if I don’t I can ask them. Neither do I care how proper anyone from out of the state post. I’m looking at their opinion not their writing skills and I don’t judge them.
I also know where people may not be good at writing chances are they can dance circles around those who do, in other matters. For an example the school wanted to hold my nephew back a year because he wasn’t too good with scissors, I think it was first grade, but he could out run everyone, K-12 and including all the teachers.
Aping what you heard on TV is not voicing your own opinion (as half the commenters on here would like you to believe); it’s just aping what you heard on TV.
This is a forum where ideas are discussed. If I went out in the woods and jumped on a skidder and started pushing levers and buttons, I’d expect someone who knew better to protest.
It’s like that with words and ideas. If a person can’t express themselves, it is fair to assume that they don’t have a grasp on the subject. Half of the commenters on here have never read a word on the subject, yet want equal weight given to their opinions. You are certainly free to value those opinions. I do not.
Some people take the word of tv, books, other people, perception. Going on what you say then no one has a real opinion.
I disagree about this being a place to discuss ideas, it looks more to me like a place to vent, complain, joke, make an observation, annoy, whine and sometimes sharing.
I would hope if you went out in the woods and jumped on a skidder you’d at least read the buttons before pushing them.
So what if people haven’t read a word on a subject, maybe they are starting here, maybe they didn’t know where to start, maybe they need more to go on before they can start. Just because peoples thought processing isn’t like yours dosen’t give anyone else the right to call them uneducated or ignorant, because real intelligent people should already know that and they should know name calling, lying and insulting people isn’t going to get anywhere certainly not respect to those who think they are so dang smart. Then again horror of horrors maybe they know more than you (meaning anyone guilty of the above) wants to admit?
Very well said..
Thank-you,
Do you understand the difference between knowledge and belief?
A 74 man nipped the life of two young teenagers who were just starting out in life and tried to kill another woman as well. This man does deserve to be punished and not just a slap on the wrist!. Murder isn’t an answer for any misunderstandings. My condolences to the families and friends of these people and wishing Susan Johnson a full, speedy recovery.
I have the cars towed, the tenants know the snow plan. Snow means snow removal.
I wish their was a weapon like star trek “set to stun” phasers, like tasers without the wires, and cheap. A good weapon for self defense but not as deadly.
I like that idea – altho there will always be deadly weapons (or spoons)
cheap shot
You’r very good at trolling. Good for you…
you have some anger issues yourself if I may say so. I will pray for you that you will see that we have a right to be concerned about what is taking place in our country with regards to guns. How many more people have to experience loss of life because of ignorance and opinions like what you have displayed? Gun control doesn’t have to be all or nothing…there can be compromise. But something has to be done as far as current laws are concerned.
Note to police. Never judge a book by its cover.They saw a harmless old man and left. My condolences to all families involved.
My sister has a violent old neighbor whom the police never take as a serious threat because of his age. He’s beaten several young people in the neighborhood and yet never gets arrrested. People just assume he’s a wee bit batty but basically not capable of worse. Age has nothing to do with it. Violent people are always dangerous.
Ban snow ………
Yes, snow is the real culprit here. Release Mr. Pak and as a sign of goodwill bury those kids with a marked grave stone. Courtesy of the tax-payer.
Let’s move on people.
SICK COMMENT. Medication needed soon:)
“Derrick Thompson told police officers that he did not feel threatened by Mr. Pak and his actions.” I, uh, guess he took that as a challenge, huh.
I am so very sorry that this horrible tragedy occurred. My condolences to the families of the young people killed. My thoughts and prayers go out to you….
WTF, what is getting into people??
It is called Ronald LaPierre, the CEO of the NRA.
…never mind the fact that America has more criminals now then decent honest people. Instead of a church on every corner, America now needs a prison on every corner.
I do not know what happened and won’t pretend I do. I just wish to express my sincere condolences to the family of the two young adults and Speedy recovery to the lady that was wounded.
The police were there but left because of no credible threat? If I ever call the Biddeford PoliceDept., please don’t send him.
Because the kid told them he didn’t feel threaten by Mr. Pak, that’s why they left.
I have taken a stand against the other issues you mentioned. I didn’t say give up all of our guns. Just the high powered ones. And people with mental health or other issues like anger do not need guns. Maybe it is you who should look around. Negative, name calling, hostile people like yourself are the problem with this country. Want to make this world better? Change your attitude. Try being nice to people. I am trying my best by doing 26 acts of kindness (and as much as I can after that) towards people in memory of those children that were murdered in Newton, Connecticut. Maybe you should try that too.
And you call me sanctimonious? That’s the pot calling the kettle black.
Wow!. I hope tenants learn a lesson from this, Know the landlords snow removal plan and follow it.. Most will just have your cars towed, which I only have to do once. Nobody here is concerned about what landlords have to put up with.
YOU two ,above, have got to be kidding . Sadly you aren’t. YOU are the reason people feel the NEED for more gun control .
What is the world coming to? We can’t compromise on things, can’t solve problems in a rational way? Are we reverting to the Wild-Wild West thinking that shooting a gun will make problems go away?
It may very well be in the end the only way, and perhaps the best way. Thin the undesirables out as it where. Now mind you, the cowboy/wild-west was only around 20 years. Stay tune.
That is what SOME hope … those who can’t problem solve or think problems thru …maybe THEY are the part of the herd that needs to be “thinned’.?
who are the “undesirables”?
See below your comment.
does god exist?
Yes ! But not through religion. God can only be experience on a personal level. (religion is of mankind as oppose to the possibility of third rock from the sun/possibly another name for a God we grow up hearing is called God)
Stay tuned.
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The grammar police need to take a step back. I hope Helena you have a badge with a star on it. You certainly deserve one. How about since you feel it so necessary to correct others that I correct YOU? STAY on topic. The news story is about the tragedy of the shooting. That’s the topic, see? The topic is not about whether you approve of capitalization, grammar, or whatever else. If the article was about spelling or grammar then you’d be on topic. That’s how it works. By the way, you need to work on shorter sentences when constructing paragraphs. Have a Nice Day! =)
What would have James Pak done when he got upset IF he did not have a GUN? Stop the gun shooting NOW!
Good question, and probably nothing if he wasn’t threaten. He was a business person and I can understand why he felt he needed to be armed. And as a landlord as well dealing with section 8 no doubt, you damn well better be armed.
Only cowards have to carry all the time. Especially over something as stupid as snow removal.
he might have had to TALK about a solution to the problem…
We salute you! Fear is an excellent foundation for civic evolution.
If he was so intimidated he cold have called the police back and then had them accompany him to talk to the tenants but no like all cowards with a gun he thought he was tough.
How unfair, how terrible & how senseless that two young people lose their lives like this. My condolences to the families.
He’ll get off…….. he “stood his ground”, isn’t that how we do things nowadays. Don’t matter if your right or wrong as long as you “perceive” a threat……………… well open fire. After all a man’s home is his “castle”. Too many guns and too many unstable idiots that know nothing about guns.
He was in their home, not in his own home. Two units in building.
he may or may not get off but you certainly get off when people die
I’ll agree to a certain extent. But look around at what is living next you.
1 in 5 Mainers has a criminal background all before the age of 25. And a good many not for just petty theft or mischief.
It is what it is. We live in far different times. Opportunities are gone in America. Drug sales and Prostitution are the new American dream.
And the value of life around .99cents on a good day.
TOO MANY CAPS
It’s called EMPHASIZING certain words…you can do that either through capitalization OR quotes. This is not harming anyone.
“…so illiterate to people from away who read these boards.”
Or “…so illiterate to people who read these boards from afar.”
Is his comment striving to communicate something or is he?
It’s great that you know to capitalize the first letters of names of shows but somewhat disappointing that you don’t know how to search the Internet to clarify references that are unfamiliar to you.
Why did the police leave? Surely they are trained to identify a hostel situation..a man just minutes away from killing two people with a handgun.. I doubt they even spoke with the landlord. The police who were called to the scene but then left after making the “all clear” have to held responsible for their ignorance by endangering two teenagers. It is clear that the landlord is sad and angry at the world, leading back to when he was a young lad; his father would beat and probe him when he would watch morning cartoons rather then shovel the front steps so his father could go to the street and meet his heroin dealer without getting snow in his boots. In fact there has to be more to this story then reported, The landlord already enraged with the memories of his father abusing him, saw the love and life of these two teens and decided to end their wonderful life from happening. His horrible existence he has clearly made him mental. You can only have hope in this twisted country and I hope the mother gets to host this man upside down and torture this man for months and months using blow torches, pliers and bamboo. This is the saddest article I have read all month. @ Helena_Buckett you sad little girl, life has always been hard for you, no friends, a father that use to abuse you and a mother that would pretend it wasn’t happening by covering her ears and eyes. She never loved you, that’s why you can’t love yourself. Editing comments wont make your horrific past disappear and arguing about grammar skills wont make you beautiful.. it just lets everyone know that your not just disgusting on the outside but on the inside you are just as equally hideous.
He didn’t misplace the apostrophe, he left off the “e.” You failed to capitalize an “I” in one of your posts.
Do you deserve to be addressed as an ignorant child for that error? Perhaps not. But you certainly deserve to be addressed as a petulant child.
Given that you obviously own a computer, and maybe even know how to google, look up the bloody program yourself, buckbuck.
oh I love you.
Harlan Ellison said, “You are not entitled to your opinion, you are entitled to your informed opinion.”
spelling does matter!
Ummmm, shouldn’t your “i” be capitalised? It’s been 50 years since fifth grade so maybe I have forgotten something taught back then.
So, two young people have been murdered and an elderly man has committed those murders and the people commenting here have nothing better to do that throw insults back and forth over where they were born and how and where to use capital letters.
all this over snow removal? The world has lost its mind. Or at least this 74 year old guy did. May they lock him up forever and make him pay the families
Ok, I am not trying to stir up controversy or even begin to say that the men in blue did something wrong, BUT…….
“Derrick Thompson told police officers that he did not feel threatened by Mr. Pak and his actions,” he said.
I have had a number of issues with neighbors playing loud music, parking in the wrong spot and altogether ignorant behavior, and i have had a few of them even threaten me and wanna fight(which wouldnt be too smart), but i have NEVER been asked by a police officer when he came to the scene of a controversy if i felt threatened….NEVER…IS this the norm or are the police trying to cover up that they didnt know how volatile this dude was when he went off on the kids just 3 minutes lata??….Anyone that wants to fill me in with your wisdom, i would certainly appreciate
Perhaps your trying to hard to find some blame. As Dr. Phil always says, “a pancake may be flat but it still has two sides”
Rest assured the old timer will die in prison. He unfortunately get’s got up in America’s latest crusade of banning guns.
He’s the new poster child. He doesn’t stand a chance no matter what the real circumstances are.
I don’t see the post as looking for someone to blame but more of an observation, which I agree with. The only time I’ve ever heard an officer ask this type of question is during a domestic disturbance call, which technically this was as the landlord lived on the property too.
Not sure myself, but its a good observation.
I so agree with you. Something must have been said to make the officer ask that question. I’ve never been asked if I felt safe. I honestly don’t think any of this can have been predicted but it still ended in such an unfortunate manner. My heart goes out to the families of the victims.
Too many guns, too many wacko’s. A recipe for disaster. How many more will have to die before we agree to demand training and background checks for all owners of guns? Spare me the militia nonsense. There is no trained or organized militia in our country and there never would be.
Of course there isn’t. It was taken out of the public starting in 1971 when the national police forces started referring to ‘we the people’ as civilians and dressing quite eerily similar to our national armies.
The 1960’s scared the s–t of them.
Now all we have is a bunch of uneducated dopers, loafers and criminals. So between those trying to rob and kill us we got the other side bending us over without condom.
The police did nothing wrong. You cannot arrest people for having an argument, “YET”
Never mind the “Fiscal Cliff,” the whole country seems to be dangling over the edge.
So now renters need to do a background check on future landlords.
More so then you realize. I got trapped a few times in bad rentals with unscrupulous landlords. However the table is still tilted towards living next to another renter who is for lack of a better word a bum.
Suffice to say, the times I got trapped I gave no notice when I left. Some landlords are just lucky they had the income to become property owner’s and fail to recognize decent tenants.
I’m in a fantastic place now, best place I’ve ever lived in. He don’t bother me and I never complain. And I got no young criminal druggies living next or around me, and no relationship dramas going on either.
Congratulations on your humble abode. I am surprised at the number of negative comments your post attracted.
There’s no little red dotted lines or blue or anything that shows here on my computer about misspelled words or punctuation error before posting.
Thank-you for telling me punctuation goes inside the quotation marks, when doesn’t it? I’ve been wondering about that.
Why would I want to capitalize the how when it’s basically one sentence?
‘Grammer’ was for a smile.
I didn’t care about this stuff as a kid, I cared about what I could do to make a chore at home easier, what I could make to sell. I got through English by memorizing the night before a test and then forgetting it. Never saw a need to worry about sentence structure or proper punctuation, although when I misspell by accident it really annoys me. My typing stinks.
Oh you better believe we are MAD. That is the only thing that has ever brought about change. The question is, Are we MAD enough to do anything constructive about this?
There is a bit of elitism in these kinds of comments. You dismiss someone’s opinion because they have difficulty with grammar and spelling. Mocking someone is one of the 25 ways to suppress truth. Challenge the position, not the person. Basic tenet in conflict resolution.
Guns have become for us a way to solve problems. What is wrong with that mindset?
You helped create it.The dark side of ‘liberation’ you where never told about in school.
I read the article and look at the posts and I am so disheartened. Here it is new year’s eve and what are we arguing about? Taking a human life or in this case two and trying for three over an argument is wrong no matter who did what to whom. I pray for a return to human kindness in 2013 and I hope there are others who wish the same.
What on earth happened in the comment section here? Wow.
This is a horrific event, so sad that two young lives were lost.
Having lived in Maine quite a few years and encountering more than one Mr. Pak clone, what is shocking to me is that these violent backward hillbilly types havn’t done this more often. Things have got to change.
The bottom line is, two people were senselessly murdered.
From an article in the PPH
Welch graduated from Thornton Academy in Saco last June and was a nursing student at Southern Maine Community College. Thompson, who attended Biddeford High School, worked as a car detailer at Patriot Subaru in Saco.
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Pak-scheduled-for-1-pm-court-appearance.html
So much for the speculations about these two being. Seems like they were planning a future for themselves and not on the dole.
Their lives were taken away before they truly had the chance to live.
Yo Patriot fan,
I hope your not encouraging the young people out there to do a shack-job before they finish their education. And let’s not jump the gun until after the autopsy reports, where we will no doubt see a system loaded with booze and weed.
So please keep your holier than now escape clause on hold. I’d lay 10 to 1 odds she’s got knock up before she ever saw 21.
wow, you’re no patriot fan. with a comment like that they wouldn’t want you . I think I will post it on the pats fan page. pos
one things for sure your hand is your best friend. I can’t see a pos like you getting laid.
These negative perceptions of people and acting on them have destroyed your party and you are barely literate so you can’t see that.
What ails you?
Interesting thing is I’m a Democrat, but not a ‘flaming Liberal’..
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m just going to savor the phrase “holier than now” for a while.
Gee, I can’t resolve this issue so I guess I’ll go to prison for the rest of my life.
So sad to think an old man at the end of his life would end the lives of two kids over something so minor. The mom will have an extremely hard time healing with a broken heart. Saying a prayer for her.
you’re my hero. i love you. don’t leave.