HOWLAND, Maine — The vicious Friday night fight that left two local men with broken facial bones, broken ribs and missing teeth was sparked when money they dropped off for drugs was used to buy beer, one of the four men arrested told police.
Brandon T. Summerson, 21, of Enfield; Charles W. Gardner, 20, of Howland; and brothers John T. McKinnon, 21, and Henry R. McKinnon, 27, both of Howland, each have been charged with two counts of aggravated assault in connection with the fight, which took place down the street from where the brothers live.
The two victims, who are 30 and 31 and both of Howland, ”were both severely beaten,” said Stephen McCausland, Maine Department of Public Safety spokesman. The Bangor Daily News is withholding their names because they are victims.
“Charles [Gardner] told me that the fight started over drug money,” Maine State Police trooper Larry Anderson said in the court affidavit filed in the assault. “He told me that [the victims] gave Henry [McKinnon money] to buy them drugs. Charles told me that Henry used the money to buy everyone beer. Charles told me that [when the victims] came back for their drugs, Henry and everyone bragged about spending their money on beer.”
Gardner told the trooper that the two victims then left, but not before “threatening to get a gun.”
According to witnesses and the McKinnon brothers, the victims repeatedly drove past the McKinnons’ house, swearing and making threats. Later that night the suspects and victims met in the street not far from the McKinnon brothers’ home.
When the trooper responded at about 11:45 p.m. on Friday to a call about a fight in progress, he found the two victims injured and lying on the ground cut, bruised and swollen. One victim told the trooper, “they wouldn’t stop kicking him” but he refused to provide the officer names.
“He was too scared to tell me,” Anderson wrote in his report. “He told me he feared retribution if he told me.”
After the two victims were loaded into ambulances, the trooper found a wallet with Henry McKinnon’s identification inside, and near that found his brother’s cellphone and baseball cap. Police also collected Henry McKinnon’s sneakers, one with blood all over it, Anderson said.
The McKinnon brothers and Summerson “initially denied involvement in the assault” but later changed their stories and admitted they took part in the brutal fight.
Summerson told police he drank 25 beers that day and that he “punched [the 30-year-old victim] 15 to 20 times” and ended up on top of him and “held him down with his knee while he repeatedly punched him in the face. Brandon told me he blacks out when he fights,” the court document states.
A witness told police that while Summerson was attacking one victim, “Charles Gardner [was] on top of a second man … [and] was beating the man in the face with a rock.”
When Gardner returned to the McKinnon’s house, “he was covered in blood,” the court document states. He took a shower and then took off running into the woods and was later seen at a party where he told another person that “he bit the ear off one of the guys,” the affidavit states.
When initially questioned Gardner, who had a cut on one knuckle, told police he left before the fight started but when asked why he was bragging about being involved, “he told me that he wanted people to think he was involved to keep his bad reputation,” Anderson said in his report.
Police took two pairs of Gardner’s shoes as evidence, just before arresting him.
Maine State Police Sgt. David Millett and Troopers Larry Anderson and Keith Barton arrested Summerson and the McKinnon brothers at about 3:30 p.m. Saturday with assistance from Deputy Michael Knights of the Penobscot County Sheriff’s Office and Game Warden Mike Boyer, district leader for the Lincoln region. Gardner was arrested Sunday.
The final page of the 10-page affidavit acquired Tuesday by the Bangor Daily News appears to be a photo of the two injured victims on the ground, possibly taken with a cellphone.
“[The 30-year-old] has 80 facial fractures and will need extensive facial reconstructive surgery,” Jim Aucoin, a Penobscot County assistant district attorney, told Superior Court Justice William Anderson in court Monday.
The younger victim also has a damaged spleen, broken ribs and a possible broken neck, the court document states. He was listed in fair condition on Tuesday, a hospital representative at Eastern Maine Medical Center said.
The 31-year-old man has several facial fractures, including a broken eye socket and broken jaw, knocked out teeth, and a broken nose.
He remained in EMMC’s intensive care unit with an unregulated heart beat, his mother said Monday.
Justice Anderson on Monday ordered that bail be set at $10,000 cash for each of four men.
Within hours, the McKinnon brothers were free.
“They both bailed out last night at [7:35 p.m.],” a jail official said Tuesday afternoon.
Summerson and Gardner remain behind bars, he said.
In addition to the $10,000 cash, Justice Anderson also added several bail conditions, which bars the four men from contacting the victims and each other, and from possessing weapons, alcohol or illegal drugs. The conditions also include random searches and testing and a curfew that requires whoever is bailed to be home between 8 p.m. and 6 a.m.
The four men face up to 10 years behind bars in prison for each of the two aggravated assault charges, if convicted.
The attorneys of the day representing the McKinnons both requested that bail be modified to allow the brothers to have contact with each other because the men live with their parents in Howland.
Anderson denied their petitions, however, based on the seriousness of the crimes.
“The two people have very, very serious injuries,” he said just before making his decision.
I wonder how many beers the judge was drinking when he set their bail to be $10,000. $10,000 was too easy. It should have been much much higher.
Do you know what the purpose of bail is? Here is a hint, it is not punishment…
I don’t know what the official purpose of bail is however, in my opinion, it should to be used to keep very dangerous people off of our streets until they have had their day in court. It should also be used as a flight deterrent. In this case I don’t think $10,000 bail was adequate.
Under a system where the defendant is presumed not to be guilty, the only purpose of bail is to ensure that the accused appear in court. Bail cannot be punitive, and can only be denied in situations where there is a high likelihood that the accused will not appear in court.
Bail is based on the charge, not based on which side of the bed the judge woke up on. My opinion is that the charges are too low in this case. Gardner should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon AND attempted murder. That would have put his bail over 100K easily. The other putz who punched him 10 to 15 times should have two counts of aggravated assault and attempted murder. That way if any victims were to pass away the charge would be MURDER rather than manslaughter. So given the charges they received $5,000 bail for each assault charge. C’mon D.A. do you just draw these charges from a friggin hat? YEESH!
OK. But these guys admitted to the attack on the victims. So shouldn’t they have been denied bail? Also, what is with the charge of aggravated assault? These guys were using rocks etc to pummel the victims. Doesn’t that qualify as attempted murder, or at the very least assault with a deadly weapon?
Yes but the D.A probably had a tee time at a golf course that he had to get through so he let his assistant make the decision on charges.
Don’t forget, that the general public safety is not a concern in this case. If Bail commisioners/judges had to put these people up in their own homes, or in the house next to theirs, things like this would never happen. There is not question as to what they did. When one of these sub humans snaps again, maybe their next victim will be armed. one could hope.
Bail is determined by a guideline based on the crime you are being charged with combined with your prior criminal history! The judge doesn’t just come up with a figure off of the top of his head!!!!
Bail is not intended to punish, it is intended to keep accused criminals from fleeing, thus assuring a trial by jury to determine innocence or guilt. The judge sets bail based off of the state’s charges against the accused, therefore the issue is with the charges against the accused set by the D.A. , not the bail set by the judge. Call me crazy, and this is just my opinion, but holding someone down and hitting them in the face 15-20 times and holding another man down while hitting him in the face with a freaking rock warrants a more severe charge than two counts of aggravated assault.
…SERIOUSLY????!!!! They’re OUT of jail?
i agree! that’s b/s! and 10k is way to light of a bail,, lets see daddy come up with 100k each.. what a crock.. justice anderson needs to be removed and sent to jail with these pukes!
People in our country are innocent until proven guilty. You can not use bail as a form of Punishment. Bail is meant to make sure the person shows up to trial. If he does he gets the money back.
i understand that, but if the bail is set unreasonably low, like in this case, the chance of flee is high and the risk of money is low. if the bail was set at a higher rate then maybe they wouldn’t be walking the streets laughing and still bragging about how “bad” they are. in my opinion they should of been denied bail given the severe brutal acts they chose to partake in. c’mon, 86 facial breaks, eye sockets ripped out, smashing a face with a rock! are you seriously thinking the bail was set right? i respect your opinion but don’t agree with it. until we start dealing diectly with this type of behavior it will only get worse. what kind of message is that judge sending to the other loser’s? i’m not a facebook patron at all but, i’ve read some printed up material these animals posted.. sickening isn’t even the start of a description..
I agree. This was an extremely brutal and damaging aggravated assault, inexcusable and indefensible given the defendants’ own statements, with the defendants facing potentially long sentences (even though the cases are in a Maine state court with a Maine judge). I think there’s a real flight risk here.
I respond with Innocent until proven Guilty. We can not start down the slope of using bail as a mean of keeping people in Jail. Yes these acts are very, very terrible, but for them to stay in jail that is for a jury to decide, not a judge using bail. That would be a very inappropriate use of bail, and a very scary use of it.
AHAHAHAHAH!
Drugs just changed at least 6 peoples lives and their families, for the rest of their lives.
yeah and it was probably drug money that bailed them out of jail!! now that is sad!!
LOL! Sad but true Sally!
If we had a sane drug policy the assault never would have happened because the attackers would have purchased their own drugs. One more example of how the effects of Prohibition are worse than the effects of drug abuse.
Not sure I can understand your logic, Im sure the kind of money involved was not for just pot, so what drugs do you think should be legal? Also Im sure if all drugs were legal they STILL wouldn’t be able to afford them and they would be robbing someone etc to steal the money and/or the drugs.
Policy Policy Policy! Regardless of any of it people would still steal, fight, rape, and murder! I would be willing to bet that if drugs were legal, stuff like this would still happen. We do have a ”
sane drug policy” (Sarcasm). It goes like this: find them, arrest them, smack them on the wrist, let them go… repeat this process five or six times, then lock them up for a weekend…etc. Here is my suggestion, Simple possession: $5000 fine! Second Offense: $10,000 Fine and one year in Jail! Third Offense: 10 Years! Possession with intent to sell? 10 years Automatically!
Agree with you 100%..this problem has been growing in Maine over 10 yrs, since the clinics arrived. It is not leaving, it is increasing. Addicts have one focus, their fix, and no one will stand in their way of that fix. Not jail, not fines, not losing their kids, but jail does get them off drugs, they do not make them dependent for a lifetime as clinics do. If jail can do this, no reason the clinics cannot. Please search online for ‘The Opiate Effect’, a film made about Vermont, and their drug horrors. Until they made penalties serious, there was no slowing down the problem. When their University star athlete overdosed, they gave his friend who supplied the drug 19 yrs….that is when the nightmare for that town began to improve. It is a success story, but then again, those stories don’t make $ like the clinics do, they only save lives.
“Regardless of any of it people would still steal, fight, rape, and murder!”
There is a significant difference between crimes like stealing, fighting, raping and murdering and selling drugs. There is no victim in a drug sale.
What substance are you on when you say there are no victims in a drug sale ?? Go today to the funerals of 3 victims in a burned out car, or go today to the hospital and visit the two men brutally beaten all due to drug money owed. Why did Nicole’s father stab her grammie 26 times over needing a fix ? These dealers have your kids’ $ on their mind at any cost….they will supply them freely with their fix until payday, then they end up in the news when they do not have the $.
I would like to see marijuana legalized, and maybe some other substances that are not so addictive, and increase the penalties for more dangerous and addictive substances, like the illegal possession of oxys, for instance. If people can use pot legally, and the penalties for other drugs are stiffer, they would be more inclined to be satisfied to smoke their weed and leave the other crap alone. And I don’t believe that pot, necessarily, leads to harder drugs.
How much does pot cost?
To grow? About the same as a dandelion.
“m sure the kind of money involved was not for just pot, so what drugs do you think should be legal? ”
All of them. Drugs are too dangerous to be unregulated. They should be made available behind the counter for adults to purchase. Substantial taxes, dedicated to addiction treatment and incarceration for addicts who break other laws–such as robbery–to support their habits, should be placed on these substances. Drugs are incredibly cheap to produce. We could place a 500% tax on the purchase price and they would still be more affordable than current black market prices, which would reduce the need to resort to criminal acts to support habits.
Creeps! How tough are they now? They’ll get what they deserve for being so brutal. This mob mentality is not acceptable for any reason.
The attorneys felt a special request that a 27 year old man not live with mom and dad for a few months until trial was necessary? Who knows, fending for himself for a few months might be the catalyst to allow him to grow up and become a responsible individual. Although if mom and dad were the folks who posted his bond I have a feeling that will not happen.
Nah, he would probably go out and beat the living crap out of a working class citizen and steal their hard earned grocery money THEY need for their kids! That’s how these criminals think. “I am lazy…I am going to take what is NOT mine…I am going to make peoples life a living hell… and I don’t care”!
People just don’t care any more, it is all fun and games and to beat someone to death is no big deal, and if I can get out of jail on a ten grand bond, that is even better, what a joke!
I thought I was jaded by the triple murder, yet this is a mess
They should have not been let out, they are scum bags and this isnt the first time its happend. I grew up with these kids and they have been worthless since we were younger and i hope they get tought a tough lesson now.
Wait, aren’t you Henrys friend? Says so on your fb! Oh, ok…you’re a two-faced punk! I know all of you boys! Yes, even you! So don’t talk your crap here like you’re such a great person who has some high and mighty right to pass judgement on “your friends”!!!!
Dayum! Ouch!
You sure told him, groovychick2!
Yes she did…LOL
at least he’s not afraid to have his name associated with what he says on the bdn! you looked him up awfully fast, didn’t you!? troll….
I am friends with Henry on fb too…and more importantly im friends with him in real life.. i actually do think he is a good guy deep down… he has alot of issues mostly with drugs, thanks to his pill head gf but im sure you know her too… drugs take a hold of you, change the person you are.. makes what are supposed to be priorities in your life seem like distant dreams… people do make mistakes… and the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem… i was an addict for many years… i made horrible choices that led to a bed in cell just as these guys have found… while they can’t take back this horrible night, it is something they will have to live with forever, each of them can stand up and take responsibility for their own actions and deal with the consequences of THEIR OWN ACTIONS… this has nothing to do with the parents, how much money they have, or any other excuses or stereotypes most of the community has labeled them with… it comes down to an addiction and a CHOICE they all made that night… i am not ashamed to know these guys… i hope all 6 of them recover from this.. but even 4 and 5 year olds know that with every bad decision comes a punishment equally to the “crime”.. being an addict isn’t an excuse for the horrible tragedy… nothing can take back what has been done no matter what you label them with… he has a plan for us all… even if no one likes the outcome.. what you do with his plan is your CHOICE..
Yeah, stop being judgmental!
WoW!
At least the Gardner’s didn’t bail Charlie out!
some folks take their parenting seriously.
To all the people who are wondering how the scumbag Mckinnon’s made bail……simple, their parents inherited millions of dollars when a relative of the family died. So $10,000 bail was nothing to them. Sick that they bailed their kids out when both should still be behind bars. If you’re wondering how I know this, I am from Howland where everyone knows everyone else’s business.
Unbelievable to me that they bailed those boys out. The parents could have put that money on a much better cause, How about the hundreds of thousands of dollars in hospital bills these young men, that were so brutally beaten are going to have. My prayers go out to Putty and Jeremy and their parents…………..
Our courts will fail the victims, but a civil suit will get those hospital bills paid for them by the families and their insurance policies.
So they are spoiled little rich kids living in town with nothing to do so they do nothing but mess up peoples lives. They have done this for years. They have messed with people all through school too!!
Bet they have never contributed anything good to society and probably never will. Maybe they can learn a trade at Warren like making license plates. Bet they were great classmates.
There are rich people in Howland?? Who knew?
It’s all relative when it comes to who is rich. Sounds like these sub-humans should just be locked away for many many years. “big turd on crap island” is a phrase that comes to mind.
What I think is great about your post is that YOU STATE THE FACTS AND TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!!!! I love it! Smartypants14 for governah!
What a bunch of thugs. I live 15 miles from the scene of the crime and I’ve never seen such sinister looking creeps. They sound/look like spoiled punks who have gotten away w/too much for too long. Time to pay the piper kids!!
Not with the sentences Judges give out these days.
You are so right…agree 100%. Please check out ‘The Opiate Effect’ online, and how Vermont solved their drug horrors. A 19 yr sentence to a dealer causing death of a victim was the only thing that slowed down their nightmare, which killed many. When it took their star University athlete, the community fought back and won appropriate sentences for destroying their children with drugs.
If people didn’t buy drugs, there would be no dealers. Awfully easy to place the blame when you don’t have a good understanding of who is actually guilty.
Supply and demand. Check it out.
And I find it slightly amusing and rather concerning that only after the death of a star athlete did it become an issue. If the nightmare “killed many”, as you said, but failed to give rise to action, then apparently Vermont doesn’t really care about the little man. Sad, sad day for Vermont and not because of the drugs.
Easy way out ….blame the addict ……So I guess the supplier is not accountable.
Maybe if the US we were like singapore or turkey…we wouldnt have to worry about either.
Did I say the supplier is not accountable? No. I was merely suggesting that one of the two groups is more responsible for the problem then the other. It takes both. But what good is a product no-one wants? No good. Don’t instantly jump to conclusions.
As I said, supply and demand. You aren’t going to build a McDonalds where people are not hungry, nor are you going to sell drugs where people are not getting high.
Also, another easy way out is to redirect the blame away from the
“victim” and suggest they are not responsible for their actions because
of their “condition”.
Agree to disagree. Maybe, at least a 50/50 share of the responsibility.(which came first the chicken or the egg. ) We can blame and blame but its obviously not solving the problem. So hopefully, the community will intervene. Push for changes,change the penal code,increase random searches,to include bus and train stations, Dept of corrections needs to correct.Show that the community means a zero tolerence. People being burned in a car and someone in Icu with 80 fractures has gone too far. I love beautiful Maine and would like to see it that way.
Indeed. Ill party-agree to semi-disagree. It does takes both, in the end.
But I do not believe stricter enforcement is going to solve the problem, as it’ll only increase the value and make drugs more profitable. Remember the prohibition of alcohol. Everything got worse. Everything… Drugs have always been and will always be a part of human society. You’ll never legislate them away. The only solution is rational policy. The laws that make drugs illegal are also the same which make them valuable and worth killing over. Remove the value from the product and you’ll find things will become a whole lot different. Regulate the drugs, remove the need for black market dealers and the crime will go way, way down. Violent crime and otherwise. Unfortunately, this country is run by money and has been since we hired an actor to lead us. And while there is money in regulation, there is lots more money otherwise. Not to mention, Big Pharma will take a massive hit to their profit margin and they’ll never settle for that.
Adults in a free land should be able to make their own decisions, for good or ill. We don’t need more prisons, there are already far too many (and private ones, too, which have a vest interest in such matters). We need more education and treatment (not D.A.R.E which is all fear tactics or methadone clinics where addicts are simply maintained forever on legal dope). We need to give out free needles so people who shoot do not have to share. We need to set up proper, government funded treatment centers (as for profit centers also have a vested interest). We need to spend those billions of wasted drug war dollars on alternative energy, free healthcare or the space program. The War on Drugs is doomed to fail. Its been going on for decades now. Nothing has changed. It has only gotten worse. The harder the laws become, the worse the violence is, as to be expected. If you make something worth killing over, people will kill over it. Its simple.
Curing the drug problem in this country is not as simple as making them more illegal. It just wont work. Prohibition has never worked. Not even the very first one, when there was one cop and only two people to look out for and the punishment: eternal damnation. The cop said: don’t eat the apple. They ate it anyway… There has to be a better solution then continuing to escalate a war that is clearly, due to human nature, not able to be won. Drugs are a part of us and our culture and they always will be. You cant legislate morality.
I love Maine too. Ive seen a fair bit of the country and of all the places Ive been Id prefer to be here. Honestly, I most often find myself wanting to move to a different country entirely, but, I like this place and rather then run away Id like to make it better.
Ah…Dont get me started. I am a replacement therapy proponent.
Perhaps the pharmaceutical companies will someday settle like the tobacco settelement? Just a thought.
They did pay the piper. $10,000 bail. Now they are out looking for another felony to commit!
yeah, I am sure thats the first thing they thought after walking out of the jail. “Boy, I wonder what else I can do to mess my future up.”
Right.
How stupid do you think people are? I mean, they (people) are obviously pretty stupid, judging by standards I see set, here, and there, but you honestly believe that with years hanging they are going to go look for more trouble?
Not sure who the real dummy is, but its someone.
Wow BDN way to make the victims look bad. Glad your taking the word of the attackers! That’s not the story maybe you should print the right one!!!!!!!
Don’t mean to rush to judgment – anxious to hear entire story. The posts from locals are so negative but there are always two sides. Let’s see how this all pans out..
I’m a family memeber of one of the victims. I know the story. Funny how in the police report that the accused gave 4 different versions of the story and the victims have the same story!
Regardless of what stories the accused gave to the police, there is no excuse for the beatings they gave to those two people. This wasn’t self defense, in fact it almost borders on attempted murder. Maybe payback time will come while they are out on bail.
That would only open up another can of worms that doesn’t need to be opened. Two people in the hospital, badly beaten is enough. Stop the insanity now.
Speedy recovery to the victims.
You do know that if one of these men were to die from a blood clot or some such complication, which is always a concern with such trauma, the can of worms would be murder, pure and simple. The thugs on bail or in jail are lucky.
I Do know that. What makes you think these guys would stick around to face any charges of any kind. They come from money, they could flee the country. That is a can of worms in it self.
I agree. Bail should have been higher, especially for the two with the inheritance, who are the ones back on the road. I believe ability to make bail is usually taken into consideration in violent crimes. Not this one.
Beating some one in the head with a rock IS attempted murder!
See now the victims are men! They admit they gave them drug money! They are not changing the story (if what you say is true). Admit to your mistakes and move on. I hope the victims look at this and say It is time for change!
enjoy your bail time … you’re going to prison
what 6 months
Cant go to prison for 6 months.
common white trash comes to mind…..
I spend a good deal of time in Maine, and I have made the statement “ I have yet to meet a Mainer I didn’t like” on numerous occasions, and I can still stand by that statement. Unfortunately, those unsavory characters known as the one per centers exist in even the most idyllic settings, including rural Maine.
I read the BDN on line every day, and quite frankly, I’m appalled at the current state of affairs in your fine State. Drugs are running rampant, causing chaos from Kittery to Fort Kent. It seems that no community is exempt from the tendrils that are weaving their way through your towns, leaving behind a wake of death and destruction. In the grand scheme of things, this is a fairly recent invasive plague that is quickly spiraling out of control in Maine. It’s high time the State declares war on drugs, and those that are responsible for their proliferation in the State.
The sign that greets me as I travel the Maine turnpike “ Maine, the way life should be” is quickly loosing it’s validity, and it saddens me deeply.
I’ve never heard that.
“It’s high time the State declares war on drugs, and those that are responsible for their proliferation in the State.”
Maine, like the rest of the nation has been at war with drugs, and losing badly, for nearly half a century. In that time period America, the Beacon of Liberty in the Free World, has become the world’s largest prison nation. America has more prisoners than totalitarian China, even though America has less 10% of the population. As a return on the investment our nation has made in imprisoning people who are only harming themselves, drugs are cheaper, more pure and more readily available than they were before we started the war. By any objective measure, the war we already have is a failure.
A common definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over while expecting different results. With this in mind, i have to wonder if you are crazy when you say Maine needs a new war on drugs.
it’s a sad state isn’t it. maybe the war on drugs should be put on hold and a war on loser’s should be declared. seems that may take care of alot of the drug issue..
“that may take care of alot of the drug issue”
The urge to alter one’s consciousness is goes pretty deep in humans – ever watch a three year old spin in circles until he fell over with dizziness? With an urge that goes that deep, do you really think anything will change it? Fighting human nature is a losing battle.
That’s why God created parents to teach values and morals. That is why there are jails when one chooses not to obey the law. That is why there are cemetaries and hospitals to assist those that the dealers kill daily. $ is their only motivator, not lives lost.
Dealers create, kill, and destroy their victims. When our courts get serious about that, then changes will happen. Until then, those dealers are bringing a lot of $ into our courts….if they were in jail, that income would cease.
“Dealers create, kill, and destroy their victims.”
Addicts are not victims. People who have been raped, or beaten, or murdered are victims. Addicts hurt themselves. Victims do not.
If you have ever been to the bangor library, or the skate park, or the high school, or the mall, or any restaurant, or used the public bus system, then you would know that drugs are given free to anyone who will try them….to insure they come back for more. The dealers ‘create’ their victims, then show up on payday to collect. This is especially true for waitresses who have daily $ to pay up, or for any kid with a job and a payday…been there/done that, seen it all….they bait and trap them….there is no such thing as catch and release in the drug world….its society vs. the dealers all the way.
Hysteria and lies.
What kind of person running a business gives their product away freely to anyone who will try it?
Tell you who doesnt: all the drug dealers I met over the course of a decade of using. No freebies. No matter what.
Sounds like you had one bad experience.
Why would the dealers be against society? They have to live in society. They need society to sustain their way of life. People who sell are people no less.
Please, get a clue.
Anyone in the drug dealing business knows you give away freely and hook your prey in order to get return business…I have personally witnessed this in our library, when our teens are getting on the Bat bus, off to the side in the woods next to the high school, outside the mall entrances, and in the mall stores…any public place is the safest for dealers to blend in, not get caught, or run if it looks like a trap…..any dealer will supply but you better have money by payday or you end up in the news as the next victim….if you still believe it is hysteria and lies….please attend the funerals today of the 3 victims burned in the car, or go visit the 2 men viciously beaten….all because they could not pay for an addiction that the dealer convinced them was not harmful.
Uh, Im not sure what article you read but in this case the two people who got beat up gave their money to the 4 attackers. I dont see how that fits in with your “because they couldnt pay” scenario.
As I said, being a former user for a decade, I know full well about the business and I still disagree with you completely. I still think you have no-idea what you are talking about.
That being the case, I’ll talk my leave, now. Good day.
But drugs hurt people! Drugs are bad! Pot kills your brain and turns you into an abomination. Drugs do this, drugs do that. Blah blah blah blah. Im posting a counter argument that states the same redundant, failed logic that has been been perpetuated for countless years. I suggest we just continue to lock up people, because although its cost the country billions of dollars and accomplished nothing, at least someone made billions of dollars and thats good for our economy. Blah blah blah blah. Shallow thoughts spoken by shallow minds Ad nauseam.
Know what I think when I read comments like yours: Thank the good lord below that intelligent people exist. Maybe, someday, things might change to a more rational state. Where drugs are regulated and taxed. Where proper systems are in place to manage addiction and where a “free” group of people are allowed to think for themselves and make their own decisions, whether good or ill.
Hears to logic. Cheers mate.
You hit it on every topic. I’m building a retirement home in Maine and can’t wait to live there. I also read the BDN everyday and it saddens me, too. It will not stop me, though it is a concern. I’ve been coming to Maine regularly for fifteen years and have seen a dramatic change.
That is when the clinics lured every addict in the country to come to Bangor. They came for the free housing, food, medical, and methadone. They brought along many friends and family still actively using drugs. Now there are thousands in need of a fix at any cost. An expensive home alarm system is a must here now.
Good points. I believe they are true. If you want to have a good effort to get people off drugs, get rid of the clinics. The only way is “stopping”. But it starts with the person itself. You have to want to.
Stopping is not the answer. Appropiate weaning. Methadone is a safe and proven effective treatment. It seems as if you assume that only low income people are on methadone treatment…yet this is not the case. Professionals, white and blue collar workers are subject to addiction (medical needs – then become physically dependant) just as others.
I would urge you to look at the Maine State Board of Medicine and you’ll find all kinds of professionals that fall into the “addict category”. I don’t believe people come to Maine just for free housing and services. The clinics are not luring people into the state so they can treat them…we have a real live epidemic and it seems society doesn’t want to face the issue. The US has quite an assortment of clinics to address the addict problem. While this is alarming – I would rather try to help those that are truly seeking assistance and then trust the clinics to manage their clients and progress through programs. There are most certainly abusers of the program that need to be sent on their way…but this is a management challenge and not a reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Challenge…be specific. Provide a specific reference to the advantage “stopping”. I’d be interested to see if you can pull this rabbit out of your hat.
The clinics lured every addict in the country here? Right, you know, because there are no other places in this country where people can get food, a place to sleep and some methadone…. Expensive home alarm system? What happened to a German Sheppard and a 1911? Surely just as effective as an alarm system. Besides, it takes the cops how long on average to respond to a home invasion or 911 call? Too long, that’s how long. Big Brother is not always going to be there. You should protect you and yours on your own accord and by your own standards, not contract out your safety to a group of people who care little about you as an individual.
The sign should read “Maine the….IF YOU ARE A DRUG DEALER, WE CARRY GUNS LEAGALY AND ARE NOT AFRAID TO USE THEM! GET OUT OF OUR STATE!!!!!”
Agree on deeply saddening. Augusta has created a task force to deal with the drug issues in our state. Our involvement is needed as it kills and destroys our children. If the courts are not on board, and they take it lightly as we see, then it is our job as citizens to organize and keep our state safe for future generations…this is not leaving. Jail does get them off all drugs…so why can’t the clinics and the rehabs ??
Up country idea of mitigating circumstances:
“Charles [Gardner] told me that the fight started over drug money.”
all adults that still live with mommy and daddy partying in there basement….SAD
And playing video games!
2 of these jabronies are Bangorian and Marko..
BDN posters from their Mommys basement…:)
Proof?
I will not expose my source..
Then forgive me if I do not believe you.
I really dont care if you believe me……I wont lose any sleep over it believe me..
Nor will I. Touche.
Will never amount to a thing while living under their parents wing….
Got their little DS sitting in the basement playing games, smoking crack while sitting around in thier soiled undies…
These guys look like they came straight from Deliverence.
nope, they look like they came straight from ireland
Hey, That’s profiling !!!
NO straight from Howland. That’s what the article said any way. ;)
Not cool but …… the big one does look like a fat leprechaun.
Locked away for a loooong time comes to mind, but that would probably hurt the attackers self-esteem and the bleeding heart liberals in Maine would have fits.
McKinnon is Scottish and Summerson and Gardner are of English origin. Now go away you brainless troll.
england sent their criminals & undesirables to australia,
ireland sent theirs to new england and maine
Contrary to what you are insinuating……criminal activity is not genetic- it’s a learned behavior and done by choice- regardless of ethnic background.
Yep. Australia (as well as the island nation of Tasmania) was used a dumping ground for Europe’s criminals for quite sometime. Strange, considering how Aussie’s are some of the most charming folks I have had the pleasure of meeting. A lot more polite, kind and “worldly” then most Americans.
gardner’s are irish. sorry.
Since Charlie was adopted you’re all wrong!
So they where wearing Kilts and playing bag-pipes.
LOL @ dolbylandfill!
Related to Rowdy Roddy Piper…. He choked him out with the bag-pipes…
Don’t mess with Scotland.I am sensitive about that! lol
The parents will continue to bail them out just like they always do. How do you think they became the type of people they are today. Mommy and Daddy always defending them and bailing them out. Get them both JOBS and make them earn their own way and maybe they will become responsible adults. But I really doubt it. Anyone who would do what they did to another human being regardless of the circumstances need to be locked away for a good long time but sad to say they probably won’t.
Fat boy claims he blacks out when he fights…Yet he seems pretty clear on what happened. I love Gardner’s foolishness…Seems like he’s told three or four different stories based on to whom he was speaking and what his purpose was. He wants people to think he’s a bad arse when anyone who knows him knows he’s just a daddy’s boy who has had a silver spoon sticking out of his arse his entire life. I hope Will leaves him in jail so he can dry out and detox. Best place for him, even if it would be hard for a parent to do. These doofuses have contributed ZIP to the world their entire miserable lives.
you talk about these people like you know them, using a mans name as his family does….maybe you could show some respect for the only father whose actions you agree with…..
If one of my kids were to do this I would have been arguing with the judge for $250,000 bail! I would personally lock my own children up in that prison cell and say see you in 25 years!
the ones that put on a tough guy look durin their mugshots,
are the ones that break down later and become singers
that would be you, John McKinnon
What is wrong with these parents?I know if that was my son he’d be sitting in jail for a long time!!They’re never going to learn a thing in life if Mommy and Daddy keep bailing them out.Its probably to late with these two dumb asses for them to ever get a clue or job.
home depot and walmart would not even hire the McKinnons or
the other two, to clean the store’s toilet bowls and bathroom
floors
are you kidding….? walmart and it’s hiring policies have nothing to do with these boys.
“McKinnons,21 and 27, live with their parents in Howland”
hahaaaaaaaaa!
At times like this I pray Karma really does exist.
He does exist and his names BUBBA and he is waiting for fresh meat!
If Karma exists, it makes you wonder what they did in a previous life to become who they are now.
Ages 20,21,27,30 and 31 really boys we have nothing better to do than beat each other because of drugs and alcohol.
I’m not here to pass judgement on any of these individuals. I’m saddened that what has transpired is the product of their own chosen environment. I hear the excuses all the time, “well this place has nothing to do and the jobs are scarce.” So, does that make it right to become complacent in a lifestyle of drug use and alcohol abuse? I think not. Everyone wants to blame their actions or their misfortunes on someone else or the locality that they live in. Bottom-line, we have the opportunity in this country to make better lives for ourselves and in so doing, we make a better society for all. The key word, is “CHOICE”! Until an individual assesses his/her own life and chooses to make a change, our judicial system will remain inundated with these violent crimes. I myself chose to make that change. In 1992, in the same exact court system that these kids are involved with now, I was charged with the same exact offense that they are facing now. I was so very fortunate to have not been branded with a felony. I think of that individual that I inflicted injury upon, and I am so very sorry for hurting them to this very day. I cannot change the past and take away the pain that I caused, I can however; CHOOSE to make decisions in my life that are of a positive nature. To all that are involved in this terrible event, I hope that all can emerge from this as better members of society. There are more than just those six young men that have been affected.
they got the money cause there mothers dad died and she got 1 million dollars
Yeah, after Penquis C.A.P. built them a brand new home to live in because they lived in a dump before!!!
Do you actually have a point or just trying to be extremely rude by pointing out others misfortunes?
Misfortune? Like a crushed skull, punctured spleen,and a now irregular heartbeat?
David, do you read? My reference to misfortune was directed at the comment about the living conditions! It is pathetic that rather than stay on topic, people choose to add comments directed at attacking the state of the parents past financial status….this would be relevant how? Y’all name call and attack like you think you are so much better than those you condemn!
I am a MUCH better person.Sorry I have never bashed out someones teeth out.Ruptured a spleen.Or crushed someones skull with a rock.
Yeah… if we are comparing each other to the likes of these guys, I’m a freaking ANGEL. Gimme a break, WHO defends this crap?
ONCE AGAIN….I AM NOT DEFENDING THIS! Y’all obviously do not read an entire comment before you jump in with one of your own!!
:) Yes I read your comments… all of them.
No you name call, judge and place yourself above all others…. I can certainly see how you feel superior!
My actions or lack there of speak louder than words.
Considering you are “David” from Yahoo, I guess your words are all that represent you here and thus you will be judged by those words.
Or used proper grammar.
they got the money cause there mothers dad died and there mom got 1 million dollars!
plenty of hardworking people live in howland. these guys should have been working and contributing to society. out on the street doing drugs and drinking and cheating people is ridiculous. no theres not much to do in howland that is true but if they had jobs they could move somewhere else. drugs and fighting are not the answer. they are not “boys” they are adults who need to pay the price for their choices and actions. they should have had to sit in jail and suffer for what they have done. but of course that didnt happen, i only hope they get what they deserve when the judge hands down the sentence. unfortunately they probably won’t get much more than a slap on the wrist. i hope parents in howland are talking about this to their kids and emphasizing how the wrong choices can ruin lives. stay out of trouble and away from drugs and alcohol. get a good education, join sports or afterschool activities, hang out with people who have goals and are working towards them goals. dont end up in your 20’s with no job and wasting your life drinking and drugging all the time.
25 beers????? Bright future ahead for young Grizzly Adams!!
He prolly had 5. We all know redneck backwoods hillbillies always lie about how much they drank. It makes them look tougher (Sarcasm)
From the looks of Lion King boy/Zeus 25 beers is quite believable.
Hillarious!!!!!!
Ive met Summerson on the inside. He is a push over. Thats why he instantly admitted to the police his involvement. He isnt a “tough” kid. I wouldnt be surprised if it was closer to 7ish beers.
I know 4 of these boys personally….two accused and both victims! This is a sad sad situation! These boys grew up together a.d the events and choices that occured in one night have changed so many lives forever! Y’all comment here and you’re angry and I understand that but why contridict yourselves? No one deserves to be beaten to the extent that these guys were but y’all keep saying the others should be hung or worse! Bottom line is: ALL 6 OF THESE GUYS made choices that put them in this situation! I’m not saying that makes what happened right! I hope that Moo and Putty recover quickly and I hope that everyone involved have learned something from this tragic incident and can use what they have learned to proceed with a better choice making outlook on life!!
Tragic? Tragedy is like a tornado or tidal wave. This was bordering on attempted murder. All 6 of them??? Blaming the two victims? Yeah a punctured spleen,skull beat in with a rock,it was all justified.
As I said, I KNOW these boys!! I will not disrespect any of them….I WILL say ONCE AGAIN that ALL 6 of them made very bad choices that night that lead to what happened! A tornado or tidal wave is a disaster….this i.cident is tragic….boys who are frie.ds and grow up together should never stand against each other like this! I am not choosing sides! I care about all 4 that I know and my heart goes out to each of them and their families! To be more specific….I know Henry, John, Moo and Putty but not the other two!
Bad choices that night? It seems they have made bad choices for years. I don’t have sympathy for people who make mistakes but never change. Find some new friends. These “boys” are scumbags!
And your judgmental immature name calling resolves the whole issue! Thank you so much for your educated words of wisdom!
Yes! I am judging them, and the legal system has done the same several times. This is not a “whoops, I made a mistake” situation. Good people make mistakes but when they do it does not include knocking out someone’s teeth with a rock!
Not once did I say it was a mistake! I said they all made bad choices!
Yeah, there he goes, being mean and judgmental. Betcha he didn’t watch those boys growing up like you did.
I am not defending what was done or who did it! I am simply saying that it was wrong and horrible and none of these boys ever should have allowrd themselves to be in such a situation! I don’t condone ANY of this! It breaks my heart that 2 people that I know and care about are in the hospital and 2 others are facing so much trouble…. I CAN’T AND WON’T choose sides! But because I won’t agree with opions posted here that makes me bad and wrong?? Really???? I am not two faced, I am not a “I’m here until things get too tough to take” these boys aren’t my friends they’re like my own kids they grew up around me….sorry people I am not turning my back on them!!
Disrespect them?
They are not worthy of anything close to respect, these people are scum, the sooner they are locked away the better!
I’m sure that if we all take a moment and think, we have all done things in our lives that we shouldn’t have done….most of us not to this extreme but, according to your thought process, this leaves us all unworthy of anything close to respect! I watched these boys grow up….I will not stoop to your name calling level! I sympathize with them ALL!!!!
I just took a moment, Grooves, and though I have gotten angry from time to time, I have never even considered bashing in someone’s face with a rock, much less a lifelong “friend”. These men are antisocial, borderline psychopaths. The beatings, to the extent such as they were, were much more than bad decisions. You need to take a moment and think about that. Don’t respect these men. Find new friends.
And now twocentspls is a licensed psycologist handing out diagnosis based upon what heshe has read in a newspaper article and what other people have commented! No, it was not right what was done but everyone of these guys were in the wrong! And so are all of the people on here who talk out of one side of their mouth about how violence like this is so wrong and then scream out of tbe other side all the horrible things that should be done to the accused! What does that make you? The same things you’re calling them????
I admit my opinions are based on unsubstantiated details and until facts come out, probably everyone should keep their thoughts to themselves. But, in this forum, that is not how it goes. You wish to defend them and I don’t. Tell me some of the respectable things these men have done in the past and I’ll reconsider. Did they shovel driveways for the old ladies of the neighborhood? Drive for Meals for ME? Chop wood for some poor guy laid up with a bad back? Why do you defend them so?
And, I did not suggest horrible things be done to them. I gave the opinion they are dangerous and not worthy of your respect. That’s all. Show me I’m wrong.
jail will get them off their drugs, and give them the chance to think sanely again….then it is their decision where to go from that point, or whether to abuse drugs in the future
drug addiction means a fix at any cost, as we see in the news daily, they will kill their own family when a fix is needed, so friends beating each other senseless is just part of the drug culture….dealers will supply your need, but when you can’t pay up to supply their fix, you are only collateral damage.
If they were so tough they would have said “yeah we did it…thats how punks like us roll” rather than say “no othiffa…I only said it to make me keep my tough na na na name” “I dont wanna go to jail wwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh I didnt mean it waaaaahhhhhh it wasnt me wwwwwaaaaaahhhhhhh Blat Blat”!
The drug dealers made the choice to kill and destroy our youth. The addicts lose all choices once they decide to try drugs. There is no choice…you need a fix at any cost. When the dealers are penalized for their killings, then the killings will slow down, and not until our courts are on board with stopping this insanity….Jail gets them off all drugs, clinics and rehabs could too, but they make big $ in treatment rather than getting them off all substances.
As someone who has been previously addicted to drugs, and been to jail and knows about treatment and rehab, I am here to tell you that your preconceived notions are, basically, all incorrect. Furthermore, unless you yourself have been in a position similar to that which you speak, you actually have no real knowledge about drug abuse and addiction.
1. Dealers dont choose to kill. Most of them dont want to kill their clients. Its bad for business.
2. You do not lose all choices as the addict. Despite how sick you get, there are always choices and not everyone who is addicted will get a fix at “any cost”. You make a choice to pick up the phone or you make the choice to not pick it up. Either way, a choice is made.
3. No amount of legislation is going to stop or prevent drug abuse. Numerous studies reflect this. Drug use has been a part of our culture since our culture existed.
4. Jail does not get people off drugs, really. It prevents them from having access. It doesn’t address the underlying issue. Yeah, you spend some time inside you’ll kick, but chances are you’ll go right back to it after you get out. Its not an atmosphere conductive to overcoming addiction. In fact, having spent time in jail, I feel like it makes you want them more.
5. You are correct about treatment. There is no money in a cure for anything. Thats why there isnt a cure for cancer, or aids. No money in a cure. However, you say clinics and rehabs could get them off. Most often clinics (for profit companies) just get people on their legal dope instead of street dope. That way the government gets a cut and the addicts are kept addicts. Its a lucrative business.
Addicts including alcoholics have no choice once the substance is in their system…with drugs it is do them or die, at any cost. There will be seizures and DTs without medical treatment. Your choices are gone once you take that first drink, or that first hit. So you are agreeing that treatment makes no $, and the state gets paid for each person it jails, as well as each person it treats at the clinic….it also brings in big $ to landlords for putting the addicts up, which keeps city taxes paid, and it keeps attornies employed with their criminal drug related cases….it keeps federal dollars coming for mainecare and food stamps used by every addict, whether they are getting treatment or not…..as social security disability deems them ‘unemployable’. You neglected to tell anyone here exactly ‘how’ you quit your habit ? That would be useful info for those who are fighting the war on drugs.
Have you done drugs? I have. A lot of them. Everyone you could imagine. Why are you preaching to me like you have a clue? If you had one it would be apparent, but I find your words to be empty. The choices are gone after you take a single hit or a single drink… Yeah, right… Sounds like you are terrified of drugs and a victim of hysteria. And, I quit by quitting… Is there a different way? I didnt get help or anything of the sort. I am an egotistical, prideful, strong willed person. I laid in bed for 10 days and about died. But hey, I didn’t. I also was never on food stamps or mainecare, despite your claim that they are used by every addict. There is such a thing as a responsible drug user, even one that is addicted chemically. Not all of them are monsters. Not all of them are unable to stop after a single drink. Not all of them are committing violent crimes to support their habits. I cant tell you how many times I went through DT’s when I was broke. I could have made the choice to go rob someone or be a scumbag, but I didnt. Again, an addict making a choice, and in this case, I made the choice to be sick many times (which contradicts basically all of your “knowledge” and certainly your statement of “do them or die, at any cost”). I knew about gear, I knew ways to get money but I would never do anything dishonorable to get anything, not even Heroin. Pretty strange, huh? An honest drug addict. Not sure how that fits into your whole deal. Again, a choice is always made, and, not everyone is the same. Users and abusers are NOT the same, either.
How much experience with drugs do you actually have? Based on the certainty of your words Id hope a lot. Or is your knowledge simply derived from the mass amounts of misinformation and hysteria to be found? Again, real knowledge is obtained from personal experience.
Also, stereo-type, much?
And yes the other two people should get the same as the “other putz”!
They should have been put in front of Justice Cuddy, then it wouldn’t be up to the parents to decide if they should bail their sons out or not.
Make Maine a place drug dealers are afraid of. Add a $5.00 fine for every dollar of street value. LOL! They would probably think a little harder before they bring it into our state!
Make sure you put an electric fence around your retirement home to keep thugs like this out of your yard!
No 6 days!
With all but 1 suspended!
Uh derr dee derr derr. Did anyone notice that 99% of maine crimes are commited by white people? derr dee der derr! WTH? Really blame the Irish name? You must be well edjujicated.
There is no justification for that level of violence. The references to an inheritance in some of the posts just shows that money does not buy class.
These two brothers are idiots, look if your gonna buy drugs buy it yourself, trusting your money with someone else is stupid. Then beating the crap out of them suppose to make you tough? Please its howland, very dirty town
DON’T DO DRUGS. You will turn out to be a loser at home with your parents, going to jail, and getting beat up or killed. Another great story for the loser society drugs have created.
Tell that to Sigmund Freud, who was addicted to cocaine for a large part of his life. Or William Shakespeare, in who’s pipe was found evidence of Marijuana use…. Yep, drugs create a loser society… Maybe its society that creates loser drug users? Drugs have been used since the beginning of the human race. We as a species have gone rather far, despite our continued fascination with mild altering substances. Obviously drugs are not the issue. People are the issue.
I grew up in W. Enfield, next to Howland. I remember when the person that was accused of murdering Heather White had bail set at $1. She was 8 years old and unfortunately I worry that she has been forgotten. $1 was not the right number…$10K is not the right number. If you hurt someone, you should not be allowed to walk the streets until you have felt the pain that you have caused someone else. Eye for an eye. These guys deserve to be sent to jail for a very long time.
Looking at the pictures I am trying to figure out who the brain behind the operations is..John or Henry?
Brains of the operation? Im gonna guess that the combination of brains here couldn’t make one rational thought..They are scum..It’s now up to the justice system to do its job..
Lets hope justice is served.
I think a night crawler has more brains….
The mug shots make them look so remorseful… not.
Not a scratch on these pack running bullies.
Doesn’t sound like the poor guys who got beat up were very smart either if they were indeed making threats about getting a gun & taunting these guys as some people said.
Senseless violence & once again drugs are involved.
The attorneys of the day representing the McKinnons both requested
that bail be modified to allow the brothers to have contact with each
other because the men live with their parents in Howland.
Anderson denied their petitions, however, based on the seriousness of the crimes.
That’s funny because I was told by a very reliable source that they were both seen walking into a local store yesterday (mind you…just hours after they were bailed out of the slammer) TOGETHER!!! The towns people need to take action when they see these 2 heathens together!!!! Get them off the streets AGAIN…Maybe their parents will think about next time posting bail if they lose out on their money they posted this time!!!!!! The 2 victims are not free to be roaming the streets…they are fighting for their lives laying in a hospital bed with their family members watching over them. The McKinnon boys should not be allowed to be out roaming the streets doing as they please!!!!
These types of comments are why I enjoy the comment section of the BDN so much. The info offered by the locals adds a different dimension to the article. I have a much better understanding of all the parties involved in this particular incident by reading the comment section than anything published so far. Not to make light of the situation, but I couldn’t help but think of the recent series The Hatfields and Mccoys while reading many of the comments. Senseless violence rearing it’s ugly head.
I hope these boys go away for a longtime. There are useless people.
These men are animals and shouldn’t have had bail set so low.
You really should be nicer, you will upset the few that post here that support these menaces of society…
Devildung and groovyquacker will be upset reading this..
all the crimes being committed in maine today, is because
of a potato famine 150 years ago
That statement makes zero sense…..criminality is not passed on through genetics- it’s a learned behavior and done by choice (unless there is a medical issue.) All you have done is perpetuate a silly stereotype. Stereotypes are not based on any type of empirically based evidence- stereotypes are based on nothing more than personal supposition- which aren’t worth much.
thee are 2 sections of boston that are crime filled slums,southie amd roxbury
while the other sections of boston have little crime and prosperity,
You stated that ‘all the crimes being committed in maine today, is because of a
potato famine 150 years ago’ so now you cite Boston neighborhoods. So which is it?? Maine or Massachusetts ? There are ethnic neighborhoods (Italian, Korean, Chinese, Polish, German, French, etc, etc) all over the United States. Unless you can cite actual reliable data sources that clearly indicate that crime is higher in ‘Irish neighborhoods’ as opposed to crime in other ethnic neighborhoods- then your argument is nothing more than supposition….not factually based.
You got them all wound up over that comment…LOL
Sounds like someone brought 1 friend to a 4 enemy and rock fight, next time try to follow through on the gun threats (walmart pea shooter for middle class since you did just loose drug moneys) or cut your losses, see now you have to fix your face probably become addicted to meds pre/post op. GL bros.
Wouldn’t you rather sit in jail for 30-40 years or come out of ER in year or so lookn like fraggle rock, LMAO.
this was a very violent attack…………………..the people who did the assaulting should be charged with much stronger charges,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and…………..should pay all medical bills plus compensation for all the suffering victims. I feel strongly that they deserve to go to jail and serve time.
You and everyone else here, sister.
Addicts including alcoholics have no choice once the substance is in their system…with drugs it is do them or die, at any cost. There will be seizures and DTs without medical treatment. Your choices are gone once you take that first drink, or that first hit. So you are agreeing that treatment makes no $, and the state gets paid for each person it jails, as well as each person it treats at the clinic….it also brings in big $ to landlords for putting the addicts up, which keeps city taxes paid, and it keeps attornies employed with their criminal drug related cases….it keeps federal dollars coming for mainecare and food stamps used by every addict, whether they are getting treatment or not…..as social security disability deems them ‘unemployable’. You neglected to tell anyone here exactly ‘how’ you quit your habit ? That would be useful info for those who are fighting the war on drugs.
Anyone in the drug dealing business knows you give away freely and hook your prey in order to get return business…I have personally witnessed this in our library, when our teens are getting on the Bat bus, off to the side in the woods next to the high school, outside the mall entrances, and in the mall stores…any public place is the safest for dealers to blend in, not get caught, or run if it looks like a trap…..any dealer will supply but you better have money by payday or you end up in the news as the next victim….if you still believe it is hysteria and lies….please attend the funerals today of the 3 victims burned in the car, or go visit the 2 men viciously beaten….all because they could not pay for an addiction that the dealer convinced them was not harmful. Save edit
Outstanding citizens of this fine Country, keep up the great work guys…. You make us proud…
Probably never held a job in your life…..Your parents must be proud…
My source states in went like this. One of the two victims fronted a pill costing 40 dollars. The four were collecting their debt.
Not making light of the situation. Appears 1 of the 2 victims will be a chronic pain patient. Looks like Mckinnon’s inheritance is dwindling.