EDINBURG, Maine — A state trooper shot a town man at the man’s Edinburg Road home after he came at the trooper with a knife while making homicidal and suicidal threats, state police said Tuesday.
Trooper Chris Hashey was placed on administrative leave with pay per standard procedure pending the outcome of the Maine Attorney General’s Office investigation, while the man he shot, 54-year-old Warren Frederick Dome, was in serious but stable condition after surgery at Eastern Maine Medical Center in Bangor, state police Maj. Gary Wright said.
The incident began, Wright said, when Dome called dispatchers at the state police barracks in Orono at about 5:30 p.m. from his home at 682 Edinburg Road making the threats. Hashey and Penobscot County Sheriff’s Deputy Ray Goodspeed were among the first officers to respond. When they arrived, Dome confronted them with the knife and was shot, Wright said.
“At this point in time we are still trying to get all the details together,” Wright said Tuesday, declining to discuss how many shots were fired or how far Dome was from Hashey when the officer pulled the trigger.
“There was a confrontation. I am not going to get into particulars at this point but there was a confrontation with the officers and the individual and as a result, he was shot,” Wright said.
The officers immediately began administering first aid to Dome once he was down. Dome was flown by LifeFlight helicopter to the Bangor hospital shortly after 7:30 p.m., after paramedics spent close to 30 minutes administering to his wounds in the ambulance.
Howland firefighters established a landing zone in a park opposite the former tannery site on Route 6 in Howland and met the Penobscot Valley Hospital ambulance when it arrived. Dome, who appeared to be somewhat conscious, had what looked like a leg wound.
The state police’s mobile crime lab arrived on scene about 8 p.m. and state police officers worked the scene for about two hours before the press conference.
Tuesday’s incident was not Dome’s first brush with the law this year.
In February, he was arrested twice for operating under the influence over a three-day period, according to police.
In May, he was sentenced to 48 hours in jail, fined $500 and had his license suspended for 90 days after he was convicted of operating a vehicle while under influence of intoxicants.
Also last spring, he was ordered to pay a $350 fine for violating his bail conditions.
Bud Light hurr we go
wow,, this isn’t the story we’re getting here locally,, surely there’d be no vicious rumors a muck! heh heh,, crime crime crime,,, funny how it’s increased since that casino pop’d in huh.. must be just a coincidence…
Yes, crime rates in Edinburg have skyrocketed since the casino opened.
lmao!! oh man,,
When did they open a casino in Edinburg? I guess I’ve been away from the area a while too long.
They don’t need one in Edinburg. The one in Bangor has a long enough reach.
I think your right! I had never even heard of Edinburg before yesterday!!
That’s because there’s not much in it!
well what is the story you’re getting there locally?
well,, lets just say it differs, i don’t want to fuel any rumors either.. you know how a small town can escalate a story,, lets just see what the troopers say..
thank you for your restraint. very kind and responsible, givrsum.
“see what the troopers say..” Funny. You think that they are going to say anything except that it was “justified” in some way? Seriously. You think that the troopers are going to say that they made a mistake and should be sued or fired?
Your attitude of blind deference to the officers is the major reason why this State needs an independent board to investigate every use of deadly or excessive force by any LEO. The self critique required by the present system is expecting to much of anyone. Unless of course you believe that no Maine officer has ever misused deadly force in the last 20 plus years.
It seems to me it doesnt matter what the police say to you, your going to crucify them anyway. Your the type of person who would like to see dead cops. Plain and simple.
You don’t know me or what “people like me” may think. I emphasize THINK. Try it.
If you did you would recognize the factual accuracy of what I propose. You might even note that I did NOT pass any judgment on this event or the officer. I suggested that the process of determining the facts you choose to assume be neutralized and given credibility. Why do you find that offensive or a basis for a personal attack on me? FYI: I am a LEO and have been for a long time.
Congratulations, me too. So you want people that are not trained in 17A-107 judging your decisions? Based on what some of these people write on here, “Shoot him in the leg” and all the other non-sense. The way you talk I highly doubt your an LEO, but whatever, have a good day Mr. Paytreot.
No. I want people trained in the law to make that decision. A review board doesn’t have to be made up of the ignorant to be neutral. I should contain those trained in the law, LEOs, educators, and ordinary citizens with the aptitude to understand what is reasonable under the circumstances. If you believe that LEOs can make that decision, why can’t others as well? The problem with the current system is that it is entirely populated with persons and agencies with a personal interest in the outcome. That cannot be a credible process as the suspicion and cynicism that surrounds every LEO shooting demonstrates.
And why do you “highly doubt” that I am a LEO? Can’t someone with that history think critically about the system in place? Does being a LEO mean that you must reflexively conclude that every other officer is infallible? Unfortunately, that attitude is in concert with the general view of LEOs as mindless neanderthals who enjoy the use and abuse of force. The haters of LEO will cite your comments as exhibit A as to why the report of “the troopers” should be suspect.
Because I believe what I was told with nothing to disavow that version of events? I know Hashey, I know he wouldn’t shoot someone just because. You can believe whatever it is you want to believe. I have no reason not to believe his version of events. You and I werent there, so it is all speculation by us. I say let the AG’s office do their job. If you dont have any faith in them, maybe you should try to become one and then unjustify all the shootings you want.
Checks & balances are good things.
blind deference? who do you think you are? i was merely trying to avoid any rumors, if your an actual leo, then my guess is your from mass, or just a pizz poor one.
I think I am a person who has every right to have an opinion and to actually think about issues before forming one. I am not someone who thinks that name calling is an appropriate rebuttal to a differing opinion. And no, I’m born and raised in good old Maine where I learned to express myself without personal attack and to let others do the same.
So give it another try; articulate for me why you so object to an independent panel reviewing deadly force use?
omw when is the crazyness going to stop
i jhust talked to the witness he saw 2 cops fly by his house he was sitting onthe edge of the road in his car he saw their brake lights he heard 2 gun shots he drove 200 feet in his antique to see a hole in the guys leg and a trooper taking the clip out of his gun they told him he had just contaminated a scene park your car and walk 2 houses home well give your car back after the scene has been cleared
Is paragraphs’ 2&3 related to the story? Did the State Police impound the witnesses car?
He’s a person of interest too. He says he found the guy and his story gets checked out. Not unreasonable. This shot fellow may have a story of his own, if he’s lucky enough to tell it.
Shot fellow? I don’t remember reading any reference to the man’s height.
The grammar may not be perfect, but pipedownnow means that the person who was shot may have a story of his own, if he survives.
“the person who was shot,” “this shot fellow?” I’m still confused as to what evidence has been released to assume the victim is vertically challenged.
‘This shot fellow’ in correct grammer would be ‘the person who was shot’.
The ONLY ones making height references are you and TakingItAllIn.
TakingItAllIn was making a play on Maine’s R-less accent, whereby ‘shot’ sounds like ‘short’ to a Mainer.
;)
Amazing how many people didn’t get that.
A brutal day for this guy. Shot in the scrotum first and then being called vertically challenged “shot”. Talk about adding insult to injury!
Ayuh.
I checked the mug shot and there was no height scale as is the norm. So there is really no way to tell if he is shot or tall.
Okay, now THAT was funny TakingIt…..thanks for starting my day with a laugh, especially in the BDN comments……laughs are few and far between here.
I hope this man pulls through!
I find it sad that the only thing the witness appears concerned about is getting his car back. People seem to be lacking in empathy, both in the online forums, and in real life.
How would you feel if your were “just a passer by” and your car was impounded?
I might be frustrated, but I would certainly not be as concerned about getting my car back, as I would be about the person I found lying on the side of the road, SHOT, living.
Sorry, I thought caring about others was a good thing. Are you saying it’s not?
I’m lost is this a police shooting or what? People’s comments don’t match the story . What’s up>>>>
I’m not understanding why they impounded the car of a man who happened by.
He became part of the crime scene…thats why. For all we know, he did it and just said he happened to drive by. No likely or suggesting that but the State Police are not mind readers. Can you imagine the egg on the face if it turned out the vehicle could have produced evidence of something vaulable??
Thank you. That makes sense.
No problem.
Or smokeable?
drugs
From WABI:
“by
Carolyn Callahan
– August 14th 2012 08:19pm
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Local News
Edinburg –
Authorities are on the scene of a reported shooting in Edinburg.
It happened around 6 p.m. on Edinburg Rd.
A man has been taken to a hospital with what we’re told are gunshot wounds to the thigh and scrotum.”
Sounds almost like a case of wife/girlfriend not very happy with the husband/boyfriend for possibly doing something??
Wow, guess they got it wrong hahaha
“All I want to do is get my license back,” the man said. He declined further comment. Why did they take his license, editor can you clarify this, im lost
Most likely he left it in his car.
it,s rt 155 , rt 6 is in lincoln.
stop deleting my comment BDN is so far left if you disagree they are just removing the comments
That’s actually in the rules for posting, you just apparently need some special glasses to see the hidden text. But yeah it is the norm around here.
I was going to respond to your post and now my comments have to be approved by a moderator. You are trouble my friend, big trouble. What did you say anyway?
just mentioned how we pay out in excess of a grand for each officer to carry a tazer but yet anytime anyone pulls a knife they tend to shoot them. I was listing to it as it happened and 2 officers there and nether one had tazer ready. Seems we could save some money if we just sold the tazers and approved officers to shoot in all cases.
PCSO doesn’t carry taser’s and only a very very few Troopers have them. Just an FYI
PCSO’s Supervisors now carry Taser’s.
Cool, when did that happen? As far as I knew they didn’t.
Very recently. I was speaking with one of the Sergeant’s a couple of weeks ago and he had it on his duty belt then. He told me that cost was a factor so they are starting with supervisors first.
Was sure they were since it was signed and applied in the 2010 budget request, sorry for the confusion in that case all for the shooting.
A knife is considered deadly force. The effective range for a fatal knife attack is considered to be between 20 and 25 feet with the suspect moving towards you.
I am so thankful that the office is reported to have shot the man in the leg, and did not fire a lethal shot.
Having a psychotic break shouldn’t be a death sentence. Many of the those suffering have served our country. :`-(
must be one long azz blade ! And before anyone starts in about you can throw a knife anyone who has been trained in hand to hand or close quarters combat knows you NEVER throw your knife……..
any thing you use can be considered deadly force
A knife is not “deadly force”. It is how it is being used and with what intent that can be deadly force. See 17-A sec. 2 (8). So the issue here is what was the suspect DOING and intending to do, not what he had in his possession. Those facts are conveniently left out of the press report from the police.
The legally established “zone” where a person holding a knife in a “threatening” manner is considered to be 20-25 feet. That distance can be covered in mear seconds by the person holding the knife and an officer is legally justified in using deadly force when that person moves towards the officer in a “threatening”.
Give me a legal citation to this “legally established ” zone.
There is no such thing. But the point is that having a knife is not justification for execution. It is how it is being used and the intent of the user that is at issue. If you disagree, I hope you are not a hunter. Under your theory, if an officer or warden sees you in the woods with a rifle or knife your life is their’s to take. It is not what you consider anything to be that is important, it is what the law actually is that I corrected and did so accurately. Having a knife is not “deadly force”, in fact the definition cited does not even mention knives, it focuses on intent.
Admit your misstatement, make your point without unsupported claims as to “the law” and let others do the same.
Do you often put words into posters mouths?
I never said that the only justification for using deadly force was the distance from the officer to the person holding the knife. What I did say was that a person holding a knife and is within 20-25 feet of an officer can cover that distance in mear seconds. That is a fact.
I also said that the person in this case had made a phone call to the Orono barracks (likely from a cell phone since cell calls are touted to the MSP barracks) and made”homocidal” and “suicidal” statements.
So your the Trooper. You are confronted by a man that is armed with a knife and has made “homocidal” and “suicidal” statements. So do you think that the Trooper just thought, “man, he wants to die so I think I will just shoot him”? Or do you think that the person might (since he wanted to die one way or another) have ignored orders to drop the knife and made a movement towards the officer?
Which scenario above do you think happened last night?
The guy got exactly what he deserved…..Too bad so sad.
Not true – the report in the article said that he was spouting homicidial and suicidal threats. I find that to be considered “deadly force”.
Yeah, he was loaning the officer the knife so he could spread his buttah on his toast, what do you think he was going to do?
yes agree but also know that there are a dozen ways to disarm knife attacker with out use of firearm, officers carry baton, tazer and mace all three which could have been used. I dont mind people getting shot hell i am for shooting them and saving tax payer money as long as they are committing a deadly act. but we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on less-then lethal items and training that are not being employed in times they could be. And actually according to the FBI and most combat training it is 18 feet or less for a knife but 20-25 is close enough.
Well Maine Troopers do not carry Tazers. At least the ones I know don’t carry them.
Batons are useless in a knife attack. You never, ever allow an armed suspect to get within baton use.
Mace is not dibilitating enough but pepper spray is.
You have a person that has made “homicidal” and “suicidal” statements. They are in a frame of mind that they want to die. That makes for a desperate person and makes for a very, very dangerous person to deal with.
Put your self in the Troopers shoes for a moment. Which move becomes the move that could end your life?
I’m pretty sure Troopers don’t carry tape measures either…
The officer askes the guy coming at him to hold the other end of the tape measure so he can get an accurate measurement…LOOL
lmao! I can see it now. Cop: “Hey hold this, while I see if it’s ok to shoot you”.
My husband carries a tazer but no baton. He was not issued one. He has used his tazer before on a gentleman that was very intoxicated and the tazer had little to no effect. Closest back up was 20 minutes away and he was put in the position of subduing the gentlemen in hand to hand combat style. If a person were threatening my husband with a deadly weapon I think I would prefer he use deadly force rather then hope the tazer works out. Officers must do what ever is necessary to come home at the end of their shift! They have mere seconds to make a life changing decision. I think I might opt to pull my gun rather then my tazer if someone had a knife and was headed my way.
Prayers to the trooper as I am sure this is not the way he wanted to end his shift! I am sure this must be very difficult for him and his family!
Why dont you show us how it is done and get back to us, you watch too many Chuck Norris movies.
maine is going downhill this week…burned car with dead bodies inside monday, this today…tomorrow probably something lepage and thursday probably another meaningless story about underage drinkers
Who shot the guy?
Edinburg was an officer involved shooting. Police tell us Trooper Chris Hashey shot Warren Dome, 54. Dome reportedly had a knife and made homicidal and suicidal threats. Via Carolyn Callahan; facebook
Thanks.
So what people think is that a guy was shot in a domestic dispute because a casino came to Bangor? Really…hmm The casino is the root to all problems? Man what happened to blaming it on plain ole bath salts? LOL!
The casino and those hippie concerts are the cause of all our problems.
wow you are dated… hippie concerts. as long as you dont put marilyn manson and the insane clown posse as a hippie concert…i wont mind.
groovy
What an old school remark.
Soooo, where does the “witness” fit in now? I am tired. Did I miss it in the story?
I thought police were trained to kill, fire at the torso. Hopefully he gets some training while on leave.
Double tap- sure cure! Now, after he sues the trooper, MSP, Gov Lepage, and Obama, he’ll have money to go the casino.
Police are trained to stop the threat. You try shooting at a man running at you with a knife and let me know how it works out for you.
I missed the part where the article said the man was running at the officer with a knife. Can you point out some evidence of that other than in your need to justify yet another police shooting?
It looks like suicide by cop works just fine in Maine. Make the call and they will come and shoot you.
Suicide by cop seems to work just fine in Maine even if you are not suicidal. I remember Katherine Hegarty.
Only if you’re threatening them with what is generally considered to be a dangerous weapon. What was the cop supposed to do- stomp his foot and say, “you stop that or you’ll go to bed without supper”?
well maybe they could use one of the other three weapons at the disposal? any cop you KNOWINGLY shoots a suicidal person who does NOT have a gun is no different than dr kevorkian
he tried to incapacitate the guy not kill him
That’s what Tasers are for. Other than that, they are told to shoot to kill.
I thought they were trained to use Tasers when they can! obviously this cop has a scrotum fixation.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!
WOW a cop who shot a suicidal man without killing him. Give that cop a medal. they will probably fire him now.
I know but according to WABI he got shot in the “scrotum”. YIKES! Death may have been better. Hope they have great surgeons at EMMC. Kinda reminds you of the old James Brown song ” Papa’s Got a Brand New Bag”….
And the Lithuanian judge gives Steve63_10 a 9.9! And now the guy will be processed under the penal code.
Thats gotta hurt! Stop a man in his tracks I would imagine.
Good argument for tighty whiteys
John Bobbit’s doctor has been notified and is on his way….
had to reread this i see nothing about casinos at all in this article no one is to blame for anything except the person who started the trouble he’s old enough has a mind of his own why should anyone or anything else be blamed
Great pictures.
this cop aimed to incapacitate not to kill
More likely the cop aimed to go home alive to his family at the end of his shift. All the self righteous blowhards on here criticizing law enforcement probably don’t have family who have served in that capacity. Police are trained to stop the threat – it’s not a cute little range practice when someone is attacking you with a knife or gun
I agree with you; no one should second guess this officer.
However, I do have great empathy, for those suffering with mental disorders. Many of them have served their country and have come home with PTSD. Having a psychotic break should not be a death sentence. I believe the police need to update their training to find a better way to deal with ‘suicide by cop’ scenarios.
I have watched Trooper Hashey deal with families in grief, psychotic drivers, belligerent drunks, etc…and he is the true professional.
Troopers are taught to shoot to end the threat and I suspect that the Trooper may not have had more than a fraction of a second to shoot and when he did it was a “snap shot”. In other words, get the shot or shots off in an attempt to defend yourself and maybe one or more rounds will hit the target. If nothing else, the fact that you fired may give pause to the attacker. Either way the Trooper just might gain the advantage.
In this case maybe both parties win. The Trooper gets to go home and not to the morgue and the suspect lives another day even when that was not his stated intent.
it just breaks my heart. I can’t imagine what that Trooper sees every day, without a doubt this was the most positive possible outcome.
take care jd. thank you for remaining an advocate for facts and reason in this public forum.
I concur 110% jd2008jd, Trooper Hashey is a professional in every sense of the word. Very fair to everyone.
Well said. I know many Troopers, as I am sure you do as well, and they all handle themselves with the greatest professionalism. I agree this guy got lucky no matter where he got shot. This guy has a history with LE and my bet is he came at Trooper Hashey pretty fast and serious in order for Chris to pull his weapon and discharge it. Chris is obviously a sharp guy and wouldn’t do that unless he had to given all the circumstances. This guy is very, very lucky to be alive. I am glad Trooper Hashey is safe, he is a great Trooper.
I feel for those with PTSD as well and I am honestly surprised more law enforcement officers aren’t diagnosed with it. The stuff they see here on the homeland is terrible enough.
yes, yes, and in our service :(
Thats what tasers are for don’t the state police have them
now that’s a valid point… where are the tasers.
Simple answer no
Cant use a taser because people will whine about that too.
When an officer goes to a situation, most times they dont know who the person is or what their background is. wether he served his country or not is not a question a police officer will ask in the heat of a confrontation.
Youd think if a guy called up the police station making drunken threats, the least the cops could do is 10 minutes of background research before they go to his house to shoot him.
But he did kill………the dudes sex life !
Bringing a knife to a gunfight. I’m telling ya, its something in the water……Just to many people as of late, snappin.
Actually, he didn’t bring a knife to a gun fight as he didn’t go anywhere.
It will be interesting to see if the video was rolling…
Nice job Hashinator !
If he pulls through maybe he will have a bit calmer demeanor.
this man probably never gambled in his life. his problem was drinking
With the number of incidents Trooper Hashey has personally been involved in, it’s certainly testimony of his training and self restraint that he hasn’t been in a “officer involved shooting” sooner. Unfortunately, as the number of incidents increase, the odds of him being faced with this decision decrease. Sooner or later he was destined to be faced with this life altering decision. There is no doubt in my mind that he was justified in the use of deadly force
Except so far, it’s not deadly force. He’s at EMMC in serious but stable condition.
Looks like Trooper Hashey won’t be driving the state police Mustang GT for awhile harassing guys and trying to pick up girls.
Typical dude in a “nice” car scenario. If he is really interested in the chicks he should take his blue suit off.
It’s unfortunate that Trooper Hashey was faced with this decision, but I applaud all Law Enforcement who are putting their lives on the line day in and day out to protect the people of Maine. Thank you for your service. In a case like this you do what you must do to survive the confrontation, and if the subject continues to advance with a weapon, then you have to defend yourself. Best Wishes Trooper Hashey.
As for the subject, who likely will survive, take this second chance at life and straighten out your act. I’m sure you have something better to offer the world than OUI’s and attempted “suicide by cop”! You have a choice to change your direction, which is not something everyone who gets in this kind of mess is able to do, since usually the bullet kills.
Unless you are putting your life on the line every time you go to work to keep others safe keep your judgmental comments and jokes to yourself. You’re just showing your lack of intelligence.
Have some humor my3brats! They were making light of the story – there were no insults, just being funny. Chill a bit!
Seriously?! Where do you find the humor in a situation like this? Once again, lack of intelligence.
Humor can be found in any situation. Im a rather intelligent, I can find humor in just about anything. Apparently he was shot in the bag. Thats kinda funny…. And, the funny bone is not in the brain. Humor and intellect are not related. At all. Try again.
And, as an aside, and replying to your original comment, are you putting your life on the line everyday to keep people safe? No? Then, you are also just showing your lack of intelligence by claiming to have insight into a situation you know nothing about.
Apparently, I have to wait for a moderator to approve my comments now. What in the world? I don’t swear, or insult people, so why am I being sensored?!
First, how do you know I don’t put my life on the line? Do you know me? NOPE!! Second, if you’re so intelligent why don’t you go back and proofread what you wrote. Third, I suppose you find humor in Reverand Carlson’s molestation of several children as well.
The officer only had to reasonably believe deadly force
or serious bodily injury was imminent that coupled with a split second decision
will justify the use of deadly force.
Wow, really wow. I didn’t know we had so many experts in law enforcement in this state. I will really sleep much better now. Mace will only slow someone down and not stop them, not all police carries a tazzer and would you bring a batton to a knife fight.
WAKE UP PEOPLE….STOP JUDGING
Apparently you have never been maced before or seen anyone be maced. It does a whole lot more then only slow someone down, its puts them down 9 times out of 10.
And, having a fair bit of martial arts and combatives training, yes, I would bring a baton to a knife fight. It has reach and can be wielded just a quickly as a knife in skilled hands. It is also just as effective, as you can easily dispatch a person with one strike. Not to mention, it can be used defensively with success and police officers wear kevlar under their uniforms, which likely have stab resistant inserts. Sadly, I assume they lack finesse and training with this weapon. Its a crude descendant of many weapons used through-out history in war and combat. The european Mace and asian Jutte, for example. There exists many a period book written on combat styles and methods for use with all sorts of historical weapons, clubs, maces and truncheon’s included. But, they don’t bother with that. Who cares that people have been using this style of weapon since as long as people have existed and thus there is clearly well establish techniques and methods to using them and dealing with attackers? Who cares about proper training with all the weapons at ones disposal, if you have a gun? Could save a bunch of money if they just did away with the other tools they give officers. They hardly ever use them. They default to the gun because thats all they know and they are lead to believe it is the only answer when serious injury is possible… As someone who has done SCA combat and live steel armored combat, I know pretty well about fighting with weapons and I can tell you, if someone comes at me with a parrying dagger an I have a mace, Id feel pretty comfortable, wearing plate armor or otherwise. But, of course, mentality and training comes into play. Ive trained to use all sorts of weapons, in period correct ways. I also know a fair bit about guns, coming from a family of woodsmen and having owned many guns of all sorts. I can say with confidence a gun is not always required. Its basically massive ignorance, fear and brainwashing that perpetuates the idea that a gun is the only viable option when faced by an armed attacker. That simply is not the case. At all.
“Well, Mr. Cop, here’s a huge flashlight club, an actual club, pepper spray and a gun. Now, go get out on the firing range and get that trigger finger warmed up.”
can i like more than once
Mr. Dome invited this situation. He needs to grow up, get his mental stability under control & stop creating problems for himself & embarrassing his family. 54 years old!!
I hope Mr Dome gets to spend sometime in a psych facility after he recovers from his wounds. This really does sound like a case of attempted suicide by cop. Having known someone who tried this more than once, I believe cops see this so much more than we ever read about.
This officer did not know this man or how far he might go, and I applaud his restraint in only trying to bring the guy down. This outcome should have been so much worse all the way around.
My prayers for Dome’s complete recovery and that he gets the help he so desperately needs. My prayers for the officer involved. It has to be a horrible decision to shoot another human being and under such circumstances. I, too, extend my gratitude to this officer and all LEOs for their service.
Im not really for cops shooting people, as there are other often means to defuse the situation. In this case, the suspect actually appears to have called the police barracks and made threats. So, what do the cops do? Drive right to his house. That’s brilliant. This guy says “Imma stab you” and they say “We’ll be right over!” Somehow, I think there might have been a better means to resolve this. What did they expect to happen when they showed up? He was probably just wasted and angry about something stupid. Should have just hung up the phone and let him sleep it off.
And, before people start saying: Well, its a good thing the cops showed up and shot him because he MIGHT have hurt someone….. Yeah, that MIGHT word is really easy to throw out there and based on the information he only intended to hurt himself. I suppose we’ll never know, because instead of blowing this off like the ravings of a drunk man, or enlisting the help of people trained in mental health issues, they decided to show up to his house and take the fight to him.
Hoah proactive law enforcement and taking everything way too seriously. Its not like the was holding anyone hostage. He called and made threats to the whole police station. What was he gonna do? Roll in there with his knife and start a war?
I would wonder if this man is a Vet. There are lots comming home with problems that the general public doesn’t understand yet.
I know first hand that he is a veteran and not in the best of health both psychologically and physically. Yet he was a threat to the latest Arnold Schwarzenegger. As I wrote earlier, a TRUE professional could have defused the situation without firing on an older man with a history of psychological and alcohol problems.
I have been involved in a situation similar when someone close was suffering a bout with PTSD. There was a standoff with state Police. Fortunately for us, the Trooper in charge was also a vet and defused the situation without anyone being hurt. I will always be grateful to him for what he did. Too bad this situation wasn’t handled by someone like Trooper Marc Barney. I know the results would have been different. Our vets deserve better.
Sounds like a close call for this officer………………..thanks for all you do sir!
While holding a knife in his hands Mr. Dome say’s to officer Hashey”Mine is BIGGER copper.”
Officer Hashey then unholsters his sidearm, and within flash of a eye discharges a round into Mr. Dome’s groin. With Officer Hashey now sporting a smirk under his stetson he replies to Mr. Dome “I would care to differ stumpy.”
Um…why couldn’t the cop have used pepper spray or a taser or a number of other methods to subdue the “danger”? I wasn’t there and I have not read the report (which will be sanitized and spun, no doubt) but….a true professional would NOT have had to shoot. If nothing else, retreat and have the disturbed man contained in the house. Call in a psychologist or whatever but SHOT him? Please.
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It is amazing how people can sit there and make comments about how police shoul use tazers or OC spray to disarm subjects with DEADLY weapons, how they are just bullies ect. Bottom line you meat force with equal or slightly greater force. have anyone of you had to disarm a subject having a homicidal episode with a knife? some one can close 30 feet and stab you (anywhere to include the neck) in much less time than it takes to draw and fire a weapon. They have only a fraction of a second to make a disicion which you people have had days to do.
So while you sit there and judge. there are police officers out there dealing with the problems you fear. Running toward danger as you runn away. Thier families afraid to answer the phone or open the door while they are at work afraid that it will be “the call” notifying them that thier loved one will never be coming home. thier child no longer can hug thier mother or father. Every time they put that uniform on they are a target.
Crime everywhere has increased and has bec ome more volitile. the police face thier fear and go forward to deal with the danger to make sure you are safe. they don’t know you. but they do it anyway at great risk. So go ahead and judge. go ahead and talk smack about how wrong they were and what they should have done. Then go put on a uniform and badge and do thier job. Only about 5 percent of people who begin a career in Law enforcement remain in that job after 10 years. Law Enforcement is not a job, it is not a career, it is a way of life. From the day you pin on that badge you loose some of your constitutional right you fight for. Freedom of speech, hindered, frredom of ssociation, hindered, freedom to pursue hapiness, hindered. They are held to a higher standard than the rest both on duty and off, yet they do this, all of this for you with out hesitation.
Trooper Hashey is a true profesional. I have seen him in action when the chips are down and he makes the right disicions. You all are lucky to be living in a state where you have so many men and women who are umong the best her to protect you.
To all law enforcement Who put thier lives on the line to protect the weak and inocent, who fight what everyone else fears, do deal with what everone else refuses to deal with, who work long hours away from thier family so everyone else can spend time with thiers worry free……I salute you !!! STAY SAFE!
It is a bit
disingenuous to attempt to build a “straw man” out of others’ comments to serve as
your soap box for how great the police are. The decision for the government to
shoot a man should be fully investigated each and every time. You write “Trooper Hashey is a true
profesional (sic). I have seen him in action when the chips are down and he
makes the right disicions (sic).” He is infallible? Look, we get it….you
like the police and, by and large, no one seems to be disputing that it is a
difficult and, on rare occasions, dangerous. However, history is replete with poor
police choices. Is the shooting of Mr. Dome one of them? We’ll have to wait and
see. Your “police are always right because they face danger” position
is not tenable and, to be candid, a bit embarrassing. Assuming you are
LOE-affiliated, you should welcome intense scrutiny of the decision to shoot
Mr. Dome rather than choosing a multitude of other options. Instead, you call
into question the motives of those who question the decision. Shame on you.
I never said police are always right. They just make the best possible choices for the information and time restraint give. they are not always the best choice, but maybe the best one at the time for those conditions. and for the scrutiny… well that is why the process is in place and the AG’s office investigates all police involved shootings and then the grand jury. what i am saying is people are making assumptions and jugements with out being educated to the facts of the incident, the knowlege of training, and the true dangers and situations of the job. Just get the facts. When deadly force is presented and threaten, deadly force is justified. Peperspray does not always work. every police officer is sprayed and has to fight through the effect. Tasers, only work about 40 percent of the time, cartridges fail probes dont hit or get ripped out and when a person is coming at you with deadly force there is usually not enough time to switch and therfore another police fatality. No police officer wants to shoot anyone. and because of that a lot of police officers are killed because they hesitate.
they are out there protecting your right to say what you want on here or anywhere. i would never infringe on that. I am just saying just put your self in thier shoes. educate your self before you make bashing statments.
And it is my right to call in the question of motives who question, just like it is theres to question.
You wrote:
“they are out there protecting your
right to say what you want on here or anywhere.”
I am not your psychologist
and I don’t know you from Adam **BUT** ….do you think you MIGHT have a slight bias relating to the power of the police? The police “protect” the
First Amendment? I guess the most twisted logic could be employed and it could be said that the police facilitate protesters who advocate unpopular positions or some such nonsense but….often the police are not advocating First Amendment
rights. An example, would you allow an uninvolved citizen to videotape you
arresting someone? Or would you, under the guise of “controlling the
scene” insist they stop recording? Rodney King was glad there was a camera
rolling. A quick search on youtube will reveal hundreds of policepersons
behaving poorly. I am thankful the good police do a good job (for which I pay)
and am fearful that the bad police decisions are swept under the rug by folks …well….
by folks like you, maintaining the Blue Code.
Engage in a little
introspection and I think you’ll see that there are DEFINITELY two sides to
this story…. your “Police have a tough job” stance,
notwithstanding. No one said it was an easy job. Nevertheless, the public
expects it to be done correctly.. Unfortunately, Mr. Dome will live with this
potentially poor police decision the remainder of his life.
You can have the
last word.
No I will have the last word!!…as a wife to a Police officer I Know the challenge’s they face each and everyday. I advise you to go on a ride-a-long with a Police Officer to regain a sense of “REALITY”,, you I’m afraid are perched high on a nest of glorious fantasy on what we all wish the world was like,, . I an armynurse/civilian nurse have seen first hand when it takes 6 medical personal to control one 100lb individual, nevermind when their charging at you intent to kill you, Again “REALITY” you do not have the time to look uo their medical history when seconds to react will determine whether you go home to your family or not,,, so unless you will like to be the individual who looks into my 5 year old son’s eye’s, and explains to him why he will never see his daddy again,,, …. because of someone else’s poor decision which caused this end result in the first place….,, i would be interesting to see how you would of reacted in the same situation, hopefully you don’t have a family to go home too…………..
Your emotionality is, perhaps, clouding your thinking. it certainly is making it difficult for you to articulate your thoughts. Take a deep breath and inform me, please, of how you know Mr. Dome was “charging at [the policeman] intent to kill [the policeman].” Thank you for your rational response.