DOVER-FOXCROFT, Maine — Maine Attorney General William J. Schneider has concluded that Maine State Police Trooper Jon Brown was justified in the shooting death of Michael Curtis on Nov. 29, 2011.

The report, released late Monday morning, related how Curtis drove that November day to Hilltop Manor in Dover-Foxcroft where shortly after 9 a.m. he shot to death his wife’s ex-husband, 53-year-old Udo Schneider. The report then focuses mostly on what happened after that shooting, when Curtis engaged in a standoff with police at the Piscataquis Valley Fairgrounds before he too was shot and killed.

Curtis, 46, left his Sangerville home shortly after 9 a.m. after getting into an argument with his wife, according to the document. He then confronted Schneider outside the assisted living home in Dover-Foxcroft where Curtis fired 12 times at Schneider with his .40-caliber Glock semiautomatic pistol in view of several of the victim’s co-workers.

One of the workers called 911 as Curtis left Hilltop Manor in his white Ford pickup.

Police officers from Dover-Foxcroft, Dexter, Milo, Brownville, the Piscataquis County Sheriff’s Office and the Maine State Police responded to the call, according to the report.

Dover-Foxcroft police Lt. Scott Arno spotted Curtis’ truck and followed it to the Piscataquis County Fairgrounds about 9:36 a.m.

At about 9:43 a.m., Maine Drug Enforcement Agent David Wilson also arrived at the fairgrounds and took position in an open-sided building more than 800 feet west of Curtis’ location. While looking through binoculars, he saw Curtis leaning against the back of the pickup while not wearing a shirt. Though Wilson personally knew Curtis, who was a Piscataquis County Sheriff’s Office dispatcher at the time, the MDEA agent did not recognize him.

At the time, according to the report, Curtis had a blood alcohol content of 0.216 percent.

About two minutes after he arrived at the fairgrounds, Wilson looked away to use his radio when he heard four gunshots coming from Curtis’ location. Wilson looked again through his binoculars and he saw that Curtis hadn’t moved and concluded that Curtis fired into the air, according to the report.

Trooper Brown, who had been in Ripley when he responded to the state police radio broadcast of the shooting at Hilltop Manor, arrived on scene at the fairgrounds at 9:53 a.m. At that point, Brown had only heard radio traffic from the state police broadcast and not any Piscataquis County Sheriff’s Department radio broadcast nor radio conversations among other responding officers, according to the attorney general’s report. Brown was not aware that Curtis was communicating with the Sheriff’s Department through a two-way radio on the fire frequency channel.

At the same time Brown arrived, Piscataquis County Sheriff John Goggin spoke to Curtis over the radio, asking him to drop his gun and telling Curtis that no one would hurt him.

Curtis acknowledged the announcement, but did not put down his weapon, according to the report. Despite dissent from other officers, Goggin started walking toward Curtis, who was about 800 feet away.

Brown, who had his service weapon and a rifle, was unaware of Curtis’ exact location when he arrived. Brown found Wilson and saw the other officers at the open-sided building containing farm machinery. Wilson concluded that these were all of the officers on scene, according to the report. Brown was unaware Sheriff Goggin had communicated with Curtis and was walking toward him.

Brown took a prone position on the ground near the building and told Curtis to “show your hands.” When Curtis failed to do so, Brown fired three rounds from his rifle at Curtis. All three rounds struck the pickup, but didn’t hit Curtis. After Brown’s first shot, Curtis fired one shot into the air and still did not put the gun down.

“Surprised by Trooper Brown’s action in firing the shots at Mr. Curtis, other officers in the open building next to him, including … Sheriff Goggin, admonished him for his actions,” the report states.

At that point, Brown learned that others were communicating with Curtis and that Goggin intended to walk out into the field to meet with Curtis.

As Goggin proceeded to walk toward Curtis, Brown yelled at the sheriff to “get out of the field.” Goggin ignored Brown’s warnings and continued walking toward Curtis.

As the sheriff closed the distance between himself and Curtis, Brown and Dexter police Sgt. Kevin Wintle, who is now Dexter’s police chief, moved to a better vantage point north of Curtis.

“When Trooper Brown found a spot where he had a closer and clearer view of Mr. Curtis, he aimed and fired one round at Mr. Curtis,” read the report. “At the time of the shot, Mr. Curtis was still armed and was looking in the direction of Sheriff Goggin, who was less than 150 feet from him.”

Brown was about 500 feet from Curtis when he fired the shot. Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Margaret Greenwald later concluded that the bullet entered the right posterior chest of Curtis and exited the left lateral chest.

Curtis was rushed to Mayo Regional Hospital in Dover-Foxcroft, where he died a short time later.

“Attorney General William. J. Schneider has concluded that at the time Trooper Brown fired the shot that resulted in Mr. Curtis’ death, it was reasonable for Trooper Brown to believe that deadly force was imminently threatened against Sheriff Goggin, if not others, and it was reasonable for Trooper Brown to believe that it was necessary for him to use deadly force to counter that imminent threat of deadly force,” the report states.

The report said Curtis’ Glock had a total capacity of 16 rounds. The investigation revealed that Curtis fired 12 rounds at Schneider. Another five shell casings were recovered at the fairgrounds.

“An examination of Mr. Curtis’ pistol after his death disclosed seven live rounds still in the weapon, indicating that Mr. Curtis reloaded the weapon between the time he shot and killed Mr. Schneider and the time he was shot and killed by Trooper Brown,” said the report, adding that several loose live .40 caliber bullets were found in the pickup.

Brown was placed on paid administrative leave after the shooting, which is standard procedure, according to Lt. Col. Raymond Bessette of the Maine State Police. The attorney general’s office investigates any circumstance in which a law enforcement officer uses deadly force.

Col. Robert Williams, chief of the Maine State Police, said Monday that Brown will return to active duty on Aug. 19. He said Brown violated a departmental policy, which prevents him from coming back sooner. Williams wouldn’t indicate what that policy was or if it relates to this case.

“That’s why he’s going to be out for a little longer,” said Williams.

Why Curtis killed Schneider in the first place remains under investigation. Williams said the Maine State Police Major Crimes Unit based in Bangor was compiling information to be sent to the Maine attorney general’s office for review.

Curtis and Schneider, who was born in Germany, worked together as bouncers at the Bear’s Den Tavern in Dover-Foxcroft, said Stephanie Boutilier, a friend of Schneider’s. They got along fine until Curtis got together with Schneider’s ex-wife, she said.

Although there had been no physical confrontation, the two had had arguments about how to raise Schneider’s children, said Boutilier.

Schneider had five children — two lived in Sangerville at the time of his death, while three lived in Germany. He also had eight grandchildren from his children in Germany.

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  1. That must be so nerve wracking for the officers waiting for the AG’s office to decide if it was a good shoot or not. Imagine sitting there waiting and wondering if you are a good cop or a murderer…

    1. I am sure the trooper knows in his heart if it was wrong or right. The AG just makes the legal decision. 

  2. It took this long to conclude? You would have thought the whole entire staff was working on the case. What does the public expect that the police will admit that they made a mistake, never going to happen as long as the blue wall exist.

      1. I hope you like living in a world where a uniform means you have the ability to take lives without fear of repercussions. Brown shot a surrended man in the back while the county sheriff was walking up to apprehend him. That is murder and only justified because the fox guards the hen house.

        1. Whose uniform are you referring to? Was Curtis wearing one when he murdered a man at work?

          4th paragraph, 3rd sentence – he was armed with a .40 caliber Glock. 

          1. I never defended Curtis. Read the AG report. The fact that it was justified is proof that the whole system is corrupt. 

          2. Or a trooper that arrives on scene, makes way too many assumptions, doesn’t have a clue as to what is going on or who is in charge, and starts shooting wildly. Brown gets told to stop shooting by the Sheriff that has Curtis surrendered and is going to apprehend Curtis and then Brown shoots Curtis again because he “didn’t know who the sheriff was.”

          3. You agree that you have no clue what you are talking about and have no ability to see the situation for what it is?

          4. I agree that I don’t want to catch whatever is altering your brain. A murderer who shoots in the presence of cops and won’t drop his weapon when ordered to do so is a menace. I won’t second guess the other officers who were there and didn’t fire – I wasn’t there. Likewise, I won’t second guess the officer who was there and felt he needed to fire. Anyone who can’t see that likely has an IQ hovering around room temperature.

          5. even though he was the obvious “known suspect” he still had the right to be proven guilty in the court of law. Trooper brown in this case played Judge, Jury, and with out a doubt executioner. It is a sad case from every vantage point.. :(

          6. In reading the AG Report, I have to say that had the Trooper initially known about existing conversations, there may have been a different outcome.  Although I am troubled by the fact that he later realized this was in fact the case, yet he still changed position to find a better shooting angle. I do not believe State Police have or monitor the Fire Frequency used in Piscataquis.  Everything boiled down to a lack of communication.  None of us know what went through Trooper Brown’s mind at the time of the shooting. Unless you have been in his position, I would suggest that you not condemn the man for making the ultimate decision.  There are many things be learned from this whole tragedy.  Perhaps one if the biggest lessons is that all agencies need to communicate or there will be more potential for future tragedies.

        2. Shot an unarmed man in the back? Where are you getting your information? Were you there? I have known both of these men for a lot of years. Until that day, there was nothing bad that I could say about either one of them. Mike made some horrible decisions and Jon had a split second choice to make. Until you have walked a mile in their shoes and know EXACTLY what was running through their minds at that very moment, please keep your judgments to yourself.  Both of their families have to see this stuff and your opinions (which yes, I will agree that you are entitled to) are not helping anyone.

          1. You didn’t read the AGs report because no where does it say that Curtis was “unarmed” nor does it say Curtis “surrendered”. Not sure what you read it wasn’t the AGs report. Curtis was still very much armed when Sheriff Goggins decided to walk across the field not once but twice. He never followed the requests of either Goggins or Curtis to drop the weapon.

  3. what that make 57 justified shootings in Maine by the blue, none found
    unjustified seems odd that in the last 60 plus years cops have never
    made a mistake,  but yet we have had 2 busted in the last 3 months for
    being drunk while driving.   So they make mistakes that will cost them
    their jobs but never one that will cost the state a lawsuit,   seems
    quite strange to me.    

    P.S. not defending the fact he killed someone one in advance of being
    shot jsut find it funny how many officers never make a mistake when
    discharging their firearm but DRINKING, SEXING, FACE BOOKING, AND
    ARGUING WITH JUDGES  THEY DO. 

  4. This whole thing was sad. I would like to think that if it was me i would have the guts to do what that officer had to do. I feel for the familys of the dead and the officer family to . May they rest in peace and may the officer rest easyer now. 

  5. Just food for thought, there were over 10 officers from
    various departments on scene, can anyone articulate to me why they chose not to
    use deadly force but Trp. Brown did, on two separate occasions!!! He missed the
    first time and repositioned for the final shot. Either he is a hero and the
    other cops at the scene should have their badges taken or there is something
    seriously amiss here. This has to be one of the most ludicrous reports ever
    issued by the A.G.’s office. Thank god Mr. Schneider career in politics is
    short lived, he has exposed himself for what he really is with this bizarre
    report. I know those in the law enforcement community are scratching their
    heads also, very weird.  Please note page
    3 of the A.G.’s report where it states “Trooper Brown sought out the on-scene
    commander, who was later identified to him by Chief Emerson as MDEA Agent
    Wilson.  He asked Agent Wilson if the man
    next to the pickup truck was the suspect and if the suspect had fired at the
    officers at the fairgrounds”  In the
    report it never references what Agent Wilson told Trooper Brown, don’t you find
    that odd?  Wouldn’t it be relevant to
    place in the report exactly what Agent Wilson told Trooper Brown in response to
    his question??? Not one mention of it in the full report. This report is an
    embarrassment to the law enforcement community but is consistent with the
    shoddy work of the A.G.’s Office, please Mainers, don’t let this one go away so
    quietly.

    1. The whole report is suspect and I am glad to see my comments being censored so quickly. It really shows how ignorant people can be of the truth and how calmly they accept the lies fed to them.

    2. I guess you missed the part on page 1 that said,

      “Shortly after 9 a.m. on November 29, Curtis, a dispatcher for the Piscataquis County Sheriff’s Office, left his home in Sangerville after an argument with his wife and drove to the Hilltop Manor in Dover-Foxcroft where his wife’s ex-husband, Udo Schneider, was working with others outside the facility. Upon arrival, Mr. Curtis confronted Mr. Schneider in the presence of other workers and shot and killed him.”

      or the part on page 4 that said,

      “Investigation at the Hilltop Manor disclosed that Mr. Curtis had fired 12 rounds at Mr. Schneider. Investigation at the fairgrounds resulted in the recovery near where Mr. Curtis had been standing of five spent .40 caliber casings, accounting for the four shots heard by Agent Wilson and the single shot discharged by Mr. Curtis at the time Trooper Brown initially shot at him.”

      or,

      “Mr. Curtis’ blood-alcohol content (BAC) at the time of his death was 0.216%.”

      Side Note: What does a BAC of 0.215 look like? Ataxia (lack of voluntary coordination of muscle movements), agraphia (inability to write), apraxia (unable to perform tasks or movements when asked). Coordination severely affected. Loss of orientation. Emotional instability. Balance disturbances. Apathy and emotional eruptions. Numbness and slowed reaction to pain stimuli. Partial amnesia.

      Now shooting a person once is really, really bad but shooting at a person 12 times is beyond the pale. It is indicative of extreme hate. Couple his emotional state with his level of inebriation (which would not be known by any officer at the fairgrounds) and the results are what happened that morning.

      Now, having said the above and after reading the report I found two errors that occured that morning. The first mistake or error was the failure of the on scene commander to establish a perimeter to prevent Curtis from leaving the fairgrounds. The second mistake or error was the failure to establish a clear chain of command and clarifying who was in charge at the fairground. This failure or error lead to the Sheriff deciding to “freelance” and go outside the wishes of the other officers on the scene including the “scene commander”. That lead to Trooper Brown making the decision to fire the fatal shot.

      1. JD, I understand your position, what are you thoughts as to why the other officer’s at the scene did not view Curtis’ behavior at the fairgrounds as warranting the use of deadly force??? Not one officer at the scene discharged their weapons other than Trooper Brown.  If Trooper Brown made the right decesion can we come to the conclusion that all the other officer’s were incompetent and didn’t understand their legal responsiblities to “protect” Sheriff Googins as stated by the report???  Just something for you to consider.

        1. I am going to make an attempt to answer your questions. I will state that the AGs report will yield limited information as its focus is only on the question of deadly force justification.

          “what are you thoughts as to why the other officer’s at the scene did
          not view Curtis’ behavior at the fairgrounds as warranting the use of
          deadly force?

          Prior to Trooper Brown’s arrival you had a Maine DEA Agent (scene commander?) and Lt. Arno, Chief Dennis Dyer, Sheriff John Goggin, Chief Deputy Dale Clukey, and Deputy James Kane. That is a nightmare for establishing command. You had the senior law enforcement officer and his Chief Deputy from the County, the Police Chief for the department where the shooting occurred a Lieutenant, a county Deputy and a Maine DEA Agent and the Maine DEA Agent assumed command? I would love to have been a fly on the wall to listen to the conversations concerning who was going to take command. One question that wasn’t answered in the report (and it wouldn’t be addressed in this report) was were the officers present prior to Trooper Brown’s arrival more focused on who was in charge then what the suspect was doing?
          ~~~~~
          “If Trooper Brown made the right decesion can we come to the conclusion
          that all the other officer’s were incompetent and didn’t understand
          their legal responsiblities to “protect” Sheriff Googins as stated by
          the report???”

          No, but we can come to the understanding that there was a failure in establishing command and following protocol by having one person in charge and one person calling the shots (figuratively not literally). That may account for the “freelancing” of the Sheriff against the other officers expressed desires.
          ~~~~~
          Am I right? I don’t know as I wasn’t there and this reports focus is on the deadly force justification. Not how the incident command was handled or contributed to who the incident unfolded.

        2. The truth is that 50% of cops in Maine will never pull the trigger even if they are about to die.  25% are unprepared for the encounter when they should have been.  25% do what they need to and are ready for it when it happens.

      2. For the record I’m not condoning the murder of the victim, that is something that Curtis should have been held accountable for.  Please keep in mind that you bring up the issue that he killed Mr. Schneider in the presense of other co-workers and he shot him 12 times indicating extreme hate, I concur with that.  Conversely his hatred at that moment was directed towards the victim and not towards others that he easily could have killed before fleeing the scene.  Further, what is the point of negotiating with anyone who committs murder from this point on???  Many times police negotiate, hence the Tactical Team and Crisis Negotiators, and a murderer is brought into custody and made to stand trial, that is how our system works.  From this point on if the police respond to a barracaded felon who has fired shots, why not just light the house up till the suspect is killed????  Why negotiate, the person inside has fired shots and isn’t that in and of itself enough to warrant deadly force without any attempts to end the situation without further death?  Googins made a bad decesion, I have no issues with Brown or any other cop taking out Curtis if he made any threatening motions towards Googins but he did not!!!  If Googins felt that Curtis had done so I’m convinced he would have retreated to cover after Brown took the first 3 shots and missed.  Please not JD that there isn’t one mention in the report that Curtis pointed his pistol at any of the police officers, even after Brown attempted to shoot him the first time.  Could that be why the other 9 or so cops did not discharge their weapons during this standoff???

        1. OK so we agree on a point or two.

          “Further, what is the point of negotiating with anyone who committs murder from this point on???”

          It is pretty much standard procedure to call for the Tactical Team and Crisis Negotiators in cases like this. You start them early because they take time to get there and you can always turn them around if you don’t need them.
          ~~~~~
          “Many times police negotiate, hence the Tactical Team and Crisis Negotiators, and a murderer is brought into custody and made to stand trial, that is how our system works.  From this point on if the police respond to a barracaded felon who has fired shots, why not just light the house up till the suspect is killed????

          Since I wasn’t there it is difficult to answer this question. Please keep in mind that Curtis fired 4 shots “into the air” according to the Maine DEA Agent that heard but did not see him fire. So we don’t know what he fired at, if anything.
          ~~~~~
          “Why negotiate, the person inside has fired shots and isn’t that in and of itself enough to warrant deadly force without any attempts to end the situation without further death?”

          Because it is always better to negotiate. Some will argue that point but it is always better to end anything peacefully and without violence.
          ~~~~~
          “Googins made a bad decesion, I have no issues with Brown or any other cop taking out Curtis if he made any threatening motions towards Googins but he did not!!!  If Googins felt that Curtis had done so I’m convinced he would have retreated to cover after Brown took the first 3 shots and missed.”

          One thing we don’t have is where the different officers were in relation to Curtis. That would be helpful. It sounds like they were all clustered in one are with the exception of Trooper Brown and the other officer. I have no idea what anyone saw or where they saw it from.
          ~~~~~
          “Please not JD that there isn’t one mention in the report that Curtis pointed his pistol at any of the police officers, even after Brown attempted to shoot him the first time.  Could that be why the other 9 or so cops did not discharge their weapons during this standoff???”

          Understand that it is not a requirement for a suspect to point or raise a weapon to justify the use of deadly force. Only the threat of deadly force is necessary and if Trooper Brown felt that the Sheriff’s life was in immanent danger from his vantage point use of deadly force is justified.

      3. You are making the mistake of assuming that Brown’s wrong assumptions are true. There was command of the scene and a perimeter was made. Brown did not follow incident command protocol and was ignorant of the situation from arrival.

        1. “You are making the mistake of assuming that Brown’s wrong assumptions
          are true.”

          No I read the report.
          ~~~~~
          “There was command of the scene and a perimeter was made.”

          Page 2 – “He also learned from a State Police broadcast that officers at the scene were having difficulty managing the scene because of the number of additional responding officers…”

          Page 3 – After Trooper Brown’s arrival, “Based on previous radio traffic, Trooper Brown anticipated but did not observe a significant law enforcement presence at the fairgrounds nor did he observe what he anticipated to be evidence of officers deployed around the vehicle in a “perimeter” fashion intended to preclude possible further flight.”

          Also Page 3 – “While speaking with Agent Wilson, Trooper Brown observed other officers taking cover inside an open-sided building containing farm machinery. Based on these observations and the radio traffic that he received from the State Police dispatcher in Orono, Trooper Brown concluded that the officers he saw in the open-sided building were the total complement of officers on scene and that no perimeter had been established by law enforcement.”

          Doesn’t sound like much of a perimeter and ICS (Incident Command System) most certainly was not followed in this case. If it was the Sheriff would have deferred his “freelancing” as the other officers requested.
          ~~~~~
          “Brown did not follow incident command protocol and was ignorant of the
          situation from arrival.”

          Page 2 – “The source of all of Trooper Brown’s information until his arrival at the fairgrounds was State Police dispatch in Orono. Trooper Brown was unable to monitor broadcasts by the Piscataquis County Sheriff’s Office or monitor radio conversations among other responding officers.”

          Page 3 – “Trooper Brown sought out the on-scene commander, who was identified to him by Chief Emerson as MDEA Agent Wilson. He asked Agent Wilson if the man next to the pickup truck was the suspect and if the suspect had fired at the officers at the fairgrounds.”
          ~~~~~
          Either you haven’t read the report, do not believe it or have an axe to grind. Not sure which and it really doesn’t matter to me which one or combination of more than one it is.

          1. You are glossing right over the words you are pasting. Brown assumes and concludes that there is no perimeter, assumes there is no one in charge, assumes that just because he has no communication that there is no communication, and assumes that the person that yelled at him for shooting and then walked towards the suspect to apprehend him is in jeopardy meanwhile Curtis had surrendered. 

            Brown was disciplined for his actions on that day which is why he is on suspension still. The thin blue line and all that protects him from the truth that it was murder through and through, but internally it was not a clean shoot.

          2. I am “assuming”? Really.

            Did you read the report because what you say are assumptions on my part are there in black and white.

            There was no “perimeter”. According to the report there were approximately 6 officers at the fairground all in one area. How is that a “perimeter”?

            He met with the person “in charge”.

            He was in constant communication with his barracks. He had a conversation with the Maine DEA Agent in charge.

            Where do you get the opinion Curtis had surrendered? Where you there?
            ~~~~~
            “Brown was disciplined for his actions on that day which is why he is on
            suspension still. The thin blue line and all that protects him from the
            truth that it was murder through and through, but internally it was not a
            clean shoot.”

            Really? “Brown was disciplined for his actions on that day which is why he is on suspension still.” You can provide the documentation for that allegation? Provide a link for the rest of us to go to? The reality is you are making an assumption (remember what you said I was doing) that it is related to the shooting and that he was disciplined for something he did or didn’t do that day.

            From the article, “Col. Robert Williams, chief of the Maine State Police, said Monday that Brown will return to active duty on Aug. 19. He said Brown violated a departmental policy, which prevents him from coming back sooner. Williams wouldn’t indicate what that policy was or if it relates to this case.”

            The fact is you don’t have clue one why Trooper Brown will not return to
            work until August 19th and there is no way for you to know because it
            is a personal matter and protected.

          3. I do believe I said you are glossing and Brown was assuming. The whole report tells the story of Brown and his assumptions. The officer was wrong in his assumptions but because he is an officer he is afforded protection via the thing blue line garbage. If he acted on information he assumed he was wrong. Period. The AG can do the CYA thing and protect their own but the everyone knows it was a bad shoot and this is a BS ruling.

          4. Here are you words-

            “Brown assumes and concludes that there is no perimeter,”

            Six officers in one area is not a perimeter. Brown assumed nothing, there wasn’t one. The Sheriff will speak out if he disagrees with the report.
            ~~~~~
            Brown “assumes there is no one in charge,”

            He spoke with the person in charge.
            ~~~~~
            Brown “assumes that just because he has no communication that there is no communication,”

            Not even sure what you are talking about with this one. He was in constant communication with his barracks, spoke with the person in charge (who failed to tell him that about Goggins communication with Curtis).
            ~~~~
            Brown “assumes that the person that yelled at him for shooting and then walked towards the suspect to apprehend him is in jeopardy meanwhile Curtis had surrendered.”

            You ignore the fact that the Sheriff ignored the requests not to do what he decided to do (freelancing). Here is a assumption on my part….the Sheriff ignored the desire (order) of Command and proceeded not once but twice to walk across an open filed towards a still armed suspect that by the second trip had fired a total of 18 rounds form his Glock. Here is another assumption on my part, if Sheriff Goggins had remained in the open sided building and followed what command was telling him to do Curtis might still be alive today. But no, SHeriff Goggins had to the the “hero” and place himself in danger and THAT is what caused Trooper Brown to fire the fatal shot.
            ~~~~~
            Now here is where you make a claim that “Brown was disciplined for his actions on that day which is why he is
            on suspension still. The thin blue line and all that protects him from the truth that it was murder through and through, but internally it was not a clean” and I asked you nicely to provide the proof, the link that would show us what you claim to be a fact.

            Well I am still waiting for that link that would prove your assumption to be fact and not your opinion. Are you ready to admit that you cannot provide that link. that it is only your opinion and that it has no basis in fact?

          5. Brown saw 6 officers and assumed there was no perimeter, meanwhile there was more officers on scene and there was a perimeter.

            Brown never spoke with the man in charge. Brown assumed he had spoke to the man in charge. He did not however.

            Brown was in communication with Orono barracks and had no clue about communication on scene. Had he followed the incident chain of command he would have known about it and what was going on.

            Goggin did what he did, he is the sheriff and Curtis surrendered to him over the radio. Regardless, as the highest ranking person on scene that was his prerogative. 

            Obviously there is no public source over the reason why Brown is on suspension.

          6. So answer these questions

            How many officers aside from the 6 identified in the report were present and what departments were they from?

            If the Maine DEA Agent (as identified in the report) was not the on s end commander who was and what department were they from?

            When did Curtis put his Glock down? i.e. at what time.

            If you understand ICS, it is not always the highest ranking individual in charge. The Sheriff (an elected position) does not have the right under ICS to violate the chain of command.

            Why did Sheriff Goggins ignore the request of the other officers at the scene and start to walk across the open field? (this is while Curtis was still armed with the Glock).

            So you admit that you have nothing to show why Trooper Brown is not returning to work until the middle of August. Then why even make the claim that you did?

            It will be interesting to see if you will provide direct answers to these direct questions.

          7. The AG report does not list the officers on scene. There was officers from Dover PD, PCSO, Milo PD, and Brownville PD, as well as Dexter PD, and MSP. One officer from each department would equal six, however some departments had multiple officers, such as PCSO which had 4+ on scene and DFPD which had 3+ on scene and Dexter that had 2. Right there is 12+ officers. The report also says that Brown assumed there was no one in the log yard, but officers were directed there to establish a perimeter. 

            The on scene commander would have been either the Sheriff or Chief Dyer. They were both with each other and were in full knowledge of the situation on scene.

             Trooper Brown had fired on Curtis before he knew about any communication with Curtis, that Curtis had surrendered, and before he had any knowledge of the situation.

            Read between the lines, Brown was disciplined for his actions that day. It isn’t public but that is the truth. Sorry if you have to see a source on something that will never be made official.

          8. You didn’t answer the questions.

            The report lists departments on scene AND responding to the scene.

            I asked who was the on scene commander. You answer with it could have been this officer or that officer. That doesn’t answer the question.

            “Read between the lines”??? You admit you have no public documention and then say “read between the lines”???? Seriously????

          9. We must be reading different reports because it never lists all the officers on scene. It also never lists the commander on scene, just the person Chief Emerson thought was commander.

          10. Just because the report doesn’t mention it doesn’t mean it wasn’t one or the other.

          11. Maybe it will and maybe it will not.

            But what it will do is force all the officers to testify and we might learn what 6 officers were doing instead of setting up a proper perimeter, why Sheriff Goggin ignored the requests of fellow officer not to walk across the field, why weren’t incoming officers briefed with all the facts, etc….

          12. incoming officers should have followed proper procedures instead of making assumptions and popping off rounds

  6. Once Curtis committed the shooting of Schneider nothing good was going to come of it.  Look how many times he shot him.  Even if he was drunk, there is a major difference in firing one shot or 5 + at soemone.  Yes other police people were at the Fairgrounds, but I do believe Trooper Brown acted in some way of his police training and I do believe he has a  military background.  I don’t think us everyday citizens can justify saying he did right or wrong because we were not in his shoes/boots that day.

    1. I think that putting police officers on a pedestal and helping recreate a caste system that places “warriors” above citizens is dangerous. An officer should have to think and rethink and second guess themselves. They are a servant of the people, not a judge jury and executioner.

      1. And you think the don’t “think and rethink and second guess themselves”? What do you think they do?

        1. Obviously you are the cop crusader and they can do no wrong. Some of them set out from the get go to take a life for their own personal gain. Jon Brown was one of those.

          1. I am assuming you are white knighting the sociopath Jon Brown? No, no I am not. You are standing up to him quite obviously.

          2. Oh now he is a sociopath. What about Curtis that fired 15 .40 rounds from a Glock into an innocent person. Is that sociopathic behavior too? Curtis emptied the whole magazine into his victim in cold blood and used extreme prejudice in doing so. Should we make Curtis a saint!!!

          3. Curtis shot Udo 4 times. The other 8 rounds were into the ground to scare off the people around him so they wouldn’t get hurt. Curtis committed a crime of passion. Brown committed cold blooded murder.

          4. No Curtis committed a cold, calculated MURDER. The mear fact that you want to minimize what Crtis did with words like “crime of passion” is sickening.

          5. You don’t really know what a crime of passion is then. 

            “A crime of passion, or crime passionnel, in popular usage, refers to a crime in which the perpetrator commits a crime, especially assault, murder or rape, against someone because of sudden strong impulse such as sudden rage or heartbreak rather than as a premeditated crime.”

            This was not a premeditated murder. This was a drunken impulse basing from an argument with his wife. 

          6. The state of drunkenness can not be used as a defense. No one pried his mouth open and poured the alcohol down it. So forget about that as a mitigating circumstance.

            Let’s see “crime of passion” or cold, calculated murder?

            Curtis has a fight with his wife, gets his .40 Glock, more ammunition and magazines, drives from his home to his victims place of work, finds him, shoots him multiple times, scares off the co-workers, leaves him to die, drives to a fairground, fires 4 more rounds , claims he “doesn’t want to hurt anyone” and is shot dead.

            Crime of passion = heat of the moment. I.e, discovers his wife in bed with some one and kills the both then and there.

            Premeditated Murder = has a fight, retrieves his weapon, drives away, finds his victim and shots him.

            Nope pretty much a cold, calculated act of MURDER.

          7. I am having a hard time thinking you are not being purposefully obtuse. Your scenario is text book crime of passion.

          8. A crime of passion by definition must occur at the time of discovery. Any lag between time of discovery and time of act provides the suspect with time to reason and think through his actions. In this case he had plenty of time to think his actions through. That negates the “crime of passion” defense.

  7. between the time trooper brown made his first shots and repositioned himself, mr.curtis was unarmed and and sheriff goggin was talking to curtis. trooper brown acted on his own without any information from the people who had been on scene and handeling the situation. the fatal shots hit a man without a weapon within 10 feet of him

    1. Fred I would suggest that you read the report because nothing in your post is supported by it.

      1. The AG Report says Trooper Brown “enlisted the assistance” of  Sgt (now Chief) Kevin Wintle of the Dexter PD. Why was a State Trooper, with the assistance of a Penobscot County Town (Dexter) Sgt, “freelancing”?  Why did he feel the need to reposition himself after being “admonished” for initially firing his weapon?  I believe the Sheriff was one who “admonished” him as well.  Did he disobey an order from the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of Piscataquis County?  Is that why his return is delayed until August 19?  This AG Report generates more questions the more I read it.  Again, the breakdown of communication played a huge role in this.  I also believe, the more I read the AG Report and the comments here, that there were too many egos involved.

        1. Yes there are lots of questions and since I wasn’t there I cannot answer them all. But I can answer the question on who was in charge and who can issue orders and in both cases it wasn’t Sheriff Goggins. He wasn’t in charge and he wasn’t in command. According to the report that was the Maine DEA Agent and the Sheriff disregarded requests by the officers not to walk across the field. It’s in the report if you care to read it.

          I agree, based on the report there was a breakdown in the command structure. The Incident Command System only works iy you work within it and based on the report it sounds like more than one person was in charge. When that happens, people (responders, victims, suspects in this case and bystanders) are often injured or killed because of it.

          1.  I did read the report- please don’t be so condescending.  I usually agree with your well thought out posts but I can do without the tone that others may deserve.  The State Trooper disregarded the command structure and ventured off on his own with a Sgt from a different  town.  The Sheriff walked out onto the field “notwithstanding dissent from other officers.”  That means they disagreed with his decision to go to Mr Curtis- not they  requested he not go.  No one, especially his subordinates, is going to tell the Sheriff what to do- it is as simple as that.  Trooper Brown told the Sheriff to get off the field.  Again, the Sheriff is not going to pay heed to a Trooper.  The report states an MDEA Agent was indicated as being in charge to Trooper Brown- whether an MDEA Agent would be in charge or not is a moot point, since the report does not indicate what the MDEA Agent told Brown.  All it says is Brown made observations and made his decisions based on those observations.  He never got any orders.  He took position and fired 3 shots.  Even after being “admonished”  for firing by other officers, including the Sheriff, AND learning of communication with Curtis, he still took it upon himself to change position.  What’s worse is he took Sgt Wintle with him.  Why “enlist the help” of another officer, who happened to be a Sgt?  The more I read the more incensed I get.  A breakdown of communication and an over zealous Trooper.  As much as I hate to say this, I think the truth will come out in the pending civil suit.  jd, I hope you see it like I am starting to.  Letter of the law, the Trooper was right- BUT, had he taken the time to get all the information……

          2. If you thought my response was condescending I am sorry…

            I am not going to rehash information already posted.

            One of my problems is this….people seem to be losing site that Curtis murdered a man in cold blood. Shot him multiple times and left him to die. Fired multiple rounds at a nursing home of all places, Fired four rounds at the fairground without provocation. Refused an order to drop his weapon not just from Brown but from Sheriff Goggin.

            I have a lot more to say but you and others would not like it. So I am going to leave it at that.

          3. No, I am pretty sure I would agree with you.  On substance we agree- Curtis killed a man.  There is no denying that fact.  The fact that a Trooper acted unilaterally- or with assistance from a Dexter Sgt-  even after being admonished is where my trouble lies.  

    2. Thanks Fred.  I knew there was more to the story.  I admire Sheriff Goggin for trying to reach a peaceful end to the confrontation and carry Mike to trial instead of carrying him to his grave.  Let’s hope none of us have to be in the middle of such a tragic situation.  Prayers to both families.

  8. It is very strange how the SP never makes a mistake in a highly charged situation such as this……      While Curtis obviously needed to go to prison for his actions, wouldn’t it have been a good idea to let things settle out a bit on scene before firing, missing, and repositioning and firing again? I find it hard to believe that one of the officers in the lean-to/shelter didn’t tell the trooper that Curtis was a co-worker of many of them. That doesn’t diminish his actions at all but would’ve provided a lot of insight into his personality and obviously the sheriff felt comfortable enough to approach him armed or not. Many police stand-offs go for hours on end. Oh and by the way, I doubt any of the people on-scene knew his BAC. Pretty sure that just came out in the report. 

  9. the headline should read…man shoots innocent victim, trooper shoots murderer, saves taxpayers.

    1. That is not how the justice system works. If you want a system like that, I suggest going to a third world country.

      1. Well…in this case thats EXACTLY how the justice system worked…I like this way better.

        1. You like cold blooded murder over constitutional justice? You should go live in Iran or North Korea. You would fit right in.

          1. Use all the 5 dollar words you want…The man killed someone and was killed when he refused the order to drop his weapon and actually fired the weapon in the company of LEO’s. As far as your assumptions which are rampant and delusional throughout this entire thread..I wont comment on those. Have a pleasant day.

          2. Oh..and yes. Im a firm believer of the death penalty. Insert instances where innocent people have been put to death…but due to him shooting this man in front of many people I dont think that arguement holds any weight.

          3. I suppose you are a rabid supporter of christ and make it to church every sunday as well. congrats on being a hypocrite. 

          4. It’s really to bad that you are so focused on Curtis that you seem to have forgotten that an innocent person was gunned down in “cold blooded murder”.

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