HERMON, Maine — Katie Spencer’s long list of medical problems began when she was just 2½ months old. She was blind, the doctors informed her parents, Rita and John Spencer of Hermon.

Next came seizures, developmental delays and a devastating diagnosis. Katie suffered from a condition called septo-optic nerve dysplasia, a rare brain disorder that causes impaired vision, a host of intellectual and neurological problems, and hormone deficiencies.

Now 32, Katie’s diagnoses have grown over the years to include diabetes, Asperger’s syndrome, mild cerebral palsy and obsessive compulsive disorder. But it wasn’t until she started passing out that Rita and John finally decided Katie needed to move into a group home. Katie began losing consciousness without warning — at her day program, during swimming classes, at a dance, at home.

The episodes are sporadic. Some days Katie won’t pass out at all, on others she’ll faint three times.

“They’re frightening for everybody and a lot of people don’t want to take care of her because of them,” said Rita Spencer.

Katie’s doctors implanted a device in her chest to record the episodes in hopes of finding a cause, but Katie’s OCD drove her to open the incision with her fingers and dig it out. That led to a hospital stay for a nasty infection, one of many hospital visits over her lifetime.

“We’ve had many, many, many hospitalizations. Too many to count,” Rita said. “If she gets a cold or a flu it is life-threatening for her. Her blood pressure bottoms out and she goes into a comatoselike state.”

Seeking a home for Katie

Last November, Rita and John asked the Maine Department of Health and Human Services to place Katie in a group home. Her day program couldn’t handle Katie’s fainting episodes and her need for constant supervision, Rita said.

Rita’s job as an operating room scheduler at St. Joseph Hospital in Bangor and John’s work as a diesel engine designer and mechanic keep them away from home during the day, and Rita’s elderly mother, who also lives with them, is on oxygen and can’t help care for Katie.

Rita also recently was diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder and is taking chemotherapy drugs. She worries she’ll be too weak to care for her daughter.

DHHS, which is strapped for cash after recent rounds of budget cuts, denied the Spencers’ request for housing for Katie through MaineCare, the state’s Medicaid program.

More than 900 adults with intellectual disabilities and autism who need housing and other services are on a wait list that dates to 2008. Because there’s not enough money to accommodate the need, DHHS prioritizes cases based on each person’s medical and living situation.

A measure of reprieve came in the last legislative session. Lawmakers appropriated an additional $1 million toward services for those on the wait list, according to DHHS spokesman John Martins.

Katie qualifies medically for housing, but not as a top priority because she fails to meet a companion requirement: abuse, neglect or exploitation. Under state regulations, only individuals who are both medically needy and in a dangerous living situation can jump to the top of the wait list.

“It isn’t right. What does one even have to do with the other?” Rita said. “She was born with this disability and she’s had it all of her life.”

On the — long — waiting list

Katie was placed in the second priority group, meaning there are 220 people ahead of her waiting for services. With only a handful of people at most taken off the wait list each month, Rita’s doubtful Katie will ever be placed in a group home.

“She’ll be 60 years old, I’ll be dead and gone,” Rita said.

Ricker Hamilton, who heads the department’s Office of Adult Cognitive and Physical Disability Services, said DHHS is bound to follow state regulations governing the wait list.

“We have to follow that,” he said. “If we don’t, we’d have all these people in abusive situations who weren’t getting help,” he said.

But an advocate working with the Spencers said the state has clamped down on the wait list criteria after a restructuring of DHHS passed by the Legislature this spring.

Before the overhaul, regional DHHS staff met regularly to determine which cases were most urgent, according to Charles Shaffer, who works within DHHS’ Office of Advocacy, an independent agency whose work will be outsourced in August as a result of the restructuring. Individuals in urgent need of services could be bumped to the top of the wait list, regardless of their priority designation, if case managers and others familiar with their situation determined they were at risk, he said.

Some adults with intellectual disabilities were deemed top priority before the abuse, neglect and exploitation policy kicked in, Shaffer said. If those individuals were found to be in safe living situations, someone more in need could jump ahead of them in line, he said.

Now those decisions are being made to the letter of the law in DHHS’ central office in Augusta, he said.

“You have to have room for exceptions. That has been taken away … The decisions are not being made by clinicians, they’re being made by bureaucrats,” Shaffer said.

Shaffer also advocated for the family of Casey Burke in its battle with DHHS to find housing for their adult autistic son.

Hamilton countered that DHHS is following protocols that have been in place and approved by the federal Medicaid program for years.

“This has nothing to do with the restructuring,” he said. “The restructuring isn’t even in place yet.”

His office is working with providers, parents and guardians to find better ways to determine who’s most at risk and in need of services, Hamilton said. The abuse, neglect and exploitation requirement may not make the grade, he said.

“What we’re finding out now is maybe we need to change that,” Hamilton said.

It’s little consolation to Rita Spencer. Legislation to change the policy would take months, followed by a review by federal Medicaid officials.

No good options

Rita Spencer is appealing DHHS’ decision and argues that the department’s solution — to provide additional services before and after Katie’s day program — still leaves gaps in her care and puts Katie in the hands of staff who aren’t medically trained to handle her.

Katie takes 15 medications a day and needs daily hormone injections.

The Spencers have paid taxes in Maine their whole lives, Rita said, and Katie’s care was covered by their private insurance until Rita changed jobs several years ago and her new insurer refused add Katie to the policy.

Maine law allowed children to stay on their parents’ insurance plan until age 25, but Katie was too old.

Shaffer estimates it would cost the Spencers at least $200,000 a year to pay for Katie’s care out of pocket. Even rich families often can’t absorb the steep costs of round-the-clock care, he said.

“I have families making well into the six figures and they can’t afford to do it,” Shaffer said. “When their children grow up, they go on MaineCare.”

Parents’ income no longer is considered in determining MaineCare eligibility after their children become adults.

Now it’s fair that the state provide the housing their daughter needs, Rita said.

Two group homes in the Bangor area are willing to take Katie in, but Rita feels she essentially would have to abandon her daughter to fit the housing criteria. She’s still stinging from a phone call with a DHHS employee who pointed out that the state could step in if Katie wound up in a crisis center or homeless shelter, she said.

“I can’t do that, and they know it. They know we won’t do it. They know parents aren’t going to do that to their kids,” Rita said.

After years in her parents’ care, Katie’s ready to live more independently among her peers, her mother said. Rita and John are at the end of their rope.

“We need extra help and there’s nobody to help us,” she said.

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  1. It is a shame that these parents feel they have to abandon their own daughter in order to help her. This is crazy. Good luck to with your struggle.

  2. Yeah we don’t need nationalized healthcare in this country……$200,000 we all have that much chump change right?  Pffffffft.

    1.  So you think that nationalized healthcare would just magically make that $200,000 expense disappear? In this case, she’s already on government healthcare, and look what’s happening to her. How are people so delusional? It’s the COST of care, not the payer.

      1. And who exactly ‘sets’ the COST of the care?  Ever have a $110.00 aspirin at the local hospital?  Medical care is nothing more than a HUGE ripoff…the insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies as well as doctors are paid kickbacks (aka incentive pay) for prescribing specific drugs to patients, what insurance will pay for re: patients (how much), what insurance WON’T pay for patients etc, etc, etc …..google glaxosmithkline who just paid a 3 BILLION dollar fine or Pfiser who paid 2.3 BILLION dollar fine in 2009 for unethical practices…..No kidding it’s the COST because the COSTS are RIDICULOUS in this country.  Look at how national healthcare works in Europe or even Canada…..they’re systems are not perfect…..but they’re way better than what we have here in this country.

    2. The country is broke now & borrowing from China.  You really believe Obamacare is going to be cost efficient? Tell me something the government runs that is cost efficient? Medicare? Nope. Medicaid? Nope.  Post Office? Nope.

      1.  Sorry you’re wrong as usual.Medicare runs on a 3-4% overhead.Same for VA and people are happy with their care for the most part.What do you think Anthem runs as an overhead?$19.1M for an ins co. CEO in CT.Obamacare FORCED them to pay  4/5 of their premiums as care.

  3. The wait list talk is a bunch of crap…seriously look up who’s been placed on the waiver in the last year.  I know of a couple of individuals that were not medically involved (these persons are allowed to be left alone by themselves — but need supervison for some activities) — funny thing about the way the state pays for care is that someone that is taking care of a person that is  able to stay home alone for several hours at a time, needs no help with showering, dressing or any hygiene issues is being paid the same amount as someone that is taking care of a person with the conditions listed in this article.  Currently there is a one pay system (with about a buck a day medical add on if you have a folder of information proving it) — so of course homes are going to pick and chose who they care for — it is much cheaper to staff a home with all individuals that can do for themselves and can be left alone for hours.  But anyway they do not stick to that waiver procedure!

  4. I’m not really trying to offend anyone, just trying to bring attention to this situation. My question is where are all the sign carrying pro-lifers? Why aren’t they stepping up to the plate to help Katie?

    1. Pro-lifers only care about you if you are in utero…..once you are post that stage of development….it’s not their problem- it’s your problem to figure out.  Katie is not their concern- it’s her parents problem and God’s will.

    2.  Shame on you.  Pro-lifers DO step up to the plate everyday, many of them caring for their own family members (disabled and seniors).  Pro-lifers are those who care about both unborn and elderly and are often the most compassionate people. They are not the ones sticking surgical instruments into the brain of an unborn baby in order to abort it (that is part of the abortion procedure).  You should read the book, Glimpses of Heaven by Trudy Harris–a retired hospice nurse.  She is the picture of pro-lifers.

      1. I will then assume you have already called Katies mom and made arraingments to spend a few hours a week helping to take care of Katie. Now if all the pro-lifers would do the same then the problem is solved.

      2.  Don’t blind me with your halo there sister.The anti choice gang are thugs and murderers.

      3. Late term abortion are usually done if the mother’s life is in danger OR the fetus has a severe genetic abnormality not compatible with life. You really need to stop with the propaganda and realize women have a right to reproductive health.

    3. I totally agree with you! Those placard-carrying men and women who display the signs of aborted fetuses should step up and use their time to help Katy and her family.

    1. Everyone’s child is an exception. Tell the person that will be displaced on the waiting list that it’s fair.

      1. Someone with serious medical needs should trump someone who does not have as serious of needs.  There are many who do not have as serious of needs.

        1. But we don’t have their stories here. I’ll bet if we listened to their families tell theirn travails we would be more sympathetic. All of those people are on the list for multiple reasons.

          1. They may have multiple reasons, but health is considered a top priority in everyone’s life, and should be considered a top priority by the government as well.

    1. Other family members need to step in to help, too. I would never abandon my child to to welfare system and neither would my children’s siblings, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc. I would do the same for any extended family member of mine. I have a disabled young relative and I would step into the caregiver role in a heartbeat if anything happened to the parents. It’s despicable that people expect the government to take care of their relative when they should be caring for their own. Disabled people need their families taking care of them, not bureaucrats.

      1. What if the meds and care supplies added up to a couple of thousand dollars a month?  You still going to step up and do the” right thing”?

          1. Thank you HowdyNeighbor but you will never convince the “entitled” that there is great character in doing the right thing. Your life may be changed by the responsiblity you now own but at the end of the day it may be a more rewarding life.
            I too have a special needs adult in my family. His  parents live on one income and though they live meagerly they live lovingly as a family and I must say very happily.
            My this world has changed …..
            Thank you again for a wonderful post.

          2. How are you going to care for your child to the tune of 1000 dollars a month or more without leaving that child to go to work? It’s easy to say what others should do…..

      2. Who is to say that there is any other family out there to assist in Katie’s care?  If Katie’s mother is sick and her grandmother is sick, who is left to care for her?  It is so easy to judge something as an outsider, but try to walk a mile in the Spencer’s shoes.  They have been trying to take care of their daughter for 32 years, and if their health is detriorating why shouldn’t they look into options to make sure she is taken care of? 

      3. But what if you encountered the problem of loosing the day facility that was taking care of your child during the day and you still have to work because of the medical costs? Wha twould you do then?

        1. Like I said, other family members should step up to the plate and take turns with the caregiving instead of asking the government/taxpayers to do it for them. Families need to take care of their own; not expect the rest of us to do it.

        1. You see…that’s the entire argument. She DOES have family. Extended family members of disadvantage relatives think it’s not their job to help, assuming the government will step in and do it. That’s just plain wrong. Family needs to take care of family. That’s the way it was long ago and that’s the way it still should be. If the government did refuse to step in, you’d see a lot more family members stepping up to the plate to take care of their own.

      4. they are not abandoning her to the welfare system. She is too old to be on her parents insurance so how do you think she should be getting care? Should she find a full time job to support herself?! I am the least likely person to be a Maine care supporter but this women needs it. I know more then a few sitting at home on their butts that could be out working but no they have learned how to play the system. The system is so stupid that they will never catch on to the cheaters.

      5. It must be wonderful to have such a supportive family to help your disabled young relative.  I am curious though, does your relative have all the problems that Katie has?  Is he or she medically fragile like Katie also?  Do they require round-the-clock care?  Does their care total close to $200,000?  If so, how is your family paying for it?

        If not, I would love to hear your thoughts on how they should come up with the $200,000 a year for her medical care, without any help from the state. 

        I don’t understand how you can compare your own family to theirs.  Isn’t it pretty obvious, that if the grandmother is medically fragile and living with them, that most likely, there is no extended family to help out? 

        It would be wonderful to take the energy you have in all of your responses and focus on cutting the funds for those who use and abuse the system…rather than disabled people like Katie.

      6.  You obviously have a large family who can give time,etc..Not everyone is in that situation.

  5. This is an example of how budget cuts hurt real people. It’s cruel to expect this older mom who has health problems of her own to continue as her daughter’s caretaker. 

  6. Some day that could be you!  Don’t be so cold hearted!  A society that can’t take care of their sick and their old is a sick society.  I pray to God that you arn’t an indication of what this society is comming to.  Who do you think is going to help you if your house catches fire!  Your family?

    1. “What society is coming to” is folks who think the government should fix (and pay for) everything, including taking care of their children. Gimme gimme gimme. That’s what this country’s mentality is now. I’m sorry they have a disabled child but it’s their responsibility to care for that child. If they need help, they need to ask other family members, not strangers (taxpayers) for that help.

      1. This certainly appears to be a case of genuine need. Your lack of compassion is staggering.

        1. If a disabled person has family members (immediate or extended), THEY need to take care of that person, not the government. There is no lack of compassion. The fact that so many families drop the ball, hoping the government will take care of the problem, is why there are so many truly needy ALONE individuals who can’t get the care they need. If more families stepped in to take care of their own instead of wanting the government to do it, those with no family at all would get better care because there would be more money with which to care for them.

      2. Maybe we will remember you when you reach a place of need.  It won’t matter though.  There will be a whole bunch of people there to help you!  No questions asked, even though your parents didn’t raise you with a sense of community and compassion.  There are plenty who are there for their neighbors.  Keep your money.  see what it will buy you when you get down to the bottom line.

  7. So who on the waiting list should be pushed back to make room at the top, Im sure all of the familys of people on the list who have been waiting for years feel they deserve care also. there are only so many spots and so much money.

  8. Didn’t you read the entire article HowdyNeighbor? They have been taking care of their own, but they both need to work and the day facility doesn’t want to take care of Katie any longer because of her passing out spells. These are good, hardworking people that just want the best care for their ADULT daughter. How can anyone damn them for needing the help? You should be talking about all those other scumbags that live off the state and claim they are disabled when all they are are drug addicts. You should read the whole article first before you make this typw of statement.

    1. Her family members (all of them, not just her parents) should take turns if some of them have jobs to get to.

        1. Her mother works at a hospital, which is open 24 hours/day. She could work nights while her husband works days. They could take turns with caregiving. If their financial situation is really that dire, their daughter would be on MaineCare. They could have a nurse come to their home and care for her when there’s a gap in the parents being there for far cheaper than putting her in a special home. I don’t know why any parent would want their disabled child to live away from them unless they are simply tired of caring for her. They are physically able to care for her and they both have incomes. Why ask the government to do their job? When you have a child, you are supposed to take care of them. You’re not supposed to ask taxpayers to do so. Period.

          1. Her mother is an OR scheduler.  That is a day shift job, not a night shift job.  Did you read that she is having health issues as well?  Not sure how much medical experience you have, but chemotherapy drugs are heavy duty.  They do a lot of harm to your body.  That is part of the issue, she is starting to become unable to take care of her daughter.  She is becoming LESS physically able to care for herself.

            It would have been easier to just drop Katie off somewhere, abandon her and let the state take care of her.  In that case, the mother wouldn’t have had to work hard to fight and appeal her case.  If the issue was that she was just tired of caring for Katie, she would have placed her on the list a lot sooner, she could have easily.  But no, she waited until Katie was in her 30’s, as well as when Katie started having more medical issues.  Yeah, really sounds like she doesn’t care about her…

            For every assumption you make, there are most likely several reasons for the way things are and reasons why they have to do what they do.  This story does not tell all, it is just a glimpse into the issue. 

    2. yeah i think this howdy guy needs to shut up. he doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about. why doesn’t HE step in and help this family instead of degrading them because they asked for needed help. This family needs the help unlike the mother with 6 children that keeps popping out kids. i wish i could double like joy eatons post too 

  9. Why don’t you send in your tax money to pay Lepage’s kid then and I will send in my tax money to help Katie – kk thanks

  10. The State of Maine and Mainer’s need to stand by the disabled…. Help these people and fight the fight……   Plain and simple..   

  11. I work in a nursing home and have cared for many levels of patients. It’s very hard work. I wish you luck finding the right care for Katie. Have you tried a live-in care-taker? Might be a good option. Good luck and God Bless!

  12. These parents are two of the most wonderful and loving people anyone could ever meet. I hope for your sake that no one in your family ever needs the help of the healthcare system due to a traumatic injury, life threatening event, birth complication or just old age. You have no idea what you are talking about and until you walk a mile in the shoes of this family or any other family that is going through such a crisis you ned to thank whatever God you believe in that you or a family member are not facing such a dilemma.

    1. I’m sure they are nice people but if they want somebody else to take the time and effort to take care of their child, they should pay for it, not ask taxpayers to do so.

        1. On the contrary, I’m being level-headed. I think family needs to take care of their own. Period. I don’t ask people to take care of me or my family members (direct or extended) and others should not either. Nobody in my family is on public aid or getting food stamps or any help whatsoever…because we look out for each other. And, yes, there are two disabled ones in the group. If more families were like ours and didn’t depend on the government to take care of them, our economy wouldn’t be in the tank. If family members took in their own homeless, less people would need government housing. If family members fed their own hungry, less people would be on food stamps, etc. etc., etc.

          1. I am glad yours is the perfect Family. in reality most familes are off living their own lives and working to keep there own families going. yes families should take care of their own. in reality they dont, wont, or cant. They have their own bills to pay thier own lives to live. Let me ask would you quit your job and lose your house or vehicle to care for your disabled family member who requirs 24/7 care?

          2. Yes, I would. Only an extremely selfish person with an “entitled” attitude would not.

          3.   Typical TP attitude is that “I got mine Jack”I know several TPers.Without exception they are selfish,uneducated,materialistic and intolerant.

          4. you do realize that if you quit your job and lost your house and vehicle that then not only would the state be taking care of you, but your “disabled” family member as well. Does that sound cost effective to you? LOL   WOW……

          5. I was responsible and planned ahead to be in good enough financial shape to avoid the scenarios you mention above. You are apparently one of those people who would abandon a needy family member in order to keep your precious car, house, etc.

          6. actually we are on the verge of financial ruin because I AM staying home to care for a disabled family member. See my other posts in response to your ridiculous ranting and you may actually learn something

          7. I don’t believe for one second that you pay for medical insurance for  two adult disabled people in your extended family.

          8. Where did I ever say that on this forum? But, if I needed to, yes, I would. I would work 2 or 3 jobs if I needed to in order to care for a family member, even one who wasn’t part of my immediate family. The problem is other people (perhaps like you) think it’s someone else’s responsibility to care for their own family members.

          9. Sooooo your talking about doing something that you have never done, But you “would” do it. Ya ok – sure pal –

          10. I thought you worked 16 hours a day 6 days a week? How are you going to get a second / third job and take care of your relative who needs care 24/7.
            Do you have the medical training to provide specialized care or are you planing on locking them in the basement and heaving them a bowl of dog chow once a day?
            The problem with people like you is that you have never dealt with any of these issues and have no clue what it involves.
            So you run off at the bubble gum chewers spewing your condescending bull. 
            Having never dealt with any of these issues your opinion means ZERO.

          11. so what happens when medical insurance wipes out the families bank accounts? You do realize that insurance companies have deductibles, and have lifetime CAPS on what they will pay out? What happens when people like myself are forced to quit their full time jobs in order to care for their disabled family member? What happens when there is no more money to pay the bills because you have used it to pay medical bills? Sounds like you come from a “well to do” family with ALOT of extra money floating around to be so generous with. Most of us that face these circumstances are not quite so fortunate as you it seems. Good for you for being one of the lucky few.

          12. Caps are going away thanks to Obamacare.Not that the corrupt R’s like Nutting/McConnell wanted that.

          13. Suppose there was other family.  You are assuming that the dynamic of every family is the same.  I have cousins who I have not spoken to in years and I am quite certain that they would not come to my aid if I were in this situation.  In theory, yes, family should help out but let’s be real.  You simply cannot mandate family (immediate or extended) to help because they may not be in a position to.  They could live miles away or simply not have much of a relationship at all.  Try not to be so myopic in your point of view and show that you are somewhat human with an ounce of compassion.

      1. Do you do anything at all for your community?  Volunteer for anything? Or do you just take.

        1. Read my other comments. I volunteer and I donate. I don’t “take” from anyone. I work very hard to ensure my family is taken care of, now and in the future. It would be easy to sit at home and collect welfare and let the government take care of me and mine…but that’s just wrong. Unfortunately, most people feel they’re “entitled” to live on taxpayers’ money.

        1. Her parents are not indigent. They both have full-time jobs. They should take care of her at home and take turns. The mother works at a hospital, which is open 24 hours/day. She can work nights while the husband works days. Sell their house and move into a smaller one. Sell some of their belongings, use coupons…whatever it takes. Her parents aren’t disabled themselves so asking the government to take care of their own child is not fair to taxpayers. People need to take care of their own. Before you say they still can’t afford it, know that if that’s true, the government is already paying for part of her care (or perhaps all of it). The government doesn’t think she qualifies to live in a group home at taxpayers’ expense on top of that. I agree. I’m sorry they have a disabled child but that doesn’t entitle them to ask others to pay for their daughter’s expenses. If people can’t or don’t want to care for their own, they shoudn’t have children in the first place.

          1. How do you know what the mother can or can’t do?  As my previous comment states, OR schedulers have to work during the day.  Even if they sold all of their belongings and were coupon gurus, it would not be enough to cover medical costs and program costs for the years needed.  The mother has medical issues too!  Is she supposed to wait until she is completely debilitated before trying to find support for Katie?  How responsible is that…taking the chance of Katie not receiving the care that she needs?

            You may need to review this article again.  The government did not state that she did not qualify, they stated she was not a top priority, even though they agree that she has serious medical issues.  The issue at hand is that someone with disabilities must have a secondary factor of abuse or neglect to get top priority.  If the parents did not care about her, they could have neglected her or placed her somewhere.  She may have been in a home right now, and there would be no discussion taking place.

  13. seriously? We are not talking about a toddler that needs care a few days a week. This women needs specially trained people that know how to deal with her many conditions.

  14. Howdyneighbor- Have you been in their shoes?? That’s a very disgusting thing to say. You haven’t walked a day in their shoes until you do keep your ignorant comments to yourself!

  15. are you aware of how much that would cost to put her in a home and pay for all her meds out of pocket??? I bet they would be looking at 200,000 a month. Who has that? Without insurance people pay crazy fees

  16. More assistance would be available if welfare fraud, healthcare fraud & illegal immigration were eliminated. 

    1. Yes, lets go after them lazy illegal college students……oh wait, they did not find any fraud with them.

      1. Do you really think he was talking about college students?  He was talking about day laborers, undocumented workers…you know, illegal aliens?

          1. No, that makes you an American, do your ancestors have a history with this land that goes back 12,000 years ?

          2. The “native” Americans didn’t exactly sprout from the ground here…they immigrated by foot.

          3. Says a lot of science, actually.  Did the aboriginal people of North America evolve here in parallel to the rest of the world?

    2.  That’s a lie and you know if.If there were any fraud $$ recovered(Nutting)do you REALLY think the programs would see that money?WRONG!

    3.  You are just the kind of black and white, radio-clown informed,, non-thinker that the conservative movement prey’s upon.  Reminds me of a bee hive, in which drones play such a critical role in the survival of the hive.

  17. I’m all about the DHHS budget cuts for THOSE who do NOT need them!  This lady obviously is in serious need and I, and probably most of my fellow humans, would be happy working an extra hour for tax revenues to support someone in THIS situation.  There has to be a better plan that will cut off the food-stamping lazy folks who don’t want to work and want to be baby factories and give the benefits to ladies like this one instead!  There HAS to be.  Significantly losing faith in our state’s leadership.  Right ideas, wrong policies!

    1.  I really dislike the term “baby factories” because it is based off a false statement. According to statistics, it is NOT large families on welfare but families with one child.  People assume large families are living off welfare but this is not the case. It is the ones with less children and certainly THAT makes no sense.

      1.  What about a woman who couldn’t exercise her guaranteed right to choose?Now that kid costs us ALL money due to YOUR deciding what she can and can’t do.EVERYTHING is the fault of the anti choice clinic bombers.

      2. You know what? You’re right. I will change my statement to say “all these young girls who sleep with anyone that tickles their fancy on any given night and thinks nothing of using their body as a sex machine and producing babies that they can’t take care of…be it 1 baby, 2, 3 or more.”

  18. it is really amazing to see some of the hateful comments on here.  This is a young adult woman who clearly has a condition that against her will, makes her unable to function.  This isn`t some 30-year old gamer living in daddy`s basement faking Aspergers to get paid $600 a month to play World of Warcraft and drink Mountain Dew.

    I commend her parents for their labor of love.  I am sure her parents are exhausted after years of caring for her, and they want to make sure that she is in good hands before they themselves get to the point where they will be unable to deal with the physical labor of caring for her.

    Unfortunately, here in Maine, a big problem is welfare and Social Security fraud.  There are a lot of fraudulent claimants that could be eliminated just by having a social worker pay a surprise visit to the household.  The problem is that travel, clock hours, and legal fees would break the state.  Like the above example in the first paragraph, there are a lot of people out there that could be in the workforce, but choose to drink Big Brother`s Kool-Aid instead.

  19. So because they take good care of her, she is not deemed in immediate need of housing? Ridiculous!! :( 

      1.  He took money from the funds used for these programs to compensate for his inability to produce a correct budget.

  20. I’m betting that every person on that list needs the services. We can only do so much, and it breaks our hearts.

  21. We are facing the same situation with our soon to be 17 year old autistic son. I am filling out the paperwork soon that will add him to this “wait list”. As it stands right now, I had to give up my full time job with benefits in order to care for our teenage son with autism when he is not in school. The only program available to him  is day hab services with a one to one aide, but he only qualified for less than 10 hours a week. It is also stipulated that I cannot use that time to work outside the home. I now work a 20 hour a week” school calendar “job because the company that I had been working for full time decided to bend over backwards to help me out. As much as I am grateful to them for that, I am sad to say that we are not making enough financially to make ends meet. We are THE WORKING POOR.This is of no fault of our own as we just had a period of bad luck fall upon us. We are worried about what will become of our son once he graduates high school.He will not be able to drive. How will he find supportive employment? Will he ever be able to live independently like he WANTS to? In 2 years, I may have to quit my job completely in order to care for him if there are no services available for him.  Mainecare needs a complete overhaul, and the State “powers that be” need to open their eyes and see that they are facing a real crisis of epic proportions here. All of these ridiculous cuts that they are intending to make will surely save them money short term, but in the long run, they will be faced with the fallout of disabled and elderly people that will have no where else to go, and because they lack the support to live independently, will become more of an expense than if they were to receive support services they need NOW. You may want to remind the politicians that are running for public office that they can have fun balancing their budget now, because they are going to have a terrible time later dealing with the economic fallout of these short term savings. SHAMEFUL. ABSOLUTELY SHAMEFUL. What’s the motto? “Maine, the way life should be”? Oh my God, lets hope this is NOT how life is supposed to be.

    1. I am so sorry about your son and your situation. it is shameful that the people that really need the help can’t get it

    2. Mainemom I must say I understand your thoughts, feeling and yes anger at the broken system. I too feel the Spencer’s pain but not because I am the parent of a disabled child but I am that disabled child (fortunately physical disabilities but disabled none the less). I am now middle-aged but I have lived a long and happy life with many medical problems and bills. My parents worked hard and one worked days and one nights so I could get the care I needed at home. I had polio when I was 3 months old and never walked. This meant doctors, brace fittings, wheelchair fittings and too many surgeries to count to keep me as mobile as possible. I could have lived off my parents forever as they would have denied me nothing but their insurance company did as when I turned 18 they dumped me. So I had to either get State aid or find employment so off to work I went to find out insurance is hard to obtain with a pre-existing condition. However, from the time I was 18 I worked full-time as long as my body allowed and even worked more than 40 many weeks to accumulate SS payments as I knew someday I would have to rely on the State as when I was no longer able to work insurance would never be affordable or obtainable. Hence, part of the Spencer’s dilemma as she had changed jobs and her new employer refused to insure Katie. Since Katie can not get her own insurance the only choice is Mainecare which is totally appropriate. My parents whole life however they always worried who would take care of me when they were gone as they were always there if I needed them for anything. Your children however can not go out, work and be on their own and yes as hard working taxpayers you both deserve to know your children will be SAFE, SECURE and in most group settings thriving with others like them and form a small family type setting for them so when you all pass they will not be alone. I also know that small group homes help challenged individuals learn new skills from their peers, teach new skills to their peers and every person deserves to feel like they purpose on this Earth. To the State of Maine group homes are far cheaper to run than these disabled adults being placed in institutions. My parents have both now passed and I made sure they knew that I knew the sacrifices they made for me and it was an unconditional love. My heart feels the pain you are both feeling as the rude comments in this comment section regarding people wanting handouts and turning their backs on their children are totally out of line. What I want you and all to know is my respect for you knows no bounds as you have done everything in your power to keep your children safe, well cared for and I am sure every penny of any savings in the care of your children. Life says they will out live you and good for you to look to the future and get them to the best and safest situation you can find for them. As far as the broken system it needs some common sense and more but regardless of fraud, abuse or any other reason it still needs to work for those who it is intended for.  I too have started getting my medical services cut and I paid into this system (not by choice it seems the government took SS and Medicare) just like everyone else without a choice. To all of those who write in the comments and say they all know it is broken my advice is: if you know someone who is directly lying to achieve aid (federal or state aid) report them. Yes it costs to investigate fraud but everyone has a digital camera these days and if you see someone you personally know doing something they say they can’tthen  take a picture and mail to the Social Security Office  or DHHS with a name and address of offender. The law can’t see everywhere but tips may go a long way. I know mainemom and The Spencer family my words don’t solve the problems but I want you to know your children appreciate everything you do and will do for them whether they can express it or not. 
       As for me I have an impending shoulder surgery coming up and I sure do miss my mom.

      1. thank you for your kindness…your heartfelt words are very appreciated…and I wish you all of the best in the world.  I firmly believe that you Mom is still by your side in this world. A mothers love is forever. You are not alone,   God bless you and keep you safe, and happy.

        1. Yes maam she is. Your very welcome and thank you … My mom would say ” Keep the Faith.”

    3.  I wish you hope and will pray for you and your family .Look at the foster kids who “age out” of the system which has often failed them,just for one other example.I am happy to pay taxes to help my Maine neighbors like you-not so Paulie can get fatter.

  22. As someone who is familiar with this situation among family members, my recommendation would be for one of the parents to remain home or take on part time work.   Their daughter receives benefits most likely for her disabilities and this assists with financial needs to care for her.  Group homes can be wonderful but there is also risk of neglect, abuse and other factors when you place a child in the care of strangers (especially girls)– best to keep them home in their own comfortable environment.  They could ask for at-home nursing care.  The costs are usually less for in-home assistance. 

  23. HowdyNeighbor (glad he’s not mine) is just trying to incite and agitate.  No valuable insight to share but he/she/it is certainly generating some good conversation.   A country as wealthy as ours and we cannot provide basic housing and supports for our citizens with legitimate disablitlies?  How sad and embarassing!   Katie and her family are not asking for a handout.   As fellow citizens, neighbors and human beings, we all have a moral responsibility and obligation to help this family and others in similar situations. Kudos to the familty and Office of Advocacy!!!       

  24. Meanwhile Lauren LePage has a cushy life on the taxpayer’s dime.Talk about luck of the draw.
    Remember when Palin was bleating about disabled kids and death panels?Right.
    I wish Katie and her family success.What a hard road even with support.Prayers.

  25.  Do you get things like the child tax credit,mortgage interest loan or any of a million other things like that?Will you forgo SS/Medicare at retirement?Not likely.

    1. Deductions are not tax refunds; they are a reduction of your taxable income. Taking a tax deduction is not the same as using taxpayers’ dollars to feed and house your own family members. My future social security and medicare are funds I paid into the system that I deserve to get back. That money doesn’t belong to other tax payers. And, I have likely paid in far more than I’ll ever get back.

  26. Wait until Obamacare kicks in. This poor kid won’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell then. 

    1.  Actually there are several provisions of the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) that will help this family a great deal.

  27. Spencer family you fight because what you said on the tape is exactly correct. You have handled this as a family for 32 years and now you need help it is society;s responsibility to assist. Also please read my post below in reply to mainemom as I have addresses you in that post. I wish you luck and trust in that more and more families of disabled and us the disabled themselves are probably going to fight for our rights and we will never give up. I hope your health Mrs. Spencer gets better and it is obvious to me and most of Maine that your plate is full and overflowing. Best of luck.

  28. Choosing to have kids comes with risks and having kids with disabilities is one of those risks. Why am I expected to pay for their mistake? 

    1. Are you a troll? Why don’t you relocate to a desert island where you won’t have to be concerned with humans. 

    2.  Because you are not a completely heartless d*ck … oh wait…

      that appears to be an incorrect assumption.

  29. Wow. Looks like you didn’t read the article, which describes how hard her parents have always worked to care for their daughter.

    Looks like you saw that a disabled person needs help and that produced a knee-jerk response that always starts with the word “taxpayers.”

    And I’d venture to guess that you have never tried to care for a disabled adult on your own.

  30. Since Karen Smart (DHHS)  was exposed in the Ayla Reynolds case,   this Maine  DHHS system has been decidedly smirched…….clear the whole bunch out  (DHHS)  and get some decent folks in there…….just saying…….the voters out=number the establishment…..no more police state….done deal……kick some boot-tay…….NOW…….and protect our kids….100%……..

  31. DHHS does not care, there is no personal feelings for people in that medical condition, nor does the State of Maine give a plug nickel except to those who are fraudulently using State aid.

  32. Thank goodness I don’t have a neighbor like “Good Neighbor”. Why does the word oxymoron come to mind when I read “GoodNeighbor”??? In any event, we all know what they say about getting into a urinating contest with a skunk….

    My suggestion to people writing in is to forget/ignore GN’s comments and redirect the focus where it should be…back on DHS…. If enough public pressure is applied, positive outcome is possible.

    Best of luck to Mom & Dad!!

  33. As long as healthcare is a for profit business in this country we ALL will be faced with a crisis at some time in our lives. We are held hostage by insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies whose bottom line is making as much money as they can. For a country as great as ours not to have competent  national healthcare system is a travesty. By the way, I have many family members in Canada who would not trade their healthcare for the mess we have here no matter what propaganda the money makers want you to believe. 

      1. Well if that’s the case, let’s at least look at spending any of this or other tax money to maximum benefit.

      2. She is a 32 year old woman who is still living with her parents.  She deserves to be able to live if not alone then at least with her peers and have some semblance of independence.  Unless you have read her evaluations, please do not assume she needs one on one care 24/7.  She may do well in a group setting with a group of 2 or 3 clients assigned to one provider at the home.  If she does need a one on one, the group home can request an additional staff person from MaineCare. 

  34. No, her parents want her to be able to be able to have a life! What kind of life is it being locked up at home all of the time without any social interaction and nobody to relate to?! Who is going to care for her when the parents are too ill for it? The woman should be allowed to get the services she NEEDS. So since you don’t want taxpayers taking care of this woman we should stop having nursing homes as well right? Because it’s costing tax payers more money?

    Please get more informed of what our families go through in this situation. Imagine if it was your child.

  35. Tile of the story is misleading….. deny her housing?  Give her an apartment then… $20 grand a month 24/7 in home care

  36. You would be surprised at some of individuals who have full financial support from the government that came from that list…

  37. do you drive to work or the store? then you drive on roads funded by the taxpayer so there you go…if you buy milk or beef that has been funded by a subsidy the taxpayer. You have electricity so you are not “…off the grid…” so you use taxpayer money. 

    1. I never said I didn’t use taxpayer money and, believe me, I pay in plenty – more than I get back. I said I don’t ask taxpayers to pay for my family members’ housing and medical needs. I take care of my own, as should everybody else.

      1. You may pay in every year more then you get in a tax refund. This is a far cry from what you and your family cost taxpayers. Wait your going to tell us now that all the children in your family went to private schools and that you walked to work everyday.

        1. You are wrong. I pay in far more than the resources my family uses each year. We are forced to pay in so much because welfare cheats and people with an entitlement attitude pay in little to nothing.

          1. No I am not wrong – I doubt you even pay taxes.
            You run your mouth at the same time as you flag every comment that calls you out on it.
            People like you are all mouth zero action.

          2. That’s correct and that’s why people retire to Florida and spend their money there, contributing to the general economy rather than the state government, which benefits everyone…not just the government.

          3. Or move there to get away from paying the high taxes in Maine, right?  If you are not contributing to the state of Maine, and paying state of Maine taxes, why are you so concerned with a family’s struggle to take care of their own and where the state tax money…in Maine…where you no longer live…is going? 

            Isn’t there enough news going on in Florida to keep you occupied during your 16 hour work days…6 days a week?

          4. I own property in Maine so, yes, I am still taxed by the state of Maine. How the state spends those tax dollars are as much my business as any other property owner’s.

          5. Wow, you don’t even live in the state of Maine and you have all this to say?  Talk about a sense of entitlement. 

            Too funny…

          6. Every Maine taxpayer (of which I am one) deserves a say in how Maine spends its taxes.  And, the federal government subsidizes some of the welfare that Maine provides. Every American taxpayer deserves a say in how that is spent, too.

          7. LOL you don’t even live in Maine – 
            Fact is your fantasy posts of all the work you do and all the taxes you pay and all the extended family you pay for are nothing but just that fantasy.
            REAL men don’t brag about success . ( or in your case just lie) 

          8. I pay more than my fair share in taxes and I haven’t flagged any comments at all so you are confusing me with someone else. Clearly I hit a nerve with you when I mentioned welfare cheats. Hmm…

          9. Let me make sure I understand what was
            just said.

             

            Based on my calculations, your direct
            impact on the revenue in the State of Maine is chump change.

            As a true resident of Maine, there is far
            more money being contributed than you just paying a property tax, which is listed
            as “other taxes” and worth less than 12% of the total revenue.  These ‘other taxes’ include:

             

            ·        
            property
            (land) tax

            ·        
            property
            (license plate fees) tax

            ·        
            identification
            documentation (driver’s license)

            ·        
            and
            other incidentals etc.

             

            Of the 100% “entitlement”
            a State of Maine resident has to
            complain, as an out of state resident but State of Maine property owner, your
            complaints are worth about 7.8%.  One of
            my graduate professors made a strong point that 90% of rules and regulations
            written are for the 10% that will abuse or take advantage of a situation.  It is funny how the minority in this situation
            seems to be making the most complaints. 

             

            The amount you put into a state’s revenue
            should be equal to how much value your opinion counts on how a state spends its
            resources, which again is small in comparison. 
            If you don’t like how a state spends its money you can leave….oh wait,
            you’ve already done that.

             

            In case you were wondering here is the
            total breakout of where the State of Maine Revenues comes from:

             

            *Grants & Contributions 45%

            * Sales & Use Taxes 15%

            * Individual Income Taxes 19%

            *Other
            Taxes 12%

            *Charges for Services 7%

            *Other 2 %

             

            http://www.maine.gov/osc/pdf/finanrept/cafr/cafr2011financial.pdf

          10.  I hope to god you never get old or sick or loose your memory. What if your 100 years old  and there is no family to take care of you? Should the tax payers take care of you then? Should the tax payers pay for you to be in a special “home” as you call it? You have no right to judge until you have had to make these kinds of stressful heart breaking choices for your loved ones. This issue is not as easy as you seem to think it is. I would challenge you to attempt to take care of some one who is ill with lots of issues and see what you have to say after that. And if not, shut up you have no idea what you are talking about. By the way what entitlement do you speak of? I don’t mind my hard spent tax money helping a person like Katie, She did not ask for all of the challenges and issues she has lived with her whole life.

  38. http://www.themainewire.com/2012/02/update-maine-housing-spent-millions-travel-training/

    $4.5 million in education and training expense – including payments made to Ground Round restaurant in Augusta, Pushard’s Okinawan Karate, Abracadabra Productions, a magician, and Little Dan’s BBQ

    “Expenses paid to Funtown/Splashtown USA, a Saco water park, are listed
    as ‘office supplies’, along with Are You Ready to Party, inc., Healing
    Hands Therapeutic Massage, and Sandcastle Entertainment, a company that
    rents inflatable bounce-houses and slides.”

    4.5 million dollars on training? Maybe instead of getting massages, bounce houses and a magician, the state could actually spend that money on people who need it, like Katie.

  39. Ironic that the poster with almost all of the negative comments, hasn’t even lived in Maine for over a year.  Why are you so worried about the taxpayers money, when you aren’t even contributing to Maine taxes?

    By the way, how’s Florida this time of year?

  40. Tragic situation all around. However every family feels their loved one is priority. Each year many programs see their funding either cut drastically, or eliminated totally. Families need to shoulder more of the responsibilities no matter how difficult. Whether or not it is right can be debated both ways, but either way, it is a reality. 

  41. It’s a lousy situation.  If she were mine, I’d curse and grind my teeth and go for one of the Bangor group homes.  It might be a temporary situation; you never know what the future might bring.  My heart is with the Spencers.

  42. Basically because they have been good parents and provided for thier daughter nobody is going to help them.  If they took advantage of the system and lied they would have all the help they needed.  If they just arrived in Maine on the bus they would get the help.  This makes me sick, there is a need there and DHS can’t help is bull……. them and their criteria.  I would imagine the parents want to get her into a place because it needs to be done they are not going to live forever and she needs to be on her own and it’s sad that they are not helping.

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