The U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to let states opt out of the federal health reform law’s sweeping expansion of Medicaid revived uncertainty Thursday over the LePage administration’s planned cuts to health coverage for poor Mainers.

MaineCare, the state’s Medicaid program, provides health insurance to low-income residents. President Barack Obama’s landmark health reform law expands Medicaid by using the program to cover 17 million Americans who earn less than 133 percent of the federal poverty line, or about $14,500 for an individual.

Under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, states would get substantial additional federal dollars to help cover the costs of the expansion. States that didn’t extend Medicaid coverage to the poor risked losing all federal funding.

The justices ruled that the federal government cannot pull existing Medicaid funding from states that opt out of the law’s call to greatly expand the program. That frees states to skip the expansion — or even reduce some Medicaid services — without penalty.

What remains unclear is whether states can cut some Medicaid spending without federal permission, which Gov. Paul LePage proposed and the Legislature approved earlier this year.

Typically, states split the bill for Medicaid with the feds, but under the ACA, the federal government will pay for all new beneficiaries through 2016. The match starts to drop in 2017, settling at 90 percent after 2020, which may not be enough to entice some states to accept the financial burden of new patients.

In recent months, LePage and the Department of Health and Human Services have resisted the push to broaden Medicaid, instead dropping tens of thousands of people from the rolls in two rounds of state budget cuts.

LePage and DHHS Commissioner Mary Mayhew also have planned to seek an exception to a provision of the law that prevents states from slashing certain Medicaid services. Maine plans to save $20 million through tighter eligibility requirements in programs that help the elderly and people with disabilities afford insurance and prescription drugs, as well as stricter income limits for some parents and dropping 19- and 20-year-olds from the MaineCare rolls.

Those cuts would require a waiver from the federal government under the reform law’s “maintenance of effort” provision.

It remained unclear Thursday whether the court’s decision to give states more free rein with Medicaid will mean Maine can go through with the cuts without a waiver. If it can, the cuts would hit 23,000 people and keep the state budget in balance. Some Maine lawmakers are skeptical that the feds would approve a waiver request, putting the state’s balanced budget at risk.

Mayhew said in a statement that the court’s decision affirms states’ flexibility to manage their Medicaid programs and that DHHS still plans to seek a waiver.

“We will follow federal procedures and submit state plan amendments within the coming weeks that will outline the Medicaid reductions that were enacted by the Maine Legislature. Based on the Supreme Court’s decision, we anticipate that these amendments will be approved,” she said.

Several states have already applied for waivers, but the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services hasn’t yet granted one.

Judy Solomon, vice president for health policy at the left-leaning and Washington, D.C.-based Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, said U.S. HHS officials will have to weigh in on how the ruling might affect the waivers.

“I think we really don’t know,” she said.

The justices’ decision appeared to Solomon to affect only people who will be eligible for Medicaid in the future, not those who are eligible today and covered by the maintenance of effort provision. That would leave Maine still in need of a waiver to reduce its Medicaid rolls and hence, balance its budget.

Senate President Kevin Raye, R-Perry, who called the law “flawed and unworkable,” said he looked forward to learning how the ruling would affect the MaineCare waivers.

“I am eager to get clarification of one potentially encouraging aspect of the Court’s decision that may help us achieve needed MaineCare reforms by striking down ObamaCare’s troubling provision requiring states to spend more on Medicaid at a time when states are struggling with budget shortfalls,” he said in a statement.

Rep. Sharon Treat of Hallowell, the lead House Democrat on the Legislature’s Insurance and Financial Services Committee, said she hoped LePage would consider expanding health insurance coverage for low-income Mainers.

“Whether he will be open to expanding Medicaid, it’s hard to know,” she said. “To me, it seems incomprehensible that we would reject almost the entirety of funding for this expansion, and why? For some philosophical reason.”

BDN political reporter Matthew Stone contributed to this report.

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  1. Over time, obamacare will prove to hurt just about everyone. But who cares, just as long as obama gets reelected. After all, what’s the economy, government overreach and massive government mismanagment when it keeps Dems in power.

    1. “Over time, obamacare will prove to hurt just about everyone.”

      Examples please.

      1. My insurance costs are already going up because of this. It will now get far worse. People don’t realize that what was passed gives the insurance companies the privledge to raise their rates 10% a year. This is far more than they already have. It already costs me about 1/3 of my pay every period. 

        1.  I think you will find that your insurance costs are going up because of what LePage and the Republicans in our state legislature passed this last session.  That, and the fact that they got rid of the state oversight section and said that insurance companies are allowed to increase costs 10% without any concern.  Plus, of course, if you are older (say late 40s) than the change they made will increase as much as 70%.

          1. No, they were going up before that. Actually the biggest increases came just after Obama passed his legislation. The only thing LePage did was pass some regulations that open up some competition in our state. If anything it has eased the surge that was already occurring. The 10% increase was what the federal government mandated and this was put in place to bring it into align with Obamacare. All current increases are a direct response to Obamacare.

          2.  The insurance companies jacked up the prices as soon as the federal legislation was passed.  And, I am hearing from so many people and businesses that the LePage/Republicans changes have increased costs for companies providing insurance (if they have one or two 40 somethings) that they are either going to have to cancel the insurance, go out of business or get rid of their older employees.  These changes were not done to be in compliance with the federal health law. 

          3. The federal plan dictates that insurance companies can raise their rates up to 10% without reporting it. This is completely about bringing our laws in line with federal laws. It is amazing how little people that are all for this really know what was passed.

          4.  The big deal is that the state plan breaks out insurance costs by age which means the older people pay more.  Since we are the oldest state in the nation, this is a huge deal.  It also eliminates certain coverages.  And, it limits where they can get services.  All of this had nothing to do with the federal insurance program.

          5. I think you will all find that your insurance premiums are going up due to greed on the part of the insurance companies. From the way you all talk its like they have never raised the rates before.

            But hey, I understand if you don’t like giving such a big chunk of your money to buy yet another CEO another beach house. Know how to fix that? Single payer, universal care for all just like in every industrialized nation in the world and some third world countries as well.

          6. Their economies are collapsing because of a failed “austerity” model that’s also being proposed for the US.

        2. So you are saying your insurance premiums weren’t going up before the Healthcare Act?  that’s a good one! In 2007 my premium was $1000 a month and climbing.  The company I worked for laid off people who had expensive claims against the insurance in an effort to keep their rates down.  Where’s the fairness in that?  How many employees lost their insurance because they were too sick to go to work and make their contribution to the premium?  Where I worked, one employee took time off to be with her husband who was dying from cancer.  Everyone in the shop made a contribution to pay her share of her premium and she wouldn’t lose their insurance altogether.  I don’t see that system as being better!

        3. The 10% was given to you by your local republican legislature and governor.How much had they risen BEFORE this law was enacted?

          1. Don’t forget another small item that the insurance companies must spend at least 80% of their premiums on health care or rebate all moneys less than the 80%. 

          2. I don’t think a lot of people realize that some of the for-profit insurance company CEOs have salaries so large that they get more in a DAY than most of us make in a YEAR (round about $60,000). Or that a goodly percentage of our health insurance premiums are being spent to fight health insurance reform.

        4. Are you sure your rates haven’t gone up because of the laws recently passed by LePage & Co. here in Maine???

      2. Living under the Democratic party, going to jail for not paying your additional taxes.  However, one of the benefits is that you are the type of person who might get taxed, and that pleases me.

    2. Yes, allowing people with pre-existing conditions to get health insurance hurts the uninsured.

      Yes, allowing sick people to keep their health insurance helps them.

      Yes, allowing college students to stay on their parents health insurance hurts them.

      And just yesterday you were so sure the law would be found unconstitutional just shows how wrong you are at predictions.

      1. Forcing people to purchase items from a private company is unconstitutional. Americans can now be forced to purchase products from any company that the federal government feels we should because of this flawed decision. This was about more than healthcare. 

        1.  Yes..you are correct…we just lost more freedom and the government just gained more power over the people. And, here I mistakenly thought that Mainer’s did not like being told what to do by the government…my bad.

        2.  Technically, the way they passed it, we are being forced to pay a tax. So apparently we can be taxed in punishment for not purchasing what the government has told us to buy. Or something like that. I’m still trying to wrap my head around the whole tangled mess. Personally, I feel that health CARE is a right of every human being. Health INSURANCE…ugh. I think insurance companies are terribly unethical. I would rather see socialized healthcare than insurance mandates.

          1. I agree that government provided healthcare would be better. 

            However, a tax ‘forcing’ you to buy things is not unusual.  Right now if I don’t buy a house and pay a mortgage I’m taxed. If I don’t give to charities, I’m taxed.  If I don’t buy things that are a business expense, I’m taxed.  If I don’t move my household, I’m taxed.  If I don’t buy stocks through an IRA, I’m taxed.  If I don’t buy mutual funds through a “401k”, I’m taxed.

            I’m not “forced” to buy these things. But if I don’t buy them, I pay higher taxes. The tax law encourages me to do things and will, under Obamacare, encourage me to buy health insurance, but it won’t force me to.

        3. Didn’t you hear! 

          You are not being forced , if you don’t buy health insurance you get Taxed instead!

          It is still your choice!

          1. So if these people don’t buy health insurance it will be deducted from their tax refund? What about the people who don’t pay any taxes? What about the people who receive earned income credit? Does that mean that they won’t get EIC anymore because it will be used for their insurance or will they still get more of a refund than was even deducted in the first place, and get their insurance paid for too?
            How is the government going to know if people really have insurance? Are they going to call and verify with everyone’s insurance company? What will the scam be that we all know will surface, like every other government program? The same as vehicle insurance? Take out a policy to get your vehicle registered, then cancel it?
            Will the government be able to “borrow” money from Obamacare like they do with Social Security? It is beyond me how anyone can trust the government for anything. 

          2.  These people will be covered or already covered / free health, under the governments safety net.
            Lower middle class and working poor are going to take the heat again I fear.
            Right now I pay 25% of my income out in health insurance…after I pay this out I am at about 133% of the federal poverty guidelines,which would qualify me for free healthcare.
            But since the reason my income is there is because I purchased healthcare insurance, I am at a level playing field with someone who gets free health coverage.
            The way I understand it there will be tax subsidies for other above this guideline (I won’t hold my breath).

            If a person gets another part time to increase their income, they will have to pay for more of their healthcare then someone who has less income.
            So why work more or harder?
            Same was true when my son went to college…he was told he was working his way out of financial help with school.
            I taught my kids to work hard for what they wanted in life.  I am just not used to this new belief system.

          3. To many of these people have their priorities screwed up because we are required to bail them out, and they know it. They couldn’t afford healthcare but they got that new big screen TV. Others don’t have the big screen TV but they provided healthcare for their family.
            Some people will say “oh, well don’t low income people deserve any luxuries?” The answer is, not when the tax payers are paying for their basic needs.
            This isn’t going to do anything to curb the parasite behavior that responsible people are forced to foot the bill for.

          4. Let’s see if you still think it is “your choice” when you are told you are going to be “Taxed” for the insurance your employer provides you.

          5. Haven’t you heard of  –Limited —Government?

            Thats why they wrote a Constitution, the power of the government is –Limited –to what is in it!

            In it,

            The Government Constitutionally has the power of  Taxation!

            So, Ultimately you have a “choice”, Be Taxed, leave the country, or go to jail!

            LOL

          6. And if they don’t buy health insurance but get sick, break a leg or get in an accident I get to pay … where’s my choice??

          7.  Your “choice” (if you had guts enough to exercise it)would be to allow people to die on the side of the road if they didn’t do it your (and Obama’s) way.

            I guess “pro choice” is only a slogan for a specific situation.

          8.  I hope you are being sarcastic. Just in case you aren’t…taxed…wake up all you obamacare advocates…it is a penalty. Do you get “taxed” when you don’t want to buy a car…or a house…or healthy food?! You are so busy wanting everybody to get something for “nothing” that you are forgetting to look at the fact that the government has way too much power over the people and every program “they finance” gives them more power and more control.

          9. Get over it!

            Abscent Obamacare –You had a choice, pay a third party hostage taker,

            ( Who would sometimes pay sometimes not but always make a profit),  bilk the hospital who in turn would bilk the government and other patients,

              or die!

          10. The way that I see it, The Government has the power of taxation and if people don’t like it there are flights leaving the country daily!

          11.  The way I see it is the First amendment gives people the right (duty) to speak against government, and if people don’t like it I hear there are jobs in China, Russia, and Iran There are no jobs in North Korea, but I hear it is very quite. 

        4. You don’t have to buy it. Pay the tax. Just don’t use the hospital if you get sick.

          1. Actually, you do not even have to pay the tax. The IRS is specifically prohibited in the legislation from collecting it. All this fear over nothing.

        5. So now you are a Constitutional expert?  I doubt it.

          Americans have been “compelled” to buy a great many things due to government regulation, starting with national security, an education for their children and all the other services our taxes pay for.  You of all people should know that since you identify with the Mainiacs.  Who do you think is compelled to pay for the fuel you guys lug around?  Or the planes? Or the training and uniforms etc?

          1. They are forcing us to purchase a product from a private industry. What is the next product we will be forced to purchase? Where is the line drawn?

          2.  Ahh but here is the rub.  US citizens have never been “forced” by the Federal Government to pay a private entity (directly) for a product they may not want.

          3. Yes they have.  Infrastructure for a start.  How about Halliburton?  Or maybe airport fees.  Then think of the state requirements such as car insurance etc.  Come on, lets get serious here.  Unlike Mainiac I am not an expert in Constitutional law however I have a strong belief that our system of government is meant to serve the greater good.  Healthcare falls under that category.

          4.  The government pays Halliburton.  We are not forced to go out, pick a country to fight, and then pay contractors directly.  I can choose not to fly (without penalty) I can choose not to drive, and did when I lived in Boston. 

            As to government mandated health care se4rving the greater good, I doubt that, but you (of course) are entitled to your opinion.

        6. I feel forced to buy car and house insurance. In the sense that if I don’t I will be uncovered, may get a “fine” from the government if I am caught without it (car), will lose my house if there is a fire, and if I ever want to get insured after dodging it, it will cost me an arm and a leg for coverage.

          Paying for insurance sucks and a lot of people don’t see a need for it until they need it, unfortunately.

          1. The difference is that if you don’t have fire insurance on your house or liability on your car, your neighbors aren’t forced to buy it for you.

        7. So then lets cut out the middle man.  Medicare Part E(everyone) would work fine.

          See we are in agreement :)

      2.  Those concerns could be passed with a single piece of legislation, that’s not nearly so invasive and ultimately costly as the ACA.

        1. I get a kick out of the term ACA,  What happened to Obamacare?

          Once this gets widely accepted it will be called ACA. Heck in a few years the Right will be even calling it a Romney Care!!!!!!

          1. I’ve seen surveys that show voters favoring all the individual core features of the ACA… then, if you tell them it’s also known as Obamacare, suddenly they realize Fox News says they’re supposed to despise it.

      3. The Supreme caved in to the political pressure and voted that the law was constitutional.  Justice Roberts as much as said so.  He called the penalty a tax and therefore, because the penalty was a tax and not a tool to force people to buy insurance, the law was constitutional.  How’s that for a push?  Obama saved face, but for anyone that bothers to follow this law, its clear that even Obama does not know the law that he signed into law.

        1. Wrong, Roberts did not cave into the conservative pressure to overturn a law that will save both lives and money.

      4. We had to start somewhere and this is it. Now tweak it instead of griping: Live in the solution instead of the problem. It’s a hell of a lot more fun. :)

    3. Yep, I”m still wondering who’s gonna pay for mine.  I would have to pay $500+ a month for insurance through my employer, a municipality.  That’s one half months pay.

      1.  That’s a bargain. Ours is $1000/month. Two adults and two children. More than half my take-home pay.

      2. If you’re only making 12,000 a year , you need to find another town to work for.I’d say this will work to your benefit.

    4. Why don’t you ask the Trust Fund Baby how well it works.  He thought it was great when he was Gov. of Mass and it was his idea.

      1. So are you saying it was a bad idea for Romney to do it, but it’s a brilliant idea for Obama? Romney and Massachusetts know that it’s a bad idea, because they’ve lived it.  When are people going to realize that Obama is not try to help people, he’s trying to make decisions for them? If the government wants to do something new and groundbreaking, why don’t they cut down the deficit, put us on a path to energy independence and maybe pass a budget….
        If this ACA aka Obamacare is the only “good” thing Obama has done in his term, then he needs to move on and let someone else lead this country.

        1. You keep forgetting the fact that Romney was a Republican Governor serving with a Democratic Legislature. The Democrats passed health care legislation and Romney simple signed it becuase he knew that his veto would be overturned.

          1. He was too shy and wimpy to veto something he didn’t like? Quite a selling point for Romney.

          2. Several months ago during the early primary days I heard on NPR that Romney bragged about the Massachusetts legislation when it occurred.  At the time a snippet of a public speech was played proving that Romney was in support of it when it passed.  Although I can’t provide a link I tend to believe it was most likely true.

        2. No.  Gsgofer is pointing out Romey’s intellectual dishonesty.  Somehow you managed to read a whole lot into gsgofer’s simple comment.  Mr. Romney is the one who said this type of law was good when he was governor.  Now he says its bad.  Gsgofer didn’t say he thought the Massachusetts version was bad, or that the federal version is good.

          1. Further, ACA is surprisingly similar (down to the insurance mandate) to plans put forth by current Republican leaders during the Clinton healthcare debates.

      2. State government and federal government have different responsiblities. The 10th amendment limits the federal government from doing this, but for some reason everyone likes to leave that part of the constitution out. 

        1. You must have a different versin that I do.  10th Amendment states “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”  Where do you see that as a limit?  Maybe you should take it up with the SCOTUS.

    5. It’s truly hilarious how the bunch that almost destroyed our country miraculously now think they have the answers.

      “There’s an old saying in Tennessee —I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on- shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

    6. That’s because the American people tend to turn everything into a base, money-making scheme.

    1. The court was wrong, laughing about the distruction of the country is not really that funny.

      1. Your opinion is your opinion.  The Supreme Court’s opinion is the law.  And, destruction, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.  

        1.  The supreme court has turned into another political entity. They base their votes more on their personal politics, and the politics of those who helped get them the job, than on the words of the Constitution of the United States of America. “Man is not free unless government is limited.

          ~Ronald Reagan

  2. I don’t see Landslide LePage increasing Mainecare but if I understand it the Supreme Court said that states could refuse to join the increased enrollment in Medicaid without losing all their current Medicaid funding from the government.  This would seem to have no bearing on the “maintenance of effort” aspect of the current funding.  Of course, you could apply for a waiver which puts you in the position of refusing to increase funding for an increase in Medicaid with the government paying for 90% of it for the first two years just so you could reduce your current spending and throw people who fit the current requirements off of the program.  For an administration that is committed to increasing the safety net for people who are poor I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the waiver.

    1. Who’s going to pay for it? How about the 1% of Americans who own 42% of our nation’s wealth?

      And by the way, your “half the population gets government aid” statistic is only accurate if you include Social Security and Medicare – both programs which from which the elderly receive benefits after a lifetime of paying into those programs. Over half of all welfare spending goes into these two programs; not counting them, less than a quarter of Americans receive government aid.

      1. Of course current recipients draw a lot more than they paid in (even adjusting for inflation), so the numbers don’t quite add up. 

        You could tax the 1% for 100% of their income and not eliminate the debt. The truth is, the middle class will bear the burden of increased government costs. If we vote for this level of social insurance, so be it, but let’s be honest about who will pay for it: we will.

        I’m in favor of a single-payer system, by the way, but I’m skeptical of this jerry-rigged version.

        1. You mean we have to pay for ourselves, our families and our neighbors?  How unAmerican!  Why can’t we all be greedy and selfish all the time?

          1. It’s only un-American if you are the neighbor getting the free insurance and it’s taken away from you. If you are the person paying for yourself and your family, that’s the way America was built…by people who got off their butts and earned their own way. I don’t disagree with helping those who CAN’T help themselves through life, but I strongly disagree with helping those who won’t because they are too darn lazy. 

          2. report them and the what? They end up in jail so we can pay for them to sit on their butt in jail! Maybe the court will fine them! But wait they don’ have income so can’t pay the fine. Mabe we can make them do community service. Wait, can’t force people to work, that is inhuman! We pay the court system to hear them. Maybe if you commit welre fraud we should just shoot you. Relocate them to another country? Australia……that was a penal colony. 

          3. Australia is a good choice!  Universal Healthcare system in place, financed bytaxes with an additional 1% levied on the rich.

          4. Are people on welfare paying for themselves? You mean I have to pay for everyone else? How unAmerican! Tax dollars come from somewhere. Maybe we can elimiante the military to fund welfare programs. While we are at it just toss the constituion out the window. Aferall it is outdated. It was written in the 1700s!

        2. It’s only jerry rigged because we have parties. If we had decent, hard-working citizens in Congress, we could have the best of both worlds, but instead we have political bickering. What is more important for a country than the health of its citizens?

          1.  “What is more important for a country than the health of its citizens?”

            An interesting question.  My grandmother was healthy until the day she died at age 95, and never saw a doctor in her life. She ate well, lived well, and chose not to drive one of those horseless carriage things.

            Health (in case you missed my point) does not come from free health insurance. It comes from making choices to eat well, not to smoke, and not to drive drunk.  Sure genes play a role, but in our economic system (capitalism) every choice in life is a crap-shoot.

          2. And you could be in an accident tomorrow (about which you’d have no choice whatsoever).

          3. For most people, preventive care plays a very large role in maintaining health. Your grandmother, bless her heart, is an exception to that rule.

            Once illness or accident happens–which is does in virtually everyone’s life– health care make a huge difference in your outcome.  You can eat perfectly, exercise precisely, and omit all bad habits, and still get hit by a truck or get cancer.

            Access to health care comes from access to health insurance. Tens of millions of Americans lack health insurance. That jeopardizes our national health.

      2. Why should someone that makes more $$ be expected to support someone who makes less? That is just assanine…..

          1. I thought the Catholic church was part of the “system”. Maybe they rigged economic status. They are pretty wealthy. Lets tax them to ay for Obama care. Who needs a fancy church, they can pray outside or in a tent.

          2. maybe Jesus should pay taxes, maybe the Feds can regulate religion. It is possible that the Obama administration could creatre Obama Religion! They can get it by the constitution by hiding it as a tax. If you don’t go to church you pay a fine. At least I would feel guilty and donate money on Sunday to the church who can in turn pay for healthcare.

        1. Why should somebody who makes Less money be expected to support someone who makes more?
           

          It’ happens everyday through the “Rigged” economic system that we have!

          What word do you have for that?

          1. Right….people making less than me are supporting me….not hardly.  There is nothing “Rigged” about how I got to my economic position…it was hard work and I earned it.

          2. Rigged!! Funny. Blame the “man”, the “machine”. I’m with lovehunting I worked for my economic position.

      3. Per the IRS, the top 1% earns 17% of the total income and pays 37% of the total federal taxes. Meanwhile, the bottom 50% earns 13% of the income yet pays less than 2% of the total federal taxes. 

      4. This mentality is a falicy. That is the same mentality as me going to Burger King and paying for everyones meal as I walk in because I make way more than they do. Thats socialism at its purest form. And this my friend is socialism.

        1. it is ok, at least everyone has food in their bellies. Geesh. Maybe the Obama administation can mandate that everyone drive a VW (oops today it would be the Prius)

    2. It is paid for by the people who use it, America’s citizens.  When everyone has insurance,  when desperate people aren’t going to the ER without insurance, we will actually save money.  Frankly I’d rather have universal healthcare coverage which removes the  “for profit” part of our premiums,  ends redundant programs (Medicare, Medicaid, VA, and all the smaller local programs developed to take up the slack), and provides coverage for all.   This would save Americans a bundle, including American business because they wouldn’t have to subsidize healthcare premiums (which is almost a thing of the past now anyway if you are in the service industry).  By the way, half of Americans are not getting government aid!  Where the heck did you get that BS?  Do you consider SS benefits “aid”?

      1. The people who don’t buy the insurance and pay the tax instead will still go to the ER….our government is not going to be saving any money.  I’m not going to be saving any money because my insurance premiums are going up to subsidize this.

        1. I think you are mistaken. Even if we don’t have 100% coverage we will still save a bundle because many more will be insured. However if you want to maximize your/our savings then support non-profit universal healthcare coverage for all Americans.

          1. I want to support MY FAMILY…..and I like my excellent insurance as it is right now….I shouldn’t have to have less insurance or pay more for someone else.  Univeral healthcare will affect my coverage and I’ve earned the insurance I have and I’d like to keep it that way.  You want to support those who don’t support themselves go for it – I prefer not to.

          2. Who do you think is supporting them now? You are – your insurance costs are covering those without health insurance. You do get that, right?

          3. That is fine.  After universal healthcare is in place you can go out and buy insurance, paying for corporate profiteering at the expense of your own health.  I have no doubt that the insurance companies will cater to the few who, like yourself, prefer to be taken advantage of by those companies.  But mark my words, you won’t find any security in how they treat you when you and your loved ones get older and the premiums become intolerable, the coverage diminishes, the copays go up and up, and talk about death squads, insurance companies have mastered this method of culling the ill from their ranks.  Meanwhile, this being America, you will still have to contribute to a universal healthcare plan which guarantee’s no American will go without healthcare.  In the end you may be very glad indeed that such a program (hopefully) has become reality.  You know my friend, I understand how you feel but I’ve lived long enough to know that things don’t always go according to plan.  There is wisdom in that thought.

      2. SS benefits…….they are excess paid in contributions from WORKERS and EMPLOYERS.  It isn’t suppose to be used to find current benefit payments. It is money I pay in to the system so I can retire or live if I become unable to work. If you pay in you get benefits. So I do not consider SS benefit as aid if a person on paid into the system.   

    3. The whole world gets billions in American aid, including our enemies . Why can’t we? It’s only money and if we don’t spend it here we will ship it overseas like all our jobs.

    4. How about JP Morgan Chase, Exxon Mobile, the Koch Brothers, Adelson, all the other multi millionares and billionares and huge corporations and banks who screwed us royally, and the American people with a small increase in taxes. Do you call the police and fire departments if you are being robbed or your house is burning down? They are government aid. Are you on now or will you refuse your Medicare and Social Security? If yes I applaud you but won’t beleive you. Come off it, please and respectfully.

    5.  The same people who would be paying if this law wasn’t ruled constitutional.  Very few people pay into the healthcare system more than they get back. That includes most of the current older generation.

    6. If you are considering Social Security, “government aid”, you better go back to school.  I don’t think I heard it called that back when your daddy and your daddy’s daddy were drawing it.  Nobody complained.  Just the present greedy generation.  I think I am going to stay alive as long as possible so you do have to support me, LOL.  Maybe you young people should think about paying back the $2.6 trillion you borrowed from the S.S. Trust Fund.  That would take care of all of us on “government aid”

  3. Where is the Federal Government going to get all the money for Obama care???  I guess the courts are in the taxing business.. The middle class is the only class that can afford to pay for this program… hip/hip/paid day..  (-; thank God for this wonderful program…

  4. If people think they are getting free health care, they are in for a rude awakening.  I have “insurance” that costs me $60 a week withquartz24 a $2500 deductible.  When I go for my “free” physical every year it costs me at least $150 for all the blood work they want to do that the insurance doesn’t cover.  If you opt out of the blood work the doctor threatens to drop you as a patient.  The doctor doesn’t get rich off of physicals they want to find something wrong with you so they can milk you of every last penny.

    We need to start boycott going to doctors who are controlled by big pharm. 

    1. Your insurance is still far superior to mine.  We pay far more weekly and have a higher deductible (per person) and receive far *less* in terms of available/covered services.  

      Remember that if your doc never sees you again, she still gets paid.  She needs those tests to determine your diagnosis and best course of treatment.  She is just as irritated as you are when she can’t get the high school graduate insurance employee to agree with her recommendations (based on her medical school training) and approve a test etc.   

      I want the same healthcare plan as our governor, and representatives.  Their jobs don’t even require a college education for Christ’s sake.  

  5. James day by day the tea party taliban is losing its luster. After the November election they will be no more then a discard on the pile of political irrelevancy.

    1. Only if you vote. People can’t stay home and expect things to change. We need to encourage our neighbors and friends. I will drive them to the polls or to get an absentee ballot. If we all only take two that will make a difference.

    2. I say the tea party will grow.  Based upon the actions of O’sham-a and the supreme court, I am going to now join.

    3. The Tea Party won a significant amount of seats in the house and senate during the 2010 election cycle, which will help keep the movement going, unlike the fizzled out Occupy movement which as been hijacked by anarchists.

    4.  Yeah, like the moral and silent majorities. 

      Like it or don’t, we have a number of people in the USA who do not want to give away the store.  They change their names, join different groups, but they are ALWAYS here and they vote.

      I suggest that this discussion will mobilize the opposition.  I further suggest that is why Justice Roberts (a G.W. Bush appointee) voted as he did. 

      This program will eventually (in 20 years) cost the US taxpayers over two-trillion dollars.  No matter if we borrow the money (sell bonds) or take it out of the current budget, this bill will have long term negative effects on our way of life.

      1. The RepubliCAN’T Party:CAN’T govern
        CAN’T plan a war
        CAN’T tell the truth
        CAN’T stop spending
        CAN’T stop pampering the rich
        CAN’T stop corporate welfare

  6.  So if I understand all the gum flapping blow hards The original law is unconstitutional under the original frame work but as a tax it is legal So Roberts rewrites it to be legal as a tax. Geesh talking bout putting perfume on a pig He gave the pig a total makeover and tries to tell us its Miss America

  7. that girl who loves obama care can pay my fines in 2014… I work hard… 40 hours a week with out health insurance thanks my choice because its the only job out there and now i’m being penalized  

    1. Yes, and who do you think will have to pay for your care, if you’re ever forced to go to the ER, or god forbid if your health completely failed you? This isn’t that different from things like car insurance.  If you choose not to buy car insurance, you have to pay an uninsured motorist fee.  If you choose not to buy health insurance, you will pay an additional tax.  I also work hard, and often more than 40 hours a week.  I pay for insurance and don’t appreciate people who can afford, but choose not to buy health insurance, contributing to my higher premiums.

      1.  Not everyone can afford health insurance. This is Maine. We have families and a lower then average income. Most small businesses are in the form of contractors with small crews. Maine could barely make it before – penalizing a poor middle class person $2000 for not having a health insurance policy is draconian. It violates everything this nation was founded on.

        1. Where did you get $2000? That is a completely wrong number. In 2014, those who still choose not to buy health insurance, will be taxed only $95, $325 in 2015, $695 in 2016, and will be indexed to inflation after 2016. The fees after 2016 are capped at roughly 2% of income, for those that can afford insurance. I completely understand a person who cannot afford insurance due to financial hardship or other reasons, and there are provisions, in the law, that help protect those people.

          https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:7XGBg_VUf00J:www.bcbsri.com/BCBSRIWeb/pdf/Individual_Mandate_Fact_Sheet.pdf+Penalty+for+violating+individual+mandate&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESizymS2X2JCuJHN_aFYtsm-qSq_fpeYUGw-LthP1Nn8auL5GPu-sO2-JdxYuZg0ybv_bVhIhe691LBts7NpOsJrJpX-vYbJBuUNDiLjW9llu04ylQvZsOhXDbo005eZWheNd6ah&sig=AHIEtbSB3IO8G40CR0gtnMbN86KglgnUQA

          Some in my own family have to choose between insuring their families or buying food. This law will make insurance much more affordable or gives them other options that will ensure they have access to healthcare. People really need to inform themselves on this law, because it is far more beneficial to Americans than many realize.

          1. Think about it, its an election year.  Obama is not going to come out and say that the fines are going to be expensive.  He will let it go a few years, then realize what we in Maine know.  Mainecare has drained our hospitals and private care doctor offices, putting them on the edge of shutting down.  We are going to stretch this problem nation wide. The only way to balance socialized health care is to raise taxes and “fines”.  They can do that with one simple vote buried in his budget. His federal budget that has not been balanced since taking office.  

            Second, insurance companies are in the business to make money.  If it is no longer profitable to provide insurance they will shut down.  What is cheaper, to pay $12k for health care or a fine of $2k through taxes.  This is the worlds worst plan.  Unless of course you are hoping that Obama doesn’t get reelected as president.  In that case, this is the best thing that could have happened to the United States.  Only 6 more months of this idiot in the White House!   The supreme court set this guy up to fail!   

            The poor are already whining that they can’t afford a new tax!  They just wanted it for free, now that they realize that they are going to have to pay, they hate Obama.  PERFECT!! 

          2. Hey Cicchi, this is America.  Facts and information are optional.  Opinions and beliefs provided by the advertiser who pays the most, or buys the most politicians, are all any of us really need.  

            I hope you don’t mind that I dumped this load of sarcasm all over you.  Your comments were fact filled and astute.  I thought that you might see the humor.

        2. So what would you suggest we do for healthcare for those who can’t afford insurance? Not care for them? Turn them away at the hospital door? No; hospitals have to treat everyone. So, the insured end up paying for them through higher medical costs. Is this fair? Equitable? Everyone talks about “freedom”; what about my freedom to not have to pay for someone else’s medical care? I feel that everyone needs some skin in the game if they have the means.

          1. And the elephant that’s still lurking in the room is the obscene cost of meds. Think of the billions (even more now) still to be tossed into those fat pharmaceutical wallets. Incredibly, this wanton ripping off of most of us remains a “hands-off” non-issue in Washington. Follow the money. 

  8. As a Canadian wrote: “Welcome USA finally, to the 20th (no, not a mistake) century.”
    Next goal: single payer insurance.

  9. This ruling may be just what the doctor ordered.

    #1 – it has and will continue to energize the majority of Americans who are opposed to Obamacare
    #2 – the ruling clarified that the commerce clause can not be used to buy a product or service
    #3 – the only way that Congress can compel us to buy something is via taxation.  More and more and higher and higher  taxes are toxic to the vast majority of Americans.

    1.  Unfortunately, many Mainers have a mental disconnect between “taxes” and their “wallet”. Hence, every bond measure being approved – hence so many liberal politicians who run insane deficits in Maine and other New England States.  People who don’t see the value of a budget or financial stability somehow see the value in voting for them it’s promises of free government cheese.

      1. Tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires have significantly reduced revenues everywhere. Yet somehow, Republicans fervently support them, while volunteering to do without road repairs, health insurance, a decent retirement age, and the entire social safety net in order to be able to afford this treat for the ultra-rich.

        1. Meanwhile, back in the real world, LizDavies does some real research and looks at federal revenue patterns after tax cuts have been passed.   “Good heavens!” she exclaims when she sees that federal revenues increased year over year shortly after the tax cuts go into effect.   “I can’t believe that those nice people on MSNBC lied to me for so long!”    Liz promptly becomes a conservative.  

          Don’t you just love happy endings?

          1. Wow–magic! Reducing revenue raises revenue. Nope.

            You are arguing that if you slash a large proportion of your revenue from one source, and an unrelated effect causes your total revenues to rise, you can thank the slashing for the increase.

            As the Washington Post noted, “Economists said Bush was claiming credit where little is due. The economy has grown and tax receipts have risen at historic rates over the past two years, but the Bush tax cuts played a small role in that process, they said, and cost the Treasury more in lost taxes than it gained from the resulting economic stimulus…

            “”Federal revenue is lower today than it would have been without the tax cuts. There’s really no dispute among economists about that,” said Alan D. Viard, a former Bush White House economist now at the nonpartisan American Enterprise Institute…

            “Robert Carroll, deputy assistant Treasury secretary for tax analysis, said neither the president nor anyone else in the administration is claiming that tax cuts alone produced the unexpected surge in revenue. “As a matter of principle, we do not think tax cuts pay for themselves,’

            “If growth induced by Bush’s cuts doesn’t explain the surge, where did all those extra tax dollars come from? The short answer is spectacularly high corporate profits and the advancing fortunes of wealthy Americans, economists said.”

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/16/AR2006101601121.html

  10. The taliban rules with an iron fist, levying harsh penalties for failure to comply with its demands. 

    The Obama administration also rules with an iron fist, levying harsh penalties for failure to comply. 

    Right analogy.  Wrong ideology.

      1. You certainly don’t have to answer, however I hear this a lot and have also had a lot of cancer in my family.  My aunts, uncles, grandparents, with health insurance from state(UMO) insurance, AARP insurance, AETNA insurance, and Mainecare have all had and survived cancer.  None of them were dropped or saw expenses not covered.  So what company is doing this?  What are your experiences with this?

        1.  I agree Tired.  My mother also had Medicare, and AETNA. These two entities paid over half a million dollars to various health-care facilities in Maine Massachusetts and New Jersey for the year prior to her death.  There was never a notification that they planned to cancel.

          1. Half a million dollars to take care of a dying old woman for a year?  AWESOME!  There is a big difference in end of life care between doctors and patients.  There is a big difference between end of life care in other countries and the US.  Another symptom of the delusional life that we Americans lead.

          2.  We are not “delusional.” My mother was a member of the Hemlock Society and would have ended her life had that been an option.  It was not because the good citizens of Maine voted AGAINST allowing doctors to help folks with terminal conditions.

        2. Most insurance policies have lifetime maximums. It is not unheard of for a chronic cancer patient to tap out their insurance policy. Keep in mind this is a lifetime maximum, not a per episode maximum. It is easily 1/2 -1  million dollars for a prolonged cancer fight. If you have another one, you are without coverage.

    1. Yep.  Terribly oppressive to  require us to chip in to a system that does good for all of us.  The harsh penalties?  Paying a “tax” or a penalty for refusing to participate in civilized society.  Harsh.  I mean, shouldn’t we all be allowed to fulfill our  anarchistic tendencies?

      1.  “anarchistic tendencies?”  Does this mean choosing how to spend the money I earn from my sweat and labor?  I already pay for Medicare, and Social Security (which I may never collect) now I must (in two years) buy a product for which I may never have a use. 

        If I were a true anarchist I would not work, save, buy into a house, feed and clothe my children, or pay the already unreasonable taxes on sales, income, property, investments, or/and the other taxes on liquor, tobacco, and automobile use which are there specifically to alter my behavior.

    2. Those aren’t Penalties they are taxes. Does Barack Hussein Obama sound talibanish to you?

  11. If you like not having control of your own life, or having the choice to purchase good and services that you want, or even having a say in a government that is supposed to be “by the people, for the people” then go ahead and vote for Obama in November. 
    On the other hand, if you want even the slightest chance of reclaiming the America that was created by our founders, then vote for Romney.  I’m not saying Romney is going to be the perfect President.  But considering the current administration, we really can’t go wrong in electing someone with a different approach.
    The U.S. is slowly becoming a country of no-responsibility welfare slackers, and Obama is supporting that message.  This country was not built off food stamps and hand outs, it was built by hard work and self sacrifice.  And to all the liberal posters on this site, come up with some new material.  “Tea Bagger” was funny for about 3 minutes, now it just shows how ignorant liberals are when it comes to people who share a different opinion.

    1. Well put. As I wrote yesterday, many posters here, for whatever reason, want to be taken care of. They either lack the confidence or are unwilling to grind in out in life to try and be successful. Again before the pile on begins, there are people through no fault of their own have experienced health problems which often leads to financial problems. For those people I would be  the first person to open my wallet to. Let’s be honest though, much of the so called need is trumped up. EBT cards for smokes? Really?

    2. A healthy America would be a stronger America. Fighting against health insurance for all is, to my mind, anti-American.

      Go ahead and join Romney in his quest to deny health insurance to millions of Americans. Fight hard to destroy the social safety net.

      Right now, you appear to believe that only “welfare slackers” ever need  help. Perhaps one day you might lose your job and be unable to find another. Or have a serious illness or injury and find your for-profit insurer covers none of it or only a fraction, driving you into bankruptcy. Or have a disabled child or grandchild who needs all sorts of assistance you can’t afford on your own. Bad things do happen to good people, despite the Republican politicians’ determination to turn every group against every other group.

  12. now what is Gov.Lepage going to do about this one..??.  Sucks to be him right about now, when he was going to stop mainecare  for alot of people in this state…I feel that were in for a beg fight now and the rich it’s going to give up there cash that easily….again were back to the middle class…..Hey that me..!!!

  13. I think what happened with Scott Walker proves the Tea Party is pretty strong  so don’t be so sure of yourself boys .

  14. I know what we should do. We’ll just have our esteemed guv tell the U.S. Supreme Court to kiss his butt.

  15.  It would have been better for President Obama and his team (which knew all along this was a tax increase) if they just did this;

    Everyones taxes are going up.
    If you purchase health insurance we are going to give you tax break…..if you don’t you will have to pay the huge tax increase.

  16. Good ole O’sham-a, putting it to us again.  That ruling will prove to put this country in total turmoil.

  17. And when people are fined or jailed for not being able to pay that tax, will you help them, oh about a million or so of them?

  18. Obummer compares his commie BS to auto-insurance- I guess the _____ in the oval office didnt take into consideration that many dont drive, but yet he dosent fine them.

    Here is a term you should get use to- try and make pay….!

    Heres a fact that “most” poles show, most American citizens dont want this, and this “will” become an election issue for those seeking to get reelected…!

    1. Why do you think several Democrats failed to walk out and voted to hold the US Attorney General in contempt. They know their jobs are on the line this November.

  19. One of the good things which came out of this ruling was that  the Court finally made a ruling that  the Federal government can’t create commerce in order to regulate it.
    I think this is huge.
    By making this a tax, this gives people who are tired of excesses to vote the violators out of office (remember taxing citizens only works so far / laffer curve).

    1. The Laffer curve is nonsense. That theory has been widely discredited, theoretically and in practice.

      “Laffer was an associate of the Reagan administration, which had a staged cut in the marginal higher rate of personal income tax from 70% to 28%. The effect on the budget deficit was also striking. Reagan doubled the deficit  to $155 billion and tripled government debt to more than $2 trillion…

      “Not all taxes were treated the same. Payroll taxes were increased. So taxes were cut for higher earners while workers paid more. Corporate and capital gains tax rates were also cut in an earlier outing for current “austerity” policies, the transfer of incomes from labour and the poor to capital and the rich.”

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/27/laffer-curve-tax-cuts-rich-funny

  20. Would someone from the anti-ACA camp please give us a rational explanation of exactly how the ACA is worse than what we had before?  And would someone from the anti-ACA camp please provide a rational proposal to control healthcare costs that is better than ACA?

    Using labels like “job-killing” and ” socialism”  and “liberal” does not amount to a rational explanation.  Labels merely provide a shorthand for expressing an opinion (hopefully a rationally acquired one).  Give us the long version of how you arrived at your opinion.

    Maybe I missed it in all the noise, but can someone from the anti-ACA camp explain why the ACA, which is based on a conservative think-tank’s proposal, previously implemented in Massachusetts by the current Republican candidate, is a “liberal” solution to the issue?  

    1. Good luck getting that explanation.  I asked for one yesterday.  Have yet to see anything.

      1. I don’t think it’s a liberal solution – regardless of who put this through it’s SUBSIDIZED….and subsidies come from the government who get that money from us…sorry I’m tired of paying to help support other people.

        1. Find yourself an island not connected with any country. Buy it. Proclaim yourself a sovereign monarch. Have fun.

        2. But you’re already paying to subsidize other people’s healthcare when they go to the hospital and then don’t pay the bill.  The cost of their care, written off by the hospital, gets added to your bill and to mine.  Hopefully with ACA more people will have insurance, get their care in the proper venue at the proper time (before the illness progresses to the expensive & critical stage) and costs will be lowered for us all.

        3. So tell me…in my 60 year career as a worker who has paid my taxes to the government did I and millions of other working stiffs not help you? Do you; ride the rail system, use  the highway system, go over bridges, mail a letter at the post office, ride an airplane, appreciate or use the police department, the fire department, the public school system, the radio, tv, ever go to a museum, hate homeland security who protects you from the terrorists you despise (who aren’t coming),  or are you a hermit who never leaves your house, who will let it burn if it catches fire rather  than call the government subsidized fire department, or let it be robbed (yeah I know you and your buddy S & W will take care of that), use the telephone or turn on the gas and electricity? Your simple comment is ignorant, shortsighted, mean, and nasty and if I could withhold or get a refund on my portion of the taxes I pay that has helped you for all the years you have lived, I would!

          1. Sure i have but sorry you have never contributed to my food, shelter, clothing, education. If you can’t see the difference between public transportation and Obamacare you really are as ignorant as you sound.

          2. We will never agree but it was nice communicating and I do apologize for my sh—y remarks.
            bb

          3. I did just think of somehing that I would like to correct but of course I might be wrong. Do you buy any meat at the supermarket? Agribiz is one hugely subsidized industry so if you live only on what you hunt then I apologize again but if not I HAVE definitely contributed to your food. BTW I have been self sufficient too and you have not contributed to my shelter or my clothing either. I just want to point out once again that I paid for my MediCare, my drugs and still do and what you have contributed is pennies so I thank you again for that. You have been a hero for taking part in saving me so that I can discuss these things with you and hopefully enlighten you about the most popular program in the country. Since the poll that accompanied this article was not a hotbutton issue such as hunting or trapping I assume that the forces weren’t marshalled to support a particualr point of view and  it is pretty indicative of how folks feel. When I last looked it was 62% in favor of the passage and 39 opposed  Adios, my friend. I am hot tired and snippy today.  

    2. The bottom line is they have no explanation, nor do they have a plan, basically all they have is the wish to make the President a one term President. All the time these pesky pack of pachyderms were in power over the past 35 years they had plenty of time to address healthcare, but they didn’t, they only opposed it every time the subject came up. They lie, twist words, mislabel terms, and call anyone who opposes them a socialist or a commie or tells them to get a job. The only conclusion one can come to is they are hiding, and what they hide is their fascist leanings behind the label of Republican.

    3. As I understand things, the problem with healthcare in this country is costs – unsustainable annual increases that everyone agrees are the root of the problem. Where is the cost containment in this bill? Ok everyone is now covered, and presumably we will all have to contribute. Why the huge tax increases? If the plan is so beneficial why then the waivers and exemptions for various constituencies (Service Employees International Union (SEIU), UFCW Allied Trade Health & Welfare Trust, and IBEW No 915) just to name a few? People who cannot afford insurance the government will provide subsidies to help pay for their insurance? Where are the cost controls for “undocumented people visiting our emergency rooms? Why would an employer burden their HR department with costs and bureaucracy of administering a healthcare plan… simply dump the employees on the State exchanges? I would like to read of any government run plan that did not eventually inflate costs. Look at higher education cost escalation as a result of SLS and other such programs What about Tort reform? My read… yeah we are covered but how are costs going to be contained?

  21. Food for everyone is a “no brainer”
    Safe energy-efficient homes for everyone is a “no brainer”
    New dependable high gas mileage cars.
    Reconstructed infrastructure.
    100% retirement plans at age 55.
    No fee college.
    A government insured job for every working age US citizen.

    Exactly where does this utopian dream end? 

    I’m NOT Tea Party by any stretch of imagination, but I know what I can afford and what must go to the rear burner.  John Roberts in voting with the majority said the “mandated fee” is a tax and that government is permitted to tax citizens.  To me Justice Roberts is saying that private insurance companies now have the authority to tax the public.

    Hold on to your wallets folks.

    1. You’re in favor of starvation for some people? Letting America’s roads and bridges decay?

      Let me guess–you also favor reducing revenues by giving tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires. Those “job creators” who don’t seem to have been very busy creating jobs… Maybe they just need more bribes.

      For the record, I don’t think that health insurance for all Americans is a “utopian dream.” A healthy America would be a strong America.

      1. No Lizzy I do not favor “reducing revenues by giving tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires.” Nor do I favor road decay, and/or starvation in the USA.   I favor single payer no insurance company option (easier and cheaper but no political gain for the honcho..  Obama and his boys wanted a win quick.  Now it is coming back to bite him. 

        I can only hope he is a one term president.  He is a disaster, but no more so than George Bill, or Herbert-Walker,

        1. OK, I favor single payer, too. Since it’s an Obama vs. Romney race, we have a choice between voting Democratic and making some gains in public health, or voting Republican and immediately losing the gains we’ve made thus far. Millions of people suddenly without insurance again, lifetime caps back in place, etc.

          I think President Obama’s done the best job anyone could do, while faced with Republicans who pledged to damage America as much as it would take to derail his presidency. That has been their ONLY goal since he was elected.

          Romney is pledged to stopping health insurance reform in its tracks, and would be dead-set against single payer.

          1.  Obama came into office on a lie.  When he was running against Hill-the-business-shill Clinton, he differentiated his campaign from hers by saying HIS health care plan would have no mandate.  In point of fact, that promise alone may have won him the primaries. He also won with a Democratic lock on congress which he squandered. 

            Obama may be a nice guy, A better family man than Bill Clinton and a more personable guy than George W. Bush, but he is over his head in his current office. 

            I’ll be voting for Romney, simply because he’s not the incumbent. I’ll probably be voting against him in four years for the same reason.  

  22. Lepage is learning that you can’t simply cut your way to prosperity, and while fiscal discipline is always part of the solution, the Governor will now, perhaps, be forced to create more better paying jobs for Mainers if he wants to be able to improve the Maine economy.

    1. He doesn’t care about the Maine economy. He is doing the MasterPlan and then heading to rejoin his wife in Florida. Maybe our next gov will be from Iowa or Utah or Nevada. won’t that be fun? Maine… Open for immigrant-governing.

  23. All government spending is just the result of decisions about which services are best provided through government, rather than the private sector.  Road building and maintenance, police and fire protection, education, and homeland security are all services that the population has agreed to pay for with tax dollars.  Health care should absolutely be a part of that mix.  Can you imagine a country with roads only for those who can afford to hire their own road maintenance crews?  With police service only if you’re able to pay an hourly rate every time you call?  With fire protection only if you can afford to put a hydrant in your front yard?  No, because none of us wants to live in a lawless society where the neighbor’s house fire can blow onto your barn and there’s no road available for the fire trucks to come fight the blaze!  And we don’t want to only educate those whose parents are willing an able to pay for an education, because we want them to grow up and become productive members of society who don’t need public assistance.  Why on earth do we continue to want to pay extra for people who cannot afford insurance to avail themselves of the most expensive health care out there?   Yet this administration would just put more people in that position and call it a savings?  For whom?

  24. In all the health care cuts put forth by the gov. and DHHS and the lawmakers not once have we heard or seen anything about cuts to their insurance plans which are funded, by the taxpayers of maine or any one of their perks cut that would save the taxpayer more money.At least obamas plan came with a tax increase up front and not stuck in the back door like the govs.If maine people need to tighten their belts we should start with the perks of state gov.including the twinkie bill.  

      1. at least obama said his might require tax increase the gov said there would be none.How true is that.Him and his cronies will sneak them in the back door when no one is looking  

  25. how do you like your new tax of about$ 800.00 to a$ 1000.00 a mouth on obome ma heath care like it or not——— and the  AG Holder says my or no way and the bangor news puts it on page 3  should be on front page just like obome ma taxing the people on force heath care—– we have people in high places in washington way over there heads and the president is the big one   

  26. Sigh…I wonder how much longer this country can support this type of activity before it all comes crashing down.

  27. So essentially States will choose if they want to cover the expansion, but if they don’t, individuals who can’t afford health insurance are still taxed? Crazy.

  28. Romney and the republicans have been upset ever since Obama pushed to get Universal health Care for all Americans.  

    He stole my idea, Romney cries, and threatens to kill Obama’s  revised plan “if” elected.  It’s virtually the same plan  Romney pushed when he served as governor of Massachusetts.  It was, in his mind, the best health plan anyone could afford. 

    But things change.  Someone else thought it was a good plan and with a few revisions pushed it through Congress.  But with nothing else to offer us, for more than a year Romney has been threatening death to the Obama Health Plan.

    So what happened?  Romney said his plan was the best.  Obama agreed and Congress agreed, too. Now the Supreme Court agrees.  So where does that leave Romney?  With all of these endorsements, surely he must be  looking at his plan as not being so bad after all?

      1. Please do!!! and repeatedly as you suggest. Please encourage  Patrick Gaspard to continue his tweets as well. You guys are teeing this up beautifully.

  29. There will be glitches, slip-ups and all that goes with a bold shift in any set of programs, but no one ever said joining the rest of the civilized world would be easy. In this move toward a comprehensive  national health insurance scheme, we are pointed in the right direction. 

      1.  You bring up a very important thing that geekslayer and other like him fail to remember or choose not to mention. Many of the people that they demonize by using programs such as SNAP and WIC and section 8 are the elderly and children. From looking at previous post by these tea-party it’s all about me people, you would think that every person who is taking advantage of these programs are criminals who are gaming the system. I don’t know about you but I am sick and tired of that FAUX news BS.  How many times can geekslayer and others be told if you see all this fraud going around REPORT IT! No one , not even a liberal likes a thief, that is why we hate the agenda of the Republican Party, they support the true thieves in the country. The PPACA requires states to set up Health Insurance Exchanges which  will commence operation in each state, offering a marketplace where
        individuals and small businesses can compare policies and premiums, and
        buy insurance (with a government subsidy if eligible). These are private insurance companies that we will be purchasing from if you choose, why is this not a good private/public combination?  For pete sake it was a republican idea that was actually good and now they are trying to make it sound evil because it was not their guy who got it enacted, whatever “L” ‘s.

  30. Wrong again but what else is new?  The Tea Party prefers NO burqas.  Half a TRILLION more in taxes & half a TRILLION taken FROM medicare.  You really think there will not be rationing?  Get real, man.

    1. If President Obama came out in favor of oxygen, Republicans would suffocate themselves. 

  31. The best thing that will happen because of this is GOOD BYE OBAMA. With 2/3’s of our citizens not liking this law, if they all vote in November against Obama, the country will be free of his socialist ideology.

    1. The RepubliCAN’T Party:CAN’T govern
      CAN’T plan a war
      CAN’T tell the truth
      CAN’T stop spending
      CAN’T stop pampering the rich
      CAN’T stop corporate welfare

    2. How will that work? Romney was the designer of the plan. Your better alternative is the one who paved the way for Obama’s identical ideology.

      1. Yes and doesen’t he look the fool standing up there and telling us how bad it is and that he will get it appealed?

        1. Exactly. And how many more minutes/hours/days will it take to realize that their talking point about the mandate being a tax and Obama raising taxes also applies to Romney’s experience as a governor?

  32. Many have missed the bus. This decision is not about health care, or who gets and who doesn’t get healthcare. A precedent has been set. If the Federal goverment wants to regulate commerce they can regualte by calling their agenda a tax.  At least the Superme court upheld  State right to not participate and not be penalized for non-participation. It isn’t a a civil or criminal offense not to pay the “tax”. So when a time comes and I”m without insurance I can just not pay the fine. Maybe some middle class Democrat will pay it for me. Afterall if I don’t have insurance I”m likely out of work or way below my typical salary. If I”m lucky the cost of healthcare will still be more then the fine. So I will just pay the fine and still not have healthcare coverage.

    1. Good thinking. I hope you don’t get sick or are you planning to scam the system and wait until you do get sick and then get it? Or are you on Medicare which btw  has saved my life a couple of times and I thank my lucky stars for my “entitlement’. Which I pay for btw.

      1. Great. Are you sure you pay? Someone already used your funds. The Medicare system will run out of money in 2017, is already in a deficit. Social security trust will be exhausted in 2037. The funds are taken through tax. The excess funds are suppose to be used to pay for future benfits. That doesn’t happen anymore. 51 million people receive social security benefit, 45.2 billion are covered under Medicare. I think that is 67% of the population. With bad economy, high unemployment less people are paying in. Yet we keeping upping the numbers participating in aid programs.

        I pay for my healthcare through private insurance. I pay for cancer, heart attack, accident, dismemberment, long term/short term disability through the private insurance companies. I have no need for aid. I have to watch my weight, not eat junk, exercise, not smoke, and such because my rates go up or they can choose to drop me.

        I”m happy that I and the other citizens helped save your life. What did you do to pay us back? When you got better did you donate money back to the fund? The well off are expected to help, did you help someone else? Maybe you did. If you did you are among the few.

        1. What I did is to pay into the system my whole working life which is over 70 years worth, pay my taxes for all that time to pay for your fire, police, and roads, and continue to pay because I am still working and on top of that I pay 13.6% of my SS to pay for my Medicare and drug part D. If that is not enough I can come up with some more reasons that I am entitled to my entitlement. And thank you for helping me, I appreciate it but I have helped you too as you can see.

  33. I have a question for Tea party/Republicans and those who are against the Affordable Health Plan:

    Q: A 50-something man/woman shows up in the emergency room in full cardiac arrest – if they don’t get treatment they will die.

    They are poor and have no health insurance.

    So the question for all you so called conservatives is simply:

    How should this heart attack victim be treated? 

    I think the choices are:

    Treat their condition OR let them die.

    What would the Tea Party/Republican response be?

    PS – If you your response is “treat them” please indicate how you think the treatment should be paid for.

    Thanks

    1. Treat the person of course! Everyone agrees that the current health care system is broke and needs to be changed… our disagreement is with the scope, costs and overreach of obamacare.  You and LS should get together and write a made for TV movie for the Hallmark channel… the hyperbole is over the top

      1. OK, good answer, now please tell us:

        How will the treatment be paid for?

        If any other conservatives want to respond in kind, please lets us know how you think the uninsured patient’s treatment should be paid for.

        PS geek, You do admit that healthcare is “broken”, could you tell us how the Republicans propose to fix it?

        Thanks!

        1. First: Pay the Hospitals. Second: Tax reform! A previous post had it nailed. Scrap the earned income tax credit. Close corporate tax loopholes, reform Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security and GROW this economy. If that is not doable, consider a consumption tax to generate revenue from the underground economy in this State. Maine gets a double whammy from this crowd… they hide their money for “toys” and sign up for every State program under the sun. This way, we all would not have to lie on our Maine Tax forms on how may internet purchases we made during the year on which we did not pay taxes (Barst excluded of course). BTW: Think of the children next time you check NO on your Maine state return. Allow people to OWN their health care and give them the ability to shop it. Get the freeloaders off of the system much like Lepage did recently here in Maine… Rein in the giveaways. SNAP, EBT cards for smokes WIC, LIHEAP. Identify and document all illegals entering emergency rooms for care… give them the option to purchase health insurance like myself. Hey, if Bloomberg can limit soda sizes… institute a benefits ID system linked to ones Drivers license. All people entering a casino, purchasing scratch offs etc. would have their driver’s license scanned to determine if they are receiving benefits. Since Illegals often purchase fake Driver’s license or in the case of some State’s have one issued to them, we could make sure that these folks have purchased health care. While I’m at it… Have this same system in place at Town Office’s in Maine. When the healthy30 year old guy walks in to register his new side by side scan his license. Hey buddy, why are you getting an EBT card?

          1. Thanks for the reply.

            My first reaction is that many of your points – close tax loopholes, pay hospitals, tax reform, etc., are fine ideas and stand on their own merit, and don’t necessarily need to be related to healthcare reform.

            My second reaction is that if you make healthcare reform contingent on all your conditions, we’ll never get healthcare reform. And it certainly doesn’t speak to the issue of the uninsured heart attack victim who needs help right now. I mean, if you insist on reforming SS, a lot of people will die before they get treatment, right? You have not answered my question of who pays for those patients right now.

            Also you did not address my question of what the Republican plan for healthcare reform is. I think you gave me your plan. I understand that problem because other than scrap the Affordable Healthcare Act, the Republicans have no plan.

            I support single payer universal healthcare, so the current reform proposal is inadequate in my view. But I do think that finally, someone is at least TRYING to do something about what you agree is a broken system.

            Geek, I would ask you that instead of joining your party’s desire to repeal this bill, you work to improve it. We agree – for different reasons, I think – that the bill is flawed, but it is a first step. I hope you find enough good in the bill – and there is plenty of good – to support it enough to make it better.

            Thanks again for your thoughtful reply – you’re the only conservative that responded – and have a good weekend.

        2. How did we survive for 200 years? We all agree that we should treat emergencies and help those who cannot afford to pay for their own coverage. The problem is with the mandated coverages for things like contraceptives, gym memberships, holistic treatments, sex changes, plastic surgery, pre-natal care (for men), etc. People should have to pay for some of the things they want. Like car insurance, health insurance should be there to cover the big things, not the little things. Politicians continuously try to please everyone by giving stuff away. Well we can’t afford it anymore. 

          1. You’d probably be less angry if you got your news from reliable sources and stopped listening to fringe-right paranoia pundits.

  34. If the rich and powerful hate this decision whats not to like about it? The bottom 90% of Americans finally WON one !!

  35. It makes me laugh to see the wingers with their nickers in a twist. All claiming how this will be the end of civilization if folks get healthcare they so badly need.

    Our daughter lives in Mass. She’s got RomneyCare and loves it, it’s affordable and meets her needs and her employer pays for it. Both are pleased with how well it is working out.

    So it really calls into question the pathetic pack of puke peddlers who profess to know differently?

  36. The only real surprise is that  Scalia didn’t support fellow conservative Judge Roberts on this issue. 
    Scalia   recently said  that Congress can do just about anything to enforce Federal laws as long as they can in some way be adapted to it’s commerce clause authority.  
      Scalia gave this opinion in the Gonzales v. Raich case where nothing was even being bought or sold.

  37. This is a move forward instead of a return to the stone age. I never thought I would say thank you to Justice Roberts, but thank you. To John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Eric Cantor, etc. who must be sick to their stomachs today, please repeal the obomination (sp?) Citizens United if you needso badly to repeal something, not a law that helps millions of Americans, regulates the corruption in the insurance industry, denies the denial of pre existing conditions, does not let children and seniors and btw everyone else die because of caps on what they will pay so they can make billions off our illnesses.   This is doable and in the end will benefit all if those is congress  who we really should get rid of lock stock and barrel would be willing to sit down with a black dude and make a great beginning into an amazing plan that America can be proud of and we all know we need something to redeem ourselves.  Oops! I said the race word but I know in my gut I am right.

  38. to all those whining about Obamacare…..remember they where saying the same things about medicare and medicaid when it came out I think in 1964 or sometime and we survived

    to all those cheering about obamacare…. remember that the republicans have pledged to dismantle it.

    To all those whining about the individual mandate….the government makes us pay taxes, states make us pay taxes and have auto insurance and banks make you have insurance on any major loan (car,house, boat) colleges make you have insurance if you want to live on campus and so on and so

    although I think Obamacare is not the fix but I have to agree it is the step in the right direction.  At least we are trying something and maybe the lessons we learn from this can lead to something better.

  39. So looking forward to this — found out just this year that my insurance is going up 11% this makes weekly payment of 240.00 a week for me and my kids (I work full-time)…I found out today that with Obama Care I can look forward to another rate increase and higher taxes to cover those that don’t work….WoW how nice — can hardly wait!

  40. ACA/ObamaCare/ObamaTax will Double the Federal Deficit and Double Maine’s Health Care Costs.  

    Only fix 4 ObamaCare/ACA is repeal:  Are Angus King and C. Dill ready to sign the repeal pledge??  NOT 

  41. I am paying in to Medicare, and am unable to use it.  Since a large part of your local property tax goes to pay public school employees health insurance premiums (Anthem), why not just have education staff be insured through Medicare- think of the potential savings in local property taxes.

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