The modern-day oil boom in the western U.S. and Canada is fueling interest in shipping crude oil by rail across Maine to a refinery in the Maritimes.
But the prospect of long trains of oil-filled tanker cars rumbling through Maine also has state environmental officials concerned, particularly in the wake of a recent derailment that sent several tanker cars of nonhazardous materials tumbling into the Penobscot River. As a result, state officials are reviewing their spill response strategies and making other preparations.
“It definitely got my attention with 104 rail cars of crude coming through the state,” Barbara Parker, head of the Maine Department of Environmental Protection’s hazardous materials response team, said in reference to a recent oil shipment.
Pan Am Railways and Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railways are both exploring the feasibility of moving vast amounts of crude to an Irving Oil refinery in St. John, New Brunswick. Pan Am’s rail network was used to successfully deliver the first shipment of 100-plus tanker cars in late May, and MMA reportedly plans to follow suit soon.
The shipments are viewed as a potential financial windfall for railroads battling to maintain shipping volume. And for Irving, it is a chance for the New Brunswick-based refinery to tap into the massive amounts of oil flowing from wells in North Dakota and the controversial tar sands of Alberta, Canada.
Cynthia Scarano, executive vice president at Pan Am, said changes in the energy market have sharply decreased the tonnage of coal carried by the railway elsewhere on its network. So in order to achieve the shipping volume needed to remain profitable and maintain its work force, Pan Am is shifting its gaze from coal to oil.
“Pan Am is currently trying to expand its shipping base and there are a lot of new products that we are looking at, crude [oil] being one of them,” Scarano said. The expansions could allow Pan Am to add several additional 15-person crews, she said.
Irving officials did not return calls seeking comment, and an MMA representative declined to discuss the potential crude shipments.
Trains hauling potential pollutants and hazardous materials regularly rumble across Maine, unbeknownst to or unnoticed by many people and nearly always without incident. And federal interstate commerce laws protect those shipments from possible disruption whether by individuals, organizations or local governments opposed to the materials.
“That’s why it is interstate commerce,” said Nathan Moulton, director of the Maine Department of Transportation’s rail division. “If it wasn’t, you would have a town that would stop [the shipment] and you’d never be able to get anything from A to Z.”
Because it is a natural product, crude oil, or oil that has not yet been refined, is not technically considered a hazardous material. But due to its hazardous components and potential to cause long-lasting environmental damage when spilled, crude and other oils are strictly regulated and require specially trained response teams. And crude oil spills must be reported to the state.
Rail industry groups point out that shipping dangerous and hazardous materials by rail is the safest route — with 99.997 percent of hazmat delivered in 2009 without a release caused by a train accident, according to the Association of American Railroads. Rail accidents involving hazardous materials are down by 90 percent since 1980, the association said.
For that reason, rail is often the only allowable means of transportation under federal law for some of the most dangerous materials, such as chlorine and other chemicals that can be deadly when vaporized. As so-called “common carriers,” larger railroads also are prohibited from refusing to carry hazardous materials.
But as last month’s Pan Am derailment in Bucksport shows, train accidents do happen. And while the vast majority of accidents cause little more than a disruption to rail traffic, state environmental officials are taking an interest in what the shipments of large amounts of unrefined oil could mean to Maine.
“The transportation of crude oil across rail lines is a concern because many times, rail lines are very close to sensitive water bodies,” said Scott Whittier, director of the Maine Department of Environmental Protection’s oil and hazardous waste facilities division. “So it does present a potential threat that we need to prepare for.”
Those preparations include ensuring both DEP staff and other agencies are trained to respond to large oil spills along rail lines. DEP staffers are already trained to handle spills from the sea-going tankers and pipelines that feed or leave Portland, the second-largest oil import terminal on the East Coast. The department also is reviewing the solvency of a state oil spill response fund paid for with a fee charged on every barrel of any type of oil imported into Maine.
Parker, who is director of the DEP’s division of response services, said department staff regularly handle oil spills due to Maine’s reliance on heating oil. DEP staff also spent several weeks on the Gulf Coast helping with the response to the BP Deepwater Horizon spill.
But the so-called “tar sands oil” from Alberta is much heavier and grittier than conventional crude.
“So we have been looking at that,” Parker said. “It would be a different type of response than the lighter crude coming out of North Dakota.”
The Federal Railroad Administration’s online database of railway safety information does not contain specific data for accidents involving oil spills but does show accidents involving hazardous materials. And those statistics show that the nation’s railroads transport hazardous materials with relatively few incidents.
Nationwide in 2011, 664 hazmat cars derailed or were damaged and just 66 of those cars released materials, according to federal rail safety reports. That is on a network of railroads that logged nearly 730 million miles that year.
Since 2002, Pan Am has reported two hazmat releases from cars operating throughout their territory while MMA has reported three.
The May 29 train derailment that sent several Pan Am tanker cars over an embankment in Bucksport and into the Penobscot River was not a major incident by environmental standards, although it was a logistical challenge to clean up.
It is now believed that less than 1,000 gallons of a nonhazardous, synthetic latex chemical as well as some clay slurry leaked into the Penobscot River, home to the only sizable spawning run of Atlantic salmon left in the United States and other endangered species.
But had the three diesel-powered locomotives riding immediately in front of the derailed cars gone into the river — or had the tankers been carrying less benign chemicals, as many trains in Maine do — the situation could have been far worse. The locomotives, for instance, can each carry thousands of gallons of diesel.
“We are extremely fortunate that this was not a hazardous material or an oil spill,” Samantha DePoy-Warren, a DEP spokeswoman, said several days after the incident.
Derailments are, unfortunately, simply a part of business for railroads — always have been and always will be, absent major technological changes. Trains “jump tracks” for myriad reasons.
Metal rails crack, split or buckle. Heavy rains or floods wash out the underlying gravel or cause the wooden ties to shift. Couplers linking cars together fail or are improperly adjusted. And a conductor who drives the locomotive too fast, brakes too abruptly or causes the train to lurch can easily trigger a derailment.
There were six derailments in Maine last year and five in 2010 that were serious enough to require reporting to the Federal Railroad Administration, the division of the U.S. Department of Transportation that oversees rail safety and enforcement. But figures fluctuate from year to year, ranging from 11 derailments reported in 2006 to just four two years later.
The majority of derailments in Maine happen on lines operated by Pan Am and Montreal, Maine & Atlantic, respectively the largest and second-largest rail shippers in the state. The vast majority of derailments were relatively minor incidents without spills or injuries, but others were more problematic.
In April 2006, for instance, three Pan Am cars loaded down with paper jumped the rails in Bangor and tipped into the Penobscot. The contents of some of the cars later caught fire when crews attempted to cut open and empty them. As a result, enormous piles of soggy paper that came to be known locally as “spitball mountain” sat on the banks of the Penobscot for months and resulted in paper waste drifting downstream.
The Federal Railroad Administration collects reams of safety and accident-related data. Comparing companies’ safety records is difficult, however, because of the diversity in the industry.
For example, two railroads may each report hauling freight over 1 million miles in a year. But the federal data would not differentiate between the complexity of the company’s operations that would affect the likelihood of an incident, such as one company hauling 5-car trains and the other hauling trains with 100 cars.
In 2011, Montreal, Maine & Atlantic had a train accident rate of 10 accidents per million train miles throughout the company’s network, compared with a rate of 3.7 at Pan Am and a national average of 2.8 accidents per million train miles.
Over the past decade, Montreal, Maine & Atlantic has consistently had higher accident rates than Pan Am. But MMA president Robert Grindrod said the way the federal agency calculates accident rates — by per million train miles — inflates his company’s numbers because their trains only traveled 200,000 miles last year. So if MMA only had one reportable accident it would show up as five under the per-million-miles measurement, he said.
Instead, Grindrod pointed to the fact that MMA has not had any reportable accidents on its main line during the past three years. Both of MMA’s derailments last year happened in rail yards.
“It isn’t a problem,” Grindrod said of hauling potentially hazardous substances. “We follow very rigorous safety procedures regarding our track, regarding our trains and regarding the materials within our trains.”
Representatives at both the Federal Railroad Administration and the Maine Department of Transportation — which oversees rail to a much lesser extent than the federal government — declined to comment on individual companies’ safety records.
Rob Kulat, spokesman for the Federal Railroad Administration in Washington, D.C., said his agency only enforces the laws and does not speculate on companies’ safety records.
Although the federal agency does conduct its own track inspections, the vast majority of that responsibility is left to the railroads themselves.
“The primary duty of FRA’s 90 federal track safety inspectors, along with 30 certified state inspectors, is to strategically monitor track conditions to determine whether a railroad is complying with federal safety standards,” states a fact sheet from the agency.
Federal rules require most mainline tracks to be inspected weekly and sometimes two or three times a week if the track is rated to carry passengers or freight at higher speeds. But railroads also can change their class or speed rating without receiving approval from or even notifying the Federal Railroad Administration.
Kulat said track inspection reports from individual railroads are available to the public but must be requested under the Freedom of Information Act, a process that typically takes several weeks.
Inspections are most commonly performed by railroad company crews that ride the rails in specially designed pickup trucks. Federal regulators, in addition to doing their own periodic inspections, use the company reports to perform inspection audits.
Scarano, the executive vice president at Pan Am, said that in addition to the weekly inspections by crews on trucks, her company checks each stretch of track at least twice a year using a machine that essentially x-rays the rails for structural defects.
“At Pan Am, safety is our No. 1 priority,” Scarano said.
Nevertheless, accidents still happen.
Track conditions have been the primary cause of 13 of Pan Am’s 20 federally reported derailments since 2006, according to data contained on the Federal Rail Administration safety website. The most frequent track problems involved broken rails, misaligned tracks or switch problems, according to federal documents.
Track conditions were the primary cause of 10 of Montreal, Maine & Atlantic’s 19 derailments during that time.
Railroads also are required to submit detailed reports to the Maine Department of Environmental Protection on spills or other incidents that occur anywhere on the company’s property, whether on the tracks or in the railyard.
Pan Am Railways is subjected to additional reporting scrutiny following an August 2007 incident at the company’s Rigby Yard in South Portland that also garnered the company a $475,000 fine.
According to the DEP, a substantial amount of oil emanating from the rail yard operated by Portland Terminal Company — a Pan Am subsidiary — contaminated the city’s stormwater system and Calvary Pond. The spills, which were believed to have taken place over time, presented a threat to groundwater and other local water bodies, the department stated.
A subsequent consent agreement negotiated between the DEP and Pan Am required the railroad to put down absorbent “track mats” in areas where locomotives were parked, idled, fueled or serviced. The agreement also put additional pressure on Pan Am to immediately report — and begin to clean — any spilled oil.
Since then, Pan Am has reported roughly 300 spills of lube oil, hydraulic oil or other types of oil to the DEP, the overwhelming majority of which involve quantities of one gallon or less, and sometimes as little as one one-hundredth of a gallon. In 2010, however, a ruptured fuel tank on a derailed locomotive leaked 2,800 gallons of diesel in the railroad’s Waterville railyard.
Pan Am’s Scarano pointed out that most of what is reported are equipment leaks or spills rather than tanker spills. She declined to comment specifically on any changes in company practices since the Rigby Yard case or on a 2006 diesel spill at a Massachusetts railyard that resulted in a judge levying a $500,000 criminal fine against the company.
“We work closely with the agencies,” Scarano said. “We notify them … and we take it very seriously.”
Looking ahead to the possibility of additional crude coming through Maine by rail, DEP staff said the shipments could be a positive development, benefiting the railroads as well as other industries.
“But we definitely need to be prepared,” said Parker with the DEP’s hazmat team.



It makes more sense than an E-W highway to accomplish the same thing.
Agree Hopperdredge and it is a much better use of the State’s existing privatization statute..why not use Irvings interest in getting Canadian crude to its canadian maritimes refineries by having Irving invest with Maine in Upgrade of the railroad so that it can safely carry these tankers.?
If we could upgrade the rail, which the state already owns ( doesn’t it) then we’d really be going somewhere meanigful with creating Maine jobs. moving Maine goods..
In the CanAm report which Vigue so often quotes ( or misquotes since what he says his not what they say) the asphalt lobby’s East West Highway fosters a continued dependence of traucking whih the report says is the main reason both the maritimes and northern Maine are so disadvatantaged in trade. The report says dependence on trucks adds as much as 46% to the cost of goods leaving Maine. Saving an hour off the first 10 hour leg of a cross country journey doesn’t begin to offset that.
Shippimg by rail and wherever possible by ship is what will give us trade advantage..so says the Can Am report who also see rail as the path to wisdom and prosperity for northern Maine.
http://www.canamconnections.com/
Lindsay, you really need to get that espresso machine fixed !!!! :}
??? Sorry..I thought you would be interested as use of IsNetWolrd by all these energy/petrochemical companies coming into Maine may mean those local jobs everuone anticipates won’t be there either during construction or during ongoing operations.
I would be seriously be asking the Maine State Buildng Trade’s Council (AFL-CIO) folks as to just how many of their people are, if ever, gonna get a shot at any of these job’s. Cianbro has a track record of using, at every opportunity and turn, Canadian labor on the basis that they supposedly have specific skills’ that U.S. worker’s ‘just dont have or are equiped to learn for this tpe of work’ and, gee can we all see this coming, as if by coincidence, can pay them far lower wage’s. As far as ISNetWorld, well, you got me there. But I would be hardpressed for Cianbro to show me just what skill set the U.S. workforce doesn’t have that justify’s them screwing the very State, and PUBLIC WORKFORCE, that has cut them an unholy amount of tax, and environmental, leeway in order for them set up shop here in Maine. Turning a bolt or welding steel is not rocket science and Cianbro knows it. What would be interesting is for the ICE folk’s to come down and start looking at any H-1 or 2 permit’s on their job site’s. Same for the Irvng folk’s.
It’s about time that the business community started supporting the very PUBLIC WORKFORCE that they depend on to make a profit. See, P-R-O-F-I-T, and no one dried up and blew away. But profit needs to be seen, and earned, over time, not a ‘flash in the pan’ moment. We all saw that with ENRON and what happened to California’s power grid and the rate’s that California homeowner’s, AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, had to pay.
whew!! We are still on the same page..that’s good to know.
And yes, a critical point in all these deals the state cooks up and gives away tax credits for..it all should be tied to permanent Maine jobs actually produced..not promised
The Summit energy takeover will involve something like $50 million in tax credits and exemptions from the communities to be served..the Cate Street project which didn’t end up saving or re-creating a single mill job is now seeking $30 million or so in tax credits or other state aid.
The asphalt lobby’s E/W highway will inolve all kinds of public concessions and public help including at least a $30 million expenditure for an improved border crossing at Coburn Gore..The legislature and every Maine agency has to be more focused on rewarding only actual Maine jobs created especially when giving away needed taxe dollars ( in the form of exemptions and credits) .
But we are of the topic..this very important topic is why the existing e/w rail row should be developed for high speed high volume loads and how much better for Maine that focus would be than all this hooplah and kow towing to the asphalt lobby.
Mike, do you have any statistics about how many Mainers are employed by Cianbro compared to how many Canadians they employ? If Cianbro employs Canadians “at every opportunity and turn” as you claim, then one would think that the company is overrun with Canadian workers. But you seem to be the only person making that claim. Here’s what one of the Cianchettes said in May to the Morning Sentinel:
~With more than 2,400 employees, Cianbro has a strong presence as far away as Maryland and Texas. Cianchette emphasized that every company job site has a significant number of Mainers on the payroll. “One recent project in Maryland had 1,200 workers, and 400 were from Maine,” Cianchette said.~
Maybe the problem you have with Cianbro is that you are a union man, and they are a non-union company. Is it possible that when Cianbro hires non-union workers from Maine, you don’t consider those workers to be Mainers? Another interesting point that I’ve heard: On job sites that are controlled by unions, the union bosses would rather bring in union workers from out-of-state rather than allow those jobs to go to non-union Maine workers. Is that true? And if so, how does that fit into your theory of “Mainers First” when it comes to employment?
You say it’s about time that “the business community support the very PUBLIC WORFORCE that they depend on to make a profit.” But people such as yourself appear to be the first and loudest when it comes to denouncing a business plan that could put an army of Maine workers into good paying jobs.
Also, as a matter of curiosity: How many Mainers have you employed in your lifetime, and what is your plan to provide improved opportunities for Maine’s working people, union or non-union?
Lindsay, if it costs businesses 46% more to ship by trucks rather than trains, then why do businesses avoid using trains and choose trucks instead? There must be a very compelling reason.
Hi Brandon..I was quoting the Can Am Report by Transportation experts Wilbur & Associates ( done in 2010 for the State DOT)..it is not an area I have much knowledge about.. I can’t see why any one in the Northeast and the maritimes would use trucling if rail were available.
In Maine at the moment it really isn’t. The tracks are not in great shape and there are very few runs at the moment. To be a viable within Maine altetrantive some money would have to be put in and that was my initial point. That if JD Irving wants to get tar sand or crude across Maine by rail..it would be great if we would be a co-investor in upgrading the rail road.
You question is a good one. My sennse is that there is a big truckers lobby intereseted in asphalt alternatives and certainly that is a part of the asphalt lobby behind the E/W Highway.
The math is simple though Brandon..When trucks are adding 46% to the price of everything leaving the notheren counties and the maritimes by truck does it make sense to you that carving an hour off the trip across Maine ( and at an exorbitant price no less) could really even begin to make a dent in that 46% added to cost? Let alone be the key to Maine’s reconomic revival? It jusy dorsn’t hold up to even the most elementary scrutiny.
Important to note that in this official post peak oil economy, the price of fuel for trucks will just keep going up and up and up so that 46% added to cost will only become greater and greater. At the moment under U.S. Law not Maine law tar snads cannot be used for fuel for cars or trucks ( too much emission). The price o fuel that is allowed will continue to increase .
Trucks and asphalt are not the answer to Maine’s future..rail might help us alot if we could get some attention paid to upgrading our existing rail instead of fooling around with the asphalt lobby’s dying gasps.
Hi Lindsay… trucks are adding 46 percent, and still businesses choose trucks over rail. I believe that is a significant fact. Here is a potential explanation from former MDOT Commissioner John Melrose, as told to the Portland Press Herald:
~Former MDOT Commissioner John Melrose, a transportation sector lobbyist, noted that trucks have a critical advantage. “Our economies have moved in recent decades to a ‘just in time’ model, where there’s a lot of pressure to be able to call up a factory and have X number of widgets delivered in three days,” he said. “Rail can’t do that, at least as it is configured in Maine. Rail ends up with high volume, low-sensitivity cargos.”~
Also, wouldn’t truckers save fuel driving the more direct route through Maine rather than ascending northward across the top of Maine? Conserving fuel in a post peak oil economy, perhaps significant amounts of fuel depending on how much traffic utilizes the highway, would seem to be a worthy goal. Also, won’t the price of diesel fuel for trains keep going up and up, too, in the competition with trucking? I’m also curious about why the rails in Maine are in such poor shape. If the rails are key to the prosperity of the rail companies, and key to their ability to compete against trucking, how could these companies allow the rails to deteriorate to the deplorable condition that we now see? It seems akin to an airline allowing the landing gear to fall off of its airplanes. Could it be that the rail companies have simply lost the competition for freight that has been ongoing between rail and trucking for generations?
Perhaps it is time to have a conversation about “just in time” vs “sensible sustainability.” Why should corporate practices or economic efficiencies be so sacrosanct? Corporate governance rules are well known to be seriously flawed and the very real efforts to make them better are fought against tooth and nail by those that benefit the most from their weaknesses. The economics of “just in time” is not necessarily economically sound when TRUE COSTS of the practice are figured into the larger picture. That takes more enlightened, less profit-driven thinking to imagine however. And there could very well be NEW ways of doing business that accomplish the same goals without some of the problems unsustainable business practices impose on society.
One benefit of “just in time” delivery is the reduction of the necessity, and hence the cost, of maintaining huge and expensive warehouse facilities. Reducing that cost allows a business to be more competitive. Again, it sounds as though the folks who would fight trucking and highways in favor of more “sustainable” but sloth-like railroads, for example, are willing to saddle Maine businesses with restrictions and costs that make the firms less competitive, thus potentially driving the companies out of business and leaving Mainers with fewer jobs, higher unemployment, out-migrating youth, a death rate that is higher than the birth rate, etc. Can you give an example of the more enlightened, less profit-driven thinking that allows sustainability as well as strengthening Maine businesses in a cutthroat world?
It is a hopeful sign that Maine DEP acknowledges the difference that “dilbit,” or diluted bitumen, the product being shipped or piped out of the Alberta Tar Sands projects poses compared to normal crude oil. Now they MUST acknowledge the difference in what it takes to clean it up WHEN spills occur.
Nearly 1mil gals of dilbit were dumped into the Kalamazoo River in Michigan and nearly two years later and at close to $1 BILLION in cost for clean up so far, and STILL NO END IN SIGHT, this is NOT your typical crude oil.
Bitumen is highly viscous tar, nearly dry in some cases. In order to pipe it anywhere it is diluted with a proprietary (read, “secret”) mix of benzene, natural gas distillates, toluene, other hydrocarbons and chemicals. Many of these chemicals are toxic and very volatile and when exposed to air evaporate off. The remaining substance in water SINKS… unlike other grades of crude oil that generally float and can be contained with booms, bitumen sinks making clean up extremely difficult and costly.
The hazards presented to clean up crews, first responders, the general public over the long term in the area of a spill and to the environment from a SECRET MIX of chemicals OUGHT to give the public serious pause.
The Alberta Tars Sands mining operations are being conducted in an area with potential to strip mine or otherwise disrupt the Alberta landscape equal to the land mass of the country of FRANCE. The emissions that contribute to global climate change from the mining processes used are many times those of normal crude oil production. The amount of water necessary to process one barrel of tar sands oil is from 2 to 6 barrels of water; the resulting fouled water is dumped into holding ponds that can be seen from space… and they leak into the Athabasca River causing cancer rates in downstream towns and hamlets to spike to levels many times higher than otherwise occur. All of this is exhaustively documented.
But the powers that be in Canada and the US ignore these results…
Plus it takes 2 gallons of natural gas to “crack” 1 gallon of tar sands…
sdemetri..excellent and informative post..thank you ..
Thanks. Here is a good article on my blog that covers some of this also:
http://sdemetri.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/the-spill-from-hell/
Thanks, sdemetri..I will definitely read it. It is important to have reliable factural iformation available here in our blog community. Thnak you for being here.
“The sky is falling! The sky is falling!” Anything that has to do with any form of oil, anywhere, is going to be problematic for people like you. I invite you to return to a time when our world was not powered by energy dense resources. Enjoy your hovel with NO amenities!
No, the issue in my statement isn’t “the sky is falling…” Global climate change IS one of the most important challenges facing humankind, but arguments over the facts surrounding that are more often than not lost on that very small minority of vocal know-nothings that claim otherwise… I won’t get into that with you or anyone else… not worth the energy. Sing that tune to your own choir if you are so inclined.
Hyperbole is not a good platform to argue from. My statement above is factual and without exaggeration… If you want to debate the facts, fine. If you want to tell me I’m saying something that I’m not, I won’t play that game with you. Making a hyperbolic argument that dodges the substantive issues raised in my statement is just a front for not having anything better to say.
If it means less big rigs on the highway, I’m all for it.
Maine better get ready for major oil spills all over the state. The RR Track conditions through out the state are poor to dangerous. The tracks have been neglected for years now. Derailments seem to occur, even at 5 MPH. I don’t like using tractor trailers for transporting oil however at least DOT has forced the companies to maintain their trucks. Maine’s rails are in very poor, neglected condition. Maine is asking for a disaster.
For once you are right they are very poor .
I have to agree, first time she ever posted something correct…LOL
Not to take a swipe at the railroad’s but we are getting a big preview of what’s going to happen if there’s a spill, of any type, on the proposed E-W Highway, with ONE HUGE EXCEPTION ! Due to the wording of the Act, and Cianbro has been mysteriously silent on this, MAINE HAS NO AUTHORITY TO ACT ON ANY SPILL ON THE HIGHWAY ITSELF, only the run off onto Maine itself. Anyone wanna bet who’s gonna be the one’s picking up the bill for this one when all is said and done ? If there was ever a reason for the Legislature to go and re-visit this I, for one, can’t think of a better reason why. Rail can be managed. Simple, known procedures, and time consuming but it can be managed from both experience and history. The highway, on the other hand, is gonna depend on emergency services for this tpe of response to come at it from which ever end of the Highway is closer to the border, since that’s where all the equipment is gonna’ have to be staged from.
Excellent point Mike ( Plus excuse this off topic post on your favorite theme of jobs and labor.I just learned that DCP ( the Searsport Tank People) , Buckeye who just bought the portlannd bangor pipeline and Summit who bought Kennebec Gas all hire strictly from a pre-qulaified list via ISNetWorld ..I also understand it is very very very difficult to pass muster ISNet World. Not clear how many Maine companies, if any, are already pre qualified.)
You have got to love the extent of the Vigue’s deception as he said that this corridor will not be a Pipeline!
2 00 miles of continuous Individual Tanker Trucks may not be a “Pipeline ” but the effect is Roughly the Same or worse.
Dlbrt, you define a line of trucks as a pipeline, whereas Vigue and most other human beings define a line of trucks as a line of trucks, and then you accuse him of deception. It makes me wonder who is really being deceptive here.
Transportation of Crude oil is the common denominator , Lets not forget that Omission of fact is still a Lie.
Thats why the Oath Goes,
I promise to tell the Truth, the Whole Truth, and Nothing but the Truth.
His responce to questions regarding the corridor should have been that the Main reason for this shortcut across Maine from Canadian Highway system point A to Canadian Highway Sytem point B is the transportation of Canadian Crude oil and the supplies needed for fracking in the Canadian oil fields, rather than a Fairy Tale about Canadian Vacationers Bringing Economic Growth and Prosperity to Maine Buisnesses, and another reason for the road to bring goods to the Midwestern United States and vise versa.
As far as my comment being deceptive, lets look at it!
{ 2 00 miles of continuous Individual Tanker Trucks may not be a “Pipeline ” but the effect is Roughly the Same or worse.}
Huh! Looks like I said that it May ” NOT ” Be a Pipeline! But the” Effect ” is roughly the same.
The Effect being Transportation of Crude oil across Maine.
And transportation of crude (if that actually ever occurs) would be the only thing transported on this highway? Milk is transported by trucks on Route 2. Does that make Route 2 a milk pipeline? Heating oil is transported down Main Street in Bangor. Does that make Main Street a heating oil pipeline? Maybe you should be writing letters to the Bangor City Council and Bangor Police, accusing them of lies, for having falsely stated that Main Street is a street.
Mike, are you saying that humankind has not developed the technology to handle a truck spill? Do you truly believe that adequate services can’t be organized and put into place to handle accidents that might occur on a highway, despite the fact that these services have been provided successfully for generations? Some folks might argue that the private sector, which you criticize, is MORE competent than the government to provide these services. Your own highly derogatory assessment of the government would seem to suggest this conclusion.
E/W Highway..6 exits ..220 miles..so far Vigue has avoiided the many questions citizens have asked about emergency response in general let alone a haz mat response……
Actually, I believe the number is eight exits, according to Vigue’s presentation in Dover Foxcroft. But let’s use six exits for sake of argument. That averages out to a little over 36 miles between exits. It’ll be more distance in some cases, of course, and less in others. But really, is 36 miles out of the realm of safety when dealing with a truck spill? Is it any more of a challenge than reaching a derailed train in the middle of the Maine wilderness? Also, what is to prevent planners from setting up public safety headquarters along the route, where emergency vehicles can be stationed? Such a plan might even provide a number of extra jobs.
By the way, I don’t think Vigue is avoiding the question. He talked about it at Dover Foxcroft in response to a citizen’s question, and the gist of his answer was that the distances between emergency facilities would not be unreasonable.
One if by Land,
Two if by Sea,
Makeing US the Colon for Canada,
Is NOT for Me.
Pipelines are safer.
Until they break and the safety valve’s fails and the pumping house operator is asleep!
The Montreal/Portland has operated safely for 70 years. What’s your point?
Simple. It’s called due dilligence and foreseeable event contingency planning. It’s what BP was supposed to do in the Gulf before the platform blew. It’s what the DEP is supposed to be doing. It’s what Maine’s EMA is supposed to be doing. And it’s going to start being asked of Cianbro when this E-W Highway is started, if it ever does.
{The Montreal/Portland has operated safely }
So did the Nuke Plant in Japan.
Life sucks then you die. So what’s your point?
And lightning strikes, during a tornado and a volcanic eruption. Good grief.
Blah blah blah……..and environmentalists start to worry, what’s new.
That My Friend was an honest to goodness Real Life Learned Experiance!
And I was the Operator!
WoW ! My but is still sore from the lick’n!
Machinery that runs like a clock for years and years lures you into a false sense of security and an unexpected containable event turns into a disaster of epic proportion.
Union man, I knew it!
A healthier Pan Am will help the state. Makes sense to me.
More freight means more money for track maintenance.
We need a refinery at Sears Island.
What are you going to refine, Bath Salts or Meth?
Maybe if the idiots had kept there mouths shut about the pipeline out West; there wouldn’t be the need to have trains carrying crude oil across Maine.
ENVIROWMENTIAL RESEARCH. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A RESEARCH GROUP THAT IS SCARED OF THERE OWN SHADOW. TAKE A LOOK AT TRACK SYSTEM. IF IT DOES PASS INSPECTION IT IS OK TO SHIP OIL. DON’T STOP GROWTH ON A MAYBE.MAINE NEEDS JOBS ANYTHING TO GET PEOPLE TO WORK. LET THE RAILROAD CREW DO IT’S JOB.
All fine and dandy. Question. Is there any reason that has stopped the RRs from maintaining their tracks? I have yet to hear of a Federal or State regulator telling the RR operators that they are barred from performing maintenence on their rail lines.
MONEY it is all about money. It costs money to maintain RR Racks and a lot of it. The faster the train the better the tracks have to be. New rails, new ties, new rock and gravel, mega tons of it. Welding the tracks together for the more faster trains. All money. None has been spent in years by all the owners of Maine’s RR Tracks. The tracks are in decay and neglect. The Feds should shut down all rail in Maine until all of the tracks have been inspected and upgraded.
Yep, it’s only a matter of time before we have a big spill in Calais. The line to the Baileyville paper mill runs right over the aquifer for the cities water supply.
If what somebody says in true that these cars are only being moved in Calais at 5 mph you will never have a spill. These care are designed to withstand crashes of up to 60 mph without leaking. The most it will do is just tip over.
Well said. The roads in Maine suck and how do people think they get their gasoline and heating oil delivered. It ain’t piped in.
Well said. The roads in Maine suck, how do people think they are getting their gasoline and heating oil? It ain’t piped in.
Forget the environmentalists and their worries. The Maine Public better worry since the RR tracks of Maine have been in disrepair and neglected for many years now. Guess it will take a derailment and a major tragedy to wake the people of Maine. Danger of Derailments, fires and explosions of oil and other chemical rail cars in ones home town. Might as well use barges, past few derailments the rail cars ended up in the Penobscot River not on the tracks.
Remember this story, and crude crossing Maine
More people die in police shootings than in train derailments — of course those are all “justified”.
The
number of fatalities from departments across the country caused by
firearms made 2011 one of the deadliest years in recent history for
U.S. law enforcement.
Across
the nation, 173 officers died in the line of duty, up 13 percent from
153 the year before, according to numbers as of Wednesday compiled by
the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund.
The
nonprofit group that tracks police deaths also reported that 68
federal, state and local officers were killed by gunfire in 2011, a
15 percent jump from last year when 59 were killed. It marks the
first time in 14 years that firearms fatalities were higher than
traffic-related deaths. The data shows that 64 officers died in
traffic accidents, down from the 71 killed in 2010.
By
GREG BLUESTEIN Associated Press , The Associated Press –
Safety precautions are valid and important but environmentalist zeal on every issue has crippled our economy. Environmentalists never offer cost saving alternatives like water power (oh no the fishies) or nuclear power (proven safety record but much maligned over misplaced fear). Wind power is a joke – a giant waste of money (tax subsidies) so guys like Angus King can get wealthy. Let the oil come through – follow safety precautions thoroughly but stop trying to kill our economy. It hurts everyone.
How about using the wind freebies slathered to big wind and fix the rail lines?
What kind of energy are environmentalist actually for besides solar, which isn’t practical at this latitude, anyhow?
It’s working in Canada, why not educate yourself:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2012/05/24/solar-power-more-competitive-than-decision-makers-or-consumers-realize/
Touche. I would ask any “environmentalist” how they got to the grocery store the last time they went. If they say “in a car (powered by gasoline)” then I would reply “hippocrite”!
I wonder if the DOT inspects RRs and their equipment as diligently as they do trucks? If they are empowered to red tag an unsafe truck on the road. Can they do the same for a rail car or a section of track that is in danger of causing a derailment?
Yes. The Federal Railroad Administration inspects locomotives and track.
Well the Federal Railroad Administration should get on the job. There are highly toxic chemicals being moved over the aquifer that suplies Calais. The rail ties are rotting out and they can only go at a walking pace with the cars. The RR cars are wobling all over the place. It’s only a matter of time before an environmental disaster happens there. I believe these tracks are run by Pan Am.
So Irving wants to use their trains to haul crude to their refinery? They just asked US to buy the tracks in the County cause they can’t afford to maintain them. Sounds like we need to charge them a fee for each tanker that goes through the state. Also they will have to pay any clean-up costs associated with a spill. Again, J.D. Irving getting what they want. At YOUR expense tax payers!!!!!!!!!!
You need to check your facts. The tracks that were bought in the county did not belong to Irving. They belonged to MMA an American owneed company.
Dana, in fairness to John T. one needs to re-look at the rail ownership issue for everyone to be on the same page. The rail’s were owned by MMA and then declared abandonded. They were considered so critical to The County’s economic health that they were bought, under Bond money, by Maine’s DOT, and then their capacity, NOT OWNERSHIP, was put out for leasing. Irving grabbed over 70% of the rail traffic time lease on them. Some of us now see why, Bald Mountain being the biggest needed user for raw ore transport. One only need to go to the Brownville Junction yard’s or to the Mattawamkeag Crossing to see what majority of the car’s crossing thru or over belong to. Is crude shipment by rail happening ? Yes and it’s gonna keep happening. That means inspection’s and enforcement are needed. But does it mean that it’s so ‘bad’ on it’s own that it should be stopped ? That’s where eveyone gets jammed up with the 10th Amendment and the Interstate Commerce Clause. Oil is gonna flow and that’s a fact of life for the foreseeable future. But it also calls for no one, on either side of the aisle, to stop being aware of the hazard’s and consequences of a mistake, or worse, happening. John T. has a legitimate arguement. And it’s one well worth making and keeping an eye on !
Oil tankers aren’t half the threat that other cargoes pose. How about those chlorine tankers that used to roll right through downtown Bangor? Or the LP tankers?
Just to let everyone know that these crude oil shipments are not moving on track owned by the State of Maine.
People whine because of pipelines, so now they move oil by rail…. People just dont think..
Maine doesn’t need an EW highway, we have enough roads to maintain now. We could use safe rails which have been neglected . As fuel prices go up, rail becomes a better deal than trucking. Piggybacking trailers on the Montreal line would be more efficient than single trailers.
Holy Cow ! Common sense, an actually useful alternative (that’s actually available right now !) and and the arguement for rail over the E-W Highway, all in the same reply ! There is a God !!!!!!
If a little investment in the rail system is all it takes for the trains to overtake trucking in the competition for the freight business, then why haven’t the rail companies made that investment?
Just possibly the transportation lobby, the trucking lobby, and the oil lobby might have something to do with it. Looking at countries with extensive, efficient, modern rail systems provides a pretty good argument that the failure to maintain a good rail system here has more to do with political will than economics. Like so many things in this country of crumbling infrastructure, bought and paid for politicians, revolving door lobbyists.
Are you saying the railroads have been forbidden or otherwise prevented by politicians to invest in tracks and rolling stock? Could it be that the truckers have outperformed Maine’s railroads, thereby reducing the revenue that railroads could have used to invest in their own equipment? Is it possible that the railroad barons decided to pocket their revenue rather than invest it? Or perhaps the biggest “what if” of all: How can you be sure that the politicians are to blame, rather than the economics of a region where any attempt to bolster an economic engine is met with fury from a segment of the population that seems intent on keeping Maine as aboriginal as possible?
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I get a kick out of the same people who say use the slow, inefficient rails in place of a modern, swift East-West highway are the same people who question the safety of running tank cars of crude on those same tracks. Can’t have it both ways, you enviro-whackos!