BANGOR, Maine — The man mortally wounded in a stabbing early Tuesday morning on First Street was bleeding profusely when he tried to get help from a longtime friend who said he “had a bird’s-eye view” and witnessed the attack from an upstairs apartment.
“I met my friend as he was trying to come in to get help from me,” said Eugene “Shawn” Cox, a resident of 67 First St., of his friend Andy D. Smith, who later died at the hospital.
Bangor police issued a statement about 6 p.m. Tuesday saying the state medical examiner’s office has determined that Smith’s death was a homicide and that the cause of death was stabbing. No one had been arrested by 6 p.m., according to Sgt. Bob Bishop.
On Tuesday afternoon, Cox stood just feet from the front entrance of the multiunit apartment building where a large amount of blood could be seen on the floor, steps and a door.
Cox said he was upstairs when Smith, 38, got into a fight with a woman he once lived with, with each delivering punches to each other on the street in front of the building.
Another woman, who lives at 71 First St.,“came out with a two-by-four and she hit him,” apparently in defense of the first woman, Cox said. “He got the two-by-four away from her and she called for her friends. They all started on him.”
Seconds later, Smith was bleeding from a wound to his left rib area and was trying to get away. Cox did not see who stabbed his friend.
“I ran down with a pipe,” he said. “As I was trying to get out, he was trying to get in.”
The two friends met at the bottom of the steps and after seeing all the blood, Cox helped Smith lie down before he ran upstairs to call police. The smear marks on the door were caused when the two slipped on the blood in the entryway and fell against it, he said.
Police already had been called, he learned later, and when he returned to Smith he found an officer already was standing over him who barred Cox from going downstairs or leaving the building.
“I said, ‘Hold on,’” Cox said he told his friend.
Police arrived at the scene of the fight about 1:45 a.m. They used yellow police tape to cordon off the area between Cedar and Barker streets while evidence was collected. Several police markers could be seen on the street in front of two apartment buildings at 69 and 71 First St., most likely indicating where blood was found.
Bangor police Lt. Tom Regan confirmed early Tuesday that the incident involved a stabbing, but police were otherwise tight-lipped about the incident until Tuesday evening’s statement.
“When officers arrived, we did in fact locate one male who was transported to Eastern Maine Medical Center’s emergency room who was later pronounced dead,” Sgt. Paul Edwards, the department’s blood spatter expert, said a few hours after the incident was reported. “Right now we have the criminal investigations division here interviewing, we have our evidence response team collecting evidence and we’re just shutting down First Street for an undetermined amount of time until we can finish that.”
He and a half-dozen other investigators could be seen collecting evidence and talking with people in the area between 8 and 9 a.m.
First Street was closed until about noon but investigators and the evidence response vehicle remained at the scene throughout the day.
Police had a court order to search an apartment at 71 First St., Edwards said.
Police Chief Ron Gastia, Lt. Tim Reid, who leads the department’s criminal investigation division, and other police officials had a meeting in the cordoned-off street about 8 a.m.
A woman who lives in a side apartment at 71 First St. said she heard fighting out on the street “all night long” but didn’t get up until she heard police officers arrive and start talking about someone who might be mortally wounded.
“They had people cuffed up — four or five of them — at the front of the building and there was a girl hiding in the bushes,” said Klarissa Nye, who along with her two young children moved to First Street in the fall. “I saw them take this girl — she had short pink hair and was fighting with them — and put her in the back of the cruiser.”
The suspicious death was not the first to occur on the street in recent years. The body of Christine Simonin, 43, was found in March 2007 dumped a block from the First Street apartment she shared with Ashton Moores.
Moores, then 61, was convicted of raping and killing her at their home. He was sentenced to life in prison for the murder and a 20-year concurrent sentence for the rape.
On June 24, 2003, Walter Travis, then 26, stabbed and killed Thomas Forni, a friend of his father’s who lived on First Street. Forni died of multiple stab wounds, including a severe laceration of the neck. Travis killed him just after assaulting his teenage brother, James Travis, with a baseball bat at his apartment one block away on Cedar Street.
He was committed to Riverview Psychiatric Center, formerly the Augusta Mental Health Institute, after being found guilty of murder and attempted murder but not responsible for the crimes because of mental illness.
Dana Spencer, who along with his brother has owned the building next to the apartments for 34 years, said he has watched the area degrade over the decades. He approached Officer Jim Dearing on Tuesday morning and asked if police could remove the hypodermic needles in his front yard that he said drug addicts had carelessly discarded there. Dearing said the needles would be taken as evidence.
“It used to be a nice, quiet neighborhood when I moved in,” Spencer said. “It’s getting bad up here. We’ve had three or four murders since I’ve been here.”
Another neighbor, who lives across the street and asked to be identified only by his first name, Adam, said he often sees people hanging out in front of the apartments in question drinking and openly doing drugs.
Nye said she wants to move but can’t afford to at this point in her life.
“It’s just a really bad area,” she said. “Everybody is on [the synthetic drug] bath salts. I’ve walked out of my house and found needles. It’s really sad.”
No matter whether the people in the fight were drinking and doing illegal drugs, “nobody deserves that,” Nye said. “It’s really unfortunate.”
Spencer took the opportunity to warn people to be cautious when on First Street, which stretches for three blocks between Union Street and Davis Street.
“Watch your back,” the landlord said. “Don’t go out alone at night — go with with a friend.”
Police still are looking for people who have information about the fatal stabbing. Those with information about the case may call the Bangor Police Department at 947-7382. The department’s anonymous tip line can be reached by pressing ext. 6.
Cox said he has known Smith “since he was 8 and I was 7. My stepdad was friends with his relatives. We grew up together. We played together.”
He said he contacted Smith’s uncle, who lives in Hermon, and was told that the stab wound injured his friend’s liver.
“He bled out,” Cox said. “It was so senseless. This didn’t need to happen. It’s sad. It was all because they used to be nice to each other and now they’re not and a woman couldn’t keep her friends out of it. It’s craziness.”
Smith was a 1992 graduate of Bangor High School, had studied at the University of Maine and recently had lived in Mendocino, Calif., according to his Facebook page.
Smith moved back to the area three or four months ago because he has two children, ages 7 and 11, who live in Orono, his friend said.
“He told me to tell his kids that he loved them and that was the last thing he said,” Cox said.
BDN writer Andrew Neff and online editor William P. Davis contributed to this report.



Well it seems like someone should have got arrested? Maybe the group is claiming self defence from the two by four but didn’t their girlfriend bring it and use on the victim first? I guess the old saying is true…if your on first street, you will finish last.
They’re probably waiting until they have all their ducks in a row before they make an arrest – so they can be sure to have the right person AND make it stick.
Sounds like one big mess to me. I for one have learned something from all this, stay away from that area of Bangor. Doesn’t sound like a type of area that I remember Bangor being. Guess the days of just hanging out downtown and making new friends are long gone. Course that was almost 20 years ago…….
Not saying that this would be the ultimate solution to these types of acts but it seems to be time to take a bulldozer to this part of town (and a few others).
So they can be your neighbors? When houses are bulldozed, the tenants don’t just evaporate.
Ignorant
oh but walking down the streets of brewer is more scary. Please when people who live in this neighborgood admit to seeing open drug use outside their doors and there have been MULIPLE murders in recent past i would say this is much worst. brewer gets hit with prostitution and that is at least consentual and behind closed doors
I say bulldoze it down like they did curve st ten yrs ago that was just like first st, Mayby Hollywood slots will buy it up fpr parking and charge 10.00 a car anything is better than what lives up there now.
Some of the “what” lives there now are children. We are a diverse population and it takes all kinds to make it up. I know kids that have grown up in terrible environments that have had lifestyles only most can barely dream of.
Where do you think those people from Curve street relocated to? First street? Probably. You can’t just bulldoze a street and all the problems will be gone. It doesn’t work that way. There is always going to be a shady neighborhood in a city. Your best bet is just to avoid that area of town.
You can bulldoze every street in Bangor, and it won’t make much difference.—It’s the people that live on these streets, and their actions, that cause the problems.—Clean these out , and different streets will simply take the place of the old!
This is why I always carry a weapon. Anyone, male or female, who chooses to attack me will leave missing something. I don’t wander the streets looking for trouble, but if it comes to me I will cut its head off without a second thought.
…so you also carry a samurai sword?
Perhaps when I was 14, but now a wrist kris and a pocket .40 are plenty for me.
Being armed no doubt makes you feel secure, but most attacks we read about take place among dysfunctional circles of family, friends or neighbors. Rarely does one get mugged on the streets of dear old Bangor. So, if that is that is the usual pattern, does it make sense that your acquaintances and friends know you walk around armed to the teeth, so if one should want to harm you it would be done from a safe distance? Seriously, isn’t it true that if anyone wants to do any of us bodily harm it will be done whether we carry weapons or not?
That’s because most of the attacks we read about have the police involved. Most people who are randomly assaulted never have the chance to call the police. I lived in Bangor for five years and I was randomly assaulted four times throughout my stay. At no point did I have either the opportunity or sufficient time to contanct any person of authority. Calling the police after the fact is retalitory and doesn’t do much to aid a person who is being attacked by three or four fully grown men he has never met before. I have never been attacked by a friend in my adult life, not once.
Are you claiming that we are all vulnerable to assassins? I don’t think anyone would argue against the idea that if someone really wants to kill you specifically all they have to do is know your routine and shoot you in the face when the opportunity arises. My point is not to prevent all possibility of assassination by a family member or any of the dozen or so friends I have, but to be prepared for the next time a random person decides they see an easy target for robbery or even simple assault.
Yes, even in little old Bangor, people walk the streets with the specific purpose of causing trouble.
Because it’s that easy to take a life, right?
Taking a life is not always necessary. Oftentimes a well prepared individual can make even a group of assailants give up their attacks if they realize they may well lose far more than their venture is worth.
No one arrested? Another unsolved crime for Penobscot County? Perhaps they should call Sheriff Donnie Smith. It usually doesn’t take that long down east to solve problems like this. Arrest everyone.
“He got the two-by-four away from her and she called for her friends. They all started on him.” Sounds like they all had a hand in this mans death. Therefore all are equally guilty.
Donnie maybe good at getting press but I don’t know that I would trust him with homicide investigations. He may be Sheriff but that doesn’t make him qualified to do these cases. THen again, that is one of the reason’s his department isn’t legally allowed to investigate homicides.
Used needles, I am sooo surprised…3 methadone clinics in this city drawing junkies in like pigeons supported by General Assistance, TANF, Food Stamps, and the methadone covered by MaineCare…
A Sheriff is a political elected office. When was the last time Sheriff Smith or any Sheriff conducted their own investigation?
I was born, raised and live in Bangor. After many years away decided to come back here to raise a family in a safer environment which I successfully have done. Now Bangor is my home again and I am proud of it. Do I carry a piece with me where ever I go, you bet I do. It has become second nature and I doubt I will ever have to use it in this town. When you play with fire, expect to be burned.
Our children should learn from this that their decisions in life do and will effect them. Who we assosicate ourselves with will define us, make us or even break us.
you are right- sadly this is not a result of 1 single bad decision, but rather a result of daily little decisions that lead to this situation. It’s those little decisions we make every day and think don’t matter that end up leading down a path to situations like this.
Let’s hope they prosecute this HOMICIDE.
RIP Mr. Greenleaf.
Hopefully his family and friends won’t make it into something that it isn’t. After all, This is one of the best criminal investigative divisions in the State. They know what they’re doing.
Seriously? your joking right? Missing Ayla, no sign, Transgender youth jumps from bridge, no body, Greenleaf is assaulted and nobody gets so much as an assault charge, and they are the BEST?? Wow, you dont expect much do ya?
The Bangor Police have nothing to do with the Ayla Reynolds case.
Finding a body in a river like the Penobscot isn’t easy.
A grand jury found there was not enough evidence to support an assault charge in the Greenleaf case.
i call b.s. about not finding enough evidence in Mr. Greenleafs’ case. those punks who did that to him will have to answer to God
You “call b.s.” well isn’t that nice. What would you have the police do? Manufacturer the evidence? The evidence was presented to a Grand Jury and they returned a no bill. Unlike a jury at trial a Grand Jury doesn’t need to reach a unanimous verdict to issue a true bill. Face it, there wasn’t enough evidence to indict the three young men.
Why not ? They do in other cases.
Cite one case that the BPD did that Bob.
I can think of at least 2 if I go back 20 years just hard to prove.
I would like the Names of everyone on the grand jury. How they voted . What influence they might have. Any one on the Grand jury have connections to law enforcement? How about schools? How city hall? In some cases the Grand jury can be influenced .
Ryan beat me to the punch but I’ll throw this in. Although State Police are handling the Ayla cases, doesn’t mean they don’t have a strong hold what happened, where she died and who killed her. They obviously think she was put in the river given the amount of times they have searched it. No decent Attorney General is going to be eager about taking a case to trial without a body. When they find her, the charges will follow. Billy Hildebrandt jumping off a bridge into the icy waters of one of Maine’s largest rivers has nothing to do with Bangor Police competence. As these two cases have shown, bodies in rivers aren’t always easy to find. And as Ryan said, Greenleaf’s case was investigated, sent to Grand Jury and a panel of your peers felt that NO criminal charges were warranted. I stand by my original statement. This is on of the best criminal investigative divisions in the State.
My fear as well Bush. this person obviously wasnt someone important, probably into the drugs as many are on that part of Bangor, so why bother to spend too much time finding the people that jumped in(All should face charges btw) or actually arrest someone for murder. Did they ever find the body of William? nope, didnt think so either…Have they looked? Same answer…sad!!!!
William H Bonney, AKA Billy the Kid?
It hadn’t even been 12 hours when this story posted and your complaining of no arrest yet? Do have ANY idea what it takes to do an investigation like this? The Trevor Sprague murder took YEARS. Why don’t you let the professionals do their job. If you can do better, I believe they are hiring, you obviously would be an asset to them with all your knowledge and experience.
Wouldnt you think they would have brough some people in for questioning, before they were able to get together and get a story together?…I believe you are able to hold someone for up to 24 hours, though i could be wrong.
You are correct…your wrong. You cannot hold someone against their will for 24 hours. If they want to leave the police have to choices, 1) charge them with a crime or 2) let them leave. Anything else is called false imprisonment.
What makes you think they didn’t bring people in? My sources tell me the interview rooms were all full after this incident.
JD is correct. You can’t just lock someone up without cause, and even if they did, they would have had to let them go by this point anyway.
Jeff if you know so much about “police work” I hear Bangor PD is currently looking for new officers.
Oh, how i wish i was physically capable of doing that very thing. Unfortunately, I am not.
It would be a hell of an education, one MANY people could use.
I was thinking when this story broke….How long will it take before Mr. Greenleaf’s name is brought into the conversation.
The three young men were not prosecuted because the Grand Jury failed to return a true bill. Nothing more and nothing less.
And not all homicides are prosecuted.
Your welcome to believe what you want, but we both know that if this person had been one of the very important people of this town, they not only would have charged someone, but also jailed them. Since it didnt, and since the assailants were children of VIP’s, nothing was charged. You know it, I know it, we all know it.
Ye we do but many do not want to believe it. The WEBB of corruption.
So how did they accomplish it Jeff? Did they bribe the DA/AG? Did they “fix” the Grand Jury? Oh, I know they paid off the 40-60 witnesses to change their story? Really, how did they do it?
You are proving to anyone that has ANY clue about how investigations are done, that you have NO idea what you are talking about. Just another commenter with a lot of hot air and no facts.
The way his head was “bashed” in Is not consistant with a single push like Gastia says. Did you see the autopsy report? The grand jury should have never been held in the county . To much influence between School dept, police (county jail). Court system with the family of the accused.
Bob did YOU see the complete sutopsy report? Were YOU there when Mr. Greenleaf struck his head. Bangor is but one city in Penobscot County. The Grand Jury pool is the WHOLE county, not just Bangor. Do YOU know the make up of the Grand Jury and what cities:towns they were from?
Everybody loves a “conspiracy” even in the absense of any evidence of one.
Bangor is the biggest city in Penobscot county. At least one of the kids parents had ties on the county level. We never did see how close the vote was. It would only take one vote to be influenced if the vote was close enough. It never should have been held in penoscot county . Maybe the outcome would have been different. A “push” is an assault . Yes I did see part of the autopsy report . Not being a medical doctor I can not prove things . If the man just fell it would not have been a homicide.
Guess what Bob? Grand Jury proceedings are secret for a reason. So they cannot be influenced by outside influences.
And a Medical Examiners ruling of “homicide” is not a legal ruling based on evidence. It is only a medical deternination that means some form a human action was the proximate cause of death. It doesn’t mean anything more than that. Even someone that dies as the result of a shooting in self defense will have the label “homicide” attached to it by the ME.
You can believe what you want to. I might believe differently if I know more facts . Gastia “I could release the names but I won’t”. Well why know he does in most other cases? Man was hurt and die but the kid men ran. Seems like if they were not guilty they would not have ran. The men were drinking that night . Trust me I know that fact. But only 20 why were they not charged with underage drinking? Funny in so many ways this was handle differently that it would have been if those were street kids.
Bob Mr. Greenleaf was also drinking. From one of the BDN articles he was refused admittance to the bar to see his girlfriend who was inside because he was visible intoxicated. As far as the ages of the three (and here is an interesting side note – one BDN article states there were five (5) young men that left after Mr. Greenlead feel and hit his head on the curb) I quickly checked the BDN articles and found no reference to any age. I might have missed. But if you want to believe that this is a conspiracy feel free…its your life.
The man did not Fall . Why would you run if a man fell? Yes might have been 5 . At least 3 were college athletes . So why would they not have walked away from a man twice thier age? Yes Greenleaf attacked 5 young men in top physical condition . I think not.
“The man did not Fall . Why would you run if a man fell?”
Yes he did fall Bob. If he hadn’t fallen and struck his head he would likely still be alive today. Why would they stay?
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“Yes might have been 5 . At least 3 were college athletes . So why would they not have walked away from a man twice thier age?”
Have you ever dealt with drunk people Bob? I have (sad to day on a pretty regular basis too) and sometimes people that have had to much to drink get loud, do things they wouldn’t normally do, say things they wouldn’t do, some get really belligerent and “in your face” too, etc…
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“Yes Greenleaf attacked 5 young men in top physical condition . I think not.”
I wasn’t there Bob (and you weren’t either) so I don’t know (and neither do you) what happened under the JC bridge. I don’t want to sully Mr. Greenleaf’s memory but I can think of about a half dozen interactions between the young men and Mr. Greenleaf that would have resulted in Mr. Greenlead being pushed away, resulting in him falling and hitting his head on the curb.
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Bob I know you want to believe that Mr. Greenlead did nothing that would have caused someone to push him. Unfortunately, when people drink to the point of being refused entrance to a bar (which Mr. Greenleaf was) or are asked to leave a bar bad things often happen.
Did anyone look into the fact the the Grand Jury could be biased. Aparently the police are because no arrest was made and the names not released . That being said In many cases an arrest is made before the grand jury is held. It has nothing to do with the fact that the police did not see it happen like you seem to always state.
Bob a Grand Jury is used even when arrests are made. They are used to determine if enough evidence exists to support a charge. The Grand Jury only needs a simple majority to return a True Bill.
And as far as making arrests what I have consistently said is the police didn’t make an arrest because 1) they did not witness the altercation, 2) the three men were gone when the officers arrived and 3) the arriving officers had to sort through somewhere between 30-60 “witnesses”.
So if you are going to imply or infer what I have posted please do so accurately.
After reading this article again, it seems to be fact that with a group of friends like these, you certainly don’t need any enemies!—How sad is this, and now there are children without their dad.
sadly this is not a result of 1 single bad decision, but a result of daily little decisions that lead to this situation. It’s those little decisions we make every day and think don’t matter that end up leading down a path to situations like this.
Bangor is turning into a horrible place to live. I grew up there and would never move back. Drugs and crime in the news every single day. Sad.
You do know that Maine is ranked the safest state to live in and if you think Bangor is a bad place to live I highly doubt you have ever lived in a real city with real crime because Bangor is a very safe place to live in.
Dead ON!
Overall, Bangor is still a safe place. There are just a few unsavory spots that should be avoided.
Does the news you watch in NH only report the good and honorable things people do in your area? I really doubt it. So you can’t say Bangor is a bad place to live just because the news reports drugs and crimes everyday. Thats what the news is going to be any where you go.
I find it interesting that when there was a report of
gunshots in Lewiston this past week readers were asking for people to be
deported. One BDN’s reader wrote: “It will be only time until this comes
up to Bangor and other quieter communities. I will not put up with it.
Deport.” I wonder why the comments today are not asking for mass deportations.
Maybe because those who are perpetrating these crimes are not from away but are
homebred. The bottom line is that crime and bad behavior crosses racial and
ethnic lines. Society’s concern should be in ensuring that all bad actors are
dealt with and that law abiding citizens are not stereotyped simply because
there are bad people who look like them who are doing bad things. The vast
majority of Samolians in Lewiston are good citizens who do not deserve to be
treated as potential criminals just as the majority of Caucasian Bangorians are
good law abiding citizens. A few bad apples should not be allowed to poison the
whole barrel.
I always find it funny when the other cities talk down on Lewiston when crime happens there, but when it happens in their own backyard they have nothing to say.
The City needs to bulldoze this neighborhood and plant grass. Let’s call it an expansion of the Second Street Park.
I’d also like to see the slum lords that own properties on First and Second Street’s named in these articles.
Not worth it. No comment. Good luck.
If you have no comment, why do you do so?
Jay smith owns most of the property up there along with Tim harvey I think may own some as well, They dont care what happens as long as they get a city voucher once a month . Very selfish and greedy people is what causes this type of enviroment along with lack of educationand lack of jobs, What ever happened to truence officers when kids missed school oh yea that went out with budget cuts in mmm 1986 or so. I mean comon all this stuff was in place for a reason. The reason we stopped having cocerts in bangor is cuz in 1984 dee schinder(twisted sister) threw a beer bottle a bangor police officer at the auditorium and almost killed him then it was Kenny Rogers and anne murray for 25 yrs , Know here we are again brining back waterfront concerts will the violence begian wait and see. We need to tke bangor back to the 70s and 80s screw hollywood slots , screw walmart and all the big box stores send em packing along with methadone clinics and monkey dusters this would be a huge start.
I have seen a few of the apartments and buildings on 1st street. Where is the zoning board commissioner for those buildings? Most of them should have been condemned Long Long ago…oh yeah, he is probably too afraid to go there as well…much better to go after businesses like Diamonds.
I would like to see the building inspector visit all of these places. I would also like the Section 8 housing administrator to review these dumps to make sure that they are up to the standards that are required
Do you think they care…NO
Time for Senator Collins to come take a look at her hometown. The article a couple of weeks ago about the subpar housing in Topsham made me want to ask her to bring the media to the Bangor ghettos.
It would make you cry to go in many of these buildings. Many used to be beautiful Victorian style homes with intricate woodwork, spiral staircases, elaborate cloth wallpaper. Walk into the common area of 119 Cedar St. sometime, you’ll see what I mean. To see was that place used to be before it was segmented up into 15 apartments kills me.
What does Hollywood casino and Walmart have to do with monkey dust and methadone clinics…not a thing! Dumb statement…..dumb dumb dumb…
I would like to see how many pedophiles live on First St. as well. Also, How much General Assistance is going to the residents of First Street? HOw many residents of First Street go to the methadone clinics?
We should send them to the nice neighborhoods, great thinking.
Did I say anything about moving them to the nice neighborhoods? My point is that many of the crimes are committed by drug addicts who are receiving some form of welfare. Also, if you look at the sex offender registry, many pedophiles live in this neighborhood as well.
Where do you suggest they live after they have been released from prison?
probably 100%
Quite a few,
http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0
However, if you do a search of the city, you will see that downtown is littered with them, period. There are just as many on Court Street, Hammond Street, ect… Not all residents that live on first street are pedos or druggies. Some people are just down on their luck and I would imagine the rent is pretty cheap over there.
Bulldozing the neighborhood wouldn’t fix the problem. They would just relocate and destroy another neighborhood, and that new neighborhood could be two streets down from your home. So my question is…Would you rather have them moving in near you or would you rather they just stay right where they are and you can just avoid that area of town all together??
Second street? Why drag second street in to this issue? What does second street have to do with what happened on first street? How is second street involved in the goings on on first street?
You make no sense and are just ignorant.
Again, where do you propose they move them to?
Sadly, it seems Bangor is grown. I was there last year only to witness so many young people installed in the park at the rear of the old Freeses’ building.
After spending three years at Dow AFB, Bangor became my second home. After forty years, all places are subject to change, but seeing this unique city with these problems is difficult. Tearing down these neighborhoods may not solve the problem. Where does the city place those losing their homes? Other cities have tried only to increase the problems.
it starts with the city actually caring about cleaning up these areas. If the zoning commish deemed these houses uninhabitable, the slumlords would have to clean them up, which would allow them to get more rent, which would force many of the undesirables to either move in to the shelters or move in a direction to try and clean up thier lives. The problems happen when people STOP caring, which the city counsilors of this once beautiful city did a long long time ago. If the name is not Hollywood Casino, your not a big name corporation, or a VIP of this fair city, they dont wanna hear about it.
Ummm you ARE aware of the revitalization project that is in place for this area of town. Right? Go do some research and you will see what they are planning on doing.
This really sickens me. How can a murder happen and not one single person be arrested even for questioning? What kind of city is this? The friend of the deceased was an eye witness and reported that the fight occurred betweeen two people, one man and one woman, a female friend entered into it and then called a half dozen of her friends. 5 or more against one is far from a fair fight. I do not condone any man ever hitting a woman, but it sure sounds as if this woman was getting her fair share of punches in as well. Once the 2by4 was used, why were more people called in to continue to beat this man to death? Which one, the woman, the female friend, or one of the people that jumped in, stabbed this man? My wife says that one of her workers couldnt come to work today because he wasnt able to get off the street till 3pm..So the police where there investigating, keeping the residents on lockdown, and still NOBODY arrested? Cmon Edwards, Cmon Gastia, do your job. There is one other point of concern from this story.
Another neighbor, who lives across the street and asked to be identified only by his first name, Adam, said he often sees people hanging out in front of the apartments in question drinking and openly doing drugs.
Tell me how this is happening and our wonderful police force is allowing it to continue, how are needles being found on front lawns…arent there kids that live in this neighborhood? Is this another situation like when i was a kid and the police were afraid to go in to capehardt? Are they afraid to go down 1st street because they many actually catch someone doing something they arent supposed to be doing? Are they afraid of the many people that are being said are on bath salts? This city is getting more and more dangerous to walk down the street without worry of being harrassed, attacked, or witness to a crime. I realize the BPD is short handed, so hire outside the area, post nationwide if you need to but do something to help make our streets safe again…that is what the taxpayers are paying you to do.
You can’t arrest somebody just for questioning.
Eyewitness testimony is notoroiusly inaccurate.
Unless race is involved.
Pay attention, look deeply, know world history and you’ll find out how this happens.
I use to know people who lived on first street and they would say they wouldn’t see a cop car unless something happened. I would think that if the street has a notorious reputation for crimes and drug use then I would patrol it a little more frequently than most, but that’s just my opinion.
Bangor PD, where to start, they are like the keystone cops. Enough said.
BANGOR in THE GUTTER
Move! Nobody will miss you.
statistically speaking…a city like new york and a TOWN like bangor have big differences.
sure people die everyday in new york, but there’s millions of people there…in bangor theres 30k if that. hence the stats are different
It’s to the point that I don’t even want to go into Bangor. There apparently is no law or order anymore. Drug addicts and criminals have taken over the place. No one arrested?? They should have ALL been arrested. I hope they don’t expect too much tourism this year.
Right, because after the Brady gang was gunned down 100 years ago the place has been crime free. Bangor is a great little town in the middle of nowhere that I am proud to call home. The biggest fish here might be a minnow in most US cities but that’s ok, I like it that way.
They have taken over the place? You really should get out of state more often and see how the rest of the country is.
Where are the code violation officers, human service inspectors and so on. Time for these sections to be cleaned up. When Joe Coupel was the city manager he destroyed much of Bangor with Urban Renewal, so can’t we get a few bad apartments cleaned up ? I would seriously start with reducing the methadone clinic’s in Bangor as some of these folks would be reduced with them. Then, the Welfare department should not be paying certain landlords, that fester these environments and continue to taken advantage of people. If all else fails, then the National Guard needs to patrol these area’s when they are not deployed. People will be heading out if their comfort zones are under constant watch. Maybe even install video camera’s for these area’s as some of the bigger cities have done. There is always a way to assist the majority that love Bangor.
There is a neighborhood watch in place on 2nd, 3rd, warren and Parker. It makes a difference.
Nothing good ever happens after midnight.
Nothing good ever happens after punching a woman.
“Cox said he was upstairs when Smith, 38, got into a fight with a woman he once lived with, with each delivering punches to each other on the street in front of the building.”
Sorry, but as a woman myself, I hate that argument. If a woman is going to throw punches, she better expect to get one back. I am so sick of women getting into physical altercations with men and then calling themselves the victim simply because she is woman. Obviously neither of them were stellar citizens.
I just don’t get why we still have methadone clinics in Maine when it’s obvious no one wants them here.
I do! I would much rather pay my tax dollars into the clinic and have drug addicts get their dose on my dime than to have them strung out and jonsing and break into my home in the middle of the night to steal everything I own and possibly harm my family.
They still commit crimes, burglary theft etc. being on methadone does not make them necessarily law abiding
Not all people on methadone commit crimes, not all people that commit crimes are on methadone. Although I don’t have any stats to back me up, I would surmise that those who enter the methadone clinic are a lot less likely to break into a home to steal than those desperate for a fix.
Not all law abiding use methadone, and not all on methadone are law abiding. I do believe there is value in treatment programs.However, in your original post you said you would rather pay your tax dollars into a clinic for addicts instead of having them break into your house or harm your family to get their fix. I have an issue with “buying off” the safety of my person or property by paying for someone elses addiction with tax dollars.
Why was this murder refered to as a “group” assault instead of a mob or gang assault?
Calling it a group assault makes this murder sound more like a social group such as the PTA or Eagle club.
Besides that while “assault” does describe the action when the victim died it became a violent MURDER.
From the sounds of the low lives living there, I would definitely not offer up a name for my comments. They’re killers. Go anonymous….referring to the BDN article.
reminds me of sam mccarty 48 years ago. he pulled a knife in fight behind the queen city diner on a man. the crowd jumped in and stabbed him with his own knife over 40 times.
No, the crowd did not jump in and stab him. Sam did not have a knife but he had teeth and bit off a guys thumb the week before at The Dollar. This took place behind John and Mary’s . Bob was convicted of stabbing Sam once as he could not remember but……the rest of the story is that RG was left in the alley alone with Sam and Sam had multi stab wounds resulting in his death.
Does the city clean up the blood on the street? I work in an office that has a “perfect” view of the gruesome scene. It saddens me deeply, and it’s hard to see the splatters zig-zagging down the road without feeling sick.
The final solution – excuse me – is to bulldoze the neighborhood.
Thus, the irrationality of one terrible act, deserves an even more radical and crippling response.
All First Street residents will be evicted and their homes bulldozed. Until then, a landlord asks police to pick up the syringes on his lawn, and advises other residents not to walk this neighborhood alone. Calls to close Methadone clinics are made, with apartments to be inspected and condemned.
All this because a a man beats up a woman. Her pals, one with a two by four, leap into the altercation, while one stabs and kills the man, who was beating up the woman.
The case is no worse than the other murders in this area. Stabbings, shootings, strangling, and people being pitched off balconies. All linked either to drugs or alcohol, usually a combination of both. At least, that is the usual explanation for such criminal activity. And as usual we seek to blame everything and anything, rather than realize these people need help. They have no respect for anyone, their neighbors, neighborhood, including themselves.
Finding respect isn’t going to come out of the end of a needle, or a bottle. It begins with family love at an early age. It’s a discipline that is carried through school, and into the workplace. But if none exists in a child’s life to begin with, they’ll just grow up without it. Consequently, a do as you damn well please life, answerable to no one, as is so plainly seen wherever you go.
Beer bottles, guns, knives, two by fours, are radical, senseless, and sometimes fatal answers to an argument, or, the societal problem we all face. A bulldozer does nothing to help except exacerbate the problematic society we have inherited.
Then, maybe you can move to that neighborhood and bring respect to one and all. If they were offset by families like yours it wouldn’t be long before they moved. So have at it, your family can be the first. Thank you
Cynicism adds so much to a conversation.
This may be a bit off topic but still relates to the First Street mess. Part of the reason why we end up with places like First Street is because many of the people who live there can not rent anywhere else because they are felons. Everyone needs a place to live so wouldn’t it be better to give the felons a chance and let them live in subsidized housing where they can be watched and there are rules! First street is like Hancock Street was years ago……clean it up! Some people would like to live in a better place but because they made a mistakes years ago they can’t get into a descent apartment.
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Yes, I am sick of people complaining about life not being fair and not given enough chances. That is BS. You make your own chances and make your own good fortune. True everyone has things outside their control but for the most part you control 99% of you life’s direction.
But its easier to be lazy and whine than actually improve your life.
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To the felons and other low lives.
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Years ago, Hancock and York Street were not bad, only if you were looking for trouble. It was safe for any family. It was loud at times as the bootleggers lived there but no one bothered anyone as they Policed their own. It was different back then.
This story sounds like a scene from “DEATH WISH III”.
“Watch your back,” the landlord said. “Don’t go out alone at night — go with with a friend.”
Just another reason we are SO glad we left Bangor!
If there weren’t enough reasons to carry a gun already.