BREWER, Maine — It was a sight that stopped traffic and caused heads to turn — a long-haired man wearing a white tunic and a crown of thorns dragging a cross down North Main Street on Sunday afternoon.

He was preceded by men dressed as Roman soldiers carrying spears. Behind him, men, women and children solemnly followed. It looked a bit like a movie was being shot but there was no camera crew.

It was called the Way of the Cross, or Stations of the Cross, and was a re-enactment of Christ’s condemnation, crucifixion and death. It was presented on Palm Sunday by members of St. Paul the Apostle Parish, which is made up of the Catholic churches in Bangor, Brewer, Hampden and Winterport.

“I’m so happy to see all our parishioners come together around this,” the Rev. Seamus Griesbach said after the event. “This was an opportunity to strengthen the parish, to come together and really get to know each other and, ultimately, to strengthen our faith. It has been such a blessing.”

Now that the costumes and props have been made, the parish plans to make the walk an annual event, weather permitting, he said.

The Way of the Cross began at 1 p.m. Sunday at St. Joseph Catholic Church on North Main Street in Brewer and culminated about 4:30 p.m. at St. John Catholic Church on York Street in Bangor. All but the final five of the 14 stations were re-enacted outside.

It was one of the first Stations of the Cross events to be held outdoors in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Portland, which covers the entire state. Similar events are held every three years at World Youth Day, typically held in August. Catholics in the Southern Hemisphere traditionally walk outside stations during Holy Week.

Walking in Christ’s footsteps is not a new idea, according to Griesbach.

“From the earliest days of the church, Christians commemorated the steps Jesus took on the way to his crucifixion,” the priest wrote in the introduction to the program for the event. “These steps, or stations, became known as Via Dolorosa, and eventually, the ‘Way of the Cross.’”

During the fourth century, pilgrims began traveling to Jerusalem to walk in Christ’s footsteps and “tangibly unite their suffering to his, in the hope of sharing in the joy of his resurrection,” Griesbach wrote.

“During the Middle Ages, many churches began to be decorated with sculptures representing the stations along the Way of the Cross,
he continued. “The Franciscans especially fostered the practice of praying the Stations of the Cross. From them we have inherited the traditional 14 stations prayed by so many throughout the world today.”

Those stations can be seen in Catholic and some Protestant churches around the world. In the Northern Hemisphere, worshippers typically move from station to station inside the church.

More than 100 members of St. Paul the Apostle Parish were involved in planning and presenting the event, according to the program. Another 300 or so people walked the 1.7-mile route and about 450 worshippers gathered inside St. John’s.

People who did not walk the route waited at stops along the way to observe one or two of the stations before the procession moved on. Richard Spencer, 67, and his wife, Geralyn Spencer, 62, both of Westminster, Mass., who are Baptists, were in Brewer over the weekend visiting their son’s family. Three generations of the family watched as the fourth station, when Jesus meets his mother, and fifth, where Simon helps him carry the cross, were re-enacted in Indian Trail Park in Brewer.

“This is bringing people together,” Christina Spencer, 34, said as the procession headed south on North Main Street toward Paradis Shopping Center, where the sixth and seventh stations were presented. “There are people everywhere gathered to watch, representing a variety of different backgrounds.”

Katherine Smith, 73, of Ellsworth and her friend Margaret Smith, 83, of Brewer waited at the corner of North Main and State streets to watch the procession cross the bridge from Brewer to Bangor. The women, who are not related but whose husbands were cousins, said they were raised Catholics and often had prayed the Stations of the Cross during Lent, but never outdoors.

“It was very realistic,” Laurie Kenney, 42 of Orrington said as she and her 9-year-old twin sons, Adam and Nick Kenney, ate soup in the basement of St. John’s. “It made you feel like you were back in those times. It was amazing to see all those people stand up and follow him.”

For Shawn Yardley, the director of health and community services for the city of Bangor, the meaning of Christ’s death and resurrection is relevant in the 21st century.

“The readings along with the re-enactment made it real today for all of us,” he said. “For me, the words that were important are those that speak to caring for the least of us. That is the population I most often work with.”

Yardley, 54, of Bangor, administers the general assistance program for Bangor.

The text used in the readings was written by Pope Benedict XVI and published in 2005 in the book “The Way of the Cross.”

“It was really pretty powerful but tiring too,” Steve Charette, 16, of Hampden said of his role as a Roman soldier. “Being part of a group that carried out the crucifixion put it in a different perspective, but actually being one of the people who nailed Jesus to the cross made it a little more powerful.”

For Tim Mullen, it was “humbling” to portray Christ, but the 26-year-old Bangor man said he would “do it again in a heartbeat.”

“This time of year, what we did today, is what it’s really about, not chocolate candy,” Mullen said.

Stations of the Cross

1. Jesus is condemned to death.

2. Jesus takes up his cross.

3. Jesus falls for the first time.

4. Jesus meets his mother.

5. Simon of Cyrene helps Jesus carry the cross.

6. Veronica wipes the face of Jesus.

7. Jesus falls for the second time.

8. Jesus meets the weeping women of Jerusalem.

9. Jesus falls for the third time.

10. Jesus is stripped of his garments.

11. Jesus is nailed to the cross.

12. Jesus dies on the cross.

13. Jesus is taken down from the cross and given to his mother.

14. Jesus is laid in the tomb.

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        1. Most likely. Just like the American Nazi, the KKK, white power groups, the Black Panthers, and the list goes on. As long as they are within local ordinances, then they would have just as much right to demonstrate as this group did.

          1. Sir, don’t confuse the voice of reason with anything else. I am a follower of the Christian faith. I am also an American. That means that I believe that ALL people have the right to demonstrate their beliefs, whatever those beliefs may be. As long as they do it in accordance to local ordinances, and they do not cause people injury, riots, etc. That being said, I believe that these people, who have held a demonstration of their faith, have that right, as long as they too do not break any laws doing so. I give total respect to your views as well sir. I may or may not agree with some of them, but I still respect the fact that you have the right to peacefully demonstrate those views. It’s part of what sets America apart from other countries.

          2. I agree with you 100%! It bothers me greatly that people believe that Christians get preferential treatment in America.  I would like to point out that the the supremacists group, the KKK, adopted a piece of high way south of St.Louis.  So as you see, there are equal rights here.  Also may I add that the KKK did not continue to clean up this section of high way, so it was renamed “Rosa Parks Freeway”.

          3. It is good to exchange ideas with people of differing view points without the razor sharp counter punches. I have enjoyed interacting with you.

        1. A consequence needs to exist for  those that pray unsolicited prayers.  Sort of like the injunction against the Mormon church for unsolicited baptism.

  1. I do.  And many others.

    Do you find pleasure in insinuating that Moses or Mohammed are not venerable spiritual people?

    1.  I don’t have a problem with spiritual masters. But the problems with their followers are numerous and well documented.

      Quite frankly, if Jesus were dressed in jeans and a tee shirt, many of you “Christians” would call him a hippy.

      x

      1. And, clearly, that vile word, “liberal!”  I am just aghast.  [feigning horror over here]

        It amazes me that the people who claim to be such admirers of Jesus seem to be the last to follow any of his teachings.  Left to the ultra-right wing, people who need help won’t get it and if you have no health insurance, too bad, you die.  “God’s Will” and all that.

        If this crowd wasn’t constantly in my business, I would give them as much heed as I currently do with the Belgian Navy.

        1. Don’t be like the right wing and be so stereotypically inclusive.  Plenty of us moderate (and even liberal) Christains around.

          1. I am aware of  and respect those that have  sincere beliefs and an intelligent approach to religion. Unfortunately the loud mouth, sanctimonious hypocrites and manipulative politicians  appear to be the most prominent aspect of Christianity in the last few years.   

          2. Sadly, few and far between, or perhaps too quiet.  For what little I was raised in a religious background, it was the Universalist Church which later become the Universalist Unitarian Church (the UU’s), so I am familiar with liberal Christian churches.  However, I doubt the UU’s had much to do with the event depicted in this news story.

            As I said, I don’t have any problems with the liberal Christian churches.  It is those that spend millions of dollars to stomp on the secular civil rights of others while claiming Christian purity that drives me over the edge.

  2. You are aware Jesus Christ died of the sins of the Jew first, it is the childrend of Israel who have rejected their messiah.  Romans (2:10): But glory and honor and peace to all whose works are good, to the Jew first and then to the Greek: . . .]

    Matthew 10:5-6, Jesus said to the twelve apostles as he sent them out during his life, “Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” And in Matthew 15:24, Jesus said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” So during his earthly life, Jesus was focused on the Jews. They had priority in his ministry.

    1.  Actually….no.

      There was no such word as Jew or Jesus in that day and time. The letter “J” does not exist in ancient Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic. Jesus would have been called something like Issa.

      And “Israel” has nothing to do with a country by that same name. It refers to a group of people, not a geographical location.

      I don’t know who’s done more damage to history. The NT or Cecil B. DeMille.

      x

      1. Illiteracy an dogmatism do the most damage.  Well, that and quoting corrupted passages out of The Bible out of any historical or cultural context.

      2. Yeshua bar Yoseph  translates from Aramaic to English as Jesus son of Joseph, and would have been his name, had he existed.

      3. Bear in mind that the qulotations are from translations.  Actually, “J” did not exist in the Latin of the time either. “INRI” on the cross was an abreviation for something like:  Iesus and Ieudeum (pardon my ignorance of Latin)

    1. Sure.  Threat to the power structure, both in and out of the governements and organized religion.  Same reasons as before,  just different cast. 

  3. A couple of comments (which I hope doesn’t make me out to be a non-Christain cynic):

    I think at least a couple of the stations of the cross are based more on legend than scripture.

    To be accurate, in those times those condemned to crucifiction carried the crossbar only, not the entire cross.  The uprights stayed in place at the crucifiction site (and the crossbars were reused).  Then again, I guess we’d have to perpetuate Golgotha with three uprights year around.

  4. Being raised Christain I guess I am not smart enough to understand the whole thing. Religion can be a great thing as long as its used for the right purposes . Peace good will to all.

  5. Really funny Josh. Apparently you don’t know anything about anything. Quick to judge but not take the time to understand how he made that mistake OVER 5 YEARS AGO. I GUESS YOU DON’T WANT PEOPLE TO BETTER THEMSELVES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. YOU’D RATHER HAVE THEM STILL CREATING CRIMES SO YOU CAN SIT BACK AND KEEP PASSING JUDGEMENT. Get a life troll.

    1. He may have stolen those things in 2006, but he wasn’t
      sentenced until last year. I find it funny that Jesus is serving probation.

      1. The Tim Mullen that portrayed Jesus in this reenactment is NOT the same Tim Mullen that was sentenced for stealing from BIA. The Tim associated with this article is a very close friend of mine and he is NOT the thief you’re all referring to. They just so happen to have the same name. The Tim Mullen I know is an amazing person who just so happens to share his name with someone who is not so amazing.

    2. “Mistake?”  Did he accidentally steal items?  No.  He planned it and purposefully took them.  It was no “mistake.”  He didn’t accidentally fall into a luggage bin and unknowingly walk away with various items. 

      1. Yes, but I find it ridiculous people on this forum love to dig up the past and degrade folks after they’ve made mistakes (yes it is a mistake of not “doing the right thing”.). Tim is an excellent young man that has a lot going for himself as a productive member of the community. There’s nothing worse than bringing up the past after someone has worked hard over the past 6 years to better, and redeem themselves. Keep it civil and enjoy THIS article. Not articles of the past. People change.

        1.  Eh, I think there is a difference between “not doing the right thing” and “knowingly stealing and selling other people’s belongings”.  He didn’t just happen upon a bunch of unclaimed stuff and happened to make a wrong decision.  He knowingly (and with forethought) stole from others to fatten his wallet.  In my opinion, that’s about as un-Christ-like as it gets.  Religion does not make you the kind of person that won’t commit bad deeds.  Being a good person does.

      2. Just so you all are aware, the Tim Mullen that took place in this event yesterday is not the same one that was stealing items from BIA.  They just so happen to have the same name, but they are not the same person!  I am very close friends with the Tim in this article who is most certainly NOT the thief.  People need to realize that there is a possibility for two people to have the same name!

      3. Hey it’s really quite appropriate, seeing as how christ was crucified with 2 thieves!

  6. The Christ haters here are as numerous as flees on a dog… and like their evolutionary brethren,  these miserable worshipers of flesh and blood with  muddled intellects have no one to curse for their pitiful state except themselves.

    1. Be who you are and say what you feel,

      because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind.
      Dr. Seuss

    2. Oh, I don’t think anyone hates Christ.  I think a poll would show that.  The crowd that claims they speak for him, understand his teachings, and feel they have a right to impose their misinterpreted understandings of  his teachings, is probably the crowd many have problems with.

      My favorite bumper sticker:  “Jesus, save me from your followers.”

        1.  Actually, they hate the people who won’t accept things that you push on us…because we don’t use the word accept you are intolerant to our ways.  So sickening. 

    3. “… and like their evolutionary brethren,  these miserable worshipers of
      flesh and blood with  muddled intellects have no one to curse for their
      pitiful state except themselves.”

      Pitiful state?  Muddled intellects? 

      Yes, it is so difficult being a free thinker.  Why is it the religious crowd thinks the rest of us are running around looking for swords upon which to fall and cursing our own existence?  It baffles me why you think we have such terrible lives.  Far from it.  I save 10% of my income each year by not giving it to a group of guys who think altar boys are there to serve as  a Friday night cheap date.

      I remember back in 2009 when the whole Marriage Equality repeal took place.  Some guy wrote in one of these Commentary sections about how you “see the cross and how you are overcome with guilt and remorse…” and on and on he droned.  Well, here is a newsflash for you – when I see a cross, I see a cross.  That’s it.  I do not attach all this “stuff” to it that you do because that “stuff” wasn’t drilled into me from birth by an organization based upon power, money, and control.

      The choice is to be a free-thinker or a sheep.  You know what happens to sheep?  Lamb chops.

      1. Actually one can be a free-thinking Christian and not a sheep.  And there are several Christian interpretations of what the crucifiction meant.  Like most matters of faith, it’s not simple,very complicated.

        1. But why is it we never hear from those people?   It is only the Fundamentalist, the Evangelicals, and the Catholics who cannot seem to be happy unless everyone dances to their tune.  And, by that I mean their attempts to change our secular laws to comply with their interpretations of Christian teachings.  You’d never hear the end of it if an Islamic Imam tried to impose Sharia law into our secular law, but because it is “Christianity” (the only TRUE religion I have been told), it is acceptable.

      1. I’m guessing this is a veiled reference to mankind’s evolution from apes, present company excluded, of course.

  7. The Roman Church crusifies homosexual people calling them an “abomination”, saying they are ill people, they are treated like Jesus. These Romans are hypocrites.
    Jesus was a man of compassion and acceptance not intolerance or full of bigotry.

  8.  “This time of year, what we did today, is what it’s really about, not chocolate candy,” Mullen said.

      Tim, couldn’t have said it better myself.   We need Christ so much

    1. It appears that “it’s really about” spending money on lavish costumes, orchestrating a strange parade(?), and making it known that the church is still around….

      Why not gather that many followers to provide some relief to those that need it? I’m pretty sure if “the Jesus” was still around, he wouldn’t want any part of this circus…. 

      1.  It was not a “parade,” but a  remembrance .  I understand it’s common  to trash the Catholic church.  It is hurtful, but I am healed by the grace of Christ which I see there . I hope you find that peace as well.  As for attempting–if poorly– to emulate Christ, in my church we have a ministry to lonely old people no else cares about, a prison ministry, a food bank our parish founded and bring goods for every week, even though ours is not an affluent community, and a soup kitchen we run with other churches that has many programs for the mentally ill and homeless.  No one is perfect, of course, and all of us need to be better  people.

        As for Christ, as a sinner, I try to follow Him as best I can and  leave it for Him to decide who is good and who is bad in this sad, sick society.

        1.  I’ll give you credit for walking the walk.Now if the wealth of the Church would be given as needed instead of luxury apartments full of priceless artwork for people like Bernard Law.

          1. Yes, their retained-earnings are disproportionate to the annual revenue.  That would throw a flag at the IRS.  Oh, wait, they are exempt.  How foolish of me.

          2.  In 2007 Chuck Grassley- an R and conservative-tried to get info on the high flying(literally)preachers expenses.He got his hand slapped HARD including death threats.
            No surprise.

          3. Sort of like the old saw, “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.”  We don’t want to look too deeply into what goes on behind the scenes.

        2. You call it a “remembrance”, I call it a parade. If i was trashing the church, you wouldn’t have to full in the blanks. I’m perfectly peaceful with my amazing life. 
          Be well!

        3. I believe the bible admonishes you to pray quietly and eschew ostentation. Your expensive and garish parade followed neither of these very good suggestions.

          1.  Color pics above the fold.Today 3 color pics above the fold about a sandwich.Nothing about 20,000 atheists,humanists,scientists  and others gathering in DC over the weekend.Nothing about clinic bombings.BDN’s conservative and  church bias is evident.

        4. All very noble causes and I commend you, and also others in the secular world, for their efforts to help others.  That said, all of us could make a long list of very serious transgressions committed by the church management with only a bit of lip service for an apology.  When the church commits these transgressions they become a very large target so while it is not nice to trash anyone, it certainly is understandable why it has happened.

          I have many Catholic friends and when I point out the Magadelene Laundries, the rampant child molestation cases, the coverups all the way to the Vatican, the money laundering by the front-group NOM and its illegal involvement in secular law making, and on and on, is it any wonder people point out the hypocrisy of all this?  This is not a complaint against the laity but is an indictment of the organization in general.

          I commend the people who are helping the poor, the disabled, and the elderly.  It is unfortunate this same compassion is absent in the upper reaches of the church.

  9. I’m proud to see this. In a time when our country is falling apart and a mean-spirit is the only spirit that is socially acceptable, Kudos to these folks. I would love to see more of this (and I’m not even a regular church-goer).  Awesome costumes, btw.

  10. Thanks BDN for shoving religion on everyone. I’m sure everyone appreciates your presentation of feudalism and superstition – not!

    1. Don’t blame BDN.  Blame the public authorities for allowing the church to do this.  Honestly I don’t really give a crap.  I just wish that all legitimate groups seeking public exposure had the same respect from the local government.  Oh, and that the church wasn’t influential in our government.

      1. Remember separation of church and state? I don’t want the last vestige of feudalism paraded around in front of me; I only wish people could see past their superstitions to join the 21st century and progress as a society, but its their personal choice……

        1. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
          religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” — The
          First Amendment

          That is what is in the First Amendment….not what people are trying to interpret it to mean today.  It has been taken out of context so much that people like yourself are mislead. 

          1. Nobody is being misled here.  We are fully aware exactly what  organized religion is doing and it has nothing to do with  humility, tolerance, faith, charity, love and good will and a great deal to do with power and arrogance.

          2. And now abideth faith, hope,
            charity, these three; but the greatest of these is
            charity. It seems you are in need of all.

          3. Not mislead – as an atheist I have a right to no religion just as you have a right to one. One should keeps one’s superstitions to oneself.

      2. My family came here to get away from them in the 1600’s like most in ME and now they’re screwing up traffic?  Enough is enough, WTH are we paying the police for?  Let’s have a 99% march without notice and see how that goes with them?

  11. A silly, childish story. Based on hearsay. Created by human men and women. Passed on by word of mouth for 300 years before it was even written down.  The true facts are slightly suspect if you ask me. But I must admit the costumes are pretty good.

    1.  A historical figure called “Jesus”?  Probably likely.  But, the first ever known marketing group was The Twelve Apostles, LLC!  People blindly following a document written by secondary and tertiary sources before they had television advertising to blind them?  Great marketing …

    1. I would prefer that instead you pray for those more in need of help, such as the starving millions in east Africa, the poor and sick everywhere, and the thousands that die every day from war, genocide and crime.  Please don’t ask your god waste his/her time on me, because, with all of the suffering in the world, it’s pretty clear that he’s already stretched too thin.  Tell you what; instead of praying for me, why don’t you write a check to your local soup kitchen or homeless shelter? That would actually make a difference.

      1. There are a lot of assumptions in your response.  However, know that everyday I pray that this world will be a better place.  Let me ask you something, though, Is the world a better place as we move along and further ourselves away from God?  There was a day when this was a God fearing nation.  Many will say that it was built upon the principles of Christianity.  I am no history professor, but will say that it was more than not.  The fear returned on 911 only to disappear almost as quick.  Let me tell you that the one true God is not “stretched too thin”.  He is the same God that allows us to make choices on this Earth as many of us do with our own children.  You don’t have to believe, but the alternative of eternity in hell is not a good one.  One day, YOU will have to bow down before Him and acknowledge Him as he says “I did not know you”.  Words you do not want to hear …

        1. Sorry, but I’m not bowing down to anyone.

          I am an atheist, meaning that I do not believe in your god; do not believe he/she/it exists in the manner you propose. I do not believe in the concept of heaven and hell, and especially that a supposedly loving and merciful god, a “father” to all humanity, would consign his much loved children to an eternity of agony and suffering, as your religion contends. 

          Lastly, god has nothing to do with the world being a better place or not. More people have been murdered in the name of religion than all natural disasters and other conflicts combined.  I’m not sure the innocent women burned or drowned as witches thought the world was a such a great place, or the victims of the Inquisiton, for that matter. Of course the list of examples goes on and on.  Here it is: I am an honorable man.  I don’t lie, steal or cheat on either my taxes or my wife.  I served my country in war.  I work hard, love my family, contribute to deserving charities and always try to do the right thing, even when it’s also the difficult thing. And god has nothing to do with it. Nothing. These values are inherent in most human beings, and we don’t need some religion to spell it out for us. Sorry, but that’s just the way it is.   

          1. “More people have been murdered in the name of religion than all natural disasters and other conflicts combined.”

            That’s ridiculous proclamation considering the mayhem, starvation, suffering and mass murder of hundreds of millions of people at the hands of the Atheist-Communists of the last century. And what about the Nazis?

          2. Hitler was around for a dozen years.The CC has been destroying lives for 20 centuries.No contest.And Paul VI was widely considered to at least possibly be in league with the Nazis.

          3.  The best defense of atheism I’ve ever seen.This comment should be framed and read by everyone.

  12. Oh well…..can’t make everyone happy !!!!  I enjoyed the story.  Thanks for putting it up BDN.

  13. Yes, I have seen the ads.  But, you know, I think the point will be missed.  There is something about the religious crowd.  They just cannot seem to accept there are people out there who just are not interested in religion or necessarily who believe in religion in general, but specifically in the traditional large religious organizations.

    I do not go around knocking on their doors on Sunday and inviting them to join a meeting of the Atheist Club (there aren’t any meetings before you ask), but they think nothing of knocking on my door.  They cannot seem to grasp the idea that we do not want to be involved with this.

    I always have been of the “Live and Let Live” mindset.  Up until recently, this has worked out well.  They did whatever it is they do and left the rest of us alone.  Now, of course, we see this attempt to inject their religious beliefs into our secular laws which I find little different than the attempts by some Imams to impose Sharia law into our secular laws.

    I always try to be polite when they knock on the door.  Most of the time they are harmless.  I always ask them what their view is on same-sex marriage.  “Oh, it is not what I happen to think, it’s what the bible says!”  Oh, okay, very convenient escape clause there.  I thank them for the brochure and send them along their way.

    It is unfortunate we have reached the point that we need to have a “Freedom From Religion” group in order to protect our secular laws, but as long as the right-wing tramples on the Constitution and the First Amendment, I suppose we have to.

    1. Religion has always had two purposes: to control others, and as a crutch.  People use this insane concept of burning hell versus paradise heaven to instill fear and compel others to follow their twisted beliefs.  And believers, lacking the strength to accept that we’re alive for a time and then dead forever — cling to this crazy idea that some god will keep them alive in paradise for eternity.  Well, if that helps you cope with life, fine, just don’t try to force it on me.  

      1. I have to agree with you.  And, probably, in the Dark Ages, dying might have been preferable to living, but telling people that suicide would cause them to burn in hell for all eternity must have been a deterrent.   Things are bad here, but hell is worse.  Yes, controlling the masses was/is a key element of religion.  Of course, just as in ancient Greek and Roman mythology, religion was used to explain the unexplainable in nature.

        I suppose it is inevitable that as science grows and more knowledge is gained, religion needs to keep up or be left by the wayside.  Just as a buggy-whip manufacturer had to change or go out of business, so too should the churches find some new purpose that is meaningful in today’s society.  Based upon the attendance in the churches, especially the older, traditional, very dogmatic churches, that are mired in tradition, we are not seeing much of a modern, more progressive, and more realistic view of the world being portrayed.  The average age of the laity is way up there.  Much like many of the fraternal organizations such as the Masons or the Grange, the churches are struggling to find a niche to fill in today’s society.

        It appears to me that many of the truly devout are having a difficult time accepting all this change and when they look around at the empty pews they must be sensing this loss.  Perhaps, the lash-out against the rest of us who are minding our own business is a result of this perceived loss.  I do not know.  I am only speculating based upon what I have seen.

        Another subject:  Twin Beech D18?  In my younger years I owned a Piper Seneca, N44311.  Great fun.  I love the D18.  Such a classic.  I only have a few hours in a taildragger when I was doing some “unusual attitude” training in a Decathalon.  I think with a D18, you’d need pretty deep pockets.  Still, it is a classic.

        1. I received my multi-engine rating in a Seneca…loved it.  I then flew a D18 for a commercial outfit for a little while, and also a Twin Bonanza…neither of which I had to buy gas for, and both of which are becoming increasingly rare. I cannot imagine having to pay for the fuel and maintenance on either one today.   But in all of my flying I will always fondly remember sitting between two Pratt & Whitney radials on the D18…I guess it made me feel like a WWII bomber pilot! 

          1. You are the lucky one, then.  Getting to fly but not having to pony up the cash.  I sold my Seneca when the engines hit TBO.  I bought it with zero-time engines, ran up the 2000 hours, and since it was on lease-back the TBO had to be done, so I ended up selling it for what I paid for it (good deal).  The costs were getting ridiculous.  When I bought the Seneca in the early 1990’s, the engine overhauls were a reasonable $10,000 each but by the time it came around for me to have them overhauled, the cost went to $22,000 each.  That’s $44,000 for a 150 knot block-time aircraft burning 22 gals an hour.  Have you seen the price of 100LL?  Something like $6.00+/gallon now.  That’s $132/hour just in fuel.  I have a friend who has a 690 Commander (turbine).  Good thing he has the cash.  I couldn’t put the fuel in that thing.  After 9/11, the lease-back business dried-up for awhile as my plane was based at GAI which was within the exclusion zone of DCA.  Kind of a pain to fly then.

            I have to admit, I like the sound of the radials but I am not nuts on the fuel or on the critical engine part.  I never had an engine-out emergency but the counter-rotating props on the Seneca really made it easily to fly.  I could to a zero-rudder take-off with no problem.  I liked the plane but for the cost and for the few times I needed to haul around 6 people, it really wasn’t worth it.  But, you know, the panache of a twin plus ATC treats you nicely and usually will give you the “shark route” around NYC avoiding all that is quite nice.  And, admittedly, regular cruise at 10,000 I always found was the “sweet spot” for the Seneca and above the weekend pilots.  Once it got up around 12,000 or above, I thought it handled a bit squirrelly.  It needed more wing or aileron.  I really couldn’t tell.

            I’d love to do it again, though.

          2.  You guys (You and ChuckGG) should get together to talk this over instead of using the Bangor Daily as a means of conversation, which has nothing to do with the article.

          3. I would say “chill out.”  First off, there isn’t anyway to contact someone directly and I am sure our one-on-one for a different subject, amounting to 2-1/8ths posts are kind of ho-hum in the scheme of things.

    2. And just what secular laws do you claim the “right wing” tramples???????  It seems to me that the exact opposite is the case.  You and your other little atheist friends have made it your mission in life to totally eradicate any hint of religion, regardless of whether it impacts you and your beliefs (or lack thereof).  The assault on organized religion in this country is breathtaking.  You are guilty of the very thing against which you rant and rail.   Your version of “Live and Let Live” is the antithesis of tolerance.  You seem to think your right to not acknowlege religion trumps the rights of those of us who do.  Well, it doesn’t and if you don’t want to “be bothered” I would suggest you not answer the door. 

      1. Our country is a secular nation.  It was founded that way.  The First Amendment of the Constitution guarantees this.  I fail to see how our efforts to uphold the Constitution in any way impacts your religious freedoms.  You can do whatever you want to do in your religion.

        You do not have the right to impose your religious beliefs upon others.  I cite the recent attempts to outlaw secular, same-sex marriage that has nothing to do with your religion nor would it in any way impact your religion.  The same is true about contraception, abortion, and the rights of minorities.  Yet, the only justification I hear for pushback on any of these items always includes some particular religious doctrine.  There never is any other valid reason presented.

        Give me one example of how us trying to keep religion out of our government has somehow impacted your religion or your ability to practice your religion.  And, you can skip the one about the Catholic Church being “forced” to pay for contraception.  That was easily solved.  Now, the 98% of Catholics who use contraception, anyway, can have it paid for my the insurance companies and not by the Catholic University.  Problem solved.

        As far as answering the door, I don’t have a camera on the door, so I have to get up and answer it anyway just to see who is there (so much for my attempt at a metaphor).

        1. Have you ever read biographies of our founding fathers?  They were men who believed in God.

          1. Apparently you have not.  Many were Masons.  Look up the Age of Enlightenment.  Also study how diligently they worked to keep religion out of our government.  Believing in a god and believing in Christianity are two different items.  A little studying and you would find our founding fathers were far less into the hocus-pocus of religion that seems to dominate most of the fundamentalists of today.

          2. Not quite – you must believe in a Creator.  However, what or who that Creator is or means, is left to the individual Mason.  That is the extent to which it goes.  There is no mention of Christ (or any other subordinate of the Creator).  Religion is not discussed in the Masons.  All members are entitled to their own views.

            I think part of the problem with the understanding of this is by those religions who believe that God, Christ, and a Holy Spirit, are all in one and inseparable.  But, that is their belief and not that of the Masons, per se. 

            I think this also explains a real quandary I have encountered with those who hold this Holy Trinity to be true – that is, on our money it says, “In God We Trust.”   Since, to them, God, Christ, and a Holy Spirit are “all in one” they extend the definition of God to Christ and thus to us being a Christian nation and that we are all onboard with the whole Christ concept, etc.  I would say, hold on a minute.  The Founding Fathers, many of whom were Masons, plus the era being that of the Age of Enlightenment, leans more to the idea of a Creator (or God) that could mean anything. 

            For example, the Creator (or even God to some) might mean the Big Bang, Nature, or an unconscious, non-sentient power of the universe, or something else very esoteric.  This is something at the Stephen Hawking level.  At the opposite end of the scale are those who truly believe there is a guy physically floating around in the sky, dressed in a toga, white, with a beard, speaking English, looking like Burl Ives and sounding like Raymond Burr.  He is watching your every move and duly noting your behavior so a scorecard can be kept to send you to heaven or condemn you to the depths of hell for all eternity, Amen.  As bizarre as this sounds, do recall that last summer thousands of people gave up all the possessions, bought Rapture insurance for the pets (who, of course, would be left behind), and prepared to physically shed their clothes where they stood and be shot into space, apparently missing our telecommunications satellites on the way to wherever it was they were going.  This is tin-foil hat stuff, but people believed it.  Of course, the day came and went.  I felt kind of sorry for them that they were duped by all this.  Robbing people and filling them with false hope really borders on evil.

            Unfortunately, society has dumbed-down to believing the latter definition rather than the former.   We have lost a great deal of our “great thinkers” in society and instead have accepted, like sheep, the fate that religious leaders believe we deserve (after they have collected their 10%, of course).

            Seriously, check out the Masons.  Like many fraternal organizations, they have old rituals but from what I have seen they do good charitable work.

          3. I am a Third Degree Master Mason. You are pretty much correct on the creator thing. Here is a quote I pulled of the internet for what its worth:There are numerous pamphlets available from lodges which state the requirements for becoming a Mason. One of the primary requirements is that a man must believe in the existence of A Supreme Being. Furthermore, Freemasonry requires a Mason to believe that there is but one God. This belief is commonly called monotheism. Those who believe in the existence of A Supreme Being include Hindus, Moslems (Islam), Buddhists and Wiccans (witches). All are eligible for membership in the Masonic Lodge, as they meet the Masonic requirement that they believe in the existence of A Supreme Being.  Since pagans do not worship the God of the Bible, but rather demons, it is clear that Freemasonry does not differentiate between the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the demon gods of pagan religions. When the facts are considered, it is obvious that Freemasonry requires its members to accept the demon god of the Hindu Mason as being a supreme being.  If that were not the case, the lodge would have to reject the pagan candidate for Masonry on the basis that he worshipped a demon.

          4. Very interesting.  I would be interested in your comments on my comment about the whole monotheism/deism vs. Holy Trinity concept.  I stand corrected on the Creator vs. Supreme Being.  My grandfather was a 32 degree Mason, although I am unsure what that means.

            My issue is with these claims by some that we are a “Christian” nation.  I am not buying into the idea that our laws and Constitution are written with “Christianity” in mind.  If this were the case, we would have a theocracy and not a democracy.  There is one mention of a Creator in the Declaration of Independence but I think this is dead-on the same as a Supreme Being as defined by the Masons.  From your definition, this implies an openness to all religions who believe in at least a monotheist god.  That sounds more in-tune with my readings of the lives of the Founding Fathers.

            There are no religious references in the US Constitution which stands on its own and is what our laws are based upon.  Again, more evidence of our secular government.

          5. Your points were pretty accurate. The Freemasons extend to many religions around the world that believe in God or a Supreme being per sey. Your grandfather was of the “Scottish Rite” being a 32nd degree. Basically he belonged to a MAsonic Lodge , studied and practiced what was practiced in Scotland many years ago. I don’t know a lot about it. Part of the issue we have in this country now is unlike 200 years ago, there is a smaller percentage of people that are close to any believe system that encompasses a supreme being. Back during the formation of the country, a larger percentage of people went to some sort of church. Nowadays for many reasons, its just not that way. Some bad eggs along the way haven’t done the church any favors either. It’s hard to keep any credibility when the very standards you are preaching, get violated by you yourself, or someone else of an authority figure in your denomination. It all boils down to your own personal standards of how you live your life, your own personal belief system, and how it effects your behavior toward others. (my opinion anyway). 

          6. One of the keypoints you made, that I find significant, is your statement about “personal standards” and your “own personal belief system” and how it affects others.  I must concur.  The problems I see today is that few people apply these standards to themselves in that they insist that others follow their beliefs.  This running around “saving” people and our government from what they feel is an affront to their religion (when, in fact, it has no impact at all) is the antithesis of what I would call good behavior.

            I recall my grandfather (and others) telling me that the Masons were all about personal growth.  I heard nothing about imposing one’s views on others.

            Thanks for your comments.  My mother has nagged me about joining the Masons although I have not found the time to even consider it.

          7. One other quick point (as quick I ever make anything).  I believe the term is not “Creator” in the Masons but instead is, “Supreme Being,” but the rest of my earlier comments stand. 

            In researching this, there is reference to Deism which, of course, is in disagreement with the Holy Trinity concept and more in line with the Masons and with the Age of Enlightenment of that era.  That is why I lean more to the idea that we are not a Christian nation per se but we are a religious nation in that we believe in some sort of Creator, but not necessarily the Holy Trinity idea.  Catholics were not held in high-esteem back then, especially considering the origins of the Founding Fathers.  This dichotomy between Deism and the Holy Trinity seems evident.  Here is a quote from Wiki (granted, not the be all and end all of sources):

            (Freemasonry refer to the Masons, of course)

            ……….

            “The denomination with the longest history of objection to Freemasonry is the Roman Catholic Church. The objections raised by the Roman Catholic Church are based on the allegation that Masonry teaches a naturalistic deistic religion which is in conflict with Church doctrine.[72] A number of Papal pronouncements have been issued against Freemasonry. The first was Pope Clement XII’s In Eminenti, 28 April 1738; the most recent was Pope Leo XIII’s Ab Apostolici, 15 October 1890. The 1917 Code of Canon Law explicitly declared that joining Freemasonry entailed automatic excommunication.[73] The 1917 Code of Canon Law also forbade books friendly to Freemasonry. ”
            ……….

            Pay special attention to the dates in which these edicts against the Masons occurred.

            The term “Creator” is in our Declaration of Independence, again
            following the lines of Deism and not that of the whole Holy Trinity
            concept espoused primarily by the Catholics.

            In fact, if we look at the breakdown of the Founding Fathers (which goes beyond merely the signers of the Declaration of Independence) we find these numbers:

            Religious Affiliation
            of U.S. Founding Fathers# of
            Founding
            Fathers% of
            Founding
            Fathers

            Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
            Presbyterian 30 18.6%
            Congregationalist 27 16.8%
            Quaker 7 4.3%
            Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
            Lutheran 5 3.1%
            Catholic 3 1.9%
            Huguenot 3 1.9%
            Unitarian 3 1.9%
            Methodist 2 1.2%
            Calvinist 1 0.6%
            As you can see, the vast majority of them were non-Catholics and many would be considered today to be the more liberal of the religions in existence.

            I believe before we declare the USA to be a “Christian” nation, we need to look through the lens of history to see what the terms of the times actually meant.  Applying our definitions to documents of 235+ years ago when the fastest mode of transportation was a horse, probably is inaccurate.

        2. If you’re that hot and bothered about having to answer the door I suggest you put in a camera.  Scholar and Constitution expert, has written extensively about the Constitution’s foundation in the Christian faith of its authors.  I would also refer you to Skousen’s excellent book on the topic, “The Five Thousand Year Leap”.    Hillsdale College is now offering a free course on the Constitution for the enlightenment of anyone who is truly interested in learning about the foundation of our liberties.  Finally, “Render unto Caesar that which is Ceaser’s”- I don’t care about whether Catholics do or do not avail themselves of contraception.  That is between them and God.  You libs do have a strange habit of mocking that with which you don’t agree.

          1. I am far from hot and bothered about answering the door.  As I said, I am very polite to these people.  My point was not in the issue of answering the door.  It was that unlike us who are social liberals (what us RINOs are), we don’t go around knocking on people’s doors and trying to convert them to a particular religion.  The “answering the door” was an attempt to be a metaphor for the overly pro-active religious movement.  There are too many literalists in this country.

            With regard to the Hillsdale college, here’s a clip from Wiki.  I would say I am skeptical of its viewpoint being unbiased, being “a citadel of American conservatism:”

            ….
            Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan, United States, is a co-educational liberal arts college known for being the first American college to prohibit in its charter all discrimination based on race, religion, or sex[2]; its refusal of government funding; and its monthly publication, Imprimis.[3] National Review has described Hillsdale as a “citadel of American conservatism.”[4][5]
            ….

            And, with regard to Skousen, let’s say I likely would have very little in common with a person who supports the John Birch Society:

            ….
            Willard Cleon Skousen (January 20, 1913 – January 9, 2006) was an American author, conservative American Constitutionalist and faith-based political theorist.[2] He was also a prolific popularizer among Latter-day Saints (Mormons) of their theology. A notable anti-communist and supporter of the John Birch Society,[3] Skousen’s works involved a wide range of subjects including the Six-Day War, Mormon eschatology, New World Order conspiracies, and parenting.[4] His most popular works are The 5,000 Year Leap and The Naked Communist. A book by Skousen on end times prophecy, The Cleansing of America, was published by Valor Publishing Group in 2010, four years after his death.[5]
            ….

            As far as the Catholics go, I really could not care what they do either but it is very apparent they care what everyone else is doing.  A true conservative is far closer to a libertarian than what the neo-cons claim.  Today’s GOP is little more than a front for ultra-conservative religious dogma.  It is a far cry from the days of Ike, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Bush-41.  What happened to the conservatives such as Barry Goldwater who famously stated (way, way back when) with regard to gays in the military, “You don’t have to be straight to shoot straight.”  His point was just this – conservatism means individual freedoms and the removal of laws that restrict us from life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  The presumption is that people in the USA are entitled to do what they want as long as they are not harming others and it is not prohibited by law.

            Today’s conservative movement is the complete antithesis of this concept.  They want restrictions on every social issue such as gay marriage, abortion, birth control, sex, drugs, and rock and roll.  All of it is based upon religious tenets which have no place in our secular society that is here to serve ALL the people, not just those who cling to some particular form of Christianity.

            We (social) liberals have a strange way of mocking that which we don’t agree?  Perhaps, we do, but unlike today’s neo-cons, we really do put individual freedoms way ahead of government imposed (and religiously inspired) social restrictions.

            And, we are not talking about fiscal issues.  Some misguided people think social freedom mean liberal and liberal means government spending.  Get off that kick as it is incorrect.  The neo-cons want to strangle the government financially rather than have a solid pay-down plan that is workable, and while they are at it, let’s put bans on everything that is a social freedom that frankly is none of their damn business.

            The true Republican (now shamefully called a RINO) was always a fiscal conservative (but not meaning a nutbar about it) and a social liberal.  The real definition of conservative means just that – it has zero to do with “social conservatism.”  All that came about when the bible thumpers got their knickers in a twist.

            My point is that you can have all the religion you want – just keep it out of our government.

          2.  Haha Skousen.He’s been debunked by every thinking person on this planet.Anyone referenced by GB has no credibility ever.NONE!

      2.  That’s EXACTY the problem.He should be free to answer the door in a free country without being harassed by nuts.

    3. I am Catholic and attend Mass weekly. HOWEVER, I believe that Faith and Christianity have become more Public and less Personal.  I don’t agree with how everything from Government to News and Media push Religion on to people.  If people want to have a relationship with God they will have it.  If they choose not to or don’t believe, that is their right as well.  It is not fair for it to be pushed on to others and affect the way people vote when it comes to the civil rights of others.  Not very Christian like to control others is it?

    4. Christians do not go knocking on anyone’s doors or forcing anyone to attend church.  Jehovah’s Witnesses do.

      1. So, apparently Jehovah’s Witnesses are not Christians?  I am sure you will win some fans with that statement.  Actually, I have had many faiths knock on my door.  Here in the DC area, we are close enough to the South that we get a whole lot of bible thumpers, KKK members, and moon-beam types roaming the streets.  Despite signs outside requesting No Solicitation in our neighborhood, we still get these people because apparently “spreading the word of [their] God” is somehow exempt from homeowners’ organization rules.

        In fact, here’s a new rule:  People can’t use the generic term “Christian.”  From now on, they must use the name of their actual faith.  No more “I’m a Christian.”  Instead it will be, “I’m a [pick one:  Catholic, Baptist, Church of God, Mormon (do they count?), Methodist, Lutheran, etc.]”

        In this way, I figure they will be fighting amongst themselves so much, they will leave the rest of us alone.

        And, by the way, the Jehovah’s Witnesses did not “force” me to attend their services.  They invited me which I respectfully declined.  Forcing?  That would the Catholics, Evangelicals, and Fundamentalists, with regard to their kids.

    5.  I see that I got flagged(no surprise)What needs to happen is that all atheists and agnostics need to stand up and be counted.I’m with you 10000% on SSM.All your points are great!

      1. Actually, I am kind of surprised.  I didn’t see anything you wrote that would warrant that.

        Thanks for the comment on my points.  But, alas, they mostly fall on deaf ears.  For some reason, legalities and logic stand little chance with the faithful.  Those religion-blinders are pop-riveted on and they are not coming off.  That would be okay if they just stayed on their side of the fence but now they digging holes in my petunia patch.

    6. You could purchase a door sign. (on the internet)   http://www.mydoorsign.com  You will see 7 links on this home page. Pick the 2nd link titled custom door sign. There are 9 signs to choose from.  At the bottom of the middle row…3rd one down….is “customize your authorized people text.” Select that one and you will have the choices of red or green color, font style…text size  etc. It is 3″ x 10″   and costs $12.45. I didn’t go far enough to see what or if the S&H is extra. You could personalize it with “No Religious Solicitors.”
      They might offer this service at your local hardware stores also.

      1. As I mentioned in another reply, we have signs up already but apparently “the Word of God” is exempt from the likes of the Fuller Brush salesmen types and since it is imperative that I be “saved,” knocking on a door overrides any signage. 

  14.  Jesus was a liberal reformer who put love over law,  and the conservative religious nuts had him brutally murdered for it.  Today those same nuts would kill him all over again. 

  15. If they were going for realism, his snowy-white tunic would have been covered in blood.

  16. The conservatives crucified Jesus.

    And all he wanted was healthcare for the poor.

    Sound familiar?

  17. I wonder if any other religion would have received the same warm welcome if they had tried to force their dogma on the general public. I mean if someone had dragged a large stone alter into the middle of town and proceeded to have a  sacred orgy in the name of Baal, would we be reading a nice little fluff piece like this, or a police report?

  18. If they REALLY wanted to “follow Jesus,” they would have used all the money and time they wasted on this to feed the hungry and homeless. I suggest they stop living in the past and start doing something useful in the present.

    1. Before you make a comment like that I suggest you research what these people do with their private time. I would bet they do more then you or I to help those in need.

      1. Before you make a comment /assumption like that, you should do a little research to find out what I do for others of god’s creatures, both two legged and four. Your “bet” is a FAIL regarding me.

        1. So it’s a competition is it?  My point was that MANY people with a religious background do a lot for others.

          Wow, that must be difficult.
          Toiling away in anonymity. No one knowing that you do more for others then anyone else possibly could. Your gold star is in the mail. It will get there the moment PROOF that you’ve ever lifted a hand to help anyone is given

          Hey, I wrote SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL.   It’s to bad i’ll never get the credit. because I’m online I can tell you anything I want and demand that you believe me. For all I know you own pits and fight them all along thinking your a great animal person. Matter of fact I’ve decided that’s who you are. So it must be true. Or maybe your name is suggesting that you do “FREAKY things with dogs. Yea, that’s the ticket.

          4Th of July is a celebration of the PAST. As is Veterans day, Labor day. President’s day, MLK day. All NON RELIGIOUS celebrations of the past. So I guess it’s okay to celebrate those days but if someone throws religion in there you mock them.  Keep in mind that I do not believe in God. I just happen to find it amusing when people demean those with religious values. That list would include EVERY previous President including our current and just about every current and former leader one can bring to mind. Point being , there are people out there that believe in God that you admire.

          1.  Funny response to what was a quote of your own words….YOU set up the “competition” in your original post.  As to the rest of your response, you DEFINITELY have some issues–get help.

          2. No, it became a competition in YOUR mind when you stated you did more. The point was that these are people probably active in our society, unlike most. Whether they believe in God or not shouldn’t matter.  And it certainly shouldn’t open them to criticism from someone making ANONYMOUS  claims that they do more. 

            Also noted, I brought up a few questions, none of which you answered because you don’t have a response.

            Please enlighten me as to which part of my previous post was so irrational it just shouts, “I Need help!”?

    2.  I gotta wonder… How is it not a sin, even if its just pretend, to call your self Jesus? Imitating a god usually isn’t kosher. Plus wouldn’t anyone who knelt before this false Christ also be committing a sin and buying a one way ticket to Hell?

      1. If god cared one way or the other, wouldn’t he just say so ? Unless he is incapable of expressing his dissatisfaction, then why would we assume he’s not ok with it. Isn’t the default for christians the positive view? For example, if someone says “prove your god exists.” The default christian position is “Prove he doesn’t.” right? In fact I see this as my new default position, if the almighty has a problem with what I’m doing, or with what’s happening in the world, he can tell us himself. Until then I’m just going to assume that everything we do is ok with the christian god.

  19. In the 30 some years when Brooklyn Heights was my home away from home one of my favorite annual rituals was quite a long  good friday procession ( not as the theatrically costumed as the one featured here)  through the streets stopping  reading prayers and singing mid block on every block.  People would just join in and follow as it passed their house or come out and sit on the stoop to watch them pass and hear them.

    For believers and non believers it was a powerful, beloved and much anticipated annual event which bound us if not in common faith in a common love and respect of neighborhood culture and traditions which bound as neighbors to one another.

  20.  They would most definitely crucify Him for telling the truth, just like the first time. This truth can only be found upon much honest contemplation, not condemnation.

  21. This is just another example of why Bangor needs to tear down the bridges to Brewer.  Keep riff-raff like this on the trashy side of the river where they belong.

  22. It is interesting to read the comments by the same liberals who want the rich to pay for the poor but also do not want to give praise to the one who was sent to help the poor. You will also want to take note that the bible tells us to pay our taxes so that gov’t can do its job and help the poor, I have a hard time with that one, but  accept it. The book also mentions that if you believe you can expect to be ridiculed and mocked. I read many comments just on this one article and that prophesy is true. Happy Holy Week everyone! 

  23. Your several posts prove to me you are a person whose faith is in the state. You see government as the answer to all our woes.    Government, politicians, organizations, family, friends, spouses, children will always diappoint you.  But God will always be there for you, God knows the depth of your soul, God know you better than you know yourself.  Even during horrible times in life, God has not abandoned you.  The beauty to all this is free will, you have been given the choice to accept  God’s help or reject it and go alone. You would be a much happier person if you would set aside the pride and welcome God into your life.  God bless and have a nice day.

    1. Isn’t “the god” everything? Wouldn’t “everything” include the state, politicians, orgs., family, friends, the…this and that? Double-talk is a dangerous thing….. 
      Be well and have a perfect day. 

  24. As a non-Catholic Christian, I don’t particularly identifywith the Stations of the Cross, but I also don’t believe the outpouring of streotypical “dislike” (I won’t use the “H” word), even crude statements in many of the posts was appropriate.

    1. Oh, I don’t mind the little parade.  It’s mostly harmless and probably caused no more of a traffic jam than would the average fender-bender.

      A little notice would have been handy.  Where I am, there is a local mega-church.  I have to remember to not travel down that road on Sunday as there are our local cops out there directly traffic (presumably on my taxes) and it gets backed up for quite a while.

  25. Jesus, if he existed, was a brown skinned middle eastern liberal who healed the sick, fed the hungry, and lifted up the poor, all without asking for a cent. Everything the GOP fears…

  26. Says quite a lot about the whole reason for the parade if the Church can’t find even one worthy person to play the lead role.

  27. Agnostic here. Why give these people a hard time” You don’t know them and you are no better than them.

    1.  Non religious here. I don’t mind such displays. I think it’s good for all of us to witness the cultures of other people so that we may understand them. Understanding promotes peace.

      And despite our differences, we all like peace.

      We can argue about ideology and ritual. Because that too promotes understanding. You don’t have to agree with it. You don’t have to like it. But we should never attempt to silence another’s voice.

      And interestingly, one of my comments was flagged for review. How long does this review take exactly? In light of some of these other comments, mine was well behaved.

      x

  28. I hope he wasn’t running down the street with fake blood coming from his brow and his hands as was the man who played “Jesus” in a play we had at church when I was a kid.  If so, I’d have to make sure any small children were out of eyes’ reach.  That aside, it’s great that they all share a belief and had this opportunity to get together to share a story they hold dear and true, but Main Street?  Come on!  The more I see of this type of thing, the more I wonder why it seems to be the religious folks who are the ones complaining about taking away their rights (content children are being taught at school, etc.), yet they never seem to have an issue broadcasting their beliefs around.  A bit hypocritical perhaps?

  29.  
    In response to many of the comments on this page:

     They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles
    to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be
    raised to life!”” Matthew 20: 17-19 NIV  (He is being mocked and flogged on this page!)

    The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

    Proverbs 1:6-8

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions.

    Proverbs 18:1-3

    1.  Yep fools sure do despise wisdom and instruction. How is that whole fossil record revealing the Earth is far older than 6,000 years old working out for you. Or how about the fact the Earth is not the center of the universe, or for that matter there are several million other universes out there. How about the discovery that our immune system comes directly from Neaderthal/Human copulation? Wisdom is in knowing that no one thing knows everything. Intelligence is when faced with evidence and proof you accept prior beliefs were wrong.

      1. Sorry Dane, there is no fact in what you are saying.  And as far as it working out for me…well, lets just say, I would sooner place my trust in Christ than in some scientest.  We are talking about two different wisdoms.  I’m talking about the wisdom to recognize Christ as Lord and Savior. 

  30. “He” isn’t the one being mocked. Don’t cast a stone and then run behind Jesus.

    It’s you people who have spent much of the past 2 centuries throwing your weight around as followers.

    x

  31. Christians say Jesus is pronounced ‘ Geezus’. 
    In Mexico there are many people named Jesus but it is pronounced as ‘Hey Zeus’.  I think the Mexicans and Greeks had it right. 

    Say Jesus was real and he was god or the son of god who was turned into human form and sent to Earth then was crucified on the cross to cleanse the sins of humanity. He was a spirit creature before he came to Earth. Suppose He is infinite, has been here forever and will be here forever. He lived for 33 years on Earth. How long is 33 years to an immortal, a fraction of an eye blink? Now he is back where he started, a spirit creature in heaven supposedly, what did he actually sacrifice? Less than a blink of  an eye. Not much in my opinion.

  32. This parade has absolutely nothing to do with the Resurrection or living a Christian life.  It’s a desperate  attempt by the Church to show the public they are still powerful.  They aren’t.  They  are a debased horror of old men, who took meaningless vows of poverty, chastity and celibacy which somehow have been interpreted to mean:  enrich the coffers of the Vatican at the expense of the poor,  sexually abuse little children, use politics to promote their religion and wage constant war against women.

  33. This is a far bigger spectacle and public nuisance than what the Bar Harbor Bat Man had going on. 

  34. Can you imagine the backlash if the police or City of Brewer, or anyone working for the government had the audacity to try to prevent these people from parading, or blocking traffic? There would be such rending of garments and gnashing of teeth that you would hear it all the way to Boston, and woe unto him who tries to stand up to the Jesus parade… Face it: we live in their world. We’re lucky they let US use the roads at all on Sundays.

  35. Jesus was a good man. He taught good sound values that we still live by today… I think I will cry now.

  36. Not much gets a consistent progressive liberal going on a tear than a good opportunity to do some good old Jesus hating.

    1. You are wrong.  Progressives believe in the words of Jesus.  It’s the bible thumping, false morality and  judgmental hypocrisy of conservative christians that elicits the antagonism

        1. One does not have to be a devout anything to recognize ethical thinking in any religion.  Acknowledging the validity of Jesus’s philosophy does not require one to give up atheism and become  a christian.

          1. You could not stand up to the scrutiny of Jesus’ teachings and still hold that position. You are a “Christ hater” by scriptural definition. As soon as conviction appears, you will set foot to flight.

  37. Many of those who oppose Christians seem to agree with the idea that they don’t dislike Jesus, but that they dislike his followers.  Here is something Jesus said to his followers in Luke 10:16.

     “The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

    1. Who says the words conservative christians bring are the words of Christ and not just some sanctimonious self-serving clap trap they made up.

      1. msallyjones, maybe we should be worshiping you instead of God, since you seem to have knowledge of all things.

    2. I don’t oppose Christians, but I am also not exactly Christian myself.  I was brought up as a Christian, but I don’t attend now.  I have in many respects turned away from religion.  I do have to agree with.  I know that I for one do not dislike the story of Jesus, but I do dislike a lot of his alleged followers (not all, but lots).   I think the key word is “alleged” here.  I see very few people who claim to be Christian who actually follow the example that was taught in the Bible by their “Jesus.”  So I guess we don’t really dislike his followers either.  We just don’t think he has many.

    3.  Gandhi described it beautifully,

      “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians
      Your Christians are so unlike your Christ”

      x

  38. Jesus was neither liberal nor conservative because neither of the two parties existed.  You political nuts need to do some research.  Our forefathers of the USA would be ashamed if they saw today how this country was ruled.

    1. Ruled? I was hoping we still had some time left before we had a ruler… Someday when it is to late we will awake to a ruler

  39. When the Catholic Church starts putting money into helping real people out of real poverty instead of  putting it into  rental costumes, political fights, pope mobiles,  tax exempt real estate, wars against women, protecting priests that sin, lavish apartments and art collections for its hierarchy then I will start believing it is a religion and not just  another corrupt power seeking political institution.

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