BANGOR, Maine — A federal judge on Friday ruled in favor of Gov. Paul LePage in a lawsuit concerning the governor’s controversial removal of a Department of Labor mural, saying LePage’s action amounted to “government speech.”
In a 90-page opinion, U.S. District Judge John A. Woodcock Jr. granted motions for summary judgment in favor of LePage and members of his administration. The judge also dismissed two counts of an amended complaint filed by the plaintiffs.
The decision essentially denied a trial of the lawsuit seeking to compel LePage to restore the mural to the walls of the Department of Labor building in Augusta.
“The prospect of [hauling] a sitting governor into federal court to be cross-examined under oath as to why he made a political decision may momentarily cheer the partisan,” Woodcock wrote. “But the long-term implications of federal court intervention in state politics are sobering.”
The judge said that because Maine owns the mural, it is free to do what it wants with the artwork.
“The record establishes that the idea for the commissioning of the mural began with the state of Maine, that Maine established its theme, that Maine commissioned its creation, that Maine chose the artist, that Maine paid for the mural, that Maine owns the mural, that Maine displays (or not) the mural on its own property, and that Maine even has the right to destroy it,” Woodcock wrote.
The judge said the state of Maine engaged in “government speech” when it commissioned and displayed the mural.
“It follows that Gov. LePage also engaged in government speech when he removed the mural,” Woodcock wrote. “The governor’s message — whether verbal or in the form of the expressive act of removal — is government speech.”
LePage’s decision to remove the mural, which contains 11 panels depicting the history of Maine’s labor movement, gained national attention, including a disapproving editorial in The New York Times and sendups by political comedians such as Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
LePage initially stated that the mural displayed a one-sided view of Maine’s labor history, but said later during an interview with NBC’s Brian Williams that his objection stemmed from where the money used to pay for the mural was obtained.
“Regardless of Judge Woodcock’s opinion, while we may not have yet prevailed in the court of law, we already have prevailed in the court of public opinion,” the plaintiffs’ attorney, Jeffrey Neil Young, said in a statement. “Mainers recognize what the court has failed to appreciate, that the removal of the mural is nothing less than government censorship of artistic speech in violation of the First Amendment.”
Young added that the plaintiffs were still studying the opinion and would decide in the near future whether to appeal the ruling to the 1st Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston.
“We’ve always believed that this was a frivolous, politically motivated lawsuit,” said LePage spokeswoman Adrienne Bennett. She said it would be “stunning” if government officials were barred from making decisions about what artwork can hang in public buildings.
Bennett declined Friday to disclose the whereabouts of the mural, saying only that it is in storage and in a safe place.
That place, however, is not the Maine State Museum, deputy director Sheila McDonald said Friday.
“It is not here,” she said. “We don’t have it at the museum. I actually don’t know where it is, but it’s my understanding that it’s in a safe place.”
Bennett said Friday that no plans have been made with regard to displaying the piece in the near future.
“The [court] decision just came down today and we’ll be revisiting those questions in the coming days,” after the governor returns from his vacation in Jamaica, she said.
Brooksville artist Robert Shetterly, one of three Maine artists named as plaintiffs in the lawsuit, expressed disappointment at Woodcock’s ruling.
“I have found Judge Woodcock to be an astute and thoughtful person,” Shetterly said Friday in a telephone interview. “However, I think he’s wrong about this being a matter of government speech. His decision is basically timid. I think it’s a sad decision.”
Shetterly, who travels to classrooms throughout Maine and across the country to speak about his “Americans Who Tell The Truth” series of portraits, said the ruling wasn’t a total surprise to him since Woodcock earlier had expressed reluctance to intervene in the matter. Shetterly said Woodcock had earlier suggested the “best remedy was the ballot” instead of a court ruling.
“The whole doctrine of government speech is a fallacious one,” he said. “This is just honest history, pure and simple. No one can argue with the depiction of Maine’s labor history that’s in the mural.”
Maine Attorney General William J. Schneider applauded Woodcock’s decision.
“One of the cornerstones of American democracy is free expression — by individuals and the government,” Schneider said in a statement. “As citizens, we want our government officials to speak and express their views. Any effort by a small group to attempt to control government’s speech by bringing elected officials to trial should be viewed as a threat to our democratic principles. I am pleased that the court agreed that just as individuals are free to speak, so too is the government.”
Jason Savage, executive director of the West Enfield-based group Maine People Before Politics, also issued a statement supporting the ruling.
“Hopefully this closes yet another chapter in the history of those who would rather play politics than restore Maine’s promise,” said Savage. “From the beginning, Maine people could see that this lawsuit was not about right and wrong, it was about people who disagreed with the governor making a political statement.”
BDN staffers William P. Davis and Dawn Gagnon contributed to this report.



Really, LePage? You’re focusing your efforts on a mural? How about doing something worthwhile for the state instead?
He isn’t focused on the Mural, all crazy liberals are (hence the court case), He is doing something worthwhile, but after 30+ years of misdirection in Augusta it is going to take a while.
Actually, it was Wall Street that destroyed the economy in 2008, which dropped all the States into financial holes. See the Oscar-winning documentary, Inside Job.
And note that several key players are currently still involved in running this country !
Are you referring to Mssrs Frank & Dodd I suspect?
I get tired of this constant whineing about Democrats in control for 30-40- years!
What, do you people live in a Vacuum?
The Republicans have had Representatives in Maine Government ALL this time, if they where ineffective ——-blame them!
Democrats and Democrats lite.
yet were told to sit in the corner by the leadership which were dems…. I never forget anything, it’s may be treatable but I like keeping on top of things.
If you do what you are told, thats your fault.
“Doing something worthwhile” is removing a mural and then refusing to tell the owners (the people) where it is?
Do you have a receipt?
No need….a hand shake will suffice……..
Ryan , have you noticed the redecorating that Michelle and Barak have done. I don’t think the Bush family would recognize the place. Just saying that he can decorate or redecorate all he wants it is after all a tradition in government circles.
There’s a big difference: The White House is the president’s home; the Maine Department of Labor building is not Gov. LePage’s home.
The White House is much more than the President’s home. It is the head office of the executive branch of the U.S. Government as well.
I want my 60K$ back for that stupid piece of trash they call a Mural!
In case you missed the ruling, it was paid for by the State of Maine and belongs TO the State of Maine. On top of that, why would he invite destruction and compromise the safety of the piece by making public the whereabouts of the artwork?
It’s on E-Bay now. The bidding is up to 3 dollars and ends at 9 tonight. You could probably snipe it for 6 bucks.
Why bother, they had replicas at Mardens and no one bought them, too ugly and reminded everyone of the hackerama Baldi Amdinistration.
The sad par is they wasted 60,000$ of TaxPayer money on the garbage!
Heck, The Penguin wastes that much each year paying his kid’s salary.
Actually, the mural was paid for by a grant from the US Labor Department, and they want their money back. I wonder whose budget LePage is going to cut to pay that bill.
But he is working at it thanks Paul.
you would thank but hes greedy and only for him self and not for the people
He is trying to. The State mentality of giving everything away has got to stop. The only thing ME is in the top 10 list of the States in the US is the wrong end of good.
The governor will take your call in the order it was received after he returns from his vacation.
lmao How about all the cuts he’s made trying to make up for the budget short-fall baldy left? Or the reforms he’s made to the welfare system to attempt to get people to use it correctly, as a short-term aid for those who just need a little help getting back on their feet? Hmm…guess that’s not as important though huh?
You folks brought on the suit. Our Great Governor Paul LePage as was myself , happy with where the painting sits in a dark damp basement.. I wonder if the painting would grind, do you know if it would?
Thanks to this present administration, we are not in the one to two billion dollar hole that was “knocking on our door”- left by the last administration. People from the unions or followers of the unions were always refocusing this administration on the mural, not the other way around.
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LePage didn’t focus any efforts at all on the mural. He simply ordered it removed. His detractors focused all of their efforts on bashing LePage over the removal. They even sued him over it and they lost.
Micheal Savage stated that liberalism is a mental disease (where is reality-not with you).
This decision comes as no surprise, given that the Supreme Court itself is horribly corrupted by big money, for example the recent decision to allow SuperPacs in Citizen’s United.
And if he ruled the other way, he would of been a great Judge.
It would have depended on his arguments, but the decision would have been ethical.
I believe in right vs. wrong, not Dem vs. Republican.
I don’t like blind people driving cars…
Why didn’t the court examine the relationship of The Reed Act to the mural case, do you suppose? It was the use of these unemployment insurance funds that paid for the mural.
You need to grow up.
Yes the supreme court is corrupt in my opinion… Yet you seem to think we should force one governors beliefs onto another without choice… if so why don’t we Just give a lifetime appointment to someone as governeor.. would you feel better with a facist in power and his own face on all the painting in government offices…..
seems you want a choice of paintings yet nobody else can have one..
we need tovote lapage out he id reining our lives by taking alot og things away from us like our welfare taxes and other stuff like mainecare that alot of us need see hes rich we was and always will so we dont need him because he don’t see what he is doing to us poor people that need it
Funny! LMAO!
huh?
LOL!! That was my first reaction also…..
Perhaps you shouldn’t drive and post at the same time !
I hope the driving worked out better than the posting…
Ummmm….most people on here speak the English language. You should try to do the same. Apparently, English, spelling, grammar, punctuation and sentence structure weren’t among your stronger subjects in school.
May the spin begin.
I agree with you
Even funnier!
There we have it, engaged in “Government Speech”…..Mr. Young states “we have already prevailed in the court of public opinion”……really?? How much has it cost the public, in your opinion, to hear this foolishness in court to begin with?? Study those 90 pages Mr. Young and see if you can drag this thing on and on, and on and on, and…….
perfect response Pab.
Thank you for your support…..it seems our exchange of previous pleasantries have been lost in disqus outer space…..Crazy……
God forbid anyone get on here and be friendly or civil. : )
The Pandora’s box of ‘government speech’ has now officially been opened.
Is it possible there is a little hope at the bottom or is all evil from here out?
The government has always had the right to choose the decor in any government building. Nothing newly “opened” here. It is stunning that you did not know that. I am sorry that you seem to be depressed about it though. Counseling maybe?
If we elect a governor who believes that war is immoral, he(or she) could unilaterally remove our war memorials claiming that they foster an atmosphere of violence and claim this case as precedent.
Do you think that would be good. It would be “government speech”
Not at all. War memorials generally come under various Parks Departments purview and were placed their by the elected legislature. That’s not to say that a legislature like that could not be elected and make that decision . But that is a whole different issue than an executive making a decision on a state office building. I know the article was not clear on the reasoning (the writer didn’t want to go through 90 pages to get the real story. ) but the fact is a decision was made and a pretty obvious one.
Woodcock? Yeah no bias there. No blindfold on this judgement. Political speech to begin with? Wow. Watch out people. This judge just opened a fury of attacks against your rights.
And who was it that appointed Woodcock? Oh yeah, Baldacci.
No Judge Woodcock is a federal judge and Bush appointed him and was vetted by a democratic congress.
His sister is an Assistant United States Prosecuting Attorney in the District of Vermont operating out of Brattleboro, Rutland and Burlington.
Just out of curiosity what rights of yours were violated?
Chalk up another for the Baggers and the Buffoon … this is getting more pathetic by the day! Wake up, people. You got who you 38% voted for and the rest of us are paying the price!
Yup, another victory for the baggers and the buffoons. They beat you in 2010, passed a whole boatful of legislation so they beat you there, now they beat you in court.
How does it feel to be proven wrong and get outsmarted by the ‘baggers and the buffoon’ so often?
What does that say about you?
The only way john could win was to make sure there were 5 people running for office, he won his first time with 36% 2nd time john won with 34% , Were you yelling then???
I hope this puts an end to this. I don’t understand why just a few people wasted so much money with out doing their home work on the legal end of things. Guess the lawyers made out again. 90 pages to tell people to go on with their lives.
Can we get some screeching about “activist judges” or does that only happen when you don’t like the opinion given?
“activist judges!!!”…”activist judges!!!”…”activist judges!!!”
Always willing to help out :)
I hear you jd. Those bleeding heart liberals are just going to have to suck it up
and go back and re-read their RULES FOR RADICALS by Saul Alinsky. Maybe uN
Balanced Michaud can lend them his copy, eh?
Speaking of which did you read this story in today’s paper that another one of those “activist judges” slapped the taxpayer funded FBI for withholding videotapes they took from the Oklahoma City bombing that might link the FBI to the creation of the Oklahoma City bombing? LOL
see link for full story
http://www.republicmagazine.com/news/federal-judge-slaps-fbi-for-continuing-okc-bombing-cover-up.html
Federal Judge Slaps FBI for Continuing OKC Bombing Cover-Up
Posted on 22 March 2012 by William Grigg
During a March 20 hearing in Salt Lake City, U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups described as “astounding” the FBI’s claim that critical video of the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing had simply gone “missing” – an assertion that buttresses attorney Jesse Trentadue’s belief that the Bureau has spared no effort to cover up critical facts about the atrocity.
I realize it’s pro-forma nowadays to insult community organizing in general and Saul Alinsky in particular but there is nothing wrong with community organizing, in fact, it’s the very basis of our republic! The early colonists ORGANIZED against the British to form the United States of America and community organizing has been an American tradition ever since. Nowadays, community organizing can consist of varied activities from fund-raising for playgrounds, working in warming centers, helping at a bottle drive so kids can take a field trip, or going door-to-door to gain neighborhood support to build a park in the center of town – at least this is the kind of community organizing I take part in. I’m not ashamed to be a community organizer at all, rather I’m proud to take part in making positive change. I’ll bet you’ve even participated in your own community now and then to make it a better place, at least I hope you have. Have you read Saul Alinksy or do you merely parrot back what the demagogues tell you? Please THINK before you attack.
Just keep those activists off my lawn.
Spineless judges is more like it.
I said all along that if one Governor had the right to put this mural up another would have the right to take it down.
And well said on both accounts……
Absolutley
Worst part of this whole story is that taxpayers forked over $60,000 for this in the first place, all to stroke Laura Fortman’s ego.
And the tax payers paid again to defend LePage’s decision in court.
Because , taking a standard play out of the liberal playbook, some self-righteous liberals sued the state. They should pay for the state’s defense of this totally frivolous lawsuit.
The liberal peasants were merely defending the rights of free speech. No court action would have been warranted had not your ideological-bound tea party governor removed a simple mural which tells of Maine’s not so pleasant working conditions.
Erroneous information. The Reed Act was instituted in 1954.
http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf
Uncle harry Reed?
The U.S. Department of Labor has requested that its contribution of $60,000 be returned.
Good. Maybe the tax dollars will be spent on unemployment benefits as intended instead of on office decoration. Send the bill to Laura Fortman.
and common sense for all…good on ya Judge!! Let’s put this behind us childrens and find some other non-sensical left-wing conspiracy to clog the courts with.
and that would be your opinion…
No surprise! Meanspirited stupidity is included in goverment speach. The mural is a big hearted loving tribute to the people of Maine’s past, their spirit, and courage. This tribute will last long after the memory of this twit of a governor has mercifully passed away.
“meanspirited stupiditys” ?????? Is there such thing as goodspirited stupiditys?
Harry
Keep your eyes peeled and take notes. The flightless bird will provide you material for a thesis.
Not just for Lepage, but for the entire state’s working population.
There are talented high school and college kids in our state that would have jumped at the chance to paint something like this-FOR NOTHING.
There are talented high school kids in our State that could manage the State government more effectively than Penguin.
But can they conduct state business from Jamaica?
No, you really could not be more effective.
I dont know about that he is trimming that big fat wastefull budget down just like he said he would. And he is not worried about being popular about it.Hes doing the job he was voted in to do and becoming more popular all the time!! Go LePage
Yeah – Go Le Page. Just go.
Unfortunately, they, no matter how talented, could have “painted something like this.”
This is not art you buy in a motel room. This was one talented artist’s depiction of the crummy working conditions Mainers had to live with under their sweat shop bosses.
I don’t think the credentials of the artist is really questioned by most observers. I find it somewhat ironic that we didn’t spend that money helping actual low income workers improve their lot in life or at the very least had a very talented up and coming poor artist do the work. The message could have been conveyed for far less money. Do you really think the average person comming into that area really cared or had an appreciation for the work?
I believe a large percentage of Mainers hadn’t even seen the mural, much less knew it was there.
So it’s amusing to read these angered anti-anti’s damning liberals and the mural, without knowing anything about it.
We should probably thank Le Page for drumming up appreciation for the work.
Three cheers for nothing! ….
Awe..
Sanity 1…moonbats 0
I’d say it’s a big indication that the governor has more artistic taste than the all in the previous administration combined. Or is that hyperbole?
Please, may I never have to see that mural again.
The Governor has no class!
Thats why he keeps ending up in court!
And he keeps winning… do you need a tissue? It must be horrible to realize that all your ignorance is being displayed in public by your own hand.
He won Nothing!
Other than reaffirming his right to excercise his natural ability to insult the people of Maine..
wrong as usual. oh well, the inept occupant of the blaine house is a 1 termer so the mural will be back, better than ever
Are you a prophet now heyrube?
Actually he will be a lame penguin… I mean duck… come 11 / 6 / 2012 . Wouldn’t be surprised if he “pulls a Palin” and quits before his term is up.
I think the mural should be put up in the state museum so that we can charge people who paid for it to see it !
Good job.
Wow, Diane’s comment removed……someone really does need a tissue……
Too many “likes” . Plus Stillrelaxin came on the board, you can take it from there can’t you?
The Liberals can’t handle the truth. They want to muffle the voices of the people each chance they can get. They are angry that LePage has won again.
He won Nothing!
Other than reaffirming his right to excercise his ability to insult the people of Maine.
Thats not saying much !
“Regardless of Judge Woodcock’s opinion, while we may not have yet prevailed in the court of law, we already have prevailed in the court of public opinion,” the plaintiffs’ attorney, Jeffrey Neil Young, said in a statement.
Spoken like a true loser.
waaaa now go home and cry about it !!!
No worries Nov. is just around the corner and the 2010 extremists will only be remembered as a blight in history.
LePage will be elected again because hes the man who can!!!! GO LePAGE
I’d love to hear the net good that this entire freak show has brought to our state?
What is the big deal here ? Just paint another picture with Democrat Secretary of Labor Laura Fortman in it (oh, and throw in another union goon wielding a club, too).
How hard can THAT be??
“while we may not have yet prevailed in the court of law, we already have prevailed in the court of public opinion,” the plaintiffs’ attorney, Jeffrey Neil Young, said in a statement.”
Ummmm…..no, you haven’t. You’ve wasted time, money, ink and pixels on a petty losing argument. Get over it.
LOL.I love hearing the wailing and lamentations of liberals on a Friday afternoon. Makes for a great weekend.
“For I say unto you, as you do to the least of my brothers, so you do unto me.”
Matthew 25
The wailing and laments will get louder as we approach that crucial November voting day.
Have a pleasant weekend.
I can’t wait to exert my own right to “Government Speech” next November. No government speech should ever be louder or viewed as more important than that of the citizens who vote. It will be a rude awakening for the GOP/Tea Party crowd. Will they learn their lesson? Doubtful. This group seems pretty resistant to learning. Oh well, life’s a beach and that beach isn’t always one chosen by people who vacation every year in Jamaica.
Judge Woodcock…Great, reasoned decision. The Democrats look like a bunch of FOOLS…again.
When they find out who stole the “Maine…Open for Business,” I hope they end up in your court!
Seriously, if LePage had been a democrat, and took down a mural that had a powerful message, I have no doubt–based on your obvious bias against all Dems–that you would rant and rail about how evil it was.
I’m willing to admit that the Democrats are badly corrupt, but I have yet to meet a single Republican in these forums who is willing to admit any GOP problems, or even be polite and rational.
Where have all the William F. Buckley’s gone?
Well, there, we do agree on something…Democrats are badly corrupt.
And yes there are GOP problems…they’re called Democrats and their social programs.
Until you can admit that the GOP is corrupt, in the service of the big corporate money, as are the Democrats) you’re going to keep getting played by hate-mongers.
Hate is clay to silver-tongued politicians.
For the record spruce, I can certainly admit that and I have, many times on these very boards. Both sides of the aisle are corrupt and in politics for themselves. It is rare when someone in Augusta or Washington are actually working for the people that elected them.
Truer words were never spoken.
So why does everyone keep voting the same ones back into office? Regardless of party they all need to go. It’s time to bring in new blood.
Because, in general, the voting public is very uniformed. Their entire knowledge is based on biased commentary, and negative ads.
But if you read most of the posts about politics, the ones who claim to be well informed are the ones who only vote party lines. You have one fool posting he is only voting for people with a “D” by their names. The sad part is as of right now he has 52 followers. Yet they are the first to complain about the mess we’re in.
“D” stands for Dig. And we’re digging you out of the hole Bush left us all in.
When was Bush Governor of Maine?
Your generalization includes the State of Maine. I.E. “The mess we’re in.” One created by Bush and t’other by Le Page.
It seems most of the posts you comment on you mention a president. Last I knew we were discussing the Governor. GO LEPAGE!!!
You and the elitist republicans always stab the president. Rants about Le Page usually carry a dig about the president.
Supporters of this man posing as governor must be rich, just like the one percent suffering on one million dollar salaries, surrounded by bodyguards.
Obama 2012
There are bad Repubican as there are bad Democrats the only difference is the Republicans are held to a higher standard. If a Republican had done the things Charlie Rangle, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters and a host of other had, they would have been long gone.
Agreed
Funny, I know what you mean. I was just thinking the same about Nixon, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, and so many more. Somehow, they all appear to have lost the “high standards” of the republican party.
Fine, we agree. So what do we do about it?
No, they’re called corruption, cronyism and nepotism.
Both parties are full of corruption.
In order to think for yourself, you must question authority.
Oh save the baloney for the butcher. You LOVE social programs of all kinds, and you know it. You LOVE the SS and Medicare you will get when you are old (unless you are old already and using them already). You LOVE the federal, state, and local parks of all sizes you use. You LOVE the public schools you attended and those your kids and relatives attend(ed), and all the clubs and/or sports programs you and yours enjoy(ed) on the public dollar. You LOVE the postal service and are happy as hayseed that it is there, and you use it all the time. You LOVE your roads, bridges, sidewalks, boat launches, airports, wharves, beaches, and public arenas. You LOVE the fire and police departments when you need them. You are deeply in LOVE with the bloated US Military, the most “socialist” program there is. You LOVE the VA. You LOVE the taxpayer subsidies to the oil corporations and many others. You LOVE that your REPUBLICANS just sponsored and passed a bill to spend three hundred grand on a study for a “socialist” east/west highways in Maine. You LOVE all these and many others, and you use the “social programs and services” I have cited and others frequently. So enough of the endless right wing lies and hypocrisy. You people are “socialists” as much as anyone, and often much moreso.
Thanks for the intelligent rant. Save those thoughts and use them well. The truth is a bright blade.
{ You LOVE social programs of all kinds, and you know it. }
You need to understand the Conservative mind.
Its not a Social program when “they” use it , just when everybody “else” does!
We love our families too.
It is the know-it-all libs we struggle to tolerate.
As liberals we are ready to share and assist anyone in need. We’d even help you.
is your name Briney or WHINEY
Easy there big fella, you’re dealing with a poster who throws the race card around like beads at Madi Gras.
The race card usually spearheads all of tea party republican rants. They’ve been using it since Barack Obama was elected president.
Yours?
Whatever you prefer. You have a huge assortment of names, so it shouldn’t be taxing to find something that reflects your character.
I don’t understand how you can call an east to west highway socialist? It’s there for everyone to use, saving gas to get from one end of the state to the other? Yes, we all love those depts. you quoted and we all use them. SS is something we invested our money in every year that we worked. It’s not an entitlement. We actually paid for it for our future. And for the state parks, the fire and police depts and such, isn’t that why we pay taxes? to pay them? and to pay for our streets to be plowed, our roads to be mended, our young men and women serving our country to be paid? Just think of that stupid Solyndra money that was thrown away and how many folks that could have helped. Like I said before, this isn’t a political debate for me… it’s that mural doesn’t show Maine at her best. It’s an ugly, brutal picture where bullies make employees pay, even if what the money goes to goes against their beliefs…
It has been a Canadian goal for decades to cut the distance from, New Brunswick to Quebec.
What Canadian shooting along at 90 mph is going to stop for a cup of Java in Skowhegan, or, Livermore Falls, or, wherever?
It’s a Canadian dream to be able to go around Maine without having to stop for anything.
Anyway – what happened to the mural?
I agree. They constantly exhibit and praise socialistic achievement in this country. Your examples are proof of their hypocrisy and lies fostered on us by their ministers of hate and propaganda ministers .
The republican tea party is socialistic. Myopia prevents them seeing it, as much as it preveents them seeing how close they are linked to fascism.
So far I’ve paid about $300,000 into SS and Medicare and plan to use it when I’m 66. They call it a trust fund and what I put in is supposed to be mine. I’m happy to pay a tax on gasoline in order to build and maintain roads and would be willing to pay more to keep roads in top condition. I’m glad that we have a military that keeps this country safe and I am willing to pay for that service. Most of what you posted in your rant is exactly what government is supposed to be. What it is not supposed to be is the answer to all of our personal problems. Providing for people, paying for their food, medical needs and paying their mortgage when they cannot is not government responsibility. Nice try twisting what government is supposed to do and calling it welfare but its an old and tired argument. Did you pick that up from MSNBC or from Stephen King radio?
amen
Tinserblic, You hit the nail on the head. They have taken the hypocrite oath for sure. Or is that for doctors?:)
You my friend are blinded by party politics, both sides of the isle are corrupt and most of them are working for only themselves. If you really believe the Democrats are the only ones that are corrupt you are really not being truthful with yourself or you are completly oblivious to what is going on in this country by the politicians. They are both raping this country and working for only those who are providing the money for them to run for office again.
You should be a judge. To rule that Democrats are badly corrupt, based on your experience from watching Murdoch’s propagandists and “Etch A Sketch” and “No Pill, No Porn,” we are deeply grateful. The republican party has yet to drag itself out of its lethargy and attempt to find some reason behind its idiocy.
You’re just soaked in tea party rot.
If you think Dems are “corrupt,” then you must think Republicans are literally reincarnations of Satan.
“When the representative body have lost the confidence of their constituents, when they have notoriously made sale of their most valuable rights, when they have assumed to themselves powers which the people never put into their hands, then indeed their continuing in office becomes dangerous.” –Thomas Jefferson
But that DIDN’T happen.
The current crop would have thrown Buckley out on his ear. Too much of a pointy headed intellectual for the bully boys.
You can have the sign in our town…you Republicans are acting like nit wits with that sign for starters…among other things…
The TeaNut GOPers will be the ones looking like fools when they get CRUSHED in November, just like we CRUSHED them last November on their attack on voting rights and their silly nuttiness about “voter fraud”. Their electoral thrashing has just begun.
I know! I voted 27 different times, under several different names just to make sure this got repealed.
I’m impressed by your dedication to the cause. Even if the mural isn’t returned to the Department of Labor, it deserves to hang in a place where the public can appreciate it. The mural is a tribute to the working person. No politician should deny us that tribute in his haste to stand shoulder to shoulder with big business.
It took a District Judge and a summary judgement decree to make them look like a bunch of fools,
The Republicans do it on their own every day!
“When they find out who stole the “Maine…Open for Business,”Why, that was none other than your hypocr…..uh, Guv, who took it with him on his spending spree in Jamaica (hint-foreign country – Maine isn’t). Who’s the “FOOL” now?
D’ya s’pose he’ll dismiss it as “Citizen Speech?” Or, is “Government Speech” the rule today?
He who readily calls another a fool, should address the one in the mirror, first.
Did you notice that Ptkitty has 71 people who liked her comment. sometimes in life we should look at the whole picture and decide if maybe we have jumped to the wrong conclusion. On all of these sights you seem to be stirring things up.
PTkitty isn’t? Amazing how “she” manages to drum up 72 approvals for her castigation of liberals and all the horrible things we have done. With less than 40 posts on the board, the 72 “likes” suggests a strong following. Everyone in the plant must be tapping in.
Is it against government rules to speak your mind in opposition to items you dislike, or, disapprove? For a good cup of tea, it needs to be stirred well before pouring. I intend to keep stirring every day.
I never said anything about against the rules. But you continuously chime in with the same arguements over and over, as if repeating yourself will make it true.
And, what do you and the rest of you regular posters, do?
Harry Truman said – “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”
I’ll continue to argue for what I consider right. You make your own stand.
I’ll tackle anything under my God given right and the freedom of speech. Le Page and the tea bag brigade along with Mitt and the rest of the baggage will never stop me from speaking my mind.
Lousy decision.
I’d say it’s you liberals who don;t learn their lessons very quickly. How much time and money was spent taking this case to every court in the land only to be defeated time and time again. Very wise use of resources … but that’s typical for your group isn’t it?
Well it depends on how one looks at it. As a motivational tool to not take the next election (Nov. 6th) as lightly as the last election, this idiocy by Mr. LePage probably will give the Democrats many thousands of votes that would otherwise never have happened. Then there’s always, nepotism, poor cabinet selections, losses in poor cabinet selections, negativity toward labor, education, unions, sick, poor, mentally ill, etc. etc. etc. (Let’s face it the guy has nothing good to say about Maine or Mainers!) and one has no option but to believe Mr. LePage must be a closet liberal putting a knife in the back of every Republican/Tea Party member up for election. Thanks Paul, you’ve been more helpful in your mumblings and bumbling than I could have ever dreamt possible!
All the time and effort spent on the mural, on both sides, could have been avoided if LePage didn’t take it down, announcing that an anonymous letter was his reason.
The letter may have started him looking at it, but the REASON it was taken down was because it was a left wing mural in a state building, it should never have been put up. If we put a picture of Rush Limbaugh up in a state building, you twits would be howling. Deal with it.
LePage said his reason was the letter, and some anonymous businessmen grumbling. It was a stupid way to handle the situation, and created an uproar. Maine became a National laughing stock, which doesn’t help attract business.
LePage changed his story later, which created a contradiction, which means he is either a very befuddled thinker or a liar.
He won nothing!
His right to speak was always there and apparently, in the manner that he chose he has excercised the right to be viewed as an ignoramous !
In reading the Judges decision and overview of the facts it is interesting that Adreienne Bennet has to continuously explain the mans lies!
If he didn’t win why has the Plantiffs lost every time they have gone to court. The court has sided with LePage every time. The fact is the Liberals always like to waste our money for nothing. These Liberals should get slammed with the bill each time they want to waste money .
I guarantee if they get hammered with the costs of wasting our money each time this foolishness that has gone on for decades would stop.
The Libs Won!
Everyone but you knows what he is.
So what if he has the Right to be an Art Bully ,
He is still an Art Bully!
Its just another bag of Halloween Candy that he got away with!
“Our money?” Are you in a class by yourself? The costs of free expression are priceless. More than “our money” could ever hope to buy.
Hold on there. It’s not just liberals. Everything considered is bad to you is liberalitis. You pompously declare that people – liberals especially – have no right to go to court to challenge decisions.
Do you ever dare take a liberal extra spoonful of sugar in your coffee?
Both?
That would be a violation of law you are not allowed to put a picture of your GOD in any state building. Thanks for validating RUSH as your leader. May he and his child bride bless you and your party in November.
Only a twit would hang a picture of that twit anywhere.
The reason it was taken down is because it was Left Wing Propaganda. It also had members of the Baldacci administration in the picture including Laura Fortman the Former Labor Secretary of the Baldacci Administration. Most feel the picture was all about her, and her radical left wing views about Maine. It is a waste of taxpayers money and has no business being up in that building in the first place. These Liberals don’t get it we continue to waste taxpayers money fighting this stupid ugly painting that should be destroyed. The Liberals if they did their jobs instead of focusing on stupid things we would be further ahead and growing as a state.
If a “Labor” Mural in the “Labor” Department is Propaganda what the ^&( is
( Open For Buisness ) on the Maine Turnpike?
Don’t try to tell me that its a “Traffic Sign”!
Right on. Wonder what happened to Sign Team 6, which removed Le Page’s Texas-made sign?
Would Judge Woodcock rule in favor of “Citizen Speech” in that case?
Of course not. “Government Speech” is what us peasants must adhere to, until November. Then we can re-arrange the squatters in Augusta.
The colorful and many disillusioning facts about the history of Maine’s labor, is not something that be branded as left wing propaganda and be censored.
This is a free country which used to – before the Party – encourage everyone from cradle to grave to freely express themselves without fear of incrimination.
Am I hearing an American declare, that because the mural did not reflect Le Page’s tea party politics, “it should be destroyed?”
A lot of Liberals persistently strive at their jobs each day. Millions more sacrificed their lives fighting against tyranny, and those who would deprive us all of our rights to freedom of expression.
Correction: The Reed Act of 1954. http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf
What is needed here is a U.S. Supreme Court ruling. In my opinion, the use of Reed Act funds for this purpose was not within the intention of the Act.
The Maine Arts Commission should never had agreed to participate. The State of Maine should never have agreed to participate. But the Federal Government must be accountable in this matter.
At the very least, if UI money was to be utilized, it needed to be used to support more than one individual.
You just might be on target.
However, if Baldacci hadn’t been so keen to buy Union votes at every turn, his hideous excuse for “labor history” never would have been spawned.
Too bad it’s not a bad piece of art, and too expensive, or it would be an ironic act to dispose of it in the Juniper Ridge landfill… along with all the other out-of-state waste Baldacci has allowed to fill up a Maine facility.
Why hide a mural that depicts the
unflattering history of Maine labor?
No wonder the tea party and its stepchild GOP want to hide it, bury it, or cremate it.
The kind of labor conditions shown was not limited to Maine, of course.
My curiosity was stirred when art critic a state censor Le Page removed this piece of art from public view. After all of the incendiary outbursts, I want to see it more than ever.
I’m intrigued by newspaper descriptions of this lady’s interpretation of working conditions which I believed were based on Maine workers toiling for their masters.Whatever gallery gets its hands on it, they can be assured of a record attendance. Good business.
Uhmmm, “every court in the land?” Do you live in hyperbole-land? It ended in the same court where it started and on a dispositive pre-trial motion. I think the judge was correct. I think the decision to take the panels down was stupid. But don’t make it out as though this has gone up to the U.S. Supreme Court multiple times or been “defeated time and time again.” That simply isn’t true. I try federal cases all the time. This one was a peanut among elephants.
You Conservatives took it down just to cause hate and discontent and it worked. Good job if your goal is to divide the voters. Be careful with your math though I rather doubt this division added many numbers to your side of the isle and if it did they belong on your side. Keep on tebowing tea people your gonna need the lord in November to console you for your losses due to your ignorance and this is a blaring example. I believed normal intelligent people would have handled this in a very different way for their own good. If you have trouble understanding the last sentence. Lepage may have a job for you even if you have a lot of corruption in your background, can you say Robert Nutting…..
Think of the money that could have been saved if you republicans never took it down in the first place. And you could have put more focus on important issues like whoopie pie, run away voter fraud, guns in the capital, job creators, and getting Romney on your ticket.
And….threats to close thew schools, knocking 68,000 sick people of Medicaid roles, cursing at anyone who questions a mandate. You’re right. The tea party’s marionette GOP has got tangled up.
There you go, “you republicans” – for your information, I’ve been registered as an Independent since the very first time I voted. A person doesn’t have to be a republican, a democrat, or anything else to recognize foolisheness, hatred, and a huge waste of money.
Two courts. Not every court in the land.
So just how many levels of courts do you think there are in Maine? You liberals just don’t know how to accept defeat gracefully, Keep throwing good money after bad.
What has this got to do with being defeated? The mural belonged to everyone in the state. Many of the “you liberal” crowd must believe in government censorship. As a liberal, I don’t.
Is that all you ever have to say you sound like a broken record. I also cant wait to vote for our conservative values, if we have a chance to survive we need to keep the ship headed toward conservative measures Go LePage
Same lines on every article. He’s actually driving away voters, like watching a commercial a hundred times, you wouldn’t buy it now anyway! LOL
You have no idea what you are talking about, people are fed up with liberal tactics and his approval rating is actually much higher than it was on election day.
I am curious as to your conservative values, does this include– vaginal probes before women are able to obtain an abortion? Will women need to tell their bosses why they are using birth control.
and then their bosses can deny their use.
Will people in this state not be allowed to have unions negotiate for them. Will out and out lies by presidential canidates such as Mitt ( R)money be OK? Will planned parenthood be outlawed?
Will ultrasounds be required prior to an abortion? Will all people need to show a state issued picture ID before one can vote, which would cause many people to spend additional monies to vote, including students who would only have college issued ID’s. Will insurance companies be allowed to increase there rates with no oversight by anyone in Maine’s government? Will you all want to repeal the so called “Obama care” giving the insurance companies the chance to drop people who might be causing the companies to spend to much money, or dropping young people who are on their parents policy. Limiting police officers from arresting people involved in domestic violence unless they go to a judge and get permission, like the NH congress is now proposing.
Or are there other great things your party will be proposing.
God help us.
Would you like ice in that Kool-Aid, or do you enjoy it straight up?
“Can you drink from the cup I drink from?…” – Mark 10:38
No Kool-Aid thank you I perfer beer on hot days. I was looking for an answer from knowitall so we could be looking forward to all the good things the R’s would be giving us, without government interference in our lifes.
Lepage is already giving you the good stuff you just cant take it in because their is a steady stream of garbage coming out of your mouth
I knew if I stayed on here long enough I could find someone I agree with and it is you. All that I wrote about was true and it is garbage. If you don’t like what your party is doing I suggest you let them know or swap parties.
Thank you for bring everbodys attention to the garbage the R’s are doing accross the country.
THANK YOU AGAIN
You and the Party always have a good supply of bland Kool Aid. Understandably, you’re getting a little tired from overstock, and are trying to ditch it.
Why not try a double Scotch, or, a very dry martini? A couple of good liberal drinks.
Right. And, may God help us get the people to the polls in November before our – the peasants’ – voting rights are repressed by the “conservatives.”
He said none of those things. you just jumped in with the same old same old.
I did not say he said any of these things, these are what the conservatives are doing all over the country and I wondered if this was what he was hoping for here in the state of Maine. I am guessing this must be what he is looking for and doesn’t dare to say so. If this is not what he is looking for I would think he would be kind enough to let us know what he wants, maybe it would be something we could agree on. As a former R I still agree with some of their values but not what the nuts are doing accross the country.
So you don’t feel that you in any way went overboard? Because the way I saw it, you went from mural to vaginal probe in one mislead jump!
knowitall618 stated he wanted to vote for his conservative values, I just wanted to know what they were. Are they the same as many of those across the country or does he have other conservative values he wants for the state. I am sorry if I jumped to quick for you but I think the State of Maine people should know what the conservatives would like. It seems like in the last election most of the R’s were running on jobs, jobs, jobs, but in fact they went in a completely different direction. Just trying to find out what is really in the conservatives minds.
Buy him a compass, and have someone fix the rudder.
Maybe it will be you that learns the lesson.
GO LEPAGE!!!!
Good luck with that in November. GO LEPAGE!!!!
Jamaica sucks, he should have gone to Hawaii.
Maybe he is lQQking for either a building to open a Marden’s or some salvage from a storm to send back!
you are OVERWHELMINGLY in the minority
go ahead and enjoy your democracy…
You give no evidence that it is a “petty” argument. It is, in fact, an important argument, one that attempts to keep rogue and irrational Governors from doing great harm by acting like tyrants.
Look, you’ve read it on these pages before, and now had it confirmed by a Federal Judge… One Governor just cannot bind their successor in matters such as this!
As LePage removed Baldacci’s Executive Order making Maine the ONLY Sanctuary State in the Nation… so did he “remove” this action by Baldacci.
If LePage places a bronze bust of himself in the Hall of Flags, the next governor is fully authorized to have it removed.
Excuse Me? We Have Prevailed!! I Agree with Neil Young…Sorry d711, Live With It!!!
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Correction. I am sorry. The Reed Act was instituted in 1954. http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf
I erroneously stated that The Reed Act was a G.W. Bush administration decision. It was not. The use of these funds for questionable purposes may have started then, or not. I am still combing through government records.
It was instituted in 1954 as part of the Title IX of the Social Security Act. This has to do withFederally- authorized use of unemployment insurance money. Focus on that if you truly care about the ramifications of the authorization, rather than political slamming. And help out here with locating the laws, the interpretations of the laws by courts, and the use of the funds.
Here is the correct information http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf
Looks like he was outlawyered, too. I really hate wailing and gnashing of teeth from lawyers who lose.
Ummmmm…yes we have, and you know it. Most Mainers opposed removing the murals even if LeBUFFOON had the legal right to do it. They disagree with the judgement call. Just because a person can do a thing, it doesn’t always mean he or she should. LeBUFFOON’s action was what was “frivilous” and “politically motivated” when he removed the labor history mural. Then the goofball typically kept changing his reason. Fine. We’ll answer LeBUFFOON at the voting booth come November when we send the TeaNuts in the legislature packing.
I can see why you oppose the Governor. Your name calling confirms that you are childish and have no sense of the really important issues facing this State.
Childish isin’t name calling?
Childish? My God – do ever reflect on what Le Page has called people?
Tea Party people have no sense of introspection. They believe in one man government. Socialistic? Not even close.
you are a sore LOSER
Nope. You and everyone else who believe in destroying freedom of expression are the losers.
Be careful what you wish for… bear in mind that LePage will not be Governor forever and all this has done is to set a precedent for future Governors who act alone in a deceitful manner to claim they did it in the name of “government speech.” Apparently “government speech” means elected officials acting alone without other members of government and without inclusion of the public… you know, representing themselves. You may think it’s wonderful now but down the road is this really the kind of government you want – a one-man Governor who represents only himself?
Frightening. But from what I read on these posts – that’s exactly what the free-thinking “conservative” tea party people believe in – one man government.
get over it – has no clue!
I don’t agree. Bullying censorship pure and simple.
It’s more than just a mural. It’s losing the rights of an artist to free expression. It’s government censorship. To hell with “Government speech.”
It’s not petty. It’s restoring impartiality to [what is supposed to be] a neutral atmosphere.
The mural has a place. It is not in the Department of Labor.
God forbid the Dept. of Labor should have any depiction of the struggles of working men and women.
Twist it as you may it was a cult painting…
Working people = a cult? Perhaps it’s hard for you to identify with the folks who struggled to get things like an 8-hour day and a 2-day weekend… Perhaps you would prefer to live in the 1800s or early 1900s and be exploited.
I thought it was a Socialist Stalinist type mural, something no one in their right mind would want displayed anywhere let alone get ripped off 60000 large!
The mural depicts the efforts of Mainers to obtain decent working conditions. I suspect you use the words “socialist Stalinist” to indicate that you don’t approve of that.
You don’t know your “Stalin.” But let’s take your absurd statement and use Stalin as an example. If the murals depicting laborers were in a Stalin-ruled building, they would be “Stalinist” propaganda.
As it is, the murals depict Maine people who worked hard and left a legacy that everyone else has trashed completely. It was an honorable and true depiction of people working in the conditions of the time.
If its a “cult painting” the people depicted on the mural are also members of a “Cult”. Their lives and achievements so represented, obviously repugnant to you. This is the greatest country in the world still, for we can allow you the right to talk this desolating drivel unmolested.
The Department of Labor is not a Labor Historical Society.
In fact, the competition was for “artwork depicting the ” History of Labor in the State of Maine.”
This does not accurately portray the history of labor in Maine. It portrays organized labor efforts in Maine. Excluding the others who’ve worked in Maine, for political purpose, is lousy.
I would not be oppossed to that at all if there were murals allowed that depicted the role that business and industry played creating our role as the number one economy in the world.
the industry that have since jumped from the sinking ship…. unions gave labor power that power caused industry to leave for greener pastures.
No one takes into account that there is a fine balance between most things that has to be preserved, otherwise one side will eventually cease to exist.
The Chamber of Commerce would be the ideal location for those.
Got $60,000? I think we could drum one up in no time for ya’.
Why should we have Liberal Propaganda from the Baldacci administration and Laura Fortman of the Baldacci administration (Who is in the picture). Why should my tax dollars go to pay for this ugly junk. It isn’t worth the canvas its painted on. The Liberals should not only reimburse taxpayers for that ugly painting and they should also reimburse taxpayers for going to court everytime.
To judge by your comments, conservatives believe that working people should humbly and obediently accept whatever working conditions their bosses choose to impose upon them. Passivity appears to be your core value.
How pitiful. “Poor me being picked upon again.”
That would indeed be a “pitiful” response, if it had been all that workers could come up with.
Instead, workers joined together to advocate for things you take for granted–a 5-day week, minimum wage, worker safety rules, overtime pay, an end to child labor, and so on.
The workers who fought for and won these things should be honored.
Folks Puleeeeez!
Mardens just announced a two for one sale.
Their salvage trailer just got back from the Middle East of Down East Machias
with a load of replica Wailing Walls.
Designed for post Woodstock wannabe Flower Children who feel violated by a certain unamed former Marden Employee , who has great entertainment value by the way, these OSHA approved structures
allow you to wail and gnash in the safe environs of your home with minimal damage to your brain pan.
Of course you also have the option of expending your rage on creating moonbat recall legislation
that would be a legacy to your children.
But alas we are not dealing with a MENSA population are we.
Your usage and grammar suggest you are not a member of MENSA either.
you got that right! I have barely enough intellect to realize
Maine gets the best politicians the FBI and DIEBOLD can elect,eh?
Perhaps not , a very good comment nevertheless.
Why do you have to hate on Machias?
Nice move Kired to misdirect the readers from the intent of my post which was to create recall legislation for politicians, eh?
Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression
by David Martin
Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.
13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or reporting a distraction.
It was a legitimate statement for someone who has lived in the area of Machias for a number of years. ”
Their salvage trailer just got back from the Middle East of Down East Machias with a load of replica Wailing Walls” that is kind of offensive. Could you have not made a point using different language? Whether you want to believe it or not I was not misdirecting anyone, just curious why you had to use Machias.
Do you read any of the books you cite, msfreeh, because I agree with Kired that there is no need to bash Machias if you are trying to point out your approval of the judge’s decision on the mural. In fact, your statement seems to be nothing more than misplaced vitriol that has more to do with expunging your personal demons than credible commentary on the situation under discussion. I challenge you to make your point directly and respectfully instead of ranting. Please.
Umm…clue check…the people of Maine see this as pointless whining by the union crybabies. You lost the election, now a petty “issue” you created. Isn’t it time to grow up?
Maine has broken a contract with the Federal Government. Just that. A bigger question is why Reed Act funds were used to pay for one mural. $60,000 in federal money, plus state money, that could have gone to extensions in unemployment, if I understand the Reed Act correctly. http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf I don’t know what interpretations have been given to it since 1954.
The problem is the plaintiffs sued for the wrong reasons. They should have sued to enforce the contract that commissioned the mural.
As an aside, I find Woodcock’s constant reference to the “government” specious, as the government is actually the people; the government isn’t an separate entity from the people.
really,,,hahaha!!!! Not when johnny boy was in office.. the dems told the repubs to sit in back of the bus, Just like obama did.. lets be fair and honest please.
Agreed.
I’m gonna send LePage and anonymous FAX stating the mural is GOOD for business.
Problem solved.
yessah
Better yet, try an anon. fax stating he’s bad for business. Maybe we’d get lucky and he’d remove himself.
Sure, the Tea Freak policy will hold for now,…but come November the pendulum swings back.
They should have sued under breech of contract on behalf of the artist. The KJ had posted the original contract back when this shindig started. In said contract, the artist was to be notified before the artwork was to be removed. The artist was never given that notice.
Just like we werent notified when she stole 60k$ for that garbage of a mural, but tell you what, if she gives the FEds the 60K$ back will give her back the murals, deal??
What do you expect from a GOP judge … ???
Exactly what we got, fairness and justice :-)
I wonder if the Feds will come knocking for their money now, they were just taking a “wait and see” approach to this lawsuit. Their contract is much more specific, and thus, more enforceable.
The Feds money is our money and the stupid mural was a WASTE OF MONEY!
Judge John A. Woodcock (R) — What can you expect? One of the very first in a never-ending, long line of Gov. LePage’s horrific decisions. Keep that mural hidden in a very safe place, Governor. The day is soon coming that that your embarrassing reign will be over, and, once again integrity, decency, and a respect for WORKING Maine men and women will be restored.
Myself I would keep it in a damp basement.
“The judge said that because Maine owns the mural” Well, I guess that LaPage is Maine and the people born and living in Maine are not Maine.. LaPage wanted the mural down, LaPage took the mural down. Maine people should have a voice in what happens to things that Maine owns. Now I don’t give a hoot about the mural what I give a hoot about is him bulling Maine people.. Bullies are dangerous if allowed to continue bulling!! Especially one in a government office.
Our great Governor Paul LePage works hard for all Mainers not just Unions… P.S. He won the election with a larger Percentage then John Baldacci did either time…
You really want to take this on ? Can you imagine how log it would get the state to get a coat of paint on anything ? And at what cost ? Think about this for a second , how much money has both sides of the gay marriage issue spent while claiming it would ultimately help and protect families. How much food , clothing medical care and shelter this money would have provided. Let’s just move on !
Taking down the mural has created two jobs, one for dear daughter and the other for brother-in-law. His biggest achievment thus far.
Great job Judge.
Justice is Served!!!! Thank you Judge Woodcock for protecting the freedom of speech!!!
Justice was not served. You don’t know what you’re talking about and won’t do the reading to learn more than you wish to believe, will you.
Not a question of “justice.” But it is potentially a question of improper allocation of funds by and from the Federal government. And, “government speech,” has not been adequately defined by the courts.
They need to appeal.
You pay for it.
Good it is about time!!!
I hear some people want to put explict posters in schools hallways showing 2 men ingaged in different sex acts a set of 6 in different poses I believe life size. It’ll be educational and be labeled tolerance
Wow! This is sure going to stir up the LePage hating liberal whiners, unionites, bnd’ers, the pph’ers and Democrats in general.
Maine; not Gov. LePage. Gov. LePage is not Maine as much as he’d like to think he is.
Our Great Governor Paul R LePage!!! is at the Helm, He is pumping out the Bilge.
Auction the *#>n thing just to prove what it’s worth. I’m certain that after all the previously posted comments there should be a large number of potential buyers.
buy some oil for the poor with it.
The modus operendi of a dim witted man.
If the mural is owned by “Maine” as the article so frequently stated, how is it that Gov. LePage then has the right to remove it? Did OUR tax dollars pay for it? If the mural belongs to “Maine”, and it is in a PUBLIC building, don’t we as the public have a say as to whether or not it is removed? I understand that the whole point of the governor is to act on the peoples best interest, to protect us, and to managed the state. However, I do not see how anything that Gov LePage has done has been in the best interest of the people of our state.
We as taxpayers have the right to ask for our 60,000$ back since the mural sucks!
I say grind it up and make some wood pellets out of it to recoup some of our money.
The Murals are nothing more than a picture of Government Waste!
No. You the taxpayer must return the money to the Federal government.
I didnt create the stalin era morbid mural!
Hey Woodcock, WE ARE MAINE, not you and not Lepage. Or, have you forgotten, ” Government for the people, not people for the government.
Somebodies teeth fold back.
you forgot the say, ah!!
Did Baldacci ask you before he made a move???
Whoaaaa dentures, pull back. I know you have a 3rd degree black belt in mouth
but those Maine black flies called FBI agents have just inserted cookies onto your ISP
number and will now be tracking you with their INSLAW(stolen) software
at their heavily protected Maine FBI Fusion Center, funded by your tax dime of course. Hint
Google fbi inslaw
You see for me it’s always been what you choose to focus on. In the case of this BDN story about LePage, the Murals and a Judge Woodcok’s decision here is what I focus on.
In the early 1990’s we brought North Carolina attorney Alec Charns to speak at Bates College for our 3rd Annual Conference Investigating Crimes Committed by FBI agents.
Attorney Charns spoke about his new book CLOAK AND GAVEL which looks at how FBI agents work behind the scenes to get judges appointed to State and Federal Courts. Of course all these Judges reflect the corporate viewpoint. see
http://www.bsos.umd.edu/gvpt/lpbr/subpages/reviews/charns.htm
Of course the FBI is also very active in getting politicians elected to office by any means necessary including assassination and voter fraud. Did I mention the politicians reflect the corporate viewpoint. No I don’t have time to discuss how FBI agents go on to work for corporations running their security programs after they retire from the FBI. see
http://www.thelandesreport.com/Donsanto.htm
Anyone who has ever been in a courtroom knows that it has nothing to do with right and wrong, it has to do with ALL the lawyers nuzzling up to the trough until they have had their fill. Oh yeah, and the next round of political appointments. The mural is fine where it is until the next election and then it will be put back under the cloak of “government speech”.
What a joke – Palin? She quit after America discovered she couldn’t name 2 newspapers she read on a regular basis, and the BS she was slinging in AK was about to be exposed. If this is a good example of what you support as a potential leader in the U.S. – GOOD LUCK!!
So “Government Speech” overides “Freedom of Speech” … mural or no mural I think this country is going to be in trouble. Beyond the mural and who cares what side your on this decision is crying out somthing larger here and it will have an effect on ALL.
Yes. And the mural could have been viewed as testimony to what was – the child labor for one – but how far Maine has come in treating workers fairly. If that is the case.
LePage does not want employees treated fairly. Taking the right to organize from the DeCosta egg workers. Free Welfare for free riders with the right to work bill he wants. The man is a selfish, probably coached, puppet.
I remember many a liberal describing child labor as slave labor when us kids used to pick potatoes. That analogy was wrong then and that philosophy is ruining the work ethic in this country now.
Sorry Judge Woodcock, I don’t think the term “government speech” is supposed to mean “the opinion of one man.” LePage removed the mural in contempt of the will of the people. It’s time to appeal.
Actually it wasn’t ALL the people who protested. Lepage won the most votes. Those of us voting for him, voted because we felt he would do what we would want done. So to say that he removed it in contempt of the will of the people is incorrect. I for one would like to see Maine become a business friendly state.
Wrong. He removed it, or so he said, based on an anonymous fax. Have you forgotten that?
No I have not forgotten. I was telling you that you post as if the entire state of Maine is upset. It is only SOME of you. NOT all of us.
Now we have another reason to defeat Obama. So a Republican president can fast track this judge to the Supreme Court! A victory for the constitutional doctrine of Judicial Restraint.
Woodcock for SCOTUS!
Correction. The use of Reed Act money – unemployment insurance money – that was ultimately utilized for the commission of art.
Reed Act 1054 http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf
http://www.nelp.org/page/-/UI/ReedAct-Revised.pdf
George W Bush appointed some good judges but we libertarian / conservatives were very upset by his spending – he did not even try to eliminate the National Endowment for the Arts (nor Humanities) Government needs to fund a bare necessity safety net – not subjective luxuries.
Art is not a subjective luxury, however.
If “subjective” and “luxury” cannot be used to describe art, then those two words have no meaning. There is nothing more subjective than art. And in relation to food, shelter, transportation, health care and safety, it truly is a luxury. I guess liberals do not just redefine words but also deny their meaning.
I made an error. See above. All is more complex, and important, than is being treated here.
I guess we have to give the baby his bottle.
“Goverment Speech” in First Amendment cases, the doctrine can be highly controversial. This is because courts often must decide whether a governmental action that prevents an individual from expressing his or her viewpoint is better seen as unconstitutional suppression of individuals’ speech in a forum or unbounded government speech.
The mural was federally-funded. Maine broke the contract. The Federal government will recoup the money.
Here is case law on “government speech.” http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/20.html
Here is the Huffington Post article on the mural – I have no idea what slant that paper takes –
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/artinfo/the-mural-that-set-maine-_b_844402.html
and th court of public opinion is going to remember this when we elect the next governor
90 page opinion? And how much did this cost the taxpayer? LePage knew he was in the right to begin with. And furthermore, I don’t recall Baldi’s article about spending 70 grand in tax dollars on the commissioning of the mural to begin with. Go Paul LePage and git-r-done. Screw the liberals, they are ruining our very way of life.
The artist won a competition sponsored by the Maine Arts Commission. Primarily, the $60,000 she received was from federal Reed Grant funds that relate to unemployment insurance compensation.
Correction: The Reed Act 1954 http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf
The government was wrong in spending the money in that manner from that account. Maine, and the Maine Arts Commission, were wrong to accept it, in my opinon.
Keep the government out of the arts. The government at any level has no business funding “art” no matter what the political persuasion. When a family is stuggling to pay for food, housing, transportation and medical care, that family would be foolish to spend money on the luxury of art no matter how good it is. Governments should only be funding a bare necessity safety net – no funding for subjective luxuries.
Many a Currier & Ives print, or calendar, or Norman Rockwell calendar has made it possible for struggling people to find the spirit within to keep going.
In this case, however, the use of UI funds remains inappropriate, in my opinion, but based solely on the intention of the Reed Act. Corrected to 1954.
http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf
Yup, 60000$ of our Federal TAX Money wasted on more garbage we dont need!
Correction. Reed Act 1954. I am sorry.
You miss the point – one I shouldn’t make to you as if you would just take the time to read the Reed Act http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf,
you would most definitely want a Federal decision on the expenditure of these funds for this purpose.
Art serves to record, uplift, and enlighten. From any work of art, there may come substantial public good. I know that if a relative of mine had had a job such as was depicted in the murals — there were many panels — then I would feel proud of them for their dedication to their work, and the legacy they left.
Stalin era murals are not uplifting, and this one isnt either.
As I mentioned we dont need to keep wasting 60K$ on this garbage, that is why the Fed Gov is broke.
Sir, you are ignorant. You are calling Mainers Stalinist. Those people pictured on the mural lived those desperate lives, mistreated, underpaid, in unsafe working conditions. They fought so that you could have freedom. If you don’t want freedom, don’t use it, but until you learn history stop calling our proud ancestors names. Learn history and you will stop on your own.
You are the ignorant one, the mural looks like stalinistic art work go look at some.
It isnt something most mainers would want not would even consider wasting 60,000$ for.
If you want to bloviate about your Union, please do so with your own money, stop wasting my federal tax money!
PS, the mural set a bad tone when your trying to convince any business to move into the state, if I was investing my money and saw that garbage hanging on the wall in the Dept of Labor, I would comment that I dont do business in one of Stalins Gulags!
Oh is that why she quit? I thought she quit because she couldn’t handle the job. Oh, wait …
“The prospect of [hauling] a sitting governor into federal court to be cross-examined under oath as to why he made a political decision may momentarily cheer the partisan,” Woodcock wrote. “But the long-term implications of federal court intervention in state politics are sobering.”
NOT wrong, not illegal, but rather too “sobering” to those drunk on their politic power.
Check.
We get the message.
So Kent State was government speech too?
Here is the federal response from April of 2011. (I didn’t pick the website deliberately).
http://www.mainedems.org/assets/files/Boyett%20Letter.pdf
Ha Ha
This was a foregone conclusion……Republicans stick to gether.
If only that were true – that Republican stick together – then we would win more of these battles with the liberals.
Several Thousand in Legal fee’s to get to Judge Woodcock. Most all knew in advance that Woodcock would supoort Lapage. I heard that maybe his next step would be through the painting to take care of it once and for all. You know he still has not disclosed where the painting is or if it already has been, terminated. The employee’s at Marden’s can tell you that this man has a massive ego which lead to many former employee’s and a work force that was not happy to come in contact with the Penquin. Now, we have him. The 2 party system does not work and is far outdated.
I wonder if Mr. Neil Young has a tail. Iwould love to see it between his legs. As a Mainer, Judge Woodcock can only be considered a mature adult. The adults are back in charge. Thank God. Yes Mr. Young, I mentioned God.
Woodcock is the GOPs call girl.
Just because he did not rule in a way that you thought was right, does not give you the right to call him ridiculous names.
Awesome thanks Guv.Keep it up Paul we are behind you 100%.Kicking socialist liberal butt is a rewarding if not an entertaining endeavor. After 30+yrs of socialist rule its kinda fun to win a few battles.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. LePage has violated a federal contract. The money, which was taken from unemployment coffers, must be returned to the federal government. They, in turn, can allocate that money for yet another unspecified use.
And, I didn’t know what I was talking about either. Correction. The Reed Act was instituted in 1954. You can see the purpose of it. http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf
The murals, themselves, show nothing but historical fact, and are testimony to advances made to protect workers – nothing to do with unions at all per se.
You don’t know what “socialist” means. How about you take a couple of hours to read just how all this came down.
you must be rich?
Depends on your definition of rich,if you mean that I have the integrity to take care of myself and the people I love without the help of nanny state that we’ve become, yeah then I am rich.
amen!!
thanks
“government speech.”… His next election will also be, “government speech.”!!!
Government speech… yeah, right! That’s too much power for any politician but now a precedent has been set. I can’t wait to see what gets removed next… and I have to wonder do all government employees have this right to remove stuff?
Did you read case on “government speech.” It is available on the internet.
I know what it’s all about… I was being facetious (except for the part about thinking government officials have entirely too much power).
LePage didn’t REALLY take that mural down as a matter of exercising his right to government speech. I think we all know that this is the defense his attorney came up with LONG AFTER he removed the mural and LONG AFTER he announced that he did it because HE did not agree with what HE perceived as it’s message. If it had truly been an act of government speech he could have done it in broad daylight and not under the cover of darkness and then high tail it out of town to Florida.
Just because there are legal crevices to crawl into doesn’t mean he had to stoop so low and be so sneaky. And just because something turns out to be legal based upon a defense that didn’t really represent the truth about why he did it doesn’t mean it’s right or even okay. All it means is that he hired a good defense attorney and he got away with bad behavior (AGAIN).
One very important thing that you should not lose sight of is that LePage is supposed to represent the people and not just himself. To the best of my knowledge no member of the public and no other government official knew about his plan to snatch the mural down in the middle of the night. So the “government speech” his attorney claimed he was engaging in represented only himself as the full government.
It is my opinion that any Governor who takes action without considering or including any other government official and/or the public is engaging in self-serving and unacceptable behavior and in no way represents anyone but himself. I don’t want a one-man government now or in the future. Do you?
Compressing the judge’s ruling: GROW UP and deal with it.
Mr. Lepage tear down this wall. Good for you Gov. keep kicking Butt.
So am I to understand the governor’s right to political speech trumps the people’s right to free speech? It only took one governor to trump the rights of thousands of Mainers who wanted that mural returned. I hope he knows how to count big numbers……because that’s how many votes he probably lost. Well, to be fair, he probably lost votes from his other behavior too. It’s not just art lovers and first amendment advocates he’s ticked off.
Correction. Urging you as well to look at the Reed Act 1954. Not Bush. I apologize.
artwork depicting the ” History of Labor in the State of Maine”.
To contemplate the value of focusing what can well be viewed as federally-sanctioned misuse of federal and state unemployment funds for the benefit of one individual.
So your definition of free speech is me paying for your free speech? And when I refuse to pay for your free speech I have violated your rights? Then to be fair you would have to pay equally for my free speech and you would never agree to that!
He is setting a tone, stop wasting tax money and conveying Maine is open for business, not run by corrupt Unions!
So sorry we had to spend a nickel on this and would like the fund replaced that it was stolen from to create the “art”….
“We’ve always believed that this was a frivolous, politically motivated lawsuit,” said LePage spokeswoman Adrienne Bennett.
Just as the removal of the mural was itself a frivolous and politically motivated act. How is it improper to have a mural depicting the history of LABOR in the Department of LABOR?
Because this is not representing most labor. Most labor is non-union, non-socialist, and most workers have no time to do destructive, negative protesting. When I used to work long hours at and near minimum wage, I resented the ugliness of union people I had to serve saying things like, “get a real job”, “you’re not a workingman unless you are a union member”, etc.
When I look at this mural, I don’t see Maine in it at all. It could be Detroit or any other big city out there in our great United States. How can anyone believe that is a welcoming picture depicting our great state of Maine? Where are the lighthouses, the lobster boats, the pine trees, the quaint towns that any Yankee magazine would gladly portray on its covers? What about the blueberry fields, the mountains, the tourists who come to Maine for a vacation and some quiet relaxation? What about the beaches that thousands, maybe even millions, come to make family memories that will last a lifetime and the campgrounds and the lakes that Maine gladly call her own? Where are the moose, the loons, the deer, the eagles, etc. that call Maine home? If you can truly look at that mural and see any part of Maine in it, then I give you a lot of credit. To me, it’s a cold betrayal that brings to mind unions and a taste of some countries that our ancestors fled to come to a new land to find a new and welcoming life where anyone could become whatever they wanted to be if only they had a dream, heck, even president! I’m glad Gov. LePage made that decision and I’m proud to call him my governor.
you did not grow up in Belfast did you?
No, I didn’t grow up in Belfast. I grew up in Mass and came to Maine to camp for over 40 years because I loved it so much and moved up here in the 80’s because I wanted to call it home forever. If what I saw when I would come for vacation was what that mural depicted, I would have never come back again. My grandfather fled Russia (Lithuania) because of stuff like this. Look at the picture. A woman being handcuffed by an officer, folks covering their faces, pickets in the background, all very ugly stuff. There’s no warmth in this mural, just the power hungry folks of unions guiding their sheep into their little corrals. Govt. controlling, not leading, their citizens. This is America, home of the brave, land of the free… not Lenin or Stalin or Hitler…
What part of LABOR mural don’t you get? On one panel there is a tiny part of a Union sign shown through the painting of true Maine history. It is not called the tourist mural, the lobster mural, or the right wing take away the right we earned proudly mural.
It has nothing to do with the right wing side, it has to do with representing Maine and unions aren’t the only thing in Maine. If there were other murals representing Maine in the way that others see her, then, fine, keep it up for all to see. But, it’s one sided, left sided actually if you wanna be honest about it, so is that fair to all of us who don’t care about the unions? You’re looking at this a a political thing, and maybe it is, but all I see in that mural is gray and ugly and I’m glad that Maine isn’t that at all.
Do you think Florida is pretty? Or, pick any other place. But Florida. Eating those Florida tomatoes grown and picked by laborers who have no rights and protections from the pesticides used, who get sick and have no health coverage? They’re working under palm trees, too.
To look at any marketing tool and not look past it, may make for a carefree vacation, but that is neither truth, nor life. The theme of the competition was, in fact, artwork depicting the ” History of Labor in the State of Maine”. Not moose, eagles and deer, nor your particular dream world.
As I have said before, if there had been other murals depicting ‘my particular dream world’ then all of Maine would have been represented and it would be fine. I feel like you’re saying that your vision of Maine is the only vision that folks visiting our state houses should see and that ‘my vision’ isn’t even worth mentioning. As for the laborers in Florida, yes, they should be protected but not by bully unions. The state health folks should be aware of all of the pesticides and such, BECAUSE THEY ARE PAID TO DO SO THRU OUR TAXES, aren’t they? They work for us, both democrats and republicans, and they should do their job, not the unions. Can you tell me that the unions of the U.S. don’t give donations to just the Democratic party? I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a union backing a republican but if you can show me some instances in which they did, I would stand corrected. So if I, a republican, didn’t want my union dues going to Obama, I wouldn’t have a say in it, would I? They are bullies. It’s either their way or the highway…
And what about the lobstermen, the restaurant folks, the campground employees, the park employees? They don’t work with a union, do they? They’re hard working folk who raise families, work hard and don’t complain (much)… Maine (and New Englanders) are rugged folk for the most part and know what it means to live in such a way that you don’t need the government telling them how they should be living their lives.
And lets add pictures of us kids and adults who picked potatoes each year and looked forward to it and we never went negative and protested free enterprise. There far more to “labor” than protesting and engaging in a negative war against free enterprise.
Put it on eBay and donate the proceeds to LIHEAP.
Protected Government speech? Protected from whom, the People?
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Fluff issue to keep partisan morons on both sides chattering at each other while right and left wing slimeballs steal their way to oneprecenterville
“We’ve always believed that this was a frivolous, politically motivated lawsuit,” said LePage spokeswoman Adrienne Bennett. She said it would be “stunning” if government officials were barred from making decisions about what artwork can hang in public buildings. What about the rest of us, I liked the mural, where are my political rights? I guess this one will go to the U.S. Supreme court.
You are going to have to return that money to the Federal government.
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The perfect storage place would be at the bottom of the male urinal at the state house.
Sour grapes from Mr. Shetterly. He loses in federal court and takes a slap at the judge and calls the doctrine of governmental speech “fallacious.”
Well, Mr. Shetterly is one of the plaintiffs. If he thinks he’s right and the judge is wrong, he ought to stop whinging about the result and appeal the decision to the First Circuit.
Maybe now the illustrious governor will learn the difference between a STATE & FEDERAL blg. You know: US Dept of VS State of ME? DUH
I believe the Arts Commission’s role was limited to assistance in the jurying process for mural proposals. The work was actually commissioned, sponsored, and paid for by the Department of Labor, with federal funds.
The plaintiffs were not parties to the contract, so I believe they had no standing to raise contractual issues. I could be wrong about this, but I don’t think the artist who painted the murals has made any claim under the contract on account of the state’s removal of the murals from the Labor Dept.
It was the Maine State Arts Commission that sent out a call to artists for work on the theme of Labor – that’s working people – in Maine.
But that call should never have gone out. And there should never be a Maine State Arts Commission. Until LePage tries to end this commission then he is too moderate.
Like a scenic Fishing Village with Fisherman, or the Stalin era art we go stuck with?
I want our money back and we should get rid of the Maine State Arts Commission because it is very clear they should stay out of politics and they have lousey taste in art work.
But they did.
If the mural showed a group of millionare union busting old boys sitting around puffing on cuban cigars I wonder if Uncle Paul would have taken it down?
Why is it so hard for liberals to understand that the power behind union busting is not with the millionaire cuban cigar puffers. It is with non-union working class people who not only resent the millionaire puffers but also resent the attitudes and liberal policies of unions. We are sick of hearing “can’t do this it’s not my job”. We remember how unions drove up the wages of unskilled workers to the level of skilled workers until we lost our competiveness. And most of all we resent public employee unions calling themselves “public servants” who have a better pay and benefit structure than the average people they are supposed to be serving.
Hey – Hey – Hey ! Another advocate for Chinese wages ! Two bucks a day is fine, and we don’t need no health care benefits.
Maybe we should review modern Chinese wages – they seem to be doing more consuming lately – and a factor in driving up world oil prices.
That was Clinton, he was the one who passed NAFTA in 1993 and sold out his Union cronies!
NAFTA was and is a 99% Republican creation, passed in both the House and Senate with a conservative majority. Thank Bush I for that. Clinton resisted, but then capitulated after adding a number of clauses in an effort to protect American workers. Republican-protected big business had begun to shift American jobs out of the country – those jobs depicted in the last panel of the mural. The simple fact that you are wearing shoes made in Indonesia instead of Maine is what our partyline Governor doesn’t want people to remember after seeing the painting.
Nice try but it was Clinton who pushed it and he had majority in Senate, most of the votes actually came from Democrats including scum like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barney Frank. I know because I was in Mass at the time and our local union Teamsters, sent nasty grams to Kennedy Kerry and Barney amongst others telling them they were sell outs !
BTW, I guess you didnt watch the debates back then when Perot beat the crap out of CLinton on the issue, remember the job sucking sound as he berate Clinton for wanting to push NAFTA thru and lieing to the American people, you need to get a clue and stop the revisionist history.
Perot ? Didn’t help him much, did it.
Revisionist ? I quote: “With much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, 234-200. The agreement’s supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994. Clinton while signing the NAFTA bill stated that “NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn’t believe that, I wouldn’t support this agreement.
I’m aware that it hasn’t helped add many jobs in this country (except maybe for me). Spent part of my working years moving Ford parts from Mexico to Detroit. Now the whole car is made down there. But Bush I negotiated it with Canada and Mexico, and an entire Canadian administration was booted out because of it.
This is better than sliced bread.
LOL!
Really I don’t remember wanting it. The only folks wanted it was Liberals and the Baldacci Administration promoting Liberal Propaganda. The Governor doesn’t want it up there and Mainers don’t want that ugly painting up anymore either. It needs to be destroyed with a sledgehammer and put in a trash bin and pour gasoline on it and burn it.
Do you do books too ? Bangor Public Library has a few copies of Huck Finn. Gonna check ’em out and do your trash bin thing ? Understand that ole Sam Clements was a little liberal.
What does huck fin have to do with lousy Stalin era art which was over priced at 60K$??
I say grind em up and make wood pellets from them and help heat some poor mainers home :)
Well, all I can say is — after watching the situation for awhile — Gov. LePage could write a book on How To Make A Bunch of People Really Mad in a Very Short Time.
Then lets hope all Republicans read it and follow the advice – then they will finally be doing what us conservative / libertarian voters want them to be doing. The sooner more Democrats go “Mad”, in the original definition, the better off we all will be.
Better to be hated for what you ARE than loved for who you ARE NOT! Go Lepage!
protected “government speech” sounds pretty scary to me. I’m sure George Orwell would get a kick out of that one.
The mural only set a bad tone to those who did not see that it honored the hard work of Maine workers under many conditions. I have no “union,” other than the United States of America.
Take up the expenditure of these type of money for this purpose, with the Federal government. http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf
It is “stunning,” that your post has not yet been removed. Plenty was “opened” here; one would hope, and it has to do with Federal and State expenditures. The money came from (mis)use of this http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf
But Maine, (you) must return the money.
The competition was for “artwork depicting the ” History of Labor in the State of Maine”. And the murals honor Maine working people. There is nothing “left” about it.
Hence, taking down a mural that was in a Labor Department office, where tourists would never go, is okay? The picture you paint of Maine, would not be true of any place in the world. I am speechless that you whitewash it all down to lighthouses and lobster traps and fun fun fun.
You know what? That’s the closest anyone here has come to what they are calling “propaganda.”
From unemployment insurance-related money.
Here’s where the money came from – it’s a fluff issue?
http://www.ows.doleta.gov/dmstree/uipl/uipl97/uipl_3997a1.pdf
So dose that mean he can go into any school an take any pitchure that he dose not like ??
He now can – if the town or city accepted any state money to run the school. With federal court blessings. It’s now a new concept – “Government Speech”. And don’t you dare dispute it.
Note to all Maine school superintendents: Better consider removing all pictures of President Obama before the fat boy gets back from the Caribbean. Adrienne Bennett may soon be dispatched to your schools with a claw hammer.
Can he do the same to companies that get state tax breaks too ?
thats all we need is the government to have the right to free speach! hell they are burying us alive with their governing rules!!!!!if its public let us VOTE you politicans removing our rights need to go. the public is not paying attention and soon their will be no public- all will be mandated!!!!!!!
“The [court] decision just came down today and we’ll be revisiting those questions in the coming days,” after the governor returns from his vacation in Jamaica, she said.
Ah so that is why he left, already knew the ruling would come out in his favor so he is getting a head start on festivities with his fellow Jamaicans. He will probably make a pit stop in FL too and celebrate there. He is not on vacation, he is out celebrating.
I am once again shocked, LOL, by this decision. Good thing judges and their decisions are independent and not political. Oppppppppps………
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More proof of measured thought, sound reasoning and judicious financial decision.
Thankyou.
Actually$4,000 over 22 years isn’t a large amount.
The bottom line is: If you’re a Gov. LePage supporter, you support this ruling. If you’re not a Gov. LePage supporter you despise this ruling. You people are so hard headed in your bias and ignorant opinions that it blinds your ability to think clearly and fairly.
It’s like an alcoholic who denies they have a drinking problem. It is easier to focus on the flaws of others than to admit your own.
If you dont like Gov waste, you like the ruling.
If you like to waste tax payer money, then yes then spending 60K$ on garbage Stalin era art is good thing.
The liberals just dont like it because everyone coming on here pretty much agrees it was a slap in the face by Baldi and his corrupt cronies to spend 60K$ on this crap.
But again it is no suprise because the Baldis, Caines and Mitchells have driven away all the businesses and have practically bankrupted the state!
All the LePagites are out in force with this article….I wonder what you folks will do with your time come voting day when LePage is stuffed away in storage with his murals….lol.
There you go, in favor LePage…I’m thinking you people that spend so much time opposing the Governor spend half as much time trying to work with him might be a
lot better off…
He doesn’t want to work with people; he wants to lord over them, have them work for him. How can you work with such a closed-minded individual? By submitting to his “my way or the highway” style of governance? By kowtowing to his bullying tactics? “Working with” is something Paulie knows nothing about. Where did this notion of “government speech” come from? It seems to be a rather new idea, concocted by right-wing loonies, to further their own agenda. I am not a union supporter by any stretch, but the removal of this piece of work was a slap in the face to all workers, not just union workers. Mr. LePage, you can kiss my butt.
End of discussion……enough has been said. If the truth be known, the mural is bad art and is rather dull and ugly anyway. Hang it somewhere else.
This is past history so past history is dull an ugly ?
LePage’s decision to remove the mural, which contains 11 panels depicting the history of Maine’s labor movement, gained national attention, including a disapproving editorial in The New York Times and sendups by political comedians such as Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
I guess the NYT, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert aren’t as smart as they think they are.
The judge ruling was correct but doesn’t change the fact LePage is still an a-hole for doing it.
Maybe Governor LePage had the right as governor of the state to have the murals removed. But government speech? What is that? And Bennett’s statement that the lawsuit was frivolous and politically motivated? What does she think of taking down the murals was in the first place? The words frivolous and politically motivated come to mind.
Then Schneider saying that freedom of speech for the government is a cornerstone of American democracy is twisted logic. That freedom of speech is for the individual. The gravest threat to freedom of speech is the government. Governments have put people away for speech. I am unaware of people throwing the government in the slam for its speech. Well, here in the USA, we can kick the bums out of office, at least so far.
Let’s get real. Baldacci putting the mural up was government speech. LePage taking it down was government speech. What are we supposed to do, leave any crap any future Governor puts up until the buildings fall down so we don’t offend anyone?
In my opinion, the removal of the mural (though tactless and driven by an agenda) was not that big of a deal.
However, I find the idea of “government speech” disturbing. The government is not meant to have its own speech, it is meant to represent the people and act as the voice of the people. Even more scary is that some of you believe there is such a thing! I can imagine the implications of such a dangerous idea…I just hope this is the end of it.
The mural does not represent my thoughts what so ever. Before the LePage Administration and the Republican majority legislators were voted in, in Nov. 2010, as a Small Business Owner I felt like a tax slave. See I can relate to the laborers of 100 years ago in mills and factories across our country who worked under dangerous, unhealthy conditions, with little pay. Small Business owners in Maine were being treated like 2nd class citizens, by the past majority in Augusta. I resent that the mural of $60,000. was funded by Maine tax dollars and all the wasteful spending over the past, while we work 70 & 80 hr weeks to throw our hard earned money, that is heavily taxed for murals and frivolous lawsuits, not to mention all the other wasteful spending and corruption that has come to light since the Democrats lost their majority in Augusta.
Spot on Sir!
It was not “funded by Maine tax dollars.” Could you please do some research.
Mainers pay federal taxes, so he is correct, a waste of Mainers tax mony, you need to get a clue, Federal kickbacks come out of everyone’s pockets, so the more of this type of Gov waste there is, the higher our taxes go or the higher the Deficit
Wait’ll you get a look at the mural they had planned for the MSHA!
Where would they put murals at MSHA, they dont use their Conference Rooms, they just go out on Junkets and Rent Bed and Breakfasts for meetings while getting massages!
Down here in the whisper stream talk is the Salvador Dali family has agreed
to donate his painting PREMONITION OF A CIVIL WAR to replace the mural.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_Construction_with_Boiled_Beans_%28Premonition_of_Civil_War%29
I thank you for your help in your community… it’s a wonderful thing to do. I don’t know why this type of volunteering should even be part of a political back and forth. There are good folk out there, like yourself, both dems and reps, giving of themselves and their time, without pay, because of the goodness of their hearts. Let’s keep it that way and keep up the good work!
Surely, no one expected anything different from this republican judge?
His decision should be appealed in the interests of free speech, and nuts to Le Page’s censorship of free expression.
“Government Speech?” Seems I read something like that in “1984” and “Brave New World.” Harsh total government control was the theme. Big Brother ruled. It was communism and fascism rolled into a blanket of government restrictions.
As in the books and others too, writers forecast what we are now experiencing. Party members roar their uncontrollable approval fearing banishment from party rolls, should they not smile or agree with the party edict.
The tea party people are peeing their pants. Le Page’s lieutenants praise the decision, as good party members are told to.
Adrienne Bennett, Le Page’s interpretator of Big Brother’s mandates and effusive angry dictates, hurriedly and gleefully acknowledged the decision. She demeaned the peasants for what she referred to as a frivolous lawsuit. Le Page’s Party lieutenant, who reportedly authored “Government Speech” in this case, added his own hypocritical summation:
“One of the cornerstones of American democracy is free expression,” he is quoted. Although citing freedom of expression as being the right of both peasants and government, not so in this case – the peasants lost. They will continue to lose everything during his remaining tenure at party headquarters.
For Le Page, frolicking around with a beach ball at his beach cabana in Jamaica, he still hasn’t made up his mind why he stole the peasants’ mural. In one confession he said that it reminded someone of a Chinese mural in a North Korea POW camp. Another was he had been inundated with E-Mails. He could produce just one. Then he said the painting was “one sided.” On national TV he claimed it was the cost that had forced him to surreptitiously creep into the Department of Labor one dark and chilly night and remove it.
Its too ugly to up in State building anyway!
Thank Goodness! I love how it is the Dems right to put it up, so by all rights it is the Republicans right to take it down lol
Aside from the judge’s reasoning it is only fitting that a mural paying respect to those who waged and continue to wage the good fight for workplace safety, fair wages and the rights of laborers to bargain in their best interest be absent from any department subject to Paul LePage’s administration. Including one so dedicated would make a mockery of the whole effort, now over a century and half old. Best leave it alone until the sun once again comes up in Augusta.
The governor wouldn’t know a piece of art – or history – if it bit him on his sizable behind.
Well, the gov thinks he won.He really didn’t because this keeps the issue in front of the people and serves as a reminder that the gov and many r’s really don’t like labor of any kind.Not just union l;abor , but labor in general unless it comes at minimum wage or at 45.00 an hour until one is 19. This is just one of the many issues that will sunk the r’s this Nov.