LAMOINE, Maine — Maine State Police are investigating the circumstances surrounding a shooting early Sunday morning in the Hancock County community of Lamoine that left one man dead and three others hospitalized.
Lawrence “Randy” Sinclair, 32, of Ellsworth died of gunshot wounds late Sunday afternoon, while Torrey Garland, 34, of Ellsworth remained in critical condition at Eastern Maine Medical Center in Bangor.
Also being treated at the Bangor hospital was Michael Carter, 30, of Lamoine. The fourth man shot is Joshua McKinney, 35, from Ellsworth, who was being treated at Maine Coast Memorial Hospital in Ellsworth. McKinney’s wound was not considered to be life-threatening, according to police.
A fifth man also was at the scene at the time of the shootings, and was not injured. Police would not identify the man.
A team of State Police detectives was investigating the circumstances of the shootings, which were reported at about 4:30 a.m. outside the home of Carter and 22-year-old Tacy Mullins at 749 Douglas Highway. Detectives were still looking for evidence inside the house and on the surrounding property at 8:30 p.m., according to Maine State Police spokesman Stephen McCausland.
McCausland said details remained sketchy as detectives worked on sorting out the situation that occurred outside of the residence owned by Juanita Mullins, who is Tacy’s mother. McCausland said no arrests had been made as of Sunday evening, but said police believe “all the players are accounted for” and that there is no danger to the public.
A neighbor whose home is about 100 yards from the shooting scene said he was awakened by the sound of gunshots.
“I heard three gunshots,” he said, asking not to be identified. “But that’s not unusual. The person who lives across the street repairs guns, so we hear shots a lot.”
The Lamoine shooting scene was cordoned off by crime scene tape Sunday morning as a state police major crimes unit evidence response team searched the property, inside and out.
State Police Lt. Chris Coleman said Sunday afternoon that investigators had many more questions than answers. A road accident near the shooting scene may have been a factor.
“We have several different versions of what happened,” Coleman said. “There was a truck that hit a tree not far from the scene. Whether that was related, we’re still trying to determine.”
“The circumstances that sparked this violence have yet to be determined,” McCausland said, later adding that detectives would continue investigating at the scene Monday.
According to earlier police reports, a man with the same name, age and hometown as Sinclair was involved in a separate accident involving a vehicle and a utility pole late Saturday afternoon that caused a traffic jam on busy Route 1A between Bangor and Ellsworth.
Officer Tom Burgess of the Holden Police Department said the driver got distracted and lost control of his 2002 Ford Explorer. He struck a utility pole where Route 1A intersects with Bagaduce Road.
“He cut [the pole] right off,” Burgess said.
The accident backed up traffic in both directions because the utility pole was lying across Bagaduce Road, forcing cars to be rerouted.
“He walked away without a scratch,” Burgess said, referring to the driver. The vehicle, however, was totaled.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Nothing good ever happens at 4:30am.
Except babies :)
Hey! I was just about to say that!
Well played, Winterporter. Well played.
Baloney. Good things happen all the time. Depends who’s doing what. This a.m. I was up and out the door for a walk, watching the sky change colors. It is sooo good to be alive.
It does matter if drugs were involved. It matters to all of us because the drug problem in this state is totally out of control- and it effects all of us. I’m sorry a friend of yours was involved- I hope he makes it. It would probably be a good idea if you don’t read the comments section.
I too am sorry that people have been shot. However it is hard for me to believe this was a random act. I too agree that it matters if drugs are involved. Drugs bring unsavory types of people and unsavory dealings to our communities. My grandmother lives in Lamoine. It is a rural town outside Ellsworth. My concern is that these drug related crime and violence issues are becoming a part of all our lives, being able to touch us no matter where we live.
I agree with you. I’m sure that when the details emerge, drugs and/or alcohol will be involved.
I would be suprised if they were not involved in some way. Dont want to speculate to much but perhaps this was another attempted home invasion?
So which is it? Drugs or a home invasion? You’ve already established that these people were a bunch of drunks who were doing illegal things that were brought into our community by thugs from the outside world. Now it might have been a home invasion. Now you are spinning a totally different tale. Maybe the 4 men were copper thieves and were shot by the homeowner.
You have no clue what it was but earlier you were rather sure it was drugs or alcohol.
Now that the article has been updated one could surmise that perhaps these people wanted to steal guns. However one can then ask what would they do with the guns if they had been able to steal them. Keep them? Sell them? Sell them to get money for what? To buy groceries or heating fuel perhaps? Possible, but doubtful.
One thing that appears to be established is that the four men came to that property for some sort of illegal purpose. If it turns out that all four of these men are from Lamoine then so be it but I am guessing that they are not.
Was it really that outlandish to suggest that drugs might be involved?
Not outlandish at all when you know who one of these guys was.
Home invasions are very often about drugs/drug money. Whatever this was about, someone was up to no good.
Torrey Garland is someone with a criminal record related to heroin. Sinclair has a criminal history of his own which includes savagely beating a man in an Ellsworth Restaurant and robbing him.
Maybe not in this case. However the person shot to death in this case was very well known for his criminal behavior and violence in this area. Im sure he didnt go to that home for a friendly chat.
I don’t know… it was 4:30 a.m. Maybe he wanted a cup of coffee and to borrow his newspaper?
If those men went to that house to do violence of any kind then they got what they deserved. If they went to steal drugs, steal money, steal guns, steal a car or even copper it doesnt matter. What matters is that they went there to do something illegal and possibly hurt someone. If that was the case then they got what they had coming to them. All of them.
Just another typical Saturday night in Downeast Maine.
Don’t really consider Lamoine as Downeast. Typically people call Washington County Downeast.
I grew up in Ellsworth. One time a bunch of us were trying to decided where “Downeast” began.
The consensus was that it started at the Ford Garage at the Triangle in Ellsworth.
But that was a long time ago, maybe Downeast has shrunk since then.
downeast has always been and always be as soon as you hit Steuben and keep going til you hit Harrington…that’s downfrikineast
Well thats where Washington County Starts anyway, right near the Steuben Town Line. Im thinking that once you cross the bridge in Hancock and get into Sullivan and Gouldsboro your downeast.
downeast is where you cross the parritt whitten stream, at the hancock county /washington couty line ….thats where it starts
Are you still in Goudsboro at that point or have you crossed over into Steuben?
just as you cross into steuben
I grew up in Trenton. Ellsworth has always been called the gateway to Downeast Maine. Route 1 heading up through East Ellsworth and into Hancock is known as the Downeast Highway. I think the Triangle was a good place to figure on Downeast Maine beginning. The Ford Garage is gone now, got converted into a good will.
I grew up on MDI. We always said anything East of the Cheesehouse was downeast.
Too close to home.
New England Cable News(NECN) is reporting online that the shootings took place outside of a single family home in Lamoine on Route 184.
As usual, BDN is waaayyy behind in the details.
Unlike most people who comment here, the paper likes to verify details before publishing what would otherwise amount to rumors and neighborhood gossip.
i hasppen to know first hand how twisted the newspapers “facts” can be…they rarely get the whole true story…only the hearsay of people who dont really know themselves…reporters want a good story, things are rarely what they seem in the paper. too many people rely on the paper as a reliable source of information, and then presume to speculate and comment on something they know nothing about. My condolences to all involved…
The paper is a heckuva lot more reliable than a vast majority of people who comment here.
Those who claim reporters get the facts twisted should let the paper know and be prepared to provide evidence the paper messed up.
In my experience, most grumblings people have with journalists is that journalists report a side of a story the grumblers simply don’t agree with. Journalists try to sort out who is credible (credible doesn’t always mean “right”) and who likely has information pertinent to a story. Journalists aren’t any more skilled in detecting who’s lying than the police are. Some people give bad information. There’s not much that can be done about that unless someone else comes forward with credible information that refutes the bad information.
Are there bad and lazy journalists? Absolutely. Do journalists make mistakes when taking notes? Absolutely.
If you know and can prove a mistake has been made, again, let the paper know. Don’t just grumble to yourself and others.
But if it’s a matter of not believing a journalist should have quoted a particular person, that’s a whole different story. People are always going to disagree on what really happened. Opposing viewpoints should be sought and published.
Drugs I’m sure. So sad, what is this world coming to? People are throwing their lives away left and right and destroying the lives of the ones they leave behind. If a person can’t feel safe in Lamoine, Maine, then I don’t think there is a safe place left. I’m pretty sure the “Liberals” aren’t giving anyone a free pass, people should be held accountable for their actions. I think we all know the problem, but no one has an answer, can’t lock everyone up, we can’t afford it, can’t give them the death penalty for dealing drugs, can’t stick them in rehab, it doesn’t work, supplying them with methadone is making it worse and too expensive to supply them all……any other ideas????? Just wait until they all take care of their own?
I think the perfect solution would be to make drugs legal, but then extremely severe penalties for crimes committed that involve drugs. This way, the guys who just sit in their house smoking pot and snorting vicodin, who aren’t bothering anyone, won’t be harassed and arrested and clogging up our jails and courts. And the guys who ACTUALLY DO BAD THINGS will finally get theirs.
True, but I don’t think that the people that keep to themselves and are doing their own thing ,not bothering anyone else are the one’s that are winding up in jail. I know it would cut down on crime as far as burglary but even if it’s legal people are going to need to steal it, or steal for it, because they can’t afford it and think they need it. But if it was legal maybe they would all just overdose and take care of the problem……hmmmmmm, interesting proposal.
And WHO do feel should be responsible for supporting them?
The same people who do now I suppose. On the bright side all the non violent offenders convicted of victimless drug crimes wouldn’t be incarcerated which would alleviate a majority of criminals currently in jails and prisons. That would take a big chunk off the tax burden!
I think we should do what they did in Escape From New York, only with a different location. Find some giant deserted island somewhere and just turn it into a giant prison and let them fend for themselves.
At this moment in time, it doesn’t matter if drugs were involved or not. What’s important (right this very second) is that one man has lost his life, and 3 others are in the hospital. Families and friends lives are forever changed due to what happened this morning.
The other details about the cause of the shooting will become relevant later on, AFTER the Police have finished their investigation.
Yes is scary. Yes it is close to home. Yes it is probably related to some illegal or mind altering activity.
BUT, what is important right now is that people are in shock and are mourning the loss of a brother, son, cousin, friend, etc., all the while praying that the others involved recover.
Someone died? The paper says they are in the hospital. So many terrible things happening in Maine recently. I pray for the victims and their families no matter what the circumstances are.
It does not say in the article that someone died. I just happen to know that they did.
Then you need to say that and cite your source. Without a source, there’s no reason for us to believe you.
It is out of respect for the family that no one is saying publicly who passed away. Have some couth!
Citing the source of information in no way violates anyone’s privacy. Also, if the information came from a relative of the person killed, then there is no reason to refuse to divulge that information, as the family has been informed.
The family obviously knows, ryanrobbins. That’s not the point. The point is that until the family releases the information; the media is not able to, and friends are not saying either. It’s a respect thing. Period.
“until the family releases the information; the media is not able to”Where did you get that?
shes correct
It’s now printed in the article above. Is that enough of a source for you?
It’s posted in the paper now! if that is not a source then what is…?
Thank you Ryan, since he didn’t die until 3pm
Lock it up, Ryan.
Have a little respect. No need to demand sources. It is none of your business, whether you think so, or not. Updates occur all the time. Keep your eye on the situation and you’ll get the information that you’re demanding.
Have a little class.
I suggest you go back to the beginning of this thread so you will know what I was asking for.
If someone on here makes a claim that is not supported at the time in the story, then yes, that person is obligated to provide a source for their information. There’s no reason not to provide a source, unless, of course, you like to read rumors and innuendo. I, for one, don’t, and I’m not alone.
I believe it was on the news.
One dead, three hospitalized after shooting in Lamoine) This is the headline from the article.
The headline reads ”
One dead, three hospitalized after shooting in Lamoine”
I am lost here does it say one person is dead? I read 2 are EMMC and 2 at MCMH.
It does not say in the article that someone died. I just happen to know that they did.
This same post is appearing on the EPD facebook page using a real name. Just so you know. Perhaps it just someone reposting it.
Sounds to me like an arguement at a Saturday Night Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearm’s party as to who brings the chips!
Of course the BDN is way behind on the details. They have more people moderating the comments section than they do gathering news. There are more than a couple of comments in this section that had no business being removed. Kick a dead mans grave but don’t question our corrupt legal system and those that like the status quo.
Know what D JR?…..you have the option of NOT reading BDN. Do us a favor and move along. Bye bye
Just as you clearly have the option of not reading the comments.
Carlton, unless you are D JR, my comment has northing to do with you. MYOB (mine your own business) Don’t like my comments to someone other you, then DON’T read them. Subject: [bdn] Re: One dead, three hospitalized after shooting in Lamoine
Wait, how would he know that he doesn’t like your comments if he doesn’t read them? And you can’t post comments in a public forum like this and then call it not a readers business.
…and YOU have the option of not reading DJR’s posts, ever think of that?
The MSP says they are not going to name anyone yet. Even though the family knows they lost their loved one the BDN is not going to publish this information yet as they are waiting for confirmation from the MSP. This does not make bad reporting it actually is good reporting by not stating in the article of someone’s death because they are waiting for confirmation and I know they feel like their hands are tied behind their back. Understand that media is damned if they do or damned if they don’t. I think we all can remember the media reporting unconfirmed deaths or anything and have had to retract because they published erroneous facts. If I were a reporter and published let’s say a death it would be awful to have to tell friends or family that I was wrong and I am sorry for published erroneous facts. How would you feel if that were your loved one and for hours you were feeling sorrow and then surprise I was wrong your loved one lives. Just my opinion.
As the owner of this site, the BDN has the right to remove any comment for any reason at any time. They are under no obligation to you, me or anyone else to provide this forum, and I am frankly surprised that they allow any comments at all on stories like this before the facts are known. Lots of self-appointed judges and jurists out there.
including you.
Hankey- feel free to stop bloggers from posting on your pathetic site and then see your profits dwindle away to nothing. Blogging has revived the faltering news industry and on many occasions you can learn more from the comments then the story it self.
You own this site yet you openly make threats against the very people that financially support you? “I am frankly surprised that they allow any comments at all”
Umm… I think by saying “As the owner of this site, the BDN has the right…” , Hank was stating that BDN ( Bangor Daily News) owns this site.
Correct. We don’t own this site, the BDN does. Of course they can do whatever they want to it and censor anyone they choose. People that say otherwise wouldn’t want me standing on their porch giving my opinions on things. Why? because it’s not my porch, it’s theirs. Just like this site is not the publics
I agree. The BDN does not have to supply anyone with a soap box, especially if they say ignorant things. I find they are pretty tolerant. If a person gets censored, they must be out of line. At least that is my opinion.
The neighbor who heard the shots at 33am probably hadn’t turned his clock ahead yet.
LOL, you’re right! But the neighbor is used to hearing gunfire at THAT time of morning?
I know right?lol
So a person asked not to be identified by BDN is then identified by saying “he lives about 100 yards away”?
[“I heard three gunshots,” he said, asking not to be identified.]
Keeping his name out of the paper makes it a little more difficult for reporters to get his phone number and start harassing him for comments.
Um, basic investigative work would turn up his identity in little time. Anyway, a reporter has already talked with him and knows how to contact him for follow-up questions anyway. And it’s not “harassment” for a reporter to ask questions.
I will say, though, that the paper has again dropped the ball by not explaining why the anonymous source doesn’t want to be identified for readers. Basic journalism requires an explanation.
Private citizens do not have to say why they want to remain anonymous. It is up to the news organization to decide if they are a credible source and whether or not to use the information/quotes. The paper didn’t “drop the ball”; this approach is used by many different media outlets.
Then the reporter needs to say that the person declined to give a reason.
And after thatm he and his editor need to ask themselves whether the anonymous source’s information adds anything to the story. I say it doesn’t tell us any more than what the police will tell us.
Delete the quote and the source altogether unless the source has something unique to offer.
Anybody who lives that close to a crime scene will likely have reporters at their door. If it was me, I would rather give a few interviews by phone than deal with microphones and cameras in my face.
If you are going to criticize the BDN, it should be for having the story of the accident he was involved with in Holden and the story of his shooting death hours later both on the web front page at the same time and not making any reference to it or suggesting any connection.
As I posted earlier. The majority of people associated with the man that died are themselves of unsavory flavor and some of them are known to be dangerous. One of them is threating people here. Perhaps this person doesnt want to be met with his own greeting party one morning.
all that matters at this point is all that have been hospitalized make it,and no more families have to suffer,or be torn apart.
so heres what happened….. the man that got shot, bought a truck off a man and before paying it back….crashed the truck in an accident and hadnt paid for the truck and didnt want to pay him for a truck that he couldnt drive………soooo the man that sold the truck was mad that he wouldnt pay him back so he shot him………….thats according to the locals that knew all involved….alcohol was involved but not drug deals…
……..except four people were shot????
And these people all conduct business at 4:30 in the morning as well apparently.
Right. Someone doesnt want to pay for a vehicle and so they get three other guys to go with them to the sellers home at four in the morning to discuss it and come to a new agreement. Sure that is what happened.
Good thing you’re not a journalist. Name your sources.
While I agree with you, a lifetime of living in Maine taught me that the local jungle drums are very often faster and more accurate than anything you’ll read here, at least initially.
“Name your sources.”
Are you a trained parrot or a broken record?
This is a more or less freeform comments (read:opinions) forum. Regardless of the fact a commenter is making a purely speculative statement of his opinion, you request sources. It looks more like sarcasm to me, actually.
I bet three wooden nickels that if you were in the audience of a stand-up comedian’s gig you would shout “CAN YOU PROVE THAT???” with each passing joke.
You know, when your English teachers from middle school through college emphasized the importance of citing sources, they weren’t training you to become a journalist, they were training you for the real world. In the real world, you have to take responsibility for what you say. That means supporting your opinions or providing a source for information you claim is true. Claiming that an online message board is “freeform” and that you don’t need to be responsible with your words doesn’t hold up.
“when your English teachers from middle school through college emphasized the importance of citing sources, they weren’t training you to become a journalist, they were training you for the real world.” How do you know this is what they were doing? Can you name your sources for this information?
FOX news make up shat each and ever day, and has been caught doing so. When caught the explanation is that news stations are not bound by any laws and can interpret news story’s as they see fit. So if a national news station can make shat up and never document a source then how can you expect bloggers not to do the same.
I commend everyone for blogging with your opinion of what happened and i urge you to continue to do so, without citing any source.
I have seen one poster here that has posted with the ability to back up those posts. It appears that some of the other posters here are family members or friends of the men shot and more so of the man killed. I looked for myself to see if that poster was making up stuff or posting the truth. They were posting the truth. Most of those comments by that poster have been removed.
your momma was the source
This must be the accident you are referring to.
http://www.wabi.tv/news/28353/update-traffic-backed-up-on-route-1a-due-to-accident-in-holden
this isn’t true.
Feeling very sorry for the family of the man who died today. Such a tragic end to a short life! My heart is with his mother, sister and brothers whom I know and also with the rest of the family that I don’t. No one deserves this no matter what they were doing. We all have done things that we regret and I know that I would not want my family to have to hear ” well maybe she shouldn’t have been doing this or that…”. It doesn’t make a difference in the end the loved one is still gone. So have some respect and try not to judge!
I wonder where the time change was last night if the neighbor hearing shots at 330 was actually 430 that is if he hadnt changed his clocks yet. tragic either way.
legalize drugs as Ron Paul states and than people will die and it will come under control.
This is the least informed comment on the entire page.
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Oh geez where’s the occupation of all 4 in the headline? You know it’s ok with the BDN to be a drug dealer as long as you have a reputable front as a fireman!
That’s kind of hard when they don’t even have names for the people yet.
Could we all just stop with the speculating and what happened? I don’t think, right now anyone knows for sure. What we know for sure is that something very tragic has happened to innocent families. The fact is no matter what any of us “think”, there are many people in tremendous despair, shock and grief. Can we all just take a moment and remember the suffering that these people are in? Can we offer kind words of hope and support those who lives are now changed forever? Please… What is done ,is done and we can’t change that. What we can do is pray and try to support the families at this time? How about some words of kindness and condolence to these poor families.
i agree completely. And even after the news story is updated, they only have the story that someone wanted them to have..I get so sick of the speculations on these sights, my condolences to the families involved. This is a tragedy no matter what the circumstances were. I pray for justice to any that deserve it, and peace to the innocent families involved.
Really? Scary stuff. Glad you lived through it. Murder isn’t the way to go.
Are you sure of that? Just wondering if you got some info that’s not in the news yet. I looked at other news sites and couldn’t find anything to add to what BDN has here.
People in Maine should feel safe We love the lifestyle but this type of stuff is getting too scary
Not to worry this is the standard pass fail test you have to take in order to join the Maine Paintball Club.
Wait- hold the wires. The perps had been drinking Moxie and watching re-runs of Top Shot when things got out of hand.
you really got a thing for the police don’t you captain.
6 people at the home, 911 call was from a female, neighbor says he heard 10 shots
That’s the only other info I can find so far
http://www.wcsh6.com/news/article/192637/2/Shooting-in-Lamoine-leaves-four-hospitalized
Isn’t this the same crew that attacked their grandmother and robbed a safe from her a few years back (05?)…the hubby was convicted but the wife was acquitted???
That was a husband and wife from Connecticut that came up and robbed the grandmother so I dont think so. But it does include one person that has an extensive criminal history that includes violence. He beat a man severly in a restaurant bathroom in Ellsworth and stole his money. He also has terrorized the family of his mothers child. So contradictary to what some are posting here, he was not some poor kid that went to that house just to have a conversation. He went to do harm and brought a crew with him. He went looking to create trouble and got some of his own.
why are you repeatedly slandering a person who has died and cant defend themselves. Im sure the father who you call a good guy will love seeing your comments on here. You are heartless.
He is a nice man. He came from very poor family circumstances and has made a nice business for himself. His sister has been able to do the same. Unfortunately most of his family have lived a constant life of crime that involves everything from drugs and assualt to burglary and murder.
I think the father is honest enough to admit that his son was a bad seed who terrorized and beat up people along with doing other things.
What would young Randy say to defend himself? No I really didnt really beat a man bloody in that bathroom? No I dont associate with people who deal heroin? No I did not terrorize my childs mother or her family in anyway? No I dont associate with someone who owns a businesson Water Street that is known as a place to buy drugs?
Young Randy has no children….hmmm how well do you know these people really…
Perhaps the poster is a bit confused about that. However one young sinclair has a child with someone who lives on outer state street near the cemetary. And there was some strange activity related to that. Paint being thrown on cars, threats being made against the womans family, threats I witnessed in person, and threats made by the younger randy.
Old Randy is no saint either. His crew ripped us off, and he did nothing to correct the situation, other than to fire the crew.
This will be something that drives the Sinclair supporters crazy too. Older Randy was sued by EBS for not paying for purchased goods. Once again that is something that can be googled and confirmed as true.
You play on the tracks, you get hit by the train.
Can’t really say it was the train’s fault.
There are plenty of people on here that DO blame the train. There always is.
The age would be right…They may have been living in CT when they pulled their stunt and came back after hubby went to prison. The Juanita person in in police beat on a semi-regular basis…Have to dig a little deeper for more on this one.
Actually, it is the same family. Steve Robbins went to jail for robbing his grandmother, and Juanita (Mullins) moved back to Maine. It was her daughters boyfriend who did the shooting.
Yes, yes it was Juanita. SOMEHOW she got off (it was a joke that she did). Her husband went to the slammer for a long time (despite her testimony that they were together all that night!! Crazy).
The woman in that case is probably the owner of this house where the shootings occurred today and mother of the young woman who lives there. She got acquitted.
http://bangor-launch.newspackstaging.com/2008/08/21/news/hancock/lamoine-woman-acquitted-in-safe-theft/
No the woman was the wife of the man who went to his own grandmothers house on the Mud Creek road, tied her up and robbed her. That woman testified against her husband and was able to accept a plea to lesser charges.
Yes, but the house I refer to is the one where this shooting happened today. I’ll edit to make that clearer.
The house is owned by a woman name Jaunita and it is her daughter staying there. You are correct about that.
Hello
It says one died in the second paragraph. Tragic no matter what, he is only 32.
That was the first thing you said in this feed with which I agree.
i happen to know the family of the person who died. Granted, he may not have been the most savory of sorts, but to say he deserved to die in a public forum such as this, without consideration of the family involved, is pure malice, and in my opinion is as low as anything this man ever did in his life.
Im not saying the man deserved to die. Im saying that when you live a life like he did it is not a suprise that sooner or later you meet with circumstances like he did. I know who is family is too. I know one or two of them have been able to become great people in the community. The others have continued on with criminality. His step family in Trenton are full of known criminals too.
If you go looking to creat trouble, it will find you. You can beat women, beat up people in restrooms and get away with it sometimes, but sooner or later you will meet someone who will be able fight back.
Sinclair was a trouble maker and trouble comes back home to visit you sooner or later. No one should be suprised when it does so.
You seem to know a little about the crew down there. What happened to Joey Cloak? I know they found him a while back….but never heard anything else. There was always speculation that a certain “sonny”was involved.
There was a Joseph Cloak that died this past summer. He was in his seventies. Im not sure what you are talking about.
That was Joseph Cloak, Sr.
His son, Joey Cloak was killed a decade or more (give or take) ago. He was found years later. Somebody in jail, gave up the information on where his body was hidden but I don’t remember anyone ever being charged.
that was beyond ignorant.
Look, it is not for me to say one way or the other whether drugs were involved or not. I simply have no answer, and totally not the point. One is dead, and another hanging on for dear life. Let’s just leave the speculation to the police; it’s their job to sort it all out. There are several stories milling around.
Police are not supposed to speculate, they are supposed to use evidence to come to a conclusion.
Bangor Daily comments are for speculation and gossip. If your personal connection to the murderer and victims interferes with your ability to not threaten people because they make guesses as to what could have occurred then I think you need to step back off the computer for awhile and grieve appropriately.
I have not threatened anyone, so I’m not sure where you are coming from. I simply stated that I am not at liberty to speculate any relation to drug use.
“I advise you to be weary when posting now…the young man who died, and the one in critical condition, are both friends of mine and my families.”
Don’t advise me to be weary of anything when posting here because you have a personal connection to it. If you don’t want to read something that could some how offend your and/or your precious memories then maybe you should not be on BDN right now.
Have any of you geniuses looked up the difference between weary and leery?
How about wary, is that the one you are seeking?
Yes, that was a typo on my part, Ed.
That is not a threat by any stretch of the imagination. That is advising to be cautious with words. I am but a friend of those involved, but some of the comments are just down-right crude and family may be reading this as well. How is asking someone to use caution a threat? If you knew me, you would know that I am not a threatening person. I ask for sympathy; if anything. A young man was killed, another fighting for his life…does it really matter if drugs were an issue? No, lives are forever changed. People are so damn callus; it’s disgusting.
When you advise people to choose their words carefully and use caution it does imply a threat because it implies that there are consequences to post or suggesting things that you might disagree with.
You are right in there are consequences, but a threat was never made by me. Consequences with living with yourself after being SO hateful, and half of these people know little to nothing about the people affected here. I threatened no one…period. Never would. You have taken it much too far to call that a threat.
Sounds like a typical townie trying to defend the actions of a no-good-nic that they are either related to or know really well.
The man that lived in the house was also shot. It stands to reason that Sinclair, Garland and Mckinney didnt shoot at each other doesnt it. It stands to reason that Carter did not shoot himself with his own weapon. So thus it appears that at least one of the three men who went to the house was armed and fired at the occupants himself.
People are bashing my for stating the facts. Sinclair was not a good guy for the most part. It is sad that his decisions and the way he lived allowed him to come to a point where he was shot to death.
With the information we have so far, it does suggest more than one shooter. But we don’t know if it was 3 men who went to the house. There’s also another man who was there but not injured. We don’t know if it was 4 against 2 or what. They are saying it all happened outside which does suggest the possibility that somebody went outside trying to head off trouble before it got inside.
The 5th man that was there and not injured was Randy’s brother, Jake.
YOU HAVE NO FACTS TO STATE!!! This thread should all be removed!!
Wake up! people blog and speculate on everything from what the government is up too, to what is happening in a local murder, its human nature and has been going on for decades. To shout at all the readers like some mother-hen lunatic suggesting that this thread should be removed, is bordering on insanity, because you your self are part of the same problem, if you dislike whats being said; simply close your browser and go back to watching NASCAR.
No! You wake up! People need to use better judgment when posting. For all you know, TraLyn is Randy’s sister or mother, or a relative of Torrey’s. What is wrong with people? My God…is there no sympathy left in this world for the people left behind?
Some of them just can’t be convinced to use better judgement. They just like to be mean and nasty. One of the regular posters here (Harry) said it better than I can:
“Why bother Paul. These folks need to feel better than someone…. ANYONE.”
Some of the things being posted here are true Kristy. They may be painful to accept but they are true. There is sympathy for the people who lost a loved one but there is also reality. The reality of who that loved one really was or mostly was.
Lunatic?? LOL! I’m part of the same problem?? I watch NASCAR….. you don’t know anything about me….who’s the LUNATIC??
So how is it that the resident of the house got shot himself? I looked up the things that poster is refering to and you know what? It is all right there. The bathroom beating, the heroin convictions.
Could it have been a circular firing squad?
Be weary of what? Are you threatening people not to post here?
people do change when they get older..some people don’t realize this and hold it against them forever.they get settled in and responsible cause they have families,n have a business.leave them alone n let the families rest n morn the loss of a loved one.how would you like it if people said that bout you…??? get a life n grow up!! whats in the past is in the past.
How long has it been since the savage bathroom beating? Im sure the victim in that case has been able to leave it in the past.
All of the people involved in this had similar profiles….none of them were
any better than the other..this is a fact. It is a tragedy no matter how
you look at it. Families are suffering regardless of who the people
were. The malicious onesided comments seen here are a prime example of
the lack of humanity and empathy that lead to vicious acts to begin
with.The point is that 1 man is dead, and another may die. The real truth of the matter will probably never be known to anyone but those directly involved. It is horrible that this is the way things are becoming in our small communities, but it is what it is. Prey for those families involved and stop the malicious attacks that serve no purpose at all!!
WTH is going on? What is this the wild west? ME needs to do something about their gun laws, criminals should not be in possession of guns.
there are strict gun laws in place regarding violent crimes and felons..also registering firearms and safety courses for them..if we take the guns away from everyone, the only ones that will have them is the criminals…I wouldnt stand for that for a minute…just sayin
Quite contradictary, considering someone had guns and you are supposed to avoid those ‘types’. Unless you are the king of ME, I am not too worried about it, there will be plenty that want to know how and where these guys got guns. Insane, not everyone should have one, whatever are you afraid of? Someone breaking into your home at 4:30 am? Just sayin….
Well, I would try to be prepared for that possibility. When they run out of bad guys to rob they start going after innocent people.
It’s too bad we have to have guns to protect us from people that come to your home in the middle of the night. Especially felons with guns and please don’t tell me they were not, I know at least one was. Nothing good happens after midnight.
I don’t have any drugs they would want and they wouldn’t get much of a haul in loot. Just the same I have to consider what is possible these days.
Yes, one was a convicted drug felon.
exactly. Im not affraid of anything, being prepared is key. innocent people are robbed and murdered every day. Ill keep my guns. The law does its best to protect against gun related crimes, but when it comes right down too it, in that moment of crisis, if you cant protect your own, no one will.
I have neighbors on all sides but it could still take a long time for state cops or county deputies to arrive. My neighbors are all active enough that they might not be home. They go to their camps or go out of town to see relatives. In summertime there are weekends when all of them are gone away.
I pray you’re never the 65-year-old elderly/disabled lady whose home was broken into in my home town several weeks ago. Too bad she didn’t have a gun. Perhaps she wouldn’t have ended up in the hospital with injuries received when she confronted the robbers (who targeted her because they knew she had prescription pain medications in her home)
I am 65 and I don’t think you comprehended my comment. Try again.
Perhaps you care to explain my misunderstanding? It appeared to me that you were responding to pitbull regarding gun laws. Your post sounded as if you thought nobody should have guns. If I misunderstood, I stand corrected.
I said felons/criminals. They seem to be able to get them easily. We might want to up the punishment for a felon in possession of a firearm or anyone that sells it to them. I include domestics in that too.
I apologize. I obviously misread your post. I agree. Keep guns out of the hands of criminals. I, as a gun owner myself, should be 100% responsible for anything that happens with that gun. It is my responsibility to keep the gun out of the hands of anyone who could misuse it (with the exception of someone committing a crime to obtain that gun). However, I hope the good people’s rights are never taken away to own a gun.
Unfortunately anyone can get a gun, easy enough to find, steal, borrow, whatever, and the felons wont’ get caught with them until they do something awful with it:(
I’m sure they were part of a well regulated militia.
It doesn’t have anything to do with gun laws, you could have a million gun laws, criminals would still get them, criminals don’t follow the law.
Some people are amazed to learn that we have over 20,000 gun laws on the books across this nation, at federal, state, and local levels. Crooks have always armed themselves. Crooks will always have guns. Just passing another law and then patting ourselves on the back has not worked yet, has it? What works is the decent people having guns. When enough decent people are armed, the “cost of doing business” for criminals escalates to lethal levels. Guns are great equalizers, even little old ladies can be lethally armed, if they choose to be. As it is, citizens shoot twice as many crooks every year as the police do; what’s more, the police error rate in shootings is around 11%. For citizens, it is 2%. Something to ponder. Here is an excellent read: http://actionamerica.org/guns/guns1.shtml
Criminals owning guns IS against the law, and has been for dog’s years. See, this is why we say, “If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns”.
Astute observation : Criminals should not have guns.
Did you stay up all night thinking that one up ?
Genius , you are.
Obviously they are not being enforced, I could go buy a gun now with no problem, who are you kidding? You can put 20K more on the books too, pointless. Why are they shooting guns so close to houses and don’t tell me they don’t. I’ll bet he’s a friend??
What’s going on down there?….
You’re a republican, aren’t you?
The BDN has posted that Randy Sinclair has died.Updated at7:30pm.
“nobody deserves to die” So what your saying is that you support Hitler and think it was a travesty that he was killed, because nobody deserves to die?
yeah, clearly that’s what i’m saying. are we back in the 1940’s? no. you can keep what i say relevant to this conversation.
For the record, Adolph committed suicide. I agree. He deserved to die., just like those who swung at Nuremberg. He just didn’t want to die at the hands of the Russians.
“People shouldn’t through stones at glass houses.”
OK, I can’t resist throwing one (as I’m known to mess up my cliches). It’s “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to live in a brick house and throw stones at any old glass house!
yeah yeah, ha my bad. too caught up in whats going on to get it right, but i’d say it’d be unethical to throw stones at someones glass house anyhow.
You beat me to it, I was ready for a little humor today, thanks!
At least he died doing what he loved doing.
Do you mean beating people?
I think you mean ‘wary’, not weary,which means tired…just sayin’,don’t jump down my throat…
No no, it was a typo on my part.
I havent slandered anyone at all. It is a fact that Garland is a convicted drug felon. It is also a fact that Sinclair was arrested for beating a man in a restaurant bathroom in Ellsworth. Im sorry that you cannot accept that but those things are true and they did happen.
Garland is a convicted felon related to charges concerning heroin. Sinclairs latest run in with the law was for beating a man severely in the bathroom of a local restuarant and robbing him of over 700 dollars.
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Im not saying that he deserved to die. Im saying that the way he lived his life perhaps put him into the situation that got him shot to death.
Im not saying ignorant things. Im saying true things. It is all documented.
Beating women is not a mistake. Its criminal and a sign of a poor excuse for a man. Beating up people in public restrooms is not a mistake either.
Truth is the perception in one’s own mind. You may think something is true but some one else may disagree making it “true” to them. You should not be so hateful in my opinion. That is the truth to me, maybe not to you but to me it is. You should sincerely work on not being so self centered. “Love thy neighbor as thy love thyself.” It will get you somewhere.
Relevance?
How is the poster ignorant? You dont have to be a part of someones family to know something about them. What would you like us to do? Not mention the inconvenient facts and truths about some of these people who were shot? The poster has not posted one thing that can not be documented.
If I was an overall bad person I wouldnt be expecting anyone to claim I was a saint.
There is a lot of controversy here as some people appear to be friends with the man who was shot to death. Others know the man through his reputation througout the area and are making comments about that.
One person has posted that he terrorized the mother of his child and her family. I can confirm this. I was present when he threatened the mother of this woman at her work place in the bar of a local restaurant.
While it may be a bit out of place to make comments about his beating people and his other suspect and illegal behavior it should be said that those those comments are not being made blindly. They have merit.
Its too bad his activities and approach to life got him to a point were he was shot. But lets not start thinking he was some totally innocent angel either.
We don’t have enough information about what happened to be connecting his lifestyle to his death. We know 2 of the 6 people lived there. We don’t know which the other 4 were already there as invited guests or showed up to cause trouble. What if it turns out that one of the 2 uninjured people did all the shooting?
She probably did.
Showing up at 4:30am shows he wasn’t there to negotiate and it backfired on him. Who cares who did the shooting, he didn’t belong there, he was trespassing, they have the right to defend themselves. I’m curious how many had licenses.
but still, most all of the people involved had similar backgrounds. Its not fair to single out the one man that can no longer defend himself.
Curious….. Lawrence Sinclair 32 of Ellsworth………same person that caused the hours long back up on Rt 1A in Holden on Saturday afternoon when he was “reaching for his coffee and hit a utility pole”? Just wondering…..
Same, truck wasnt totally his, let you guess if trigger man was owner of vehicle that he destroyed.
There was the Holden SUV accident and a truck hit a tree not far from the house where the shooting occurred. I wonder if that second accident has anything to do with it.
the truck that hit the tree nearby was Torrey Garland. After he had been shot he tried to get away and wrapped the truck around a tree. He has lost his spleen, part of his colon,one kidney and a LOT of blood.
Still trying to figure out why you would do such a thing, he is in rough shape with the injuries your describe, I can’t believe he even drove. Pure adrenaline.
Wow, in the BDN twice in one week.
that was my thought cause why would this shooting have anything to do with an “accident”?? Ima guessing someone wasnt happy bout their truck and overreacted?
This area is predominantly white. There are a few Jamaicans over in the Jones trailer park. But your concern of color of skin is waaay of base. Maybe appropriate where you come from, yet is frowned on around here. Last slur toward a negro that was made in public earned the person jail time.
Nope these are common white folk. Its a deal of some one got something and didnt want to pay for it. Most of the public here own guns of one form or another. Getting shot is always a probability, all the person needs to do, is feel wronged get drunk, tell some friends, go back to take justice in their own hands, and BANG, instant news. Seems to be the outcome of most of these violent crimes around here. The rest of us working folk have better things to do.
That sort of thing happens but it looks like this one turned into a gunfight. That only increases the chance of us working folk getting hit by a stray bullet.
Whatever issues you have, please take them elsewhere.
Ignorant things to say? Look it up, Torrey is a convicted heroin felon. Sinclair was arrested for a horrible assault and robbery that took place in public place. Perhaps the ignorant thing was to be beating people up in bathrooms and being involved in illegal drugs.
How about instead of pissin and moanin back and forth you read the article… the information you are dying to know is in it:
Lawrence “Randy” Sinclair, 32, of Ellsworth died of gunshot wounds late Sunday afternoon, while Torrey Garland, 34, of Ellsworth remained in critical condition at Eastern Maine Medical Center in Bangor.Also being treated at the Bangor hospital was Michael Carter, 30, of Lamoine. The fourth man shot is Joshua McKinney, 35, from Ellsworth, who was being treated at Maine Coast Memorial Hospital in Ellsworth. McKinney’s wound was not considered to be life-threatening, according to police.
Whatever issues you have, please take them elsewhere. I know there are racists here. I’ve met quite a few of them. But this story has nothing to do with that.
WRONG! Not all senseless killings are drug related. The one in Dexter and the triple murder in Amity were not drug related. I do admit, many killings ARE drug related but not all.
Mike, You might want to rethink the Amity example. It might not have been a drug deal gone bad but pain pills played a significant part in that horrible crime.
Another interesting case. The man murdered there was named Ryan and originally was from Trenton. His family members have all been heavily involved in drugs. That is a known fact. His father in law is involved in drugs and we have evidence to that in an article that appeared in this paper only a few weeks ago.
But of course there are those that will swear Ryan had nothing to do with drugs. The murder of his son and friend was heinous as well as his death. Im not saying that anyone deserved to be killed in that case or in this one. Im saying that people get involved in bad things and then people are shocked when they get killed and then they try to deny the facts or brush them aside.
I think there was mention that he was disabled in a work accident and was prescribed pain pills. Maybe the motive for the killings was just to steal his pills. The killer had been staying with the ex in-laws and it looks like maybe they had something to hide. I always thought the main reason they didn’t just turn the killer in is they knew it would result in their home getting searched and maybe the cops asking other people questions about them.
go back and read his name is not Ryan its Randy!
They were talking about the murders up in Amity awhile back. In that case, the person’s name is Ryan.
If we are worried about violent crimes related to drugs maybe its time for a shift in policy that will cost less and seems to be working elsewhere:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/03/portugal-drug-laws-decriminalization-_n_889531.html
Too bad we can’t put “PIN” number on guns or manufacture firearms which need a “key” to operate it. At least if someone ever stole the gun it would be worthless to them without the PIN or KEY.
So many people talk about taking law-abiding people’s guns away If the government ever outlawed gun ownership and if someone busted into your home during the night and they had a gun and you had a baseball bat … who do you think would win?
Since the Amity triple murder I carry my .38 with me at all times REGARDLESS. Hopefully I’ll never have to use it but if the event ever arises, it’s their for my protection or for the protection of others.
If they ever outlaw gun ownership the cops will be worried about criminals bushwhacking them and breaking into their homes to get a gun. If that results in cops being told they can’t have guns when off duty a lot of them would quit. Then we would only have crazy people in law enforcement because you’d have to be crazy to be a cop if you can’t take a gun home.
Enforcing them is the problem, other states have gun laws and having one on your property for protection is perfectly legal without a permit, it is when you take it off the property you neeed one. Sounds sand to me, not everyone should have a gun and if you can’t see that, I can’t help you but you could read up on the laws NO ONE can take your Second Amendment. Some states require pins (they provide) and that your gun is secured so your kid can’t take it to school. You and you alone are responsible for that gun.
like the shooting in jefferson.
The time of day a person copulates defines their political party? If you copulate at 4:30am you and your offspring rely on social services? I always wondered….
Sounds like an early St Patrick’s Day party
What a racist comment>
266 comments so far, and I bet not one of them knows one stinkin’ thing about what actually happened that night.
Make this 267 posts now
i do….. but im not goin to post it
I know that non-participants were in fear of their lives… Is that enough?
My house is up sale and I am actively looking for a nice community to move to. I can cross LAMOINE off my list.
lamoine is paradise compared to skowvegas
the funny thing is…. if a downeaster isnt full of booze and you call his bluff when he starts trouble , he’ll pull out his cell and dial 911 everytime …book it , ive had 5 0f these mossy oak fun boys pick fights with me in last ten yrs , as soon as you say” ok lets do this” , and every single on runs for the 911 button ….add alcohol and sometimes they ll stay and fight ….fact
The 5th person who was not injured was Randy’s brother Jake. The truck that hit a tree nearby was Torrey Garland, after being shot, he tried to get away and ended up crashing the truck into a tree.
Quite the witness account on Jake Sinclair’s facebook page.
Contrary to what you believe, it is the business of everyone to know what happened. This is still a free country. That’s why the BDN reporters are attempting to find out what happened for its readers. It’s only a matter of time before a motive for the shootings is released and someone is arrested for homicide. Final editions of the BDN carried the names of those involved.
Not only that, but I’ll take an informed, knowledgeable citizen over someone who doesn’t want to know what’s going on in the community, especially when the police are involved. Shootings and homicides are always of public concern.
Slander is spoken. Libel is written.
So far, from what I’ve read, I can see no evidence of anyone libeling anyone. People are just interested in knowing what happened. Just about every day someone is getting shot or stabbed to death in Maine. It’s getting so routine, many people automatically believe drugs are involved.
You have a serious problem – get a life!
That’s original…
Obviously they are not being enforced, I could go buy a gun now with no problem, who are you kidding? You can put 20K more on the books too, pointless. Why are they shooting guns so close to houses and don’t tell me they don’t.
At the moment…..
There are 6 other classless individuals that feel the same way you do.
Very Christian-like.
#ilovetogeneralizetoo
Jake Sinclair is posting his side of the story on his facebook. He was the one who wasn’t shot.
Damage control?
very detailed too….I am sure whoever is in charge of the investigation has already printed this out and it will be evidence.
i read it
He thinks they went there for a “friend fight”. I have my doubts it was going to be a one on one fight and I have my doubts that Carter and his girlfriend invited anybody over for a “friend fight”.
What is a friend fight? Sounds like an oxymoron to me…
It’s something children do.
Those of us concerned about privacy of data aren’t on Facebook. Highlites, please?
Here it is:
Mike carter invites people to his house because he tricks them into thinking the situation is dif. I get woken up to come make sure he is serious and basically watch him amd another guy either have it out or hug it out.. who knew.. as i sat in a car with someone else and randy stood in front of it we watched torey get shot before he got on mike carters steps.. randy was standing there just watching and got some chased and shot for no reason.. and josh and i who were sitting in the vehicle and were approached and shot as we tried to runaway.. i was the only one who made it out of the driveway without being shot.. the kid is trying to say home invasion? Wouldnt u need to even approach his home?.. what was done was murder in cold blood to people he would have been friends with the next day im sure. I cant say i know exactly why mike cartee and torey felt it nec. To meet in the first place. But people are dead because of someone who was approached only by who he wanted to be. He came away from his home and killed people. If he was sp scared why not shut your door and call police. It will all come out when they find no proof of anybody near his door .. the one person who waited for him to come outside was shot immedietly. The people there for what was thought to be a stupid old friend fight were killed and attempted to be murdered for someones self satiafaction.. a brother n son is gone.. and all mike can do is make excuses. I cant wait till the truth comes out and his life is it destroyed. Like eveeyone elses. A cowards heart will beat while someone he claimed.a friend stopped.. possibly another.. another shot.. another narrowly escaping something they thought was a joke.. an invited contest over whatever he thought was worth fightong over.. im sorry, murdering
If Mike Carter was doing all the shooting then who shot him?
he shot himself during struggle with randy
One poster said he told his girlfriend to call 911 and get the 9mm when these people showed up, that she did all the shooting and Mike got hit by accident.
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Is that even English?
Morons and their facebook. Can’t make this stuff up.
the break in down in Hermon, the bank robbery in Island Falls, Countless other crimes. These people just can’t seem to stay away from the social media. Facebook is one of the best tools ever invented for Law Enforcement. Break out the banjos. It’s going to be interesting to read over the coming weeks
thanks niki
They wouldn’t be released into society if we didn’t have people in jail for non-sensical non-violent crimes. The problem is this country has 1% of its adult population incarcerated. If you want to argue the liberal-conservative thing, its the conservatives who want to put petty drug offenders in prison which causes the over crowding which causes prisons to release some violent offenders….Who created 3 strikes and your out ? conservatives…what was the result? non-violent offenders crowding prisons with long sentences…It was a failed experiment and most states got rid of those laws for that reason. I am all for gun rights and that issue has nothing to do with this story to me (i realize who you are speaking about). BTW since you claim the problem is that ” they are released into society all the time” have any of the people in this story been to prison before?
I am asking, I do not know any of them, but if that is the problem then there would be no new criminals…follow? And if that is the problem that would mean whoever caused this mess must have been to prison because the whole problem is the repeat offenders.
Not sure how it got to be a conservaturd/liberal thing. This person is just blaming and not looking at the problem but you have stated it well. You can’t fix it when you are finger pointing and making crap up.
I got a little side tracked but was trying to make it clear that if it was someone defending their home or family from criminals, I commend them! I just didn’t want to hear a bunch of idiots going on about taking away guns. If it was a drug related issue or some other type of criminal intent from persons with a criminal past and they were the ones injured, I have no sympathy for any of them. We may never know the whole truth about it but violent crime in Maine is getting worse every year.
Yeah I guess it’s fitting that anyone who uses drugs dies, right? Your attitude here shows exactly why we are stuck in a war on drugs that relies on the wrong approach entirely. The people have been trained through DARE and the such to regard drug use as a criminal problem and never consider the social circumstances that bring it about.
Like trying to fix a broken computer with a hammer, this will not ever work. All we have accomplished is creating an even greater division in our society where those who make bad behavioral decisions are deemed disposable.
There is a cheaper and more effective way to deal, but it will never get past those who think as you do.
Just did jury duty on someone that shot up another’s vehicle, they are perfectly sane here. If you want to die of boredom or being shot in the middle of the night, welcome to ME.
You all think if its drugs it doesn’t matter. These drugs situations going bad is massive in Maine and I my self worry about us working people doing the right things that one day could be an innocent by stander getting hurt or killed. We need to fight against drugs at all costs. Feel bad well if they wern’t doing illegal activvites this wouldn’t have happened.
People say even if drugs are involved it doesn’t matter!We need to fight this drug problem at all cost. Yes, it does matter. The killings in Maine are massive from what we are used to the old days feeling safe. I worry about the innocent people who work and do the right things that could be put in harms way because of this sad ti say that will probably happen sooner than later. I’m sorry for those families that suffer a loss but not the persons involved in the drug world.
I moved to Maine so I would not have to read headlines like this.
Everyone is running around with a gun, you can buy them on the side of the street. Insane! The good old days just weren’t that good to have to worry about who is packing. The Good Old Boy network is alive and well. The laws of ME should be applied equally.
It has been my experiences in life that it is not always about right and wrong with are so called system, but more times than not about who has the best lawyers and people’s character. My heart grieves when ever there is a loss of life. I wish the Sinclair family well wishes in their pursuit of justice and I’m saddened for their loss.
I recently moved back after living in Texas. You would think living in such a beautiful state as this with plenty of indoor and outdoor activities to do all year round, that people wouldn’t be driven just to sit around dealing drugs and consuming them, beating each other up or shooting each other for whatever reasons.
He is what causes the divisiveness in this country, haters like Mr. Tolerance. I’m sure he is afraid of his own shadow better he stay in Hicksville all by himself, I’m sure he’ll be safe. :) Don’t answer your door after 4 am, Mr Tolerance.
Ludicrous but ignorant, as well. Amazing.
It doesn’t have to do with the Democrats, how the hell can we afford to house them all in jail? There are just too many now. It is the drugs that are changing, not which ever political party happens to be “in power”, put all Republicans in office tomorrow, nothing would change, still can’t afford to lock up all the drug users,, thieves and perpetrators….shut down all the methadone clinics (which i would love to see), then all of those losers are out stealing and killing to get their fix. I’m just not sure I understand how every issue comes down to a political one. I absolutely agree (as a Democrat) that they should all be locked up, but how? Where? How long? And from what I understand jail isn’t that bad and you can get your drugs in there to so???????? I don’t have the answers, but I do know that it has little to do with politics.
Does it matter what “kind” of guys they are? Is there a “kind” of person that deserves to be involved in any part of this scenario? As someone who has been on the receiving end of these judgmental commentaries a time or two, let me ask you this: Who the @*#! are any of you to judge?
Oh, I’m a good judge, Paige. I can judge by your tone that you are off your meds again, aren’t you?
live by the sword die by the sword. lesson learned i think not. sadly no one involed learned anything from what took place. and i am sure there will be a lot more bullshit drama to come because certing people never change or grow up and relize how much live is worth
For quite a while now, when a life is lost people claiming to be close family or friends are compelled to engage in “conversation” with other posters about the importance of not saying unkind, cruel, hurtful comments and speculation-that the posters need to respect the feelings and pain of the innocent left behind. I have been resisting for a while, but must finally write-if i were the innocent family or friend “left behind” to mourn, I would not be reading the BDN comment pages! I would be mourning, remembering…..SO many other things than reading what nameless people say on a comment field.
Not everyone who suggests that the comments are unnecessary are close to the situation. I know who several of the people in this specific case are, but am not close to any of them. I still think that all the comments about what type of person they are, and insinuations that they deserve what they got are insensitive and don’t have a place here.
You are right in the fact that family and close friends probably aren’t reading the BDN comment pages right now. The comments stay though, and later on down the road, after the healing has begun, these people just might go back and read articles about the situation. It is then that these comments may be read, and all those hurtful things that are said can bring back lots of pain.
sadly regard less of who shot who we are dealing with a problem that will only get worse regardless of who’s in charge i’m affraid to say
I think I have read about 25 different accounts in the comments
here of who did what and who supposedly shot who. Or who are the bad guys
and who isn’t. Maybe I am naive but I don’t think what I been reading here is what is really representative of Maine. No matter what, it is sad to see something like this taking place.
The article says that the neighbor heard 3 gunshots, but 4 people were shot. Hmmmm, I’m not a math major but…..
It’s always sad when people die but, it should be no surprise when people that have been up to no good, die as they lived. I truly am sorry that this man died and hope he will rest in peace. I also hope the other three recover fully. This was a horrible event. Condolences to family and friends of the deceased. May you find comfort in each other. I’m sure you saw the good in him.
If he texted what was said in the comments AND if she did the shooting she’ll walk.
I am delighted I disgust you. The P.C. natural crowd makes me puke. The first City on my list (Lawrence Massachusetts) is primarily Caucasian with a large Hispanic population. I doubt there is a statistically significant number of African Americans living there… I may be wrong, it has been 10 years since I traveled that way.
The part of Tulsa to which I referred was or is called exactly what I called it. I spent time there in the 1960’s rebuilding a church which was burned by “person or persons unknown.” There was a bunch of that back then.
I spent a whole bunch of time when I was young and liberal in some of the places I mentioned. Teaching people to read, doing social services, and taking in foster children. So You have no idea who I am so stop with your se4lfrighous indignation. Also keep your excuses for criminal behavior, which some might consider racist. You think poor blacks are incapable of controlling their criminal urges? Me, I’m done making excuses for ANYONE’S violent behavior.
Funny you write a critique of bigotry, and you end your missive by practicing it.
The two biggest and only white ghettos in New England have been South Boston and Portland. Both predominately Irish people.
That’s kind of funny, since I lived and worked in almost totally the white ghettos of Lawrence, Worcester, Springfield and Providence. The one in Worcester was in fact the largest of these, and stretched almost three miles along that cities Main Street. Far larger than Portland’s, it contained just over 90 square blocks. You could loose Kennedy Park, and Cumberland avenue in this maze.
Relax Erin he apparently liked your words enough to re-post them. Maybe you should be flattered.
I would be, if he had made reference somewhere that he didn’t write the words, but agreed with them. Instead, he just posted it as though he wrote it himself. I don’t take kindly to liars or thieves, and he has proved himself to be both by stealing my words, and not admitting that they weren’t his.
I was confused about nothing. I don’t care what most racists say. The African American residents of this Tulsa neighborhood gave it its name.
Here’s a statistic for you:
In spite of prohibition and extreme poverty, crime DECREASED during the great depression. In fact crime has decreased MARKEDLY since the Start of the current recession.
Poverty doesn’t cause crime. People Choose to be criminals, or not.
Your half-baked apology sounds similar to the one tendered by Rush Limbaugh
Well, all I can say is that where I’m from black people used
the n-word quite frequently, but if a white person used it, it almost always went over quite poorly. So for you to break out an obscure N!rrgerville reference for no apparent reason still makes me wonder why you didn’t just stick with Tulsa?
I’m no criminologist, but your theory that the people of
N!ggerville, and the other minority heavy towns that you mentioned, have decided to be criminals simply because they felt like being criminals is confusing? Is it the water? You are correct that crime decreased during the depression and the current economy, but there are so many variables that you ignore
like that there are less wealthy people to rob, less police, less crack available, no alcohol during the depression, etc… I’ll admit that when I wrote that “poverty caused” people to become criminals, I was not totally correct. Obviously all poor people aren’t criminals, nor are they doomed to become criminals, but to exclude long term poverty from even being part of the equation just seems wrong
to me. Do people with criminal minds just naturally cluster to certain areas? In reverse, your theory would mean that in good times people just suddenly decide to become criminals.
My apology may have been half-baked, but your explanation
for why you used N!ggerville instead of just Tulsa seems fully-baked to me. Sorry.
But I’m not apologizing.