School bus company defends driver accused of saying Santa is fake

Posted Dec. 12, 2011, at 9:57 p.m.
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NORWALK, Conn. — A school bus driver accused of raising questions about the existence of Santa Claus has been moved to a new bus route, a bus company spokeswoman said Monday.

Louis Seeley, the father of an 8-year-old third-grade girl, contacted Columbus Magnet School officials after his daughter told him the driver expressed certain opinions about Santa Claus earlier this month.

The driver told the girl “he believes he should not lie to his kids about who puts the presents under the tree,” Seeley said. “He also said that he doesn’t believe that Jesus was born on Dec. 25.”

Seeley’s daughter approached Seeley a few days later with questions about Santa, he said.

“The next morning, my wife went out to the bus driver and told him not to speak to kids about Christmas,” Seeley said. “He said ‘OK.’”

But Jen Biddinger of First Student defended the driver, saying “We have no reason to believe that conversation took place as initially reported.”

Biddinger said the student had overheard a conversation between the driver and another student. She wouldn’t identify the driver, calling it a personnel matter.

“Obviously, we take all incidents very seriously,” she said. The bus company spoke with the driver and with the board of education, she said.

“The driver indicated that he was having a conversation with another student regarding his focus on other elements, other than gift-giving,” during the holidays, Biddinger said. “He was saying ‘It’s much more than gift-giving.’”

She added that the driver, who has been working for First Student since 2007, never had a complaint filed against him before this incident. In fact, parents have started calling the bus company to complain about the fact he was moved, she said.

Seeley said his concern is not so much about the Santa question but about the accountability of the driver, who he said shouldn’t be speaking with children at all. He said school officials were slow to respond to his concerns.

“There’s a code of conduct, and they should be held to a higher standard,” he said. “This is not about liking or disliking the driver … The cat’s going to come out of the bag, but it shouldn’t be by the bus driver.”

Emily Lopez, the principal of Columbus Magnet School, could be reached for comment.

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  • Anonymous

    Well now a lot of 8 year old children just now saw this as front page news….way to go.

  • StillRelaxin

    What’s this daddy talking about when he says, “The cat’s going to come out of the bag?” Jolly old Santa wouldn’t ever put a cat in a bag! That would be mean.  Besides Santa needs that bag to carry lots of twinkle dust so that he can shrink to fit down my chimney. Strange daddy.

  • Bill Randall

    How sad it is that we teach our children all of this garbage. Truthful stories can be told to our chikdren that are just as interesting.

  • Anonymous

    My kids were never lied to. Miraculously they grew up just fine not believing in Sandy Claws.

  • Anonymous

    How pathetic has society become that someone would register a complaint over something like this? It would be no surprise at all to hear that the Seeley’s want to sue for pain and suffering. What nonsense.

  • Mr_Spuddy

    The school bus company has to defend their employee for being honest????

  • Anonymous

    Let them be kids and believe in Santa for as long as possible. The real world is really starting to stink and they will be there soon enough. 

  • Anonymous

    You have the right to remain “Silent Night” ………………..

  • hey-I’m-your-man

    Jesus wasen’t born on Dec 25th – oh no.

  • Anonymous

    When my daughter was about 12 years old someone asked her if she believed in Santa Claus. She said, “Yes I do. As long as there are people out there that can still find it in their hearts to do nice things for other people, there is a Santa.” That was her belief at that time and now at the age of 37, she still tries really hard to be nice to others and gives what she can to help others as well. Isn’t that what Christmas is really about? Be kind to others and help your fellow human beings.

  • Anonymous

    Bus drivers shouldn’t be talking to kids?  Really?? I would be more concerened if the bus driver didn’t speak to the kids.  Sounds pretty creepy.  Who would the parents complain to if it weren’t the bus driver who “let the cat out of the bag”?

  • Anonymous

    The father says the bus driver shouldn’t be speaking with children at all….huh?? what?? Why not? Not only that, but if the bus driver were speaking to another person, the child could have misinterpretted what she thought she heard. And complaining to the school?? Come on now. Be a good and imaginative parent to your child and make it so your child still believes in Santa, instead of blaming someone for some “tramatic experience” your child will “have to overcome.” When my kids were little, they questioned whether Santa was real or not, because “Little Billy” said he wasn’t. I just came up with an imaginative explanation and they believed it for another year.

  • Anonymous

    8 year olds read the paper?honestly are you kidding!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q4AP5EYCYRCGZGIJGWI6TLIUEA Tom

    Good thing the bus driver didn’t insult Allah or Muhammed…

  • Anonymous

    She must be a reflection of you.

  • Anonymous

    cant speak to the kids? so who is going to tell the little brats to sit down,oh and btw kids santa IS  a fake !!!!

  • Anonymous

    An astronomical study proved that Jesus was actually born on June 17. 

    http://www.christianpost.com/news/researchers-jesus-was-born-in-june-35865/

  • http://twitter.com/TheGuardianMH The Guardian

    So he’s in trouble for saying he doesn’t believe in a lie / myth ?  I mean really?  I suppose if he said he didn’t believe in Jesus he would have been a hero? 

    Rule #1 – don’t have conversations with the kids on the bus.  Just drive the thing.

  • Anonymous

    *sniff sniff* HE IS???????? I’m going to file a complaint on you! :P

  • valgal10

    So, I can assume he does not say Merry Christmas?????

  • Dean Powers

    “The cat’s going to come out of the bag, but it shouldn’t be by the bus driver.” Anybody else get the feeling this dad is in for a litany of first times for his daughter that he’s not going to be pleased about?

  • Anonymous

    I swear this world is turning into a bunch of pansies!!! I have never heard of such a crock!! blaming a bus driver for supposedly expressing his 1st amendment right to freedom of speech.. Now if he made threatening comments I might understand, but this does’nt even come close.. leave the man alone. at least he’s talking to the kids, my bus driver never saod more than 2 words.. “SIT DOWN!!”

  • Anonymous

    Pretty funny………Someone may need a tissue…

  • Anonymous

    The whole concept of Santa sucks.  It tells kids that the presents they get on Christmas tell how good they’ve been all year.  Imagine being from a poor family and getting very little while the other kids in your class are bombarded with expensive gifts.  When my daughter was young, I told her that there was a Santa Layaway and that I would pay for the gifts and Santa would deliver them. 

  • Anonymous

    I read parts of the paper at 8 years old and I didn’t believe in Santa past 5 years old.  I think 8 is much too old to still believe in Santa.  At 5 or so, it is like a fairy tale.  If you are lying through your teeth to keep your child believing in Santa Claus, then they are much too old and may learn to distrust what you tell them.

  • Anonymous

    “Nightmare Before Christmas”? How cool is that! However, as an adult(?) well over the legal age, I STILL believe in Santa; just not the coming down the chimney part.

  • Anonymous

    Anyone who doubts the existence of Santa Claus should watch “The Miracle on 34th Street”. It will leave you with doubts that your hypothesis regarding Santa might be flawed. Of course he’s real! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cecil-Gray/1027119962 Cecil Gray

    The company should have held its ground and the driver should not have been transferred.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, please!!  I am sick of Santa being thrown in my face constantly!!  When my son was little, we told him that “Santa” was a game people played.  We were ALL Santa, and we got to give gifts to the people that we love.  Yes, the emphasis was on GIVING gifts, not “What am I going to get?”.  Beginning at age 3, he participated in finding gifts for others in the family.  Of course he also had a wish list of his own, but it was never considered a list of demands.  I think the emphasis on giving rather than getting helps a child develop better values. Lying to a child does not fit into my values either.

  • Anonymous

    Hardly proof. The researchers simply made an assumption that two planets were aligned on that particular date and could have accounted for the Christmas star. There has been other evidence that suggests Jesus was born in early April.

  • Anonymous

    This is all about people going overboard.  We are so ultra-sensitive now…anything you say will be used against you…ANYTHING.  When did we trade our thick skin for this politically correct garbage.  I suppose the ACLU will be after this poor bus driver.   I feel bad that the father hasn’t told his daughter that the reason we celebrate Christmas is to really celebrate the birth of our Savior.   The gifts, the tree, getting together as family, that is all extra.  God coming to earth as man, and this man later giving his life AS A FREE GIFT…that is the real story here.  AND on a personal note, I would find it extremely creepy if I had a bus driver that didn’t speak to the kids….just a thought. 

  • Anonymous

    You are correct.  In researching it further, the presence of lambs suggests more of a Spring birth.  Also, the fact that Joseph and Mary were going to Jerusalem to be part of the census and pay their taxes, also suggests Spring as the time of the birth.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HJQKFIBPEJ4G3YJTMPPQC25MFI David

    “Seeley said his concern is not so much about the Santa question but about the accountability of the driver, who he said shouldn’t be speaking with children at all. He said school officials were slow to respond to his concerns.”
    Geez, maybe they should just get a robot driver.

  • Anonymous

    :)

  • Anonymous

    Nope, wait until them Kindergartners with them Ipads get online and find out about this though….during class even.

  • hey-I’m-your-man

    And others say October or November . . . many people will debate this but when it comes down to it who really cares – Jesus is still the king of KINGS.

  • Anonymous

    I agree!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DHOAWBGS72NZQ3UL2G3BE5EMQM Kathie

    As a bus driver myself I cannot imagine ever speaking to the kids. I know all thier names and birthdays and I know most of thier parents. My kids have asked me if I believe in santa clause  and I tell them that its not what I belive but what they feel in thier heart. I leave that decision up to them .. Some of the older kids were telling the younger ones that there is no santa claus and I tell them that they are just afraid they wont get anything for christmas because they were being bad on the bus…it gets a laugh out of the bigger kids (because they know they are the best students in the world ;) ) and it cuts off the conversation. As far as talking about Jesus’ birthday…we have a policy at work that is the same as school …we are not allowed to PUSH our religious beliefs upon any student but I do TELL them mine if they ask.  Leave the driver alone! Just another uppity person who thinks they are better than the bus driver. Who is he to say the bus drivers shouldn’t talk to the kids!!! What no GOOD MORNING to put a child in a better mood when they had a bad morning at home??? who is he kidding?

  • Susan Reynolds

    I was so mad when I found out that my entire family had lied to me about Santa for six years. How cruel. I was even more embarrassed that I “fell for the lie.”

    I would NEVER tell my kid that some strange white man is creeping into our house at night and secretly spying on them and judging on them all year round!

  • Anonymous

    Also as a former driver, I was often the first line of defense for your children. I never had to talk to them first, they readily offered their joys and concerns. I knew when they were worried, happy, had a big test or were abused. I knew when their parents drank too much, fought and even were adulterous. Give you children credit.  If they feel safe with an adult who greets them with a smile and respect and nothing more, they will talk to the driver. Kathie’s antidotes are right on.

  • Anonymous

    The bus driver acted responsibly.  We should not be lying to children about fantasy characters.  Yes, he is also correct about Jesus.  Jesus was not born on Dec 25 if he was even a real person.  That date was picked by the Pope to correspond with pagan celebrations to help in conversion.  Gee, sorry the busdriver is educated, intelligent and honest.  What a horrible employee!

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