Surge in handgun ownership propelled by shifting politics, demographics

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Robin Natanel at the Smith & Wesson Shooting Sports Center in Springfield, Mass., in October. Natanel bought a gun after her house was broken into by an ex-boyfriend.
Ken Wells | Bloomberg News
Robin Natanel at the Smith & Wesson Shooting Sports Center in Springfield, Mass., in October. Natanel bought a gun after her house was broken into by an ex-boyfriend.

Robin Natanel picks up a compact black pistol, barrel pointed down range. Gripping the gun with both hands, left foot forward, she raises the semi-automatic and methodically squeezes off five shots. The first one creases the left edge of a red bull’s-eye on a target 25 feet away. The four others paint a 3-inch pattern around the first. If the target were a person’s head or heart, he ‘d probably be dead.

Natanel is a Buddhist, a self-avowed “spiritual person,” a 53-year-old divorcee who lives alone in a liberal-leaning suburb near Boston. She is 5-foot-1 and has blond hair, dark eyes, a ready smile and a soothing voice, with a hint of Boston brogue. She’s a Tai Chi instructor who in classes invokes the benefits of meditation. And at least twice a month, she takes her German-made Walt her PK380 to a shooting range and blazes away.

Two years ago, an ex-boyfriend broke into her house when she wasn’t home. The police advised a restraining order. Instead, she bought pepper spray and programmed the local police number on her cell phone’s speed dial. “I was constantly terrified for my safety,” she says.

Ultimately, she got the Walther, joining a confederacy of people who might once have been counted on in the main to be anti-handgun — women, liberals, gays, college kids. They are part of a national story: Domestic handgun production and imports more than doubled over four years to about 4.6 million in 2009, according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a gun-industry trade grou p.

The surge has been propelled by shifting politics and demographics that have made it easier and more acceptable than at any time in 75 years for Americans to buy and carry pistols. Post-9/11 fears also seem to be a factor, as has been the relentless pro-gun politicking of the National Rifle Association and marketing, particularly to women, by handgun manufacturers. Events like the Dec. 8 fatal shootings on the Virginia Tech University campus reinforce a feeling that the world is an unsafe place, even as violent U.S. crime rates fall.

Natanel found it was no trouble to purchase the Walther, a brand favored by movie superspy James Bond, or to locate experts to train her. Her circumstances won her a conceal-carry permit in a state with tough gun-control laws. Her friends have been broadminded about her conversion.

“I’d never considered a gun,” Natanel says. “I thought they were scary. I wanted nothing to do with them. I didn’t think anyone should have them.”

Twenty years ago, 76 percent of women felt that way about handguns, and 68 percent of all people in the country were wary enough of firearms of any kind to tell Gallup pollsters that they backed laws more strictly limiting their sale. Then what Gallup calls “a clear societal change” began.

In October, a Gallup poll found record-low support for a handgun ban — at 26 percent among all, and 31 percent among women. The poll, which has tracked gun attitudes since 1959, documented a record-low 43 percent who favor making it more difficult to acquire guns and record-high numbers of women and Democrats saying there is a firearm at home. Forty-seven percent said someone in the hou sehold owns at least one gun, the highest reading in 18 years.

The growing acceptance of guns echoes a transformation in the politics of weapons. In 1987, Florida joined a handful of states that by law or tradition allowed people to carry hidden guns; now Illinois is the sole conceal-carry holdout, and the U.S. House of Representatives on Nov. 16 sent to the Senate a bill advocated by the NRA that would require those that issue concealed gun permits to recognize licenses from other states.

In decades past, mass shootings, such as the Jan. 8 rampage that killed six and wounded Democratic U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona, provided a potent rallying cry for the anti-gun movement. These days, pro-gun forces are as likely to parade them out as evidence that citizens need to arm themselves against attacks that authorities are often helpless to prevent. Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, which claims 45,000 adherents on Facebook, sprang up in response to the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings.

“Post-9/11, the thinking of more and more people is that, when push comes to shove, I need to be more responsible for my safety,” says Peggy Tartaro, executive editor of Women & Guns, a magazine published by the Second Amendment Foundation, a Bellevue, Wash.-based group named for the constitutional amendment regarding the right to keep and bear arms.

At the same time, the conceal-carry movement has gained momentum, in part because the dire predictions of anti-gun groups in the early years of the fight — that carriers of hidden guns would deploy them to settle disputes over road rage and the like — haven’t materialized.

“We don’t look around and see blood spreading across the country,” says Deborah Homsher, an Ithaca, N.Y., writer whose 2001 book, “Women & Guns,” explored gun politics in the 1990s. “I think that fact deflates the anti-argument.”

The advent of the 24/7 news cycle and its steady thrum on violent crimes may also be helping to drive people to handguns. Deciding to acquire one is part of “a broader feeling of helplessness that doesn’t come out of any kind of thoughtful calculation of risk,” says Homsher. “People buy guns to get rid of their phantoms.”

While middle-aged white men own the most handguns of any demographic segment, according to federal data, other groups are arming up. Besides Students for Concealed Carry, there are the Pink Pistols, Mothers Arms, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, the Second Amendment Sisters, the Women’s Firearm Network and the International Defensive Pistol Association, among others. Their influence may be outsized in gaining converts as they set up Facebook pages, churn out blogs and post recruiting videos on YouTube.

The public face of the 11-year-old Pink Pistols, which claims 1,500 members across 29 chapters, is Nicki Stallard, a 52-year-old, San Jose, Calif., medical technician who has a Colt .45 and a conceal-carry permit. She recruits under the group’s motto, “Armed gays don’t get bashed.”

Stallard, who had a sex-change operation in 2007, is in a documentary that amounts to a call to arms for gays. The title, “Arming Laramie,” derives from Laramie, Wyo., the site of the 1988 murder of Matthew Shepard, a 21-year-old gay college student, that led to the passage of a 2009 federal hate crimes law named after him.

As Gwen Patton, a former spokeswoman for the Pink Pistols, says in the trailer: “We teach queers to shoot — then we teach everybody that we’ve done it.”

Proselytizing for handguns in the gay community can be difficult, Stallard says, given that “many people in gun culture are anti-gay, so as a reflex, the gays are anti-gun. It isn’t logical, it’s emotional.”

“I accept that the gay-rights movement began in nonviolence, and I believe in nonaggression,” she says. “But if in adopting a posture of nonviolence you make yourself a target for a sociopath, that’s not right. Violence is ugly, but if my life is on the line I will protect myself.”

While the skeptics don’t dispute that the raw number of guns, including pistols, has grown, they point to the General Social Survey conducted by the National Opinion Research Center, which indicates more guns are being concentrated in fewer hands. That poll last year found a third of households claimed to have at least one gun, far fewer than those answering the same question in Gallup’s October poll. Tartaro says these discrepancies lie in the fact that people “simply don’t always tell pollsters the truth about gun ownership.”

Those Americans who have acquired handguns for protection are living with “serious delusions,” says Caroline Brewer, a spokeswoman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. She contends that few are trained rigorously enough to deploy their weapons in the shock and heat of an attack, that they’ll shoot innocent bystanders, that more times than not their firearms will be turned against them.

Over lunch at a Friendly’s restaurant in Springfield, Mass., Robin Natanel marvels at her changed attitudes. A half-hour earlier, she was browsing the Smith & Wesson retail store and, she says, “drooling over guns — it’s like shoe- shopping to me now.”

Natanel recalls the Oct. 12 shooting rampage at a Southern California hair salon in which eight people died. “If people couldn’t get guns at all, yes, maybe that would have prevented the shooting. But that’s not the world we live in,” Natanel says. “And what if I had been there with my gun? What if I could have intervened? Slowed him down. Would people judge me then?”

She adds: “I wake up every day saying, ‘Please, I never want to shoot.’ But make no mistake about it — you try to hurt me and you’re done.”

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  • Anonymous

    “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
    the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
       Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
     
     Is gun ownership a “civil right?”
    World Net, from Princeton University, defines a “Civil Right” as a right or
    rights belonging to a person by reason of citizenship including especially the
    fundamental freedoms and privileges guaranteed by the 13th and 14th amendments
    and subsequent acts of congress including the right to legal, social and
    economic equality. This makes gun ownership as much of a civil right as freedom
    of speech, religion and freedom of the press.

    1a. Supreme Court affirms Second Amendment as a fundamental
    civil right (District of Columbia v Heller)
      Reference, “The Second Amendment Foundation” online. http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7nQImeVOIGkAa5BXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1bjBiN2VjBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1NNRTA4NV8yNjM-/SIG=117bb8ssd/EXP=1323698568/**http%3a//www.saf.org/
     
    1st..There is alot that I could say about this subject, however I will keep it short and to the point.  Guns do NOT Kill ! Period ! The person with the firearm has the final decision on the matter. How much are you and your loved ones life worth. Not much to a criminal. An armed American citizen has the obligation to protect their Family and Property. Check out following link to the Castle Doctrine.   http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7kp4luVOujkAZFpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1bjBiN2VjBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1NNRTA4NV8yNjM-/SIG=1209ngf9j/EXP=1323697912/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine
     
    2nd..Be Educated and Informed about the issue. It is YOUR responsibility to Know The Facts and make a rational decision concerning how best to deal with remaining safe in your home and out on the streets. Check out following link for important information ! http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7l1Fl.VO8gEA4GNXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1bjBiN2VjBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1NNRTA4NV8yNjM-/SIG=11g647u8v/EXP=1323698117/**http%3a//massadayoobgroup.com/
     
    3rd..Be sensible and honest about this subject. Criminals DO NOT think the same as rational “NORMAL” people. A human life is worth nothing if you have what they want ! Home invasions and robbery are on the rise because DRUGS and fast cash mean more to “THEM” than anything else on earth.
     
    In closing remember this, if you feel threatened you have three choices, FIGHT,FLIGHT OR FREEZE ! Freeze and Flight are very natural responses in a critical situation. FIGHT takes on a whole different attitude, IF you are prepared and practiced for a life changing moment. Be Prepared, because when LIFE and DEATH is measured in seconds, the Police are ONLY minutes away. TTYL   ;<)

  • Anonymous

    As they say, there are wolves and there are sheep.  Bad times to be the latter.

  • Anonymous

    Obamaeconomics. I’m buying ammo. You never know when the Occupiers, their Union thug allies, and the deadbeats come to get the stash of those who have to give to those who don’t work.

  • Anonymous

    Since
    Obama has been sworn in as President, the only real “gun nuts” are the
    people who don’t have any.

  • Anonymous

    What an incredibly ignorant thing to say!

  • Anonymous

    the voice of the great unwashed ignorant– dont worry laddie, no one will want your flat roof  trailer with the outhouse out back

  • Anonymous

    anyone that cites world net daily and has a handle of 357 magman has some serious insecurity issues–

  • Anonymous

    I cannot believe that your remark was made in a serious way.  Rather, you  must be simply trying to stir the pot of disparate opinion for your own amusement.  In that same spirit I would say to you that the U.S. should ban all guns.

  • Anonymous

    You are related to mainer4ever aren’t you.  I know, you are mainer4ever’s father and brother right?

  • Anonymous

    I armed up when Howdie Dooty and Darth Vader were in the white house.For obvious reasons.

  • Anonymous

    Remember boys and girls – Guns don’t kill people, people with guns kill people.

  • Anonymous

    It’s Odarth Barry and Howdy Do0tndeedoot, and both are still there!…..at least until 2012 unfortunately.

  • Anonymous

    And anyone who cannot define the “grip” of a 357 “magnum” is most likely a proud graduate of the third grade.

  • Anonymous

    In todays society, that is the best way to feel.

  • Anonymous

    Ah yes, the US should ban all guns….like, China, Russia, Cuba…..
    Not only no, but hell no, Not here, not now, not ever…..or perhaps you missed the part about the Second Amendment in US history class.

  • Anonymous

    I would like to see what would be going through your mind, if you encounter someone burgularizing your home and you don’t have a gun in your hand.

  • Anonymous

    The best advice you could give, is don’t leave home without your gun.

  • Anonymous

    And you neglected to mention the “sheep dogs”. Those of us who are of the warrior breed.
     As in a blue Robin’s egg, inside it is soft and gooey and someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without the hard blue shell. 
    Our guns are part of the hard blue shell.
    The sheep dogs protect the sheep from the wolves, those who have a capacity for violence and have no empathy for their fellow citizens, and as such are aggressive sociopaths.
    Come then the sheep dogs, those who have the capacity for violence, but a deep love for his fellow citizens. The sheep dog, a warrior, someone who walks the hero’s path, one who walks in the heart of darkness,  into the universal human phobia, and walks out unscathed.
    Proud to be a sheepdog.
    “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”

  • Anonymous

    yes darth vader ginsburg, aka  ruth bader ginsburg, anti un, anti baby, anti american as is that POS Obama,and clinton the loser that nominated her. do you nkow her opinion, what she thinks about the legalization of abortion??

  • Anonymous

    All the more reason to be prepared. So, what firearm do you prefer?

  • Anonymous

    i reload my own, for my 44 mag snw,my colt 45 acp, and me ruger M77 280 remington. always prepared.

  • Anonymous

    I am a person that has handled firearms practically since I could walk.  In our house they were never locked.  The weapons & ammo were stored apart.  I was told to not touch them.  Not even a question. 

    A firearm is a tool.  You take it out when you need it, like a hammer or screwdriver.  Never had a problem in our house, and working with my nine year old daughter with the same ideaology.

  • Anonymous

    i like the grips on my 44 mag, and, my colt 1991 a1 45 acp.as Mr. Burns would say,Excellent!!

  • Anonymous

    People without guns kill people, and they did it long before guns came along.

  • Anonymous

    You must have been beat up as a child, you are so negative about everything except your mother Ms. Quimby.

  • Anonymous

    The reason the OWS protests haven’t turned as violent as the British ones prior is that you can’t go smashing shop windows when the owners might be armed.

  • Guest

    I am a gun owner, have been for years.  Now I am working on my bullet stash.  We return bottles, soda cans a couple times a year and save enough to buy a box of bullets each time.

  • Anonymous

    I got a S&W M&P 9mm simply because if it’s that common, it must be alright. I am unimpressed. I love my Ruger Mk II and so may start looking at some Ruger 9mm models for my concealed carry.

  • Anonymous

    sorry , misunderstanding seems to be your forte– handle as in posting name

  • Anonymous

    Should probably still have them locked. You’d hate to come home to have your own gun pointed at you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H42QFRNGIVG36JTIS536PFBLS4 Brian

    Well said sir… Unfortunately, that warm and fuzzy feeling one gets knowing the sheep dog is on patrol 24/7 vaporizes when he/she realizes that the Wolf is 30 seconds away from doing harm and the Sheep Dog is on the other side of town on a meal break.

    So at the point what should a woman do for protection… offer her assailant a condom and hopes he uses it or reach for the “Scatter-gun”?

    The PD is our 1st and foremost level of protection hands down, however there are times when they just aren’t where they need to be. In the same vain…for a citizen anyway, taking a persons life is very very serious business that comes with a litany of  civil and criminal issues so if you feel you need a gun for protection get the training to use it properly and safely. The PD has special protections that allow them to take a life. For us civilian we have very few!

  • Anonymous

    When the S@#& hits the fan and all you anti gun people out there are running from the threat, make sure later you thank a gun owner for saving you!

  • Anonymous

    The Judge!!

  • Anonymous

    Gun’s don’t kill people. Husband’s that come home eary do.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    journalisctss can’t speall.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Guns don’t kill people, bullets do.

  • Anonymous

    That line in your post was a bit ambiguous.  Don’t forget the quotation marks around quotes and your stuff will be easier to read. 

    Not that my posts are perfectly written either.  I’m just saying…. :-)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Is that a Smith and Wesson model?

  • Anonymous

    This line from the article is interesting:  ” Her circumstances won her a conceal-carry permit in a state with tough gun-control laws.”

    It’s sad that a person needs a special life situation in order to “win” a gun permit from a city or town chief of police in Massachusetts, but that’s the way gun law works down there.

    As a former MA citizen myself I can say that “equal protection under the law” is a concept completely lacking in The Commiewealth of Taxachusetts’ gun laws.  Some Mass. chiefs of police hand them out routinely while others have all kinds of requirements including doctor’s letters, etc. to some towns that basically don’t issue licenses to carry (LTC) at all.

    Mainers, as bad as you think laws, government, the economy, etc. might be in Maine, never forget how many rights have been taken away in the states to your south.

    Of course, Massachusetts knows how to keep people safe, don’t they?  Anybody care to drive down to MA later this week and go for a stroll along Dudley Street or Geneva Avenue some night?                           

    I didn’t think so.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    I need to get some more ammo, where are the places to go for good inexpensive ammo? Any Ideas. My current supply is about ten years old, so I need to start practice shooting again and rotate stock. Thank you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    That is not true, it goes against everything I was taught. No one was murdered until guns came along, the world was full of peace and quiet.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Todd-Foster/686645014 Todd Foster

    Then I take the one out of my jacket and point it back.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Hilarious.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Todd-Foster/686645014 Todd Foster

    Guns don’t kill people, husbands that come home early kill people. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Todd-Foster/686645014 Todd Foster

    Just realized I posted the same thing before I read yours.  :-)

  • Guest

    If you’re not comfortable with the idea of owning a firearm, or don’t feel the need to own one, then don’t get one.  That’s your choice and your right.  If, however, you fall into that category, don’t judge those of us who do choose to be armed.  Anybody who chooses to be armed should be responsible enough to understand the firearm(s) they own and how to safely handle and use it/them.  As far as being mentally ready to use a firearm against another person is another matter.  Regular training in this area can help to assure that you will be able to make the right call should that situation arise.  Hopefully, it will never come to that for any of us who do own firearms.

    Not being able to get into the head of somebody who is willing to break into somebody’s home and harm an innocent person, or assault them while not in their home, I am convinced that if they know you are armed and willing to defend yourself, you are less likely to become a victim.

    Although our founders didn’t have to deal with some of the issues we face today in regard to crime, they certainly understood the value of an individual’s right to defend themselves against whatever the threat was.  It’s not by accident that right to keep and bear arms is the 2nd of the original ten amendments to the Constitution.  I firmly believe that if you have a problem with the 2nd amendment, and feel that it should be abolished, that you are in fact a threat to the security of “we the people” and the nation, and that you should probably denounce your citizenship here and move to a country who’s views and laws in regard to firearms more aptly suit you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Do you know how much violence that would create? You would most likely enjoy it a get a good hoot just like any other cold blooded killer.

  • Anonymous

    At your own child, perhaps?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    I would give them a Karate kick and then side hand chop to the neck. End of story.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CATDCLORQXHORDPFKVWQS3CJYU James

    Communists that love communism do not want to stay in communist countries, they want to come to a non-communist country and change it to communism, just like muslims do not want to stay in their countries, but want to change other countries to their liking. Kinda like people from Massachusetts and Connecticut want to change Maine to their way of thinking.

  • Anonymous

    Colt 1911…and an AK

  • Anonymous

    No, it’s a Taurus.

  • Ken Fogelman

    People are increasingly aware that each of us is directly responsible for our safety and the safety of those we love. As we speak, the Portland City Council has passed a resolution urging the Legislature to pass a law outlawing concealed carry individuals from bringing their firearms into large venues, ie. Bangor Civic Center, stating that there is no need for such a “pivilege”. Once again those with the lowest rate of criminal activity and the most scrutinized backgrounds are pointed at as the enemy. Rest assured that there IS a need -  the need that always exists  when those in the public with destruction on their minds and no consideration for laws or life might be present. How sad that those with the duty to insure safety cannot see what is visible to most. Hopefully,saner heads will prevail. Many of the victims of recent record might have been able to survive the onslaught if they had taken the same steps that many in the above article have taken. The Founders of this Republic disagreed about many isuues, but were uniform in their belief that the citizens of this nation had a right and an obligation to arm themselves for a lesser and a greater good.   KF

  • pbmann

    And the person who already has a gun pointed at you will just let you do that?

  • pbmann

    Never owned a gun, never needed one.  I don’t present as a victim so no one bothers me.

  • pbmann

    Hmm, countries with more guns are more violent.  Countries with less guns are less violent.  True story

  • pbmann

    People who own a gun are more likely to die from gun violence.  That holds true no matter the socio-economic status of the victim.

  • pbmann

    If a criminal thinks a gun might be present in a home will do one of two things.

    1. not enter the house, or
    2. enter the house with a firearm of their own expecting trouble.

    Homeowner is safe if the first option happens but if the second option happens, then the criminal may have the advantage.

    And no one, and I mean no one, knows how they will react when it comes to the taking of a human life.  Soldiers have to be trained (some say brainwashed) into being able to take a human life and civilians do not have that training. 

  • Anonymous

    You watch to many James Bond movies.

  • Anonymous

    No Problem! A karate kick and a hand chop will fix it LOL

  • Anonymous

    What a dipstick.

  • Anonymous

    Amen to that.

  • Anonymous

    I would be willing to bet, the Scattergun would slove the problem better.

  • Anonymous

    You are such a dufus.  Did Jack the ripper use a gun?  You should get a new teacher.

  • Guest

    Although the police would, I presume, prevent every crime if they could, they can’t be everywhere at once.  For the most part, they do the investigating after the damage has been done.  We are, first and foremost, responsible for our own and our family’s safety.

  • Anonymous

    I think you mean criminals who own illegal guns are more likely to die from gun violence.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed, the boys in blue cannot be all places all the time and law abiding citizens understand that. But then so do the wolves.
    As I have thoroughly taught my wife, should I be away, say on a sheepdog adventure, any entry to our home results in here employment of the 12 gauge.
    And I would disagree with your assessment of the protections offerrf to civilians. The Castle Doctrine, to which Maine adheres, is quite specific. We have the right to protect our “castle” and all who reside within, and no duty to retreat when threatened up to and including the use of deadly force, which I for one would strongly recommend in such an instance.

  • Anonymous

    There is an old saying. When seconds count the police are only minutes away. My town depends on the Sheriffs Department and the State Police. They arent always in the neighborhod. Its somewhat rare to see them at all in my town.

  • Anonymous

    You know Boston, that I can tell. Boston has done a pretty good job of cleaning things up along Tremont Street and Washington Avenue but some places are still a bit rough.

    I used to live in the Fort Hill area of Roxbury. About two or three blocks from Dudley. Not bad at all really. Take that walk to Dudley Square and things got a bit dicey. Blue Hill Avenue through Dorchester, is another place. No extremely dangerous, but not extremely safe either.

  • Anonymous

    Im not so sure. I live about half the year in a foreign country in south america. There seem to be a lot of crimes with very violent circumstances committed here, especially in the larger cities. While it may not hold true that crime would go down if more citizens were armed it certainly could make a difference.

    The opportunity to own a gun here as a private citizen is extremely difficult and there is really one police organization that I would have faith in.

  • Guest

    Same situation here.  We’re supposed to receive so many patrols per month from the State Police and the Sheriff.  I’m not saying they don’t, but I rarely ever see them.  A friend of mine who’s a state trooper told me that he’ll usually come down our way when they need to get their quota of seat belt infractions.

  • Anonymous

    Vermont had that problem when I lived there, except it was not only people from Massachusetts and Connecticut but also people from New York and New Jersey.

  • Anonymous

    actually i thought” 357 magMAN  instead of magnum would tip everyone off

  • Anonymous

    Years ago when your doorbell rang at 11 P.M. it was more than likely a bunch of neighborhood kids playing a prank. You would have more than likely opened the door without even looking out of a window to see who was there. Not today, have a gun and be properly trained to protect your family.

  • Anonymous

    The important thing to remember here is that Practice makes perfect, especially when it comes to owning a firearm. Gun control is using BOTH hands.

  • pbmann

    No, I meant law-abiding as well as criminal

  • pbmann

    Nice… shows your level of knowledge.

  • pbmann

    Studies have shown that countries with high level of gun ownership have more crime than countries with low gun ownership.  The same can be said of states in this country, the higher the level of gun ownership the higher the crime rate for the state.

  • Anonymous

    I think you are the only one to get it James.  And, sadly, it worked.   Heck they even missed your joke.  Good grief! Oliver_Ellsworth carries it on in a most serious way below. He claims anti-2nd amendment people should renounce their citizenship ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Notice that Mainer4ever hasn’t said a word. He/she is just sitting back laughing at the people who are stupid enough to react ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Thanks James. I needed at least one person, other than the original trouble maker Mainer4ever, to get it.

  • Anonymous

    James, THEY STILL DON’T GET IT!  Good heavens.  And to imagine these people are actually allowed to own guns.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Todd-Foster/686645014 Todd Foster

    When I have children, I will lock them in a safe.  ’Til then, I’m not worried. Thanks for your concern though. :-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Todd-Foster/686645014 Todd Foster

    Fastest gun in the east!  Those guys are all doped up and don’t have a very good reaction time.  :-)

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