Occupy Bangor to consider pulling up stakes on encampment

Members of Occupy Bangor meet at a general assembly Monday, Nov. 28, 2011 to discuss the pros and cons of shutting down the Occupy encampment at Peirce Park in Bangor. Buy Photo

By Dawn Gagnon, BDN Staff

Posted Nov. 28, 2011, at 10:00 p.m.
Last modified Nov. 29, 2011, at 6:07 a.m.

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http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q4AP5EYCYRCGZGIJGWI6TLIUEA Tom

Noooooooo! Please, please, please stay at least until next year’s election. You’re the reason Obama ran for president!
Anonymous

The movement didn’t start until after Obama was in office, so that seems un-likely.
Anonymous

The Summer Soldiers of the Left are proving to be a disappointment. They just don’t make protesters like they did in my day in 1969-1970. We hung out to the bitter end and got beaten and tossed in jail–but we brought down Richard Nixon and changed America’s thinking on Vietnam (it was a mistake then just like staying in Afghanistan and supporting Pakistan is a mistake now).

I sincerely do hope they stay and perhaps adjust their goal to “Reform Wall Street”, having so far failed to articulate anything meaningful to replace it with that hasn’t already been tried and consigned to the great dustheap of history. It’s a great country and is has given them the virtually unfettered freedom to speak and it would be a great shame if they gave up so easily.
Anonymous

According to the AP covering Obama’s visit to the OWS protests:

Just as the president started his speech, protesters, apparently from the Occupy Wall Street protest movement, used the “human mic” technique to amplify their voices. It was unclear what the protesters were saying, or what point they were attempting to make. [...] “I appreciate you guys making your point; let me go ahead and make mine,” Obama said before continuing his speech. “I’ll listen to you, you listen to me, OK?” A few minutes later, Obama acknowledged the Occupy protest movement again, saying: “You are the reason I ran for office.”
http://twitter.com/NorthernRants Bill Buck

Quit living in the past, please. This nostalgia for hippie protests is comical. ocCUpiers are like protesting like the cause-heads of the movie PCU just to protest.
http://twitter.com/NorthernRants Bill Buck

Such a massive movement. Look at the overwhelming group at their ‘general assembly’.
http://twitter.com/NorthernRants Bill Buck

“Carter said she was concerned about the toll an extended occupation could have on campers who are students, have family or have jobs.”

I thought according to leftists posting here that they were all retired, disabled, veterans?
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q4AP5EYCYRCGZGIJGWI6TLIUEA Tom

I heard the Presidizzle say it on the news!
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q4AP5EYCYRCGZGIJGWI6TLIUEA Tom

Thank you!
Anonymous

They won’t be giving up. They will continue on , even if not as many at the encampments during the winter months. They will not just give up. They will develop other ways to continue on.
Anonymous

You sure do seem to have quite an interest in it. It sure seems to affect you if you think about it so much.
Anonymous

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” M. Mead
Anonymous

I can agree with you on one thing. No one knows what to do. Not in Washington, certainly not in Augusta. With all of the resources available to them, they have no solutions. One cannot fault the Occupiers for not knowing the solution. But one can commend them for raising the questions everyone else wants to ignore.
Anonymous

Actually we are living in the future. A future that turns the current American Tragedy back into The American Dream.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Hosebeast/100002095287763 Regina Hosebeast

Well on the bright side, I got a message from the Occupy movement. The message is, we have a whole lot of people, jobless, without direction or purpose or just totally fed up with being a faceless and unknown member of our world, that need to feel a part of society again. So many folks are simply lost souls, and short of joining a gang, this was the next best thing. People want to be a part of something that really matters.

Change is needed and long overdue, and the most important thing we can do is remove our local, State and Federal Government elected officials that are completely out of touch with us. It’s not big corporations or big business in general that is causing our apathy and desperation; it’s the lack of good sound leadership.

Politics for our elected leaders has become a revenue stream and gateway to power and prosperity, and no longer resembles what our founding fathers had in mind; honest civil service in the best interest of their countrymen.

Lastly, shame on our President for supporting this movement for his own petty political gain. The “Leader of the Free World” should have paid more attention to “Wag the Dog”.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Hosebeast/100002095287763 Regina Hosebeast

“we brought down Richard Nixon and changed America’s thinking on Vietnam”.

Actually Richard Nixon brought Richard Nixon down, but about Vietnam, I agree. Our esteemed elected politicians should be required to study history, and our voting public needs to educate themselves before they vote.

That way we could hopefully never ever again put people like McNamara or Rumsfeld in positions of power again.

McNamara had us bomb targets that were totally destroyed over and over again.
Rumsfeld was just plain stupid and had his own agenda.

Our only hope of regaining prosperity again is electing the right people, and that is becoming more difficult with each passing year.
MyThoughts

1% rich, 1% occupiers and 98% of us who know we have to work hard to succeed and realize the other 2% are screwing us and know jack ____ ! The answer lies in the 98% saying enough is enough. The answer is a balance between taxes and cuts. No one should feel entitled to anything and all must accept that they have to do their part. Happiness will result from knowing our children, grand children and future generations are secure and dreams, rather than fear can guide us. Neither of the 2% have any direction to offer to accomplish this and us the 98% need to realize the 2% are the proverbial wolves in lambs clothing. Please, I ask each and every member of the 98% to reach out to each other with kindness, hope, and consideration. Together we can pull America’s boot straps up, separate we are no better than the 2% trying to destroy America. When’s the last time you asked your neighbor how life was? Reach out to someone on the street, at work, the store, anywhere and tell them we can succeed together. We must recreate the American Community before the 2% ruins it completely! Do not let others decide for us. We need the 98% to collectively identify and solve our problems to best meet the needs of the American Community. Enough is enough, stop the 2% and help the 98% succeed. Long live the 98% who love America!
MyThoughts

Be your voice in recreating the American Community. The 98% love America!
MyThoughts

Letting others speak for you without your input is akin to surrender. Be part of the 98% who are going to save America!
MyThoughts

Push LIKE to join the 98% who dislike the 1% occupier anarchists and 1% money changers.

The 98% love America!
Conrad Cook

I don’t know where you get that idea, Bill. Certainly not from anyone at camp.

There are indeed veterans. I’m not aware of any disabled or retired who live at camp.
Conrad Cook

I hear we’re anarchists and big-government liberals. Which is it?

Big government liberal anarchists?
MyThoughts

Your group and the people you claim to be outing are of the same guile. Both of you only care about yourselves and damn America. Well its time to put a stop to you and them and rebuild the American Community. A country for the people and of the people; no more cowering to the capitalistic extreme and definitely not to your socialistic crap! The 98% love America!
Conrad Cook

*correction to the article* Alba Briggs said that uprooting the camp would mean throwing away the last month of work we’ve put in. Not me.

I said that, yes, we may be the top-clicked story on the Bangor Daily website (partly no doubt because of all you beloved “Get A Job” trolls venting your spleens) — but we pull up our tents, we’re a flash in the pan and forgotten by Bangor.

America is sick. Terribly sick. It should be possible for a man making minimum wage to support a wife and three kids, without a dime of government assistance. We had that once. But now, minimum wage isn’t enough to support yourself.

We need to *push* American society off its present self-destructive course and onto a more reasonable one. This takes *time*. We *need* to keep at this.

Our white-collar organizational leaders, who put forth the proposal to pull up the camp, without actually *telling* anyone who lived at camp ahead of time, tell us maintaining the camp takes too much time, too much energy. Some of the ones saying this, like Valerie, really put their heart and soul into keeping the camp alive.

Other of those leaders, I can’t tell you what they do to keep camp running. Sunny once called the encampment the “heart and soul” of Bangor’s Occupy movement. Was up in arms when the city wanted us just to apply for a permit. Now she wants us shut down.What I said was, we decamp, and we become just another white-collar activist group doing deskwork and promotional stunts. Camping out in Maine weather *means* something, and this is what has the nice old women from the Peace and Justice center running scared. Trying to uproot our camp for our own good.

It’s amazing to me that we have to fight not only City Hall, but our own leadership to stay alive.
Anonymous

good riddance and dont let the door hit you on the way out.
Anonymous

i am a real disabled vet and i would never associate my self with those self serving anorchists.
Anonymous

Good- and when they leave the park should look better than it did when they arrived- why should the city have to pay to clean it up?
Conrad Cook

We’re not socialists. We’re against socialism. That’s why we got started. The bailout was socialism. That’s why we’re here.

-edit- But I thank you for the clarification: we’re big government anarchist socialists.
Anonymous

The Occupiers will be back with some more outrageous publicity stunts next springs after they spend the winter occupying mom’s basement and hitting the hookah.
Anonymous

Push like if you think the publicity the Bangor Daily News gave the occupiers was inversely proportional to their actual size and accomplishments.
Conrad Cook

Oh, there are solutions. Naomi Wolf asked the Wall St. occupiers, and reported:

The mainstream media was declaring continually “OWS has no message”. Frustrated, I simply asked them. I began soliciting online “What is ityou want?” answers from Occupy. In the first 15 minutes, I received 100 answers. These were truly eye-opening.

The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process.

No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act –the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.

No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves areinvestors.

Mine are somewhat different from that. I just want a living wage for the man on the street: the ability to provide for a wife and kids without a dime of government handouts.
Anonymous

Notice how its now the 98% with these guys. They can’t even decide on what percentage the bad guys are. Go Occupy a job!
Anonymous

Free Lynnl4!
MyThoughts

A movement for the people involves the people, not a rag tag band of misfits telling the 98% what is good for them. The only way to rebuild the American Community is through collective discussion of give take involving the 98%. Occupiers are just the other end of the spectrum from the the extreme capitalists. Stop the misguided 2% before it is to late. The 98% love America.
Anonymous

I think three of them are actually reporters. So cut the size of this group in half Bill.
Anonymous

Yeah, that’s why Spruce was on here yesterday saying that Occupy wants nationalized healthcare on the Canadian model. You guys have been unmasked by your own supporters as socialists.
Conrad Cook

Sounds like you want to create your own movement there.

But are you willing to camp out for it?
MyThoughts

The bad guys are the 1% money changers and 1% anarchist occupiers. But obviously you relate more to them since you don’t feel part of the 98% who collectively want to save America.
Conrad Cook

I voted for Obama. I heard his “Main St., not Wall St.” speech.

But what has he gotten done? Are the banks any less crooked? The Fed any less corrupt? Is Congress playing it straight with the American public?

All of that bailout money that was sold to the public as what would allow banks to provide credit to the man on the street. Provide liquidity. Ensure credit. Avoid financial gridlock and the resulting economic death spiral. (That’s a technical term.)

ALL of that bailout money was funneled direct into the pockets of the ultra-wealthy. By millionaire CEOs. This was a bad business decision that hurt their own companies, besides the rest of us plenty. For this, those CEOs got paid million dollar bonuses.

That’s socialism. That’s the ugly beast itself. It’s exactly the way business was done in the USSR.

What has Obama done about this? — I’m serious: someone tell me. I’d like to find he’s working on it.
Conrad Cook

We want access to doctors, anyway. There was a time when a man could afford to pay a doctor out of his own pocket.

Something’s got to change here.
MyThoughts

The problem is the 1% Occupiers only have individual agendas. They are just as bad as the 1% money changers; I know what is good for you because it is definitely good for me. Laugh in the face of the 2% and tell them I am part of the 98% who care about each, want collective agreement and love America.
Conrad Cook

This is not a laughing matter.
Anonymous

what have they been waiting for this bunch of vagabonds and morons should have been shown the door the first week they showed up ,its an absolute disgrace what they have done to that parkand ha snothign to do with free speech.,
MyThoughts

Sir, change doesn’t evolve from camping out. Change evolves from a collective voice seeking what is good for everyone. We need to balance taxes and entitlements to give everyone a chance. No one should rest until the basic needs of their neighbor are met and vice versa. You can remodel with a sledge hammer but starting with a well thought out plan telling you where to hit is better.

I see similarities in our personal hopes but that doesn’t make them right for everyone. If everyone posting would make positive recommendations and respond with positive criticism the 98% could start finding a collective understanding.

Until the occupiers realize camping out and beating drums make them look foolish and dependent on handouts they will not get any support, even for a good idea.

Good luck with the frostbite! The 98% love America.
Conrad Cook

It’s not the size. It’s the passion.
MyThoughts

The laughing matter are the joke called Occupiers. They are part of the problem not the solution. The 98% love America.
Anonymous

But I keep hearing that OWS is a widespread movement with broad support…. have we been misled?
Anonymous

This is the big Changes that the big guy in DC promised if he got elected.
Anonymous

You are as bright as a burnt out light bulb !!
Anonymous

Get rid of the politically corrupt on Wall Street by not buying imported goods. Get rid of the corrupt politicians by making them take a polygraph test weekly. Then see how many them of are willing to run for office or from office!
Conrad Cook

No, no… no sledgehammer involved. Occupy is a peaceful protest movement. Certainly Occupy Bangor is.

We camp out because we want to prove something. We want to prove that we’re committed. We want to prove we’re *not* in this for selfish reasons.

We want to prove that we’re about more than writing snarky inet posts from the comfort and warmth of our apartment.

That’s why we’re camping out.
Anonymous

Now there is an effective political tactic. Camping out!! I bet business people are just shaking in their boots at the prospect of 7 campers in Bangor instead of your nightly six. I can see it now. The media will be out saying the Occupy support has grown by 16% overnight!!! What ever shall will we do???
luvGSD

You guys are awesome no matter what you decide. Thank you for changing the conversation and doing all the heavy lifting.
Anonymous

Here’s a poll showing that about 1 in 3 people support OWS, and that, recently, OWS was more popular than the Tea Party (though both OWS and Tea Party are losing numbers).

Even more interesting, the overwhelming majority of Americans support higher taxes on the wealthy:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-favor-fading.html
———————–

I don’t think the bad poll numbers for Occupy Wall Street reflect
Americans being unconcerned with wealth inequality. Polling we did in
some key swing states earlier this year found overwhelming support for raising taxes on people who make over $150,000 a year. In late September we found that 73% of voters supported the ‘Buffett rule’ with only 16% opposed. And in October we found that Senators resistant to raising taxes on those who make more than a million dollars a year could pay a price at the polls. I don’t think any of that has changed- what the downturn in Occupy Wall Street’s image suggests is that voters are seeing the movement as more about the ‘Occupy’ than the ‘Wall Street.’ The controversy over the protests is starting to drown out the actual message.
Anonymous

I’m getting very tired of the occupy “protestors.” They keep saying that they have the right to built their shantys on public property based on the first amendment. Here is the first amendment as it is written:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

No where does it say that people are allowed to squat wherever and whenever they want. If they want to protest, that’s fine. However, they can wake up, protest all day, then go home. I went passed the Bangor occupy camp, and witnessed a protestor urinating openly on a bush in front of passing children and other citizens. Another was taking a pretty man-sized hit of his bong. Wow these guys are really changing minds and making change.

I’m also wondering if the “occupiers” had a burn permit for their fires. are they going to be billed for the damage they have caused in ther park?
Anonymous

So true, and the right thing to do doesn’t depend on how many people think it is the right thing to do.
Anonymous

The overwhelming majority of Americans want higher taxes on the rich:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-favor-fading.html

OWS has done amazing things, for instance drawing attention to the corruption at the top. It is going to continue as a major force, though, in my opinion, should expand to include not only continuous free speech in public forums but also direct action and protest, such as standing in front of banks and Blaine Houses. It should run candidates, too.
Anonymous

The Occupy Bangor camp looks like a homeless camp. A bunch of people just sitting around, sleeping, waiting for a handout from the real 99%
Anonymous

Look at all the prosecution of Wall Street bankers. The latest is that a judge threw out a settlement between Citibank and the SEC, because it was too lenient on Citibank, letting them get away with horrible crime and only a slap on the wrist:

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/11/28/business/business-us-citigroup-sec.html

More Wall Street crimes, even Fox News is jumping on the bandwagon, because Wall Street stole from veterans:

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/a-stunning-fall-from-grace-for-a-star-executive/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048914/Raj-Rajaratnam-convicted-Wall-Streets-biggest-insider-trading-scandal-jailed.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/05/lawsuit-claims-banks-cheated-veterans-on-mortgage-loan-fees/
Anonymous

Look at this, a judge just threw out the settlement between the SEC and Citibank, because it let Citibank get away with horrible fraud against the people of America:

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/11/28/business/business-us-citigroup-sec.html
Anonymous

Look at this, billionaire Wall Street banker convicted for helping defraud the American people in 2008:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048914/Raj-Rajaratnam-convicted-Wall-Streets-biggest-insider-trading-scandal-jailed.html
Anonymous

You don’t understand your own source.
“But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy
Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip
from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question.”

But it is understandable that you might not get it. That sentence was poorly worded.
Just to be clear the Tea Party is 42-39 favorable/unfavorable and OWS is 35-43 when the question is worded differently.

Since the initial poll in October the OWS have been losing support in every subsequent poll.
Anonymous

I don’t see any arguments or references in your angry opinion.

Did you know that the happiest countries in the world, according to Forbes, are all combinations of capitalism and socialism:

Tax the rich!

—————-

[The happiest countries] are all borderline socialist states, with generous welfare benefits and lots of redistribution of wealth.

http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/19/norway-denmark-finland-business-washington-world-happiest-countries_print.html
Robert Gallant

They all need to go!
Anonymous

Do you think there is corruption at the top in this country?
Robert Gallant

You and you damn polls! Get over it. I have not seen 1 in 3 support. Get a clue and tell your liberal buddies to get the hell out of my city!
Anonymous

So you think the “money changers” at the top are “bad guys” and yet you’re attacking OWS because they are pointing this out?
Anonymous

Actually, Canada has a thriving capitalist market system. And they have plenty of private property. In socialism, there is no private property, right?
MyThoughts

If you want to solve social problems here is what you do:

1. Ditch the Occupier title and become Facilitators.
2. Be determined to speak for the 98% and not yourself.
3. Recruit fellow Facilitators from all walks of life.
4. Teach everyone what a Facilitator is and how to ask non-bias questions and most importantly how to listen.
5. Start with Maine before going national.
6. Send teams of Facilitators to every Maine community to find out what the needs, wants and desires of each Mainer are. Hold mass meetings, ask the individual in the street, etc. but get a broad spectrum of information.
7. Meet as a group and review the information developing a draft manifesto.
8. Return teams to the communities to review the draft and get info. Listen.
9. Revise the manifesto.
10. Put the collectively agreed to manifesto to work.

With the support of the 98% you could rebuilt the American Community. Occupiers are part of the problem not the solution. I hope you present this at the next meeting to see who wants to ditch their personal agenda and find solutions.

The 98% love America.
Anonymous

You’re not going to get validation in here–only taunts and cruelty. But it is a forum that is read by undecided thinkers, and you can get your message out–but it is very difficult not to get drawn into the hate.

You’ve done something great, by the way, and if even a handful of people persevere in Bangor, it could continue to generate a lot of attention. There are, of course, many other very powerful modes of protest and civil disobedience, as with the Blaine House.
Anonymous

Do you ever state an argument or give a reference, or are you just a mouthpiece for a blurb?

Did you know that the rich have tripled their wealth while the rest of us sink and 50 million Americans can’t afford a doctor?

Our country is sick–what are you doing to help?
MyThoughts

The end as we know it!
MyThoughts

If you want to solve social problems here is what you do:

1. Ditch the Occupier title and become Facilitators.
2. Be determined to speak for the 98% and not yourself.
3. Recruit fellow Facilitators from all walks of life.
4. Teach everyone what a Facilitator is and how to ask non-bias questions and most importantly how to listen.
5. Start with Maine before going national.
6. Send teams of Facilitators to every Maine community to find out what
the needs, wants and desires of each Mainer are. Hold mass meetings,
ask the individual in the street, etc. but get a broad spectrum of
information.
7. Meet as a group and review the information developing a draft manifesto.
8. Return teams to the communities to review the draft and get info. Listen.
9. Revise the manifesto.
10. Put the collectively agreed to manifesto to work.

With the support of the 98% you could rebuilt the American Community.

Occupiers are part of the problem not the solution. I hope you present
this at the next meeting to see who wants to ditch their personal agenda
and find solutions.

The 98% love America.
Anonymous

In its two months, OWS has achieved worldwide attention and a strong presence in newspapers, TV and other media–by camping out.

Very impressive, and shows what ‘camping out’ can do.
Anonymous

Did you know that 400 billionaires currently own as much wealth as the bottom 50% of Americans.
Anonymous

I never followed your link before but it took about two minutes to see you have a reading comprehension problem. First in how you read a poll and then how you read the Forbes article. This is too much misunderstanding to to correct it just isn’t worth my trouble.

BTW have you figured out the difference between content from an aggregators sources and the editorial policies of the aggregator themselves?
MyThoughts

Yes, because they are part of the problem, not the solution. Open your eyes and think beyond your personal space. You are one person and only speak for you. The 98% want collective answers that help rebuilt the American Community, not the thoughts of the 2% out for themselves. Occupiers crave media attention for themselves not the 98% of America wanting a better life. The 98% love America.
Anonymous

Temper, temper. A valid poll has much more clout than your ranted opinion, whether you admit it, or not.

Did you know that the US currently has the same wealth-distribution pattern as a 3rd world dictatorship?
MyThoughts

Once again look beyond your personal space and reread my posts carefully you will find the answer. Anger and personal anointing will not solve anything. The 98% don’t disagree with everything you’re saying, but how you say it and that you are conceited enough to believe you are saying it for us. The 98% love America.
Anonymous

**reach out to each other with kindness, hope, and consideration**
Unless, of course, you disagree with someone…then you can call them names and refer to their beliefs as “crap.” Your “lofty thoughts” are not worth a plug nickel because you apply them only to those who agree with you. You are no different from any other “%” you can divide this world into.
Anonymous

You just can’t help but be rude, can you? I apologize to any undecided readers for having to put up with such a lack of professionalism.

Now,

The poll says that Americans overwhelmingly support taxing the rich, right?

The poll says that 1 in 3 Americans support OWS, right?

I invite everyone who reads this to go look at the poll for themselves. Don’t trust what I say, or what my rude opponent says.
MyThoughts

False; many socialist and communist countries allow private property. Look at China and Cuba as two examples. You need to educate yourself before discussing things. The 98% love America.
MyThoughts

Once again look beyond your personal space and reread my posts carefully
you will find the answer. Anger and personal anointing will not solve
anything. The 98% don’t disagree with everything you’re saying, but how
you say it and that you are conceited enough to believe you are saying
it for us. The 98% love America.
Anonymous

Right off, #2, you won’t get any agreement. What is simply true is that this country has been dominated by greed and corruption at the top. That’s what we need to change.
Anonymous

I think you made your point….the “98% love America.” Your 98% paintbrush is a bit too wide for the wall…..97.5% of your 98% are looking out for themselves, pushing their own agenda, doing their mighty part to DESTROY America (what percent of your 98% were at WalMart last Friday, buying up everything China can dish out???). Your patriotic clothing is made of the same lambswool you so comically deride above.
Anonymous

So rude …

Anyway, your entire post is opinion, jargon and obfuscation. I invite readers to check my links for themselves.

Did you know that Canada, for example, is thriving economically as a market economy, even though some people in here call it “socialist”?
Anonymous

Get it straight, mainer4ever, the “lofty thoughts-America-loving” poster is in a DIFFERENT 98% than the 99% Occupiers. So far, according to my computations, we have a 53%, a 99%, a 98%, a 1%….so this country is comprised of 251% of people who all think they, individually, have the answer to everything. Man, with numbers that high, shouldn’t we be coming up with some grand solutions???
MyThoughts

You just don’t get it, change comes from the masses not campers unwilling to get a permit. The 98% view you as freeloaders not the saviors you anointed yourselves as. The 98% love America.
Anonymous

” It should be possible for a man making minimum wage to support a wife and three kids”. Says who CC? Once again, you do your movement a disservice by spouting nonsense like that. We all wonder if you have any sense at all when you say such ridiculous things. The Dumbing Down of America incarnate.
Anonymous

Not only that, the poster is ignoring all the convictions and
litigations coming out against Wall Street for what it did in 2008.

Here are some:

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/11/28/business/business-us-citigroup-sec.html

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/a-stunning-fall-from-grace-for-a-star-executive/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048914/Raj-Rajaratnam-convicted-Wall-Streets-biggest-insider-trading-scandal-jailed.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/05/lawsuit-claims-banks-cheated-veterans-on-mortgage-loan-fees/
Anonymous

Don’t you get it, social movements bring change, not “the masses.” When Martin Luther King Jr. started out, the masses were not on his side. You have to wake up the masses and mobilize them, which starts with small social movements.

OWS has done a great deal already. you are spending your valuable time here. They have a lot more potential.
MyThoughts

I have previously stated that not everything I want, you want or any other individual wants is the answer. The 98% need to find a collective answer. We will all need to sacrifice if we expect the American Community to succeed and future generations to have opportunities.

You are right I do not agree with how the Occupiers present themselves, nor everything they say, but there are things they have put forth that are important considerations.

Maybe I am not different but I am proposing that we all come together rather than be driven apart by a small fraction of others.

The 98% want balanced solutions for the good of all Americans.
Anonymous

You keep talking about the 98% as if they were a homogeneous group. But you’re talking Republicans v Democrats, two very different worldviews.

Go on, say something to me that represents the 98%. It’s your grandiose plan. Go on. I’m waiting.
Anonymous

Look, you agree that there is massive corruption at the top. Convince others. Convince those in this forum who don’t believe it.
Anonymous

Interesting, socialism can involve private property. Well, Canada has private corporations and in socialism, there are no private corporations, right?
Anonymous

**reach out to each other with kindness, hope, and consideration**
and call your neighbors a “ragtag band of misfits,” “misguided,” “foolish,” “bad”……….
What you don’t get, Lofty, is that Occupy HAS been a “movement for the people” involving people…..thus the public presence, the general assemblies during which EVERYONE gets to voice their opinions and concerns, the information booths, the effort to disseminate facts about the economy, the political machine, the failings of the current system. Maybe you should have stopped by the site to offer some of your opinions and suggestions….you know, help make it “a movement for the people.”
Try walking your talk…..and don’t call me a “ragtag…misfit”…..I am 64 years old, the mother of five children, the grandmother of five, work a 40-hour week, vote in every election, volunteers my time and money to worthwhile causes, and DO NOT buy cheap crap that represents the loss of American jobs (cause I love America).
Anonymous

You sound like you’re messiah. You have all the answers. No references, no arguments, nothing but a lot of talk. Produce something.
Anonymous

So, your view is that the “money changers” don’t love America, and OWS doesn’t love America, and everyone else is united because they love America?
David Sturm

9 in 10 Americans support money for nothing, kicks for free, and access to MTV. The other one’s busy working his butt off in multiple jobs. Polls are all in how you ask the question.
MyThoughts

Throw some thoughts out there; start the ball rolling. Facilitate DogFreak and rebuild the America Community.
Anonymous

**you are conceited enough to believe you are saying it for us. The 98% love America**
HELLOOO?? We are “conceited” for saying we represent the 99% but you are NOT conceited for saying you represent the 98%???? Ummmmm….contradiction much? This is getting amusing!
Anonymous

Do you watch Fox; the unfair and unbalanced News?
MyThoughts

Yes there are. In reality all governments are a blend of capitalism and socialism.
David Sturm

Dr. King was certainly no saint. And he was not the ‘pope’ of the civil rights movement. By acting like he did it all by himself, is to completely ignore the long history of removing race bias in America.
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The movement was held back by almost 90 years of Democrat obstruction. Only by 1971 with a pre-Watergate Nixon, a true supporter of Civil Rights based on his Quaker upbringing and yet to take his great fall, were the Democrat obstructionists overcome. That was the fulfillment of the Abolitionist movement, which gave birth the Republican party, the party opposed to slavery, servitude, and inequality.
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OWS has done quite a lot yes. They’ve made it all about who-has-the-money. A shame there’s not a whiff of hard work, responsibility, and concern for small family business in any of it.
MyThoughts

I don’t need to, people need to come together and find collective answers. What I want as any other individual is not necessarily the best for the American Community. I am willing to sacrifice some of my wants to help others meet their needs.
Anonymous

Go back to your own country, before you tell anybody to get to hell out of your city !
Anonymous

Like the Roman Empire, as it declined, we have decadence and also vast corruption at the top.
David Sturm

The 98% knows the lyrics to God Bless America, and means them.
MyThoughts

No I am saying the 98% need to unite and find a collective voice and quit being told by the other 2% what to do.

The 98% love America.
David Sturm

That’s why Term Limits is such an excellent idea. Actually, The Lottery is an even grander idea. Random citizens are chosen each year to sit in the state and federal legislatures, and then are dismissed after doing one year’s time. Or they’re stoned. Not sure which kind of stoned you’d prefer though.
David Sturm

Nazi (“National Socialist”) Germany was a government-directed system with private corporations, and socialist control of all institutions. Although I prefer to lump all forms of socialism into “so shall” ism: So Shall Ye Do What I Say.
Anonymous

But you don’t know what it means. …. You do not sound like you understand the trade-off between market principals and government involvement and taxes.

A quick example and then I’m out. The government of Canada is full square behind oil development and associated technologies and they trade that for a vibrant economy and tax revenue. The US expects to take a higher percentage of the profits in tax AND won’t allow exploration and new oil development. Therefore
You can’t have it all ways high taxes and overly restricting regulations and a vibrant economy. If you think you can you end up with a moribund economy and morons sleeping in the park. Sweden Norway and all those countries have a freer market system than we do…..

Like I said you don’t understand what you read.
MyThoughts

Who anointed the Occupiers? The Occupiers did. You can’t decide the needs, wants and desires of society without first asking. All you do is tell and I do not consider that neighborly or caring. Anger also is not an answer, civil discourse with the masses is. Your movement is as much a part of the problem as the 1% you detest. Beware of wolves in lamb clothing.

The American Community needs Facilitators not Dictators!
David Sturm

I own about nothing, and I am wealthier than any billionaire. You don’t understand that, do you.
Anonymous

There’s a holiday for MLK for a reason. I never said he was solely responsible, did I? Thanks for pointing out how different the Republican party is today than in the past. A sad decline. They don’t even believe in evolution.
David Sturm

Thank you, sir, for your service!
Anonymous

Yeah, it’s getting cold, time to go. What was the point anyway?
David Sturm

Ummm, replace “OWS” with “The 9/11 hijackers” and paraphrase what you wrote.
MyThoughts

I never said I represent the 98%; I said I was part of it and willing to concede some of my wants to meet their needs. Please review your reading comprehension skills. The 98% love America.
Anonymous

Thanks for pointing out that Canada is a mixed economy, part socialism and part capitalism. People that point at Canada and say “socialism” to condemn it are just wrong.

Great point! No wonder Forbes Magazine praised Canada and its “generous welfare benefits and lots of redistribution of
wealth.”

http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/19/norway-denmark-finland-business-washington-world-happiest-countries_print.html
Anonymous

Those pols are a bunch of crap. Did they ask everyone in the counrty? (I think not).
Anonymous

You’re very hostile, aren’t you? Again, I apologize for all undecided readers. I would prefer professionalism. Anyway:

Thanks for pointing out that Canada is a mixed economy, part socialism and part capitalism. People that point at Canada and say “socialism” to condemn it are just wrong, aren’t they?

No wonder Forbes Magazine praised Canada, saying it was one of the happiest countries in the world. They also praised its “generous welfare benefits and lots of redistribution of wealth.”

http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/19/norway-denmark-finland-business-washington-world-happiest-countries_print.html
David Sturm

You brought down Nixon? What are you smoking. Nixon was brought down by his own hubris. If he’d listened to Kissinger and to his Attorney General, he would have had Haldeman and Ehrlichman thrown out on their arses, prosecuted for their crimes, and never even had a thought of sweeping Watergate under the rug.
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If he’d done that instead, he would have served eight years, and be remembered as a great president for pushing the anti-civil-rights Democrats out of control of Congress, getting us out of Vietnam, opening a door to China, and making the world a better place.
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OWS missed their opportunity to make it about having the “99%” pull all their funds out of major banks and reinvesting in local banks and credit unions. That would have been a focused change that would have been a point to make.
David Sturm

He got a lot of golf in over this past weekend. He’s good with Occupy Fairways.
David Sturm

Community Organizing.
David Sturm

December 21, 2012.
David Sturm

And an infestation of barbarous Germanic tribes, smaller family sizes, depressed agriculture, and difficulties in running a coherent national government in an era where communication moves at the speed of sandal and hoof? This isn’t the Roman Empire, that’s a ridiculous comparison. But I agree, the Madoffs and the Soroses of the world… corrupt, decadent, Democrat.
Anonymous

Everyone in here is aggressive and rude. Not very Daoist, is it?

“When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you.”

Lao-Tzu
kcjonez

How many of them know it was written by a Jewish immigrant?
Anonymous

“But I keep hearing that OWS is a widespread movement with broad support…. have we been misled? ”

Well yes, you have been misled, for years.
Are you lost now ?
If you do not like the OWS way, please do, find your own way,
but remember who has really been misleading you .
Anonymous

A lot of intelligent people make the comparison. It’s arrogant of you to dismiss similarities in social pattern based on differing technologies. Try “The Sorrows of Empire” by Chalmers Johnson.
Anonymous

A lot of intelligent people make the comparison. It’s arrogant of you to dismiss similarities in social pattern based on differing technologies. Try “The Sorrows of Empire” by Chalmers Johnson.

You left out a crucial part: Roman transitioned from a Republic to a military dictatorship, a very damaging blow to their adaptability.
Anonymous

Camping out is not terrorist. Therefore your attempt at analogy dismally fails. Dismally.
Anonymous

So call a meeting of your friends and get started.

Call your core group your affinity groups.

Good luck, and if you don’t do it,
who do you think will, big government and big corporations ?
http://www.facebook.com/people/Todd-Foster/686645014 Todd Foster

I don’t trust any “valid polls” for one reason. The first thing you learn in a statistics class is you can make a study/poll say whatever you want.
kcjonez

If having a universal health care system makes a country socialist, then by definition you are saying that these countries are all socialist–Australia, Austria, Bahrain, Britain, Brunei, Canada, Hong Kong, Ireland, Israel, Japan, Kuwait, Singapore, Slovenia, South Korea, UAE

btw–they all(and many more) have better health care per dollar systems than we do.
Anonymous

I even took the time to explain it to you and you missed it. You simply pick one aspect without acknowledging the trade-off . Then say See….. See…. You don’t understand what you read and have pointed other folks to for months.
Anonymous

Spruce Dweller, while you have a right to be or say whatever you want, if you think of yourself as an organizer, then shut up.

You just made all the arguments for why you should, yourself.

Unless you think you have a stake in the leadership of the whole movement, and he is a threat to you, you should be encourage Mr. Thoughts vision;

“If you want to solve social problems here is what you do:

1. Ditch the Occupier title and become Facilitators.
2. Be determined to speak for the 98% and not yourself.
3. Recruit fellow Facilitators from all walks of life.
4. Teach everyone what a Facilitator is and how to ask non-bias questions and most importantly how to listen.
5. Start with Maine before going national.
6. Send teams of Facilitators to every Maine community to find out what
the needs, wants and desires of each Mainer are. Hold mass meetings,
ask the individual in the street, etc. but get a broad spectrum of
information.
7. Meet as a group and review the information developing a draft manifesto.
8. Return teams to the communities to review the draft and get info. Listen.
9. Revise the manifesto.
10. Put the collectively agreed to manifesto to work.”

Then as you move on to do your own work, remember this and his commitment to support these goals.

You can refer others to him, and ask for their support with any direct action that you can suggest supports these goals. .

In a word it is “coalition” building.
How else do think it is ever done ?
Anonymous

That is a Irving Berlin show tune that got cut .
It is rip off of a Yiddish vaudeville song;
” When Mose with His Nose Leads the Band”, with new words.
It was dusted off, and recycled for Hollywood’s war effort at the beginning of WWII.

So it is sort of a mixed message at best.

But here is one , … a real American grassroots song, that I think real Americans should all know;

http://youtu.be/fhw5qiwvM2A
Anonymous

Oh man he said it on T.V. so it must be true, he had no reason when he started his campaign before this movement started to run for office.
Anonymous

Does anyone remember the letter he wrote to his kids stating that he was running for office for his kids future, and the future of the nations children (probably a campaign stunt). You could construe that as being because of the movement but considering the timeline from when he was elected to the movement starting, un-likely. Why does anyone really run for political office, to make a change, the “prestige” that comes with the position, create a legacy and be remembered for what you did.
Anonymous

>>I’m also wondering if the “occupiers” had a burn permit for their fires.
are they going to be billed for the damage they have caused in ther
park?<<

Indeed. That park was a nice place to take my kids after a visit to the library. Seeing it turned into a squatter's village has been discouraging, to say the least. It's time for the city to end this ridiculous spectacle.
Anonymous

> “have we been misled?”
> “Do you watch Fox; the unfair and unbalanced News?”

Priceless.
Anonymous

Got you talking now didn’t it?
Anonymous

Clean up day today. Have been several. I bagged leaves myself. Surprisingly little litter in what was raked up. Imagine! Have saved the taxpayers some money as parks and rec did not have to do any fall raking.
Anonymous

Not going anywhere. If the tents go, we stay.
Anonymous

You disagree with that ‘should’? Public assistance wages are okay with you? More corporate welfare? They supress wages so the taxpayer has to pick up the slack. Even two parents working at minimum wage cannot support a family. A living wage for a family of four in Penobscot County is $27.45. That is just making ends meet.
Liberal Soup N Crackers

America is sick. Terribly sick. It should be possible for a man making minimum wage to support a wife and three kids, without a dime of government assistance. We had that once. But now, minimum wage isn’t enough to support yourself.
You can do it with beans, potatoes and a shanty … hut hut, quickly.
Anonymous

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” M. Mead

You would not have even made that comment were it not for Occupy. Glad you woke up and saw the need for a conversation. Turning this American Tragedy into the American Dream once again is what this movement is all about.
Anonymous

could be the 23rd
Anonymous

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” M. Mead

Do you agree or disagree with the points of consensus listed at http://www.occupybangor.org ? Take a look and come back with some thoughtful comments. Either you are part of the problem or part of the solution. Do you shop at Walmart? Case closed.
Anonymous

You pose a thoughtful perspective, but I would like to add that this has nothing to do with camping per se or drumming. It is about gathering people together for a conversation. The very thing you advocate. It is happening here, at Pierce Park, in cities all over this country and in homes. Occupy made all that happen. Quite an achievement I think. Now let’s get the job done! Together!
Anonymous

Hong Kong is not a country, it’s a special administrative district or state or something like that. Better health care in someways, in others not so much, they have many people waiting for care that is critical that many people travel great distances or to other countries in certain cases. Now if you’ve got something simple to take care of than it’s all good in the neighborhood, but hope you are near the top of the list for something serious. ( I have family over seas)
Anonymous

Those are great ideas. Thanks for sharing them. The group is new and will develop strategies that move us forward. You may have contributed to that. Thank you for your thoughtful response. The only word I would change is manifesto. Has too much of a you know what kind of ring to it. But Points of Consensus would substitute nicely.
Anonymous

Got you talking now didn’t it?
Anonymous

And you have handed them what? Think they are taking care of themselves/each other without your help, thank you very much. Kind of like what the Occupy movement is all about, don’t you think? America no longer wants to support those who steal from taxpayers or those who maintain the allusion that this is the land of opportunity. People losing jobs and homes and retirement savings is An American Tragedy.
MyThoughts

I didn’t just wake up. I have been conversing my whole life and always question the motives of those telling me what is best. Discuss and persuade me but never tell me what is best for me.

The 98% love America.
Anonymous

Actually, with what the younger generation is thinking about the American Dream, you’ve got it backwards. Your ”movement” wants to turn the American Dream into the American Tragedy.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-friends/index.html#/v/1300268927001/will-generation-gimme-work-for-the-american-dream/?playlist_id=86912

And if you think I give a damn about any forthcoming disparaging comments with regard to the fact that the professor was interviewed on the dreaded Fox News channel, you’re wrong. Certainly you wouldn’t be afraid to give it a listen, would it?
MyThoughts

The camping comes right from an occupier questioning my sincerity. Conversation is not started by civil disobedience it is started by civil discourse. Just the word occupier has enough negative connotations to turn people off. The Nazis occupied other countries and killed those they wanted to. Become facilitators rather than occupying dictators and then we can talk.

The 98% want to rebuild the American Community!
http://twitter.com/z_gryphon Ben Hutchins

“‘We may not have to be limited to all-or-nothing thinking,’ Carter said.”

I’m not sure they have this whole “angry grassroots protest” thing fully on board.
Anonymous

I hope they continue through the winter just to see your temper flare more
Anonymous

Keep going occupiers, fight it
Anonymous

Another empty observation from the “gimme” generation.
valgal10

SpruceDweller…. I think you “Occupy” BDN website….get a life or a job….
Anonymous

You got it big girl I’m ready to rumble

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Anonymous

Your good to go OWS for this winter. Hang in there. Practice your non verbal skill on how you
will communicate with Maine’s Four Horseman of the Apocalypse SNOWE COLLINS MICHAUD PINGREE
This just in from the Past the Point of No Return Weather Bureau…
see link for full Weather Holocaust
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/11/29/international/i005702S46.DTL&tsp=1

World temps maintain the heat of global warming

By ARTHUR MAX,

Tuesday, November 29, 2011

Schalk van Zuydam / AP

A worker pulls a refuse bin as he and others
clean up the beach area in Durban, South Africa, Tuesday, Nov 29, 2011.
The U.N. weather office says world temperatures maintained a long-term
upward trend and Arctic sea ice shrank to record low volumes this year.
The report by the International Meteorological Organization, released in
Geneva and at the U.N. climate talks Tuesday, provided a bleak backdrop
to negotiators seeking ways to limit pollution blamed for global
warming.

World temperatures keep rising, and are heading for a threshold that
could lead to irreversible changes of the Earth, the U.N. weather office
said Tuesday.

2011 is tied for the 10th hottest year since records began in 1850,
the office said in its annual assessment of average global temperatures.
The Arctic sea ice has also shrunk to record-low volumes this year, it
said. The 13 hottest years on the books all have occurred in the last 15
years.

“The science is solid and proves unequivocally that the world is
warming,” said R.D.J. Lengoasa, deputy director of the International
Meteorological Organization, and human activity is a significant
contributor.

“Climate change is real, and we are already observing its
manifestations in weather and climate patterns around the world,” he
said on the sidelines of the U.N. climate conference under way in South
Africa.

The IMO’s preliminary report, based on the first 10 months of the
year, was released in Geneva and at the U.N. climate talks in South
Africa. It provided a bleak backdrop to negotiators who are seeking ways
to limit pollution blamed for global warming.

2011 has been a year of extreme weather, the weather service said.
Parching drought in East Africa has left tens of thousands dead, and
there have been deadly floods in Asia, and 14 separate weather
catastrophes in the United States with damage topping $1 billion each.

Climate negotiators have set a goal of keeping temperatures from
rising more than 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees Celsius) above
preindustrial levels. They already are 1.4 F (0.8 C) above the 1750
average.
Anonymous

That’s what she said.
Anonymous

That’s what she said.
Anonymous

China is thriving too, but I would not want to live there! I remember their own students dying for democracy in the square—
Anonymous

Someone must be paying for their existance. Seems to me that if they are “occupying” they’re not working. Who pays for their food, cigarettes, marijuana, etc..? Like I said before, waiting for a handout from the real 99%
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UW2C4MKB5KH3FD7C4MZHOOI3TY Jane

SpruceDweller, it seems that YOU were the person who named “MyThoughts” as the messiah. If you go back and read her/her comments you will see that there is some truth to their posts. In fact you even said you agreed earlier.
It seems to be that you have been sitting by a computer replying to every post possible. If you feel it is so necessary to defend yourself to a majority of people on this page doesn’t that mean that a majority of people don’t agree in the “movement?”
The way the news has reported several times that a majority of your members are homeless. I understand that everyone is going to have hard times, and for some it means they end up on the street but if it is all of them saying they are being taxed too much how does it even make sense – THEY ARE NOT WORKING. Seems to me they are living off of our tax dollars.
I work downtown, and honestly feel nervous walking by your crowd. You are making Bangor look like a slum. Why don’t you and your friends continue to work like the other 98%. We are not saying that protesting isn’t meaningful – it is, and I’m glad we have a right to do so in our country and I’m glad that some people take advantage of it but don’t you think you’ve done enough? I’m a student at a local college, working two jobs and barely sliding by to pay rent, but the difference with me is that I continue to work my butt off to make rent and buy groceries. I’m not throwing my arms up and saying “why bother?” The world is not going to bend over backwards to give you your tax money back because you don’t “feel like things are fair.” Like MyThoughts said the other 98% of us are trying.
FYI McDonalds is always hiring happy faces… at least it’s a start!
Anonymous

Take these chances

Place them in a box until a quieter time

Lights down, you up and die
Anonymous

Even Regina Hosebeast has gotten the OWS message.

So what is next ?

Don’t Mourn — Organize! Joe Hill

http://youtu.be/3p4vKd6tNO8
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UW2C4MKB5KH3FD7C4MZHOOI3TY Jane

I’m really not sure that Dave Matthews has a place in this conversation but I guess if thats all you can come up with then sure!
Robert Gallant

I am in my own country, and I fought for 13 years so these people have the right to do what there doing, however enough is enough. Get bent and take your liberal ideas somewhere else!
Robert Gallant

good i hope they freeze!
Robert Gallant

by the way, my temper is just fine. Can’t wait to see yours when they arrest everyone!
Robert Gallant

And do you have a life? you comment on every and i mean every post! Get your hippy loving rearend out of your parents basement and do something for a change!
Anonymous

“the 98% need to unite and find a collective voice ”
So why are still banging on the divisiveness drums and talking about wedge issues instead seeking areas of agreement ? First who do except to just give you what you what you say you want ?
Then, please show us what you have that 98% of us can agree to,
instead of worrying about the 2% you are afraid will not listen to you, okay ?

What is YOUR “manfesto”, that you expect will get 98% approval, exactly ?

Just one point that 98% of us, here, agree with
would be most welcomed and would go long way towards proving
you are not being unrealistic, MyThoughts.
Robert Gallant

Oh so massive! Really?
Anonymous

Have you nothing better to do than kvetch on the poor BDN stories?
Anonymous

Of course it says tax the rich, but what you fail to see is that its a stupid poll. It would be like asking everyone if they want to die. Proves nothing by way of sane economic policy. By the way, taxes aren’t the problem, spending is the problem.
Anonymous

Another kind of uninformed statement. We have huge amounts of corruption at the lower end, too. Are you totally uninformed or blind to reality?
Anonymous

Don’t your polls support it this time?
MyThoughts

You need to reread my posts. Once and for all I am proposing a way, not a solution, for the 98% who have had enough of the 1% anarchist occupiers and 1% money changers to collectively unite. The manifesto can only be written if the needs, wants and desires of the 98% are gleaned, discussed and agreed upon. Everyone in the 98% will have to sacrifice in order for this to work. The only one who is unrealistic are the misguided 2% who believe they can tell the 98% what is right and they will accept it. You can not anoint yourself as a leader you must lead through facilitation. The 98% love America.
Anonymous

To me you seem like a pest with an overactive imagination there, Rambo Jr.LOL..
Anonymous

Are you going to come back in the spring and reseed the lawns from where your tent and fire pit were? I’ve also been wondering who was paying for that Porta Potti next to the sidewalk….
PaulNotBunyan

Way too long – like the overwhelming majority of your posts.
Anonymous

Amen!
Anonymous

Boy, what an intelligent comment!!! So original too!!!
Anonymous

And aren’t you a nice sounding person!!
Anonymous

I saw the Wall Street Journal poll ( a conservative paper.) It did not show the tea party support as being that terrific…..it is losing some ground/support…..
Anonymous

I wouldn’t watch it even if we had cable…. I have seen it enough to know what it is like…will leave it for those who appreciate it!
Anonymous

LOL.
Anonymous

You cannot make this stuff up!
Anonymous

Oh my….we go to the library weekly and walk by there for other reasons sometimes. Not nervous at all. Not at all. The people camping there are very nice and friendly and not at all pushy. Now some of those peope shoving and pushing and acting so deplorably on Back Friday…that might make me “nervous.” All a matter of perspective…..
Anonymous

No need to be insulting and condescending sounding.
Anonymous

Well put.
Anonymous

“You need to reread my posts.”
Oh God, NOOOOO !.Y0u need to stop punishing people. You’re not going to be the fearless leader of the 98% that way.
Anonymous

Already planned for. OccupyBangor pays for the porta-potti? Quite a responsible group don’t you think?
Anonymous

Not if you would be willing to listen to this: http://www.commondreams.org/video/2011/11/19#.TtEpbUCYkOw.facebook Tag you’re it. Get back to me and I will do the unthinkable and watch something foxnews produced. Will have my ipecac handy. And, The American Tragedy is already here: lost jobs, lost homes, lost retirement savings, lost health care.
Anonymous

I can support that. You and only you can decide what is best for you. The kind of America I want to live in is not currently what the Walmart shopping ??% seem to desire. The success of this company alone is testimony to the vapid emptiness of the American psyche. If that is the America you love then you do already have what is best for you. It is not an America I want to live in. And, it is looking like some people are starting to agree that this is not the America they want. We will see what comes of it. It is we who have to change. To stay afloat ‘they’ will have to follow where we lead. I can only hope. It does look pretty bleak to me at this point.
Anonymous

Ahhhhhhhhhh, just finished watching your recommendation. Chuck is a very inspiring guy, no doubt about it. And he is 100% right on the moral front, those who benefit most from society should give back to society. BUT… The “patriotic millionaires” (actually billionaires) have every opportunity to give back both through charitable work (which most of them do), starting new enterprises and creating new jobs, and through directly donating to the federal treasury through pay.gov. And nothing is stopping them from making sure their money goes to charitable purposes, rather than their heirs, upon their death. The problem is that not all “millionaires” are in their lucky positions, some merely want to leave the family business to their children, some want to just hire a few more people. It’s the marginal entrepreneurs that would be sorely hit by the FORCED “share the wealth” mentality which assumes “one size fits all” categorical tax brackets…. no consideration of individual circumstances once the feds come after your money. And yes, the guy who was grateful for his local library will probably be inclined to give money to public libraries, where he can be sure that his money will NOT be going to senseless wars (which would be the case if the feds got their hands on it).

Now watch the FOX video which presents a slightly different topic, but does indeed relate to Chuck’s speech. All of the stories Chuck related were of people who grew up long before we became an entitlement society. Today’s younger generation does not feel that they should gratefully accept the generosity of their elders. Rather they feel that they are ENTITLED to benefits never before granted to those very people in Chuck’s stories, e.g., free college educations. This attitude is the very source of the fear and loathing that pervades much of the Occupy folks. Are we, as a society, continually entitled to more and more “stuff”? If so, where does it stop? My guess is the answer would be “when everyone has an equal amount of “stuff.” And that would kill the American Dream of making a better life for ourselves through our own hard work.
MyThoughts

Excuse me but the 98% say OWS is a LOL band of anarchists hell bent on destroying America just like the 1% money changers. The 98% love America.
MyThoughts

The 98% love America!
MyThoughts

Stop the 2% now – UNITE – the 98% will not be dictated to any longer!
MyThoughts

I am a Facilitator not a leader and just one of the 98% who have had enough of the 1% anarchist occupiers and 1% money changers. It is clear to me that you occupiers either don’t read before posting or need remedial reading comprehension. Please rest assured that when the 1% anarchist occupiers want to re-assimilate into society and be participants rather than dictators we will help you. The 98% love
America!
Anonymous

“Please rest assured that when the 1% anarchist occupiers want to re-assimilate into society … we will help you…”

If not, what is the final solution that you will facilitate, Pol Pot ?
Anonymous

“…so this country is comprised of 251% ”

That is explained by counting the inconsistent positions it takes to justify the fool’s delusions… like how the Americans sending our job offshore love America but hate American workers and like how they want waterfront property but to gut the EPA.
MyThoughts

A true anarchist occupier showing their guile against Americans. I disqusbites could care less about the 98% and their thoughts. I disqusbites and my fellow anti-Americans will handle it so we prosper with the 1% money changers. The 98% love America and do not need self serving, knowledgeable myopic anarchist helping us.
Anonymous

Eh?