State considers putting prisoners on Medicaid

Posted Nov. 27, 2011, at 2:49 p.m.
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Joseph Ponte
Michael C. York | BDN
Joseph Ponte

AUGUSTA, Maine — Medical care for inmates in the state’s correctional system is expensive and the state foots the bill, although a 1997 ruling by the federal government would allow some inmates that are hospitalized to get the mostly federally funded Medicaid program.

“To the best of my knowledge, it has never been done here in Maine,” said Corrections Commissioner Joe Ponte. “I don’t know why it has not been used even though it has been available to a limited number of inmates.”

The federal Department of Health and Human Services informed states in 1997 that inmates that leave prison facilities and are admitted to a hospital for more than 24 hours and meet the poverty and other state rules of Medicaid are eligible for coverage. The federal government pays for roughly two-thirds of Medicaid, with the state paying the rest.

“We don’t have that many cases where this would apply, but there are some,” Ponte said. “We also are limited in that the inmate has to agree to apply for the Medicaid and they certainly won’t always do that.”

He said the department is actively working to shift medical costs from the state where possible. He said a program in juvenile corrections requires parents of children in the two state facilities to continue to cover their child on their private health insurance while the child is in state custody.

“We are exploring if there are any situations in the adult side where inmates have private insurance and whether there is any thing we can do there,” he said.

Ponte said he is doing whatever he can to cut costs through policy changes. He said there are many examples of medical procedures covered in the past that no longer will be approved. He said a recent example was the case of an inmate in his 60s who wanted rotator cuff surgery even though his arm still had good movement. It was denied because it did not meet the “medically necessary” standard used by insurers.

“We have also lowered drug costs just by comparing to the national average,” Ponte said. For example, he said the state has been paying $35 for a psychotropic prescription when the national average cost of the drug was $8.

Ponte said his efforts are aimed at reducing state health costs for inmates until 2014, when the federal health care reform act will cover all inmates with incomes less than 133 percent of the federal poverty level.

“That’s 95 if not 99 percent of the inmates,” he said. “That will be a significant savings because it will cover all health care costs under Medicaid, not just the hospital part.”

Sen. Richard Rosen, R-Bucksport, is the co-chairman of the Appropriations Committee and has served several years on the panel while in the House and Senate. He was surprised that the federal government had allowed even limited Medicaid coverage for inmates and that the state had not explored that option years ago.

“It’s a question that those of us on the committee have repeatedly asked over the years, whether or not inmates are eligible and can receive services through the program. If there is an opportunity there, we should explore it,” he said.

Rosen said the fact that some level of coverage has been available since 1997 and that the state has not taken advantage of it is both surprising and troubling. Rep. Peggy Rotundo, D-Lewiston, the Democratic lead on the panel and a former co-chair of the committee, agreed.

“We certainly should be looking at this again,” she said. “This is something that some of us have been talking about for a long time.”

Rotundo said the Department of Corrections should also look at other ways to leverage federal funds to help pay for corrections costs. She said with a growing number of inmates reaching old age, there should be consideration of a nursing home-type facility to house elderly inmates.

“We are already looking at that,” Ponte said. “We are looking at doing a lot of things differently.”

Rosen said the issue is sure to come up as lawmakers consider a supplemental state budget in the January session of the Legislature.

 

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  • Anonymous

    “We certainly should be looking at this again,” she said. “This is something that some of us have been talking about for a long time.” …………………….. and this is just the problem that our Politicians have both State and Federal …………. too much lip service just to hear themselves talk but no actual productive action to save the taxpayers money. Of course if it benefits’ them in some way, that’s a different story.

  • Anonymous

    I have always said that a new set of eyes is needed every once in awhile.  Of course, the person with the new set of eyes needs to be very knowledgeable about the subject matter.  It seems that this Commissioner of Corrections knows his stuff.  Lets hope so.

  • Tyke

    So if the Maine AG is successful in striking down the federal health care reform law Maine taxpayers will not see the major savings that are expected in 2014.

    Why did the Maine AG file a suit that would be harmful to Maine if successful?

  • Anonymous

    A lot of inmates are on medicare when they are arrested. Why wouldn’t they stay on it while in prison? Also if they have privet insurance they will have to let them see the Dr. of their choice. The quacks practicing in prison would probably take offense.

  • Anonymous

    Maine is gonna spend…….and then pay itself??     Has anyone cleared this with …..you know….that guy down in Florida?

  • Anonymous

    Maine pays $35 for a prescription.
    The rest of the country pays $8.
    Criminal.
    Someone should be locked up.

  • Tyke

    lol. Like Lepage has any actual input into decisions!

    Good one.

    Send him an anonymous Fax. Just make sure it’s in Lauren’s handwriting.

  • Tyke

    SPAM – please remove

  • Anonymous

    The first thing I would do is start an investigation into whoever came up with this idea, that person is either smoking funny stuff or has gotten into the Bath Salts.

  • Anonymous

    My uncle went to jail for 5 years for too many OUIs. While he was incarcerated, he got stints put in his heart, surgery on his knee, and his diabetes identified and controlled. It also cost us 50k a year to keep him there, on top of his medical bills. I have a bad disk in my neck that I incurred while working in the woods and it is killing me. I was thinking about knocking over a convenience store or something so I could get my neck fixed.

  • Anonymous

      I do not think the taxpayers should foot the bill for their medication or medical care.  How did they get these services before they were in jail?  Almost every other country in the world makes the family of the convict supply meds and cover medical costs.  In the good ol U.S. of A the con’s know it is three hots a cot, free medical and  dental. 

  • MyThoughts

    OCCUPY MAINE JAILS!  It is everything you are protesting for and you still don’t have to work.  That must of been what the brains of Occupy Augusta were doing! LOL

  • Tina

    They end up in jail because they put themselves there and never had it so good, screw them all and let them die of any illness. We pay enough to feed the slugs and give them a bed to sleep in.

  • Buzlno

    How would having tree insurance help them in the slammer?  :)

  • Tyke

    It’s hard to make reasonable judgements of a large complex system based on 1 data point. Most large consumers of medical devices and drugs will pay more than the average for some drugs and less for others.

    The fact that the commissioner stated the numbers for just that one isolated drug instead of the system wide average makes me wonder if he was just trying to score political points instead of actually informing the legislature and the public.

    The $35 vs $8 is only meaningful if the overall average cost is also out of balance. If that is true then someone should be fired and locked up if (and only if) they somehow illegally profited from it.

  • Tyke

    Legislators depend on others for almost all of the facts they use to make decisions. They do not go out and do audits and investigations.

    If legislators asked experts in the field for facts and their opinion on this subject and were not given accurate information to work with, then it is the experts who were not doing thier jobs correctly.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

    Thats it! I give up!

    Robbing a Bank is the new WIN WIN retirement plan,

    If you succeed you have a retirement fund.

    If you don’t you get a retirement home with free meals boarding and health care!

  • Tyke

    I agree. When I heard that OPEGA was looking into the prison health care systems I hoped we would learn about costs and efficiencies. The report they issued was all about finding ways to give better medical care to prisoners. Not a thing about the cost of medicine!

  • Anonymous

    “Ponte said his efforts are aimed at reducing state health costs for
    inmates until 2014, when the federal health care reform act will cover
    all inmates with incomes less than 133 percent of the federal poverty
    level.”

     I thought Maine got a waiver from that health care disaster?

  • Tyke

    :)

    I suspect your comment will fly right over many folks top branches.

  • Anonymous

    Prisons and jails should be much more self sufficient.  No reason they can’t raise all their meat and vegetables, preserve for winter like some of the rest of us.  ALL should be required to work whether it be inside the jail/prison or in the community.  There is much money to be saved but common sense must be used in order to accomplish the savings. 

  • Anonymous

    Because the AG in Maine works for the Penguin administration.  The Penguin administration takes its orders from the National party.  The National partry is trying to overturn the healthcare reform in order to prevent Obama from having a successful term, so that he can’t be re-elected.  This effort has absolutely nothing to do with the people of Maine. 

  • Anonymous

    Hum, and they say that crime doesn’t pay?  So along with 3 hot and a cot, they will get medicaid too? And they say “CRIME DOESN”T PAY”.  I am wondering if it a wrong statement.  I thought that the state was looking at decreasing the amount of $$ .  Oh, so I am wrong, a person on the “outside” tries to get help…and if you are in jail it is automatic?  I’ve worked in a jail. We would get our “regulars” in about Novemenber and they would “stay in the crowbar hotel” until spring.   What are these people thinking?  I think that money could be used better out in the “community”!  I’ve just have to shake my head….

  • Anonymous

    are you kidding me ?!?!?!  With all the people that obey the laws and don’t have health insurance?  They already get more priviledges than most law abiding citizens.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like a good argument for universal health care.

  • Tyke

    Maine state government budgets created by Lepage’s staff are currently booking substantial savings based on their owned calculations of what the real results will be from the new federal health care reform.

    They speak out of both sides of their mouths. They know full well that independent analysis has shown the health care reform law will save state, federal and local governments and private citizens money, but because they are on a Jihad against the sitting president they are eager to sell Maine taxpayers down the river as long as it supports their Jihad.

  • Anonymous

    WHAT???????????  I sometime think we would all be better off  incarcerated. They live better then those of us who are on fixed incomes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Regina-Hosebeast/100002095287763 Regina Hosebeast

    Absolutely. And we need to start giving prisoners better dental care too. They are entitled to bridges, crowns and root canals too, and not automatic extractions. :P

  • Anonymous

    My husband and I both work full time jobs and pay taxes and cant get mainecare or food stamps or anything but these criminals can commit crimes and get a cot and 3 hots, and medicaid. There is something truly wrong with this system we supposedly “live” in. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life

    Why do we have to provide criminals with health care.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life

    I am unclear what those expected savings are, can you provide a list?

  • Tyke

    You might try reading the article you are commenting on.

    “Ponte said his efforts are aimed at reducing state health costs for inmates until 2014, when the federal health care reform act will cover all inmates with incomes less than 133 percent of the federal poverty level.

    “That’s 95 if not 99 percent of the inmates,” he said. “That will be a significant savings”

  • Anonymous

    Need a driver and a future roommate? I could use some fixing up too.

  • Tyke

    … or you could just support universal health care.

  • Anonymous

    You wouldn’t do anything foolish like step on it would you? Lol. Remember, we are trying to get caught.

  • Jeff

    If a child is in State foster or juvie then the state picks up the medical not the parents. Come on the child is not at home thier for the parents do not have to care for the child!!

  • http://twitter.com/NorthernRants Bill Buck

    Do you not have insurance?

  • http://twitter.com/NorthernRants Bill Buck

    Overturn Obamacare so that he cannot be reelected.  How about overturn because the majority of people and their representatives are against it and it was passed only by Pelosi using a loophole in  Congressional procedure.

  • Anonymous

    So I should pay for your criminal child?  You are far off your rocker on this one.  Ahhhhh, I get it.  You must be protesting down at the library.  Now it makes sense ;)

  • Anonymous

    When Bubba comes at you with his big wood, you will take any protection you can get. (wink wink nudge nudge)

  • Anonymous

    The drug is bath salts.

    Now this story is complete.

  • Anonymous

     ”Medical care for inmates in the state’s correctional system is expensive and the state foots the bill, although a 1997 ruling by the federal government would allow some inmates that are hospitalized to get the mostly federally funded Medicaid program.
    The federal government pays for roughly two-thirds of Medicaid, with the state paying the rest.”
    Mal Leary, Capitol News Service
    NO, NO, NO Mr. Leary. the state doesn’t foot the bill. The working and retired TAXPAYER FOOTS THE BILL!
    The Medicaid program is NOT FEDERALLY FUNDED. IT’s US TAXPAYER FUNDED!
    Federal taxes taken from the Taxpaying citizen and private sector businesses PAY TWO-THIRDS OF MEDICAID. STATE working, retired and business TAXPAYERS pay the REST. It’s time the medial starts getting it straight and telling it how it REALLY is. The Federal nor State governments don’t have any other source for the money they spend. Quite irresponsibly, I might add!!!  

  • Anonymous

    media not medial. Keyboard keys sticking. No, I didn’t spill coffee, pop or anything else on them.

  • Anonymous

    Where are the feds going to get all this money?  The last I heard, they were bleeding red ink all over the place.  ChinaCare?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life

    Somehow Tyke, I do not believe for a second that health costs in this country are going down under Obamacare.  It has to be paid for, someone has to pay for it and it will be you and I.  I read the article, and I do not believe that there will be any savings – it is a transfer from Maine to the federal government and last I knew, I paid federal taxes as well as State taxes.

  • Buzlno

    C’mon, O Mighty Censors!  That one deserves to stay up!
    (like my ripe, time to go, remark)

  • Tyke

    The only “loophole” used was that one where a majority gets to pass bills.

  • Tyke

    No, the CBO analysis clearly shows the effect of the new health care reform bill  (even including all of the increased coverage) is a net savings for the government. It’s at least partly done through reduced costs by eliminating the ridiculous Republican inserted requirement that the feds aren’t allowed to use the power of their volume purchasing to negotiate for lower drug and medical equipment prices.

  • Anonymous

    Naw, why not knock over your uncle, instead?  With all the free care he’s received, he probably has a stash of cash somewhere.

  • Tyke

    Healthcare costs have been going up at obscenely high rates for many years now. The non partisan CBO calculated that there absolutely will be savings for both government and private citizens resulting from the new health care reform law (aka Obamacare).

    Of course costs will probably still rise at a lower rate than they would have without reform and partisan spin doctors will tell you those increases are because of Obamacare (pretending there aren’t long term trends that would have resulted in higher increases without it!)

  • Tyke

    ???

    You’re claiming the state is buying bath salts for inmates?

    I hope you jest.

  • Anonymous

    I knew that the worthless scum in our jails got better overall care than many of our honest, hard working citizens, but to read it in the news is really depressing. I can’t do anything to change this fact, but it really makes me sick. Who says crime doesn’t pay?  

  • Buzlno

    :-o

    True, a few have low hanging ones (like the censor that removed my “ripe” comment a couple days ago).

  • Tyke

    Really? What could anyone have found offensive it that comment?

    Methinks someone didn’t get it and their own dirty little mind filled in the blanks.

  • Buzlno

    I dunno. Haven’t (sniff) slept since. Maybe I’m riper than I smell!
     :)  G’nite!

  • Anonymous

    Obama won the Nobel peace prize within a couple months in office. That’s not enough to get him re-elected? And why is his national healthcare plan the only thing on his agenda? Isn’t there other things just as or even more important to this country? How about bringing our troops home for starters. He has had almost three years to do this.

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