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Bangor library board votes to allow Occupy Bangor protesters to keep camping out

Ray Peck of Hudson helps with setting up a communal tent at the Occupy Bangor encampment on the grounds of the Bangor Public Library on Monday, Oct. 31, 2011. Although camping in Peirce Memorial Park is prohibited, a handful of Occupy Bangor activists have been camping on the adjoining grounds of the libray since Saturday night.
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Ray Peck of Hudson helps with setting up a communal tent at the Occupy Bangor encampment on the grounds of the Bangor Public Library on Monday, Oct. 31, 2011. Although camping in Peirce Memorial Park is prohibited, a handful of Occupy Bangor activists have been camping on the adjoining grounds of the libray since Saturday night. Buy Photo
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Posted Nov. 01, 2011, at 6:34 p.m.
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John Kreps of Appleton, Ray Peck of Hudson, Jim Freeman of Verona Island, and Kat King of North Carolina, set up a communal tent at the Occupy Bangor encampment on the grounds of the Bangor Public Library on Monday, Oct. 31, 2011. Because overnight camping is prohibited at Peirce Memorial Park, which is the gathering site for Occupy Bangor, activists have been camping on the adjoining library grounds since Saturday night.
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John Kreps of Appleton, Ray Peck of Hudson, Jim Freeman of Verona Island, and Kat King of North Carolina, set up a communal tent at the Occupy Bangor encampment on the grounds of the Bangor Public Library on Monday, Oct. 31, 2011. Because overnight camping is prohibited at Peirce Memorial Park, which is the gathering site for Occupy Bangor, activists have been camping on the adjoining library grounds since Saturday night. Buy Photo

BANGOR, Maine — Occupy Bangor protesters who have camped out overnight on Bangor Public Library property since last weekend have expressed their views peacefully thus far, according to library officials. As a result, the library’s board members on Tuesday voted 6-2 not to adopt a policy that would prohibit the demonstrators from camping out on library property after 10 p.m.

Occupy Bangor protesters spend their daytime hours in Peirce Park, which is next to the library, but a city ordinance prohibits them from being on park property after 10 p.m. No such curfew exists for the library.

Norman Minsky, chairman of the library’s board, along with library director Barbara McDade, said that approximately 904 people visited the library on Monday, compared with 750 four weeks ago.

“There’s been 30 phone calls since 11 this morning, and all 30 support the library’s decision,” said Minsky. “Things can change, and the library will adapt if necessary.”

McDade said demonstrators have been careful to set up their tents away from the library’s children’s area.

“So far Occupy Bangor has been very cooperative. Anything that we have asked them to do they have done it,” said McDade.

McDade cited the First Amendment right to freedom of speech as a major reason the board decided not to pursue adopting a policy.

“We do believe deeply in the First Amendment, so they do have the right to share their views with the public,” she said.

Sunny Hughes, a member of the media team for Occupy Bangor, said the demonstrations have been well-received thus far.

“I think it’s been very peaceful,” she said. “We haven’t had any complaints at all. We’re still in regular communication with the city.”

McDade also noted that the demonstrators’ daytime activities don’t take place on library property and that patrons shouldn’t have any fear about walking past occupiers.

In fact, the protest provides area children a fantastic learning experience, she said.

“More than one person has told me they come with their children and it’s a very teachable moment to tell their children these are people that are protesting something they think is wrong, and this is how we do it in the U.S.,” McDade said.

Occupy Bangor is part of a national grass-roots movement designed to call attention to the continuing economic problems faced by 99 percent of the population who are poor and middle class, according to organizers.

Minsky and McDade said that if things do get out of hand, they will take action quickly.

“We do have the right to maintain calm and peace and so forth on our property,” said Minsky. “We do have the right to maintain order in the library and on library property.”

“If we hear any intimidation, we will go out and ask them to stop,” McDade said. “If they do not stop, we will call the police and ask them to be escorted away for trespassing.”

Hughes said the Occupy Bangor protesters intend to remain camped out for “as long as it takes,” and that a family day is being planned for Saturday.

Things were relatively quiet around the Occupy Bangor camp on Tuesday afternoon after the board meeting, at which no demonstrators were present.

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  • Anonymous

     When the Public Library is on your side, you know you are doing something right.  Good job Occupiers!

    Fighting corruption means dealing with the vast power that corrupt money will throw against you–media, politicians, and of course the corporations themselves.   You’re doing it, you’re winning crucial battles.

    Fight on!  You are heroes!

  • Anonymous

    Good!   It would have been wrong to ask them to leave. I am not surprised people have called in support.  If someone is “intimidated” by walking by these peaceful protesters, then they must have a lot of irrational fears and should probably address that and what they really are fearful of.  It has nothing to do with these demonstrators.
    It is good, and right,  to see a library (which is about enlightenment, education, freedom of speech and expression)  be willing to have these people remain near the library.  Reassuring!

  • Anonymous

    My donations of goods and services cease as of now.

  • Anonymous

    It really is a big deal that the Library is supporting them.  Wow!  The light of education is the light of free speech and justice!

  • Anonymous

    No complaints. No arrest.  Only phone calls supporting the library trustee’s allowing the Occupiers to camp out on library grounds. Interesting isn’t it? What about all the supposed sightings of violence, drug abuse and all the numerous other things that the anti Occupy Bangor crowd was spewing on these pages over the weekend. Gosh I guess those were what we have come to associate with the radical right tea party LIES, LIES, LIES and more LIES. Americans availing themselves of their Constitution right to publicly gather and demonstrate in a legal and peaceful manner. It is not Boston and the year is not 1765. It is Bangor and the year is 2011 and a message is being sent. I wonder if the Occupiers in Bangor and around the country might have influenced JP Morgan Chase, Citi, Wells Fargo and  Bank of America’s decision to not charge for debt cards? Next Tuesday we will all have an opportunity to send a message to our radical right tea party republican controlled Legislature by voting YES on ONE. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure they will be sorely missed.  Get ready to be boycotted later!  (Tee hee.)

  • Anonymous

    Ben Franklin would be proud.  :)

  • Anonymous

    yeah!  thank you Bangor Library!!

  • Anonymous

    Yes, absolutely!  So much fabricated stuff, but are you surprised.
    As for the banks….and Bank of America deciding to drop their monthly fee idea. It would have hurt them (lost them more customers.) I speak out against that bank whenever possible.  It is corrupt.  Apparently, that bank was deluged with emails on the Internet…..oh too bad, everyone was against their proposed charge.

  • Anonymous

    What specifically did you provide? Goods,  services, intelligent conversation??? I’m sure you will be sorely missed.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t recall anyone claiming they witnessed “violence” in Bangor. In other areas, yes there has been violence but not in Bangor.

    I also don’t recall any claiming they witnessed “drug use” in Bangor. What others claimed was that there were “hippies”, “bong smokers”, etc…but actual drug use, no.

    And I think the decisions by BoA to not charge debit card fees had more to do with people threatening to remove money from the bank then anything OWS did.

  • Anonymous

    What specifically have you donated? Why are you withdrawing your generosity now?? I’m sure your kindness will be most sorely missed.

  • Anonymous

    Does The Library accept money from the “1%”?

  • Anonymous

    I think it was a combination….all the outrage expressed by customers and others…..but I would not fully discount the many people speaking out against banks as sending a message. I am not saying that banks are going to start changing all their ways, but these demonstrations all over the world are not meaningless as some might suggest.

  • Anonymous

    Well, they do receive taxpayer funding, so i would have to say yes.

  • Anonymous

    Goods and services.  They have been one of the local groups I have donated to for a number of years. No more. They have taken sides in something they should not have.

  • Anonymous

    Nice precedent. I can’t wait till some other group (Tea Party perhaps) wants to camp out there. We shall see how even handed the library people are then.

  • Anonymous

    Donald Sussman will write them a check to protest against his Hedge Fund LOL

  • Anonymous

    Lies? These aren’t lies brother..too bad you guys can’t handle the truth about these occupiers.

    http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/10/31/the-99-official-list-of-ows/  A nice list of supporters. Note the anti-jewish groups and Iran.

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/01/milk-street-cafe-owner-sacks-21-employees-as-consequence-of-occupy-wall-street-demonstration/   People fired due to occupy protests hurting business.

    http://www.wfaa.com/news/Occupy-Dallas-man-arrested-for-sexual-assault-133033828.html
    Sex assault at Occupy encampment

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/occupy_ball_street_aIoZXVqZ3hU8Zm9oX5aGWM     Occupiers rush to STD clinics in NYC.

    And so..so much more. Too bad you guys are trying to hide the truth about these people. But it is slowly coming out.

  • Anonymous

    What happens if someone is injured on the Library Property and sues???

  • Anonymous

    I heard from one of the people on the committee that they were afraid to provoke any violence from the group. Obviously having people already camped out there, with the brethren in Oakland and NYC resorting to violence had an affect.

  • Anonymous

    Probably they want to be close to the library to renew their dog eared copy of The Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital.

  • Anonymous

    This is a bad precedent for any library. Allowing politics to mix with their services is not a good idea. They may rue the day they did this as others with agendas that you and the board doesn’t agree with may sue to have the same right. Also, it may hurt their public funding as well. Not a good thing at all.

  • rjmunksgaard

    Thank you Bangor Library for supporting democracy! I would like to know who are the two who voted against…One of the 99% in solidarity – Roxanne Munksgaard

  • Anonymous

    Thank you Bangor Public Library for supporting the anti-semitic and anti-business sentiment expressed by many in the Occupy movement. Thank you for being ok with the lawlessness that was seen in Oakland, New York and Boston where people have urinated in parks, broken windows, pushed police officers down and made hateful speeches.

  • Anonymous

    I think he just showed you some facts, of which you were unable or unwilling to dispute any. As usual.

  • Anonymous

    All these people are doing his practicing their first amendment rights, and people are talking about the library taking sides!!  You can’t make this stuff up……they go off the edge.
    And “suing” and ” losing patrons”,etc.  Lol.  These people are so off. I know quite a few of the librarians there, and according to  a head librarian (not McDade) and also tonight on the local news, the volume of library users has been even higher (Friday,for one day.) That library has one of the highest volume of books,etc. taken out in New England, (I believe the highest.)  That is not about to change either! 

  • Anonymous

    JD I suggest you go back and review the article that ran over the weekend concerning the Occupy Bangor story. Not only were there allegations of drug use and violence one poster cautioned people that happened to be downtown and came across the demonstrators not walk ”through the haze” or it might result in your failing a drug test at work.  One poster who has been extremely aggressive in supporting the tea party even called for mustard gas to be used against the demonstrators. What surprised me was that only one person who claimed to be a tea party member denounced the poster for calling for gassing. 

  • Anonymous

    All these people are doing his practicing their first amendment rights, and people are talking about the library taking sides!!  You can’t make this stuff up……they go off the edge.
    And “suing” and ” losing patrons”,etc.  Lol.  These people are so off. I know quite a few of the librarians there, and according to  a head librarian (not McDade) and also tonight on the local news, the volume of library users has been even higher (Friday,for one day.) That library has one of the highest volume of books,etc. taken out in New England, (I believe the highest.)  That is not about to change either! 

  • Anonymous

    Of course you are right Cheesey. Any group or organization that advocates free speech has to be punished.

  • Anonymous

    The library is a public (paid for by taxpayers) place that is meant for everyone, not just wallies. Discrimination.  The board should not be deciding this.

  • Anonymous

    hmmmmmm. . . which ‘crucial’ battles ???

  • Anonymous

    “Crucial battles”? Like what drums to beat, and when? What chants to chant and when? What vegan choices to make for supper? Please, these guys couldn’t battle out of a paper bag.

  • Anonymous

    are you for real?  

  • Anonymous

    GO GO GO, Occupy Bangor!!!  99% of us are behind you!

  • Anonymous

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/zuccotti_anarchy_airon2LnfY5Iz0tRKeN6TK

    They don’t even read the papers do these guys? Wow, talk about having blinders on.

  • Anonymous

    But hey, they want to copyright the name “Occupy”. How capitalist of them, and hypocritical.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/AP72d08a25e8084c25beb180b9df78f471.html

  • Anonymous

    It isn’t about Free Speech. It about the supporting of that speech with taxpayer dollars.

  • Anonymous

    Very.

  • Anonymous

    Oh well, guess he missed those, or else is making a point of saying that he thinks no one said they “witnessed” violence.  The remarks spoke for themselves though ,and low….as they are on this thread.
    Have a good night!

  • Anonymous

    Cheesey I am sure that if you wanted to set up a tent in back of the library no one would stop you. 

  • Anonymous

    Right. These selfish people are using the library as a tool and have dragged it into a political fight. By camping on its grounds, these people have put the institution in the middle of a partisan fight that you may think has merit, but in reality will only hurt that institution. Because of this selfish act that gave the library no choice (other than a possibly messy public and violent removal), they have shown their true colors. I feel badly for people who think that forcing the library into this decision is a sign of solidarity. It was done under duress.

  • Anonymous

    I will be boycotting your goods and services and will be sure to tell all my friends.

  • Anonymous

    They love themselves. They love their fellow human being. They love America. They love Mother Earth. Love is the answer, not hate. Peace, not war. Unification, not division. 

  • Anonymous

    Cheesey I am sure if you wanted to set up a tent behind the library no one would stop you.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t.  If you read the article, it sounds like they are quite pleased to see people peacefully asserting their first amendment rights.

  • Anonymous

    Shameful.  Do you see any correlation between the invention of the printing press and free speech?  Any connection between free speech and a public library? (This was meant for Cheesy but the reply feature wasn’t working.)

  • Anonymous

    Continue to spread lies, accusations and untruths. I think you help the cause more than you hurt it with your remarks. It only makes people more passionate. And those on the fence will use our words to guide them. I suspect, the upward trend will continue. The movement is growing by leaps and bounds every day. 

  • Anonymous

    Can’t stand it when there is a popular, large, committed group not focused on stealing from the poor and giving to the rich, huh?

  • kcjonez

    Which violence are you referring to?  The part where the cops shot a tear gas canister into Scott Olsen’s head?  A US Marine with two tours in Iraq is almost killed on his home soil for protecting your first amendment right?  Yeah, that must be what you meant.  For the record, the cops are the 99% and the Marines are too.  Oh yeah, so are you mainer4ever.  You should show a little more respect for these brave folks.  

  • Anonymous

    He kept my fingers busy this weekend with the lies and untruths I had to counter. LOL

  • Anonymous

    Notice the movement grows in numbers every day and grows in the number of people around the globe who agree.

  • kcjonez

    Libraries have always stood strongly for first amendment rights.  I am proud of Bangor Library’s committee for having the strength to take this stand.  

  • Anonymous

    I honestly do not recall one comment about OWS (Bangor) calling for or committing any acts of violence.

    I do recall a reference from a poster about “mustard gas” but the original comment had already been removed by the BDN.

    And yes, there were people making claims about a “haze” but it wasn’t a claim they had witnessed drug use just that they believe it would occur.

    At any rate, let’s be thankful that none of the negative things people thought would happen or claimed would happen did happen.

    I support the protesters right to protest. I support there right to camp out as long as they have the permission of the library. I hope that things remain just as calm tomorrow as it was today and next week and the week after that.

  • Anonymous

    You can’t copyright a word. Trademark is something else entirely.

  • Anonymous

    Bad precedence to promote free speech and expression by peaceful, American loving citizens?

  • Anonymous

    You might mean a different poster.
    Yes, the untruths and fallacies…..well, guess we should not be surprised (having read some of those posters’ comments on other topics. A lot of dishonesty.)

  • Anonymous

    Oh well.

  • Anonymous

    So by your logic, taxpayer dollars are also supporting the speech of the protesters when they are in the park next to the library?

  • kcjonez

    Are you a board member there?  

  • Anonymous

    Keep listening to Glenn.

  • Anonymous

    No they don’t boom. I don’t agree with the message or what they want wish to accomplish but they are exercising there rights as Americans. They believe they have been wronged and what they are doing is what every American can and should do if they feel wronged, and that is to demand redress from the government.

  • Anonymous

    Of course those would not denounce it. They are not in support of them, so they don’t condemn or call out comments like the “gassing.” Boy, if was the reverse they would. I believe the poster jd2008jd did call out someone for that remark or a similar one. I am quite sure.

  • Anonymous

    Violence?  That is a ridiculous statement.  Where has there been any evidence, an inkling of violence connected with Occupy Bangor?  

  • Anonymous

    “What happens if someone is injured on the Library Property and sues???”

    Same thing that would happen last week or last month. It goes to the libraries (cities) insurance company and the take care of it. If there are others that are responsible, the insurance company will make an attempt to recover from them.

  • Anonymous

    I do believe 4mermainer was referring to the Bangor OWS group.

  • Anonymous

    Hey redbird love the videos of the arena. Keep up the good work.

  • Anonymous

    They were actually willing to be arrested in the park that first night had they not been made aware that there was no policy against them staying on library property. They have seen first hand how these people are just your every day American and Maine citizens. 

    The Occupiers there are not violent, they are no unsanitary. They are not causing any harm or trouble. They are law abiding citizens who are gaining support with the passing of each day when more and more people see that they are not the monsters that Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, O’Reily and Howie Carr would have you to believe. 

    They aren’t drug addicts, bums, homeless, violent, law breakers. They are doctors, lawyers, teachers, nurses, construction workers, farmers, social workers, waitresses, cab drivers, fishermen, loggers, mill workers, unemployed, veterans, elderly, children, high school students, college students, male, female, of all races, colors and creeds. The more people that will see them up close, the more people that will realize that they are being manipulated. 

  • Anonymous

    And what “lies and untruths” would that be TrueNative? If you want to call me out please do so by addressing me and not another poster.

    I have been extremely even handed in my comments. I have supported the protesters right to protest. I haven’t called anyone any names.

    So please, tell me what I “lied about” and what “untruths” I posted this weekend.

  • Anonymous

    I would admire anyone, left , right, middle who would camp out to show their beliefs in weather like we had this weekend.

  • Anonymous

    The library made a political decision not a free speech one as much as they protest that they did not. They chose sides with my tax dollars.

  • Anonymous

    And lynne…I don’t recall one poster saying they witnessed an act of violence in Bangor. People inferred there would be violence and drug use but please I don’t recall any one saying the “witnessed” it in Bangor.

  • Anonymous

    Note it was not a unanimous decision. At least two people recognized that.

  • Anonymous

    They just can’t let the truth get in the way of their flawed ideology. Vote YES on ONE

  • Anonymous

    I will admit I thought they would fold Saturday night into Sunday morning and they didn’t. That says more to me about their commitment then anything else.

  • Anonymous

    Why do you think people like mainer4ever and boomboomroom are fighting so hard against them. Hate is a very difficult thing to justify.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry–confused you with someone else.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you–it can get very confusing trying to keep track of who typed what to whom. Hope you have a good rest of the evening.

  • Anonymous

    Ok , let’s try again. I was attempting to point out to  4mermainer , that you did not read any comments from people who say they “witnessed” violence ( I put that in quotes, not to sneer or make light of, but to quote the exact word of the poster.)  You were making the distinction, to be what you considered to be accurate.  I don’t have the definitive answer. We read many of the posts, but do we read all of them?!

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think it was you he was referring to JD. I think it might have been the poster to a screen name similar to mine.

  • Anonymous

    Taxpayers

  • Steve Anderson

    The Kool-Aid. You should stop drinking it. Seriously. The “truth about these people” is that they’re patriotic Americans who have stood up to stop the destruction of their country at the hands of the wealthy elite.

  • Anonymous

    You are correct. My apologies.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks–long day and I should have walked away awhile ago.

  • Anonymous

    I got lost in the thread and confused by the names. Sorry.

  • Anonymous

    Not large.Put 5k in the streets in the Bangor area. that’s large. 6 or 8 on a camp-out is not large.

  • Steve Anderson

    Violence? Please. I’d expect about as much violence from Occupy Bangor as I would from the Bangor Kiwanians. 

    The vast majority of people resorting to violence in New York City and Oakland were police officers. Please don’t make ridiculous accusations against people just because you don’t agree with their beliefs.  

  • Anonymous

    Lynne and JD I never said witnessed I believe I said “supposed sightings”.

  • Steve Anderson

    Every single thing you just said is untrue. It’s one thing to disagree with them, but please don’t resort to ridiculous slander. That does no one any good. 

  • Anonymous

    Not a problem. It was a mistake and you said you were sorry and I have no reason to doubt your sincerity. I have done the same thing in the past and it is easy to do. You even have other posters coming to your defense which is very, very unusual on these pages. I hope you have a wonderful rest of the evening TrueNative.

  • Anonymous

    For sure. 

    The truth shall set us free. 

  • Anonymous

    Interesting story regarding Barbara McDade, who use to be Barbara Rice , director of the Library in Morristown, NJ.  She will pander to the Occupy Bangor crowd yet she had no use for the homeless, whom the Occupy supporters claim they care about.http://www.ahcuah.com/lawsuit/federal/kreimer2.htm

  • Steve Anderson

    It’s really not hypocritical at all. OWS isn’t against capitalism, corporations or business. It’s only against corruption, greed and unethical business practices. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3OHMJGZWNV5TCWAWBY3CQAINAQ old mcdonald

    The Free  Public  Library was and is the Tool for free speech and thought  for the 99%,   I think. We can check out any thoughts of so many.Even if we dont agree,to see things the same way.Rush,or Frankin,Lincoln or Davis,and nobody can deny this right.What better place for those who protest would you propose ? Revere was a Partisan.

  • David Gillam

    The average seems to be about 2 weeks before theft and felony class assault start, and 3 before Rape outbreaks start.
    Maybe Bangor will be lucky enough to buck the trend

  • Steve Anderson

    So let me get this straight: you’re going to boycott a public library because they support free speech of a group trying to make the world a better place? Well, I guess that’s your prerogative. 

  • Anonymous

    Well stated.

  • Anonymous

    Libraries and Librarians have always be the Greatest defenders of the first amendment. They are some of our Greatest Patriots…

  • Anonymous

    oh my!!!!

  • Steve Anderson

    Yes, they chose sides – in favor of free speech. As they should have. 

  • Anonymous

    Which books do you want to ban??? you don’t seem to know anything about Libraries…

  • Anonymous

    I think it was more confusion with those two similar handles. I know for a while I was getting them mixed up, till I saw how very divergent their views are, and then I never had any mix-up about it again!

  • Anonymous

    Those 2 handles…..mainer4ever, and 4mermainer…….well, you can see what happens!!!

  • Steve Anderson

    I rather doubt any of these people would sue. The Occupy crowd is pretty civic minded and treats responsibility as a virtue. Suing a public library that allowed them to camp out there is hardly what I would expect from one of them.

  • Anonymous

    If you are not willing to allow people to express their views through peaceful protest, than you are not an American anyway.  So it shouldn’t matter to you.

  • Anonymous

    These people are making fools of themselves with their preposterous and dishonest claims.

  • Anonymous

    They are fighting nobly for justice, reform and recognition–not with their fists, but with their hearts.  The Library just gave them a vote of confidence!!

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I agree.

  • Anonymous

    She probably gives me money and doesn’t even know it.

  • Anonymous

    For example, in Nashville OWS achieved a legal victory over the Governor:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/occupy-nashville-officials_n_1068795.html

  • Anonymous

    You know that MDI lady.

  • Anonymous

    You mistake the Tea Party People with the left… I am a Republican and Support the Tea Party.. I also support the Occupiers.. The Tea party  is as diverse as the Occupiers… Now you would not want me to believe that the Occupiers are only union members using their shirt tails to hitch a ride would you.. Tea Party People are closer to the Protesters then you think….

  • Steve Anderson

    Crucial battles: getting the American public to realize that We the People do have the right, the ability and the duty to take back control of our country from the wealthy powerful few who are currently pulling the strings. 

  • Steve Anderson

    So supporting the right of the people to peaceably assemble is “a bad precedent,” is it?

  • Anonymous

    The New York Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who also owns Fox News and the Wall Street Journal–Murdoch is a billionaire conservative, now that’s a media elite!

    Here’s what wiki says about the NYP:

    The Post has been criticized since the beginning of Murdoch’s ownership for sensationalism, blatant advocacy and conservative bias

  • Anonymous

    Not a chance, Vern.

  • Steve Anderson

    Well, two of the “sources” were from the NYPost, a publication nearly as respected as the National Enquirer and only slightly more trustworthy as a source of information.  

  • Anonymous

    Some of the opponents look for the worst as they don’t really know these people and it seems they often want to see the worst, with their cynicism ; they mischaracterize  all the time.  Part is ignorance, and part is just intentional to try demonize. Or maybe they are projecting their way of thinking (“sue”,etc.) Shows how little they understand the demonstrators.

  • Anonymous

    It is funny how some posters are trying to claim that these protest are against the right wing… Funny how most of the laws we live by today were written by the Dems/ the left… The protesters claim to be non political,, I am a Tea Party Republican an proud of it… And I support the Protesters 100%… Someone somewhere likes making it about Political Parties.. They don’t want us getting together and looking down that Rabbit hole together… Just don’t let the Unions dictate you agenda, because they are political and they do choose choose sides…. I’ll be down again supporting  your cause aganst courption…..   Most Repub teaparty people can see it too… The people who are bashing you most likely belong to the democract party, you are stepping on their toes by getting into the game…They want to play all by themselves…. I am now asking Teaparty people to join the protesters  this weekend…

  • Anonymous

    That is typical for that poster.

  • Anonymous

    Some of these people seem to be in need of what a library offers.

  • Anonymous

    They think they are “better” than those choosing to do this. Can you imagine!

  • Anonymous

    The first article you cite is by someone named “zombie” who refuses to identify him/herself.

  • Anonymous

    The New York Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch, billionaire, who also owns Fox News and the Wall Street Journal.  Media elite at its finest.

  • Anonymous

    There are many, many Tea Party people like myself with common sense.. I’ll be back to stand with you folks… The Tea Party is closer to the Occupiers than some would lead you to believe.. My only issue with the Saturday event which I joined in with, was the unions control over most of it.. I do not and will not chant union songs… How were they allowed so much control… It’s not about them, it’s about the coruption between the Government and large corporations…  

  • Anonymous

    YES on 1.  

    And, can you even imagine living in a town, city , state or country that tried to stifle people’s right to peacefully assemble and stifle the First Amendment rights of citizens?!  No place one would wish to live. Oh, of course, they were all right with the tea party people assembling places!

  • Anonymous

    I agree with the movement, I was there and know the unions controled most of the show which makes it political, It chooses political sides..  I am a tea party Republican who believes in you’re cause and will support you, I am sure other tea party people believe also.. The black eye you have it union control of a non political party cause…  You should never have gotten into bed with a PAC group like them…. It Taints you’re cred.. Advise not criticism….

  • Anonymous

    I agree with some of what you say, but not the part about “the people who are bashing you most likely belong to the democratic party.”  That is highly unlikely. I have read the comments from longtime and other posters on here who make critical (and worse) comments about the demonstrators.  They(opponents)  are anything but Democrats…..many espouse right wing views all the time.

  • Anonymous

    lynne, can you say FRINGE!!!

  • Anonymous

    Solidarity forever…sorry I had to do it.

  • Anonymous

    Many Free Public Libraries were initially financed and constructed by the 1% who you now vilify and now count on to support.

  • Anonymous

    Here are the members of the board of trustees Norman Minsky, President
    Franklin E. Bragg II, MD, Vice President
    Lee Chick, Treasurer
    Elizabeth McKee Coffey
    Richard B. Hanson
    Tabitha King
    John M. Rohman
    Thomas C. Johnston Debra Cyr, ex officio

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jay-Ellingsen/1683146356 Jay Ellingsen

    I wonder if in the future when a small group of Tea Party folks want to exercise there first amendment rights and have a camp out if they will be afforded the same level of courtesy by the library directors. I certainly hope so. They too are a grass roots effort.

  • Anonymous

    Who’s Glen?  Actually the one item I do agree with mainer4ever is their comment regarding anti Semitic.  Our local Peace and Justice Center is one of the leaders of the Occupy Bangor  movement and they are very anti Israel  and pro Palestine ,  You could argue that being anti Israel is not  anti Semitic, however if you hear some of the protesters in NYC they are clearly anti Semitic.

  • Anonymous

    If they had denied the protesters access, would that have been a political decision?

  • Anonymous

    They supported the right to free speech, not the specific content of the free speech.  Your logic is faulty.

  • Anonymous

    By your flawed logic, the Library was forced to become political by saying either “yes” or “no”–and either way they become partisan.

  • Anonymous

    The executives and bankers on Wall Street who destroyed our economy in 2008 have “initially financed and constructed” many free public libraries?

    You’re confusing the past with the focus and goal of OWS.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, for gooooooodness sake. Did you read the article? Well read it again. It was quite clear the library wishes to support Occupy. There was no dragging, lots of choice, and no force or duress. A representative of the library was in attendance Saturday and let the Occupiers know there was no rule that would prevent them from camping on library property. While it was not an invitation to camp there, it was a clear message that they would not be breaking any library rules and now they have VOTED to let them stay. Bravo Bangor Public Library!

  • Anonymous

    Most of the clear thinking, fair share 1%s know this is not about them. Many of them are showing up at the Occupy sites and saying make it fair. You can do better than global statements like that.

  • Anonymous

    Nicely said.

  • Anonymous

    It is not capitalism that is the problem. It is how capitalism is perverted that is the problem. Fair Trade Certified would be an alternative to the despotic system we have now. BUY FAIR TRADE.

  • Anonymous

    Spot on!

  • Anonymous

    Yes, and I read a federal judge is taking Oakland to task.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, give me a break. Afraid? They have been talking with each other throughout this Occupy. I cannot image any mature adults serving on a board of directors making that kind of statement. The only fear mongering going on is from people who wish to crush this Occupation. And, it will not work. This is too local. We can see for ourselves.

  • Anonymous

    too few protestors and too many parents.

  • Anonymous

    Not at all Cheryl. Not at all.

  • Anonymous

    This comment is so ludicrous it does not even warrant a challenge. 

  • Anonymous

    Curious, and would like to know more. What union controls what Occupy?

  • Anonymous

    Will ask the same thing of you. What union was present and how did they control the event. I was there also and did not sense or hear any union rhetoric. What union songs did we sing? We Shall Overcome and This Land Is Your Land are union songs?

  • Anonymous

    This gives so much hope. There is common ground and when good people get together to get something done change happens. Thank you for saying this.

  • Anonymous

    Actually I think it might help with funding. I’ll stop by and give my next donation to the library.

  • Anonymous

    It is the kind of courage we need to see our in our legislators.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, I am sorely disappointed in you Cheesecake. How much do I have to donate to make up for your omission?

  • Anonymous

    How are they supporting with taxpayer dollars?

  • chris b

    This decision will make me vote every levy from now on DOWN.Get the trash off of the library grounds NOW.

  • Anonymous

    They have no rules prohibiting what is happening there. Do you think if they had such a rule they would be supporting this event? I don’t think so. So maybe the Board of Directors needs to be petitioned to create such a rule. I hope they reject such a petition, but if you think it so wrong I would ask them to take it under advisement.

  • chris b

    No they don’t have you read the manifesto of OWS? These are communists who want freebies from the working.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent comeback.

  • chris b

    You have not read the manifesto I guess because they are backed by the communist party of America and the world worker’s party.They want more freebies and they don’t want to work.

  • chris b

    Then they can count on every citizen of the county like me to NEVER vote in favor of another levy ever again.

  • chris b

    Yes they are read the manifesto it is obvious that no one here but me has….

  • chris b

    No they are not a “large group”.ROFLOL

  • Anonymous

    Oh, there are a lot more than just those who camp. For every one of them there are at least a thousand that would sponsor them. Not with money, but with thanks for doing this for me. In fact, I might suggest they do something to that effect on their website. Thanks for the idea.

  • Anonymous

    Not many. Maybe a few.

  • chris b

    I’m not proud and as a former supporter who has given many dollars to the library they have lost my gifts with this decision.My group is meeting tomorrow to put an end to our support.This is going to cost the library system more money than they can imagine.

  • chris b

    Your little donation will not make up for the large one I personally used to give each year nor the even larger one my group will be voting to stop tomorrow.I’d say they just lost in the neighborhood of over a million dollars with this stupid decision….

  • Anonymous

    Really, you saw trash there? Oh, you mean the tents. Sorry, I guess they get to stay.

  • chris b

    SEIU is funding the movement.Work workers party is funding the movement

  • chris b

    You are not tea party and stop pretending you are.We are nothing like this flith is.

  • chris b

    This Land is Your land is a socialist song….

  • chris b

    NO they are not stop it you are not republican nor tea party.

  • Anonymous

    Woodie Guthrie was hardly a socialist, but he did belong to a group of folk singers who helped start a social justice movement.

  • Anonymous

    ouuuuuu, your kind of tea partying is the nasty kind

  • Anonymous

    So you have seen the Occupy ‘accounts’? They did get a sizable check. I will find out where it came from and get back to you. I chipped in too. I am not a union member.

  • Anonymous

    Wowser. You are right. I am not one of the 1%. Proud of yourself are you?

  • Anonymous

    Well, do you really think they will bow to the moneyed interests? I sure hope not. That is what Occupy is all about after all.  

  • Anonymous

    i was at the lib parked near them yesterday my 4yr daughter was in back seat while my dad went in to return some books and check on some he wanted to check out, she asked about the drums and other questions i told her they were protesting….  than she asked and camping out i said yes they are protesting in a good mannor not bugging people she liked the drumming…

  • Anonymous

    The movement can’t help who supports them. It doesn’t mean that Occupy endorses them and or has adopted their philosophy.

    I heard Glenn’s list yesterday but it doesn’t mean anything. It is just another attempt at controlling the masses through fear. So many people and groups support or agree with this movement but that doesn’t mean that any of those entities are endorsed. Glenn and the other clowns will stop at nothing to discredit the Occupy movement because they are running scared. Their Tea Party is quickly fading away.

    It is sad to see people so manipulated that they can’t use simple reasoning skills to realize that because the communist party has come out and said that they support OWS, it doesn’t mean that the movement is in anyway influenced by them. It merely means that they agree with what the movement is about and they support them.

  • Anonymous

    Again, just because a group has spoken up in support of OWS, does NOT mean that OWS is in support of the group. OWS can’t help who comes out and says they are in support of the movement. It is sad that people are so manipulated by the news entertainment people that they can’t draw that simple conclusion. 

  • Anonymous

    Because most people realize that it doesn’t mean anything and is just another attempt to discredit the movement.

  • Anonymous

    What union controlled the rally last weekend? What union did the movement say that they supported? I was there and there was NO union control.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, no union controlled the rally last weekend.

  • http://www.stcroixvideoproductions.com stcroixvid

    What battle are they winning?

  • Anonymous

    NY Post…need I say more.

  • Anonymous

    Yes.

  • Anonymous

    I think someone’s got their back.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life

    What are the demands of Occupy Bangor?

  • Anonymous

    exactly.  just ask warren buffet.

  • Anonymous

    you seem angry to me.  are you okay?

  • Anonymous

    that is because the Occupy movement does not have a manifesto.  whatever you are reading, it is not put out by the group, since they have committed to remaining amorphous. 

  • Anonymous

    and buy locally!  from Maine businesses and farmers.   and stop going to Walmart, while we are at it.

  • Anonymous

    are we sure those were Occupy people or just the usual downtown Bangor local color?

  • Anonymous

    you do a great job, jd, keeping the record straight for all of  us.

  • Anonymous

    my hero!!

    you are so RIGHT.  i have been thinking this since the first video of OWS.  these folks have a lot in common with the Tea Party.

  • Anonymous

    I think the Occupy Bangor folks should camp out in Roxanne Quimby’s yard instead–and protest her efforts to use her fortune to further damage the logging industry here in Maine!

  • Anonymous

    be easy on him.  he is exactly who we want to be there.  He is brave enough to come out and identify himself as a Tea Party member who supports OWS.  that’s strong.

  • Anonymous

    it was written in the 1890′s and first published in a church song book.  yeah, totally radical.

  • Anonymous

    On the other hand, you –  ”TrueNative”  posting on the BDN forum, can speak for OWS as a whole and we are supposed to draw a conclusion from that?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, cherry-picked judges are indicative of the legal professions opinion of your “movement”.

  • Anonymous

    Of the people, by the people, for the people.  Democracy is a political idea not an economic one.  Corporations are in the business of making money.  Democratic government is for the welfare of all the people.

  • Anonymous

    They love puppies, they love unicorns, they love cherry iced creme.

  • Anonymous

    Denial, it ain’t just a river in Egypt.

  • Anonymous

    Notice how the leftists describe the fleabaggers as “patriotic” and “loving America”? But when you look at what these occupiers really stand for, it is diametrically opposed to everything this country was founded on. Free markets, individual responsibility, and Federalism.

  • Anonymous

    Not the boomboomroom’s ,linc35′s and many more of that ilk. They both have been very aggressive on behalf of the tea party and both advocated gassing the demonstrators in Bangor. linc35 with mustard gas. 

  • Anonymous

    And that is the question. More importantly, what are the demands of OWS as a group nationally/internationally? From what I have read each group sets their own demands. So if one groups demands are met but not the others do the protests continue?

  • Anonymous

    One of the reasons people take exception to what people post is they make a declarative like “Our local Peace and Justice Center is one of the leaders of the Occupy
    Bangor  movement and they are very anti Israel  and pro Palestine” and back it up with….well nothing.

    Do you have anything links, published statements, etc…that would show your declarative statement to be, in fact true?

  • Anonymous

    There is no reason to expect anything of the sort in Bangor. And if it does happen, you have to lok at the perpetrators that commit/incite the incident before we condemn the people protesting.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder, did you read the decision at all? She was (if it was the same person) a named defendant in a civil lawsuit and being named doesn’t mean you agree with the position of your employer.

    For instance, if someone decided to sue the BPL they would name all of the Board of Trustees you posted above regardless of the public position. So being named in a lawsuit is vastly different from your public utterances.

  • Anonymous

    What is iced creme?

  • Anonymous

    Actually your wrong to say “Every single thing you just said is untrue”. There has been violence in Oakland and Times Square.

    There have been video recordings made of anti-Semitic remarks in LA. A self identified LA “teacher” made such remarks. Now the question which I haven’t heard asked was she a “plant” or was she a “real” teacher and I don’t have the answer to that.

    There have also been people from outside the movement committing crimes on the protesters. Recruiting an underage teenage girl for prostitution in Manchester, a rape that went unreported because the OWS movement wanted to “deal with it”.

    So saying things have not turned ugly in some areas or that statements are untrue when they are doesn’t help anyone’s case.

  • Anonymous

    I believe he just likes the full range of emotion. It makes life great.

  • Anonymous

    Ya. Sure. It is all Ruperts fault.

  • Anonymous

    KayakMomma you have nothing to base that on. Sure they have supporters that are not protesting but to claim “For every one of them there are at least a thousand that would sponsor them” is just plain silly.

  • Anonymous

    Yep the lefties just spinning the truth like usual. Wait until they finish messing up the country and the commies start telling them what to do. They will be camping then.

    Are the tax payers on the hook for the STD tests? Freaks.

  • Anonymous

    Why can’t these OWS types just go and buy their own politicians?

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like another dim wit comment from a clock punching Republican! lol. They are like the chicken who follows colonel Sanders around with the ax, allows thinking that it will not be their turn as soon as they are no longer able to drag the ax.

  • Anonymous

    You’re referring to Glenn Beck, right?  Fox canceled his contract not too long ago.  Apparently he was too offensive even for them.

  • Anonymous

    Well put!

  • Anonymous

    Justice should not and cannot be extorted!

  • Anonymous

    I like that idea.  I also like the idea of making a donation to the library for their support of free speech and peaceable protest.

  • Anonymous

    Trying to control things with money again? Thank you for helping to illustrate the OWS point.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t  necessarily disagree with the Peace and Justice Center stand on the issue ( which you can read on their website or call their director).  Just because you are pro Palestine  doesn’t mean you are anti Semitic .  There are some anti Semitic people at the rallies and that should be a concern, because why are they anti Semitic is it for other reasons?

  • Anonymous

    Book banning still occurs and it really has little to do with “political” parties and more to do with religious dogma.

  • Anonymous

    It’s nice to see  a public entity have a rational response to the Occupy movement.  Thank you to the board for allowing the Occupy’ers to peacefully use their facilities.  And thank you to the Occupy’ers for being civilized and rational in expressing their points of view.  The very American ideals of free expression and assembly seem to be alive and well in Bangor.

  • Anonymous

    I believe that David said just the opposite TrueNative.

  • Anonymous

    And you would know that how?

  • Anonymous

    Right.  Religious factions within the Republican party.

  • Anonymous

    Commies? Who are you, Joe McCarthy? lol. Do you want to bring back the Black Lists? What is there like two communists regimes left in the world? The OWS movement is much closer aligned with Socialism. Not that you would know or care about the differences between the two ideologies. They are all commies to you, Archie bunker, and Rush Limbaugh.

  • Anonymous

    I am very familiar with the story, Barbara Rice McDade was the librarian at the Morristown Library.  She was the one who wanted this man out of the library.  Now to be fair you need to read more about this man and how he sued other businesses and even NJ Transit.  He claimed he was trying to call attention to the plight of the homeless in NJ.  That’s why I think it’s ironic that Barbara Rice McDade is supporting the Occupy Bangor movement.  

  • newportres

    Funny but the same tactics were used on the Tea Party and I don’t remember you ever being sad about it.

  • newportres

    You mean the way you supported the Tea Party?

  • Anonymous

    It’s not denial. It is common sense.

  • newportres

    Without money the OWS crowd would not exist.
    Money is controls everything whether you like it or not.

  • Anonymous

    Not speaking for the whole. Using common sense to address yet another attempt to smear the movement. 

  • newportres

    Neither are the homeless but OWS groups all over the country are excluding them from their areas.
    Something you and the 1% seem to have in common.

  • Anonymous

    I have never commented much one way or another about the Tea Party. It is something that has never interested me enough to talk much about it. 

  • Anonymous

    Classy.

  • Anonymous

    And where is your proof? Do you even know how much money OccupyBangor has raised?

  • Anonymous

    Funny, I first learned it at church camp.

  • Anonymous

    Did you see the picture in the Post the day after the Iraq veteran was nearly killed by the police? No pictures of the police response, just a picture of a police officer petting a kitten,

  • Anonymous

    I’m sure any/all info that you consider unflattering is a “smear”. 

  • newportres

    Is there an archive feature to this forum?
    I wasn’t saying you did or did not say anything in my first post I just said you never  commented on how sad it was when it happened to the tea party, but now that you say you NEVER commented on them one way or the other I would really love to look that up.
    I find it very difficult to believe as hard left as you are.

  • Anonymous

    Wow more insults, someone must be doing something right to have you so upset.

  • Anonymous

    Insults and unfounded accusations are not part of rational arguments.  They take us back to the behavior of schoolchildren.

  • Anonymous

    You are correct newportres. Money does control everything these days. But I remember a time before greed became chic and common sense, decency, and compassion for others ruled the day. We used to settle for an honest profit in this country. Now, the gloves have come off and a killing is the only acceptable outcome. I believe that we all stand naked and broke in front of our creator eventually and this is just a stop over on a greater journey. My conscience is fairly clean! lol.

  • Anonymous

    Another ridiculous character attack from the righties in this forum.  Is that all you can do?  

  • Anonymous

    Another ridiculous character attack from the righties in this forum.  Is that all you can do? 

  • Anonymous

    Your argument:  if you don’t allow someone into your personal space, you don’t care about that person.

    Counterargument:  you can care deeply about someone and not want them in your immediate personal space.  So, your argument fails.

  • Anonymous

    Do you have a reference or link for this?

  • Anonymous

    There will be novels written about it but the bottom line is that they want something for nothing. Like my grandpa used to say “chit in one hand and want in the other and see which one fills up first”. It looks to me like they are the clearest example of american greed. Many rich knew they had to work for their wealth, these guys are so greedy they want it for nothing. Slugs. 

  • Anonymous

    I gave the guy playing the harmonica a buck. He had his hand out like the rest of the OWS but atleast he was working for it by plaing a tune.

  • Anonymous

    They got outbid.

  • Anonymous

    The bottom line is that they want corruption and corporate greed to be addressed. Most in Bangor are hard working, taxpayers who have seen their quality of life decline and the American dream turning into a nightmare. They want equity.

  • Anonymous

    How attractive a sight for our beautiful city.

  • Anonymous

    every fire starts with a spark–revolutions start with a few brave people willing to speak out on what they believe is right, and to spread that belief –to count to any number you must start at “one”.

  • Anonymous

    They should start at the top then and go to the leader of the free world that freed up and begged for 787 billion from you AND ME TO FEED THE WALL STREET BANKS THAT WERE TOO BIG TOO FAIL, gave millins to companies that went toes up, and began running GM (government motors) and on and on. C’mon man, it starts at the top. The top now btw. The OWS marches to 1600 pennsylvania ave. I will grab and sign and march with you.

  • Anonymous

    thats really lame of you don’t you think?

  • Anonymous

    actually I will start donating goods and services thank you very much.

  • Anonymous

    No, but you’re entitled to your opinion. I am sure you will provoke others to respond the way you are hoping the will.

  • Anonymous

    As I recall, people on this board criticized OWS for giving food to the homeless much like Christ would have done. No doubt the carpenter would be standing with OWS.

  • Anonymous

    Ledish served in France when its cold enough in hell for the socialist leaning EU to be economically sustainable.

  • Anonymous

    Nonetheless, driving by that area gives one a sense of disgust for the way it looks on public property.
    Think the library board members and director might be hippies fromt he 60′s?

  • Anonymous

    I said never much.

  • Anonymous

    My guess is all but two.

    But then again, so was I, but I grew out of it.

  • Anonymous

    duhhh… of course the protesters weren’t present after the meeting quote: “Things were relatively quiet around the Occupy Bangor camp on Tuesday afternoon after the board meeting, at which no demonstrators were present”
    -
     - It was the first of the month… they were all out cashing their welfare checks!

    -

  • gaily

    You Occupy people are beating the wrong drum.  If you want to see rich, look at Washington.  Throwing Billions of working class tax payers money away at Green Companies that are going bankrupt and were a bad risk to begin with!  Washington made the rules (loopholes) for the rich to use to begin with.  Washington has the Lobbyists, Lawyers, Money (ours) and are wasting it as fast as they get it!  OCCUPY WASHINGTON.  And, Washington bailed out these Wall St. firms and Banks!!  The rich person is already paying the highest tax of any of us and almost half of this Country pays nothing.  We ALL have to do our share honestly and share the burden not just one class of people.  My personal belief is:  LIMITED GOVERNMENT, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, AND FEWER REGULATIONS THAT STRIP INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM. 

  • http://twitter.com/FullMoonGirl84 Samantha Davis

    I am not sure how this is a “partisan fight” when the movement is not affiliated with *any* political party.  Neither party has truly represented the interests of the 99%.    Did you know that Occupy Bangor also has a letter of support from the Steven and Tabitha King Foundation?  

  • http://twitter.com/FullMoonGirl84 Samantha Davis

    That is a sad misconception.  Most of us have jobs, in some cases, multiple jobs, and the unemployed want to work.  There are not enough jobs.  Even McDonald’s can hire only so many people.  For every single job opening in the Bangor area, there are atleast 200 applicants.

  • Anonymous

    You are the one who brought up political parties.

  • newportres

    You must be very very old!
    I look throughout the history of this country and money has always controlled everything.
    If I go back even further and pick any country that has ever ever existed some form of currency always made some powerful and others less so.
    How old are you exactly?

  • newportres

    Not now he wouldn’t.  
    They are guarding the parks to keep out the people who used to sleep there now.
    Denying them food from their fully supplied kitchens.
    So sad.

  • Anonymous

    Good thing they have Stephen and Tabitha King supporting them isn’t it?

  • Anonymous

    I applaude The Bangor Public Library ! If you don`t have Librarians backing up The First Ammendment , we are in trouble !!

  • Anonymous

    OK….here is their manifesto:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/oct/3/picket-occupy-wall-street-protesters-post-manifest/

    Do you mind telling me what is wrong with it? What part do you NOT agree with? The part you may be referring to is below the demands under POST. Why don’t you click on the ‘website” link and it will tell you the TRUTH. The list of demands you refer to are totally fabricated by FOX.

  • Anonymous

    OK….here is their manifesto:http://www.washingtontimes.com…

    Do you mind telling me what is wrong with it? What part do you NOT agree with? The part you may be referring to is below the demands under POST. Why don’t you click on the ‘website” link and it will tell you the TRUTH. The list of demands you refer to are totally fabricated by FOX.

  • pbmann

    Allowing someone to express their views does not mean you support them.  I think both the Tea Party (whats left of it) and the OWS should be allowed to express their views.  It does notmean I support either one of them.

    Those that are trying to vilify the OWS or stop them form peacebly protesting are scared.  WHy is that?

  • pbmann

    I happen to think they all sound like a good idea to me.

  • Anonymous

    Question – Isn’t the lower entrance to the right (as you look at the BPL) the “Children’s Entrance”?

    If it is, I have to question to statement made by Ms. McDade that “demonstrators have been careful to set up their tents away from the library’s children’s area. As the tents are on both sides of the walkway leading to that entrance.”

  • Anonymous

    Nice slam.  Anything relevant to the conversation to add?  I guess not.  Go ahead, you underestimate this movement by empty attacks, right wing style.  Any substantive comments?  Any thoughts of your own at all? 

  • pbmann

    Most Tea Party events aree less than 30 and they only came out for a couple hours and were sometimes bused in.

  • Anonymous

    Grass roots movements cannot possibly compete with corporate interests in terms of available funds for bribery.  It shouldn’t be this way.  We need clean elections if we want responsive government.  Get the damned money out.  This has grown into an existential threat to our democracy.

  • pbmann

    Amazing how all these 1%ers read and responsd to the BDN.  I would understand it if they were responding to the WSJ but the BDN?

  • Anonymous

    luvGSDI think you reading glasses are a bit dirty this morning. I said, “Book banning still occurs and it really has little to do with “political” parties and more to do with religious dogma.”

    My post specifically excluded political parties from the book banning carried out by religious groups.

  • Anonymous

    This is a quandry because very often the behaviors of those who have no place to live are the very ones being used by those who mock the Occupiers as drug users, mentally unstable, etc. It does need discussion.

  • pbmann

    The NY Post is a garbage rag and it is too funny you are using it as a source for anyting.

  • Anonymous

    I am working on that. We will see what comes of it. Check out the Occupy Bangor website in the days ahead. Amazing what the internet can do.

  • pbmann

    I looks more like the police barricades put up caused the business to lay off 21 workers

  • Anonymous

    So when a judge rules against the Occupiers s/he will be what?

  • Anonymous

    YES!I will happily help out the BPL and Occupy any way I can.Nice to see the phone calls go 30 for 30.Smart Mainers who know the constitution should be PROUD!

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I asked for a boycott of Walmart a long time ago. Have persuaded a few to shop elsewhere. Either you are part of the problem or part of the solution.It is called walking the talk.

  • Anonymous

    There are demonstrations in DC as well.And there’s a big distinction to be made between rich PEOPLE and rich CORPORATIONS.Both can afford to work around the laws or write new ones.The average person doesn’t have that except through their unions if they even have that.And for the tea partiers who yap about personal freedom,etc-That goes out the window with most when it comes to abortion(Exception:Ron Paul and a few others)Certainly not Bachmann and other fakes like her.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe his free meds from the free clinic haven’t kicked in yet.

  • Anonymous

    What does Occupy Bangor want?  I would venture to say the same as the other Occupy protests.  No bailouts, ending too big to fail, taking representative democracy back from corrupting corporate interests, governing for our shared future….Does that help? 

    This movement is not supposed to write legislation.  We have a congress for that.  This is to change the national dialog and framing of issues from the corporate agenda of austerity, tax cuts for the rich, and dismantling social safety nets towards a conversation about equal access to opportunity, responsive governance and sanity in the regulation of financial markets.

    We ended up with Occupy because the corporate sponsored laws and embedded policies have failed miserably, yet the media offers no alternative points of view.  We only talk about the failed ideas as options.  That needs to change.  Since big corporations influence the content of news because they own all of the major outlets and have their own agendas, the people need to find a way to voice dissent and offer alternatives.  The people will not be silenced.

    The social engineering enabled by media ownership concentration has been at work for many years now.  It has finally gotten broad enough that there is no mainstream voice that the policies we are implementing are failing, have failed and will continue to fail the people.  They benefit the very rich only at the expense of the rest of us.  This is unamerican and anti-capitalistic.  We are not an imperial oligarchy, we are a democracy.  Lobbying has become so powerful, our collective voice is gone.  We have two entrenched parties to chose from and they are both corrupt.  Voting is not a vehicle for real change as things stand today.

    Republicans support socializing corporate losses resulting from risky behavior through bailouts.  Democrats take money and water down legislation intended to make the financial markets sound.  There are no real options here.  That is why there is Occupy.  Get used to them.  They will be among us for many years to come.  It has come to this.  It had to be this or violent rebellion to gain attention.  This is the better course, to be sure.

  • pbmann

    Wow Chris B and his organization and Cheesecake are taking away their donations and services because the library is allowing peaceable assembly of American citizens. They are going to boycott the library for honoring the First Amendment Right of Peaceable Assembly. 

    I wonder what other constitutionally protected rights they disagree with?

  • Anonymous

    Also,OWS is being infiltrated.Not a surprise,Read about NYC cops sending the homeless,druggies and mentally ill to Zuccotti Park to cause trouble.Koch must’ve called Bloomberg.

  • Anonymous

    And those driving by honking in support feel exactly the opposite. You can have your feelings of disgust. Others are feeling delighted and savor the air of free speech and empowerment that pervades the park. Breathe deep. You may be able to relieve yourself of some of that nasty disgust you are carrying around.

  • Anonymous

    I think the OWS people are targeting corruption, whether in the private or the government sector.  In this sense, they do want to police the government. 

    As for the richest people paying more taxes, keep in mind that their income has quadrupled  over the last few decades–while the rest of us sink or stagnate.  If they are taxed more, then income is still going up compared to the rest of us.

    To put this in perspective, more taxes on them would only mean they can buy two extra yachts (made in foreign countries) instead of four.  Much of their money gets put into savings where it doesn’t help stimulate the economy.  Currently, the big banks are sitting on trillions, doing nothing with them.

    Also, huge corporations are paying zero in taxes:

    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ad-lib/2011/apr/10/tax-evaders-wall-shame/

  • newportres

    So Bangorian has multiple user names?

  • Anonymous

    Incisive!

  • Anonymous

    A 100% approval rating by the phone calls is not duress.I will be happy to call the library and add my support today.

  • Anonymous

    And the TP is just jealous because the type of real American support is what they never got and never will get.Nobody brought them pizza.They were well funded by convicted criminals from Day One(DeLay,Armey) and won’t admit it.

  • Anonymous

    These are not demands. The are points of consensus reached at Occupy Assemblies: http://occupybangor.org/join-us . On the left side. And, Occupy Bangor speaks for itself, not other Occupy sites. You can see that they have chosen to express themselves with ‘we support or reject’ statements. I like that approach.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent point!It amazes me how people have voted against their own interests for the last three decades of Reagan and Bush X2

  • Anonymous

    Not true.  They want what our parents promised us was possible in America.  They want the ability to work hard and have something to show for it.  The ability to work hard and have security that they will have enough to provide for their children’s needs.  Hard working Americans everywhere are suffering with job loss resulting in foreclosure, stagnating wages even when their employer is doing well, reduced access to health care.  In short, the American Dream is not a reality anymore.

    These corporate friendly laws we have passed have eroded that dream, bit by bit.  We did not notice it was happening until the devastation was ubiquitous.  We are now arguing about the need for more deregulation.  Why is that?  Haven’t we been deregulating the financial industry for the last dozen years?  Hasn’t it become more unstable?  Haven’t the bailouts been obscene enough?  If we have too big to fail now, what happens when we remove even more safeguards? 

    Your grandfather lived in an America with smart rules that promoted capitalism and as a result opportunity.  That America is gone, neighbor.  Capitalism has been  replaced by a protected plutocracy.  There is no mobility left for working people.  The top are insulated and will demand more bailouts later when they bet big on the next scam.  Last time it was subprime mortgages.  Next time, who knows.  They are working on the next caper now.   

    Your attacks are misguided and you argue against your own best interest.  You fail to understand what has been done to you and how to prevent it.  Sad.

  • Anonymous

    Of course they would.  Did you hear reports of police interfering with Tea protests? 

  • pbmann

    If you are inplying that I am Bangorian you would be mistaken.  Why is it that when some people start to lose an argumetn they either change the subject or resort to name calling?

    Why are the 1%ers spending so much time trying to defame the OWS, how scared are they?

  • Anonymous

    ME TOO!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Once again a misunderstooder. There is no want something for nothing here. In fact they Occupy to protest the handouts corporations ask for and get. Once you are at the point of  approaching wealthy you depend upon the people who work for you create your wealth. No one creates wealth alone. Indeed, your idea for a businesses created your wealth, but your ‘hard work’ did not. You put your idea to work and may even have had to have a second job until you became sustainable. But wealth?, no. What created it was the consumer and the worker. Without either you could not acquire wealth.

  • Anonymous

    I call on everyone who supports the library’s decision contact them in support and if you can,to give to them TODAY.Any amount or donation will be of help to them and/or OB/OWS.They will have more badly needed money than they would’ve before this.And Chris, you are ignoring the Constitutional rights to freedom of assembly and free speech except where it suits you.Maybe a new immigrant would know more and support the Founders!

  • newportres

    I asked Bangorian:
    “You mean the way you supported the Tea Party?”
    You said:
    “Allowing someone to express their views does not mean you support them.  I think both the Tea Party (whats left of it) and the OWS should be allowed to express their views.  It does notmean I support either one of them.”
    Kind of looks like you forgot to clear your cookies before posting this time and showed one of your other names.
    Just saying.

  • Anonymous

    I do agree with you. It is a collusion. Not at all sure why our representatives in Congress voted on that bailout. They are seeing the repercussions of that decision come back to haunt them.

  • Anonymous

    Good question. This is a very young movement. No way to predict in what direction it will go.

  • Anonymous

    It all started with “Greed is good”A few of the wealthy(Buffett,Gates,etc)care about their fellow man.When Bill Gates dies he will be more remembered for improving lives than for what he invented.What do you think Ken Lay or Dennis Kozlowski will be remembered for?I don’t want to go where they’re going.

  • Anonymous

    The reason is that Occupy is about fairness and republicans and democrats hate bailouts and favoritism under law.  The reason republicans do not identify with Occupy in large numbers is due to the monolithic media treatment conservative sources offer.  Fox and Limbaugh dismiss this as a hippy movement.  If you let them think for you, you hate Occupy.  If you listen to what the protesting is about, it is attractive to many more.

    Fairness and equal opportunity for hard working people is not liberal or conservative. 

    Capitalism is not the occupiers enemy, it is corporate welfare and the destructive power of money in politics.  When Chase and Citigroup had Brinks trucks full of legal tender backing up to their offices, did they have remorse for making bad decisions that disrupted the economy?  Did they declare a new day and that they had learned the error of their ways?  No!  They said “you can drop that money here and we will make good use of it”.    Good use indeed.  Bonuses on top of bonuses.  And this for having failed at doing their jobs well. 

    This is obscene and hard working people resent what the banks set up for themselves.  We do not get a bonus for failure.  We get fired and then we are on our own.  They need to play by the same rules. 

    Without Occupy, they will decide what rules get made, and it won’t be favorable to working people, I promise that.

  • Anonymous

    Sadly unlikely.Most of themn are bought and paid for by the right.Look up Boehner passing out tobacco checks.The very few honest ones(Sanders,Wasserman-Schultz, Elizabeth Warren(support her candidacy!),Kucinich,Feingold and the late Sen.Kennedy)are real American heroes

  • Anonymous

    What are you talking about?  Specifics.  Sensational stuff you are suggesting.  Any basis in fact?

  • Anonymous
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jay-Ellingsen/1683146356 Jay Ellingsen

    I’m sure the library directors will afford the same consideration to Tea Partiers in the future if need be.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. The largest campaign fundraiser in the history of this country was OBAMA. Esimates are that he will raise 1B (billion) dollars for his 2012 bid. That is big corporate money going his way.

  • Anonymous

    National Banned Books Week is commemorated every year.This year it was from 8/24 to 9/1.And it’s always the right that wants to ban things.I despise the fact that my tax dollars buy Coulter’s books but I would rather walk right past them collecting dust on library shelves than prohibit them.

  • Anonymous

    As long as they don’t spit on African Americans and leave their GLOCK’s at home.

  • Anonymous

    The problem is infiltration-a tactic already used by the TP in 2009.Already cases exist of people being brought in to cause trouble.The Koches are no fools.

  • Anonymous

    I will be voting Yes and glad to see you and many others are with me.Polls indicate it will pass.Interestingly,I was push polled by an R poller.Too bad I didn’t record their “questions.”

  • Anonymous

    I paid them very well for their effort. I forced noboday to work for me. Our labor agreement is “at will” as that is the State of Maine policy. I can fire them at will and they can quit at will. No slave labor here. I adore many of my employees and the will tell you that. I want my companies to be successful so I can better the life of my family and theirs. There is a lot of satisfaction in that. I am no better than them. They could have taken on the risk, work load (I am the hardest worker in the company BTW) and made the same sacrifices I did. They still can today if they wish and many times in the past they have and been very successful. I have on more then one occasion hired, trained, and provided the financial resources for my competition. They have gone on to be very wealthy. I am not complaining that is the American way.

  • Anonymous

    That is totally wrong. I think you libs should have a state wide referendum and in the meantime kick them off public property . Just maybe they are interfering with other peoples rights? Ah but you people don’t think about that  do you?

  • Anonymous

    Notice how the Murdoch story was crushed in the so called liberal media.People think all he owns is FOX since that is his cash cow.His reach is very long.

  • Anonymous

    tea partiers are the only ones packing heat? you live in a different world than most of BB. i think all the obummer supporters have packed heat since he was elected. you cant even think in your own mind about spitting or thinking something nice about anyone outside the wasp unit without going to jail.

  • Anonymous

    Funny thing is,Carroll O’Connor was a staunch defender of American freedom who originally refused the Bunker role as he was supposed to go on Broadway at the time.I wish he and George Carlin were here to see this.

  • Anonymous

    Could someone point out the plank in the Republican Platform that says “We believe in banning books”?

    And your very statement GP tells me that given the opportunity you would ban a book you didn’t agree with. “I despise the fact that my tax dollars buy Coulter’s books”.

    I have never purchased a book written by Ms. Coulter. They are of no interest to me. Neither would something written by Stephanie Miller or Ed Schultz. But I wouldn’t “despise” my tax dollar going to purchase them.

    Nor do I believe in modifying books written in one time period to remove words that are now offensive. Two recent examples that come to mind are Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn. Some people want to remove words and make them more PC for modern readers. I find that just as offensive as religious groups wanting to ban certain books from public libraries.

  • Anonymous

    Untrue. You think that the American Dream is over. You whine that you didn’t get what your parents promised. Times have changed and some have changed with it and made a fortune. Corporations hire people, not the homeless, hopeless, or unemployed. You want more jobs, support the local businesses and corporations that do and can create them. Or you can sit back and complain to the world about the good ole’ days. I could care less either way.

  • Anonymous

    you nailed it muffin and anyone denying this can’t show proof to rebut .hahaha what a group of losers and slackers

  • Anonymous

    you just said it lib. right wing attacks on left wing socialists.

  • Anonymous

    Mother Jones published an article that said exactly that.Only difference was they focused on the TP splinter groups(a splinter of a splinter?)who were not funded by big conservative money.

  • Anonymous

    where are the slackers relieving themselves??

  • Anonymous

    Hey, if you and I can agree then anything is possible…right?

    I wonder what the percentages are democrats to republicans with this OWS business. I personally know there are republicans involved with the movement. Just curious.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for being there and for all who have supported them.I’d love to see who’s donated to them so I can support those businesses!

  • Anonymous

    Does OWS Bangor Brigade exist because Slum Dog Obama just appointed Verizon pimp Ajit Varadaraj Pai to become a FCC Commissioner?
    Maybe it is because Verizon allows taxpayer funded FBI agents to listen in on OWS
    in Bangor, eh? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr5r9UnIiT4

    Former DOJ Official Nominated as FCC Commissioner
    By
    Samuel Knight | November 1, 2011
    see link for full story   http://www.mainjustice.com/2011/11/01/former-doj-official-nominated-as-fcc-commissioner/President Barack Obama nominated Ajit Varadaraj Pai, a former Justice Department official, as a commissioner on the Federal Communications Commission.

    He  worked for Verizon Communications Inc. as associate general counsel from 2001 until 2003.

  • Anonymous

    every welfare case out there has their own agenda.

  • Anonymous

    One of the problems I see are divergent messages coming from OWS in different areas of the country. Different messages will cause this movement to collapse of its own weight. At least with the Tea Party movement they had a central message that was common across all groups. OWS doesn’t have that at this point and has publicly stated that each group decides the message they put out in their area.

    That will be a problem moving forward.

  • Anonymous

    You make a very good point.

  • Anonymous

    Wow.Just incredible but not surprising.Thanks for the info.

  • Anonymous

    Here is an easy way to remember it.4mer Mainer is who we need to come back to this state!

  • Anonymous

    exactly!

  • Anonymous

    They should charge them $10 rent per day. Help support the library.

  • Anonymous
  • pbmann

    Again, I am not Bangorian nor am I answering for Bangorian.  I jumped into this thread to voice MY opinion on whether OWS or the Tea Party should be able to peacefully protest. 

    Again Why are the 1%ers so scared?

    Answer the question regardless of who you THINK I am.

  • pbmann

    Besides ahving multiple names is more a conservative thing to make it look like their beliefs are more popular they they are.

  • Anonymous

    It’s GLOCK

  • Anonymous

    nearly died laughing when I read stuff like this. go on now with ur lil group an its funding.

  • Anonymous

    I am absolutely in agreement with your point about the Twain controversy.Those books are banned somewhere every year.To use another example,John Lennon recorded a song called”Woman is the N—- Of the World.”and I had to censor THAT word to get this posted.
    And you are correct-there is no such “plank”However it is church groups and people like Donald Wildmon and the AFA,among others,who run around stomping on free speech.I am sure you will find they are mostly right wing funded.
    And I have had the opportunity to sign petitions,etc to have books like Coulter’s etc.excluded for sale from Amazon,etc.I have NOT and would NOT ever sign them.I worked in a large bookstore.Only one book could not be ordered by instruction of the owner.”The Anarchist Cookbook”as his lawyer had told him he might be liable for anything occurring from his sale of it.In the five plus years I worked there I do not ever remember anyone asking for it.So goes the marketplace.
    I don’t recognize the name Stephanie Miller.I will look it up.Thanks for the tip and your reply.

  • Anonymous

    lol so you an ur lil group had such high esteems for this institution that you donated millions and now that they sided with OWS, all the good that comes from the library and all its endeavors that once pleased you and your lot are just tossed out the window. Gimme a break.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for the correction

  • Anonymous

    You people make it up as you go along and rewrite history. In this day and age everything is recorded and provable. When Rep Lewis was spit at nobody went to jail. If you need proof of that look it up. 

  • Anonymous

    Very few have opportunities. You can resist that fact all you want. Bad policies have taken hold. We will reject them. We will create a voice for effective change. We will make that happen. You will benefit whether you admit it or not. We will succeed in spite of you and those like you who assume that your party is the word of God and infallible. True capitalism is dead. We will bring it back. It is a powerful force, when it is not perverted by plutocrats. You handle indicates that you are a kool aid drinker anyway. Suffice it to say, you brain is already a casualty of the right wing.

  • Anonymous

    They do that all the time. Maybe when one lies themself, they think others do too. Some people try to be truthful.

  • Anonymous

    Psssst , Lambie Pie. Stick your retina a little closer to the screen.
    What 1st amendment rights?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_Awareness_Program

  • Anonymous

    most of these people probly never set foot in a library after highschool.

  • Anonymous

    That one never is.

  • Anonymous

    You noticed too!

  • Anonymous

    your too funny. keep it up you got them shaking in their boots.

  • Anonymous

    Yes!  Have always supported that library and certainly will continue to!!

  • Anonymous

    Most certainly it is the religious fundamentalists….and most people know they are in great numbers, Republican. (abortion, gay marriage….)  One would have to have their head buried in the sand to not see that. It has been going on for some time.

  • Anonymous

    No!

  • Anonymous

    they dont give out welfare checks anymore dummy. its all electronic.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SHNOU64ZBOBIKWUF5IM6WSH7WA entitled4life
  • Anonymous

    I lived in this area in New Jersey and remember it well. Richard Kreimer the man who sued the library is well known throughout the state for his lawsuits. In August 2011 he filed his 18th lawsuit. He has made nearly $400,000 off  his lawsuits. He is an intelligent man, in his 60′s now and was brought up in a wealthy manner. He chooses to be homeless. I believe he tried once to get an apartment with his winnings but he prefers the homeless lifestyle. This proves nothing against the director of the Library in Bangor. All these facts are found if you google Richard Kreimer.

  • newportres

    I don’t believe the real 1%ers are scared.  I have yet to see one multi-millionaire even take note of your rabble (I mean other than the ones that are paying you to be a rabble).
    There are of course people like myself out there who object to the principles of communism that your crowd represents but I don’t think objecting is the same as fear.
    There are also those of us who have had to pay for permits to protest while for some reason your group seems to be exempt from that law.  We find that to be quite unfair and that is why we will make sure the liberals who make exceptions for those who speak their version of spin will not be elected to represent us.
    There are those who object to your claiming to represent them (99%).
    You would be hardpressed to claim you represent 10% of us and since you kick out the homeless trying to take shelter with you, you may not even represent 10%.
    I see lots of objections to your claims but not a lot of fear.

  • newportres

    You been caught Bangorian.
    Best thing to do is let it drop and hope people forget.
    You could of course stop using this multi-name here.

  • Anonymous

    yes its very interesting that many of the 1%rs stand tall with the 99%rs
    http://westandwiththe99percent.tumblr.com/

  • pbmann

    Since you appear to have made up your mind with no evidence to support you there is no sense in arguing with you about who I am.  I, however, am using my initials because I will stand behind everything I say unlike you, someone who has to hide behind an anomynous name. 

    I wonder how many psuudonyms you use on various forums?

  • newportres

    Really the only place I post sine it is my local paper.
    As for your most recent change in names (AGAIN) congrats.
    You’re up to 3 and nothing you have done so far shows this to be anything more than a handle the same as I use.
    Thing is you have more of them.
    At least the name Bangorian gave you some appearance of being a local.

  • Anonymous

    Good for you!  I use parts of my name as well, and had to change once or twice for disqus issues, as is documented by BDN moderators.
    Good post!!

  • Jim Fields

    how much of a tool do you have to be to pay for permits to protest? The concept is “civil disobedience.”  If you’re paying for permits, you are no longer disobeying.  The less police conflict a protest results in, the more of a failure it is.  For proof, look to the 1960s civil rights movement or the Arab Spring- nobody there was applying for “permits.”

  • Anonymous

    As I posted already I too am from NJ and remember the case.  I do find it  a bit ironic is that Richard Kreimer too wanted to address the needs of homeless, however Barbara Rice MaDade didn’t want this stinky, obnoxious, homeless person in the Morristown library (Morristown is extremely well to do area).  Yet, she is willing to pander to the Occupy Bangor crowd. I wonder how Richard Kreimer feels about Mrs. McDade now?

  • Jim Fields

    Capitalism is built on greed, and hierarchy necessitates corruption. You can’t oppose a part without opposing the whole. OWS can’t be painted by a broad stroak- some want capitalist reforms, others oppose capitalism as a whole, and others want any number of things that I’m not entitled to espouse for them.

  • Anonymous

    I think Richard Kreimer should come up to Bangor he would fit right in with the occupy Bangor crowd.http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2005/04/richard_kreimer.html

  • newportres

    I have no problem with civil disobedience and I also have no problem with the Police teargassing you and shooting you with rubber bullets when you will not disperse.
    When your civil disobedience adversely effects our lives you do not make us your fans or get us to support your cause.
    In NY the same sort of lowlifes are costing good people their jobs.
    Do you think those people now support your cause?

  • Anonymous

    You know I’ve wondered the same thing,  

  • Anonymous

    I would be curious did Mrs McDade allow the Occupy Bangor to stay before she went to the board or did she bring it to them later.  I believe in NJ she asked Mr. Kreimer to leave, because patrons were complaining, then she got the backing of the board.

  • pbmann

    hehe, my bad I thougth when I changed by profile it would keep the original login name but include my real name in my profile.  I am new to discus thing.

    I am as much alocal as you are if you live where you claim to.  I am 13 miles from Newport and 33 miles from Bangor so If I am not a locel then neither are you.

    You are just showing your intransience now in not believing that Bangorian and I are not the same person.  this argument is over because I refused to argue with someone who does not know what he or she is talking about in regards to who I am.  I have a feeling facts are never something that you rely on in making your assumptions.

  • Anonymous

    I do believe the $10,000.00 offer made to anyone that can provide video or audio of any Tea Party member “spitting” on African Americans remains uncollected.

  • Anonymous

    “In this day and age everything is recorded and provable.”

    You are absolutly correct and I do believe the $10,000.00 offer made to anyone that can provide video or audio of any Tea Party member “spitting” on African Americans remains uncollected.

  • Anonymous

    Ah yes Wiki the authoritative resource every researcher uses as a primary source when doing legitimate research on any topic.

  • Anonymous

    good for you, momma. thanks for joining our little discussion group

  • Anonymous

    re: tea party, i think they are divided as ‘libertarian’ does not jive with ‘social conservative’.  But, I do see both parties effected by the populist movements of Occupy and the Tea Party.

    looks like the country is getting back to basics re: civic involvement.  good for us!

  • Anonymous

    “Very few have opportunities” because very few chase their dreams.

    My wife started her own company (not a “home” based “party business”) approximately 4 years ago. It has grown every year since she opened it and she has expanded it twice already. Granted, it is not large enough to replace my income but every year she get closer.

    Starting a small business during this economic times is risky at best but if people want the “American Dream” it is still there for those that want to try.

  • Anonymous

    Another declarative statement with no source to back it up.

  • Anonymous

    Here is  another example of something that was mentioned above; 

    “Shop owners on the outskirts of where these ill mannered slobs are camping out are having a tough time getting decent people to come to their businesses and do things, like eat for instance in the case of this one cafe.”

    lynne14 1 hour ago in reply to SpruceDweller

    Maybe when one lies themself, they think others do too. Some people try to be truthful.

    This article specifically says that the BPL is happy, so far, and business is up, too, doesn’t it ?

  • Anonymous

    You have to be who what the authoritarian says you are
    … otherwise she will have to deal with the topic. 

    Authoritarianism means never having to think … so never thinking you might be wrong.    

    But it is a dilemma.If you stand up to it you are dragged down … into their childish  gutter,
     but if it’s ignored, it serves it propaganda purposes.

      Recognizing Propaganda–Guide to Critical Thinking–Academic … 

    academic.cuesta.edu/acasupp/as/404.htm

  • Jim Fields

    Who’s losing their jobs as a result of the protesters? And why are the protests resulting in these jobs being lost?

  • Anonymous

    “I don’t believe the real 1%ers are scared.”
    Good point.
    It is just their stooges that are. 

  • Anonymous

    It’s a cause and affect relationship pbmann. No protest = no barriers.

    From the article:

    “In June, he opened the New York branch of the Boston shop, which has a 30 year history. Epstein says he leased the space on Wall Street because it was next to a pedestrian plaza – and his was the only restaurant along that plaza.”

    ““Everything was going in the right direction. Sales continued to grow. We started to build our catering business. Costs were going down. I felt that by October or November we would break even.””

    “Then the Occupy Wall Street movement launched.”

    “Six or seven weeks of marches and occasional clashes between police and protesters. So the barricades have remained in place.”

    ““The end result of it is that it completely destroyed the pedestrian traffic on Wall Street. Completely destroyed it,” Epstein said. “It is a desolate, police-controlled area.””

    ““We eliminated 21 positions in the company,” Epstein said. “First time in 30 years I’ve laid anybody off.””

    “However, Epstein doesn’t lay all the blame at the feet of Occupy Wall Street.”

    ““I think this is an issue of both Occupy Wall Street and the city officials. There’s protest and how you react to protest,” Epstein said. “If the barriers do not come down, I do not see how we can survive. This has got to become like America again. You have to be free to walk around.””

    Sounds like there is plenty of blame to go around. And if OWS is about small business whey aren’t they filling the seats and helping him out?

  • Anonymous

    Much like you.

  • Anonymous

    The concept of standing in witness has a long history, 
    but it’s both too little understood, and much hated.

    There is little to done besides change your evil ways 
    when your critics only tell others;
    ” Just watch them and you’ll see why what they do
    is not in your best interest.” 

    The Occupy America Movement has already changed 
    the political discussion. 
     
    As was said above :

    Davidvsgoliath 15 hours ago in reply to countyguy2010

    Libraries and Librarians have always be the Greatest defenders of the first amendment.
    They are some of our Greatest Patriots…
      
    AND, THEY GET HOW STANDING WITNESS WORKS.

  • PabMainer

    Be careful, there are some on here that consistently claim Wiki as their unbiased source of truth…..while belittling anyone who posts a comment using Fox News as their respective resource…..

  • Anonymous

    But wasn’t it the National Enquirer that broke the Senator John Edwards story when no other traditional “media” outlet would touch it. And it turned out to be completely true too.

  • Anonymous

    Yes…very interesting.

    “My grandfather made $$$ selling things to the US Army. (and/but I love him very much). I am so grateful that i don’t need to worry about debt (college & grad school), health care, or my future stability.  I have way more than I need because of imperialism, war, and white privilege (and apparently I don’t know how to spell)! Tax me! I am the 1%, I stand with the 99%! ”

    You “have way more than” than you “need because” your grandfather worked hard. Here’s a suggestion, write a check to a soup kitchen.
    ~~~~~
    “When I was 18 my father won $9 million in the California lottery. With that money I now have no college debt. When my father dies I will inherit a 3rd of his money. I am committed to using it to help those less fortunate. Due to sheer luck, I am the 1%. I stand with the 99%.”

    Good for you.
    ~~~~~
    “Our family has vastly more than we need.  The economic successes on both sides of my family have been the result of an economic structure tied to racism (my Jewish relatives assimilated into white culture and therefore benefited from racism; my white Christian relatives benefited from white racism and then hoarded their wealth).  Tax me MORE, tax my parents MORE, tax my grandparents’ estate MORE. I am the 1%. I stand with the 99%. ”

    I don’t even know what to say.
    ~~~~~
    “I made more than I need after 12 years of hard work. Now I’m giving back but I can’t do it on my own. I need government to help redistribute my wealth. Tax me! I am the 1%, I stand with the 99%.”

    You “Can’t do it own your own”? You worked hard and now you “need government to help redistribute my wealth”? Seriously, you don’t know how to help others and require the government to do it for you? Wow

  • Anonymous

    “They want more freebies and they don’t want to work.”

    Shouldn’t  single young people stand aside and let  people with small children get the few jobs available as a “real American family values”  thingie ?

  • Jim Fields

    Sounds like the problem is more the police barricades and occupation than the smelly poor people.  I share your sympathy for restaurant/store owners in the area whose businesses have been hurt by the protests. But how can one stage a protest without these negative side effects ? Are you arguing that the potential loss of business to local establishments is enough of a detriment that people shouldn’t engage in political protest?

  • Anonymous

    What does this have to do with allowing OWS to camp on the grounds of the BPL?

  • Anonymous

    Sure thing Rexster… we live in a capitalist republic where we are free to pursue our hopes, dreams and liberties.  Quasi-Bolivarianist  fiscal government ideology is brilliant if you want to stay home smokin’ mary jane and remonstrate how wicked successful persons are [the very one’s paying out the welfare to ya].  If you wish to do so, have at it.  Simply stay out of my way so I can get to the office and earn my share of your government check for ya.  - That’s my constructive observation.  Nitpicking is more fun though ;)

  • Anonymous

    That makes sense.  Too many of the 1% probably got ticked off that they couldn’t do any banking on the 1st of the month.  It’s all very clear now.

  • Anonymous

    Sure JD.  Religious dogma as it relates to book burning has little to do with politics, i.e. First Amendment rights. And that would be on what planet? It’s called the Religious Right for good reason.

  • Anonymous

    Gee Whiz…

    For the following statements, please sit down. I don’t want you to hurt yourself when I tell you I know Democrats that are Pro-Life. Gosh that must be such a shock to you.

    I also know Democrats that take offense when “art exhibits” desecrate the image of Christ on a Cross.

    The Republicans do not hold the corner on religious conservatism. There are many Democrats that do not believe in all aspects of the party but believe in enough of it to maintain allegiance to the Democrat Party.

    And again, I must have missed the plank in the Republican Platform that says “go out and burn/ban books that you do not agree with”.

    I also know Democrats that supported SSM. Just as I know many Republicans that supported it too.

    Banning books is not about one political party.

    Thinking people realize that religion does not have a strangle on any one party.

  • Anonymous

    Wow, that reply was dripping with condescension. I would have thought better of you. Anyway, there are no Democrats who advocate to restrict or revoke the civil rights of others based on their personal beliefs.  None.  Not a single one.

    You misspoke when you stated you know Democrats who are Pro-Life. Pro-Life means Anti-Choice and they want to repeal Roe v. Wade. If these people you say you know are anti-choice and wish to repeal Roe v. Wade then they are not Democrats.

  • Anonymous

    But who exactly is : “”The Sovereign People’s Movement”, Sally  ? 

    If fact what you posted is  just “a proposed list from an OWS supporter in their forum” isn’t it, really ? 

    The discussion of needing a “manifesto” and a list demands, to present to people who have stated that they need not, nor will they, compromise as  a function of their political principles is just folly, isn’t it  ?  
    So there is none. 

    The movement is just people standing witness to the fact that are no solutions being proposed by anyone.  

    Functionally, the point can explained as being; if Wall St. and Congress can’t be trusted not to crash and burn the world capitalist system,
    (as it is happening AGAIN right now in the EU), 
    why should  a bunch of people, that are called names like….  
    be expected to have the answers when the whole conservative establishment does not ? 

    I think that the right answer to the question:
    “but what do they want … what are the protesters’ demands “ 
    should be as simple as what are your solutions, boss ? 

    Remember, if the Tea Party, the Party of NO,  will not compromise, as a matter of their principles,
    then it is classy, non-violent non-co-operation to not just not set the agenda for them.  Who can’t understand that ?

    Make them  set one, beyond more tax cuts for the wealthy.
    Make them set an agenda , make them propose some solutions, 
    that don’t have a record of such dismal failure, already.

  • Anonymous

    Money that stays to home goes round and round before going to the top. 
    It makes me sad that the idea of how all the benefits of buying local apply
     to alternative energy, too, but the discussion is too shill to express that. 

  • Anonymous

    But the big tent does need to sweep and aired out. 

    How come there’s so little note of the fact that Governah is NOT a Republican, 
    and in fact ran against the GOP candidate ? 

    Why can Tea Pratrayers decide who is a RINO, now ? 

    Has the Maine GOP Committee  no loyalty or values to the Party faithful, anymore ?

  • Anonymous

    They might well be influencing the President of Greece.  : ) 

  • Anonymous

    Did they tap any phones ? 

  • Anonymous

    Stop drinking the tea, too, ya Tories. 

  • Anonymous

    Is it non-violent non-co-operation to encourage them to express and so expose their hatred, in  forums like this ? 

    I tend to think so, but care needs taken, to show them some love, sometimes, too. 
    They really hate that. 

    LOL 

  • Anonymous

    But David, how can a public protest  turn anyone, even agent provocateurs and law enforcement infiltrators,  away ? 

    I agree with you to a point, but your credibility would go up if you had suggested that it just like the problem the Tea Party has being  so favored  by Fox and all the other Murdoch outlets… and so with their oil rich Arab partners. 

  • Anonymous

    You know what the problem is with sweeping general statements luvGSD? They are always wrong.

    “Democrats For Life of America”

    http://democratsforlife.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1

    Kristen Day—is the Executive Director of Democrats For Life of America and oversees all operations of the Washington, D.C. office. One of her passions was working to pass pro-life and pro-family legislation and also advocated for Democrats who oppose abortion. Working for the Democratic Co-Chair of the Bi-partisan House Pro-life Caucus, Kristen set up a whip operation to alert pro-life democrats when important pro-life votes were going to come on the Floor or in Committee.

    Day’s articles have been published in the Harvard Crimson, the National Review and other Publications. She is the author of Democrats For Life: Pro-Life Politics and the Silenced Majority published by New Leaf Press in July, 2006.  The book outlines the the history of the pro-life Democrat movement.  She was published in the 2006 Notre Dame Journal on Law and Public Policy with a piece entitled, “Politics and the Culture of Life-Why I am Still a Democrat.”

    Board of Directors

    Janet Robert, President – Janet owns a radio station in Minnesota and produces Air America. Janet is the founder of the Minnesota Chapter of Democrats for Life.

    Lois Kerschen – Lois Kerschen is one of the founders of Democrats for Life of America. Currently, she serves as the State Chapter Coordinator and is President of Democrats for Life of Texas. Lois has attended nearly every Democratic State Convention since 1972 and has often served as a precinct chair and election judge.

  • Anonymous

    I am not david.  (maybe you meant to post above)  

    I will take this time to add this comment, though.  It seems like everyone is picking on poor David.  Ease up!  It should be an inclusive tent, not an exclusive one.

    peace.
    stg

  • Anonymous

    So are you the real Tea Party spokesperson , Chris ? 

    And you saying that Tea Party official position is that the OWS people ( and the union ones, too, I might think) are “filth” . 

    What your real Tea Party final solution to filth like this ? 

    [ see why one might think spokespersons and manifestos are not always productive ? ; ) ] 

    ROTFLOL

  • Anonymous

    What????

  • Anonymous

    Call in a drone attack on the BPL, for harboring opinions.

  • Anonymous

    OMG.  Is that your friend?  From the 2008 Democratic Party platform:
    “The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v.
    Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless
    of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or
    undermine that right. The Democratic Party also strongly supports access
    to comprehensive affordable family planning services and
    age-appropriate sex education which empower people to make informed
    choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care
    and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and
    thereby also reduce the need for abortions.”

  • Anonymous

    The “world worker’s party” (sic) does not want to work?

    Erm…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jay-Ellingsen/1683146356 Jay Ellingsen

    They never made a point of camping out in public places.

  • Anonymous

    “Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.”

    From a revolutionary, 2,000 years ago.

    Perhaps his work continues?

  • Anonymous

    Cointelpro.

  • Anonymous

    Both , and I use that term lightly, parties represent the interests of capital.

    Not labor.

    Both parties use the notion of the white, english speaking god to advance the interests of capital.

  • Anonymous

    I would never put my friends names on a public forum without their permission.

    But please keep reading….

    From your prior post “There are no Democrats who advocate to restrict or revoke the civil rights of others based on their personal beliefs.  None.  Not a single one.”

    Still want to stand on this sweeping general statement luvGSD?

    And, I never claimed that the Democrat Party didn’t have a plank in there platform supporting abortion. So nice job of research, it was wasted research but nice none the less.

  • Anonymous

    BDN?

    Please add 10 likes to this thread.

    :)

  • Anonymous

    And the sister of the “Lion of the Senate” Eunice Kennedy Shriver on July 14, 1992, joined her husband Sargent Shriver and Pennsylvania Governor Bob Casey (D-Pa.) and many other influential pro-life leaders in signing a full-page ad in the New York Times protesting the Democratic Party’s embrace of the abortion-rights agenda.

    The ad, titled The New American Compact, called for support of policies that embrace both mother and child. The ad concluded with the following statement:

    “We can choose to reaffirm our respect for human life. We canchoose to extend once again the mantle of protection to all members of the human family, including the unborn. We can choose to provide effective care of mothers and children.

    And if we make those choices, America will experience a new birth of freedom, bringing with it a renewed spirit of community, compassion, and caring.”

  • Anonymous

    You claimed that you have friends who are Democrats who wish to restrict a woman’s choice. You forgot to mention that these so-called friends are crackpots. Was that your original meaning, that there are crackpots in every party? Well on that I would have to agree.

  • Anonymous

    Just out of idle curorsity, when do the funds arrive electronically in the recipients bank account or EBT card?

  • Anonymous

    LOL

  • Anonymous

    When have I called you or anyone that you know names luvGSD? Normally you are respectful of opinions which are different from yours but this is a different, disturbing side your showing tonight.

    You made a sweeping general statement that has been proven wrong and you cannot admit it so you attack my friends. How very understanding and respectful on your part.

    I thought liberal Democrats were all about divergent opinions and respect for those opinions? I thought the Democrat had the “Big Inclusive Tent” that welcomed everyone? Well I guess you just proved that belief wrong too.

    Have a good evening luvGSD.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry JD. But Democrats for Life will never, ever gain a foothold within the Democratic Party. (Your condescending tone isn’t appreciated either.)

  • Anonymous

    You don’t sound a bit like Bangorian, as any intelligent person can tell.

  • Anonymous

    Yes!!

  • Anonymous

    Why is any research “wasted”?   I don’t think doing any research is “wasteful.”  It shows curiosity and an attempt to find information , facts, etc.

  • Anonymous

    One of the larger problems in the US now is the your side versus my side mentality, accompanied with an utter unwillingness to cooperate or compromise.  We want our politicians to be non-partisan to foster change & pr0gress, but we can’t even make a simple rationalization that something like folks peacefully exercising a first amendment right is a 100% truth of our Constitution.  Therefore, it is absolutely nothing to argue about. 

    There is also no reason to ascribe any political basis for how the library board voted.  If freedom of assembly is a guaranteed right, then freedom of assembly is a guaranteed right.  This fact is not contingent upon polling data. 

    Board voted 6-2 to allow OWS to stay?  Well, I guess by many people’s(impossibly flawed logic) that makes the library board full of wack0-liberal, Obama/Pelosi/Reid supporting, anti-capitalists. 

    What if the vote would have been 6-2 to ask OWS to leave?  Using the same short-sighted logic, would that make the board friends of Boehner, McConnell, Big Oil & Wall Street? 

    Answer to both: No. 

  • Anonymous

    Really doesn’t matter what you thing will or will not gain a foothold. It was what you posted that I disputed “There are no Democrats who advocate to restrict or
    revoke the civil rights of others based on their personal beliefs. 
    None.  Not a single one.”

    And there are, many.

    And to MY “condescending tone”. I don’t respond well to personal attacks and when you attack my friends or call them “crackpots” you “reap what you sow”. And please note I did not call you one name in any of my posts.

    Respect is earned in my book. You had that respect in the past and thanks to your disrespect this evening it needs to be earned all over again. But then again I doubt if you really care that you lost respect this evening.

  • Anonymous

    I do tend to agree with your post.

  • http://twitter.com/FullMoonGirl84 Samantha Davis

    “Family values” include fairness and justice.  The fight is not just for jobs you know.  It is about funding our schools so teachers are not laid off only to saddle the remaining teachers with classrooms of more than 30 children.  It is about making the bail-out banks pay back the money they borrowed from us tax payers.  It is about returning consumer protections that were repealed that lead to the subprime mortgage mess and faulty hedge funds.  It is about keeping worker’s rights and ability to form unions if they feel it is in their own best interests.   It is for the fight of our future of how our country will be run.  I don’t want a country that was founded for freedom and opportunity to become the land of massive wealth in the hands of a few while the rest of people live in squallier.  I want to be able to look my kids in the eye and tell them I did everything I could to save their future from human greed.

  • Anonymous

    observer.com
    occupywallst.org
    addictinginfo.org(Smithsonian infiltration)
    youtube/OperationalDestiny
    and many more

  • Anonymous

    A large percentage of demonstrators in NYC are Jewish, which is not unusual as they tend to be liberal, quite often.   Your attempt to keep this anti-Semitic thing going sounds desperate.   You seem to want to keep the focus on that. Most are not.  They already know that some of those going around with signs in NYC were longtime transients with no connection to Occupy.
    You are drinking a lot of that right wing, whatever it is.

  • Anonymous

    There are more people like that than people seem to realize.

  • Anonymous

    No I don’t, at least not from you. Look back at the whole thread and see where you first made a sweeping generalization and later became condescending. Then when challenged (hey, you put it out there), you affect high dudgeon because, of all things, I refer to your anonymous Democrats for Life friends as crackpots (again, you put it out there), and you call that a personal attack. If you want to believe there’s a Religious Left of any consequence, then you can dream on.

  • Anonymous

    I am very happy for the success of you and your family and wish all of you continued good fortune.But not “everybody”can set themselves up that way.If “everybody”could’ve” written “Hamlet” or discovered electricity Edison and Shakespeare wouldn’t be remembered today.As an OWS protester put it, he had been searching for a job for 18 months and was still looking and was willing to provide proof of his search.He was maybe 45ish,clean cut that I could tell and well spoken.

  • Anonymous

    I am 51 and you know full well what I meant. We have become a nation of self absorbed profiteers that don’t even know our neighbor’s name, let alone be willing to lend them a hand. Money has always been a tool of trade. Now in 2011 America it has become the end all be all. People are way too willing to cross lines and grovel to get their hands on more. It always comes back to the same dilemna. Either you believe that you will be held accountable for your actions someday, or you do not. When ever you combine a lack of conscience and a lust for money, you have got a problem. Unlike any other time in history, there is way too much of it going on today.

  • newportres

    I am suggesting that destroying the lives on innocent people just so that you can get your freak on in the park like the old days is a bit on the selfish side.
    When their measure of success is the level of police confrontation they can achieve I can only hope for a bad end on all of their parts.

  • newportres

    I have no idea what you are trying to say in this post.

  • newportres

    As if Warren Buffet really wants to be fair.
    Why didn’t he pay more taxes on his own?

  • Anonymous

    “Family values” include fairness and justice.  The fight is not just for jobs you know.
    Yes. exactly. 
    So to those shouting get a job at the protesters I say; 
    “Shouldn’t  single young people stand aside and let  people with small children get the few jobs available as a “real American family values”  thingie ?” 

    It’s confounding to use the jargon as if everyone  owned the all the words, isn’t it ? 

  • Anonymous

    I saw it on the day that it happened. I did not follow it through  to date. Thanks for the update. There are so many other incidents as well that I find reprehensible by the Tea Party types AFTER they got corrupted.

  • Anonymous

    I posted to in reply to you so my post would be read after yours, where my secondary point  fit better. 

  • Anonymous

    That is what you are told by the news entertainment personalities that you listen to, but that doesn’t make it so. Unless you have been to an Occupy location, particularly in NYC, you don’t have any idea what is going on because you are being manipulated by news entities that are owned by the 1%,

  • Anonymous

    There are history books in the library, so they best remember what happened to that Portland middle school history class before getting in bed with Tea Partrayers.  

  • Anonymous

    At what location are you talking about?

  • Steve Anderson

    OWS doesn’t hate the 1% – only those members of the 1% who abuse their power and privilege and who wage class warfare against the middle and lower classes. In fact, many 1%ers have come out in support of OWS in solidarity with their fellow Americans – Warren Buffet is the one example everyone knows about, but there are many more: http://westandwiththe99percent.tumblr.com/

  • Steve Anderson

    Yeah! How dare they support social justice! Public libraries are clearly communist! Let’s shut ‘em down!

  • Steve Anderson

    Just to clarify, my previous comment was sarcasm. 

  • Steve Anderson

    Wall Street has bought out Washington. 

    Also, “Occupy Washington?” Way ahead of you on that one: http://occupydc.org/
    They’ve been there for over a month. 

  • Anonymous

    Correct, at this point. I think themes will emerge that hold true across all sites, and maybe even some demands, to use a term I hear often. I do not think it will take long to develop a national consensus, but it may.

  • Anonymous

    I like it, anything IS possible. I have wondered that too, and admire the Republicans who have already spoken up in good critiques, both for and against,  that have make me think.

  • Anonymous

    They, the Occupiers, are paying for a porta-potty that they are allowed to have on the park grounds if that is what your relief refers to. Basic necessities were pretty well planned for.

  • Anonymous

    Now THAT is what we need more of. All of the points you made are the basis of the FAIR LABOR and FAIR TRADE movements which are something separate from Occupy. I applaud your business philosphy. And, even more, I applaud that you made it actionable. Well done.

  • Anonymous

    Well, I have to step in here and speak up for Bushfan, even though I am an ardent Bushbooer, because I think he is speaking for the businesses that are paying their fair share…. to workers, to the state, to the country. This, as you say, is not about money per se. It is about ill-gotten money and the use of that money to buy special treatment. I did not hear that in his statement. I think you focused on the ‘handout’ part to the exclusion of the rest. One thing I am finding is that though I disagree with some of what thoughtful people on the opposing side say, I do not disagreee with all of it. And, I do agree completely  in your beautifully expressed statement which is worth repeating:  “an America with smart rules that promoted capitalism and as a result opportunity” and I agree with Bushfan that we need to support our local businesses because most still operate using those rules. And, there are some large multi-national companies that do the same. We can bring the bad guys and the politicians that support them down. Didn’t a 22 year old just do that to Bank of America?

  • Anonymous

    Our Congress approved it, on both sides of the aisle. The blame needs to be shared.

  • Anonymous

    Love that tv show.

  • Anonymous

    You misunderstand, maybe intentionally. No one, I repeat, no one is talking about asking the government to take something from someone and give it to someone else. What is being asked that every entity, individual and corporate, pay a fair share. It is what a responsible citizen does. After you have done so if you want to give what you have away or keep it is your decision, no one else’s. I don’t think there is a legitimate Occupier out there that would disagree with that. I certainly would challenge one that did.

  • Anonymous

    Oh, if true, that makes me sick. Verizon is on the payupnow list. Big time tax evader. What is wrong with this President?  But, that is just more fuel for the Occupier fire.

  • Anonymous

    Love that. Thanks for sharing.

  • Anonymous

    Actually many of them have degrees of various kinds so they spent a lot of time in libraries.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe I did misunderstand what the people on the link SkowheganRes provided but it seemed fairly clear with the letters they were holding. And until OWS comes up with a consensus of what they want that is common across all groups the misunderstandings will continue.

  • Anonymous

    Your correct about working together. I have been saying as much for months now. Both sides of the political spectrum are equally at fault for delivering us to this point in time with the economy we currently “enjoy”.

    The rights contained in the Bill of Rights are not absolute and that comment is not from any side of the political spectrum. That comment comes from the SCOTUS which has placed reasonable limits on those rights.

    You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater. You cannot carry a concealed weapon across state lines. You cannot deny access to a sidewalk while conducting a picket line protest are three that come to mind.

  • Anonymous

    Be careful about agreeing with msfreeh. From her post on other topics she believes that 9/11 was an inside job, that child molesters and the children they molest should work together to determine punishment, that graduates of the FBI Executive Training Program (they provide training to local city and towns command staff) are graduates of FBI Training Academy and are some how in the back pockets of the agents and there working with them locally are just a few of their positions.

    There is more even more outlandish but my head is already spinning and I haven’t had my first cup of coffee.

    My suggestion is read more of their posts and decide on your own if they are serious or just trying to wide people up.

  • newportres

    Oh give it a break.  If the Woodstock wannabes in our news media are on anyone’s side it is the side of these freaks in the park.
    One of your own posters here stated that their level of success is judged by the level of confrontation with police that they can create.
    Chaos is your only goal.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the concern. Though I may agree with someone some of the time, that is never a carte blanche endorsement. Neither would I want to rule out everything they say because of some outlandish things they might say. Just the way I would want to be treated.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, when individuals speak their mind it is often confused with the consensus of the group. You can find what Occupy Bangor has agreed upon here: http://occupybangor.org/join-us 

  • Anonymous

    Success comes to those that go out and do it. Thomas Edison may be remembered for the light bulb but he had failed inventions too. What would have happened if he “gave up” after the first failure?

    Alexander Graham Bell in addition to the telephone explored a great variety of scientific activities involving kites, airplanes, tetrahedral structures, sheep-breeding, artificial respiration, desalinization and water distillation, and hydrofoils.Success people keep going, even when they are knocked down and stomped on. They get up and try again.

    It is not about setting themselves up, it’s about not giving up.

    Check out the “10 Amazing Life Lessons You Can Learn From Albert Einstein”

    http://www.dumblittleman.com/2010/03/10-amazing-lessons-albert-einstein.html

  • Anonymous

    Many chase their dreams and get educated or trained to do what they are passionate about. The sad thing is when we get our degree, get a job, work hard as loyal employees for a decade or more and are offered an ever shrinking part of the profits. Wage stagnation is real and is not getting better. There is not profit stagnation. The top has shut out the people who actually make it happen for them through personal and career sacrifice. The efficiency of the US worker is the best in the world and increases even during slow cycles. This generates larger profits. This never trickles down anymore, ever. After 30 years of this is has taken a toll. Voila, no more thriving middle class.

    I am a good example. I am mid 40s, engineer and MBA. Honors student. Never a bad employee evaluation. I have created numerous valuable creative solutions for my employers in manufacturing. I work hard and give 100% of myself on the job. This said, I am making the same salary in real dollar terms that I was making 25 years ago. I can barely make ends meet. I am frugal and don’t buy much beyond basics, drive a sensible efficient car, etc. Ask around my workplace and I am seen as a superstar.

    Your “American Dream” is now in reality a rarity, akin to hitting the lottery. When bright and energetic well intentioned people cannot make a go of it, what does that say for the system. It wasn’t like this in the 1960s and 1970s. What has changed is money in politics, an increasingly regressive tax code, unregulated greed in the Board Rooms and a financial system that is designed to harvest from the bottom upward every few years.

    I was a small business specialist for many years. The access to capital is not what it was. The economy is being held back by these wage issues and the shrinking consumer economy. If you are successful with a start-up in this environment, good for you. Everyone cannot be an entrepreneur. You should be able to work and make a living without bankrolling a start-up. That is disappearing. Yours is not the experience most have in this economy. Consider yourself fortunate and think of what others might be going through. It is hard out there for good people.

  • Anonymous

    Every candidate we see from now on will be corporate sponsored until we get the damned corrosive money out of the game. Everyone is guilty. The system is broken. Congress is the real heart of the problem but the other branches are corroded with corruption as well.

    Get the money out is the only way to get us healthy again. If we don’t, two things are likely to happen. First, conditions on the ground will get worse for workers and governments. Unemployment will continue to rise along with real wages falling. Bad news for the overall economy, even if the multinational corps are in high cotton. They can make money anywhere in the world, they don’t rely on us to buy anymore. Second, the hopelessness of rampant unemployment and under utilized human potential will bring about a new American revolutionary war where millions will perish as citizens take arms against a government that no longer is strong enough to keep order or stability or protect liberties. It is preventable if we can muster the focus to pass a constitutional amendment banning all money from politics. Public funded elections at every level.

    You are right that Billion dollar elections are real and that is not good for democracy. It is really good for corporations.

    If this amendment is not ratified, the Citizens United ruling will be remembered as the torpedo that sunk the greatest financial empire in history. We move inescapably closer to this unless we do something to set it straight.

    http://www.getmoneyout.com

  • Anonymous

    For the record, the last pay raise I had from my current employer was in 2008. Haven’t had one penny more since then. Is my employer to blame? Maybe. Are they experiencing shrinking profits? Absolutely. I see it in the financials each and every month. I see it in the reimbursement levels we see each and every month. I see it from the companies that want to “re-negotiate” existing contracts 2-3 years before the current term expires.

    But let me ask this question. You seem like a well schooled, intelligent person that has a good set of skills that would be of value to any small business. By your own admission you have saved your employer money over the years. By your own admission you have small business experience. Did you ever think Rex that you could take your skill set and sell it to small business?

    Maybe that isn’t for you, but it might be for someone else. And yes, it is risky but you are your own boss and small business is thirsty for assistance in navigating the waters that could help them reach their goals. Just a thought.

  • Anonymous

    I am sure that you will find a way to deny this too. Like “He isn’t associated with the Tea Party or some such nonsense.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/03/elizabeth-warren-heckler_n_1073755.html

  • Anonymous

    Sooner or later the Bangor Children’s Crusade Brigade Chapter 214 of OWS will have to confront the evidence for the FBI, US Military and other members of the US Government did I forget to mention the Oil Corporations, creating 911.
    An active barometer of whether the OWS Childrens Crusade is a success is when they move their tents and occupy Bangor City Hall and the Maine State Capitol rotunda
    and perform citizens arrests on the perps who created 911 and disband the Government agencies
    involved in  creating the 911 holocaust.
    see
    ae911truth.org
    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
    http://9-11cc.org/index.php/tag/mike-gravel/

  • Anonymous

    How would I know if he was or wasn’t associated with the Tea Party? He said he was so one can assume that he is.

    Heckling happens all the time and by both sides of the political spectrum. “Code Pink” is one group that comes to mind that has disrupted “Republican” events. OWS is another that has certainly disrupted the Port of Oakland last night and this morning.

    Keep trying to play “Gotcha” and it gets no one anywhere and only deepens the divide that we have in this country.

  • Anonymous

    What are you implying there JD?  People can draw their own conclusions.

  • Anonymous

    What am I “implying”? You may “draw your own conclusions” luvGSD.

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