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• Anonymous

  These people have made their point whatever it is.   They should get out of our park so that it can be enjoyed as intended by all of us.  Hopefully there is no more harassment as that is not good.  However they need to move on.

• Anonymous

  You might consider turning off The Howie Carr show because you sound as clueless as he does on this one.

• Anonymous

  Do you have any tact? Do you really think this is the story in which to comment on and voice your dessent about the people who just got a bomb thrown at them?

• Anonymous

  Let’s see how strong their resolve is when winter comes. Let’s see how passionate they are when the temperature dips below zero. Oh, wait, they will be in their homes watching televisions and on computers…. both of which made by huge corporations. Get real.

• Anonymous

  Violence is the tool of ignorance, the tool that says, “I cannot defeat your arguments, I am afraid of your arguments, and so I will destroy you.”  This is a serious moment in the Occupy movement in Maine.  Someone could have been badly hurt. 

  Those who are fighting Wall Street greed were noble before, but now they are even more brave, more virtuous, because they are enduring the threat of attack.   It takes stamina, perseverance, patience, and philosophy.  They have all of these. 

  Occupy!!!

• http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

  Ok first off the word “bomb” is a catch all. From what I read I am guessing it was a baking soda/vinegar soda bottle toy. Over fetching on the word to make it sound bad. If it had been the true definition of a chemical bomb the people in the park would have been exposed taken to the hospital and the park would have been sealed off.

  But a story about a toy kids have made for many many years some in school as a science project would not be a story. But call it a chemical bomb and we got headlines. 

• Anonymous

  Read the article… it says police don’t think the occupiers were the sole target. Not everyone is out to harm the little movement… the one you probably haven’t shown your face at. You people are insignificant and annoying.

• Anonymous

  If you think this will go away because the seasons change, you will be disappointed.  The protesters may not stay outside 24/7 but they will not have gone away.  There is widespread injustice that needs to be part of the national dialog.  Instead, we hear about austerity, the worst thing we could undertake at this perilous moment.

  Occupy!

• Anonymous

  Guys. GUYS.

  “He said detectives don’t necessarily believe Occupy Maine was the sole
  target because another device was set off elsewhere that night.”

  Calm down.

• valgal10

  No need to toss bombs or arrest them, they will all be gone in another month when the cold weather and snow arrives. Mother Nature is a great equalizer…

• valgal10

  Oh yes, what is their point. Have they come up with an agenda yet?

• Anonymous

  So you think the park only belongs to yourself and those who think as you do? Perhaps the lot of you should read the U.S. Constitution. Last thing I knew the provision guaranteeing right to free assembly had yet to be rescinded. If you still don’t understand the importance of this in a democratic society, perhaps it is you who should consider moving on.

• Anonymous

  … Not to downplay the danger involved, though. Seems like we have a hooligan on the loose to deal with, nonetheless. Glad nobody was hurt!

• Anonymous

  Go fetch me a Pepsi.

• Anonymous

  Televisions and computers are made by big corporations. In winter it gets cold. What exactly is your point? Your comment makes absolutely no sense. It only indicates that you are confused and hostile about something you clearly don’t understand.  Why don’t you try educating yourself a little bit without the assistance of the talking heads at Foxy TV and on Radio VOMit.

• Anonymous

  First we take a wild guess, then we make a firm assumption, then we rail against anyone who would take this incident seriously. Sorry, you’re the one who bombed.

• Anonymous

  Probably flea treatment for the fleabaggers there.

• Anonymous

  How can you be anti corporate greed when you help keep those companies in business? How can you be against something that you are actually supplying?

• Anonymous

  Probably one of their bongs blew up.

• Anonymous

  Very true…. Why cant we get a reporter to write about the real message these clowns want to get across – None of them have jobs, none of them want jobs, all they want is free stuff… None of them are willing to work for a living, if they were, they would have a job like the rest of us…  I may not have much – but i’m proud of it, cause I EARNED IT.  If your lazy, and jealous of what someone else worked for, go join them, if you can stand the smell.

• Anonymous

  …occupy something other than your moms basement.

• Anonymous

  That’s why there are over 1,000 cities, not counting small towns, that have an Occupy presence in them. I’m thinking you are really part of the 99% that these Occupiers are talking about. Anyone who lost money in 2008 from the greed that is still rampant in Wall Street and where ever power brokers meet, is automatically part of the 99%.

  Are you satisfied with the way things are going? Do you feel represented in Washington and that your voice is as loud as that of the corporate lobbyists? I’m sure not satisfied and don’t feel as if more than a handful in Washington get it. They might be listening, they should be listening and you should too. These Occupiers are more peaceful by numbers than the general population is and that’s why their voice is getting stronger. Because some people are listening without fear of being changed.

  Good luck to you and yours with winter coming. Keep your stick on the ice, we’re all in this together.

• Anonymous

  If they were at work they wouldn’t be worried about a bomb in a public park! GET A JOB -BUMS!

• Anonymous

  FYI – We are a Republic…. Sorry

• http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5823658 Jared Sawyer

  “If one has no affection for a person or a system, one should feel free to give the fullest expression to his disaffection so long as he does not contemplate, promote, or incite violence” -Ghandi

• Anonymous

  Is this how you want to be treated when and if you ever stand up for a cause?

• Anonymous

  As I’ve mentioned to you before, I can take any Republican and show how they are, in some way, supporting a liberal. 

  I can take any voter and show how, in some way, they are supporting someone who votes on the other side of the issue.

  It doesn’t matter.  Evaluate the arguments on their merits.

• Anonymous

  Are you a fan of Wall Street?

• Anonymous

  http://www.occupytogether.org/faq/ currently 1,551 cities occupied at this time. This is global folks and it ain’t going away. Find the nearest one to you. Peace & fair weather to all.

• Anonymous

  Something that is insignificant can’t be annoying.  You’re contradicting yourself.

• Anonymous

  How come I have never met a single opponent of the Occupy movement who is polite and knows how to argue rationally?

• Anonymous

  Are you a fan of Wall Street?

• Anonymous

  Your argument:  If they wanted to work, they would have a job; therefore, they are bad people

  Counterargument:  A lot of good people don’t have jobs right now, in this difficult economy.  Conclusion:  Your argument fails.

  Counterargument two: You don’t have to have a paying job to do something good and important. Conclusion: Your argument fails.

• Anonymous

  Im just dishing out what you and your ilk gave the Tea Party bub.

• Anonymous

  Guess you haven’t met me. I bet I know 99% more than those fools.

• Anonymous

  Even if it was a physically harmless bomb–a big assumption on your part, since the police say “someone could have been hurt”–it is psychologically very hurtful.  If you’re on the receiving end and a package lands and explodes and gas spews out, you should take it as a serious threat. 

  Also, a so-called harmless attack could be a threat of more dangerous attacks in the future.

• Joe Pimpernel

  The Fleabaggers probably set it themselves.

  The Left is famous for false-flag operations.

  Especially lame, ineffectual ones.

• Anonymous

   America is NOT a democratic society. It is a Constitutional Republic. Learn the difference.

• Anonymous

  They have a job, and it is one of the most important of all:  fighting injustice.

  Do you like your job?  Is it meaningful?

• Anonymous

   I’m a fan of companies that provide jobs and pay taxes. Which the Wall Street companies do. I’m also for people who work and pay taxes supporting those who are sitting in tents protesting the fact they studied crap majors and now are not educated enough to get a real world job. They blame Wall Street for their poor decisions and want someone else to pay. What the OWS fools should do is man up and accept that they made bad decisions and take the blame for their own goof ups. But I can never believe that a liberal would ever do such a thing. They just don’t have it in them to accept responsibility for their own actions.

• Anonymous

  Of course you can show a Republican how they are supporting a liberal…it’s called welfare.

• Anonymous

  One dude with a sign=Massive Political Movement!

• Anonymous

  We’re a democratic republic and the use of the word “democratic” is appropriate.

• Anonymous

  What, exactly, are the Occupy protesters hoping will happen?  I’m all for exercising the right to free speech, and freedom of assembly…but what is the point?  Yes, go occupy…have a sit-in…whatever…but doesn’t there need to be some achievable (or at least semi-achieveable) “goal” for all of this?  I guess I’m just not understanding the point of it all.

• Anonymous

  And for his next trick…”I can take a hat and pull a rabbit out of it.”

• Anonymous

  So you’re acting like people you think are idiots? 

• Anonymous

  A Wall Street banker makes money by creating
  nothing except an artificial concept called a “derivative” and
  trading it in a deceitful way that destroys the livelihoods of other
  Americans.  That’s how Wall Street bankers work hard and feed their
  families. 

  Are you defending that?
   

• Anonymous

  A Wall Street banker makes money by creating nothing except an artificial concept called a “derivative” and trading it in a deceitful way that destroys the livelihoods of other Americans.  That’s how Wall Street bankers work hard and feed their families. 

  Are you defending that?

  Wall Street also destroyed the economy in 2008 through lying, cheating and tricking their own investors.

• Anonymous

  If this “device” had been thrown at a Tea Party gathering, Fox News would have a two-hour special on the air by now.  As it is, no mention on the TV noon news or yesterday’s TV evening news.

• Anonymous

  You sound very angry.

  You also claim you are going to be rude because you think liberals are rude–in this way, you lower yourself down and become as bad as your perceived enemy.

  Do you think there is corruption on Wall Street?  In government?  Does it bother you that when you pay for gasoline, you are sending money to Nigeria, Saudia Arabia and Venezuela?

• Anonymous

  Do you hate me?  It sounds like it.  I’d be afraid of you, face to face.

  But, listen, do you like the fact that big corporations take jobs out of America and send them to China?

• Anonymous

  No, Wall Street took advantage of the dumb laws initiated by a liberal Congress and Clinton to free up federally backed dollars for mortgages that people couldn’t afford. In their zeal to socially engineer, Barney Frank and his liberal buddies made Fannie and Freddie Mac guarantee marginal loans with federal dollars. This fed a huge bubble of substandard loans that mortgage companies bought from people. When the obvious happened, as it would..we got left holding the bag thanks to you liberals and your dumb policies.

• Anonymous

  You might want to explore the benefits of the “Reply” button.  As it is, your comments are coming out disjointed and isolated from whoever you are targeting, and the latest looks like it is answering . . . me.

• Anonymous

  Democratic republic is a fine way to describe our society.  The adjective “democratic” is used all the time by the Republican leadership.

• Anonymous

  Wall Street “took advantage”? Don’t you mean they did horrible things that hurt tens of millions of Americans?

  The last two years of W’s reign, the Republicans had an iron fist on the House, and the Democrats controlled the Senate by a slim margin.  The Supreme Court majority was Republican.

  It was during these two years that the collapse occurred–bad loans were made, investors were deceived by Goldmann Sachs, AIG and so on.

  You should see the Oscar-winning Documentary, Inside Job. It explains what happened very well.

  Listen, do you blame Bush at all?

• Anonymous

  My husband and I had retirement savings in the stock market. Wall Street shenanigans greatly reduced their value a few years back. Wall Street execs continue to get multi-million dollar bonuses. Yet they produce nothing of value–and in fact destroy value.

  Occupy Wall Street!

• Anonymous

  What is more important, ending the corrupt alliance between government and big business, or getting a permit to camp in a park to protest that corruption?

• Anonymous

  Home grown terrorism………

• Anonymous

  What is with all of the short selling, etc, etc on Wall Street????  That type of stuff has destroyed market investing and made it as bad as going to a casino.

• Robert Gallant

  didn’t see you complaining when Bush had the stock market at the highest value at it had ever seen!

• Anonymous

   OMG, Someone throw a Bomb on a crowd of people! That’s Horrible someone could have gotten killed!!Why isn’t this all over the News???????!!! Like it or not the American people have a right to protest, but noone has a right to try to Kill them!!!

• Anonymous

  If instead of making a cogent argument for why you feel you’re right you really only want to be rude and insulting — which you obviously do —  how about at least showing a little more imagination of your own. 

  We’ve heard all the stupid stereotypes about the Occupy movement participants supplied to simple frightened people by the likes of Rush and Glenn. Now that we’ve heard you and your fellow Wall Street dupes run through all the nyah-nyah-nyah accusations about poor personal hygiene, dope smoking and living with one’s parents, I’m still waiting to hear how the protesters wear tinfoil hats. 

• Anonymous

  At last, you acknowledge words have failed you. Perhaps you should retire from the fray before you sound even more foolish.

• Anonymous

  do you really think everyone who can come and go as they like don’t have a job?  lol.

  you wish.  most of those people are there because they can afford to be.  

• Anonymous

  i don’t know if his job is meaningful, but apparently it allows him to read and post online at 2 pm.

  ;)

• Anonymous

  Spruce you are wasting your time. You are attempting to use a logical argument with an illogical individual who apparently is only parroting someone else’s talking point. 

• Anonymous

  I hear you, I do.  I’m trying to reach whoever else is reading ‘out there’.  There must be some undecided people who read these forums, and maybe my poise, as I face hate, can sway them.  Or maybe a few good arguments will work.

  Also, I like to show support for the people who already agree with me.  I want to support the Occupiers on the frontlines.

  Yes, there are time and burnout issues.  And maybe I try too much sometimes.  On the other hand, fighting injustice, even in the most meager way, is better than playing solitaire on my desk.

• Anonymous

  What you are witnessing is a national temper tantrum. Most haven’t a clue what they’re disgruntled about -  for them it is enough simply to be pissed off. And there is an element that is working the crowds for all it’s worth agitating for overthrow – violent or otherwise.

  Class warfare, envy, and old fashioned greed is what drives them.

• Anonymous

  Read the article. 

  It happened on the weekend and at night.

• Anonymous

  Too bad the taxes I paid over the last 45 years got given away by Bush and Obama to the Wall Street thieves, banks and multinational corporations.  But that’s O.K. with you, ain’t it?  That’s what the voices tell you, ain’t it? 

• Anonymous

  Not a lib, bub.  And not a tea party lap dog follower either.  Time to hunker down and take care of my own. 

• Anonymous

  ‘Took advantage of’ means don’t leave anything of value unprotected, unwatched, available for someone of low moral character to steal. They lobbied for the rules, their ‘buddies’ on both sides of the isle made the laws or repealed those that were safe-guarding our investments.

  The fight against this mentality is ageless, or is it? Let’s hope maybe it’s had it’s day long enough.

• Anonymous

  Just a heads-up folks. A repulsive right-wing site called “Free Republic” has posted a call to skew the comments’ “Likes” here:

  “‘Bomb’ Thrown at Occupy Portland (Please check comments and “like” conservative ones)”

  So if you see a lot of these attached to especially dumb right-wing comments, take them with a grain of salt. 

  Just sayin…

• Anonymous

  … and then it bombed on his watch and his Congress approved the bailout which he signed.

• Anonymous

  The GOP controlled Washington between 2001 and 2007. They must have liked those “dumb laws” enough to not want to overturn them…

• Anonymous

  You sit at your computer speaking of their “resolve.”  From your comments, it seems you know very little about them and their resolve .

• Anonymous

  Indeed!

• Anonymous

  At least it wasn’t a stink bomb, they never would have known that it was there

• Anonymous

  I did not make a bad decision when I bought my home 20 years ago, and have made the payments.  Yet, these bankers swindled me and the rest of us out of much value so they could sell a few risky mortgages, make a bonus and then take a short position on the bad debt they created, again a big payoff for them.  It is indecent and immoral to make money by destroying the savings of others.  It is far from a victimless crime.  You sir are arguing in support of the most heinous people in modern history.  Have you no shame?  Sold out, uninformed, and lacking morality, you are a part of why our nation cannot get its act together. 

  Thats okay though.  You are about to witness real change in America.  The progressives have been lying dormant for a while now.  The media coup and shock doctrine are now apparent.  The conservative crime spree against the middle class and against hard working people is about up.  You better hope by the love of god that the Occupy people get what they are protesting for.  Without this you can count on revolution within the decade. 

  You argue for a failed and dishonest system that bolsters itself by claiming patriotism and free markets.  Free markets are a euphemism for free-for-all, looting without rules.  You got your deregulation and it failed.  The game is about up for you and yours.  If you think you and those you stand behind can steal over 6 trillion dollars from the american population and get away with it, you are dangerously wrong.

  On a side note, you probably pay a higher tax rate than most of those corporations you admire.  Occupy is not the people that got swindled on their mortgages, it is mainly students who have no opportunity because YOUR friends stole their future to guarantee and enrich their own.

• Anonymous

  These people need to go home and get a job. Stop counting on others to pay your way. Our founding fathers never intended the “redistribution” of wealth. You get what you earned. These people want hand outs. I currently pay almost 40% of my income in taxes simply because the government claims I am “rich”…who the hell are they to say I am rich I will decide that for myself…I am trying refrain from name calling but what else can you call these so called “occupiers” but a bunch of lazy free loaders. If you do not like your situation only you can change it…stop counting on the government to take care of you get off your behind and work for what  you want. I hope to see a flat tax in my life and stop this class warfare…I worked very hard for what I have unlike these freeloaders we have now….I have no problem with Wall Street..these occupiers should be shipped off to North Korea that way they will get taken care of by the government….

• Anonymous

  You got that right. They show themselves for what they are.

• Anonymous

  Don’t you sound like a nice person!

• Anonymous

  You might as well speak to a hard cold stone wall than to some people.  Luckily, the majority of people are decent and reasonable. (or we would like to think so.)

• Anonymous

  You are quite mixed up as to the origins of the greed.   That old right wing talking point “class envy and class warfare” is meaningless. 

• Anonymous

  Glass-Steagall repeal was a republican/conservative idea that Bill Clinton agreed with.  That notwithstanding, it will be shown to be his biggest mistake.  History will write that while he was able to pay down the deficit, his policies paved the way to wonton criminality and lawless greed on Wall Street.  Glass-Steagall worked well and kept us safe for 60 years.  Since its repeal we are back to robber barons, boom and bust, class inequality and too big to fail.  These are all the ramifications of that repeal.

  If you think that is good for America, you have no soul.  Read your history.  Your rant is idiotic and baseless.

• Anonymous

  Oh, I’ll bet you are correct.

• Anonymous

  Who did you address that to?

• Anonymous

  Amen.  I don’t think their motive was to kill, (who knows!), but what is true is: the same people who condone this (or do not see anything wrong with this action with the chemical “bomb”) are the same ones who claim (wrongly) that the demonstrators are promoting “violence.”  
  You cannot make this stuff up!

• Anonymous

  Visiting from Free Republic?

• Anonymous

  sometimes I comment just so that other readers won’t be sucked in to the void created by the original post.

• ptkitty

  FLAGGED AND REMOVED BY SPRUCE-DWELLER. Here it is again.

  The Portland Press Herald reported that Shane Blodgett of Augusta was sleeping in his tent in the middle of the park when the explosion woke him up.  ”I heard a sound which I thought was a gunshot,”   I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE.  I thought someone was walking around with a gun.  I didn’t dare poke my head out” Blodgett said.  So he said that HE WENT BACK TO SLEEP.  

  Really?  He thought someone was firing a gun, he was scared to poke his head out, so he went back to sleep.  

  I deleted the rest of my comment…but the Newspapers made a big Headline deal out of a silver Nissan or Toyota as the sum total of the vehicle description. It’s not much for anyone to go on. Could be anyone…could be you.

• clamcove

  Most of us are.

• Anonymous

  Never mind the lack of hygiene, check out the antisemitism coming off these guys..

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIlRQCPJcew

• Anonymous

  When are you going to throw the shout out for the Jews and the Illuminati in there too?

• Anonymous

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMjm4LxFa1c

  See, scratch an occupier..get a hater.

• Anonymous

  Look, even the Iranians are down with Occupy. Must like the anti-Jewish slant with the movement.
  http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9007161485

• Anonymous

  That’s because noboday cares about a bunch of clueless protestors who probably made the story up in the first place, or place the device themselves. I think it was just an overheated bong or crack pipe.

• Anonymous

  And supported buy a liberal media.

• Anonymous

  We have a whole cadre of Hooligans camped out in Augusta and Portland.

• Anonymous

  And who is paying for the cleanup and extra ploice patrols of these “campsites” where these bums are camped out? They should take it out of their unemployment and welfare checks.

• Anonymous

  Heck, scratch an occupier get even worse…

  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/24/1029448/-Allegation-of-Rape-at-Occupy-Dallas

  You didn’t see Tea Partier folks doing that kind of thing.

• Anonymous

  ?????????????what?

• Anonymous

  Remember This the next time these 99%’rs  use violence ,then get back to us.

• Anonymous

  “Counterargument two: You don’t have to have a paying job to do
  something good and important. Conclusion: Your argument fails.”

  The who pays your way through life ,if you fall into this category?
  Who decides if what  you are doing is good enough,important enough to justify a free ride through life?
   Do the folks paying  get a say in this?
   Is this  available to  all of us?
  If so, what happens  when  99% of folks  are living this lifestyle ?
  How long until they have spent all of the 1% folks money?
  Then what?

• http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NJL3B4HVOEDBRB7RC7PHUTXEDM Nat

  Hey BDN, why did you put quotes around the word BOMB in your ‘headline’?

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  What those stinkers need is a “clean bomb” of shampoo and body wash.

• Anonymous

  Cause it was a dog poop bomb.

• Anonymous

  Good reason for Occupy towns all over the US.

  http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439×2175065

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  Hey, thanks for pointing out that site. I never knew about it. They look like a good bunch of peeps. I’ll put them on my read list. I’ll even give you like for the promo.

• Anonymous

  from the article:  “Sauschuck described the device Monday as the type often associated with teenage pranks.”
  *******************************************
  oh, a “stink bomb”.  Couldn’t have been that bad…besides, if the people who are living in the park don’t have shower facilities, they’ve got to be harming the olfactory glands of recently washed passersby.

• Anonymous

  You wish the courageous and bright people occupying would just go away. You and fox news.

• Anonymous

  Bravo. Well said.

• Anonymous

  Here is another good one …on just what is going on with Occupy.

  http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439×2173699

• Anonymous

  We’re a democratic republic and the use of the word “democratic” is appropriate.     
  *********************************************
  according to the Constitution, we are a republic….just a plain republic.  It’s been that way for 210 years as the wording has not changed, nor has it been repealed, altered or amended in any way.

• Anonymous

  Got that off of fox news?

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  a month? LOL

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  shampoo and body wash are chemicals too :)

• Anonymous

  Hmmm! How did the police know about this? Did
  some of those anti-police call those brutal police officers
  and report this? Maybe they just all went back to sleep dreaming
  about those mean bankers. The same meanies who were given
  the directive BY THE GOVT to give loans to anyone. The govt
  will cover any risk and you will not care if they are ninja loans.
  The govt will buy them all through Fannie and Freddie and since
  you don’t have to back these loans, give them to anyone who can’t
  afford them. If you don’t, we will send Acorn and SEIU and all
  our goons down to protest your bank and make it miserable.
  The foolish taxpayer will foot the bill when the bubble bursts. And
  I a sure they were dreaming about all the greedy people who KNEW
  they couldn’t afford these homes but jumped right on in because it
  wasn’t costing them any skin in the game. I am sure they are having
  nightmares when it pops into their mind the govt not the banks are
  the evil doers but they must get up and smoke a bone then go back
  to the wonderful dreams of the evil bankers and wall streeters.
  Those darn police, protecting them!

• Anonymous

  Glad anonymous is going after fox news. 

  That is where a lot of misinformation comes from. It almost defies belief that some people consider it news. The reason fox can’t go into Canada is that they have laws against news networks lying.

• Anonymous

  Probably a soap bomb..those suckers are deadlier to those people than a help wanted table at a job fair.

• Anonymous

  The american people get the short end of the stick over and over from our reps in DC. If WE don’t like it, WE are called hippies.

  “The Pentagon has spent more than 10 trillion dollars since 1990 and will spend 4 trillion over the next four years without ever passing an audit.”

  Somehow that is ok with conservatives. 

  Rep. DeFazio on the House floor.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  This is very much how middle class America was treated by liberals and their media tools under the banner of the Tea Party.

• Anonymous

  Democraticunderground? Man I need a shower after visiting that site.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  I like Wall Street. It is right next door to Ceiling Avenue and two doors down from Closet Lane.

  Wall Street is nothing. Most financial transactions are conducted from various places around the world. The smelly, dirty neo-communists who are railing against prosperity deserve what they have and no more.

• Anonymous

  “Barney Frank and his liberal buddies made Fannie and Freddie Mac guarantee marginal loans with federal dollars.”  specifically, what actions did they take to force fannie mae and freddie mac to guarantee loans that failed to meet necessary established lending requirements?  

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  Do you still live in that home? If so, your home is still worth a heck of lot more than when you bought it and you have not been swindled out of a penny.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  If you are part of this 1% that is out there smelling up the streets, you likely haven’t paid squat in taxes over the past 45 years.

• Anonymous

  neocons love wall street.  wall street hates ows protesters.  neocons hate ows protesters.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  We are in the middle of a class war and there are more of us than you.

• Anonymous

  “American foreign policy must be more than the management of crisis. It must have a great and guiding goal: to turn this time of American influence into generations of democratic peace.”

     George W. Bush, speech, November 19, 1999

• Anonymous

  I hear you.

• Anonymous

  … and if you read the article you’re pointing to, you’ll see that there is no substantiation to this bit of sensationalism you tout.

  “Update — No further mention of this story on the local broadcast, still
  no mention on any local website.  If there is no further mention in any
  broadcast or mention on the website, I may well delete the diary.” – The Daily Kos

  Enough said.

• Anonymous

  He/she sure seems to be getting all riled up over it. Maybe if it is “insignificant” you would think he/she would ignore it.
  Oh, they are so transparent.

• Anonymous

  The ‘left is famous for false-flag operations.’ What a bunch of hooey! When has the ‘left’ ever had enough control to launch a false-flag operation? You must be out of your ‘right’ mind.

• Anonymous

  There are many good and decent people in the world who do care (regardless of what you think ) about everyday people (and many inequaties and unfairness perpetuated by corporate greed) and  who don’t get online and post nasty comments over and over. (and I am saying nasty.)
  If you don’t care about them (people standing up for what they believe), why don’t you turn your mind elsewhere.

• Anonymous

  http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/24/accusations-of-teen-runaway-sexual-activity-at-occupy-dallas/

  Lookee here…more substantiation. Satisfied yet?

• Anonymous

  Well written. Too bad Sicko8 won’t understand what you mean. When you try to enlighten a person with an IQ that finds no shame in treating terms like like Liberal, Progressive, and Conservative as punctual pejoratives that prove them right and you evil, bad, and wrong you really are wasting your time.

  Ricko8 should also learn that there’s nothing funny about someone throwing a chemical bomb into a group of peaceful protesters. That’s how wars start. Contrary to public opinion nobody ever wins a war. Not only that, but the side that fires the first shot is responsible for everything bad that happens as the result of a war and will likely be required to pay reparations. I think these TPs already plan to wage war on us and are just trying to shake us up enough to get us to fire that first shot. I bet there are other countries behind them, conservative dictatorships, not just white sheets, Boss Hog and the Brother’s Koch. We’re in for a long ride and a very cold winter.

• http://twitter.com/BonzoDog1 BonzoDog1

  I’m with you 100 percent, Liz. Too old to camp out, but I was robbed of thousands of dollars by the multi-national gamblers on Wall Street who have bribed our lawmakers (and the Supreme Court) and made it “legal.”

• Anonymous

  Repulsive? Guess you haven’t been down to Capitol Park in Augusta to see what those occupiers have done to the place. Trash and filth around their campsites. The smell is repulsive.

• Anonymous

  People do not live by bread alone.

• Anonymous

  Your compassion, sir, is exceeded only by your ignorance. The national average for unemployment is almost 10%. Do you think those people did it to themselves? What hubris! Where the hell have you been for the last 20 years while corporations have been maximizing their profits by ‘downsizing’ labor? Be thankful you have a job, but don’t think it’s that easy for everyone. What a lucky person you are.

• Anonymous

  I’m flagging this, because you are providing information that (a) could result in people being wrongly blamed, and perhaps harmed, because you target them, (b) this information contains no evidence whatsoever.

  It’s really cruel to target individuals in an identifiable way.  What if someone takes this description of the car and uses it to hunt these individuals down–does that bother you?

• Anonymous

  Right, the liberal media is supporting them. This story wasn’t covered by any news agency for almost 21 days as I watched and waited.

• Anonymous

  http://www.jewishjournal.com/opinion/article/exploiting_anti-semitism_to_destroy_occupy_wall_street_20111014/

  An ugly old tradition is back: exploiting
  anti-Semitism to break the backs of popular movements that threaten the power of the wealthiest 1 percent of our population. It is being used to undermine the Occupy Wall Street movement, which has conservatives in a state of near panic.

• Anonymous

  What do you think about corporations that move their factories to China, eliminating US jobs?

• Anonymous

  How about corporations that move factories to China, do you like them?

• Anonymous

  It is sad, isn’t it.

• Anonymous

  You’re right on, lynne!  Thanks for continuing to provide sanity while we struggle in the vortex of hate.

• Anonymous

  Do you have a link for this, I’m like to share the link in a post.

• Anonymous

  But, of course, when Wall Street tanked the economy in 2008, a lot of home values dropped below what was paid for them.

• Anonymous

  These big corporations pay zero taxes:

  http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ad-lib/2011/apr/10/tax-evaders-wall-shame/

  Here is the first one on the list:

  Bank of America took $336 billion in bailouts in 2009, but in 2010, flush with $4.4 billion in profits, it paid no taxes. Even Forbesmagazine asked, how is that possible? Probably thanks to their 115 offshore tax havens

• Anonymous

  LOL, yes that may be true . But  with out “Bread” there is no life to live.

• Anonymous

  I’m part of the 99%. You didn’t think I was the 1% did you? WE are in the beginning of a revolution. Just like the other one.

  No taxation without representation, all else is tyranny!

  Occupy Wall Street

• Anonymous

  I wouldn’t even ask!

• Anonymous

  It is bogus.  They are trying to use that to demonize the demonstrations. It is untruthful, as you know.  One of the biggest celebrations so far at the site, was among the many many Jewish demonstrators celebrating their high holidays.
  It was a big lie about that Mr Smith who has been walking around that area for a long long time (way before these demonstrations) with his anti-semitic rants and signs. It has nothing to do with Occupy Wall Street and the demonstrators.  It is separate.
  You can’t expect the truth from some quarters.
  I know people who live in NYC who are close to it. I go by what people like that (and others) who see and know , not by some posters on the BDN site! Clueless.

• Anonymous

  Spruce and Lynne:

  After reading the posts, I’m torn between an old maxim of ” don’t argue with stupid people because the first thing they’ll do is bring you down to their level and then take you with experience”, and simply recognizing that some are simply “lemmings on their way to the sea.” 

  However, I must say that the well-informed and rational mind seems to be at a slight disadvantage due to the “bubba” votes on this forum, so I’m shouldering up with the enlightened and those with a capacity to think (simply) and for themselves and for others.

  The voices in the park will rise above the din of those in the dark……

  Cheers mates~~

  Occupy!

• Anonymous

  Well-stated, lynne!  Thanks for the information.  I am heartened to hear that the Jewish demonstrators are finding a space to celebrate their holidays.

• Anonymous

  I find it disconcerting that so many comments are flying around about the audacity of citizens protesting the way our economic and political systems have betrayed the American Dream.

  Most seem to be coming form people who drape themselves in American flags and take great pride in carrying a copy of the Constitution around with them.

  This is the duplistic behavior that betrays their self-proclaimed patriotism.

  Patriotism? Moose Scat.

• Anonymous

  …..soooooo, you are trying to prove your point by quoting a useless, dimwit bulb…  funny, Dubyah ALSO said “I don’t care about the Constitution…it’s just a G-ddamned piece of paper!”

• Anonymous

  http://www.horowitzfreedomcenter.org/2011/10/18/alongside-anti-semitism-%E2%80%98occupy-judaism/

• AionNV

  Yet, they don’t stink as much as the hypocrisy of people like you.

• Anonymous

  You ought to cut back on the toxic kool-aid, old pal

• Anonymous

  I find this comment section disgusting. Not only do many believe that the right to protest is reserved for only a few, but they’re also giddy about a bomb being thrown at those they disagree with. 

  I am truly embarrassed to have these kinds of tactless and awful people as my neighbors. 

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  According to one of the people staying at the encampment the chemical bomb consisted of Draino, aluminum foil and water in a plastic soda bottle. The reaction that takes place explodes the bottle, sprays the slurry of the reactants around, and can cause serious chemical burns to anyone that is nearby and hit. Luckily no one suffered injury. The explosion was loud enough to wake people in apartments a block away. The Portland Police, I was told, have fingerprints and have identified someone involved.

• Robert Gallant

  Wanna blame congress then look at what has been running the country for the past 6 years oh wait I mean ruining the country!

• Robert Gallant

  Wanna blame congress then look at what has been running the country for the past 6 years oh wait I mean ruining the country!

• asa fitts

  Gee, sounds a LOT like the Koch Bros created Tea Party to me…

• asa fitts

  It was a Drano bomb, but don’t let the facts get in your way, pal.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  They clean the site themselves daily, and are in constant contact with police to resolve issues that arise. You don’t know what you are talking about, but I’ve come to expect that from people making such ignorant comments as yours.

• asa fitts

  Yeah, thank Eliot Cutler for THAT.

• Anonymous

  Let’s see. The Occupy protesters in Maine and across the nation have in this comments section been referred to as dirty bums, as stinking welfare cheats, as meth-smoking residents of their parents’ basements, as lazy freeloaders, as fleabaggers and neo-communist rats and vermin. 

  Now, at a loss to say something even uglier,  some of the commenters, people like mainer4ever and countryguy2010 and a couple more whose sentiments proved so offensive the BDN’s online editor suppressed them, have apparently visited the Free Republic rightwing bloggers command site in search of new inspiration. Now they’ve turned to  to posting  video links designed to play the anti-Semite card. 

  Sorry, cherry-picking through thousands of demonstrators to find one or two individuals who could be provoked into making some disparaging remarks about Israel hardly serves as credible evidence that the Occupy Wall Street participants and their many supporters across the country feel particularly hateful toward Jews. Not a few of them, in fact, are Jews. Indeed, any reasonable person who pays attention to Israel’s militarism and its treatment of its Palestinian population might have some uncomplimentary remarks to make but that hardly indicates hatred of  Jews as a people.  

  It’s interesting that many rightwing dupes like these commenters, people whose rhetoric demonstrates little in the way of a tolerant attitude, have now turned to squawking in pious outrage about the alleged anti-Semitism of those they disagree with. 

  Perhaps they don’t even known it but the source of this remarkably changed attitude among so many bigots is based upon a decidedly loony interpretation of the Bible that sees all the world’s Jews returning to their ancient homeland as the first step in an end-of-the-world scenario. At that point Jesus — who I suspect might weep at such nonsense — is supposed to put in an appearance and all the good (i.e. primitive) Christians will go straight to heaven. As for the Jews, they like everybody else on earth who doesn’t buy into this sufficiently to make a last-minute conversion is headed straight to H-E-double hockey sticks.

  If these commenters truly believe burning for eternity is the deserved fate of Jews who won’t convert, then perhaps it is their kind who might be characterized as anti-Semitic.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  You don’t seem to be at all business savvy. The US economy doubled in size from 1980 to 2008. Where did that money go if middle class wages have remained flat or decreased? You don’t know? Of course, you don’t.

• http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

  Or as Herman Cain Would say!

  The problem with your analysis,

  is that it is incorrect!

• asa fitts

  Portland police reported today it was a Drano bomb. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-20124833/chemical-bomb-thrown-at-occupy-maine-camp/ So much for your “guess”.

• http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

  The 1 % wont spend it!

  We might as well put it to good use!

  After all we earned it for them!

• asa fitts

  Some of the Occupy Augusta crowd are rabid tea party members, failed GOP city council candidates and gun nuts. Have a great time!

• Millicent

  meh, minor details, SpruceDweller. ;)

• Anonymous

  your reply is so transparent its pathetic. Not ALL Wal lstreet bankers engaged in this activity, and for the record, Wall Street isn’t all to blame, the people claiming to have the ‘insurance’ for those derivatives are the real crooks. People like you cause me to laugh. In one breath you condemn anothers post for lacking substance and then you post something that is accusatory, half truth, and condescending, typical of someone who has their hand out and wants more. There are a lot of good decent people out there without jobs and they’re not ‘demonstrating’. They’re out looking for work. Get it right or get out.

• asa fitts

  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-20124833/chemical-bomb-thrown-at-occupy-maine-camp/ Link to the story, so you’re not accused of making stuff up by the Freepers and Tea Party loons. Who don’t even realize that their “grassroots movement” was fully created and paid for by the Koch Bros and their billions.

• Anonymous

  Do you blame the likes of Barney Frank or Ted Kennedy….the champions of the poor that demanded the regulator relax underwriting rules so these people could borrow?

• Anonymous

  OMG, your statement was even more well-stated than Lynn14′s excellent statement.  Thanks for the inspiring observation – I am heartened to hear that such statements can be stated in this forum. 

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  Here’s a great interview of a guy that held a sign in Zuccotti Park that said: Harvard Men for Economic Justice.

  Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H3bhHYQ7i7w

  The wingnuts on this forum are thick today.  You’ve got them pegged. They don’t have the chops to deal with ANY of this on a rational level… 5th grade level maybe, but that’s being charitable.

• Anonymous

  Because they taking up good air.

• Anonymous

  Heh-heh. Police think the Occupy crowd probably wasn’t a target since a similar device was set off elsewhere. The hysterical libs will be disappointed. 

• Anonymous

   Actually I have an MBA and make a six figure salary. I am quite business savy and as a result I understand Profit and Loss something these freeloaders do not understand…stop taking my money and get off your behind and earn your own

• Anonymous

  They can do anything they want. If they can’t make money due to overegulation, they go to China and Mexico.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  The Bangor Daily News published an article about a Draino bomb attack on the Portland Occupy Maine encampment and then a bunch of uninformed people (themselves victims of the systemic inequality making life for the middle class more and more difficult, part of the 99% that got shafted by those with the all financial and political power in this country) making stupid comments about things they don’t have a clue about themselves, or the initiative, honesty, or curiosity to learn about for themselves.

• Anonymous

  And Liberal Democrats who have overregulated businesses in the USA.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  Hey, stiff, you think getting sprayed with a slurry of hot, reacting Draino is funny? I’ve read quite a few stupid, uninformed comments today about this incident. Your’s is right up there with the best of them in both departments.

• Anonymous

  This malicious comment SHOULD be removed, ptkitty, for the very reasons SpruceDweller laid out and the BDN agreed made sense. In mindlessly sharing what you think you saw, and from the cover of anonymity at that,  you are potentially putting innocent people at risk. That is contemptible.

• Anonymous

  Been to the camp here in California. Didn’t notice any bad smells, and the people were well behaved, polite, and articulate.

• Anonymous

  Didn’t know about it? Suuuuuuure you didn’t! LOL.

• Anonymous

  I am  I plan to retire early thanks to Google J&J  Exxon/Mobil etc etc

• http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NXPTPFL746OV2VGR5WBOEUF6W4 Roger

  I always have to wonder about those who are so upset about this incident
  where nobody got hurt ( thank god) but most of those are the same folks
  who are so upset a group of liberals got “attacked” also support Obama
  and him having a longtime  close adviser and contributor by the name of Bill
  Ayers.

• Anonymous

  they wrote those dumb laws and used them to con the public and even other investment banks. they are morally bankrupt people who are driven by nothing but greed.

• Anonymous

  Let me guess HORRIBLE CHEMICAL BOMB = stink bomb! Does law enforcement ever get tired of blowing things out of proportion to justify hugely expensive bomb squads and tactical teams for every cities depts.? Its time to cut these back and have regional response teams. Enough is enough!

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  You are the target, then. You wear it well.

  Savvy, huh? The work I do is up all over the place. You see it traveling down the highways and in the grocery store you likely shop in, so don’t tell me what you think I am about. What is the opposite of savvy? Doltish might fit.

  The guy in this interview was seen in Zuccotti Park in NYC holding a sign that said, Harvard Men for Economic Justice. Trying learning something from him, (notso)savvy.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H3bhHYQ7i7w

  And, you didn’t answer my question. Where did the money go?

• http://www.facebook.com/lpilot Lisa Pilot

  Definitely, freeze them out! :sarcasm:  Meanwhile, let them enjoy the same right to free speech as we are here, commenting on this story.  American’s taking advantage of their Democracy and expressing themselves is not something to be despised or mocked, but attacking such Americans IS.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  A chemical bomb made with Draino. You think getting sprayed with hot, reacting Draino is ok? Just askin?

• Anonymous

  Ha…… Not in the south and the west, the weather is quite nice in NOLA, FL, AZ and Cali …. Suffers like you will be shivering in Jan…. But Occupy Miami and Occupy Austin TX will be just fine …. Come on down to migration Occupy ……

• Anonymous

  Don’t be embarrassed. They’re not real people, they’re just paid trolls posting under multiple usernames and milking the “like” buttons.  It’s a game, just ignore them.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  We’re not going away with the winter setting in. Of that you can rest assured, Ms. Pilot.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  Just as spiteful and meaningless the second time.

• Anonymous

  I have read all the comments and would have to just say this. I make a very average wage at an average job that I go to every day with some weekends thrown in. I have invested in both American and foreign companies through the use of my 401k plan for the past 30 years, mostly mutual funds. I have seen my savings grow and shrink through the years but should be able to retire comfortably in about 11 years if I live that long. Sure, I lost value in my investments through rocky times and gained nicely during the good times. Again, I live modestly and dont get carried away with the latest and greatest craze. I would have no hope of retiring if not for Wall Street. There have been crooks and scandals but overall, I became very financially stable and self sustaining by working and saving money using he same system that is available to all of us. It is a great country. Protest all you want. Good for you. If you spent more time focusing on working and saving and getting ahead rather than rooting through other people’s pockets, whining about not having what the rich have and working a little harder you could be a successful, self sustaining American. I pay no attention to protesters of any kind. I just dont have time. I have to work and raise my family. My 15 year old has mowed lawns since he was 10. He makes more in a week mowing 10 lawns than he would working for minimum wage for 40 hours. He must be an idiot too. Working, earning and saving. He turns on the television and scoffs at the protests and cannot believe anyone has time to protest other people doing well. I have apparently brainwashed him into  wanting to work for success. I am completely in support of the one percent. I want them to do well. I want to do well. In closing, good luck to you as the occupiers. I hear how people talk about your quest. The people I am with are working as well. They sip coffee on their alotted break time and cant believe that anyone has time to do what you do. Someone has to be working to support your kind. Someone rich is supporting you through donations or taxes. You are merely sheep with a “sugar daddy shepard”. Your tarps and textile tents are made with foreign oil and made by large corporations. Your clothing is much of the same, most likely made by children in foreign countries. Millionaire rappers and movie stars vocally support you but return to their expensive homes via fossil fuel burning vehicles. Common working Americans are complaining about you. Sure, you have some support but it will pass. Go home or go work in a soup kitchen or shelter and try to make a difference. Rake a lawn for a lady on social security. Offer to shovel a neighbors driveway. Make a difference rather than annoying those who are trying to make a living.  

• Anonymous

  The fact of the matter is that 47% of the US pay no Federal Income tax yet because I am successful I pay close to 40% of my take home…if we continue to punish corporations and individuals for being successful they will move out of the country…these people that have been on unemployment for the last 2 years are free loaders plain and simple…get out and find a job…every American has the same rights and opportunity to succeed…the problem is that a large portion of the US have become lazy Socialists bordering communist…Then you have that idiot in the WH who seems hell bent on destroying this country…

• Anonymous

  You got it.

• Anonymous

  There is no logic or reason….and a lot of hypocrisy.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  Relative to your rightfully deleted comment, I like my country, thank you very much. It is the stupid things greedy people do to it, and with it that I REALLY, REALLY have trouble with. We used to be a republic. Now it is better described as a corporatocracy.

  Btw, I hear the dacha’s outside Moscow are affordable for those with extra cash laying around, in case you are looking for a nice place to relocate.

  And you still haven’t answered my question. Where’d the money go?

• Anonymous

  why   then do you keep electing the same people to office if they represent you?

• Anonymous

  You wonder where these people come from.  Maybe that is their only way of getting attention…….with nasty words and comments.  Nice…….

• Anonymous

  It went to the government and those who actually earned it…Greed is good it is what built this nation into a financial giant…Greed drives the economy…I strive to make as much as possible everyday and do not appreciate people like you suggesting you have the right to take what I have earned. As for moving be careful if you ask those of us who actually work to leave you will have to tax base left to steal money from

• http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

  Maybe they should get a job posting on the BDN website spreading hate and discontent for the government for the GOP.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  It’s the lack of objectivity, curiosity, critical thinking that is so troubling. I can’t fault someone for not understanding something, but to deliberately try to not understand is amazing.

• http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7T3YNF6MG3FPEAVTFIJC44VQUI Dlbrt

  What good is that?

  Its all gone!

  Trillions of dollars where wiped out as the result of  Bushes failures!

• Anonymous

  FACT..there are jobs if you want to contribute and work. There are no jobs to give you a handout.

• Anonymous

  occupy is to … as teaparty is to

• Anonymous

  many of the friends you may have, have 401′s, savings ira’s , stock s and rely on wall street and corporations to make money or their life saving , retirements are gone. not all people live check to check….. maybe you do….some of us look and invest for the future…corporations answer to stock holders which could be your best friend and you wouldn know it

• Anonymous

  corporation are doing whatever is needed to keep the company profitable… something you do not seem to be able to grasp…..

• Anonymous

  I’d rather not link to it. Do a google on “Free Republic” and “Occupy Maine” and you’ll find it.

• Anonymous

  But, of course, when Wall Street tanked the economy in 2008, a lot of home values dropped below what was paid for them.     
  ***************************************
  Happened in the mid 1990′s too, and on a smaller scale sometime around the late 1970′s.

• ptkitty

  A question for BDN.   Does SpruceDweller have a special privilege on this Comments Forum?   At least 10 comments were Flagged and Removed followed by an immediate Reply from SpruceDweller.  It looks like anything SpruceSweller doesn’t like gets Flagged and Deleted.  What’s up with this?

• http://www.bangordailynews.com Bangor Daily News

  If SpruceDweller has not violated terms of use than that user’s comments may remain. The comments that have been removed violated terms of use, such as name-calling and personal insults.

• http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EJOGAIS4HSNBZLQLVNEOZFYVBY RonG

  and you, the bankers, and the ceo’s who have been getting richer while the nation has been falling into poverty don’t seem to understand one simple fact; another name for worker is consumer. you had better start planning for a world where there are very few consumers to buy the cheap crap made overseas.

• Anonymous

  Even Milton Friedman say corporations shouldn’t use “force or fraud,” like Wall Street did.

• Anonymous

  AIG held the insurance for Goldman-Sachs, or some similar shenanigans.  It was all Wall Street–bankers, insurance and those who supplied triple A ratings for junk bundled mortgages.

  The movie Inside Job won an Oscar and spells out the Wall Street corruption in full.

• Anonymous

  Yeah, real minor :o

• Anonymous

  You realize China hates our Bill of Rights, and by supporting China’s growth, we effectively aid a massive police state become the #1 power in the world.

• Anonymous

  Thank you, cheers to you also.  I do try to focus on arguments.  The tide of lemmings has a mighty pull but I try to stay moored to decency.

• Anonymous

  You seem to think you’re supporting the protesters. What a conceit. It must be nice to be so full of yourself you think you know everything.

• Anonymous

  So where did the money go? You’re so busy boasting about your six-figure income, your ethic of shameless greed and how you support half the country. Take an honest moment to  stop BSing us and answer the man’s question. Or having taken all your cheap shots, Mr. BS, just quietly disappear with your miserable tail between your legs. 

• Anonymous

  That response is both sinister and pathetic. You sound like a 14-year-old who has just discovered Ayn Rand.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  You haven’t been paying close enough attention.

  You might learn something from this:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H3bhHYQ7i7w

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  The 47% don’t pay because they are either without a job, or not getting paid enough to pay. It proves the point of inequality. This movement has the potential to right a very unequal, unfair system that the very wealthy have made for themselves and those that buy into their system.

  That money didn’t go to the govt. Wealth transferred upward. Get a clue, savvy.

• Anonymous

  …not trying to discredit you, but I recently heard they were also targeting face book…where mine could very well be just a rumor…I’d be curious to know if you remember where you heard that they were going after fox news…sometimes I wonder what would happen, if that particular snake (fox) lost it’s head…

• Anonymous

  I did answer the question. It is you and the others that seem bent on redistributing wealth that are clueless. 

   ”A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned – this is the sum of good government.” 
  Thomas Jefferson I do not find greed shameless provided you obtain your wealth with a moral code. Everyone in this country has the same opportunity to succeed most are simply too lazy to do so…I will say it again go earn your own money and stop stealing mine….As for where the money went it went to these ridiculous entitlements and social programs we have in this country. Obama looks for votes by giving things away. It is like a kid in a candy store…I think you are all nuts and simply do not get it at all…

• AionNV

  “Everyone in this country has the same opportunity to succeed most are simply too lazy to do so”
  Unless you’re a minority, an atheist, gay, or a woman.

  A steady stream of patent lies doesn’t make you business savvy, it merely makes you a propagandist.

• AionNV

  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, spare us, gomer.

• AionNV

  That can’t be true, because you have no class.

• AionNV

  The protesters annoy you ?

  Wow, you must really not have a life.

  Maybe you should move somewhere that your values are respected, like Iran.

  You certainly aren’t much of an American.

• Anonymous

  …Our Founding Fathers never intended Corporations to get a foothold…they were well aware of the consequences of wealth building as an institution, as well as the greed of a large government…put the two together and you have a perfect storm.  Remove the temptation and greed…and maybe our politicians will do as they were elected to do.  If all the Corporations left for some other country then more people would be free to step up and run their own businesses and manage their families without the unnecessary  inflated economy brought on by a corrupt government and runaway corporate interference in local economies (and I am certain that when enough conservatives and liberals both wake up to the fact that their way of thinking has been infiltrated and controlled by a hand full of  organizations, run by those interested in keeping enough misinformed, to inflate the numbers enough to make the Republic work in their ( those organizations) favor…they will jump like rats from a sinking ship.)  If you think that all the occupy crowd are a bunch of freeloaders, it’s because you are being told that by those you listen to…you are being programmed.  I personally don’t think the government is going to do anything for me/us, because they are being paid not to…only when enough people get fed up with being robbed (yes robbed, because many of us have worked hard and played by the rules) and join together with like minded people, will the Republic begin to take a new direction…and it will both shrink government and corporate corruption  (…it’s possible that a true Democracy will find it’s way into the country, but that would be a big  fundamental change in the national character)  You say you have no problem with Wall street, because you are either lying about your business or because you don’t understand the full scope of your actions ( oh and 6 figures is not that wealthy…not the kind that shapes the lives of millions of people)…I keep rereading your rants, but you are so all over the place and it’s all just so much programmed drivel…and why would you think that being successful somehow absolves you of paying taxes, of the need to maintain the same Commons that we all depend on for our quality of life?  Do you think that if everything were privatized, that there would not be someone bigger than you ready to snatch up what you worked hard for?  Or that those in power would enrich anything but the food you eat?  Right now, in this country, our two party system is divided from within and supporters of government and corporate interest, both, are blind to those that have been doing the manipulating…Wake Up……on that note, I’m going to bed.

• Anonymous

  Awww, get out of your sleeping bag and go get a job.

• Anonymous

  they can hang out on my property if they will help me pile some wood!?

• Anonymous

  I am not sleeping down there, isn’t that wear you get
  the toxic kool-aid? I kind of like the police and think
  they do a very good job. You have a problem with that?

• Anonymous

  They are protesting because Wall Street ruined the American economy. My husband and I had retirement money in the stock market. Wall Street traders played games that caused the stock market to tumble down catastrophically. My husband retires in less than one week. We’ll have less to live on because of Wall Street shenanigans–yet they got off scot free, and get millions of dollars in bonuses!

  My husband and I have worked all our lives. Please don’t accuse us, or people in the park who feel as we do, of being lazy people who are jealous of those who work.

  Do YOU save for retirement? Did YOU save enough to invest a bit? Or have you spent yourself into debt, and are envious of people like us who saved and planned ahead… only to have an unregulated Wall Street slash our savings?

• Anonymous

  I sense that you believe what you speak of and appreciate it. I do not agree with your opinion, obviously. I note that each time you denounce another’s viewpoint you attempt to educate them.  The problem with your tactics is that sometimes people feel that they have something to say and want to say it without having to answer to the self imposed “forum educator”. Because someone does not agree with you does not make them stupid or foolish. I believe everything I wrote and did not need help looking up facts on YouTube. Thoughtful of you, but believe it or not I read and inform myself on a daily basis. I also love to learn about both sides of any issue. People are not stupid or moronic because they disagree with you. We all come from a different place and a different value system. Two others remarking on my comments called me conceited and not much of an American. Oh yes,  and I dont have a life. While I will place those comments in my quiver of great thought and commentary, I will make it through the day. I believe strongly in the right to protest, I just think you need a purpose and a plan. I dont see that in this movement. I see anger and jealousy and hatred for anyone that has done well. That is un-American. The right of people to protest is clear, the protest itself is not.

• http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DZVOZU6JNL5ZDZW3VNASGTCCTY Clyde Grant

  Corp. Am./Big Business will never relent as long as they have “sheep” such as yourself as employees.

• Anonymous

  Straw man arguments are rarely well-said.

• Anonymous

  I never said I did not want to pay taxes. However I should  not have to pay any more than anyone else. 47% of this country pay nothing yet the liberals want to tax me more….I believe a flat tax is the only option. As for Wall Street I can ensure you I am not lying about my business and I can also ensure you I have no problem with Wall Street as they were (less a handful_ working within the laws of this country. I am so sick of liberals demonizing wall street the very group that invests in innovation and creates jobs everyday…You simply do not get it…also do not assume I am being “brainwashed” I am free thinker and have been around long enough to understand the world. 

• Anonymous

  Read the signs protesters are holding ….. It might clear up your deep confusion about why Occupy movement is growing ………

• Anonymous

  As for you AnionNV, I have looked through the comments and found your vast knowledge sprinkled throughout. It is like reading an interesting book from a library only to find that a small child has taken a stubby red crayon and scribbled his or her own thoughts across the pages. While I thank you for the invite to Iran, I decline. Your thoughts here have once again enlighteded me to the fact that no matter what the topic, someone like you will make it into an anti-gay, anti-women or anti-minority discussion. You bore me.

• Anonymous

  The Occupy movement is about having a government the represents the will of the majority of the people. Not the wealthiest 1 percent. It’s about having a true democracy. I know this is scary stuff to you Tea Party people.

• Anonymous

  I am an Atheist and I have no more or less opportunity than anyone else….give me a break

• Anonymous

  You argument is full of fallacies. I believe it is quite clear that there message is that the super rich are getting richer while the economy is in the dump. Where are the getting their money – from the 99%. Calling people clowns is ad ad hominem. Many of these people are doctors and other professional WITH well paying jobs. They are compassionate and they don’t wave a bible at you. Everything else you claim is false as well. You show me how ignorant some people can be.

• Anonymous

  “You earned it for them”…more like “I sat on my couch eating Cheetos, but give me Obamamoney!”

• Anonymous

  The Occupiers are afraid to let the anti-Jewish feeling of many in their crowds get out into the press. But anyone with a camera can capture it and we can see the fear in the words of their supporters on here. Too bad they don’t see how closely intertwined all this hate the rich talk is to hate the Jews that was so common in 1920′s Germany.

• Anonymous

  Not with me it doesn’t and not with 109 other people who have like the statutus as of 6:44 this am.

• Anonymous

  pot calling the kettle black . . .

• Anonymous

  Help us God, you can’t be for real!!!

• Anonymous

  Jobs aren’t supposed to give you a ‘handout’!  What does that mean anyhow?

• Anonymous

  . . . sounds like the liberal crowd to me . . .

• Anonymous

  the website title says is all . . .  no need to read a slanted view

• Anonymous

  rick08 has more likes than you because he represents common sense and most people still have it.

• Anonymous

  Are you a wall street banker?

• Anonymous

  I don’t. The elections are fixed. It is the system. From the 14 points of fascism.

  4. Fraudulent elections 

  Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

  Read bradblog, blackboxvoting and markcrispinmiller for details.

• Anonymous

  If the local news clips are correct….what makes these people think that we should be responsible for their college loans? What is so terribly wrong with getting a job and earning your way through college like the rest of us did? Does it build character and responsibility?
  Are there no jobs? Have you been in Bangor lately? There are help wanted signs everywhere. No, many of the jobs are not executive positions, but they are paying jobs that will help get these people out of our pockets, and pull their own weight. Do the jobs not pay enough? Then get a second, just like many of us do to make it through the winter, and not burden the other people who are also struggling to survive, but are forced to support these people FIRST, before we allowed to care for our own families.
  You may not need a paying job to do something good, but the very best thing you could do is get a paying job and get off our backs. Then if you have the extra time and money to “do something good” have at it.

• Anonymous

  I think that many of you, because of your undying ignorance for the political party of your choice, have lost the whole meaning of what is going on.

  Many who played by the rules, are now left jobless, homeless, and without much of a future in today’s world.

  There is more than enough blame to be shared here.  The Republicans and Democrats both spent like drunken sailors, there is in my opinion, not much difference between the parties.  They all will tell us what we want to hear to get elected, and then do exactly what they choose.

  I think what they are saying, in a rather confusing manner, is that something has to change.  America is not the country it used to be.   Most of us were raised with the work hard, live within your means, and help others and you will be fine.   Many of the people demonstrating, did all those things, and through no fault of their own, have been forgotten by our system.

  The reason there is so much noise being made about these “occupy” movements is that people are taking notice, and just about everyone is in the same boat.  Most are living paycheck to paycheck, and most of us have very little confidence in our jobs being available in the future.  Combine this with the Wall street guys who have figured out to profit no matter what happens to the economy, and you have a perfect storm.

  You’ll hear the Republicans denigrate this to the moon, because the one thing they fear is that people will become mobilized, and these groups have more in common with the voters of America that their status quo is in doubt.  You’ll hear the Democrats stand behind the groups, because they represent a fringe just as bad as the Tea Party people.

  We can blame everything on the past, but what these people are looking at is change for the future.  We are losing a whole generation of income generating Americans.  When it’s time for these people to step, up, there will be nothing to step up to.  The housing crisis is not yet over.  The bankers are not loaning money, and the wealthy have turned off the capital faucets.

  Until this logjam of political bickering ends, we can’t look forward to much improvement.  The politicians have turned Americans against their fellow Americans.  As long as they can continue to do this, it’s business as usual.  What the “occupy” movement about is some significant change so that this economic mess doesn’t repeat itself in the future.

  I work every day, and I have contributed to their cause.  In a way, they are carrying the torch for me, because they have nothing else to do.  They help me to vent my frustrations with the America of today.

  As for the caliber of available jobs, there isn’t much out there anymore. 

• Anonymous

  Anger issues Stevie boy?

• Anonymous

  This is a bit off topic from the article, being that the main theme is a bomb was tossed into the area. That breaks my heart, people should be able to voice their opinions and stand for what they believe in without having to worry about being in danger. After reading a lot of the commments, there’s a lot of strong talk about people being lazy, corporations and how Wall Street screwed us. Ok, yeah it sucks. We’re in a jam now and something needs to be done.

  What we really need to start doing is buying American made products. Unfortunately they are hard to come by and usually a bit more expensive. But think about it, if the American Consumer is buying and showing interest in American made products, then they will need to create more jobs to keep up with the demand.
  I read a lot of articles about big box corporate stores opening here and there and the jobs they create. Most of these jobs are either customer service, cashiers, or management in some way and the pay is rarely more than 13 dollars an hour or so. (Unless you’re a Store manager or someone in a similar, higher up position) While this does create some jobs, they are not highly desirable jobs and you’re working for a big box corporation which more often helps itself than it does it’s local community and residents.  Also one thing to keep in mind is that some products made overseas are made by children’s hands, making pennies a day.
  Why not open a textile mill, clothing or furniture factory here in the area. The jobs would be local, the product would be locally made; it would help us support one another. Win-win!
  I think it’s a huge problem that we don’t “make” much stuff here in the states any more. A LOT of manufacturing facilities and companies have closed up shop and moved over seas to get cheaper labor. While that makes for a lower price tag for us, where are the jobs that generate the income to be able to purchase these cheaper items? Oh yeah, they went overseas!
  I know I jumped around quite a bit in my post here but I feel very strongly on the subject and had a difficult time condensing my thoughts, and I apologize. But, think about it!
  Lets support one another, buy American!

• Anonymous

  Who is this guy wall street you talk about? Its certainly not like congress is ?. We know congress is a set group but it also trickles down from them to the lobbiest and the their supporters who expect a return on their election donation.So now wall street is millions of workers who do not even work on wall street. millions and millions of investors down to the regular Joe with savings and investment who expect to see a gain on their investments . You get ripped off at a bad restaurant you can get ripped of on investments you can ripped off buying a car.. nothing is certain when your free . If you do not care to be free then some countries would be happy to have you under their rule… and you will only have what they, want you to have.. maybe no laptop or internet.  This is the USA. you have a choice….if you do not like it ….either move or move on, but don’t dwell on the past.

• Anonymous

   wall street is not only wall street as you think…. it also goes further than the USA

• Anonymous

  well said

• Anonymous

  A site called “free republic” told republicans across the country to visit BDN to “like” the conservative comments on this article.

  I kid you not:

  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2797222/posts

• Anonymous

  Thank you for this powerful and poignant statement.  It amazes me how much injustice has been perpetrated on people who worked hard all their lives–and the greedy deceitful treacherous Wall Street banks and their allies are just getting away with it.

• Anonymous

  Imagine ten societies, each one more corrupt than the last.  As they get more corrupt, more hard-working people fail no matter how hard they try to get ahead.  At what level, 1-10, would you say that the corruption should be challenged by the people, instead of simply accepted?

  Or, on your view, does justice always come second to being a slave?

• Anonymous

  If Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand are against Wall Street’s deception and tricks, anyone who is a serious free market capitalist should be too.   Why don’t you learn who this people are–they are the hero’s and geniuses of right wing economics.

• Anonymous

  He has more likes because a national republican website told all its readers to come to this particular article and “Like” conservative comments:

  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2797222/posts

• Anonymous

  Wall Street cheated its own investors.  It told them to buy a certain derivative, then bet against that derivative, because they knew it would fail.

  What do you think of that?

• Anonymous

  I’m going to give you a “like” for that.  You are right!

• Anonymous

  So why stop at this? Why not grow a pair and overthrow the government like all the other countries who have had enough of their government’s BS?
  It all leads back to a corrupt government, that we sit back and allow, because we don’t have the stomach to take back control like our ancestors did.
  You can not take back control of your government by protesting in a park.
  This is the same government that we allow to give themselves raises as they see fit. Do you recall casting your vote to give them this power? Or did they seize it?
  A government that forces healthcare on us that they do not participate in themselves, they give themselves a supreme health plan at our expense.
  I could go on, but you get the message.

• Anonymous

  considering that most of our founding fathers were rich slave-owners, the concept of getting what you earned can’t be used…and to keep throwing everything back to the founding fathers is getting more than a bit ridiculous.  One just needs to remember that our founding fathers also said that “all men were created equal”..as long as they were white land owning men.  Our country was founded by elitists who snowed the public with rhetoric to keep them under…sound familiar?

• Anonymous

  But what is their goal, I heard an interview on the radio from the people in the Augusta camp and they asked them what would make them pack up and they didn’t know. I think some people have good intentions with this but there are others who are there for the wrong reasons. Wall street and corporate America are too blame but we are forgetting one group. Us, some of us signed these mortgages knowing they couldn’t afford them and this is one of the reasons were in this mess also. Time for everyone to hold themselves accountable, top to bottom

• Anonymous

  Thank your unions.

• Anonymous

  backing up your arguments with quotes from a slave owner is beautiful..and your paranoia about people stealing you money is sounding manic

• poormaniac

  God , I hate to agree with you because of my conservative values.  I have seen “insidejob” and recently “capitolism, a love story”.  Your above post reminds one to look at what happened to the Roman empire to predict where we as a nation are headed.  I’m one republican who is actually proud of these protestors.  If Recon actually thought about it , how long would it take to pay off a student loan at minimum wage ? Not many good paying jobs left in this country.  I suppose the kids could study politics and go after those jobs that pay full pay for life after just one term, or those jobs exempt from the national health care plan with full medical benefits.  Be careful of those who want to restrict your freedoms. 

• Anonymous

  does your mind engage before your hands hit the keyboard?  your rantings are vitriolic and juvenile, and if anything, make any valid points you hope to make get buried in your drivel

• Anonymous

   Thanks for the clarification on that, pal.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  Do you really believe you count for something in this exchange?

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  Nope, never visited it until you pointed it out.

• Anonymous

  I did not make the bad decisions that made the stock market crash a few years ago, depleting my retirement savings. That was done by unregulated Wall Street brokers who are currently getting million-dollar bonuses for their supposedly excellent performance–which brought this country to the verge of Depression II. Who’s not accepting personal responsibility? Wall Street.

• Anonymous

  You can argue all you want with whomever you want, but that doesn’t tell me one iota anything about these occupiers. I know one thing, if they are anything like the ones who were protesting (more like, rioting and creating a nuisance) on Wall Street, NYC, they must be nearly all scumbags. Whether or not they are, I don’t know why this newspaper (BDN) is giving them so much publicity. Is it the liberal left trying to get their supporters stirred up for the 2012 elections? That would make sense since this unbiased newspaper supports it all the way, and the likes of Wall-Street-corrupt Greek foreigner George Soros who is intent on “setting back” this country is funding the “Occupy” movement.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  You are part of the 1% that Occupy Wall Street represents i.e. the far left lunatic fringe. Having socialist labor and shill Democrats tag along thinking there is some spilled milk to lap up doesn’t offer you any consensus. Your “revolution” is unarmed,unprincipled, misguided, and driven by an underlying hatred for what makes this Country unique and successful. Until you mature out of your stunted adolescence, you will sit among the smelly, unwashed entitlement masses whose only incentive in life is public thievery.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  Obama’s supporters.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  The economy tanked due to several reasons, not the least among them being government pressure and acquiescence in tinkering with the realities of financial risk i.e. pushing loans to unqualified applicants and bundling them under the auspices of Fannie and Freddie.
  The price of homes had been vastly overstated for years and those who thought the bubble was going to ever after continue to expand were idiots. The markets need to be left alone at this point to correct themselves. Keep government out of it or you and your family will suffer even more.

• Anonymous

  This is no different than the  MPA doing the same sorts of things. It happens. The difference is this is a one shot deal. The MPA makes a living off of it.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  Obama loves them. He has one of their chief architects from GE running the show.

• Anonymous

  And since these are people you disagree with, it doesn’t matter if they get hurt.

• Anonymous

  The language is the same. It is scary they have media help with it. Then they did in Germany and the Soviet Union also.

• Anonymous

  Many of these folks are all about themselves. They’re basically spoiled leeches and pests our liberal society caters to and many of the posters in this venue abet. 

• Anonymous

  HOPE AND CHANGE!

  We got the change.

• Anonymous

  Makes a living off what?  How?

  Evidence? Reference?

• Anonymous

  I am sorry to hear that you lost some of your retirement money, most have including myself. When you chose to invest in the stock market did you not heed the warning that there is a substantial risk involved? Were you praising Wall Street when you were earning money hand over fist when the market was good? Did you pay attention to your investments or were they on cruise control without any regard to a potential loss? I check my investments on a regular basis and make changes as needed and limit my losses the best that I can. If you choose to stay invested in a higher risk investment to get the higher yield than the losses will be higher, those are the “101″ basics of investing. I am not trying to diminish your situation, just trying to point out that we have to as individuals take responsibility for our own money that we choose to invest.

• Anonymous

  I’m not saying there is no problem, but go to where the problem is, which is the government. None of this is going to change the government. It needs to be overthrown, and start over, just as other countries are doing. This is no more than a lap dog nipping at the government’s heels, a nuisance, when what’s needed is a wolf at their throats.
  Again, as hard as I worked to pay off my college loans, why should I pay for these people’s education? So they can coast through college taking “Liberal Arts”, the most popular course of study? Which qualifies you for nothing after you get out?
  Nobody is more against corruption than I am, but I despise irresponsible people, who expect others to pay their way. Whether it’s their education or having children that they knew they couldn’t afford when they decided to have them. There is no excuse.
  You lost any credibility that you ever had, when you preached blatant redistribution of wealth on this site a couple weeks ago.

• Anonymous

  In other words you hate your country and what it stands for…how about you move to North Korea the government will take care of you there

• Anonymous

  Lay off the MSNBC dude..I am done with this exchange as it obvious you simply do not get it and never will…we will see who wins in 2012

• Anonymous

  How very Soviet of you.

  “exploiting
  anti-Semitism to break the backs of popular movements”

  Nice to see you agree with Aljazeera.
  http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/10/2011101510466829989.html

• Anonymous

  Tell me, what were the names of the people whose homes the protestors visited to intimidate?

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  Excellent suggestions, Sammy. 

  The economic environment we are in is the largest contraction in economic activity since the 30′s, with people, and small and medium sized businesses reeling under the weight of debt and poor demand for goods and services. Poor demand because people are paying down their debt, fearful of losing jobs, out of work, and with consumer demand nearly 70% of aggregate demand in this country the businesses they tend to frequent are feeling the loss of these customers. The small and medium sized businesses are not hiring much because they have such low demand and have to keep their current employees as productive as they can to avoid more layoffs. Buying American, but also buying LOCAL, is one of the best things any of us can do to help. Also to lobby to bring jobs back home. IT CAN BE DONE.

  What the govt can and should do is work to fix the crisis in housing the mortgage servicers (Chase, BoA, Wells Fargo, Citi) helped create by their fraudulent, sloppy, hamfisted handling of mortgages. This includes giving unqualified people exorbitant loans they knew they couldn’t afford. The slicing, dicing and bundling of these loans into derivatives consisting of highly toxic, high risk mortgages in a mix with perfectly good mortgages threw honest, hardworking people under the bus when these high risk gambles were found to be impossible to put a value on. The investment banks that sold these derivatives for a profit and then bet against them knowing some would fail, profiting again by their failure, is considered by too many people “upstanding American-style capitalism,” when in truth it is little more than a bait and switch pilfering of those honest, hardworking American families. MILLIONS OF THEM.

  We can thank the GOP for much of the response, or lack of response, to this crisis. They are obstructionists that are preventing the tried and true historical responses from being implemented with their self-serving and lunatic fixation on the debt and deficits. 

  Keynes informed FDR to address the housing crisis of the late 30′s when FDR cut back on govt spending too soon and drove the country back into recession in ’37. When FDR took Keynes advise, things turned around. ALL of the numbers of that time support this. Obama is trying to pass legislation to address underwater mortgages; the GOP ONCE AGAIN are saying NO.

  And no, Freddie and Fannie were not the major culprits of the housing bubble and crisis. Europe experienced the same bubble and crisis and it had absolutely NOTHING to do with F and F.

• Anonymous

   What stinks is the government you all trust… fanny mae & freddie mac cheated Billions of homeowners and investors out of money.”.temporary mortagage payments” knowing those people could not continue to make the payments. the banks were told to do the same and if  should i say when the defaults came they would be bailed out of the fdic back loans……. make bernie madoff look like a saint…. barney frank and his budddies hsould be in fed prison.
  Now oBoooma. has come out with too late too little plan , a 1/2 arse plan to only help  only fanny & freddie recoup some money.. as defaults continue he knows collecting some mortgage payments is better than none at all… but it should go furture to inclde any one else with a mortgage from banks also. why did he not do this earlier? Obama wanted the bailouts to happen. now its relection time and hes grasping at straws.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  There are many people in the movement that have done very well, yet, they see the inequality, they see that it is wrong, unfair, systemic, and they speak up. It is not a matter of simply “workin’ hard, ” as you intimate. The fact that you and yours are so industrious is great. Would that all children were like minded. Some are and some aren’t for all sorts of reasons. But surviving in this country isn’t simply a matter of workin’ hard. Such facts like the US economy doubling in size but the middle class  NOT benefiting from this expansion (except by taking on mountains of debt) are not trivial. We have been here before, and the result was the Great Depression. There is a reason why our current troubles have been so closely tied to what caused that collapse of the economy and trust in a social contract in that time.

  And no, people are NOT moronic or stupid simply for disagreeing with me. Many are, as evidenced by their responses, but far fewer are able to put together a cogent argument as to why they believe what they believe. The system of corporate control of govt that we have evolved is harmful to your way of life and mine. As the fellow in the video clip said, things are screwed up. If you can’t see that, I have to question your ability to see what is happening clearly. 

  There is nothing whatsoever anti-American in the OWS movement. Some within the movement are on the fringe in their beliefs, but so are many tea partiers. The sessionists, for example, in Texas or Alaska. That’s their right to express such fringe ideas, but they are still way out of the mainstream. A multinational corporation’s first priority is to its shareholders, not to it’s nation-state. As stated in the clip, that is a conflict, and more un-American than those of us protesting against the greed and inequality that we are suffering from. 

  I AM VOICING CONSERVATIVE IDEAS OF LAW AND ORDER, JUSTICE. The corporations are the radicals with their insistence that their rights and the exercise of their financial and political power supersede those of individual Americans. They are the radicals, not me.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  You like the police? Why do you support kicking them out of their jobs with the radically selfish proposals you like to carry on about?

  A DOJ study just released puts the lie to the rightwinger policies of cuts and austerity in the deluded rush to fix something that ain’t broke:

  By the end of the year, it’s expected that nearly 12,000 police officers and sheriff’s deputies will have been laid off.
  Approximately 30,000 law enforcement jobs are unfilled.
  An estimated 28,000 officers and deputies have faced week-long furloughs in 2010.
  An estimated 53 percent of counties are working with fewer staff today than just one year ago.
  2011 could produce the first national decline in law enforcement officer positions in at least the last 25 years.

  So you like the police? Sure, you do. Just not that they should have jobs.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  Your opportunities are limited and not more or less equal. In the 70′s one parent worked, maybe both, but on average only one. The woman often stayed with her children. By choice. That choice no longer exists for the vast majority of middle class families. Both parents MUST work JUST to keep up. 

  Many of those 70′s families did well enough to send their children to college. Now young people graduate from college with so much debt they no longer have many choices on how to proceed with their lives. I have worked with a twenty year old coming out of school carrying 120k in debt. Her one choice was to start paying off what she owed, and that is her one choice for the next several decades. If middle class wages had kept pace with the growth in wealth in this country this would not have been the “choice” she faced when leaving school.

  The old truism that America is the land of equal opportunity has been lost. It is no longer the case. 

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  Nope, bing. Confident in my beliefs.

• http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FMQWHLW66JY4BX4JQBDNDASZ4A Carol Rathbun

  What I’d like to know is….what happens when these people start moving into our neighborhoods screaming & yelling…”why should you have a house & car & I do not!”   I’t the old story of the jealous “have nots” against the “haves”. Sounds like good old communism to me. One other thing….they are costing everyone thousands of dollars in damages, extra  police protection, cleaning up their messes, but it sure dosen’t seem to bother them.

• Anonymous

  “Every generation needs a new revolution” — the person who primarily wrote the Declaration of Independence said that.

  He also said this:

  “Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”

  So, I agree with you on that.

  As for redistribution of wealth, it was Forbes Magazine, not me, that praised the redistribution.  We redistribute all the time in this country.  The question is, What is the best way to redistribute?

  As for irresponsible, it is hard to beat Wall Street destroying the US economy, and in fact the world economy, through reckless and rabid trading, combined with deceit and treachery.

  Maybe the students were reckless in getting buried in depth. The Tree of Knowledge was the most important one in the Garden. Knowledge is power.

  Or maybe you’d like this: Information is the first principle of warfare.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  You don’t know what you are talking about Ms. Rathbun. Inform yourself before saying things about this movement that you know nothing about. You might even discover that you are as much a victim of the inequality and unfairness of our current society. 

  The Portland Occupation is not costing the city of Portland anything extra. The encampment is cleaned regularly, the trash picked up and disposed of, tents are moved on a regular basis, and grass seed put down to reseed the ground, relations with the police have been cordial, regular, and respectful. Educate yourself with some objective firsthand experience. You might find your opinion is not supported by what is actually happening.

• Anonymous

  What do you think of Al Jazeera?   Just curious.

• Anonymous

  I’d like a reference on this.  I’d be happy to read the article.

• Anonymous

  I agree with you the government is also to blame in the Wall Street scandal.  Did you know that Republicans dominated the government during the scandal, and for the whole 8 years of W’s reign?

• Anonymous

  Really?  Do you have a reference on that? 

  Here’s another one for you:

  “Exxon/Mobil, received huge oil subsidies from the government and earned $45 billion in 2009 but paid no taxes, again thanks to stashing profits in places like the Bahamas and Singapore. “

• Anonymous

  I agree with you, Obama is corrupted, but also:

  “News Corporation, Rupert Murdoch’s media monolith that owns Fox News avoids paying American taxes through its 152 subsidiaries in tax havens from the British Virgin Islands to Hong Kong. “

• Anonymous

  I see they’re (free republic)  HQ’d in Fresno, CA. Ever been to Fresno? Says a lot about their decision-making process! LOL

• Anonymous

  Under ordinary circumstances what you say would make sense. But NOT when a stock market crash is caused by malfeasance among stockbrokers in a poorly-regulated Wall Street environment. To blame those who lost money in the recent market crash would be like blaming the ordinary citizens who lost their savings in the 1929 stock market crash.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  The tinkering with risk goes back to the early 1990s although Bush does not escape some blame for continuing it.

  Also, the Democrats took control of Congress after the 2006 elections. That is also where you see the true debt spiral beginning.

• http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DQYJRNTL4E3A3B7OXXQVK74HZM Kathy S

  Did you read the article? The girl was a 14yr old runaway that had consensual sex with someone she lied to about her age. There has been no decision to prosecute. Not saying it wasn’t inappropriate, but it is a long way from the “RAPE” that so many were spreading rumors about yesterday.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  The Obama administration is flush with Wall Street people. GEs Jeffrey Immelt heads up Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board.

  The Republicans are advocated eliminating the taxes on those overseas earning to bring them back to the US where it can be reinvested in capital here. THAT is how jobs are created.

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  We will see who wins in 2012. And I actually agree with you that the dark side IS likely to win in 2012, but not because of their being in the right and proposing what is right for the country. 

  The Citizens United decision has so skewed the playing field toward strengthening the corporatocracy the outcome will be equally skewed as a result of the unequal political power the decision bestowed on the already powerful. Violent revolution may be the result. As Nouriel Roubini wrote last week in his essay, The Instability of Inequality: 

  http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/roubini43/English

  inequality breeds instability, revolution, violence. Unfettered capitalism will self-destruct because it creates this instability. “…Even before the Great Depression, Europe’s enlightened “bourgeois” classes recognized that, to avoid revolution, workers’ rights needed to be protected, wage and labor conditions improved, and a welfare state created to redistribute wealth and finance public goods – education, health care, and a social safety net. The push towards a modern welfare state accelerated after the Great Depression, when the state took on the responsibility for macroeconomic stabilization – a role that required the maintenance of a large middle class by widening the provision of public goods through progressive taxation of incomes and wealth and fostering economic opportunity for all.”

  Destroying this system as the GOP and the rightwing have been doing for the past 30 years is generating this destructive instability. It can not end well.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  What is corrupt about having business interests around the world and properly filing and paying taxes as required in those various countries?

• Anonymous

  You aren’t surprised, are you….

• Anonymous

  Good for you for flagging that.

• Anonymous

  Well stated.

• Anonymous

  I thought much the same as your response.  Sad and pitiful isn’t it…..

• Anonymous

  You  aren’t the one who sounds angry.

• Anonymous

  Oh, you couldn’t take the truth and gave up when you couldn’t control any longer.

• Anonymous

  you have it all figured out don’t you…actually I remembered something my dad told me years ago…”You can’t fix stupid” therefore I gave up trying to make you understand the reality…I am done beating my head against the wall since you are hell bent on creating an entitlement freeloading society where everyone gets a medal….good luck with that…The republicans will win in 2012 because most Americans understand that they are what is best for this country

• Anonymous

  I guess I was naive…

• Anonymous

  I’m proud of him too.

• Anonymous

  Are you saying the Republican Congress can control what another country chooses to tax its citizens and businesses?

• Anonymous

  So you think big corporations should pay taxes in the countries they do business–except the US?

• Anonymous

  Actually it is the liberals like Barney Frank that caused this crisis by insisting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack (sp) give loans to people who not afford them..but hey you can live in your dream world and blame Wall Street..

• Anonymous

  Nice deflection. Do you agree or disagree with those protestors that are expressing anti-Semitic statements at Occupy rallies?

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  Once again, not so savvy… Freddie and Fanny had nothing to do with the housing bubble and bust that inflicted the same catastrophe on European housing markets. F and F came late to the game that Countrywide and other mortgage originators started. 

  I will agree with you that there was concerted push to get more people into houses, and that came from both political parties. But the fundamental facts as to why the bubble took off and then burst have little to do with what Barney Frank, Freddie and Fanny were doing. Inform yourself, sir.

• Anonymous

  I have informed myself and I know the truth..something you seem to want to ignore..once again I can’t fix stupid…I have tried to help you out but you seem hell bent on being wrong about everything

• Anonymous

  The right wing sites try and keep this anti-semitic thing going.  As if there is much credibility there.  Strange, isn’t it, the very large percentage of demonstrators who are Jewish!  (and this is not anything new or unexpected with a large percentage of Jewish people always being more liberal than not.)
  They (opponents of demonstrators) are using that to deflect from the main reason these demonstrations are happening, all over the country and world.  But they aren’t getting anywhere with trying to keep it going.   No matter the facts with some. They tried to use one transient down in that area who has been walking around with his signs for years (Mr Smith) as some argument, but fell flat on their faces.

• Anonymous

  tick…. tick…. tick….

• Anonymous

  tick….tick….tick….

• Anonymous

  And you post here as being informed person on whats going on, but haven’t a clue??? are you from posting from some amazon tree top? Try reading between those lines.. and stop listening to the biased cbs , nbc news.. think when you turn 12 you will understand how things work. climb down from your tree 

• Anonymous

  Funny how someone who describes themselves as business savvy can’t even spell it.  Where did you get your MBA, Sears?

• Anonymous

  It’s okay if you’re afraid to supply a reference, I understand.

• Anonymous

  I read that there is a cheesecake there carrying a sign that says, “Ban Cheese Danish!” Do you agree with the racist sentiments of this cheesecake?

• Anonymous

  You are correct I am horrible at spelling always have been. I got my MBA from Old Dominion University

• http://profiles.google.com/sdemetri Stephen Demetriou

  Ad hominem name calling isn’t an informed argument. You tell me, if you are so well informed, what F and F had to do with the european housing crisis. 

  You don’t know?  I didn’t think so.

• Anonymous

  We choose to invest in the markets, nobody forces us to. My point is nobody was singing the praises of all the investment bankers when everyone was doing real well in stocks. It is the same Wall Street then as it is now. We as intelligent adults know how the financial markets work with speculation, false reporting of financial performance and the dirty backroom deals. We just don’t complain as long as we are making money and are 401k account is plump. Don’t get me wrong. I am not trying to provoke an argument, just trying to make a point.

• Anonymous

  The police could start their investigation of the culprits by reviewing lists of registered Republicans.

• Anonymous

  Same thing with banks, would you say? It doesn’t matter if they’re run corruptly–if your bank fails because the bankers are corrupt, and you lose your savings, tough luck? You didn’t complain as long as the money was safe, so how dare you complain if the bank fails due to a banker’s criminal behavior?

• Anonymous

  Maybe I came across a little harsh…I was tired and I’m no better as I learn to deal with where I fit in as a patriot (no, I’m not Libertarian)  as a citizen and as an individual with dreams and goals of my own…I’m no Liberal, and yet I see Wall St. as a bloated cow that gives milk every day, because the  person-hood responsible for feeding said cow, takes and takes and takes from fields that don’t belong to said person-hood…and the laws that support their behavior come from a majority of like-mined people and those like minds get their like thoughts swayed and prodded from the few people that are interested in everyone not waking up to the fact that they are manipulating and robbing everyone…at first you wake up to confusion…then you think it’s a war between two groups…then you realize the truth is that a few people have a vested interested in creating chaos and confusion to cover their activities.  There are people inside our own government that work for the vested interest of these people…and I’m not talking about shareholders( although we all as shareholders bear the responsibility for investing in companies that rape and pillage other citizens and other countries citizens)….a flat tax would be nice by me, because I’m living better than many out there that have inflated mortgages and student loans, (except now, with the over-inflation of the market, I’m subject to the same violent economic forces as everyone else…so my wealth and savings and investments are siphoned along with yours and every other taxpayer…to the pockets of a few) but there are many in power (some with vested interest in controlling other peoples debt, for example) that have no interest in paying any taxes…and I mean that they manipulate the law so that it is done all nice and legal…at the expense of Mr. and Mrs. Joe Taxpayer.  We (you and I and everyone that pays taxes) are picking up the tab for their political interference.  Liberals do whine about Wall St., but so do Conservatives whine about not wanting to participate in social justice.  There is a mindset that includes the best of both camps, while shunning both greed and laziness…It’s united we stand, or divided we fall…and if this Country falls, then we will all be subject to the same market forces as the rest of the world (with no leverage whatsoever)…Lol, many out there are saying “oops, too late.”

• Anonymous

  You’re an accountant?  You can’t be a very good one if you’re paying 40% of your (total) income in taxes.

• Anonymous

  Guilt by association.  It worked for Joe McCarthy, why not Cheesy?

• Anonymous

  God no way…I am not an accountant very boring work…the combined salaries of my wife and I put us in the highest bracket there is….I hire a CPA to do my taxes…I am a Business consultant specializing in Six Sigma and have my PMP and certified in VIA

• Anonymous

  What did you get your MBA in at Old Dominion?

• Anonymous

  Right turn Clyde! Corporate America is us. Me. I am investing my way to a healthy retirement by using the same things that you hate.  Maybe some of my interest over the years was destined for you, except you didnt take the opportunity to get it. I cant help that. Calling me a sheep is not going to change that I am an American success story. I dont know anyone who works on Wall Street. I have, however, gained financially through Wall Street. Maybe you couldnt hold a job I have no idea. I dont care. The poorest among us live better than the rich in most countries. Because Clyde? Because? Bam, you got it. Because people that are working are supporting the poorest through taxes that come back to you as entitlements. Social Security Disability, Public assistance etc. We are broke as a country not because the rich have too much, its because the government has made people dependant on an unsustainable bucket of feed. Lawyers sue good companies out of existance because people want easy money. If being successful makes me a sheep then come clean my stall out and Ill leave a little something special here for you! Try to enlighten someone else. I love it here and its not because somone is living in a park because they choose to. Its because you can be anything you want to be if you decided to stop whining and work around the flaws that are inevitable in a free and open society.

• Anonymous

  By the way Clyde, did you have to entice your significant other or good friend to like your comments. Because to have two “likes” after a gem like that is like getting two golden tickets from to sequentially numbered Willy Wonka Chocolate bars. Possible, but only in a movie.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  I am stating that a Republican Congress and President can affect tax law such that profits that are kept offshore for tax purposes can be repatriated back to the US for capital investment in this country.

• Liberal Soup N Crackers

  Taxes should be paid if due in the country in which the business was conducted.

• Anonymous

  I am a member of the Maine tea party, or as we like to be called the Tea Baggers, and let me say I am appalled that that chemical bomb did not in any way hurt those communist and socialist pigs “Occupy Maine”  Don’t they realize it’s their fault that they don’t have jobs.  And that it’s their fault that America is in a depression because they love gays?  I hope they get hurt and are forced to go to a hospital and pay ridiculous rates for their injuries, then they can see the glory of capitalism in this society!  If you agree and want to support the Maine Tea Party, visit our new Website lemonparty.org

• Anonymous

  That is not a good comparison as savings accounts are insured through FDIC and we know that when we make deposits, as we know that there are risks when we invest in stocks. Remember that the government made and supossedly enforces the laws that the big banks and investment houses operate under and that is where the problem lies. The majority of the “Occupy Wall Street” protesters are protesting in the wrong location, they should be calling themselves “Occupy Pennsylvania Avenue” or “Occupy Congress”

• Anonymous

  You’re willing to excuse criminal behavior when its effects are mitigated by FDIC insurance.?

  I agree that one problem is the government’s lack of regulation of Wall Street. The Republicans have worked hard to make sure regulation is minimal, and we’re all suffering as a result.

  I like the idea of Occupy Pennsylvania Avenue and Occupy Congress!

• Anonymous

  I am not or will I ever excuse criminal behavior. I was merely pointing out that we know when we deposit monies into a savings account it is insured through FDIC and would almost negate any loss by the average depositor. We also cannot keep pointing the finger at one party or the other, both parties have failed us miserably and need to clean up their act ASAP. I am a conservative  (there is a differance between a Republican and a Conservative) and will fall to the beliefs of most Republicans, but also hold them to blame as well as Democrats. I also believe not many of the “Occupy” protesters have had to live the life of an adult yet, and are only looking for something to protest.

• Anonymous

  You’ve generalized these people into unemployed liberal artists who want to be handed free money, which is simply not true.  I agree with and support the protesters, and I’m in the top 15% of wage earners in this country.  I’ll tell you here and now why I agree with them: the government is run by the corporations.  Protesting the government is like arguing with a bank teller – they’re powerless, and you’re wasting your time.  Ever wonder why Obama was full of hope and change, and we got more of the same?  Bush was all about crossing the aisle and working with everyone, and we got more of the same.  So this time, the Fed lowers interest rates and gives banks billions of dollars in bailout money, and what do the banks do?  Loan the money to homeowners, people buying cars, starting businesses?  Nope.  They use that money to buy up the very treasury bonds that were used to finance bailing out the banks, raking in the easy money on the backs of the taxpayers.  What are Obama, the Democratic Senate Majority, the Republican House Majority all doing?  Nothing, except dancing with the ones that brung ‘em and giving the 99% the same lip service we’ve been getting for years.  These are not citizen representatives, these are corporate sponsored career politicians, doing what they’re told to do.  It’s time to stop switching from one party to another and pretending we get a say in what happens.  It’s time to start standing up to the puppet masters and telling them we know what’s going on, and we want it to stop, and stop now.  I’m glad you’re doing well, and I’m glad I am too, but fewer and fewer people are, and we’re working harder for less.  It’s not about redistribution of wealth, it’s about not wanting to use what little we have to finance the extravagant lives and corrupt, greedy businesses of the 1%.  Thank you to the protesters for standing up and making a difference.

• Anonymous

  FDIC will guarantee up to $100K in an account.  I just checked TDBank, and with $100K your high-yield savings will bank you an incredible 0.7% APY.  After one whole year you’d be a whopping $702.25 richer.  If you were a financial advisor, do you really think you would recommend that as a retirement savings vehicle?  Of course not!

  The current minimum wage in Maine is $7.50/hr.  That’s $1300/mo at 40 hrs/wk.  I challenge you to come up with a budget for a single person, no kids, for that much money.  Make sure you include rent, utilities, transportation, food, living expenses like clothing and toiletries, and maybe even the occasional beer with friends.  UMaine costs $19,532 this year for tuition, room and board, and that doesn’t count living expenses.  Can you go to college on minimum wage?  Can you afford to pay student loans on $80k of college costs over 4 years?  I would suggest that it’s harder than ever for these young folks to make it, and that’s why so many of them are protesting.

• Anonymous

  Oh yeah, now try it on Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan, where they pay 9% income tax (no slackers in HIS USA!) and 9% federal sales tax on top of the 5% Maine sales tax.  But there are no capital gains taxes, so they won’t have to worry about paying the government for any profits they make on their long-term investments.  Whew!

• Anonymous

  And France, Poland, the US, any number of other places where anti-semitism was rampant in the 1920s.  But I can see how singling out the Nazis and Communists would help you make your point.

• Anonymous

  Anti-semitism is a terrible thing, and needs to be extinguished wherever it exists.  But don’t discount an entire movement because of a fringe group with a perverted message.

• Anonymous

  OR…  You could provide references.

• Anonymous

  MPA.

• Anonymous

  I can see your point. But, If they were the KKK joining them in the encampments what would be the reaction then?? Would they be as tolerant of a fringe group like that?

• Anonymous

  Makes no difference to me – racism in any form should not be tolerated, whether they’re wearing sheets and pointy hats or jeans and baseball caps. I would hope people would stand against racism. But I also hope you and others do not discount the entire movement because of a racist fringe.

• Anonymous

  I am the reference

• Anonymous

  read above for those of you who can’t gather information and think without reading some elses opinion in news papers or tv

• Anonymous

  “we want you to list your references”I’ll give you the same moronic response you give to people when you do not understand simple common sense….is that all you can come up with is …………”list your references..” what a waste of time you are..

• Anonymous

  list your factual references not fictional hollywood movies.

• Anonymous

  list your references

• Anonymous

  list your references

• Anonymous

  list your references

• Anonymous

  list your references

• Anonymous

  you like to tell pople to list references then you need to also… so waste your time obviously you do not work

• Anonymous

  list your references

• Anonymous

  list your sources

• Anonymous

  list your sources

• Anonymous

  No, what you posted was not an opinion; it was a fact for which you cannot provide a reference, because you made it up. There’s a difference.

• Anonymous

  Great info and analysis.  Thank you!