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A struggle for acceptance: Gender identity disorder

Posted Sept. 02, 2011, at 11:25 a.m.
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Editor’s Note: A transgender child and her parents, who have sued the Orono School District, sat down recently for an interview with the Bangor Daily News. The family asked that only first names be used and the town where the girl lives and the school she attends not be identified.

When his twin sons were born, Wayne figured he had nearly half a basketball team. Like many first-time fathers, he was ready to buy deer rifles and baseball mitts for his sons before they could crawl.

It wasn’t long before Wayne and his wife, Kelly, realized that despite the twins’ genetic makeup, Wyatt was different from his identical brother.

“By the time he was 3, I knew something was going on,” Kelly said. “He always liked girl toys and girl stuff. He’d always identify as a girl if whatever they were playing had a girl character.”

Kelly sought help for dealing with what eventually was diagnosed as gender identity disorder, also known as gender dysphoria. She wasn’t interested in changing her son, just in supporting Wyatt and helping him navigate society.

A transgender person is born one biological sex but identifies himself or herself as belonging to the opposite gender.

“My attitude has always been — this is my kid, this is what my kid likes, how can we get some help,” she said.

Helping Wyatt, who now is named Nicole, has brought the family to the halls of the State House and to the courts. The family has witnessed both acceptance and prejudice. They recently moved more than 100 miles away from their home in Orono to give their daughter a fresh start.

A warm welcome to Maine

Wayne and Kelly’s start came nearly 20 years ago at an occupational safety conference. He worked in the safety field and she was in marketing. Kelly grew up in Indianapolis, and Wayne hailed from a small town in upstate New York.

When the twins were 5 and about to enter first grade, Wayne took a job at the University of Maine and the family moved from upstate New York to Orono. Kelly went to work for the University of Maine Police Department.

“We made it our business to educate everyone about transgender kids,” Kelly said. “We had get-to-know-you parties for neighborhood kids and classmates and their parents.”

Some of those families remain friends.

Nicole also was very open about how she felt, Wayne said.

“When she was in third grade,” her father said, “she’d go around saying, ‘I’m a boy-girl.’ It made perfect sense to her. The next year, she told people she was a girl trapped in a boy’s body. It always was easy for her to talk about.”

The family also tried to answer questions honestly from the parents of their children’s friends who had never known a transgender adult or child.

“This dad, an Ohio State grad who’s 6 foot 6 and whose daughter is friends with Nicole, was standing at the end of my driveway talking to me,” Wayne said. “He shook my hand and said, ‘You guys are good people. She’s a good kid.’ And that was the end of it. The town climate was supportive of our daughter.”

So was the school district. Or so it seemed.

Exit Wyatt, enter Nicole

“The first few years were like a utopia,” Kelly said. “Everyone on the staff [at Orono’s Asa Adams School] was very supportive. The school counselor spent a lot of time doing lots of research.”

That atmosphere changed abruptly in the fall of 2007 when the twins were in the fifth grade. That was the year Wyatt made the transition to to Nicole. She legally changed her name, let her hair grow and began wearing girl’s clothes to school.

She also began using the girls bathroom at Asa Adams with, what her parents said, was the support of school administrators and staff. Shortly thereafter, a male student and his grandfather objected to Nicole’s use of the bathroom.

“This kid came into the bathroom [in October 2007] and said, ‘My grandfather says we don’t have to have any faggots in our school,’” Wayne recalled. “What do you do with that? It was quite a change.”

On Oct. 9, 2007, then-Superintendent Kelly Clenchy decided Nicole should use a staff bathroom rather than the girls bathroom, according to the lawsuit Wayne and Nicole have filed in Penobscot County Superior Court against Clenchy and the department.

Paul Melanson, who is the legal guardian for his grandson, complained in December 2007 to the Orono School Committee that a boy was being allowed to use the girls bathroom. Melanson said he had spoken with Clenchy, who denied the situation was happening, according to a Dec. 19, 2007, story published in the Bangor Daily News.

He maintained that the same anti-discrimination laws being used to justify a transgender child’s use of certain restrooms also could be used to justify his grandson’s use of the same bathroom. Melanson sought out and received support from the Christian Civic League of Maine and its then-director Michael Heath.

“Things changed as if a light switch had been hit,” Wayne said of the effect of Melanson’s complaints.

Nicole spent the 2007-2008 school year in sixth grade at the Orono Middle School. The school’s solution to Nicole being bullied by other students, Kelly said, was to institute what administrators called the “eyes-on policy.”

Portland attorney Melissa Hewey, who represents the Orono School District in the lawsuit, said the “eyes-on” practice was the result of a meeting with Kelly and Wayne before their daughter entered middle school.

“The family was concerned about how things would go,” Hewey said. “They basically said, ‘Can we have someone keep an eye on her at those unstructured times between classes?’ This is something the family asked for.”

The practice is common and endorsed by the Maine Administrators of Services for Children with Disabilities, according to Hewey.

Nicole, however, found it stressful.

“An adult would stand 15 feet away from me wherever I went,” she said. “When I would go to the bathroom, they would follow me. When I would go to the lunchroom, they’d follow me. It was like I had an invisible string attached to me and they were on the other end. It was ridiculous.”

“Eyes-on” was the final straw for Kelly and Wayne.

A public debate

“I realized that my kid didn’t have any rights and I didn’t know how to protect her,” Kelly said. “We tried to work with the school for a whole year.”

So Wayne and Kelly hired a lawyer and in April 2008 filed a complaint with the Maine Human Rights Commission over Nicole’s access to the girls bathroom at Asa Adams. More than a year later, in June 2009, the rights commission found that the School Department had discriminated against Nicole in what was one of the commission’s first decisions involving schools, gender identity and bathroom use.

In a cross-complaint filed by Melanson, the commission found that the school did not unlawfully discriminate against his grandson “because of his sexual orientation,” which is a heterosexual male. The investigator’s report also found that Nicole had not been harassed, according to Bennett Klein, the family’s attorney. Klein works for Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders in Boston.

The commission, along with Nicole and her parents, in November 2009 sued the school district in Penobscot County Superior Court over her use of the girls bathroom and the school’s treatment of her. On April 1, Superior Court Justice William Anderson dismissed the claim that administrators at Asa Adams School were obligated under the Maine Human Rights Act to allow her to use the girls bathroom rather than a restroom for staff.

“[T]his ‘accommodation’ claim would impose upon Superintendent Clenchy and the various school entities defending this suit an obligation to accommodate [the child’s] transgender status by allowing her to continue using the girls’ bathrooms consistent with her gender identity,” the judge wrote. “Neither the language of the [Maine Human Rights Act], the language of the [Maine Human Rights Commission’s] own internal regulations, nor prevailing case law interpreting the Civil Rights Act requires this type of accommodation.”

The judge allowed the claim that the school discriminated against Nicole when she was at Asa Adams School and another seeking damages to go forward. That portion of the lawsuit still is pending in Penobscot County Superior Court. The original complaint has been amended to include other alleged incidents, including the “eyes-on” practice during her year at Orono Middle School.

On behalf of the school district, Hewey has denied all the allegations outlined in the amended complaint.

While the first phase of the lawsuit was pending, in December 2010, newly elected Rep. Ken Fredette, R-Newport, introduced a bill addressing the use of public restrooms by transgender individuals. He cited the problem at Asa Adams and an Auburn restaurant’s refusal to allow a transgender woman to use the women’s bathroom as his reasons for sponsoring the bill.

Fredette sought to give school systems and business owners more leeway in making decisions affecting who should use their restrooms after the Maine Human Rights Commission ruled against the school and the restaurant. Opponents believed the legislation would have restricted transgenders from using the restrooms of the sex with which they identify.

Despite the publicity, the family’s name was not printed in the Bangor Daily News. The lawsuit used the names John and Jane Doe for Wayne and Kelly and Susan Doe for Nicole. Her name was not released by the Maine Human Rights Commission either.

The family, however, decided it was time to take a public stand before the Legislature.

A hearing on Fredette’s bill was held before the Judiciary Committee on April 12 at the State House. Wayne gave emotional testimony against the bill. Nicole spoke privately before the hearing to a few members of the committee and the bill’s sponsor.

“Talking to legislators, I wasn’t all that nervous,” she said several weeks later. “It didn’t matter that they were members of the Judiciary Committee or not. I was just trying to persuade more people to our way of thinking. Later, I thought, ‘Oh, my God! What did I just do? I can’t wait to tell the kids at camp about this.’”

The Maine House and Senate defeated the bill in June.

A new, ‘stealth’ start

With the legislative battle settled for now and a new school year beginning, Nicole and her family are settling into a new routine.

Before the 2009 school year began, Kelly and the children moved to southern Maine and the children were enrolled in school there. That put them closer to Boston, where Nicole is undergoing treatment at the Gender Management Service Clinic at Children’s Hospital.

The move meant Wayne would spend the week in Orono alone and head south for weekends with his family.

“We basically had to separate but it is better here,” Kelly said. “The school is more supportive but she’s stealth here.”

“Stealth” means that teachers and administrators know Nicole is transgender but her fellow students do not.

“I’m not a big fan of being stealth,” Nicole said. “I would like my friends here to know. I feel my bond with them would be closer if they know. I don’t have that connection here that I do with my friends in Orono. I know that my friends in Orono truly support me but I’m not sure they would here.”

The family decided to talk about their experiences in an effort to educate the public about children who are transgender.

“I just want people to know that we’re normal people,” Nicole said. “We have a minor setback we were born with. We have our ups and downs but that doesn’t make us that different. Some people are blond. Some people are brunettes. Some people are boys. Some people are girls.”

Having a daughter has become so natural, Wayne said, that he barely thinks of Nicole as Wyatt any more.

“We were going into Walmart one day,” he said. “I got out of the van and I went to hold my son’s hand and he’s like, ‘Get away from me, Dad,’ because he’s in puberty and is not going to hold Dad’s hand in public.

“But Nicole took hold of my hand,” Wayne continued, “and I thought, I have a daughter. So, I’m going to get to do this the rest of my life.”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1661139447 Becky Turner Sherwood

    The eyes on policy should have been for the rest of the school, they are the ones with the problem.  Sigh…hang in there.  ”It gets better”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LOATUGTPRQGCBZHQU6XZ4M4X2E page5girl

    During my childhood, my parents hated “black folk and jews”….You know who I ended up disliking? My parents. For their ignorance.

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    During my childhood, my parents hated “black folk and jews”….You know who I ended up disliking? My parents. For their ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    The fact remains HE still is a MALE.  He is still legally a MALE even in MAINE.  You can change your name to anything you want. You have male equipment you are a male.  You can not legally change your sex on your birth certificate until such time as you have completely removed those body parts.  So right now your SON is likely breaking the dress code with his hair, and his clothing.  This MALE is now in Middle School? How are you hiding the fact that he’s a male when they are changing clothes for gym?  Teachers, Principals and Doctor’s are mandatory reporters. And they are all failing in their mandated responsibility to allow this charade to go on.  I hope in a few years when a lied to young man asks this supposed girl out on a date… that his family sues these whack jobs for fraud, misrepresentation, whatever you want to call it. And I hope they sue the school the doctors and all involved for allowing this fraud to continue.

  • Anonymous

    I understand from reading the story that Nicole, formerly Wyatt and who I will refer to using femine pronouns,  self identifies as a female, has let her hair grow long,  dresses as a female, and is holding herself out as a female to her fellow students at her new school.  But I have some questions: (1) Does Nicole have a penis or a vagina?; (2) Which bathroom does Nicole use at school, the boy’s bathroom, the girl’s bathroom, or the staff bathroom?

  • Anonymous

    I understand from reading the story that Nicole, formerly Wyatt and who I will refer to using femine pronouns,  self identifies as a female, has let her hair grow long,  dresses as a female, and is holding herself out as a female to her fellow students at her new school.  But I have some questions: (1) Does Nicole have a penis or a vagina?; (2) Which bathroom does Nicole use at school, the boy’s bathroom, the girl’s bathroom, or the staff bathroom?

  • Anonymous

    This child is far, far braver than those who will be coming to this forum to ridicule what they are going through.

  • Anonymous

    I won’t pretend to understand transgenderism. Nor do I expect everyone I meet to understand my homosexuality.

    But we can agree that we are all deserving of a safe environment to live our lives in peace, can’t we?

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely!

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely!

  • Anonymous

    Not that you have any strong feelings about this or anything,

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely, and without doubt.
    The part I found disturbing in this article/topic, is the remark of that grandfather to his young grandson…”faggots”,etc.
    Someone teaching and modeling bigotry and hatred is what disturbs me and many others.

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely!!

  • Anonymous

    There are ways to educate oneself and learn more about transgenders and others.
    The Bangor Public Library has some books, as do others.
    One at the Bangor Library is “LuLu is Back in Town” which makes for interesting reading and more insight.
    Or, people can just remain in the dark with their unfounded and misinformed perceptions .

  • Anonymous

    Case in point, Cher Bono’s daughter Chastity who in now Chaz Bono. This occurs in famous families too.  It must be easier though  for an adult than it would be for a child of Nicole’s age.

  • Anonymous

     What I am wondering is this: Does simply professing your desire to be a member of the opposite sex make you transgender? Maybe I am a little slow on the progressive acceptance train, but I thought transgender required some sort of surgery? Like transexuals. Either way, you should be treated equally no matter who you are.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it funny that as soon as one defective individual comes along that all of the sudden we need to change society? This is the most disgusting thing I have ever read. To me it doesn’t even sound like the parents tried to do anything to correct the child’s behavior. You don’t just change society because one person is in conflict. On top of all this it sounds like the school department tried to do everything they could and still got sued! This is just a bunch of nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    This is such an ignorant, intolerant post on so many levels.  Without knowing specifically which school this student is attending or the schools specific dress code it is generally safe to assume that dress codes generally deal with suggestive/revealing clothing and that which  is promoting drugs/alcohol.  This student is not doing any of that.  I don’t know where you went to school, but where I did we didn’t get naked when changing for gym class.  Teachers, Doctors and Principals are mandated reporters.  What is it that they should be reporting and to whom?  But what really takes the cake is your comment about the law suit.  The situation presented in this case is not fraud by any stretch of the imagination.  It is very unfortunate that you have such strong, misguided feelings on this matter but what is worse is that you are alone.

  • Anonymous

    This is such an ignorant, intolerant post on so many levels.  Without knowing specifically which school this student is attending or the schools specific dress code it is generally safe to assume that dress codes generally deal with suggestive/revealing clothing and that which  is promoting drugs/alcohol.  This student is not doing any of that.  I don’t know where you went to school, but where I did we didn’t get naked when changing for gym class.  Teachers, Doctors and Principals are mandated reporters.  What is it that they should be reporting and to whom?  But what really takes the cake is your comment about the law suit.  The situation presented in this case is not fraud by any stretch of the imagination.  It is very unfortunate that you have such strong, misguided feelings on this matter but what is worse is that you are alone.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    This isn’t even the most disgusting article in the paper today, in my opinion.  The dog fighting article was WAY more disgusting.  What is disgusting is intolerance.

  • Anonymous

    This isn’t even the most disgusting article in the paper today, in my opinion.  The dog fighting article was WAY more disgusting.  What is disgusting is intolerance.

  • Anonymous

    I think you can read the story and answer these questions for yourself. I prefer to focus on the uplifting bravery of Nichole, the love and protection her parents have shown, and the good news that this family has been able to make a new start in a new area.

  • AionNV

    I have to agree with you.

  • Anonymous

    You should look more into this if you are curious, but to answer your question briefly: gender reassignment surgery is a route some transgender people take, but it would be inappropriate to suggest this for a minor.

  • AionNV

    The problem is it isn’t just one, it isn’t a “defect”, and there’s nothing all of a sudden about this issue.

    Unless you’re still living in the 50′s, that is.

  • AionNV

    The problem is it isn’t just one, it isn’t a “defect”, and there’s nothing all of a sudden about this issue.

    Unless you’re still living in the 50′s, that is.

  • Anonymous

    Have you read up on this topic? Transgender people do not appear to suffer from a defect, nor is this viewed as a mental illness. Studies of brain patterns have shown there is something fundamentally different about those who identify as the opposite sex from their biological makeup.

    Transgender people are different, just like everyone else.

  • Anonymous

    I truly feel bad for Paul Melanson’s grandson. What kind of guardian tries to make a case that their heterosexual grandson should be in the girl’s bathroom?

  • Buzlno

    My parents tried to change my left handed brother from being a “defective individual” to use his right.  Didn’t work.

    He was born with that  ”defect”!      SAME DIFFERENCE!!

    The only ones “in conflict” are people like you.   Neither my brother nor this kid see anything wrong, and neither do most people.

  • Anonymous

    Or sends him to school with the thoughts in his head that were quoted.  I don’t know either of them but am willing to bet that if the grandfather hadn’t put those words in his head, the grandson wouldn’t have used them.  Most children are tolerant until some adult imposes their will upon them.

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    I don’t mean to be offensive to those who consider this “normal” (in fact I believe that the transgender debate is so far beyond the gay/lesbian debate and FAR BEYOND what I consider “normal” attitude for a childe; let alone anyone considering such a process) but “feeling like a woman” is certainly different than “being a woman”.

    1. There are two sexes on this planet: Man and Woman. God made Adam and Eve; not Ada and Everett. Or alternatively Adam and Steve. If you don’t believe in God; persay: man is scientifically defied as a male species and a female who has reproductive organs is a female species.

    2. I don’t mind homosexual relationships. To me in this debate is relatively null. A woman who wants to become a man obviously wants to have sex from the male position; alternatively a man who wants to become a woman obviously wants to have sex from the female position. In most cases  they do want to stay in relationships with their former sex; which to me is beyond confusing. Others – yeah they want to date opposite sex after the surgery; but again that presents all sorts of ???? I’d rather not get into.

    3. Saying that a child who is born a man but is “obviously” a woman because of the way he/she acts is in my book the most FUBAR thing you can do to a child. I won’t have any of that in my household.

    I challenge the BDN to block me after this comment. Its informative:

    STUDIES HAVE PROVED THAT MEN WHO BECOME WOMEN LATER IN LIFE ARE SUBJECTED TO BECOME MORE LIKELY A CHILD MOLESTOR/SEXUAL PREDATOR. WOMEN WHO HAVE BECOME MEN ALSO SHOW SIGNS OF IT BUT DO NOT HAVE THE RATES LIKE MEN WHO BECOME WOMEN.

    Like I said; the gay and lesbian thing I approve of. The bisexual thing; yes I approve of that too…but this is beyond BEYOND what is normal…I would’ve called DHS a long time ago.

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    I don’t mean to be offensive to those who consider this “normal” (in fact I believe that the transgender debate is so far beyond the gay/lesbian debate and FAR BEYOND what I consider “normal” attitude for a childe; let alone anyone considering such a process) but “feeling like a woman” is certainly different than “being a woman”.

    1. There are two sexes on this planet: Man and Woman. God made Adam and Eve; not Ada and Everett. Or alternatively Adam and Steve. If you don’t believe in God; persay: man is scientifically defied as a male species and a female who has reproductive organs is a female species.

    2. I don’t mind homosexual relationships. To me in this debate is relatively null. A woman who wants to become a man obviously wants to have sex from the male position; alternatively a man who wants to become a woman obviously wants to have sex from the female position. In most cases  they do want to stay in relationships with their former sex; which to me is beyond confusing. Others – yeah they want to date opposite sex after the surgery; but again that presents all sorts of ???? I’d rather not get into.

    3. Saying that a child who is born a man but is “obviously” a woman because of the way he/she acts is in my book the most FUBAR thing you can do to a child. I won’t have any of that in my household.

    I challenge the BDN to block me after this comment. Its informative:

    STUDIES HAVE PROVED THAT MEN WHO BECOME WOMEN LATER IN LIFE ARE SUBJECTED TO BECOME MORE LIKELY A CHILD MOLESTOR/SEXUAL PREDATOR. WOMEN WHO HAVE BECOME MEN ALSO SHOW SIGNS OF IT BUT DO NOT HAVE THE RATES LIKE MEN WHO BECOME WOMEN.

    Like I said; the gay and lesbian thing I approve of. The bisexual thing; yes I approve of that too…but this is beyond BEYOND what is normal…I would’ve called DHS a long time ago.

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    I don’t mean to be offensive to those who consider this “normal” (in fact I believe that the transgender debate is so far beyond the gay/lesbian debate and FAR BEYOND what I consider “normal” attitude for a childe; let alone anyone considering such a process) but “feeling like a woman” is certainly different than “being a woman”.

    1. There are two sexes on this planet: Man and Woman. God made Adam and Eve; not Ada and Everett. Or alternatively Adam and Steve. If you don’t believe in God; persay: man is scientifically defied as a male species and a female who has reproductive organs is a female species.

    2. I don’t mind homosexual relationships. To me in this debate is relatively null. A woman who wants to become a man obviously wants to have sex from the male position; alternatively a man who wants to become a woman obviously wants to have sex from the female position. In most cases  they do want to stay in relationships with their former sex; which to me is beyond confusing. Others – yeah they want to date opposite sex after the surgery; but again that presents all sorts of ???? I’d rather not get into.

    3. Saying that a child who is born a man but is “obviously” a woman because of the way he/she acts is in my book the most FUBAR thing you can do to a child. I won’t have any of that in my household.

    I challenge the BDN to block me after this comment. Its informative:

    STUDIES HAVE PROVED THAT MEN WHO BECOME WOMEN LATER IN LIFE ARE SUBJECTED TO BECOME MORE LIKELY A CHILD MOLESTOR/SEXUAL PREDATOR. WOMEN WHO HAVE BECOME MEN ALSO SHOW SIGNS OF IT BUT DO NOT HAVE THE RATES LIKE MEN WHO BECOME WOMEN.

    Like I said; the gay and lesbian thing I approve of. The bisexual thing; yes I approve of that too…but this is beyond BEYOND what is normal…I would’ve called DHS a long time ago.

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    I don’t mean to be offensive to those who consider this “normal” (in fact I believe that the transgender debate is so far beyond the gay/lesbian debate and FAR BEYOND what I consider “normal” attitude for a childe; let alone anyone considering such a process) but “feeling like a woman” is certainly different than “being a woman”.

    1. There are two sexes on this planet: Man and Woman. God made Adam and Eve; not Ada and Everett. Or alternatively Adam and Steve. If you don’t believe in God; persay: man is scientifically defied as a male species and a female who has reproductive organs is a female species.

    2. I don’t mind homosexual relationships. To me in this debate is relatively null. A woman who wants to become a man obviously wants to have sex from the male position; alternatively a man who wants to become a woman obviously wants to have sex from the female position. In most cases  they do want to stay in relationships with their former sex; which to me is beyond confusing. Others – yeah they want to date opposite sex after the surgery; but again that presents all sorts of ???? I’d rather not get into.

    3. Saying that a child who is born a man but is “obviously” a woman because of the way he/she acts is in my book the most FUBAR thing you can do to a child. I won’t have any of that in my household.

    I challenge the BDN to block me after this comment. Its informative:

    STUDIES HAVE PROVED THAT MEN WHO BECOME WOMEN LATER IN LIFE ARE SUBJECTED TO BECOME MORE LIKELY A CHILD MOLESTOR/SEXUAL PREDATOR. WOMEN WHO HAVE BECOME MEN ALSO SHOW SIGNS OF IT BUT DO NOT HAVE THE RATES LIKE MEN WHO BECOME WOMEN.

    Like I said; the gay and lesbian thing I approve of. The bisexual thing; yes I approve of that too…but this is beyond BEYOND what is normal…I would’ve called DHS a long time ago.

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    I don’t mean to be offensive to those who consider this “normal” (in fact I believe that the transgender debate is so far beyond the gay/lesbian debate and FAR BEYOND what I consider “normal” attitude for a childe; let alone anyone considering such a process) but “feeling like a woman” is certainly different than “being a woman”.

    1. There are two sexes on this planet: Man and Woman. God made Adam and Eve; not Ada and Everett. Or alternatively Adam and Steve. If you don’t believe in God; persay: man is scientifically defied as a male species and a female who has reproductive organs is a female species.

    2. I don’t mind homosexual relationships. To me in this debate is relatively null. A woman who wants to become a man obviously wants to have sex from the male position; alternatively a man who wants to become a woman obviously wants to have sex from the female position. In most cases  they do want to stay in relationships with their former sex; which to me is beyond confusing. Others – yeah they want to date opposite sex after the surgery; but again that presents all sorts of ???? I’d rather not get into.

    3. Saying that a child who is born a man but is “obviously” a woman because of the way he/she acts is in my book the most FUBAR thing you can do to a child. I won’t have any of that in my household.

    I challenge the BDN to block me after this comment. Its informative:

    STUDIES HAVE PROVED THAT MEN WHO BECOME WOMEN LATER IN LIFE ARE SUBJECTED TO BECOME MORE LIKELY A CHILD MOLESTOR/SEXUAL PREDATOR. WOMEN WHO HAVE BECOME MEN ALSO SHOW SIGNS OF IT BUT DO NOT HAVE THE RATES LIKE MEN WHO BECOME WOMEN.

    Like I said; the gay and lesbian thing I approve of. The bisexual thing; yes I approve of that too…but this is beyond BEYOND what is normal…I would’ve called DHS a long time ago.

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    I don’t mean to be offensive to those who consider this “normal” (in fact I believe that the transgender debate is so far beyond the gay/lesbian debate and FAR BEYOND what I consider “normal” attitude for a childe; let alone anyone considering such a process) but “feeling like a woman” is certainly different than “being a woman”.

    1. There are two sexes on this planet: Man and Woman. God made Adam and Eve; not Ada and Everett. Or alternatively Adam and Steve. If you don’t believe in God; persay: man is scientifically defied as a male species and a female who has reproductive organs is a female species.

    2. I don’t mind homosexual relationships. To me in this debate is relatively null. A woman who wants to become a man obviously wants to have sex from the male position; alternatively a man who wants to become a woman obviously wants to have sex from the female position. In most cases  they do want to stay in relationships with their former sex; which to me is beyond confusing. Others – yeah they want to date opposite sex after the surgery; but again that presents all sorts of ???? I’d rather not get into.

    3. Saying that a child who is born a man but is “obviously” a woman because of the way he/she acts is in my book the most FUBAR thing you can do to a child. I won’t have any of that in my household.

    I challenge the BDN to block me after this comment. Its informative:

    STUDIES HAVE PROVED THAT MEN WHO BECOME WOMEN LATER IN LIFE ARE SUBJECTED TO BECOME MORE LIKELY A CHILD MOLESTOR/SEXUAL PREDATOR. WOMEN WHO HAVE BECOME MEN ALSO SHOW SIGNS OF IT BUT DO NOT HAVE THE RATES LIKE MEN WHO BECOME WOMEN.

    Like I said; the gay and lesbian thing I approve of. The bisexual thing; yes I approve of that too…but this is beyond BEYOND what is normal…I would’ve called DHS a long time ago.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone has prejudice against one thing or another. Nature of the beast. I think stealth went out the window after this article.You can buck the system or go with the flow and find a place acceptable for your well being and happiness and live your life. 

  • Anonymous

    If you read the article, this family tried to ‘go with the flow’ but Paul Melanson made a big stink out of this child being shown dignity and respect, and used his grandson as a pawn to further his agenda.

  • Anonymous

    Joe,

    Are you so myopic that you truly do not see that  term “sex” transcends a position deigned for procreation.  There is years of adjustment of therapy ahead of Nicole and I wish her well.  I would hover appreciate you citing a “reliable”, perhaps peer reviewed source for your assertion regarding molestation.  Oh and a by the way, if you had called DHS a long time ago, they most likely and politely said thank you, but not have done anything with this information.  With taht statement you imply the parents are abusive, and that is nonsense.

  • Anonymous

    I challenge you to back up that offensive claim you have made about transgender people being child molesters.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe everyone should use the same bathroom.

  • Anonymous

    You could judge people on the merits of their character, and look past labels like transgender or homosexual.

    But if you’re more comfortable showing hostile opinions toward people with differences you don’t understand, then feel free. I’m glad you’re comfortable being called a bigot.

  • Anonymous

    I hope Michele Bachmann and her husband don’t read your post. They may try to get you to go to their clinic so they can scare you straight.

  • Anonymous

    I hope Michele Bachmann and her husband don’t read your post. They may try to get you to go to their clinic so they can scare you straight.

  • Anonymous

    Could you explain why it would be inappropriate to suggest this for a minor?

  • Anonymous

    Could you explain why it would be inappropriate to suggest this for a minor?

  • Anonymous

    It’s amazing how often the Christian Civic League of Maine gets involved with issues in public schools.  What purpose does it serve?  Promoting discrimination and narrow-mindedness to young school children is far more detrimental to their development than working with them to help them understand that people’s uniqueness is a beautiful thing.  

  • Anonymous

    It’s disturbing how often the Christian Civic League of Maine gets involved with public school issues.  What purpose does it serve?  Promoting discrimination and narrow-mindedness is far more detrimental to young people than allowing them to experience diversity and learn about the beauty of uniqueness.  

  • Buzlno

    I don’t mean any offense either, but:

    Did you need a ‘process’ to be who you are or were you born the way you are?

    Physical reassignment is the ‘process’ to which you refer, not being who you happen to be.If you can reference the internet to get here, then can I suggest a search to educate yourself on any questions, misguided information, and general education on this topic. If you have time to write a soliloquy, then you have time for that.   Oh, a reference to that BS about them being molesters would be nice. If you can find it….

  • Buzlno

    I don’t mean any offense either, but:

    Did you need a ‘process’ to be who you are or were you born the way you are?

    Physical reassignment is the ‘process’ to which you refer, not being who you happen to be.If you can reference the internet to get here, then can I suggest a search to educate yourself on any questions, misguided information, and general education on this topic. If you have time to write a soliloquy, then you have time for that.   Oh, a reference to that BS about them being molesters would be nice. If you can find it….

  • Buzlno

    I don’t mean any offense either, but:

    Did you need a ‘process’ to be who you are or were you born the way you are?

    Physical reassignment is the ‘process’ to which you refer, not being who you happen to be.If you can reference the internet to get here, then can I suggest a search to educate yourself on any questions, misguided information, and general education on this topic. If you have time to write a soliloquy, then you have time for that.   Oh, a reference to that BS about them being molesters would be nice. If you can find it….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Actually, they *were* doing everything they could until some bigot came along.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Their body isn’t fully developed yet. Hormone replacement therapy is appropriate during adolescence, as it will begin to allow the body to make the switch from one gender to the other. It sounds like the subject of this article, if she is “stealth”, may well be starting this process (I don’t know how old she is). Once she’s an adult, reassignment makes sense.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Their body isn’t fully developed yet. Hormone replacement therapy is appropriate during adolescence, as it will begin to allow the body to make the switch from one gender to the other. It sounds like the subject of this article, if she is “stealth”, may well be starting this process (I don’t know how old she is). Once she’s an adult, reassignment makes sense.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Their body isn’t fully developed yet. Hormone replacement therapy is appropriate during adolescence, as it will begin to allow the body to make the switch from one gender to the other. It sounds like the subject of this article, if she is “stealth”, may well be starting this process (I don’t know how old she is). Once she’s an adult, reassignment makes sense.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Their body isn’t fully developed yet. Hormone replacement therapy is appropriate during adolescence, as it will begin to allow the body to make the switch from one gender to the other. It sounds like the subject of this article, if she is “stealth”, may well be starting this process (I don’t know how old she is). Once she’s an adult, reassignment makes sense.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    It’s internal as well. You actually feel you’re not right in your own body. I could go into a room and say I wanted to be female, but I’d be lying. A transgender person often feels “wrong”, for lack of a better word. Admittedly, I don’t fully understand the issue either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    It’s internal as well. You actually feel you’re not right in your own body. I could go into a room and say I wanted to be female, but I’d be lying. A transgender person often feels “wrong”, for lack of a better word. Admittedly, I don’t fully understand the issue either.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    1) You’re asking about a young woman’s body parts like it’s your concern, which is creepy;

    2) None of your business, but I’d assume the girl’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    1) You’re asking about a young woman’s body parts like it’s your concern, which is creepy;

    2) None of your business, but I’d assume the girl’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    1) You’re asking about a young woman’s body parts like it’s your concern, which is creepy;

    2) None of your business, but I’d assume the girl’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    1) You’re asking about a young woman’s body parts like it’s your concern, which is creepy;

    2) None of your business, but I’d assume the girl’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    1) You’re asking about a young woman’s body parts like it’s your concern, which is creepy;

    2) None of your business, but I’d assume the girl’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    1) You’re asking about a young woman’s body parts like it’s your concern, which is creepy;

    2) None of your business, but I’d assume the girl’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    1) You’re asking about a young woman’s body parts like it’s your concern, which is creepy;

    2) None of your business, but I’d assume the girl’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    1) You’re asking about a young woman’s body parts like it’s your concern, which is creepy;

    2) None of your business, but I’d assume the girl’s.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    1) You’re asking about a young woman’s body parts like it’s your concern, which is creepy;

    2) None of your business, but I’d assume the girl’s.

  • Anonymous

    Well, for one thing I do not think there is a doctor in this nation that would perform the surgery on a child that is still going through development.

  • Anonymous

    Well, for one thing I do not think there is a doctor in this nation that would perform the surgery on a child that is still going through development.

  • Anonymous

    Well, for one thing I do not think there is a doctor in this nation that would perform the surgery on a child that is still going through development.

  • Anonymous

    Well, for one thing I do not think there is a doctor in this nation that would perform the surgery on a child that is still going through development.

  • Anonymous

    Well, for one thing I do not think there is a doctor in this nation that would perform the surgery on a child that is still going through development.

  • Anonymous

    Well, for one thing I do not think there is a doctor in this nation that would perform the surgery on a child that is still going through development.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Yep, no doubt in my mind.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, that’s one solution.  Or maybe they could have boy’s bathrooms, girl bathrooms, and a few individual bathrooms, like a lot of restaurants have these days, with no sex designation,  that anyone could use.  Then there wouldn’t be any problem.

  • Anonymous

    Since living in Maine I have read many things about their former director Michael Heath. He sounds like a vile and hateful human being.

    It’s unfortunate that this group calls itself “Christian” because they sure don’t act like Christians in my experience.

  • Anonymous

    It occurred to me that Mr Melanson is a horrible role model for his grandchild.  What we don’t need to have in school is bullies.

    On the other hand I must say that Nicole seems to have amazing, accepting and loving parents.  She is a lucky girl.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VI5WTVDOQEX4M6UAEVBC7GROOQ Kelly

    Jon?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VI5WTVDOQEX4M6UAEVBC7GROOQ Kelly

    Jon?

  • Anonymous

    That’s an interesting article.

  • Anonymous

    That’s an interesting article.

  • Anonymous

    If only it was that simple. Please try and put yourself in the position of the school administration. How do they accommodate this child AND accommodate all the other kids equally? Seriously. Please explain the obvious simple solution here as it escapes me. It was a no-win situation. I happen to live in Orono, attended Orono schools , and had my children attend Orono schools. I have nothing but support for the administration of the Orono schools and I happen to agree with the way they tried to accommodate the child. I agree that the villian here is the grandfather and I wish it was he who moved away rather than the family. But in addition to the tragedy of the hurt and alienation that this child has had to endure the other tragedy here is the ongoing lawsuit. I am not clear on what the suit is meant to accomplish at this point. And I can’t help but feel that the decision to go “Stealth” at the new school eliminates all the families credibility at this point. If it is so easy to accommodate everyone why are the new schoolmates and their families not being accommodated with the truth?

  • Anonymous

    If only it was that simple. Please try and put yourself in the position of the school administration. How do they accommodate this child AND accommodate all the other kids equally? Seriously. Please explain the obvious simple solution here as it escapes me. It was a no-win situation. I happen to live in Orono, attended Orono schools , and had my children attend Orono schools. I have nothing but support for the administration of the Orono schools and I happen to agree with the way they tried to accommodate the child. I agree that the villian here is the grandfather and I wish it was he who moved away rather than the family. But in addition to the tragedy of the hurt and alienation that this child has had to endure the other tragedy here is the ongoing lawsuit. I am not clear on what the suit is meant to accomplish at this point. And I can’t help but feel that the decision to go “Stealth” at the new school eliminates all the families credibility at this point. If it is so easy to accommodate everyone why are the new schoolmates and their families not being accommodated with the truth?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Peasley/756339211 Bill Peasley

    Straight Pride.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Peasley/756339211 Bill Peasley

    Straight Pride.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Peasley/756339211 Bill Peasley

    Straight Pride.

  • Anonymous

    I agree about stealth going out of the window after this article.  If the object of the stealth strategy is to keep Nicole’s gender problem a secret from her schoolmates, it’s not going to work.  The cat’s out of the bag, and they’ll figure it out pretty soon.

  • Anonymous

    I agree about stealth going out of the window after this article.  If the object of the stealth strategy is to keep Nicole’s gender problem a secret from her schoolmates, it’s not going to work.  The cat’s out of the bag, and they’ll figure it out pretty soon.

  • Anonymous

    I agree about stealth going out of the window after this article.  If the object of the stealth strategy is to keep Nicole’s gender problem a secret from her schoolmates, it’s not going to work.  The cat’s out of the bag, and they’ll figure it out pretty soon.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FAQ3OHFMP33PV4FJCA5HNJFSUE JenniferS

    It’s interesting how the grandfather automatically groups being transgender with homosexuality, as if they are one in the same.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FAQ3OHFMP33PV4FJCA5HNJFSUE JenniferS

    It’s interesting how the grandfather automatically groups being transgender with homosexuality, as if they are one in the same.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    And what’s the truth? The girl was born with physical sex characteristics that didn’t match the gender of her brain. Who are you to decide which gender this child should be?

    The way to accommodate this child was to let her use the girl’s bathroom. Period.

  • Anonymous

    My guess is that because he doesn’t understand it, he just lumped it in with something he did.

  • Anonymous

    Good for you, but this isn’t a straight/homosexual issue. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    This child isn’t defective just because she lives her life differently from how you live yours!
    Next you’ll probably be calling people defective because they might eat
    foods different from the ones you eat, or they might read different
    types of books or listen to a different type of music. Ideologies like
    yours are how hate crimes are caused and how discrimination occurs! Are
    you going to be saying this if you hear about someone who eats all
    organic foods or listens to country music when you might prefer rock and
    roll? The bunch of nonsense right here now is what is spewing from your
    mouth! No wonder why there are so many hate crimes in the U.S. and the
    world in general! It’s because of people like you who think that those
    who happen to be different from you are somehow defective or unworthy of
    existence!

  • Anonymous

    Your replys don’t make any sense.  Her personal sexual identification and her body parts have everything to do with the article, and I’m sure that many of her schoolmates and their parents will be concerned about which bathroom she uses.  You see, if she thinks she’s a girl,  but actually has a boy’s body, girl students and their parents might be uneasy about a boy’s body being in the girl’s bathroom.  You may not agree with that, but I’m sure they would think that it’s their “business.”  They might even think that it’s “creepy.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    And discrimination that leads to hate crimes!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    That’s why everyone is called an individual, because no two people are exactly alike, even people born as multiples (twins, triplets, etc.).

  • Anonymous

    I knew this link would lead to wasted words once I saw “fox news”.  Lo and behold, I was right. This is a disgusting display of intolerance by individuals who most likely are so self-consious about their own selves that they need to pick on other peoples’ differences.  It’s sad to see that people still think transgendered people and homosexuality is a new thing that can be “caught”.  Absolutely ridiculous.

  • Anonymous

    Lulu?

    You mean Perley? I would not recommend reading a book written by a man who cross dresses and carries on relationships with raccoons.

    Talk about being in the dark!!!!!! LOL!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Well the boy is defective isn’t he? He did develop differently than a human being would ordinarily? I never said anything about sending him to a concentration camp or segregation or punishment of any kind! It’s people with your ideas that don’t bother putting any thought into these issues! But how do you take the interests of the individual over the interests of the society? I feel bad for this kid because I think that the parents are setting a very poor example. Another thing, I don’t care if a boy thinks he’s a boy or a girl, if he was in the school’s girls bathroom with my daughter I would certainly have something to say about it.

  • Anonymous

    Well the boy is defective isn’t he? He did develop differently than a human being would ordinarily? I never said anything about sending him to a concentration camp or segregation or punishment of any kind! It’s people with your ideas that don’t bother putting any thought into these issues! But how do you take the interests of the individual over the interests of the society? I feel bad for this kid because I think that the parents are setting a very poor example. Another thing, I don’t care if a boy thinks he’s a boy or a girl, if he was in the school’s girls bathroom with my daughter I would certainly have something to say about it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FAQ3OHFMP33PV4FJCA5HNJFSUE JenniferS

    This child isn’t defective just because she lives her life differently from how you live yours!
    Next you’ll probably be calling people defective because they might eat
    foods different from the ones you eat, or they might read different
    types of books or listen to a different type of music. Ideologies like
    yours are how hate crimes are caused and how discrimination occurs! Are
    you going to be saying this if you hear about someone who eats all
    organic foods or listens to country music when you might prefer rock and
    roll? The bunch of nonsense right here now is what is spewing from your
    mouth! No wonder why there are so many hate crimes in the U.S. and the
    world in general! It’s because of people like you who think that those
    who happen to be different from you are somehow defective or unworthy of
    existence!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FAQ3OHFMP33PV4FJCA5HNJFSUE JenniferS

    This child isn’t defective just because she lives her life differently from how you live yours!
    Next you’ll probably be calling people defective because they might eat
    foods different from the ones you eat, or they might read different
    types of books or listen to a different type of music. Ideologies like
    yours are how hate crimes are caused and how discrimination occurs! Are
    you going to be saying this if you hear about someone who eats all
    organic foods or listens to country music when you might prefer rock and
    roll? The bunch of nonsense right here now is what is spewing from your
    mouth! No wonder why there are so many hate crimes in the U.S. and the
    world in general! It’s because of people like you who think that those
    who happen to be different from you are somehow defective or unworthy of
    existence!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    This child isn’t defective just because she lives her life differently from how you live yours!
    Next you’ll probably be calling people defective because they might eat
    foods different from the ones you eat, or they might read different
    types of books or listen to a different type of music. Ideologies like
    yours are how hate crimes are caused and how discrimination occurs! Are
    you going to be saying this if you hear about someone who eats all
    organic foods or listens to country music when you might prefer rock and
    roll? The bunch of nonsense right here now is what is spewing from your
    mouth! No wonder why there are so many hate crimes in the U.S. and the
    world in general! It’s because of people like you who think that those
    who happen to be different from you are somehow defective or unworthy of
    existence!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    This child isn’t defective just because she lives her life differently from how you live yours!
    Next you’ll probably be calling people defective because they might eat
    foods different from the ones you eat, or they might read different
    types of books or listen to a different type of music. Ideologies like
    yours are how hate crimes are caused and how discrimination occurs! Are
    you going to be saying this if you hear about someone who eats all
    organic foods or listens to country music when you might prefer rock and
    roll? The bunch of nonsense right here now is what is spewing from your
    mouth! No wonder why there are so many hate crimes in the U.S. and the
    world in general! It’s because of people like you who think that those
    who happen to be different from you are somehow defective or unworthy of
    existence!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UGSEM5VH4GOQCUVXM4G6TTEUIY Poster

    Is this the same Paul Melanson who is a registered sex offender???

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BICSVGUSDOJVBYL3ENMN7RWI5I Sasi

    All I can say is you’re in the wrong place w/ a child that might be “differen’t” in any kind of way.  My parents moved often during my Jr. High and High school years and Orono was BY FAR the WORST school for bullying and nobody, not even the teachers/facility do a thing about it.  I was verbally and physically abused at Orono High.  My mom eventually transferred me out of that narrow-minded school and enrolled me into John Bapst.  Like I said before, I had attended many schools and never experienced such negativity and bullying like Orono High.  I blame the ADULTS working at the school that saw everything happening and chose to wear blinders.  I can see things havent changed much in ORONO!!!!  Sorry for your troubles and hopefully these PARENTS will learn not to be bigots/racial/bullies and address the issue at hand.   Good luck!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    How are the parents setting a poor example for their daughter? Biologically, she was born into the wrong body. She made that decision and her parents are just supporting her. It’s not like the parents are the ones forcing her or telling her that she’s a girl.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UGSEM5VH4GOQCUVXM4G6TTEUIY Poster

    I would rather associate with a group of “faggots” over a group of bullies anyday!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UGSEM5VH4GOQCUVXM4G6TTEUIY Poster

    I would rather associate with a group of “faggots” over a group of bullies anyday!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UGSEM5VH4GOQCUVXM4G6TTEUIY Poster

    I would rather associate with a group of “faggots” over a group of bullies anyday!

  • Anonymous

    Well you can continue to be in conflict with me all you want. You’re parents tried to force your brother to be something he isn’t. Well this kids parents are allowing him to try to be something he isn’t and never can be. I’m not looking to force anything on to people, just the opposite, I’m only interested in making sure that our society is held together. Besides, what would happen if this kid is allowed to go into girls bathrooms and then all of the sudden the kids starts liking girls? Then, you have a boy who dresses like a girl going into girls bathrooms and locker rooms.

  • Anonymous

    Well you can continue to be in conflict with me all you want. You’re parents tried to force your brother to be something he isn’t. Well this kids parents are allowing him to try to be something he isn’t and never can be. I’m not looking to force anything on to people, just the opposite, I’m only interested in making sure that our society is held together. Besides, what would happen if this kid is allowed to go into girls bathrooms and then all of the sudden the kids starts liking girls? Then, you have a boy who dresses like a girl going into girls bathrooms and locker rooms.

  • Anonymous

    Well you can continue to be in conflict with me all you want. You’re parents tried to force your brother to be something he isn’t. Well this kids parents are allowing him to try to be something he isn’t and never can be. I’m not looking to force anything on to people, just the opposite, I’m only interested in making sure that our society is held together. Besides, what would happen if this kid is allowed to go into girls bathrooms and then all of the sudden the kids starts liking girls? Then, you have a boy who dresses like a girl going into girls bathrooms and locker rooms.

  • Anonymous

    Well you can continue to be in conflict with me all you want. You’re parents tried to force your brother to be something he isn’t. Well this kids parents are allowing him to try to be something he isn’t and never can be. I’m not looking to force anything on to people, just the opposite, I’m only interested in making sure that our society is held together. Besides, what would happen if this kid is allowed to go into girls bathrooms and then all of the sudden the kids starts liking girls? Then, you have a boy who dresses like a girl going into girls bathrooms and locker rooms.

  • Anonymous

    Well you can continue to be in conflict with me all you want. You’re parents tried to force your brother to be something he isn’t. Well this kids parents are allowing him to try to be something he isn’t and never can be. I’m not looking to force anything on to people, just the opposite, I’m only interested in making sure that our society is held together. Besides, what would happen if this kid is allowed to go into girls bathrooms and then all of the sudden the kids starts liking girls? Then, you have a boy who dresses like a girl going into girls bathrooms and locker rooms.

  • Anonymous

    Well you can continue to be in conflict with me all you want. You’re parents tried to force your brother to be something he isn’t. Well this kids parents are allowing him to try to be something he isn’t and never can be. I’m not looking to force anything on to people, just the opposite, I’m only interested in making sure that our society is held together. Besides, what would happen if this kid is allowed to go into girls bathrooms and then all of the sudden the kids starts liking girls? Then, you have a boy who dresses like a girl going into girls bathrooms and locker rooms.

  • Anonymous

    Well if I were to believe that I was born into the wrong family, and I should’ve been born into the Kennedy’s or the Royal family, that doesn’t mean I get those benefits do I? I could claim it all day long and no one would believe me, and yet everyone is so quick to say that this person is a girl instead of a boy? If my parents were to support me in the belief that I am a Kennedy and destined for politics someday or I was going to be King then people would say that it’s abuse, because it will never happen.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YCHHYD25F2IQ2WE5QPODQTB5UA Tabitha

    Why dont they just make a gender indentidy disorder bathroom…problem fixed!

  • Anonymous

    Defective???? This child??? perhaps you and your thinking is what’s defective here

  • Anonymous

    Defective???? This child??? perhaps you and your thinking is what’s defective here

  • Anonymous

    Defective???? This child??? perhaps you and your thinking is what’s defective here

  • Anonymous

    Defective???? This child??? perhaps you and your thinking is what’s defective here

  • Anonymous

    Maybe it’s time to help society get over this unhealthy fascination with separating ourselves when we pee. Everyone does it, and with the exception of men standing at the urinal we do it for the most part behind stall doors.
    If I can stand to see ever 50+ aged man pee along side I-95 with only an open car door as his shield then perhaps we can all agree that something so natural is nothing to worry about. If a man, and a woman are in the same restroom somewhere, and are in adjoining stalls, would that be a real earth shaking problem?????

  • Anonymous

    Maybe it’s time to help society get over this unhealthy fascination with separating ourselves when we pee. Everyone does it, and with the exception of men standing at the urinal we do it for the most part behind stall doors.
    If I can stand to see ever 50+ aged man pee along side I-95 with only an open car door as his shield then perhaps we can all agree that something so natural is nothing to worry about. If a man, and a woman are in the same restroom somewhere, and are in adjoining stalls, would that be a real earth shaking problem?????

  • Anonymous

    Maybe it’s time to help society get over this unhealthy fascination with separating ourselves when we pee. Everyone does it, and with the exception of men standing at the urinal we do it for the most part behind stall doors.
    If I can stand to see ever 50+ aged man pee along side I-95 with only an open car door as his shield then perhaps we can all agree that something so natural is nothing to worry about. If a man, and a woman are in the same restroom somewhere, and are in adjoining stalls, would that be a real earth shaking problem?????

  • Anonymous

    Maybe it’s time to help society get over this unhealthy fascination with separating ourselves when we pee. Everyone does it, and with the exception of men standing at the urinal we do it for the most part behind stall doors.
    If I can stand to see ever 50+ aged man pee along side I-95 with only an open car door as his shield then perhaps we can all agree that something so natural is nothing to worry about. If a man, and a woman are in the same restroom somewhere, and are in adjoining stalls, would that be a real earth shaking problem?????

  • Anonymous

    To Nicole and her family. It gets better. Maybe not right away, maybe not here in Maine, but trust me, It Gets Better.

  • Anonymous

    The truth is exactly what you state. I haven’t decided anything. The “stealth” “solution” is an issue for the parents and children at the new southern Maine school. And so with the obvious simple solution the parents of biologically female students at the school are all going to be happy? I hope it is that simple but I doubt it.

  • Anonymous

    The truth is exactly what you state. I haven’t decided anything. The “stealth” “solution” is an issue for the parents and children at the new southern Maine school. And so with the obvious simple solution the parents of biologically female students at the school are all going to be happy? I hope it is that simple but I doubt it.

  • Anonymous

    Had the parents sought a cure for Wyatt’s condition perhaps the resulting confusions could have been avoided.   No matter what, Kelly and Wayne have two sons.

  • Anonymous

    Had the parents sought a cure for Wyatt’s condition perhaps the resulting confusions could have been avoided.   No matter what, Kelly and Wayne have two sons.

  • Anonymous

    But even your parent knew that no matter how much you would identify as being black, you could never be black.

  • Anonymous

    But even your parent knew that no matter how much you would identify as being black, you could never be black.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    I agree! Teaching kids to discriminate and not experience diversity is part of how hate crimes are caused, and not just with those who are transgendered or of a different sexuality, but also those of different races and ethnicities and those who speak other languages.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    I agree! Teaching kids to discriminate and not experience diversity is part of how hate crimes are caused, and not just with those who are transgendered or of a different sexuality, but also those of different races and ethnicities and those who speak other languages.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    I agree wholeheartedly! They say that Christians are accepting of others, but I’m seeing just the opposite.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    I agree wholeheartedly! They say that Christians are accepting of others, but I’m seeing just the opposite.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    I agree wholeheartedly! They say that Christians are accepting of others, but I’m seeing just the opposite.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    I agree wholeheartedly! They say that Christians are accepting of others, but I’m seeing just the opposite.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    I’m sure it’s not any easier for adults, especially before gender reassignment surgery occurs.

  • Anonymous

    They do not have a daughter.  They have two sons

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    Or boys/men’s room, girls/women’s room, and the family bathroom, like the Bangor Mall currently has.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    Or boys/men’s room, girls/women’s room, and the family bathroom, like the Bangor Mall currently has.

  • Anonymous

    The parents should have tried to cure her condition

  • Anonymous

    The parents should have tried to cure her condition

  • http://www.facebook.com/Feliix David Sylvester

    What a wonderful admission that you hate your parents! Doesn’t that make you just wonderful!

  • Anonymous

     This article is one big barf-fest.

  • Anonymous

     This article is one big barf-fest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Feliix David Sylvester

    And you got 35 “likes”. I wonder of all 35 hate their parents as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Feliix David Sylvester

    And you got 35 “likes”. I wonder of all 35 hate their parents as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Feliix David Sylvester

    And you got 35 “likes”. I wonder of all 35 hate their parents as well.

  • Kevin_Of_Bangor

    How did you get hate from disliking?

  • Anonymous

    At least according to their plumbing, for now.

  • Anonymous

    Last time i checked this is the USA and bgr2saco4me has the right to voice his oppion just like every one else has. He does not have to see things just as you do. He has the right to say how he feels. It sounds like everyone who has responded to the post is taking this kind of personal. You don’t have to agree with what he said, but he should not be scolded for his view on the subject either.

  • Anonymous

    Ask Paul LePage.

  • Anonymous

    It’s probably better to say the child is disordered.  The child suffers from gender identity disorder.

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. 

  • Anonymous

    Exactly. 

  • Anonymous

    It sounds sad, both ways.

  • Anonymous

    It sounds sad, both ways.

  • Anonymous

    I think when it is all said and done if a person(…child..adult makes no difference) has a penis they belong in the mens/boys lavatory and the same for  a female…she belongs in the ladies
    room….Thank you bgr2saco4me well written

  • Anonymous

    It sounds to me like they did as much as anyone could hope a loving parent could do, Nicole is lucky to have such caring and understanding parents.

  • Anonymous

    You raise good points, particularly about the stealth strategy.  I think everyone could be accomodated by having a boy’s room for boys, a girl’s room for girls, and an individual single bathroom with no sex designation for anyone who wants to use it. 

  • Anonymous

    Do what? No one stopped him from giving his opinion, but freedom of speech means we are free to respond with how we take that opinion.

    Some points of view deserve scolding, wouldn’t you agree?

  • Anonymous

    OK. The first thing is that HE is a boy that thinks he is a girl and dresses like a girl. I don’t care what they dress him in or call him he is a STILL A BOY. Secondly, who cares what he likes to call himself or how he dresses, I agree that he should not be in the girls bathroom. He still has a penis and that is not going to change because he grows out his hair and puts on a dress. I would sue the school if they let a boy into the same bathroom that my daughter was using.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously, you are against giving a child a loving and supportive environment?

  • Anonymous

    Ahmen flat_lander. A duck with a chicken costume on is still a duck!

  • Anonymous

    Society will crumble because parents are loving, caring, and accepting of their child, huh? Wow.

  • Anonymous

    If Wyatt (Nicole) was a girl then why does he have a penis? I don’t care what sexual orientaion anyone is but GIRLS DO NOT HAVE A PENIS!

  • Anonymous

    So now it ok for you to discriminate against midmainer for thier view on the situation? well isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black.

  • Kevin_Of_Bangor

    Don’t feel the trolls.

  • Kevin_Of_Bangor

    Don’t feel the trolls.

  • Anonymous

    No i don’t. Everyone has thier own view on everything. I think that everyone has the right to thier own beliefs, even if they are not in allignment with mine or yours. And almost every one who has posted comments to the post seem to be taking it very peronal. But as i have said in my other post, Wyatt is a boy not a girl. We do not define the sex of an individual by how they feel, but on the anatomy of the individual, wouldn’t you agree?

  • Anonymous

    No i don’t. Everyone has thier own view on everything. I think that everyone has the right to thier own beliefs, even if they are not in allignment with mine or yours. And almost every one who has posted comments to the post seem to be taking it very peronal. But as i have said in my other post, Wyatt is a boy not a girl. We do not define the sex of an individual by how they feel, but on the anatomy of the individual, wouldn’t you agree?

  • Buzlno

    Your paranoia would be funny if it weren’t so sad.      

    Don’t think that this is a new phenomena!    NO, it’s just that people are more understanding now and not stuck in the Eisenhower days.  I don’t like change too much either, but I keep my MIND OPEN.   

    He’ll change overnight and grab a girl in the bathroom??   What a backward comment.  Educate yourself please.  You embarrass yourself…

  • Anonymous

    How about we don’t say the child is any thing but a boy? If you want to put on a costume and run around pretending that you are something you are not who am I to judge. You would probably think that some stuff that I do is disordered, but we all have the right to live our live as we wish, unless it is against the law. If I went into the ladies room I would be arrested in a heart beat, no matter what I was wearing or calling myself, for the simple fact that I have a penis. But it is OK for this child to do so? That is not equal rights. That is discrimination against the rest of the world that lives by the laws and rules of society.

  • Anonymous

    I must have missed something in sex education. The information they taught us was that boy have a penis and girls have a vagina. I must have been out when they said that i could be a girl if i felt like one no matter if I had a penis or not. I do not care if you are gay, chineese, white, black, indian, or any other race or nationality…… If you have a penis you are a Male…. A boy…..A man. Plain and simple.

  • Anonymous

    HE IS NOT A GIRL!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    So you can pass judgement on the rest of the people on this page who don’t think like you? So you have stooped like it or not.

  • Anonymous

    That would be the answer. Bravo!

  • Anonymous

    That would be the answer. Bravo!

  • Anonymous

    That would be the answer. Bravo!

  • Anonymous

    That would be the answer. Bravo!

  • Anonymous

    where did you get all of that from nully null nul?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think it would be very easy for anyone at any age.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think it would be very easy for anyone at any age.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t think it would be very easy for anyone at any age.

  • Anonymous

    lol

  • Anonymous

    lol

  • Anonymous

    The parents can’t be too bright for letting this go on as long as it has.  They should have arrested for endangering the welfare of a child, because letting this happen has probably endangered this kid’s life, just like Charlie Howard’s. Trans-Gendered people and homosexuals are natural targets to hate groups, and this kid will probably live in fear for the rest of his/her life.

  • Buzlno

    And if someone was born a hermaphrodite? What then?   Nobody would blame them, no matter which route they took!     It’s would be a tossup…..

    Wouldn’t you agree??

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7UTDE72D3NMY435NTUCTKDAZIE Bobby

    If the child is in the stall does it matter? Requiring the child dressed as a female to use the boy’s rest room would cause more disruption. The use of the private facility until such time as the actual sex change operation is the best alternative.

  • Anonymous

    SO VERY SICK!

  • Buzlno

    Well said Jennifer, except for one word which was likely misspoken.  We both know that is was not a “decision”.

    Keep up the good fight, even though it can be like banging your head sometimes……

  • Buzlno

    Well said Jennifer, except for one word which was likely misspoken.  We both know that is was not a “decision”.

    Keep up the good fight, even though it can be like banging your head sometimes……

  • Buzlno

    Well said Jennifer, except for one word which was likely misspoken.  We both know that is was not a “decision”.

    Keep up the good fight, even though it can be like banging your head sometimes……

  • Buzlno

    OK,  where is the off button?

  • Anonymous

    Hitler wanted to get rid of groups he found defective.It’s too bad the district caved to that one stupid comment.I hope the family wins $Millions and the tea partiers pay.

  • Anonymous

    I would agree that if some one has both sexual organs then it is different than if someone has a penis and wants to be a girl. But what does that have to do with my comment. Did I miss the part of the article where they said that Wyatt was born with both genetailia? I do not think it is a toss up.

  • Anonymous

    I guess i do not understand your post? What off button? Are you saying I am not entitled to voice my opinion like you? Are you discriminating against me for my thoughts?

  • Anonymous

    I guess i do not understand your post? What off button? Are you saying I am not entitled to voice my opinion like you? Are you discriminating against me for my thoughts?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_II4BGRECXWKAFHRRND4RDCU7QQ Kirk

    I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_II4BGRECXWKAFHRRND4RDCU7QQ Kirk

    I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_II4BGRECXWKAFHRRND4RDCU7QQ Kirk

    I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_II4BGRECXWKAFHRRND4RDCU7QQ Kirk

    I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_II4BGRECXWKAFHRRND4RDCU7QQ Kirk

    I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_II4BGRECXWKAFHRRND4RDCU7QQ Kirk

    I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_II4BGRECXWKAFHRRND4RDCU7QQ Kirk

    I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_II4BGRECXWKAFHRRND4RDCU7QQ Kirk

    I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO SAY!

  • Anonymous

    Hate always loses! You think those bigots who fought desegregation in the south are proud to tell their grandchildren about their actions?

     Knowledge is power. Learn something about this before spewing bile about it.

  • Anonymous

    Considering the hate crimes that occur EVERY DAY in this country,they have to protect their child as they feel best.I would expect they’ve gotten death threats or worse.Look at the parents of Matthew Shepherd and others.

  • Anonymous

    Right, because new science never emerges and the most complicated problems always have black and white solutions?

  • Anonymous

    Right, because new science never emerges and the most complicated problems always have black and white solutions?

  • Anonymous

    Right, because new science never emerges and the most complicated problems always have black and white solutions?

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t we hire you to inspect the genitals of all those seeking to relieve themselves? You can point them in the direction of the proper facility. Problem fixed!

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t we hire you to inspect the genitals of all those seeking to relieve themselves? You can point them in the direction of the proper facility. Problem fixed!

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately those who need education the most are the least likely to obtain it.Remember the nutcase a few years back who kept stealing sex ed books out of the library?She should’ve gone to jail.She had NO right to steal from the public.

  • Anonymous

    You really feel that the comment you refer to is discrimination?  Perhaps you should look up the meaning of the word. 

  • Anonymous

    Welcome to Maine.It is indeed a beautiful state and I hope you will be happy here as I am.
    The large majority of people are nice,helpful and accepting.I hope the poison spread by a small handful here doesn’t give you a negative impression.People such as lynne14 and MANY others are working hard to make a great state even better.Again,Welcome.

  • Anonymous

    And since they don’t pay taxes they have no business writing public policy.

  • Anonymous

    OK you really aren’t getting it so I will try to explain it to you to the best of my understading.  The brain feels one way and the anatomy is contrary to what the brain feels.  Therein lies the issue.  People with a belief structure as yourself thinks only in terms of the anatomy and doesn’t take into account what the brain is saying/feeling.

  • Anonymous

    You have really crossed several lines with this post.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

  • Anonymous

    The post Oronoite was replying to was quickly changed by the author earlier this afternoon.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, calling the child a boy is ok, and I don’t disagree with that.  But it seems he’s a boy with a gender identity disorder and that it would be better usage to say he’s disordered instead of defective.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, calling the child a boy is ok, and I don’t disagree with that.  But it seems he’s a boy with a gender identity disorder and that it would be better usage to say he’s disordered instead of defective.

  • Anonymous

    I guess that’s one of the reasons the school is using the stealth strategy.  They don’t want other children and their parents to find out she’s a he and then make a fuss, maybe even sue.

  • Anonymous

    I guess that’s one of the reasons the school is using the stealth strategy.  They don’t want other children and their parents to find out she’s a he and then make a fuss, maybe even sue.

  • Anonymous

    I guess that’s one of the reasons the school is using the stealth strategy.  They don’t want other children and their parents to find out she’s a he and then make a fuss, maybe even sue.

  • Anonymous

    I guess that’s one of the reasons the school is using the stealth strategy.  They don’t want other children and their parents to find out she’s a he and then make a fuss, maybe even sue.

  • Anonymous

    I guess that’s one of the reasons the school is using the stealth strategy.  They don’t want other children and their parents to find out she’s a he and then make a fuss, maybe even sue.

  • Anonymous

    I guess that’s one of the reasons the school is using the stealth strategy.  They don’t want other children and their parents to find out she’s a he and then make a fuss, maybe even sue.

  • Anonymous

    Good post.  It was worth repeating.

  • Anonymous

    Good post.  It was worth repeating.

  • Anonymous

    No subtle distinctions and reasoning for you and flat-lander.  None of that new age thinking, either.  The traditional “bright line” test of penis v. vagina is good enough for you guys.

  • Anonymous

    The school district and students continue to be lumped into one bullying group because of the ignorance Mr. Melanson was teaching his grandson.
    I continue to applaud the efforts of the Asa Adams staff for trying to find solutions that considered the feelings of all the students, not just one child. 

  • Anonymous

    The school district and students continue to be lumped into one bullying group because of the ignorance Mr. Melanson was teaching his grandson.
    I continue to applaud the efforts of the Asa Adams staff for trying to find solutions that considered the feelings of all the students, not just one child. 

  • Anonymous

     Did I miss the part of the article where they said that Wyatt was born with both genetailia? I do not think it is a toss up.     
    ***************************************
    A human can be born with ovaries and a uterus, but without a vagina.  Ergo, the human need not be born with both genetalia to be inter-sexed.

  • Anonymous

     Did I miss the part of the article where they said that Wyatt was born with both genetailia? I do not think it is a toss up.     
    ***************************************
    A human can be born with ovaries and a uterus, but without a vagina.  Ergo, the human need not be born with both genetalia to be inter-sexed.

  • Anonymous

    Neither do a lot of us (fully) but we are willing to know more and understand more, and to prevent anyone (regardless of orientation) to suffer bigotry at the hands of others.

  • Anonymous

    Neither do a lot of us (fully) but we are willing to know more and understand more, and to prevent anyone (regardless of orientation) to suffer bigotry at the hands of others.

  • Anonymous

    Neither do a lot of us (fully) but we are willing to know more and understand more, and to prevent anyone (regardless of orientation) to suffer bigotry at the hands of others.

  • Anonymous

    Neither do a lot of us (fully) but we are willing to know more and understand more, and to prevent anyone (regardless of orientation) to suffer bigotry at the hands of others.

  • Anonymous

    You have read enough posts on the BDN pages to see where black and white thinking leads. Not to a better and more fairminded world, that is for sure.

  • Anonymous

    You have read enough posts on the BDN pages to see where black and white thinking leads. Not to a better and more fairminded world, that is for sure.

  • Anonymous

    You have read enough posts on the BDN pages to see where black and white thinking leads. Not to a better and more fairminded world, that is for sure.

  • Anonymous

    You have read enough posts on the BDN pages to see where black and white thinking leads. Not to a better and more fairminded world, that is for sure.

  • Anonymous

    You have read enough posts on the BDN pages to see where black and white thinking leads. Not to a better and more fairminded world, that is for sure.

  • Anonymous

    People like that  always seem too interested in other’s personal private business, and always fixate on the sexual aspects of things.  That is what is creepy.

  • Anonymous

    People like that  always seem too interested in other’s personal private business, and always fixate on the sexual aspects of things.  That is what is creepy.

  • Anonymous

    People like that  always seem too interested in other’s personal private business, and always fixate on the sexual aspects of things.  That is what is creepy.

  • Anonymous

    People like that  always seem too interested in other’s personal private business, and always fixate on the sexual aspects of things.  That is what is creepy.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, that sounds like a reasonable solution.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, that sounds like a reasonable solution.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, that sounds like a reasonable solution.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, that sounds like a reasonable solution.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, that sounds like a reasonable solution.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, that sounds like a reasonable solution.

  • Anonymous

    The parents should have tried to cure her condition
    ***********************************************
    They are….she is being treated at the Gender Management Service Clinic at Children’s Hospital.

  • Anonymous

    Had the parents sought a cure for Wyatt’s condition perhaps the resulting confusions could have been avoided. 
    *******************************************************
    They ARE seeking a cure…she is being treated at the Gender Management Service Clinic at Children’s Hospital.     

  • Anonymous

    If Wyatt (Nicole) was a girl then why does he have a penis? I don’t care what sexual orientaion anyone is but GIRLS DO NOT HAVE A PENIS!     
    *************************************************
    how do you identify a female child?

  • Anonymous

    You raise an interesting point about the possibility the child might start liking girls.  I don’t think the article or the comments have mentioned anything about Nicole’s sexual preference or the sexual preferences of others who have gender identity disorder.  I think everything has been limited to how the gender identity disordered individual feels and thnks about himself/herself, i.e., like a girl in a boy’s body or vice versa.  This disorder raises a lot of interesting issues: Are boys who think they are girls sexually attracted to boys or sexually attracted to girls?  If a boy who thinks he is a girl is attracted to girls,  is he a homosexual or is he a hetrosexual?  Can persons with sexual identity disorder be cured or change their minds about which sex they want to be and, if so, how often does that happen?

  • Anonymous

    Peace is a lie. dont believe me ask the universe.

  • Anonymous

    they are a sub group of genetic defects

  • Anonymous

    I must have missed something in sex education. The information they taught us was that boy has a penis and girls have a vagina.
    *************************************************************
    When I had sex ed in school 40 years ago, I was also taught that females had something called ovaries, fallopian tubes and a uterus.  Those things defined a female….not just an outward marker such as genetalia. So, I have to ask—the guy out in California whose wife cut off his penis and ran it through the garbage disposal…is he not a man now that he doesn’t have his penis?

  • Anonymous

    well look at MJ

  • Anonymous

    the child doesn’t “have a penis and wants to be a girl”…the child IS a girl with a penis. Gender centers in the mind, not in the body parts.

  • Anonymous

    type in hate into a dictionary first word dislike. When a child hates there parents they try to run to the thing most opposite from them.

  • Anonymous

    they did that to me and it did work guess they didn’t do it right with you

  • Anonymous

    yeah so like if a kid wanted to he could get up say i want to see so and so changing so i’m gonna dress like a girl today and walk in the locker room cause the schools scared they can’t do anything

  • Anonymous

    yeah so like if a kid wanted to he could get up say i want to see so and so changing so i’m gonna dress like a girl today and walk in the locker room cause the schools scared they can’t do anything

  • Anonymous

    the gender of people is formed in their minds, not in there body parts. sex and gender are two different things. you need to educate yourself before posting. you sound totally ignorant. I bet if this were left up to the children there would be no fuss…children are much more open to diversity until their parents get a hold of them!

  • Anonymous

    the gender of people is formed in their minds, not in there body parts. sex and gender are two different things. you need to educate yourself before posting. you sound totally ignorant. I bet if this were left up to the children there would be no fuss…children are much more open to diversity until their parents get a hold of them!

  • Anonymous

    the gender of people is formed in their minds, not in there body parts. sex and gender are two different things. you need to educate yourself before posting. you sound totally ignorant. I bet if this were left up to the children there would be no fuss…children are much more open to diversity until their parents get a hold of them!

  • Anonymous

    not if it was just a cover up i mean when your in middle school and highschool you think of some crazy plots

  • Anonymous

    not if it was just a cover up i mean when your in middle school and highschool you think of some crazy plots

  • Anonymous

    not if it was just a cover up i mean when your in middle school and highschool you think of some crazy plots

  • Anonymous

    wait one sec a defect fits in the realm of something that would stop or restrict you from normal courses of actions well if this restricts them from reproducing thats a genetic defect you can’t have it both ways the biological makeup is why so they can’t choose it and then say its not a defect 

  • Anonymous

    wait one sec a defect fits in the realm of something that would stop or restrict you from normal courses of actions well if this restricts them from reproducing thats a genetic defect you can’t have it both ways the biological makeup is why so they can’t choose it and then say its not a defect 

  • Anonymous

    wait one sec a defect fits in the realm of something that would stop or restrict you from normal courses of actions well if this restricts them from reproducing thats a genetic defect you can’t have it both ways the biological makeup is why so they can’t choose it and then say its not a defect 

  • Anonymous

    wait one sec a defect fits in the realm of something that would stop or restrict you from normal courses of actions well if this restricts them from reproducing thats a genetic defect

  • Anonymous

    wait one sec a defect fits in the realm of something that would stop or restrict you from normal courses of actions well if this restricts them from reproducing thats a genetic defect

  • Anonymous

    wait one sec a defect fits in the realm of something that would stop or restrict you from normal courses of actions well if this restricts them from reproducing thats a genetic defect

  • Anonymous

    wait one sec a defect fits in the realm of something that would stop or restrict you from normal courses of actions well if this restricts them from reproducing thats a genetic defect

  • Anonymous

    wait one sec a defect fits in the realm of something that would stop or restrict you from normal courses of actions well if this restricts them from reproducing thats a genetic defect

  • Anonymous

    wait one sec a defect fits in the realm of something that would stop or restrict you from normal courses of actions well if this restricts them from reproducing thats a genetic defect

  • Anonymous

    wouldn’t the students pay and then inturn hate transgender kids more can see it now sorry guys no football this year sorry girls no cheerleading this year sorry kids no extra activities at all wow sueing a school  thats a great way to make friends

  • Anonymous

    wouldn’t the students pay and then inturn hate transgender kids more can see it now sorry guys no football this year sorry girls no cheerleading this year sorry kids no extra activities at all wow sueing a school  thats a great way to make friends

  • Anonymous

    wouldn’t the students pay and then inturn hate transgender kids more can see it now sorry guys no football this year sorry girls no cheerleading this year sorry kids no extra activities at all wow sueing a school  thats a great way to make friends

  • Anonymous

    wouldn’t the students pay and then inturn hate transgender kids more can see it now sorry guys no football this year sorry girls no cheerleading this year sorry kids no extra activities at all wow sueing a school  thats a great way to make friends

  • Anonymous

    wouldn’t the students pay and then inturn hate transgender kids more can see it now sorry guys no football this year sorry girls no cheerleading this year sorry kids no extra activities at all wow sueing a school  thats a great way to make friends

  • Anonymous

    wouldn’t that be a defect ?

  • Anonymous

    Why don’t they just make some bathrooms for both boys and girls, problem solved right! No lets force them to allow boys into the girls bathrrom or we will sue them for a million dollars!

  • Anonymous

    when it comes to using the restrooms, anatomy has everything to do with it….females have a vagina, males have a penis……..if the parents where really worried, they should have home schooled the child to protect them from the judgement of other children.   Wyatt is not the only child to consider…….there are other students to think about……do u think that it made the other girls uncomfortable to have a male using their bathroom…..technically he is still a male with a penis…..girls at that age are starting to become women, and do not want boys around in the bathroom, they are going through many changes with their bodies.

  • Anonymous

    when it comes to using the restrooms, anatomy has everything to do with it….females have a vagina, males have a penis……..if the parents where really worried, they should have home schooled the child to protect them from the judgement of other children.   Wyatt is not the only child to consider…….there are other students to think about……do u think that it made the other girls uncomfortable to have a male using their bathroom…..technically he is still a male with a penis…..girls at that age are starting to become women, and do not want boys around in the bathroom, they are going through many changes with their bodies.

  • Anonymous

    when it comes to using the restrooms, anatomy has everything to do with it….females have a vagina, males have a penis……..if the parents where really worried, they should have home schooled the child to protect them from the judgement of other children.   Wyatt is not the only child to consider…….there are other students to think about……do u think that it made the other girls uncomfortable to have a male using their bathroom…..technically he is still a male with a penis…..girls at that age are starting to become women, and do not want boys around in the bathroom, they are going through many changes with their bodies.

  • Anonymous

    when it comes to using the restrooms, anatomy has everything to do with it….females have a vagina, males have a penis……..if the parents where really worried, they should have home schooled the child to protect them from the judgement of other children.   Wyatt is not the only child to consider…….there are other students to think about……do u think that it made the other girls uncomfortable to have a male using their bathroom…..technically he is still a male with a penis…..girls at that age are starting to become women, and do not want boys around in the bathroom, they are going through many changes with their bodies.

  • Anonymous

    when it comes to using the restrooms, anatomy has everything to do with it….females have a vagina, males have a penis……..if the parents where really worried, they should have home schooled the child to protect them from the judgement of other children.   Wyatt is not the only child to consider…….there are other students to think about……do u think that it made the other girls uncomfortable to have a male using their bathroom…..technically he is still a male with a penis…..girls at that age are starting to become women, and do not want boys around in the bathroom, they are going through many changes with their bodies.

  • Anonymous

    another situation with no one answer!!!!

  • Anonymous

    another situation with no one answer!!!!

  • Anonymous

    another situation with no one answer!!!!

  • Anonymous

    another situation with no one answer!!!!

  • Anonymous

    another situation with no one answer!!!!

  • Anonymous

    another situation with no one answer!!!!

  • Anonymous

    another situation with no one answer!!!!

  • Anonymous

    great arguement so im white if i get in a fight at a bar i say im black man trapped in a white mans body so could i sue for a hatecrimes ?

  • Anonymous

    great arguement so im white if i get in a fight at a bar i say im black man trapped in a white mans body so could i sue for a hatecrimes ?

  • Anonymous

    great arguement so im white if i get in a fight at a bar i say im black man trapped in a white mans body so could i sue for a hatecrimes ?

  • Anonymous

    great arguement so im white if i get in a fight at a bar i say im black man trapped in a white mans body so could i sue for a hatecrimes ?

  • Anonymous

    great arguement so im white if i get in a fight at a bar i say im black man trapped in a white mans body so could i sue for a hatecrimes ?

  • Anonymous

    so a mass murder has a diffrent thought trend also its biological should the parents love and  support his want to kill people ?

  • Anonymous

    I’m not defending bgr2saco4me, but he does make a point.  Nothing has been said about the child’s sexual preference.  If Nicole is attracted to girls instead of boys, there’s an even stronger argument that she shouldn’t be using the girl’s bathroom or the girl’s locker room.

  • Anonymous

    you take a pool of water place it next to you computer then stand in it and place the computer pluged in into the water with you

  • Anonymous

    but then it is a illness ?

  • shannondemarest

    Well the boy is defective isn’t he? He did develop differently than a human being would ordinarily?
    sooooo, would you call a child with mental retardation defective? 

  • shannondemarest

    Well the boy is defective isn’t he? He did develop differently than a human being would ordinarily?
    sooooo, would you call a child with mental retardation defective? 

  • shannondemarest

    Well the boy is defective isn’t he? He did develop differently than a human being would ordinarily?
    sooooo, would you call a child with mental retardation defective? 

  • shannondemarest

    Well the boy is defective isn’t he? He did develop differently than a human being would ordinarily?
    sooooo, would you call a child with mental retardation defective? 

  • shannondemarest

    Well the boy is defective isn’t he? He did develop differently than a human being would ordinarily?
    sooooo, would you call a child with mental retardation defective? 

  • shannondemarest

    Well the boy is defective isn’t he? He did develop differently than a human being would ordinarily?
    sooooo, would you call a child with mental retardation defective? 

  • shannondemarest

    Well the boy is defective isn’t he? He did develop differently than a human being would ordinarily?
    sooooo, would you call a child with mental retardation defective? 

  • shannondemarest

    Well the boy is defective isn’t he? He did develop differently than a human being would ordinarily?
    sooooo, would you call a child with mental retardation defective? 

  • shannondemarest

    Well the boy is defective isn’t he? He did develop differently than a human being would ordinarily?
    sooooo, would you call a child with mental retardation defective? 

  • Anonymous

    how many pregnacy is that gonna cause these are still teenagers

  • Anonymous

    how many pregnacy is that gonna cause these are still teenagers

  • Anonymous

    how many pregnacy is that gonna cause these are still teenagers

  • Anonymous

    did she have to pay for them ?

  • shannondemarest

    Are you discriminating against me for my thoughts?
    discriminating, no. disagreeing, yes.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YCHHYD25F2IQ2WE5QPODQTB5UA Tabitha

    pervert!

  • Anonymous

    religions are accepting of other religions case and point middle east

  • Anonymous

    depends north or south there like two different states

  • Anonymous

    depends north or south there like two different states

  • Anonymous

    depends north or south there like two different states

  • Anonymous

    depends north or south there like two different states

  • Anonymous

    depends north or south there like two different states

  • Anonymous

    depends north or south there like two different states

  • Anonymous

    all public low income schools are like that the thing is after you get out you look back and see that the bullies failed unless you failed and then they might be right and then several years later you might write a post that looks just like that

  • shannondemarest

    i’m wondering if all you folks chomping at the bit because this child has a penis and is/was using the girls bathroom really believe that he was using it just as a ploy to pick up your daughters…thats how you are coming across (to me, anyway).  do you believe he was using the bathroom with every intent on ‘showing off his goods’ (so to say). seriously. how many of you people have both a son and a daughter. do you make them use separate bathrooms at home? what about in kindergarten? i seem to remember kindergarten classrooms having one bathroom in them. and both genders used it. just ridiculous. quite honestly, i think a bunch of this uproar is because of homophobia..but i’ll keep reading these comments. perhaps i’ll change my opinion. but i doubt it.

  • shannondemarest

    i’m wondering if all you folks chomping at the bit because this child has a penis and is/was using the girls bathroom really believe that he was using it just as a ploy to pick up your daughters…thats how you are coming across (to me, anyway).  do you believe he was using the bathroom with every intent on ‘showing off his goods’ (so to say). seriously. how many of you people have both a son and a daughter. do you make them use separate bathrooms at home? what about in kindergarten? i seem to remember kindergarten classrooms having one bathroom in them. and both genders used it. just ridiculous. quite honestly, i think a bunch of this uproar is because of homophobia..but i’ll keep reading these comments. perhaps i’ll change my opinion. but i doubt it.

  • shannondemarest

    hehehe. i should’ve kept reading these comments. my above post would be much more suited in response to this.

  • shannondemarest

    hehehe. i should’ve kept reading these comments. my above post would be much more suited in response to this.

  • shannondemarest

    hehehe. i should’ve kept reading these comments. my above post would be much more suited in response to this.

  • Anonymous

    Any healthy adult can have kids.  They aren’t born respecting or liking you.  You have to earn that.

  • Anonymous

    Any healthy adult can have kids.  They aren’t born respecting or liking you.  You have to earn that.

  • Anonymous

    Any healthy adult can have kids.  They aren’t born respecting or liking you.  You have to earn that.

  • Anonymous

    Any healthy adult can have kids.  They aren’t born respecting or liking you.  You have to earn that.

  • Anonymous

    Any healthy adult can have kids.  They aren’t born respecting or liking you.  You have to earn that.

  • Anonymous

    Any healthy adult can have kids.  They aren’t born respecting or liking you.  You have to earn that.

  • Kevin_Of_Bangor

    There is a huge difference between hate and dislike. Most people at some point in time do dislike things their parents have done or do. I know I have but that doesn’t mean I felt hatred towards them.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know.  I just know the condition, or whatever it is, is called a disorder, and I don’t want to use a harsh word like defective when disorder will do.  There’s enough meanness in these comments already.

  • shannondemarest

    and imagine what this poor child is going through. not only feeling ‘wrong’ as you put it–which i must say is a pretty accurate word to describe it. not only is nicole feeling trapped in the ‘wrong’ body, she’s got a bunch of people who don’t know her or anything about her family telling them that it is wrong, they are wrong, she is wrong. i feel for the poor kid.

  • shannondemarest

    and imagine what this poor child is going through. not only feeling ‘wrong’ as you put it–which i must say is a pretty accurate word to describe it. not only is nicole feeling trapped in the ‘wrong’ body, she’s got a bunch of people who don’t know her or anything about her family telling them that it is wrong, they are wrong, she is wrong. i feel for the poor kid.

  • shannondemarest

    and imagine what this poor child is going through. not only feeling ‘wrong’ as you put it–which i must say is a pretty accurate word to describe it. not only is nicole feeling trapped in the ‘wrong’ body, she’s got a bunch of people who don’t know her or anything about her family telling them that it is wrong, they are wrong, she is wrong. i feel for the poor kid.

  • Anonymous

    I have been very educated on the subject…I took a class in college that centered around the issues of transgender…….the problem I have as a parent, is a boy with a penis using the bathroom with my daughter, who has a vagina…….we are looking at one student and not the the whole situation and who it affects…..this child is going to face many issues throughout his life…his family seems to want to make a huge issue out of his transgender issue…….what would happen if the parents of all the girls in the school had an issue of Wyatt using the girls bathroom……that would be discrimination, but what his family is doing is discriminating agaist all the girls that he is making feel uncomfortable…..and yes the girls are allowed to feel that way…..some people who post on here must have forgotten what it was like to be a young girl……..cause they only seem to focus on Wyatt……he is only part of the issue 

  • Anonymous

    I have been very educated on the subject…I took a class in college that centered around the issues of transgender…….the problem I have as a parent, is a boy with a penis using the bathroom with my daughter, who has a vagina…….we are looking at one student and not the the whole situation and who it affects…..this child is going to face many issues throughout his life…his family seems to want to make a huge issue out of his transgender issue…….what would happen if the parents of all the girls in the school had an issue of Wyatt using the girls bathroom……that would be discrimination, but what his family is doing is discriminating agaist all the girls that he is making feel uncomfortable…..and yes the girls are allowed to feel that way…..some people who post on here must have forgotten what it was like to be a young girl……..cause they only seem to focus on Wyatt……he is only part of the issue 

  • Anonymous

    I have been very educated on the subject…I took a class in college that centered around the issues of transgender…….the problem I have as a parent, is a boy with a penis using the bathroom with my daughter, who has a vagina…….we are looking at one student and not the the whole situation and who it affects…..this child is going to face many issues throughout his life…his family seems to want to make a huge issue out of his transgender issue…….what would happen if the parents of all the girls in the school had an issue of Wyatt using the girls bathroom……that would be discrimination, but what his family is doing is discriminating agaist all the girls that he is making feel uncomfortable…..and yes the girls are allowed to feel that way…..some people who post on here must have forgotten what it was like to be a young girl……..cause they only seem to focus on Wyatt……he is only part of the issue 

  • Anonymous

    I have been very educated on the subject…I took a class in college that centered around the issues of transgender…….the problem I have as a parent, is a boy with a penis using the bathroom with my daughter, who has a vagina…….we are looking at one student and not the the whole situation and who it affects…..this child is going to face many issues throughout his life…his family seems to want to make a huge issue out of his transgender issue…….what would happen if the parents of all the girls in the school had an issue of Wyatt using the girls bathroom……that would be discrimination, but what his family is doing is discriminating agaist all the girls that he is making feel uncomfortable…..and yes the girls are allowed to feel that way…..some people who post on here must have forgotten what it was like to be a young girl……..cause they only seem to focus on Wyatt……he is only part of the issue 

  • shannondemarest

    did you even read the article?

  • shannondemarest

    did you even read the article?

  • shannondemarest

    did you even read the article?

  • shannondemarest

    did you even read the article?

  • Anonymous

    dysart said “we define people by their anatomy” (genetalia).  I responded by saying that not every person is born with genetalia that instantly “defines” them, but that reproductive organs that are invisible to the naked eye are a more accurate method.

  • Anonymous

    dysart said “we define people by their anatomy” (genetalia).  I responded by saying that not every person is born with genetalia that instantly “defines” them, but that reproductive organs that are invisible to the naked eye are a more accurate method.

  • Anonymous

    dysart said “we define people by their anatomy” (genetalia).  I responded by saying that not every person is born with genetalia that instantly “defines” them, but that reproductive organs that are invisible to the naked eye are a more accurate method.

  • Anonymous

    dysart said “we define people by their anatomy” (genetalia).  I responded by saying that not every person is born with genetalia that instantly “defines” them, but that reproductive organs that are invisible to the naked eye are a more accurate method.

  • Anonymous

    dysart said “we define people by their anatomy” (genetalia).  I responded by saying that not every person is born with genetalia that instantly “defines” them, but that reproductive organs that are invisible to the naked eye are a more accurate method.

  • Anonymous

    dysart said “we define people by their anatomy” (genetalia).  I responded by saying that not every person is born with genetalia that instantly “defines” them, but that reproductive organs that are invisible to the naked eye are a more accurate method.

  • Anonymous

    dysart said “we define people by their anatomy” (genetalia).  I responded by saying that not every person is born with genetalia that instantly “defines” them, but that reproductive organs that are invisible to the naked eye are a more accurate method.

  • Anonymous

    dysart said “we define people by their anatomy” (genetalia).  I responded by saying that not every person is born with genetalia that instantly “defines” them, but that reproductive organs that are invisible to the naked eye are a more accurate method.

  • Anonymous

    and we have great “benefits” too

  • Buzlno

    C’mon! From the age of 3  ( when it was noticed?)  SHEESE!!

    Your rabble rousing is pathetic.

  • shannondemarest

    lemme guess, former bully?

  • shannondemarest

    lemme guess, former bully?

  • shannondemarest

    lemme guess, former bully?

  • shannondemarest

    lemme guess, former bully?

  • shannondemarest

    lemme guess, former bully?

  • shannondemarest

    lemme guess, former bully?

  • Anonymous

    “People like that”,  nice touch.  However, this article is about a child with and her family who have made their personal private business public by suing the Bangor School District and by choosing to publicize the child’s sex, the child’s sexual identity disorder, and the child’s school bathroom use by sitting down with and answering questions from a BDN reporter. 

  • Anonymous

    “People like that”,  nice touch.  However, this article is about a child with and her family who have made their personal private business public by suing the Bangor School District and by choosing to publicize the child’s sex, the child’s sexual identity disorder, and the child’s school bathroom use by sitting down with and answering questions from a BDN reporter. 

  • Anonymous

    “People like that”,  nice touch.  However, this article is about a child with and her family who have made their personal private business public by suing the Bangor School District and by choosing to publicize the child’s sex, the child’s sexual identity disorder, and the child’s school bathroom use by sitting down with and answering questions from a BDN reporter. 

  • Anonymous

    “People like that”,  nice touch.  However, this article is about a child with and her family who have made their personal private business public by suing the Bangor School District and by choosing to publicize the child’s sex, the child’s sexual identity disorder, and the child’s school bathroom use by sitting down with and answering questions from a BDN reporter. 

  • Anonymous

    “People like that”,  nice touch.  However, this article is about a child with and her family who have made their personal private business public by suing the Bangor School District and by choosing to publicize the child’s sex, the child’s sexual identity disorder, and the child’s school bathroom use by sitting down with and answering questions from a BDN reporter. 

  • Anonymous

    “People like that”,  nice touch.  However, this article is about a child with and her family who have made their personal private business public by suing the Bangor School District and by choosing to publicize the child’s sex, the child’s sexual identity disorder, and the child’s school bathroom use by sitting down with and answering questions from a BDN reporter. 

  • Anonymous

    “People like that”,  nice touch.  However, this article is about a child with and her family who have made their personal private business public by suing the Bangor School District and by choosing to publicize the child’s sex, the child’s sexual identity disorder, and the child’s school bathroom use by sitting down with and answering questions from a BDN reporter. 

  • Anonymous

    “People like that”,  nice touch.  However, this article is about a child with and her family who have made their personal private business public by suing the Bangor School District and by choosing to publicize the child’s sex, the child’s sexual identity disorder, and the child’s school bathroom use by sitting down with and answering questions from a BDN reporter. 

  • Anonymous

    How would a third grader know “she”  was “trapped inside a boy’s body”? Third graders have little sexual drive unless pushed in that direction by parents.

  • Anonymous

    Huh?  How many pregnancies is WHAT going to cause?

  • Anonymous

    Huh?  How many pregnancies is WHAT going to cause?

  • Anonymous

    If there are only two genders in God’s world,please explain snowflakes.  Thinking Christians don’t  agree with all the Christian Civic League declares is right or wrong. I’m a Christian, not a lemming. 

  • Anonymous

    If there are only two genders in God’s world,please explain snowflakes.  Thinking Christians don’t  agree with all the Christian Civic League declares is right or wrong. I’m a Christian, not a lemming. 

  • Buzlno

    The kid has gone through the worst puberty that anyone can imagine!  Leave her alone.Nothing said about sexual preference. None of our business is it? Thank you’re deity that you’re not this kid.Be thankful that this the worst she has parents that are enlightened!  BGRQST has NO defense for his lack of understanding.  Your excuse?  

    All I ask from anyone is to keep an open mind, be nice, and look up some info before commenting.  ’Nuff time to comment? Then use the same time to educate oneself first,  Nothing more.

    Isn’t that fair?

  • Buzlno

    The kid has gone through the worst puberty that anyone can imagine!  Leave her alone.Nothing said about sexual preference. None of our business is it? Thank you’re deity that you’re not this kid.Be thankful that this the worst she has parents that are enlightened!  BGRQST has NO defense for his lack of understanding.  Your excuse?  

    All I ask from anyone is to keep an open mind, be nice, and look up some info before commenting.  ’Nuff time to comment? Then use the same time to educate oneself first,  Nothing more.

    Isn’t that fair?

  • Buzlno

    The kid has gone through the worst puberty that anyone can imagine!  Leave her alone.Nothing said about sexual preference. None of our business is it? Thank you’re deity that you’re not this kid.Be thankful that this the worst she has parents that are enlightened!  BGRQST has NO defense for his lack of understanding.  Your excuse?  

    All I ask from anyone is to keep an open mind, be nice, and look up some info before commenting.  ’Nuff time to comment? Then use the same time to educate oneself first,  Nothing more.

    Isn’t that fair?

  • Buzlno

    The kid has gone through the worst puberty that anyone can imagine!  Leave her alone.Nothing said about sexual preference. None of our business is it? Thank you’re deity that you’re not this kid.Be thankful that this the worst she has parents that are enlightened!  BGRQST has NO defense for his lack of understanding.  Your excuse?  

    All I ask from anyone is to keep an open mind, be nice, and look up some info before commenting.  ’Nuff time to comment? Then use the same time to educate oneself first,  Nothing more.

    Isn’t that fair?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I read the article.  But I don’t know why you’re asking.  Which of my comments are you replying to?

  • Anonymous

    I’m not the one trying to pretend like it’s my business where someone else goes to relieve themselves.

  • Anonymous

    See, this is the problem. A bunch of ignorant folks think they have a right to comment on the issue and spew their hate when they don’t have a clue about the situation. This has nothing to do with sex drives or sexual orientation. You need to read up or be quiet.

  • Anonymous

    Well I nominate you to stand at the door of every bathroom in Maine and inspect the genitals of all those wishing to relieve themselves.

  • Anonymous

    Pure fad.

  • Anonymous

    Well, for one thing, you can’t shut me up by calling me names! You are showing YOUR ignorance. I have a right to comment on anything I choose. In your vitriol, you neglected to address my question! I’ve had children and grandchildren. ANSWER THE QUESTION!

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like you’re having a tantrum, Buzino.  Bgr2saco4me made a legitimate point, and I merely followed up when you disagreed with him.  It seems to me that if anyone here doesn’t have an open mind, it’s you.  Anyway, I have some suggestions and I hope you don’t take them the wrong way:  Don’t use exclamation points, and don’t capitalize every letter in a word so often.  It makes a bad impression, it takes away from the force of your statement, assuming your statement has any force to begin with, and it makes you look stupid.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right about the therapy. Thanks to the parents, this poor kid has an extremely tough road ahead. Many of them end up suicidal. Sad, sad parenting.

  • Anonymous

    Sexual gender has everything to do with this report!

  • Anonymous

    Sexual gender has everything to do with this report!

  • Anonymous

    oooo…. let’s make that 57 likes for DISLIKING our parents blatent ignorance and intolerance for others who are not exactly like them.

  • Anonymous

    oooo…. let’s make that 57 likes for DISLIKING our parents blatent ignorance and intolerance for others who are not exactly like them.

  • Anonymous

    oooo…. let’s make that 57 likes for DISLIKING our parents blatent ignorance and intolerance for others who are not exactly like them.

  • Anonymous

    oooo…. let’s make that 57 likes for DISLIKING our parents blatent ignorance and intolerance for others who are not exactly like them.

  • Anonymous

    Amen.

  • Anonymous

    No, “nice touch” about diverting away from the discrimination shown to this child.

  • Anonymous

    hey you just need to just look at it in context, as soon as I used the word defective everyone thought I wanted to march this person off to a death camp or something. Everyone seems to think that it’s ok to make people who have some sort of retardation or flaw which holds them back from fully participating in society feel like they are just as good as everyone else regardless. That is incorrect, because they aren’t dumb, they can see that they aren’t quite up to the task when it comes to a lot of things, and eventually they are going to figure out that they are being lied to. These people need friends and family to love them and tell them the truth, then hopefully they’re character will be as good as everyone elses in society. There are ways that I am defective as well, physically and mentally, as well as most people I know. In this case I find this boy to be majorly defective, this is something that is not very common (unlike what many people keep saying here I’m sorry but you don’t see transgenders running amock in the school yards like they claim is happening) and the parents encouraged the behavior because they seem to think it will bring him hapiness somehow. So far it seems to have caused a lot of trouble.
     That doesn’t mean that this person doesn’t deserve love and attention, we’re all human beings. Why I am so aggressive on this subject is the fact that one family’s beliefs have interrupted the peace of a school system dramatically due to one student. To me its simply selfish, I would not allow something within my family to cause so much of a disturbance in a school. How many other students that went to that school missed something because faculty was distracted with this mess? When it comes down to it, that is really all this is, a big distraction.

  • shannondemarest

    and if you put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig. *yawn*

  • Anonymous

    majority rules…. and most females would have an issue with a penis being iin their bathroom. I know I would have an issue with a female (especially as a teen boy) being in my male bathroom. ADULTS must adapt and overcome, children should not have to to that extreme. Your kid IS ‘different’ the sooner you accept that then the easier you can make it on him/her. There are tons of situations parents do not want their kids to deal with on a moral, ethical, emotional, or mental level. It is our job to protect them from the highly unlikely situations they will encounter in life and to give home training on how to deal with those weirdo situations with some compassion and grace to the person who is going through them. It should be the parents choice to subject the MAJORITY of NON transgendered kids to the altered lifestyle of the transgendered CHILD. Oh my, did I just offend ten people out of 10,000. sorry, my bad

  • Anonymous

    majority rules…. and most females would have an issue with a penis being iin their bathroom. I know I would have an issue with a female (especially as a teen boy) being in my male bathroom. ADULTS must adapt and overcome, children should not have to to that extreme. Your kid IS ‘different’ the sooner you accept that then the easier you can make it on him/her. There are tons of situations parents do not want their kids to deal with on a moral, ethical, emotional, or mental level. It is our job to protect them from the highly unlikely situations they will encounter in life and to give home training on how to deal with those weirdo situations with some compassion and grace to the person who is going through them. It should be the parents choice to subject the MAJORITY of NON transgendered kids to the altered lifestyle of the transgendered CHILD. Oh my, did I just offend ten people out of 10,000. sorry, my bad

  • Anonymous

    Many studies show that a child’s brain and reasoning function is not fully developed until the teen years, sometimes early 20′s.  A decision such as this (what gender you identify with) is really a MAJOR decision that I don’t feel should be left to a young child. We don’t let teenagers get their belly button pierced until age 18… we don’t let them drink alcohol until 21… they can’t vote until 18, and can’t join the military until 18.  So, HOW, then, do we think that they are capable of making such a life-altering choice at such a young age? 

    As a parent of a daughter, I would NOT want a student with male genitals using the same bathroom as my daughter, regardless of what that child THINKS they want to be.  Period.

  • Anonymous

    No, I have not tried to divert attention from discrimination issues.  I haven’t talked about them, but I’m perfectly willing to do so. 

    As I understand it from the article, the child and her parents claim that the schools discriminated against her by keeping her from the girl’s bathroom but allowing her to use the staff bathroom and by implementing an “eyes-on” procedure to protect her.  The superior court dismissed the bathroom claim on the ground that the law and regulations didn’t require the school to permit the child to use the girl’s bathroom.  So that leaves ”eyes-on” and possibly some other alleged matters not specified in the newspaper article as the only matters left before the court, and since “eyes-on” is said to be a common means of protecting a school child who may be bullied, it would seem to be appropriate and non discriminatory.  Of course, others might disagree, but this is something the court will decide based on the evidence and the law.  Are you aware of any other discrimination that the child and her parents have claimed?

  • Anonymous

    OK, now I can see which of my comments you questioned.  I’m sure, now, that Nicole has a penis – that’s only logical – but I don’t think the article says that.  My question (2) has to do with the school she currently attends.  I don’t think the article tells us.  If I’m wrong, please correct me.  All I can tell is that she and the school are using a “stealth” approach, which suggests she may be using the girl’s bathroom, but it doesn’t rule out a staff bathroom.

  • Anonymous

    I did not say that the school in Orono was not trying to work out a solution that would be suitable for all .
    However, based on that grandfather’s remarks, I would say, yes, they have encountered bigotry and discrimination. (they transgendered child and his family.)  And having read enough posts on the BDN comment pages…..well, I can read and the proof is in the pudding.

  • Anonymous

    I did not say that the school in Orono was not trying to work out a solution that would be suitable for all .
    However, based on that grandfather’s remarks, I would say, yes, they have encountered bigotry and discrimination. (they transgendered child and his family.)  And having read enough posts on the BDN comment pages…..well, I can read and the proof is in the pudding.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, it is those 50+ (or even younger) guys out in the open that would be something I would not care to witness.  The same people who make such a big deal out of transgendered people, don’t seem to find that distasteful?!!
    As we know, this is a basic human need. Let’s hope this young transgendered person and others will not have to suffer because all they want to do is use a bathroom!

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, it is those 50+ (or even younger) guys out in the open that would be something I would not care to witness.  The same people who make such a big deal out of transgendered people, don’t seem to find that distasteful?!!
    As we know, this is a basic human need. Let’s hope this young transgendered person and others will not have to suffer because all they want to do is use a bathroom!

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, it is those 50+ (or even younger) guys out in the open that would be something I would not care to witness.  The same people who make such a big deal out of transgendered people, don’t seem to find that distasteful?!!
    As we know, this is a basic human need. Let’s hope this young transgendered person and others will not have to suffer because all they want to do is use a bathroom!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q4AP5EYCYRCGZGIJGWI6TLIUEA Tom

    Why not make individual bathrooms for each student in every school?

  • OldWench

    Children of bigots either become bullies who grow up to be bigots just like they were raised or they become extremely sensitive to the feelings and rights of others, are extremely compassionate and distance themselves from their parents.  If my parents had been hateful like that I would have disowned them and cut all ties because I would not want that kind of negative, hateful influence over my children.

  • OldWench

    That wouldn’t be any different than homosexual kids sharing a bathroom and locker room with people of the same gender.  It already happens.  You shared a locker room with a few gay kids in your time as we all have.  Female bathrooms have a bit more privacy than male bathrooms typically do, so if an anatomically male student identifies as a female then the female bathroom offers more privacy.  This is a very tricky issue because some of the other kids might be uncomfortable with sharing the bathroom, and the rights of those kids matter too.  They should just provide a couple of unisex bathrooms for those who has special needs for extra privacy, whether it be a transgender child or one being beaten up or bullied in the locker room.

  • OldWench

    Transgender children have a really tough time, usually due to the discomfort of others.  No one would choose to be different and go through all this, especially at a young age.  This is something where the wiring is a little off and the child was born that way.

  • shannondemarest

    ok. i wasn’t sure by your post that you were questioning where she used the bathroom at her new school. you are correct, it doesn’t state it from what i read.  it did, however, talk about when she was in orono, which is what i thought you were asking about.

  • shannondemarest

    while i can understand where you are coming from, i do not agree with one statement in particular you made:  ”and the parents encouraged the behavior because they seem to think it will bring him hapiness somehow.”  this child is happy. so what is wrong with them encouraging their child? i can agree that it did turn into a big distraction, but through no fault of this child’s parents. imho, the person(s) responsible for this becoming a giant distraction would be the person who cried ‘foul’ because of their own insecurities. 

  • shannondemarest

    sexual drive is not the same thing as identifying with a particular gender.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FAQ3OHFMP33PV4FJCA5HNJFSUE JenniferS

    They aren’t genetic defects! Your narrow-mindedness is a genetic defect though! No wonder why hate crimes are still rampant in the U.S. It’s because people think that anyone who isn’t identical to themselves is somehow less than human and unworthy of living. You have the same mentality as Hitler.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FAQ3OHFMP33PV4FJCA5HNJFSUE JenniferS

    Wow! Talk about being discriminatory! It sounds like you might have been a bully in school, am I correct? You seem to get thrills out of making fun of and belittling others who happen to be different than you!
    By the way, as the article states more than once, she identifies herself as a girl, so it’s not a boy who dresses up like a girl, it’s a girl who wears girl clothes, thinks and acts like a girl. I have ADHD, and yet I still seem to be having a better job at paying attention to what this article is about.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FAQ3OHFMP33PV4FJCA5HNJFSUE JenniferS

    So, a person’s sexuality now dictates what bathroom they can use too? So a gay man should be using the woman’s bathroom since he’s attracted to men, and a lesbian woman should be using the men’s bathroom since she’s attracted to women? That’s tacky and doesn’t make the least bit of sense whatsoever! What does her sexuality have to do with which bathroom she uses? Absolutely nothing!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FAQ3OHFMP33PV4FJCA5HNJFSUE JenniferS

    I’m glad that you actually seem to have a strong grasp on what’s being mentioned in this article and in the comments section here, along with a few others! I applaud your open-mindedness and an understanding of what diversity is and how to apply it to the real world. :)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FAQ3OHFMP33PV4FJCA5HNJFSUE JenniferS

    Can you be cured of being the gender that you happened to be born into? Or even better, can you be cured of thinking that everyone different than you is automatically defective?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    The Fuhrer said we is the master race, is that how you think? I didn’t
    say anything about bgr2saco4me didn’t have the right to voice his
    opinion. On the other hand, viewpoints like this start as discrimination
    and continue until hate crimes end up occurring and then people (maybe
    like you for instance) then happen to wonder why the crime rates in the
    state and country as a whole are exponentially on the rise. Hmmm….I wonder!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    Just like sexual urges are controlled by the mind not the sex organs. It’s not like a penis or vagina can think on it’s own about what it wants to do.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    So if you were born with a gene in your genetic makeup for extreme tallness or extreme shortness for instance, would you want people to treat you differently just because of it? Probably not, I’m guessing. So why should someone born into the wrong biological gender be treated any differently?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    That’s one of the hard parts of having ADHD. I sometimes stumble over my own words with what I’m trying to opinionate to others about. I guess I’m just as “defective” as some say that the transgendered, gay/lesbian, disabled and those of different races/ethnicities are. Oh well, I got used to the unrelenting teasing, mockery and downright cruelty that I experienced in my younger years. I guess that just makes me more open-minded to diversity from all walks of life.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    Thanks! That’s what happens when someone, such as I have done, experiences a wide range of diversity. I have acquaintances and friends who are of different sexualities, races, religions, ethnicities, languages, and social classes than my own. My husband wonders how I know so many people and stay connected with them, particularly through facebook. I go places, meet people and hear their stories. I learn about different ways of life, other groups of people in far away countries. I read about them in books and magazine like National Geographic (one of my favorites growing up because of my grandmother having a 15-20 year collection). I read about others lives in true life books. I browse the library catalog when I don’t know what to check out for the next book. A lot of things I have learned about just by stumbling upon them by accident. Granted I’m not yet as well traveled as many others I know, but that’s a working progress.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    Unfortunately it’s hard to accommodate everyone in a situation like this, and someone would likely still feel that that things aren’t how they think they should be.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    There is no such thing as “curing” the “condition” of a transgendered person. Just like most anti-gay therapy doesn’t work either. I know someone that spent 17 years and over $3oK on anti-gay therapies that didn’t work. What did that achieve for this person beside a great deal of financial debt? Not a darn thing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    You’re saying for instance that the Jewish and Muslim populations in the Middle East are welcoming of Christians trying to evangelize? Christians are of a religion that try to push their beliefs on others (as far as what I have seen, hear and read) more than any other religion or spirituality denomination in the world.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    It amazes me sometimes how adults use children to do their dirty work because they can’t handle doing so themselves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    It would be equivalent to surgeons doing a bone lengthening surgery on a little person/dwarf (someone of very short stature) who happens to be prepubescent/pubescent. The body isn’t finished growing in general at this stage in a person’s life and would just end up costing more money and more pain and suffering for the person having the surgery done, because a surgeon would have to alter things to estimated sizes after puberty. For instance, with gender reassignment surgery for a male to female transgendered person, a surgeon wouldn’t be giving a girl of prepubescent/pubescent age a breast enhancement of a C cup, because girls that age don’t usually develop breasts that large at such a young age. Doing something like that with a gender reassignment surgery would just cause even more problems than what the child started with in the first place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    I would hope not, but unfortunately, just like with other categories of surgeons, I’m sure that there are some gender reassignment surgeons out there that are whacked.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=5810051 Jennifer Staples

    And if an individual is behind the closed door of a bathroom stall, why would it matter which body parts the person is equipped with?

  • Buzlno

    I think what most people are saying here is Keep an open mind and educate yourself. 

    Thank you for doing just that.

  • Anonymous

    So…the rights of all the other female students should be pushed aside to accommodate this student? Are we opening ourselves up to a huge class action lawsuit? If even one female student has a problem using the same bathroom, locker room, or showers, as this student, how do we handle that? The female student’s rights do not count as much as the one demanding to be with the girls?  

  • http://twitter.com/Potterchik Aurora Erratic

    It seems like all this happened – this family’s lives were disrupted – because of one bigot.  That is a shame.

  • Buzlno

    None of my comments have addressed that issue. Just trying to wrap my little mind around the lack of understanding of the tiny minded posts here. You have obviously replied to the wrong comment.

  • Anonymous

    Stealth??? How fair is that to all the female students? Isn’t this the age that students start having little boyfriends and girlfriends? What about the unsuspecting boy who finds out after the fact that this kid has a penis? What about the ridicule that he will suffer? I suppose that doesn’t matter does it?

  • Buzlno

    It was a hypothetical question………Please reread it in context.

  • Anonymous

    What do snowflakes have to do with it?

  • Anonymous

    No matter how you try to get around it Matthew 19:4 still stands!

  • Anonymous

    No, it does matter, and you raise some excellent points that I agree with.  The policy of deception is a bad one and can have unfortunate consequences.  There are a couple of other problems here, and one of them is that your points, even though they’re good ones, aren’t likely to get much sympathy with the BDN, which is pretty rigorously cleansing and censoring the comments to this article. The other thing is that the whole thing is approached from the point of view of the disordered child and her family, not the other students and their families.  In other words, it’s all about the disordered child.

  • Anonymous

    Your second question is argumentative and I’m not even going to answer it beyond saying that you and I probably agree that it’s better to call the child disordered – she suffers from gender identity disorder – than defective.

    As to your first question, what exactly do you mean by “the gender that you happened to be born into”, both generally and then particularly for Nicole?  I gather from the article that Nicole was born as a boy but identifies herself/himself as a girl and is being treated at a gender management clinic, and that is why I asked the questions about sexual identify cure or change of mind.  Do you know the answers?

  • Anonymous

    If when you say “sexuality” you mean one’s sexual preference or how one feels about the opposite sex – as distinct from how one identifies about his/her own gender – , I would say that in Nicole’s case it makes a great deal of difference if her sexual preference is for females.  That’s because she has a penis.  I think a lot of children and their parents would feel uneasy about someone with a penis and a sexual preference for females being let loose in the girl’s bathroom.

  • Anonymous

    I absolutely agree with your point about unisex bathrooms.  It seems to be an obvious solution that would accomodate conflicting interests and mitigate a lot of problems.

  • Anonymous

    That’s a good point, but there are still those who would feel uncomfortable with it because there’s always a possibility of someone not respecting the closed door, and if that someone had a penis and was sexually attracted to girls there could be a big problem in the confines of a girl’s bathroom.  But if it weren’t for that and other’s discomfort, an argument could be made that the schools should just do away with separate bathrooms for girls and boys and just have one large bathroom with stalls and closed doors, and no urinals.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, see my reply above to Jennifer Staples.  Having said that, however, I still think the best solution is separate boy’s and girl’s bathrooms and a couple of individual unisex bathrooms that anyone can use.

  • ladybaroque

    I agree!!  A basic need in life is to be safe, to have security in one’s environment.  Hatred expressed as bullying should never be accepted.

  • Anonymous

    Your focus is not unreasonable, but you shouldn’t forget that there are other interests that have to be considered.  It’s not all about what Nicole and her family want.  Nicole’s disorder affects others at school and their needs have to be accomodated.

  • Anonymous

    There are an awful lot of us that already have all the answers, so we don’t have to educate ourselves.  This is no time to be nice, this is a time to be right, so we also don’t need open minds. 

  • Anonymous

    Gender Management Service Clinic is not trying to “cure her condition.”  They are trying to help her deal with the fact that she is different and living in a society intolerant difference. The only cure here is our acceptance of her.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, biologically a person with a penis is a male, but isn’t maybe possible that the person is ‘wired’ differently before they exit the womb to identify as a female?  Can’t ‘mix-ups’ occur in the in the womb, in the world, in nature?  Should we cull these ‘mix-ups’?  If we’re ‘Pro-life’ that’s not an option.  How about subbing in a Pro-humanity concept for Pro-life?   

    This child identified as a girl from at least the time she was three; how did she know enough of the world for this to be a choice? 

    Biology, genetics, and life are not plain and simple, but minds can be. 

  • Anonymous

    What’s a ‘biggot’?

  • Anonymous

    Did God not also make hermaphrodites, or are they on their own?

  • Anonymous

    Why not make one bathroom for everyone in the school?  God knows we could use the money saved on new bathroom construction to reduce the deficit. 

  • Anonymous

    Yup, it’s easier to spread hate anonymously than face a hate-based society as a transgendered person. 

  • Anonymous

    The BDN, unfortunately, has a pretty heavy hand on the censorship button today because someone is removing a lot of fair comments, including the reply I made last night to your comment criticizing me.  I hope you had a chance to read it before it was taken out.

    One of the points I have made, and which you apparently believe is none of my business, is unfair and manifests a mind that is not open, has to do with the child’s sexual preference.  I’ll say it again: If Nichole is attracted to girls instead of boys, there’s an even stronger argument that she shouldn’t be using the girl’s bathroom or the girl’s locker room.  Now you can disagree with me on the point – even though at least 8 people do agree – and you can engage me on the substance of the issue mentioned by bgr2saco4me and me, but don’t tell me that I shouldn’t comment and that I don’t have an open mind.

  • Anonymous

    The BDN, unfortunately, has a pretty heavy hand on the censorship button today because someone is removing a lot of fair comments, including the reply I made last night to your comment criticizing me.  I hope you had a chance to read it before it was taken out.

    One of the points I have made, and which you apparently believe is none of my business, is unfair and manifests a mind that is not open, has to do with the child’s sexual preference.  I’ll say it again: If Nichole is attracted to girls instead of boys, there’s an even stronger argument that she shouldn’t be using the girl’s bathroom or the girl’s locker room.  Now you can disagree with me on the point – even though at least 8 people do agree – and you can engage me on the substance of the issue mentioned by bgr2saco4me and me, but don’t tell me that I shouldn’t comment and that I don’t have an open mind.

  • Anonymous

    The BDN, unfortunately, has a pretty heavy hand on the censorship button today because someone is removing a lot of fair comments, including the reply I made last night to your comment criticizing me.  I hope you had a chance to read it before it was taken out.

    One of the points I have made, and which you apparently believe is none of my business, is unfair and manifests a mind that is not open, has to do with the child’s sexual preference.  I’ll say it again: If Nichole is attracted to girls instead of boys, there’s an even stronger argument that she shouldn’t be using the girl’s bathroom or the girl’s locker room.  Now you can disagree with me on the point – even though at least 8 people do agree – and you can engage me on the substance of the issue mentioned by bgr2saco4me and me, but don’t tell me that I shouldn’t comment and that I don’t have an open mind.

  • Anonymous

    The BDN, unfortunately, has a pretty heavy hand on the censorship button today because someone is removing a lot of fair comments, including the reply I made last night to your comment criticizing me.  I hope you had a chance to read it before it was taken out.

    One of the points I have made, and which you apparently believe is none of my business, is unfair and manifests a mind that is not open, has to do with the child’s sexual preference.  I’ll say it again: If Nichole is attracted to girls instead of boys, there’s an even stronger argument that she shouldn’t be using the girl’s bathroom or the girl’s locker room.  Now you can disagree with me on the point – even though at least 8 people do agree – and you can engage me on the substance of the issue mentioned by bgr2saco4me and me, but don’t tell me that I shouldn’t comment and that I don’t have an open mind.

  • Anonymous

    The BDN, unfortunately, has a pretty heavy hand on the censorship button today because someone is removing a lot of fair comments, including the reply I made last night to your comment criticizing me.  I hope you had a chance to read it before it was taken out.

    One of the points I have made, and which you apparently believe is none of my business, is unfair and manifests a mind that is not open, has to do with the child’s sexual preference.  I’ll say it again: If Nichole is attracted to girls instead of boys, there’s an even stronger argument that she shouldn’t be using the girl’s bathroom or the girl’s locker room.  Now you can disagree with me on the point – even though at least 8 people do agree – and you can engage me on the substance of the issue mentioned by bgr2saco4me and me, but don’t tell me that I shouldn’t comment and that I don’t have an open mind.

  • Anonymous

    I think transgender is about identifying as the opposite gender from what you were born as, which usually leads people to choose the surgery.  Actually, I suppose that after the surgery they are no longer transgendered. 

  • Anonymous

    She was in fifth grade in 2007, so she must be around fourteen, God bless her. 

  • Anonymous

    Me too!

  • Anonymous

    Why should the child be “Corrected”? It is a shame that people automatically want to change something due to them being uncomfortable with the difference. Thankfully this child was able to be in a family that accepted difference and provided love and understanding. Educate before you hate and you may end up meeting some wonderful people.

  • Anonymous

    Why should the child be “Corrected”? It is a shame that people automatically want to change something due to them being uncomfortable with the difference. Thankfully this child was able to be in a family that accepted difference and provided love and understanding. Educate before you hate and you may end up meeting some wonderful people.

  • AionNV

    You pretty much have a good grasp of it, they really are as psychotic as they seem.

  • AionNV

    He’s still a man, just not a very happy one…

  • AionNV

    Well, the majority are nice to your face !

  • MARINE73

    I agree.  It appears the parents took the easy route and enabled this boy to believe he was a girl.  If they felt so strongly he should have been born a girl, then change his body to match his mind.  Go the distance and settle the issue once and for all.  How screwed up can this kid get by thinking he’s a girl but physically being a boy.  Until the matter has been settled by surgery, businesses and schools should not be required to accommodate a confused individual.  It’s a simple solution, take away his male equipment then he’s welcome to use any women’s bathroom he wants to.  Or is there more to this one-sided story that was not addressed?  Maybe he doesn’t want to be a girl in every sense of the word.   

  • Anonymous

    really………..who cares if you stand up or sit down to pee? I say let this person pee where the people of the same sex pee. Some people just don’t seem to understand that a heart, brain etc reside in a BODY and stop discrimminating just because we don’t all WORK the same way!!!! LOVE ONE ANOTHER and remember………………….the winners have to be on the SAME TEAM. Take a look at the mess our country is in…let’s all get on the same team once again and pull this country together with acceptance of everyone!! Get educated and grow up!

  • Anonymous

    This is one persons “opinion” and is labeled as such.

  • AionNV

    Yes, and that’s in the Bible too, it’s just that these phony “Christians” posting here are mostly illiterate and too lazy to actually study the Bible they feel so compelled to quote to support their pig pigheadedness.

  • AionNV

    Yes, and that’s in the Bible too, it’s just that these phony “Christians” posting here are mostly illiterate and too lazy to actually study the Bible they feel so compelled to quote to support their pig pigheadedness.

  • Anonymous

    The trouble lies not with uneducated children.  It lies with uneducated adults.  I have lived as a transgender person now for nearly 10 years.  In that time, I have been called “faggot”(a word that shouldn’t be said at all), queer, drag queen, and other obsenities.  Just because a person is transgender, that does not give everyone the right to pull their ego down while boosting the “neanderthall” view.  People don’t  realize that there are a large portion of us in this state.  Some of us work in the health care field.  So when you say you don’t know a transgender, how can you be so sure of it.?

  • Anonymous

    The trouble lies not with uneducated children.  It lies with uneducated adults.  I have lived as a transgender person now for nearly 10 years.  In that time, I have been called “faggot”(a word that shouldn’t be said at all), queer, drag queen, and other obsenities.  Just because a person is transgender, that does not give everyone the right to pull their ego down while boosting the “neanderthall” view.  People don’t  realize that there are a large portion of us in this state.  Some of us work in the health care field.  So when you say you don’t know a transgender, how can you be so sure of it.?

  • Anonymous

    The trouble lies not with uneducated children.  It lies with uneducated adults.  I have lived as a transgender person now for nearly 10 years.  In that time, I have been called “faggot”(a word that shouldn’t be said at all), queer, drag queen, and other obsenities.  Just because a person is transgender, that does not give everyone the right to pull their ego down while boosting the “neanderthall” view.  People don’t  realize that there are a large portion of us in this state.  Some of us work in the health care field.  So when you say you don’t know a transgender, how can you be so sure of it.?

  • AionNV

    It only takes one…

  • AionNV

    It only takes one…

  • AionNV

    Unless the bathroom police in this forum go around and stick their noses down everybody’s drawers, I don’t see this happening.

  • AionNV

    Unless the bathroom police in this forum go around and stick their noses down everybody’s drawers, I don’t see this happening.

  • AionNV

    Unless the bathroom police in this forum go around and stick their noses down everybody’s drawers, I don’t see this happening.

  • AionNV

    Unless the bathroom police in this forum go around and stick their noses down everybody’s drawers, I don’t see this happening.

  • AionNV

    Unless the bathroom police in this forum go around and stick their noses down everybody’s drawers, I don’t see this happening.

  • AionNV

    Unless the bathroom police in this forum go around and stick their noses down everybody’s drawers, I don’t see this happening.

  • Anonymous

    OK, it looks to me, too, that the schools have tried to work it out, and I don’t see any indication in the article that there has been governmental discrimination against the child.  That’s what counts in the lawsuit.

  • AionNV

    I think the most striking thing about all this issue  is how so many people here become the self appointed bathroom cops.  I mean really, get a life.  Seems REALLY creepy to me that so many people are so obsessed with someone’s gender.  Or to be more accurate, are so obsessed with strangers genders as to feel they have some sort of right to stick their noses down people’s pants.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, but does anyone disagree with the notion that we all are not only within our rights, politically speaking, to, and otherwise SHOULD judge him by the fruits that his efforts have bared ?

    “Shortly thereafter, a male student and his grandfather objected to Nicole’s use of the bathroom.
    “This kid came into the bathroom [in October 2007] and said, ‘My grandfather says we don’t have to have any faggots in our school,’”

    “He maintained that the same anti-discrimination laws being used to justify a transgender child’s use of certain restrooms also could be used to justify his grandson’s use of the same bathroom.”

    So in our free America:  “An adult would stand 15 feet away from me wherever I went,” she said. “When I would go to the bathroom, they would follow me. When I would go to the lunchroom, they’d follow me. It was like I had an invisible string attached to me and they were on the other end. It was ridiculous.”

    The bottom, is :

    ” The move meant Wayne would spend the week in Orono alone and head south for weekends with his family.”

    Can we measure the fruits of  Paul Melanson who ”received support from the Christian Civic League of Maine and its then-director Michael Heath”,
    in terms of freedom, and “family values”, politically speaking,
    and mean spirited intolerance, otherwise ?

    But what I really want to know is why Paul Melanson wanted his grandson to be allowed to use the girls room, too ? What is up with that ?

  • Anonymous

    So why are you whining about some people expressing their beliefs
    about how much good Paul Melanson who “received support from the Christian Civic League of Maine and its then-director Michael Heath”, have actually accomplished ?

    Have you got something in your own eye. Pilgrim ?

  • Anonymous

    What is most striking to me is the number of people who haven’t grasped the fact that it is the disordered child and her parents who raised the issue of gender and bathroom use in the first place and who have sued the school district because of those things.  Bathroom use, and how to resolve it for the disordered child and other students, is a very large part of the article.

  • Anonymous

    You and I are on different sides on this particular article, but I agree with you on the heavy handed cencorship point.  A fair amount of my comments are gone this morning as well.  At least the censors seem to be fairly balanced in that they are removing comments from both sides of the arguement.  What I don’t understand is that the comments from both sides that have been removed for the most part all abided with their stated rules.  Makes one wonder…

  • Anonymous

    Right, because an open mind is such a bad thing. (Sarcastic, just in case you could’t tell)

  • Anonymous

    No matter what is changed to try to help this kid he will be screwed up the rest of life and he will blame it on us so called regular people. If you are born with the plumbing you are a man. If you like girl things or other men then so be it. Deal with it. We have to.

  • Anonymous

    No matter what is changed to try to help this kid he will be screwed up the rest of life and he will blame it on us so called regular people. If you are born with the plumbing you are a man. If you like girl things or other men then so be it. Deal with it. We have to.

  • Anonymous

    No matter what is changed to try to help this kid he will be screwed up the rest of life and he will blame it on us so called regular people. If you are born with the plumbing you are a man. If you like girl things or other men then so be it. Deal with it. We have to.

  • Anonymous

    No matter what is changed to try to help this kid he will be screwed up the rest of life and he will blame it on us so called regular people. If you are born with the plumbing you are a man. If you like girl things or other men then so be it. Deal with it. We have to.

  • Anonymous

    No matter what is changed to try to help this kid he will be screwed up the rest of life and he will blame it on us so called regular people. If you are born with the plumbing you are a man. If you like girl things or other men then so be it. Deal with it. We have to.

  • Anonymous

    The fact is we do not know anything at all about his/her glands so about his/her hormones
    from facts in the story, so that leaves lots of space for your agreement, still, doesn’t it, Dysart ?
     
    I have learned in my lifetime that, at least with human sexuality, that the brain is the really the most important sex organ.
    Has your experience been different , Dysart ?  

      

  • Anonymous

    I’ve seen the BDN do it before, and I’ve even exchanged e mails with the guy at the BDN in charge of the website about it.   It seems to me that on some topics there’s almost a presumption that hard-hitting comments that might offend someone – even though they don’t violate the stated guidelines – should be removed.  So the guy/gal who controls the button has a lot of “discretion.”  Sometimes I have the feeling that a summer intern without a lot of experience is on watch.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve seen the BDN do it before, and I’ve even exchanged e mails with the guy at the BDN in charge of the website about it.   It seems to me that on some topics there’s almost a presumption that hard-hitting comments that might offend someone – even though they don’t violate the stated guidelines – should be removed.  So the guy/gal who controls the button has a lot of “discretion.”  Sometimes I have the feeling that a summer intern without a lot of experience is on watch.

  • Anonymous

    They should go to the clinic with this kid. you should go too.

  • waynorth1

    Last time I checked, every stall in a female bathroom had a lock on it.  Get in, lock the door, get your business done, unlock, wash, dry, leave.  Back to class.

  • waynorth1

    Last time I checked, every stall in a female bathroom had a lock on it.  Get in, lock the door, get your business done, unlock, wash, dry, leave.  Back to class.

  • Anonymous

    These “people” are crazy! You are born, and you are what you are. They don’t need acceptance, they need therapy!

  • Anonymous

    These “people” are crazy! You are born, and you are what you are. They don’t need acceptance, they need therapy!

  • Anonymous

    How would you go about curing the condition? Maybe Michelle Bachmann’s husband could help.
    [sarcasm intended]

  • Anonymous

    How would you go about curing the condition? Maybe Michelle Bachmann’s husband could help.
    [sarcasm intended]

  • Anonymous

    In my day, the only girl in school who could write her name in the snow was quite popular.  

  • Anonymous

    In my day, the only girl in school who could write her name in the snow was quite popular.  

  • Anonymous

    In my day, the only girl in school who could write her name in the snow was quite popular.  

  • Anonymous

    Before you go throwing around terms like disorder, you might look at the 1974 publication of the DSM, when they removed homosexuality from its list of disorders. Gender identity is merely another aspect our very complicated selves as human beings.

    Honestly this country is so prudish and closed minded. 

  • Anonymous

    Before you go throwing around terms like disorder, you might look at the 1974 publication of the DSM, when they removed homosexuality from its list of disorders. Gender identity is merely another aspect our very complicated selves as human beings.

    Honestly this country is so prudish and closed minded. 

  • Anonymous

    It does so, and in her mother’s and her own words;

    “The school is more supportive but she’s stealth here.”
    “Stealth” means that teachers and administrators know Nicole is transgender but her fellow students do not.

    “I’m not a big fan of being stealth,” Nicole said. “I would like my friends here to know. I feel my bond with them would be closer if they know. I don’t have that connection here that I do with my friends in Orono. I know that my friends in Orono truly support me but I’m not sure they would here.”

  • Anonymous

    I think Chaz Bono is not having the gender reassignment at least not any time soon. [I saw a documentary on Chaz on OWN channel recently.]

  • Anonymous

    There are not  two alike?

  • Anonymous

    Well, I hope you’re not suggesting that I’m prudish and closed minded because I said disorder.  And I’m not “throwing it around.”  I’m using disorder because it’s the word the BDN uses in the article, so if you have a problem with the word, take it up with the reporter and the editor.  Who knows, you might even persuade them to remove my comment.  They’re doing a lot of that today.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe your concept of “right” is not what tolerant people who dislike bigotry would agree with.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t now nor will I ever believe that homosexuality or ‘transgenderism’ is something that people are born with. I will allways know that it is something that is encouraged, cooerced and/ or forced upon an individual either directly or indirectly. I believe both to be a disease of the mind and as far as homosexuality is concerned I believe it to be nothing more than a perverse addiction and self dillusion. And as far as having parents who would encourage such attitude in a young child I think boarders on the very inapropriate, is child abuse and somewhere in there I believe Molestation has occured, weather physical, mental or emotional… Children should not be encouraged along these lines nor should they be taught that it is ok to feel this way. It goes completely against every grain of humanity. And no I won’t pretend to ubderstand it either because I see it for what it realy is… A LIE…

  • Anonymous

    I am reading both sides of this issue and see that what it boils down to is the private act of human waste elimination. When raising our children we stress that we have private parts that we don’t expose to members of the opposite sex. So we must understand that these little girls may be uncomfortable with this situation as well a parents. Does this make them bigots or people committing hate crimes or stupid or insensitive. No, I think not.This is a whole new world we’re moving into. Where norms and morals are being changed. So Both sides of these issues must stop the name calling both ways as well as really listen to each other and find a solution that is comfortable for everyone. I’m not seeing people having a problem with  the boy living as a girl, just bathroom issues. Can’t we just solve this without hating each other?I knew a young girl that was my son’s friend.She always told me she wanted to be a boy. She went to college and after time and surgery returned as a man. I hugged him and still see and love the wonderful person he is. But I must confess , shoulder to shoulder in a men’s room I will no doubt fell a little uncomfortable.

  • Anonymous

    You go GIRL!!!!

  • Anonymous

    I often wonder about how many people who have had rough childhoods and upbringings (including bullying, rejection,etc) develop a lot of understanding and empathy for others when they are adults, whereas there are others who continue on with the bullying and hate. It has to do with other factors as well it seems. I think if we read a lot and try to learn (as you do) and get out in the world (even if just in one’s state, locally,etc.) and experience many different things and meet people from varying walks of life , faiths,etc., it leads to much better outcomes.  People who only surround themselves with one outlook and stick in one rut (like in a bubble) seem to be more distrustful and intolerant.

  • Anonymous

    That poster is likely a Bachmann supporter. (oh no, likely Perry.)

  • Anonymous

    Lay off the 420. The rest of us will be better able to understand you.

  • Anonymous

    You are welcome to your beliefs, but they are not facts, and I believe your beliefs are wrong. 

  • Anonymous

    You are welcome to your beliefs, but they are not facts, and I believe your beliefs are wrong. 

  • Anonymous

    Actually, I was trying to reproduce the beliefs of some of the people who feel they have all the answers to show how phony it appears.

  • Anonymous

    I’d like to make an observation. In a certain sense, we all are unique and different, each from every other, in many ways. And in many ways, we are all alike. So the universal challenge, for each of us, is to make our way in life by balancing our desire for our own comfort and self-expression, with our desire for acceptance and civil interaction with those around us.

    We can be “who we are,” or we can be “who they want us to be.” We ALL wind up somewhere in the middle, by our own decisions and actions.

    Unfortunately, some individuals are visited with challenges that are more difficult than others in this regard. It could be ANY characteristic. In this case, the child and the child’s parents identified a particular difference – a gender identity issue – early. They decided to embrace the difference and make other decisions – a name, a way of dressing, a self-description, and so forth. One of those decisions was to ask for accommodation by the school system.

    The trouble then, is that the school department has to find a solution that accommodates EVERY student if possible. I simply don’t think it is possible to perfectly accommodate every student’s rights and needs in this case, at least not under the current conditions.

    The best that the school could do, was exactly what the school did – offer the use of neither the boys’ restroom, nor the girls’, but instead use a staff bathroom for maximum privacy of every student. Is a perfect solution? No; I’m sure that the transgendered child doesn’t like being “different.” But, like it or not, this child IS “different.”

    It clearly seems that the best that the school could do, still wasn’t good enough for the family of this child. This is unfortunate, but at some point it is unreasonable to expect the public institution to do anything more than what has already been done.

  • Anonymous

    I’ll bet  you think Bachmann is actually fit to be President. If thats true, your in serious need of counciling. Without the ignorant the present form of the Republican party would not exsist.

  • Anonymous

    The school actually was doing the best they could, allowing Nicole to use the girl’s bathroom, until another student’s grandfather Paul Melanson decided to take issue, using his grandson as a pawn to make a point with Michael Heath and the Christian Civic League.

    You paint Nicole’s parents as the unreasonable ones, which is untrue. Paul Melanson was being unreasonable in trying to get the school to allow his heterosexual grandson to use the girl’s bathroom, and I feel bad for that child being put in that situation.

  • Anonymous

    Really? Accusing the parents of molestation? I don’t think you have any justification in judging how these parents struggled to deal with this very real and difficult issue.

  • Anonymous

    Really? Accusing the parents of molestation? I don’t think you have any justification in judging how these parents struggled to deal with this very real and difficult issue.

  • EastPondPatriot

    Well, here’s the catch:  if a person is allowed to use restrooms typically identified with the opposite physical gender, at least some of those of the opposite gender will be offended.  To put it a little differently, try this scenario:  a person with male genitalia is allowed to use the female’s restroom.  Whilst there, a female (who was the victim of a sexual assault prior to the current day) is also in the same restroom.  She may then feel alarmed, panicked, etc.  What restroom should she then use to avoid repeat situations?  Do we offend the many to avoid offending the one or few? 

  • Anonymous

    So in your reality, parents taking every effort to understand and nurture their children are horrendous, but making armchair proclamations over a family you have never met is perfectly acceptable.

    Please try to walk a mile in someone else’s shoes before you decide they are horrible people deserving of such condemnation.

  • Anonymous

    Transgendered people are found to live perfectly healthy lives psychologically. It is becoming apparent that what is ‘screwed up’ is being ostracized from family, kicked out of the house, or other thing that Nicole is blessed to not have to deal with.

  • Anonymous

    Transgendered people are found to live perfectly healthy lives psychologically. It is becoming apparent that what is ‘screwed up’ is being ostracized from family, kicked out of the house, or other thing that Nicole is blessed to not have to deal with.

  • Anonymous

    Transgendered people are found to live perfectly healthy lives psychologically. It is becoming apparent that what is ‘screwed up’ is being ostracized from family, kicked out of the house, or other thing that Nicole is blessed to not have to deal with.

  • Anonymous

    Transgendered people are found to live perfectly healthy lives psychologically. It is becoming apparent that what is ‘screwed up’ is being ostracized from family, kicked out of the house, or other thing that Nicole is blessed to not have to deal with.

  • Anonymous

    So someone with the point of view that black people shouldn’t be living in their neighborhood, who shouts about this opinion to their neighbors constantly, does not need to be told their attitude is wrong and offensive?

  • Anonymous

    A true parent will always love their child.

  • Anonymous

    I think it is important to note that no one directly affected by Nichole using the girl’s bathroom complained at all. No girls attending that school complained.

    It was a boy’s grandson, Paul Melanson, who contacted the hateful Michael Heath and his Christian Civic League of Maine, and they used this as another issue in their long history of opposing equality and understanding of gender and sexual orientation issues.

  • Anonymous

    Funny thing is, none of the girls attending that school complained about this, nor did the parent of any girl there. It was a bigoted grandfather of a boy attending school there who complained.

  • Anonymous

    Why do you put quotes around the word people?

    Do you think a transgendered person is somehow less than human, less deserving of extending basic human decency?

  • http://thats-my-rule.livejournal.com/ Charlotte

     Transgender individuals can be attracted to males, females, or both, same as with cisgender (definition: gender identity matches biological sex) individuals.  If someone like Nicole were to be attracted to girls, she’d be gay, not straight, because she’d be a girl who liked girls.  The reverse is also true: a trans man (female to male) who was attracted to men would also be gay.

    Gender Identity Disorder cannot be cured.  Any supposed “cures” to make people “normal” are merely forcing the person in question to be ashamed of and hide who they truly are.  However, GID is not always permanent; some children may have gender dysphoria when they are young and then grow out of it, as was the case with me.

    I must also question your use of the word “defective” throughout these comments.  Are those of us who live with mental disorders defective as well?  I’m not trying to start an argument; I’m genuinely curious about your thoughts.

  • Anonymous

    The bible says nothing against transgendered people. But it does say a lot in support of slavery…

  • Anonymous

    Actually, I think it is showing better understanding. Transgendered people have been around forever, making our communities a safer place for all people is a good thing.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, I think it is showing better understanding. Transgendered people have been around forever, making our communities a safer place for all people is a good thing.

  • http://thats-my-rule.livejournal.com/ Charlotte

    …I must question if you are, in fact, reading the same article as the rest of us, because this article is clearly about a girl.  That she was born with boy parts does nothing to change that, no matter what ignorant individuals may believe.

    And yes, disordered is far better than defective, as should be common sense.  The latter is downright cruel and should be used to describe objects, not human beings.

  • http://thats-my-rule.livejournal.com/ Charlotte

    Often, it is extremely difficult to get a transgender child surgery.  Many doctors are hesitant to perform such a permanent procedure on someone so young.  Additionally, it can be incredibly expensive.  I know several transgender adults who have not yet been able to fully transition for the latter reason.

    Additionally, “she”.  Not “he”.  The amount of misgendering of this girl in these comments is saddening.

  • pboy

    With the woeful moron’s the Democartic would have fallen apart years ago. We can only hope for the future. After all, the Dem’s do have the WORST PRESIDENT in history on thier side. He has done such a great job creating jobs. The good thing is, the Dem’s continue being arrogant ,stupid
    and ignorant. Some things never change thankfully.

  • http://thats-my-rule.livejournal.com/ Charlotte

    The issue in this article is not sexual orientation, which is who you’re attracted to.  The issues here is gender identity, which is whether you identify as a boy or a girl.  The two are not linked, contrary to popular belief.

    Why would the parents ENCOURAGE their child to transition to female when the topic of transgenderism is one so, so many people are horribly ignorant about.  The parents in this article are clearly loving and would not encourage their child to go through something that would bring them such pain and difficulty.

    Also, your bigotry and ignorance is astounding and quite frankly disgusting.

  • http://thats-my-rule.livejournal.com/ Charlotte

    Just to clarify, therapy is something that is necessary for anyone looking to transition from one gender to the other.  Not even going to touch the rest of the comment. :/

  • Anonymous

    “The clinic” is using discredited practices to treat sexual orientation as a problem that can be altered, when medical consensus is that sexual orientation is not a choice.

    Look into the quantity of suicides from clinics such as the one that Mr. Bachmann runs— they reinforce the mindset that there are “incorrect” sexual orientations or gender identifications, and because those are unchangeable qualities to a person, taking one’s life eventually gets seen as a solution.

    That it gets taxpayer funds to do its damage is appalling.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for your thoughtful reply.  If any one posting here knows about GID, it’s you, and that makes your reply helpful and credible.  But I have to correct you on one thing:  I’m not the guy using the word “defective.”  If you read all the comments carefully, you will see that I’m one of those who thinks that defective shouldn’t be used in reference to GID.  I have been very careful about that, and the only reason I even call it a disorder is that’s the word the BDN uses in this article.

  • Anonymous

    It’s nice that these parents are supportive of  their child. My spouse and I were married 20 years before he told me he was transgendered. I kind of figured out that things weren’t quite right long before that, but wasn’t quite sure what. When things finally came out, she was a much nicer, happier person. People didn’t quite understand why I stayed with her but, there was no reason to divorce her so, why bother. She was my friend before we married and remained so until she passed away last year, just shy of our 42 anniversary.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I’m reading the same article and no, I’m not looking for an argument with you.  When I said it’s ok to call the child a boy, I was agreeing with another poster, whose comment has since been deleted, so you are seeing my comment out of context.  In fact, I believe that the child was a boy biologically when he was born and treated that way by others.  I know he feels that he is a girl, has let his hair grow out, has had his name changed, wears girl’s clothes, and holds himself out to the world as a girl, but he still has his boy parts.  I guess there is some disagreement over his gender now and frankly, I’m not sure what it is.  I’ll say this, however, if the child wants to be called a girl, I’ll call him a girl to make him happy and avoid arguments, and if she (I’ve made the switch to girl) decides to have her boy parts changed into girl parts I’ll call her a girl with no reservations.  But unless and until she does that, when she is mature enough, I’m going to question in my own mind whether she’s really a girl and allow for the possibility that something will happen to change her feelings about her gender and decide that she’s a boy after all.

  • Anonymous

    With the lawsuit, all the publicity, the move and transfer to another school district in southern Maine before the 2009 school year started, the attempt at “stealth” with all the school teachers and administrators knowing the truth, it’s bound to come out.  People are curious.  Someone will figure it out.  I don’t think it’s going to be a secret very long.

  • Anonymous

    i like you’re point. 

  • Anonymous

    I am so proud of this family!  I don’t understand why people who don’t like the fact that there are people who are different from themselves feel the need to react negatively. I am so glad that Nicole has such a supportive family. I grew up in a large family of six brothers and five sisters. It wasn’t until recently that I learned that I actually have five brothers and five sisters. My newly recognized sister would have had such a better life if she had felt able to acknowledge who she was when she was young. People like the Melansons’ need to live their own life and worry less about others. Teaching such bigotry is so sad and so unnecessary.

  • Anonymous

    yeah, I’d venture a guess that he’s quite angry right now…;-)    But you are right—he’s still a man—because it is more than the presence of a penis that makes a person male.

  • Anonymous

    yeah, I’d venture a guess that he’s quite angry right now…;-)    But you are right—he’s still a man—because it is more than the presence of a penis that makes a person male.

  • http://thats-my-rule.livejournal.com/ Charlotte

    Ah, my mistake.  I’m not feeling so great, and my head’s spinning.  I apologize for not reading more carefully.

  • http://thats-my-rule.livejournal.com/ Charlotte

    Ah, my mistake.  I’m not feeling so great, and my head’s spinning.  I apologize for not reading more carefully.

  • Anonymous

    It doesn’t matter, no justification is required, he has his ‘beliefs’ so he has no use or need for knowledge. 

  • Anonymous

    It doesn’t matter, no justification is required, he has his ‘beliefs’ so he has no use or need for knowledge. 

  • Anonymous

    Right, why did they pick one of identical sons to influence to identify as a girl?  So they would have all these problems in dealing with a close-minded society?  They could have doubled their fun and ‘corrupted’ both children. 

  • Anonymous

    That’s why you’re special!

  • Anonymous

    That’s why you’re special!

  • Anonymous

    It just shows his ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    It just shows his ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    It just shows his ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    It just shows his ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    It’s about gender identification, not about sexuality.  Not everyone can comprehend the difference, apparently.  I hope we can discuss the concepts of male(ness) and female(ness) without bringing sexual preferences into the conversation.  Consider it an IQ test. 

  • Anonymous

    It’s about gender identification, not about sexuality.  Not everyone can comprehend the difference, apparently.  I hope we can discuss the concepts of male(ness) and female(ness) without bringing sexual preferences into the conversation.  Consider it an IQ test. 

  • Anonymous

    I’m so glad you were able to see past their bigotry.  Too many children are raised into hatred and intolerance of others, and it is just devestating to our society.

  • Anonymous

    I’m so glad you were able to see past their bigotry.  Too many children are raised into hatred and intolerance of others, and it is just devestating to our society.

  • Anonymous

    Which article was about a disordered child? 

  • Anonymous

    I can get you some references if you’re looking for help. 

  • Anonymous

    I can get you some references if you’re looking for help. 

  • Anonymous

    I can get you some references if you’re looking for help. 

  • Anonymous

    Sexual orientation (the gender you’re attracted to) and gender identity (which gender you most identify with) apply to everyone.  Just like a homosexual male is a man attracted to other men, my understanding is that a transgender man (who identifies with being female) who is attracted to females would be considered a lesbian of sorts.  This is how I interpret it anyway.  So just because Nicole has a penis, if she identifies with being female and likes boys, she’s straight.      

  • Anonymous

    It was better in the old days when society knew enough to correct supposed left-handedness.  Most parents today are content to take the easy route and let their children live with this condition, when most reasonable people know that we’re all meant to be right-handed. 

  • Anonymous

    It was better in the old days when society knew enough to correct supposed left-handedness.  Most parents today are content to take the easy route and let their children live with this condition, when most reasonable people know that we’re all meant to be right-handed. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=774531059 Stephanie Ann Treadwell

    It’s hard for you to understand unless you know someone in this situation…. They are not defective…. they just want or feel differently than you do…. I don’t think that is wrong. I think it’s sad when people feel like they were born into the wrong body, and I think its even worse that they get hell for it… They are not trying to CHANGE society…. they are telling you to mind your own business, don’t treat others with disrespect and don’t discriminate…. I think all of those things are good….Why the heck does it matter to you if someone is gay, straight, transgender, or bi sexual?! People need to mind their own business and stop spending their time and energy fretting about how we are not all the same. Honestly I think if everyone was WHITE, CHRISTIAN, and STRAIGHT, things would be incredibly boring. Instead embrace people for their differences.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=774531059 Stephanie Ann Treadwell

    so gays have to use different bathrooms????  NICE! Ummmmm why don’t we all just have different bathrooms…… way to take a step back…… every race and gender needs their own bathrooms too…… MY GOD! Have you ever considered the fact that just because someone is gay doesn’t mean they are sexually attracted to EVERYONE of the opposite sex?! I am not gay but I know that if I were to share a bathroom with a man, it’s not exactly my first thought….. oooh gotta check out the men in here…… people go in the bathroom, do their business and get out…. my word.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=774531059 Stephanie Ann Treadwell

    and if she didn’t have a penis because she decided to go through with gender reassignment surgery someday????????  Would this make a difference to you?! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=774531059 Stephanie Ann Treadwell

    I agree with you 100%

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=774531059 Stephanie Ann Treadwell

    How about you stop focusing on the what ifs…. what if she likes girls… what if she likes boys…. we don’t know, its not your concern. Your not a lawmaker or on the school board…. so get a hobby.

  • Anonymous

    You’re kidding, I hope… Left-handedness originates in the brain. One is born left-handed. My mother’s left-handedness was “corrected,” much to her detriment. 

  • Anonymous

    Interesting article on gender as a continuum: http://counselingoutfitters.com/Reicherzer.htm  

    Though most people are clearly male or female, both in terms of their body and their brain, numerous individuals fall between these two areas. As has been noted elsewhere in these Comments, some babies are born with both male and female sex organs (hermaphrodites). Similarly, some babies are born with a blend of male and female brain characteristics (to put it simplistically), some are born gay or Lesbian, and others are born with physical gender characteristics at variance with their brain wiring.They’re all people and deserving of our respect. They’re not defective, just different. They’re not this way simply to make others uncomfortable. 

  • Anonymous

    I was thinking along the same lines, OW - why not unisex bathrooms!   I guess that solution would be too easy!  Some people just thrive on conflict & drama!!!

  • Anonymous

    You have a weird way of writing that makes your posting look like a comic book character’s dialogue balloon.  Why are you using all those question marks, capital letters, repeating letters, and periods?

  • Anonymous

    How about you adopting a standard English writing style without all those …..

  • Anonymous

    How about you adopting a standard English writing style without all those …..

  • Anonymous

    This story is a twisted tale indeed. Clearly, there is no concern about the probable violation of the rights of all of the other little girls (and their parents) to be warned that they are using a bathroom with, and potentially exposing themselves to, a gender correct “boy” that claims to believe he is a “girl.” These uninformed little girls will someday have a potential claim of sexual psychological abuse against all of the adults, including the school system and any of their own parents, who knowingly allowed this to be done to them.

    I am not denouncing the little “boy” who is caught up in this complex identity crisis, but I am saying that the “adults” involved in this dilemma are placing the questionable rights of one child above the unquestionable rights of many other children. Who’s going to, sympathetically, listen to the potential psychological nightmares of the unknowing little girls when they conclude that their welfare didn‘t matter to the adults responsible for protecting them?

  • Anonymous

    This story is a twisted tale indeed. Clearly, there is no concern about the probable violation of the rights of all of the other little girls (and their parents) to be warned that they are using a bathroom with, and potentially exposing themselves to, a gender correct “boy” that claims to believe he is a “girl.” These uninformed little girls will someday have a potential claim of sexual psychological abuse against all of the adults, including the school system and any of their own parents, who knowingly allowed this to be done to them.

    I am not denouncing the little “boy” who is caught up in this complex identity crisis, but I am saying that the “adults” involved in this dilemma are placing the questionable rights of one child above the unquestionable rights of many other children. Who’s going to, sympathetically, listen to the potential psychological nightmares of the unknowing little girls when they conclude that their welfare didn‘t matter to the adults responsible for protecting them?

  • Anonymous

    This story is a twisted tale indeed. Clearly, there is no concern about the probable violation of the rights of all of the other little girls (and their parents) to be warned that they are using a bathroom with, and potentially exposing themselves to, a gender correct “boy” that claims to believe he is a “girl.” These uninformed little girls will someday have a potential claim of sexual psychological abuse against all of the adults, including the school system and any of their own parents, who knowingly allowed this to be done to them.

    I am not denouncing the little “boy” who is caught up in this complex identity crisis, but I am saying that the “adults” involved in this dilemma are placing the questionable rights of one child above the unquestionable rights of many other children. Who’s going to, sympathetically, listen to the potential psychological nightmares of the unknowing little girls when they conclude that their welfare didn‘t matter to the adults responsible for protecting them?

  • Anonymous

    There you go again – all those ???????? and a ?! for good measure.  Are you stalking me?

  • Lazy Jay

    I am impressed by your arrogance in speaking of behalf of “all the other female students”, whose opinions you do not know, and have not asked for.
    That a trans girl should use the girls’ bathroom isn’t oppressing anybody. Being trans isn’t infectious, and we do not go around wilfully molesting other people as a rule.
    However, there is one thing every trans person knows instinctively: what’s between your legs does not define you as a person. It would be nice if other people remembered that occasionally.

  • Anonymous

    And if Nicole has a penis and identifies with being a female, she’s a lesbian, but I hasten to add that we don’t know what her sexual orientation is.  It’s not something mentioned in the news article.  Your comment is informativel and consistent with some other information posted today.

  • Lazy Jay

    Hermaphroditism, aka intersex, is not the same as transgender. An XY male can also be born without a penis, or one so small it might a well not be there.
    Barking up the wrong tree with that one, although the problem of gender identity for intersex people does highlight the whole thing. 

  • Lazy Jay

    I’m not attacking anybody, I’d just like to point out that as a trans person, being called ‘disordered’ for being trans is very hurtful. I feel fine about who I am, to a great extent it’s Society’s perception of me that’s wrong because I don’t fit the gender role it wants to assign to me. We’re trying to get GID removed from the next version of the DSM, just as homosexuality was removed from it previously.
    Just to be quite clear, I do admit to suffering from a genuine personality disorder: cyclothymia. How much of that stems from the struggle to try and force my gender identity to match my genitalia (with no help, because there was no-one to talk to. I didn’t even know what transgender was) I have no idea. I suspect there is a link, though.

    So yes, I am disordered. But not because I’m trans. I refuse to think of that girl as disordered.

  • Anonymous

    The article we’re commenting about.  It says the child has a gender identity disorder.  Someone who has a disorder is disordered.  Disordered means marked by a disorder, not functioning in a normal healthy way.

    Can you understand that?

  • Anonymous

    Fine, and I don’t take your comment as an attack.

  • Lazy Jay

    “ I see it for what it realy is… A LIE…”
    No, trying desperately to appear to be something you’re not and is alien to your nature is a lie. Conforming to society’s views is what is forced on us, and that’s not just LGBT folk. Those who still expect a woman to be subservient to, and dependent on, her husband are also forcing others to live a lie.
    By the way, spelling is not an illusion.

  • Lazy Jay

    “ I see it for what it realy is… A LIE…”
    No, trying desperately to appear to be something you’re not and is alien to your nature is a lie. Conforming to society’s views is what is forced on us, and that’s not just LGBT folk. Those who still expect a woman to be subservient to, and dependent on, her husband are also forcing others to live a lie.
    By the way, spelling is not an illusion.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WUXQMOMFW26EODLA7I3WZLSNPM Jeff C

    Maybe you live in a world in which a parent will CORRECT a child’s behavior. I do NOT.  I would call that North Korea, or maybe early day Russia.  A person has a right to be whoever they want to be and you should not only be ashamed of yourself for your comment, but so should those 66 people that liked it..All church going folk i am sure.  Isnt it funny that you never hear anyone discriminating against someone that wants to go to church and live a way of life but you certainly always hear from them when they dont like how others live.  As for the lawsuit, it seemed that the school did try to help the situation.  I truly hope the parents are making this a national agenda to get thier names in the headlines.  My only concern at all is for the transgender youth.  Its seems others on this post board would rather speak nonsense or politics once again.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, well maybe gender identification correction would be to affected peoples’ detriment (my real point).

  • Anonymous

    Having never used a ‘female’s restroom’, I need to ask, is it common practice in those restrooms to identify other users’ genitalia?   Isn’t that a little uncomfortable?  Is that why the lines are so long? 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    Most countries have gender neutral bathrooms. It is America that is so hung up on it. Kids dont care. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    How would they know. We dont have urinals. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    How would they know. We dont have urinals. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZSBAAXFEXTIBDSRA5X3FA6TSG4 jersey

    Actually it was fine until the boys grandfather complained. I have to wonder. Why was this boy living with his grandfather and where are his parents? Sounds like a little dysfunction to me. The family of the trans child sounds much more healthy. 

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I can understand that, and have to admit that by the end of the article I had forgotten or missed where it was called a disorder.  I sincerely thank you for bringing this to my attention.  I am certainly not qualified to decide what is a disorder and what is not, but my concern is that people so affected should be treated with humanity and compassion. 

    For many, this is an emotional issue and people often deride or discount what they don’t understand; it’s their way or the highway.  People don’t choose to be ‘disordered’ or different; as stated in an earlier post, left-handedness was once considered a disorder and, as another poster pointed out, left-handed people were often damaged psychologically and emotionally, if not spiritually, when society decided they  needed to be ‘fixed’.

  • Anonymous

    No girls complained in Orono, nor did their parents.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=774531059 Stephanie Ann Treadwell

    mature.

  • Anonymous

    Orono wasn’t “stealth” and what would you expect from unknowing little girls and boys?

  • Anonymous

    Don’t assume you are the only one that has used those gender neutral bathrooms (I probably used them long before you were born). I prefer America and its ways – that’s why I continue to live here and enjoy it.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent comments!!

  • Anonymous

    I think her points are very well taken, so what about a person’s individual writing “style”?  I have seen other posters write in a similar style.

  • Anonymous

    In regard to this article, maybe providing separate private bathrooms in school would be helpful. I doubt that this young child is causing any problems with any other children. The child was born this way.

  • Anonymous

    In regard to this article, maybe providing separate private bathrooms in school would be helpful. I doubt that this young child is causing any problems with any other children. The child was born this way.

  • Anonymous

    In regard to this article, maybe providing separate private bathrooms in school would be helpful. I doubt that this young child is causing any problems with any other children. The child was born this way.

  • Anonymous

    Selective discrimination (certain churches and faiths are all right according to them and demonize others. )  So blatantly hypocritical.

  • Anonymous

    Spelling is really a good skill to have.  It makes what one writes hold more weight.

  • Anonymous

    Your lack of knowledge and condemning tone is really quite off-putting and very uncommendable.

  • Anonymous

    Wish I could triple like that comment!

  • Anonymous

    God loves them just as he loves all of us.

    God especially loves the children.

    It is more important to love God with all your heart and try to follow him than to be perfect. We all miss the mark and can never compare to God.

    Talk to God in prayer and have a relationship with him, talk to him before you call your friends or family to complain and expect that they can help with your problems. Talk to the Source first, he can do anything for any of us.

  • Anonymous

    I HAVE TO DISAGREE. ONLY BECAUSE RECENTLY THE NEWS RELEASED A BOY WHO WAS STRAIGHT AND BEING SEXUALLY HARASSED BY A GAY BOY IN HIS CLASS. THE BOY WAS RELENTLESS AND EVERYDAY ASKED HIM TO BE HIS “VALENTINE”. THE STRAIGHT KID HAD ENOUGH, NO ONE WOULD PROTECT HIM OR TAKE HIM SERIOUS, AND HE KILLED THE GAY KID. HE WAS LIKE 13 WHEN IT HAPPENED AND HAS BEEN  IN JAIL SINCE. HE IS NOW 17 AND BEING TRIED AS AN ADULT. SAD… 

  • Anonymous

    well said.

  • Anonymous

    Wow I read most of the comments, but got stressed reading some of them. 
    I too am transgendered but cannot  live as I have always felt. Growing up was hard in the 60s no internet and I thought I was the only one in the whole world that felt like this. I always dressed as I felt in private but never when ones I knew were around. Rest rooms (boys rest rooms) were hard as a boy not because of any weird sexual interest. I always wished I was like all the other boys in my class, but I knew I was different but could not understand why. (I did very much dislike a gay fellow in boy scouts. I could  not identify with the gay people. )I tried to be “normal” with girls as that is what was expected, but I never was really successful. I’m not talking about sexually what I mean is the girls I wanted to have as a “girl friend” would say they viewed me a a good friend that they very much liked being with,but not as a boy friend. I seemed always to be viewed as a girlfriend and this was hard as I was trying so hard to be what everyone thought I was….. I am not trying to give any answers, just my experience, I wish my parents where like Nicole’s. If my father ever found out how I really felt I am sure it would have been very bad for me.  That is one reason why I tried so hard to hid what I was and howI felt.Oh well just a personal comment, not to any of your comments, maybe I am still trying to understand me. Boy or Girl??????????????Always have been a girl inside, at heart, even looked quite feminine, but…..

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    Sad? No, I don’t care who’s flirting with who, murder is not a solution. You think men don’t do this stuff to women all the time? That’s why domestic violence is such a problem. You just latched onto the fact this kid happened to be gay.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Lachowicz/100000535475609 Edward Lachowicz

    I’m pro-equality, and it could be argued that GID compared to other mental health disorders is a defect in the literal sense. Largely because something happened in development that caused the person to be born the incorrect gender, requiring a change or another form of adaptation. However, “defective” as used in this thread is an insult at best.

  • Anonymous

    Wow I read most of the comments, but got stressed reading some of them. I too am transgendered but cannot  live as I have always felt. Growing up was hard in the 60s no internet and I thought I was the only one in the whole world that felt like this. I always dressed as I felt in private but never when ones I knew were around. Rest rooms (boys rest rooms) were hard as a boy not because of any weird sexual interest. I always wished I was like all the other boys in my class, but I knew I was different but could not understand why. (I did very much dislike a gay fellow in boy scouts. I could  not identify with the gay people. )I tried to be “normal” with girls as that is what was expected, but I never was really successful. I’m not talking about sexually what I mean is the girls I wanted to have as a “girl friend” would say they viewed me a a good friend that they very much liked being with,but not as a boy friend. I seemed always to be viewed as a girlfriend and this was hard as I was trying so hard to be what everyone thought I was….. I am not trying to give any answers, just my experience, I wish my parents were like Nicole’s. If my father ever found out how I really felt I am sure it would have been very bad for me.  That is one reason why I tried so hard to hid what I was and howI felt.Oh well just a personal comment, not to any of your comments, maybe I am still trying to understand me. Boy or Girl??????????????Always have been a girl inside, at heart, even looked quite feminine, but…..

  • Anonymous

    What I don’t understand is why a male student and his grandfather would complain about such a thing.  Have there been any complaints from female students or their families?

  • Anonymous
  • OldWench

    It’s not about thriving on conflict and drama…it’s really just about wanting to really be equal and accepted for who you are.  Solvable issues such as this (through unisex bathrooms) are made a bigger issue because of the lack of equality and acceptance in other areas.  It just magnifies the other, bigger injustices.  If society truly accepted those who are different without prejudice and fighting to prevent equality in issues like same sex marriage then there would be more of a willingness to address the smaller issues in a more pragmatic way.  Most kids would probably rather use a private unisex bathroom anyhow, at least if they are in there to actually USE the bathroom and not just visit with classmates. :)

  • OldWench

    Of course the rights of the other girls matter.  What I find interesting about this case is that it was a male bully with an obnoxious grandparent who were in no way impacted by the bathroom issue that caused all the problems.  

    The LGBT community would be more open to compromise in regards to the rights of heterosexual people IF they were treated as equals on the big issues…like same sex marriage.  These other battles are really about being as loud and annoying about as many issues as possible until they get real equality on the big issues.  Honestly, how can you expect a group of people to respect how your children feel about this bathroom issue if you don’t care that their children are being denied the legal rights and protections state and federally recognized marriage will provide them?  There really isn’t a difference.  I’m just wondering when everyone will be mature enough to meet each other half way.

  • OldWench

    Traditional treatment for GIDs would be focused on helping those with GID learn to better manage their thoughts, feelings and perhaps behavior in a way that is more consistent with whatever THEIR goals and preferred outcome happens to be.  More often than not where GID is concerned it’s usually more focused on how to deal with society’s reaction to the GID and the impact that has on the person.  Suffice to say…if society were more tolerant and accepting of people who are different and valued the equal rights of ALL people then those with GID would require far less therapy.

  • OldWench

    Medically speaking, GID could certainly be considered a physiological defect much in the way having diabetes, Epilepsy or any other condition that can be diagnosed would be.  That doesn’t mean the PERSON is defective…only that something about them just doesn’t work they way it usually does for a medical reason.  In order to have a productive discussion on these kinds of issues you can’t go to extremes with political correctness because that just shuts down conversation.  Conversation needs to occur in order to initiate positive change.  You can’t in one breathe say “this person was born different and can’t control this,” and then in the next breathe insist that this person is completely normal.  It’s okay to have something going on with you that makes you a bit different.  It’s not okay to steamroll the conversation by stifling it by sending mixed messages.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LGVK2XCOMQ2YDA3ULFDYJCZYKM TheSmartestOne

    Am I the only one who thinks that it is weird that it was the parents who “discovered” that Wyatt was actually a girl trapped in a girls body because he played with “girls” toys and identified with the girl when playing with his brother. My youngest sister, by this logic, is also a transgender person, because when playing with her older sister she is always the boy.  She also likes to play with some boy toys.  And she likes to keep her hair cut long.  COME ON PEOPLE!!!  Like the above comments state so eloquently, it is the adults that make a big deal out of these things, not the kids.  Do you think that if Wyatt’s parents had not made it their “business to educate everyone about transgender kids,” and have  “get-to-know-you parties for neighborhood kids and
    classmates and their parents” that poor little Wyatt would have gone up to his teacher one day and said…”I’m a girl-boy”?  Maybe it “made perfect sense” to him because he was brainwashed by his parents.

  • Anonymous

     And while we’re at it, why not a GID drinking fountain?  And make them sit in the back of the bus? 

  • Anonymous

    Too bad your parents hadn’t sought a cure for your ignorance.

  • Anonymous

    Now I get it! Conservatives want our public restrooms to be strictly sex-segregated because they want to be sure that they know what they’re getting into when practicing their “wide stances!”

  • Anonymous

    I am puzzled at what issue you think there is here, then.

  • Anonymous

    I can choose to believe the parents, who have lived with this situation for years… Or I can listen to you, whose opinion is based on 15 minutes of consideration of this story. I think the parents might have a better idea of what is really going on.

  • Anonymous

    I can choose to believe the parents, who have lived with this situation for years… Or I can listen to you, whose opinion is based on 15 minutes of consideration of this story. I think the parents might have a better idea of what is really going on.

  • Anonymous

    so the girls in the bathroom have no rights, just wyatt

  • Anonymous

    i wonder why my comments are not on here anymore

  • http://www.facebook.com/johnmkahlerii John Kahler

    I am the father of a 10-year old male to female transgender daughter.  Fortunately, our school’s bathroom is single-use for everyone, so it was never an issue for my daughter.  I have never understood why this bathroom issue is such a big deal for people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=48101541 אריקה שירה

    Do you know what genitals most of your friends and family and coworkers have? Of course you don’t. You read their gender from things like name, clothing, grooming, speech, etc. We only know that this young woman is trans because the story has pointed that out.

    Most of us know many many people who are transgender and don’t know that about them. There are likely many people you interact with every day who have different genitalia than you’d assume. But unless you’re having sex with them, parenting them, or you’re their doctor, you have no need to know about or think about their genitalia

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=48101541 אריקה שירה

     Yeah, agreed regarding the meanness.

    I just want to point out from a disability rights POV that people don’t need to shun all language that suggests disability or difference. A disability just means that you’re different from how society expects, and as such, both you and society do some adapting. Rather than not using disability language, we need to adjust out attitudes so that we don’t read “disability” as “something wrong with you” but rather as “something that society needs to accommodate.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=48101541 אריקה שירה

    Gender is in the brain too. I’ve felt female all my life. I was lucky in that I started out with the genitalia and chromosomes that led other people to call me female too and to buy me female things and teach me to express myself as female.

    Imagine how I’d have felt if people were calling me “he” all through childhood? I’d have been really upset and confused, and I’ve have been begging them to call me “she” and express myself as a female.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    It would help your cause if you could actually READ, it is 135 “likes”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=48101541 אריקה שירה

    How about if the school didn’t make a big deal of it and make her use a staff bathroom? Bullying usually happens when people pick up on some sort of message from authority that it’s tolerated. If this young woman is being shadowed by staff all the time, of COURSE kids are going to get the message that she can’t be trusted, can’t look out for herself, isn’t independent, etc., and the bullies are going to see her as less-than and feel she’s OK to target.

    The bullies are the ones who need to get some counseling and some supervision, rather than the schools sending the message that the victim is the one whose freedom should be limited.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=48101541 אריקה שירה

    How about if the school didn’t make a big deal of it and make her use a staff bathroom? Bullying usually happens when people pick up on some sort of message from authority that it’s tolerated. If this young woman is being shadowed by staff all the time, of COURSE kids are going to get the message that she can’t be trusted, can’t look out for herself, isn’t independent, etc., and the bullies are going to see her as less-than and feel she’s OK to target.

    The bullies are the ones who need to get some counseling and some supervision, rather than the schools sending the message that the victim is the one whose freedom should be limited.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=48101541 אריקה שירה

     You know, the signs on the bathrooms don’t actually bar people of any gender from entering if they DID have a desire to peek or to prey on people. And bathrooms are used every day by people with all different genders, and really, not a whole lot goes on in them. I know that when I use the bathroom, I don’t go peeking around in the stalls to see whose in there and what genitalia they have. I pee, then I wash my hands, then I leave. I’m guessing that’s all this young woman wants to do too.

  • Anonymous

    Charlotte, I am in 100% agreement with you.  No one ostracizes people with congenital heart defects or Type 1 diabetes, both deviations from the ‘norm’ of average human body development.  I made the same point as your first paragraph earlier.  I also don’t understand why, even though it’s beyond the individual’s control, that people don’t have more tolerance and understanding.  A mental ‘disorder’ is no different than any other organ’s disorder, so why the stigma is so bad, i don’t know.  It’s as if people think because it’s the brain that they can control it by will.  In this case, I don’t know how we can argue with the fact that a 3-year-old is making these choices.  I don’t know how many of you out there have had children, but I know that even when mine were very little they were influenced by television and other children’s gender roles.  What they see in the world influences how they behave.  Watch any commercial and you won’t see girls in Transformer toys ones or little boys in Barbie ones.  So why a small ‘boy’ would want dolls and such would not be a conscious decision, if you ask me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=48101541 אריקה שירה

    What right do other female students have? The right to know what genitals every student in the school has and the right to police which genitals may and may not be in an adjacent stall to her? Absolutely ridiculous. Are you one of those people who thinks that same-sex marriages affect straight marriages too?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    Learn about issues before you chime in with your ignorance

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    Learn about issues before you chime in with your ignorance

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    Learn about issues before you chime in with your ignorance

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    Learn about issues before you chime in with your ignorance

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    Learn about issues before you chime in with your ignorance

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    Learn about issues before you chime in with your ignorance

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    On sensitive stories such as this one it is very easy for comments to get out of control, so we’re very strict about removing comments that violate the guidelines by SHOUTING!!!, swearing, picking on people, etc.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LGVK2XCOMQ2YDA3ULFDYJCZYKM TheSmartestOne

    If this story did not fit perfectly into my worldview that it is the parents, not the three year old who has an issue then I would totally agree with you.  Like so many people say on here, who in their right mind would consciously choose such a personally destructive path?  Are you telling me that you have never heard of Munchausen Syndrome?  I was just talking to my wife about this article and she pointed out that she too played the boy when her and her sister played.  What is the difference between my sisters, my wife, and this poor boy? A loving CHRISTIAN home would be my first guess.
    Just to put things into perspective a little…
    When I was born my mother was 15 years old.  Obviously she was a horrible parent.  I was eventually taken out of her custody when I was four years old.  Not until over 50 allegations of sexual, emotional, and physical abuse, as well as severe neglect, were reported to DHS by such people as grandparents, cousins, neighbors, and even a nurse who reported that I was unattended in my crib and blue in the face at a regular “wellness check”.  
    Fast forward six years, and I am adopted by an apparently loving family.  1997.  Grand year.  Fast forward 4 years to November of 2001.  
    One morning in late November my adopted mom walked out on my adopted dad.  
    My mom, my two little sisters and I all moved out together and I tried to kill myself more than once over the next several years.  Now here is the key part.  I struggled with thoughts of homosexuality, and I experimented with other men.  This was not because I was genetically programmed to be gay, but because I was seeking a strong male in my life.  Now before you say that I am just parroting back psychobabble nonsense I need to make abundantly clear that when I approached my therapists about this situation, they had no problem with homosexuality and encouraged me to follow what I felt was right.  I realized that I was young, experimenting, and seeking something that I would never find in a relationship with another man.  Because I have struggled with this I am able to look at homosexuals as people who are hurting, just like everyone else, and not as slime.  I am a true Christian in that I do my best to show love to everyone around me regardless of anything.  That does not mean that all behavior is okay or acceptable to God.  I challenge anyone who reads this to tell me their story of how they grew up in a home with two loving parents their whole lives, and ended up being homosexual, transgender, etc.  I am asking this legitimately because I have spent years talking to people about this topic and have brought up my theory about the parents, and not one person has been able to refute me with personal evidence, or even hearsay. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/LGVK2XCOMQ2YDA3ULFDYJCZYKM TheSmartestOne

    If this story did not fit perfectly into my worldview that it is the parents, not the three year old who has an issue then I would totally agree with you.  Like so many people say on here, who in their right mind would consciously choose such a personally destructive path?  Are you telling me that you have never heard of Munchausen Syndrome?  I was just talking to my wife about this article and she pointed out that she too played the boy when her and her sister played.  What is the difference between my sisters, my wife, and this poor boy? A loving CHRISTIAN home would be my first guess.
    Just to put things into perspective a little…
    When I was born my mother was 15 years old.  Obviously she was a horrible parent.  I was eventually taken out of her custody when I was four years old.  Not until over 50 allegations of sexual, emotional, and physical abuse, as well as severe neglect, were reported to DHS by such people as grandparents, cousins, neighbors, and even a nurse who reported that I was unattended in my crib and blue in the face at a regular “wellness check”.  
    Fast forward six years, and I am adopted by an apparently loving family.  1997.  Grand year.  Fast forward 4 years to November of 2001.  
    One morning in late November my adopted mom walked out on my adopted dad.  
    My mom, my two little sisters and I all moved out together and I tried to kill myself more than once over the next several years.  Now here is the key part.  I struggled with thoughts of homosexuality, and I experimented with other men.  This was not because I was genetically programmed to be gay, but because I was seeking a strong male in my life.  Now before you say that I am just parroting back psychobabble nonsense I need to make abundantly clear that when I approached my therapists about this situation, they had no problem with homosexuality and encouraged me to follow what I felt was right.  I realized that I was young, experimenting, and seeking something that I would never find in a relationship with another man.  Because I have struggled with this I am able to look at homosexuals as people who are hurting, just like everyone else, and not as slime.  I am a true Christian in that I do my best to show love to everyone around me regardless of anything.  That does not mean that all behavior is okay or acceptable to God.  I challenge anyone who reads this to tell me their story of how they grew up in a home with two loving parents their whole lives, and ended up being homosexual, transgender, etc.  I am asking this legitimately because I have spent years talking to people about this topic and have brought up my theory about the parents, and not one person has been able to refute me with personal evidence, or even hearsay. 

  • Anonymous

    Paul Melanson is a small minded bigot….

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    Your name should be Soapbox not bandbox……..

  • Anonymous

    I don’t disagree with you when it comes to genitalia, but I’m not sure why you’re comment is in response to what I have said. 

  • Anonymous

    I agree with you 100%. This is just a crazy situation.

  • Anonymous

    Nope, it’s actually 138 . . . and counting.

  • Anonymous

    Nope, it’s actually 138 . . . and counting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    If you truly understood what the article is discussing, it would be amazing …The article is about GID  ”Gender” Identity Disorder, not sex-identity disorder.
    Gender is in the mind and sex is between your legs.

    Please know what you are talking about before you comment…………

  • Anonymous

    Well, I don’t go peeking around the stalls either, and I could care less about other’s genitalia.  However, not everyone feels that way, and I’m not going to dismiss out of hand the concerns of parents of young children and school administrators about the issues raised in this article.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    Good question…..

  • Anonymous

    The bathrooms in all the homes I’ve lived in were gender neutral.  I don’t know, but I suspect that the ‘bathrooms’ in the old schoolhouses were also gender neutral (and cold in the winter).

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    You would not know about it because you didn’t read it here…

  • Anonymous

    I believe the name is now legally Nicole. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    What would YOU do pull up their skirts or pull down their pants to make sure. grow up and come into the 21st century “lavatory” the last time I heard that was in elementary school…

  • Anonymous

    I wonder why they chose one twin to ‘brainwash’ and presumably left the other alone.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    It is Transphobia in this case…

  • Anonymous

    Censors have their own biases, preferences, and opinions of what constitutes, swearing, picking on people, etc., and  I believe that a censor is more apt to strike a comment if he disagrees with the view it expresses or if it is contrary to the opinions of his newspaper.  It’s subjective.  However, it is the BDN”s website and they can say or remove anything they want. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001509881423 Michelle Sayles

    Why cant you just say Nicole, that is her name. After all she is a human being and not a thing…

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