DIDN'T EXPECT THAT

Much of building remains after planned implosion at Loring

Posted Aug. 13, 2011, at 2:03 p.m.
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Jennifer Gregor, operations manager with Engineered Products of Maine walks away from Saturday's implosion site at the old heat plant on the Loring Air Force Base. Two hundred and ninety pounds of dynamite was used to touch off what should have been the largest planned explosion in the state's history. However, when the dust settled, most of the building — though heavily damaged — was still standing. "We are evaluating the situation," Gregor said.
Jennifer Gregor, operations manager with Engineered Products of Maine walks away from Saturday's implosion site at the old heat plant on the Loring Air Force Base. Two hundred and ninety pounds of dynamite was used to touch off what should have been the largest planned explosion in the state's history. However, when the dust settled, most of the building — though heavily damaged — was still standing. "We are evaluating the situation," Gregor said.
Much of the 64-year-old heat plant at Loring Air Force Base remained after a planned implosion failed to bring down the entire building Saturday.
Much of the 64-year-old heat plant at Loring Air Force Base remained after a planned implosion failed to bring down the entire building Saturday.
Much of the 64-year-old heat plant at Loring Air Force Base remained after a planned implosion failed to bring down the entire building Saturday.
Much of the 64-year-old heat plant at Loring Air Force Base remained after a planned implosion failed to bring down the entire building Saturday.
Much of the 64-year-old heat plant at Loring Air Force Base remained after a planned implosion failed to bring down the entire building Saturday.
Much of the 64-year-old heat plant at Loring Air Force Base remained after a planned implosion failed to bring down the entire building Saturday.
Much of the 64-year-old heat plant at Loring Air Force Base remained after a planned implosion failed to bring down the entire building Saturday.
Much of the 64-year-old heat plant at Loring Air Force Base remained after a planned implosion failed to bring down the entire building Saturday.
Much of the 64-year-old heat plant at Loring Air Force Base remained after a planned implosion failed to bring down the entire building Saturday.
Much of the 64-year-old heat plant at Loring Air Force Base remained after a planned implosion failed to bring down the entire building Saturday.

LIMESTONE, Maine — In a perfect world, Jennifer Gregor, operations manager and marketing coordinator for Engineered Products Co. Inc. said Saturday afternoon, the 64-year-old heat plant at the former Loring Air Force Base would have been reduced to a pile of rubble by 11:05 a.m.

But that is not what happened, and project officials behind the controlled building implosion said Saturday evening that despite the fact that the company that placed the explosive charges used a higher than normal amount because of the number of steel beams and columns in the building, it was still not enough to level the plant.

“Unfortunately, the results were not what we anticipated,” Gregor said Saturday evening.

“This weekend, we will be formulating a plan to take down the remainder of the building, and we will begin doing that next week. The plan will not include more explosives.”

The event was touted by Portland-based Engineered Products as the largest implosion ever in the state, It was supposed to take just six seconds for officials to bring down the structure. After the implosion was conducted and the cloud of dust that came after settled, however, much of the building remained standing and several members of the crowd were asking if there was going to be a second explosion.

Approximately 300 people crowded onto the former base, which is now known as the Loring Commerce Centre, for the 11 a.m. demolition ceremony. Onlookers were handed informational sheets prepared by Engineered Products welcoming them to what they called the “Maine Event.” Most of them were clutching video and digital cameras, and several said they planned to post the videos on social networking sites and on YouTube.

The public was sheltered under a tented viewing stand 1,200-feet from the blast zone.

In a controlled building implosion, large structures are turned into a pile of rubble through a series of timed and carefully placed explosive charges which drop the building straight down without damaging any nearby structures. Precision Explosives, the company in charge of placing the charges, used 290 pounds of dynamite with 105 blasting caps.

“We talked extensively with officials from Precision Explosives,” said Gregor. “They told us that they likely would need to use more charges simply because this was such a strong building.”

Officials had said that viewers would see the collapse of the building’s five smoke stacks, followed by the sight of the building itself falling away in a huge cloud of dust. The tallest smoke stack was 230 feet.

On Saturday, three of the smoke stacks fell away, and some of the building crumbled. A portion of the back and sides of the building gave way, but the majority of the structure remained standing. Even some of the windows in the old plant were unbroken.

It was the biggest demolition project ever for Engineered Products, according to company officials, although the company has been involved with similar projects throughout the state and along the East Coast.

The heat plant is a sealed building constructed of steel support beams. Crews started prepping the building for the explosion approximately six weeks ago, removing all hazardous material and cutting the steel for the installation of the shaped charges that directed the building to fall in the designated direction. The nearest occupied building to the old heat plant was 1,000 feet away.

The heat plant was shut down in 1994. It provided coal-powered heat and hot water to more than 10,000 officers, airmen, dependents and civilians who lived and worked on the base over the years.

Loring BioEnergy, which has plans for developing new energy infrastructure on the site, currently owns the building.

Engineered Products is a demolition and concrete cutting company specializing in commercial and industrial demolition. The company, operating since 1975, hired locally for the steel cutting work inside the building and Precision Explosives brought in their own crew from New York.

Kim McLaughlin, who lives in Boston, Mass., grew up in central Aroostook County and decided to plan her summer visit around the implosion. Her twin boys, Conner and Carter, 12, are “science geeks,” she said before the implosion.

Carter McLaughlin said he planned to videotape the event and use it as part of a school science project when he returns to Massachusetts.

Much of the crowd lingered after the event, waiting to see if more blasting would take place.

Gregor eventually told the crowd that they were evaluating the situation and that nothing more would happen Saturday. She noted that she had been told by a few people in the crowd that the fact that the entire building didn’t implode was a testament to its strength and structural integrity. It was built in 1947 and functioned on the military base throughout the Cold War years.

“We think that the building was just built very soundly,” she said Saturday evening. “This was a military facility, and the building was constructed to withstand a bombing. But this is just something we are speculating about. No one has told us that.”

Mark Thibodeau, a Presque Isle resident, said he was “stunned” that the building didn’t fall down.

“Obviously, something went wrong somewhere,” he said after the implosion. “It looks like they didn’t calculate the amount of explosives correctly. I can’t believe it.”

James Henderson, a Caribou resident, agreed.

“I think we all saw that there was a miscalculation somewhere,” he said. “Old buildings that are more sound than this are successfully brought down all the time. From what I read, we were going to see the thing sort of cave in everywhere. That definitely didn’t happen. Still, I think a lot of people were glad they came out to see it. We watched a part of history disappear.”

Gregor said that she could not discuss the cost of the project. She said that it was funded by “private enterprise” and that no taxpayer funding was used. Gregor said officials would not know how much more it would cost to demolish the building now that the initial implosion failed until a solid plan for dismantling it is formulated.

Crews with wrecking balls and other equipment will begin dismantling the building, piece by piece, next week, according to Gregor.

Engineered Products will cut, process and remove all of the remaining steel once the building is down. After that happens, it will be sold for salvage. Officials estimated that it would take approximately two months to clear all of the debris away.

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  • Anonymous

    what part of a potential first strike target do they not understand? this base was designed to survive not be pretty. normal demolitions fail on most military buildings

  • Anonymous

    what part of a potential first strike target do they not understand? this base was designed to survive not be pretty. normal demolitions fail on most military buildings

  • Anonymous

    Looks like Loring BioEnergy is gonna be gittin’ a big refund. Wonder how much tax money went into this.

  • acadiashores

     I think you might be right.  Loring was built to withstand anything the Russians could throw at us.  It makes sense that it would be extra hard to demolish something as important as a heating structure.  Heat means life or death in Northern Maine so I am sure that was a crucial building on the old base.  It was likely fortified to the extreme.

  • Anonymous

    What a bunch of idiots.  A properly engineered demolition implosion requires months of study, planning, and…engineering.  Obviously, this company did none of that.  Not surprising given the people behind this venture.  They probably gave this job to the lowest bidder.  Now they’re going to blow the rest of their budget fixing their mistake.  Just wait and watch them abandon the whole thing.

  • Anonymous

    I have to agree on sentences 2,5,6 & 7

  • Anonymous

    Oh my, how embarrassing.  We didn’t use enough Boom-Boom…guess the profit margin on this one went straight into the red.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t tell me “we” paid for this?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000446487215 Dylan LaMothe

    Well if you watch most other implosion you see that u have the dynimate go off seprate like with 1 secound apart, “boom, boom, boom, boom,” then the building falls like taking 2 legs off a table then the other 2. at loring all the dynamite all went off at once “BANG” so its like talking all 4 legs off a  tabel at once making it fall straight down not falling

    my video is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8RFUfmt5Xo

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1615793369 John F DeFelice

    I was there and it was interesting. It certainly shook the ground. Occasionally implosions fail. Lets just say we build things better in the county than they expected. All I know is that the structure is far more unstable now. That means if another implosion is planned it will be very dangerous prep work for any crew working in there. Maybe its time for the wrecking ball instead.

  • Anonymous

    Gotta hand it to the US Air Force. We build things to last….or withstand a hit. Not nuclear mind you, and most folks don’t know that all US Air Force B-52 bases were on the ruskies first strike list, which included Loring.
    Ain’t we glad we were bad!

  • Anonymous

    here’s my video from the implosion… guess it’s like most others… same result! hahah

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQLHw6xPkPs&hd=1

  • Anonymous

    Kudos to Jen Lynds and Julia B. for the fantastic video and the
    photographs. Watching that video, I felt like I was there! Obviously,
    people miscalculated terribly! I am just glad undercharged it instead of
    overcharged it — someone could have been hurt.

  • http://twitter.com/joncob Jon Coburn

    EPIC FAIL!

  • PaulNotBunyan

    More likely, there will be no refund but Engineered Products has to finish the job even if they lose money doing so.

  • Anonymous

    Well poor journalism is not confined to the BDN.

    I just saw the WLBZ2/WCSH6 news report on this and “Reporter” John Zero (yes that was the name) at the end of his story said “the building stands as a reminder of a proud heritage of service at Fort Loring Air Force Base. In Limestone John Zero, Newscenter.”

    “Fort Loring Air Force Base”????

  • PaulNotBunyan

    I seem to recall a previous article stating that the detonation sequence was something like 8 seconds. That makes me wonder if some of the charges didn’t explode. If that’s the case, they have to guard the site until all charges are detonated or removed.

  • acadiashores

    I wonder if old John stopped to think that they were trying to demolish that reminder of proud heritage? lol

  • Anonymous

    Yes, WE paid for this…just like we paid to have much of Loring remodeled 6 months before it closed, just because the money was “In the budget”!  Flag poles, new bathrooms, new signs….it just went on and on….our hard earned tax money at work….what great leaders we have leading our country….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A4OKMY7ZUUUXTIPU2AJUYM3DHY Amazed

    I heard that too… LAFB was not a Fort!!  It was an Air Force Base not an Army Base!! lol

  • Anonymous

    They know not what they were doing bhahahah bahahhhh

  • Anonymous

    The building was likely over-engineered in it’s design so you are probably correct there. I don’t think the explosions detonated correctly. When doing this kind of implosion there are sequential firings established so that one portion  of the structure can be weakened before the rest. Then within seconds the rest will collapse on top of itself. Kind of like chopping a tree down. You create a wedge in the in cut to weaken one side and give it a directional path to fall. This one here really did look like it was designed to come completely down in one explosion. With a steel reinforced structure like this one was, oh wait it actually still is, then that set up could not work. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/jwstorm John White

    Jennifer Gregor should have probably had a meeting with George Bush before Saturday…

    Just saying!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jwstorm John White

    Jennifer Gregor should have probably had a meeting with George Bush before Saturday…

    Just saying!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jwstorm John White

    Jennifer Gregor should have probably had a meeting with George Bush before Saturday…

    Just saying!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jwstorm John White

    Jennifer Gregor should have probably had a meeting with George Bush before Saturday…

    Just saying!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jwstorm John White

    I think the number of people there watching was quite larger than 300?  Seemed like it anyway!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jwstorm John White

    I think the number of people there watching was quite larger than 300?  Seemed like it anyway!

  • http://www.facebook.com/susan.b.clark Sue

    You are right. After I read your post, I looked on You Tube for the implosion of a steel and brick structural building, the tallest building ever imploded, as a matter of fact. The company that did it has several views on the video, different angles, different levels and you can clearly see the individual explosions going off. Unlike this one, where they all went bang (or boom) at the same time, and it seems all on the same level. Someone really did screw it up.

    Anyone interested in seeing the video I mention, it’s at http://youtu.be/JP1HJoG-1Pg

  • Anonymous

    Thank God the County was on the map for something.

  • Anonymous

    I was 13 when the movie “War Games” came out. Loring was mentioned in the big “orld’s going to end” scene .Between that movie, and “The Day After”, thinking about Loring being  on the First Strike list scared the Bejeezus out of me.

  • Anonymous

    Jennifer had a blonde moment…LOLOLOLOLOL

  • Anonymous

    Jennifer had a blonde moment…LOLOLOLOLOL

  • Anonymous

    Jennifer had a blonde moment…LOLOLOLOLOL

  • Anonymous

    When you pay for 2nd rate that’s what you get.

  • Anonymous

    I loved that movie! Matthew Broderick and Ally Sheedy! I loved how frightened the “airman” at Loring Air Force Base sounded when he thought he was going to get nuked!

  • Anonymous

    The Aroostook BDN journalists don’t make such mistakes, jd2008jd — they are actually from The County. They’re not posers!

  • Anonymous

    The Aroostook BDN journalists don’t make such mistakes, jd2008jd — they are actually from The County. They’re not posers!

  • Anonymous

    Structural redundancy wins again!

  • Anonymous

    It’s Bush’s fault.

  • Anonymous

    If the company had done it’s homework they would have realized that almost all of the implosion contractors projects are failures. He shut down I-95 one time when he tried to blast a building in Rhode Island and he hasn’t gotten any better.

  • Anonymous

    I was on duty in 42nd SPS, Loring AFB, waiting at the armory in a police car for a first responder (i was to take them to the command post to get posted) after a klaxon recall….  there was an “elephant walk” so we all knew this klaxon appeared real…i remember just looking up to the heavens thinking the last thing i was going to see was a huge white flash! 
    http://www-ee.stanford.edu/~hellman/Breakthrough/book/chapters/borning.html
    On Tuesday, June 3, 1980, at 1:26 a.m., the display system at the command post of the Strategic Air Command (SAC) near Omaha, Nebraska, indicated that two submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) were headed toward the United States. (1) Eighteen seconds later, the system showed an increased number of SLBM launches. SAC personnel called the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), who stated that they had no indication of attack.The cause of these incidents was eventually traced to the failure of a single integrated circuit chip in a computer which was part of a communication system. To ensure that the communication system was working, it was constantly tested by sending filler messages which had the same form as attack messages, but with a zero filled in for the number of missiles detected. When the chip failed, the system started filling in random numbers for the “missiles detected” field      

  • Anonymous

    A couple bunker busters and whole lot of money saved.

  • Anonymous

    well at least it their mistake, their money, they are stuck with the cleanup 

  • Anonymous

    B.I.A. is also on the first strike list.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Todd-Foster/686645014 Todd Foster

    “Gregor said that she could not discuss the cost of the project. She said that it was funded by ‘private enterprise’ and that no taxpayer funding was used.”

  • Anonymous

    Congratulations to Ms.McLaughlin for raising a couple of science geeks.That is what we need in this country more than almost anything else.

  • Anonymous

    Stationed at that hell hole base for 2 winters in the 60′s, not surprised it’s not going down easy. Bunker busters idea was ingenious.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps they left out the thermite (and/or thermate – cuts heavy steel girders, reportedly like butter). Probably it’s expensive.

  • Anonymous

    I was stationed in Germany on a Pershing nuke launch crew when that happened. When the code for live fire came, i figured the world was done. Most don’t realize how close we came.
     That event made me decide the military was not the career for me.

  • Anonymous

    First, it is not BIA, the correct designation is BGR.
    Secondly, BGR is the former Dow AFB, which was a SAC base, and later purchased by the city of Bangor in 1968 becoming Bangor International Airport (BGR).
    And, Dow/Bgr was never a first strike target. It was a tertiary (third) strike target, which puts it way down the target list.
    The primary and only first strike target in Maine was Loring AFB, and in proximity, Pease AFB, NH.
    Since the end of the Cold War, the ruskies still have first strike targets in the US, however none are in Maine.

  • Anonymous

    It looks like Engineered Products will have a new posting for an ops. manager very soon.

  • Anonymous

    See what happens when you plan to use fake Helvetica in your video? lol.

  • Anonymous

    Looking at the footage I will almost guarantee you that there are unexploded charges still left in the building. Each stack should have been prepared identically so you know right then and there the charges didn’t go off. The implosion contractor will try to blame the explosives manufacturer. These shaped charges are manufactured to MILSPEC. They always go off. When they don’t it’s human error.
      LOL I remember when this same “blaster” tried to take down the Krueger Brewery in NJ. He ended up filling burlap bags with dynamite and hurling them into the structure like a satchel charge.  The State ended that real quickly

  • Anonymous

    Look on the bright side, at least nobody was killed or injured…….yet.  (I wouldn’t want to work inside a structurally unstable building. It can collapse with absolutely no warning)

  • Anonymous

    Um just because it’s FAA designation is BGR doesn’t mena that it’s name isn’t Bangor International Airport, and properly abbreviated BIA…. Some people think their are cool and use the FAA designation when the real name is more appropriate…
    As for your supposed knowledge of what is currently a first strike target, you need to spend less time on the internet…

  • Anonymous

    Wouldn’t you be kinda scared?

  • Anonymous

    Thermite burns, it doesn’t explode. It really doesn’t have much use in a controlled demolition like this…

    It will cut through most steel (if it has the proper mixture) but it would take a few seconds, not something that would be used in an operation like this.

    As for the “expense” it costs about $5 to make a couple pounds of the stuff, pretty darn cheap.

  • Anonymous

    My Wife and I were watching this movie first time in the Loring AFB theater. Should of heard the cheers for that poor ummm, ummm Senior Airman when they said Loring. I was also there during the time when we had two real alerts which turned out to be computer errors which walked a bunch of planes. Really made me stop and think!

  • Anonymous

    Loring should have hired the same crew that did WTC 1, 2 and 7.

  • Anonymous

    My thoughts exactly.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps they left out the thermite (and/or thermate – cuts heavy steel girders, reportedly like butter).
    ************************
    Nanothermite—but you’re right—it does cut like butter.

  • Anonymous

    Lol, its lepage’s fault!

  • Anonymous

    Next you’ll try to tell me there are no missile silos in Bangor. Also something to consider is the length of B.I.A.’s runway, and what it is capable of landing and departing from there. B.I.A. is also the closest major air strip to Europe. I wonder why most international flights are divert to B.I.A. when they are in trouble? Also I have never heard of the Concord landing in N.H.

  • Anonymous

    There’s other video on youtube here… bet you can’t guess how it ends? hahaha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQLHw6xPkPs&hd=1

  • Anonymous

    I’d bet this mess was the product of a lousy demolition team, long before I’d attribute it to some magical notion of US military superiority.  Keep in mind that the Army Engineers also built the levee in New Orleans, and we know what junk they turned out to be.

  • Anonymous

    I’d bet this mess was the product of a lousy demolition team, long before I’d attribute it to some magical notion of US military superiority.  Keep in mind that the Army Engineers also built the levee in New Orleans, and we know what junk they turned out to be.

  • Anonymous

    I’d bet this mess was the product of a lousy demolition team, long before I’d attribute it to some magical notion of US military superiority.  Keep in mind that the Army Engineers also built the levee in New Orleans, and we know what junk they turned out to be.

  • Anonymous

    Most of the buildings on that base should have been demolished when it was open.  I lived in one of them.  Half the barracks were condemed while I was there, and the one I lived in should have been. 

  • Anonymous

    Most of the buildings on that base should have been demolished when it was open.  I lived in one of them.  Half the barracks were condemed while I was there, and the one I lived in should have been. 

  • Anonymous

    This was quite the site. I have seen video of them taking down buildings in Ny, Vegas and Atlantic City. These were buildings many stories high, but I swear the heritage, and legacy she has seen made her stand tall. No one was taking it down that easy!! Way to go Limestone, Loring and Caribou people for making it so strong!! You bet they build them tough in the County!! From Loring AFB!! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A4OKMY7ZUUUXTIPU2AJUYM3DHY Amazed

    Most of the old barracks were torn down and new ones built before Loring closed. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A4OKMY7ZUUUXTIPU2AJUYM3DHY Amazed

    Precisely my thoughts as well.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A4OKMY7ZUUUXTIPU2AJUYM3DHY Amazed

    Can you imagine the asbestos flying around the demolition site?  Looks like the company didn’t plan for that either.  

  • Anonymous

    Let’s hope if they implode the Bangor Auditoium it goes a lot better than this.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUIXT576YMTFLNFILVGTI7XHBQ 70stillworking

    Boy, they sure lack things to do for excitement in Aroostook County. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NUIXT576YMTFLNFILVGTI7XHBQ 70stillworking

    What are you the competition?

  • AionNV

    The base was designed to survive a first strike ?  You’re joking, right ?

  • AionNV

    Exactly, as if a hundred pounds of explosive is even remotely comparable to an atomic warhead striking.  

  • AionNV

    He’s stated facts.  Have you anything to contribute ?

  • AionNV

    It may have already been removed.

  • Moose

    Thanks Collins and Snow for keeping Loring Air Force Base open. You both do a fine job. HA HA HA. You have so much pull in Washington its time to start your next career like 45 Oak St.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NNIZMC53H2WBMKRCGE4PVE7KCM Paul

    Army Post…Navy Bases…Marine Camps…Air Force Bases :)  LOL  I was stationed at Loring just before closing…Someday I want to make the journey back up…I think the hospital is still being used.  I used to work in the ER there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1830222079 Brett Kirschbaum

    lol  no no it is the tea party’s  fault

  • Anonymous

    Did all the charges detonate?

  • Anonymous

    So now what happens now?, …….. the charges go off while inspecting the building and trying to figure out what went wrong?

  • Anonymous

    the entire article is nothing but a defense of this lame company….. the proof is in the pudding… they failed to get the job done.

  • Anonymous

    This failed project was “funded by private enterprise”.
    Huhhhh ??
    Would love to hear a little more on that.

  • Anonymous

    This building still stands as a testament to the excellent engineering skills of those who originally built it.  Could possibly have been graduates of U of ME Engineering.  It would be interesting to know. 

  • Anonymous

    Think I saw a women there…From Miane no less UGGGH>>>>

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps they should have sought help from the politicians who have imploded our economy with some precision.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right, there are not now, nor were there ever “missle silos” in Bangor. The only missle site was, at one time, a Bomarc missle installation northwest of Bangor. The Bomarc missle was launched from either a hard stand launch rail or it could be launched from a transportable launch “trailer”.
    A missle “silo” as you incorrectly presume is one which is “in ground” from which Titan and Minuteman ICBM missles can be launched from. No such silos were ever installed in Maine.
    The runway at BGR is 15/33 and is 11440′ long. This was built by the US Air force to accomodate heavy bomber traffic if needed although none were stationed at Dow. The heaviest aircraft landing/taking off from BGR now are the C-17 Globemaster III and KC-135′s.
    When the Concord was still flying, occassionally it would land in BGR when diverted there due to weather in BOS. This was not a regular occurrance.
    If you care to continue, at least get your facts correct before making yourself look foolish.

  • Anonymous

    Some people?
    How about every single licensed pilot. We don’t consider it “cool” to use the correct airport designator, be it BGR, PQI, PWM, BOS the list goes on. And, just FYI, the real name is BGR, not BIA.
    And I don’t need the internet to justify the knowledge I already possess, unlike some folks.

  • Anonymous

    with all the money that’s spent on the military defense budget, It would be a good practice run for say , a couple of f16s with a few missile’s  to take that old structure down , that would be something to see ! 

  • Anonymous

    with all the money that’s spent on the military defense budget, It would be a good practice run for say , a couple of f16s with a few missile’s  to take that old structure down , that would be something to see ! 

  • Anonymous

    I have often wondered from pictures and I presume you can answer.  Is the 15/33 a way to describe the headings (meaning 150 and 330 degrees true)?

  • Anonymous

    I have often wondered from pictures and I presume you can answer.  Is the 15/33 a way to describe the headings (meaning 150 and 330 degrees true)?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TJYZV7JWWJCPG7BX65EM6UOHZ4 Skowhegan Resident

    jackarses in this state ,cant do anything right

  • Anonymous

    Too bad we could not have had some all-kainda radical militants fly some explosives into the structure.. just for practice don’t cha know.

  • Anonymous

    You are correct.
    All runways throughout the world are numbered according to compass headings, as in your comment. Pilots and ATC controllers drop the last zero when assigning a runway for take off or landing.
    Runway 1 (as in PQI Presque Isle) is compass heading 010, which continues thru heading 100 which would be runway 10. In pilot/ATC language the runways are spoken as one five/three three (BGR) or one zero, two zero etc. Runways are never spoken as fifteen or thirty three, etc.

  • Anonymous

    Interesting, thank you.  So runways are all oriented in ten degree incriments?  Meaning you would never see one with a heading of 135/315 degrees?  I am a mariner but have been always fascinated with aviation.

  • Anonymous

    You have to remember that it was built during the heighth of the Cold War when people were building bomb shelters in their back yard and they did bombing drills in schools.  People were very afraid of communist world domination.  So it really isn’t out of the questions that they built it expecting an atomic strike from the communists.

  • waynorth1

    I heard through the “grapevine” that it was going to cost an additional 250,000 to get rid of the structure, above and below ground.  Private enterprise? Not buying that.  Bad for business.

  • Anonymous

    You are correct again.
    However, because of the constant shift, or deviation in the true magnetic north, and the movement of the “north pole” some airports have actually had to re-number their runways.
    Also, when sitting on a runway ready for take off, you may notice that the actual compass/gps heading on cockpit instruments may read 152 or 154 when the runway is numbered one five. If the heading were 156 or greater, the runway would be numbered one six and so on.
    Just a note, runways are usually built to coincide with the prevailing winds in a give area.
    Fort Lauderdale for example has three active runways, nine right, nine left/ two seven right, two seven left/ one three, three one. Simply put, the prevailing winds in SFL are east/southeast.

  • Anonymous

    Just an afterthought, for you and others who just don’t get it:

    http://www.flybangor.com upper left corner and tell me what the official web site of Bangor International Airport calls itself……BIA or BGR?

  • Anonymous

    Are you claiming that there was no heavy bomber traffic at Dow AFB?

  • Anonymous

    From 15 Feb 1960 thru 25 April 1968, the 4038 Strategic Wing was stationed at Dow consisting of 15 B-52G’s.
    I apologize for the remark to the contrary.

  • Anonymous

    From 15 Feb 1960 thru 25 April 1968, the 4038 Strategic Wing was stationed at Dow consisting of 15 B-52G’s.
    I apologize for the remark to the contrary.

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