Comments for: Alarmingly warm water in Gulf of Maine bringing changes

Posted Dec. 17, 2012, at 12:24 p.m.
Last modified Dec. 18, 2012, at 11:26 a.m.

Ed Monat, a seasonal tour boat operator and scallop fisherman from Bar Harbor, has seen a lot in his more than two decades of scuba diving below the waves of Frenchman Bay. He focuses on finding scallops during winter dives. In the summer, he takes tourists and an underwater video …

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  • Anonymous

    Wow.
    Another Chicken Little story. Unbelievable.

    • Anonymous

      Rocky: So you think this is BS or a Joke ???

      • Anonymous

        the extra few degree’s is a concern, but one we can do zero about, and have done little to nothing to cause.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, don’t you just hate it when pesky factual evidence gets in the way of your misguided beliefs.

      • Anonymous

        Funny but when we get a really cold winter you will say that one incident or even a short 10 year stretch does not contradict your fairy tale. You can’t have it both ways.

        • Anonymous

          Unlike the climate science deniers, those who follow the research do not confuse weather with climate.

          • Anonymous

            And yet, here you are, doing it.

    • Anonymous

      I know that people like you have a hard time facing reality……..but this is from someone that actually dives into the water rather than a blathering couch potato on a computer. You conservatives are so far in denial, it’s comical……..at least it will continue to ensure your defeats in future elections for the foreseeable future.

      • Anonymous

        Really, what do you do? I see Diver ed every day he comes out, there when he is not. You have zero idea what you are talking about and are just regurgitating the talking points handed you , supported by glorified 6 O’clock weatherman who are hyping this anthropogenic nonsense
        to earn the ridiculous amount of funding they are swimming in,all the while
        ignoring everything we know about this planets climate history .

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Prove it wrong, Rocky…

      We’ll wait.

      • Anonymous

        You are not interest in proof, with real facts and such. But go ahead, believe that we were able to change the temp. of the Atlantic Ocean in such a short period of time. You think raising air temp is a feet, try raising that volume of water by 2 or 3 degree and blme it on car exhaust. Dont look at natural patterns, ignore all of climate history, discount the likelihood that the Gulg stream changes a bit every so often.
        Nope, must be coal fire electric plants.

        • Preston Nethercutt

          Well RockyG, it would seem to be that your delusional passion to deny what all intelligent people know to be the truth causes you to forget how to spell even the simplest words. You know, don’t you, that that is a sure sign of an impending head explosion. What a heavy burden it must be to be you.

          • Anonymous

            Voice to text fail/correction fail. But I will be more than happy to debate the issue, your welcome to bring your smugness along as a crutch.
            We’ll start with this. Modern temperature recording devices v.s those used in the 1800’s.
            I look forward to your superior intellect explaining this question and how it relates to the topic at hand.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          See, you didn’t even read… and you put WAY more into it than I ever said.
          Shows you’re another sad old slob… too lazy to do any research on your own.
          I never said anyone was causing anything… but to deny it’s happening is a sign of one sad old lazy man.

          • Anonymous

            See, , you didn’t even read… and you put WAY more into it than I ever said………….I never said it wasnt happening, I contend that is a normal cycle, that we have little to no control over. That nothing we do, or not do, would have much, if any affect on , for instance, the temperature of the Atlantic Ocean.
            This whole global warming thing is hype created to force changes in society, an exaggeration of partial science and half truths to forward an agenda.

    • Guest

      Denial seems to be in vogue.

      • Anonymous

        De nile is a river in Egypt.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, denial of all of the Earths climate history and a suspension of common sense , but I’m sure your a nice person otherwise.

    • Anonymous

      Amazing we know all this from just 200 years or so of keeping records.Kind of calling the football game from the first snap.

      • Anonymous

        Maybe you look forward to sudden death, but it doesn’t look at all appealing to me.To deny that changes are underway speaks loudly about your politics. Will AGW kill us? I don’t know, but it would behooves us to reduce ur footprint on this planet, farm sustainably and try to mitigate our impact. Years ago they crucified individuals for believing the earth was round…just sayin’.

        • Anonymous

          Few are denying that there are changes, only the reasoned and well informed doubt the extent on mans involvement in this process.

          • Anonymous

            “the reasoned and well informed”

            So what’s your excuse?

          • Anonymous

            Carrier pigeons and Obleisk Mercury thermometers vs Digital data logging thermometers and the internet. Yes, I’m sure your data comparison method meets scientific standards.

      • Anonymous

        We also know it from archaeological and geological evidence going back millions of years. Arctic research has revealed a lot about past climate activity, as have studies of more recent human civilizations in the last 20,000 years (before and after the last ice melt).

        • Anonymous

          Yet your beliefs on global warming discount, ignore . all this data.Odd how that works,no?.

  • Anonymous

    Lower heating oil cost for me.

    • Anonymous

      Not sure if your comment is serious or not, but it is important to note that climate change is about more than air temperature. For example, most of us eat food. Most food production is highly sensitive to climate. Changes in climate will undoubtedly lead to major problems for farmers and huge price spikes in food costs for the rest of us. And then there are the rises in sea level and the increased intensity of storms that already are being caused by rising global temperatures.

      • Anonymous

        It that was a problem, they would stop using corn for fuel.

        • Anonymous

          Not if the big agribusiness companies can make more money producing ethanol for SUVs than they can making food for people.

      • Anonymous

        The climate has been changing since the world began. Seas fell and Seas rose and they will fall again. In the meantime I get oceanside property in Central Maine and southerners trying to escape heat will pay dearly for that once their Bar Harbor properties are submerged.

      • Anonymous

        I live on the coast, so warmer water will likely mean more mild (moderated) winters. Summer AC costs will go up, though.

    • Preston Nethercutt

      Oh yes! That really is the most important thing to consider-your heating oil cost!!!! Your ignorance creates your arrogance, and your arrogance renders you a fool.

      • Anonymous

        My ignorance? I’m not the one trying to claim I can change the earth’s natural heating and cooling cycles. Even if you could, how do you know that by decreasing CO2 you aren’t subjecting us to another mini-ice age 1000 years from now. Some day your descendants will use your name as a curse word. A major screw up will be known as a Preston or a Nethercutt, while they huddle together trying to survive the great cold you brought upon them with your ignorant tampering. If you don’t understand how something works, leave it alone child.

        • pbmann

          Follow your own advice. If you don’t know about the subject, don’t comment on it.

          • Anonymous

            That isn’t what I said at all and I would more than willing to go round and round with you on this topic or any other. What I said was if you don’t understand how something works, then leave it alone. You people claim you know what makes the temperature go up and claim you can make it go down. Not one of you will swear to it though and not one of you can accurately forecast the weather, let alone the climate. Stop going on about things you know nothing about and stop messing with things when you don’t even know how they work.

  • Anonymous

    crazy…warm water coming up the florida gulf stream…I think we need to export more maine to florida, that would cool things off….

    • Downeasta

      Yup send them snow birds back sooner!

    • Anonymous

      It’s not the Gulf Stream, which bypasses the Gulf of Maine. It’s increased atmospheric temperatures.

      • Anonymous

        yes, beacause ‘science’ (i.e. our religion) tells us so…
        sounds more like the religous right every day

        • Preston Nethercutt

          You are from Texas. That alone disqualifies you from joining any intelligent discussion on any subject.

  • We understand that the average ocean temperature might have gone up 1 degree over the past 100 years — most of that in the past 30 years. One of the problems with getting people to understand the natural process of global warming is the newspaper stories that tend to slant things or sensationalize or exaggerate.

    If the Gulf of Maine got warmer by 2 degrees, perhaps the Gulf Stream shifted a whisker. Perhaps it moves in and out on a regular basis. Who but an expert would know?

    Anyone who wants to know more about global warming than most of their neighbors would do well to read Curt Stager’s book Deep Future.

    I wouldn’t consider publishing an article on global warming without having Professor Stager, or one of his colleagues, first check my premise and facts.

    The humble Farmer

    • G.W.Obama

      This same thing happened on “Gilligan’s Isle”..Gilligan was using the thermometer for fishing and putting it back in a different place every day.maybe thats whats happening here?

  • Anonymous

    Diver Ed is an Underwater Superhero.
    I for one will certainly pay attention to what this man observes and says. There are some scary changes afoot…

    • Anonymous

      You must mean “underfoot”.. The several hundred trillion tons of fluid super-heated molten rock at 1900 degress sitting 35 miles below the earth’s crust and which a major glob is on the move driving the magnetic north pole towards Siberia at a rate of 40 miles per year and 1100 miles over the last century.

      • pbmann

        Wow,just wow.

        What a lack of scientific knowledge in this post. The magnetic North Pole has zero effect on weather and is constantly moving and flips polarity on average every 250,000 years.

        • Anonymous

          LOL. if the poles flip we will most certainly be in for some severe weather. But, you make me laugh so continue on.

          • pbmann

            Magnetic Poles not actual true poles.

            Do a little research on the flipping of the magnetic polarity. You won;t sound so foolish.

          • Anonymous

            We’re not talking here about your obsession with magnetic pole flipping .. we’re taking issue with the incessant grant solicitors fabricating with “we’re all going to die” scare tactics to secure funding for another year of living large and scoring babes.

          • Anonymous

            I know all about the “magnetic” pole deviations, Pole Shift & Pole Reversal ,I have since the late 80’s . We could talk about magnetic changes in the planet’s core and /or the likely hood of sudden magnetic pole reversal, but if you would rather fancy your self as the sole keeper of this knowledge, than carry on.

          • Anonymous

            The earth’s magnetic properties are fascinating topic, but I will leave that to the experts. All I’m saying is that the BDN and UMS should cease and desist publishing these fabricated global warming scare tactics for the purpose of scaring the B’jesus out of soccer mom types and children in order to keep their grant money flowing. Their corrupt behavior is black mark on legitimate science and compromises the general public’s trust in those conducting real science.

          • Anonymous

            See, that was easy. I agree 100%.

        • Anonymous

          Au Contraire PB. Uncomprehensible massive quantities of frothing boiling super-heated molten metal flowing 35 miles below the surface has magnitudes more influence on weather by convection alone than a few co2 molecules hovering 5-9 miles above the surface. But the main point is the electrostatic flux fields of the protective atmospheric shield that filters incoming radiation (heat) and is mangled by the magnetic properties of the poles. The very heavy CO2 molecules that you speak of didn’t go from BBQ’s or SUV drifting upwards.. most probably it accumulated by the 4 to 10 THOUSAND airliners in the air at any given time each burning 1000 galllons of kerocene per hour in that exact airspace. So, if your looking for scapegoats.. do the math and shut down the airlines.

          • pbmann

            Using big words just masks the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.

    • Anonymous

      Too many gum wrappers. Some people can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe .. others forget to surface before their diving tank runs dry too many times. Just more silly talk from the grant seekers.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t mention “Global Warming”…

  • Anonymous

    Wait until the oceans become too acidic to support marine life such as lobsters, clams, and fish. Parts of the Pacific Northwest have seen their oyster industry disappear. Acidification results from CO2 absorption by the sea.
    Only remedy currently known is to reduce CO2 emissions. Good luck with that, gentlemen, given the political condition we’ve subjected ourselves to.

  • Anonymous

    Al flying all around the country in his huge jet.Driving around in his huge SUV. Making millions with the carbon foot print of a city is Telling the masses to reduce fossil fuels ,drive a Yugo and also stop eating.Those are the facts! Global warming is Al Gores money pit.

    • Anonymous

      While you and other deniers are stuck on Al Gore, the rest of us are paying attention to climate scientists. The vast majority of them present research and facts which back up the idea that global warming due to human activity is real.

      • Anonymous

        Gee, what’s funny is Nova Scotia is farther north than Maine but has warmer water. Go figure. Also we’ve been coming out of an ice age for thousands of years now. But this can’t be a normal cycle.

        • Anonymous

          “We’ve been coming out of an ice age for thousands of years now…” yet you do not see the difference between change in average temperature over thousands of years and change over 40-50 years?

        • pbmann

          Nova Scotia is warmer because of an offshoot from the Gulf Stream current. Maine is cooler because of the effect of the Labrador Current coming from Greenland.

          Yes. climate is always changing but NOT a the speed of teh current change in climate. That is the issue.

      • Anonymous

        no such thing as a climate scientist. They are bought and paid for by the Algorians.. They will publish what the money tells them to.

        • pbmann

          Unlike oil company scientist who publish the truth.

      • Anonymous

        The vast majority of them are glorified 6 O’clock weatherman hyping this anthropogenic nonsense to ridiculous amount of funding they are swimming in,all the while ignoring everything we know about this planets climate history .

        • Anonymous

          The vast majority are scientists with real degrees (not honorary) who have published peer reviewed studies. 97% of the climate scientists in the National Academy of Scientists agree with the conclusions. The Koch brothers funded a study (The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature study) in an attempt to refute climate science conclusions and found that in fact the conclusions were conservative in regards to the temperature change.
          So you can keep believing the deniers if you like looking and sounding like a fool.

          • Anonymous

            LOL, and do these scientist say that the temp would not be changing if not for the Co2 we ’caused” LOL, no they are not.No they can not say this. Their models are flawed, even they recognize that they have to manipulate the findings to achieve the results they report. The Climate is changing, will no matter what we do or don’t do, I know this is to forward an effort to make us as responsible as possible with our Stewardship duties, but it’s hyped to that end. Go sling your hype elsewhere.

          • Anonymous

            Obviously you do not understand what they are talking about. No one denies climate changes over time. The issue is that it has been changing much more rapidly since the beginning of the industrial revolution in the early 1800s, and the increase has been especially significant since around 1900, and the rate of increase continues to speed up. You can continue to stick your head in the sand. After all most of us living now will not suffer the real consequences as we will all be dead in 50 or so years. You can continue ignoring all of the results of research. It will not change the outcome, and you no doubt are finding yourself in the quickly shrinking minority.
            Just take a look at the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature study, financed by the biggest climate science deniers in the country, the Koch brothers.

          • Anonymous

            Koch derangement syndrome is curable, recognizing the illness is the first step.

          • Anonymous

            I will be interested to hear how you rationalize your views and also discuss the accuracy of temperature readings and devices in the 1800’s, how the standardization of these devices in the late 1900’s and faulty practices add to this alleged “rapid” change in our environmental observations.
            In short; junk in , junk out. .

          • Anonymous

            Indeed. I was going to bring this accuracy/precision measurement issue here earlier.. but I thought it was beyond the capacity of others here to appreciate the point. Clearly, the obvious should be acknowledge by even the most passive of observers among us that No reliable empirical evidence has manifested itself to demonstrate ANY global warming since 2003. None. The extent of the sea-ice in Antarctica is at record levels and No.. giant chunks of ice didn’t break off and flood the pacific basin islands as the Tipper and Zipper Gore’s forcasted. It will take years and maybe decades to undo the mind damage that these two foisted on our children with their scheme to extract oodles and oodles of baled money from those that are easily allured by skilled con-artists.

    • Preston Nethercutt

      Your Al Gore drum is about to break, you’ve been pounding it so hard for so long.

  • Anonymous

    Who believes in this science crap anyway! The earth is flat and the universe is full of invisible men.

    • G.W.Obama

      And pit bulls are the friendliest pets and guns dont kill..O,and wrestling is real..

      • When will people learn guns dont kill people, people kill people. Pit Bulls can be a friendly pet. But wrestling is still fake.

  • Anonymous

    Whole story is fictious..

    • Anonymous

      “You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts.” Clearly your acquaintance with facts is non-existent.

    • Anonymous

      What is a fictious?

      If you are saying that the story is completely made up, I can assure you Ed Monat is a real person, I’ve met him!

  • Anonymous

    Bill, could you cite some data on the increases in extreme storms or increasingly violent storms that you reference? Are you aware that we are in a distinct lull in both cyclone energy and tornado frequency?

  • Bertha Gruntz

    I hate to disappoint so many Conservative haters, but I am a Conservative and I believe man is contributing to and exacerbating what may be a normal cycle of global warming. As far as the Gulf of Maine warming, it is not difficult to imagine huge amounts of Greenland ice melting and disrupting the Labrador current which brings cold water into the Gulf of Maine. Fresh water from the melting ice is less dense than sea water and doesn’t sink to the bottom beneath warmer seawater coming up with the gulf current. If this is happening and the Labrador current is losing “strength”, this would allow more warm water into the Gulf of Maine. The drop in salinity reported in this story supports this. The volume of cold fresh water is not powering the current but is entering the Gulf of Maine slowly, and closer to the surface.

    The ocean absorbs huge amounts of CO2, a greenhouse gas. Ocean acidification is a result of this. The alarming increase in this acidification can be attributed to 1 or 2 things; a massive outbreak of erupting volcanoes and mankind’s contribution to the world’s CO2. Has anyone heard of anything more than a ‘normal’ amount of active volcanoes lately?

    It’s possible that great numbers of Conservatives do not believe in human-caused global warming, but I suggest that equal numbers of non-conservatives may blindly accept it. I further recommend that we all start paying attention to the science and less attention to our political obsessions. I think both sides in this issue need to put their ridiculous and petty differences aside and address the issue at hand. There’s a lot at stake. We cannot afford to get this wrong.

    And once again, I am a Conservative.

    • Anonymous

      Thanks, Bertha. There are times when pressing issues we ALL face should bring us together to find solutions. This is one of those times… It is perhaps THE time when we MUST do this… It is that serious. Your comment is much appreciated.

  • BDN Ombudsman

    What kind of carbon footprint does a tour boat operation leave? Probably not as much as Al Gore’s jet, but I am sure it is more than most people leave – but we need to cut our emissions?

    Warmer water is exciting! Just think about how many more tourists we could get if our beaches were actually enjoyable? And think about the possibilities for new wildlife to our area. This is good news!

  • FELT

    Nothing new here…from an identical article in the March BDN:

    “Gulf of Maine water temperatures have been rising gradually since at least the 1870s, with ups and downs along the way. But the increase has been pronounced in the past decade or so, in the general range of 2 to 5 degrees depending on the ocean depth, Runge said.

    The temperature rise in recent years is similar to the 1950s, when the Gulf of Maine warmed up rapidly before falling later, Runge said Thursday in a phone interview from Spain, where he was attending a marine science meeting….http://bangordailynews.com/2012/03/29/news/state/gulf-of-maine-ocean-temperatures-above-normal/

  • Anonymous

    In the time period between 1991 and 2012 there were 13950 peer reviewed articles detailing the many strands of investigation into global warming and climate change. In this same period there were 24 peer reviewed articles published in the very same scientific journals denying outright global warming. There is NO debate in the scientific community about global warming and the fact that humans are contributing to it. NO debate. The ONLY debate in the scientific community is in the details, not that it is happening. The “debate” in the public realm is the result of people like the Koch brothers or the Exxon corp spreading deception and confusion through the mainstreamm media. The science is not under debate.

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