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  • Anonymous

    “Do it for the kids”??? How about teaching kids about right and wrong, moral and immoral, natural and unnatural, and the consequences of choices. 

    • Anonymous

      What are the consequences of being born gay?

      I know – a lifetime of persecution by ignorant bigots who claim THEY own right and wrong, moral and immoral, natural and unnatural, and the consequences of choices. 

      Yessah on 1

    • Anonymous

      Do you honestly believe that people choose to be gay??? Or is it possible that God is punishing these people for past sins in previous lives???

      • Anonymous

        If people are truly born gay, then God is allowing them to bear that as a cross.  We all have crosses to bear.  But the cross we bear is to be had for maybe 1 to 95 years.  After we’re done bearing our earthly cross, then eternity begins.  Where we spend eternity will depend a lot on how we carried our crosses.  Do we carry them willingly, accepting the hand that we have been dealt, and trying to obey God in spite of our suffering?  Or do we act with spite against God, and with anger, because we have to have this cross?  God wants us to be patient in our sufferings, and to lean on him.  He will never allow us to have more suffering than we can bear, if only we turn our lives over to him.  Most of us will live 70-80 years or so.  That’s not even a blip compared to eternity.  We need to put ourselves in God’s hands, suffer patiently, and be hopeful of a big eternal jackpot that will come after we die.

        Disclaimer:  I have been deathly ill for 23 years, and I have the potential to live another 40 years or more.  I know what it’s like to suffer.  And I know that when I was single, celibate, and healthy, life was way easier than it has been for the past 23 years, while I have been married and able to have sex.  Sex is wonderful, but it’s not worth selling your soul for.

        • Anonymous

          If we are all made by your God, the proof is in, we are ALL born with our sexual orientation intact.  Therefore, your God made us LGBT Americans, and it’s painfully obvious that YOU are trying to MESS with His eternal plan.  It seems to me that what whispers these things in your head is coming from the opposite direction.  You do always portray YOUR God as being hateful and hurtful.

          • Anonymous

            Are you talking about MY God, the one who wishes that all of us whom he created could spend an eternity with him that is WAY better than anything we can have on earth?  Yeah, it must be THAT hateful and hurtful God.  Do you expect him to reward us when we spend our lives being hateful and hurtful toward him?  God is a God of love, but he is also a God of justice.  He’s not going to force those who spend their lives hating him to spend an eternity with him.

          • Anonymous

            Odin said no more frost giants. God claimed to end all wickedness, I do not see any frost gaints.

          • Anonymous

            You sound like Loki, the Norse god of trickery!

          • Anonymous

            Ah, but Christ said we should be trying create the eternity here on Earth.  Nice job hindering that.

        • Anonymous

          You know nothing about the suffering of gay and lesbian people whose sexual orientation, contrary to your research from right-wing Catholics themselves indifferent toward pedophile priests, is about as serious as opposition to evolution. What right have and your fellow zealots to deprive them of having the same civil rights as straight married couples? I’m not Catholic, and I bitterly resent your desire to impose your authoritarian theocracy upon America. Why not move to  a country in which the Catholic Church is the established faith? In a few decades, it appears, the majority of young(er) Americans like my children will not embrace your hatred of gays and lesbians. More and more they simply don’t care for your version of the Inquisition. 

          • Anonymous

            I dislike the fact that liberals have divided society and have turned many millions of people away from God, and maybe even away from heaven.  You may have your resentments, but religious people were here in far greater numbers before those of you who oppose God came to sweep so many souls away from him.  I have suffered terribly for a long time.  It just bothers the heck out of me that hell is infinitely worse than what I’ve been through, yet so many people promote sin and encourage others to follow on a path to hell.  I don’t wish hell for anybody, after what I’ve been through.  I want to see as many people as possible be saved from it, including you.  If you could know and love God, your life would be a lot more peaceful and less stressful.

          • Anonymous

            People of god have been getting people away from god.

          • Anonymous

            So, who’s opposed to God?  Not me.  Not the majority of Christians.

          • Anonymous

             i would gladly face the fires of hell than bend my knee to a god that would send good people to an eternity of suffering for the simple crime of not worshiping him/her/it, or loving another soul who happens to share the same genitals.  if your fundamentalist beliefs are what allow you to face the day with a strong heart, then keep them, but don’t make others suffer for them.  sometimes trying to save souls will damn your own.

          • Anonymous

            My heaven is the natural world here on Earth.  It’s the air I breathe and the water I drink.  And I fear for my heaven, as it is being trashed by people who are waiting to die and go to ‘heaven’.

        • Anonymous

          Babies are not born “with a cross to bear”.  Keep it in your church and keep it away from those of us who reject your religion.

      • Anonymous
        • Anonymous

          In addition to the scientific evidence, several US State High Courts have read the science and declared that sexual orientation, both gay and non-gay, is similarly immutable to race and is similarly unacceptable an excuse for unconstitutional discrimination.

          Once again, the opinions of the justices COUNT, while the nasty opinion of anti-gays that LGBT Americans “choose” is meaningless. 

        • Anonymous

          None of these provide conclusive scientific evidence of a gay gene. Every gay gene study has been debunked, and at present, even the gay community has given up the search because they know the gay gene doesn’t exist. Instead, they rely on the APA for their “opinion”. 

          • Anonymous

            Honestly EJ, you know that it would be impossible for you to change your stripes at this late stage. Happy trolling;)

          • Anonymous

            There are morals and beliefs that should never change. And I will remain on the side of morality and the teachings of the Bible until the day I die.

          • Anonymous

            I honor and respect your right to remain on that side.  But please understand that my secular government won’t be operating by those guidelines.

          • Anonymous

            No you do not. Do you brlieve is slavery? Do you think its moral for a women to marry her rapist? These are all things moral is the bible. BOOM ROASTED!

          • Anonymous

            EJ is a sometimes religionist.  He accepts only that much of the Bible as he finds agreeable with his prejudices.

          • Anonymous

            Ah, but you get to decide which parts of the book you actually want to adhere to, how convenient.

          • Anonymous

             Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

          • Anonymous

            Said the slave owner in the 1800’s and the people against interracial marriage in the 1960’s…

          • Cecil Gray

            Then stone Newt to death.

          • Anonymous

            Why do you keep up this lie? That’s not how genes work, There would never be a gay gene, just like there isn’t a blue eye gene. I find it so laughable that your standard is science on this. I want scientific proof that your interpretation of the Bible is correct then. In fact, I demand it otherwise I’m going to label your hypocrisy for what it is. 

          • Anonymous

            Google “Back to Genesis” and you’ll have more evidence than you can handle where science backs the truths of the Scriptures. Of course, since you’re an avowed atheistic progressive, no matter how much evidence is presented, you won’t believe it. Still, the truth is that science supports Creationism more than it does Evolution. And science does more to prove there is a supreme being somewhere in the mix than not.

          • Anonymous

            EJP, quit accusing me of the things you’re guilty of. You refuse to educate yourself on how genes work and you keep lying about it. Yet I’m the one that is ignoring facts? There is no such thing as a specific gene for this an that. There will never be a gay gene found, just as there is no blue eye gene. 

            Why does it matter that gay people are born that way anyway? Our rights aren’t contingent on that. If they were, we could take away your right to be a Christian as you weren’t born a Christian and you have no “Christian gene.” 

            I am not an “avowed atheistic progressive.” I’ve never avowed myself to you or anyone else about my religion. You’ve demonstrated yourself to be quite comfortable with lying and denigrating those you disagree with. That’s disgusting — have some shame.

          • Anonymous

            “the truth is that science supports Creationism more than it does Evolution” – Could you post a link, any link, to an unbiased, peer reviewed study that supports your claim?

          • Anonymous

            Hi EJ I’ve missed your non facts, I’ll tell you what we’ll send a few to you and you can pray away the gay for them.  LOL

          • Anonymous

            Ever thought that it might be more than one gene?  Or some other factor? An embryologist you obviously aren’t

          • Anonymous

            You do of course recognize that an unchangeable characteristic/trail like ex. height is not determined by 1 gene don’t you?  Why would orientation be determined by only one?  We are quite well aware that there is no “gay gene” …. you seem to be the one who continues to bring it up as if we do.  Do you think we have lower IQs than you and yours ?
            FYI – the human genome has been completed however they have just begun to look at how genes interact etc.  You really can stop with the “gay gene” stuff.

        • Anonymous

          Oh my god facts, the right can’t deal with facts, please try something else.  Oh forget it, they(the right) will not believe anything except their dreamed up fantasies and lies.

        • Anonymous

          deviant, dangerous sexual behavior will never be healthy and normal….better say the above a few milion more times so people can be ingrained with it….

          oh, I gotta go…I’m teaching my kids about healthy, pro-society, age-appropriate behaviors that benefit all people………..selfish, self-injuring, low self esteem and immoral behavior days are on thursdays…..

        • Anonymous

          We are created to be heterosexual….man, animals, all….
          There is no room for anything else in nature….but you can certainly create it for your own arguement…..

          • Anonymous

            Except for the thousands to animals that engage in homosexuality, but don’t let “facts” get in the way of your ignorance and stupidity…

    • Anonymous

      I guess you think that Ken Mehlman, campaign manager for Bush and former head of the Republican National Committee. who is openly gay and one of the leading national voices for allowing same-sex marriage is an immoral and unnatural person.  TeaPublicans are such pathetic hypocrites.  They screech all day about “freedom” and “keeping big government out of our lives” and then want big government telling people who to love, who to marry, what to read, what to watch, what or what not to smoke, what their healthcare decisions should be, what their reproductive decisions should be, what their religion should be, and on and on.  You talk about “immorality” but never saw a war you didn’t adore, never saw a polluter you didn’t adore, you people kiss the toenails of job-killing corporatists and never saw an offshored job you didn’t celebrate, and the ranks of the TeaPublicans are chock full of racists and bigots galore.  Jesus Christ would vomit if he could hear the utter sludge that spews out of the mouths of the TeaPublicans, let alone see their sickening anti-middle class anti-worker anti-woman anti-anything-but-them policies.
      The TeaPublicans needs to stop being HYPORCRITES and leave people alone.  Or, in other words, “keep big intrusive government out of our private lives.”  There.  Try practicing what you preach, for a change.

    • Anonymous

      Right on, EJ.  I recently read a study that showed that children raised by gay partners are far more likely to become gay adults as compared to the general population.  It was estimated that 30% of girls raised by gays grow up to be lesbians.  I don’t think that that high of a percentage were born that way.  Boys are less likely to become gay, but again, they do so in a lot higher percentage compared to boys raised by heterosexual pairs or single parents.

      • Anonymous

        Here is a REAL study:

        The bulk of evidence to date indicates that children raised by gay and lesbian parents are no more likely to become homosexual than children raised by heterosexuals. As one researcher put it, “If heterosexual parenting is insufficient to ensure that children will also be heterosexual, then there is no reason to conclude that children of homosexuals also will be gay”. 11
        Studies asking the children of gay fathers to express their sexual orientation showed the majority of children to be heterosexual, with the proportion of gay offspring similar to that of a random sample of the population. An assessment of more than 300 children born to gay or lesbian parents in 12 different samples shows no evidence of “significant disturbances of any kind in the development of sexual identity among these individuals”.”

        http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/f_gay/f_gayb.cfm

        • Anonymous

          Shall we assume that heis read a “study” at one of the anti-gay groups the SPLC calls “Hate Cults”?

          http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/the-hard-liners

          “Even as some well-known anti-gay groups like Focus on the Family
          moderate their views, a hard core of smaller groups, most of them
          religiously motivated, have continued to pump out demonizing propaganda aimed at homosexuals and other sexual minorities. These groups’ influence reaches far beyond what their size would suggest, because the “facts” they disseminate about homosexuality
          are often amplified by certain politicians, other groups and even news
          organizations. Of the 18 groups profiled below, the Southern Poverty Law
          Center (SPLC) will be listing 13 next year as hate groups, reflecting
          further research into their views; those are each marked with an
          asterisk. Generally, the SPLC’s listings of these groups is based on their propagation of known falsehoods
          — claims about LGBT people that have been thoroughly discredited by
          scientific authorities — and repeated, groundless name-calling. Viewing
          homosexuality as unbiblical does not qualify organizations for listing
          as hate groups.”

        • Anonymous

           Amazing how many of your links do not work so I cannot see your source of facts.

          • Anonymous

            The link works fine for me, must be your computer.

          • pbmann

            I was able to reference both of his sources,as well.

      • Anonymous

        What did your study say about the children of divorced parents? Since over 1/2 of “traditional” marriages end in divorce, I would think the holy rollers would benefit more by addressing the problem within their own ranks.

        • Anonymous

          oh, so homosexuals are ‘in thier own ranks”

    • Anonymous

      Ya, your god is sooo loving.  He creates folks who are ‘flawed’ in as much as they desire to love their own sex, and then damns them to the furthest pit of eternal hell because they live as he created them.  Ya, he seems to be sooo sweet.  Yessah, praise Jesus! Maybe he is creating gay folk to teach you straight men that it’s ok, in fact, necessary, to be who you are? Maybe you religious straight jacketers are the issue? EJ, could god be talking to you and trying to get your attenttion?

      • Anonymous

        God talks to christians all the time….certainly not like you describe…

        Who says ‘YES” on one people are nasty…..

        • Anonymous

          I’ve no idea what your response to me means.

    • Anonymous

      SHAME on you for trying to hurt the 9 MILLION American children of same gender American parents, Mr. Parsons.  Trying to hurt these children is immoral and unnatural of you.

      “Question: How Many Children Have Gay Parents in the US?

      According to the Child Welfare Information Gateway, between 8 and 10 million children are being raised in gay and lesbian families.”

      http://adoption.about.com/od/gaylesbian/f/gayparents.htm

      ” A 1995 National Health and Social Life Survey by E.O. Lauman found that up to nine million children in America have gay or lesbian parents (Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health, 2002). ”

      http://www.cwla.org/programs/culture/glbtqposition.htm

      Before some anti-gay tells that standard anti-gay LIE that same gender parents are somehow inferior to mixed-sex parents:

      “A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children’s optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes.”

      http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;109/2/341
       

      • Anonymous

        Since when is teaching children about right and wrong, moral and immoral, natural and unnatural, and the consequences of choice, hurting them? I think NOT teaching them hurts them. But, in a left wing progressive environment, it isn’t cool to teach the truth, especially if it doesn’t agree with the lies that the progressive live by. Can’t have little Johnny knowing the truth, now can we. He might try and think on his own and rebel.

        • Anonymous

          It’s YOUR truth, that being gay is immoral, it’s YOUR truth, that no one is born gay. Forget the fact that many gays all over the world have said they did not choose to be gay. Do you really think, they all are lying? Why would anyone choose something that makes them a pariah? Common sense would tell you they wouldn’t.

          • Anonymous

            alcoholics, drug abusers pedophiles, arsonists, theives, murderers….can they use that excuse too….why would THESE anti-socialists ‘choose something that makes them that same pariah”? Common sense would tell us they wouldn’t…but they did….or, did they?….maybe they TOO were born with the above afflictions……

          • Anonymous

            Glad to know you lack the basic reasoning skills to be able to differentiate between criminals and loving same sex couples.

          • Anonymous

            well, thats if you consider a homosexual relationship in the ‘loving same sex couple’ catagory…That is not how most people who are against same sex marriage describe a homosexual relationship…If you can be ‘born’ gay, then you can certainly be born with other leanings….just because the other listings above are of a criminal nature..remove the criminality and they are identical to what you are describing….being homosexual used to be a crime againt society and thus they were shunned and deemed outcasts……that stigma has been completely removed, because homosexuals are ‘born’ with this leaning and the 1% to 3% population with homosexual tendencies are now accepted……….we should next remove the stigma of of other leanings and also grant them ‘born this way status”…unless you think  being born homosexual is the only leaning that should be recognized….we hear it all the time…decriminalize pot, prostitution, low level drug offenses, larceny….these people are born to this tendancies and should be protected.

          • Anonymous

            So, because you are ignorant of how actual same sex relationships work, that means you get to take away our rights?  And if you aren’t smart enough to come up with a better justification for your stupidity than”hurr durr gays are like drug users durr hurr” then you aren’t worth anyone’s time.

          • Anonymous

             I’ve never heard anyone say that any of the above stated, can’t be married, have you?

        • Anonymous

          What you call moral is actually immoral. What you call right is actually wrong. What you call truth is actually a lie. 

          • Anonymous

            nailed it steve….

          • Anonymous

            Really?  You agree with Steve’s rebuttal to EJ?  After the way you replied to me?  Geez, make up your mind…

          • Anonymous

            Oh, you are absolutely correct…my (real) bad!!

        • Anonymous

          Homosexuality is part of nature.  Once you come to terms with that, the right vs wrong and moral vs immoral questions tend to get more logical answers.  But as long as you view the world through the narrow vision that religion allows, reality will be harder to put into focus.

          It’s rather funny that someone such as yourself, who lives in lockstep with teachings from an ancient book, would mock the “truth” that progressives espouse.

          “Progressive” refers to moving forward. One does that through learning and in many cases, throwing out old ideas that no longer apply in a modern world.

          As you put it, you might want to think on your own and rebel.

          • Anonymous

            like pedophilia….that arcane way of thinking needs to be tossed..its natural to love…and kids love to love…….and burglary, why can’t I have what my neighbor has…when I want it…its natural to want something….because I want it….and crimes against women, I mean men should be able to be gratified whenever, with whomever they like…its natural to want physical gratification…and isn’t it about time our elderly just move somewhere where we dont have to see them?…I mean, Look at the elephants…it is natural for them to just go somewhere and die without the rest of the herd to be….um…’burdened’ with them. Once you come to terms with these natural things, right vs wrong or moral vs immoral tend to get more logical…..i think you are confusing progressive with barbaric or anarchy. People who have your opinion are not progressive, they are anarchist, because they want what they want now…..and will get it in the chaos that follows with a society that gratifies itself FIRST…
            Let me guess, thats not what you meant…..I certainly would not put homosexuality into the above group, I just used those examples of a society that….’comes to terms’ as you said, with right and wrong…

            Hey, I think I just figured out why my bible is so important to everybody…not just believers….guess my vision is not the narrow one after all is it…..

          • Anonymous

            Try sticking to the topic at hand and get back to me.  And leave criminal behavior out of it.  And elephants, for that matter  :)

          • Anonymous

            Your reasoning to allow this type of sexual, unhealthy behavior fits right in to some of the other ‘wants’..whether they are criminal or not.
            ManLove follows the coat tails of homosexuality…if it didn’t, the Homosexual movement would have denounced it and run it into the underground where it usually is….Homosexuality is a ‘gateway behavior’ whether you like it or not…sorry I’m so narrow minded…

          • Anonymous

            Why are you so hung up on behavior?  Do you obsess about what straight people do in the privacy of their homes?  A lot of it gets pretty kinky.  There’s an entire industry that caters to adventurous sex. 

            Homosexuality is at first a natural state of being; an attraction to persons of the same gender.  That’s what the opposition chooses to ignore.  Instead, you take things down slippery slopes and what you think goes on behind closed doors.

            Sexuality aside, we’re just as average as the next person.  And like that next person, many of us desire to marry the one we love.  For us, it’s someone of the same gender.  And we can’t understand why others don’t want us to do that.  It makes no sense to us, and to an ever-growing segment of straight people as well.

            Don’t worry about being narrow-minded; you can fix that through understanding.  I, on the other hand, can’t fix being gay.  I just want to live my life like everyone else, without fear of prejudice because of my sexuality.

          • Anonymous

            1, Pedophilia is not about love, it’s about control and abuse.

            2, Burglary is about being too lazy to work for what you want, so you take it. again nothing to do with love.

            3, Crimes against women are done for the same reason as pedophilia, it’s about hurting and controlling women. it has nothing to do with love,

            What does SSM have to do with being old, I don’t get why you brought that up. I’m a married heterosexual woman. I have gay friends and family members, I know for a fact that gays don’t choose to be gay. I’m more afraid of people like you running things, and using foolish ideas to hurt people, who have done nothing other than being born gay.
            Being gay is not against the law. Standing up for some ones  civil rights, doesn’t make me immoral.

    • Anonymous

      I think that’s what he’s saying.

    • Anonymous

      Many people are doing exactly what you proposed, EJ.  And increasingly, they are doing so in support of marriage equality for same-sex couples.

      One of the most difficult things for kids to filter out these days is bigotry.  Sadly, that too often starts at home.

    • Cecil Gray

      And the consequences of bigotry.

      • Anonymous

        Anyone that disagrees with the left-wing mantra is labeled as a bigot. Anyone that disagrees with Obama is labeled a racist. Funny thing it that those on the left doing the labeling are the actual bigots and racists. Well, maybe not funny as much as it is sad.

        • Anonymous

          EJ, your side tends to ignore certain realities put forth by gay people and our supporters on the topic of homosexuality…especially when it comes to marriage.  Your words too often meet the dictionary definition of the word “bigot”.  Why do you get upset when we call you out on it?

    • Anonymous

      Over 2.4 million viewers have seen the youtube video “Preacher Phil Snider gives interesting gay rights speech” which is only 3 minutes long. It might be worth your time to watch it also, although I doubt it will change your attitude. It will help if you pay close attention to the words he uses.

  • Washington County

    I would never vote for King, because I feel he only cares about his own agenda. At least Dill is honest with her stance  on where she stands

    • Anonymous

      And she doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in you know where of winning.  Vote for King.  He can win.

    • Anonymous

      I am a registered democrat who will vote for King because a vote for Dill will elect Charlie Summers. That is how we ended up with the stooge we have at the Blaine house now. The single most important issue in this election in Maine and across the US is to get rid of the tea party members who have all failed to honor their pledge to the US Constitution.

      • Anonymous

        Hey, don’t be so hard on stooges!  Mo, Curly, and Larry each would have been infinitely better than LePage!  

      • Anonymous

        And the anti tea party ID 10T’s know and pay attention to the Constitution??? don’t be foolish.

        • Anonymous

          The US Constitution was written after long and sometimes heated discussions led to many compromises. Without various factions being willing to give and take on issues there would not have been any Constitution. The tea party toadies have stated they will not compromise with anyone who disagrees with them, to the point that they have even fought well respected republicans. Their undermining of the republican party led to the US nearly defaulting on our national debt last year. They have shown there and in other areas their total disregard of the Constitution, the Congress, and the American people.

          • Anonymous

            What kind of fool is a person that compromises with an entity that has absolutly no intention of following through with their side of a compromise?
            The Tea Party people know that the Democrat party has absolutly no intention of following through with ANY compromise that will cut government spending outside defense spending. So why compromise with them at all.
            This has happened many times.

          • Anonymous

            The statement that the democrats will not live up to their end of the bargain is an outright lie, as just the last couple of years’ agreements attest to.
            The democrats have offered a 10:1 ration of spending cuts over taxes, but the dogmatic tea party members of Congress would rather see this country default on its obligations and come to a complete standstill, regardless of the consequences to the American people. The attitude from the tea party of “my way or the highway” is un-American, to say the least.

          • Anonymous

            What BS the cuts ALWAYS are down the road and forgotten about but more taxes are now. Happens every time.

          • Anonymous

            nailed it Larry…

      • Anonymous

        pssstt….um….80% of maine voters voted for someone OTHER than a democrat. That is your base number to start with…..

  • Anonymous

    Hurting other people who you do not know and who have never done you any harm is immoral, but that is just exactly what anti-gays are doing when they attack loving, committed same gender American couples by calling us “immoral” or “unnatural.”  Just WHAT is “natural” about trying to hurt strangers who have never hurt YOU, Mr. Parsons?  What about the consequences of YOUR choice ti attempt to SUBVERT the United States Constitution’s guarantee of “Equal Protection Under the Law”?

  • Anonymous

    Dear Mr. Saint-elect,

    I happen to belong to a religious institution and am on the Board of Directors and participate in the choir. And my children went to rits eligious school through 10th grade. Your assumption that you have a monopoly on God–and in turn on salvation vs. damnation–is, of course, centuries old, and millions of non-Christians have been murdered by ultra-devout Christians in the name of their particular beliefs. Gays who seek marriage rights don’t undermine in any way the marriage status of straight folks, contrary to what Rick Santorum and other political primitives argue. I have many gay friends who deserve the same rights in a society that, thank God (no pun intended), isn’t governed by your self-righteous crowd.  Come election day in Maine, you may well want to move elsewhere. 

  • Anonymous

    Peter Rees, Christina Breen, Lucie Bauer:  good letters.

  • Anonymous

    So, once again the theme of” do it for the children” is brought up in all its convenience.  It is never right to do wrong to do right–someone once said.
    NO on Question 1 November 6.

    • Anonymous

      You should look in a mirror when you say that.

  • Anonymous

    Isn’t it ironic that the fringe religious right demands scientific evidence of a gay gene (like they even believe in science in the first place)? Can you imagine their response in demanding scientific evidence of their narrow-minded God? 

    If gays should have to prove that they were born that way, then I think the religious right should have to prove that their God is real. Otherwise they’re just engaging in a double standard and that’s hypocrisy. 

    • Anonymous

      Perfect logic!

  • Anonymous

    Peter Rees, Christina Breen and Lucie Bauer- Great letters

  • Anonymous

    Peter Rees: Your letter will be convincing to all those who see men and women as being only complementary with regard to their genitalia.

  • I’m reminded of a commentator on a Southern Baptist website who wrote, “I can’t reconcile how someone could feel he or she was born with strong homosexual feelings, love Christ and yet take on the limitations of what seem to me to be straightforward biblical teachings. That’s agonizing, and I don’t really understand it.”

    And this is the weird thing: “Straighforward biblical teachings” should at least be understandable to the average person. So often I hear it said, “OUR ways are not GOD’s ways,” as if God was some sort of inscrutable alien being.

    Consider The Golden Rule: We do unto others as we would have them do unto us. Put all the religious dogma and ritual aside, and this is what our laws boil down to. We don’t lie or bear false witness because we won’t want people to lie to us. We don’t steal from other people because we do not want people stealing from us. We don’t betray the trust of our spouses because we wouldn’t want them doing the same to us. Same goes for killing and a variety of other “bad” behaviors.

    And yet somehow there seems to be this sheepish adherence to a double standard for Gay and Straight people. If you’re Straight, it’s all so wonderful to be able to find a compatible person of the opposite sex, court and get engaged and marry and live happily ever after. But if you’re Gay, all of that is completely out of the question. Don’t even bother trying to find a compatible person. Lesbians and Gay men are precluded from any hope for romance or commitment. Gay people are simply told: “Gosh, sorry about that. You make us uncomfortable; acknowledging your existence means we might have to revise what we’ve been teaching all these years – meaning, Whoops! No infallible Magisterium or “literal” Bible … so you’ll just have to sacrifice your life and any hope of finding somebody to love. Tough luck, kid. God said it, I don’t necessarily understand it, but there it is.”

    I wish more social conservatives and Catholics would at least TRY to wrap their minds around why this makes so little sense to Gay people, and why constant exposure to this sort of disdain is exactly WHY so many Gay young people end up taking their own lives.

  • Anonymous

    I think it’s time for us conservatives to stop fighting the inevitable, gay marriage is here to stay and in the next decade or two every state will have recognized it.  That does not mean you have to find that behavior acceptable in your own life, we are all private citizens and can keep our own beliefs.  As a christian I would never accept it in my church, that would be revisionism and completely unacceptable.  The government cannot continue to not allow gay marriage, we tried civil unions, but that just didn’t work.  The word marriage was considered religious by many but it is not.  Marriage is a government agreement between two people, that’s it.
    Over 3% are LGBT in the U.S., it’s a condition people are born with and we have had so much exposure from hollywood it seems normal.  People like Ellen are regulars on our TV, if you don’t know Ellen she is a comedian who dresses like and tries to look like a good looking high school boy with a model like wife.  This behavior is hard for people to get use to because we don’t understand it. 
    Many of these people are conservative and belong in the republican party. To keep the party main stream we need to adapt.

  • Anonymous

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/judge-orders-bb-owners-to-pay-gays-for-hurt-feelings/

    I am sorry to have mistaken that the homosexual movement only wants to level the playing field….

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